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Aug. 26, 1999 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Philip Hoag - Doomsday

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	Good morning, everybody.
	We're about to go to Philip Hogue.
	Philip Hogue has written a book called No Such Thing as Doomsday.
	Subtitle, I guess, ought to be How to Prepare for Y2K, Earth Changes, War, Terrorism, and Other Threats.
	Doomsday, perhaps not.
	But some problems and bumps in the road ahead, oh yes!
	We'll talk to Philip Hogue about that.
	I'll tell you more about him in a moment.
	All right.
	Now comes...
	I've read too many legal statements.
	Now comes Philip Hogue.
	He is the author of the recently published book, No Such Thing As Doomsday.
	How to Prepare for Y2K, Earth Changes, War, Terrorism, and Other Threats.
	Now, Philip's message is not doom and gloom, but rather practical, experienced how-to information.
	His book, No Such Thing as Doomed Day, shows people how to turn their concern into constructive action.
	Some people worry, others prepare.
	Philip does that.
	He lives in the state of Montana with his wife Arlene and five children.
	They've been very productive.
	Over the past ten years, Philip has been involved in the design, organization, and construction of numerous large underground shelter projects.
	Phillip is one of a few civilians in the U.S.
	with experience in the areas of shelter life, support systems, including power generation, air filtration, and so forth.
	Phillip is involved in emergency services.
	He runs the local volunteer ambulance service with an associate who started the local volunteer fire department.
	So you see, he's a doer.
	Philip gives lectures, gives radio interviews on general preparedness, preparing for Y2K civil defense, dealing with the natural and man-made disasters.
	I'm not sure which we have more of these days, natural or man-made disasters.
	He is a featured speaker at the preparedness shows, has written articles, has appeared in the American Survival Guide, Preparedness Journal, does numerous national radio talk interviews like this one, consulting in the area of shelter and system design.
	In order to help people in their preparation for survival, Phillip also has an affiliate company, Yellowstone River Trading.
	It makes available preparedness supplies and equipment, including long-term storage, food, diesel generators, deep cycle batteries, food, grain mills, radios, water filters, and so forth.
	Here is Phillip Hogue.
	Phillip, welcome to the program.
	Well, it's always a pleasure to be on your show, Art.
	It's good to have you back.
	No such thing as doomsday.
	At least for those that are prepared.
	Maybe that ought to be the subtitle.
	In other words, if you don't make it through a particular situation, it has become your own personal doomsday, whatever else has happened around the world, right?
	Well, I think as long as we don't let ourselves go into a state of denial, I think if we We do everything that we can do in terms of being alert, in terms of being responsible for ourselves and our family.
	I think that I always believe that life brings to us everything we need to do what we need to do.
	Well, see, I'll take the opposite tack here a little bit.
	I think most of the country, save a lot of my listeners, Phillip, go through all of their life in denial.
	Well, I would tend to agree that there is a general tendency among the American public to be wrapped up in what I would call delusion and illusion.
	I think that we are a Hollywood society and our illusions about the invulnerability of
	our lifestyle relate to what we see on the movie screen.
	You know the good guys always win, the bad guys, the U.S.
	always kicks butt on the bad guys.
	I remember, you know the movie Independence Day was a prime example of it.
	If you watch the first half of that movie, there's no way in hell Earth could have won.
	I mean, they were going to wipe us out absolutely, and we had sort of a heroic, wonderful ending to it that in real life I would not expect.
	Now, I'm not saying there's going to be an alien invasion, but if there were, you know, the first half of that movie should have ended with the end of everything.
	But instead, you know, we have this fantastic ending at Area 51 and people flying up in this captured saucer to destroy the mothership.
	Well, in real life, it probably would not have worked out that way, the way I saw the forces arrayed and with the aliens intent, the way it was.
	Did you see that movie?
	Yes, I did.
	I thought it was really entertaining.
	I liked the marine fighter pilot, best of all.
	I know, but that's the part that I considered to be unrealistic.
	Oh, no question about it!
	In other words, all they cared about was killing us.
	And if they'd really had that kind of force, and that's all they cared about, that's what they would have done.
	They would have killed us.
	But, you know, it's a Hollywood movie, so let's leave Hollywood, because real life ain't Hollywood, folks.
	Philip, the first thing I want to ask you about is, I mean, here comes September.
	We're just about To September.
	And Y2K is getting pretty close now.
	Especially 9-9-99.
	Yeah, what do you know about 9-9-99?
	Well, it's purported to be the 9-9-9-9 is the computer shutdown code.
	And, you know, there are a lot of rumors flying around, including rumors about people having gone into print shops and seeing Military officials in there printing coupon cards for martial law and, you know, rationing.
	Really?
	Like I say, I'm not saying this happened.
	I'm saying there are rumors going around.
	Well, why would they need to go, though, to civilian print shops to do that?
	I mean, the government, God knows, if they have anything, they have presses.
	Budget cuts, of course.
	Now I can see that occurring at a local preparedness level, certainly.
	Right, I don't know.
	I think that Y2K is an interesting subject.
	Again, I don't profess to be a crystal ball reader, but I think that we can look at what's going on around us, we can look at the trends of history and politics in this country, and we can kind of project into the future and get a relative feeling
	as to what potentially we could be having to deal with.
	Well, I know that you know a lot about bunkers and shelters and that sort of thing,
	and there's more than just a little bit of rumor out there right now, Phillip, about Y2K bunkers.
	Now, they quickly changed that to Control Center, but the news stories first came out as bunkers in Los Angeles, in Washington, D.C., in major urban areas, and they called them bunkers.
	Now, I thought that was a little bit interesting, not to say that anything is going to happen, but why would they be spending millions of dollars on these underground, whatever you want to call them, if nothing is ahead?
	Well, that's a good point, and we'll talk a little more about the Russians and why the Russians are spending such extravagant amounts of money when they're bankrupt on their programs.
	It's kind of an interesting parallel.
	But getting to that, if we look at the national FEMA command post, which is Mount Weather, Most people know nothing about Mount Weather, and it's only recently that in the last couple of years that articles have kind of squeaked through about its existence.
	I don't know anything about it.
	What is Mount Weather?
	Well, Mount Weather is in Virginia, and it's a facility with a capacity purported to be about 250, which includes a facility for the Postal Service and also, quote, the Federal Reserve.
	And there are representatives there who stand in and would replace every member of Congress, excuse me, every member of the President's Cabinet in the event that they got deceased due to a nuclear attack on the United States.
	Assuming something awful like that happened, do you think they'd get Alan Greenspan there first or the President?
	Well, the point is it's what they call continuity of government.
	I understand.
	Let me ask you another way, then.
	With regard to the continuity of government, would the importance of Alan Greenspan be greater than that of the President getting to the bunker for a year?
	Well, I guess it's a question of who we believe really is running the show.
	I guess that's what I was really asking.
	You don't have to answer these, I'm sorry.
	I'm just in an interesting mood.
	But nonetheless, That's the National FEMA Command Post, and they're always in this facility.
	It's always staffed, and ideally, the President and the Cabinet would be whisked away by helicopter in the event of any national crisis, and they would try and get them in there.
	Do we know what's in there?
	It's just a National Communication Command Post in a heart underneath a granite mountain, and it hubs to all these other bunkers and command posts around the country.
	I got inside the Denver Command Post one time, which was kind of interesting.
	Oh, really?
	And what did you observe?
	Well, a friend of mine and I, we went down there, and you walk up and they've got a mile square section in Denver.
	They have a postal facility that looks like a National Guard facility.
	But you drive into this little turnaround through the chain link fence and you come
	up to a glass doorway that goes into the hillside.
	It goes right into a hill.
	Right.
	And so let me guess, Philip Ho goes up and bangs on the door, right?
	Almost.
	It's pretty classic.
	Anyhow, we were scoping the place out and they had these big generator exhaust things
	coming out of the ground and transmitter towers and what not.
	We're saying, oh, this is interesting.
	Boy, they could have done it a little better this way and what not.
	And so we go up to the door and we go to go in and it's got a push button lock on it,
	you know?
	And we say, well, shucks.
	And then this guy walks up and he pushes the button.
	So we shrug our shoulders and we just follow him in.
	So in other words, there is no security other than pushing... Well, wait, wait.
	So we walk down these stairs into this large lobby.
	And the reason they've got this large lobby is because there's these huge glass doors.
	Blast doors.
	Blast doors.
	I see.
	Blast doors, yes.
	And you've got to have a large lobby so they can open and close, all right?
	Once you get through the blast doors, you come to a control center with bulletproof glass.
	Wait a minute, Philip.
	Now, I've really got to get this straight in my mind.
	You just walked in, a guy pushes a button, he walks in, the door is still open, so you walk in behind him, and nobody says, excuse me, sir.
	Or anything else?
	Well, wait a minute.
	I'll give you the rest of the story here.
	So we go up to this control center and we say, there's this guy in there and he's balding and he's got these real thick glasses and he's wearing a guard uniform, you know, and he's obviously on the verge of retirement and he's got all of these security monitors up around him behind the bulletproof glass and we're looking at him and we can see these culvert tunnels running out with people walking up and down them and it's really neat.
	You know, you can see parts of the place that You know, through his camera monitors that we couldn't see otherwise.
	Gotcha.
	We're saying, well, hello, we would like some civil defense literature.
	and this guy looks at us and he starts going, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da,
	da, da, da, da, da, da, da, you know, how did you get in here?
	We just want some civil defense literature, and this guy's wetting his pants, you know,
	picking up the phone and calling different extensions, and he's trying to get somebody to come out and get rid of
	us.
	In the meantime, we're scoping this place out, looking at his, you know, his security monitors,
	and looking at the hinges on his blast door and scoping things out,
	and it took him about ten minutes to get somebody to come out,
	you know, in a nice suit and tie, and he brings us out an application for literature,
	and he said, take this back to your state FEMA director, and if he gives signs and authorization,
	then we can give you some literature.
	What the hell?
	That was...
	Since when do you fill out applications?
	Applications for literature.
	I mean there was some really interesting stuff listed on that.
	He had to list potential literature.
	But we had to have the state FEMA director authorize our access to literature.
	So we said thank you, and we went back out and we proceeded to take a closer look at their exhaust manifolds on there.
	They had some huge diesel generators in there.
	You could tell by the diameter.
	It was about a 10-inch diameter exhaust stack on it, you know?
	And, you know, people are looking at us like, what are you doing?
	What are you doing here, you know?
	And so finally we decided we'd better clear out.
	Well, Phillip, gee, what's next for you?
	One of our nuclear labs?
	Hold on.
	Stay right there.
	We're at the bottom of the hour.
	My guest is Philip Hogue.
	His book is no such thing as Doomsday.
	You know, it's true.
	As long as you look like you know what you're doing, you can go nearly anywhere.
	The guest is Phillip Hogue, the Forrest Gump of underground control centers.
	Listen, Phil, welcome back.
	OK, Art.
	Well, so have you ever done that before?
	Just it really is true, you know, if you kind of look like you know where you're going and you just, you know, maybe even have a clipboard.
	Clipboards are good to have with you.
	Nobody bothers you.
	It's a little worrisome.
	I mean, a lot of our nuclear secrets apparently just trotted out of some of our... Los Alamos.
	Los Alamos, yeah.
	And so I guess that is still true.
	But, gee, an underground blast door kind of thing and you just walk right in?
	Cool.
	Well, I think the point we were getting at when we were talking was that Well everybody else is on the surface here dancing and playing and life is going to go on forever and Hollywood is so great and we're so far isolated from all these disasters that happen everywhere in the world.
	The guys that are running the show, the guys that we're supposed to idolize are quietly building themselves shelters and making all sorts of contingencies for the worst case scenario.
	But yet everybody said the line that everything's fine, don't worry, you know, have confidence in us.
	You know, there seems to be some sort of conflict here.
	Well, there is.
	Listen to what we tell you, but don't watch what we're doing.
	Well, you know, at one level, you know, I want to, you know, give them credit.
	I mean, I can understand from an economic point of view that Everybody that's in any position in government is always paranoid about upsetting the economy.
	And you don't want to give investors the jitters.
	But nonetheless, I think that we need to be realistic.
	We need to look at what people in other parts of the world are doing.
	And we really need to go on a path which is going to ensure the viability of our children, our family.
	I know, but they're always talking about The continuation of government.
	The continuity of government?
	The continuity of government.
	Now, you know, personally, I care less about the continuity of government, frankly, than I do about the continuity of myself and my wife, my family.
	Selfish, but true.
	Well, I think that one of my personal philosophies is there's a lot of people that are into political activism There's a lot of people that think they're going to get out there and change the system.
	Yeah, I know.
	My personal view, and I'm not trying to push it on anybody, is we've really gone beyond that.
	I agree with you.
	I gave up on that some years ago.
	The system is too large for any individual to contemplate changing effectively or at all.
	And my solution that I've gone to is the most effective way that I can apply myself is to do something that will really affect change and that
	is to take care of my family, my friends and my relatives because that is the control of
	my resources that I can expend.
	I think it is important we kind of touch on the psychology here because some people will
	say, well you just have a bad attitude, you have a negative attitude.
	I hear that all the time about myself and I do.
	There are two extremes.
	When we see dark clouds on the horizon, in the distance, there are two typical responses.
	One is the chicken little syndrome, and that is where the sky is falling down and every new date that comes around the corner, the end is right there.
	It's where people get so emotionally imperiled and involved in potential disasters that they actually help bring them into manifestation.
	And they're crippled.
	I mean, they can't do anything.
	It's like, there's nothing I can do about it, so... They're frozen.
	And then you've got the other extreme, which is very common.
	It's probably the majority reaction in the United States, and it's the ostrich syndrome.
	It's like the problem is too big to deal with, So I'm going to stick my head in the sand.
	I'm going to try and deny it out of existence.
	And my personal feeling is we need to have a middle of the road approach.
	You know, we need to have what I call rational preparedness.
	We need to have open eyes.
	We need to be aware of what's going on.
	We need to dig a little deeper than what they spoon feed us with and sugarcoat us on the mainstream media.
	We need to figure out really what's going on.
	We need to evaluate threats, and we need to try and plot a course to maneuver around them in the future.
	Well, look at what just happened in Turkey.
	And by the way, I've got a report tonight that there was not one, but they have now discovered two separate, consecutive earthquakes that hit Turkey.
	And what do they have, 12,000 dead?
	Maybe as many as 40,000 are going to end up having died from these two earthquakes that occurred at the same time.
	And people somehow Well, part of the problem is that we have been isolated.
	They just get comfortable with the fact that that happens, oh, it happens in Turkey, or it happens in Japan,
	but that kind of thing doesn't really happen here.
	Well, part of the problem is that we have been isolated.
	We've had the blessing of the Atlantic and the Pacific Ocean, which has isolated us with a cushion between some
	of the major world wars.
	We haven't seen war on this soil since the civil war.
	Right.
	And, you know, people in Europe, people in Asia, they don't have the same mentality we have here.
	You know, they've seen war and death on their soil.
	And they have a much more conservative and personally defensive attitude.
	So I think that, you know, we need to Take on a more sober reality about life and the potentials for disaster in our own backyards here.
	Let's talk about the man-made variety first.
	Now, this is really serious stuff.
	I've been hearing more than rumors that Osama Bin Laden, the terrorist guy, may have some number of suitcase nuclear devices.
	And he's not exactly the first person you'd want to be in possession of those.
	Have you heard that and do you think that is true?
	Yes, I'll discuss that, but just to defend you and your reputation, so they don't say that you and I are a bunch of kooky fanatics.
	Can I read a portion of an article here really quick from Defense Secretary William S. Cohen?
	He gave it on July 26th of this year.
	You may indeed.
	It probably won't help my reputation, but go ahead.
	Well, I mean, this guy's a big guy on the block, and he's kind of saying what you're saying.
	Right.
	He says, in recent months, the eyes of the world have rightly focused on the threat of American interests and the values in the Balkans.
	At the same time, we cannot afford a national case of far-sightedness that precludes us from focusing on threats closer to home, such as the potential danger of chemical or biological attack on the United States, on the U.S.
	The United States now faces something of a superpower paradox.
	Our supremacy in the conventional arena is prompting adversaries to seek unconventional Uh, an unconventional means to strike our Achilles heel.
	At least 25 countries, including Iraq, North Korea, and so on, have developed the weapons of mass destruction.
	Then he goes on to say, Also looming is the chance that these terror weapons will find their way into the hands of individuals and independent groups, fanatical terrorists and religious zealots and so on, within our borders.
	Uh, and he goes on to say, What would the day look like about a biological agent would sink into the respiratory and nervous systems of the afflicted?
	The speed and scope of modern air travel would carry this highly contagious virus across the hemisphere in hours.
	Indeed, the invisible contagion would be neither geographically nor numerically limited, infecting unsuspecting thousands.
	With many, in turn, communicating the virus to whomever they touch.
	It goes on here real quickly.
	He does, he does make me pale by comparison.
	Who was that again, please?
	What's that?
	Who was that again, please?
	That was Secretary of Defense Cohen.
	William Cohen.
	Right, William Cohen.
	He says, the march of the contagion would accelerate astoundingly.
	With doctors offering little relief, hospitals would become warehouses for the dead and dying.
	A plague more monstrous than anything we have experienced could spread with all the irrevocability
	of ink on tissue paper.
	He goes on, welcome to the grave new world of terrorism, a world in which traditional notions of deterrence and counter-response no longer apply.
	But he goes on to say, he says, preparation is itself a deterrent.
	Now that was pretty neat to hear him say that.
	We've got to quote the federal government on this one.
	By minimizing the death and destruction would-be terrorists hope to spawn We reduce the likelihood that they will even try.
	So he's talking about the importance of preparedness.
	But we were talking about Bin Laden.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, I've been following for a couple of years the fact that the Soviets had quite a good inventory of what we call suitcase nukes.
	Right.
	Now, the United States has these, and they've had them around for quite a while.
	They're tactical nuclear devices.
	Uh, the Russian version apparently is the size of a golf club bag.
	Really?
	And, uh, they actually had these in Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis, the early generations of these devices.
	And, uh, the Spetsnaz Russian troops there were authorized in the event of a conflict.
	The whole plan is that they would take these devices and go behind military, uh, go behind the lines and try and destroy essential command and control
	facilities like for instance you could stick one of these in a van as someone
	suggested and you could park it outside the pentagon clear out of the place
	detonated then it would take out the pentagon and that portion of uh...
	washington dc you know so it's pretty serious stuff
	and uh... how how good is our intelligence with regard to his
	possession of these we need we need we need to really take a good close look at
	this and we need to qualify In other words, when we start talking about the Russians and deception and the art of war of Sun Tzu, a lot of this information we have in these estimates about bin Laden having nuclear weapons, it actually comes from the Russians.
	Which is where they would have come from.
	Now the Russians have been in Dire need of hard currency.
	Well... How much do you think you'd have to come up with to buy a suitcase nuke?
	Well, I'm sure you'd have to spend about ten million bucks.
	Ten million dollars.
	I mean, I haven't gone out shopping lately for one.
	No, but I mean, it's a reasonable question.
	We've got people financing people like bin Laden.
	I mean, Ben Lattin isn't the only kid on the block.
	No, no, no.
	He's just one of the nastier bullies.
	And ten million dollars, why?
	Ten million dollars is not a lot for a state like Iraq, for example, to come up with.
	That's, you know, well within their budgetary means.
	Well, there's reasonable evidence to show that Iran bought four weapons from the Soviet Union.
	Really?
	Great, just great.
	But, nonetheless, You know, we get this image of mass chaos over there in Russia and the Soviet Union, but I'll guarantee you, I find it a little uncredible to think that the Russians would allow nuclear weapons to float away in such a fashion unless they wanted it to go somewhere.
	See, if you understand the art of war and Sun Tzu, it's more effective to To initiate an attack through a surrogate, or at least to initiate an attack with a plausible denial.
	Of course.
	I mean, as you just pointed out, look, if a nuclear device were to be detonated near the Pentagon, kaboom.
	Well, would we know who did it?
	No.
	Could we respond?
	Could we punish whoever did it?
	No, because we wouldn't know who the hell did it.
	But if we left a paper trail a year before saying that Bin Laden did it, and it was some Arab extremist, and say we're white Russians anyhow and we can't stand the Arabs anyhow because they're a major threat to our territorial integrity, well, we get two birds with one stone.
	In other words, I don't know.
	I can't tell you whether or not Ben Laden has these purported 20 nuclear devices.
	It is possible that he has them, and it may be that he has them by blessing and intent.
	Nonetheless, there are a lot of third world countries which hate the United States for very good reasons.
	These, by the way, are mostly countries we have given great deals of money to.
	It really is true.
	But nonetheless, there are groups out there who have major beef with U.S.
	foreign policy, and they feel that they cannot fight By conventional means.
	And this is also an attitude which Red China has adopted.
	And we can talk about this later when we talk about Red China.
	No, of course not.
	That's suicidal.
	I mean, that's the mad theory.
	Mutual assured destruction.
	Or even worse, if they use one or two devices and it's a state that does it, then we obliterate them.
	There's no question about that.
	So you don't attack that way.
	You get a third party.
	And, gee, thank God, Philip, our borders are sealed tighter than a drum, and nobody with a suitcase could possibly get into the borders of this country, and that should make us all feel safe, right?
	Well, it's kind of interesting, because there's been a number of defectors, Stanislaus Leuven and various other people who have confirmed the existence of these suitcase nuclear devices.
	In fact, They actually said that they were privy to the fact that part of the plan was, in the event of war, that the Russians would enter the United States in the same way that... Everybody else does.
	In the same way everybody else does once they get here.
	Right, and they would come in in a small boat or they get deployed by a submarine or something, they come ashore, and they would deposit these things around strategic command and control facilities like our satellite uplinks for our intelligence.
	Oh, they just walk across the border.
	I mean, you could almost print on the side of a suitcase, suitcase nuke,
	and somebody would be waiting across the Rio Grande, and in all likelihood, he'd make it here just fine,
	and find a motel, and, you know.
	Listen, hold on, we're at the top of the hour, so we'll be right back.
	My guest is Philip Hoag.
	No such thing as doomsday is his book.
	I can see your line...
	You're wrong.
	The United States, and at least five other countries, do not expect to finish their Y2K,
	their year 2000 computer bugs until just weeks before the new year.
	A new international survey reports on Thursday.
	Two other countries, Slovakia and Bolivia, do not believe they'll make it until next year.
	And so forth and so on.
	So, we are one of five countries that either will not be ready in time or will be ready, if we're lucky, hmm, weeks before the deadline.
	And this is kind of interesting.
	This is from a police sergeant.
	Says, aren't I have just received information from the chief A reference to Y2K and our planned response to all potential problems.
	As of today, there is going to be no leave for any one of you during the New Year holiday weekend.
	All officers will be on duty during this time period, will be working 12-hour shifts, and the times will be announced as the time approaches.
	This is not open for negotiation.
	There will be no exceptions.
	And this comes from the Denver metropolitan area.
	One more little item that relates, in a way, to what Peter was talking about.
	Very interesting, too.
	WLS in Chicago, my affiliate in Chicago, the Monster LS on 890, mentioned apparently in their midnight news break that there is a meteorite That has now been found containing water.
	Oh, now let us think about that one.
	A meteorite containing water was recovered in Texas.
	This is the first time that water not of this earth has been recovered.
	Remember in high school when you used to look into pond water?
	And all the little crawly things under the microscope?
	Well, you can bet they're looking at that water now, and I... I wonder what's crawling.
	Would you like... That's a meteorologist for the National Weather Service, folks.
	And then this.
	And this will be of interest to Philip Hogue, I think.
	Associated Press.
	I read this to you the other night.
	Bankers are asking your local clergy To help reassure people their money's going to be safe when the year 2000 rolls about, the American Bankers Association is distributing a very folksy sample sermon to clergy, asking them to debunk fears that a Y2K meltdown would cripple the banking system.
	So, that's kind of interesting, Philip.
	The bankers are distributing this sample sermon that should be delivered in the churches to the people.
	Praise the Lord.
	Praise the Lord.
	Pass the helmet.
	And pass the fractional reserve banking.
	Look, let me at least get your best guess.
	I ask all my guests this because Y2K could be everything from nothing at all, and everybody going, oh man, what a total non-event, to a crippling event at the other end.
	What do you think it's going to be?
	Well, OK, I'll give you my best shot at it.
	All right.
	Good.
	Let's let's just step back and look at the last 20 years.
	And let me ask you, have you ever seen a bad situation, be it intentional or by accident, that we haven't seen some sort of capitalization whereby we see more and more power Well, that's kind of the tree I was barking up.
	Let's stand back and look at this.
	Let's just put yourself in this position.
	Oh, that has never happened?
	You mean like, for example, when some idiot goes with an assault rifle and kills a bunch
	of kids in a school yard and then we get gun control?
	You wouldn't be talking about that, would you?
	Well, that's kind of the tree I was barking up.
	And let's stand back and look at this.
	Let's just put yourself in this position.
	Of course, nobody believes that, everybody believes that all this stuff is just natural
	and that all the changes we're seeing in society are a matter of natural social evolution.
	But there are a few wackos out there that believe that there are really financial interests
	which control our political system and steer the trend of events.
	But nonetheless, just say hypothetically that you're one of these people, because I've thought about this.
	Now, if I really wanted to consolidate power and Set up a more dictatorial, authoritarian type structure that would be more to my suiting for a monopoly market.
	And I saw Y2K coming.
	I mean, it looks to me like a situation for a kid stealing candy.
	I mean, it's just so too good to be true.
	I mean, let's just take a situation.
	Let's say, for instance, We have problems in the major cities.
	This is very conceivable.
	If we just look at the food supply in the major cities, we've got about a three to five day food supply.
	Part of the reason, and it's not all bad, is that we've got major food distribution chains and they've got computerized inventory systems.
	These computerized inventory systems allow them to tell how much they're selling of any given item in a day.
	They can keep the cost of food down lower by only stocking, you know, one day's supply of food.
	Of course.
	You know, and they get deliveries every day.
	The downside of this problem is that if anything goes wrong, if they have a legitimate virus bug, or if you've got some high-level hackers out there in some highly financed facility that goes out there and starts sabotaging their computer systems, All of a sudden, we'll start getting disruptions of food deliveries into the major cities.
	Now, what's going to happen?
	I mean, and there's other things that could disrupt food deliveries to the major cities.
	Well, I think what would happen is a lot of people, you know, if it got to that point, a lot of people would try to leave the major cities.
	Don't you?
	Yes, and if you talk to any of the people in law enforcement, there also are programs about containing the exodus of people from cities.
	In major disaster type situations.
	And I might add, and a lot of people may or may not be aware of this, but a lot of small towns have contingency plans to prevent the influx of people from big cities.
	Do you know that?
	That's interesting.
	I happen to know that is true.
	Well, nonetheless, you know, it could be computer problems which could create a problem like this.
	It could be Disruption of our transportation system.
	The inavailability of fuel.
	It could be power shortages that could create the same problems that computer failure problems could cause.
	But nonetheless, if there were food shortages, what's going to happen in the major cities?
	Well... I mean, people aren't going to sit home and stay hungry.
	No.
	We kind of degrade to primal type nature.
	When things like that happen.
	But nonetheless, what would happen would, you would have disorder in the major cities and the governors would be screaming to the president.
	You've got to do something, comrade.
	What comrade?
	You need the National Guard!
	Well, the National Guard, actually, the governors could activate the National Guard in their own state, right?
	Correct.
	That's correct.
	But nonetheless, we need federal help here.
	Federal help, yes.
	And the president would come on national TV and he said, I don't really want to do this, but the governors are twisting my arm.
	I'm having to declare National martial law so that... Well, he wouldn't put it that way.
	He wouldn't say the governors are twisting my arm.
	He would say it is an executive level decision that I feel I must make for the health and welfare of those I serve, all of you.
	With the strong pressures that the governors, National Governors and Associates... And an added line about how he feels our pain.
	Right.
	But nonetheless, It's a dream come true for an opportunity to push aside the U.S.
	Constitution, not that it isn't already gone.
	If we look at what's been going on over the last two or three years with executive orders
	and the precedence of executive orders, it's just an opportunity for kids that want to
	steal candy and that's my major concern.
	I think Y2K in itself, if that's all we had to deal with, we could deal with it.
	I mean, look at what we did in World War II when we mobilized the country.
	You know, we can move mountains.
	Yeah, there might be problems, but I agree with you.
	There would be workarounds and maybe disruptions and blah blah blah, but we'd get through it.
	And, you know, it just smells a little bit to me like the dialectic process.
	I mean, You've got a problem, and you implement, you get a reaction, and you implement your solution.
	And what I see in this trend, you know, concerns me.
	Especially as we see a trend toward trying to disarm the American public, which is a major agenda of the United Nations.
	A lot of that going on now, yes.
	Wherever you see genocide in the history of humanity, it always follows a previous... Gun confiscation.
	Right, a gun confiscation program.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	The people that have been trampled all over the world, example after example after example, just mowed down or macheted down are people who have had their weapons taken away.
	So, you know, I don't want to sound like a Paranoid right-wing extremists, but I think that we kind of have to go back to basics here a little bit and put our eyes open.
	One of my big concerns is that a lot of people hash around this problem that it's a real difficult situation to try and disarm the American public.
	Number one, you're not going to get National Guard guys.
	I mean, half to one-third of those guys are red-blooded Americans.
	You know, they're not so young and punkish that they're just going to take straight orders and say, you know, fire on or shoot at American citizens.
	But the trend we're seeing where our military is being gutted and the trend toward UN peacekeepers, you know, it wouldn't surprise me in a martial law scenario to see foreign troops here helping to maintain order in the major cities.
	Now, people say, well, this is far-fetched.
	It couldn't happen in the United States.
	People don't understand we signed a thing called the Partnership for Peace, and they don't realize that that was a revolving door.
	It wasn't just a one-way thing where we would send our troops over to Eastern Bloc countries and help maintain order.
	The opposite could occur.
	Yes, in fact, we had January 18th through 22nd of this year, we had something called Partner Challenge 1999, and it was held in Grayling, Michigan.
	And what was it?
	It was a peacekeeping exercise involving National Guard personnel from three states and military personnel from three European countries.
	I could dig out and pull all sorts of articles about other such events that happened down in Louisiana or whatnot.
	Some of the exercises they engaged in were including disarming civilians.
	You know, that kind of stuff would really piss off Americans.
	It really would.
	Americans are used to having guns to defend themselves.
	They're used to having food, if they so desire, to store, and it's nobody's business but their own.
	Now, that may be a very old-fashioned idea, But that's what most Americans still believe.
	Well, and I think that, you know, there's this little media-orchestrated game that tries to put out this idea that if you decide you're going to put away some food reserves, if you're going to expend some of your personal money that could otherwise be spent down in Las Vegas or on some fancy vacation and decide to be a little self-sufficient and self-reliant, That that is supposed to be called hoarding, but let's take a look at this word hoarding.
	Hoarding assumes, number one, that there's a shortage.
	Number two, it assumes public ownership.
	Now once there is a shortage, though, then they call it hoarding and they can get away with demeaning, right?
	Well, if you buy the line that in fact the government has a right to private property, that's called Marxism and Communism.
	But the point is, is if people prepare, and this is something that I really try to emphasize, if people prepare now, not only are you going to be self-sufficient and self-reliant and less apt to have to surrender your rights because, you know, you've got to line up for a food ration coupon, but also you're in a position to help other people.
	And not only that, you're actually helping the overall situation Because you're not out there competing for the few resources that are available.
	So you are helping the situation and the government should be encouraging everybody to prepare.
	We used to have national food reserves, grain reserves.
	The USDA used to freeze tons of butter.
	Most of those are gone, aren't they?
	We sold the grain reserves to Russia.
	They put them in underground rail access facilities and we sold it to them on terms that
	American citizens couldn't get and they defaulted on those loans.
	You know all of that really is absolutely true folks. I know it sounds fantastic
	But Philip Hogue is right.
	We had those grain reserves. We in fact sold them to the Russians
	with the financial conditions that no American could get and then
	they turned around and defaulted and they've got all the grain and we don't have
	the reserves anymore.
	Bye.
	That is the truth.
	We'll be right back.
	Well, I've been able to get ready To realize what I have found
	I have been only half of what I am This is Costco and GNC.
	Alright, back now to Phillip Hogue.
	You know, listening to that commercial brings to mind another thing.
	If you're preparing for any potential difficulty of any sort, man-made or otherwise, you've got to worry about medicines.
	I mean, people depend on certain medicines.
	In our society, we're kept alive for a long time by modern medicine.
	And what are you going to do if you can't get your medicine?
	Well, you know, I've got a... In my book, No Such Thing as Doomsday, I cover everything from soup to nuts in an extremely comprehensive fashion.
	Well, I'd like to get some of that out on the air this morning.
	In other words, let us turn from what can happen, which we all pretty well know, to what we can do about it, personally.
	Gotcha.
	The hell with the government.
	What can we do about it?
	And that's a good place to focus.
	And when we look at I've got a chapter in here under medical considerations.
	I talk about a lot of different things, both allopathic and homeopathic.
	Basically, when we start looking at medical considerations, and you talked about medications, I've got a few advices in here about how people can stockpile medications, and I think this is an important thing.
	There's a lot of people that are very dependent on their medications.
	Personally, I'm an emergency medical technician and I have to deal with this a little bit.
	One of the good options is just go to your doctor and say, you know, I'm a little concerned about Y2K.
	Most doctors know about it.
	Just say, I want to have a one or two month cushion of medications.
	For a lot of people, this is going to be a big financial expenditure.
	Have you done that?
	Well, I don't take any medications.
	I mean, I have.
	I have my own personal underground facility.
	It's about 7,000 square feet, and it's got three diesel generators, a clinic, a radio room.
	Now wait just one moment.
	You have how many?
	7,000 square feet?
	Wow!
	But it houses quite a few people.
	Good Lord, Philip!
	It's got 10 feet of earth over the roof.
	You've actually done this?
	Oh yeah, oh yeah.
	I've got pictures in my book.
	Oh yeah, we've got ham equipment in there.
	I can, you know, talk all over the planet.
	I can, you know, I can pick up local emergency frequencies and transmit from down there.
	We've got UHF, VHF, and ham.
	Wow.
	And it's all hardened in a Faraday cage.
	All of the antennas and power supplies are protected by gas tubes and MOVs, for those that are familiar with electromagnetic pulse protection.
	We did the same thing with our engine room.
	We've got three diesel generators in it, and we've got inverters and batteries in there, and it's in a steel tank, and it protected all the incoming and outgoing penetrations.
	You know, for somebody who wrote a book called No Such Thing as a Doomsday, why...
	Some people might consider there to be a slight gap here between the title of the book and your actions.
	Well, there's no Doomsday for me because I'm prepared.
	There may be Doomsday for somebody else out there that's got their head in the sand.
	So then I'll say, no such thing as Doomsday for me and my friends.
	Okay, I've got it.
	But anyhow... I'm giving you a lot of trouble here, I know, I'm sorry.
	I go into great Details about medical considerations, like for instance, you know, we've stockpiled antibiotics.
	There's certain things you're not going to be able to stockpile unless you've got a prescription to it.
	Obviously, I do not advise anyone trying to stockpile painkillers.
	I mean, you can invest a lot into a nice facility and lose the whole property if somebody kicks down your door and finds you've got illegal meds in there.
	So you've got to keep within the parameters of the law.
	Nonetheless, you can go talk to your doctor, and I'm sure he'll work with you in putting aside medications.
	A lot of your medications have shelf life, but I discuss this in the book.
	Medications are a lot like food.
	You take antibiotics, for instance.
	The best thing you can do is store those in a freezer, and I talk about extending shelf life.
	Now, let me stop you right there.
	Keeping them cold in the fridge or actually putting them in the freezer?
	Well, like, for instance, antibiotics, it would probably be a good idea to stick them right in the freezer.
	Really?
	You can check with the people at, you know, your pharmacy, and there's usually numbers that you can contact to find out, you know, if freezing will damage the product.
	Usually it won't.
	But when you look at the shelf life on a product, in most cases, and you need to check in every situation, When that shelf life expires, it doesn't mean that the product became toxic.
	It just means under the worst case scenario, the potency is not going to be what they profess it to be after this date.
	So you could have 10-year-old antibiotics that might work just fine as long as they've been kept at a cool and constant temperature.
	Gotcha.
	You might have to take a few more of them.
	But if, for instance, you took those same antibiotics and you stored them for five years in the freezer, they're going to be in real good shape when they come out.
	Well, the truth of the matter is that without antibiotics, in a critical situation, something like an infection could kill your butt, right?
	Right.
	Not only that, you know, in my book, You know, I start out with water is the most important thing.
	I move to food and I go up to hierarchy.
	You know, we go all the way up to power, communication, security and whatnot.
	But water is number one.
	Water is number one.
	So what the hell do all the people, I mean, they're listening to you now in Chicago and Los Angeles and New York and every major city in the U.S.
	And if the water goes off and you're 30 floors up in an apartment building in a high rise and the water goes off, what do you do?
	Okay.
	Simple.
	It's not that difficult.
	It's the cheapest thing you can deal with.
	All right?
	I mean, there's a lot of people out there selling these water barrels and whatnot.
	And I'm not too hyped up on the idea of storing water, because water doesn't generally store that well or taste that good after it's been stored in plastic containers for a year.
	And it's hard to find space to store it.
	But generally, if you're in Chicago, there's water all over the place.
	Now let's just think about the scenario.
	Say that the governor of Chicago comes out and he says, we've got evidence that there's been a biological attack against the municipal water system.
	You mean the mayor?
	The mayor, yeah.
	I'm sorry, the mayor.
	You know, what are people going to do in Chicago?
	They're going to end up trying to drink surface water because the National Guard isn't going to be able to pull in water fast enough to deal with them.
	Or somebody detonates a device on the municipal water plant and knocks it out of function.
	The beauty of this country, the reason that we haven't, we don't experience the ravages of diseases that they experience in the third world countries, is the fantastic sanitation system we've got in this country.
	And they've already shown that there's some major problems with Y2K and embedded processors.
	I know.
	In the water purification plant.
	So, my advice to people is everybody, everybody should own a portable means of purifying water.
	And it's not expensive.
	I mean, we sell them on our website.
	You can get them in any outdoor supply store in the United States, any Army, Navy store, any backpacking store.
	They're portable, operated water filtration devices.
	They do not need tap pressure.
	You can go to a mud puddle.
	You can go to a river.
	You can go to a creek.
	You can, you know, you can And they really work?
	They work!
	They work.
	I mean, I've seen these, and they're relatively inexpensive.
	I've even seen them for like 30 bucks.
	Right.
	You know, there are some that are better than others, and there are some that are, quote, just name brand, and you pay twice the price for the same thing that you can get from an American version.
	Yeah.
	And I cover all this in my book, but that's the most important thing.
	You can get the best, top of the line, the ones the U.S.
	Marines use for 60 bucks.
	Now, that's amazing.
	You know, and to me, I tell everybody, that's your first investment.
	It isn't going to cost you that much.
	And if you can't afford that, you can go out and you can get iodine drops.
	You can get iodine tablets.
	You can get chlorine tablets.
	You go to any one of your outdoor supply stores.
	This is immediately available.
	You can get this anywhere, and it's cheap.
	It's the most important thing because, like, when Saddam Hussein ran the Kurds up into the mountains, When they had to flee to these refugee camps with tents, they lost a third of their children to bad water.
	They died.
	A third of their children?
	And you start looking at situations in Turkey, and they're really concerned about waterborne diseases right now.
	I know.
	You know, and we are in a worse position in the United States than they are there, because they're used to crummy water.
	We're pampered.
	We're not used to bad water.
	We go down to Mexico, and we get The revenge.
	I know.
	I've had it.
	So, that's your first thing.
	Extremely important.
	And this is another reason we're talking about medications and antibiotics.
	Boy, you know, and I talk about places you can get antibiotics legally.
	Whether, you know, you go down and buy it in Mexico or you contact a veterinary supply and stockpile some for your horsey.
	But there's also some real good books I recommend in there that show you conversion charts between, you know, what the comparable... How much a horsey gets and how much you get?
	Right, right.
	Yes, indeed.
	And so I think the medical... Why is it... May I... Can I ask... Now, the antibiotics for a horse are basically the same antibiotics, aren't they, that we take?
	Is that true?
	Well, some of them...
	Yes, some of them, no.
	Yes, the ones that they use in veterinary type activities are the same if they are the same.
	And so these can be just purchased off the shelf?
	Now why is that?
	Until the show is over and the FDA gets uptight about it.
	But, you know, there's mail orders, Jeffers Veterinary Supply, I've got the phone number in my book.
	You can call up and you can order antibiotics for your livestock.
	Now you have to be careful and you need to know what you're doing and like I say I've got the references in my book.
	There are certain veterinary antibiotics that you don't want to use on humans.
	Right.
	But they're not, they're different, they don't use them on humans.
	In other words, like for instance I've got goats and there's certain antibiotics that you wouldn't use on people that
	use on goats because they damage human auditory nerves.
	Uh huh.
	Right.
	Uh-huh.
	Right?
	So you could make a big, big mistake if you didn't know what you were doing.
	Correct, but there are some very good books out there.
	There's a book out there called Where There Is No Doctor, and it's a health worker's guide to third world country medical services.
	And excellent book and it gives you all the antibiotic conversion charts and it gives you the dosages per body weight and things like that.
	This stuff could be absolutely priceless in the face of a natural disaster or some situation that created a shortage of medications.
	I mean, you know, so it's important consideration.
	The other thing is we have to start looking at and being realistic.
	You know, you start looking at a large-scale natural disaster, be it war or something else, and we kind of start falling into the triage scenario that, you know, we can only do what we can do.
	What about, now, if you're in Chicago and it's the middle of the winter and the power goes out, baby, you're in trouble.
	It's going to get cold.
	Right?
	Or if you live where I am here in the middle of what we call high summer and it's 110, 115 degrees, Power goes out, you're in trouble.
	You're cooked.
	You're cooked is quite literally true.
	So, what do you say to people in these harsh climates, one way or the other, about how to stay alive should the power go out?
	Certainly a possibility.
	Well, you know, I've got a whole chapter in my book on heating, and this is a real important subject after we get through Water and food, we move to heat.
	Obviously, if you've got electrically powered heating, you're in trouble.
	You can't depend on it.
	And that even includes natural gas furnaces because they require electricity to work.
	A lot of people don't realize this.
	That's correct.
	You know, the burner will not kick on if the blower isn't operational.
	That's correct.
	And so, there are some devices out there, if you think you're going to rely on natural gas, there's some radiant natural gas heaters.
	But the problem is, it will not kick on if the blower isn't operational.
	That's correct.
	And so, there are some devices out there, if you think you're going to rely on natural gas, there's some radiant natural gas heaters.
	But the problem is, is that your natural gas pipelines have compressor stations that have embedded chips.
	And I don't know, but there's a good possibility that you're going to have some failures there.
	So a lot of people, I recommend to them, if they're looking at heating, the ideal form is wood heating.
	Of course, if you live in a major city, you're not going to be able to do that.
	Your next best option is going to be propane.
	Again, a propane furnace is not going to work without electricity, but there are propane radiant heaters, and there are certain precautions you need to take to use them.
	So, you know, that's basically the drift on heating.
	If you're in a situation where you need air conditioning, well, Art, have you ever thought of an evaporative cooler?
	Yes.
	Still needs electricity, but it's a little more energy efficient.
	Energy efficient.
	One of the big things, the next step when we get down heating and cooling, I've got a very extensive chapter on power generation.
	And I get people that call me all the time.
	I had a guy call me today from Georgia, and he figured out he needed 88 kW to run his air conditioning system in his house.
	Right.
	And he was talking... People don't know how much that is.
	That's a hell of a lot of power.
	Right.
	And I said, now let's just think about this for a minute.
	We're talking, at best case scenario, 8 gallons of diesel fuel an hour.
	Right.
	To power that air conditioner.
	I said, are you prepared to buy a fuel tank that big?
	I mean, I could get you the ADKW diesel generator.
	I said, but let's be realistic.
	So what I get into in a lot of education with people is we have to start looking at power conservation.
	Whenever we start looking at making our own power, You have to start looking at conservation.
	You have to start seeing what can we do without.
	You have to become realistic.
	It's a pretty frightening process when you realize what it actually takes to power the average home, either with air conditioning or with heat requirements or whatever.
	It's a lot of power.
	Hey Art, can I interject something here?
	Yep.
	For those that I know there's a lot of people out there that might not stay up all night and maybe I could give out my phone number if they want to order our book.
	Of course you can.
	Where is your book on Amazon?
	Oh, you can get it on Barnes and Noble dot com.
	You can get it on Amazon dot com or you can order it direct from us.
	All right.
	And you can get it quicker from us because we mail everything priority mail.
	I heard an echo in the background saying quicker from us.
	All right.
	No such thing as Doomsday with a lot of practical info in it.
	And the number is?
	is. 1-800-327-7656. 7656? That's 1-800-327-7656.
	7656?
	That's 1-800-327 24 hours a day or just during the day or what?
	During the day.
	In other words, this is a number that rings right there at your house.
	That's correct.
	In fact, it just rang.
	Somebody dialed it.
	We also have, if the line gets busy, because I remember the last time I was on your show, the phone rang solid for three days.
	We have a secondary number with us.
	Call Fulfillment Service.
	If you get a busy number, you can call there and they'll get your order.
	And that's 1-800-326-1817.
	That's 1-800-326-1817.
	How much is your book?
	Well, actually, it's $29.95 plus $4 for shipping and handling.
	That's it, huh?
	three two six one eight
	seven how much is your book well actually it's
	twenty nine ninety five plus four dollars for shipping and handling
	that's it i think it's thoughtful of real stuff you can do like
	medicine like water like food like uh... protection from uh... the elements of the all
	All of these things are in your book.
	Not only that, this is the only book in existence which really, in a hands-on fashion, covers how you can protect yourself from the nuclear and biological threat.
	All right.
	Hold it right there, Philip.
	We'll be right back.
	In fact, that's 1-800-327-7656, the direct number.
	And I'm hoping for a dream lover.
	You'll come my way.
	Girl, you're holding my heart.
	You know the magic of my charms.
	Cause I want you, girl.
	Water!
	Water!
	Inside a meteorite from somewhere else.
	Absolutely incredible.
	Oh well.
	Back to Philip Hogue.
	Philip, welcome back.
	Okay, Art.
	Would you mind if I also give out my website there for all those surfers?
	Yeah, sure, go ahead.
	We've got links up on our website.
	I think we do anyway.
	Yeah, you can go right into artbell.com and there's a link there that goes to our website, which is nodom.com.
	That's N-O-D-O-M dot com.
	You got it.
	And then there's a secondary one.
	It's y2ksurvivalfood.com too, right?
	Right.
	And you can go in there and you can actually preview the chapters of our book.
	Really?
	That's big of you.
	By the way, let me give out your book number again.
	You don't give autograph copies, do you?
	You don't sell autograph copies?
	Well, if somebody asks for it, I will do it.
	You will do it?
	I will do it.
	All right.
	Especially for Art Bell listeners only.
	All right.
	For Art Bell listeners only.
	All right.
	What's that number again, please?
	1-800-327-7656.
	That's 1-800-327-7656.
	And the secondary order number is 1-800-326-1817.
	7656, that's 1-800-327-7656 and the secondary order number is 1-800-326-1817.
	Yeah, but if you want an autographed book, you're probably going to have to get through on order line number one.
	Well, yes, you'll have to go through the primary order line, which is 1-800-327-1817.
	See, I just pushed you into something, didn't I?
	Alright, first time caller on the line, you're on the air with Phillip Hogue.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Greg from Clovis, California.
	Hi.
	I've been listening to you for four years, and this is the night that I finally got a hold of you.
	Well, good.
	This is really exciting.
	I'm on the website right now of the Y2K Survival Food and Sports, and it's Quite interesting.
	A lot of interesting products.
	Right.
	My question is this.
	I have a friend that works for the phone company in California.
	And we all know which phone company that is.
	Yes, we do.
	And he told me something interesting.
	He said that if the power goes out, that the phones have backup generators.
	Supposedly.
	I asked him and I said, well, how do they He said, well, of course they use power to do that.
	I said, well, what would happen if there was power outages for a substantial amount of time?
	They said, well, usually when the power goes out, everybody wants to get on the phone and call.
	And that's a problem because it drains from the generators.
	And he said, if it happens for a substantial amount of time, they have to cut off the phones completely and go to emergency service lines only.
	Because those are the important lines that they must maintain.
	Well, that's really interesting.
	And I said, so what do you mean?
	You're saying if the power goes out?
	He said, yeah, if the power goes out and a bunch of people get on the phone and call, you might not be able to call 911 anyway because they're going to have to save the power that they have for the EMS line.
	No, that makes all the sense in the world, and I know they've got backup, because power has gone out here, you know, we're out in the boondocks here, and it goes out, and the phone is still working, so I know that is true, but for a protracted period of time, I wonder how long they are prepared to go before they would have to begin cutting the phones off.
	He said that all depends on how much power goes out, how far the grid is, and how many people are affected and how many people get on
	the phone at once.
	For instance, if a good portion of the state of California was to lose power
	and a lot of people got on the phone, they would almost have to immediately
	shut down and go to EML lines only.
	Wow.
	Phillip, you want to comment on that?
	It goes to the question of communication.
	Well, it stands to reason, like I do a lot of reading in major disasters with EMS and fire and whatnot, and typically the first thing that happens in a disaster is the frequencies get totally overloaded.
	You know, you get a plane crash or a train wreck or something like that.
	The same thing is going to happen in a disaster where civilians are involved.
	I am familiar a little bit with the phone company backup systems.
	They have some kind of sophisticated batteries that they've been using for years, and they have a float charger system on them.
	And so, I'm sure at some of their facilities, they actually have backup generators.
	They're probably most of them run by natural gas, some cases diesel.
	But the bulk of their backup systems, as I understand, are a battery system, because I have friends that buy them now, and then on a scheduled basis, they Retire these batteries and put new batteries in place.
	And so yes, there is a battery system.
	It's also I've heard say that most of your phone system is harder to get electromagnetic pulse damage also, which is refreshing knowledge.
	We'll find out for sure after such an event.
	But yeah, there's a potential problem there.
	I have a whole chapter in my book on disaster communications.
	And I actually have a picture of the Sea Crane Baygen Radio, an excellent product.
	Do you really?
	Great Y2K item.
	Yeah, it is, with a light.
	You know, it's because it gives you... You know, obviously, if your phone is out, if the lights are out, what are you going to want?
	You're going to want to know what the hell's going on, and you're going to want to not stumble over something and break your leg.
	And there's a very important psychological factor to be able to know what's going on.
	The unknown is a great fear to most people.
	And to have a radio or something that's going to work when the power is out and you can turn it on and you can hear from an emergency broadcast what's going on could be, you know, the value could be just phenomenal.
	Yes.
	I agree with you.
	But what else can people do?
	Do you recommend people have CB radios?
	I think CB radios are an excellent idea.
	You know, obviously, you know, Art, you're an expert in communication.
	You understand ham radios and things like that.
	All of this depends on, number one, who you want to be able to communicate with, whether you want to just listen to them or you want to actually talk to them, and how deep you want to get into it.
	Of course, the guys that have really got it together are the ham radio operators.
	And I recommend, I talk about ham radio in my book and all the other options, whether it's commercial or family band radio.
	First you need to start out and decide who you want to talk to.
	If it's your neighbor down the block, you know, it may be family band radio which you can buy inexpensively anywhere.
	Yeah, but that's short range stuff.
	That's very short range.
	It should be said.
	Right.
	I'm going to say it because I don't care if I get in trouble.
	I'm a licensed ham, so yes, I've got a lot of equipment here.
	I've got a hundred foot tower and thousands of pounds of steel above my head here.
	So I've got a pretty extensive setup.
	But you can buy a ham radio transceiver, and even if you don't have a license... Boy, are they going to get me for this.
	You can buy it.
	I mean, it's like you can buy it and you can't use it without a license.
	But on the other hand, if Everything's coming apart, and you need to talk a long distance.
	That's what'll do it.
	That's correct.
	And not only that, there are provisions in an emergency, as far as I understand, that you can transmit without a license.
	No, that's right.
	In a dire emergency, the eventual FCC is the last thing I would think about.
	Right.
	And I highly recommend That you look at everybody who's really interested in disaster communications, get a hold of the local ham group.
	In every town and city there's ham freaks out there that there's nothing more that they'd love to do.
	I object to freaks.
	I mean enthusiasts.
	Thank you.
	That, you know, this is their life and they just love to teach you, you know, antennas and how they've got courses, crash courses on to pass your test.
	Yep.
	And, you know, look into this.
	Well, going out now with new licenses and renewals of licenses are little notes about Y2K and Ham Radio.
	I keep meaning to get one and read it, and I had it.
	I don't know what I did with it.
	Somebody sent me one.
	It's really interesting.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Phillip Hogue.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	I'm a, like I told you, I'm a police officer with a major southern police department.
	Yes, sir.
	Um, I just want to make y'all aware that, uh, in roll call about two weeks ago, uh, we were asked to, uh, keep our eyes open for people that are stocking up, uh, things for the Y2K.
	What?
	I'm serious.
	Oh, come on.
	I'm serious as always.
	Well, um, really?
	Yeah.
	And we were asked to write a memo.
	Why would you as a police?
	Well, now let me, let me finish.
	Yeah, please.
	Okay.
	So we were asked to, you know, look for these things and then write a memo.
	And when we asked, You're serious?
	who wants to know the same misinformation?
	All we're told is that our administration had an interest in it,
	and they wouldn't tell us anything else.
	You're serious?
	That's a heart attack.
	I wouldn't kid you.
	Um...
	That really sucks.
	Yeah.
	You know, as you guys broke up that day after getting that news, what was the talk between you like?
	Well, it was kind of like, well, I guess we better put our names on the list.
	Philip, that's alarming, Philip.
	Yeah, I agree it's alarming, but it's unfortunate.
	I have a little section in my food chapter on the issue of hiding food.
	You know, I don't feel factual about it.
	You're also aware that part of the Crime Act, you know, from, what was it, 1994?
	It's now illegal to hoard more than six months' supply of food.
	It's a federal crime.
	Well, they can kiss my food later.
	Well, me too, but, you know, I'm just saying, I just wanted this information to get out, though.
	Well, gee, thanks for the cheerful phone call.
	Well, you know, it gives you that warm, fuzzy feeling.
	Yeah, indeed.
	Warm and fuzzy.
	Thank you, and...
	Y'all take care down there.
	You know, I have no reason to disbelieve him, but that's really awful.
	I mean, to tell the guy on the street, the force on the street, look, we want you to start noting who's hoarding.
	I hate that word.
	Who's trying to prepare?
	God, that's terrible.
	I have a gentleman that I did some consulting for up in Montreal and his parents during the ice storms up there, when the power was out for so long, they had a generator running and they were powering up their house and the authorities came along and confiscated it.
	They said they needed it for an emergency shelter.
	This friend of mine, it really made him sober.
	He was planning some Y2K preparedness projects.
	Yeah.
	And he's extremely paranoid about being confidential.
	Uh, because of the fact his parents, you know, it was cold out and they came and they just took the generator.
	Just took it?
	Took it.
	Needed it for an emergency shelter.
	So, these are kind of sobering thoughts.
	Well, look, here's Philip Hogue with 7,000 square feet of underground shelter.
	God knows what's stocked up.
	And so what are you going to do when they come to take away what you've got, Philip?
	What do you do?
	Well, you know... Tell the truth here.
	This is what we call the worst case scenario.
	Right.
	You know, our own government turning into a tyrant.
	Yes.
	And we hope and pray that this doesn't happen.
	And obviously, as Sun Tzu said, it's never engaged the superior military force.
	All that having been said, though.
	You know, you don't want to tangle with the authorities.
	The best thing to do is try and avoid them if they turn vicious.
	And we all hope that doesn't happen.
	And I'm not anti-government.
	I'm part of emergency services here.
	No, I understand.
	But you've got more of a problem if you're living in a highly populated metropolitan area.
	If you live in a small town... Well, maybe so, but they still know Philip Hogue has this big stash there and there's going to come On the door, and what are you going to do?
	Well, you know... They're really pushing you here.
	You know, there are people that know where I am, but I'm kind of out and out of the way, and I live in an area... Open up, Hope!
	We want your generator!
	We want your food!
	Well, my generator's bolted down, and you know, I mean, that's a possibility.
	You know, we all have contingencies for situations like that.
	All right, I'll let you get off there.
	These are the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Phillip Hogue.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	Hello, Phillip.
	How are you doing?
	Good.
	How are you all?
	Good.
	This is Alan calling from Christiana, Tennessee.
	First, real quick, Art, I checked out your kind of litigation page, if you want to call it that.
	Yes.
	And I want to encourage everybody to go check that out because What's on there is overwhelming.
	I know.
	I know, and it's being dubbed by the other side as Art Bell fans.
	Boy, it could be more untrue.
	Well, let's hear it for Art Bell fans, okay?
	Because we love you.
	Well, they're not, actually.
	Well, but I'm saying for the folks that are going to hear your show and go to that page, they're going to be overwhelmed, and I encourage them to do that.
	All right, now you've talked us to the bottom of the hour, so hold on, sir.
	We'll come back to you, and we'll come back to Philip, after the break, we've got a break here for a moment.
	Well, I don't know, some people say this is crazy, and preparedness is crazy, and if that's what you think, then your head belongs right where it is, wherever that is.
	Be happy, warm and fuzzy.
	Now move back to Philip Hoag and...
	There are a lot of people we should talk to.
	Listen, his book, so that you know, revised in June of 1999, second edition, is 406 pages with 356 charts, pictures, and illustrations.
	This is, I guess it's a survival book, right?
	Well, it's a book that covers all things.
	Aspects of general preparedness, civil defense, and preparing for any type of disaster there is.
	And if you want an autographed copy, you dial 1-800-327-7656, and that number is available right now.
	800-327-7656 and that number is available right now.
	I think Phillip's wife is answering it in the background.
	Alright, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Phillip Pogue.
	Once again, thank you for waiting.
	Yes, Art, thank you.
	Phillip, my question was, as far as your family and how you're preparing them, and you probably alluded to this in your book, and I'm going to try to get it, but as far as protocol, you know, our lifestyles are pretty lavish in, you know, as far as, you know, other countries and everything.
	It's what we're used to having.
	Have you prepared your family in any way?
	What have you told them as far as if things were to get a little bit sketchy?
	Well, number one, I intentionally position myself out in a rural area.
	I don't want to discourage people in the cities.
	We can talk about that another time or later.
	What can people do in the cities?
	If you're standing on the railroad track and you see a train coming, what's the best thing to do?
	Get off the track.
	Get out of the way.
	There's a lot more odds against you in a metropolitan area.
	I live in the country.
	I've got elk herds back up in the hills behind me.
	I've got deer all around me.
	I can grow a garden here.
	I have dairy goats.
	I've got a couple of horses.
	And I'm kind of integrated with the local community.
	I'm part of emergency services here, and that's an ideal situation.
	Not everybody can do it, but my suggestion to people is, number one, you need to, as much as possible, put yourself in a position of self-sufficiency and self-reliance.
	Self-reliance could be as simple as having a water filtration device and a long-term food storage program stored underneath your double bed in your apartment.
	But, you know, this goes by degrees.
	I've got a portable diesel generator out here.
	I've got inverters.
	I've got deep cycle batteries for my house.
	You know, I've got kerosene and kerosene lamps.
	I've been heating my house with a wood stove.
	What is your address?
	Bloondock.
	Take a turn at the Yellowstone River.
	A little more to my point was, have you told your children, you know, you're not going to have TV, maybe?
	You're not going to have some of these things and maybe need to start thinking about, you know, maybe our existence, maybe for a short time, like Art says, or who knows?
	What's it going to be?
	Well, my situation is a little different because I don't allow a TV in my house.
	I mean, we have video, we have TV sets of video, but I don't get any TV reception in my house.
	Quite frankly, I just think it's A form of national mind control.
	And you don't realize that until you get away from it.
	And I agree with that somewhat, but do you see what I'm saying?
	I'm talking about all the things that we're used to.
	There may be a time, like Art says, maybe short or maybe longer that, you know, we're going to be out without these things.
	I mean, for many of us, life without television might not even be worth living.
	Right.
	Nobody wants to laugh at that, huh?
	Thanks.
	In my case, my children are all homeschooled.
	I think that's becoming more and more popular with Columbine and all these other crazy disasters.
	My kids, I don't think they would notice much of a change because they have my daughters into horses.
	Other children, they love to play outside.
	They've got things that are going on.
	In other words, you're already living what today could be called an alternate lifestyle.
	Well, not as much as the Amish, but maybe a little closer.
	You know, they won't miss a beat.
	I hear you.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Phillip Hogue.
	Hi.
	Hello, this is Phil.
	I'm calling from Los Angeles.
	I mean, no, Las Vegas.
	You don't know whether you're in L.A.
	or Vegas?
	You caught me off guard.
	I've been going back and forth.
	I see.
	Anyway, I'm an employee here at Harris Las Vegas.
	Yes.
	You know, one of my concerns is, primarily, the federal government is already in our house.
	And now they're almost getting ready to step into our shoes.
	And I'm not anti-government, but I do believe that The states should belong to the hands of the people.
	And have you considered, I'm going to get your book, but have you considered anything, or is there anything in your book that mentions about order?
	Like after the fall, after the fact, if the reality does come that there's going to be martial law or the worst case scenario, is there any way that we can rebuild our cities?
	Alright, that really is a pretty good question.
	In other words, if the worst case scenario manifests itself, What do you envision arising from the ashes like the Phoenix?
	What comes after?
	Well, the worst case scenario and what comes after, I know what I would like to see what comes after.
	I mean, we're looking at a situation, if we look at the worst case scenario, where we get thrown back in the horse and buggy age without the horse and buggy.
	There's no horse and buggy there.
	We wouldn't know what to do with them, most of us, anyway.
	But, you know, we're at a real handicap in a situation like that.
	We're thrown back into 1920s and 30s without the basic infrastructure that they had then.
	They knew about horses then.
	Today, the only thing most people know is how many horsepower their engine is.
	Right.
	There's some serious problems when we look at the whole basis of our infrastructures.
	Everything's based on power.
	Everything's based on fossil fuels.
	And we could have some real serious problems, potentially, especially with the fact that if we even put aside the U.S.
	and say we fix everything here, you know, the third world countries, you know, they got a long ways to go, especially in our foreign oil that we're importing and the Drilling rigs and everything that's involved with the embedded processors.
	They're going to be a long time redoing that.
	So, number one, the ideal would be that we turned into some sort of a more decentralized infrastructure where we went back to basics.
	My major concern is that there's other people that have other plans.
	So I just hope things move in our direction.
	Yeah.
	And we have a chance to get more back to our basics of our founding fathers and things like that, and hopefully we don't move away from it to a more authoritarian, centralized, totalitarian system.
	Well, in worst case, then there would be enclaves, wouldn't there?
	Isn't that probably what would develop?
	There would be no centralized control.
	There'd be enclaves and little fiefdoms and kingdoms for a while.
	Well, I really recommend it.
	There's great strength in community, and I have a chapter on of group management in my book and I talk about how to work
	together in groups and the strength of groups and the pitfalls of working with groups
	and how you can avoid the pitfalls.
	All of that is quite likely in the aftermath, isn't it?
	Right, and I've done a lot of work with groups and I've found some major pitfalls with authoritarian
	structures, where you get somebody to turn themselves into some sort of junior potentate.
	I really advocate and I have some hands-on information in there about group management
	structures and how you can work in group dynamics.
	I really recommend that people look into these things because you can do so much more with a group because not everyone of us is a diesel mechanic, a brain surgeon, and a guy that can make bread.
	We've all got individual geniuses and talents and we all have our blind spots.
	And so you would need a small community of people who have individual talents.
	Right, and there's a great dynamic.
	Your ability to do things squares if you can work as a group.
	But as I say, there's pitfalls to working in groups that people need to understand so they can avoid them.
	And I cover all this in the book.
	All right.
	It really does sound like a very, very comprehensive book to me.
	So again, folks, worth having, worth studying, worth having in your library, just in case.
	For the autograph version.
	1-800-327-7656.
	And on the first time caller line, you're on the air with Philip Hogue.
	Hi.
	Hello, Philip.
	Hello!
	Hello, Art.
	Hi, where are you?
	I am calling from Columbia, South Carolina.
	Okay.
	What I have a question for is about preparedness.
	Today, well, yesterday's paper, the front page said that there was 800 Marines from Camp Lejeune, and about the second week of November, I'm going to practice here in our city.
	This really worries me and makes me wonder about how we should prepare or whatever.
	I guess everyone can understand this.
	Well, this is going on all over the country and they're training the military in urban warfare.
	What's equally serious is the fact that they're cross-training law enforcement at these same facilities.
	So, it's a real situation and people are getting
	more and more indoctrinated through the media to the idea of seeing troops on the streets.
	Are we going to think of these as the good old days?
	Well, you know, George Washington had some interesting
	statements about government.
	The Founding Fathers had some attitudes about government, and things seem to have mutated to an inverted situation.
	George Washington said, Government is not reason.
	Government is not eloquence.
	It is force.
	And like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
	The way things started out was the whole idea was you and I, we had rights.
	We had inalienable rights granted to us by the Creator.
	And that government was our servant, which we delegated, limited, and enumerated powers to.
	And we formed our government so that we actually could convey all of those absolute rights to the citizens of this country.
	And as it became bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger, which inevitably it does, it changed.
	It turned around 180 degrees, and we've turned so far now that we look like Linda Blair on a bad day.
	And now we're in a situation where we're issued privileges.
	We no longer have rights, but we're issued privileges by the government, and that's just the kind of thing that we tried to get away from from King George.
	So I don't know what to tell you, but we've got a problem.
	And if we're going to change that problem, we're going to have to change it ourselves.
	Right.
	Another point was the Urban Crisis they're practicing for is supposedly to be taken out in international theaters.
	But I just don't know.
	It just doesn't sound right to me.
	And that's really got me concerned about this area.
	Well, it's one of those dark clouds.
	On the horizon, and it's good reason to be prepared.
	I have two comments and one question.
	My first comment is...
	You're only allowed one comment and one question.
	Okay, sorry.
	Alright, so one comment.
	If one of those suitcase bag nuclear explosives went off, how much would I bet that the government would probably cover it up and say that they already caught the person instead of putting the government in panic?
	I was just kidding.
	You can make two comments.
	What's your other one?
	Okay, and this is my question.
	What do you think are the chances that in the next ten years that we're going to get into war?
	With another country.
	Huh.
	Well, almost a hundred percent.
	Which ten years have we not been at war with some country?
	That's my answer.
	Which decade would you say was entirely free of conflict for the U.S.?
	Well, there's probably a couple of them, but not very much.
	Well, name one.
	I'm not really sure.
	Well, that's because I don't think there is one.
	Philip, do you think there was a decade at which we were not at war with some country?
	No, not that I can recall.
	Maybe not a declared war, but a conflict of some sort.
	Not that I can recall in a long time.
	You know, war has stated purposes and war has unstated purposes.
	And most of the ones we fight now are rather unstated.
	Correct.
	You know, there's population reduction, there's the creation of death, there's a lot of Economic reasons for war.
	If we look through the history of World War II, we'll see that it's quite plain what happened there in World War I. We got the Federal Reserve, and as soon as we got it, we needed a national debt, so they created a war.
	So the government could borrow money from the private bank called the Federal Reserve.
	And here, just on May 25th of this year, there was a historic The vote in the United States Senate was 52 to 47.
	It shifted the blame off the commanders of Pearl Harbor to the Commander-in-Chief of the nation for the surprise attack by the Japanese on Pearl Harbor.
	You didn't see this on CNN.
	But nonetheless, there was an official statement there that the Commander-in-Chief, they didn't name him, but it was Roosevelt, I don't know.
	about the impending attack on Pearl Harbor and he allowed it to happen.
	Well, that's very controversial. I know that's kind of a conservative underpinning.
	They've always thought that, that Roosevelt knew the war was coming.
	Right. I mean, I don't know. I'm just saying that's what happened in this particular Senate action.
	But anyhow, I do think that there is potential for war in the future.
	And if we just look around and see what's going on in China, see what's going on in Russia, these people are moving on to a war footing.
	And at the same time, we are disarming.
	I mean, look at the Gulf of Tonkin.
	We start wars, there's no question about it.
	We do.
	And we intervene, and in recent, most recent years, we have decided to become the police prisons of the world, or at least the enforcement arm of The UN, which has decided it's going to be the police organization of the world.
	There's absolutely no question about that.
	So people can draw from that what they wish.
	Listen, can you stick around for one more hour?
	Sure, Art.
	Okay, good.
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	And I heard Phillip talk about the suitcase situation, then the plutonium and etc.
	Yep.
	Well, I read a lot of fiction and one writer seems to think that perhaps maybe Well, you know, while that's an intriguing theory, I don't think I'd depend on it if I were anywhere near the suitcase.
	cases from going off and then return to the past, etc, etc.
	That's what you have involved in the Area 51 with those artificial aliens going back
	and forth.
	Well, you know, while that's an intriguing theory, I don't think I'd depend on it if
	I were anywhere near the suitcase.
	How about you?
	Well, no.
	No one.
	I mean, by the way, there would be a chain, possibly a chain reaction if something, this, we're talking about Y2K.
	If something like this went off, however, I'm a Christian and I don't believe it will go off.
	You don't think so?
	I think that except these days are short and there'll be no flesh slaves.
	Well, that's, that's the way, so it is written.
	So it is written.
	Yep.
	I appreciate it, sir.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Philip Hogue.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Extinguish your radio for us.
	Very important.
	Okay, good.
	Good.
	I would like to know why he believes that we would go back to a feudal society.
	Well, I don't necessarily believe... I don't know that we're going to go back to a feudal society.
	We talked about the worst case scenario.
	I can't tell you what the scenario is, but under the worst case scenario, potentially something like that could happen.
	You know, we are looking at, you know, we have such marvelous infrastructures, centralized infrastructures in this country, whether it's power, fuel, food distribution, and what we're saying is that Y2K threatens the stability of these infrastructures.
	There's other things that could threaten that stability, nuclear war, biological terrorism, there's a lot of things that could disrupt it, and what we're saying is there's a lot of vulnerability We're addicted to these things, like the junkie downtown New York is addicted to heroin.
	And if it goes away, we're going to have major withdrawal symptoms.
	It's true.
	I mean, I have an ISDN line to get on the internet here.
	If my ISDN line goes down, it's like part of life has been ripped from me.
	But isn't there a good chance that we could move forward as a one-world government because of this?
	Yeah, actually there is, but I wouldn't consider that to be a positive development.
	Would you, Philip?
	No, I... You know, I don't really... The more... You know, if all you listen to is on the TV about the U.N.
	and how great it is and all these things, you know, it would sound, well, this is a positive thing.
	You know, this is our solution.
	But when you start looking into the nuts and bolts of what the U.N.
	stands for... Tell I'd rather have the aliens.
	I think I'd rather deal with nuclear war.
	Really?
	It's kind of a toss-up here, but... I mean, they're pro-abortion, they're anti-family.
	They're looking to abolish our Second Amendment rights.
	They're looking to usurp the authority of the parents over the children.
	They're looking to have mandatory government schools.
	You're looking at the Orwellian Robot Society.
	That's what these people are moving towards.
	And they're looking at mandatory population reduction.
	Nobody's ever accused you of being right-wing, have they?
	No.
	These are the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Philip Hogue.
	Hello.
	Good morning, gentlemen.
	How are we doing?
	Well, we're doing reasonably well, I guess.
	How are you?
	Making it by, I guess.
	Listen, I, too, am a law enforcement Oh, you are?
	Yes, and the county that I live in, I don't want to get specific with the name or anything.
	Well, how about the state?
	Kentucky.
	Kentucky, alright.
	You know, they've been really lax about preparing for Y2K.
	There's nothing in the news about it and they're not preparing at all for it.
	The question I have is, I have about a month Well, I think you got a real good start on it.
	I mean the other thing I would consider, do you have a source
	of lighting?
	Just the sunlight and candles.
	Well, candles are good.
	Look into kerosene lamps.
	I'd recommend that you go out and buy an Aladdin lamp, but Y2K has put them about six months backlog on production.
	They're kind of hard to find.
	What are Aladdin lamps?
	Aladdin lamp is a high-efficiency kerosene lamp.
	It puts out the maximum amount of lumens.
	Mm-hmm.
	For the amount of kerosene, it puts out a very bright light.
	I'll tell you another answer, and this is a plug, of course, but really these LED array lights are incredible because of the very, very tiny amount of current consumption they require to produce a fair amount of light.
	Yeah, in fact, in my chapter in the book on lighting, I talk about those LED.
	I got a picture of those LED lights in there.
	You know, and then I get more sophisticated.
	I talk about, you know, I've got an extensive chapter on power generation systems and how you can do DC and efficiency and efficient AC lighting in your home.
	I really moved toward this idea of trying to develop some energy self-sufficiency because
	most of our technology and everything that we experience in our culture is based on power.
	I'm using trace inverters.
	I don't know if you know what those are.
	Oh yeah, I've got pictures of them in my book.
	They're excellent products.
	90 plus percent efficient, very efficient.
	People don't know the progress that has been made in power generation and conversion.
	It's been pretty spectacular actually.
	In fact, trace makes what you probably have there is the true sine wave inverter.
	You can run computers and... Absolutely.
	...and electronic equipment off it.
	It is as stable as a good day from the power company.
	Right, and the beauty of an inverter, an inverter is a little high-tech device which takes DC voltage out of a battery system and converts it into AC voltage, which we're all used to and we need for a lot of our equipment.
	Right.
	And the problem with AC is you can't store it.
	And that's where batteries are so important.
	And I've got a very extensive chapter in my book about batteries and what's involved in a battery storage system.
	But the beauty of DC is we can store it in batteries.
	And we can pull it out and use it when we need it with an inverter or with direct DC type appliances like they use in RVs.
	That's right.
	So there you are, caller.
	It sounds like you need to get a copy of his book.
	One more question, if I could.
	Sure.
	Okay, besides the light on the Beijing pre-play, what good would it do to have the radio if the power is out and the radio stations are not receiving power?
	Well, most radio stations, I would say a majority.
	Have emergency power.
	And there are designated EBS, what used to be called EBS, it's something else now, stations that absolutely are required to be hardened and have emergency power.
	Broadcasting?
	Yeah, and if that wasn't working for your local area, then the Bay Gin has shortwave and you would definitely get some reception on the shortwave bands.
	Alright.
	Okay.
	God bless you, gentlemen.
	Thank you very much, and take care.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Philip Hogue.
	Hi.
	Art?
	Yes.
	Hi, this is Rene from California.
	Hi, Rene.
	How you doing?
	I just want to wish you and your family all my best wishes.
	I know you're going through some tough times, and we in California love you.
	Thank you.
	And I want to ask Philip a question.
	Basically, what I'm really, really worried about lately has been the Second Amendment.
	I think to create a UN type of government you would have to have to disarm the United States.
	The United States is the key to the whole world government deal or a UN type government and to do this wouldn't you want some certain agencies or maybe someone to create certain you know instances where you hit people with their emotions and scare them to where you'd want to take their guns away and then have a big event Where you can collect them under a martial law type situation.
	And I want to ask Phillip, does he kind of wonder sometimes what's going on lately with all these attacks on the Second Amendment?
	In fact, if you go down to your local ASC office, Agricultural Forest Service, and what do they call it?
	It's the ASCS office.
	It's a federal agency under the Department of Interior.
	One of their duties under FEMA, I understand, is not only issuing ration coupons, but it's also gun collection centers.
	And you see, we see what happened in the Ukraine, where the Russians, the Soviets, created an artificial famine and starved out the Ukrainians that were resisting subjugation.
	You understand, if you can control food, you can control people.
	That's right.
	And if you can control Basically assault rifles because, I mean, it's kind of hard to bring a handgun to a rifle fight.
	If you take rifles away from people, what defense would a person have against somebody just taking over the country?
	Not much.
	That's why it's a high priority.
	You know, I mean, let's look at this.
	We look back in history.
	There's been periods in American history where there's been a higher concentrations of guns per capita per citizen.
	And we've had lower crime rates.
	Exactly.
	Okay, and you know, if we were really concerned and we compared apples for apples, we wouldn't be concentrating on guns, we'd be outlawing automobiles.
	Correct.
	Or cracking down on the actual criminal.
	Well, I mean, if there's a justification for kids getting killed by weapons, then we should make cars illegal.
	Exactly.
	But that's never going to happen.
	Hey Art, I love you.
	Take care.
	Hi Art and Phillip.
	This is Tom from the Eugene area in Oregon.
	I have Phillip's book and I have two questions about shielding against electromagnetic... Alright, first of all, since you have his book, what do you think of it?
	I think it's a great book.
	Full of good illustrations.
	My interest is kind of in shelters.
	Really hard information is what's in that book.
	Oh, it's solid.
	Terrific.
	I tried getting civil defense information elsewhere.
	I can't find it.
	That's right.
	Anyway, if you were in Russia, you'd have no problem.
	Really?
	My first question, in constructing an underground concrete shelter, Would copper screening act as a sufficient EMP shield when covering the entire interior of the shelter?
	No, nothing sufficient.
	My understanding, everybody I've talked to, and the rebar in the steel-reinforced concrete wouldn't give any effective shielding, nor does the earth over cover.
	What we did is, we have a steel-reinforced concrete barrel vault, and what we did is, adjacent to the main structure we put in, Two steel tanks.
	One contains the engine room and one contains the radio room.
	And that was for a Faraday cage shielding.
	It was a complete steel tank.
	Now, the easiest and most cost-effective protection from electromagnetic pulse is redundancy.
	And the cheapest form of a Faraday cage is a galvanized steel garbage can with a tight-fitting lid.
	You take your spare radios, you put them in that garbage can, and you keep the lid on it tight.
	Oh, that's a really good idea.
	And, you see, there's two things.
	One, electromagnetic pulse, it looks for an antenna.
	So, that antenna could be an extension cord from your computer that is not even plugged into the wall.
	Right.
	It could be the antenna off your radio.
	If you have any extension cords or things like that and your item is not in a steel container, you should coil them up.
	You should try and minimize the antenna, disconnect the antenna.
	Also be aware that even though you have your computer turned off, your radio turned off, if an electromagnetic pulse spike collects on the telephone lines, the power distribution grid, it will jump across open switches.
	Absolutely.
	It's the first thing we would see in the event of a nuclear attack on this country because one of the advantages we have over the rest of the world, over the Russians and over the Red Chinese is our computerized coordination and military control of our assault forces.
	And that's the first thing they'd take out.
	And so they have weapons in orbit right now.
	We wouldn't even know until the detonation occurred, and it would create a blinding and confusion factor.
	Now, wait a minute, Philip.
	There's, uh... There's treaties against that.
	Well... You're telling me that we've broken... They've broken... People have broken that treaty and have nuclear weapons in orbit?
	That's correct.
	They also have... I have pictures in my book, illustrations from the Defense Department of their satellite kill weapons.
	And the first thing they'll do is go after our reconnaissance satellites.
	And, you know, and I've got a scenario in my book, a chapter on a, you know, an attack on the U.S., a nuclear attack on the U.S., how, you know, I speculate that, you know, the Yeltsin would call up and say, oh, there's been a terrible disaster in space.
	This space station has exploded.
	Please bear with us, you know.
	And that's after they detonate a device over the North American continent about 100 to 200 miles up, and it blankets the entire North American continent with electromagnetic pulse.
	It burns out all unprotected electronics, creates mass confusion.
	Well, you know, I'll tell you, your garbage can idea is the best damn thing I've heard in a long time.
	I mean, really, putting a radio in a garbage can would indeed protect it from an EMP pulse.
	A new one on me, and I'm going to file that one away.
	Yeah, it's low-tech, it's cheap, and it works.
	Exactly.
	And I never thought about that.
	Cool.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Philip, No Doomsday, Hogue.
	Yeah, hi, I'm calling from Nevada.
	Art, a couple of times you mentioned a book called Lucifer's Hammer about when a comet strikes the Earth and the effect that it has now, how realistic it is.
	You haven't mentioned the rest of the book is about Just the same thing as the total disaster of Y2K.
	Please don't go on.
	My wife is currently reading Lucifer's Hammer, and I don't want you to tell the end of it.
	It's a good book, but it's the same scenario as Y2K, only it's unplanned.
	Right.
	It's an excellent story on it.
	No, no, you're dead right.
	Yeah, and another thing is when next year sometime in the future, someone's going to come up and say, you know, the worst thing about it Is that we didn't appreciate what we had.
	And so what everyone should do now is give thanks like on Thanksgiving.
	You can go down and buy an ice cream when you want.
	You can get gasoline when you want at a decent price.
	You can turn a flick of switch and you got electricity.
	Everything.
	Appreciate everything that we have right now.
	So that next year sometimes someone's going to say, Oh yeah, I listened to Art Belch on this man said, Hey, appreciate it now.
	And, and so we did, we are appreciating it while we have it.
	And the other thing is the first battle of the American Revolution was fought when the British came after the Americans with guns and ammunition at Lexington and Concord.
	And that is what's going to happen here.
	I and a whole lot of other people are going to fight if they come after my guns and ammo now.
	Well, you said it.
	There's no choice.
	There's no choice.
	I understand, sir.
	I appreciate your call.
	Thank you very much.
	We're going to take a break here.
	I feel it, too.
	Philip Pogue.
	Philip, there are a lot of people out there, you know, who... You know, I remember the old days of the Cold War, and we were all contemplating the possibility of the planet destroying itself.
	And a lot of people said, look, I wouldn't want to live through that, you know?
	If I knew it was coming, I'd go outside, make peace with myself, throw my arms into the air, and say, here I am.
	Kaboom.
	And they'd be out of it.
	But you don't have that mentality.
	Nevertheless, a lot of people do.
	What do you say to them?
	Well, I think, number one, we need to have a will to be.
	It's the basic instinct of life and it's the true sign of a disintegrating society when people lose the will to be.
	I think the other thing, too, is if we look at bad experiences in our own personal lives, I know in my own personal experience, in the long run, most of these bad experiences Turned out to be some of the most spiritually benefiting experiences in my life.
	That, you know, it happened in situations when I was going in the wrong direction and it stopped me and turned me around and put me in a positive course.
	And I think we need to look at our country in the same way.
	You know, we're definitely going in the wrong track, in the wrong direction.
	You just look at the crime rate.
	You look at teen suicide.
	You look at abortion.
	We've got enough problems that The natural course of spiritual evolution is going to run us into some rough water here.
	In my personal belief and experience, life is going to bring us to the point that we're going to have to confront our problems.
	It may not be comfortable, but I have children.
	I see a lot of beautiful people out there, people that have really beautiful children.
	And it's not that I fear death.
	There are some people that are into a survival mentality, like they're out to save their skin.
	My attitude comes more from a sense of mission.
	I think we have a responsibility to life, to our children, to give them an opportunity and a chance to life.
	I think life is a precious commodity.
	Getting back to the old nuclear, you know, everybody's been programmed to this idea that nuclear war is unsurvivable.
	It just ain't true.
	Period.
	They mix the whole idea of Chernobyl with nuclear war and people think that if we have nuclear war, the planet's going to be sterilized for years.
	For thousands of years, it just is not true.
	Radiation decays very quickly.
	You just need to have a little radiation shielding over your head and be able to protect yourself for about two weeks.
	I don't know about that, Philip.
	Now, a nuclear power plant is another story.
	Look, if there was a full exchange of nuclear weapons, I really buy into the nuclear winner theory.
	The nuclear power plants would all be destroyed.
	That's a problem.
	Well, yeah, it's a problem.
	That's a real problem, and I won't deny that.
	Nuclear power plants are a serious problem.
	What about the storage?
	We have all of this horrendously Poisonous high-level radiation that would get dispersed even if nothing else happened well And it would be you know they're telling us here in Nevada at Yucca Mountain They're telling us we will have to safely store the waste materials that are now scattered about for Tens of thousands of years and I agree that is a real problem.
	Well.
	Yeah, but The byproducts of the detonation of a nuclear weapon decays drastically.
	I've got all the charts.
	I've got all the certified information on it.
	It depends a little bit on the weapon used.
	They can either be fairly clean or they can be really dirty.
	Right.
	But you have to understand also that from the point of view of the Russians and the Chinese and their strategy of war fighting, they're not looking to Completely decimate, destroy the United States and make the country uninhabitable.
	No, they want to be able to come in and live in Kansas City.
	Not only that, but their whole concept of war is nuclear weapons are just one part of the strategy of war.
	They definitely include in their war fighting strategy the invasion and occupation and the use of conventional forces alongside nuclear devices.
	And they're not going to take out nuclear power plants and contaminate areas that they won't be able to use and occupy in the future.
	I mean, that's my own personal opinion.
	You know, the things that they're going to be after are command and control and military-industrial infrastructure and communication nodes and, you know, those are their primary target areas.
	And, you know, there's... I know.
	The only problem, though, is that once an exchange of that magnitude got started, Every city, I remember long ago, over about 50,000 was targeted.
	And I think it's probably every city down to about 25,000 by now.
	And once it got started, it would be hard to... I'm one of those people who thinks that once it got started, it would go all the way.
	Well, but the only problem is we got Bill Clinton there.
	He made the unilateral decision here that we're going to absorb the first hit.
	Yeah, I know.
	I've heard that.
	And, you know, they're even talking about taking the circuit cards out of the ICBM silos up here in Montana and moving them 500 miles away.
	Oh, what a good idea.
	So that we won't have any accidental launches.
	Great.
	I mean, that's like saying, take the bullets out of your gun and move them to the other side of town.
	And they've also made it more complicated for the subcommanders to make launches.
	Yes, they used to be autonomous.
	Correct.
	And the whole beauty of the submarine triad of our defensive or offensive system was, even if they took out our silos, our fixed silos, those subs would be cruising around out there.

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