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Aug. 11, 1999 - Art Bell

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you good evening, good morning, whatever the case may be, wherever you are.
		Welcome, everybody, in all these varying time zones, stretching from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands out west eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole, and worldwide on the internet.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		By the way, I guess I should do as I always do and say, if you go up to my website and download the G2 program, which is free of charge, install it in your computer, come back up tonight.
		I'm beginning to warm up for the Prince Meteor Tower, which is going to be going on.
		And I've got a shot on the screen right now, just a little bit north and east of my home of the night sky here in the desert, where it is absolutely clear.
		You come back to the Internet, click on streaming video, and you'll be able to see that now.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Welcome down to the shadows that the sun in the shadow sea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed coming up in a few moments, Sylvia Brown.
		And you should know Sylvia Brown.
		She is internationally known now as one of the world's greatest psychics.
		So you're in for a real treat tonight.
		For Sylvia Brown, it all began when she was about three years of age.
		She knew that she was different at three years of age.
		Can you imagine that?
		Sylvia Brown, without going through all of her, I mean, she's been everywhere.
		Montel Williams, Unsolved Mysteries, Sightings, Encounters, Strange Universe, In Search of, That's Incredible.
		A ⁇ E's America's Castles.
		She even starred in the CBS special Haunted Lives.
		Sylvia Brown is internationally known as one of the world's greatest psychics and has been all her life.
		And she's been on this program one other time, and that was some time ago.
		And so we are very pleased to welcome her back.
		It should be quite a night.
		It already has been quite a night.
		Here from Central California is Sylvia Brown.
		Sylvia, welcome.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's so nice to be with you again, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sylvia, boy, we are in some kind of strange time right now.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's sort of like, you know, I was thinking earlier, you know, that Dickens quote, this is the best of times and the worst of times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is that, isn't it?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It really is.
		Not only do we have people shooting up at schools, but we have all kinds of strange, like you were saying earlier, of atmospheric conditions, tornadoes hitting where they haven't hit in particular places, droughts where they never were before, heat that was tearing across, and then other places were wet and cold.
		I mean, it's really, really a phenomenon.
		I mean, the Earth is going through its own almost metamorphosis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sylvia, I am not a psychic, at least don't think I am.
		But several years ago now, I wrote a book called The Quickening, in which I predicted these weather changes were upon us, beginning, actually beginning.
		And they're here now.
		I wonder where it's headed from here.
		That might be a really good question for you.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to, you know, I'm not a doomsday, I guess you want to say prophet so much, but I think eventually and not too far distant future, maybe 30, 40 years, we're going to have to start living in domed cities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Domed cities.
		Domed cities.
		And well, you say you're not a doomsday prophet, but I don't know if people would, some people would certainly consider that kind of like doomsday.
		In other words, domed cities to protect ourselves from the ravages of what's going on on Earth.
		That's pretty bad, Sylvia.
		That's not doomsday.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		What is it?
		It's not what I mean is the end of the world, so to speak.
		But I think that because of the atmospheric conditions, it's almost like we're going to have to have some kind of controlled atmosphere because look at the heat wave that hit the east.
		I mean, people were dropping like flies.
		I mean, there was just no respite from it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you really think 30 to 40 years, and we're going to need that kind of protection from our own atmosphere.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because it's not that I want to pinpoint anyone, because, you know, we hear about the aerosol cans and all that, and I don't want to make anybody at NASA necessarily mad at me, but what really is tearing our atmosphere, and even my spirit guide says this, is the rockets that we send up because the fuel tears the atmosphere almost like a run-in-a-panty hose.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it just begins to strip through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, Sylvia, for a number of years, I would get people who would call and say, every time that we launch a satellite, or particularly the shuttle, or other large rockets, it does damage to the upper atmosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I used to scoff at that, Sylvia, until I had some scientists come on and say, no, actually, that's correct.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, see, my spirit guy told me that like 30, maybe 40 years ago, and I was like you, I said, oh, please, you know, give me a break.
		She said, no, if they start sending these atmosphere, I mean, these missiles up with this fuel, it burns right through.
		And she likened it to like a sheer gossamer top or like a panty hose type of thing, you know, in which you just literally burn it up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that, too, may be a factor.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you see, if we don't have that canopy of protection that keeps the balance oxygen, carbon monoxide, and everything, or carbon dioxide, I should say, then what are we going to have?
		See, what we have is we're slowly or poisoning ourselves.
		And the Earth, in turn, will have its revenge on us.
		Because, you see, the tragedy is we've become the enemy.
		We've become the cancer that's going on the face of this earth.
		We're cutting down our rainforest.
		We're slaughtering our animals.
		There's nothing to protect us anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard us referred to in that way before, that we are a cancer on the earth.
		You know, the Native Americans, of course, regard, talk about the earth as a living organism.
		Absolutely.
		And I'm not sure if I exactly buy that, but in my mind, the earth doesn't get angry.
		It gets even.
		Somebody said that.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I don't think the earth is necessarily sentient so much so is that, you know, like you get those little domed aquariums, you know, where you put, you know, you close it off and you begin to water it.
		Well, if you don't give it the right amount of water, the right amount of atmosphere, guess what happens?
		You know, the clothes, even the dome effect, you're going to kill the plant inside.
		And that's almost like what we're doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, Sylvia, describe if you can your psychic abilities.
		In other words, are you able to, in effect, see into our collective future as well as into...
		But are you able to also look into the collective future?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		And in many ways, some of it can be a little bit frightening.
		I mean, the fact that we're going to have some skirmishes and, you know, upsurges, but I have never, ever, and I really, let's say, plumbed the depths.
		I've never seen a big, you know, like a third world war or the ending of mankind as we know it.
		The only thing that when I was writing my book is that, and it was funny because Montel asked me a very interesting question.
		He said, okay, and we went through the whole hundred years and he said, okay, now what do you see at 2100?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I said, I don't see anything.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Now, that could be two things, because even with being psychic, I have to be practical, and I have to try to be somewhat researching and scientific.
unidentified		Either I can't see that far, or there's nothing to see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or there's nothing to see.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		There's nothing to see.
		It just turned black on me.
		I mean, that was the end of it.
		And I was so amazed, first of all, not that he asked the question, but that it went blank on me.
		I mean, I've never had anything go blank like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you tried since?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I've tried and tried, and I keep seeing nothing but just blank.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		by 2100.
		Have you tried Uh-huh.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I've been able to pretty much pinpoint years, whether it's 1999 to 2001 or 2045.
		I'm pretty close within that.
		And the only thing that I can tell you is that my spirit guide, who doesn't always help me with predictions, in a lot of cases, and it's been validated, notarized, and whatever else we had to do, is that so many of these things that she told me, very much like what Youth of the Quickening told me 20, 30 years ago, and I went, oh, haha, sure.
		What a stupid thing that is, you know.
		And then it all came about.
		So once you keep validating what is being said, then after a while you start picking up your ears and saying, wait a minute, there's something to this.
unidentified		Are you happy with your gift?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you glad that you have your gift?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I just almost said between you and I and everybody else.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just whisper it in my ear.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, because I feel so personally like you're my friend, but sometimes yes and sometimes no.
		I don't want to sound like a martyr because I've loved my life, but it's also a great burden because I won't ever lie to anybody.
		If somebody says, is my son alive?
		And I know the son is not alive, I have to say, because I made the contract with God years ago, that I never want to hurt anybody, but I won't lie either.
		So I've always said, God, whatever comes through, I want to say the truth, but I don't want to harm.
		And that's one of the hardest things, is when you have to tell a grieving mother or some other horrible thing that, yes, their worst fears are realized.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about when you look at somebody?
		And I've had this misfortune of having, I swear, Sylvia, 50% of the people that are close to me have had heart attacks or strokes in the last year.
		And maybe even a higher percentage.
		There was just another one tonight.
		And it must be true that occasionally you look at a person and you know that their time on earth is very short.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you do with that?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, the thing about it is, I've always been the kind.
		I mean, I can, I mean, I used to have a very frightening thing happen.
		I think we talked about this before when I was much younger, and I would be in a crowd or be with people.
		And if the person was going to die, I would actually see the face run, very much like what was in the Raiders of the Lost Ark, you know, when their face is melted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And I really ask God to be relieved of that.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		But no, if I'm around a person or they're with me or even on the phone, let's say, or even a letter, I can pretty much tell you that this person's time is very short.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you tell them?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, if they ask me, I don't ever volunteer it.
		But if the person, and you'd be surprised at how many people will ask, so many people more so than it used to be even 10 years ago, which, and I think that's what prompted me to write the book, is because more and more people began to ask me.
		There's always the number one question, where's Mrs. Wright?
		Where is Mr. Wright?
		But people began to ask me, how am I doing spiritually, Sylvia, which really made me feel truly marvelous.
		Not so much, I don't mind if people are churchinistic or whatever they want to be.
		I think it's fine.
		But to ask the question, Sylvia, am I on track or am I spiritual?
		I think that's a wonderful sign.
		Because you see, the minute the person asks, then you are very aware that they're already in a search.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there a way to read their degree of spirituality, how far they have come, and whether they have many more trips to make back to Earth?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		For instance, and you don't have to, you know, but this gives me a lot of information on you, is, for instance, this is your last time around.
		And even if you are not aware of what that means, it gives me a lot of information is that you really have searched in this life.
		You've thought out.
		I don't mean just because of being on the show.
		You've always been that way.
		The experiencing what's around the next corner, what causes that to happen, what makes that happen.
		See, that's also a good sign that the person is, well, it's very much like Christ said, seek and ye shall find and knock and it shall be open to you.
		A Gnostic person, G-N-O-S-T-I-C, means, you know, the reasoning, the determination to find, to seek.
		You're pretty assured then that not only the person is on their last life, but the fact that they've completed, they're going to graduate.
		And I think they're in a fury almost to find out everything they can find out.
		It's sort of like the last year of school when you run to your counselor and say, please have I taken everything, and they say, no, you've got physics and chemistry, and you say, damn it.
		But you do it anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sylvia, when you said it's your last time around, did you mean me?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sylvia, what happens after your last time around?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, it sounds sort of strange, but it's probably, I think, one of the best news that anybody can get because that means that you're graduated and you're going to go home.
		And home is a place, like we talked about briefly last time, in which it's a dimension that's right on top of this one.
		It just goes in a faster vibration, but it has libraries and music halls and lecture centers.
		And, you know, it's not some place that just has a cloud with a harp.
		If that was the case, I wouldn't even want to go.
		It would be so different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought about that, too.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It can't be that.
		It can't be that.
		And I'm not sure it can be exactly any single thing.
		I just interviewed again the producer of the most recent Robin Williams film, What Dreams May Come.
		And it almost seems to me that what comes next has to be as individual as we are said to be ourselves.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And that's why I talk about levels and degrees of happiness.
		I mean, you, you know, it's like sort of astrology.
		You can get ten Libras in the room, and maybe they're all somewhat like balance, but then from then on, you go into all kinds of different variations.
		You and I could be in the same room, but maybe your level of degree of intelligence, happiness, awareness is far deeper than mine, but just by glance, no one would know.
		So I think that that, I guess it's like Melville said, that, you know, within every man carries his heaven or hell.
		And I think that's also on the other side.
		So there's certain degrees and levels.
		But I think, again, quoting in very, very old sort of adage or whatever, isn't the symbol as full as the picture?
		Of course it is.
		And the symbol doesn't know it isn't as full as the picture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		It doesn't, doesn't it?
		All right.
		We are at the bottom of the hour.
		So hold on, Sylvia, and we'll be right back.
		All of you should know Sylvia Brown.
		She is a spiritual teacher.
		She is a psychic.
		Sylvia Brown is known internationally, I think, as one of the very best.
		And we've got a lot to talk to her about.
		For example, I have in front of me from Sylvia Brown predictions for the next hundred years.
		You just heard her say in about 40 years or so, we're all going to be living, or I guess our children's children, or perhaps some of you younger ones, in domed cities.
		I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Coast to Coast AM Joe, welcome back.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		May I ask this?
		Sylvia, How does this information come to you?
		In other words, those of us without the ability that you have find it hard to discern how it manifests itself.
		Is it something that is told to you, comes to you?
		Do you see it?
		Do you literally see it?
		Or do you mentally see it?
		Can you give a word picture of what you get?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I guess the best way, it just comes so fast, and I guess it's because I was born with it, is what I start to do every year when I do make my predictions, and this was the first time when I wrote the book, is that they asked me to do, you know, for the next whatever, as long as I could see.
		What I tried to do was pick out specifics.
		In other words, like I would start with economy, and then I would just sit and not meditate, but just let it flow through.
		And whatever would flow through, the same as what I do with individual readings, it would just come, and I would never question it.
		I would just put it down.
		Then I would go to health or international affairs, government.
		I would try to segment it so that at least it had some, it would follow through.
		Some of it jumps around, but to be very interested in some of the new breakthroughs in medicine, for instance, that came through, I was very amazed at the gene therapy that we're going to see, the eradication of a lot of the horrible known illnesses such as cancer and a lot of these other things that we're seeing like MS. But then,
		on the other side of the coin, we're seeing a lot of the immune deficiency illnesses that we can't seem to pinpoint.
		And I began to pick those up in about 1980.
		I mean, I started seeing things that they were like, I mean, I didn't have the medical name for them because I'm not a doctor, but things like fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue, candida, and I didn't know exactly what it was, but I certainly would fight with the doctors that I work with and said, now listen to me, this is not some kind of psychosomatic thing, this is a real thing.
		So along with getting rid of some of these horrible, terrible, you know, cancer and a lot of other things, we've got almost these insidious things now coming about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not the only one, Sylvia, who's come on the show and said that they see immune deficiency problems becoming almost unmanageable in the future.
		I've had quite a number of people come on and say that.
		Even my guest tomorrow night, Ed Dames, a remote viewer, said that two or three years ago.
		He said he sees this horrid immune deficiency problem.
		And you saw this back when?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this was at least, I'd say maybe 15 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		15 years ago.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I began to fight with a lot of doctors saying there is something wrong.
		And I kept saying it's kind of like a yeasty thing in the blood.
		And they said, oh, sure, right.
		But it is.
		There is a real reality to this.
		I mean, people can get yeast in their blood.
		They have these chronic fatigue.
		I mean, and I think that going back to the atmospheric conditions, it almost as if the body is responding to the fact that our atmospheric conditions are breaking down and thereby, because we're all part of one complete unit, I mean, we live in this place, is that why wouldn't it stand to reason that the cell structure would also suffer?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it does stand to reason.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I think that what I've found is that, you know, and I mean, it goes without saying, I mean, it's almost like a platitude to say that, well, you know, keep your exercise up, try to eat better, you know, try to keep your immune system up.
		And, you know, and I think that's why we're coming into an age of, see, because with every darkness, there is light that rises.
		I think that's why we're seeing a lot of hormone replacement therapy that seems to be doing wondrous things for people.
		We're seeing all kinds of now coming online gene therapy that's going to get a tremendous boost to the immune system.
		I think, and I'm certainly not a nutritionist, but I've found that people that do not, and I don't mean big fat meat, but do not keep their protein count high seem to be, from my statistics, more susceptible.
		And I don't mean just having, like I said, big fat meat all the time, but at least eating whether their preference is soy or tofu or whatever, because that seems to be the only thing that insulates the cell structure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give me a good steak any day.
		I happen to agree with you, and we better not go down that road or we're going to be in the biggest controversy you've ever seen in your whole life.
		You say that people will simply be able to walk out of their bodies when they die.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that that is coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, what do you mean by walk out of their bodies when they die?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, instead of just having it be this, you know, these horrible, what we call deathbed throes, I think we're talking about now people getting very also spiritual to the point that they are able to know when their time comes,
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		release, like the Bible says, this mortal coil, and just, I guess, for lack of a better word, will themselves to just step out of their body without going through the neurological struggles and, you know, and the pain of the physical death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, to know literally when the time is and to literally leave at.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And every doctor, anybody who's ever attended people, not just myself, which I've certainly done a lot of, but anybody in the medical field for any time, have actually seen this occur with some people.
		I mean, we talk about mind over matter, but we don't really listen to it that much.
		And it really is: I'm going to will myself to go and thereby simply release myself from this mortal coil, or very much like a person getting out of a car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you a little story that a listener told me, and you tell me if this means anything to you, but this was a young lady whose mother was dying, and she was with her in the hospital, Sylvia, and when her mother died, or just before her mother died, she literally threw herself over her mother, hugged her, and was holding her at the exact moment of death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And she swore to me up and down, Sylvia, that she felt her mother move.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Pass through her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know that.
		I felt the same thing with my own father.
		There is a, well, it's very much like what's the name of, you know, and it's even mentioned in the Bible, the quickening.
		I don't know, it's the strangest feeling.
		You really do feel like, not possession, but that a light kind of presence or like a beam of light has just entered you and then passed through.
		I mean, you really, really begin to realize then that you're so molecularly transparent that there is such a thing as the merging of the soul or emitting from the soul and going right through you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is our soul?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it in our composite beings?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I went into this very thoroughly, not only with my guide, because I never like to take one source, but so many thousands of regressions that I've done.
		And everyone, whether they're Buddhist, Christian, doesn't matter, Taoist, everyone, amazingly enough, sees the same thing.
		And I know scientists say that it's a deprivation of oxygen or whatever, but that cannot explain the fact that people have the regressive knowledge of what goes on, as well as the person who's astrally projected that knows what goes on.
		There's no deprivation of energy there, or oxygen, I should say.
		But from everything that I have been able to garner, we have a real reality to our body.
		I remember as a young girl in Missouri when my guide said, I'm more solid than you are, I said to myself, that is just absolutely insane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm more solid?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		She said, because your structure is hung together very loosely.
		You're a molecular structure.
		She said, ours on the other side is much more solid than you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		The laws of physics, she said, are almost reversed.
		We're much more solid.
		And I guess, you know, for years and years, theologians and people, whether they're esoteric or whatever, and I think Plato said it better than probably anyone.
		He said, we are very much like the shadows on the wall of the cave.
		This is the world of illusion, and the other side is the real world.
		So irregardless of what has been damaged here, from everything I've been able to garner from regressive therapy work and everything, is that the landscape is very much the same.
		I mean, the Rocky Mountains are the same, the topography is the same, except it doesn't have all the nightmare physiological changes and the horrible weather and everything else.
		It doesn't.
		It seems to be perfectly intact, and people go about their business working and still learning for God, but without the negativity that we have here, because after all, this is the school.
		This is where it is.
		This is the antithesis of the other world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But objectively, if you could stand back and you could look at both sides, you're saying that would be regarded objectively as reality.
		This is unreality.
		This is the dream.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Or I think Shakespeare even put it in good words.
		This is a stage, you know, in which we actually come out and play our parts.
		And really, we come down with purposes to learn.
		And some of us, like I said, the symbol and the, you know, the picture, some of us want PhDs.
		Some of us are very happy with just, let's say, a high school education, which is fine.
		Nobody on the other side runs around and goes, my God, I'm so much more advanced than you are.
		No, because, like I said, and you sort of touched on that.
		Isn't there sort of some difference?
		Yeah, there's levels of knowledge, there's levels of growth, but I don't think anybody knows that.
		It's just within the person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do seem to be able to know when I meet a person what level they seem to be at.
		And there are a lot of primitive people out there, very, very primitive.
		And you can tell that spiritually they've not been around, nor have they grown long.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And I think that not in, and I myself too, and not being discriminatory about it, because my God, I probably was at that point or maybe still in the point of still growing, hopefully.
		I don't ever want to feel that I haven't or won't keep growing.
		But yes, you can tell.
		They're sort of the people with the beanies with the propellers on their head, which is fine.
		I mean, but you also can tell that anyone, I think it isn't even a psychic knowledge.
		I think it's a spiritual knowledge when you can tell that a soul is more advanced.
		And we used to use the term old soul, which is kind of a misnomer because we're all as old as each other.
		I think we should say, more than that, how many lives have they had?
		That gives us more of a definitive answer than just to say an old soul because, you see, if God always was, so were all of we.
		If God decided one day to make an artist, Sylvia, then God's imperfect, and that can't be possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That cannot be possible, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sylvia, you say that we are looking at a time when there will no longer be a U.S. presidency.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A time when our government will.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It's going to be like a Greek Senate, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A Greek Senate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How far from that are we, out of curiosity?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		We are about, I'd say, at least 20, maybe 25 years from that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not very far.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there aren't going to be that many more presidencies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're four years at a time.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, and I think it's certainly not any, you know, disparaging remarks on anyone, but I think it's sort of been proven that the singular, because now, let's face it, I mean, let's be honest about the president doesn't have much power.
		It really is run Congress, Senate, whatever.
		So, I mean, how much power does the president really have?
		It's really become a figurehead situation, of which it always was.
		But to break it down in which it would be a type of Senate in which there would be many votes, I think personally, that that would be much more of a democratic situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But for that to happen, Sylvia, we have this Constitution which outlines precisely the way our government shall be, the various sectors of government.
		Right.
		And so to imagine a change in which there's no longer a presidency, but rather some sort of Greek Senate-type governing situation, would mean that our Constitution had changed in some way.
		It would mean that there had been some sort of massive political change of what sort.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't see it necessarily as a revolution, though.
		I think it becomes a gradual melding of, let's say, Congress and Senate in which it becomes very apparent that it's going to change.
		I don't think that's going to, you know, there's been so many Bill of Rights and codicles put on the original Declaration that I'm sure our forefathers will look at it and say, who the hell wrote all this?
		You know, I mean, it started out to be a very simplistic document, you know, and then we started adding everything to it.
		So I don't think it would be too unusual to say that, yeah, then we meld this group of people that would have, because if you've ever watched any Senate and congressional meetings, I mean, that's all they're doing anyway.
		I mean, they're voting on what is the best for the masses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then, kind of like the British, which slowly seem to be pulling away from their royalty.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are going to pull around.
		And Sylvia, here's a pretty good question right down the alley of what we've been talking about.
		Matthew in Bristol, Tennessee asks, would you ask, Sylvia, what would happen to the souls of those individuals who have not completed their cycle of life, in other words, reincarnated an appropriate number of times to be done, should human life suddenly cease to exist as we know it, say in the year 2100 or sooner?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I think that's why we're seeing a great influx of souls.
		If we're going to go along with that premise that I can't see beyond that point or that is ultimately the end, I think that's why we're seeing such a great amount of almost frantic, I guess you might put it, entry into this life.
		And this would also sort of stand up to the fact that why we're seeing so much horrendous things.
		It's almost like whatever you haven't finished, whatever you haven't completed, sometimes you save the worst for the last.
		And that doesn't mean that life can't be joyous and fun and that there's not a lot of spirituality and love of family and all of that.
		But still, it's like you said, wherever we look, whenever we turn on the news, there's another horrible thing happening.
		But I think that, like I said before, whenever darkness rises, light does rise to try to meet it.
		So with all of this horrifying things we have going on, I mean, people shooting up schools.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really want to ask you about that.
		Kids shooting up schools, people shooting up places where certain religious groups gather and on.
		I mean, today, the latest, the fellow was right here in Las Vegas arrested, who did the shooting in L.A. It's like almost every day now lately, something, what's going on, I have no understanding, Sylvia.
		You know, I look at these killings, these random killings, these mass killings, and I cannot get my head around why anybody would do that.
		Say they were contemplating suicide.
		These days, people are taking their family out, then going down to work, killing everybody there, and then going out.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Taking everybody else out, and then going out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then going out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What the heck is going on?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, that, again, is the frantic.
		Let's call it, for lack of a better word, it's actually what I believe it is.
		It's a kind of evil, almost fanaticism, that's rising up.
		It's, you know, my group is right, or whether it's feeling that they're the white supremacy group or whatever.
		I mean, we're getting the radicals coming out of the woodwork.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think this guy was connected, they said, to a neo-Nazi group.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is insanity.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's absolute insanity.
		I thought Nazism was defeated a long time ago.
		It must be alive and sickly well.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		God.
		I don't think it ever died.
		You know, that's the horrible thing about it.
		I think it's now.
		And see, that's what happens, too, when I think with our young people, with the gangs and everything, it's almost as if we've given people no hope.
		And you watch these teenagers, when once in a while I've caught a few of the talk shows or things like that, and it's like they don't care.
		Why not?
		We're all going to die.
		Who cares what we do?
		We'll do everything to ourselves.
		We'll go out and we'll sleep around because after all, Things are so bad anyway, how can it get worse?
		There's a fatalistic feeling afoot.
		And how many teenage suicides do we see?
		I mean, it's horrifying.
		Yet, on the other side of the spectrum, like I keep saying, there is this tremendous spiritual movement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But don't those contrasts validate the same central point?
		In other words, those who are spiritual understand what's coming and they are comfortable with it.
		The Pope made an interesting remark here recently.
		He said something about the final days are coming.
		We're nearly upon us.
		I'm paraphrasing now, but he said the world should accept it calmly.
		It was an odd comment from the Pope.
		And so on the one side, we have the spirituals saying this is happening.
		It's not necessarily awful, and we should all accept it because it's what it is, and you should accept it calmly.
		It's going to be an okay thing.
		And then the others, the lost souls, I guess we can call them, also sense the same thing, but react in a very different way.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's almost the antithesis of the other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Precisely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But they're both sensing the same pending event.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the spiritual view is, like we were saying, that this is a bad camping trip and the food isn't really that good, but we'll make the best of it and we'll kind of, like my father used to say, laugh and scratch through it.
		Where the others on the other side, and there is such a thing as darkness in the soul, I mean, anybody who doesn't know that, I think they're very deluded, is that whenever, like I said, this was almost a separation of light, and not just by Lucifer and his band of crazy men, but or women, whatever the case may be.
		But I think we have a lot of dark entities in this world.
		And I have been told, and seem to validate this again through regressions, is that when these souls cannot be rehabilitated, that God in His mercy just reabsorbs them.
		But like I say, because I lecture all over the country to four and 5,000 people, and I've always stood to the group and asked them point blank, if I were to say to you, in five minutes, the world was going to come to an end, what would you do?
		And almost in unison, people will say, we'd sit right here.
		And I always say, the worst that is going to happen is that the tunnel is crowded.
		So we'd all be saying, would you please move your tail?
		And, you know, like you do in an airplane when everybody's trying to get out.
		I think that's the worst thing that happens.
		We'd all go in tandem.
		But getting back to the question that this person, the young man, asked, I think that it would be the end of people coming in.
		I think that would be the schematic that we've gone through.
		It's the end of times in which people have completed their graduation processes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying everybody would have completed.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		But you see, when that happens, let's look at it this way.
		Not hypothetically, but almost in reality, that this has always been a place in which light fights dark.
		Wouldn't it make sense that towards the end of things, even if let's say there is 100 years left, that the darkness would rise up high and be just as belligerent and just as vehemently opposed to right as the spiritual side would be just as vehemently, like the Pope said, it's not that big a deal.
		So you have both factions saying the same thing, but it's like I'm going to get my last licks in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe not for the pope.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to get my last hurrah in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sylvia, I interviewed a truly great man who has now passed away, Father Malachi Martin.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he was wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		A hostage.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't he write hostage to the devil?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he wrote that in many other books and was close to a pope, actually two popes, advised two popes.
		He was a remarkable man.
		Yes.
		And we had an affinity, a great affinity for each other.
		And he told me many things, Sylvia.
		One of them was that there are many, what he called, perfectly possessed people walking around.
		And when he's walking down the street, he knows them when he sees them.
		And what he means by this is people who have, in effect, made their compact with what he called the dark side.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they are having successful lives.
		They may be business executives.
		They may be some of the most powerful or successful people that you know.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you can look into their eyes and you can know it instantly.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, not to be, you know, to pick out anybody in particular, and I certainly don't want to judge anybody, but from my own perspective, and this is purely from my own perspective, that it gives me the shifts to look in Manson's eyes.
		They're like hard marbles.
		I mean, and what almost validates that is the fact that he to this day believes that he did nothing wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Which I might be totally, and I'll stand and, you know, be which I might be totally, and I'll stand and, you know, be judged for this.
		But it seems to almost typify the darkness in the soul when the person says it wasn't my fault, and yet what follows them is nothing but a horror of bloodshed, terror.
		I mean, we have the Jim Joneses, we have the people like that, and they're perfectly, they think they're perfectly right within what they do.
		That's what the danger is.
		Also, too, what we're seeing, and I'm seeing a lot of, is a tremendous amount of occultism now arising.
		Not just the skin heads, but this sort of fake Messiah thing.
		You know, I'm Jesus and I'm Buddha and I'm, you know, I mean, that's crazy.
		This is crazy.
		And people are so willing to follow anyone that they're ready to elect anybody.
		And that scares me worse than anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it ought To.
		Father Martin said one other thing.
		Father Martin had been shown the third secret of Fatima, that secret which no Pope has yet been willing to make public.
		And Father Martin went so far as to tell my audience that if you can close your eyes and imagine the worst possible that you can imagine for Earth and for the people, it's worse than that.
		That's what he said.
		And with you suggesting what you see around 2100, or more accurately, don't see, I wonder if there's some sort of, sounds to me like there might be some sort of correlation.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think there is, except I don't see a great horror, you know, like Dante's Inferno with screaming souls and pitchforks and, you know, all that kind of thing.
		I think it's just the, you know, I think it's sort of like T.S. Eliot says, I think the world will end with a, he said with a bang rather than a whimper.
		I think it's going to be more of a whimper.
		I think it's much like our Lord said, it comes like a thief in the night.
		I don't think we're going to have a great horror holocaust.
		I think it's going to be more like we've talked about the insidiousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said like a thief in the night.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think he's on the lawn right now on the way toward the house.
		You make a prediction that the West Coast, which I'm not all that far from, literally will go under in the year 2026.
		Go under, Sylvia?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, it begins to submerge because, you see, it's not that unusual or that great a deal because if you've, like I have gone through Zion Canyon and some of those places and the guide will look up and say, you see, this used to be underwater because you can see the erosion of what the water eddies used to do.
		Well, how the hell did it get underwater?
		I'll tell you why, because it was a polar tilt.
		And I think that's what we're in now.
		And I think that also lends to the, you know, because we're finding out now, even ecologists have said water is coming up on certain parts of Europe and submerging, and then land is showing up on other parts.
		Alaska, the water level is coming up in some places and going down in other places.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's going down in many.
		Sylvia, I was there, and it's the doggauntest thing you ever saw.
		Trees by the gazillions are dying up there because their roots no longer reach to the water.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's really weird.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because the water is receding, and then in other places, water is coming up, and it's because, well, and that, and we get very esoteric here, too, but I think that's when we're going to see Atlantis rise, Lemuria rise, and then parts of this continent crack off.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I don't think this is the only time I'm told that about every 10,000 years, whatever, with some years tacked on maybe, that the world has gone into a polar tilt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are scientists now, Sylvia, that believe that the Earth has gone through many extinctions and rebirths.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's really what you're talking about, isn't it?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And extinctions.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, like in Alaska, like they said, you know, like the Bering Strait.
		I mean, how in the world did a lot of the Asian people get to what we call the Eskimo race?
		It's because they can walk right across the continents.
		Well, the breakdown of continents, the floating away of certain continents.
		And if you look at a map, you almost can, you know, cut it out.
		You almost can fit some of the continents into each other like a jigsaw puzzle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		You also say tsunamis will wipe out a large portion of Japan.
		You say the Hawaiian Islands will have upheaval and be the site of a new landmass.
		Now, let me tell you something, Sylvia.
		Years ago, I began interviewing Gordon Michael Scallion.
		I'm sure you know that name, man.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gordon said all of these, roughly, Sylvia, these same things, to be honest with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, he has produced a map which depicts basically the changes that you're saying are going to happen.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, except for the fact that he, I think he has, if my memory serves me right, and at my age, you don't always know, but he had it a little bit closer than I did.
		And if you really look back on what Edgar Casey had, he had it even closer still.
		I mean, he was really pinpointing around 2002 to 2011.
		I think what happens is the closer we get, this is certainly no disparaging remark on anybody, but I think the closer we get, the more we can see.
		I mean, when I was on television maybe 20, 25 years ago, and I said we're in a polar tilt, everybody went, oh my gosh.
		And then, as time went on, I began to have ecologists call me and say, what did you say again?
		What were you saying?
		What does it mean?
		And so apparently they didn't think it was that crazy.
		But 26 years certainly gives people enough.
		I know that seems like a short time, but it certainly gives us enough time to not panic and all run out and go jumping off into something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Atlantis will begin to show itself by 2023.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think there was one brief show, and I'm sure that some of the listeners must have seen it, in which Jacques Cousteau really unearthed what he thought or believed, and I respected him greatly because he wasn't given to fits of fancy,
		of temples, of, you know, of look-like civilization that was not only around the Bimini, but also Sangorini area.
		Now, it's amazing when I went to Sangorini, They have no problem.
		I mean, the whole island says, and with great conviction, you know, we are part of Atlantis.
		I mean, which is quite amazing for a whole island to say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean they just know that?
		Collectively.
		That's fascinating.
		All right.
		Hold on, Sylvia.
		We're at the bottom of the hour already.
		Sylvia Brown, an internationally known psychic, is my guest.
		I'm Mark Bell, and we'll be right back with more.
		This, of course, is coast to coast, a meteor shower just about an hour and a half away.
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unidentified		looking...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sophia, there was a couple of years ago, all of a sudden there were these reports, which incidentally began in Puerto Rico, about a strange creature called the chupacabra, which seemed to be attacking other animals.
		Then it spread into South America, Central America, Mexico, and finally up into the U.S. And then all of a sudden, like somebody turned a switch, boom, it stopped.
		Now, there are a lot of people who think that this creature and other manifestations like the Obama will swimming, the Yeti, all the rest of these things are from another dimension.
		And is that a reasonable deduction based on the way they seem to manifest?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that in, here we go again with my research, there seems to be like phylums.
		And I think there is lower phylums that for some reason, almost like a Bermuda triangle, can creep through to our world.
		Not just a tulpa, which could be a thought process that's put into being by a lot of people thinking it into being, which also has been somewhat proven.
		But yes, I do think there's different levels in which, you know, whether it's a troll or whether it's a Yeti or whatever, because too many people from different parts of the world have seen strange or similar things that have no connection with each other.
		I mean, this is way before even the news was, you know, so widespread with CNN or anything.
		And you go back in antiquity and you always get these strange creature sightings.
		It makes you sort of sit up and take notice.
		I think it's very much like Von Doniken's theories of people visiting us from outer space.
		I do believe that there is such a thing.
		Of course there is.
		I cannot believe that we're the only people in the world that inhabit this planet or that we're the only person or people that have life on this little dinky dot on the end of the Milky Way.
		But yes, I do think there's lurophylums in which let's call it a leak through or sort of a, let's call it sort of like an Earth Bermuda triangle in which they can kind of slip through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people in America for a long time really laughed hard about this.
		But if you travel into Central or South America and you talk of this, people do not laugh.
		No.
		They are very, very serious about it, and your attitude quickly changes from engaging people about this sort of thing up here and then engaging them further south of the border where so much of this has been going on.
		They get a very, very serious tone to their voice and frown on their face and they don't like to talk about it.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, somebody else asks, and this is kind of an extension of what we're talking about right now, is it possible, Sylvia, that at some point there will be an opening, a more permanent opening, rather than these scattered little peekaboo look-throughs from one dimension to another, will there be a time when the veil will lift?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I think we're seeing it now.
		Let's just look at even not so much just the movies about, let's say, spirits, although that's come greatly into the foreground with the movie Ghost and Always and now the Sixth Sense.
		But I think even with the X-Files, I think it shows that people may be as sensationalized as some of this can be.
		There still is, I think, great validity to a lot of it.
		I don't think that these entities, though, mean us harm.
		I think if that were the case and they can get here, which I'm sure they can, they could have annihilated us.
		I think they look at us almost as a colonization of people and what the hell have we done with this colonization.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people are fascinated me, asking me to have you comment on the end of the Mayan calendar, which, what is it, I believe 2012.
		And they just, for some reason, stopped their calendar in 2012.
		A coincidence?
		Or did they stop it for a reason there?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I think it could have been.
		Maybe the same as I am, you know, speaking from this point.
		Maybe they got to 2012 and said, hey, that's far enough.
		Or maybe it just all went blank.
		I've never seen the end come that quick.
		But like I do believe, and even Christ said, no man can really predict the end.
		And I do believe that.
		But it could have been just the fact that maybe their prophets or their seers or whoever it might have been might have just gone blank at that point instead, because at one point They were quoting the Aztec calendar, Mayan calendar, to be 2002.
		And then all of a sudden we heard it was 2012.
		So it begins to be very confusing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you don't see past 2100.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I wonder if you imagine that there's a 101-year limit to what you can see or whether you believe you don't see anything after 2100 because there isn't anything after 2100.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		That's what I've been in such a quandary about, and it really shook me up.
		I mean, not that the world's coming to an end because, I mean, like I said, the worst thing that happens is that we all go together.
		But the fact that I never had thought about going that far until Montel said, okay, what about 2020?
		What about 2060?
		You know, and then, okay, then what about the next hundred years?
		And all of a sudden, I just sat there and I said, I really can't see anything.
		And that sort of made me take notice.
		And like you asked me earlier, did I try again?
		Yes, many times.
		And I've tried to stretch, you know, almost like you're trying to frown it into being.
		And I can't seem to get any images of anything.
		It just blanks out on me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sylvia, if you look 50 years into the future, do you see a cacophony of things?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I mean, do you see many things and people and a tremendous amount of activity and things going on?
		And like I said, dome cities and all kinds of surgeries that are not done by scapel or scalpel, I should say, but more by a molecular device that seems to almost push away the molecular structure.
		I see so many things going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the very near term?
		We have this strange thing coming up that people are talking about this Y2K business with the computers.
		In the near term, do you see a problem, a real problem surrounding this or is it going to be a problem?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Not at all.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		The problem that I'm starting to worry about, though, is people panicking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a problem.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And the problem doesn't rest in the Y2K, but it's all the hype that's been around it, people beginning to, let's say, take money out of the bank all of a sudden.
		And then, of course, then you get the self-fulfilled prophecy.
		If we just look at it in a practical sense, in this commercialized world, do you think by any means that banks and stock markets want to lose money?
		I mean, how stupid it is to think.
		The computer dials on one, we can't turn it to two.
		They've even done dry runs on travel and aviation, and they're not having any problem with it.
		But what really scares me is people panicking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's kind of hard to tell people, look, there may be a problem.
		It may not be a big problem, but you should take some steps to prepare.
		Now, when the Red Cross and FEMA and organizations say things like that, people really take it to heart because these are normally agencies that play everything really down.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so for them to say anything at all kind of shakes people up a little bit.
		And I guess they have a responsibility to try and see to it that all of this does not become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
		But it's a hard line to walk between saying, prepare a little bit, but don't worry, it's not going to be a big deal.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I think that's the same thing, though, that we do with earthquakes, don't we?
		We have earthquake drills and we have all kinds of things.
		And it's sort of like saying, don't panic, but, you know, get under a door jam.
		So it's sort of an oxymoron situation.
		Talking to a lot of these agencies and people, I think a lot of this came out of the fact that there was so much media hype that what happened was, and you notice how all of a sudden it's calmed down, this Y2K.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I noticed was that at the beginning of the year, it all went completely bonkers.
		And we had story after story after story.
		You couldn't get away from it.
		And then, like somebody threw a switch, it stopped.
		And now I'm beginning to see stories on it again.
		I'm getting a lot of stories on it again.
		And it's like they're going to turn it on for the last part of the year here.
		Or maybe they're not.
		I don't know.
		But I'm now beginning to see suddenly more stories on Y2K.
		So I don't know.
		The way things move is pretty strange and suspect to me at times, Sylvia.
		But maybe that's just the way life is.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, I think that, and, you know, I love the phrase, there's nothing wrong about being paranoid if you've got something to be paranoid about.
		I think that we have to take precautions whether we live in an earthquake area, tornado area.
		And I think it's being wise to maybe, let's say, not let your pantry go, you know, dry.
		I mean, I don't like that anyway because I came on the fringe of depression, so that's sort of a thing with me.
		I always like to have canned goods and things like that.
		But I think the real fear is now, at least from a lot of the media that I've talked to, is that we've almost overdone this ancient mysteries thing, you know, in the ancient prophecies, that people are really beginning to panic.
		And it's the same thing that happened in the year 1000, if you look back in history.
		Everybody got terrified, ran out in the street, screamed it was Armageddon, and then how embarrassing they had to turn around and walk back inside, you know.
		And I think what we're going to see is that the next day after, you know, it strikes the new year, then the day after that we all go back to work.
		I don't think we're going to see any flip in a switch, really.
		I really can't see that, that Y2K is going to be a problem.
		Like I said, the only thing that worries me is people thinking it'll be a problem and then going out and because you could really make the whole economy crash by the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course you could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you actually, do you worry about that, Sylvia, or foresee it?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I don't foresee it nor worry about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another question people want answered is, do you anticipate actual contact with others, extraterrestrials, call them what you will, but a lot of people feel contact is near now.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I do too.
		I do too.
		And I think we've had it for ages and ages.
		Not just Von Doniken, but, you know, I was asked to be a representative even for the X-Files, and I said, you know, one of my opening, how stupid are we not to think that there aren't extraterrestrials as well as ultraterrestrials?
		Of course there are.
		And I think the thing that I would wish is, for God's sake, could they not just land where somebody could talk to them in a civilized way instead of thinking it's some kind of a, you know, and I don't mean that people are ignorant, but it's better than thinking that it's, you know, some goofy thing where somebody is just fishing and they see this bright light in the sky.
		For God's sake, let it be where intelligent people can converse with this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said extraterrestrials, and then you said ultraterrestrials.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, ultraterrestrials are what we call the spirit guides.
		Those are the spirits that have passed.
		We have a whole conglomeration of entities around us.
		I'm convinced that we have the ultraterrestrials, which, of course, are our guides and our passed over loved ones.
		And then we have the extraterrestrials, which are the planetary beings from the other side.
		I think one of the most fascinating regressions that I ever got into, and it was many, many, many years ago, when I really, really wasn't so much into UFOs and thought, well, they probably are there, but I'm not going to get too excited about it.
		Where my grandmother, on the other hand, was a great psyche in Missouri and believed in it thoroughly.
		I was sort of on the fence about it.
		And I got a hold of this man who was a very, very respected person, and I was doing a regression on him.
		And this was at the time, and I'm going to date myself, and everybody, of course, knows I'm 63 anyway, but the Brighty Murphy thing.
		And I began to ask him, it was nothing more than a weight hypnosis.
		And he began to tell me about anti-gravitational rods in which the stones of the pyramids were lifted.
		And I began to pick up and take notice.
		And then this man began to speak in this strange, funny sing-song kind of dialectic thing.
		And I thought, oh, my God, I've got another Bridie Murphy on my hands, and what the hell am I going to do with that?
		And I asked him, which I never do with any of my clients, could I please keep this tape?
		And I ran it up to Stanford to a professor friend of mine who was very deeply into linguistics.
		And he called me back sometime later.
		And he said, where did you get this?
		And I relayed to him without divulging the person's name.
		And he said, well, we don't know that much about if, you know, because after all, cuneiform and hieroglyphics were pictorial language.
		But he said, what you have here is what we can figure out phonetically as an ancient dialect.
		Now, this man was a Silicon Valley, you know, a person that had no relation to that.
		And I was so amazed by that that that's really what started the ball rolling for me was bringing in 500 people at a time to do regressive therapy on them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Sylvia, I stood in front of the Great Pyramid with Dr. Zahi Awass.
		And Dr. Hawass minces no bones.
		He says exactly what he wants to say, and he doesn't suffer fools lightly.
		And I asked Dr. Hawass about the pyramid, and he showed me how limestone could be split.
		In fact, he split a five-ton piece in front of me.
		But then when you finally get down to asking Dr. Hawass exactly how they got all of these gigantic stones, tons and tons and tons of stones onto the pyramid, his face goes blank, and he says, ah, but that is the mystery, isn't it?
		It's an impossible thing.
		It could not have been done with technology we have today, much less that which we had earlier.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, they've tried to duplicate it, as you know.
		They've tried to duplicate it time and time again.
		They can't even get the rocks down the Nile to make it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the implication clearly is that there used to be something that is no longer here now.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		My spirit guide said something very fantastic once to me.
		She said, if you notice and you draw, you look at a map and you'll see strategically, I don't know what that means really, that there are pyramids placed on different spatial grids.
		And she said they were nothing more at one time they had crystals on the top and they were like the crystal sets.
		They were like telegraph communication centers in which people could telegraph back and forth.
		Sort of like I guess you might call an early CNN.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the pyramids were not places to bury people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We know that.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then, what were they?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I think they were, and you know what's amazing?
		I think they were like telegraph centers.
		And I think they also, especially when I went up inside Cheops, which is something I'll never, never forget, because when I was walking inside of Cheops, I, of course, was the only one that happened to see it, which is not too unusual, but you get kind of exasperated because you want other people to see it.
		As I was climbing up this hot box, which was like a micro, you know, it was like an oven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I made the same trip.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I know.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't just unreal, but I knew I was going to do it no matter what.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sylvia, hold on.
		We're at the top of the hour, and we'll hold this and pick up on this as soon as we get back.
		Remarkable stuff.
		Sylvia Brown, and we're going to go to the phone shortly.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		Baby, you must there's only one love you.
		I've got for my love and needing you.
		My love for you, I'll never let it go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got for my back now to Sylvia Brown, and great to have you.
		Are you hanging in there?
		Are you still awake, Sylvia?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
		I'd like to go to the phones and see what the audience has for us.
		So if you're ready for that, let's do it.
		First time caller line, you are on the air with Sylvia Brown and Art Bell.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		This is Key Lane, Kentucky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		And my question is, our successive lives lived in a linear timeframe.
		For instance, we're all living right now in the late 20th century.
		But say, could my next life actually be skipped back to maybe the 12th century?
		Or could I perhaps have already experienced a life in maybe the 25th century?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I know exactly what you're saying.
		I think that what we have to do is take ourselves out of the now.
		In other words, God's now.
		Of course, everything is running simultaneously, but you, yourself, are in full essence now.
		If you think of it as a record, the old record, you know, that used to have the grooves in it, you're right here in this century now.
		But then, of course, you could have been in 12th century or 11th century or whatever.
		But that's all in that fancy word we call Akashic records, which is nothing more than the records of all mankind that are held by God.
		But no, you're in full essence right now.
		Everything about you, the persona, the behavioral overlays, that's you.
unidentified		Okay, and also in that same vein, is the existence in the other plane linear?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Linear meaning what?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		That it goes on for infinity?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, no, I think she means in the sense that we live a linear timeline in this dimension on Earth right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's very linear, right?
unidentified		We go hour and hour and hour and hour.
unidentified		But see, when you're talking about 459.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And when you're talking about infinity or no time, then you really run into a problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're trying to wrap your mind around such concepts.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You're trying to wrap your mind around a time when we're so time-bound here.
		But yes, let's say it's a continuum of forever.
		That's if you want to put it that way.
		Yeah, if you want to put it that way, yes, it is linear.
		It's you're there, you're living.
		I don't even want to say day by day, and I think that's where we fall into the pattern of people that have passed over, do they miss us?
		No, they don't, because even though we're going to live maybe to 80, 100 years, to them, it's like you'll be there in a few days.
		I think that's where we get so time-bound.
		We're so earthbound here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going back for a second to Egypt, which is where we were at the time of the hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did they build the pyramid, Sylvia?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I really do believe the more I've researched it, and I hate to keep talking about Vandanika.
		There's certainly much, not that he wasn't great, and he still has continued to write.
		But I really have accepted the fact, or believe it with all my heart, that they were put there by UFOs or extraterrestrials, whichever way.
		And it was some type of anti-gravitational rods or molecular displacement of some law of physics that we have no knowledge of, because that, to me, makes more sense to be able to lift those stones and plant them on there.
		And it's very much like the Bible says, someday the stones will speak.
		When I was in Egypt and went to Cheops, I said, my God, it really is almost a symbol of man's ascent, not descent, but ascent, because as I was walking up into this, you know, this horrible oven-like place, even though it was gigantic and marvelous, I began to see, like murals on the wall, which I later found out there weren't any, but I could see them.
		It was almost like watching man's passage through the different survival mechanisms of his life and then getting to the top where the open sarcophagus was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And then really a symbol of that man is set free after he climbs through these different pinnacles of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I climbed into that sarcophagus.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I climbed into it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not even going to go into that, but it was pretty strange.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It is strange.
		And, you know, they even tell stories of, you know, Napoleon spending the night.
		You know, no matter how much writing or especially chip or sound it or what they've got to do, they can't ever come up with the right reading.
		They just can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was a man in Florida who built a place called the Coral Castle.
		It was a single man who did this as he became more and more frail.
		And he moved a single men could move.
		It couldn't be done.
		And yet he did it.
		And he left hints.
		And it's a big mystery, and nobody knows exactly how it was built, kind of like the pyramids.
		He did it all in secret.
		But one man somehow in Florida moved these incredible stones that he could not possibly have moved.
		He hid that.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, then we could get into other aspects.
		They're like handle.
		The Russians have been extending with the force in the ears.
		I might sell you a bit through it.
		There's no white hand in a mouth.
		Some of the ancient limitations, but the gold over meant to move the mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Opening here, Brown.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good one.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to go not too loud.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		I've been dying to talk.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I wasn't sure that room.
unidentified		Well, I mean, I literally do read it up.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And don't think I've told you within your three years of known that I can finally move out of my whole family psychiatric test because I, you know, be a teacher, not home, be good friend, and be teaching children, you know, and we clean the vase alone.
		We've all said doesn't make any sense to us.
		It's all been a spread.
		It's so much known a racial vex most of the shit almost like it apes.
		I'm going to go different from specialists.
		That's the guides, and people accuse those angels.
		That's a defilement telling angels.
		And I've done research on this.
		Vernitchline and I pattern that we entities that have lived on this earth.
		And then we decide very much that, for instance, like let's say Art and I, and we both go over the other side and Art says, I have to come back again, which he doesn't.
		But anyway, that's another story.
		And he said, listen, Sylvie, would you watch out for me?
		And I said, I'd be glad to, that I become Art's spirit guide.
		And what your spirit guides do is they give you 100 messages a week, but we don't listen.
		See, because we've always been taught not to take our first impression.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And that's so sad because the first impression, whatever you want to call it, intuition, gut level, that's the one that's the most accurate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This then was passed to you.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This ability.
		Now, you said you submitted yourself to psychiatric care.
		That's really interesting.
		Or examination.
		How did that go?
		I mean, you walked in and sat down, made an appointment with a psychiatrist.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, and even three in this area, I mean, in California, even in Missouri.
		And I went under, at that time, at the University of Kansas City, and I went to see this Dr. Royal.
		And then here I was studied by Dr. and I have no problem with mentioning their names because they know they are, Dr. Flattner, Dr. Rennick, and because I said, you know, I just can't come to grips with all this, what I call at the time, this strange phenomena.
		And every single report, I still have them on file, said, you're very logical.
		I even took MMPI, everything.
		And they said, well, you're strong enough in your own right.
		You don't need this secondary voice.
		That was one of the pluses.
		And the fact that I was just too logical.
		I was too stable.
		And whatever was going on with me was something that they didn't know.
		And they called it a paranormal phenomenon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, they did not diagnose any.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Uh-uh.
		Not at all, ever.
		But I was going to be damned if I was going to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, how did that leave them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if they were.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		They became very great believers and put me on referral.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did they?
		That's really interesting.
		All right.
		Eastern Rockies, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello?
		Hello, I wonder if Sylvia could comment on the JFK assassination, Martin Luther King, because Ray recently...
		Yeah, does she have any knowledge on that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, sure, let's ask.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The JFK assassination, Britain.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		yeah, the JFK assassination.
		And, you know, everybody has made all kinds of, you know, whether it's Oliver Stone or whatever.
		I really don't think that Oswald did it.
		I mean, if he did do it, I think there was a great conspiracy.
		Notice how any president that really gets tremendously involved in anything that has to do with discrimination, freeing slaves, for some reason that's almost a setup for assassination.
		It's almost like, here we go again with the diabolical side of the dark side, let's say, of mankind to get rid of something that's good.
		And the best way that they do that, it seems to be, is to put them, you know, just take them right out.
		The same with Martin Luther King.
		He wanted peace.
		He wanted harmony.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the forces that opposed that peace and harmony were at least at that point stronger.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, there's a different view of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've never thought of it that way before, Silver.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And you know something too, Art, but what it did was, it's sort of like the horrible Holocaust.
		As horrible as that was, and I can speak from some authority because, I mean, my father was Jewish, it was probably the first time in history that anyone knew exactly what those people had gone through, the horror of it.
		So every horrible act, not god-oh, it's not just like these people come in to be almost like scapegoats, what's going on with the Christians that were thrown into them, Dan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there a real manifestation of good and evil?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I have never, ever, in my whole life, talked to you what we call a home, whatever you want to call, in which an evil at some other word, not evil spirits, have out.
		It's more of a living that life may be almost at both.
		I have some very fancy, I have reacted to whom we did, and we're really stuck around the same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So let's talk this about an evil entity.
		Death country.
		We take a life.
		Now, a life, at least somehow, an egregious concern.
		And doing that interview, you need to get stuff in the wrong thing or the right thing.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I don't, it's necessarily.
		I've never been what I call thrilled about capital punishment only from the standpoint of the fact that it certainly saves the taxpayers, but I don't think that that is a justifiable thing for some of these people that do horrendous crimes.
		I think it's too easy for them to tell you the truth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Too easy for them?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		easy for them.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		To take a life, whether it says an eye for an eye or a tooth for a tooth, irregular to that, I think it's too easy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You prefer the teeth taken out one at a time.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Oh, yeah.
		See, I'm much more, you know, spiritual or not, I'm much more, and I guess being a parent has a lot maybe to do with that or just being very protective.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, oh, yeah.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Somebody would hurt my eye.
		I don't care.
		I have six foot six bullies that are 260 and 70 pounds, but hurt them, and I'm going to look for you with a baseball bat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		I listened to you on 790K NSB.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Tucson.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, that's a pretty good memory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anyway, welcome.
unidentified		Thank you.
		I have two questions.
		The first is, Sylvia, what role do you think that animals play in the progression of our earth or psychic and spirituality connections?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Animals, I've always believed, and I say this on the last Montel show, are almost, and I'm convinced, not almost, they're almost like spirit guides here on this earth.
		I think they're like angels that are here.
		And what we've done to these animals is just horrific.
		In the phylum of human beings, we always call them less.
		I don't call them less.
		I call them more because in many ways, and that certainly doesn't mean that I don't love human beings because I've spent my whole life trying to take care of them.
		But look at animals.
		They have no greed.
		They have no avarice.
		They have no horrible, insidious.
		And even animals that go amok are usually because some man has either starved them or crucified them in some way.
		As far as phylums go, they're way up there.
unidentified		Okay.
		And my other question is, do you think that energy is, let's say, recorded in the environment and played back?
		Like, for example, seeing apparitions or deja vu, if you could elaborate on deja vu.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You know, take anybody in the listening audience, and I know that you can go into a house and you look at the outside and you think it's beautiful, and all of a sudden you go inside and you say, I don't know what it is, but I don't like it.
		What you're doing is you're picking up energy that's there.
		I found a lot of houses, in quotes, that were haunted, or we think they're haunted, and it really is.
		Some are inhabited by really disgruntled spirits, but also it can be a place where a lot of violence has taken place.
		And what you're doing is you're feeling the emanation of that violence.
		It's almost like a slip in time.
		There's a place called the Pacheco Path that has that.
		I mean, I don't do the Pacheco Path, and I'm pretty strong, and I can almost wing out.
		And because there's been so much horrible stuff going on that the impact of the emotion is just more than you can stand somewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sylvia, hold it right there.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		We'll be right back.
		Sylvia Brown is my guest.
		This is Coast to Coast Am from the high desert.
unidentified		Coast Am from the high desert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to Sylvia Brown.
		Sylvia, here's a question.
		Remember, you tell me to take a hike when you don't want to answer these.
		I might not want to answer this one.
		What do you know of the future of Christianity?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		I think the future of Christianity is probably more pure or going to be more pure than it's ever been.
		I think it's going to be not just with the, you know, everybody's in an uproar about the Dead Sea Scrolls, which I think have great validity, but I think we're going to get back more to the actuality of what our Lord said rather than what somebody else said that he said.
		I think that we're going to be far more purit, or let's say, Gnostic in that, that we're going to, because our Lord really wasn't prejudicial.
		He never said what so many people put in his mouth.
		You know, I've heard, I don't want to name any group or any, but you can hear sometimes on television as well, our Lord said, you know, you without sin throw the first stone, but this is what he really meant.
		And I'm saying to myself, no, that isn't what he said.
		He said exactly that and nothing else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good point.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		So I think what we're going to find is the more purest form of Christianity than this sort of man-made, let's bring all the folder all around it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, somebody also asks about families.
		And that's a good question.
		Community structures, families.
		We have mom, dad, the children.
		We still sort of have that.
		But it's changing now.
		And what do you see it moving towards?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You know, I have great hopes for that, and I think that's what's been wrong with the That should give society a good inclination that the first unit of our culture is broken.
		That's the family.
		And being what we think we are, or we call ourselves a Christian society, we've broken down that bond.
		And if we don't repair that, aside from anything else that will happen to us in the topography of the world or the air that we breathe or whatever, this is going to be the ruination of mankind if we don't pull our families together.
		Like you said, the mother, the father.
		It's the way life deals its hand.
		But nevertheless, you can try to make the best of that and try to raise your children with some kind of moral upbringing.
		We have too many latchkey children.
		We have too many kids that are just out there with no supervision and nobody cares.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your book is the other side and back.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you call it that?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Because we came from the other side, and, you know, like I said, it's a psychic's guide to our world and beyond.
		We came from the other side, and we're going to go back to the other side.
		And what's in between is what do I address?
		The phobias, the fears, the family situations, always looking for the other side of ourself when we should be looking for, you know, it's so much easier to say, I need a man in my life to make me what I am or a woman in my life to make me what I am, instead of saying, I need the other half of me to make me what I am.
		And then whatever comes along, I'll just have that as an adjunct to myself.
		I think we've got to get back to that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time caller align, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Oh, hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		Is this Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		Oh, hi.
unidentified		First of all, I have to tell you how much I enjoy your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, pray tell?
unidentified		Oh, I'm Ginny from Ohio.
		Okay.
		And I'm nervous because I've never called in before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's nothing to it.
unidentified		Sylvia, I think you're just wonderful.
		And I had a question about just psychic abilities in general.
		Ever since I was a little girl, I just, I know things.
		It just was something that's always been part of me.
		I know.
		My mom was always really good about it.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Thank God for that.
unidentified		Yeah, well, she hit it herself and my grandma.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, see, I think it is.
		I have to believe scientifically, aside from being from God, I have to believe that the soul, the altman, whatever you want to call it, is presupposed to a genetic strain.
		I really do believe that.
		But I do believe also that people can be taught to be somewhat psychic.
unidentified		Well, that was my question.
		Because I have always believed that it was a gift from God.
		Because I've run across people that they think you're, I don't know, if you have any ability or some evil, weird person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, that's terribly mythical.
		But you know what?
		And, of course, I'm a great Bible reader.
		I've read all, you know, people say, Bible, I say, which version?
		There's 26 versions of it.
		And the one thing they quote is Deuteronomy, you know, is that don't consort with seers and sorcerers.
		Well, who the hell is a seer and sorcerer?
		I don't know anything if I were to meet one.
		And yet the Bible in itself is full of prophecy.
		Right.
		I think that that probably was a way of controlling.
		You know, I've had people say, well, if you teach everybody to be psychic, we'll be out of business.
		And I think, well, who cares?
		If we all could have a psychic spiritual sense.
		See, I think for years and years they tried to separate it.
		It's not separate.
		Because if you're truly a psychic, then you truly feel that you have some connection with the Holy Spirit.
		And I don't mean as being humble, but I mean, it's a great gift and it has to be guarded very, very closely.
		You can't ever use it for your own good.
unidentified		Well, that's another thing, too.
		I was going to ask if you've ever found, for my friends or people, well, strangers even, I just, I've only a few times have heard voices where I thought I was losing my mind.
		And as I've gotten older, I've got older.
		Right.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		What I have found by sort of coming out of the closet, my secrets, I've always been out of the closet with it.
		But I think it's given people, if I haven't done anything else in this world, it's given them hope that if, good Lord, if she can come out and proclaim that she's this, then maybe I can too.
		Because it takes, I think that takes one of the most bravest things to do is to proclaim to the world that you do feel and sense.
		And what I've found so gratifying is people say to me, Sylvia, I've always felt, like you just said, I've always felt this way, but I was afraid to say it to anybody.
unidentified		Well, around here, I'm from a small town, so I get a lot of explanation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're also afraid to explore it.
		In other words, all of society teaches you you don't do that.
		You don't explore these feelings.
		You don't try to tune in.
		You tune out.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Right.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		You live to somebody that's had greater wisdom than you, and don't you dare try to develop yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Answer the telephone.
		Have a career.
		Go to work.
		Raise children.
		Do all these things that we do in life.
		And society pressures you to do those and not the other.
unidentified		Well, and I'm in the medical profession, so with my training, too, it was so scientific.
unidentified		I guess through college I blocked a lot of it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You know, because they teach you that things like this don't exist because they're not in a textbook.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In college, the pressure would be even greater to be very specifically focused narrowly on an academic acquisition of knowledge.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, and you said something very valid to me when she said, I don't know how I know.
		See, that's what I have to always say to people.
		And it sounds like such a dumb answer, but I don't know how to explain it any other way.
		How do you know, Sully?
		I know because I know, and I don't know how I know it, but I know that I know it from the tip of my toes to the top of my hair.
		It's just a sense of knowing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's not really something you can explain.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, and don't you find it amazing that we could be great musicians, we could be great singers, we could have ability to be great artists.
		Nobody questions that, but then you start talking about something that has to do with the mind.
		Everybody says, oh, God, that's crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Yes, they do.
		The other side back, again, your book, how long has it been out, Sylvia?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It just came out the second that it hit number one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Say that again?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It came out August 2nd, and it just now hit number one on the bestseller list.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's number one on the New York bestseller list.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it came out August 2nd.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		You're kidding!
		No, I'm not.
unidentified		This is August 12th, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It took 11 days to get it?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Actually, they say it took six days, but they couldn't print it yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good Lord, Sylvia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that I've seen that occur before.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, my publisher said it's never been heard of.
unidentified		Holy smokes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You must be very proud, very happy.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm very thankful to God, and I'm very pleased.
		I mean, it's and I think what prompted me to write the book was, like I told you in the beginning of this, is that everybody kept asking me, you know, and after 40 some odd years of doing research, I thought, well, why not put it down?
		I had no really, because I'm not psychic about myself, I had no expectations that it would take off like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, give us an encapsulation of the book itself.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		is it exactly what it says is it a a description of I talk about everyday magic and miracles, the spiritual psychic view of relationships and families.
		I talk about how to view your health, your scan of your body, how to discover your past lies.
		On and on it goes.
		And then what we were talking about, you know, the predictions, that's also in the book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is magic real?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		And I don't mean stirring a cauldron in the backyard and running around naked in the full moon.
		I'm talking about, yes, certainly there's miracles and magic.
		You know, love, I think, when you're in love, that's a magical thing.
		It's something that transcends everything.
		I think if we can use it in, I mean the most reverent terms.
		I think God is magic.
		It's just a marvelous feeling of euphoria.
		Yeah, it happens.
		You know, it's sort of like the caller before that's the deja vu.
		It's sort of like that wash that you get, that it's not only familiarity, but that bliss, as Joseph Campbell talks about, that once in a while we're privy to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		All right.
		My goodness, number one.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
unidentified		Hi, Sylvia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, I can barely hear you.
unidentified		Sorry, Duane from Calgary, Alberta?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Calgary, yes, sir.
unidentified		And I was wondering, Sylvia, if this other side you're talking about, how it compares to the astral plane and written by some other author.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It's really, well, you know, there's so many words for it, you know, and I've never been too much into, and I'm certainly not knocking anybody, I don't mean to, the esoteria is no different than the astral plane.
		Now, there's different levels.
		I mean, you can go astrally out of your body and wander around above the trees, you know, and not go anywhere.
		But there are people who have been very adept at astral projection that have actually gone to the other side and brought back the same information that a person who has gone through a death and dying experience.
		And that's what I was telling Art earlier, that there's, how could you say that's deprivation of oxygen?
		But the astral plane usually refers to more or less going out of your body.
		Now, if you're talking about the upper plane, or let's say the dimensional vibrational plane of the other side, then that's a whole entirely different place.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown and Art Bell.
		Good morning.
		Good morning.
		Yes, sir.
		Where are you?
		I'm in Lynn, Massachusetts.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I wanted to know what you thought about, Sylvia, what you think about exorcisms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exorcisms?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, actually a very good question.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		It is a very good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think that based on what I've heard you say earlier, you would have some doubt about them because you don't seem to feel that there is an external evil force precisely that inhabits that way.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		And I do believe with all my heart there's a privacy act that God gives all of us.
		It's an interesting thing.
		In researching, I've found out that people that have a very strong, let's say, religion mystic background will be possessed by a devil.
		A person who has had a very historical background are more apt to be possessed by Napoleon.
		It seems to be almost in reference to what our knowledge is.
		And let's face it, there's many facets of our mind.
		The woman that was talking to us earlier about the linear living lives on a linear plane, let's say that in this record that your needle for some reason can skip a groove, which would also make sense in what we call the multiples.
		In other words, if my needle happened to skip, I could be a French boy.
		I could be, you know, like Sybil or like Trudy.
		It really isn't an evil entity.
		I've always known that it was the emotional side of the brain that has encompassed the intellect, which can take the form of like a possession.
		And don't get me wrong, I've used with a priest, I have been where I have actually used the Pauline book, which you will go through the whole exorcism because I'm convinced that if the person believes that, then you use whatever you need to use to help them with that.
		But myself personally, no.
		I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no evil entity that can inhabit a person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They surely can believe that, though, can't they?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		And create, well, we know for a fact, and it's been demonstrated in laboratories, that a person can be hypnotized and you put an ice cube on their arm and tell them it's hot poker and a blister will come up.
		So a person can be programmed so much, though, that, you know, that, let's face it, it's like brainwashing.
		The person actually believes it.
		And the expression, I'm beside myself, really takes on new meaning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sylvia, I always ask guests as we approach this final hour of the program whether they feel like going to bed or whether they have one more hour, and I always leave it in your hands to make that decision.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		No, that's fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have to?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		We've come this far.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Let's just go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's go, huh?
		All right, let's fit one in then.
		West of the Rockies, you're on here with Sylvia Brown.
		Hi.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Hi.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		I am Ace of the Rockies.
		I'm in California.
		Right.
		Sylvia, I have not been able to put your book down since I read it, and I have, I think, found my spirit guide.
		It may sound sort of funny, and I don't think that's a good idea.
		I keep wondering if maybe Francine can tell me if this name is really real that I keep finding.
		But could you tell me, is there any way I can, through my spirit guide, more effectively try and meet this person I'm wanting to see on the other side?
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, and I say, you know, to even the people that are listening, it's very easy.
		It's not that complex.
		I mean, a short version would be to just think of yourself at a seashore, put your feet in the sand, put your back against the palm tree, and say, look, would you please identify yourself, come out of the shadows, come with God, surround yourself with the white light of the Holy Spirit?
		Not because I think there's anything evil.
		It's just nice protection, not to get a lot of slots of injection that runs through the air.
		And more times than not, as quick as I told you this, a person can get into a very relaxed state and really be very surprised that they meet someone that is there for them.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give it a try.
unidentified		I certainly will.
unidentified		And you've got to read the book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Apparently so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody else certainly is.
unidentified		Number one of the books.
unidentified		Hey, I saw it on the internet, read a chapter of it on the internet before I actually got the book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that was it, huh?
unidentified		That was it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you, dear.
		And everybody.
unidentified		Thank you very, very much.
unidentified		Thank you, Sylvia.
sylvia browne ▲ ● ▼		All right, darling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold on, Sylvia.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		On the first part of the journey, I was looking all the lights.
		There were plants and birds and rocks and things that planted hills and things.

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