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Aug. 11, 1999 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Tim Hughes - Sylvia Browne - Glenn Kimball - Linda Moulton Howe

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	Thank you.
	♪♪ From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid
	you good evening, good morning, whatever the case may be, wherever you are.
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	Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the pole, and worldwide on the Internet.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	And by the way, I guess I should do as I always do and say, If you go up to my website and download the G2 program, which is free of charge, install it in your computer, come back up.
	Tonight, I'm beginning to warm up for the Perseid meteor shower, which is going to be going on, and I've got a shot on the screen right now, just a little bit north and east of my home, of the night sky, here in the desert, where it is absolutely clear.
	You come back to the internet, click on streaming video and you'll be able to see that now.
	It is indeed coming up in a few moments, Sylvia Brown.
	And you should know Sylvia Brown.
	She is internationally known now as one of the world's greatest psychics.
	So you're in for a real treat tonight.
	For Sylvia Brown, it all began when she was about three years of age.
	She knew that she was different At three years of age.
	Can you imagine that?
	Sylvia Brown, without going through all of her... I mean, she's been everywhere.
	Montel Williams, Unsolved Mysteries, Sightings, Encounters, Strange Universe.
	In Search Of, that's incredible.
	A&E's America's Castles.
	She even starred in the CBS special Haunted Lives.
	Sylvia Brown is internationally known as one of the world's greatest psychics, and has been all her life.
	And she's been on this program one other time, and that was some time ago, and so we are very pleased to welcome her back.
	It should be quite a night.
	It already has been quite a night.
	Here from Central California is Sylvia Brown.
	Sylvia, welcome.
	Oh, it's so nice to be with you again, Art.
	Sylvia, boy, we are in some kind of strange time right now.
	Yeah, it's sort of like, you know, I was thinking earlier, you know, that Dickens quote, this is the best of times and the worst of times.
	It is that, isn't it?
	It really is.
	Not only do we have people shooting up schools, but we have all kinds of strange, like you were saying earlier, atmospheric conditions, tornadoes hitting where they haven't
	yet in particular places, droughts where they never were before, heat that was
	tearing across, and then other places that were wet and cold.
	I mean, it's really, really a phenomenon.
	I mean, the Earth is going through its own almost metamorphosis.
	Sylvia, I am not a psychic, at least don't think I am, but several years ago now, I wrote a book called The Quickening, in which I predicted these weather changes were upon us, beginning, actually beginning, and they're here now.
	And I wonder where it's headed from here.
	That might be a really good question for you.
	Well, I don't want to, you know, I'm not a doomsday I guess you want to say profit so much, but I think eventually, and not too far distant future, maybe 30, 40 years, we're going to have to start living in domed cities.
	Domed cities?
	Uh-huh.
	Domed cities!
	And, well, you say you're not a doomsday prophet, but, you know, that's, I don't know if people would, some people would certainly consider that Uh, kind of like Doomsday, in other words, domed cities to protect ourselves from the ravages of what's going on on Earth.
	That's pretty bad, Sylvia.
	That's not Doomsday, what is it?
	Yeah, it's not the, you know, it's not what I mean is the end of the world, so to speak, but I think that because of the atmospheric conditions, it's almost like we're going to have to have some kind of controlled atmosphere, because Um, look at the heat wave that hit the east.
	I mean, people were dropping like flies.
	I mean, there was just no respite from it.
	I know.
	So you really think 30 to 40 years, and we're going to need that kind of protection from our own atmosphere?
	Yeah, because it's not that I want to pinpoint anyone, but you know, we hear about the aerosol cans and all that, and I don't want to make anybody NASA necessarily mad at me, but what really is tearing our
	atmosphere, and even my spirit guide says this, is the rockets that we send up because the
	fuel tears the atmosphere almost like a run in a pantyhose.
	I mean it just begins to strip through.
	You know, Sylvia, for a number of years I would get people who would call and say every
	time that we launch a satellite, or particularly the shuttle, or other large rockets, it does
	damage to the upper atmosphere.
	And I used to scoff at that, Sylvia, until I had some scientists come on and say, no, actually, that's correct.
	Yeah.
	Well, see, my spirit guide told me that like 30, Maybe 40 years ago, and I was like you, I said, oh, please, you know, give me a break.
	She said, no, if they start sending these missiles up with this fuel, it burns right through.
	And she likened it to like a sheer Gossamer top or like a pantyhose type of thing, you know, in which you just literally burn it up.
	Great.
	So, that, too, may be a factor.
	Yeah, and you see, if we don't have that canopy of protection that keeps the balance of oxygen, carbon monoxide, and everything, or carbon dioxide, I should say, then what are we going to have?
	See, what we have is we slowly are poisoning ourselves, and the Earth, in turn, will have its revenge on us, because, you see, the tragedy is we've become the enemy.
	We've become the cancer that's growing on the face of this Earth.
	We're cutting down our rainforests.
	We're slaughtering our animals.
	There's nothing to protect us anymore.
	I've heard us referred to in that way before, that we are a cancer on the earth.
	You know, the Native Americans, of course, talk about the earth as a living organism.
	Absolutely.
	And I'm not sure if I exactly buy that, but in my mind, Um, the Earth doesn't get angry, it gets even.
	That's right.
	Somebody said that on our program.
	I don't think the Earth is necessarily sentient so much so is that, you know, like you get those little domed aquariums, you know, where you put, you know, you close it off.
	Right.
	And you begin to water it.
	Well, if you don't give it the right amount of water, the right amount of atmosphere, guess what happens?
	You know, the closed, even the dome effect, You're going to kill the plan inside, and that's almost like what we're doing.
	Sylvia, describe, if you can, your psychic abilities.
	In other words, are you able to, in effect, see into our collective future as well as... I know you do a lot of individual readings and that kind of thing, but are you able to also look into the collective future?
	Oh, yeah.
	And in many ways, some of it can be a little bit frightening.
	I mean, the fact that we're going to have some skirmishes and upsurges, but I have never, ever, and I've really, let's say, plumbed the depths.
	I've never seen a big, you know, like a third world war or the ending of mankind as we know it.
	The only thing that when I was writing my book is that It was funny, because Montel asked me a very interesting question.
	He said, OK, and we went through the whole hundred years, and he said, OK, now what do you see at 2100?
	Yes.
	I said, I don't see anything.
	Now, that could be two things, because even with being psychic, I have to be practical, and I have to try to be somewhat researching and scientific.
	Either I can't see that far, or... Or there's nothing to see.
	Or there's nothing to see?
	There's nothing to see.
	It just turned black on me.
	I mean, that was the end of it.
	And I was so amazed, first of all, not that he asked a question, but that it went blank on me.
	I mean, I've never had anything go blank like that.
	Have you tried since?
	I've tried and tried, and I keep seeing nothing but just blank.
	Oh, my God.
	By 2100?
	Mm-hmm.
	Have you tried...
	Are you able to actually calibrate it by century, or can you get right down to years?
	I've been able to pretty much pinpoint years, whether it's 1999 to 2001 or 2045.
	I'm pretty close within that.
	The only thing that I can tell you is that my spirit guide, who doesn't always help me with predictions, In a lot of cases, and it's been validated and notarized and whatever else we had to do, is that so many of these things that she told me, very much like what used to be quickening, told me 20, 30 years ago, and I went, oh, haha, sure.
	What a stupid thing that is.
	And then it all came about.
	Once you keep validating what is being said, then after a while you start picking up your ears and saying, wait a minute, there's something to this.
	Are you happy with your gift?
	Are you glad that you have your gift?
	Like I was going to say, I just almost said between you and I and everybody else.
	Just whisper it in my ear.
	Well, because I feel so personally like you're my friend.
	Sometimes yes, and sometimes no.
	I don't want to sound like a martyr, because I've loved my life, but it's also a great burden.
	Because I won't ever lie to anybody.
	If somebody says, is my son alive?
	And I know the son is not alive.
	I have to say, because I made the contract with God years ago, that I never want to hurt anybody, but I won't lie either.
	So I've always said, God, whatever comes through, I want to say the truth, but I don't want to harm.
	And that's one of the hardest things, is when you have to tell a grieving mother or some other horrible thing that, yes, their worst fears are realized.
	What about when you look at somebody, and I've had this misfortune of having, I swear, Sylvia, 50% of the people that are close to me have had heart attacks or strokes in the last year.
	Maybe even a higher percentage.
	There was just another one tonight and it must be true that occasionally you look at a person and you know that their time on earth is very short.
	Absolutely.
	What do you do with that?
	Well you know the thing about it is I've always been the kind I mean I can I mean I used to have a very frightening thing happen I think we talked about this before when I was much younger and I would be in a crowd or be with people And if the person was going to die, I would actually see the face run, very much like what was in the Raiders of the Lost Ark, you know, when their faces melted.
	Yes.
	And I really ask God to be relieved of that.
	But no, when I'm around a person, or they're with me, or even on the phone, let's say, or even a letter, I can pretty much tell you that this person's time is very short.
	Do you tell them?
	If they ask me, I don't ever volunteer it, but if the person, and you'd be surprised at how many people will ask, so many people more so than it used to be even ten years ago, and I think that's what prompted me to write the book, is because more and more people began to ask me, there's always the number one question, where's Mrs. Wright, where's Mr. Wright?
	But people began to ask me, how am I doing spiritually, Sylvia, which really made me feel truly marvelous.
	Not so much, I don't mind if people are churchinistic or whatever they want to be.
	I think it's fine, but to ask the question, Sylvia, am I on track or am I spiritual?
	I think that's a wonderful sign, because you see, the minute the person asks, then you are very aware that they're already in a search.
	Is there a way to read their degree of spirituality, how far they have come, and whether they have many more trips to make back to Earth?
	Absolutely.
	For instance, and you don't have to, you know, but this gives me a lot of information on you, is for instance, this is your last time around.
	And even if you are not aware of what that means, it gives me a lot of information is that you really have You've searched in this life.
	You've thought out.
	I don't mean just because of being on the show.
	You've always been that way.
	Experiencing what's around the next corner, what causes that to happen, what makes that happen.
	See, that's also a good sign that the person is, well, it's very much like Christ said, seek and ye shall find and knock and it shall be opened to you.
	A Gnostic person, G-N-O-S-T-I-C, means, you know, the Reasoning, the determination to find, to seek, you're pretty assured then that not only the person is on their last life, but the fact that they've completed, they're going to graduate.
	And I think they're in a fury almost to find out everything they can find out.
	It's sort of like the last year of school when you run to your counselor and say, please have I taken everything?
	And they say, no, you've got physics and chemistry and you say, well, damn it.
	But you do it anyway.
	Sylvia, when you said it's your last time around, did you mean me?
	Yes.
	Oh.
	Sylvia, what happens after your last time around?
	Well, actually, it sounds sort of strange, but it's probably, I think, one of the best news that anybody can get, because that means that you're graduated and you're going to go home.
	And home is a place Like we talked about briefly last time, in which it's a dimension that's right on top of this one.
	It just goes at a faster vibration, but it has libraries and music halls and lecture centers and, you know, it's not some place that just has a cloud with a harp.
	If that was the case, I wouldn't even want to go.
	It would be so depressing.
	I thought about that, too.
	Oh, yeah.
	It can't be that.
	No.
	It just can't be that.
	And I'm not sure it can be exactly any single I just interviewed again the producer of the most recent Robin Williams film, What Dreams May Come, and it almost seems to me that what comes next has to be as individual as we are said to be ourselves.
	Exactly, and that's why I talk about levels and degrees of happiness.
	I mean you know it's like sort of astrology you can get ten Libras in the room and maybe
	they are all somewhat like balanced but then from then on you go into all kinds of different
	variations.
	You and I could be in the same room but maybe your level of degree of intelligence, happiness,
	awareness is far deeper than mine but just by glance no one would know.
	So I think that I guess it's like Melville said that within every man carries his heaven
	And I think that's also on the other side.
	So there's certain degrees and levels.
	But I think, again, quoting a very, very old sort of adage or whatever, isn't the symbol as full as the picture?
	Of course it is.
	And the symbol doesn't know it isn't as full as the picture.
	That's true.
	It doesn't, does it?
	All right, we are at the bottom of the hour, so hold on, Sylvia, and we'll be right back.
	All of you should know Sylvia Brown.
	She is a spiritual teacher.
	She is a psychic.
	Sylvia Brown is known internationally, I think, as one of the very best.
	And we've got a lot to talk to her about.
	For example, I have in front of me, from Sylvia Brown, Predictions for the next hundred years.
	You just heard her say, in about 40 years or so, we're all going to be living, or I guess our children's children, or perhaps some of you younger ones, in domed cities.
	I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Welcome back.
	Yes.
	May I ask this?
	Sylvia, how does this information come to you?
	In other words, those of us without the ability that you have find it hard to discern how it manifests itself.
	Is it something that is told to you?
	Comes to you?
	Do you see it?
	Do you literally see it?
	Or do you mentally see it?
	Or can you give a word picture of what you get?
	I guess the best way, it just comes so fast, and I guess it's because I was born with it, is what I start to do every year when I do make my predictions, and this was the first time when I wrote the book is that they asked me to do, you know, for the next whatever, as long as I could see.
	What I tried to do was pick out specifics, in other words, like I would start with economy, and then I would just sit and not meditate, but just Let it flow through and whatever would flow through, the same as what I do with individual readings, it would just come and I would never question and I would just put it down.
	Then I would go to health or international affairs, government.
	I would try to segment it so that at least it would follow through.
	Some of it jumps around but I would be very interested in some of the New breakthroughs in medicine, for instance, that came through.
	I was very amazed at the gene therapy that we're going to see, the eradication of a lot of the horrible known illnesses, such as cancer and a lot of these other things that we're seeing, like MS.
	But then, on the other side of the coin, we're seeing a lot of the immune deficiency illnesses that we can't seem to pinpoint.
	began to pick those up in about 1980.
	I mean, I started seeing things that they were like.
	I mean, I didn't have the medical name for them because I'm not a doctor, but things like fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue.
	Yes.
	Candida.
	And I didn't know exactly what it was, but I certainly would fight with the doctors that I work with and said, listen to me, this is not some kind of psychosomatic thing.
	This is a real thing.
	So along with getting rid of some of these Horrible, terrible, you know, cancer and a lot of other things.
	We've got almost these insidious things now coming about.
	You're not the only one, Sylvia, who's come on the show and said that they see immune deficiency problems becoming almost unmanageable.
	Right.
	In the future, I've had quite a number of people come on and say that.
	Even my guest tomorrow night, Ed Dames, a remote viewer, said that two or three years ago.
	He sees this horrid immune deficiency problem, and you saw this back when?
	Oh, this was at least, I'd say maybe 15 years ago.
	15 years ago?
	Mm-hmm.
	You see... And I began to fight with a lot of doctors saying there is something wrong, and I kept saying it's kind of like a yeasty thing in the blood, and they said, oh sure, right, you know, and so But it is.
	There is a real reality to this.
	I mean, people can get yeast in their blood.
	They have these chronic fatigue.
	I mean, and I think that going back to the atmospheric conditions, it's almost as if the body is responding to the fact that our atmospheric conditions are breaking down and thereby, because we're all part of one complete unit, I mean, we live in this place.
	Is that why wouldn't it stand to reason that the cell structure would also suffer?
	Well, it does stand to reason.
	It does.
	Yeah.
	And I think that what I found is that, you know, and I mean, it goes without saying, I mean, it's almost like a platitude to say that, well, you know, keep your exercise up, try to eat better, you know, try to keep your immune system up.
	And, you know, and I think that's why we're coming into an age of See, because with every darkness there's light that rises.
	I think that's why we're seeing a lot of hormone replacement therapy that seems to be doing wonderful things for people.
	We're seeing all kinds of now coming online gene therapy that's going to get a tremendous boost to the immune system.
	I think, and I'm certainly not a nutritionist, but I've found That people that do not, and I don't mean big fat meat, that do not keep their protein count high, seem to be, from my statistics, more susceptible.
	And I don't mean just having, like I said, big fat meat all the time, but at least eating, whether their preference is soy or tofu or whatever, because that seems to be the only thing that insulates the cell structure.
	Ah, give me a good steak any day.
	I happen to agree with you, and we better not go down that road, or we're going to be in the biggest controversy you've ever seen in your whole life.
	You say that people will simply be able to walk out of their bodies when they die.
	Right.
	And that is coming.
	Now, what do you mean by walk out of their bodies when they die?
	Well, instead of just having it be this You know, these horrible, what we call, deathbed throes, I think we're talking about now, people getting very spiritual to the point that they are able to know when their time comes, release, like the Bible says, this mortal coil, and just, I guess, for lack of a better word, will themselves to just step out of their body without going through the neurological
	The pain of the physical death.
	In other words, to know literally when the time is, and to literally leave.
	That's right.
	And every doctor, anybody who's ever attended people, not just myself, which I've certainly done a lot of, but anybody in the medical field for any time, has actually seen this occur with some people.
	And we talk about mind over matter, but we don't really listen to it that much.
	And it really is, I'm going to will myself to go, and thereby simply release myself from this mortal coil, or very much like a person getting out of a car.
	Let me tell you a little story that a listener told me, and you tell me if this means anything to you, but this was a young lady whose mother was dying, and she was with her in the hospital, Sylvia, and when her mother died, or just before her mother died, She literally threw herself over her mother, hugged her, and was holding her at the exact moment of death.
	And she swore to me, up and down, Sylvia, that she felt her mother move through her.
	Yes, ma'am.
	Yes, I know that.
	I felt the same thing with my own father.
	There is a, well, it's very much like what the name of, you know, and it's even mentioned in the I don't know, it's the strangest feeling.
	You really do feel like, not possession, but that light kind of presence, or like a beam of light has just entered you and then passed through.
	I mean, you really, really begin to realize then that you're so molecularly transparent that there is such a thing as the merging of the soul.
	emitting from the soul and going right through you.
	What is our soul?
	Is it in our composite beings?
	I went into this very thoroughly, not only with my guide, because I never like to take
	one source, but so many thousands of regressions that I've done.
	And everyone, whether they're Buddhist, Christian, doesn't matter, Taoist, everyone amazingly
	enough sees the same thing.
	And I know scientists say that it's a deprivation of oxygen or whatever, but that cannot explain
	the fact that people have the regressive knowledge of what goes on, as well as the person who's
	astrally projected that knows what goes on.
	There's no deprivation of energy there.
	I'm more solid?
	I should say, but from everything that I have been able to garner we have a real reality
	to our body.
	I remember as a young girl in Missouri when my guide said, I'm more solid than you are.
	I said to myself that is just absolutely insane.
	I'm more solid?
	Uh-huh.
	She said because your structure is crumpled together very loosely.
	You're a molecular structure.
	She said ours, on the other side, is much more solid than you are.
	I see.
	The laws of physics, she said, are almost reversed.
	We're much more solid.
	And I guess, you know, for years and years, theologians and people, whether they're esoteric or whatever, and I think Plato said it better than probably anyone, he said we're very much like the shadows on the wall of the cave.
	This is the world of illusion, and the other side is the real world.
	So, irregardless of what has been damaged here, from everything I've been able to garner from regressive therapy work and everything, is that the landscape is very much the same.
	I mean, the Rocky Mountains are the same, the topography is the same, except it doesn't have all the nightmare Physiological changes and the horrible weather and everything else.
	It doesn't.
	It seems to be perfectly intact and people go about their business working and still learning for God, but without the negativity that we have here because after all, this is the school.
	This is where it is.
	This is the antithesis of the other world.
	But objectively, if you could stand back and you could look at both sides, you're saying That would be regarded objectively as reality.
	This is the unreality.
	This is the dream.
	That's right.
	I think Shakespeare even put it in good words.
	This is a stage, you know, in which we actually come out and play our parts and really we come down with purposes to learn.
	And some of us, like I said, the thimble and the You know, the picture, some of us want PhDs, some of us are very happy with just, let's say, a high school education, which is fine.
	Nobody on the other side runs around and goes, my God, I'm so much more advanced than you are.
	No, because like I said, and you sort of touched on that, isn't there sort of some difference?
	Yeah, there's levels of knowledge, there's levels of growth, but I don't think anybody knows that, it's just within the person.
	I do seem to be able to know, when I meet a person, what level they seem to be at.
	And there are a lot of primitive people out there.
	Very, very primitive.
	And you can tell that spiritually they've not been around, nor have they grown long.
	Exactly.
	Not in myself, too, and not being discriminatory about it, because my God, I probably was at that point, or maybe still in the point of still growing, hopefully.
	I don't ever want to feel that I haven't or won't keep growing, but yes, you can tell.
	There's sort of the people with the beanies with the propellers on their head, which is fine, I mean, but you also can tell that Anyone, I think it isn't even a psychic knowledge.
	I think it's a spiritual knowledge when you can tell that a soul is more advanced.
	We used to use the term old soul, which is kind of a misnomer because we're all as old as each other.
	I think we should say, more than that, how many lives have they had?
	That gives us more of a definitive answer than just to say an old soul.
	You see, if God always was, so were all of we.
	If God decided one day to make it art and it's Sylvia, then God's imperfect and that can't be possible.
	That cannot be possible, right?
	Sylvia, you say that we are looking at a time when there will no longer be a U.S.
	Presidency.
	That's right.
	A time when our government will refer... It'll be like a Greek Senate, yeah.
	A Greek Senate?
	How far from that are we, out of curiosity?
	We are about, I'd say, at least 20, maybe 25 years from that.
	That's not very far.
	No, it's not.
	So, there aren't going to be that many more presidencies.
	There are four years at a time.
	No, and I think it's certainly not any discouraging remark on anyone, but I think it's Sort of been proven that the singular, because now, let's face it, I mean, let's be honest about it, the President doesn't have much power.
	It really is run Congress, Senate, whatever.
	So I mean, how much power does the President really have?
	It's really become a figurehead situation, which it always was.
	But to break it down in which it would be a type of Senate in which there would be many votes, I think, personally, that that would be much more of a democratic situation.
	But for that to happen, Sylvia, we have this Constitution, which outlines precisely the way our government shall be, the various sectors of government.
	Right.
	And so, to imagine a change in which there's no longer a presidency, but rather some sort of Greek Senate-type governing situation would mean that our Constitution Yeah, I don't see it necessarily as a revolution, though.
	I think it becomes a gradual melding of, let's say, Congress and Senate, in which it becomes very apparent that it's going to change.
	I don't think that's going to, you know, there's been so many Bill of Rights and codicils put on The original declaration that I'm sure our forefathers would look at and say, who the hell wrote all this?
	You know, I mean, it started out to be a very simplistic document, you know, and then we started adding everything to it.
	So I don't think it'd be too unusual to say that, yeah, then we'd meld this group of people that would have, because if you've ever watched any Senate and Congressional meetings, I mean, that's all they're doing anyway.
	I mean, they're voting on what is the best for the masses.
	So then, kind of like the British, which slowly seem to be pulling away from their royalty, we are going to pull around and Sylvia, here's a pretty good question right down the alley of what we've been talking about.
	Matthew in Bristol, Tennessee asks, would you ask Sylvia, what would happen to the souls of those individuals who have not completed their cycle of life, in other words reincarnated, I think that's why we're seeing a great influx of souls.
	life suddenly ceased to exist as we know it, say in the year 2100 or sooner?
	I think that's why we're seeing a great influx of souls.
	If we're going to go along with that premise that I can't see beyond that point or that
	is ultimately the end, I think that's why we're seeing such a great amount of almost
	Frantic, I guess you might put it, entry into this life.
	This would also sort of stand up to the fact that why we're seeing so much horrendous things.
	It's almost like whatever you haven't finished, whatever you haven't completed, sometimes you save the worst for the last.
	That doesn't mean that life can't be joyous and fun and that there's not a lot of spirituality and love of family.
	All of that, but still, it's like you said, wherever we look, whenever we turn on the news, there's another horrible thing happening.
	Yes.
	But I think that, like I said before, whenever darkness rises, light does rise to try to meet it.
	So, with all of this horrifying things we have going on, I mean, people shooting up schools.
	I really want to ask you about that.
	Kids shooting up schools, people shooting up Uh, places where certain religious groups gather, and on.
	I mean, today, the latest, uh, the fellow was right here in Las Vegas, arrested, who did the shooting in L.A.
	It's like, almost every day now, lately, something... What's going on?
	I have no understanding, Sylvia.
	You know, I look at these killings, these random killings, these mass killings, and I cannot get my head around Why anybody would do that?
	Say they were contemplating suicide.
	These days, people are taking their family out, then going down to work, killing everybody there, and then... Taking everybody else out, and then going out.
	And then going out.
	What the heck is going on?
	Well, see, that, again, is the frantic... Let's call it, for lack of a better word, it's actually what I believe it is.
	It's a kind of evil, almost fanaticism, that's rising up.
	You know, my group is right, whether it's feeling that they're the white supremacy group or whatever.
	I mean, we're getting the radicals coming out of the woodwork.
	Yeah, I think this guy was connected, they said, to a neo-Nazi group.
	Absolutely.
	This is insanity.
	It is.
	I mean, it's absolute insanity.
	I thought Nazism was defeated a long time ago.
	It must be alive and sickly well.
	I don't think it ever died.
	You know, that's the horrible thing about it.
	I think it's now.
	And Steve, that's what happens, too, when I think with our young people, with the gangs and everything, it's almost as if we've given people no hope.
	And you watch these teenagers when once in a while I've caught a few of the talk shows or things like that and it's like they don't care.
	Why not?
	We're all going to die.
	Who cares what we do?
	You know, we'll do everything to ourselves.
	We'll go out and we'll sleep around because, after all, things are so bad anyway.
	How can it get worse?
	There's a fatalistic feeling afoot.
	And how many teenage suicides do we see?
	I mean, it's horrifying.
	Yet, on the other side of the spectrum, like I keep saying, there is this tremendous spiritual movement.
	Don't those contrasts validate the same central point?
	In other words, those who are spiritual understand what's coming, and they are comfortable with it.
	The Pope made an interesting remark here recently.
	He said something about the final days are coming, or nearly upon us.
	I'm paraphrasing now, but he said the world should accept it calmly.
	It was an odd comment from the Pope.
	So, on the one side we have the spirituals saying, this is happening, it's not necessarily awful, and we should all accept it because it's what it is, and you should accept it calmly.
	It's going to be an okay thing.
	And then the others, the lost souls, I guess we can call them, also sense the same thing, but react in a very different way.
	It's almost the antithesis of the other.
	Precisely.
	But they're both sensing The same pending event?
	Well, I think the spiritual view is, like we were saying, that this is a bad camping trip and the food isn't really that good, but we'll make the best of it.
	We'll kind of, like my father used to say, laugh and scratch through it.
	Where the others on the other side, and there is such a thing, has darkness in the soul.
	I mean, anybody who doesn't know that, I think they're very deluded.
	Is it whenever, like I said, this was almost a separation of light, and not just by Lucifer and his band of crazy men, or women, whatever the case may be, but I think we have a lot of dark entities in this world, and I have been told, and seem to validate this again through regressions, is that when these souls cannot be rehabilitated, that God in his mercy just reabsorbs them.
	But like I say, because I lecture all over the country to 4,000 and 5,000 people, and I've always said to the group, and ask them point blank, if I were to say to you, in five minutes, the world was going to come to an end, what would you do?
	And almost in unison, people will say, we'd sit right here.
	And I always say, the worst that is going to happen is that the tunnel is crowded.
	So we'd all be saying, would you please move your tail, like you do in an airplane when everybody's trying to get out.
	I think that's the worst thing that happens.
	We'd all go in tandem.
	But getting back to the question that the young man asked, I think that it would be the end of people coming in.
	I think that would be the schematic that we've gone through.
	It's the end of times in which people have completed their graduation process.
	So you're saying everybody would have?
	But you see, when that happens, let's look at it this way.
	Not hypothetically, but almost in reality, that this has always been a place in which light fights dark.
	Wouldn't it make sense that towards the end of things, even if let's say there is 100 years left, that the darkness would rise up high and be just as belligerent and just as vehemently Opposed to right as the spiritual side would be just as vehemently
	like the Pope said it's not that big a deal So you have both factions saying the same thing, but it's
	like I'm gonna get my last lick of him Maybe not for the public get my last
	Hurrah in Sylvia I interviewed a truly great man who has now passed
	away father Malachi Martin
	Mm-hmm.
	Oh, he was wonderful.
	Yes.
	A hostage.
	Wouldn't he write Hostage to the Devil?
	Yes, he wrote that and many other books and was close to a pope, actually two popes, advised two popes.
	He was a remarkable man.
	Yes.
	And we had an affinity, a great affinity for each other, and he told me many things, Sylvia.
	One of them was that there are many, what he called, perfectly possessed people walking around and when he's walking down the street he knows them when he sees them and what he means by this is people who have in effect made their compact with what he called the dark side that's right
	And they are having successful lives.
	They may be business executives.
	They may be some of the most powerful or successful people that you know.
	Right.
	But you can look into their eyes and you can know it instantly.
	Well, not to pick out anybody in particular, and I certainly don't want to judge anybody, but from my own perspective, and this is purely from my own perspective, It gives me the shivers to look in Manson's eyes.
	They're like hard marbles.
	And what almost validates that is the fact that he, to this day, believes that he did nothing wrong.
	Oh, I know.
	Which I might be totally, and I'll stand and be judged for this, but it seems to almost typify the darkness in the soul when the person says, It wasn't my fault, and yet what follows them is nothing but a horror of bloodshed, terror.
	I mean, we have the Jim Joneses, we have the people like that, and they think they're perfectly right within what they do.
	That's what the danger is.
	Also to what we're seeing, and I'm seeing a lot of, is a tremendous amount of occultism now arising.
	I know.
	This sort of fake messiah thing, you know, I'm Jesus and I'm Buddha and I'm, you know, I mean, that's crazy.
	This is crazy.
	And people are so willing to follow anyone that they're ready to elect anybody.
	And that scares me worse than anything.
	Well, it ought to.
	Father Martin said one other thing.
	Father Martin had been shown the third secret of Fatima, that secret which No Pope has yet been willing to make public.
	And Father Martin went so far as to tell my audience that if you can close your eyes and imagine the worst possible that you can imagine for Earth and for the people, it's worse than that.
	That's what he said.
	And with you suggesting What you see around 2100, or more accurately, don't see, I wonder if there's some sort of, sounds to me like there might be some sort of correlation.
	Yeah, I think there is, except I don't see a great horror, you know, like Dante's Inferno with screaming souls and pitchforks and, you know, all that kind of thing.
	I think it's just the You know, I think it's sort of like T.S.
	Eliot says, I think the world will end with a, he said, with a bang rather than a whimper.
	I think it's going to be more of a whimper.
	I think it's much like our Lord said, it comes like a thief in the night.
	I don't think we're going to have a great horror holocaust.
	I think it's going to be more like we've talked about, the insidiousness.
	You said like a thief in the night?
	Yeah.
	Well, I think he's on the lawn right now, on the way toward the house.
	You make a prediction that the West Coast, which I'm not all that far from, literally will go under in the year 2026.
	Go under, Sylvia?
	Well, it begins to submerge because, you see, it's not that unusual or that great a deal because If you like, I have gone through the Zion Canyon and some of those places and the guide will look up and say, you see this used to be underwater because you can see the erosion of what the water eddies used to do.
	That's right.
	How the hell did it get underwater?
	I'll tell you why.
	Because it was a polar tilt.
	And I think that's what we're in now.
	And I think that also lends to the, you know, because we're finding out now even Ecologists have said water is coming up on certain parts of Europe and submerging, and then land is showing up on other parts.
	Alaska, the water level is coming up in some places and going down in other places.
	Oh, it's going down in many.
	Sylvia, I was there and It's the doggone thing you ever saw.
	Trees by the gazillions are dying up there because their roots no longer reach to the water.
	Right.
	It's really weird.
	Yeah, because the water is receding and in other places water is coming up and it's because, well, and that, and we get very esoteric here too, but I think that's when we're going to see Atlantis rise, Lemuria rise, and then parts of this continent Crack off.
	I don't think this is the only time I'm told that about every 10,000 years, whatever, with some years tacked on maybe, that the world has gone into a polar tilt.
	There are scientists now, Sylvia, that believe that the Earth has gone through many Extinctions and rebirths.
	Absolutely.
	And that's really what you're talking about, isn't it?
	Right.
	An extinction cycle.
	Well, in Alaska, like they said, you know, like the Bering Strait, I mean, how in the world did a lot of the Asian people get to what we call the Eskimo races because they could walk right across the continents?
	Well, the breakdown of continents, the floating away of certain continents.
	And if you look at a map, You almost can, you know, cut it out.
	You almost can fit some of the continents into each other like a jigsaw puzzle.
	That's correct.
	You also say tsunamis will wipe out a large portion of Japan.
	You say the Hawaiian Islands will have upheaval and be the site of a new landmass.
	Now, let me tell you something, Sylvia.
	Years ago, I began interviewing Gordon Michael Scallion.
	I'm sure you know that name, man.
	Yes, I do.
	Gordon said all of these Roughly, Sylvia, these same things, to be honest with you.
	In fact, he has produced a map which depicts, basically, the changes that you're saying are going to happen.
	Yeah, except for the fact that he, I think he has, if my memory serves me right, and at my age you don't always know, but he had it a little bit closer than I did.
	And if you really look back on what Edgar Cayce had, He had it even closer still.
	I mean, he was really pinpointing around 2002 to 2011.
	I think what happens is, the closer we get, this is certainly no disparaging remark on anybody, but I think the closer we get, the more we can see.
	I mean, when I was on television maybe 20, 25 years ago, and I said, we're in a polar tilt, everybody went, oh my God, and then, As time went on, I began to have ecologists call me and say, what did you say again?
	What were you saying?
	What does it mean?
	And so apparently, they didn't think it was that crazy.
	But 26 years certainly gives people enough.
	I know that seems like a short time, but it certainly gives us enough time to not panic and all run out and go jumping off into something.
	It's true.
	Atlantis will begin to show itself by 2023.
	Well, I think there was one brief show And I'm sure that some of the listeners must have seen it, in which Jacques Cousteau really unearthed what he thought, or believed, and I respect him greatly, because he wasn't given to fits of fancy, of temples, of, you know, look-like civilization that was not only around the Bimini, but also
	Sandorini area. Now it's amazing when I went to Sandorini, they have no problem. I mean the whole
	island says, and with great conviction, you know, we're part of Atlanta. I mean,
	which is quite amazing for a whole island to say that. You mean they just know that collectively?
	That's fascinating.
	All right, hold on, Sylvia.
	We're at the bottom of the hour already.
	Sylvia Brown, an internationally known psychic, is my guest.
	I'm Art Bell, and we'll be right back with more.
	This, of course, is coast to coast, a meteor shower just about an hour and a half away.
	I can see her lying back in her satin dress, in a room where you do what you don't confess. Sundown, you'd better
	take care if I find you've been creeping round my back steps. Sundown, you'd better take care if I find you've
	been creeping round my back steps.
	She's been looking...
	Sylvia, there was a couple of years ago, all of a sudden there were these reports which incidentally began in Puerto
	Rico about a strange creature.
	called the Chupacabra, which seemed to be attacking other animals.
	Then it spread into South America, Central America, Mexico, and finally up into the U.S., and then all of a sudden, like somebody turned a switch, boom, it stopped.
	Now, there are a lot of people who think that this creature and other manifestations like the abominable snowman, the Yeti, all the rest of these things, are from another dimension and is that a reasonable deduction based on the way they seem to you know manifest yeah I think that in here we go again with my research there seems to be you know like phylums and I think there is lower phylums that for some reason almost like a Bermuda Triangle can creep through to our world not just a tulpa which could be
	A thought process that's put into being by a lot of people thinking it into being, which also has been somewhat proven.
	But yes, I do think there's different levels in which, you know, whether it's a troll or whether it's a Yeti or whatever, because too many people from different parts of the world have seen strange or similar things that have no connection with each other.
	I mean, this is way before even the news was.
	Um, you know, so widespread with CNN or anything, and you go back in antiquity and you always get these strange creature sightings.
	Yes.
	It makes you sort of, um, sit up and take notice.
	I think it's very much like Vondonican's, um, theories of people visiting us from outer space.
	I do believe that there is such a thing.
	Of course there is.
	I cannot believe that we're the only people in the world that inhabit planet or that we're the only person or people that have
	life on this little dinky dot on the end of the Milky Way. But yes, I do think
	there's more asylums in which, let's call it a leak-through or sort of a,
	let's call it a sort of like an Earth-Bermuda triangle in which they can
	kind of flip through.
	A lot of people in America for a long time really laughed hard about this, but
	if you travel into Central or South America and you talk of this,
	People do not laugh.
	No.
	They are very, very serious about it, and...
	Your attitude quickly changes from engaging people about this sort of thing up here and then engaging them further south of the border where so much of this has been going on.
	They get a very, very serious tone to their voice and frown on their face and they don't like to talk about it.
	Right.
	Anyway, somebody else asks, and this is kind of an extension of what we're talking about right now, is it possible, Sylvia, that at some point There will be an opening, a more permanent opening, rather than these scattered little peek-a-boo look-throughs from one dimension to another.
	Will there be a time when the veil will lift?
	Yeah, and I think we're seeing it now.
	Let's just look at even, not so much just the movies about Let's say spirits, although that's come greatly into the foreground with the movie Ghost and Always and now The Sixth Sense.
	But I think even with the X-Files, I think it shows that people may be as sensationalized as some of this can be.
	There still is, I think, great validity to a lot of it.
	I don't think that these entities, though, mean us harm.
	I think if that were the case, and they can get here, which I'm sure they can, They could have annihilated us.
	I think they look at it almost as a colonization of people, and what the hell have we done with this colonization?
	A lot of people are faxing me, asking me to have you comment on the end of the Mayan calendar, which, what is it, I believe 2012, and they just for some reason stopped their calendar in 2012.
	A coincidence?
	Did they stop it for a reason there?
	I think it could have been.
	Maybe the same as I am speaking from this point.
	Maybe they got to 2012 and said, hey, that's far enough.
	Or maybe it just all went blank.
	I've never seen the end come that quick.
	But like I do believe, and even Christ said, no man can really predict the end.
	And I do believe that.
	But it could have been just the fact that maybe their prophets, or their seers, or whoever it might have been, might have just gone blank at that point.
	Because at one point they were quoting the Aztec calendar, Mayan calendar, to be 2002.
	Then all of a sudden we heard it was 2012.
	So it begins to be very confusing.
	But you don't see past 2100?
	No.
	I wonder if you imagine that there's a 101-year limit to what you can see, or whether you believe you don't see anything after 2100, because there isn't anything after 2100.
	That's what I've been in such a quandary about, and it really shook me up.
	I mean, not that the world's coming to an end, because, I mean, like I said, the worst thing that happens is that we all go together, but the fact that I never had thought about going that far until Montel said okay what about 2020 what about 2060 you know and then he's okay then what about the next hundred years and all of a sudden I just sat there and I said I really can't see anything and that sort of made me take notice and like you asked me earlier did I try again yes many times and I've tried to stretch you know almost like you're
	I'm trying to frown it into being, and I can't seem to get any images of anything.
	It just blanks out on me.
	Sylvia, if you look 50 years into the future, do you see a cacophony of things?
	Do you see many things and people?
	Yes.
	A tremendous amount of activity and things going on.
	Like I said, dome cities and all kinds of What about the very near term?
	by scalpel, but more by a molecular device that seems to almost push away the molecular
	structure.
	I see so many things going on.
	What about the very near term?
	We have this strange thing coming up that people are talking about, this Y2K business
	with the computers.
	Do you, in the near term, do you see a problem, a real problem surrounding this?
	Not at all.
	The problem that I'm starting to worry about, though, is people panicking.
	Yes, oh yes, well that's a problem.
	Yeah, and the problem doesn't rest in the Y2K, but it's all the hype that's been around that people Beginning to, let's say, take money out of the bank all of a sudden.
	Right.
	Then, of course, you know, then you get the self-fulfilled prophecy.
	If we just look at it in a practical sense, in this commercialized world, do you think, by any means, that banks and stock markets want to lose money?
	No.
	I mean, how stupid is to think?
	The computer dials on one, we can't turn it to two.
	They've even done dry runs on travel and aviation, and they're not having any problem with it.
	But what really scares me is people panicking.
	Well, it's kind of hard to tell people, look, there may be a problem.
	It may not be a big problem, but you should take some steps to prepare.
	Now, when the Red Cross and FEMA and organizations say things like that, people Really take it to heart, because these are normally agencies that play everything really down.
	Right.
	And so for them to say anything at all kind of shakes people up a little bit.
	And I guess they have a responsibility to try and see to it that all of this does not become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
	But it's a hard line to walk between saying, prepare a little bit, but don't worry, it's not going to be a big deal.
	Right.
	I think that's the same thing, though, that we do with earthquakes, don't we?
	We have earthquake drills, and we have all kinds of things, and it's sort of like saying, don't panic, but, you know, get under a door jam, you know?
	So it's sort of an oxymoron situation.
	Talking to a lot of these agencies and people, I think a lot of this came out of the fact that there was so much media hype that What happened was, and you noticed how all of a sudden it calmed down, this Y2K.
	Well, what I noticed was that at the beginning of the year, it all went completely bonkers.
	And we had story after story after story.
	You couldn't get away from it.
	And then, like, somebody threw a switch.
	It stopped.
	And now I'm beginning to see stories on it again.
	I'm getting a lot of stories on it again, and it's like they're going to turn it on for the last part of the year here.
	Or maybe they're not, I don't know, but I'm now beginning to see suddenly more stories on Y2K.
	So, I don't know, the way things move is pretty strange and suspect to me at times, Sylvia, but maybe that's just the way life is.
	No, I think that, and you know, I love the phrase, there's nothing wrong about being paranoid if you've got something to be paranoid about.
	I think that we have to take precautions whether we live in an earthquake area, tornado area, and I think it's being wise to maybe let's say not let your pantry go dry.
	I don't like that anyway because I came on the fringe of depression so that's sort of a thing with me.
	I always like to have canned goods and things like that.
	I think the real fear is now, at least from a lot of the media that I've talked to, is that we've almost overdone this ancient mysteries thing, you know, and the ancient prophecies, that people are really beginning to panic.
	And it's the same thing that happened in the year 1000, if you look back in history.
	Everybody got terrified, ran out in the street, screamed it was Armageddon, and then how embarrassing, they had to turn around and walk back inside, you know.
	And I think what we're going to see is that The next day after, you know, it strikes, you know, the new year, then the day after that we all go back to work.
	I don't think we're going to see any whip in a switch, really.
	I really can't see that, that Y2K is going to be a problem.
	Like I said, the only thing that worries me is people thinking it'll be a problem, and then going out and... Because you could really make the whole economy crash.
	Well, of course you could.
	Do you actually...
	Worry about that, Sylvia, or foresee it?
	I don't foresee it, nor worry about it.
	Okay.
	Another question people want answered is, do you anticipate actual contact with others?
	Extraterrestrials, call them what you will, but a lot of people feel contact is near now.
	Oh, I do, too.
	I do, too, and I think we've had it for Ages and ages and not just Vondonican but you know I was asked to be a representative even for the X-Files and I said you know one of my opening how stupid are we not to think that there aren't extraterrestrials as well as ultra-terrestrials of course there are and I think the thing that I would wish is for God's sake could they not just land where somebody could talk to them in a civilized way instead of thinking it's some kind of a
	You know, and I don't mean that people are ignorant, but it's better than thinking that it's, you know, some goofy thing where somebody is just fishing and they see this bright light in the sky.
	For God's sake, let it be where intelligent people can converse with this.
	You said extraterrestrials, and then you said ultra-terrestrials.
	What do you mean?
	Well, ultra-terrestrials are what we call the spirit guides.
	Those are the spirits that have passed.
	We have a whole conglomeration of entities around us.
	I'm convinced that we have the ultra-terrestrials, which of course are our guides and our passed over loved ones, and then we have the extra-terrestrials, which are the planetary beings from the other side.
	I think one of the most fascinating regressions that I ever got into, and it was many, many, many years ago, when I really, really wasn't I'm not going to get too excited about it.
	My grandmother on the other hand was a great psychic in Missouri and believed in this thoroughly.
	I was sort of on the fence about it.
	I got a hold of this man who was a very, very respected person and I was doing a regression on him.
	This was at the time, and I'm going to date myself and everybody knows I'm 63 anyway, The Bridey Murphy thing, and I began to ask him.
	It was nothing more than a weight hypnosis, and he began to tell me about anti-gravitational rods, in which the stones of the pyramids were lifted.
	And I began to pick up and take notice, and then this man began to speak in this strange, funny, sing-song kind of dialectic thing, and I thought, oh my God, I've got another Bridey Murphy on my hands, and what the hell am I going to do with that?
	And I asked him, which I never do.
	With any of my clients could I please keep this tape and I ran it up to Stanford to a professor friend of mine who was very deeply into linguistics and he called me back sometime later and he said where did you get this and I related to him without divulging the person's name and said well we don't know that much about if you know because after all cuneiform and hieroglyphics were pictorial language but he said What you have here is what we can figure out phonetically is an ancient dialect.
	Now, this man was a Silicon Valley, you know, person that had no relation to that.
	And I was so amazed by that, that that's really what started the ball rolling for me, was bringing in 500 people at a time to do regressive therapy on them.
	Well, Sylvia, I stood in front of the Great Pyramid with Dr. Zahi Awass.
	And Dr. Huas makes minces no bones.
	He says exactly what he wants to say, and he doesn't suffer fools lightly.
	And I asked Dr. Huas about the pyramid, and he showed me How limestone could be split.
	In fact, he split a five-ton piece in front of me.
	Right.
	But then when you finally get down to asking Dr. Hawass exactly how they got all of these gigantic stones, tons and tons and tons of stones onto the pyramid, his face goes blank and he says, ah, but that is the mystery.
	Isn't it?
	It's an impossible thing.
	It could not have been done with technology we have today, much less that which we had... No, they've tried to duplicate it, as you know.
	They've tried to duplicate it time and time again.
	They can't even get the rocks down the Nile to make it.
	I know.
	So, the implication clearly is that there used to be something that is no longer here now.
	My spirit guide said something very fantastic once to me.
	She said if you notice and you draw, you look at a map and you will see strategically, I don't know what that means really, that there are pyramids placed on different spatial grids.
	And she said they were nothing more.
	At one time they had crystals on the top and they were like the crystal sets.
	They were like telegraphs.
	Uh, communication centers in which people could telegraph back and forth.
	Sort of like, I guess you might call it early CNN.
	Well, the pyramids were not places to bury people.
	We know that.
	Absolutely not.
	Uh, so then what were they?
	I think they were, and you know what's amazing?
	I think they were like telegraph centers.
	And I think they also, especially when I went up inside CHEOPS, which is something I'll never, Never forget, because when I was walking inside of Cheops, I, of course, was the only one that happened to see it, which is not too unusual, but you get kind of exasperated because you want other people to see it.
	As I was climbing up this hot box, which was like a micro, you know, it was like an oven.
	I made the same trip, I know.
	I know.
	It wasn't just unreal, but I knew I was going to do it, no matter what.
	Sylvia, hold on.
	We're at the top of the hour, and we'll hold this and pick up on this as soon as we get back.
	Remarkable stuff.
	Sylvia Brown, and we're going to go to the phone shortly.
	I'm Art Bell.
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	And great to have you.
	Are you hanging in there?
	Are you still awake, Sylvia?
	Oh, of course I am.
	All right, good.
	I'd like to go to the phones and see what the audience has for us.
	All right.
	If you're ready for that, let's do it.
	First time caller on the line, you are on the air with Sylvia Brown and Art Bell.
	Good morning.
	Yes, sir.
	This is Keela in Kentucky.
	Yes, ma'am.
	And my question is, our successive lives, I know exactly what you're saying.
	For instance, we are all living right now in the late 20th century, but say could my
	next life actually be skipped back to maybe the 12th century or could I perhaps have already
	experienced a life in maybe the 25th century?
	I know exactly what you are saying.
	I think that what we have to do is take ourselves out of the now.
	In other words, God is now, of course everything is running simultaneously, but you, yourself,
	are in full essence now.
	If you think of it as a record, the old record that used to have the grooves in it, you are
	right here in this century now, but then of course you could have been in the 12th century
	or 11th century or whatever, but that is all in the now.
	That fancy word we call Akashic Records, which is nothing more than the records of all mankind that are held by God.
	But no, you're in full essence right now.
	Everything about you, the persona, the behavioral overlay, that's you.
	Okay, and also in that same vein, is the existence in the other plane linear?
	Linear meaning what?
	That it goes on for infinity?
	In other words, no.
	I think she means in the sense that we live a linear timeline In this dimension on Earth right now, it's very linear, right?
	We know hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour to hour Yeah, if you want to put it that way, yes, it is linear.
	You're there, you're living.
	I don't even want to say day by day.
	And I think that's where we fall into the pattern of people that have passed over, do they miss us?
	No, they don't, because even though we're going to live maybe 80, 100 years to them, it's like you'll be there in a few days.
	I think that's where we get so time-bound.
	We're so Earth-bound here.
	Going back for a second to Egypt, which is where we were at the top of the hour.
	How did they build the pyramid, Sylvia?
	I really do believe, the more I've researched it, and I hate to keep talking about Vondonka, and there's certainly much, not that he wasn't great, and he still continues, and has continued to write, but I really have accepted the fact, or believe it with all my heart, that they were put there by UFOs, or extraterrestrials, whichever way, and it was some type of anti-gravitational rods or molecular displacement of some
	law of physics that we have no knowledge of because that to me makes more sense to be able to lift
	those stones and plant them on there and it's very much like the bible says someday that stones will
	speak when i was in egypt and went to chiapas i said my god it really is almost a symbol of
	man's ascent Not descent, but ascent.
	Because as I was walking up into this, you know, this horrible oven-like place, even though it was gigantic and marvelous, I began to see, like murals on the wall, which I later found out there weren't any, but I could see them.
	It was almost like watching man's passage through the different survival mechanisms of his life and then getting to the top.
	Where the open sarcophagus was, and then really a symbol of that man is set free after he climbs through these different pinnacles of time.
	I climbed into that sarcophagus.
	Yeah.
	I'm not even going to go into that, but it was pretty strange.
	It is strange, and they even tell stories of Napoleon spending the night You know, no matter how much they sound it or what they try to do, they can't ever come up with the right reading.
	They just can't.
	There was a man in Florida who built a place called the Coral Castle.
	It was a single man who did this as he became more and more frail, and he moved stone.
	No single man could move.
	It simply couldn't be done.
	And yet, He did it, and he left hints, and it's a big mystery, and nobody knows exactly how it was built, kind of like the pyramids.
	He did it all in secret, but one man, somehow, in Florida, moved these incredible stones that he could not possibly have moved, and he hid them.
	Well, see, then we could get into the other aspect of it.
	Like, the Russians have been, you know, Alright, um, let me see if we're on the all good one.
	You're gonna have to go not loud.
	to it. No white hands. You're going to be able to tell some of the ancient ideas of
	Asia that they don't over-mention. Not to lose the mind.
	All right, um, let me see your brown hair. All good, ma'am.
	Hello? Oh, hi.
	You're going to have to go not loud.
	Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, hi.
	Oh, um, I've been dying to talk. Um, I was in that room, uh, listening to about stuff.
	Did you hear me?
	Uh, say what?
	Well, um, I think, you know, I've been able to read about, um, the history of the world.
	And don't think I'd like it.
	And that is why I would be able to tell you.
	After three years of knowing that I think I was only out of my hole for my psychiatric test.
	Because, uh, you know, be a teacher at home, uh, you get a friend and you teach your children, you know, and... I would say it was basically all we've all said.
	Doesn't make sense to argue with a good old dentist friend.
	It's a minority of the information that we all work with most of the day, almost like an ape to them.
	I've been doing research on this.
	I'm going to go into a different discussion.
	That's disguised and people confuse those angels.
	That's a defilement.
	I'm entirely angelic.
	I'm not a spy.
	And I've done research on this.
	I've done a lot of research on this.
	For instance, let's say Art and I, and we both go over to the other side, and Art says, I have to come back again, which he doesn't, but anyway, that's another story.
	And he said, listen, Scobie, would you watch out for me?
	And I said, I'd be glad to, that I become Art's spirit guide.
	And what your spirit guides do is they give you a hundred messages a week, but we don't listen, because we've always been taught not to take our first impression.
	That's right.
	And that's so sad, because the first impression Whatever you want to call it, intuition, gut level, that's the one that's the most accurate.
	This, then, was passed to you?
	Yes.
	Now, you said you submitted yourself to psychiatric care, that's really interesting, or examination.
	How did that go?
	I mean, you walked in and sat down, made an appointment with a psychiatrist?
	Well, actually, and even three in this area, I mean in California, even in Missouri, and I went under At that time at the University of Kansas City and I went to see this Dr. Royal and then here I was studied by Dr. and I have no problem with mentioning their names because they know they are Dr. Flattner, Dr. Rennick and because I said you know I just can't come to grips with all this what I called the time this strange phenomena and every single report I still have them on file said you're very large I even took MMPI everything and they said well
	You're strong enough in your own right, you don't need this secondary voice.
	That was one of the pluses, and the fact that I was just too logical, I was too stable, and whatever was going on with me was something that they didn't know, and they called it a paranormal phenomenon.
	They did?
	In other words, they did not diagnose any... Uh-uh.
	Not at all, ever.
	But I was going to be damned if I was going to... Well, then how did that leave them?
	I mean, if they were... They became very great believers and put me on referral.
	Did they?
	That's really interesting.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Oh, hello.
	I wonder if Sylvia could comment on the JFK assassination, Martin Luther King, In other words, you want to look back?
	Yeah.
	Does she have any knowledge on that?
	All right, well, sure.
	Let's ask the JFK assassination.
	Yeah, the JFK assassination.
	And, you know, everybody has made all kinds of, you know, whether it's Oliver Stone or whatever.
	I really don't think that Oswald did it.
	I mean, if he did do it, I think there was a great conspiracy.
	Notice how any President that really gets tremendously involved in anything that has to do with discrimination of fleeing slaves.
	For some reason, it's almost a setup for assassination.
	It's almost like, here we go again with the diabolical side of the dark side, let's say, of mankind to get rid of something that's good.
	And the best way that they do that, it seems to be, is to put them, you know, just take them right out.
	The same with Martin Luther King.
	He wanted peace.
	He wanted harmony.
	And the forces that opposed that peace and harmony were, at least at that point, stronger.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Boy, there's a different view of it.
	I've never thought of it that way before, Sylvia.
	And you know something, too, Art, but what it did was, it's sort of like the horrible Holocaust, as horrible as that was, And I can speak from some authority because, I mean, my father was Jewish.
	It was probably the first time in history that anyone knew exactly what those people had gone through.
	The horror of it.
	So, every horrible act, not God only, it's not just like these people come in to be almost like scapegoats with what's going on with the Christians that were thrown into them.
	Yes.
	Is there a real Manifestation of good and evil.
	I have never, ever, in my whole life, talked to anybody, um, talking, whatever you want to call it, in which I call evil, prevalent, acts of evil, in other words, not evil in, um, spirit.
	I have not.
	It is, in fact, more of aid of the living, that, like, with me and these, almost never, at all.
	I think the more I have said, I have some very candid teeth, I have some very candid teeth, I have some very candid teeth, I have some very candid teeth, I have some very candid teeth, I have some very candid teeth, I have some very candid teeth, I have some very candid teeth, I have some very candid teeth, I have some very candid teeth, I have some very candid teeth, I have some very candid teeth, I have some very candid teeth, I have some very candid teeth, I have some very candid teeth, I have some very candid teeth, I have some very candid teeth, I have some very candid teeth I don't think it's necessarily.
	uh... and then we saw the uh... so let's let's talk about an even entity in a country and have death penalty
	we take a life now at least some of us in a more egregious concern
	and by doing that interview you need to get stopped and arrested. Is that the wrong
	thing or the right thing?
	i don't think it's necessarily uh...
	i've never been what i'd call uh... thrilled about capital punishment only from stanford
	Too easy for them?
	Too easy for them.
	Of course, the fact that it certainly saves the taxpayers, but I don't think that that
	is a justifiable thing for some of these people that do horrendous crimes.
	I think it's too easy for them to tell you the truth.
	Too easy for them?
	Too easy for them to take a life, whether it's an eye for an eye or a tooth for a tooth.
	Irregardless of that, I think it's too easy.
	You refer to the teeth taken out one at a time.
	Yeah.
	Oh yeah, I'm much more... You know, spiritual or not, I'm much more, and I guess being a parent has a lot maybe to do with that, or just being very protective.
	Somebody would hurt my child.
	I don't care.
	I have six foot six boys that are 260, 270 pounds, but hurt them, and I'm going to look for you with a baseball bat.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	Hello.
	I listened to you on 790 KNST.
	In Tucson?
	Yes.
	Boy, that's a pretty good memory.
	Well, anyway, welcome.
	Thank you.
	I have two questions.
	The first is, Sylvia, what role do you think that animals play in the progression of our earth or psychic and spirituality connections?
	Animals, I've always believed, and I said this on the last Montel show, are almost and I'm convinced not almost they're like almost like spirit guides here on this earth I think they're like angels that are here and what we've done to these animals is just horrific in the phylum of human beings we always call them less I don't call them less I call them more because in many ways and that certainly doesn't mean that I don't love human beings because I've spent my whole life trying to take care of them but
	Look at animals, they have no greed, they have no avarice, they have no horrible insidious, and even animals that go amok are usually because some man has either starved them or crucified them in some way.
	As far as phylums go, they are way up there.
	My other question is do you think that energy is recorded in the environment and played
	back?
	Absolutely.
	For example seeing apparitions or deja vu if you could elaborate on deja vu.
	Everything in life contains energy and I think that's what we feel.
	anybody in the listening audience and I know that you can...
	Go into a house and you look at the outside and you think it's beautiful and all of a sudden you go inside and you say, I don't know what it is, but I don't like it.
	Yeah.
	What you're doing is you're picking up energy that's there.
	I found a lot of houses in quotes that were haunted or we think they're haunted.
	Um, and it really is.
	Some are inhabited by really disgruntled spirits, but also it can be a place where a lot of violence has taken place.
	And what you're doing is you're feeling the emanation of that violence, almost like a, A slip in time.
	There's a place called the Pacheco Path that has that.
	I mean, I don't do the Pacheco Path, and I'm pretty strong, and I can almost wing out.
	And it's because there's been so much horrible stuff going on that the impact of the emotion is just... well, then you can stand... Sylvia, hold it right there.
	We're at the bottom of the hour.
	We'll be right back.
	Sylvia Brown is my guest.
	This is Coast to Coast AM from the high desert.
	Back now to Sylvia Brown.
	Sylvia, here's a question.
	Remember, you tell me to take a hike when you don't want to answer these.
	I might not want to answer this one.
	What do you know of the future of Christianity?
	I think the future of Christianity is probably more pure, or going to be more pure, than it's ever been.
	I think it's going to be Not just with the, you know, everybody's in an uproar about the Dead Sea Scrolls, which I think have great validity, but I think we're going to get back more to the actuality of what our Lord said, rather than what somebody else said that he said.
	I think that we're going to be far more purist, or let's say Gnostic in that, that we're going to, because our Lord really wasn't prejudicial.
	He never said what so many people put in his mouth.
	You know, I've heard I don't want to name any group, but you can hear sometimes on television, well, our Lord said, you know, you without sin throw the first stone, but this is what he really meant.
	And I'm saying to myself, no, that isn't what he said.
	He said exactly that and nothing else.
	Good point.
	So I think what we're going to find is the more purest form of Christianity than this sort of man-made, let's bring all the falder all around it.
	All right, somebody also asked about families, and that's a good question.
	Community structures, families.
	We have mom, dad, the children.
	We still sort of have that, but it's changing now, and what do you see it moving toward?
	Great hopes for that, and I think that's what's been wrong with the... I even addressed this, not to give a plug, but my book, The Other Side and Back, is when what happens is In the gangs, if you notice, it's always the head honcho, which is the so-called mother figure, the father figure.
	That should give society a good inclination that the first unit of our culture is broken.
	That's the family.
	And being what we think we are, or we call ourselves a Christian society, we've broken down that bond.
	And if we don't repair that, aside from anything else that'll happen to us in the topography of the world or the air that we breathe or whatever this is going to be the ruination
	of mankind if we don't pull our families together like you said the mother the father the i
	do know there's a time i had to raise my son at a time by myself which was through no fault
	of my own it's the way life deals its hand but nevertheless you can try to make the best of that
	and try to raise your children with some kind of moral upbringing we have too many latchkey
	children we have too many kids that are just out there with no supervision and nobody cares yes and
	your book your book is the other side and back yes what
	Yes.
	Why did you call it that?
	Because we came from the other side, and you know, like I said, it's a psyche's guide to our world and beyond.
	We came from the other side, and we're going to go back to the other side, and what's in between is what I address, the phobias, the fears, Uh, the family situations, always looking for the other side of ourself, when we should be looking for... You know, it's so much easier to say, I need a man in my life to make me what I am, or a woman in my life to make me what I am, instead of saying, I need the other half of me to make me what I am, and then whatever comes along, I'll just have that as an adjunct to myself.
	I think we've got to get back to that.
	Alright.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
	Good morning.
	Oh, hi.
	Hi there.
	Is this art?
	It is.
	Oh, hi.
	First of all, I have to tell you how much I enjoy your show.
	Thank you.
	Where are you, pray tell?
	Oh, I'm Jenny from Ohio.
	Okay.
	And I'm nervous because I've never called in before.
	Sylvia, I think you're just wonderful.
	And I had a question about just psychic abilities in general.
	Ever since I was a little girl, I just, I know things.
	It just was something that's always been part of me.
	I know.
	My mom was always really good about it.
	Thank God for that.
	Yeah, well, she hid herself and my grandma.
	See, I think it is, I have to believe scientifically, aside from being from God, I have to believe The soul, the Altman, whatever you want to call it, is presupposed to a genetic strain.
	I really do believe that.
	But I do believe also that people can be taught to be somewhat psychic.
	Well, that was my question.
	Because I have always believed that it was a gift from God.
	Oh, of course it is.
	Because I've run across people that they think are I don't know.
	If you have any ability or some evil, weird person... How about a witch?
	Well, yeah, that's too... And of course, I'm a great Bible reader.
	I've read all... You know, people say, Bible, I say, which version?
	There's 26 versions of it.
	The one thing they quote is Deuteronomy, you know, that don't consort with seers and sorcerers.
	Well, who the hell's a seer and sorcerer?
	I don't know any.
	Well, yeah.
	It would look like if I were to meet one.
	And yet the Bible in itself is full of prophecy.
	Right.
	I think that that probably was a way of controlling.
	You know, I've had people say, well, if you teach everybody to be psychic, we'll be out of business.
	And I think, well, who cares?
	If we all could have a psychic spiritual sense.
	I think for years and years they tried to separate it.
	It's not separate.
	Because if you're truly a psychic, then you truly feel that you have some connection with the Holy Spirit.
	And I don't mean this as being I mean, it's a great gift and it has to be guarded very, very closely.
	You can't ever use it for your own good.
	Well, that's another thing, too.
	I was going to ask if you've ever found, for my friends or people, strangers even, I've only a few times have heard voices where I thought I was losing my mind.
	Well, like we were talking about earlier, it's not the most pleasant thing to have happen to you in the world, which there seems to be the normalcy, whatever the hell that means, is that people just don't usually go around and hear voices and see things.
	What I've found by sort of coming out of the closet, as you might think, because I've always been out of the closet with it, but I think it's given people, if I haven't done anything else in this world, it's given them hope that if Good Lord, if she can come out and proclaim that she's this, then maybe I can too.
	Because it takes... I think that takes one of the most bravest things to do, is to proclaim to the world that you do feel and sense.
	And what I've found so gratifying is people say to me, Sylvia, I've always felt like you just said.
	I've always felt this way, but I was afraid to say it to anybody.
	Well, around here, I'm from a small town, so I don't get a lot of... Well, you're also afraid to explore it.
	In other words, all of society teaches you, you don't do that.
	You don't explore these feelings.
	You don't try to tune in.
	You tune out.
	That's right.
	You look at a number that has greater wisdom than you, and don't you dare try to develop yourself.
	Answer the telephone, have a career, go to work, raise children, do all these things that That we do in life, and society pressures you to do those, and not the other.
	Well, and I'm in the medical profession, so with my training, too, it was so scientific.
	I guess through college I blocked a lot of it out.
	Yes.
	You know, because they teach you that things like this don't exist because it's not in a textbook.
	That's right.
	In college, the pressure would be even greater.
	Uh, to be very specifically focused narrowly on an academic acquisition of knowledge.
	Yes.
	Well, and you said something very valid to me when she said, um, I don't know how I know.
	See, that's what I have to always say to people.
	And it sounds like such a dumb answer, but I don't know how to explain it any other way.
	How do you know?
	I know because I know, and I don't know how I know it, but I know that I know it.
	from the tip of my toes to the top of my hair. It's just a sense of knowing.
	So it's not really something you can explain. No, and don't you find it amazing that
	we could be great musicians, we could be great singers, we could have ability to be great artists?
	Nobody questions that, but then you start talking about something that has to do with the mind.
	Everybody says, oh God, that's crazy.
	That's right.
	Yes, they do.
	The other side, back again, your book.
	How long has it been out, Sylvia?
	It just came out the second and it hit number one.
	Say that again?
	It came out August 2nd and it just now hit number one on the New York Best Seller list.
	It's number one on the New York Best Seller list?
	Uh-huh.
	And it came out August 2nd?
	Yes.
	You're kidding!
	No, I'm not.
	This is August 12th.
	I know.
	It took 11 days to get to... Actually, they say it took 6 days, but they couldn't print it yet.
	Good Lord, Sylvia!
	I don't know that I've seen that occur before.
	No, my publisher said it's never been heard of.
	Holy smokes!
	You must be very proud, very happy.
	Well I'm very thankful to God and I'm very pleased.
	I think what prompted me to write the book was like I told you in the beginning of this is that everybody kept asking me and after 40 some odd years of doing research I thought well why not put it down.
	I had no Really, because I'm not psychic about myself.
	I had no expectations that it would take off like that.
	Alright, give us an encapsulation of the book itself.
	Is it exactly what it says?
	Is it a description of... Yeah, you can find help from the other side about your angels, your spirit guide.
	I talk about everyday magic and miracles.
	Is magic real?
	Yes.
	And I don't mean stirring a cauldron in the backyard and running around naked in the full moon.
	I talk about how to view your health, your scan of your body, how to discover your past
	life, on and on it goes.
	And then what we were talking about, you know, the predictions, that's also in the book.
	Is magic real?
	Yes.
	And I don't mean stirring a cauldron in the backyard and running around naked in the full
	moon.
	I'm talking about, yes, certainly there's miracles in magic.
	Love, I think, that's a magical thing.
	It's something that transcends everything.
	I think if we can use it in, I mean, the most reverent terms, I think God is magic.
	It's just a marvelous feeling of euphoria.
	It happens, you know, it's sort of like the color before that, the deja vu.
	It's sort of like that wash that you get.
	It's not only a familiarity, but that bliss, as Joseph Campbell talked about, that once in a while we're privy to.
	Yes.
	All right.
	My goodness, number one.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown.
	Hi, Sylvia.
	Sir, I can barely hear you.
	Sorry.
	Dwayne from Calgary, Alberta.
	Calgary, yes, sir.
	And I was wondering, Sylvia, if this other side you're talking about, how it compares to the astral plane, written by some other author.
	Well, you know, there's so many words for it, and I've never been too much into, and I'm certainly not knocking anybody, I don't mean to, the esoteria.
	It's no different than the astral plane.
	Now, there's different levels.
	I mean, you can go astrally out of your body and wander around above the trees and not go anywhere, but there are people who have been very adept at Astral projection that have actually gone to the other side
	and brought back the same information that a person Who has gone through a death and dying experience?
	That's what I was telling art earlier that there's how could you say that's deprivation of oxygen?
	But the astral plane usually refers to More or less going out of your body now if you're talking
	about the upper plane or let's say the dimensional Describational plane of the other side and that's an old
	entirely different place Thank you.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sylvia Brown and Art Bell.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	Yes, sir.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Massachusetts.
	All right.
	I wanted to know what you thought about, Sylvia, what you think about exorcisms.
	Exorcisms.
	Yes, actually a very good question.
	Now, I would think that based on what I've heard you say earlier, you would have some doubt about them because you don't seem to feel that there is an external evil force precisely that inhabits that way.
	No, and I do believe with all my heart there's a privacy act that God gives all of us.
	It's an interesting thing In researching, I found out that people that have a very strong, let's say, religionistic background will be possessed by a devil.
	A person who has had a very historical background are more apt to be possessed by Napoleon.
	It seems to be almost in reference to what our knowledge is.
	Let's face it, there are many facets of our mind.
	The woman that was talking to us earlier about the linear Living life on a linear plane.
	Let's say that in this record that your needle for some reason can skip a groove, which would also make sense in what we call the multiples.
	In other words, if my needle happened to skip, I could be a French boy.
	I could be, you know, like Sybil or like Trudy.
	It really isn't An evil entity, I've always known that it was the emotional side of the brain that has encompassed the intellect, which can take the form of like a possession.
	Don't get me wrong, I've used, with a priest, I have been, where I have actually used the Pauline book, which you will go through the whole exorcism, because I'm convinced that if the person believes that, then you use whatever you need to use to help them with that.
	But myself personally, no.
	I am convinced, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that there is no evil entity that can inhabit a person.
	Huh.
	They surely can believe that, though, can't they?
	Oh, absolutely, and create... Well, we know for a fact, and it's been demonstrated in laboratories, that a person can be hypnotized, and you put an ice cube on their arm and tell them it's hot poker, and a blister will come up.
	That's right.
	A person can be programmed so much, so...
	that, you know, that let's face it, it's like brainwashing the person actually believes it.
	And the expression, I'm beside myself, really takes on new meaning.
	Sylvia, I always ask guests as we approach this final hour of the program, whether they feel like
	going to bed or whether they have one more hour, and I always leave it in your hands to make that decision.
	No, that's fine.
	Look, we've come this far, let's just go.
	Let's go, huh?
	Alright, let's hit one in then.
	West of the Rockies, you're on air with Sylvia Brown.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I am East of the Rockies.
	I'm in California.
	Right.
	Sylvia, I have not been able to put your book down since I read it, and I have, I think, found my spirit guide.
	It may sound sort of funny, and I keep wondering if maybe Francine can tell me if this name is really real that I keep finding.
	But could you tell me, is there any way I can, through my spirit guide, more effectively try and meet this person I'm wanting to see on the other side?
	You know, and I say, you know, to even the people that are listening, it's very easy.
	It's not that complex.
	I mean, a short version would be to just think of yourself at a seashore, put your feet in the sand, put your back against the palm tree, and say, look, would you please identify yourself, come out of the shadows, come with God, surround yourself with the white light of the Holy Spirit, not because I think there's anything evil, it's just nice protection, not to get a lot of flotsam and jetsam that runs through the air.
	And more times than not, as quick as I told you this, a person can get into a very relaxed state and really be very surprised that they meet someone that is there for them.
	Give it a try.
	I certainly will, and you've got to read the book.
	Uh, apparently so.
	Everybody else certainly is.
	I thought on the internet, read a chapter of it on the internet before I actually got the book.
	And that was it, huh?
	That was it.
	All right.
	Thank you, dear.
	And everybody... Thank you very, very much.
	Thank you, Sylvia.
	All right, darling.
	All right.
	Hold on, Sylvia.
	We'll be right back.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	There was sand and hills and rain.

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