Sylvia Browne returns to Coast to Coast AM, warning Earth’s atmosphere may degrade within 30–40 years, forcing humanity into domed cities due to rocket fuel damage and "soul influx" tied to societal chaos—school shootings, occultism, and political shifts. She dismisses Y2K fears but predicts U.S. presidency will fade by 2035, replaced by a Greek Senate-style democracy, while rejecting a global government. Browne links crop circles to extraterrestrial messages, clarifies her stance on Wicca as a pantheistic tradition, and uses psychic insights to describe a violent perpetrator in Idaho. Her advice: trust intuition, align mind-body-spirit, and avoid fear-driven extremes, framing life’s lessons as inevitable spiritual algebra. [Automatically generated summary]
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It is indeed coming up in a few moments, Sylvia Brown.
And you should know Sylvia Brown.
She is internationally known now as one of the world's greatest psychics.
So you're in for a real treat tonight.
For Sylvia Brown, it all began when she was about three years of age.
She knew that she was different at three years of age.
Can you imagine that?
Sylvia Brown, without going through all of her, I mean, she's been everywhere, Montel Williams, Unsolved Mysteries, Sightings, Encounters, Strange Universe, In Search of, That's Incredible, A ⁇ E's America's Castles.
She even starred in the CBS special Haunted Lives.
Sylvia Brown is internationally known as one of the world's greatest psychics and has been all her life.
And she's been on this program one other time, and that was some time ago.
Not only do we have people shooting up at schools, but we have all kinds of strange, like you were saying earlier, of atmospheric conditions, tornadoes hitting where they haven't hit in particular places, droughts where they never were before, heat that was tearing across, and then other places were wet and cold.
I mean, it's really, really a phenomenon.
I mean, the Earth is going through its own almost metamorphosis.
Sylvia, I am not a psychic, at least don't think I am.
But several years ago now, I wrote a book called The Quickening, in which I predicted these weather changes were upon us, beginning, actually beginning.
I don't want to, you know, I'm not a doomsday, I guess you want to say prophet so much, but I think eventually and not too far distant future, maybe 30, 40 years, we're going to have to start living in domed cities.
It's not what I mean is the end of the world, so to speak.
But I think that because of the atmospheric conditions, it's almost like we're going to have to have some kind of controlled atmosphere because look at the heat wave that hit the east.
Yeah, because it's not that I want to pinpoint anyone, but you know, we hear about the aerosol cans and all that, and I don't want to make anybody at NASA necessarily mad at me, but what really is tearing our atmosphere, and even my spirit guide says this, is the rockets that we send up because the fuel tears the atmosphere almost like a run-in-a-panty hose.
You know, Sylvia, for a number of years, I would get people who would call and say, every time that we launch a satellite, or particularly the shuttle, or other large rockets, it does damage to the upper atmosphere.
And I used to scoff at that, Sylvia, until I had some scientists come on and say, no, Actually, that's correct.
Yeah, and you see, if we don't have that canopy of protection that keeps the balance oxygen, carbon monoxide, and everything, or carbon dioxide, I should say, then what are we going to have?
See, what we have is we're slowly or poisoning ourselves.
And the Earth, in turn, will have its revenge on us.
Because, you see, the tragedy is we've become the enemy.
We've become the cancer that's going on the face of this earth.
I don't think the earth is necessarily sentient so much so is that, you know, like you get those little domed aquariums, you know, where you put, you know, you close it off and you begin to water it.
Well, if you don't give it the right amount of water, the right amount of atmosphere, guess what happens?
You know, the clothes, even the dome effect, you're going to kill the plant inside.
And in many ways, some of it can be a little bit frightening.
I mean, the fact that we're going to have some skirmishes and, you know, upsurges, but I have never, ever, and I really, let's say, plumbed the depths.
I've never seen a big, you know, like a third world war or the ending of mankind as we know it.
The only thing that when I was writing my book is that, and it was funny because Montel asked me a very interesting question.
He said, okay, and we went through the whole hundred years and he said, okay, now what do you see at 2100?
I've been able to pretty much pinpoint years, whether it's 1999 to 2001 or 2045.
I'm pretty close within that.
And the only thing that I can tell you is that my spirit guide, who doesn't always help me with predictions, in a lot of cases, and it's been validated, notarized, and whatever else we had to do, is that so many of these things that she told me, very much like what Youth the Quickening told me 20, 30 years ago, and I went, oh, haha, sure.
What a stupid thing that is, you know.
And then it all came about.
So once you keep validating what is being said, then after a while you start picking up your ears and saying, wait a minute, there's something to this.
Well, because I feel so personally like you're my friend, but sometimes yes and sometimes no.
I don't want to sound like a martyr because I've loved my life, but it's also a great burden because I won't ever lie to anybody.
If somebody says, is my son alive?
And I know the son is not alive, I have to say, because I made the contract with God years ago, that I never want to hurt anybody, but I won't lie either.
So I've always said, God, whatever comes through, I want to say the truth, but I don't want to harm.
And that's one of the hardest things is when you have to tell a grieving mother or some other horrible thing that, yes, their worst fears are realized.
Well, you know, the thing about it is, I've always been the kind.
I mean, I can, I mean, I used to have a very frightening thing happen.
I think we talked about this before when I was much younger, and I would be in a crowd or be with people.
And if the person was going to die, I would actually see the face run, very much like what was in the Raiders of the Lost Ark, you know, when their face is melted.
But no, if I'm around a person or they're with me or even on the phone, let's say, or even a letter, I can pretty much tell you that this person's time is very short.
But if the person, and you'd be surprised at how many people will ask, so many people more so than it used to be even 10 years ago, which, and I think that's what prompted me to write the book, is because more and more people began to ask me.
There's always the number one question, where is Mrs. Wright?
Where is Mr. Wright?
But people began to ask me, how am I doing spiritually, Sylvia, which really made me feel truly marvelous.
Not so much, I don't mind if people are churchinistic or whatever they want to be.
I think it's fine.
But to ask the question, Sylvia, am I on track or am I spiritual?
I think that's a wonderful sign.
Because you see, the minute the person asks, then you are very aware that they're already in a search.
For instance, then you don't have to, you know, but this gives me a lot of information on you, is, for instance, this is your last time around.
And even if you are not aware of what that means, it gives me a lot of information is that you really have searched in this life.
You've thought out.
I don't mean just because of being on the show.
You've always been that way.
The experiencing what's around the next corner, what causes that to happen, what makes that happen.
See, that's also a good sign that the person is, well, it's very much like Christ said, seek and ye shall find and knock and it shall be open to you.
A Gnostic person, G-N-O-S-T-I-C, means, you know, the reasoning, the determination to find, to seek.
You're pretty assured then that not only the person is on their last life, but the fact that they've completed, they're going to graduate.
And I think they're in a fury almost to find out everything they can find out.
It's sort of like the last year of school when you run to your counselor and say, please have I taken everything, and they say, no, you've got physics and chemistry, and you say, damn it.
Well, actually, it sounds sort of strange, but it's probably, I think, one of the best news that anybody can get because that means that you're graduated and you're going to go home.
And home is a place, like we talked about briefly last time, in which it's a dimension that's right on top of this one.
It just goes in a faster vibration, but it has libraries and music halls and lecture centers.
And, you know, it's not some place that just has a cloud with a harp.
And that's why I talk about levels and degrees of happiness.
I mean, you, you know, it's like sort of astrology.
You can get 10 Libras in the room, and maybe they're all somewhat like balance, but then from then on, you go into all kinds of different variations.
You and I could be in the same room, but maybe your level of degree of intelligence, happiness, awareness is far deeper than mine, but just by glance, no one would know.
So I think that that, I guess it's like Melville said that, you know, within every man carries his heaven or hell.
And I think that's also on the other side.
So there's certain degrees and levels.
But I think, again, quoting in very, very old sort of adage or whatever, isn't the symbol as full as a picture?
Of course it is.
And the symbol doesn't know it isn't as full as a picture.
Sylvia Brown is known internationally, I think, as one of the very best.
And we've got a lot to talk to her about.
For example, I have in front of me from Sylvia Brown predictions for the next hundred years.
You just heard her say, in about 40 years or so, we're all going to be living, or I guess our children's children, or perhaps some of you younger ones, in domed cities.
I guess the best way, it just comes so fast, and I guess it's because I was born with it, is what I start to do every year when I do make my predictions, and this was the first time when I wrote the book, is that they asked me to do, you know, for the next whatever, as long as I could see, what I tried to do was pick out specifics.
In other words, like I would start with economy, and then I would just sit and not meditate, but just let it flow through.
And whatever would flow through, the same as what I do with individual readings, it would just come and I would never question it.
I would just put it down.
Then I would go to health or international affairs, government.
I would try to segment it so that at least it had some, it would follow through.
Some of it jumps around, but to be very interested in some of the new breakthroughs in medicine, for instance, that came through, I was very amazed at the gene therapy that we're going to see, the eradication of a lot of the horrible known illnesses such as cancer and a lot of these other things that we're seeing like MS. But then,
on the other side of the coin, we're seeing a lot of the immune deficiency illnesses that we can't seem to pinpoint.
And I began to pick those up in about 1980.
I mean, I started seeing things that there were like, I mean, I didn't have the medical name for it because I'm not a doctor, but things like fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue and candida.
And I didn't know exactly what it was, but I certainly would fight with the doctors that I work with and said, listen to me, this is not some kind of psychosomatic thing.
This is a real thing.
So along with getting rid of some of these horrible, terrible, you know, cancer and a lot of other things, we've got almost these insidious things now coming about.
I began to fight with a lot of doctors saying there is something wrong.
And I kept saying it's kind of like a yeasty thing in the blood.
And they said, oh, sure, right.
But it is.
There is a real reality to this.
I mean, people can get yeast in their blood.
They have these chronic fatigue.
I mean, and I think that going back to the atmospheric conditions, it almost as if the body is responding to the fact that our atmospheric conditions are breaking down and thereby, because we're all part of one complete unit, I mean, we live in this place, is that why wouldn't it stand to reason that the cell structure would also suffer?
Yeah, and I think that what I've found is that, you know, and I mean, it goes without saying, I mean, it's almost like a platitude to say that, well, you know, keep your exercise up, try to eat better, you know, try to keep your immune system up.
And, you know, and I think that's why we're coming into an age of, see, because with every darkness, there's light that rises.
I think that's why we're seeing a lot of hormone replacement therapy that seems to be doing wondrous things for people.
We're seeing all kinds of now coming online gene therapy that's going to get a tremendous boost to the immune system.
I think, and I'm certainly not a nutritionist, but I've found that people that do not, and I don't mean big fat meat, that do not keep their protein count high seem to be, from my statistics, more susceptible.
And I don't mean just having, like I said, big fat meat all the time, but at least eating whether their preference is soy or tofu or whatever, because that seems to be the only thing that insulates the cell structure.
Well, instead of just having it be this, you know, these horrible, what we call deathbed throes, I think we're talking about now people getting very also spiritual to the point that they are able to know when their time comes,
release, like the Bible says, this mortal coil, and just, I guess, for lack of a better word, will themselves to just step out of their body without going through the neurological struggles and, you know, and the pain of the physical death.
And every doctor, anybody who's ever attended people, not just myself, which I've certainly done a lot of, but anybody in the medical field for any time has actually seen this occur with some people.
I mean, we talk about mind over matter, but we don't really listen to it that much.
And it really is, I'm going to will myself to go and thereby simply release myself from this mortal coil, or very much like a person getting out of a car.
Let me tell you a little story that a listener told me, and you tell me if this means anything to you, but this was a young lady whose mother was dying, and she was with her in the hospital, Sylvia, and when her mother died, or just before her mother died, she literally threw herself over her mother, hugged her, and was holding her at the exact moment of death.
And she swore to me up and down, Sylvia, that she felt her mother move.
There is a, well, it's very much like what's the name of, you know, and it's even mentioned in the Bible, the quickening.
I don't know, it's the strangest feeling.
You really do feel like, not possession, but that a light kind of presence or like a beam of light has just entered you and then passed through.
I mean, you really, really begin to realize then that you're so molecularly transparent that there is such a thing as the merging of the soul or emitting from the soul and going right through you.
I went into this very thoroughly, not only with my guide, because I never like to take one source, but so many thousands of regressions that I've done.
And everyone, whether they're Buddhist, Christian, doesn't matter, Taoist, everyone, amazingly enough, sees the same thing.
And I know scientists say that it's a deprivation of oxygen or whatever, but that cannot explain the fact that people have the regressive knowledge of what goes on, as well as the person who's astrally projected that knows what goes on.
There's no deprivation of energy there, or oxygen, I should say.
But from everything that I have been able to garner, we have a real reality to our body.
I remember as a young girl in Missouri when my guide said, I'm more solid than you are, I said to myself, that is just absolutely insane.
The laws of physics, she said, are almost reversed.
We're much more solid.
And I guess, you know, for years and years, theologians and people, whether they're esoteric or whatever, and I think Plato said it better than probably anyone.
He said, we are very much like the shadows on the wall of the cave.
This is the world of illusion, and the other side is the real world.
So irregardless of what has been damaged here, from everything I've been able to garner from regressive therapy work and everything, is that the landscape is very much the same.
I mean, the Rocky Mountains are the same, the topography is the same, except it doesn't have all the nightmare physiological changes and the horrible weather and everything else.
It doesn't.
It seems to be perfectly intact, and people go about their business working and still learning for God, but without the negativity that we have here, because after all, this is the school.
And I think that not in and I myself too, and not being discriminatory about it, because my God, I probably was at that point or maybe still in the point of still growing, hopefully.
I don't ever want to feel that I haven't or won't keep growing.
But yes, you can tell.
They're sort of the people with the beanies with the propellers on their head, which is fine.
I mean, but you also can tell that anyone, I think it isn't even a psychic knowledge.
I think it's a spiritual knowledge when you can tell that a soul is more advanced.
And we used to use the term old soul, which is kind of a misnomer because we're all as old as each other.
I think we should say more than that, how many lives have they had?
That gives us more of a definitive answer than just to say an old soul because, you see, if God always was, so were all of we.
If God decided one day to make an art and a Sylvia, then God's imperfect, and that can't be possible.
No, and I think it's certainly not any, you know, disparaging remarks on anyone, but I think it's sort of been proven that the singular, because now, let's face it, I mean, let's be honest about the president doesn't have much power.
It really is run Congress, Senate, whatever.
So, I mean, how much power do the president really have?
It's really become a figurehead situation, of which it always was.
But to break it down in which it would be a type of Senate in which there would be many votes, I think personally, that that would be much more of a democratic situation.
And so to imagine a change in which there's no longer a presidency, but rather some sort of Greek Senate-type governing situation, would mean that our Constitution had changed in some way.
It would mean that there had been some sort of massive political change of what sort.
Yeah, I don't see it necessarily as a revolution, though.
I think it becomes a gradual melding of, let's say, Congress and Senate in which it becomes very apparent that it's going to change.
I don't think that's going to, you know, there's been so many Bill of Rights and codicles put on the original Declaration that I'm sure our forefathers will look at it and say, who the hell wrote all this?
You know, I mean, it started out to be a very simplistic document, you know, and then we started adding everything to it.
So I don't think it would be too unusual to say that, yeah, then we meld this group of people that would have, because if you've ever watched any Senate and congressional meetings, I mean, that's all they're doing anyway.
I mean, they're voting on what is the best for the masses.
And Sylvia, here's a pretty good question right down the alley of what we've been talking about.
Matthew in Bristol, Tennessee asks, would you ask, Sylvia, what would happen to the souls of those individuals who have not completed their cycle of life, in other words, reincarnated an appropriate number of times to be done, should human life suddenly cease to exist as we know it, say in the year 2100 or sooner?
I think that's why we're seeing a great influx of souls.
If we're going to go along with that premise that I can't see beyond that point or that is ultimately the end, I think that's why we're seeing such a great amount of almost frantic, I guess you might put it, entry into this life.
And this would also sort of stand up to the fact that why we're seeing so much horrendous things.
It's almost like whatever you haven't finished, whatever you haven't completed, sometimes you save the worst for the last.
And that doesn't mean that life can't be joyous and fun and that there's not a lot of spirituality and love of family and all of that.
But still, it's like you said, wherever we look, whenever we turn on the news, there's another horrible thing happening.
But I think that, like I said before, whenever darkness rises, light does rise to try to meet it.
So with all of this horrifying things we have going on, I mean, people shooting up schools and everything.
Kids shooting up schools, people shooting up places where certain religious groups gather and on.
I mean, today, the latest, the fellow was right here in Las Vegas arrested, who did the shooting in L.A. It's like almost every day now lately, something, what's going on, I have no understanding, Sylvia.
You know, I look at these killings, these random killings, these mass killings, and I cannot get my head around why anybody would do that.
Say they were contemplating suicide.
These days, people are taking their family out, then going down to work, killing everybody there, and then taking everybody else out, and then going out.
Well, I think the spiritual view is, like we were saying, that this is a bad camping trip and the food isn't really that good, but we'll make the best of it and we'll kind of, like my father used to say, laugh and scratch through it.
Where the others on the other side, and there is such a thing as darkness in the soul, I mean, anybody who doesn't know that, I think they're very deluded, is that whenever, like I said, this was almost a separation of light, and not just by Lucifer and his band of crazy men, but or women, whatever the case may be.
But I think we have a lot of dark entities in this world.
And I have been told, and seem to validate this again through regressions, is that when these souls cannot be rehabilitated, that God in His mercy just reabsorbs them.
But like I say, because I lecture all over the country to four and 5,000 people, and I've always stood to the group and asked them point blank, if I were to say to you, in five minutes, the world was going to come to an end, what would you do?
And almost in unison, people will say, we'd sit right here.
And I always say, the worst that is going to happen is that the tunnel is crowded.
So we'd all be saying, would you please move your tail?
And, you know, like you do in an airplane when everybody's trying to get out.
I think that's the worst thing that happens if we'd all go in tandem.
But getting back to the question that this person, the young man asked, is I think that it would be the end of people coming in.
I think that would be the schematic that we've gone through.
It's the end of times in which people have completed their graduation process.
But you see, when that happens, let's look at it this way.
Not hypothetically, but almost in reality, that this has always been a place in which light fights dark.
Wouldn't it make sense that towards the end of things, even if let's say there is 100 years left, that the darkness would rise up high and be just as belligerent and just as vehemently opposed to right as the spiritual side would be just as vehemently, like the Pope said, it's not that big a deal.
So you have both factions saying the same thing, but it's like I'm going to get my last licks in.
Well, not to be, you know, to pick out anybody in particular, and I certainly don't want to judge anybody, but from my own perspective, and this is purely from my own perspective, that it gives me the shifts to look in Manson's eyes.
They're like hard marbles.
I mean, and what almost validates that is the fact that he to this day believes that he did nothing wrong.
Which I might be totally, and I'll stand and, you know, be which I might be totally, and I'll stand and, you know, be judged for this.
But it seems to almost typify the darkness in the soul when the person says it wasn't my fault, and yet what follows them is nothing but a horror of bloodshed, terror.
I mean, we have the Jim Joneses, we have the people like that, and they're perfectly, they think they're perfectly right within what they do.
That's what the danger is.
Also, too, what we're seeing, and I'm seeing a lot of, is a tremendous amount of occultism now arising.
Not just the skin heads, but this sort of fake Messiah thing.
You know, I'm Jesus and I'm Buddha and I'm, you know, I mean, that's crazy.
This is crazy.
And people are so willing to follow anyone that they're ready to elect anybody.
Father Martin had been shown the third secret of Fatima, that secret which no Pope has yet been willing to make public.
And Father Martin went so far as to tell my audience that if you can close your eyes and imagine the worst possible that you can imagine for Earth and for the people, it's worse than that.
That's what he said.
And with you suggesting what you see around 2100, or more accurately, don't see, I wonder if there's some sort of, sounds to me like there might be some sort of correlation.
Yeah, I think there is, except I don't see a great horror, you know, like Dante's Inferno with screaming souls and pitchforks and, you know, all that kind of thing.
I think it's just the, you know, I think it's sort of like T.S. Eliot says, I think the world will end with a, he said with a bang rather than a whimper.
I think it's going to be more of a whimper.
I think it's much like our Lord said, it comes like a thief in the night.
I don't think we're going to have a great horror holocaust.
I think it's going to be more like we've talked about the insidiousness.
Well, it begins to submerge because, you see, it's not that unusual or that great a deal because if you've, like I have, gone through Zion Canyon and some of those places and the guide will look up and say, you see, this used to be underwater because you can see the erosion of what the water eddies used to do.
Well, how the hell did it get underwater?
I'll tell you why, because it was a polar tilt.
And I think that's what we're in now.
And I think that also lends to the, you know, because we're finding out now, even ecologists have said water is coming up on certain parts of Europe and submerging, and then land is showing up on other parts.
Alaska, the water level is coming up in some places and going down in other places.
Yeah, because the water is receding, and then in other places, water is coming up.
And it's because, well, and that, and we get very esoteric here, too, but I think that's when we're going to see Atlantis rise, Lemuria rise, and then parts of this continent crack off.
I don't think this is the only time I'm told that about every 10,000 years, whatever, with some years tacked on maybe, that the world has gone into a polar tilt.
Yeah, except for the fact that he, I think he has, if my memory serves me right, and at my age you don't always know, but he had it a little bit closer than I did.
And if you really look back on what Edgar Casey had, he had it even closer still.
I mean, he was really pinpointing around 2002 to 2011.
I think what happens is the closer we get, this is certainly no disparaging remark on anybody, but I think the closer we get, the more we can see.
I mean, when I was on television maybe 20, 25 years ago and I said we're in a polar tilt, everybody went, oh my gosh.
And then, as time went on, I began to have ecologists call me and say, what did you say again?
What were you saying?
What does it mean?
And so apparently they didn't think it was that crazy.
But 26 years certainly gives people enough.
I know that seems like a short time, but it certainly gives us enough time to not panic and all run out and go jumping off into something.
Well, I think there was one brief show, and I'm sure that some of the listeners must have seen it, in which Jacques Cousteau really unearthed what he thought or believed, and I respected him greatly because he wasn't given to fits of fancy,
of temples, of, you know, of look-like civilization that was not only around the Bimini, but also Santorini area.
Now, it's amazing when I went to Santorini, they have no problem.
I mean, the whole island says, and with great conviction, you know, we are part of Atlantis.
I mean, which is quite amazing for a whole island to say that.
Sylvia Brown, an internationally known psychic, is my guest.
I'm Art Bell, and we'll be right back with more.
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Sophia, there was a couple of years ago, all of a sudden there were these reports, which incidentally began in Puerto Rico, about a strange creature called the chubacabra, which seemed to be attacking other animals.
Then it spread into South America, Central America, Mexico, and finally up into the U.S. And then all of a sudden, like somebody turned a switch, boom, it stopped.
Now, there are a lot of people who think that this creature and other manifestations like the abominable soulmate, the Yeti, all the rest of these things, are from another dimension.
And is that a reasonable deduction based on the way they seem to manifest?
Yeah, I think that in, here we go again with my research, there seems to be like phylums.
And I think there is lower phylums that for some reason, almost like a Bermuda triangle, can creep through to our world.
Not just a tulpa, which could be a thought process that's put into being by a lot of people thinking it into being, which also has been somewhat proven.
But yes, I do think there's different levels in which, you know, whether it's a troll or whether it's a Yeti or whatever, because too many people from different parts of the world have seen strange or similar things that have no connection with each other.
I mean, this is way before even the news was, you know, so widespread with CNN or anything.
And you go back in antiquity and you always get these strange creature sightings.
It makes you sort of sit up and take notice.
I think it's very much like Von Doniken's theories of people visiting us from outer space.
I do believe that there is such a thing.
Of course there is.
I cannot believe that we're the only people in the world that inhabit this planet or that we're the only person or people that have life on this little dinky dot on the end of the Milky Way.
But yes, I do think there's lurophylums in which let's call it a leak through or sort of a, let's call it sort of like an Earth Bermuda triangle in which they can kind of slip through.
They are very, very serious about it, and your attitude quickly changes from engaging people about this sort of thing up here and then engaging them further south of the border where so much of this has been going on.
They get a very, very serious tone to their voice and frown on their face and they don't like to talk about it.
Anyway, somebody else asks, and this is kind of an extension of what we're talking about right now, is it possible, Sylvia, that at some point there will be an opening, a more permanent opening, rather than these scattered little peekaboo look-throughs from one dimension to another, will there be a time when the veil will lift?
Let's just look at even not so much just the movies about, let's say, spirits, although that's come greatly into the foreground with the movie Ghost and Always and now The Sixth Sense.
But I think even with the X-Files, I think it shows that people may be as sensationalized as some of this can be.
There still is, I think, great validity to a lot of it.
I don't think that these entities, though, mean us harm.
I think if that were the case and they can get here, which I'm sure they can, they could have annihilated us.
I think they look at us almost as a colonization of people and what the hell have we done with this colonization.
Maybe the same as I am, you know, speaking from this point.
Maybe they got to 2012 and said, hey, that's far enough.
Or maybe it just all went blank.
I've never seen the end come that quick.
But like I do believe, and even Christ said, no man can really predict the end.
And I do believe that.
But it could have been just the fact that maybe their prophets or their seers or whoever it might have been might have just gone blank at that point instead, because at one point they were quoting the Aztec calendar, Mayan calendar, to be 2002.
And I wonder if you imagine that there's a 101-year limit to what you can see or whether you believe you don't see anything after 2100 because there isn't anything after 2100.
I mean, do you see many things and people and a tremendous amount of activity and things going on?
And like I said, dome cities and all kinds of surgeries that are not done by scapel, or scalpel, I should say, but more by a molecular device that seems to almost push away the molecular structure.
And the problem doesn't rest in the Y2K, but it's all the hype that's been around it, people beginning to, let's say, take money out of the bank all of a sudden.
And then, of course, then you get the self-fulfilled prophecy.
If we just look at it in a practical sense, in this commercialized world, do you think by any means that banks and stock markets want to lose money?
I mean, how stupid it is to think.
The computer dials on one, we can't turn it to two.
They've even done dry runs on travel and aviation, and they're not having any problem with it.
Well, it's kind of hard to tell people, look, there may be a problem.
It may not be a big problem, but you should take some steps to prepare.
Now, when the Red Cross and FEMA and organizations say things like that, people really take it to heart because these are normally agencies that play everything really down.
And so for them to say anything at all kind of shakes people up a little bit.
And I guess they have a responsibility to try and see to it that all of this does not become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
But it's a hard line to walk between saying, prepare a little bit, but don't worry, it's not going to be a big deal.
I think that's the same thing, though, that we do with earthquakes, don't we?
We have earthquake drills and we have all kinds of things.
And it's sort of like saying, don't panic, but, you know, get under a door jam.
So it's sort of an oxymoron situation.
Talking to a lot of these agencies and people, I think a lot of this came out of the fact that there was so much media hype that what happened was, and you notice how all of a sudden it's calmed down, this Y2K.
No, I think that, and, you know, I love the phrase, there's nothing wrong about being paranoid if you've got something to be paranoid about.
I think that we have to take precautions whether we live in an earthquake area, tornado area.
And I think it's being wise to maybe, let's say, not let your pantry go, you know, dry.
I mean, I don't like that anyway because I came on the fringe of depression, so that's sort of a thing with me.
I always like to have canned goods and things like that.
But I think the real fear is now, at least from a lot of the media that I've talked to, is that we've almost overdone this ancient mysteries thing, you know, in the ancient prophecies, that people are really beginning to panic.
And it's the same thing that happened in the year 1000, if you look back in history.
Everybody got terrified, ran out in the street, screamed it was Armageddon, and then how embarrassing they had to turn around and walk back inside, you know.
And I think what we're going to see is that the next day after, you know, it strikes the new year, then the day after that we all go back to work.
I don't think we're going to see any flip in a switch, really.
I really can't see that, that Y2K is going to be a problem.
Like I said, the only thing that worries me is people thinking it'll be a problem and then going out and because you could really make the whole economy crash.
Another question people want answered is, do you anticipate actual contact with others, extraterrestrials, call them what you will, but a lot of people feel contact is near now.
And not just Von Doniken, but, you know, I was asked to be a representative even for the X-Files, and I said, you know, one of my opening, how stupid are we not to think that there aren't extraterrestrials as well as ultraterrestrials?
Of course there are.
And I think the thing that I would wish is, for God's sake, could they not just land where somebody could talk to them in a civilized way instead of thinking it's some kind of a, you know, and I don't mean that people are ignorant, but it's better than thinking that it's, you know, some goofy thing where somebody is just fishing and they see this bright light in the sky.
For God's sake, let it be where intelligent people can converse with this.
Well, ultraterrestrials are what we call the spirit guides.
Those are the spirits that have passed.
We have a whole conglomeration of entities around us.
I'm convinced that we have the ultraterrestrials, which of course are our guides and our passed over loved ones.
And then we have the extraterrestrials, which are the planetary beings from the other side.
I think one of the most fascinating regressions that I ever got into, and it was many, many, many years ago, when I really, really wasn't so much into UFOs and thought, well, they probably are there, but I'm not going to get too excited about it.
Where my grandmother, on the other hand, was a great psyche in Missouri and believed in this thoroughly.
I was sort of on the fence about it.
And I got a hold of this man who was a very, very respected person, and I was doing a regression on him.
And this was at the time, and I'm going to date myself, and everybody, of course, knows I'm 63 anyway, but the Bridie Murphy thing.
And I began to ask him, it was nothing more than a weight hypnosis.
And he began to tell me about anti-gravitational rods in which the stones of the pyramids were lifted.
And I began to pick up and take notice.
And then this man began to speak in this strange, funny sing-song kind of dialectic thing.
And I thought, oh my God, I've got another Bridie Murphy on my hands.
And what the hell am I going to do with that?
And I asked him, which I never do with any of my clients, could I please keep this tape?
And I ran it up to Stanford to a professor friend of mine who was very deeply into linguistics.
And he called me back sometime later.
And he said, where did you get this?
And I relayed it to him without divulging the person's name.
And he said, well, we don't know that much about if, you know, because after all, cuneiform and hieroglyphics were pictorial language.
But he said, what you have here is what we can figure out phonetically as an ancient dialect.
Now, this man was a Silicon Valley, you know, a person that had no relation to that.
And I was so amazed by that that that's really what started the ball rolling for me was bringing in 500 people at a time to do regressive therapy on them.
Well, Sophia, I stood in front of the Great Pyramid with Dr. Zahi Awass.
And Dr. Hawass minces no bones.
He says exactly what he wants to say, and he doesn't suffer fools lightly.
And I asked Dr. Hawass about the pyramid.
And he showed me how limestone could be split.
In fact, he split a five-ton piece in front of me.
But then when you finally get down to asking Dr. Hawass exactly how they got all of these gigantic stones, tons and tons and tons of stones onto the pyramid, his face goes blank, and he says, ah, but that is the mystery, isn't it?
It's an impossible thing.
It could not have been done with technology we have today, much less that which we had earlier.
My spirit guide said something very fantastic once to me.
She said, if you notice and you draw, you look at a map and you'll see strategically, I don't know what that means really, that there are pyramids placed on different spatial grids.
And she said they were nothing more at one time they had crystals on the top and they were like the crystal sets.
They were like telegraph communication centers in which people could telegraph back and forth.
And I think they also, especially when I went up inside Cheops, which is something I'll never, never forget, because when I was walking inside of Cheops, I, of course, was the only one that happened to see it, which is not too unusual, but you get kind of exasperated because you want other people to see it.
As I was climbing up this hot box, which was like a micro, you know, it was like an oven.
I really do believe, the more I've researched it, and I hate to keep talking about Vondonkin.
There's certainly much, not that he wasn't great, and he still has continued to write.
But I really have accepted the fact, or believe it with all my heart, that they were put there by UFOs or extraterrestrials, whichever way.
And it was some type of anti-gravitational rods or molecular displacement of some law of physics that we have no knowledge of.
Because that, to me, makes more sense to be able to lift those stones and plant them on there.
And it's very much like the Bible says, someday the stones will speak.
When I was in Egypt and went to Cheops, I said, my God, it really is almost a symbol of man's ascent.
Not descent, but ascent.
Because as I was walking up into this, you know, this horrible oven-like place, even though it was gigantic and marvelous, I began to see, like murals on the wall, which I later found out there weren't any, but I could see them.
It was almost like watching man's passage through the different survival mechanisms of his life, and then getting to the top, where the open sarcophagus was.
They're like, the Russians have been, you know, extending within 14 years.
I probably can move my mind.
I might tell you to do it, but no white hanging.
You know, you're a girl.
I think that some of the ancient times of the hippie, they're going over men's top movement.
the mind all right um open to you brown hello not loud um i've been dying to talk i was in pure chat room to hear me well i think i'll do reading about and don't think i but to tell you within three years of known that I would out of my whole family my psychiatric testing because I,
you know, be a teacher and I know be a friend and be teaching children, you know, and with treatment as basically wrong.
We've all said this isn't making sense to our bit of spread.
It's so much no date outside most of the shit, almost like it eight.
Like I'm going to go specialists.
That's the guides and people use those angels.
That's a defilement telly.
And I've done research on this.
Very much light and I patter that we entities that have lived on this earth.
And then we decide very much that, for instance, like let's say Art and I, and we both go over the other side and Art says, I have to come back again, which he doesn't.
But anyway, that's another story.
And he said, listen, Sylvie, would you watch out for me?
And I said, I'd be glad to, that I become Art's spirit guide.
And what your spirit guides do is they give you 100 messages a week, but we don't listen.
See, because we've always been taught not to take our first impression.
Well, actually, and even three in this area, I mean, in California, even in Missouri.
And I went under, at that time, at the University of Kansas City, and I went to see this Dr. Royal.
And then here I was studied by Dr. and I have no problem with mentioning their names because they know they are, Dr. Flattner, Dr. Rennick, and because I said, you know, I just can't come to grips with all this, what I call at the time, this strange phenomena.
And every single report, I still have them on file, said, you're very logical.
I even took MMPI, everything.
And they said, well, you're strong enough in your own right.
You don't need this secondary voice.
That was one of the pluses.
And the fact that I was just too logical.
I was too stable.
And whatever was going on with me was something that they didn't know.
And, you know, everybody has made all kinds of, you know, whether it's Oliver Stone or whatever.
I really don't think that Oswald did it.
I mean, if he did do it, I think there was a great conspiracy.
Notice how any president that really gets tremendously involved in anything that has to do with discrimination, freeing slaves, for some reason that's almost a setup for assassination.
It's almost like, here we go again with the diabolical side of the dark side, let's say, of mankind to get rid of something that's good.
And the best way that they do that, it seems to be, is to put them, you know, just take them right out.
But what it did was, it's sort of like the horrible Holocaust.
As horrible as that was, and I can speak from some authority because, I mean, my father was Jewish, it was probably the first time in history that anyone knew exactly what those people had gone through.
The horror of it.
So every horrible act, not god-oh, it's not just like these people come in to be almost like scapegoats.
We're supposed to clean on with what's going on with the Christians that were thrown into them, Dan.
I have never ever in my whole life in which an evil at some other word not evil spirit abound is more of a living that like maybe almost at all like more and I have some very fancy teeth I have depressed teeth and we're really stuck we're having the same thing.
I don't it's necessarily I've never been what I call thrilled about capital punishment only from standpoint there's sides of this of course the fact that it certainly saves the taxpayers but I don't think that that is a justifiable thing for some of these people that do horrendous crimes.
I think it's too easy for them to tell you the truth.
Animals, I've always believed, and I said this on the last Montel show, are almost, and I'm convinced, not almost, they're almost like spirit guides here on this earth.
I think they're like angels that are here.
And what we've done to these animals is just horrific.
In the phylum of human beings, we always call them less.
I don't call them less.
I call them more because in many ways, and that certainly doesn't mean that I don't love human beings because I've spent my whole life trying to take care of them.
But look at animals.
They have no greed.
They have no avarice.
They have no horrible, insidious.
And even animals that go amok are usually because some man has either starved them or crucified them in some way.
As far as philums go, they are way up there.
unidentified
Okay.
And my other question is, do you think that energy is, let's say, recorded in the environment and played back?
Absolutely.
Like, for example, seeing apparitions or deja vu, if you could elaborate on deja vu?
You know, take anybody in the listening audience, and I know that you can go into a house and you look at the outside and you think it's beautiful, and all of a sudden you go inside and you say, I don't know what it is, but I don't like it.
What you're doing is you're picking up energy that's there.
I found a lot of houses, in quotes, that were haunted, or we think they're haunted, and it really is.
Some are inhabited by really disgruntled spirits, but also it can be a place where a lot of violence has taken place.
And what you're doing is you're feeling the emanation of that violence.
It's almost like a slip in time.
There's a place called the Pacheco Path that has that.
I mean, I don't do the Pacheco Path, and I'm pretty strong, and I can almost wing out.
And because there's been so much horrible stuff going on, that the impact of the emotion is just more than you can stand somewhere.
I think the future of Christianity is probably more pure or going to be more pure than it's ever been.
I think it's going to be not just with the, you know, everybody's in an uproar about the Dead Sea Scrolls, which I think have great validity, but I think we're going to get back more to the actuality of what our Lord said rather than what somebody else said that he said.
I think that we're going to be far more purit, or let's say, Gnostic in that, that we're going to, because our Lord really wasn't prejudicial.
He never said what so many people put in his mouth.
You know, I've heard, I don't want to name any group or any, but you can hear sometimes on television as well, our Lord said, you know, you without sin throw the first stone, but this is what he really meant.
And I'm saying to myself, no, that isn't what he said.
Yeah, I have great hopes for that, and I think that's what's been wrong with the, I even addressed this, not to give a plug, but my book, The Other Side and Back, is when what happens is in the gangs, if you notice, it's always the head honcho, which is the so-called mother figure, the father figure.
That should give society a good inclination that the first unit of our culture is broken, that's the family.
And being what we think we are, or we call ourselves a Christian society, we've broken down that bond.
And if we don't repair that, aside from anything else that will happen to us in the topography of the world, or the air that we breathe, or whatever, this is going to be the ruination of mankind, if we don't pull our families together.
Like you said, the mother, the father, the...
I do know there's...
I had to raise my time by myself, which was through no fault of my own.
That's the way life deals its hand.
But nevertheless, you can try to make the best of that and try to raise your children with some kind of moral upbringing.
We have too many latchkey children.
We have too many kids that are just out there with no supervision and nobody cares.
You know, it's so much easier to say, I need a man in my life to make me what I am or a woman in my life to make me what I am, instead of saying, I need the other half of me to make me what I am.
And then whatever comes along, I'll just have that as an adjunct to myself.
I have to believe scientifically, aside from being from God, I have to believe that the soul, the ultimate, whatever you want to call it, is presupposed to a genetic strain.
I really do believe that.
But I do believe also that people can be taught to be somewhat psychic.
unidentified
Well, that was my question.
Because I have always believed that it was a gift from God.
Oh, of course it is.
Because I've run across people that they think you're, I don't know, if you have any ability or some evil, weird person.
But, you know what, and of course I'm a great Bible reader.
I've read all, you know, people say Bible.
I say, which version?
There's 26 versions of it.
And the one thing they quote is Deuteronomy, you know, is that don't consort with seers and sorcerers.
Well, who the hell is a seer and sorcerer?
I don't know any, I don't know what it would look like if I were to meet one.
And yet the Bible in itself is full of prophecy.
Right.
I think that that probably was a way of controlling.
You know, I've had people say, well, if you teach everybody to be psychic, we'll be out of business.
And I think, well, who cares?
If we all could have a psychic spiritual sense.
See, I think for years and years they tried to separate it.
It's not separate.
Because if you're truly a psychic, then you truly feel that you have some connection with the Holy Spirit.
And I don't mean it as being humble, but I mean, it's a great gift.
And it has to be guarded very, very closely.
You can't ever use it for your own good.
unidentified
Well, that's another thing, too.
I was going to ask if you've ever found, for my friends or people, well, strangers even, I just, I've only a few times have heard voices where I thought I was losing my mind.
Well, it's not the most, like I was talking about earlier, it's not the most pleasant thing to have happen to you in the world of which there seems to be the normalcy, whatever the hell that means, is that people just don't usually go around and hear voices and see things.
But what I've found by sort of coming out of the closet, as you might say, because I've always been out of the closet with it, but I think it's given people, if I haven't done anything else in this world, it's given them hope that if, good Lord, if she can come out and proclaim that she's this, then maybe I can, too.
Because it takes, I think that takes one of the most bravest things to do, is to proclaim to the world that you do feel and sense.
And what I've found so gratifying is people say to me, Zoe, I've always felt, like you just said, I've always felt this way, but I was afraid to say it to anybody.
unidentified
Well, around here, I'm from a small town, so I get a lot of that.
Well, I'm very thankful to God, and I'm very pleased.
I mean, it's and I think what prompted me to write the book was, like I told you in the beginning of this, is that everybody kept asking me, you know, and after 40 some odd years of doing research, I thought, well, why not put it down?
I had no really, because I'm not psychic about myself, I had no expectations that it would take off like that.
And I don't mean stirring a cauldron in the backyard and running around naked in the full moon.
I'm talking about, yes, certainly there's miracles and magic.
You know, love, I think, when you're in love, that's a magical thing.
It's something that transcends everything.
I think if we can use it in, I mean the most reverent terms.
I think God is magic.
It's just a marvelous feeling of euphoria.
Yeah, it happens.
You know, it's sort of like the color before that sedeja vu.
It's sort of like that wash that you get that it's not only a familiarity, but that bliss, as Joseph Campbell talks about, that once in a while we're privy to.
Well, you know, there's so many words for it, you know, and I've never been too much into, and I'm certainly not knocking anybody, I don't mean to, the esoteria is no different than the astral plane.
Now, there's different levels.
I mean, you can go astrally out of your body and wander around above the trees, you know, and not go anywhere.
But there are people who have been very adept at astral projection that have actually gone to the other side and brought back the same information that a person who has gone through a death and dying experience.
And that's what I was telling Art earlier, that there's, how could you say that's deprivation of oxygen?
But the astral plane usually refers to more or less going out of your body.
Now, if you're talking about the upper plane, or let's say the dimensional vibrational plane of the other side, then that's in a whole entirely different place.
I would think that based on what I've heard you say earlier, you would have some doubt about them because you don't seem to feel that there is an external evil force precisely that inhabits that way.
And I do believe with all my heart there's a privacy act that God gives all of us.
It's an interesting thing.
In researching, I've found out that people that have a very strong, let's say, religion mystic background will be possessed by a devil.
A person who has had a very historical background are more apt to be possessed by Napoleon.
It seems to be almost in reference to what our knowledge is.
And let's face it, there's many facets of our mind.
The woman that was talking to us earlier about the linear living lives on a linear plane, let's say that in this record that your needle for some reason can skip a groove, which would also make sense in what we call the multiples.
In other words, if my needle happened to skip, I could be a French boy.
I could be, you know, like Sybil or like Trudy.
It really isn't an evil entity.
I've always known that it was the emotional side of the brain that has encompassed the intellect, which can take the form of like a possession.
And don't get me wrong, I've used with a priest, I have been where I have actually used the Pauline book, which you will go through the whole exorcism because I'm convinced that if the person believes that, then you use whatever you need to use to help them with that.
But myself personally, no.
I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is no evil entity that can inhabit a person.
And create, well, we know for a fact, and it's been demonstrated in laboratories, that a person can be hypnotized, and you put an ice cube on their arm and tell them that it's hot poker, and a blister will come up.
Sylvia, I have not been able to put your book down since I read it, and I have, I think, found my spirit guide.
It may sound sort of funny, and I don't think that's a good idea.
I'll keep wondering if maybe Francine can tell me if this name is really real that I keep finding.
But could you tell me, is there any way I can, through my spirit guide, more effectively try and meet this person I'm wanting to see on the other side?
Yeah, you know, and I say, you know, to even the people that are listening, it's very easy.
It's not that complex.
I mean, a short version would be to just think of yourself at a seashore, put your feet in the sand, put your back against the palm tree, and say, look, would you please identify yourself, come out of the shadows, come with God, surround yourself with the white light of the Holy Spirit?
Not because I think there's anything evil.
It's just nice protection, not to get a lot of slots of injection that runs through the air.
And more times than not, as quick as I told you this, a person can get into a very relaxed state and really be very surprised if they meet someone that is there for them.
It's wonderful, you know, I mean, I think it's like to be received by people and, you know, and have them, well, I guess, validate what you've always believed.
Well, you know, Sylvia, I've watched the incredible, unaccountable growth of this program and, for example, your book and all things that have to do with whatever is beyond the material world that we live in right now.
This incredible sudden interest in spirituality generally.
That with all the darkness that we have, this incredible movement is just sweeping across the world.
And I don't think it's by, well, of course, it's always by God's design, but I think it's because people are so tired of being told that it's a mystery and you can't know it.
And I'm smarter and you're stupid.
And when it's all, you know, I always say, if you can really think of the question, I'm sure that we'll be able to find the answer somewhere.
In fact, you know that there were 13 books left out of the 17th.
Yes, The Book of Assets during the reign of Constantine.
unidentified
That's terrible.
I hate that.
Anyway, I wanted to know, you talk about the Earth tilting on its axis, and in the book, there's a key in the book, 317, that mentions medical astronomy and the axiotonal lines, which are the magnetic grids around the Earth.
And I wondered if we all need an alignment to align ourselves with the changing of the tilting of the Earth on its axis.
Well, I think the alignment really has to do, yeah, like we were talking about, I think it's great to eat right and exercise and everything, but I think we really have to have mind, body, and spirit.
So I think that if we really do spiritually align, because after all, we are spirits just inhabiting a vehicle, if we really align ourselves, and it's not that difficult.
I think it's very much like, you know, if you read all the theological works, which I've read so many of them, you really get down to very basics, and that's really love God, do good, and then shut up and go home.
I think there's a lot of magnetic shifts going on, and I think that that might really attribute to what I call almost a rising number of depression that we see.
Yes.
But I think that if not so much, because I hate false hope.
I think that's the worst thing you can do to anybody.
But I think the hope of things getting better.
And like Art was just saying, this gigantic sweep of spiritualism across the country, the world.
You know, they really actually started in England, and there's been an awful lot of disclosure on that, that so many of the crop circles were when they had infrared cameras out, that people were actually running around doing them.
But then there's a great majority of, not a great, but there's quite a few, numerous ones that are, that they can't explain them.
If you look very, very carefully at some of them, they almost look like their diagrams.
And my spirit guide says some of them are almost like diagrams pointing to a galaxy.
unidentified
So they'd be coming from the ultraterrestrial probability?
Mankind does communicate on either a mathematical or, let's say, a musical note.
Well, if you look at some of these, they really are.
And when they've taken a lot of the, let's say, some kind of magnetic thing, they're getting very high readings on some of those crop circles.
But no, there are definitely some of them that were done by man, but there's also some of them that are just totally unexplainable.
unidentified
You bet.
My second question is, the Mayan calendar puts a lot of emphasis on this coming Friday the 13th.
And in the 500-year calendar, they're focusing on this particular date as a door opening or another dimension opening where a lot of different energies are going to be coming in.
It seems like every culture has had some name for it, but it's usually in a very simplistic way of lying in bed is what usually happens.
Sometimes there's a vibration, there's a whistling noise, and then the next thing the person knows is they're up on the ceiling looking down at their body.
This usually scares literally almost the liver out of people, but it just goes to prove that you are not the body in which you inhabit.
I've never been a great, not that I don't think there's anything wrong, I myself personally, Sylvia, am not a great advocate of astral projection.
I've done it, but I'm also very concerned about people that want to do it all the time because I think that it's the same thing as taking drugs or anything else.
I think you're supposed to stay here and get through everything that you're supposed to get through.
Wouldn't it be terrible, Art, if everything that happened, we flip out of our body, and it's sort of like, okay, if I'm going through grief, I'll take a pill.
So I'm not, I mean, I know it exists, and I think it's marvelous research to know that the soul exists, but I don't believe that we should be flipping around outside of our body all the time.
Well, it's a very interesting thing to note that now this is really going to throw us into something, but there's been a lot of people who in the state of living have been caught outside of their bodies and people think they're dead or they're a ghost because they have astrally projected to another place.
But yes, people have seen people that have been outside of their bodies.
Well, I think that aside from the fact that I think we can see faces in clouds, we can see faces in cliffs or whatever, because I don't believe in the word imagination anyway.
I think that's one of the worst words that was ever coined in the English language because it's made us all believe that everything we ever think or feel is imagination.
What I think you're probably seeing is a form of energy that might have been there, whether it's an Indian face or whatever.
You've instructed it to be in the mountain.
But I'd be rest assured, I'm convinced that what you're seeing is probably the energy of someone or people that might have lived in that area.
And you're just converting it to be the craggy mountainside or whatever.
unidentified
That's very interesting because some of them look like they're Egyptian in nature.
And for me to be seeing something like that in Montana is very strange.
And I read your first book and understood that it's almost like everyone has a blueprint of their life that they follow, and there are different places where you have your own choices and you can kind of wise in your trail where you follow your own path.
I think it makes it nice, though, just to have the conscious knowledge that the possibility is there.
Because I loved what Ruth Montgomery called them.
She called them the companions along the way.
They're always nudging us.
And like I said to Art earlier, there's a hundred messages a week that we get.
You know, like it's like people that don't usually fasten their seatbelt, all of a sudden they get an overwhelming feeling to fasten their seatbelt and realize they could have been an accident or call somebody on the phone and find out they were sick.
If we listen to those, what we call the inner voice, of course it's really an outer voice, but it doesn't matter what we call it, I think we'd be so much better off.
So it's just a matter of stepping back and my spirit guide always says, please don't be in the body.
Try to be above the body.
I think we get too earthbound in this body.
And I don't mean, like we were talking about earlier, in a state of astral, but be a little bit removed from.
Don't be so earthbound, you know, because it's like illness or anything else.
You get too settled in your body.
You get too involved in your own aches and pains.
You're just miserable.
Somebody calls on the phone that's happy and wants to take you out somewhere, and all of a sudden you forget all that and you go out and have a great time.
unidentified
Right.
Well, thank you very much, and I'll be seeing you in Minneapolis in October.
You know, it's sort of like if it's Tuesday, it's got to be Belgium or whatever.
But yeah, I really do, and I love the people.
I mean, I don't think there's anything better than to be able to talk to people in an audience where you feel the warmth and the love, and they're with you.
Her number one bestseller is a book that I guess you better check out.
It's called The Other Side and Back.
The Other Side and Back.
It's a very good title, actually.
I'm Mark Bell, and this, of course, is Coast to Coast A.M. And by the way, congratulations to somebody who caught a fill frame of a meteor on the little show we're putting on tonight.
We'll have that posted at the end of the program unless I get a better one between now and then.
Well, what I was telling Art, I said, you know, I think the worst word that was ever coined in the English language was imagination because there's so many things we sense and feel and have, let's call it double feelings about.
We say, oh, it's just my imagination.
And I think that what that does is negate the fact, I think that even with small children, they'll see spirits.
They see, you know, even, you know, like we've, in my group, we teach a lot of children, you know, and we talk to them about the Holy Spirit and they say, or the white light around them.
Oh, yes, we see it.
See, children are so close to God that it's not drummed out of them yet.
So I think if we just go with our, let's say, that gut level feeling, that we can get in touch with our spirit guys and not use that awful word, oh, I just imagined it.
Because the minute you do that, you put a negative in.
unidentified
So while you're meditating, and if you do see something or feel something, leave it.
I've always felt, because even when I've done regressive therapy or doing hypnosis for habit control or whatever, I've always said, you know, again, take your first impression.
A lot of it is sentient.
You know, you don't always have to see things in 3D living color.
In fact, I've always been suspicious of that.
I don't have a little camera in the front of my forehead.
But to feel, to sense, to know, sometimes that's even, that's really what it should be called, a sixth sense.
No, but I'm very anxious to see the movie because being a child growing up and seeing, I've seen the trailers and seeing people walking around and all that and crying to my grandmother that I saw this spirit or that spirit, and she just sort of scoffed it off and said, oh, don't be silly.
We've all done that.
It's very real to me.
So I'm going to be very interested to see that movie.
Okay, she talked about a time when I guess we'd go into the Segura Temperatures or something like that, something that the monks were preparing themselves for.
I know that there was a convent in France approximately 200 years ago where the nuns were very cloistered and they began to flop around on the ground and think they were possessed and all this other business.
I think sometimes being sequestered, left alone, being too isolated, not being able to communicate, I'm certainly not knocking any religious belief, but there's been an awful lot of that with people that have been sequestered too long.
I talked to a marvelous man that when I did the Alcatraz story, I came up with some very startling facts.
And he talked about in isolation when he actually willed his body to go other places and have these very vivid dreams that became later almost like premonitions.
But he said that was the only thing that kept him sane.
Put someone in a total cloistered atmosphere.
You sometimes, with people that can be a little bit unstable, even stable people can flip out.
I think that if God didn't make us with a mouth that spoke and arms that held each other, and let's even be more graphic, a body that fits into each other, I think that God would have made us all tubers with rollers on us.
Sylvia, you know, I don't know how it can be avoided.
You know, again, coming back for a second to Y2K, you say to people, and everybody's going to say that, including Greenspan and everybody else, you know, be prudent and have a little of this or that ready, but, you know, don't go out and hoard anything.
And you know what that's going to do?
It's going to cause people to do the exact opposite.
Up here in Washington, one question I want to know for sure when you were saying the, you know, this side going underwater and whatnot, are we going to be okay sort of on this side of the mountain?
And, you know, who in the hell, I'm not going to worry, not because of my age, but I mean, I have children and grandchildren, but I'm not going to worry about what's going to happen between now and, let's say, or 26 to 30 years from now.
I'm not going to worry about that.
I've said to people, if you really believe what I say, when I move, you move.
I'm not moving anywhere.
unidentified
Oh, I've got four boys.
I hope to carry on a good family line going on there.
I'm really anxious to see Sylvia's lecture on August 21st in Albuquerque.
And I had a question in regards to MS. She had mentioned like in the next hundred years there would be a cure for this.
And I have a relative afflicted by this, and I'm wondering if there's anything coming up sooner.
Therapy's a good idea.
There's a marvelous drug that's just been developed.
And it's called, it's out of John Hopkins.
And I don't know the name of it because I'm not a doctor, but they call it the ABC drug.
And they also have developed a better facet of beta-interferon that's also helping.
And this ABC drug that they have now developed is people that have taken it even on an experimental basis are having no pain, no internal neurological problems, almost like the whole system has gone into remission.
In my years of being sensitive, I find it comes to me, and yet there seems to be some kind of fear or resistance to, and yet I so much enjoy being able to help people or work with this, and then yet I find some deep resistance inside of me sometimes.
Well, I think that's a primordial fear that maybe came, you know, out of a lot of dogma.
But I think it's sort of, you know, I've always said, let God and like go.
I think the fear also comes from the fear of being wrong, you know, because the stupid ego gets in the way.
But if you just open your mouth and say, God, hit it, you know, I mean, it really comes so much easier.
It takes practice to have that kind of courage.
But once you do it enough, it's like a muscle that begins to respond.
The Wiccan is the oldest, probably, aside from Gnosticism and Essenes.
It's always been known more as the pantheistic religion, you know, that God resides into everything.
I am not necessarily a believer in necessarily the wicked, but I think they've always been given a bad slant that wiccasts are not just witches with cauldrons.
You see what I mean?
It's a very, very, what I call earthy religion that has a lot to do with the mother goddess and all that.
I think whatever you follow, I think that the main thing is that we know that there is a higher being, that we know that there's good and evil in the world, and that the separation of that is that we walk on the good side of things and never wish any bad or harm to come to anybody.
As long as we do that, it really doesn't matter what we want to call ourselves.
The life theme is sort of like a course of study that you take on.
I know it's not supposed to be personal, but for way of showing what I mean, you took on the theme of responsibility and rejection, which are really tough themes, which means you'll live out your life.
That doesn't mean you're going to be rejected all your life.
But on the other side of the coin, you're responsible for everything, even things you're not responsible for.
As long as we live our themes, but themes are given to us to not only learn.
It's sort of like once you learn algebra, you don't have to keep doing it.