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	Welcome to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from June 8th, 1999.
	From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be in your time zone, wherever that is.
	From the Tahitian and Hawaiian island chains out west, eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S.
	Virgin Islands, south all the way into South America and north to the pole, And of course, worldwide on the internet, thanks to the genius of Broadcast.com, and the incredible technology of Intel Corporation, you can actually go to my website, download the G2 program, G as in George 2, G2, put it up on your computer, and it's free, by the way.
	Free, free, free.
	And then come back to my website and click on Streaming Video, and here I will be, Not only will you see, but you will hear me doing the program.
	I call it Almost Television.
	All right.
	Item number one on this Tuesday night, Wednesday morning is a picture, photograph.
	This is the doggonest photograph.
	I've got it on the website for you to see.
	The photograph was taken by Teresa M.F.
	Martin, M-A-R-T-E-N.
	And Teresa went to Medjugorje.
	Now, I'm telling you right now, she took this of a friend of hers named Vika.
	And you're going to have to help me explain how this photograph could possibly be.
	Avika was holding in her hand Pray With The Heart books.
	Pray With The Heart books.
	I mean, there she was in Medjugorje, right?
	And they took this photograph of her, and it absolutely shows a beam of light, a very sharp, specific, narrow beam of light, which goes through a prison Behind her.
	I'm describing this.
	You can go up there and look at it for yourself.
	It goes through a person behind her, pierces her body, and you don't see it piercing the bodies.
	This is what is so odd.
	This is not a photographic anomaly.
	No way.
	It pierces Vicka's heart.
	It has to be going right exactly through her heart, and then out the other side, And you will clearly see it coming out the books.
	Now, if this is trick photography, I sure don't know how it could have been done.
	I receive, on average, literally hundreds of photographs, you know, every month.
	Hundreds.
	And you never see most of them.
	But this one?
	Oh, this one's a real trip.
	Really, I suggest you go up there and take a look.
	Incredible photograph.
	Absolutely incredible.
	And I'm sure we'll get the usual pixel people who will tear it apart, but it's one of the best I've ever seen with reference to its inexplicability.
	Cannot be explained.
	So take a look.
	See what you think.
	All right.
	Next item.
	It was about eight or nine months ago.
	Let me take you back.
	The original program I had prior to Dreamland was called Area 2000, and it was sponsored by the Bigelow Foundation.
	Bob Bigelow in Las Vegas.
	And that eventually became Dreamland, which then eventually influenced Coast, and it's a long story.
	Suffice to say, Bob Bigelow is A benefactor to ufology and to investigations of the unexplained life after death, that sort of thing.
	Bob Bigelow I've known now for years.
	And I had a talk with Bob Bigelow, I don't know, it was some months ago, and he was setting up a mechanism which would decide how to disperse the monies that he had that he could put into useful venues For ufology.
	And he asked me what I thought, and I told him what I thought.
	I said, well, Bob, you know, the one thing that we refer to all the time on the air, the Brookings study, report, Brookings report, whatever you want to call it, basically suggested that so many people would freak out if there was some kind of alien presence proven, or, you know, if they landed, whatever, if we suddenly realized the whole thing is real.
	The Brookings report seemed to suggest that the wise course of action for the government would be to keep it secret if they could.
	And I said, Bob, you know, what about going back to Brookings and getting another, commissioning another report?
	He said, doggone good idea, and I guess they went to Brookings.
	Bob did, Bob Bigelow at my suggestion, and they said they didn't have the facilities at the time or whatever to do it right now.
	So, earlier today I received the following.
	From the National Institute for Discovery Science.
	How would humans react if E.T.
	were to land?
	And here's what I read.
	NASA and the scientific community are actively searching for evidence of extraterrestrial life.
	But what if we were confronted with undeniable proof that E.T.' 's exist and have been visiting Earth?
	A nationwide survey by the ROPER organization Has uncovered the following, and I'll give you this evidence in a moment.
	It says, The Roper Survey was conducted on behalf of the National Institute for Discovery Science, NIDS, a privately funded scientific research organization based in Las Vegas, Nevada.
	The pollsters asked nationwide a sample of 1,971 men and women a variety of questions
	concerning a sudden confirmation of extraterrestrial life.
	The poll has an error margin of 2.5 percent.
	So when I saw this, I went, aha!
	Bob thought it was a good idea, and did it!
	And sure enough, I called Bob Bigelow, and he had done it.
	Confirmed.
	He commissioned the Roper poll, and here, folks, are the results.
	One out of four Americans Think that most people would totally freak out and panic if such evidence were confirmed.
	Totally freak out and panic.
	Now, I'm sure the poll supplied a multiple-choice type answer, you know, like, how would it, how do you think it would affect people?
	They wouldn't care.
	They'd, you know, from that to totally freak out and panic.
	One in four think the other guy Uh, one of four of the other guy would totally freak out and panic.
	Now, here's an interesting sidebar to that, and I talked to Bob earlier and he said, however, most of the people surveyed about how their own reaction would be declared they would not be the one of four.
	In other words, people think that of other people, but not themselves.
	Here's another one.
	Eighty percent of influential Americans Think the U.S.
	government, listen to this now, would classify or suppress evidence of extraterrestrial life.
	You want to listen to that one again?
	Eighty percent, that's eight out of ten, of influential Americans surveyed think the U.S.
	government would classify or suppress evidence of extraterrestrial life.
	Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!
	Eight out of ten.
	One out of four would freak out and panic, and eight out of ten thinks the government would not tell us the truth about it.
	So, is it not then reasonable, based on these new numbers, the first real survey, in fact in some ways more extensive than Brookings, confirms in my way of thinking, and in fact goes beyond what Brookings said, And so, let me continue.
	Among other findings, when asked what they thought UFOs were, 25% thought alien spaceships, 12% thought secret government programs, 9% said hallucinations, 19% said UFOs are normal events that are misinterpreted by witnesses, and 7% said travelers from other dimensions.
	When asked whom they would choose to make first contact with ETs on Earth, 20%, that's one in five, said the military.
	29% said scientists, 14% said the government, and 11% said religious leaders, and 20% said a private organization that had planned for such a contingency.
	That's interesting!
	So, 20% said the military.
	Who would you most like to have them contact?
	The military?
	The elected government?
	Scientists?
	Religious leaders?
	Or some private organization that had planned for such a contingency?
	Pretty well evenly split among those.
	To continue, there have been no systematic studies about the potential impact of confirmed contacts as Dr. Colin Keller, I believe it is,
	Colin Keller, Deputy Administrator of NIDS, and by the way, I'm going to try and have him on the air
	here.
	A 1960 report by the Brookings Institute and an internal RAND document
	from 1968 predicted profound social consequences if contact were confirmed, but in 30 years,
	there have been no follow-up studies.
	Exactly right.
	In 30 years, there have been no follow-up studies, so I would like to commend Bob Bigelow for doing, finally, a follow-up study.
	Are you surprised?
	Are you surprised?
	I'm not.
	I thought all along that if we were to do another Brookings Institute-type study, we would come up with virtually identical results.
	In other words, I think not a lot has changed, and this confirms that.
	So we're going to try and have Kelleher on.
	Kelleher.
	I know I'm slaughtering his name.
	It's Irish, I believe, Coln.
	C-O-L-N.
	And we're going to try and get in touch with him.
	Bob said he'd give me a call and we'll come on and talk about this on the air.
	Remarkable, when you think about it.
	All right, let's see.
	In the real world, what is going on?
	China and Russia demanded today that NATO stop bombing Yugoslavia before the UN Security Council formally adopts a resolution ending the Kosovo conflict and paving the way for 850,000 refugees to go back home.
	So, I don't know.
	NATO warplanes, in fact, are busy attacking targets across Serbia.
	In a thunderous warning to President Milosevic to implement a peace plan or else.
	India and Pakistan, and this is good because I was worried about this one, agreed today to hold weekend peace talks aimed at ending fighting over Kashmir.
	Now, you've got to remember that India and Pakistan have got nuclear weapons.
	And if things should really get out of control, I guess I don't have to follow up on that one, do I?
	Big ruckus over Time Magazine's most influential soul of the century.
	I think that's what it is, of the century, right?
	And you know what it's coming down to?
	Hitler.
	Or Jesus?
	Jesus was the early favorite, but Hitler soon surged to the top, beating out Jesus.
	That's all before Yitzhak Rabin gathered crucial momentum and toppled the Nazi ruler, and before the computer-generated boom lit for Bill Gates.
	Time Magazine is moving towards selecting a person of the century, and has engaged millions of global citizens with what's turned into a brilliant publicity stunt, an online poll.
	The competition has galvanized constituency groups, produced waves of email lobbying, even led to electronic ballot box stuffing.
	Well, when you do it online, you know you're going to get stuffed.
	No question about that.
	So what about it?
	Do you think Jesus or Hitler?
	Jesus had the early lead, but Hitler has now crawled ahead.
	Now wouldn't that be a hell of a thing for Time, wouldn't it?
	if they had to go actually publish on the cover, the most influential person of the
	century was Hitler. Then Rabin and Gates. Jesus or Hitler.
	The most influential person of the century was Hitler. Then Rabin and Gates. Jesus or
	Hitler or Jesus?
	I wouldn't want to be doing that one, thank you very much.
	This is just for all of you.
	My listeners, it's...
	It is the latest production of the Dana Ray Band.
	It's all about Y2K.
	Listen carefully to the words, very carefully.
	You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 8th, 1999.
	Buddy, that'll be the day when the chips cash in on New Year's Day.
	What's gonna happen, no one knows for sure.
	The only thing for certain is there ain't no cure.
	Stocks could drop wildly, and elevators too.
	We'll be cavemen again when it all comes unglued.
	The government's trying to sweep it under the rug.
	There's no magic spray for the Millennium Bug.
	They've created a monster that's about to break free.
	There's nothing quite as scary as technology.
	Why worry about Y2J?
	It won't make a bit of difference anyway.
	Some genius wasn't thinking now we've all got a pay.
	And the gyps go still on New Year's Day The Egyptians had a good thing for a while
	That big pyramid would make any Pharaoh smile Dead flying cars and houses weren't slaves to gravity
	Till their ships ran out on 2000 BC Peace.
	Chaos won't be just a theory anymore Computers have been waiting to even up the score.
	Just like the Tower of Babel, when communications die.
	So bucker up and over, and kiss it all goodbye.
	Why worry about Y2K?
	There's nothing you can do about it anyway.
	You won't find me on an airplane, I think it's safe to say.
	We're going down with our ships on New Year's Day.
	So why worry about Y2K?
	We could all lose a pound or two anyway.
	I'll be running for the hills.
	Why worry about Y2K?
	It won't make a bit of difference anyway.
	They say the world's gonna stop.
	Buddy, that'll be the day.
	When the chips cash in on New Year's Day.
	What's gonna happen no one knows for sure.
	The only thing for certain is there ain't no cure.
	Stocks could drop wildly and elevators too.
	We'll be cavemen again when it all comes unglued.
	The government's trying to sweep it under the rug.
	There's no magic spray for the Millennium Bug.
	They created a monster that's about to break free.
	There's nothing quite as scary as technology.
	Why worry about Y2K?
	It won't make a bit of difference anyway.
	Some genius wasn't thinkin' now we've all gotta pay.
	And the gyps go stale on New Year's Day The Egyptians had a good thing for a while
	That big pyramid would make any pharaoh smile Head flying cars and houses weren't slaves to gravity
	Till the ships ran out onto the sea Chaos won't be just a theory anymore
	Computers have been waiting to even up the score.
	Just like the Tower of Babel when communications die.
	So fucker up and over and kiss it all goodbye.
	Why worry about Y2K?
	There's nothing you can do about it anyway.
	You won't find me on an airplane, I think it's safe to say.
	We're going down with our chips on New Year's Day.
	So why worry about Y2K?
	We could all lose a pound or two anyway.
	I'll be running for the hills.
	Don't be standing in my way.
	Such a party in the streets on New Year's Day.
	Won't seem like Kansas anymore on New Year's Day.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 8th, 1999.
	That is the Dana Ray Band.
	And remember, you heard it first right here.
	By the way, by the way, I just...
	Some of you probably know what a Marconi Award is.
	Others probably don't.
	But it is the highest award given in radio.
	And it's given by the National Association of Broadcasters.
	a marconi award you know that the problem some of you probably know what a
	marconi award is others probably don't
	but it is the highest award given in radio and it's given by the national association of broadcasters
	and this year the nominees are the bob and tom show
	Oh.
	Don Imus in the morning.
	Jim Bohannon, The Jim Bohannon Show.
	This reads just like the Oscars, doesn't it?
	Rush Limbaugh, The Rush Limbaugh Show.
	And Art Bell, Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
	So, it is a high honor.
	Whether you make it or not, it is indeed a very high honor to be nominated for a Marconi.
	Thank you.
	You gotta go check out that picture on my website, folks.
	Right through the heart.
	You pixel people out there, let me hear you explain this one away.
	Again, where do you go?
	www.artbell.com www.artbell.com Just one last thing, I've got so much, I know.
	Then we'll go to open lines here.
	A tremendous explosion took place on the surface of the sun last Tuesday.
	This is from the BBC, folks.
	Remember what Ed Dames said.
	Now let me read this again.
	A tremendous explosion took place on the surface of the sun last Tuesday, and for a few very nervous hours, astronomers did not know whether it was heading for Earth.
	The blast threw a jet of superheated plasma carrying magnetic energy Into space at speeds of 1,000 kilometers per second, or about 600 miles per second.
	And the scientists who monitored this explosion called it a planet buster.
	A planet buster.
	Again, that's from BBC News.
	I thought you might be interested.
	Oh, by the way, Thursday night, no guests here.
	We're going to do ghosts.
	We haven't done ghosts in a while.
	We're going to do an entire night of ghosts on, well, I call it when I do that, Ghost to Ghost AM.
	So those of you who have good ghost stories will have your opportunity, because that's all we're going to do on Thursday night.
	To the lines we go.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	I've been thinking about the whole Y2K and Everything that's been going on as far as all of the paranormal activity in the way of all the sightings of black triangles and just putting everything together.
	Yes.
	And it seems to me like we are headed for something.
	Nobody really knows what.
	That's right.
	But I have a question.
	Why don't we try to stop this?
	Why don't we put our energies out there?
	For everyone, like we have been doing for Terrence McKenna.
	Oh, thank you for mentioning that.
	Well, it's an idea I'm considering.
	But it's a very different thing than... I mean, it's hard to go wrong wishing somebody's tumor to get smaller, or wishing them to recover from a heart attack, or you know, whatever.
	That's one thing, and the good there is unmistakable.
	But when we start tampering with the basic forces of The cosmos.
	Then I get a little edgy, so I'm still thinking about it, but I'm not rejecting the idea.
	I'm thinking about it, okay?
	One thing that I know is, um, I can't remember his name, but people refer to him as Dr. Doom.
	How he said that he saw, like, a spike.
	That's Ed Dames.
	Oh, yes.
	Ed Dames.
	Did you hear what I just read about the sun?
	Uh, no, I did not.
	I just turned you on after getting out of the shower.
	Oh, all right.
	Well, they just detected an explosion on the sun.
	Wonderful.
	The BBC reports it's not Fortunately, and I say fortunately, headed toward Earth because the scientists who monitored this called it a planet buster.
	Whoa.
	Ha ha, that's what I said, too.
	Whoa.
	This I didn't know, but I was, you know, thinking with the mass consciousness, I know it works.
	It's part of my religion.
	Yes, it does.
	It does work, sir.
	Thank you.
	But again, again, when you're wishing somebody To be well.
	It's unmistakably good, and a fairly straightforward process, or even when you're trying to bring rain, although I'm not sure about that one, but when you're trying to, when you're really trying to tamper with the basic forces of consciousness and nature and time and timelines and what's going to occur, you know, the biggie in this dimension, I don't know.
	So I'm not rejecting the idea, it's just I have not fully bought into the idea yet, but Be advised, I am thinking about it.
	Here's something that W.A.B.C.
	in New York made up that I thought was really, really cute.
	Check this out.
	Can't sleep.
	Up antenna.
	Switch on.
	Press talk button.
	It's a journey.
	Into the unknown.
	With Arthur.
	You're crazy!
	Are you crazy?
	Are you crazy?
	Maybe he is crazy.
	Arthur's right.
	I thought you were crazy!
	This is the crazy man, Mark Bell, overnights at Fort Bynum on 77 WABC.
	Ha ha ha ha ha!
	That is really well done.
	They have some very, very creative people back at WABC.
	And a good target, me.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Yes, good evening, Art.
	How are you doing?
	I'm just fine.
	Or good morning, should I say?
	I'm sorry.
	Well, I guess back to, where are you?
	I'm in Boston.
	It'd be morning.
	Listen, I love listening to your show, especially on the net.
	I'm on the net now.
	And the cam's coming in good.
	Is it?
	It's coming in a lot better than when it first started off.
	I just wanted to let you know that.
	You mean the streaming video?
	Yeah, the G2.
	Yeah, the reason for that is that they have been using me as an experiment and they have been slowly, slowly... Tweaking it.
	Tweaking it.
	Change in the parameters a little here and there, getting it just right, and they're really getting it right.
	Yeah, they're really getting it good.
	And I think they're going to be the premier video streamers on the net very soon.
	But the reason for my call is I'm in agreement with that last caller that I believe that we're on the brink of something.
	Unique happening in the history of the world.
	And I was wondering, I know that you're not a research investigator or anything, but I was curious if maybe you could do a show on the ship that they found in the Uhura Gorge on Mount Ararat, or half of the ship.
	The other half is up on the mountain.
	Now, I don't know that they actually found it.
	It's kind of controversial.
	I know the photograph, and I've seen the one on Ararat, where you seem to see no satellite.
	Yeah, satellite photo.
	It really looks like Noah's Ark.
	Yeah, and as a matter of fact, they've had several expeditions up there, and an individual, this was on PAX TV, I think it's my cable, it's channel 19, but I guess it's out of Chicago, in February, February 15th at 8 a.m.
	It was an expedition for Noah's Ark, and individuals have even taken pieces of wood from the ship.
	Um, off of the, uh, the mountain.
	But, um, could I send you some information?
	You sure could.
	Okay.
	And, and I will follow up.
	Yeah, what do I send it to?
	Um, are you mailing or emailing or... I could email.
	Or what?
	I could email.
	Email?
	Artbell, uh, artbell at AOL.com.
	Okay, you've got it.
	Alright.
	Thanks a lot.
	Uh, take care.
	Yes, I've seen the photographs of what appears to be a ship on Ararat.
	There's no question about it.
	Now, whether they've actually recovered wood, in quote, samples, I mean, would it really be wood after all this time?
	I don't know.
	Do I believe it could have happened?
	Yes, I do.
	I don't, and I know that surprises a lot of people, but I don't reject what we think we know from the Bible any more than I reject any other theory.
	I'm open, and it could easily be absolutely true.
	After all, it is a recorded document.
	Suspicious as we may be of its I certainly don't reject the fact that Noah may have had an ark, and it may be up on Ararat.
	Could well be.
	Let's see.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Excuse me?
	Well, no excuses needed, sir.
	You're on the air.
	Turn your radio off.
	Hello.
	Talking about biblical concepts.
	Yes.
	Well, I made one during the program.
	Oh, did you?
	Yes.
	Do you remember during the program when I said, Hey, Jose, could these rods be human souls?
	Well, actually, there's many references.
	Well, I made one during the program.
	Oh, did you?
	Yes.
	Do you remember during the program when I said, Hey, Jose, could these rods be human souls?
	Well, actually, there's many references.
	They're called fiery flying serpents.
	And from what the Bible says, they're very poisonous and deadly.
	I don't know if these are the same creatures, but... Nor do I. His own words were, he described them as flying serpents.
	Flying serpents.
	Maybe human souls, sir, that are relegated to the earth plane, in other words, they don't ascend after death, are here as a kind of hell, and maybe they are the rods.
	Hell-bound souls flitting about at the edge of our vision.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Oh, this is Mr. Bell?
	This is Mr. Bell.
	Great.
	I'm the only one here.
	Okay, thank you.
	Let me turn the radio off.
	Yes, turn it off, please.
	And tell me, first of all, your first name only.
	Yes, Joan, calling from Menlo Park, California.
	Well done, Joan.
	Welcome.
	Thank you very much.
	I wanted to see what you thought was the chances now that the bombing has not ceased of our getting into either first a major conflict or second a global conflict along the line which your guest Mr. Skousen mentioned.
	Well I think a global conflict is a risk of what we are doing.
	There is no question about it.
	With China and Russia demanding the bomb stop.
	They're not asking now, they're demanding.
	You've got to imagine it's possible, right?
	Mr. Skousen, on your program, predicted a war between the United States and Russia, which was arranged directly by leaders of the American government in cahoots with the Chinese and the Muslims to overthrow the United States.
	And so that is the purpose of Mr. Clinton's war, according to Mr. Skousen, it seems to me.
	I don't know.
	I buy into that as a possibility.
	I don't buy into it as a probability.
	I think Mr. Skousen would say this maybe is not the particular conflict he had in mind because he didn't have a particular conflict.
	He just had a general plan that he mentioned.
	Right.
	It would be interesting to update him.
	I mean, you know, to bring him back and see what he had to say at this juncture, I think.
	Well, it's either, I guess, I'm worried about every aspect of this.
	I think we've done A dumb thing.
	If we send 100,000 plus troops into Kosovo and there's not really a peace, not really a peace, then those 100,000 plus are in grave danger.
	And I, I don't like any step of what's occurred so far.
	Well, it does seem that with the fact that we can no longer retaliate, we've not put in SDI.
	Understand there's an executive order that overrides Congress on SDI, that we cannot retaliate until we're already bombed, and that we're giving all our secrets to China.
	Um, truly a conspiracy of some sort between the Chinese, Mr. Clinton, and the NATO leaders, and maybe even the KLA drug runners, you know, over there.
	I must tell you though, I honestly, I don't buy that.
	Whatever you may think of Mr. Clinton, President Clinton, I don't for a second think that he is in some dark conspiracy to ensure that a nuclear war is Initiated between Russia and the United States.
	That'd be a planet buster.
	And whatever you think of Mr. Clinton, and I know a lot of you don't think much, I don't think that he has that in mind at all.
	I don't think he wants that as his legacy.
	But we are, in my estimation, doing a very stupid thing, and have been since the first day we began bombing in Yugoslavia, and I fear for the troops that will go in.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi, Art Bell?
	Yes.
	Hey, this is Mike from Sarival, New Jersey.
	Well, hi, Mike.
	I got two questions for you.
	Sure.
	Has there been any new information on the Roswell crash?
	Has there been anything new?
	Not really.
	Not since the Air Force Stupid News Conference, Roswell case closed.
	Is that where they said that the bodies that were... Yeah, were dummies, right.
	Dummies from... That's right.
	My other question is, Somebody told me that the government has officially admitted that Area 51 exists.
	Is that true?
	Not as far as I know.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I love your show.
	Thanks.
	All right.
	Try picking up, you know, the telephone.
	Call the operator and see if you can get a phone number for Area 51.
	Have you ever tried that?
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Yes, Mr. Bell?
	Hello.
	Hi, my name's Myra.
	I'm from Houston.
	Hi, Myra.
	I wondered if you got a couple of articles I sent you about Peoria, Illinois.
	What about Peoria?
	Cemeteries, the historical cemeteries.
	Oh yes ma'am, I certainly did.
	And I can't seem to find, I'm having a difficult time doing research on the owner.
	Alright, there's no reasonable way on the air that I can help you out with this.
	You know, what you are talking about may well bring, as I'm sure you're aware, It may be a matter of litigation in courts and lawsuits and all of that.
	There is a lawsuit on right now.
	I'm sure there is.
	So it's one of those things that I would hesitate without the conflicting parties to discuss on the air.
	It'll have to resolve itself in court, but it is quite a story and I thank you for the information which I have read and I am tracking it and for everybody else, sorry about that.
	When there is a resolution to this case, Or we get both parties on.
	I'd be glad to have them on the air.
	I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Alan Mescher is coming up next.
	So, touch not that dial.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	So nice featuring a replay of Coaster Coaster M from June 8th 1999
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	Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight's program originally aired June 8th, 1999.
	Good morning, everybody.
	Great to be here.
	Coming up in a moment is Alan Mesher.
	And he has written a book called The T-Zone.
	That's T as in Tom Zone.
	He's been a spiritual healer all his adult life, but we're going to talk about the T-Zone.
	And the fact that he says the world has now entered a prolonged dark period.
	We'll tell you more in a moment.
	Now listen to me.
	I'm telling you.
	You've got to see the photograph I've got up on the website right now from Medjugorje.
	It's one of the best I've ever seen.
	If you can explain this away, fine, but it shows a spear of light going right through two bodies.
	You don't actually see it passing through the bodies, but entering on one side and then coming out on the other.
	Right through the heart.
	And right through books.
	It's the doggonest photograph you've ever seen.
	Tell me all about it.
	Go take a look on my website now.
	And one more time, I would like to say I am honored To have this year been nominated for a Marconi.
	That news just broke yesterday.
	They called and said, hey, you're nominated for a Marconi.
	So I'm honored.
	And whoever had anything to do with that, I don't know.
	They have some sort of panel or people voter how the nomination process is done.
	But I want to thank whoever did that, because I am apparently nominated one of five nominees this year.
	So whether you win or not, it doesn't matter.
	It's just that being nominated is a high honor.
	The Marconi of the National Association of Broadcasters is a big one.
	All right, so now we have a guest coming up.
	He is Alan Mescher, and he has authored a book called The T-Zone, The Path to Inner Power.
	It's a book with a positive vision of hope and triumph in a world grown increasingly dark and dangerous.
	So this should be a very interesting conversation, I think.
	The world, he says, has entered a prolonged dark period.
	It will get worse before it gets better.
	We are now at the end of a 500-year cycle.
	Before the new cycle can take root, the old must fall away.
	I guess that would be us, huh?
	Now is the period when the collective world shadow is being brought out of its hiding place and wreaking havoc upon the planet.
	It is also a time when subtle negative astral energies are busy stirring the pot of fear, hatred, and confusion all around us in order to keep the world unstable and off balance.
	He spent years helping thousands of individuals overcome their negative side or shadow.
	I know what it takes to conquer inner darkness.
	I know, he says, how to overcome the obstacles to wholeness and balance.
	What works for the individual can work for the society we live in.
	The powerful and clear message of his book, The T-Zone, is needed in the world of today.
	We must overcome the negative side of ourselves in order to build a better world.
	It can be done.
	It must be done.
	The words of Alan Mescher.
	And here he is, Alan Mescher.
	Hi, Alan.
	Hi, Art.
	Glad to have you with us.
	What part of the country are you in?
	Santa Monica, California.
	Santa Monica.
	All right.
	What prompted you to write the T-Zone?
	What was the motivation?
	Why?
	Well, I have been working on people for, golly, 25 years or so, and I figured it was time to put down some of what I learned in print so I can get out there and people can understand the transformation process, the way by which we overcome the negative inside ourselves, reintegrate the fragments of our power, become whole, and much more in tune with our own Well, first let me ask you about cycles.
	What do you mean by a 500 year cycle?
	So people would understand that process, would have hope, and knowing that no matter what
	their situation is, there is a way out.
	So that's why I wrote the book.
	So it's not like another I'm okay, you're okay kind of book, is it?
	No, it isn't.
	You say that we've entered a five...
	Well, first let me ask you about cycles.
	What do you mean by a 500 year cycle?
	A cycle of what?
	Well, we've really come out of from the Middle Ages to the modern ages, there's been this
	whole cycle that has really come to an end in the early 1990s.
	There was a period of time, back in 91, I believe it was, when both, there was a full eclipse of the sun and a full eclipse of the moon, both in the sign of Scorpio.
	Scorpio is a sign that has to do with death and resurrection.
	It has to do with the dark side of our nature, the parts of us that we have not looked at and healed.
	And that augured into a whole collective period of human expression.
	And we're going into something different.
	And where it goes, no one actually fully knows.
	But we're going through the trough between the ages.
	And the trough between the ages is always a time when everything that has been held latent inside us has to come out and be dumped and be cleared so that we can move on.
	And that's really what's going on in the world today.
	Amount of discharge of the negative side of our nature.
	And it's a very dangerous time because when so much negative is present, anything can happen.
	It creates instability, uncertainty, confusion, anger, etc.
	So you're really referring to a purely social thing.
	Oh, aren't you?
	In other words, with regard to the site, no?
	It's more than social.
	More than social?
	Oh, yeah.
	I think it's much more than social.
	There is certainly a very social element to it because that's how it will manifest in our lives.
	Well, the way people act.
	In other words, today we have people getting wilder and wilder, children killing children.
	We've got people shooting each other on freeways and road rage and all that stuff.
	That's the social side of The deterioration that I see, and I could add a million things, but what are you talking about beyond that?
	Beyond that, there's an energetic phenomenon that is occurring that is really, to me, the root of all of this.
	Now, think about it.
	Everything is speeding up in life.
	Tremendously.
	Oh, I've thought about it.
	You know, of course you have, and at the same time, everything is falling apart.
	I've noted that.
	I'm sure you have.
	So what is really the root cause of it?
	And I really believe there's an energetic shift going on on the planet.
	There's a higher energy, a brighter light coming down on the planet.
	And as that energy comes on and intensifies on the planet, what is occurring is that everything not only is speeding up, but all the negative is speeding up.
	It's becoming much more present.
	In every human being, as they begin a process of growing, there becomes an internal war that occurs between the light and dark elements of the psyche, between the soul and the ego.
	And as we turn towards the soul, the war becomes much more intense within us, because the ego, of course, does not want to give up its rulership over our lives.
	In the external world, that is also the case.
	The negative gives up.
	It's going to become more powerful and mount a big offense to try to reintegrate and take back its power.
	And that's what we're seeing now because the negative is becoming much more powerful as the light is becoming much more powerful.
	It has to be that way.
	Let me ask you this.
	Right now there's a big ruckus going on over a Time magazine is doing a poll.
	on who is the most influential soul of the century and the nominees are Jesus Hitler Rabin of Israel and Bill Gates and the results so far are Jesus took an early lead but was quickly overcome by Hitler so right now with regard to an ongoing time poll I guess online Hitler Maybe the most influential soul of the century.
	What do you think about that?
	I think that's only an opinion, but it may be an appropriate opinion.
	But isn't that interesting, the two that are posited like that, Christ and Hitler, the lightest and the darkest in our collective experience.
	I thought you would find that...
	A good parallel to our discussion.
	And if you want to go back, I mean, this whole battle between light and dark has always waged on this planet, and it was never more intense in our immediate experience than during World War II.
	It wasn't just a battle for democracy versus totalitarianism, but it was really a battle between light and dark.
	And it was evil forces versus light or positive forces.
	And fortunately, in that instance, the light won.
	But here we go again, because if we want to talk about the dark side of things, there is another influence that comes into being that I have noted a lot in the work that I do.
	And that influence is this astral power of darkness, rather than just what originates in man himself.
	Well, you're suggesting that darkness virtually permeates, saturates every aspect from the lowly human side of social behavior to The levels up above and beyond.
	Well, sure.
	As the light does, there's always this sort of battle that rages until we get to the highest realms where, of course, it's only the light.
	I know, but we're such short-term creatures, Alan.
	You know, we're only here for, what, 70 or 80 years, 90 years, maybe, if you're really lucky or unlucky, depending on how you look at it.
	And you're talking about a 500-year cycle, and that we are descending into a 500-year No, no, I'm not saying that at all.
	We're coming out of a 500 year cycle and we're going into this period, this trough between the next upward wave, but that trough is not going to last 500 years.
	I would imagine it will last somewhere between 20 to 40 years.
	20 to 40.
	So you're saying we're coming out of a dark period, we're in the trough and headed toward the light?
	Well, we're coming out of a fairly stable period where we're in a trough and we're cleansing.
	There's a cleansing discharge going on and we're getting ready to take the next level up.
	But whether we make it to the next level, I mean, it's a great play that's going on in this room.
	It's not decided.
	No one actually knows.
	Hopefully we'll get there.
	I think we'll get there.
	But we're going to go through some very unstable times before we do.
	Well, you say, in your words, it will get worse before it gets better.
	It will get worse before it gets better.
	How much worse?
	Who knows?
	Best guess.
	Pardon me?
	Best guess, Alan.
	Best guess is only an opinion, but I will give you an opinion.
	For instance, we've got what's going on in Kosovo.
	What's next?
	Could something be going on in Pakistan and India, getting ready to blossom and come up?
	That's one you could look at, or Korea?
	Or Korea, or something in the Middle East, or something in Africa, or something in South America.
	You never know where the next one's going to come, but I think what's going to occur is As this cycle of instability continues, there will be more and more of these fires, more and more of these local wars, shall we say, that spread around the world.
	Hopefully they won't blow up into a world where they'll just stay localized, but we're going to see more of this.
	There's going to be more of this.
	There will be more social instability as well.
	I think you'll see, unfortunately, a lot more killings and crazy I have a client, a long-term client, who for most of his life was a very angry person, who blamed his parents for all of his problems and could never quite get over his childhood.
	an example of something a little different, but it's sort of right in the same ballpark
	that we're talking about.
	I have a client, a long-term client, who for most of his life was a very angry person,
	who blamed his parents for all of his problems, could never quite get over his childhood,
	was very upset all the time, and very acting out his angst, always taking it out, never
	taking responsibility for himself and the fact that if anything has to change, he has
	to be the agent of change.
	I know a lot of people like that.
	Okay, so here's the deal.
	So as we act out more and more, what happens is that we are taken farther and farther away
	from who we really are.
	We get caught up in the world, we get caught up in our anger, and we just go down this very fragmented, bitter line where nothing happens inside ourselves that is really healthy or positive.
	And we get farther away from ourselves.
	We become more and more off balance, more and more unstable, just as the world is becoming.
	But this person did some healing work, and he decided that he was going to take responsibility for his life.
	And that is the first Major key, taking responsibility.
	So instead of looking outward and blaming others, he started looking in and seeing what was wrong with him, what was really his problem that he was projecting out onto other people.
	And then as he started to take responsibility, he started to feel what was behind his anger.
	He started to feel his own pain, his own shame, his own grief.
	And as he began to get in touch with that, He began to have all these other kinds of emotions that were not angry, but were more like releasing grief, releasing heartbreak, and he found himself crying at strangest times.
	And it went on for a long period of time.
	But every time that he went through a period where he was crying this out, he found himself getting more clear, getting more centered, feeling more whole, coming back to himself, feeling better and better and better about his life.
	And that's the process that has to occur for people to overcome the dark side of their own experience.
	And if more and more people can do that sort of thing, the world becomes a safer place.
	But if we follow the line of least resistance and just continue to act out what is inside us, then the world becomes a more dangerous place, and we contribute to it.
	So what I'm really saying is that if people can just take responsibility and start looking within and changing the dynamics of their inner life, they can begin to have a very positive effect on the world and help change everything for everyone.
	And if enough of us can do that, we begin to develop a collective energy that can't be stopped, and we can help to stem the tide.
	Of what's going on in the world today, and I think everywhere in the world is the human cry for change, for help, for peace, for progress, for something good to happen.
	Alan, what is the source of the cycles that you're talking about?
	Well, they're basically astrological cycles, and how they have to do with various aspects of various planets.
	I'm not an astrologer, so I can't really get into it in great detail at this point.
	No, no, but you're suggesting the cycles Absolutely, because a cycle creates a certain energy, a certain dynamic gets created, but that doesn't mean it can't be altered by our action.
	We have power.
	better and how do we are you suggesting we can actually modify change
	absolutely absolutely because the cycle creates a certain energy a
	certain dynamic gets created
	but that doesn't mean it can't be altered by our action we have power we
	are not hopeless in this stuff we have power to change anything that happens if we
	Yeah, but you're talking about planetary positions and their influence on human beings and what goes on in the world generally, right?
	Yes, the planetary positions, all they do is create a certain tendency.
	The tendency can be changed, it can be altered, it may even be able to be overcome.
	But even if we're in a negative cycle, If we begin to act in a very positive way, then we shorten the length of the negative cycle and we lessen the degree of its power over us.
	Can you give me any example of when that has been done, ever?
	You know, that's a hell of a good question.
	Well, that's why I asked it.
	Let's just go back to World War II.
	And let's say if we didn't take action against Hitler, If we didn't take positive and effective action against Hitler, if we threw over and gave up and let him take over the world, the world would have become a very, very different place.
	Oh, indeed.
	Okay, so we took collective, effective action that was positive and necessary, and things changed.
	All right, Alan, hold on.
	Alan Mescher is my guest.
	Now, we entered World War II and defeated Hitler with the Russians' help.
	That's true.
	That's an example of Changing it?
	Otherwise, I mean, what if Hitler, for example, had prevailed?
	What would the world be like today?
	But that positive action got a whole lot of people killed, didn't it?
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	Top of the morning to you, great to be here.
	Alan Mescher is here as my guest and he'll be right back.
	A Coast to Coast AM factoid from Ron in Memphis, Art.
	Says Ron.
	On the news tonight, they reported the demand for fallout shelters has not been this great since the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1961.
	An order now will begin in six months.
	And these are not cheap shelters.
	They hold 10 people, enough food for 60 days.
	Will withstand nuclear plus biological attacks.
	Cost?
	$45,000 and The demand has not been higher since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
	Isn't that an interesting factoid?
	Once again, Alan Mescher.
	Alan, you heard my little factoid, I think, from Ron in Memphis, that there has never been a bigger demand for fallout shelters since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
	And this is supposed to be peace in our time.
	Berlin Wall down.
	Communism down.
	People are buying shelters.
	How come?
	Fear.
	Instability breeds fear.
	People do all sorts of wild things.
	It's very simple.
	Fear.
	That's a strong motivator, isn't it?
	Fear is the strongest motivator.
	No doubt about it.
	But you know, Art, what's also interesting, your last comment before we went to break, we were talking about World War II, and you mentioned it sure killed a lot of people.
	It sure did.
	It sure did.
	It took out, you know, God knows how many millions, but millions and millions and millions.
	Here's an interesting point, that even though millions and millions died, many of those people came back.
	They reincarnated.
	And they're here now.
	You believe in reincarnation?
	Well, I tell you, I have no other way of ascribing what happens on my table when people come in to see me than by that word, reincarnation.
	May I give you a couple of examples?
	You're welcome to.
	A woman came in to see me with a beginning of cervical cancer some years ago when I was in Texas.
	Right.
	And she said, you know, I know you can heal me.
	And I said, well, you know, I can't promise you anything.
	We'll do the best we can.
	She got on the table, and I started letting my healing energy go into her, and it got very fiery, very red, very hot, very fast.
	She was burning up.
	But as she was burning up, her face got ashen gray and bluish, and she started chattering.
	Her jaws were chattering, her eyes were closed, her head was rolling from side to side, and she kept screaming, I can't see!
	I can't see!
	I can't see!
	And I said to her, you take a deep breath, And you let your mind come down to the base of your spine where we're working and ask your mind to show you what is ever contained here.
	What are you holding onto here?
	What's going on?
	Now what happens, this is a little aside here, I'm going to break from the story briefly, but what happens in terms of traumatic experiences that we have experienced and undergone and have not yet dealt with, they're not just stored as memories up in the mind.
	They're really located and deposited all over the body.
	They're energy formations that we haven't dealt with, that we've pushed down and aside.
	And sometimes some of these energy locations in the body really are the result of other lives and other experiences.
	So this woman is lying on the table and all of a sudden she starts screaming in German.
	Now, she was born in the Midwest.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	She doesn't know German from a hole in the wall.
	She doesn't know the language.
	But she's screaming in German.
	And it's Helmut this, and it's Helmut that.
	And this goes on.
	The screaming in German goes on for a good half hour.
	Wow.
	And then all of a sudden it's over.
	And she gets very calm.
	And what's coming out of me in terms of the energy now changes.
	It's no longer a bright red fire.
	It's this beautiful golden energy.
	And all of a sudden, this woman tells me later that she's not in her body.
	She's floating above her body in the golden light, feeling more peaceful and more complete than she has ever felt at any time that she has ever been aware of.
	Okay, but let's talk for a second about reincarnation.
	Let me get back to that because this is the point.
	This is the point.
	She comes back into her body and we have a conversation.
	I said, what was that you experienced?
	And she said, I was back in Germany.
	It was my last lifetime.
	I was married to a German general.
	And I used my position as a general's wife to take Jews and get them out of the country.
	And when the war was over and he came home and he told me how much he hated killing all the people, I told him about what I had done because I felt guilty about it.
	And then, what he did is he attacked me.
	And he raped me and he ripped up my eyes and he left me to die.
	And in the beginning, that's what she was saying, you see.
	When she couldn't open her eyes and she was screaming, I can't see.
	She was reliving that whole trauma.
	I understand.
	And that's what caused the cancer.
	And it came from another lifetime in Nazi Germany.
	So there, to me, is a clear... How else do you explain that?
	Alright, well, I don't know if I want to try to explain it a different way, Alan.
	What I would like to do, though, is talk a little bit about the nature of reincarnation.
	Everybody I've ever talked to with regard to reincarnation suggests that from lifetime to lifetime, we grow.
	And we must work off the karma, the bad karma, from whatever occurred in our previous lifetime, right?
	Right.
	Well, the story you just told me is not one of bad karma.
	Really, the woman had done the righteous, proper thing.
	And so, why would she be tortured for that?
	Under any rules of the cosmos that you and I can sit here and chew on?
	Oh, I like that question.
	That's an excellent question.
	Okay, good.
	Answer it.
	Here it is.
	What happens is, whatever we undergo, whatever we experience in a lifetime, good or bad, whether we've done good or whether we've done bad, and if there's trauma connected to it, and we don't have the opportunity in that lifetime to just discharge the trauma and get it out of our body and out of our soul, That energy, when we pass on, when we leave the physical body, it becomes part of the matrix of the soul.
	And when we come back and incarnate, that energy comes back and incarnates with us.
	And we are faced with having to clear it again.
	So that's why that occurs.
	It has nothing to do with, why should she suffer?
	Because she did good.
	That's not the question that the reincarnation drama is about.
	Here's some energy that you didn't clear last time.
	You're going to have to face it and deal with it and clear it this time because it's holding you back.
	Anytime that the negative is held inside our system and we're not able to heal it and reintegrate that energy and power into ourselves, we're going to have to be faced with the dilemma and problem of doing it again.
	That's what we do.
	The problem that I have with that, Alan, is that it doesn't I mean, there's always forward motion with reincarnation.
	In other words, unless somebody ran into Alan Mesher or the likes of thereof, and managed to work off this thing that otherwise is not conscious at all, then you're regressing, you're not progressing, you're regressing, right?
	Yes, that can certainly be the case.
	Never think for a minute that reincarnation means that you are absolutely guaranteed a progress from one life to another.
	You are not.
	There's a new spin.
	You are not guaranteed progress.
	Why should you be guaranteed that?
	I mean, it doesn't make sense to me.
	You earn progress.
	In one lifetime, you can make a tremendous amount of progress.
	But my point to you was, she, it seems to me, had earned progress.
	Yes, she had trauma, but her actions should have earned her some sort of cosmic progress.
	On some level, it may have.
	But on the level where she had to work through that situation, it had to be completed.
	Let's say, let's look at the situation and let's say, taking this case, that let's consider it like a matrix or a circle.
	Part of it was she earned some really good points because she did something selfless and noble and true and good.
	That's important.
	Right.
	But the other side of the coin was trauma.
	Trauma.
	So in order to really be able to realize what you've achieved from doing what you did that was good, you've also got to face that negative and you've got to release the trauma and convert that energy into positive within yourself.
	And then you get to reap the fruit of your labor.
	If our Creator intended for us to understand and participate in the process of reincarnation so we could grow, then why is it not A readily apparent thing to all of us on the planet, that is to say, how we are being affected in this life by our past life or past lives.
	If it was intended to be sort of an ongoing evolution of the human spirit, would we not have consciousness of the last life?
	Not necessarily.
	Not necessarily.
	That's buried in the subconscious and only comes to light When people become ready to deal with it, it's not going to come up to be ready to be dealt with until you're really ready to deal with something.
	Let me give you another example that's fairly similar to the one I just gave you.
	In a workshop some time ago in Illinois, this fellow came in that had had testicular cancer.
	Unfortunately, a few years before this workshop, he had had a testicle removed and part of the lymph nodes in his groin.
	He got on this table.
	And we started putting that healing energy into him.
	And what's interesting is when that power comes into you, what is buried in your unconscious that has been latent and you have not been able to be aware of, it comes up.
	You become aware of it.
	So he's laying on the table, the energy goes into him, and all of a sudden he has shifted a level.
	And now he's reliving an experience from the Middle Ages during the time of the Inquisition.
	And he's a priest, and he's being tortured, and he's being racked.
	And finally, they castrate him, and he dies in a pool of his own blood, swearing eternal revenge on the people that perpetrated this event on him.
	Now, wait a minute.
	I thought people like that were supposed to turn the other cheek.
	Well, sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't.
	People are human.
	So he had this experience, you know?
	And now, what's happened?
	500 years later, he has the cancer in exactly the same place.
	And now he makes the connection between what happened then And what happened that caused his cancer now?
	He had gone out with tremendous rage and anger.
	And that rage and anger was still sitting in his body 500 years later causing this problem to occur.
	He hadn't been ready to face it until now.
	It came up.
	Now he could address it and release it.
	He had the cancer.
	He had suffered the physical loss.
	But at least he faced the issue and got rid of the energy and processed it out of his system.
	He was so excited about what happened, he called his wife and said, you've got to get here, come to this workshop.
	This woman was a beautiful lady, but she was 30 or 40 pounds overweight.
	She got on the table in the afternoon, the energy went into her, and all of a sudden she finds herself back in a little village in the Andes.
	She's an Indian, and there's not enough food.
	And she's starving as a child, and she dies of starvation very young in that life.
	And in this lifetime, she always feels hungry, and she always has to eat.
	So she saw that, she released the emotion that attached to it, and all of a sudden her eating became normal, and within two months she had dropped that 30 pounds.
	So there's another indication of how the trauma from one lifetime can affect us now, and if we can go back and release the trauma, then we are released in this lifetime to move forward.
	It's very, very critical.
	That's one of the ways in which reincarnation does work.
	You see, the traumas that we carry in the body are like an anchor.
	That holds us to the past.
	And until we can pull up that anger, we are not really free to move forward on the sea of life.
	We're held back.
	Okay, try this one out for size.
	If what you're saying is accurate, then the present, what we call Generation X, is what?
	They are the product of those who fought in either the First or, more likely, Second World War.
	Wouldn't that be true?
	Sure.
	If they are the reincarnated souls of those millions who died traumatically, then that might well explain why we're going through the social hell we seem to be having on the planet right now.
	Yes?
	No?
	It could.
	You know, that's certainly one way to explain it.
	That's one possibility.
	But also I would say, you know, that a lot of people that died in World War II came back right away.
	In my generation, in the yuppie generation, they came back right away.
	They incarnated in the late 40s, early 50s, and 60s.
	We must be about the same age.
	I was born in 45, June of 45.
	I was born in 48.
	So we're close.
	That's right.
	Now let me tell you, I had a client in Delaware who was in our generation, and he came in and I looked at him, we chatted for a minute, and I said to him, you know, You have a lot of power, but you're really afraid of your power, aren't you?
	And he said, yes, I am.
	He said, you feel like you didn't belong in your family, like you're something very different, and you have no real connection to the people that are your blood family in this lifetime.
	And he said, that's true.
	Got him on the table, put in the energy, and he slipped a level.
	And he found himself back again, World War II.
	He found himself as an officer, an SS officer, in a Nazi concentration camp.
	He was responsible for killing lots of people.
	And what he also experienced, as we cleaned and went into this lifetime, that he was hung as a war criminal for his actions.
	That's pretty traumatic.
	Pretty traumatic.
	Now, in this lifetime, he has a huge job with one of the major industrial corporations in America.
	He runs a whole division for them.
	He has thousands of people answering to him.
	And yet he feels very insecure in his own power.
	So he went through all that experience.
	He released tremendous guilt and tremendous shame and tremendous pain on that table.
	But now he's ready to move forward, you see.
	So, in a sense, what you can also surmise from that is there must be a great and universal power of forgiveness that will forgive people For what they have done when they're ready to seek forgiveness and have forgiveness in their lives.
	Because this is basically a good man in his lifetime.
	Not the last one.
	But this time, I think he has learned something from what he did and he's a much better human being.
	This healing that you do, Alan, where does the power come from?
	From above.
	From above.
	I couldn't do... That's a good general answer.
	Are you saying it comes from God?
	It has to.
	Because I couldn't do what I do without that power.
	Yes, it does.
	It comes from a very high place.
	How do you know you couldn't?
	In other words, I said, how do you know you couldn't?
	There are others who heal on the other side of the world who never heard of Jesus, or if they did, only in passing, and yet they claim miraculous healings of the sorts that you're talking about now.
	Sure.
	But they wouldn't say God.
	Sure.
	All that matters, they can call it whatever you want, I'm not comfortable with saying God, I would say the oneness, that to me is the term I'm more comfortable with, just the higher level of unity.
	But people who have great purity, who have an open heart, who have tremendous compassion, and have the opening for their power to flow through them, have access to that gift.
	So it's not limited to one person, it's not limited to ten people, It's open to anyone who has the qualifications, and that is openness, compassion, unconditional love, and a sufficient evolution to allow that gift to flow through them, because it is a gift.
	I've spent 25 years honing that gift, and I can assure you that what I can do now is far, far different from what I could do 25 years ago.
	How did you discover the gift?
	Well, it sort of discovered me, actually.
	When I got out of college, I moved to a little town in New Hampshire, thinking I would stay there for a year and make up my mind if I was going to go on to law school or get a Ph.D.
	and become a professor and pursue a rather conventional life, because that's all I saw at that time in my life, you know.
	And while I was in this area I kept hearing these reports and stories about this woman
	named Eleanor Moore and this unbelievable gift she had and how she had changed the lives
	of so many people in that area and had this enormous intuitive or psychic gift that could
	read people up and down very accurately and very minutely and very detailed.
	And I was dying to meet her.
	It took a long time for me to get to her but finally one night a friend of mine said, I'm
	going over there to see Eleanor.
	Do you want to come?
	I said, let's go.
	We got in the car and we went over there.
	I ran to the front door and this smallish woman with these big brown cold bright eyes
	She was very, very warm.
	She took my hand in hers and said, please come in.
	We went in.
	There were a lot of people in her living room.
	And she said to my friend, place the music for these people.
	I'm taking this young man into my study for a few minutes.
	All right.
	That's a good place.
	Hold the story right there.
	We're at the top of the hour.
	It's a great place to break off.
	How Alan Mesher got the power That he says he has.
	More of that in a moment.
	It's been a too long time With no peace of mind And I'm ready for the times To get better Oh, me too.
	But it sounds like they may get a little worse before they get better.
	I'm Art Bell, Alan Mescher is my guest.
	You're listening to Coast to Coast AM.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 8th, 1999.
	Cracking my brain, hoping to find a way out.
	I've had enough of this continual rain.
	Changes are coming, no doubt.
	It's been a too long time with no peace of mind.
	I'm ready for the times to get bad.
	Bye.
	You look like an angel.
	Walk like an angel.
	Talk like an angel.
	But I got one.
	You're the devil in disguise.
	Talk like an angel, but I got miles.
	You're the devil in disguise, oh yes you are, devil in disguise.
	You fool me with your kisses.
	You cheated and you schemed.
	Heaven knows how you lied to me.
	You're not the way you seem.
	You look like an angel.
	Walk like an angel.
	Walk like an angel, talk like an angel, but I've got wise You're the devil in disguise, oh yes you are the devil in
	disguise Mmmmm
	I thought that I was in heaven, but I was sure surprised Heaven help me, I didn't see the devil in your eyes
	You look like an angel You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 8th, 1999.
	morning everybody we'll get back to our own measure
	He's a healer.
	Has the power.
	In a moment.
	Stay right where you are.
	Now we take you back to the night of June 8th, 1999, on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
	Thanks for watching!
	Alan Mesher's book is The T-Zone.
	Alan, what is your book?
	Is it virtually an instruction manual?
	On how this is done, or how you've done it, or what is the T-Zone?
	The T in T-Zone stands for transformation.
	It's really the necessary steps one has to take to transform their lives.
	In the book we talk about the horizontal and the vertical scale of life.
	The T-Zone relates to the vertical scale, which is the scale of fulfillment, while the horizontal scale is the scale of material success.
	We need both to have a good life.
	And transformation occurs when we walk through the fire so that we can rise in the light.
	So transformation is about walking through the fire.
	What does it take to go and turn the internal negatives into positives?
	What does it take to be able to harness the power to move forward?
	What does it take to free you from the past?
	This book is about answering all those questions.
	And what does it take to accelerate your evolution?
	What does it take to be whole?
	What does it take to be loving?
	That's what the transformation is.
	That's a lot to tackle in a book.
	A lot to tackle.
	Is it available generally nationwide?
	Amazon.com?
	It's available on Amazon.com.
	It's available on my website, which is the T-Zone.com.
	And it's available at Barnes & Noble stores.
	If they don't carry it, they can special order it for you.
	It can be virtually ordered through any bookstore.
	Excellent.
	All right, y'all.
	We've got a link to the T-Zone website on my website, so people just go where they usually go and hop right over.
	Look for your name and hop right over, or go to Amazon.com and Or if they want to order it directly from me and get a signed copy, they can do that.
	Oh, really?
	Really?
	You'll offer signed copies?
	Yes, at no extra charge.
	Do you really?
	All right.
	Yes.
	And may I give that number?
	Oh, you may at your own risk, yes.
	Okay.
	If people want to reach me about ordering the T-Zone or finding out about doing private sessions, I do have a few available.
	And, you know, if I get inundated, just, people, just please be calm and I will get to you.
	First come, first served.
	But you can reach me at 310-228-7000.
	310-228-3100.
	That's 310-228-3100.
	We're also doing a teacher healer's training program in San Francisco.
	It'll be every third week of the month for six months, and it's about teaching people how to do what I do so we can get more healers out there in the world, and you can find out about more information if you call that number as well.
	310-228-3100.
	Yes.
	Autograph copies.
	to a thirty one hundred autograph copies
	alright uh... there's one more thing that i was actually two things
	i want to bring up for the best reforms one
	One is, I perpetually, for whatever reason, forget the name of this movie.
	Man, I don't know why, because it's one of my favorite movies of all time.
	It was with Ellen Burstyn.
	I wonder if you remember it.
	Was that the one about the healer?
	She's a healer.
	You remember out in the desert?
	Resurrection.
	Ah, thank you.
	You're welcome.
	You owe me dinner for that one, alright?
	I was hoping you'd seen that.
	I have seen it.
	Obviously you've seen it.
	Yes.
	Your reaction?
	Great.
	Good stuff.
	Good stuff, huh?
	Yeah.
	Well, Ellen was in the Bible Belt, as you recall.
	Right.
	And she discovered this incredible talent for healing.
	Right.
	And by the way, I believe in this.
	I don't know that I understand what it is, Ellen, but I do believe that it's real.
	She had this talent.
	She began to use it.
	They came at her, demanding that she say, this power is from the God of the Bible, and if it isn't, then, you know, you're the devil, or you're the devil's rep, or whatever.
	And she nearly got killed, shot, run over, whatever.
	They hated her, but demanded her service at the same time, when needed.
	Of course, you're in Southern California, so you probably don't face any of that.
	I've faced it.
	Have you?
	Sure.
	Sure.
	And then, when they come to you and they say, Alan, we, in essence, we demand you say this is the God of the Bible giving you this power, you say what?
	Let me just give you the example that happened.
	I was called to work on this fella in a hospital.
	He was a military man.
	It was in Texas.
	He was dying.
	I was the last gas pope.
	I arrived at the hospital.
	His son-in-law was there, who was a born-again Christian.
	His Bible belt sort of fell.
	A nice guy, but a different sort of belief system than mine.
	He confronted me and said, Do you take Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal Savior?
	I said, I dearly love Jesus Christ, but I don't believe in the same way you do.
	He said, Well, you can't go in there.
	I said, Well, do you want your father-in-law to live, or do you want to let him die?
	He said, I want to let him live.
	And I said, you have to let me in.
	He said, not until you say that Jesus Christ is your personal Lord and Savior.
	And I just looked at him and just stared him down and said, I'm going in.
	You do what you have to do.
	And he backed down and I went in and did what I had to do.
	We were able to keep the gentleman in question alive for a while longer and he was recuperating, but then he did have relapse a couple of months later.
	But the point is, sometimes you just have to stand up, move forward and go on.
	And that's what I did.
	I wasn't about to be stopped.
	And somebody, William asks from Portland, if the energy you work with is the same as chi energy?
	Well, chi is like the Chinese term for universal energy, so in a sense it is, but it's different gradations.
	I've done this work for 25 years and I can call on a whole wide spectrum of energy will come through me.
	And what comes to me is what that person I'm working on needs.
	And if I'm working on someone else 10 minutes different, 10 minutes later, that energy is going to be a bit different because it's going to match what that person needs.
	And because I've worked on so many different kinds of problems and so many different kinds of people, I have at my disposal a very, very wide range of the energy.
	It's not just one thing.
	It's many, many, many things.
	But yet that many, many, many things comes from one source, just like a rainbow.
	It's refracted light.
	It's all white light, but it's refracted and becomes a rainbow.
	Same thing.
	Well, there are actually all those components in that light.
	It is simply refracted, and then they are apparent.
	Exactly.
	Alan, one last question, and then I'll go right back to the phones, and that is this.
	If one mind, like yours, is capable of external influence, which is what we've been discussing tonight with regard to healing, then Would it be true or not that hundreds or thousands or even millions of minds would be capable of all greater things?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Absolutely, without doubt.
	If millions of people were praying for the same thing at the same moment, a tremendous thing would take place in the world.
	So that's why I'm saying we are in a dark period, Art.
	There's no doubt about it.
	But we are not bound by that dark period.
	We are not at its mercy.
	We have power to use this dark period to change the world and prepare it to become a much more positive place.
	And the one thing I do want to say about that is I have never seen a time as rich as this one is for people to heal their individual lives.
	I find that when I go to work on people now, they're buried material.
	It's so much more readily available.
	It's mobilized.
	It's ready to move.
	Where 10, 15 years ago, that wasn't the case.
	Whatever is going on in this planet now, with the shift in energy that we are in the middle of, that energy is also beginning to push people's dark side up to the surface so they can face it and heal it.
	I don't want people to heal it.
	I don't want them to act reactively, defensively, and act it out and do crazy things to themselves, to others, and hurt this world more.
	I want people to become responsible, feel it, confront it, and get it out of their system so that they can go forward, not backwards.
	So the world can go forward, not backwards.
	Maybe it can happen.
	Well, maybe it can, Alan, but I'll tell you something.
	I'm going to be the half-empty glass of water here for a second.
	Then I'll have to fill you up.
	That's fine.
	You fill as you will.
	But I have said this for some time.
	I feel a great change.
	Close on the horizon.
	I feel that we are accelerating at an ever-increasing pace toward this change, and I think, Alan, that it's not going to be the end of the world.
	I'm not saying that at all, and people, you know, pick up and think that's what I'm saying.
	I'm not.
	All I'm saying is, and this is my old favorite analogy, you know, the old John Wayne movie that nobody can get their hands on, By the way, I happen to have a copy of, called The High and Mighty.
	You get halfway, in the old days, of piston engine aircraft.
	You get halfway across the Pacific Ocean toward Japan, and a little red light comes on and says, point of no return.
	Now, all that means is, you've now used up over half of your gasoline, your fuel.
	And you have two choices.
	You will either go to Japan, or you'll go into the water, But you ain't going back to San Francisco.
	Because that's just a physical fact.
	And I think that humanity's little red light came on some time ago, Alan.
	Well, I like your analogy, and I have to say that I thoroughly agree with you.
	Thoroughly.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	First time caller on the air with Alan Mescher.
	I just feel that if we direct our energy right, we have the power to land rather than fall in the water.
	Maybe a controlled landing in the water.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air, hi.
	Hello.
	Yes.
	My name's Eugene, calling from San Diego.
	Yes, Eugene.
	First, before I ask my question, I just wanted to congratulate Alan Messer
	on a wonderful job he's doing on a very difficult subject.
	Thank you.
	And it's of extreme interest to me.
	Earlier in the program, when you were addressing placebos,
	at one point, Alan began to explain how he basically linked in with the person
	that he was healing at the time, and that he was beginning to describe an active process
	that he enjoined with the individual.
	Art, at that point, you took the questioning back to the dog with the Very good question, Eugene.
	I was very curious as to hearing Alan's response to the remainder of what he was talking about
	that he uses to solicit an active participation with the subject patient, individual involved.
	Very good question, Eugene.
	Very good question.
	As I mentioned earlier, when I work with somebody either long distance or in person, either
	on the phone or on my table in my office, I always start one hand under the base of
	the spine, the other under the base of the skull.
	That allows me to put energy into the nervous system, into your nervous system, shall we say, and get you very relaxed and very balanced and release all your stress.
	The next step is that process is going on and I'm putting the energy into you and you're getting relaxed.
	I'm also scanning you.
	I'm seeing where in your body your blocks are and I'm also looking to see why they're there, what has caused them to be there, what events have caused this stuff to be there.
	And then let's say that I found a place down at the base of your spine and in that space there's a lot of old anger, residual anger that's been sitting there all your lifetime because your father was very strong and strident and maybe hit you a lot and didn't give you any emotional support and you have a lot of rage bottled up inside you.
	That you've never ever been able to release, because if you had done so when you were a child, that father would have come down your throat, attacked you, and your life may have been threatened, or you would have felt that way as a child.
	So now it's coming up, and we've got to deal with it.
	So what happens is I'll put one hand right where I see that energy, under your spine.
	I'll take my other hand and put it over on your abdomen, above it, and I'll start pouring the energy in there.
	And then I'm going to say to you, Eugene, imagine there's an elevator up in your head.
	And imagine a door opens and you enter it.
	Tell me how it feels in this part of your body.
	Does it feel light and free?
	That elevator begins to move down from your head, down through your neck, along your spinal
	column, down into your chest, moving down along your spinal column, down and down and
	down.
	We take you down right to that place at the bottom of the spine where all that blocked
	energy is.
	The elevator door opens and you come out and I say to you, Eugene, tell me how it feels
	in this part of your body.
	Does it feel light and free?
	Does it feel balanced and clear?
	Or does it feel heavy, congested, dark, scary, angry, tight, numb?
	How does it feel to you?
	And you'll say to me something, well, it feels a little congested and dark and scary.
	And I said, good.
	Now you just begin to make a sound as if it's coming right out of that place.
	And I'll get you making just some silly sound like, ah, ooh, or whatever, because that's priming the pump.
	And after you've said that a few times, if I've done my job right, and you're in tune with what's going on in your body and in your soul, That energy is going to start moving up and the shells that it is encased in begin to break off and the pure energy begins to move and the emotion that that energy is begins to move up and all of a sudden all this anger will come out of you and you might find yourself screaming and your legs kicking and your hands punching and getting very red and just going through a lot of anger for a few minutes and then all of a sudden that might shift and after the anger has the wave of the anger has dissipated there may be a few waves that will come up
	And in between the waves of anger, there might be another wave of grief coming out of your heart, because there's a lot of heartbreak, because you feel also that your dad didn't love you, that he abandoned you emotionally, and all of that's going to come up, and that's what I'm looking for.
	I want to get rid of the anger so that we can go to the other side of it, which is the heartbreak and the grief and the sorrow, because if we can move that out, if those tears can come out of you, then we can completely release and discharge that energy.
	That's where we want to get to.
	We want to get to the place where you feel vulnerable and frightened and alone and scared and let all that out and let all that heartbreak come out of you because I want to tell all of you listening, this is the planet of the broken heart and virtually everyone I've ever worked on at one level or another has heartbreak inside them and we're all here to heal that heartbreak so that we can have a whole heart and be a whole person and know who we are because identity Self-knowledge depends on having a whole heart.
	And if we can make everyone having a whole heart and be balanced emotionally, it's going to be a safer, kinder, gentler, and much more peaceful world.
	All right.
	Is that complete enough for you, sir?
	That was a wonderful explanation.
	I enjoyed it very much.
	That's what happens.
	All right.
	All right.
	Thank you very much.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Alan Mesher and Art Bell.
	Good morning.
	Yes, good morning.
	Can you hear me?
	I can indeed.
	All right.
	I'm a first-time caller, and actually, I live just about a mile away.
	You prompted me to come here.
	I'm from Southern California, and I love this valley.
	I had you come to prompt.
	You came because of me?
	Well, you're one of the contributing factors, I must say.
	Always enamored with your show and a long-time listener.
	Thank you.
	I do believe, Alan, can affect these changes.
	I have a peculiar malady, and I've gone to my psychic healers from Southern California that I've studied with for a long time, and they just can't heal me.
	I've experienced healing before.
	I'll have to tell you just briefly what happened.
	In a nervous state, I pricked the soft palate in my mouth with my toothbrush bristle and I only discovered that this happened after a long search and visiting six doctors.
	I've had CAT scans.
	I don't have cancer or anything.
	I've had this now for almost a year.
	I simply can't heal it and I punctured the mucous duct and I'm getting all this discharge right through the roof of my mouth.
	Actually, I called to get... You're the first toothbrush-wounded person I've ever spoken with.
	Listen, I've got a break coming up at the bottom of the hour.
	Can you hold on?
	Certainly.
	All right.
	In all my years of listening, this is the first serious wound by toothbrush that I've ever heard about.
	And they tell you to brush every day.
	What is it?
	At least twice?
	Something like that?
	We're going to break here.
	Alan Mesher is my guest, and this, of course, is Coast to Coast AM.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 8th, 1999.
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	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 8th, 1999.
	Alan Mescher is here.
	Alan is a healer.
	And yes, I absolutely believe healing works.
	In my case though, I just don't know why.
	But do I question that it works?
	Not for a moment.
	We'll get right back to him.
	You're gonna stay right where you are.
	Now we take you back to the night of June 8th, 1999, on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
	How did you get here?
	Alan Mescher once again.
	Alan, we've got a caller on the line, and so let us continue.
	Caller, please.
	Hello.
	We're here.
	Yes.
	I just wanted to go further with this little problem I had.
	What it did is it produced like a sack that collected the fluid.
	So I went to the fourth doctor, a Las Vegas doctor, and he tried to take a biopsy, which he did.
	Uh, with his laser.
	In doing so, the laser got out of control, and he couldn't shut it off, and he made nine additional holes right through the roof of my mouth.
	Oh, man!
	I'm telling you, there was something.
	A few of them are healing.
	I have some professional instruments that I observe, the mirrors and the searchlights, I have, and I observe them myself.
	I was told by one of the psychic healers that it might take a year for this little thing to heal, but I kind of have a lot of confidence in Alan, so that's why I wanted to get in touch with him.
	I have to say another thing.
	I've studied scene metaphysics in California, and I've studied with the White Brotherhood in Pasadena.
	Monthly for over 25 years.
	I have something of a personal nature that I'd like to Talk to you about but not on the line You're going to have to communicate with me in some other way then sir, but with respect to First of all, that's the first toothbrush Injury I've ever heard of frankly, but then the other holes I mean is that is that the kind of thing that you would work on Ellen?
	Yeah, I mean I think it's treatable.
	I think it's definitely treatable.
	I had a lady that came, I'm just going to give you another story because it pertains to a similar sort of problem.
	A lady came to me many years ago from Seattle and she was having nose bleeds.
	Every night she would wake up in the morning and her mouth would be filled with blood.
	It was going on for a long time and she tried all sorts of different approaches to fixing it and nothing worked.
	She came down to Austin, Texas, where I was living at the time.
	I was doing a group that night, and instead of touching anyone, I was just putting the energy out to the whole group.
	And what happened to this woman was that energy went inside her, and all of a sudden, all you could smell in that room, Art, was burning flesh.
	It was like something was coming out of her.
	It was burning flesh, and she found herself back again in World War II, being incinerated in the concentration camp.
	She went through this past life thing.
	And what was interesting after that is that from that night on, The whole problem stopped.
	The bleeding stopped.
	So you never know how this healing may affect this gentleman, but I think it's sort of similar in the sense that something's going on that can't be stopped, all this draining.
	But if we put the energy in there, it might help heal it, it might help change it, and some other experiences might come up that are buried behind.
	Well, here we come again to the whole only problem that I have with this reincarnation business.
	You know the effect on our current lives from past lives and that is that unless you meet up with an Alan Mesher or somebody like him which for the bulk of the population is very unlikely very unlikely then you are the victim most times of trauma in a former life and if God our maker had intended for us to continue to evolve and to improve as human beings there would have been some natural mechanism by which we could deal with these former traumas and progress as a natural course of things but instead we have to go to an Alan Mesher or somebody like him.
	Well, but thank God at least there's someone like me and other people that can do it.
	Thank God that there are people that know about this and that can help other people do it.
	But why is it an unusual thing and not a usual thing?
	Because the way our culture is set up, this is an unusual facet.
	It's sort of in the backwater.
	Our culture is about money, it's about success, it's about the material world.
	It's not about emotions, it's not about spirit, and it's not about healing.
	Well then, well said, but you're virtually saying we're going down all the wrong paths.
	We have been, but you know, one of the nice things about the big change that you're speaking about coming is that all of these things are now coming to the forefront, and it's time.
	They're desperately needed.
	And that's another reason why I'm going to start training as many people as I can who are willing to do this training.
	Okay, but see, again, the half-full glass from me, while the half-empty, rather, from me, while the half-full from you, this change, yes, indeed, coming.
	And yes, it'll be very different after the change.
	Even I can feel that and somehow know it.
	But let me tell you, Alan, there's going to be a lot of people that aren't going to make it from here to there. That's probably
	true.
	And sometimes when I talk to people like yourselves they tend to sort of
	gloss over that fact. No, I agree with that but you know all we can do is what we can do to the best of our ability
	and let the rest of it take care of itself. All I can do is what I can do.
	You're right.
	Of course you're right.
	All I can do is what I can do, and I will do what I can do.
	That's my rule.
	I'm going to play my part in this.
	All right.
	And I hope everyone else does.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, your part comes now.
	You're on the air.
	Yeah, this is Gary from down in Hopetown, Florida.
	Hi, Gary.
	How are you doing tonight?
	Fine.
	Yeah, you know, I've been doing it on my own since I was a kid.
	I had to learn how to do self-meditation.
	I didn't know that's what it was to get rid of migraines as a child.
	But what you were just talking about is, unfortunately, in Western culture and religions, meditation is just now in some little corners starting to be used and being able to sit still and look into yourself.
	There, I think, are a lot of people who do begin to learn how to heal themselves, whether it's through that way or just through whatever system, the path they follow.
	To find success and peace of mind for the most part.
	So I don't know that it's all people who need it, but quite a few do.
	I know that when I was doing healing myself, which now this is kind of inspiring to get back to it again, in the group I was working with down here, there was a tremendous reluctance To trust anybody who charged money for doing it because they considered it a gift, which I would consider, to my mind, you have a gift, but you're able to be paid for it as anybody else who has a gift or a calling or who is driven to do something.
	And yet, for some reason, in some areas there seems to be a great reluctance.
	To want to trust anybody who charges for doing healing and meditation work.
	I thought I'd like to get Alan's take on that for a minute, and then how he's overcome some of that, because I know that's pretty strong.
	Well, it hasn't been strong.
	This has been my calling.
	It's been the path less traveled, so to speak, that I've been going down for 25 years, rather than going a conventional route.
	To put bread on the table and take care of my child and live a life you have to charge.
	I don't charge the gift.
	I charge my time.
	I charge what I feel my time is worth and then what my knowledge is worth because 25 years of experience in this kind of field you gain a tremendous amount of knowledge that very few people have.
	Thirdly, it can be very draining at times.
	It can take a lot out of you so all of these things factor in.
	And you come up with a price or a rate that you feel is appropriate, that you feel you're worth, because you deliver certain kinds of results fairly consistently.
	So I have no problem with that.
	And if other people have a problem with that, then I would say to them, go find somebody else.
	I'm not your guy.
	At one time, I helped a lady who had never been able to meditate, and we were in a large And after this group was over she said, I was just a member of the group and we talked and she said, I've never been able to meditate.
	I don't understand what this is.
	All I see is black.
	When everybody closes their eyes she says, I don't see anything.
	I don't go anywhere.
	Everybody is talking about their stuff and I worked with her for a while.
	We did about a half hour, 45 minute session and I guided her through and I was telling her what I was seeing and see if she was seeing it.
	She didn't say a word at the end of it.
	She got up.
	When I brought her back out of it, she got up.
	She just looked at me, almost scared, walked out of the room.
	Never have seen her again or talked to her.
	I heard she moved to another state, got married, very happy, started her own business and became successful.
	So you get all kinds of responses.
	Well, of course you do.
	Of course you do.
	You're not really sure what to think of at the time.
	That's part of it.
	You have to be detached and let it go.
	People have to be able to come to their own conclusions at their own time.
	Don't be attached to the results.
	That's one of the harder lessons.
	When I was first starting out, this was a long, long time ago, my girlfriend and I went to England and we stayed with some people.
	The people had a little girl who was supposed to go on a big class trip.
	She had been saving money all year to go on this class trip and she got really sick and couldn't go.
	And they asked me, they said, please, please, can you heal Johanna?
	And I said, well, today I'm really exhausted.
	We're going to Bath, England, but when we get there tonight I'm going to send the girl the healing energy and hopefully she'll be better tomorrow.
	So that night I went into, we were in this little restaurant and I could feel the power coming into me and I just held her in my mind and I could see this brilliant pink light shooting out of my forehead going to the girl and I could see a picture in my mind's eye and all of a sudden in my mind's eye I heard her sit up and say, that's enough, that's enough, stop it.
	At that time, I stopped sending the energy.
	We called back to London the next day.
	The girl was fine.
	They took her down to meet her classmates later that day.
	She had a good trip.
	We never heard anything more about it, at least I didn't.
	But my girlfriend stayed with these people for another week, and one day when she was studying, she overheard the mother talking to her neighbor, and she heard the mother say to the neighbor, The strangest thing happened the other night.
	Johanna sat up in the middle of the night and said, I'm burning up.
	I'm burning up.
	Stop it.
	Stop it.
	That's enough."
	And then she went back to sleep, and the next day she was fine.
	You see, it's a similar thing.
	She was so freaked out by that, she would never tell me.
	But she told the neighbor, and that's fine, as long as the girl was helped.
	That's the important thing.
	You help that woman.
	That's the important thing.
	So you never see her again.
	They never contact you again.
	You'll let it go.
	That's the way it is.
	One of the healing energies that I experienced a lot that I've just really enjoyed, a facet of healing, was when I would be looking at somebody, whether it's close by or distant, is actually seeing all of the lines of energy form.
	I see their body, but then I see all the energy lines form, and then either the red spots or the dark spots or whatever, wherever, different types of problems might be formed.
	Well, cool.
	Very good for you.
	You have some perception.
	That's excellent.
	Good for you.
	I thought I could work them out to us, to work out and get the lines of energy flowing straight again, or into their patterns.
	Good.
	You have a gift.
	Keep it up.
	All right.
	Very good.
	Wes of the Rockies, you're on the air with Alan Mesher and Art Bell.
	Good morning to you.
	Yeah.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Art.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Al.
	Good morning.
	Okay.
	First of all, my first experience was about 15 years ago.
	I was at work.
	I was working and all of a sudden I hadn't seen my preschool teacher since preschool.
	But I recognized her.
	She was a lot older than she was back then.
	And what was really strange was she brought in this old oriental guy.
	He had a long beard and he had a long, one of those long mustaches, you know.
	He looked like he didn't speak any English or anything.
	I was really astonished because I remember my teacher being a real sweet lady.
	She brought me to Sunday school.
	She was a real conservative type lady.
	She wore glasses and everything.
	She was wonderful.
	And apparently she had saved a pair of my socks.
	And the purpose was it.
	I asked who the guy, this guy was, all he did was say that he's the master and that he knows and he sees everything.
	And I was like, you know, I just like, okay.
	And then he touched my forehead and then he walked around the room and they both went away.
	And that was the last time I saw them.
	I thought that was really odd.
	It was like almost cultish.
	I felt, but, um, and then, um, One time in Reno, I was... Well, wait a minute.
	What do you think happened to you?
	I mean, you said they touched your forehead.
	You gave us a story, but with what purpose?
	You know, at that time, I didn't know.
	I thought it was something really bizarre.
	And in retrospect, I'm glad you asked me, because there was a person standing there next to me, and he said something to her I couldn't understand.
	And she said, I asked her what he said, and she said, that's the white one.
	And apparently I ended up marrying her.
	And then... Apparently you ended up marrying her?
	Yeah, well right now I'm going through a divorce.
	Okay, so I don't know what that means, but... It means you had trouble in your marriage.
	I think, and maybe that was what he was suggesting, but I don't know.
	I'm just speculating.
	I'm still trying to gather it to this day.
	Let me finish my story.
	One time I was in Reno playing blackjack at a casino, and the dealer said, when you go back to Wherever, you know, where I'm from, be sure that you go to the doctor because you have something's wrong with your heart.
	You have a heart problem.
	At that time, I didn't really take it seriously, but I was, you know, really kind of, I'm a little superstitious, so I went to the doctor and turned out I had high blood pressure.
	And then just recently... Alright, well listen, we're going to have to hold it right there with the stories, but that's a good one.
	Alan, are there people like that doing jobs, for example, dealing blackjack or whatever, you know, pumping gas at a gas station, who have this... Oh, absolutely.
	...this seeing ability that we're talking about tonight?
	They have a certain kind of perception, sure.
	And dispense it in the way he just talked about?
	Of course.
	How interesting.
	Of course.
	Caught by an angel, you know?
	Yeah, indeed.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Alan Mescher.
	Yes, hello.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	I have a couple of questions for Alan.
	I don't know if they're related or not.
	When I first started listening tonight, he was talking about reincarnation.
	Well, I'm 41 now, and as long as I can remember, I have been scared to death of flying.
	Well, when I was 19 years old, I had this dream that I was a man, and it was real specific.
	When I was growing up as a young child, I always felt like I should have been a male.
	In that dream I dreamt that I was in a little red airplane flying from Petersburg to Wrangell in the year 1939 and we crashed and I died.
	I woke up and I spoke to my mother after that and she said that I had flipped out the first time I had ever gotten on a plane when I was two years old.
	So I'm just wondering about reincarnation also.
	I came from a very alcoholic home, very abusive, a lot of sexual abuse with numerous perpetrators.
	Consequently, I have a real hard time with trust, and I'm just wondering if those two things are related.
	I had read a numerology book one time.
	The one thing I do remember about that book was that we choose our own parents and so just listening to him tonight I was wondering about this trust issue if it had anything to do with the dream about the airplane and the type of home I grew up in.
	That's a really good question and it's really hard to ascertain that without working on you for a session or two but what I would say off the top of my head is that there may be a relationship but I don't really think that there is.
	I think that the flying experience was, to me, as you dreamed it out, your symptoms when you were two years old, the way you reacted going on a plane, it indicates that something like that certainly happened.
	The way the dream was so specific indicates to me that's probably exactly what happened to you.
	But that necessarily wouldn't translate into an issue of trust and being born into an alcoholic family where there was lots of sexual abuse.
	I think those are two very separate issues, honestly.
	I would have gone on to ask her, if you do choose your parents, why do you choose those?
	Yeah, well, some people get it screwed up, you know, or she may have karma from other lifetimes with those people.
	I see this all the time, you know.
	You wonder why you get caught up in these situations, and it can very well be like something like that happened to you before in the past, very similar.
	And you get recreated into a situation that is the same, or reflects it, or is with the same people.
	Gotcha.
	And the reason you do it is because you've got to become aware of it, stand up, move away from it, and heal yourself of it.
	Alright.
	Well, it has been dynamite having you on the air, Alan.
	Thank you so very much, and good night, my friend.
	Good night, my friend, and thank you, Art.
	It's been a pleasure, and my end as well.
	We'll do it again.
	Take care.
	That's Alan Mesher.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Open lines.
	Directly ahead.
	So.
	Touch not that dial.
	You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from June 8th, 1999.
	It's a song that I'm wishing my times don't bring me down.
	No, no, no, no, no. I'll tell you what's wrong before I get up and go. Don't bring me down.
	You could read my mind, love, what a tale my thoughts could tell. Just like an old time movie about a ghost from a
	wishing well.
	In a castle dark or a fortress strong with chains upon my feet.
	you You know that ghost is me And I will never be set free As long as I'm a ghost that you can't see If I could read your mind, love What a tale your thoughts could tell
	Just like a paperback novel, the kind the drugstore sells When you reach the part where the heartaches come
	The hero would be me, the hero of today You won't read that book again because the ending's just
	too hard to take I'd walk away like a movie star
	I'd walk away like a movie star I'd walk away like a movie star
	Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight's program originally aired June 8th, 1999.
	Listen, hard times are not hard to predict.
	They're really not.
	The weather is undergoing a change.
	Permanent, temporary, whatever.
	I don't know, but it's changed.
	I shouldn't say undergoing a change.
	I think it is still changing rapidly, but it has already changed.
	You know, it's been an amazing year, and as somebody once said recently, all bets are off in 99.
	That's it.
	Ed Dames.
	By the way, while we're on the subject of Ed Dames, we'll touch on remote viewing here in a moment.
	There was a shot from the sun the other day that had it come toward the Earth.
	Well, let me put it this way.
	The scientists were calling it, I forget what the exact word was, a planet killer or something like that.
	I'd have to look it up.
	I've got it here somewhere.
	A serious shot from the sun.
	Echoes of that damn sun.
	Okay, we have got nothing but an hour of open lines ahead.
	One little item from a concerned Canuck.
	Dear Art, here's one more for the Weird Weather Book.
	Today, June 8th, now yesterday, in White Rock, Vancouver, B.C., a freak storm rolled through the area at about 9 in the morning, dumping 64 millimeters of rain and hail In under four hours.
	Also, with this storm, was a water spout.
	Now, I'm not saying this never happens in this area, but it is very extreme for this part of the globe.
	Needless to say, the flooding was very, very bad.
	If you have the time, check the Newswire.
	I'm sure they've mentioned this.
	The weather is, in fact, changing.
	And, you know, we, again, human beings, of course, have a very short lifespan, so we don't perceive changes easily, and when we do, That means there really is a rapid change going on.
	I wonder if you have any argument for that at that point.
	Open lines, anything you want to talk about, Farrah Game?
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Yes.
	Hello.
	Yes.
	You have your radio on.
	It's going to confuse you.
	OK.
	I'll turn it off.
	OK.
	Thank you.
	You're very welcome.
	I was listening to Alan.
	On measure, yes.
	Yes.
	And he had mentioned something about, you know, uh, not being positive or being negative.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think he's positive.
	It just might be in a different way that maybe everybody don't see.
	You know, he had mentioned before that, that, uh, you know, you have to let it go and you don't know what happened to the person.
	You may not know whatever happens to them.
	Well, in another sense, you know, um, not every person wants, they're content with what they, you know, with, with maybe what they're dealing with, or they're, they're ready to, you know, they've already let go of everything, and now that, you know, he, you know, they come to him, they say, you know, they want to be healed, well, maybe they're already content, it's not really a, a healing he needs to do, it's just a, um, What do you call it?
	A closing for him?
	Closure.
	Yeah, closure.
	And in that sense, he's healing them in a way, but it's not physical.
	It's more mental.
	Well, he would argue with that, of course.
	I appreciate your call.
	You know, I don't know.
	What I do know is that it works.
	That these healings really do take place.
	I can't tell you where the power comes from, whether it actually is a power emanating from somebody like Alan Mesher, and he says it is, or whether it is a placebo effect, or whether it's something from inside, sort of the reverse voodoo, if you will.
	It is said voodoo can only affect you in a negative way if you believe that it can't And so if that is true, then the opposite would be true as well, would it not?
	That beneficial effects can occur to you if you believe that they will.
	By the way, do you remember we were talking about bugs last week?
	Flies?
	Anybody out there remember that one?
	I've got a couple of facts here.
	In June of 1988, I was at a graduation party in Erie, Pennsylvania.
	The wind?
	It was getting chilly.
	So we moved the party into my friend's garage.
	There were fluorescent lights, and the doors were wide open.
	We were being swamped by mosquitoes and moths.
	My friend, half-jokingly, told me to use my powers to get rid of the bugs.
	I was the one in the group that was a little psychic.
	So I said, OK, I'll give it a try.
	I made up some bullpucky ritual right there on the spot.
	I told everyone to concentrate on my hands that I had in some goofy shape.
	Well, would you believe all the bugs fell to the floor?
	I didn't believe it either, but I've got witnesses, Art, and I swear every now and then I ask them if it really happened, and they assure me it did.
	And then there's this, Art, your comment before the eleven o'clock break about a fly that wouldn't die.
	Remember that?
	The fly that wouldn't die?
	Reminded me of a very bizarre and scary moment that I had in San Diego about ten years ago.
	I was in my apartment bathroom one day when a particularly huge fly began buzzing about me as if he or she, one couldn't tell, had something to tell me.
	I immediately thought What would I do if I heard a tiny, shrill voice saying, Help me!
	Help me!
	Rain land in the original horror sci-fi movie, The Fly, or was it Vincent Price?
	Well, anyway, that did it.
	I shut the bathroom door, grabbed a towel, and snapped at the poor devil, knocking him or her out of the air and into the open toilet bowl where it floated on its back for a long time.
	No doubt having a bug NDE.
	As I resumed shaving, I kept looking down at the poor dead fly floating on its back, little legs in the air, thinking that I have just committed murder.
	And no doubt was about to engage a burial at sea.
	Anyway!
	Suddenly, as the razor neared my throat, the fly defied all principles of known physics and literally leapt off its back out of the water straight toward my face.
	It did not fly, it leapt.
	Needless to say, this nearly scared me to death.
	Later, I thought an act of genius by the fly, a final act of revenge which had it worked, would have had me slitting my own throat By being so startled by the attempt, or perhaps just dying from an outright heart attack.
	Nice try, huh?
	True story, Art.
	True story.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hey, this is Zach Collins from Sacramento.
	Hey there.
	Talking on my Sanyo 900 MHz digital spread spectrum.
	And it sounds damn good, too.
	I'm also listening on my CC radio powered By the sun, listening and watching with my light.
	Anyway, there's a song that you're playing when you're coming in and out.
	It's this Irish girl with this drum beat.
	Yes.
	I've been dying to get the CD.
	Can you let me know what that is?
	No, it's a secret.
	No, it's Lorena McKenna.
	Lorena?
	I'm pretty sure that's who you're talking about.
	Yes, I've heard the name before.
	I just couldn't place it.
	Right.
	Lorena McKenna.
	She is a Canadian artist.
	I was privileged to go and see her in person up in Vancouver.
	Fantastic.
	I'll be picking that up.
	Yep.
	Lorena McKenna.
	I really appreciate what you're doing, Art.
	Thanks a lot.
	Take care.
	Just go into a store and ask for Lorena McKenna.
	First time, call her line.
	You're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	I'm talking to Art Bell.
	I'm the only one here.
	It's the only possibility.
	I'm sorry.
	I've been trying to reach your line for some time, and I was listening to your program this evening.
	about your uh... holistic practitioner holistic uh... i'm not sure that's an accurate description but well maybe it is okay i'm gonna go to the other line just for a very quick second okay that's much better uh... yeah okay uh... art have a few comments as far as uh... what he was talking about and uh... the ideas of Of healing.
	I think healing could actually come through meditation.
	And I think there's a big, perhaps, well, through virtual reality.
	The applications of virtual reality are phenomenal.
	Well, you're talking about two different things.
	Meditation and virtual reality.
	Meditation and virtual reality, the combination of the two.
	And all I'm saying is because the applications of virtual reality, if you set up a program, say perhaps a person might have a problem with perhaps liver cancer or liver disease.
	If you set up a program so that the person can go into an environment to look within a virtual reality.
	Very interesting.
	I see exactly what you're saying.
	You see what I'm saying?
	Oh yes, of course.
	And I totally know that this is possible.
	For some time I've actually had the idea about what you're talking about the power of prayer and Consciousness on you know if you get enough people together to think about something yes, it's possible And I totally believe that I believe that for a very long time and virtual reality this whole aspect came to me for some time With this virtual reality idea of taking the applications virtual reality and making programs and The software is out there, but it's expensive to make and produce.
	They're using it for brain surgery and some other medical applications.
	But through meditation, what it does, I think, is the possibilities of enhancing the mind and actually taking a person to look within themselves, to look at their own selves, to look how they work when they're supposed to work and how they're not supposed to work.
	Do you see what I'm saying?
	Yes, absolutely, and clearly, I see what you're saying, of course.
	One very interesting application for virtual reality, as it progresses, and you know what that is now, right?
	Virtual reality, you put on goggles, and headphones, and a suit, and you can feel and move, sometimes you're on a machine that will move you, And you become immersed in what is projected toward you.
	And would that have healing applications?
	Yes, I would think so.
	Sure.
	Sure it would.
	And as they develop virtual reality to the point where there becomes a machine brain interface, then it would be all the more effective.
	So as, you know, technology progresses, I would think the applications for that would progress with it.
	Very interesting.
	And yes, I'm sure you're right, sir.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	Extinguish thy radio.
	This is Don from Buffalo.
	Buffalo?
	Yes, Don.
	I have a quick story of healing.
	This one guy I knew, I had torn up my quads in my legs, and he told me he'd heal me.
	I mean, I was in really bad shape.
	This is just really weird.
	Sorry.
	Um, and he took me in the other room and he's like, I'm going to heal you.
	And he starts, and I thought, I thought this guy's a real nut job.
	I mean, so I didn't believe it was going to happen.
	It's not like a placebo thing.
	So I was, he was saying, he's like, I'm taking out the pain, blah, blah, blah.
	And, uh, and, uh, I was figuring I'd tell him, Oh yeah, it feels a little better.
	I mean, I could barely walk.
	And so, he says, well now, get up.
	You mean you were going to lie to him, you mean?
	Yeah, I was going to be nice, you know, oh, it feels a little bit better.
	But, and he says, get up.
	Yep.
	And I stood up, and I mean, it wasn't totally gone, but I could walk, finally.
	Well, one of two things happened to you, sir.
	Either you were honestly healed by some external force, or your own mind, despite your conscious thoughts, your unconscious, embraced what he was saying and you were in effect hypnotized and that is a form of treatment.
	I don't know what happened to you.
	I don't know.
	I know that this healing thing works.
	I don't know what it is though.
	Do you?
	Really?
	All I know is I didn't think it was going to work.
	It wasn't in my mind where it's like, yes, you will get healed if I say you will.
	It was totally absent.
	I thought the guy was real nuts.
	I know.
	That's what you thought consciously, sir.
	But what I'm trying to say to you is, there may have been a subconscious hypnotic suggestion implanted in you.
	And I'm not in any way belittling the possibility that healers have a true external force.
	But I'm also embracing the possibility that it is, as I said earlier, the placebo effect It is not a trivial effect.
	As a matter of fact, over half the ailments that the American people go to a doctor for can be cured with a placebo.
	A placebo is, for example, a pill that is nothing.
	Made up of sugar, or you know, who knows what.
	The fact that you think it will cure you, cures you.
	So you've got to put that into the equation.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air, hi.
	Yes, on the healing.
	Is it more like on a religion basis or is it just a belief, a faith?
	What do you think?
	I think you have to believe that you want to be healed.
	Yeah, I do too.
	And I think that you have to believe it either consciously Or subconsciously, or both?
	Right.
	And one of the things he said about healing, he sounds so wonderful.
	He just sounds so wonderful.
	And I wrote everything down.
	I tried to keep up with everything, anyway.
	And to me, it seems like as much as he's got, as much as the faith that he's got to heal, and like he said, he was given He was given a healing through a higher power.
	Yes.
	And it's a major gift.
	And he was talking about different ones being called, you know, he felt like that was his calling.
	Everybody can sing.
	Not everybody can sing, you know.
	Well, he said everybody can sing, just not everybody can make beautiful music, and not everybody is an artiste.
	I'm Art Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 8th, 1999.
	Oh, see that girl, watch that scene, diggin' for dancing queen.
	Friday night and the lights are low, looking out for a place to go.
	The next day, the sun is out, and the moon is shining.
	Oh, see that girl, watch that scene, diggin' for dancing queen.
	Hey, ya, hey, yo. Hey, ya, hey, yo.
	You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from June 8th, 1999.
	Welcome to the program, those of you who joined at this hour.
	Anything is possible tonight, anything at all.
	Who knows?
	But then again, that's kind of the way I like it.
	Well, a listener in Nashville sent me his credit card bill.
	And this credit card bill is kind of interesting.
	It's normal in every respect.
	Except at the very bottom.
	And you know what it says at the very bottom?
	It says, there will be a Y2K charge of $25 on your next statement.
	Have any of the rest of you received this?
	I've got the bill in my hand.
	Right here.
	There will be a Y2K charge of $25 on your next statement.
	Now, how in God's name, maybe we ought to leave him out of this, how the hell can any company charge you for their Y2K fix?
	How can they do that?
	And why should you pay Out of their minds!
	Anyway, I've got it.
	It's real.
	It's here.
	And while we're on the subject, very briefly, of Y2K, as you know, I have interviewed Ed Yorden on this show.
	Ed Yorden is dropping out.
	Ed Yorden says, no more.
	No more Y2K.
	Ed Yorden says, and I quote, the time has come for me to say goodbye to Y2K.
	I am removing the Y2K articles, links, and resources from my website, And dropping off the Y2K radar screen, Y2K has been a part of my life since 1995 and has occupied nearly every waking moment since the summer of 97.
	And while it will continue to have a significant impact on my personal and family life, I no longer plan to play a public role.
	I realize this may raise some questions and perhaps cause some commentary and debate.
	And I've attempted to answer the more obvious questions below.
	Why?
	Why now?
	No, I have not been abducted by aliens, haven't been kidnapped by the CIA, or the mysterious people in black helicopters.
	I've not been threatened by the FBI, haven't been bribed by banks or the government or anyone else.
	There's nothing deep, dark, or mysterious about my decision.
	I simply feel that I've done everything I can to raise the alarm about Y2K.
	I've co-authored two books, Written dozens of articles and essays, spoken at hundreds of seminars, conferences, meetings, and gatherings.
	And I could continue doing the same thing over and over again, but I'd be repeating myself.
	More important, I'd be preaching to the choir.
	Those whose opinion and outlook on Y2K are compatible with mine would nod their head in agreement, and those whose opinion and outlook are incompatible with mine would shake their head in disbelief just as they have for four years.
	Yes, there are still some people who are undecided and who continue to listen to both the optimist and pessimist before making up their own mind, but I think that a more accurate term for undecided is indifferent.
	i.e.
	there are many people who still don't care or don't think the topic worthy of serious attention And who may not focus on Y2K until this fall, quite possibly.
	Not until midnight on New Year's Eve, well.
	Meanwhile, I sense a hardening of positions.
	Those who are pessimistic about the outcome are even more convinced than they were a year ago.
	Those who are optimistic are even more convinced.
	Especially because they see a steady stream of upbeat press releases and government status reports.
	There's more than just hardening of positions, though.
	I sense an increasing degree of confrontation and hostility between the two camps, and I expect this to continue for the remainder of the year, and I don't think it's a productive use of my time, or for that matter anyone else's, to continue attempting to respond to messages and commentary whose purpose often seems to be to ignore the message, shoot the messenger.
	So, I respect Ed Yorden's decision.
	And I suspect he's absolutely right.
	It's either too late now to change minds and to have any effect, or the job has already been done.
	So, in a way, I join with Ed Yorden.
	You know, we're at about that juncture point now where those who believe that something will occur have done something, those who don't have not.
	And not many minds are going to be changed from here through the end of the year.
	Wes for the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi Art.
	Hello.
	Yes.
	My experience, I had a weird dream.
	I know you have a lot of listeners out there.
	I have two comments to make.
	First of all, there was a wrestler who died.
	I'm sorry?
	A professional wrestler, you know?
	Died, yes.
	Yes, I had a dream and a little premonition before that about that incident, and then when it happened... Do you have your radio on, sir?
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Hold on.
	Never leave your radio on.
	Never, never, never.
	Makes you sound very confused on the air.
	So you had a premonition... Okay, that's better.
	Anyway, it really scared me, and a little bit before that and then after that... Hello?
	Hello?
	Yes, a little bit before that and after that.
	It's like I've been going into stores or somewhere and I pick up these emotions.
	If they're strong emotions, I can pick them up.
	Did you call this wrestler and warn him?
	No, because... Don't you feel a little guilty about that?
	I don't know, because at the time when I had the dream, I didn't think anything of it.
	You just told me that you had very strong emotions about it.
	Well, I was watching the program a couple of nights prior to the fatal accident.
	I didn't think much of it until I had that dream.
	Then, like I said, every time I go somewhere, Even more now, I just don't know what... It doesn't happen on a push-button basis.
	It just comes.
	I understand.
	That's the way these things work.
	You can't control them.
	They just happen.
	Yeah, and it's almost like it's enough to drive a person crazy, because he feels everybody's emotion.
	Well, next time, call them up, if you would, and warn them.
	I mean, if you really believe that you have that gift, and you foresee tragedy for somebody, try to warn them.
	See if it works.
	Of course, I suppose if you did and they followed your advice and nothing happened, they would claim that there was nothing to it.
	So the only way you can know for sure that it's for real is to watch and let the wrestler die and say, see, I knew.
	Of course, it would have been a lot more convincing had you called us here before it occurred.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Hi, is this the Hourbell Show?
	Good guess.
	Good guess.
	Good guess?
	Good guess.
	Oh, great.
	Let me get on my other phone real quick.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Yes, hello again.
	Yeah, I was hoping to speak with Arbel.
	Well, you are.
	Oh, great.
	Hoping you shall receive.
	I'm the only one here.
	My girlfriend introduced you to me for the first time last summer.
	I'd like to thank your girlfriend.
	I've been listening to your programs a number of evenings and been intrigued.
	I've been living in Puerto Rico for about 20 years.
	Puerto Rico?
	Yeah.
	So I'm familiar with some of the stories you've come up with.
	Home of the chupacabra?
	Yeah.
	They had a big thing about that a few years back.
	It comes and goes.
	It comes and goes.
	Well, right now it's coming.
	I've got a brand new story.
	Which comes from, let me see, where is this?
	Charlotte, North Carolina.
	Yeah, I heard something mentioned about... You know what happened?
	Dogs there have been dying like crazy, attacked in the middle of the night, suffering deep puncture wounds in their necks.
	What kind of animals?
	Dogs.
	Dogs.
	Okay, I guess mainly what I heard in Puerto Rico was sheep.
	The same type of thing, puncture wounds and not blood detected.
	That's right, well that's what they're getting in North Carolina, dogs dead with puncture wounds in their necks.
	Now I wonder what would do that?
	Ah, who knows?
	Here's an example, a ten month old Rottweiler now.
	That's possible, they can't really suck the blood out, but who knows, right?
	Who knows?
	Chupacabra could be a number of things.
	Could even be demon-related.
	Could be.
	But you would think, sir, thank you, that a demon would suck, as in succubus, your spiritual self from you, not the physical blood.
	At any rate, they're having a spot of a problem in North Carolina with some sort of predator.
	Now, they don't say Chupacabra, Sounds a lot like it, doesn't it?
	Long card line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	Hello.
	This is Ann calling from Nashville.
	Hi, Ann.
	Hi.
	I love your show.
	Thank you.
	And God bless you and your family.
	Thank you.
	I want to ask you about Neil Slade.
	Neil Slade.
	You know, he's the one that says you can poke holes in clouds.
	You know the one?
	Yes, I do.
	Are you going to have him back?
	Yes, I am.
	Do you have him scheduled for a certain day?
	Not yet, but I've got him right at the top of the pile.
	I told him I'd have him back and I will.
	Does he have a book out?
	Ummm...
	Hmm...
	You know, I wish you hadn't asked me because I can't remember.
	Well, I...
	I think that he does.
	So yes, we're going to have him back shortly.
	I thought it was a lot of bull, you know?
	Yes, ma'am.
	And then I heard you say a lot of people call in and say, it works!
	I know.
	I want you to know, I got out just playing.
	It does.
	I know.
	It's phenomenal.
	I know.
	And he said that some people got a little more psychic stuff when they learned to do this.
	I've had things happen today that I knew ahead of time.
	Premonitions?
	Mm-hmm.
	I knew my son was going to call.
	He did, within five minutes.
	When I went outside to walk my dog at three o'clock this morning, I felt like something was out there, but it wasn't dangerous.
	And there was like six police cars up the street.
	I think they had caught a drunk or something, but they're walking all over the neighborhood with flashlights, so one of them must have run.
	But it's really weird.
	Well, what you do is, thank you very much, learn to cultivate that.
	and when you have a lot of people ignore their premonitions you know they have a nasty little feeling about something or another they just sort of blow it off and then many times when whatever it is they thought about comes true they don't even think back and recall they had that feeling but you can cultivate that and you can make it grow and you can use it in your life to make decisions to make good decisions East of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
	Hey, Art?
	Hey, yes.
	I've got a guest request.
	Okay.
	I've sent you a couple emails about Loren Coleman, the cryptozoologist.
	Oh, yes, we've had him on before.
	Yeah, I know, with that Danny Sweeten deal here in Texas, the Bigfoot deal.
	That's right.
	But he's got two books, one that just came out about Bigfoot and one that's cryptozoology A to Z, plus he's next month going on a two-man sub-expedition to Loch Ness.
	Oh, to a submarine expedition?
	Yeah, it's a guy, Danny Taylor, that went there with a one-man sub in 1969 and wasn't very successful.
	And I guess he's been working for 30 years perfecting his submarine.
	He's got a two-man sub and he chose Loren Coleman to be the co-pilot on the sub.
	Boy, what an adventure that sounds to be.
	The only thing I would say is, what if they find Nessie?
	Yeah.
	I mean, Nessie would take a two-man sub and Twist it open like a, you know, like an empty beer can.
	I would hope they would at least have a place to bring an extra pair of undershorts.
	But, yeah, that's like the first week in July.
	So, you know, it'd be a good time to have him on to talk about that.
	All right.
	Well, if Mr. Coleman's out there, give me a shout.
	You know how to get hold of me.
	And I think I might know how to get hold of you.
	I'm not sure.
	I'll send you an email address.
	I'll send it again.
	All right.
	Thanks a lot.
	Thank you very much and take care.
	Can you imagine going underwater in the lock and actually coming face to face, kind of
	like 20,000 leagues under the sea with this enormous monster?
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	Yes, sir.
	Yes, is this our bell?
	Everybody seems to ask that for some reason.
	There's nobody else here.
	I'm the only one that could answer the phone.
	So, yes, it's me.
	Oh, sorry, Art.
	Sorry.
	The reason I'm calling is, a few months back, I heard a program of yours that was very disturbing.
	And it was about this woman who was a Satanist or something.
	Oh, yes.
	And it seemed to me that you were quite disturbed, too.
	Her name was Harlot.
	Harlot?
	Harlot.
	Was that her Christian name?
	Cute, sir.
	No, but I was just wondering, did that not upset you as well?
	Yes, it did.
	I was just wondering, because her stance seems so biblical and very Christian, in a way.
	I mean, she seemed to... well, they say that even the devil can quote scriptures, I suppose.
	Well, even the devil can use scriptures for his own end, yes.
	At any rate, I had thought afterwards, at the end of the program, that she must be a very unhappy woman indeed.
	If indeed she did go around the states and sowing lust and discord.
	Well, actually, she was quite happy doing what she does.
	And the one thing that did chill me, that you may recall that she said, if you heard enough of the program, was that she made sure that her son was going to follow her to hell.
	Her innocent son.
	You remember that?
	Yes, I do.
	It should be right to the bone.
	Yes.
	Well, I don't know if that's possible, and I thought it wouldn't be possible.
	I thought that a soul could not be taken against its will to hell by anybody.
	But then I had Father Malachi Martin on the air, and I told him about this, and he said, oh, ouch, in the way he says it.
	Yes, it is possible.
	I know it seems unreasonable.
	An unlikely, but it is possible.
	You mean you can request somebody to go to hell?
	You can literally drag them with you.
	I see.
	Pretty freaky, huh?
	Yeah, I think I'll stick to mainstream Christianity.
	Well, remember one thing about Christianity?
	It's really good when you have the hell scared out of you.
	So maybe she did us all a favor, what do you think?
	I think so, possibly.
	That's for sure.
	She did me a good favor, anyway.
	All right.
	Tell everybody, good night.
	Show's over.
	Good night, everybody.
	The show's over.
	Oh, you guys.
	All right.
	That's it for tonight.
	Tomorrow night should be very interesting.
	Linda Moulton Howe is going to be here.
	And then on Thursday, we are going to do a full night of ghost stories.
	One of my favorite things to do.
	Tell your friends, ghost stories.

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