Alan Mesher explores the 500-year astrological cycle’s "trough" in the early 1990s, linking solar/lunar eclipses in Scorpio to global instability and unresolved past-life traumas—like a client’s SS officer memories manifesting as cervical cancer or Inquisition-era rage causing testicular cancer. He channels healing energy from "a very high place," tailored like refracted light, using guided visualization and sound to release blocked emotions tied to identity. Callers share anecdotes: a toothbrush injury healed through metaphysics, psychic premonitions (including a wrestler’s death), and chupacabra-like animal attacks. Mesher argues collective emotional healing could create a safer world, while Bell debates placebos vs. genuine energy shifts amid skepticism. The episode ends with hints of cryptozoology, Satanism claims, and upcoming ghost stories, blending fringe science with esoteric fears. [Automatically generated summary]
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Put it up on your computer, and it's free, by the way.
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And here I will be.
Not only will you see, but you will hear me doing the program.
I call it almost television.
Alright.
Item number one.
On this Tuesday night, Wednesday morning is a picture, photograph.
This is the Dog Gongas photograph.
I've got it on the website for you to see.
The photograph was taken by Teresa M.F. Martin, M-A-R-T-E-N.
And Teresa went to Majigori.
Now, I'm telling you right now, she took this of a friend of hers named Vica.
And you're going to have to help me explain how this photograph could possibly be.
Vika was holding in her hand Pray with the Heart books.
Pray with the Heart books.
I mean, there she was in Medgluri, right?
And they took this photograph of her, and it absolutely shows a beam of light, a very sharp, specific, narrow beam of light, which goes through a person behind her.
I'm describing this.
You can go up there and look at it for yourself.
It goes through a person behind her, pierces her body, and you don't see it piercing the bodies.
This is what is so odd.
This is not a photographic anomaly.
No way.
It pierces Vika's heart.
It has to be going right exactly through her heart, and then out the other side, and you will clearly see it coming out the books.
Now, if this is trick photography, I sure don't know how it could have been done.
I receive, on average, literally hundreds of photographs every month.
Hundreds.
And you never see most of them.
But this one?
Oh, this one's a real trip.
Really, I suggest you go up there and take a look.
Incredible photograph.
Absolutely incredible.
And I'm sure we'll get the usual pixel people who will tear it apart.
But it's one of the best I've ever seen with reference to its inexplicability.
It cannot be explained.
So take a look, see what you think.
All right.
Next item.
It was about eight or nine months ago that the original program I had prior to Dreamland was called Area 2000, and it was sponsored by the Bigelow Foundation, Bob Bigelow in Las Vegas.
And that eventually became Dreamland, which then eventually influenced Coast, and it's a long story.
Suffice to say, Bob Bigelow is a benefactor to ufology and to investigations of the unexplained life after death, that sort of thing.
Bob Bigelow, I've known now for years.
And I had a talk with Bob Bigelow, I don't know, it was some months ago, and he was setting up a mechanism which would decide how to disperse the monies that he had that he could put into useful venues for ufology.
And he asked me what I thought, and I told him what I thought.
I said, well, Bob, you know, the one thing that we refer to all the time on the air, the Brookings study, report, Brookings report, whatever you want to call it, basically suggested that so many people would freak out if there was some kind of alien presence proven or, you know, if they landed, whatever, if we suddenly realized the whole thing is real.
The Brookings reports seemed to suggest that the wise course of action for the government would be to keep it secret if they could.
And I said, Bob, you know, what about going back to Brookings and getting another, commissioning another report?
He said, doggone good idea.
And I guess they went to Brookings.
Bob did, Bob Bigelow at my suggestion.
And they said they didn't have the facilities at the time or whatever to do it right now.
So earlier today, I received the following.
From the National Institute for Discovery Science.
How would humans react if ET were to land?
And here's what I read.
NASA and the scientific community are actively searching For evidence of extraterrestrial life, but what if we were confronted with undeniable proof that ETs exist and have been visiting Earth?
A nationwide survey by the Roper Organization has uncovered the following, and I'll give you this evidence in a moment.
It says, The Roper survey was conducted on behalf of the National Institute for Discovery Science, NIDS, a privately funded scientific research organization based in Las Vegas, Nevada.
The pollsters asked nationwide a sample of 1,971 men and women a variety of questions concerning a sudden confirmation of extraterrestrial life.
The poll has an error margin of 2.5%.
So when I saw this, I went, aha, Bob thought it was a good idea and did it.
And sure enough, I called Bob Bigelow, and he had done it, confirmed.
He commissioned the Roper poll, and here, folks, are the results.
One out of four Americans think that most people would totally freak out and panic if such evidence were confirmed.
Totally freak out and panic.
Now, I'm sure the poll supplied a multiple choice type answer, you know, like, how do you think it would affect people?
They'd, you know, from that to totally freak out and panic.
One in four think the other guy would one of four of the other guy would totally freak out and panic.
Now, here's an interesting sidebar to that, and I talked to Bob earlier, and he said, however, most of the people surveyed about how their own reaction would be declared they would not be the one of four.
In other words, people think that of other people, but not themselves.
Here's another one.
80% of influential Americans think the U.S. government, listen to this now, would classify or suppress evidence of extraterrestrial life.
You want to listen to that one again?
80%, that's 8 out of 10 of influential Americans surveyed think the U.S. government would classify or suppress evidence of extraterrestrial life.
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
Now, 8 out of 10, 1 out of 4 would freak out and panic, and 8 out of 10 thinks the government would not tell us the truth about it.
So, is it not then reasonable based on these new numbers, the first real survey, in fact, in some ways more extensive than Brookings, confirms in my way of thinking, and in fact goes beyond what Brookings said.
And so, let me continue.
Among other findings, when asked what they thought UFOs were, 25% thought alien spaceships, 12 thought secret government programs, 9% said hallucinations, 19% said UFOs are normal events that are misinterpreted by witnesses, and 7% said travelers from other dimensions.
The elected government, scientists, religious leaders?
Or some private organization that had planned for such a contingency?
Pretty well evenly split among those.
To continue, there have been no systematic studies about the potential impact of confirmed contact, says Dr. Colin Keller, I believe it is, Colin Keller, deputy administrator of NIDS.
And by the way, I'm going to try and have him on the air here.
A 1960 report by the Brookings Institute and an internal RAND document from 1968 predicted profound social consequences if contact were confirmed, but in 30 years there have been no follow-up studies.
Exactly right.
In 30 years, there have been no follow-up studies.
So I would like to commend Bob Bigelow for doing finally a follow-up study.
Are you surprised?
Are you surprised?
I'm not.
I thought all along that if we were to do another Brookings Institute type study, we would come up with virtually identical results.
In other words, I think not a lot has changed, and this confirms that.
So we're going to try and have Holm Keller on.
Keller here.
I know I'm slaughtering his name.
It's Irish, I believe, Coln, C-O-L-N.
And we're going to try and get in touch with him.
Bob said he'd have him give me a call, and we'll have him on and talk about this on the air.
China and Russia demanded today that NATO stop bombing Yugoslavia before the UN Security Council formally adopts a resolution ending the Kosovo conflict and paving the way for 850,000 refugees to go back home.
NATO warplanes, in fact, are busy attacking targets across Serbia in a thunderous warning to President Milosevic to implement a peace plan or else India and Pakistan, and this is good because I was worried about this one.
Read today to hold weekend peace talks aimed at ending fighting over Kashmir.
Now, you've got to remember that India and Pakistan have got nuclear weapons.
And if things should really get out of control, Big Rock is over Time Magazine's most influential soul of the century.
Jesus was the early favorite, but Hitler soon surged to the top, beating out Jesus.
That's all before Yitzhak Rabin gathered crucial momentum and toppled the Nazi ruler and before the computer-generated boomlet for Bill Gates.
Time magazine is moving towards electing a person of the century and has engaged millions of global citizens with what's turned into a brilliant publicity stunt, an online poll.
The competition has galvanized constituency groups, produced waves of email lobbying, even led to electronic ballot box stuffing.
Well, when you do it online, you know you're going to get stuffed.
No question about that.
So what about it?
Do you think Jesus or Hitler?
Jesus had the early lead, but Hitler has now crawled ahead.
Now, wouldn't that be a hell of a thing for time, wouldn't it, if they had to go actually published on the cover the most influential person of the century was Hitler.
A tremendous explosion took place on the surface of the sun last Tuesday, and for a few very nervous hours, astronomers did not know whether it was heading for Earth.
The blast threw a jet of superheated plasma carrying magnetic energy into space at speeds of 1,000 kilometers per second, or about 600 miles per second.
And the scientists who monitored this explosion called it a planet buster.
A planet buster.
Again, that's from BBC News.
I thought you might be interested.
Oh, by the way, Thursday night, no guest here.
We're going to do ghosts.
We haven't done ghosts in a while.
We're going to do an entire night of ghosts on.
Well, I call it when I do that, ghost to ghost AM.
So those of you who have good ghost stories will have your opportunity because that's all we're going to do on Thursday night.
To the lines we go.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
unidentified
I've been thinking about the whole Y2K and everything that's been going on as far as all of the paranormal activity in the way of all the sightings with black triangles and just putting everything together.
And it seems to me like we are headed for something.
But it's a very different thing than, I mean, it's hard to go wrong wishing somebody's tumor to get smaller or wishing them to recover from a heart attack or, you know, whatever.
That's one thing, and the good there is unmistakable.
But when we start tampering with the basic forces of the cosmos, then I get a little edgy.
So I'm still thinking about it, but I'm not rejecting the idea.
I'm thinking about it, okay?
unidentified
One thing that I know is I can't remember his name, but people refer to him as Dr. Doom.
But again, when you're wishing somebody to be well, it's unmistakably good and a fairly straightforward process.
Or even when you're trying to bring rain, although I'm not sure about that one, but when you're really trying to tamper with the basic forces of consciousness and nature and time and timelines and what's going to occur, you know, the biggie in this dimension, I don't know.
So I'm not rejecting the idea.
It's just I have not fully bought into the idea yet, but be advised, I am thinking about it.
Here's something that WABC in New York made up that I thought was really, really cute.
Yeah, the reason for that is that they have been using me as an experiment, and they have been slowly, slowly tweaking it, changing the parameters a little here and there, getting it just right, and they're really getting it right.
unidentified
Yeah, they're really getting it good.
And I think they're going to be the premier video streamers on the net very soon.
But the reason for my call is I'm in agreement with that last caller that I believe that we're on the brink of something unique happening in the history of the world.
And I was wondering, I know that you're not a research investigator or anything, but I'm always curious if maybe you could do a show on the ship that they found in the Ahura Gorge on Mount Ararat, or half of the ship.
I know the photograph, and I've seen the one on Ararat where you seem to see Noah's Ark.
Yeah, satellite photo.
It really looks like Noah's Ark.
unidentified
Yeah, and as a matter of fact, they've had several expeditions up there, and an individual, this was on PAPS TV, I think it's on my cable, it's Channel 19, but I guess it's out of Chicago.
In February, February 15th at 8 a.m.
It was an expedition for Noah's Ark, and individuals have even taken pieces of wood from the ship off of the mountain.
Yes, I've seen the photographs of what appears to be a ship on Ararat.
There's no question about it.
Now, whether they've actually recovered wood, in quote, samples, I mean, would it really be wood after all this time?
I don't know.
Do I believe it could have happened?
Yes, I do.
I don't, and I know that surprises a lot of people, but I don't reject what we think we know from the Bible any more than I reject any other theory.
I'm open, and it could easily be absolutely true.
After all, it is a recorded document.
Suspicious as we may be of its accurate survival over all this time and all that given, I certainly don't reject the fact that Noah may have had an ark, and it may be up on Ararat.
I wanted to see what you thought were the chances now that the bombing has not ceased of our getting into either first a major conflict or second a global conflict along the line which your guest Mr. Skalsen mentioned.
Well I think a global conflict is a risk of what we are doing.
There is no question about it.
With China and Russia demanding the bomb stop, they're not asking now, they're demanding.
You've got to imagine it's possible, right?
unidentified
Mr. Skousen, on your program, predicted a war between the United States and Russia, which was arranged directly by leaders of the American government in cahoots with the Chinese and the Muslims to overthrow the United States.
And so that is the purpose of Mr. Clinton's war, according to Mr. Skalsen, it seems to me.
Well, it's either, I guess, I'm worried about every aspect of this.
I think we've done a dumb thing.
If we send 100,000-plus troops into Kosovo and there's not really a peace, not really a peace, then those 100,000-plus are in grave danger.
And I don't like any step of what's occurred so far.
unidentified
Well, it does seem that with the fact that we can no longer retaliate, we've not put in SDI.
I understand there's an executive order that overrides Congress on SDI, that we cannot retaliate until we're already bombed and that we're giving all our secrets to China.
There may be truly a conspiracy of some sort between the Chinese, Mr. Clinton, and the NATO leaders, and maybe even the KLA drug runners over there.
I must tell you, though, honestly, I don't buy that.
Whatever you may think of Mr. Clinton, President Clinton, I don't for a second think that he is in some dark conspiracy to ensure that a nuclear war is initiated between Russia and the United States.
That would be a planet buster.
And whatever you think of Mr. Clinton, and I know a lot of you don't think much, I don't think that he has that mind at all.
I don't think he wants that as his legacy.
But we are, in my estimation, doing a very stupid thing and have been since the first day we began bombing in Yugoslavia, and I fear for the troops that will go in.
There's no reasonable way on the air that I can help you out with this.
You know, what you are talking about may well bring, as I'm sure you're aware, it may be a matter of litigation in courts and lawsuits and all of that.
Coming up in a moment is Alan Mesher, and he has written a book called The T Zone.
That's Teas and Tom Zone.
He's been a spiritual healer all his adult life, but we're going to talk about the T-Zone and the fact that he says the world has now entered a prolonged, dark period.
I'm telling you, you've got to see the photograph I've got up on the website right now from Metrigori.
It's one of the best I've ever seen.
If you can explain this away, fine, but it shows a spear of light going right through two bodies.
You don't actually see it passing through the bodies, but entering on one side and then coming out on the other, right through the heart and right through books.
It's the dogest photograph you've ever seen.
Tell me all about it.
Go take a look on my website now.
And one more time, I would like to say I am honored to have this year been nominated for a Marconi.
That news just broke yesterday.
They called and said, hey, you're nominated for a Marconi.
So I'm honored.
And whoever had anything to do with that, I don't know whether they have some sort of panel or people vote or how the nomination process is done, but I want to thank whoever did that because I am apparently nominated one of five nominees is here.
So whether you win or not doesn't matter.
It's just being nominated is a high honor.
The Marconi of the National Association of Broadcasters is a big one.
All right, so now we have a guest coming up.
He is Alan Mesher, and he has authored a book called The T-Zone, The Path to Inner Power.
It's a book with a positive vision of hope and triumph in a world grown increasingly dark and dangerous.
So this should be a very interesting conversation, I think.
The world, he says, has entered a prolonged, dark period.
It will get worse before it gets better.
We are now at the end of a 500-year cycle.
Before the new cycle can take root, the old must fall away.
I guess that would be us.
Now is the period when the collective world shadow is being brought out of its hiding place and wreaking havoc upon the planet.
It is also a time when subtle negative astral energies are busy stirring the pot of fear, hatred, and confusion all around us in order to keep the world unstable and off balance.
He spent years helping thousands of individuals overcome their negative side or shadow.
I know what it takes to conquer inner darkness.
I know, he says, how to overcome the obstacles to wholeness and balance.
What works for the individual can work for the society we live in.
The powerful and clear message of his book, The T-Zone, is needed in the world of today.
We must overcome the negative side of ourselves in order to build a better world.
It can be done.
It must be done.
The words of Alan Mesher, and here is Alan Mesher.
Well, I have been working on people for, golly, 25 years or so, and I figured it was time to put down some of what I learned in print so it can get out there and people can understand the transformation process, the way by which we overcome the negative inside ourselves, reintegrate the fragments of our power, become whole, and much more in tuned with our own inner person.
So that's why I wrote the book, so people would understand that process, would have hope, and knowing that no matter what their situation is, there is a way out.
Well, we've really come out of from the Middle Ages to the modern ages.
It's been this whole cycle that has really come to an end in the early 1990s.
There was a period of time, back in 91, I believe it was, when both there was a full eclipse of the sun and a full eclipse of the moon, both in the sign of Scorpio.
Scorpio is a sign that has to do with death and resurrection.
It has to do with the dark side of our nature, the parts of us that we have not looked at and healed.
And that augered in, this end to a whole collective period of human expression.
And we're going into something different.
And where it goes, no one actually fully knows.
But we're going through the trough between the ages.
And the trough between an ages is always a time When that everything that has been held latent with inside us has to come out and be dumped and be cleared so that we can move on.
And that's really what's going on in the world today.
There's a great amount of discharge of the negative side of our natures.
And it's a very dangerous time because when so much negative is present, anything can happen.
It creates unstability, uncertainty, confusion, anger, etc.
And I really believe there's an energetic shift going on on the planet.
There's a higher energy, a brighter light coming down on the planet.
And as that energy comes on and intensifies on the planet, what is occurring is that everything not only is speeding up, but all the negative is speeding up.
It's becoming much more present.
And every human being, as they begin a process of growing, it becomes an internal war that occurs between the light and dark elements of the psyche, between the soul and the ego.
And as we turn towards the soul, the war becomes much more intense within us because the ego, of course, does not want to give up its rulership over our lives.
In the external world, that is also the case.
Before the negative gives up, it's going to become more powerful and mount a big offense to try to reintegrate and take back its power.
And that's what we're seeing now because the negative is becoming much more powerful as the light is becoming much more powerful.
And if you want to go back, I mean, this whole battle between light and dark has always waged on this planet and was never more intense in our immediate experience than during World War II.
It wasn't just a battle for democracy versus totalitarianism, but it was really a battle between light and dark.
And it was evil forces versus light or positive forces.
And fortunately, in that instance, the light won.
But here we go again, because if we want to talk about the dark side of things, there is another influence that comes into being that I have noted a lot in the work that I do.
And that influences this astral power of darkness rather than just what originates in man himself.
Well, you're suggesting that darkness virtually permeates, saturates every aspect from the lowly human side of social behavior to the levels up above and beyond.
We're coming out of a 500-year cycle, and we're going into this period, this trough between the next upward wave, but that trough is not going to last 500 years.
I would imagine it will last somewhere between 20 to 40 years.
Or Korea, or something in the Middle East, or something in Africa, or something in South America.
You never know where the next one's going to come, but I think what's going to occur is as this cycle of instability continues, There will be more and more of these fires, more and more of these local wars, shall we say, that spread around the world.
Hopefully, they won't blow up into a world war.
They'll just stay localized, but we're going to see more of this.
There's going to be more of this.
And there'll be more social instability as well.
I think you'll see, unfortunately, a lot more killings and crazy behaviors as people act out what is inside them.
They're not taking responsibility.
They're just acting it out.
Let me give you an example of something a little different, but it's sort of right in the same ballpark that we're talking about.
I have a client, a long-term client, who for most of his life was a very angry person, who blamed his parents for all of his problems, could never quite get over his childhood, was very upset all the time, and very acting out his angst, always taking it out, never taking responsibility for himself and the fact that if anything has to change, he has to be the agent of change.
So as we act out more and more, what happens is that we are taken farther and farther away from who we really are.
And we get caught up in the world, we are caught up in our anger, and we just go down this very fragmented, bitter line where nothing happens inside ourselves that is really healthy or positive.
And we get farther away from ourself.
We become more and more off-balance, more and more unstable, just as the world is becoming.
But this person did some healing work, and he decided that he was going to take responsibility for his life.
And that is the first major key, taking responsibility.
So instead of looking outward and blaming others, he started looking in and seeing what was wrong with him, what was really his problem that he was projecting out onto other people.
And then as he started to take responsibility, he started to feel what was behind his anger.
He started to feel his own pain, his own shame, his own grief.
And as he began to get in touch with that, he began to have all these other kinds of emotions that were not angry, but were more like releasing grief, releasing heartbreak.
And he found himself crying at strangest times.
And it went on for a long period of time.
But every time that he went through a period where he was crying this out, he found himself getting more clear, getting more centered, feeling more whole, coming back to himself, feeling better and better and better about his life.
And that's the process that has to occur for people to overcome the dark side of their own experience.
And if more and more people can do that sort of thing, the world becomes a safer place.
But if we follow the line of least resistance and just continue to act out what is inside us, then the world becomes a more dangerous place.
And we contribute to it.
So what I'm really saying is that if people can just take responsibility and start looking within and changing the dynamics of their inner life, they can begin to have a very positive effect on the world and help change everything for everyone.
And if enough of us can do that, we begin to develop a collective energy that can't be stopped.
And we can help to stem the tide of what's going on in the world today.
And I think everywhere in the world is a human cry for change, for help, for peace, for progress, for something good to happen.
No, no, but you're suggesting the cycles are absolute.
and if that is true no matter how we try things are going to get worse before they get better and how do we Yes, absolutely, because a cycle creates a certain energy, a certain dynamic gets created, but that doesn't mean it can't be altered by our action.
we are not hopeless in this stuff we have power to change anything that happens if we Yes, but planetary positions, all they do is create a certain tendency.
The tendency can be changed, it can be altered, it may even be able to be overcome.
But even if we're in a negative cycle, if we begin to act in a very positive way, then we shorten the length of a negative cycle and we lessen the degree of its power over us.
And let's say if we didn't take action against Hitler, if we didn't take positive and effective action against Hitler, if we threw over and gave up and let him take over the world, the world would have become a very, very different place.
Alan Mesher is here as my guest, and he'll be right back.
A Coast to Coast AM factoid from Ron in Memphis, Art, says Ron.
On the news tonight, they reported the demand for fallout shelters has not been this great since the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1961.
An order now will begin in six months.
And these are not cheap shelters.
They hold 10 people, enough food for 60 days, will withstand nuclear-plus biological attacks, cost $45,000, and the demand has not been higher since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
isn't that an interesting factoid Once again, Alan Mesher.
Alan, you heard my little factoid, I think, from Ron in Memphis that, you know, there has never been a bigger demand for fallout shelters since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
And this is supposed to be peace in our time.
Berlin Wall down, communism down, and people are buying shelters.
But you know, what's also interesting, your last comment before we went to break, we were talking about World War II, and you mentioned it sure killed a lot of people.
A woman came in to see me with a beginning of cervical cancer some years ago when I was in Texas.
And she said, you know, I know you can heal me.
And I said, well, you know, I can't promise you anything.
We'll do the best we can.
She got on the table and I started letting my healing energy go into her.
And it got very fiery, very red, very hot, very fast.
She was burning up.
But as she was burning up, her face got ashen gray and bluish and she started chattering.
Her jaws were chattering.
Her eyes were closed.
Her head was rolling from side to side and she kept screaming, I can't see, I can't see, I can't see.
And I said to her, you take a deep breath and you let your mind come down to the base of your spine where we're working and ask your mind to show you what is ever contained here.
What are you holding onto here?
What's going on?
Now what happens, this is a little aside here, I'm going to break from the story briefly, but what happens in terms of traumatic experiences that we have experienced and undergone and have not yet dealt with, they're not just stored as memories up in the mind.
They're really located and deposited all over the body.
They're energy formations that we haven't dealt with, that we push down and aside.
And sometimes some of these energy locations in the body really are the result of other lives and other experiences.
So Schiswoman is lying on the table, and all of a sudden she starts screaming in German.
And what's coming out of me in terms of the energy now changes.
It's no longer a bright red fire.
It's this beautiful golden energy.
And all of a sudden, this woman tells me later that she's not in her body.
She's floating above her body in the golden light, feeling more peaceful and more complete than she has ever felt at any time that she has ever been aware of.
She comes back into her body and we have a conversation.
I said, what was that you experienced?
And she said, I was back in Germany.
It was my last lifetime.
I was married to a German General.
And I used my position as a general's wife to take Jews and get them out of the country.
And when the war was over, and he came home and he told me how much he hated killing all the people, I told him about what I had done because I felt guilty about it.
And then what he did is he attacked me.
And he raped me and he ripped up my eyes and he left me to die.
And in the beginning, that's what she was seeing, you see, when she couldn't open her eyes and she was screaming, I can't see, she was reliving that whole trauma.
All right, well, I don't know if I want to try to explain it a different way, Alan.
What I would like to do, though, is talk a little bit about the nature of reincarnation.
Now, everybody I've ever talked to with regard to reincarnation suggests that from lifetime to lifetime, we grow, and we must work off the karma, the bad karma, from whatever occurred in our previous lifetime, right?
What happens is whatever we undergo, whatever we experience in a lifetime, good or bad, whether we've done good or whether we've done bad, and if there's trauma connected to it, and we don't have the opportunity in that lifetime to just discharge the trauma and get it out of our body and out of our soul, that energy, when we pass on, when we leave the physical body, it becomes part of the matrix of the soul.
And when we come back and incarnate, that energy comes back and incarnates with us.
And we are faced with having to clear it again.
So that's why that occurs.
It has nothing to do with why should she suffer because she did good.
That's not the question that the reincarnation drama is about.
It's about here's some energy that you didn't clear last time.
You're going to have to face it and deal with it and clear it this time because it's holding you back.
Anytime that the negative is held inside our system and we're not able to heal it and reintegrate that energy and power into ourselves, we're going to have to be faced with the dilemma and problem of doing it again.
The problem that I have with that, Alan, is that it doesn't mean there's always forward motion with reincarnation.
In other words, unless somebody ran into Alan Mesher or the likes thereof and managed to work off this thing that otherwise is not conscious at all, then you're regressing.
On some level, it may have, but on the level where she had to work through that situation, it had to be completed.
Let's look at the situation, and let's say, taking this case, that let's consider it like a matrix or a circle.
Part of it was she earned some really good points because she did something selfless and noble and true and good.
That's important.
But the other side of the coin was trauma.
So in order to really be able to realize what you've achieved from doing what you did that was good, you've also got to face that negative and you've got to release the trauma and convert that energy into positive within yourself.
If our Creator intended for us to understand and participate in the process of reincarnation so we could grow, then why is it not a readily apparent thing to all of us on the planet, that is to say, how we are being affected in this life by our past life or past lives?
If it was intended to be sort of an ongoing evolution of the human spirit, would we not have consciousness of the last life?
That's buried in the subconscious and only comes to light when people become ready to deal with it.
It's not going to come up to be ready to be dealt with until you're really ready to deal with something.
Let me give you another example that's fairly similar to the one I just gave you.
In a workshop some time ago in Illinois, this fella came in that had had testicular cancer.
And unfortunately, a few years before this workshop, he had had a testicle removed and part of the lymph nodes in his groin.
And he got on this table and we started putting that healing energy into him.
And what's interesting is when that power comes into you, what is buried in your unconscious that has been latent and you have not been able to be aware of, it comes up.
You become aware of it.
So he's laying on the table, the energy goes into him, and all of a sudden he has shifted a level.
And now he's reliving an experience from the Middle Ages during the time of the Inquisition.
And he's a priest, and he's being tortured, and he's being racked.
And finally, they castrate him, and he dies in a pool of his own blood, swearing eternal revenge on the people that perpetrated this event on him.
Well, sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't.
People are human.
So he had this experience, you know.
And now, what's happened?
500 years later, he has a cancer in exactly the same place.
And now he makes a connection between what happened then And what happened that caused his cancer now?
He had gone out with tremendous rage and anger.
And that rage and anger was still sitting in his body 500 years later, causing this problem to occur.
He hadn't been ready to face it until now.
It came up.
Now he could address it and release it.
He had the cancer.
He had suffered the physical loss.
But at least he faced the issue and got rid of the energy and processed it out of his system.
He was so excited about what happened, he called his wife and said, you've got to get here.
Come to this workshop.
This woman was a beautiful lady, but she was 30 or 40 pounds overweight.
She got on the table in the afternoon.
The energy went into her, and all of a sudden she finds herself back in a little village in the Andes.
She's an Indian.
And there's not enough food.
And she's starving as a child, and she dies of starvation very young in that life.
And in this lifetime, she always feels hungry, and she always has to eat.
So she saw that, she released the emotion that attached to it, and all of a sudden her eating became normal, and within two months she had dropped that 30 pounds.
So there's another indication of how the trauma from one lifetime can affect us now.
And if we can go back and release the trauma, then we are released in this lifetime to move forward.
It's very, very critical.
That's one of the ways in which reincarnation does work.
You see, the traumas that we carry in the body are like an anchor that holds us to the past.
And until we can pull up that anger, we are not really free to move forward on the sea of life.
If what you're saying is accurate, then the present, what we call Generation X, is what?
They are the product of those who fought in either the First or, more likely, Second World War.
Wouldn't that be true?
Sure.
So if they are the reincarnated souls of those millions who died traumatically, then that might well explain why we're going through the social hell we seem to be having on the planet right now.
Now, let me tell you, I had a client in Delaware who was in our generation.
And he came in, and I looked at him, we chatted for a minute, and I said to him, you know, you have a lot of power, but you're really afraid of your power, aren't you?
And he said, yes, I am.
And I said, you feel like you didn't belong in your family, like you're something very different, and you have no real connection to the people that are your blood family in this lifetime.
And he said, that's true.
Got him on the table, put in the energy, and he slipped the level.
And he found himself back again, World War II.
This guy found himself as an officer, an SS officer in a Nazi concentration camp.
He was responsible for killing lots of people.
And what he also experienced as we cleaned and went into this lifetime, that he was hung as the war criminal for his actions.
Now, in this lifetime, he has a huge job with one of the major industrial corporations in America.
He runs a whole division for them.
He has thousands of people answering to him.
And yet he feels very insecure in his own power.
So he went through all that experience.
He released tremendous guilt and tremendous shame and tremendous pain on that table.
But now he's ready to move forward, you see.
So in a sense, what you can also surmise from that is there must be a great and universal power of forgiveness that will forgive people for what they have done when they're ready to seek forgiveness and have forgiveness in their lives.
Because this was basically a good man in his lifetime.
Not the last one.
But this time, I think he has learned something from what he did, and he's a much better human being.
In other words, I said, how do you know you couldn't?
There are others who heal on the other side of the world who never heard of Jesus or if they did only in passing, and yet they claim miraculous healings of the sorts that you're talking about now.
Well, all that matters, they can call it whatever you want.
I'm not comfortable with saying God.
I would say the oneness.
That to me is a term I'm more comfortable with, just a higher level of unity.
But people who have great purity, who have an open heart, who have tremendous compassion, and have the opening for that power to flow through them, have access to that gift.
So it's not limited to one person.
It's not limited to ten people.
It's open to anyone who has the qualifications.
And that is openness, compassion, unconditional love, and a sufficient evolution to allow that gift to flow through them.
Because it is a gift.
I spent 25 years honing that gift.
And I can assure you that what I can do now is far, far different from what I could do 25 years ago.
When I got out of college, I moved to a little town in New Hampshire, thinking I would stay there for a year, make up my mind if I was going to go on to law school or get a Ph.D. and become a professor and pursue a rather conventional life.
Because that's all I saw at that time in my life, you know.
And while I was in this area, I kept hearing these reports and stories about this woman named Eleanor Moore and this unbelievable gift she had and how she had changed the lives of so many people in that area and had this enormous intuitive or psychic gift that could read people up and down and, you know, very accurately and very minutely and very detailed.
And I was dying to meet her.
And it took a long time for me to get to her, but finally, one night a friend of mine said, I'm going over there to see Eleanor.
Do you want to come?
I said, let's go.
We got in the car, we went over there.
I ran to the front door, and the smallish woman with these big, brown, cold, bright eyes came to the door.
She was very, very warm.
She took my hand in hers and said, please come in.
We went in.
There was a lot of people in her living room.
And she said to my friend, play some music for these people.
I'm taking this young man into my study for a few minutes.
His son-in-law was there who was a born-again Christian.
And he, a Bible Belt sort of fellow, nice guy, but different sort of belief system than mine.
And he confronted me and said, do you take Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal Savior?
And I said, I dearly love Jesus Christ, but I don't believe in the same way you do.
He said, well, you can't go in there.
And I said, well, do you want your father-in-law to live?
Or do you want to let him die?
He said, I want to let him live.
And I said, you have to let me in.
He said, not until you say that Jesus Christ is your personal Lord and Savior.
And I just looked at him and just stared him down and said, I'm going in.
You do what you have to do.
And he backed down, and I went in and did what I had to do.
And we were able to keep the gentleman in question alive for a while longer, and he was recuperating, but then he did have relapse a couple of months later.
But the point is, you know, sometimes you just have to stand up, move forward, and go on.
Well, Qi is like the Chinese term for universal energy.
So in a sense, it is, but it's different gradations.
I've done this work for 25 years, and I can call on a whole wide spectrum of energy will come through me.
And what comes to me is what that person I'm working on needs.
And if I'm working on someone else 10 minutes later, that energy is going to be a bit different because it's going to match what that person needs.
And because I've worked on so many different kinds of problems and so many different kinds of people, I have at my disposal a very, very wide range of the energy.
It's not just one thing.
It's many, many, many things.
But yet that many, many, many things comes from one source.
Alan, one last question, and then I'll go right back to the phones, and that is this.
If one mind, like yours, is capable of external influence, which is what we've been discussing tonight with regard to healing, then would it be true or not that hundreds or thousands or even millions of minds would be capable of all greater things?
If millions of people were praying for the same thing at the same moment, a tremendous thing would take place in the world.
So that's why I'm saying we are in a dark period, Art.
There's no doubt about it.
But we are not bound by that dark period.
We are not at its mercy.
We have power to use this dark period to change the world and prepare it to become a much more positive place.
And the one thing I do want to say about that is I have never seen a time as rich as this one is for people to heal their individual lives.
I find that when I go to work on people now, their buried material is so much more readily available.
It's mobilized.
It's ready to move where 10, 15 years ago, that wasn't the case.
Whatever is going on in this planet now with the shift in energy that we are in the middle of, that energy is also beginning to push people's dark side up to the surface so they can face it and heal it.
I want people to heal it.
I don't want them to act reactively, defensively, and act it out and do crazy things to themselves, to others, and hurt this world more.
I want people to become responsible, feel it, confront it, and get it out of their system so that they can go forward, not backwards.
I feel that we are accelerating at an ever-increasing pace toward this change.
And I think, Alan, that it's not going to be the end of the world.
I'm not saying that at all, and people, you know, pick up and think that's what I'm saying.
I'm not.
All I'm saying is, and this is my old favorite analogy, you know, the old John Wayne movie that nobody can get their hands on, which, by the way, I haven't had a copy of, called High and Mighty.
You get halfway, in the old days of piston engine aircraft, you get halfway across the Pacific Ocean toward Japan, and a little red light comes on and says, point of no return.
Now, all that means is you've now used up over half of your gasoline, your fuel.
And you have two choices.
You will either go to Japan or you'll go into the water, but you ain't going back to San Francisco.
Because that's just a physical fact.
And I think that humanity's little red light came on some time ago, Alan.
First, before I ask my question, I just wanted to congratulate Alan Messer on a wonderful job he's doing on a very difficult subject.
Thank you.
And it's of extreme interest to me.
Earlier in the program, when you were addressing placebos, at one point, Alan began to explain how he basically linked in with the person that he was healing at the time, and that he was beginning to describe an active process that he enjoined with the individual.
And Art, at that point, you took the questioning back to the dog with the throat problem.
And I was very curious as to hearing Alan's response to the remainder of what he was talking about that he uses to solicit an active participation with the subject, patient, individual involved.
As I mentioned earlier, when I work with somebody, either long distance or in person, either on the phone or on my table in my office, I always start one hand under the base of the spine, the other under the base of the skull.
That allows me to put energy into the nervous system, into your nervous system, shall we say, and get you very relaxed and very balanced and release all your stress.
The next step is, as that process is going on, and I'm putting the energy into you and you're getting relaxed, I'm also scanning you.
I'm seeing where in your body your blocks are.
And I'm also looking to see why they're there.
What has caused them to be there?
What events have caused this stuff to be there?
And then let's say that I found a place down at the base of your spine.
And in that space is a lot of old anger, residual anger that's been sitting there all your lifetime because your father was very strong and strident and maybe hit you a lot and didn't give you any emotional support and you have a lot of rage bottled up inside you that you've never ever been able to release because if you had done so when you were a child, that father would have come down your throat, attacked you, and your life may have been threatened or you would have felt that way as a child.
So now it's coming up and we've got to deal with it.
So what happens is I'll put one hand right where I see that energy under your spine.
I'll take my other hand and put it over on your abdomen above it and I'll start pouring the energy in there.
And then I'm going to say to you, Eugene, imagine there's an elevator up in your head.
And imagine a door opens and you enter it.
And imagine that you push the button for down and you begin to descend.
That elevator begins to move down from your head, down through your neck, along your spinal column, down into your chest, moving down along your spinal column, down and down and down.
And we take you down right to that place at the bottom of the spine where all that blocked energy is.
And the elevator door opens and you come out and I say to you, Eugene, tell me how it feels in this part of your body.
Does it feel light and free?
Does it feel balanced and clear?
Or does it feel heavy, congested, dark, scary, angry, tight, numb?
How does it feel to you?
And you'll say to me something, well, it feels a little congested and dark and scary.
And I said, good.
Now you just begin to make a sound as if it's coming right out of that place.
And I'll get you making just some silly sound like, ah, ooh, or whatever, because that's priming the pump.
And after you've said that a few times, if I've done my job right and you're in tune with what's going on in your body and in your soul, that energy is going to start moving up.
And the shells that it is encased in begin to break off.
And the pure energy begins to move.
And the emotion that that energy is begins to move up.
And all of a sudden, all this anger will come out of you.
And you might find yourself screaming, and your legs kicking, and your hands punching, and getting very red, and just going through a lot of anger for a few minutes.
And then all of a sudden, that might shift.
And after the wave of the anger has dissipated, there may be a few waves that will come up.
And in between the waves of anger, there might be another wave of grief coming out of your heart because there's a lot of heartbreak because you feel also that your dad didn't love you, that he abandoned you emotionally.
And all of that's going to come up.
And that's what I'm looking for.
I want to get rid of the anger so that we can go to the other side of it, which is the heartbreak and the grief and the sorrow.
Because if we can move that out, if those tears can come out of you, then we can completely release and discharge that energy.
That's where we want to get to.
We want to get to the place where you feel vulnerable and frightened and alone and scared And let all that out and let all that heartbreak come out of you because I want to tell all of you listening: this is the planet of the broken heart.
And virtually everyone I've ever worked on at one level or another has heartbreak inside them.
And we're all here to heal that heartbreak so that we can have a whole heart and be a whole person and know who we are because identity and self-knowledge depends on having a whole heart.
And if we can make everyone having a whole heart and be balanced emotionally, it's going to be a safer, kinder, gentler, and much more peaceful world.
I have some professional instruments that I observe, the mirrors and the searchlights, I have, and I observe them myself.
But I was told by one of the psychic healers that it might take a year for this little thing to heal.
But I kind of have a lot of confidence in Alan, so that's why I wanted to get in touch with him.
Also, I have to say another thing.
I've always had something, I've studied a scene metaphysics in California, and I've studied with the White Brotherhood in Pasadena monthly for over 25 years.
I have something of a personal nature that I'd like to talk to you about, but not on the line.
I'm just going to give you another story because it pertains to a similar sort of problem.
A lady came to me many years ago from Seattle, and she was having nose bleach every night.
She'd wake up in the morning, and her mouth would be filled with blood.
Yeah, it was going on for a long time, and she had tried all sorts of different approaches to fixing it, and nothing worked.
So she came down to Austin, Texas, where I was living at the time.
I was doing a group that night, and instead of touching anyone, I was just putting the energy out to the whole group.
And what happened to this woman was that energy went inside her, and all of a sudden, all you could smell in that room was burning flesh.
It was like something was coming out of her.
It was burning flesh, and she found herself back again in World War II being incinerated in the concentration camps.
She went through this past life thing.
And what was interesting after that is that from that night on, the whole problem stopped.
The bleeding stopped.
So you never know how this healing may affect this gentleman, but I think it's sort of similar in the sense that something's going on that can't be stopped all this draining.
But if we put the energy in there, it might help heal it.
It might help change it, and some other experiences might come up that are buried behind.
Then you are the victim most times of trauma in a former life.
And if God, our Maker, had intended for us to continue to evolve and to improve as human beings, there would have been some natural mechanism by which we could deal with these former traumas and progress as a natural course of things.
But instead, we have to go to an Alan Mesher or somebody like him.
We have been, but, you know, one of the nice things about the big change that you're speaking about coming is that all of these things are now coming to the forefront, and it's time.
They're desperately needed.
And that's another reason why I'm going to start training as many people as I can who are willing to do this training.
Yeah, you know, I've been doing on my own since I was a kid.
I had to learn how to do self-meditation.
I didn't know that's what it was to get rid of migraines as a child.
But so what you were just talking about is, unfortunately, in Western culture and religions, meditation is just now in some little corners starting to be used and being able to sit still and look into yourself.
There, I think, are a lot of people who do begin to learn how to heal themselves, whether it's through that way or just through whatever system the path they follow to find success and peace of mind for the most part.
So I don't know that it's all people who need it, but quite a few do.
I know that when I was doing healing myself, which now this is kind of inspiring to get back to it again, in the group I was working with down here, there was a tremendous reluctance to trust anybody who charged money for doing it because they considered it a gift,
which I would consider, to my mind, art, you have a gift, but you're able to be paid for it as anybody else who has a gift or a calling or who is driven to do something.
And yet, for some reason, in some areas, there seems to be a great reluctance to want to trust anybody who charges for doing healing and meditation work.
I thought I'd like to get Alan's take on that for a minute and then how he's overcome some of that because I know that's pretty strong.
It's been the path less traveled, so to speak, that I've been going down for 25 years rather than going a conventional route.
And to put bread on the table and take care of my child and live a life you have to charge.
I don't charge the gift.
I charge my time.
I charge what I feel my time is worth and then what my knowledge is worth.
Because 25 years of experience in this kind of field, you gain a tremendous amount of knowledge that very few people have.
And thirdly, it can be very draining at times.
It can take a lot out of you.
So all of these things factor in and you come up with a price or a rate that you feel is appropriate, that you feel you're worth because you deliver certain kinds of results fairly consistently.
So I have no problem with that.
And if other people have a problem with that, then I would say to them, go find somebody else.
I'm not your guy.
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I had one first, I thought this was kind of, at one time, I helped a lady who had never been able to meditate.
And we were in a large group.
And after this group was over, she said, I just can't.
I was just a member of the group.
And we talked, and she said, I've never been able to meditate.
I can't.
I don't understand what this is.
All I see is black when everybody closes their eyes.
She says, I don't see anything.
I don't go anywhere.
And everybody's talking about their stuff.
And I worked with her for a while.
We did about a half-hour, 45-minute session, and I guided her through, and I was telling her what I was seeing and see if she was seeing it.
She didn't say a word.
At the end of it, she got up.
When I brought her back out of it, she got up.
She just looked at me, almost scared, walked out of the room.
Never have seen her again or talked to her.
I heard she moved to another state, got married, very happy, started her own business, and became successful.
People have to be able to come to their own conclusions at their own time.
Don't be attached to the results.
That's one of the harder lessons.
When I was first starting out, this is a long, long time ago, my girlfriend and I went to England.
And we stayed with some people.
And the people had a little girl who was supposed to go on a big class trip.
She had been saving money all year to go on this class trip, and she got really sick and couldn't go.
And they asked me, they said, please, please, can you heal Johanna?
And I said, well, today I'm really exhausted.
We're going to Bath, England, but when we get there tonight, I'm going to send the girl the healing energy, and hopefully she'll be better tomorrow.
So that night I went into, we were in this little restaurant, and I could feel the power coming into me, and I just held her in my mind, and I could see this brilliant pink light shooting out of my forehead going to the girl, and I could see a picture in my mind's eye.
And all of a sudden, in my mind's eye, I heard her sit up and say, that's enough, that's enough, stop it.
And at that time, I stopped sending the energy.
We called back to London the next day.
The girl was fine.
They took her down to meet her classmates later that day.
She had a good trip.
We never heard anything more about it, at least I didn't.
But my girlfriend stayed with these people for another week.
And one day when she was studying, she overheard the mother talking to her neighbor.
And she heard the mother say to the neighbor, the strangest thing happened the other night.
Johanna sat up in the middle of the night and said, I'm burning up, I'm burning up.
Stop it, stop it.
That's enough.
And then she went back to sleep, and the next day she was fine.
You see, it was a similar thing.
She was so freaked out by that, she would never tell me.
But she told the neighbor, and that's fine, as long as the girl was helped.
That's the important thing.
You help that woman.
That's the important thing.
So you never see her again, they never contact you again, you'll let it go.
That's the way it is.
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And one of the healing energies that I experienced a lot that I just really enjoyed, the facet of healing, was when I look at somebody, whether it's close by or distant, is actually seeing all of the lines of energy form.
I see their body, but then I see all the energy lines form, and then either the red spots or the dark spots or whatever, where different types of problems might be formed.
And in retrospect, I'm glad you asked me because there was a person standing there next to me and he said something to her I couldn't understand and she said I asked her what he said and she said there that's the white one and apparently I ended up marrying her and then but apparently you ended up marrying her yeah well right
right now i'm going through a divorce okay so i don't know what that means but who means you had trouble in your marriage well i think it may be that was what he was suggesting about uh...
i don't know i'm just back when i'm still tennis uh...
gather to this day let me finish my story around this what i was a real plane jack blackjack at a casino and uh...
the dealers that when you go back to uh...
wherever you know where i'm from be sure that you go to the doctor because you have uh...
something's wrong with your heart you have a heart problem that i might in really take it seriously but i will you know really kind of i'm a little superstitious so i went to the doctor and turn out high blood pressure and then just recently uh...
i will listen we're gonna have to hold it right there with the stories but that's a good one alan are there people like that doing jobs for example dealing blackjack or whatever you know pumping gas at a gas station who have this who have this so that's the loop of this this this uh...
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seeing ability that we're talking about they have a certain kind of perception sure and dispense it in the way he just talked about of course how interesting caught by an angel you know you know that they should have a good first time caller line you're on the air with alan mesher hi yes hello good morning good morning i have a couple of questions for alan i don't know if they're related or not when i first started listening tonight he was talking about reincarnation yes well i'm forty one
now and as long as i can remember i have been uh...
scared to death of flying well when i was nineteen years old i had this dream that i was a man and it was real specific um...
when i was growing up as a young child i always felt like i should have been a male but in that dream i dreamt that i was in a little red airplane flying from petersburg to wrangle in the year 1939 and we crashed and i died right well i woke up and i spoke to my mother after that and she said that i had flipped out the first time i'd ever gotten on a plane when i was two years old so i'm just wondering you know about reincarnation also i came from a very alcoholic home very
uh...
very abusive a lot a lot of sexual abuse with on numerous perpetrators consequently i have a real hard time with trust and i'm just wondering if those two things are related um...
i had read a numerology book one time and the one thing i do remember about that book was that we choose our we choose our own parents and so just listening to him tonight i was wondering about this trust issue if it had anything to do with the dream about the airplane and the type of home i grew up in that's a really good question and it's really hard to ascertain that without working on you for a session or two but what i would say off the top of my head is that there may be a relationship but
i don't really think that there is i think that the uh...
the flying experience was to me as you dreamed it out of your your symptoms when you're two years old the way you reacted going on a plane it indicates that something like that certainly happened in the the specific well the way that the dream was so specific indicates to me that's probably exactly what happened to you but that necessarily wouldn't translate into into an issue of trust and being born into a alcoholic family where there was lots of sexual abuse i think those are two very separate issues honestly i was going on to ask her if
you do choose your parents why do you choose those yeah well some people get it screwed up you know or they may she may have karma from other lifetimes of those people i see this all the time you know you wonder why you get caught up in these situations and it can very well be like something like that happened to you to you before in the past very similar and you get recreated into a situation that is the same or reflects it or is with the same people gotcha and the reason you do it is because you've got to become aware of it stand up move away from it and heal yourself of it all right well it
has been dynamite having you on the air alan thank you so very much and and good night my friend good night my friend and thank you art it's been a pleasure in my end as well we'll do it again take care that's alan mesher i'm art bell open lines directly ahead so touch not that dial you're listening to art bell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of coast to coast am from june 8th 1999
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is you
you could read my mind, love what a tale my thoughts could tell.
Just like an old-time movie about a ghost from wishing well in a castle dark or a fortress strong with chains upon my feet.
You know how ghost is me.
And I will never be set free as long as I'm a ghost you can see.
If I could read your mind, love what a tale your thoughts could tell, just like a paperback, the guy who drugs yourself.
When you reach the part where the heartaches come, the hero would be hero of the thing.
You won't read that book again Because the ending's just too hard to take I walk away like a movie star.
Premier Radio Networks presents Art Bell somewhere in time.
Tonight's program originally aired June 8th, 1999.
The weather is undergoing a change, permanent, temporary, whatever.
I don't know.
But it's changed.
I shouldn't say undergoing a change.
I think it is still changing rapidly, but it has already changed.
It's been an amazing year, and as somebody once said recently, all bets are off in 99.
That's Ed.
Ed Dames.
By the way, while we're on the subject of Ed Dames, we'll touch on remote viewing here in a moment.
There was a shot from the sun the other day that had it come toward the Earth.
Well, let me put it this way.
The scientists were calling it, I forget what the exact word was, a planet killer or something like that.
I'd have to look it up.
I've got it here somewhere.
A serious shot from the sun.
Echoes of Ed Dames, huh?
Okay, we have got nothing but an hour of open lines ahead.
One little item from a concerned Canook.
Dear Art, here's one more for the weird weather book.
Today, June 8th, now yesterday, in White Rock, Vancouver, B.C., a freak storm rolled through the area at about 9 in the morning, dumping 64 millimeters of rain and hail in under four hours.
Also, with this storm was a water spout.
Now, I'm not saying this never happens in this area, but it is very extreme for this part of the globe.
Needless to say, the flooding was very, very bad.
If you have the time, check the newswire.
I'm sure they've mentioned this.
The weather is, in fact, changing.
And, you know, again, human beings, of course, have a very short lifespan.
So we don't perceive changes easily.
And when we do, that means there really is a rapid change going on.
I wonder if you have any argument for that point.
Open lines, anything you want to talk about, Fairgame?
And he had mentioned something about, you know, not being positive or being negative.
Yeah.
Well, I think he's positive.
It just may be in a different way that maybe everybody don't see.
You know, he had mentioned before that, you know, you have to let it go and you don't know what happened to the person.
You may not know whatever happens to them.
Well, in another sense, you know, not every person wants, they're content with what they, you know, with maybe what they're dealing with or they're ready to, you know, they've already let go of everything.
And now that, you know, he, you know, they come to him, they say, you know, they want to be healed.
Well, maybe they're already content.
It's not really a healing he needs to do.
It's just, what do you call it, a closing for him?
Now, I can't tell you where the power comes from, whether it actually is a power emanating from somebody like Alan Mesher, and he says it is, or whether it is a placebo effect, or whether it's something from inside, it's sort of the reverse voodoo, if you will.
It is that voodoo can only affect you in a negative way if you believe that it can.
And so if that is true, then the opposite would be true as well, would it not?
That beneficial effects can occur to you if you believe that they will.
By the way, do you remember we were talking about bugs last week?
Flies?
Anybody out there remember that one?
I've got a couple of faxes here.
Hayar, in June of 1988, I was at a graduation party in Erie, Pennsylvania.
The wind, it was getting chilly.
So we moved the party into my friend's garage.
There were fluorescent lights, and the doors were wide open.
We were being swamped by mosquitoes and moths.
My friend, half-jokingly, told me to use my powers to get rid of the bugs.
I was the one in the group that was a little psychic.
So I said, okay, I'll give it a try.
I made up some bullpucky ritual right there on the spot.
I told everyone to concentrate on my hands that I had in some goofy shape.
Well, would you believe all the bugs fell to the floor?
I didn't believe it either, but I've got witnesses, Art, and I swear every now and then I ask them if it really happened, and they assure me it did.
And then there's this, Art, your comment before the 11 o'clock break about a fly that wouldn't die.
Remember that fly that wouldn't die?
Reminded me of a very bizarre and scary moment that I had in San Diego about 10 years ago.
I was in my apartment bathroom one day when a particularly huge fly began buzzing about me, as if he or she, one couldn't tell, had something to tell me.
I immediately thought, what would I do if I heard a tiny, shrill voice saying, help me, help me?
Rain Land in the original horror sci-fi movie The Fly, or was it Vincent Price?
Well, anyway, that did it.
I shut the bathroom door, grabbed a cowl, and snapped at the poor devil, knocking him or her out of the air and into the open toilet bowl, where it floated on its back for a long time.
No doubt having a bug NDE.
As I resumed shaving, I kept looking down at the poor dead fly floating on its back, little legs in the air, thinking that I have just committed murder.
And no doubt was about to engage a burial at sea.
Anyway, suddenly, as the razor neared my throat, the fly defied all principles of known physics and literally leapt off its back out of the water straight toward my face.
It did not fly, it leapt.
Needless to say, this nearly scared me to death.
Later, I thought an act of genius by the fly, a final act of revenge, which had it worked, would have had me slitting my own throat by being so startled by the attempt, or perhaps just dying from an outright heart attack.
Meditation and virtual reality, the combination of the two.
And all I'm saying is because the applications of virtual reality, if you set up a program, say perhaps a person might have a problem with perhaps liver cancer or liver disease.
If you set up a program so that the person can go into an environment to look within a virtual reality.
For some time, I've actually had the idea about what you're talking about, the power of prayer and consciousness on, you know, if you get enough people together to think about something, it's possible.
And I totally believe that.
I believe that for a very long time.
And virtual reality, this whole aspect came to me for some time with this virtuality idea of taking the application to virtuality and making programs.
Like the software is out there, but it's expensive to make and produce.
They're using it for brain surgery and some other medical applications.
But through meditation, what it does, I think, is the possibilities of enhancing the mind and actually taking a person to look within themselves, to look at their own selves, to look how they work when they're supposed to work and how they're not supposed to work.
Either you were honestly healed by some external force, or your own mind, despite your conscious thoughts, your unconscious, embraced what he was saying, and you were, in effect, hypnotized, and that is a form of treatment.
I don't know what happened to you.
I just, I don't know.
I know that this healing thing works.
I don't know what it is, though.
Do you, really?
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All I know is I didn't think it was going to work.
So it wasn't implanted in my mind where it's like, yes, you will get healed if I say you will.
And I think that you have to believe it either consciously or subconsciously or both.
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Right.
And one of the things he said about healing, it was he sounds so wonderful.
He just sounds so wonderful.
And I wrote everything down.
I've tried to keep up with everything anyway.
And to me, it seems like as much as he's got, as much as the faith that he's got to heal, and like he said, he was given the healing through a higher power.
And it's a major gift.
And he was talking about different ones being caught.
Those of you who join at this hour, anything is possible tonight, anything at all.
Who knows?
but then again that's kind of the way i like it the Well, a listener in Nashville sent me his credit card bill.
And this credit card bill is kind of interesting.
It's normal in every respect, except at the very bottom.
And you know what it says at the very bottom?
It says there will be a Y2K charge of $25 on your next statement.
Have any of the rest of you received this?
I've got the bill in my hand right here.
There will be a Y2K charge of $25 on your next statement.
Now, how in God's name, maybe we ought to leave him out of this.
How the hell can any company charge you for their Y2K fix?
How can they do that?
And why should you pay it?
They're out of their minds.
Anyway, I've got it.
It's real.
It's here.
And while we're on the subject very briefly of Y2K, as you know, I have interviewed Ed Yorden on this show.
Ed Yorden is dropping out.
Ed Yorden says, no more, no more Y2K.
Ed Yorden says, and I quote, the time has come for me to say goodbye to Y2K.
I am removing the Y2K articles, links, and resources from my website and dropping off the Y2K radar screen.
Y2K has been a part of my life since 1995 and has occupied nearly every waking moment since the summer of 97.
And while it will continue to have a significant impact on my personal and family life, I no longer plan to play a public role.
I realize this may raise some questions and perhaps cause some commentary and debate.
And I've attempted to answer the more obvious questions below.
Why?
Why now?
No, I have not been abducted by aliens, haven't been kidnapped by the CIA or the mysterious people in black helicopters.
I've not been threatened by the FBI, haven't been bribed by banks or the government or anyone else.
There's nothing deep, dark, or mysterious about my decision.
I simply feel that I've done everything I can to raise the alarm about Y2K.
I've co-authored two books, written dozens of articles and essays, spoken at hundreds of seminars, conferences, meetings, and gatherings.
And I could continue doing the same thing over and over again, but I'd be repeating myself.
More important, I'd be preaching to the choir.
Those whose opinion and outlook on Y2K are compatible with mine would nod their head in agreement, and those whose opinion and outlook are incompatible with mine would shake their head in disbelief, just as they have for four years.
Yes, there are still some people who are undecided, and who continue to listen to both the optimists and pessimists before making up their own mind.
But I think that a more accurate term for undecided is indifferent.
I.e., there are many people who still don't care or don't think the topic worthy of serious attention and who may not focus on Y2K until this fall, quite possibly not until midnight on New Year's Eve.
Well, meanwhile, I sense a hardening of positions.
Those who are pessimistic about the outcome are even more convinced than they were a year ago.
Those who are optimistic are even more convinced, especially because they see a steady stream of upbeat press releases and government status reports.
There is more than just hardening of positions, though.
I sense an increasing degree of confrontation and hostility between the two camps.
And I expect this to continue for the remainder of the year.
And I don't think it's a productive use of my time, or for that matter anyone else's, to continue attempting to respond to messages and commentary whose purpose often seems to be to ignore the message.
Shoot the messenger.
So I respect Ed Yorden's decision, and I suspect he's absolutely right.
It's either too late now to change minds and to have any effect, or the job has already been done.
So, in a way, I join with Ed Yorden.
You know, we're at about that juncture point now where those who believe that something will occur have done something, those who don't have not.
And not many minds are going to be changed from here through the end of the year.
Yes, a little bit before that and after that, it's like I've been going into stores or been somewhere and I pick up these emotions that other people, if they're strong emotions, I can pick them up.
But he's got two books, one that just came out about Bigfoot, and one that's cryptozoology A to Z. Plus, he's next month going on a two-man sub-expedition to Lagnet.
Well, even the devil can use scriptures for his own end, yes.
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At any rate, I had thought afterwards at the end of the program that she must be a very unhappy woman indeed, if indeed she did go around the states and sowing lust and disappearance.
Well, actually, she was quite happy doing what she does.
And the one thing that did chill me that you may recall that she said, if you heard enough of the program, was that she made sure that her son was going to follow her to hell, her innocent son.