Linda Moulton Howe explores crop circles—like the June 7th Hooven, Holland sighting where Robert witnessed a glowing plasma vortex emitting electrical discharges before forming two massive formations—and chemtrails, citing DARPA-funded nanobomb research by Dr. James Baker targeting anthrax and smallpox, alongside eyewitness reports of oily debris with 48-hour biohazard effects. A Bigelow Foundation survey reveals 80% of influential Americans expect government suppression of extraterrestrial evidence, mirroring 1963 Brookings report secrecy. Howe links atmospheric anomalies to potential genetic or spiritual motives by non-human intelligences, while Art Bell questions military control and transparency. Ultimately, the episode suggests hidden agendas—whether bioterrorism, climate manipulation, or cosmic influence—may be reshaping reality without public awareness. [Automatically generated summary]
And it was early Monday morning, June 7th at about 12.15 a.m.
This is the first formation reported in Holland this year so far.
A 19-year-old named Robert woke up and looked out his bedroom window.
And what happened next was phoned to me by Nancy Talbot, director of the BLT Crop Circle Research Team in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
Nancy has worked with biophysicist W.C. Levengood in Michigan for the past several years to analyze plants from formations in Europe, Israel, Australia, Canada, and the U.S. Levengood hypothesizes that plants in some sampled formations are affected by a spinning plasma vortex that contains microwave energies.
The microwaves heat the plant cells, he thinks, softening and collapsing the stems into the fluid patterns that we have come to associate with the genuinely mysterious formations.
But Levengood does not know the source of the spinning plasma vortex.
My full interview with Nancy Talbot is at my new website, www.earthfiles.com.
Every day I am filing news reports about the environment, science, medicine, and real X-Files.
All my EarthFiles reports are both real audio and text with photographs, and I thank Keith and Rich Rowan for helping me.
Now, here's a brief excerpt from Nancy Talbot about what happened in Holland early Monday morning.
But what happened is that apparently at 12.15, he woke up and knew to go to the window.
You open the curtains and look out.
And his window overlooks this little garden out in the back and then this huge farm field, which is directly behind their garden.
And what he saw is that it's incredible.
He described a small, misty, pinkish purple light, not a sphere, more football shaped and a little bit smaller than a football, which was coming in over the field at a height of about 10 feet, maybe 12 feet over the field from quite a distance away.
It's an enormous field.
He watched it as it came closer and closer and closer to this spot that is about 50 meters behind his house.
And this is where one of the snow circles occurred a couple of years ago.
There was a circle in mustard seed there last spring.
He's had a couple of circles in other crops, you know, in that general area.
Came right back to this area and stopped.
He said the word he used was hanging.
It just stopped in the air and hung over this spot.
Then it started to elongate.
It spread out, I guess would be the easiest way to describe it.
And it apparently spread out and spread out, becoming thinner and thinner, looking like a disc, was then how he described it.
When it was about 30 feet in diameter, again, still hanging there, not moving at all except for this expanding motion, then he observed what he calls.
And that's Dutch for electrical discharge.
He and I have these signals we give back and forth because he doesn't speak English too well and I don't speak Dutch at all.
And what he means is that he watched electrical discharges coming from the underside of this disc-shaped, misty, pinkish-purple cloud or ball of light, where I would gather it sounded like six, seven, eight, maybe ten seconds immediately over the field.
Then the light phenomenon simply dissipated, was gone.
He was very excited, threw on some clothes, and went running out the back and squeezed through the hedge and into the field.
And lo and behold, right smack where that thing had been was a 30-foot diameter circle in, I think it's wheat.
They say grain, and I'm not sure which kind of grain they mean.
And a 10-foot circle very nearby, both of which had not been there at 10 o'clock when he went to bed.
It's still white in Holland at 10, and you can see whether it was there.
And it wasn't.
And here they were.
I've never heard a description quite like this.
In Sussex, I remember telling you about the southern, the Sussex one a couple years ago, where an elderly man had gotten up in the middle of the night and looked down his window, and he also saw balls of light is what he described, close to the ground, several of them, multiple balls, and then light shooting from the ball down to the ground and back up to the balls.
And in the morning, they found a fairly complex formation in that location.
So it seems like the formation process may not be one thing.
And Art back in the United States, the first unusual crop patterns this year were recently reported south of Annapolis, Maryland.
Several fields had randomly downed cereal crops that have a fluidity in the way they are laid down with multiple layers that cross at 90 degree angles.
Over the past several years in the U.S., Leavengood has found some of the greatest biochemical and biophysical changes in plant samples from these odd randomly downed crops that have a kind of scalloped edge to them often.
And a similar phenomenon was reported to me today by an investigator in Illinois near St. Louis, where 15 fields have randomly downed winter wheat that has this peculiar scalloped edge and flowing, he said, quote, as if water had swept through the plants, unquote.
And if any of our listeners find unusual downed crop and want to help the BLP research team, they can call 617-492-0415 in Cambridge, Mass.
That's 617-492-0415 or fax Nancy Talbot at 617-492-0414.
Another year of crop circles, and it's really starting off with a bang.
Yep.
I had heard, you know, all Doug and Dave with their boards and chains.
One of them died, didn't they?
Yes.
So in other words, unless it's the ghost of Doug or Dave, whichever one kicked the bucket, then we've got something entirely different here, but spinning plasma vortexes.
That's coming from a biophysicist from research that he's done trying to reproduce the biochemical and biophysical changes that he has found repeatedly from many countries in the seeds, the stems, and the cells.
Yes, that is the energy that seems to reproduce some of these changes.
And it would make sense that if there is a sudden heating of the water, but not enough to cook the plant, and it does go down to the ground under the impact or influence of this energy, that would explain what Peter Sorensen, the photographer, calls the magical bends that have no creases, that have no cracks.
I've seen many of them myself.
You can't believe that you're looking at plants lying flat to the ground and there's not a crease or a crack.
Well, with respect to what these are, though, Linda, this doesn't sound like a traditional UFO report.
So now can't we begin to imagine that as we have these newly discovered sprites that go up into space and we have a lot of changing weather and weird stuff going on here on Earth, that these things, whatever the hell they are, could be manifestations of our Earth?
Well, I myself think that we are dealing with an advanced intelligence of some sort.
I have no idea where it's coming from, but I really feel that we are dealing with some kind of advanced technology and that even if this remained translucent in that strange light, we can't second guess what kind of technology is at work beyond the fact that it's emitting some kind of energy that's interacting with the plants.
And in the website at Airthiles.com, in this in-depth interview with Nancy Talbot about this situation, she goes in to this 19-year-old two years ago was out in a field when all, and this is broad daylight, when all of a sudden he estimated it was at least 100 of spheres, glowing spheres, that ranged between grapefruit size and baseball size.
And they came and swirled around him.
At first he was alarmed, and the next thing he knew that he was waking up unconscious, right from unconsciousness, right in the middle of a formation.
And that was two years ago, which is different yet again from the man in Sussex and his experience Monday night watching from his bedroom window as this thing that started out smaller than a football and then kept expanding to a 30-foot diameter disc-shaped object.
And if you recall, back in the days of Bentwaters in England, there were multiple military eyewitnesses who said that an object that reminded them of a translucent see-through aspirin somewhere between 10 or 20 feet in diameter on the forest floor suddenly sprang full-blown into a craft.
So what kind of technologies are we dealing with, if that in fact is what this purple pink light is, is part of the mystery behind all of this phenomena.
So I personally feel this is really an important story that for some reason in this one particular area in Holland, whether it's the geography, whether it's the teenager himself or what it is, they've had repeated multiple eyewitnesses seeing these spheres of light and now this extraordinary experience Monday night.
And they're going to get some soil and crop samples from these two circles.
And as soon as Leavengood has done analysis and we have some sort of a report, I'll let everybody know what's going on.
And the, remember the Barbary Castle, the incredible formation, 1991.
This year, just a week ago, in a field about a quarter of a mile away from there, came down the most amazing Hebrew menorah.
Peter Sorensen told me that it is one of the most extraordinary fluid lays of the crop that he has ever seen in a field very similar.
And two years ago, it was the exact field where the Hebrew kakabbala was also Laid down as if there is some kind of a repetitive theme even in some of these same geographic fields.
And I think everybody listening who ever thought that Doug and Dave were the answer to any of this must realize by now they never were the answer.
They are not the answer.
And something extraordinary is happening.
And there's also an extraordinary discovery in the area of what kind of defenses could we have against bioterrorism attacks such as anthrax, smallpox, and other infectious diseases.
And what I'll do, I'll begin this part of the report until we have to go to break and pick it up on the other end, and then we'll go into our contrail story.
All right, when we come back, stay right there, Linda.
When we come back, not only will we have Charles Warren, but I will have a story for you that should blow your mind from New Hampshire that'll lead right into it.
So we're going to talk a little bit about contrails, or chemtrails, if you will.
Here's the way I'm going to lead into this.
I think Linda will enjoy this.
I'm sure our guest coming up will enjoy it as well, Charles Warren.
It came just, oh, I don't know, a couple of hours ago and reads as follows.
Hiart, I noticed you're having a chemtrail convention tonight.
Well, I don't know about that.
We did break the chemtrail story on this program.
It has now spread far and wide.
More ways than one.
He goes on, I have a somewhat appropriate, personal, embarrassing story to share with you.
Having been a skeptic of the contrails until only about three months ago, I'm very alarmed at what's going on right above us here in the mountains of New Hampshire.
There has never been flight patterns over this area in the past, but right now, it's like we're living in New Jersey or something.
Our skies are filled with contrails, and on the days that there are not any, it's record high temps being set.
It's getting weird, Art.
Something that is too weird is the rash on my left thigh and the bumps on my hands and feet.
I noticed a quarter inch by one inch rash on my leg last January.
I was very sick, and the antibiotics weren't working that well.
At that time, I associated the rash with being sick and being sick with the high stress levels, thinking that 1999 was going to be like thinking what 1999 was going to be.
I don't give you stress, all right.
Anyway, the rash continued right through the spring, and so I assumed it was from the stress or that maybe listening to too much Ed Dames talk about the sun on your show.
Meanwhile, I'd learned about the contrails in March, April from your show.
And as I looked around for signs, it was incredible.
The number of people who were sick and or having blotchy rashes on their faces and who knows where else.
I now have poison ivy-looking bumps on my hands and feet, and they don't seem to want to go away either.
I've been using colloidal silver on those areas.
When they turn raw, it clears up back to the bumps, which then don't leave.
The rash on my leg has not responded to the colloidosilver at all, and it's somewhat like a scar now, but it gets irritated every once in a while and will be itchy at times.
Now, look, I haven't had any doctors look at it yet because sometimes you just can't get yourself to go.
Meanwhile, you're hoping it all goes away.
You know how people are, so you don't go.
Well, I'm getting a little nervous now, and half my family and my friends have these wretches that are inexplicable.
Do I even want to know what I have to know?
That it attacks another area of my body later won't even be an option.
This is getting scary, Art.
Seeing is truly believing.
He ends it by saying, what the hell is going on?
Where's that dames when you need them?
To think that I thought all you guys and gals were crazy at one time, signed a former contrail skeptic from New Hampshire.
Well, the Contrail Mystery has focused questions about what kind of chemical substances could be dispersed from planes, making these odd patterns.
And before the break, I was going to go briefly into a very important medical discovery that may, in the long run, end up affecting all of us with an oily substance.
And the discoverer says as far as he's concerned, his lab has not made anything that has been being tried from contrails.
I told him about the reports from all over North America of contrails that have had an oily appearance when the sun has been there, and that people have actually reported an oily substance coming down onto their clothes and to their hands.
If we could take just a couple of minutes to hear this just as a lead-in to a very important anti-bioterrorism story, and then go to Chuck Warren.
This new discovery could actually be an answer to anthrax, smallpox, and other infectious diseases that would be dispersed by bioterrorists.
It's droplets of oil coated with detergent that are so small they can adhere to the surface of deadly bacteria and viruses and literally explode the germs.
That's why they're called nanobombs.
Nano means a billionth smaller than viruses and bacteria, but the oily substance is so safe it can be sprayed right on people, plants, and animals.
This medical discovery is the work of Dr. James Baker, professor of medicine, chief of the Division of Allergy and Immunology, and director of the Center for Biologic Nanotechnology at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor.
He develops extremely small lipids and polymers that can be engineered at the protein and amino acid level.
And the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, known as DARPA, started trying five years ago to find new ways to deal with bioterrorism.
And for the last two years, DARPA has funded Dr. Baker's research into blowing up germs with a water and oil mixture in which the oil droplets are one 100th the size of a human blood cell and coated with a detergent that disrupts the lipid coatings of the germs and causes them to explode.
The U.S. Army will run tests with it in about four months.
And I asked Dr. Baker how his oily water substance could be used if there was an anthrax drop or dispersion in the air over a surface.
Well, let me give you a specific scenario that's been actually in the news.
Now they held a mock attack in one of the subway stations in New York City.
And that one was that both materials such as the train, the station, and individuals were exposed.
Currently, the only way to decontaminate is to use very high concentrations of formaldehyde and bleach, which, number one, are very destructive to material, probably ruin any type of paint or fabric or type device in the area, and obviously are very toxic to human beings.
So there's no real way to decontaminate the area safely and to decontaminate the people safely.
This material can be used in a number of ways.
You can actually, it kills up to a dilution of 1 to 100.
And at 1 to 100, it literally looks like skim milk and has about the same consistency.
And you could put it in a sprayer type device and literally just spray down the whole station, the whole car.
And within an hour or two, you could even spray it again.
But within an hour or two, about 99.9% of the spores have been killed.
All of the anthrax spores will have exploded from this oily water.
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Right.
In addition, you can take the people that have been exposed and also treat them topically to decontaminate them.
If there are wounds that are contaminated, you can take this material and irrigate it in the wound.
So in fact, you can go in and decontaminate people as well as the environment.
And in fact, by reducing the number of spores that are on people or inhaled by people, you can go a long way to preventing the toxicity and the death associated with anthrax.
Dr. Baker's oily water substance will also destroy cholera, the Ebola virus, and most other pathogens that also have a lipid coating.
There's much more about this important discovery under science and medicine at earthfiles.com.
And Dr. Baker told me one of the scenarios the Army will test this fall is dropping the oily water substance from airplanes.
I told him about these eyewitness accounts of oily substances associated with unusual contrails and even falling from the sky.
And I asked him if he knew if any of this testing had already been done by the U.S. government.
He said it's not his oily substance because the only material that he's produced has been for the small-scale tests conducted at his University of Michigan laboratory.
Well, the positive point of view is that if any of it is related to Dr. Baker's work, it could be that it is a blessing in disguise because it could be, in the long run in the future, that it could save a lot of people's lives.
And behind this issue of what is going on in the skies over North America, Charles Warren of Swedesboro, New Jersey is one eyewitness who was so puzzled by peculiar contrail sightings back on March 17th and May 23rd, 1999, that he took photographs and posted them on the internet to ask for more information about them.
Unless an aircraft were to suddenly descend below the point where the contrail was being created, an aircraft in level flight would not suddenly just, boom, stop producing a contrail.
No way.
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Right.
And these contrails, well, at least the contrails that form the checkerboard pattern appeared to be at relatively low altitudes.
I'm not very good at judging height, but they were not the very high altitudes that you see normally where the contrails are formed.
Now, Chuck, did you try to get in touch with any airport or agency about this strange pattern?
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Well, I've made several attempts, even up until yesterday, to contact somebody of authority who has an official statement to give me, but I am sent through menu hell, and there's just no way of speaking to a human being anymore.
Now, so you have never gotten back any kind of an official explanation for why, for example, you would have something that looked like a tic-tac-toe crosshatch above your house?
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No, and actually I have sent that picture included in my email to the FAA, to the tower at Philadelphia International Airport, and to several other organizations and have never received a response back.
What provoked you to decide that you would go to the trouble of putting those photos on a website after you took those photos on March 17th?
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Well, as Art was talking earlier about the caller from New Hampshire, I was the same.
I was a skeptic.
I did not believe there was anything unusual about the Contrail story until March 17th.
After I received my photos back in the mail, I decided I would put up a small one-page website and see if I could get some response and some answers to some questions I had.
And the one-page personal homepage is now up to 175 pages, and I receive dozens upon dozens of reports and photographs every day.
And I thought one of the most interesting parts of your website is what you call recent visitors to the site.
And I counted just on what I downloaded Monday, June 7th.
There are almost 50 agencies listed here.
And if I understand, you began noticing within, what, the first week or so after posting the March 17th photos that you were getting repeat traffic to your site?
May I interject here for the audience that doesn't know about computers?
With respect to websites, everybody, it's possible to track who's coming to your website, or at least whether they're coming from an official government agency or that sort of thing.
Those informational statistics are available to a webmaster.
And so, Charles, you are getting the alphabet agencies visiting, huh?
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That's correct.
And the tracking devices are available to anybody.
I use one called Extreme Tracking, and it's a very useful tool.
And within that list that you have, Linda, is probably just the first week and a half that my small webpage was on.
NASA Langley Research Center, Marconi Aerospace Systems, Monsanto, the NOAA Aeronauty Laboratory, which is the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the Federal Energy Technology Center,
the Yucca Mountain homepage, the Air Force Combat Climatology Center, Nellis Air Force Base, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Rocky Flats Environmental Technology Site, the Space and Missile Systems Center for the Los Angeles Air Force Base, the Department of Defense Computer Emergency Response Team.
I mean, it's up to probably about 50 on this list, and probably more have been added since I downloaded this on Monday.
And the one that really just hits you right from the page is Wright-Patterson Air Force Base Aeronautical Systems Center, repeat visits daily, along with all those others.
And for listeners, Art, I'd like to make sure that everybody can go to that site, which is Contrail Connection, all put together as one word, contrailconnection.com.
And it would be very interesting for people who can bring those photos up now on that site to look at them while, Chuck, if you could explain what happened on May 23rd with that next set of photos that you took that has that really unusual diamond shape in it and what's happened since.
But start with May 23rd.
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Okay, May 23rd was another event, as I call them, over what appeared to be Philadelphia area at the time.
I noticed approximately four or five horizon-to-horizon contrails.
And then what caught my eye was a plane turning a complete circle directly over the city of Philadelphia.
And I watched the entire thing and I was just completely amazed.
Because you can see it so clearly on your photos on the website, the circle, and then that great, big, huge contrail that's coming through the circle and all those crossing the circle.
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Right.
And then today I received photographs taken from another vantage point in Wayne, Pennsylvania, of the same exact circle and contrails running right through the middle of it.
Yeah, and in these photos, Art, as you look across on the web page, you see a very clear diamond.
It's quite intense.
And then it seems to be doing one of those fading out numbers that has been associated sometimes with the, we'll call it the craft of unknown origin phenomena.
And then about the same week that I was talking with Chuck Warren about his site, I received in the mail from northern New Jersey from a man named Ed DeVeo.
He's up near the New York State, New Jersey border.
And he sent two photographs, has the crosshatches right above his house.
And it was, in fact, it was the contrails in the sky doing these odd crosshatches that had provoked Mr. Davio to go outside with his camera and take photographs.
When he got the photos back, and after they were developed, there are, and I'm looking at them right now, very intense round white spheres that have what appears to be a light pink corona around each of them in these two photos.
And when Mr. Davieo sent the photos, he wrote, quote, there were six large jet aircraft in formation, one behind the other, but offset from one another and quite high.
I could see the white, whatever, coming from the fuselage near where the wings connect.
As they passed overhead, three more planes crisscrossed their white trails.
Then they all made an abrupt turn and headed west toward Pennsylvania.
At the time I took the pictures, I did not see the bright circular objects, nor did I see them while watching the jets continue on.
I'm reading this directly off their website right now.
In their mission statement, there's a few things that I'll read here.
Engineering, Design, and Employment of Weapons System, Weather Sensitive Multi-Billion with a B, dollar national programs controlled by the Secretary of Air Force, Department of Defense, lead of air and space weather modeling and simulations.
You want to go out on a limb and give us what you think since you're so closely involved in this right now?
What's your best guess?
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Well, I actually have two.
Number one would be that this is some type of protective shield that they're testing for solar rays.
There's a possibility that these have a reflective base and the oily substance could produce a reflective base and this could be used to protect against a solar flare that is supposed to come before the end of this year.
I always thought it's, you know, thinking, trying to think on the benign side of things, I thought, what better way to inoculate a population without their knowledge against some sort of bio-warfare weapon?
And when I say inoculate, I mean, you know, you kind of catch a little cold, you have a little upper respiratory problem, and then it goes away and you have been inoculated against something they think might be dispersed in our air.
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That's a good theory.
They do it during the daytime when people are out in public.
The only thing I have a problem with that is the repeat sprayings going on.
This has got to be a multi-billion dollar operation.
And I would think that if they were going to inoculate people via the air, that they would do it at a one-time shot rather than come back once or twice a month for many months.
Now, obviously, a good question here for either one or both of you is all of these agencies that are visiting your site, would you guess that they are checking, using you as a resource to check the effectiveness of what they're doing, or whether each agency is wondering if it might be the other guy who's doing it?
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I would think that they would be checking to see what information I am providing to the public.
Think you're going to get a knock on the door, Chuck?
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I've been expecting one, and the coffee's on.
If they want to come and sit down and have a chat with me, the coffee's on, but I'm not going to stop presenting the information unless they physically take my computer out of here, and I'll just have to find another one.
No, actually, out of the thousands and thousands of emails I get, I've only received three negative emails, and they are probably from people with nothing better to do.
And you can tell that they have people with nothing better to do because they don't sign their real name to them.
But I have not received really any negative responses at all.
I've received quite an overwhelming response from the general public demanding answers, sending me photographs.
On my website, I do have automatic reporting forms that people can fill out.
There's one for both contrail events and for contrail sickness.
This information is being compiled for all investigators in the field to use my website to further their cause and to try to get some answers to what's going on.
All right, well, here's one for either one of you.
Do you feel that if this is some great threat, one of the theories I threw out to the American public, Canadian public, whatever, that our government would have a right with its charge to serve and protect like the people to do what they have to do to protect us?
If it is that kind of situation, then would they have the right to spray us with some inoculation, if that's what it is, without our knowledge?
Under those conditions, would you think they would have the right to conduct such a massive secret program?
Yeah, in the National Security Act of 1947, which if you go to a law library and you ask to see the National Security Act of 1947, the librarian will say, which volume?
And when you go to the shelves in which the National Security Act of 1947 is spread out in volume after volume after volume, you realize that buried in all of the entire illuminate for satellites and other high-altitude tracking, visual tracking.
And in your question to Chuck earlier about the visits from all of these agencies and why and the implications, there are two other things that have come to my mind.
And one is I think that a lot of these agencies would be actually grateful to Charles Warren and to others who are consolidating what people are photographing from all over North America.
It's partly, it's what is the public's reaction, what is happening everywhere, and that leads to the many photographs and eyewitness testimonies now of unidentified, that's the best we can say, unidentified aerial objects in or near the contrails.
Linda and Chuck, listen to this and then your comments, please.
Dear Art, regarding the chemtrails, it could be smart polymer plastics stated in the BBC.
These smart nanoplastics assemble themselves in 20-sided isochondral structures.
I learned in virology that that is a structure used by messenger RNA of any virus.
The structure is a perfect structure.
It assembles itself from sticky ends, positive and negative ends, of a protein used even today for geodesic housing created out of this 20-sided structure.
Its architecture, the genius structure, comes from a virus.
A genesis, I guess that is.
I'm sorry.
No, genius structure comes from a virus.
But then again, maybe that is the point.
You see, it is clear the polymer could be a coating of an artificial virus.
Well, if they're suggesting that our government would be spraying something out that was a virus for contamination, I have personal problems with that because people in the government have wives, children, husbands, too.
And I personally think that whatever is going on is something that is of a defensive nature or a helpful nature.
Well, I'm not certain from what you read if his implication is that this particular viral form would be used to carry in some kind of information or it would be a virus in and of itself.
But it does raise the interesting question about what are the unidentified aerial objects ranging from Chuck Warren's diamond-shaped objects to the silver disks that you and I have talked about.
And I've interviewed a lot of people, and we have photos of those.
And these round, intensely glowing spheres, such as Ed Davieu's in northern New Jersey.
And his two photos that everybody should really check out are on my EarthFiles.com website in the June 3rd Contrail story with Chuck Warren.
And two other photos that you should all see that are in the Phoenix, Arizona Contrail report on May 28th at earthfiles.com.
And this is really quite extraordinary because it was 10 o'clock In the morning, it was in early May, and a guy named Gary Graham was experimenting with his new Kodak digital camera in front of his house in Phoenix.
And he was puzzled by the number of contrails and that there were those X shapes again.
And so he started aiming the camera sequentially just because he was provoked by the contrails.
And he did not realize until he went to his computer to download the digital images that he had been taking at about two seconds apart in a series.
And then the very last photograph had three unidentified objects in this frame that is there at the website, and the frame just before it, two seconds before, is also there.
There's nothing in the clouds, the contrails, or the sky in the immediately preceding frame, and then suddenly, two seconds later, not only is there a white, what looks like a white spherical object, there are two black objects that look long.
You almost think they could be jets.
But he said, I couldn't hear any sound.
I didn't hear anything.
And he did not see them when he was photographing through his camera.
What are the strange, unidentified objects that keep cropping up in association with the contrails as well?
First of all, I wanted to applaud you, Art, for your continuous exploration beyond the boundaries of socially acceptable knowledge.
There's a price, sir, I can assure you.
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I wanted to, you know, I have some comments to make.
You know, Rousseau, in his writings about the social contract about 400 years ago, 500 years ago, stated that the government is supposed to represent the general will of the people.
And I have noticed over the centuries that there seems to be a big gap that's being bridged between the people and the government.
And the guests that you have on tonight and the subject you're talking about is just one more example of where I see like there seems to be this facade of democracy.
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I mean, granted, I know our day-to-day lives are a lot better in this country than in other parts of the world.
But at the same time, I see this facade of democracy to keep the people happy.
But in reality, behind the scenes, there are government agencies like the ones that your guests had listed that are basically doing what they want to do.
I think, Art, that was made clear by documents that have been released concerning the Truman administration, that there was a great deal of concern about what was crashing in a variety of places that were labeled unidentified craft of unknown origin back 50 years ago.
And it set in motion, probably for very benevolent and very practical and very intelligent reasons, policies to keep the public and the media completely in the dark while government insiders tried to figure out what was going on and to ascertain did they have a national security threat.
So if you say that has been the context for all of their decisions for half a century and counting, then right now we are living the legacy of continued entrenchment of that point of view.
And I think at that, when you have had that long of inside government, highly classified, highly secret power over secret knowledge that is kept from the public, you are in a state where it may jeopardize what we consider to be a constitutional democracy.
The question was, are we living in a sort of a facade of democracy?
Linda took her shot at it.
You're newer at this.
What do you think?
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Well, I'm not sure what to think anymore.
This country used to be run on honesty and hardworking people, and it seems to be that the more secrets and the more lies we tell, the further apart our citizens get from the government.
And I welcome information on the record or off the record, and confidences are always honored.
But I think we are dealing with something in which it's very clear that something is going on that is extraordinary, and we all need to know more about what is behind it.
Tom, you're going to have to speak up a little bit in Sacramento, yes.
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Yeah, well, I had actually recently emailed you with regard to some of the activity that's been going on here in an area east of Sacramento.
And it all started actually on Mother's Day that I happened to notice that they started spraying.
And it seems as though they really like the crystal clear days that they actually start laying these grids of the chemtrails.
And, you know, what's interesting is that something that you touched on before, they actually do periodically stop.
So in other words, they'll be flying along, spraying a chemtrail, and there'll even be a period of time where it'll actually stop for a period of time and then start again, almost like a tank has been emptied and they're restarting up another tank or something like that.
So it's really kind of interesting.
And I'm just kind of wondering if we're able to document times and dates, if there's not some way to look at some sort of FAA records or something and actually determine who's actually flying over a particular area.
And Art, Chuck Warren did a fascinating research into satellite photographs, trying to look for contrails from satellites.
Chuck, could you jump in here and explain what happened?
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Sure.
I'd like to comment first about what they call our said about clear days.
If you go back and look at every single report, 100% of them, every report has a clear and dry day.
It's a standard online form.
They can pick the type of weather that's going on during the event.
And Mother's Day was a big reporting day for California.
As far as the satellites go, I had gone back and tried to research the exact dates and times for the contrail events and cross-reference them with images stored in the archives for satellite data.
And every single one I went to, the time period for the event date was blacked out.
It was restricted.
It was not allowed in it.
And I have never been able to get into an archive satellite picture to look up if they've been caught on the satellites.
Now I did get one today.
A visitor to my website in California sent me a quick note and a link to the satellite.
And sure enough, you could clearly see the contrails just over one county.
And I did take snaps for a three-hour period every hour.
Well, you know, I really would appreciate it if you could either fax me the story with a phone number so I could talk with you also about it at that 215-491-9842 number.
And because I would like to follow up your story and the Houston sphere emitting these wavy contrails on Mother's Day.
So it sounds like this was occurring at approximately the same time.
And then it dropped down in behind Mount Charleston, and then I come out of the landfill where I work, and it started moving back southwest, and then I lost track of it.
And I tried to get a hold of you guys, but what can you do?
So the theory behind this would be, you know, which would you rather have, have to stand in line and then be told they're out of, you know, anthrax vaccinations or the entire country vaccinated with, you know, some kind of an air saw or airborne bacteria fighter, you know?
Yes, or certainly testing to see if something like the nanobomb oily water that Dr. Baker has discovered could be dispersed from airplanes because they're going to have to do a lot of testing with winds and coverage to see what they have to do to disperse this stuff.
So whether or not that's been part of what's going on, I don't know, but it would not explain, would it?
That's Chuck, and Linda Moulton Howe will continue with us because there's a couple of other things we have got to talk about.
Busy night, coast to coast, A.M. Back to Linda Moulton Howe, but I wanted to hear this.
Art, I'm listening tonight, and I find your program interesting.
Thought you might like to know.
I know someone that collected samples of the contrail debris locally.
They ended up in the hospital for several days last month.
The material was sent to a lab for analysis.
It was found to be an extreme biohazard.
Its gestation rate was within 48 hours, and this is the fastest rate the lab had seen in anything that they had ever looked at.
The friend that sent it to the lab via FedEx was scolded for sending it without proper biohazard procedures.
I've also talked to another friend in the military that told me that anthrax shots are a series of shots that have to be taken at a very specific time every day.
And if you don't meet the timetable, the shots have got to be repeated.
I was told it was a series of six shots every 24 hours at the exact same time every day.
Could this be why the contrails are being repeated?
Didn't know if you'd heard anything like it from anyone before.
John, and I guess I should tell Linda and all of you about the following.
I had Wayne Green on the other night, Linda, and he happened to mention anthrax, that he had read something about anthrax in this country with regard to the Iraqis.
Well, I had a phone call from the FBI by noon time of the following day wanting to talk to Wayne, and I presume they did talk to Wayne Greene.
But I'm telling you, Linda, there's a lot of sensitivity out there, and all he did was mention he had read something.
Well, remember, maybe it was on Dreamland that I did the interview with Dr. Henderson, who was recently appointed to this new bioterrorism center in Baltimore.
And he is hooked up with Johns Hopkins University.
And he said in the interview that bioterrorism is a great concern to this government.
They are especially concerned about anthrax and smallpox, and that coming up with enough vaccines to deal with just those two diseases alone would be possibly a three-year lag time.
That's why I think that Dr. Baker's work is so important, because if you can literally explode the germs by simply spraying them with this emulsified oil and water mixture that has the detergent on the very small Nano oil drops, you are doing something that you can spray all over the place.
As Dr. Baker said, you could spray down kids, schools, and buses, and no one would be hurt, and that you would kill 99.9% of the anthrax spores.
Well, that's an incredible step forward, but according to him, his material hasn't been tested yet on a wide scale.
I don't know if the right hand in the government could be doing something that the left hand doesn't know about.
Well, yeah, related specifically to the nanotech, but they might be trying it with something that is similar to try to test wind pattern dispersion, and I would be very interested.
Here's a fax, Linda, from a doctor who faxes my show.
I know him personally.
He says, Art, my guess is that this would be part of a massive inoculation effort.
I would further guess that the actual immunization may not have begun yet.
And what we're experiencing now are preliminary efforts to test a variety of factors involved in the delivery of same and response, perhaps by utilizing mild pathogens of the population.
Anthrax, apparently, may be a very real and very major threat.
Yeah, that's what I said earlier with Chuck Warren, that that's the part that has made the most sense to me, that they have to start dealing with what happens in wind patterns, temperatures, and how much coating do they get to the ground at different altitudes.
And these grids, the grid pattern, I've had a lot of discussions with people about that.
When you have a grid pattern, it seems like you could be testing specific distances, speeds, and all of those, and that the people doing the testing would know the significance of the grid pattern.
And I talked with this atmospheric physicist, Drew Schindell, at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies at Columbia University in New York.
And his paper that's reprinted in Nature confirms that over the past 30 years, winter temperatures in the northern hemisphere have warmed up a full 10 times more than the global average increase, which is now about 0.9, almost 1 degree Fahrenheit.
And that means, Art, that the west coast of the U.S., Canada, and most of Europe now have winters that are a full 10 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than they were in the 1960s.
This is the first time that Dr. Shindel, in this case, has been able to show with confidence that this chronic warming is a result of greenhouse gas emissions.
And he and I talked about the fact that the current computer projections, which are his and a whole lot of other people's computer projections, that the winters on the west coast of North America and throughout Europe will continue to warm up for the next 60 to 80 years.
And if they have gone up 10 degrees in the past 30, on the outside, they could go up to 20 degrees warmer.
And you know that means more and more rain, possibly less and less snow.
And people are going to have to deal with the implications of more flooding.
And last winter in Europe, remember, the floods were the worst, I think, on record.
What they mean is that when you get a huge electromagnetic surge, it's going to interact with the magnetosphere and the ionosphere.
And what's known now in circles in Washington as space weather up above our heads, where all of our satellites orbit, is of increasing concern because it can induce power blackouts.
It could block radio communications.
It could send the satellite spinning out of control.
This has been a big worry.
And in this release from BBC, it says, quote, cellular phones, global positioning signals, and spacewalking astronauts, we're all at risk.
I think that is what is behind that phrase, a planet buster, because if it's big enough and it hits our magnetosphere And ionosphere, it could knock out so much because we put so many satellites up now and we are becoming more and more satellite dependent for so many things, military and civilian.
And when you realize that we now are at a place where we are depending upon machines above our heads that are vulnerable to electromagnetic storms from the sun, it also explains why when I was in Santa Fe last year for that conference of ionospheric physicists who came from all over the world,
one of the big reasons for all the testing they are doing in HAARP and in Europe and Arecibo and all over is that they know so very little about what exactly does happen in the ionosphere and how can they make satellites more immune to these electromagnetic influxes that has just happened apparently last week.
And this is a part of science that is really trying to push in new frontiers because we're talking about trying to now deal with machines that are put up anywhere, you know, in the 100 to 300 mile area.
And we are dealing with strong inputs on a cyclic basis from the sun.
We've got a lot of them, Linda, that are a lot higher than that.
They're in geosynchronous orbit in the Clark Belt.
Listen, while though we're on the subject and using the term planet buster, which is pretty scary, astronomers lately have been seeing these stars that for no discernible reason suddenly brighten tremendously.
And they suggest that if a planet like ours were around a sun that brightened in the way they are now observing, we'd be toast.
But then it's an issue that our particular yellow sun, which is a G-type sun, is at least known to be more stable, and that some of the suns, like this Eta Quran A, are a different type of sun.
And all I think that we can say is that astronomers are trying to understand this and that we don't know enough about our own sun to say with guarantee that it won't happen to us.
They really are saying that they simply don't know enough yet to say that it wouldn't happen to us.
Right.
All right.
We've got so little time.
I want to cover a lot, Linda.
I had a talk.
You and I both personally know Bob Bigelow of the Bigelow Foundation.
He funds a lot of ufology research.
About eight or nine months ago, I talked to Bob, and he asked me what I thought would be good research fodder.
And I said, well, I've always been fascinated by the Brookings report, which basically simplified suggests society would go bonkers if extraterrestrial visitation were known to be a fact.
And I thought, well, that occurred so long ago to be really interesting to go back to Brookings and do another study.
And by gosh, I guess Bob did.
And they said they weren't equipped for it.
So I just got this press release.
And apparently Bob Bigelow commissioned a Roper survey, which found in a survey of 1,971 men and women the following results.
One out of four Americans think most people would, quote, totally freak out and panic if such evidence were confirmed.
Check this out.
80% of influential Americans think the U.S. government would classify or suppress any evidence of extraterrestrial life.
Now, Linda, that's you rarely in America get eight out of ten Americans agreeing on anything, but they're saying eight out of ten say it would be kept a secret of influential Americans.
People who are in jobs and positions to have impact on our sociology.
And to me, that raises an even bigger question.
What does that say about us as humans?
That we would, that many people would assume that governments would deep sick something as important as contact with other advanced intelligences.
What does that say about the human psyche?
At one level, that's incomprehensible to me.
It would seem that contact with any other kind of intelligence that would be known to political systems should be shared with the entire global human family.
And the fact that everybody assumes that this is information that should be hidden because of the consequences to economic, social, and religious paradigms, I think that is a frightening statement.
This virtually is saying, Linda, that nothing has really changed since Brookings, which is what I speculated about for years, that if we were to do a new report, and this report, frankly, did Brookings and then went beyond Brookings in scope, but nothing has changed.
The reason for secrecy would be as big today as it was then.
And it also assumes that lying is a viable alternative at all turns in a story having to deal with information That is simply outside of current paradigms.
Well, but you've got to remember, Linda, with respect to our elected officials and those appointed and generally government today, how do you think they got where they are?
But there's more to this NIDS survey, this Roper poll, and we'll get to that in a moment.
My guest is Linda Moulton-Howe.
She's been a reporter, science reporter for years for us and has won numerous documentaries, documentary awards.
One more item, actually two more items to discuss.
Among other findings of this Roper survey, when asked what they thought, these influential people, what they thought UFOs were, 25% thought they were alien spaceships.
12% thought they were secret government programs.
That's interesting.
9% said hallucinations.
19% said UFOs are normal events that are misinterpreted by witnesses.
The fact that there is 25% now of this group that has been polled would put it in some sort of an alien extraterrestrial category is, I think, is noteworthy, especially that this is a group of influential Americans who would say that 80% would say that they would expect the government to classify it all as a secret.
What's running through my mind is that according to military people, intelligence people, and then humans in the abduction syndrome, there is a variety of non-human intelligence types that have different agendas and motives.
And whoever they are, if there is a plurality of them with mixed agendas, some of which may be spiritual and some of which may be just purely physical genetic harvesting, that would affect, I would think, who would be the most appropriate on the human side to interface.
But I would guess that history has shown that who would be greeting would certainly have a military contingent to it.
Well, I know, but if an alien, advanced race had been watching us recently, all the goings on, India, Pakistan, probably bombs in Kashmir, who knows, anthrax, terrorism, the bombing of Yugoslavia.
I mean, if they've really been watching down on this and they decide to contact the military first, I'm going to be bummed out.
Well, then you come back to the mystery of the human abduction syndrome and what some people have speculated is that this is a grassroots interface by an advanced intelligence or one or more advanced intelligences to specifically bypass government and political entities.
Yes, and in this country especially, which we're supposed to be an informed democracy, but I don't think art that it's worked that way for so long and that Americans know that there is something wrong in the machinery of this country.
And that's where all the skepticism and cynicism, bitterness, and actually I think festering hatred is coming about a system that is so out of sync now with the general population.
But he has a section in there on angel hair, where disc and cigar-shaped objects all over the world back in the 50s, 60s, and 70s were seen to be dispersing angel hair or spider webs phenomenon.
But we aren't dealing with that angel hair phenomena.
We're dealing with what appears to be some kind of a substance that has made rainbows in the sky and people have said has had a kind of oily appearance or that they've had a residue fall, whereas the angel hair, as the name describes, was a substance that people could pick up and put in jars and did.
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Right.
They took it to universities and had it, tried to have it analyzed.
But it seems to me that, oh, there was a reporter here in Miami, Rad Berkey at Channel 10 ABC station, who did a report on Homestead Air Force Base and the planes down here are dispersing a real fine chaff for radar dispersion and it makes huge clouds of the local weather radar.
And did an analysis of it and the local governments are getting upset thinking that maybe it could affect people's breathing if they breathe in this real fine fiber.
Well, if you could find out if there's anybody who knows or a reporter or if there's any lab that has done tests and you could get in touch with me, I'd very much like to know what the elemental composition of that material is if you can find out.
Right, but that's a generic, earthfiles at earthfiles.com.
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Right.
I also have a tape of, well, I got a tape actually of both of the shows, and he basically deals with the radar screen aspect of it, and the reason why they dropped the shape to cause a missile to not strike the plane.
And he doesn't really get into tankers at all.
It basically just is the shafe.
The only problem is, is that on their weather radar, it shows so much shafe that when the Air Force guy denies that it could come from their planes, you almost believe them because they actually, in the piece, show the shafe being put under the wing and everything.
And I mean, they're just showing them everything like they have nothing to hide.
And they say that they regularly train with it.
But if you look at the radar, it's so much of it spread across the keys, it's almost 50 miles worth, and it wouldn't come out of those tiny little canisters.
Well, did anybody ask the military guy if there is this much radar chaff in the air and it's not attributable to them, where would it be coming from?
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No, he was using it as his denial.
And the analysis of the stuff actually led them to a woman in Nevada.
Part of the story took place with an environmentalist lady that was in Nevada who said that she has been studying this for a while in Art's neck of the woods, and she says that it is not very healthy.
It contains things that you don't want to breathe.
Well, you know, again, we're back to this mystery of what could be motivating our government for a positive reason to be putting a lot of things in the atmosphere, perhaps at different altitudes, because they are concerned about something.
When I was in the Air Force, I was stationed at Kadena Air Force Base, the island of Okinawa, while Vietnam was going on, and we were bombing in Cambodia and Laos and stuff.
And, of course, the Air Force denied outright that there were any B-52s taking off that were involved in any missions of that sort at all.
And I worked for a Japanese company at the time after I got out of the Air Force, a broadcasting company.
They would send a Japanese reporter down to the end of the runway off base at Kadena Air Force Base, and they would interview an Air Force spokesperson who would stand there and deny that any such missions had ever taken off, that any such airplanes even existed on that base.
And as he was making his denial, you could see the B-52 taking off right over his head.
And they would run this on Japanese television every day or two, and it was a riot.
So will they stand there and deny something, even in the face of it rising behind them?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So if there's a lot of chap out there, I'm surprised they're saying this.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Linda Moltenhow and Art Bell.
Hi.
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Hi, Art Bell.
This is Arrow calling from Corvallis, listening to you 1340 K-L-O-O.
And yeah, I have actually a question and a comment.
I'm actually glad to talk to you guys, Linda and Art.
Very honored to talk to you.
And the question I have is, well, the comment I have first is, I've been playing, I've lived in the same apartment here in the same place for about seven years now.
I played the same basketball zoop right around my house.
And I mean, I've been playing the same place for the same summer, you know, for over seven years.
And it's just in the last year now that there's been a condensement of these contrails that's been going around.
And I mean, you know, over the last four or five years, you can ask anybody here, just a common base, you know, that over the past, you know, maybe one or two years, there's just been a large condensement of these contrails.
And I'm just wondering, and I mean, obviously, you know, we don't know this, why all of a sudden there's a condensement of these contrails in the last two years?
Why haven't we been seeing this maybe 10, 5, 10 years ago?
My feeling is, and I'll tell you why, that when there are those that profess to be taken by extraterrestrials, it happened to me twice, about six or seven years ago, very close times together.
It was like six months apart.
And I went through the same thing where I was like, I couldn't move.
Suddenly I was on a very hard slab.
It felt very, very uncomfortable.
And there was three or four personages around me in white.
This was like in a dream state, you know, like I had gone to sleep.
But before I went to sleep, it was like I was paralyzed, like I couldn't move in both of these instances.
And I, you know, I made a sign of the cross.
My faith is Catholic, so instinctively, we were brought up to make the sign of the cross when we were in danger.
Anyway, I felt that I made a sign of the cross.
The first time, I immediately got back to my bed.
It was like, boom.
You know, about a week ago, you were talking about various ways in which people got out of this state, and I wanted to call them, but I couldn't get through.
The second time it happened, it was as though, now I know this sounds far out, but it was as though I was being asked to reject my faith, like Jesus, reject.
And I said, no.
And I went to make the sign of the cross, and three or four of these objects, these people, personages, grabbed my hand to hold me back from making the sign of the cross.
And when I completed the cross, and I forced myself to do it through the strength of them holding me back, and when the cross was done, I know this sounds far out, but this happened to me.
Well, now I think we have a case here of somebody reacting in the only way they can react.
If you have an absolute faith that everything is connected to God, and if it isn't, it's the bad guys, then you're going to react in the way that man did.
If you're not of a religious point of view, you're going to react and tell a very different story.
Well, you know, Art, it is interesting that in the last, I would say, 30 years at least publicly, of the human abduction syndrome, going all the way back to Betty and Barney Hill and coming up, there have been repeated cases in various researchers' files where someone has consciously,
they've waked up and they're paralyzed and there is a being in the room or being and they say they call in the name of Christ for help or God for help and then all of a sudden everything disappears and they are not abducted.
I wonder, in addition to the Contrail Chemtrail issue, if we could go back for a minute to the crop circles, because Paul Anderson, who runs the Millennium Project up in Canada, sent me an interesting report recently from Israel.
Barry Shamish is a journalist over there who has followed the crop circle story in Israel for the last several years.
And he wrote, quote, that on the afternoon of March 20th, which was this year, I believe, the first day of spring approximately, a significant crop formation was discovered in the Jezreel Valley.
It was the third formation found in the Jezreel Valley in the past year.
The formation was barbell-shaped with two circles of 9 meters diameter joined by a straight line, also 9 meters long and 90 centimeters wide.
800 meters away, an 11-meter diameter circle was found in addition.
The formation, but the stems were not broken.
The Jezreel Valley boasts numerous important biblical sites, including the Har Megiddo, which is supposed to be Armageddon, where the final battle before Judgment Day is prophesied, and Mount Tabor, where Jesus meditated for 40 days before beginning his ministry.
Linda, you know, what you've just said can be summed up by saying you can't rule out the possibility that the Bible's right, that the end days are close or upon us, and that these are signs we are seeing.
I mean, it's as much of a possibility as little guys in spaceships, plasma balls, Doug and Dave, any of the other million explanations one might have, the religious folk could be right on the mark, and we're just seeing what they're saying.
Yes, I think that there's always this spiritual river that flows through all of these phenomena, but there's something that I also like to keep in mind and have done a presentation about the last year, and that is the fractal nature of the universe that we live in, which relates to repeating cycles.
And that in these repeating cycles of fractals, there are always expanding, evolutionary, changing patterns.
There are repetitions, yes, and you can see the recognizable patterns of the past and the present, but the future may change enough to not be exactly like the pattern before.
And I guess that is part of all this, that I hold the door open, that we may have been given a lot of warnings in religious literature, in nashadamas, in a whole lot of things about a future course.
And yet right now, it seems to me that there are evidences that people are trying to shift where our future could be going, and that maybe this is part of some grand spiritual test.
In other words, could any of these contrails, there has been some pretty interesting speculation, Linda, that this polymer or whatever it is could be released in the atmosphere in conjunction with a test of something that would modify the weather.
In other words, a reflective reflective element or absorbing element in the atmosphere that would work in conjunction with high levels of low-frequency radiation.
You know, the problem is that none of us know enough to really comment.
It is so speculative.
I would like to know what the government knows and what it's doing, but I also can step into their shoes and say that if they let us know everything that they were doing, then their perceived enemies would know what they were doing, and that a lot of this probably has to do with countering perceived enemies.
Yeah, the second point I was going to ask you is I find it difficult to believe that they would be doing it for a benevolent reason, you know, like to inoculate us because this stuff is so contagious from the samples that you've gotten.
But there have just been such few samples that have actually, like that one that went to a lab, I don't know really of much of any of this that has actually gotten to the lab stage.
And where I had my own experience standing out in Sedona and then two days later in Phoenix under these gigantic X's being made with other people, but none of us got sick.
Yeah, when you're talking about radiation, I mean, you're dead right.
All right.
Check this out, Linda.
I got a facts from a first officer of a commercial airline that he didn't want to name that flies a nightly route to Minneapolis, St. Paul, you know, up in that area.
And he said that, Art, you know, last night, and I'm paraphrasing now, but I'm going to be very close, he said the entire sky was lit up with northern lights, not the normal shimmery northern lights, but the entire sky was illuminated.
And he said, the pilot told me he began to feel disoriented, and I began to feel disoriented.
And this went on for some time and then cleared up when they landed the next night.
I got another facts from a first officer, again, of a major airline.
Not only did he say that they had experienced the same thing near the same route, but Linda, you know they wear headsets with a microphone.
You're going to have to yell at us a little, but go ahead.
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No problem.
I have a couple of questions if you give me the chance.
Going with the theory that the cattle mutilations are some sort of environmental monitoring, has there been any increase in that since the chemtrail started?
There have been some isolated cases of some unusual animal deaths.
And in fact, one series, I guess you would say, of eight dogs dead and a ninth attack in Woodleaf, North Carolina in May was not exactly the classic mutilation, but reminded me of the chupacabris, which we have not heard about since June of 1996.
I interviewed the head of the environment office that had the animal control office do a necropsy on the eighth dog.
I talked with the owner of the eighth dog that was dead and the ninth that was attacked two nights later.
The description of the wounds is a quarter of an inch wide, one penetrating approximately four inches into the chest of that ACE dog and taking a part of the heart.
There were about 11 such quarter-inch holes on that ACE dog, and the owner said there was no blood, that the wounds were really quite dry, and that when they did the knee corrupts,
that the fact that there was a hole that went four inches, that would seem to contradict the tooth of a mountain lion or another kind of cat or predator.
And Dr. Soto in Puerto Rico, when I was there investigating the chupacabras mystery, he had a rabbit that was brought in by one of the TV stations for necropsy, and he described, and we had on the radio on Dreamland and or Coast,
that he went into a hole in the bottom of the jaw of the rabbit and measured it four inches penetrating into the brain where brain tissue had been taken.
Again, no blood.
I'm not saying that there is a chupicbris proof here, but it is interesting that eight dogs dead, a ninth attack.
Well, in Woodleaf, which is sort of in that, well, quite a ways from Charlotte, but it's out in the rural area.
But there was one more interesting point for people who may or may not be listening and had anything like this happen.
In Puerto Rico, Mexico, Central America, where these strange puncture wound attacks occurred back in 95 to June of 1996, the last known attack being in 1996, there were often descriptions, and I've seen photos of this, of what looks like a thick saliva on the hair of the animals, either around the puncture marks or just on the hair.
The owner of the eighth dead dog and the ninth attack, both dogs had this very, very thick saliva-like liquid all over the heads of both of those dogs.
Yeah, actually, I was wondering if Linda had any recent information on the San Luis Valley, and might suggest to Yart if you could maybe do a show on the Valley, and maybe Linda could put you in touch with Chris O'Brien.
Oh, this is the area in southern Colorado where the first public animal mutilation was reported back at the end of the 60s, the horse named Lady, the Appaloosa mare found stripped of flesh from the neck up, associated with strange aerial craft in the valley.
What he's talking about is that from the sand dunes in the Sangria de Cristo Mountains, when you go west and south, there is an area there that has for decades, it's been associated with very unusual activity, both in the sky and an awful lot of animal mutilations.
And if you go then further east, past the Sangrias, you come to a town called Trinidad.