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May 25, 1999 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Jose Escamilla - Rods

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	This is Coast to Coast AM and I'm Art Bell.
	Hello there.
	Oh, what a night we're going to have tonight.
	I have a number of announcements for you.
	The first and probably most important being that next hour, I'm going to, I'm absolutely going to blow your mind.
	I mean, I'm going to blow your mind.
	You may recall Ed Dames on the program two or three weeks ago.
	And you may recall that Ed Dames said that as a fun project, he looked at the phenomenon of rods.
	You remember rods?
	You remember Jose Escamilla?
	Jose has been investigating rods now for a long time.
	What the hell are rods?
	You're saying, well, you're going to find out tonight.
	Better than that, if you have a computer.
	Uh, you better get busy because I, just prior to air time, I watched the videotape that Jose Escamilla sent me on RODS, and I must tell you, it blew my mind.
	Ed Dames looked at RODS and said, hey Art, I was shocked.
	I looked at RODS and RODS are a life form coexisting with us on the planet.
	That was Ed Dames.
	And that's exactly what Jose Escamilla has been saying for a long time.
	These strange, strange creatures, and I am convinced they are creatures, can be seen in an 11-minute videotape, which Jose Escamilla has supplied to me.
	Now, as you know, we have real video, or streaming video, on the web, which means If you go to my website and you download the free, F-R-E-E, free G2 Player, and then come back to my website and click on Streaming Video, you will see me doing the show live.
	Well, guess what else I can do?
	I can run videotapes.
	Now, of course, I call it almost TV.
	It is the brainchild of Intel Corporation and distributed by Broadcast.com.
	Two brilliant companies.
	And tonight, when Jose comes on the air, I'm going to begin running this video on that channel, a streaming video, and I'm going to run it again and again so you can see exactly what it is we're talking about.
	Ladies and gentlemen, we are coexisting on this planet with another life form.
	And we have the proof.
	Jose Escamilla has the proof.
	And tonight, if you're able to get That's what I'm saying.
	If you don't have G2 yet in your computer, scurry on up to my website and download it.
	Get it installed because next hour we're going to begin playing the Rods video as we tell everybody else on the radio about Rods.
	We're going to be providing the visual proof.
	And it is a mind blower.
	I mean, nothing short of a mind blower.
	My wife sat there with me tonight going, Holy smokes!
	Only it wasn't smokes.
	As we watched.
	So that's coming up next hour.
	You don't want to miss it.
	Let's see what's in the news tonight.
	Here is Jose Escamilla.
	Jose, welcome to the program.
	Hello, Art.
	How are you?
	Oh, I'm fine.
	Where are you, Jose?
	I'm here in Van Nuys, California.
	Van Nuys.
	I moved here in January.
	Okay.
	From Denver, and it's good to be back home, basically.
	Well, it's good to have you here.
	Jose, before airtime, I sat down with my wife, Ramona, and I watched the Rod's videotape, and my jaw hit the floor.
	From the early days of your research, to what you have now produced, and the evidence you now have, Is unblinking believable.
	I mean, it's just, it's just incredible.
	We're going to have to, I guess, start from the beginning because you've got to, though many may have heard you in your prior appearances, it's been a long time and I've probably got about 200 more affiliates than I did then, so.
	That's great.
	Thank you.
	So if you would, Jose, how did you stumble into what we call rods?
	Okay, back in 1994, March 5th, 1994, I was in Roswell, New Mexico visiting my mom and
	my sister who still reside there.
	I originally grew up in Roswell and I've lived in Los Angeles for 20 years working the entertainment
	business as a film and video editor.
	And you know, after the Northridge earthquake, I went home to see my mom and my little sister,
	you know.
	And March 5th, 1994, I get a phone call from Midway, New Mexico, which is nine miles south
	of Roswell.
	And they tell me there's UFO activity out there.
	So I bring the video camera and I film 16 minutes of what I thought would be the only
	UFO experience I'd ever have.
	And you know, being a film and video editor, I can tell you that...
	I mean, I saw the UFOs there in the first place, you know, with the naked eye.
	Right.
	And, you know, I started looking at the footage frame by frame, and I thought, man, this is amazing!
	This is the first time I've ever been involved in anything like this.
	So, I was back there on Saturday, March 19th, and it was about 2 in the afternoon, and I started filming again, you know, making a promo for hard copy is what it was.
	I was making a promo trying to show what happened on March 5th.
	And something passed by and I could see it in the viewfinder.
	I kept thinking, and you can hear me verbalize on the original video, I said, that's a bug, that's a bird, that's a bug.
	Things were zipping by that I could detect in the viewfinder.
	When I started looking at the video and started queuing the video up to make this promo, I noticed that there was something that flew by that looked like a snake in the sky.
	And I go, well, you know, that must have been an insect.
	But then I had an insect that passed by and then a bird.
	and then this thing that looked like a serpent, you know, a snake coming from across the road.
	And I go, well, wait a minute, that doesn't make sense here.
	Here's an insect, here's a bird, what the heck is this, you know? So after that I started
	making sure that I was actually capturing something that was definitely not known, you know, by
	normal means. I mean, I can tell you what an insect looks like or a bird, but these things were
	like flying snakes.
	So, you know, it intrigued me enough to where I started doing tests and creating protocols and... Okay, that was the early... Jose, I want to interrupt.
	That was the earliest you saw was something that you would equate to a flying snake?
	Right.
	Exactly.
	It had the movement of a serpent in the sky.
	A serpent in the sky?
	Which I'd never seen before, you know.
	Now, these are not things that we see with our naked eye, or... No, they are.
	You can definitely see them with the naked eye once you know they exist and once you know what they look like.
	You can definitely see them.
	As a matter of fact, people have probably seen them all along.
	They've just filtered them out as insects.
	You see them in your peripheral vision, don't you?
	Right.
	In your peripheral, or if you've ever seen Something that passed in front of your face so fast and you automatically think it was an insect or a bird, but then when you look in the direction that it traveled and there's nothing there... Or you dismiss it as an artifact of your own eye.
	In other words, we all have seen little weird things that our eyes seem to see, floating things.
	Exactly.
	But it's not that, is it?
	No.
	It's rods.
	There are things among us, man, and after the five years of research that we've done on these things, and you've got the footage, We know they're in our oceans, they're in our skies, and they are in our homes.
	And it's just an amazing thing that exists among us that we need to address, because it's a living entity of some kind that needs to be further studied scientifically.
	Were you surprised, Jose, when Ed Dames came on the program?
	I'm sure that it filtered back to you that he had come on the program, and out of the blue, I had not asked him to look at rods.
	He did it all on his own.
	Yeah, and you know, I got tons of emails the following day that said, Hey, Ed Dames said on our bill last night that he had remote viewed rides and that he definitely knew how to bring them in and things like this.
	I don't know the full story.
	Well, what he said was even more direct than that.
	He said, rods are a living, are an actual living organism coexisting with us on the planet,
	which is exactly, exactly what you have always said to me, Jose. Yes.
	So I contacted you and I said, God, we gotta do another show.
	And then you supplied me with this videotape and it blew my mind.
	I mean, now these rods that you've shown on the videotape and that are available on your website,
	for those who don't have streaming video, you can go to Jose's website,
	just go down to Jose's name, Jose Escamilla, as a guest on my program,
	click and you'll see some high definition photographs.
	And I think even moving video on your website.
	Is that correct?
	Yeah, I've set up real video archives.
	It's called the Rods Research Archives.
	They can tune in and as long as they have real video, streaming video, they can see clips from the old days up to
	now.
	Alright, let's see what we know about rods.
	How fast do rods move?
	Okay, at first we thought they were moving in the thousands and thousands of miles per hour,
	but after we've done our research, we found that small rods, anywhere from 4 inches up to maybe 4 feet in length,
	they travel probably in the hundreds of miles per hour.
	We're talking, I think at the most, maybe 150, 200 miles an hour.
	And they occasionally slow down even slower than that, and occasionally even hover, don't they?
	Exactly.
	We just got footage when I was in Mexicali, Mexico in April.
	We've got footage of two rods that actually stop for an instant and then they take off.
	They actually hover.
	And you saw the footage.
	I'm running it right now.
	I'm streaming video.
	I mean, it's incredible.
	We finally know more things about these things than we did before, you know, five years ago.
	Five years ago, I thought these things were alien probes or interdimensional craft and what have you.
	You know, I just had no clue.
	But I've been educated, you know, the last five years.
	And I've had a good team of people with me.
	Uh, Jim Peters, who is an Army specialist with computers, and also Ken Schwartz, who jumped on with us last year.
	He's a biologist and a professor.
	And Dr. Jack Kasher, who's a professor of physics out of Nebraska.
	They've been real integral in helping us Research this phenomenon like never before and I'm just
	totally blown away art man. You know I'm totally blown away Now the rods that you've been
	capturing of late Have taken on a very
	There could be two different kinds of rods or maybe there aren't
	There's rods that look just exactly like what it sounds, a rod, a straight rod, or even one that curls a little bit as it moves.
	But then, we've got these newer rods that, can you describe the shape of them and how they apparently move?
	Well, you know, we used to think that these things flew And they had tiny little wings along the torso that propelled them.
	And, you know, we thought they were globes of energy because, you know, some of them we thought they were actual craft.
	But, you know, we found out that they possess an undulatory membrane that runs along both sides of the torso and undulates much like the membrane of a cuttlefish in the ocean.
	And these things That's the way they seem to propel themselves, and I've given up the notion that they fly through the air.
	I say now, they swim through the air, because they're undulatory wave fins.
	They swim through the air.
	In other words, like a cuttlefish, it's kind of like they have little... What would you call those things?
	They're called undulatory wave fins.
	It's a membrane that... You know, it's a propulsion membrane.
	I mean, it's a real thin, translucent membrane.
	That actually creates undulations, and it's common in some fish that don't use their regular fins or their bodies to swim with.
	It's a very strange feature, but man, it works, you know?
	You've got an awful lot of research behind you now, so you want to venture a guess, what the hell are these, Jose?
	Gee, you know, I'm back to where I was back in 94.
	I don't have the clearest notion as to what they are.
	I just know that it's a living entity, life form of some kind that has the ability to traverse both mediums of liquids, and I'm talking the ocean and the sky.
	I mean, it has the ability to traverse both easily.
	Uh, without any effort, you know?
	In other words, they can go through things.
	They can go through the water, emerge into the ocean, come out of the ocean, and I don't know, they're just an incredible, incredible creature of some kind, unlike any other thing on the planet.
	And they can also, apparently, go into the earth and emerge from the earth, and they can apparently go through human beings and do so on a fairly regular basis.
	In fact, actually, they seem, in some cases, attracted to human beings, or do you think that's just an artifact of the fact that when we're taking video, we're frequently taking it of human beings, so we see it near them?
	Yeah, I don't think they go through them, per se, because I've investigated that one shot of what we thought that this one rod went through the woman's head.
	Remember that shot?
	Yeah, of course.
	Okay, well, I was with Barry Conrad last night, and I looked at the master footage and the rod object does not penetrate her head.
	What it does, it goes in front of her face.
	Okay, it's in front of her.
	Yeah, it's so translucent that you can't really see it right in front of her right eye.
	So it just makes a pass.
	And I think on the footage that I sent you last year from the smoking gun video, there was a rod that went right at a jumper that was jumping in.
	Right.
	It made an evasive maneuver to avoid contact with him.
	And then I sent you the footage that you have now of the little mariachi, the little boy dressed as a mariachi.
	Yes.
	This rod goes around the waist of the mariachi.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	You can see it on the screen.
	Around him.
	And you know, the little boy is singing and he raises his right hand just in time for the rod to pass around him without hitting him.
	I mean, how that rod knew to fly at that such velocity.
	Dr. Jack Kasher felt it was flying close to 95, maybe 100 miles an hour.
	Okay, for it to be able to maneuver around a little boy's waist without striking his right hand, I mean, that's incredible.
	Well, of course, in the beginning of your research, a lot of people said these are either birds or insects, correct?
	And that's exactly true.
	I mean, Mufon from Arizona, I remember when I was on your show the first time in 96, they said, you know, what Jose Escamilla's got here is nothing but insects, you know.
	You know, people have to realize, when I first jumped in on this investigation, I thought they were insects and birds, too.
	It wasn't until I started using my professional ability at looking at video and film in different perspectives that I realized, look, here's an insect, here's a bird, what the heck is this?
	And that's where it started changing for me, you know?
	And I'm telling you right now, The way the investigations have gone now, we've eliminated all the possibilities.
	I know.
	I mean, even Philip Glass.
	Okay, he did not even debunk us last year when we did the presentation at the symposium.
	Philip Glass, in fact, took notice and said, oh my, very interesting, didn't he?
	Yeah, he said, look, it's definitely not a hoax.
	He said, if it is a hoax, he definitely fooled me, you know?
	And you know, Mr. Class... For Phil Class, that's like an endorsement.
	Believe me, I know Phil.
	That's the first time he's ever not debunked something.
	Instead, he said, I'd like to see further evidence.
	Look, you too.
	Okay, well, that's what we've got, further evidence, and we're running it on streaming video right now.
	I'm going to continue to run it again and again so you can see it.
	All you need is a G2 player, go to my website, click on streaming video, and sit there and experience the wonderment.
	Something is living with us, folks, and we have the evidence.
	Another life form is living with us, and we didn't even know it.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	I am going to ask, uh, now we are running this video again and again on the streaming video, so when we begin to take calls, Which is going to be a while yet.
	I'm going to ask only those that have seen the video or been able to go to Jose Escamilla's website and see the moving video there, call in.
	Because you are going to have comments that I think are going to be of great value to the rest of the audience.
	Seeing is believing.
	And when you see this video, again, I guarantee it will blow your mind.
	So if you want to send me an email or a fax and you've seen it, In the streaming video, please, by all means, render your comments up, but when we do open the lines, we will restrict the lines to those who have seen the video, so that those of you who aren't, you know, the bulk of you obviously can't see it.
	Only a percentage with computers and so forth can really get a good look, the one we're offering right now, but their input to this program is going to be of obvious great value, because they will have seen with their own eyes.
	Otherwise, I would imagine this videotape or videotapes are available somehow.
	Jose, you make those available to the public, don't you?
	Yes, and you know the Smoking Gun video that I released last year is on hold right now because I'm now producing R.O.D.S.
	3.
	This is going to be the ultimate release on the video.
	I'm in production right now with it.
	I'm working closely with Creighton and with Adrian who have worked with John Breaux.
	These guys have captured some incredible stuff over here in Reseda.
	I'm telling you, I was there April 4th, 1999, taping, you know, using the technique, which... What is the technique?
	Why don't you tell everybody?
	Okay, John Brode developed a technique where you shoot into the sun, and you hide the sun, you know, the sun's corona with a canopy or something, you know?
	Yes.
	And these guys have been working closely with him for the last few years, and I was with them, and I swear to God, Art, One of the shots that I sent you that people are going to see is a rod that comes from inside the apartment where we were at, which is Adrian's apartment.
	And it's a translucent thing, and then it just zips by in two frames, and then I zoom in to the lower right corner, and then you can see the little undulation membrane thing.
	You know, it's illuminated by the sun.
	And these guys have captured some of the most incredible footage.
	We're producing, we're co-producing a couple of videos.
	I'm doing R.O.D.S.
	3, which is going to include a lot of their footage, and some of the newer stuff from Mexicali, Mexico, which, you know, the little mariachi dude and the other little kids that have R.O.D.S.
	flying by.
	But we're also doing a video called Sky Monsters.
	Sky Monsters.
	That's a great title.
	The Invisible Invasion.
	And these guys have not only captured rods, but they've also captured amoeba-looking craft.
	They've captured typical UFO stuff.
	Okay, let me stop you for a second.
	I'm certainly familiar with John Breaux's technique of the edge with the sun.
	Right.
	Now, some of what he captured, particularly some very striking photographs, appeared to be machines. Is there any possibility in your mind, because
	there is mine, that what appear to be machines are in fact rods?
	Well, you know, a lot of the stuff that they've been filming had a mechanical look to them.
	I've seen the photos, they do look like very high performance aircraft of a type that we haven't built yet is
	what they look like.
	Right, and you know under the cover of the sun they've managed to pick up shots of things that we would not ordinarily see with the naked eye or filming in regular modes.
	There are a lot of things that they're filming that are definitely different I think so.
	we would expect to see. But some of them could be rods, couldn't they? Oh yeah, they've captured
	an incredible amount of rod stuff that is just totally... I mean, they have brought
	out a way to film the undulations of the rods as we would like to look at them scientifically
	when we film. And they've done this shooting into the sun and a lot of the stuff they've
	captured, they've captured a lot of rods and they've also captured an incredible amount
	of unusual looking craft. And this is why I'm doing a thing with them called Sky Monsters,
	which is going to deliver a look at things that are in the skies that have to be addressed.
	I mean, there's things flying around us and among us that are of extraordinary... There's no doubt about it.
	I mean, I'm sitting here watching it.
	Now, these videotapes, is there anything they can get now?
	I like to let a guest plug whatever he's got, so... Okay.
	Well, here's what I'm doing.
	Since we're both in production right now, I'd like for everybody just to send me an email.
	Uh, at skyfish at pacbell.net, which is... Wait a minute, whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down.
	Skyfish at P-A-C-B-E-L-L dot net.
	They can find the email by reaching my website, you know, the Roswell Rods website.
	Right now we're in production on both videos and they won't be released until the latter
	part of June, early part of July.
	Alright, so you have nothing to sell right now, but you will.
	Yes, but I'm telling you right now, these are going to be the coup de grace of UFO videos
	ever released because we have an enormous amount, an enormous amount of footage that
	is just going to totally amaze people.
	All right, that's skyfish at packbell.net.
	Exactly.
	All right, they can email you there.
	Now, hopefully everybody's rushing up and watching the screaming video because I really want to get the comments of some of the people who are seeing all of this.
	It's one of those things that you've got to see, but again, to describe it for the rest of the audience, these are creatures that are here Now, all around us, how many rods would a person, for example, expect to see in any general area?
	In other words, I'm trying to get a sense or give the audience a sense of how many of these creatures are around us and how close.
	There are hundreds of them.
	I can estimate right now that there are hundreds... Within what kind of area?
	Within the close proximity of your face.
	At any given moment?
	At any given moment.
	They are so pervasive in their nature.
	I mean, whatever these things are, they have managed to exist among us for the last thousands of years or what have you.
	I have evidence that they've been around 10,000 years ago when the Aborigines were doing cave drawings.
	I'm sitting here watching a rod underwater right now.
	That is the most awesome shot.
	It was shot by National Geographic Explorer and it was shot in the Yucatan Peninsula in an underground cave, underwater cave, and that's the best shot of a rod object that has the undulatory wave fins.
	As we've always said, this is the way they propel themselves in the skies and underwater.
	I mean, it's right there.
	I mean, it's the most incredible thing I've ever seen.
	And this tells us But there is a specimen out there for us, you know, to finally find or capture because, you know, I've approached the Los Angeles Museum of Natural History.
	A lot of scientists, entomologists have always said, well, we need a specimen to work with.
	Well, that video that you're seeing right now, Art, is proof that there are specimens out there of rods.
	And it's the most spectacular footage I've ever seen.
	I mean, it is proof.
	I mean, it is proof.
	Now, to me, the only question is, for example, Are they or do they appear to be intelligent to any degree?
	And if so, how do you document that in their movement?
	The intelligence that entomologists and zoologists have put on them are saying, OK, we feel they're on the level of an intelligence of maybe a bird or an insect or maybe a dolphin.
	But, you know, these things are so incredibly fast.
	Quick thinking animals, whatever they are.
	I mean, for something to be able to fly 200 miles an hour, make a snap judgment, and make an immediate U-turn to avoid being captured by a swallow, or avoid hitting a human being.
	I mean, these things must be highly intelligent.
	Well, they do that.
	They avoid hitting human beings.
	That's in the video.
	You can see it.
	They chase birds.
	You can see that, or birds chase them.
	Birds chase them.
	Birds chase them, which means a bird sees them.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, I've said this before.
	There's a really... I've got a cute cat thing up on my website right now.
	We just got up tonight, but I've said this before.
	How many of you out there who are cat fanciers, as you know I am, have seen your cat chase across the room at seemingly nothing?
	You know, it's like cat craziness.
	You know, they're making up things in their mind and chasing after them.
	Well, maybe they're not making up anything.
	Maybe they're just chasing something they see and we don't.
	I've got to tell you something, Art.
	You know, the last time I was on your show was last July.
	July 18th last year, 17th or 18th last year.
	There was a gentleman out of Pennsylvania that videotaped his cat after you said, you know, cats jump at things.
	And guess what he caught?
	He caught a rod.
	That his cat was jumping at.
	Oh, you're kidding.
	I have not gotten the footage yet.
	He says, I've got it on video.
	I'm going to send it to you.
	And I've been waiting for it now for about a month.
	But he says, I have my cat on video in my house leaping at a rod.
	He's got this on video.
	And you brought that about because, I mean, I wouldn't have thought of filming a cat.
	I don't own a cat, you know?
	Well, I do.
	And I watch them all the time chase things that are sort of like cat imaginary objects.
	And you laugh and you say, look at that crazy cat.
	Maybe they're not so crazy at all.
	Exactly.
	And this guy supposedly has a shot of his cat leaping at a rod, snapping at it with his paws, and this rod just zips by.
	So I've been waiting on the footage, and believe me, Art, you're going to be the first one to get the copy of that footage once I get it, because you're the one that brought that out.
	You know, that analysis.
	I'll be damned.
	I'll be damned.
	That's cool.
	Listen, now, even though rods are new to us, Jose, The fact of the matter is, they may have been here for all we know, longer than man's walked on Earth, and they may be here when we're gone!
	Yeah.
	I mean, they're, here's one of the things, their metabolic rate, I mean, when I say that,
	I mean, I'm talking scientific terms here because I learned these off of some of the zoologists,
	but they're saying, you know, for a creature to be able to fly or swim through the air
	as fast as these things go, they're burning up an enormous amount of energy.
	Yes.
	And whether they are light-bodied creatures or what, their metabolic rate is so far advanced
	than any creature or human being on the planet.
	I mean, they said the enzymes that these things may possess may have the secrets, you know,
	to a lot of the cures that we need, you know, cures for cancer, heart disease,
	You have the smoking gun evidence of these creatures.
	what their enzymes may produce for a certain amount of time.
	Is there any scientific way, Jose, for us to pursue them beyond where you have gone?
	You have the smoking gun evidence of these creatures.
	They're obviously, they're real.
	But where do we go from here with this research?
	If we want to know more about these creatures, what branch of science is supposed to be going for it?
	Well, I think NASA should go for it, Cornell University, MIT.
	I mean, National Geographic.
	I mean, we've approached them for funding for the expedition.
	What we want to do is We've always looked for a place where these things are appearing daily and we're guaranteed to capture or see them on video.
	Where they're abundant.
	Abundant.
	And the cave in Mexico is a habitat for these things.
	We know they're there all the time.
	They live in the cave?
	Is that fair to say?
	Yes.
	Or they exist in the cave for whatever reason it is.
	They're there all the time.
	We've had footage from a cave from five different video production crews that have been there the last five years.
	That's in here too.
	Would you explain to people exactly what's on that footage?
	If they were, draw a mental picture of the whole cave story and just sort of lay it out for us without the video.
	Okay, here's the best way to put it.
	Imagine walking up the street and you come up to a sinkhole in the middle of the street.
	that is straight down, it's a 165 foot diameter hole that all of a sudden appeared in the street
	and it's 1600 feet deep. That's what the cave that we're talking about, it's a cave that's just a
	vertical cave, a vertical drop into the earth that's in a remote region in northern Mexico
	and these rods are there all the time, day and night. So we want to go to the cave and I've been
	been trying to get funding, Art, and you don't hear...
	Here's one of the things.
	For the last five years, I've had to struggle with the small resources that we had, out-of-pocket expenses and everything else, trying to put together an expedition and get the funding necessary to get the high-speed camera equipment, thermographics, and all the scientific instrumentation we need.
	Yeah, this kind of research costs a lot of money, doesn't it?
	It sure does, yeah.
	I just don't have the resources, personally.
	And we want to go down there and do a scientific controlled study.
	This is the way to get closer to solving the riddle of this phenomenon.
	We'd be able to find out what kind of heat traces they exhort, what kind of propulsion system they really have, because we'd be able to film with high-speed camera as never before.
	Uh, and it's been very, very difficult.
	Nobody wants to jump in and help us with this.
	The National Geographic Society said, well... Why not?
	They said, we only fund expeditions with accredited, you know, professors of universities and things.
	I'm not accredited.
	I am not a... Yes, maybe so, Jose, but once you have presented them with undeniable evidence of the existence of A whole new life form, which is what this is.
	How can they not go out and find an accredited scientist to go with you on this expedition?
	Isn't it that important?
	Well, that's the stumbling block we've had to deal with, and so far we've already submitted again, and we haven't gotten an answer, and time passes.
	Well, they're idiots, then, because that's the equivalent of NASA suddenly discovering life in a rock from Mars.
	Maybe even more.
	I mean, it's right here, and these are living creatures coexisting with mankind on Earth.
	That's not a small story, Jose.
	I know.
	And believe me, I think I have exhausted all my resources.
	I mean, I'm at the point of bankruptcy anymore.
	I mean, it's just gotten to a point where, look, I just can't do anything else anymore.
	I need the funding to get over there, and I have credible scientists that will come with us and make the revolutionary discoveries about these things, because I swear to God, Art, these things Have a place on our planet and in our history.
	I mean, whatever these things are, whatever they do, whatever their purpose is, and however they affect us, is of great importance.
	We need to find out.
	And you don't really know any of that.
	You've been able to study rod behavior, rod flight, rod movement.
	You've proven they exist.
	But beyond that, we don't know a hell of a lot about them, do we?
	No.
	I mean, we don't know how they affect us.
	We don't know if they're beneficial to us, if they affect us emotionally, if they affect us physically, or, you know, whatever.
	We just don't know.
	We don't know what they are.
	We don't know what they're doing here, where they came from, what their purpose is.
	We just know that they are there.
	And they could either be beneficial or detrimental to us.
	Exactly.
	They're a very pervasive type of entity that exists among us that is there, and nothing can stop them as far as we know.
	You know?
	I mean, even... Alright, here's a question.
	Can anything capture one of them?
	In other words, would it be possible under some circumstance to actually... You would think you could, for example, go to the cave, get a giant metal box, Well, that's the curious thing about science.
	I mean, you know, we're dealing with an unknown entity, so we don't know what it's going to take to capture one.
	It's going to be trial and error, just like it's been with video capturing of them.
	It's been trial and error until we found a way to capture them where it's irrefutable that they exist.
	So now, we have to attempt to capture something that we can barely see with And we're going to have to use traps and different techniques.
	All right, let me ask this.
	Is there any indication that they exist more frequently around power lines or lights or street lights or...
	Electrical things, or what do you know?
	Okay, I've got to tell you something very curious.
	All right, all right, I'm sorry.
	Look, I just realized we're at the top of the hour, so it's a good place to hang everybody up.
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	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
	And you're sure on a ride tonight.
	As a matter of fact, I think you're witnessing broadcast history tonight.
	We've got streaming video, which has always enabled you to sort of sit here and look at my talking head
	and hear me.
	But tonight, for the first time, a man with incredible claims
	is presenting incredible evidence right on my streaming video,
	along with the radio program.
	The Internet, as an adjunct to a radio program, it's probably the clearest, best case of it yet in the history of radio and the Internet.
	So what I'm doing is repeating this.
	It's about 11 minutes long.
	And it's showing you... What it's showing you, ladies and gentlemen, is a species of creature that you can barely see.
	Most people can't see unless you know to start looking.
	And after you see this, you sure will.
	We're sharing the world with another creature.
	A creature that flies, or more likely, as Jose would say, swims through the atmosphere at incredible speeds, perhaps hundreds of miles per hour, and is sharing the planet and the space with us, and they're all around us.
	They're everywhere.
	They really are here.
	Imagine that.
	Anyway, I'm going to keep running this, and again I tell you, when we open up the phone lines, which is going to be shortly, probably in the next segment, we are going to allow just those of you who have seen the video with your own eyes, this night, Or the pictures on Jose's site to call in so that you can share with the rest of the audience that doesn't have it your impressions of what you're seeing.
	Now I'm beginning to get emails and faxes and so I'll start to fit those into the program too.
	It's a non-trivial matter.
	An entire species all around us sharing the planet with us.
	That we didn't even know about.
	My friends, I want to tell you about mine.
	A thoroughly non-trivial one.
	With a great deal of visual proof.
	Rods.
	Creatures.
	Monsters.
	Uh, we really don't know what they are, do we?
	But we know they're alive.
	And we know they're all around us.
	And we know we share the planet with them.
	And we don't know a lot more.
	But there are some questions, um, Jose.
	I'm going to open the line to people who have seen the video.
	Uh, which should be very interesting because that'll give the rest of the audience sort of an idea of how impressive all this is to let them react.
	Now, in the meantime, here's one.
	Dan from Vancouver, BC.
	Could you ask Jose if these rods are mostly seen outdoors or have they been equally observed indoors?
	Also, Well, go ahead and answer that one first.
	Okay, first of all, they're definitely outdoors.
	And we've only uncovered footage of them being indoors the last three years.
	But yeah, they're everywhere.
	These things are everywhere.
	All right, next question.
	If these rods can achieve speeds, you said, hundreds of miles per hour, one might imagine they even break the sound barrier or might go that fast.
	Wouldn't we hear a small sonic boom?
	Yes, we do have sounds of them.
	In the Smoking Gun Evidence video that I released last year, we featured the first rod sounds that were recorded on video, and it's like a snapping sound.
	So, it's like a quick, a real quick... So there is a sound then?
	There is a sound that they play.
	Oh, now I'm glad I asked.
	I had no idea.
	I hadn't heard that before.
	Yeah.
	Alright, here's another one.
	Hi Art.
	I watched the rods video of the 28K Connection, and overall, not bad.
	The rods are indeed clear enough to see.
	They look pretty cool, the way they fly around people, almost like they're playing.
	If someone could capture one, that would be awfully cool, too.
	I agree with Brian.
	Thank you, Brian.
	If somebody could capture one, it would be cool.
	But in the meantime, he's right.
	You know, around the people that are seen in the video singing, for example, they seem to be I'm not sure if playing is the right word, but obviously attracted to that person, or what's going on, or the sound, or something.
	Well, here's the thing.
	You know, we could always cap and say, hey, maybe they like mariachi music, you know?
	Yeah.
	Maybe they groove on that kind of thing, but that's not the case.
	What was happening, this footage was shot last August, 1998, and I was in Mexicali in April, and the producers that filmed the shot that you're seeing there, I had no idea rods existed, of course, you know, until I did the presentation this last April.
	Right.
	And I told them, I said, look, you know, I can guarantee if you go home and watch videos that you've taken before, you'll probably catch rods in it.
	And the next day, because I had a two-day presentation, the next day this one guy came up.
	He says, man, I was involved in this production of mariachis and charros at this one ranch, and there were these things all over the place.
	And let me tell you the strange thing about this.
	They had these halogen lights, real bright halogen lights.
	Right.
	And they said that things kept snapping into the lights, burning up.
	Insects usually, right?
	You would imagine.
	Yeah, and you know, they said, well, you know, the curious thing about it is, you know, insects usually smell very foul when they burn up.
	Yes, right.
	Okay, they said that the stench that they smelled was not sour at all.
	It smelled like somebody was burning steaks.
	They said it was really weird.
	They said, look, it's really weird.
	Rod steaks.
	Yeah, it was like somebody was burning a steak.
	You know, having a barbecue or something.
	Jose, you don't suppose if one were to gather enough rods, one could get a small meal?
	I'm looking at this and I'm saying, oh no, vampire rod.
	I mean, God, what smells like steak is blood, man.
	Alright, here's another one.
	Arne, I saw the video.
	Fantastic.
	The rods look like they are different colors.
	Is that true?
	That's true.
	We have them yellow, green, orange, red.
	Dark brown, light brown, and white.
	All right, here's a man who goes on then to ask a couple of pretty interesting questions.
	If rods are alive, and they sure seem to be, then they must eat something.
	Is there any indication of what they eat?
	Okay, this is one of the things that one of the entomologists and biologists was looking at.
	He said, look, in order for these things to burn the amount of energy they burn at such high velocities... They've got to consume energy.
	They have to consume something.
	Yes.
	Okay, so I don't know, maybe they would have to eat something that is palatable to them that would be small enough and light enough that they could just zip in.
	You don't suppose, Jose, there's rod cannibalism, do you?
	Well, I don't know.
	In other words, have you ever caught a video or a frame of a rod apparently merging with another rod?
	We do.
	We have rods that seem to connect and then disconnect.
	I mean, this happened in Mexicali.
	I was there.
	I was filming these things and it looked like they were going.
	That could be a rod sexual interlude.
	Yeah, it could be a rod party or something.
	But you know what you're doing, Art?
	By presenting Rods Live, On the radio and visually, you're doing the same thing Orson Welles did, except we're taking it a step further.
	This is the real stuff.
	Yeah, it's a real thing.
	This is like War of the Worlds.
	On radio, in real time video.
	Think about it.
	I am thinking about it.
	It is a first that we're doing.
	You know, this one just hit me like minutes before air time.
	Well, actually an hour.
	And I called you one hour before and I said, can I play the tape on the air?
	Because I can do it.
	Yeah, by all means.
	I mean, this is like War of the Worlds, but in real tense.
	I mean, this is the real thing that people are seeing.
	It is the real thing.
	Now, here's another question.
	How big Would you judge the largest rod to be, in other words, between the smallest and the largest, is there a big difference?
	Or have you no way of measuring accurately?
	Okay, just with the single camera shots that we have, the largest rod we've seen on video is behind the clouds.
	And most of its torso is covered by the cover of the cloud.
	And you have the point, the front end and the back end, shining through both sides of the cloud.
	So this sucker must have been at least 200 feet in length.
	200 feet.
	Yeah, at least.
	And traveling at higher velocity.
	Now we're talking about an object that's 200 feet in length, and that on two frames of video at 30 frames per second, about 2,000 feet above the earth, traveling at such a velocity, that one would have been traveling at thousands of miles per hour as opposed to hundreds.
	You know, if you look at the weight and the length ratio, that sucker must have been going real fast.
	All right, here's another really good question for you, Jose.
	The person writes, it is hard to see in the video, but is it possible with good shots to virtually see inside rods?
	Can you actually look through them?
	Are they semi-transparent?
	Do you see any structure within them?
	Okay, the shot that they see there with the door frame that was taken April 4th over at Adrian's house, that's definitely a rod that's translucent.
	It's a dark streak.
	A dark streak. It's a dark streak. It's translucent. You can see the, you know, the top of the door jam there, but
	they're definitely translucent. We feel that they are highly translucent. The membrane is translucent and the way
	the sun shines on them. Maybe sometimes they're against clouds or the blue sky and they appear dark brown or
	something, but they're definitely translucent.
	I mean, it gives us an indication of the body.
	Well, I think what the person wants to know is, in other words, if we're seeing a creature, then there would be some internal structure.
	So is there anything like that that you see in the somewhat translucent ones?
	Yeah, no, not as yet.
	We haven't seen the workings inside them per se.
	But, uh, they definitely are translucent.
	I mean, we've got a lot of shots of rods that you can see right through them.
	They just look like a dark streak.
	And, you know, and this is where a lot of people, a lot of our critics have said, well, it's just an insect that's streaking across the camera real close to the lens, you know, and it's causing this artifact, but it's not an artifact.
	It's a real thing.
	Well, yeah, it is a real thing.
	Here's somebody who writes, uh, hi Art, this is William.
	From Portland.
	The video of the rods is fantastic.
	You know, it's weird.
	Now that I see the tape of them, it brings up memories of seeing these things out of the corner of my eye.
	Since they must be intelligent, it makes me wonder if they have the ability to physically block us.
	from seeing them in normal day-to-day lives?
	Or is it just, you know, an artifact of the way their physical existence is that we don't see them?
	In other words, if they're material things, then like insects, shouldn't we be able to see them normally?
	And we can't, so why not?
	Well, you should.
	I mean, people... How many times have you looked for a bumblebee?
	I mean, you don't see them all the time.
	You know they exist.
	You know they're there.
	But, you know, occasionally you'll see a bumblebee pass by or a June bug or something.
	Yep.
	These things, maybe, you know, one of the titles that I had for a video was called Invisible Invasion.
	I mean, here we are, doing our normal day routines, okay?
	I was sitting in Burbank here one time at a friend's patio, and I see rods all over the place.
	I'm looking in the sky.
	People walking in the street, looking at me, looking up.
	They look up.
	They see nothing.
	They keep on going about their business.
	And I'm over here, and I'm going, man, nobody sees what I'm seeing.
	I mean, it's like an invisible invasion.
	I mean, if you really look at it, these things, maybe they don't want to be seen, or maybe they don't care, you know?
	It's just that we... Or maybe the very nature of their existence doesn't lend itself to our particular spectrum of vision.
	Exactly.
	Now, here's kind of a negative fact from Minnesota.
	Let's deal with it.
	It says, no offense, Art, But if these things are real, then why don't we see them around you on the streaming video?
	In other words, when I have my cameras going, it says, with all the real video on major networks, why haven't they ever shown up there?
	Well, they have.
	You know, a lot of people have to realize that... I mean, I was looking at a golf tournament, for example.
	There was rods flying all over the balls that were in the sky, okay?
	And I mean, they're there.
	It's just that people don't think about it.
	I mean, how can I explain this?
	Also, streaming video, you know, when you're doing a live video cam, you're not really getting real-time 30 frames per second.
	No, and I'm not using, that's absolutely correct, I'm not.
	Yeah.
	So, you know, these things travel in 1 to 2 to 5 frames out of 30 frames per second.
	So that tells you the speed at which they're going.
	Yeah.
	So you may not see them.
	I mean, if you're going to train on streaming video, I'd suggest stream, you know, train your eyes on your home videos and look at TV.
	And if you see something that passed by look like an insect, rewind the tape and go frame by frame.
	If it's an insect, it'll appear as it is.
	But if it's an elongated thing, you just saw a rod.
	And I'm seeing rods all the time.
	I mean, I like the way you describe them as swimming in our atmosphere, and that is exactly What it looks like they're doing.
	Some people might say flying, but it's more like, it is more like swimming, isn't it?
	Exactly.
	I mean, for a long time I said, are these things flying?
	Or are they swimming?
	They appear to be swimming through the air as opposed to flying.
	And, you know, with the undulatory wave fin, I don't see how an object could have a membrane like that and fly.
	I mean, it just doesn't make sense.
	But if it has enough of a light body, and the membrane is undulating the way it is, maybe it's
	adapted to a swimming fashion through the liquid atmosphere.
	Or could we suggest that this creature, we've got to open our minds and imagine that its physical existence is
	different than ours.
	So it may well be that for these creatures, our air, made up of what it is, our air...
	Yeah.
	Is to them like water is to us.
	Exactly.
	I mean, that's the only way I can make sense of it.
	Until we actually catch or find a specimen that we can do tests on, we won't know how they do it.
	But I guarantee you, now that we saw that underwater footage taken by National Geographic Explorer, there's a specimen of a rod-like object.
	And I'm not saying it's a rod.
	I'm just saying it's a rod-like object because I always have to protect my Integrity.
	Sure.
	It's a rod-like object that has all the indications of being the same type of object that we've seen in the skies.
	And it has an undulatory wavekin that propels it underwater.
	Okay?
	And these things seem to have been adapted to the liquid of the air.
	You know, the liquid air that we call the skies.
	And they swim through it.
	I mean, they'd have to.
	There's no way any creature could fly that fast.
	And do the maneuvers they do.
	You know?
	Blinding speed.
	I mean, It's amazing.
	Well, in our traditional understanding of swimming, there's no way a human being can swim as fast as a human being can run through, you know, run down the road through the air.
	Exactly.
	Right?
	So it makes it a little hard to understand that they're able to swim faster than they could fly.
	Yeah.
	To our traditional thinking, that wouldn't make sense.
	I mean, you have things you have to deal with with air.
	You have drag.
	You have You know, when you're flying through the air, airplanes have a lot of drag, man.
	I mean, they have to fight gravity.
	Alright, listen.
	You're exactly right.
	Jose, what we're going to do now is we're going to take a break.
	Okay.
	And when we come back from the break, I'm going to now open the lines, all my lines, to anybody who has seen the video.
	If you've seen the video and you have questions and you have comments, then I want you to call me right now.
	Everybody else, This is your chance to get a picture of what people who have actually now seen this think.
	We're continuing to run it on streaming video, so if you've seen it, call me.
	If you haven't seen it, just lay back and listen to those who have.
	Because they're here.
	They're all around us.
	Everywhere.
	I'm Art Bell.
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	Starting over on the red cloud away It's like magic And then Roger makes him spin a slide, it's magic
	Shifty Shifting away from the crash
	Out of the way, bitch like magic Oh, the woman roddeli
	She's been a slave of smile Oh, and she's been a slave of smile
	And you, and you spin the slide Airport
	To reach our goal in the kingdom of my from west of the rocky dial
	Amelia is my guest He has presented evidence and is presenting evidence of a
	life form living all around us right now A life form sharing the planet with us
	It's really rather undeniable I suggest you get the G2 player
	Go up and click on streaming video and take a look for yourself.
	I am now soliciting calls from those of you who have seen the video so that you will be able to intelligently exclaim to the audience what it is you think you've seen and ask intelligent questions and you will therefore of course serve the audience with your own comments and your own questions since you have seen So I'm going to restrict my lines to those who have seen the video or been on Jose's web page and seen it there.
	The white LED flashlight.
	Cast history.
	You know, I love my credit card.
	I'll proceed to telephones and there's a... Well, I guess we are in one second, Jose.
	There's somebody who writes and says, Art, I've reviewed the Rod's video several times and I'm absolutely baffled.
	While these objects appear to be actually representing some sort of living, flying organism, I'm a bit skeptical about the authenticity of the rods.
	I host an outdoor TV show, which is broadcast into a hundred million TV households every week, July through March.
	I'm a fairly proficient videographer and video editor.
	I state this, um, Uh, so you might know that I'm fully aware that video images can easily be manipulated to appear differently from what they actually have captured on the original videotape.
	Exactly.
	So, do you want to respond to that?
	Sure.
	Um, I'm an editor too, okay?
	And before I even put this out to the public, I need to make, you know, I needed to make sure that I was not making a, you know, a butt out of me or a joke.
	I mean, I'm not going to release stuff out there to try to fool the public.
	This is obviously a fantastic claim, although you are presenting fantastic evidence.
	Now, everybody knows you can manufacture evidence.
	That's true.
	And, you know, one of the major things that I did in order to Disavow any of that type of claim is that I started having other people shoot videos using the protocol that I developed, the Skyfishing Protocol, which guarantees that what you see is what you get.
	And that's where we started getting footage from other sources.
	And this allowed us to prove that, look, we're not hoaxing this.
	I mean, we would not gain anything by, you know, pulling the wool over the public's eyes.
	Editors just like me have come up to me and said, how come I didn't see them?
	And I said, well, you just didn't bother to take a real look.
	You know, I mean, I've had editors that said, you know, I've seen things, but I always, you know, thought they were insects and what.
	Or film artifacts or, you know, who knows, whatever.
	Well, that's the way I looked at it, too.
	And believe me, I can tell you what a video artifact is.
	I can tell you what a glitch is.
	I can tell you what film and Muslim stains are.
	These things are doing slight patterns within videos that are taken that are From all different angles and viewpoints, I mean, there's no way anyone could fake this, number one.
	Number one, I'm going to tell you, I am not faking it.
	It is definitely something that's there.
	I've had other people that are professionals in the video industry that have looked at the footage and they said, look, this is not a video artifact.
	We have even done tests using the VX1000 Sony cameras to try to disprove The camera artifact theory that, okay, if a fast-moving object travels at such a high velocity, it'll cause a blur even at 1-10,000 shutter settings, which is art coup de grace in filming rods.
	We've proven that, I've got it on the website, the CCD test with the Sony VX1000, where even using digital zoom, we shot an arrow into the air, basically, using a crossbow.
	A 150-pound crossbow that shot an arrow that's six and a half inches in length, And what you see is what you get.
	No matter whether you film 10 feet away, 100 feet away, using digital zoom, what you see is what you get with these camcorders.
	I mean, they do not lie.
	Here, here.
	Alright, here's one, and then we'll go to phones.
	Art, have we ever found any remains of a dead rod?
	Okay, I think, and after seeing the National Geographic Explorer footage of the underwater rod, I feel that there is in some laboratories somewhere in some museum
	archive there's probably a specimen of a dead rod
	that they've named as an unknown jelly plankton type fish or something
	the people that were shooting in Mexicali last August they had these things that were zapping the lights
	They dumped all the carcasses in the sand and crushed them.
	They thought they were just some kind of weird insect.
	But they did not know about rods.
	Okay, so, I know there's specimens out there.
	Alright, Jose, let's take a few calls.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Art Bell and Jose Escamilla.
	Hello there.
	Hi.
	Hi, where are you?
	Susan from the Silicon Forest, otherwise known as Portland, Oregon.
	Portland, Oregon.
	Alright, Susan, have you been able to see what we're... Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, I've watched it about six times over.
	Okay, and what are your impressions?
	Well, first thing is, it's interesting to notice that a swallow, a bird, would notice it and chase it around a bush and, you know, fly around chasing it down.
	Exactly.
	Okay, now, but the thing is, part of your film footage shows a woman just sitting there, and this thing is whizzing by.
	It's at least, what, an inch or two in length.
	It's about four inches in length.
	Okay, now if it's whipping like just an inch or two from her face, and yet she didn't flinch or notice it.
	Exactly.
	Why is that?
	Her name was Kathy Hernandez, and this was at a haunted house in San Pedro.
	She was the focus of a haunting that was going on in this house that she lived in.
	And that's why they were taping.
	That's why they were taping.
	That shot was taken by Barry Conrad and Dr. Barry Taff, who you've had on your show.
	And they thought they were ghost lights at first.
	And I said, guys, what you filmed were rods, man.
	So she was seeing these things, I mean, she didn't see them.
	They were zipping around her face and she didn't see it.
	Yeah.
	How about the three men, the three Mexican men, the men in the sombrero?
	Mm-hmm.
	In fact, I'm looking at it right now as I speak.
	Yeah.
	They didn't see it at all?
	No.
	I mean, I noticed them backing away, but... No, these guys were doing a mariachi extravaganza show, you know, for cable TV there in Mexicali, and they had no idea.
	You know, they passed them off as insects.
	I was there at that location.
	We actually set up lights.
	Uh, in April, and I could actually see him with the naked eye zipping by.
	We caught a lot of them on video, and it was just like, they're so freaking fast, man.
	How do you catch one of these things?
	But I saw them there at that same location.
	It's another habitat, I feel.
	Well, it's just interesting that a swallow or a bird would notice it and chase it down.
	Or a cat.
	How about a cat?
	How about a cat?
	I've got footage coming from Pennsylvania from a gentleman that videotapes his cat, uh, The last time I was on Art Bell was last July and this guy said, I'm going to set up my camera with my cat because he's always doing crazy things.
	And he sent me an email and said, Jose, I caught a rod that my cat was chasing and he couldn't catch it.
	And I'm still waiting to see the footage.
	I mean, this is all I've gotten over emails.
	OK, so until I get the footage and visualize it myself, I really can't present it.
	But according to this guy, he said, hey, I followed Art's, you know, Art's groove there.
	I set up the camera, and sure enough, I caught a rod inside the house that my cat was jumping at.
	Hey Art, I thought I'd mention that.
	I wonder if that cat in the garage was chasing one down, because he sure made a wreck.
	Oh, wasn't that funny?
	That was really hilarious.
	Hard to say I've ever seen beyond it.
	We need video to prove it, right?
	That's right, we've got video to prove it.
	Well, good to see you back on.
	Thank you, ma'am.
	Take care.
	Alright, here's one for you.
	Art, please ask Jose.
	Okay, no we haven't.
	We want to do that.
	That's why we want to perform the Rod's Expedition.
	And Art, as you know, and your listeners should know, film is very expensive to process.
	And we need a budget, and we do have a budget.
	So if anyone's out there that says, look, let's get to the bottom of it, I am open, man.
	You know me, Art.
	Yes, I do.
	I present it as it is.
	All right, here's another one then for you, and this is a really good one, too.
	The question is, why haven't we ever seen rods on windshields?
	You know how when you get a million bugs on your windshield, right?
	Okay.
	Well, here's what I'd offer before you even say anything.
	Look folks, you know on a long trip, you end up with a gazillion bugs smashed on your window.
	But you also end up with tiny, tiny little streaks of something.
	And how do you know that all those little teeny ones are bugs?
	Maybe they're rods!
	Yeah.
	I'll tell you something that happened to us last year.
	Me and Jim Peters and Ken Schwartz, who's a biologist, we were going to an X-Files premiere, the first X-Files episode in Colorado.
	It had been snowing, it was really cold outside.
	We were driving and something hit the windshield.
	I thought it was a bat or a bird.
	And it left a trace, you know, water trace, whatever.
	Something else.
	over and all of a sudden the trace of something hit in the windshield and it
	was a dark looking thing and it was it was cold outside so we ruled out an
	insect we thought it was a bird it left a trace something and hit the
	windshield but then it vanished I mean it dissipated so you know we breathe
	air on the windshield and we could see traces of something and hit it but there
	was no blood there was no feathers I mean, who are they?
	Well, rods, we don't know what they are, but they don't appear to have blood, do they?
	No, they don't, as far as I know.
	And I've seen little, tiny, white, or almost translucent traces on my windshield that I wouldn't have given a second thought to.
	Yeah, I mean, you automatically think, how do you know what hit your windshield?
	You don't.
	You don't.
	Can you name a species that hit your windshield?
	You can't.
	And there's something that hits your windshield sometimes.
	I know your exact story.
	That is really hard to take off your windshield.
	Here, here, here.
	Impossible almost.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Jose Escamilla and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	How you doing?
	Alright, sir.
	Where are you?
	I'm in North Carolina.
	North Carolina.
	Have you seen the Rods video?
	Yes, I did.
	It was fantastic.
	What do you make of it?
	Do you have any... Well, I've done a little...
	I've always been one to look up in the sky and I'd see images and I got a video camera about a year ago and I did an experiment and I filmed the moon for several hours and go back and slow it down.
	Right.
	And I wanted to ask him also, I know there's bats and bugs in the summertime but I did this during the winter and I saw one of these things in my video after I slowed it down.
	Wow.
	It's the only time I've ever seen it.
	I just thought it was, you know, this makes me feel a whole lot better because my friends thought I was nuts.
	Well, you know what?
	Tell your friends you're in the same circle with me, man, and I know I'm a nut, so you know what to do.
	I mean, I really like your show, Art.
	You're a fantastic person.
	Okay, thank you, my friend.
	Listen, email me with your address.
	I'd like to see that video.
	Okay, okay.
	You got it.
	All right.
	All right.
	Would you give out your email address again, please?
	Okay.
	Skyfish, that's S-K-Y-S-I-S-H.
	Right.
	At packbell.net.
	P-A-C-B-E-L-L.net.
	All right.
	That's skyfish at packbell.net, right?
	Right.
	Maybe.
	This is a completely non-trivial story.
	I mean, this is a really, really big story.
	Exactly.
	You know, one of the things that has hurt me, Art, is Roswell Rods.
	I've connected it with Roswell, New Mexico, and the reason being is in 1996, when I was setting up the website, RODS was taken by a company that sells fishing lines.
	Okay, rods.com.
	And I said, well, I discovered them over Midway and Roswell, New Mexico.
	So I'll call them Roswell Rods.
	And, you know, that kind of puts it in the fringe areas.
	And it kind of has hurt me a little bit in promoting it to scientists.
	But the evidence speaks for itself.
	And I do have a lot of scientists that are very interested in going further with the study.
	It's just that I have to make the move to bring them to that next level.
	I mean, they're not going to do it on their own.
	I mean, it's very hard.
	And, you know, a case like this, If it would have been a typical UFO case where it was a random event where we had a UFO land and you know we've got all that kind of thing it would be very difficult but we're talking about something that is as pervasive as any insect or bird in the world and these things are very real and it's just been difficult and I think we will eventually get over the hurdle if somebody's out there that wants to help out by all means please
	I really appreciate all the information you bring out.
	Have you seen the video?
	Yes, I have.
	It's a really great video.
	I had a couple of questions for him real quick.
	It seems like a lot of them move pretty fast and a lot of times you have to slow the video down to really get a good look at what they are and stuff.
	I was wondering if you'd be able to see them in real life or something, if you'd be able to distinguish that they were actually rods and not just a regular... I think the answer to that is yes.
	You will be able to see them after the video.
	They're obviously, anybody who's looking at the video obviously knows they are not insects.
	This is something else entirely.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and Jose Escamilla.
	Hi.
	This is Fritz from Phoenix.
	Hi, Fritz!
	Jose, what a pioneer you are.
	Single-handedly, you're throwing a curveball to the scientific community.
	They better get their heads out of the sandbox and pay attention.
	So you are life forms surfing through the atmosphere.
	It's outstanding.
	I've seen one of your first and you have friends bringing this to the public.
	One question, have you ever tried you or your crew mentally stimulating them like addressing
	them, thinking of a mental picture like flying in circles, stopping me there, fly towards
	a tree, etc.?
	Like to bring them in?
	Yes.
	Okay, let me tell you something.
	My two friends who are here with me by the way, Creighton and Adrian, they know how to
	bring them in.
	Mentally, when I was in New Mexico, I created a name for Rods scientifically because I was
	saying okay, I'm going to approach the scientific community, I'm going to give them a scientific
	So I came up with the name Skyfish, and then I said, okay, I'm going to think of a scientific, you know, connotation, and it's called Sailum Ictus.
	Sailum is Latin for sky, ictus is Greek for fish and that's the way scientists give certain
	specimens names.
	They like names like that.
	Yeah, so I was in New Mexico in Placitas, New Mexico back in 97 and I was thinking it
	and I said sailum ictus, sailum ictus, sailum ictus.
	I said it three times mentally and guess what?
	I started seeing rots.
	So maybe there is a way that us humans can relate with creatures.
	I mean when you talk to a bird or you talk to your cat, you're talking to them but the
	emotion that you're giving out to your creature is making him or her respond.
	So maybe there is a way.
	And I know from experience, I was there April 1st, April 4th with Creighton and Adrian.
	They were bringing him in.
	And I swear to God, they brought in some of the most incredible footage.
	I mean, so I think there is a humanistic Emotional value that can be approached in connecting with them.
	I mean, all creatures and all humans on this planet are an emotional consciousness, you know, just like humans.
	So I think we can definitely connect with them.
	It's just... We'll see.
	They sought you out, so work with them.
	Maybe we're going to see more of that stuff.
	Maybe so.
	I mean, you know, I'm going my best, man.
	I'm going to give up.
	I want to go all the way with it.
	All right, Chris.
	Thanks.
	All the way really means...
	Let's get to the bottom of it.
	I mean, if you actually, even when so far as to get a biologist, a scientist, to underwrite what appears obvious in the video, and it proves out to be true that we have another species with us, then, you know, that's Nobel Prize territory.
	That's fine.
	I've never even thought about it.
	And a lot of people say, Jose, you should get a Nobel Prize.
	And I go, oh, man.
	Well, no, indeed you should and would if this were to be proven true.
	And so that, Jose, should tempt men of academia and science to jump on this.
	If they're watching this tonight and they don't come to you and say, OK, buddy, let's find out if what you've got here is for real.
	Then they're ignoring the possibility themselves of a shared Nobel Prize, right?
	That could be true.
	And all I ask is somebody help me, please.
	Hold on, Jose.
	We'll be right back.
	Only those of you who have seen the streaming video of the Rods, please call in and tell everybody else what you saw.
	I'm Art Bell.
	My guest is Jose Escamilla, and we're talking about something brand new in the world to us, rocks.
	Guys like fast cars, hot women, and cold beer.
	We couldn't afford 31 cars, and lonely, suggestive women.
	They're the lawyer's freak, so it's gotta be beer.
	On the phone lines, you will do that.
	Your impressions of what you have seen.
	Once again, ladies and gentlemen, Jose Escamilla.
	Jose, here's a fax from Bill and Anchorage, Alaska.
	And I'll just read that, and then we'll try to get into the phones more heavily.
	On rods.
	Art, it's amazing.
	Almost like something that Leonardo da Vinci would invent.
	It seems to move like a manta ray with a few more wings.
	And is that baby quick.
	Seems that there's a lot of them in the Yucatan Peninsula area.
	Wasn't that the same place where the asteroid hit a while back?
	Maybe death and destruction wasn't the only thing that it, the asteroid, brought with it.
	Hmm.
	You know, Art, you brought up the thing about what if rods are human spirits?
	Yeah, I did.
	I mean, one of the first impressions I got early on is I was saying, okay, what are these things?
	The Native Americans, I have a friend of mine, his name is Standing Elk, and he's one of the spiritual leaders for the Sioux Nation.
	He started filming rods back in 1997, May of 97, and spirit had guided him, and he said he went out there and set up his camera in Mardi, South Dakota.
	And he said the elders did a ceremony on rods, and he said, here's what they are.
	They're things that have come out because of the collapse of the dimensions, you know, the inter-dimensional collapse or what have you.
	Right.
	And he said that the white rods, the elders were saying the white rods are like our prayers, the dark rods are like our thoughts, and red and yellow rods are something else.
	We don't know what they're doing here.
	So, you know, there's many ways that we could look at what we're dealing with here.
	All I've been doing is just trying to document it in a logical sense.
	I mean, what is logic anyway?
	I don't know.
	To people like us who are just encountering Rodge for the first time, it's like magic.
	So I imagine the explanation people would come up with would reflect their cultural Background, you just mentioned the Native Americans and off the top of my head flew human souls.
	You know, I mean, who knows?
	It could be any of the above.
	Let's go back to the phones.
	These people are waiting.
	First time caller on the line.
	You're on the air with Jose Escamilla.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Mr. Bell.
	My name is Claire.
	Hello, Jose.
	Is this Claire Metz?
	Yes, it is.
	Oh, my God.
	I got to tell you, Claire has submitted some incredible cartoons.
	She's an animator and a cartoonist and a teacher and she also does chorus with a group in Sacramento and she submitted some cartoons that we have on the website, Claire Mix's Cartoons on Rods and Aliens and she even drew one of you Art.
	Let me tell you something that's really cool.
	A friend of mine, Dave Allen, said, you know, you ought to do a cartoon on the skyfish that got away, where the guy is skyfishing and this rod is just zipping him through the air, you know, using a rod line.
	And Claire has come up with some incredible cartoons that we have on the website.
	And, you know, for people that are out there listening, we'd like for you to check them out, man.
	I mean, she's got a cartoon there about abductions, man.
	And, you know... Do it, man.
	I bet you didn't know that aliens do not abduct people until after your program is over.
	Stop it, Jose.
	Claire, you've seen Rod's video, right?
	Well, this is the first time.
	I've only been acquainted with Jose for a short time, and he's a wonderful man, and he's completely devoted to this research.
	This is the first time I have seen any video, and the only other guest you've had on the show that's left me shaking was Ed Gaines.
	And literally shaking.
	I cannot believe the kind of evidence that he has.
	And it almost leaves me upset that the scientific community isn't grabbing at this.
	I feel the same way.
	I mean, the evidence appears to be irrefutable.
	Absolutely.
	Irrefutable.
	And it just seems like you're sitting on their tushes.
	Oh, well, we need a little bit more evidence or whatever.
	But come on, this is Nobel Peace Prize winning material here.
	And plus, we would like to know what they are, why they are, you know, what they eat, you know, what is their purpose, because the Earth and human beings live symbiotically.
	The rods have a purpose here.
	Whether they were brought here on the back of a comet or asteroid, whatever, they're here, and they're here for a reason, and I'd like to know personally.
	So would I. Me too.
	So would I. We're so busily investigating All kinds of things, uh, and ignoring what's all around us, an entire other life form.
	Thank you, Claire.
	Uh, Jose, quickly, from Reed in Phoenix.
	Art, I just saw the video on the web.
	The shots are incredible!
	It's hard to believe that something the size of these rods are buzzing about us.
	I have a couple of questions.
	First, In the shot from the Learning Channel, it appears that a rod travels through a man's head.
	How is that possible?
	Oh, no, it doesn't.
	Actually, what happened, when I did the Learning Channel segment, they went off to the Oregon Vortex, which is an area where they have an anomaly, a gravitational anomaly.
	Yes.
	And people are rolling a little ball down this plank, and the ball comes back up to them.
	The editor of that particular program, now this is months after they'd already done the segment on rods, so they weren't even looking for rods.
	And they were shooting with a Beta SP digital camera, which is one of the highest quality camcorders.
	You bet.
	Broadcast quality.
	And this rod zipped in, the editor caught it, and he brought the producers in.
	What happens is, the rod goes in a semi-circle.
	In front of these people that are right there.
	They didn't even notice it.
	I mean, it's just right there.
	So it didn't go through the guy's head.
	All right.
	Second, we don't apparently see any shots of more than one rod at a time.
	Untrue?
	That's untrue.
	Yes, I've got footage that's going to come out on Rod's 3 video of multitudes of rods.
	As a matter of fact, I've got hordes of them coming out of the skies.
	It looks like it.
	You've heard the expression the sky is falling?
	Sure.
	These things are actually falling out of the skies.
	They're just in droves.
	Alright, alright.
	Are these things solitary creatures for the most part or predatory toward one another?
	Okay, the only time I've ever heard of them being predatory at all is from a gentleman out of Ohio and I'm waiting on his footage also.
	He claims to have a shot of two birds that are flying I guess it does look a lot like fish swimming around in the atmosphere.
	Alright, wild card line, you're on the air with Jose Escamilla and Art Bell, hi.
	Hi, this is Eric, I'm calling from Eau Claire, Wisconsin.
	Hello Eric.
	Hi.
	I guess it does look a lot like fish swimming around in the atmosphere and I guess my question
	was if there were any images of the rods interacting with the atmosphere itself, for example, reacting
	to wind movement and so forth.
	Oh, that's an awfully good question.
	He's right, Jose.
	They would, by nature, be so small, or have such a small amount of mass, that they would be affected, wouldn't they, by wind?
	Yes.
	Well, we have a shot from a tornado, one of the most famous tornadoes.
	It was the Kansas City tornado that traversed like three states.
	Oh, it was horrible.
	And there's rods that go towards the rotation.
	We've got that on footage.
	I just haven't been able to release it because I haven't gotten the rights to license it.
	But we've got rods going against the tornado.
	So wind does not affect them.
	Wow.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jose Escamillo and Art Bell.
	Good morning.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	My name is Pote Gilbert.
	I'm calling from Brooklyn.
	I've seen the videos.
	They're wonderful.
	And I've been aware of Rod since 19... Well, actually, have you ever heard of Trevor James Constable?
	Of course, yeah.
	Well, he spoke about sky critters.
	Wilhelm Reich also spoke about them when he attracted them with his cloudbusters.
	But the point of it is, is I also videotape UFOs, and I have a website, and I was trying to put up the movies of them.
	and I couldn't upload the movies because they took up so much memory so I cut the movies
	up and then when I cut them up, you know, JPEG pictures, you know, frame by frame, you
	see the rods.
	Wow.
	Actually in my pictures also.
	And I was speaking about these things on my, on the tapes when I was taping them.
	I used to call them black flashes, black pulses because you just see them and poof, they're
	I would constantly complain, oh I just saw a black pulse or a black flash or a black capsule.
	Right.
	But I can't, you can never catch them because they're so fast.
	I know.
	And, but then I didn't realize that I was catching them on the, actually catching them on the tape.
	But like you, I was thinking they're bugs.
	You know, it's a bug.
	It zooms in, it flies, it's this, it's that.
	So, they are there, but I also... Obviously, sir, on his videotape, the evidence... No, no, no, they're not bugs.
	I can tell you they're not bugs.
	Yeah, obviously they're not.
	Yes, but the point that you... you said something that... I wrote about... I wrote about an article at my site called The Knot.
	I won't go into it here, but I made the connection between these things, the rods, with UFOs, with ghosts, and with human souls.
	And it was just, you just made my head turn whiter than it is when you made the statement about, are these human souls?
	Sure, I mean, how do we know they're not?
	Oh, but see, the thing of it... We don't.
	That the whole point of it is, is, oh, by the way, the name of my site is Pieces of Enigma.
	I really wish you'd go there and just read some of the stuff.
	I have connections to you there, Art.
	Alright, well, you slid that in.
	I let you slide that in.
	So I have to do it because I want you, in particular, to go and read this stuff.
	And you also, because I've written both of you about it, and I know it sounds crazy.
	Okay, well a lot of things... Okay, sir, you got it.
	You got it.
	Please send me an email with all the other data so that I can check it out, and I do want to stay in touch with you.
	I want to see your footage.
	Okay, and again, Jose's email address is skyfish at packbell.net.
	That's P-A-C-K-B-E-L-L.
	Exactly.
	And I welcome anybody that has any materials, any videos out there, or any theories and things.
	Please do email us because, you know, I'm not the, I don't know, sometimes I feel like I'm not the real one, but all I'm looking for is enough evidence to compile so that we can make more of a solid case until we do the expedition.
	I welcome anybody.
	I have been following you for a while, and all the stuff I admire, all the work you have
	done so far.
	Have you seen the video?
	Yes, it is amazing.
	And I have been looking at these things for quite some time in other videos.
	I've actually rented some and seen some raw videos from other people.
	Right.
	And these, they're a different type of notice.
	There's some solid ones and there's some ones of light, if you noticed.
	Right.
	And if you do slow them down, I've seen them slowed down in the video.
	If you set your shutter speed on your camera to this high setting and point them up and you slow them down, you could stop them and you could see what they look like.
	And they look like a silver blimp.
	You can actually see they have fins like a fish.
	It is a craft and the ones I've seen were far away and they are pretty large in size.
	I remember in a lady in a haunted house where they had one flying around and it was like a spirit.
	It's sort of confusing if we're mixing a bunch of things all together here.
	I know, but you know, I have to spell it all out because we're looking at all aspects of this phenomenon.
	It is a phenomenon until we can actually identify it.
	And we've got footage from underwater, we've got footage in the skies, we've got footage in homes.
	And, you know, we're just trying to identify what this phenomenon really is.
	I mean, we don't know if it's a specimen that we can actually capture.
	I mean, maybe we'll never capture one.
	Do you feel... how certain in your mind do you feel that it's a living thing?
	A hundred thousand percent on it being a living, breathing...
	Well, careful on breathing.
	Yeah.
	But living?
	Living thing.
	I know it's a living thing.
	And it's just because of its behavior.
	I mean... I've got to agree from watching.
	It's obvious that these things are either chasing or being chased or where they're being chased or where they're chasing.
	I mean, they're playing around.
	I mean, that little the little boy dressed as a marachi.
	I mean, this rod just It's probably probably about 65, maybe 70, 100 miles an hour, and the little boy is singing, and he raises his right hand, and the rod narrowly misses him as he goes around his waist.
	Almost like a bat would get out of the way with a radar.
	I mean, for this thing to be able to travel at such a high velocity and miss hitting his hand, you didn't know.
	You kind of didn't know, that's right.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Jose Escamilla and Art Bell.
	Yes, this is Linda calling from Houston, Texas.
	Hey, Linda.
	And looking at the video, I saw several different forms, one of which looked like when you shoot an arrow, you know, like the feathers on the back of an arrow, kind of undulating.
	But I saw another form that looked more like a fish, like a fish that you see when you go diving in the Caribbean, like a parrotfish.
	So are there different, like different subspecies of these rods?
	Yes, I can say plainly that there are different species because of some of the forms of these things.
	Some of them have a membrane that undulates like six undulations.
	Some of them have only two big major undulations.
	I mean, some of them look like manta rays, for crying out loud.
	You know, so I think there are definitely different species just like anything else, yeah.
	It's really reminiscent of, like, if you look through a microscope, you know, at pond water, you can get lots of different protozoan forms.
	Actually, that's a very good analogy.
	Yeah, and that's where the name rods came from.
	My former wife Karen came up with the name.
	She works as a nurse's assistant, and she was looking at things under the microscope, and she said, hey, they look like rods.
	And I go, what are rods?
	And she says, well, They are parameciums and bacteria and things that you see on the microscope that have a membrane and they're called rods.
	In the medical community, they're called rods.
	That's where the name came from.
	No kidding.
	Yeah.
	Well, fantastic and please keep up your work.
	It's very exciting.
	I never give up.
	All right.
	Thank you very much, Jose.
	Hold on.
	We're at the bottom of the hour.
	Yes, it really is very exciting.
	to see this is to challenge you if you have the slightest open mind at all. You cannot
	look at this and not be challenged intellectually to know what it is that is living with us.
	Again, Jose's email address is skyfish at packbell.net.
	B-E-L-L dot net.
	Skyfish at packbell dot net.
	If you have questions, or contributions, or you can help, then for heaven's sakes, email Jose Escamilla and let him know.
	Help him cut a pants so we can figure out what we're living with on this planet.
	Do you see?
	Yes, I do.
	I'm gonna love you more.
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	On the Premier Radio Network.
	That's exactly what it is.
	Good morning, everybody.
	Very interesting.
	Rick from Redmond, Washington, listening to the mighty Coma 1000, says, You know, I seem to remember seeing on the old sightings television program that one of the shuttle astronauts, while doing a spacewalk, had an encounter with one of these rod creatures.
	He was actually even able to take a photo of one, and it looked an awful lot like the things that you're showing right now on streaming video.
	So, there is a question about rods in outer space, and I wonder if Jose has ever heard about this.
	In a moment, we will ask.
	There you are, out on the dusty... Alright, back now to Jose Escamilla, and Jose, are you hanging in there?
	You bet!
	Alright, what about Rick here in Redmond, Washington, who talks about the astronaut who saw, and not only saw, but took a photo of a rod?
	Okay, well that was Story in Musgrave.
	Story in Musgrave.
	Yeah, and in my first RODS video that I ever released back in 94, RODS Mysterious Objects Among Us, I have footage taken by the STS-48 shuttle that has freaks.
	They look like RODS and I would say, I would guess to say they are RODS because they are RODS objects that are zipping into Earth.
	And this is footage taken by STS-48.
	And these things are hauling buns, man. I mean, they're zipping in in all different types of angles.
	I'd like to go back to, I think one of the first shows that we did, Jose.
	96.
	And it was 96, yes. And there was the TWA disaster.
	I know, I remember that.
	And then there was a still photograph taken by somebody at a party of what appeared to be, or seemed to be, a missile.
	But it also looked exactly, exactly like a rod.
	It was on NBC, and I had it posted for a while, and I said, man, you gotta go look at that.
	It sure looks like a rod to me.
	And, you know, that said the heck out of me.
	I mean, Way back then, I did an extensive research on flight, you know, TWA flight 800, and I found out that there were five other flights that went down with the same MO.
	There was something that went through the fuselage right above the transponder, and didn't leave a trace, did not explode upon impact, and there was a sound recorded on the voice recorders, and I've always wanted to hear that sound, because, man, if these things are crashing jets, You know, it scared the crap out of me, but this was off Long Island, wasn't it?
	Oh, yes.
	Okay.
	Yes.
	Well, we now have footage taken off Long Island Sound of rods entering and emerging out of the ocean.
	So, I think what happened with that NBC photo was they just incidentally captured a rod in the sky.
	Whether it went through the jets, another question, you know.
	Here's somebody who, I guess, couldn't resist writing the following.
	Simply, art These are obviously sperm of the gods.
	Oh god.
	Whatever it is, oh god is right.
	You know, we have all types of people out there, you know, tuning in.
	Sperm of the gods.
	What can I say?
	Yeah, I know.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Jose Escamilla.
	Hello.
	Hi Jose.
	Jose, you there?
	Yes.
	Okay, I got a question for you.
	You say that you see them in the air, they can go through water.
	Can they go through the earth?
	Well, we don't... I used to think they went through the earth.
	Okay?
	It's like you see them hitting the earth.
	It looks like they hit the earth, but maybe they're traveling so fast they just skim the top of the earth and they zip away.
	I mean, it penetrated the fuselage of an airplane.
	Well, like I said, the PWA thing kind of scared me, you know?
	What if they do?
	But we don't have evidence of that.
	We don't have an actual shot of one going through a jet.
	Do you have a shot of it penetrating anything?
	Well, we have shots.
	Going through a person or going through a chair or a guitar?
	Yeah, answer that one, then also answer whether you have any shots of a rod going behind anything.
	Okay, I'm going to give you guys, and I've been very careful in presenting rods because I've wanted the scientific community to get with me, but I do have a gray basket.
	I have a gray basket of videotapes that I can't even explain, and I don't even want to bring those forth.
	I'm not trying to... Alright, well, then just tell us.
	What do you have in that gray basket?
	Well, there are things in there that I can't explain.
	I'll put it that way.
	There are rod shots that totally just blow me away.
	I've shown them to Jim Peters, who's a very, very scrutinizing type of individual.
	You can't BS him.
	From what I got from your description, a rod went towards weather even though it was going against the wind.
	So, if a rod has very little mass, Then the only thing that would allow it to do that would be to be able to go through the void between the atom parts and molecules.
	Yeah, I agree with you.
	I agree 100%.
	That's the only thing that would allow it to do it.
	That's a good observation.
	I agree 100%.
	But we only have one shot.
	The only thing... You're not going against a tornadic wind or a tornadic cyclone.
	If I had an overabundance of evidence and video... In other words, as a researcher, I understand you're trying to Anything that is not repeatable in terms of observation and video you put into your gray basket?
	Sure, because it will not make sense to any scientific investigation.
	In your gray basket, do you or do you not have shots of rods going behind objects or people?
	Yes.
	You do? We have objects that look like a dark cloud and then all of a sudden out emerges a rod out of nowhere.
	That I can't explain. Okay?
	But these are singular instances where, like I said, it's not a repeated video of the same
	type of phenomenon behind these things. So I cannot present it as a, okay, this thing
	emerged from out of nowhere as an invisible thing coming out of nowhere and now it emerges
	out of a puff of smoke. All right, then here's one for you.
	This is from David, who is an opera singer in Las Vegas. You
	will see why he's asking this question in Opera Singer. Okay.
	Jose, what would happen if a person, while yawning, or perhaps sleeping, were to be in
	Singing with their mouth wide open should inhale and swallow a rod.
	They'll hit the high C. They'll hit that octave.
	I mean, my goodness, you know, I'd love video of that one.
	That's all I'm going to say.
	So you don't have any videos of people swallowing rods?
	No, not yet.
	All right.
	Well, no, never mind.
	I won't go there.
	Wait a minute.
	What do you mean you don't want to go there?
	Go where?
	Well, no, no, no, no.
	I'm sure there's videos.
	No, no.
	Art, I'm just, it's my nastiness coming on here.
	I don't even want to go there.
	All right, all right.
	Wow, Caroline, you're on the airwaves.
	Okay, wait a minute.
	Let's start again.
	I prefer you not give your last name on the air, so we're going to start afresh.
	Your first name is?
	Bobby.
	And you're from Berkeley.
	Berkeley, California, listening to KSFO.
	Okay, have you seen the video?
	Yes, I've seen the video, and I've noticed the two different types of rods.
	I've shot a lot of video myself, and then last year I went to a high school reunion, I was shooting with a Sony DCR-PC7, which is a digital video camera, and I was taking video and actually snapping single frames out of it.
	I just watched the video and you don't see anything, but as I was taking certain frames out, I actually saw this thing that flew in the screen in four frames.
	It came in from the upper right and it came around this person and did this curlicue and then out the video again and it did it in about four
	frames and I'm going oh you know I'd listened to you when Jose was on your show
	a couple years ago.
	Right. And so I was looking for this and so I saw this thing and it looks very mine looks more like
	a like a six inch white firefly just streaking across you know and during this loop-de-loop.
	All right well uh let's stop here and ask uh let's talk about fireflies and bugs for a second.
	Do you have video of fireflies and bugs and stuff like that that you're able to present as a control to what you're showing us in this video?
	In other words, it would be interesting to see what a bug looks like traveling across the path of a video camera or something with a very fast Yes, as a matter of fact, in this next video, R.O.D.S.
	3, and that's the working title.
	I don't know what to call it after that, but I'm going to present all the different comparisons of R.O.D.S.
	and typical insects, even dragonflies, because a lot of people, you know, dragonflies travel at 60 miles an hour.
	So I'm going to present R.O.D.S.
	and dragonflies in the same sequence.
	Good.
	And I'm going through as much of a spectrum of analysis as I can just to present the evidence as it is.
	In comparison to common things, because I want to show people that we are isolating rods away from commonly known things.
	Obviously, you've got to do that.
	You have to do that.
	That's part of the scientific study.
	You have to show What is different in the characteristics of anything that you, you know, that you investigate?
	I'm convinced that anybody who would see this video would understand immediately they are not bugs, but it's just something you should do.
	And you are going to do, obviously.
	I am going to do that, and this video is going to nail it on my head.
	I mean, I've got to do it as part of the investigation.
	Okay.
	From a listener, Hi Art and Jose, this is Woody in San Diego.
	Amazing video.
	The only way that I can describe these things Are by imagining a stretched out jellyfish that is then flattened.
	The undulating wave-like motions that it uses to move through the air are amazing.
	I'm also astounded at the size of these things.
	Now, I expected them to be about the size of a bee at most, but these things are big!
	It's hard to believe that we don't notice them.
	I've studied environmental science at the University of California, and I'm extremely interested in determining the niche that these creatures fill in our environment.
	Thank you.
	One of the best connotations behind this, because that's the same feeling we have.
	You know, the underwater footage taken by National Geographic Explorer was brought to us by a guy named Edward Lopez out of New York, who You know, he can't go out sky fishing, but what he does, he watches a lot of TV.
	And he said, Jose, you'll never believe this.
	He says, I've got rods flying around gorillas.
	You know the gorillas in the mist thing?
	Oh, yes.
	National Geographic.
	And Adrian was telling me that he videotaped the National Geographic thing last week, where there are rods all over these gorillas, and they would have been mistaken by insects.
	And, you know, scientists have to look at it this way.
	What the heck is it that gorillas flap, you know?
	They're snapping at things that are flying around them.
	We automatically think they're insects, but you know what, Art?
	I've looked at this footage, and it's definitely, you can see the insects, you can see the flies, and there's rods flying around them.
	I mean, this is footage taken back in the 80s.
	So in other words, you've got footage, old footage of that, of rods and insects together.
	Exactly.
	Oh, that's very convincing.
	Yeah, and that's what's made this case extraordinary, is because I saw insects Dragonflies, birds, and rods all in the same sequence.
	Early in your investigation of rods, somebody from Oregon writes, he recalls that you thought rods had been registered as passing through walls, through rooms, through the earth, all of that, and you seem to not feel that way now.
	No, because, you know, that was early on.
	It's just like, you know, when you first pick up a rock, And you say, OK, this rock is from Mars.
	And then you find out later that, no, you can still find the same rock in another location down the street.
	I mean, this is part of the scientific investigation.
	At first, you have possibilities.
	And, you know, we're only human.
	I'm only human.
	I had all these thoughts, man.
	I mean, I thought they were going through solid matter.
	And maybe they are.
	The thing is, is I had isolated video shots of these things that appeared to go through the ground.
	You know, it's just part of the deal, man.
	and those were isolated shots. The more and more we've studied this over the last five years,
	they're traveling so fast that they may make a U-turn that gives us the impression they are or
	are not. So, you know, it's just part of the deal, man. I made a lot of statements back then that,
	you know, egg on my face, but even then, maybe we'll find out they do. I mean, you know,
	we have to further the investigation.
	All right.
	These are the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Art Bell and Jose Escamilla.
	This is Dennis from Lexington, Kentucky.
	How you doing, Dennis?
	Pretty good.
	When I saw the video, I had a real hard time convincing myself that that's a living, you know, biological being.
	But what most came to mind when I saw it was a vibrating string, like from the area of physics.
	Oh, look, it could be.
	There is the string theory that I think you probably know about, Jose.
	Yes, by all means.
	That theoretical physicists are talking a lot about.
	And maybe this guy is right.
	My God, they could be strings.
	Right.
	And you know, if there's a few inches long to a couple of miles, you know, there could be microscopes and we could be living in a sea of these rods.
	And they could be, you know, like us, as strings out of the atomic... You know, you're absolutely right, Caller, but is... Look, is there any doubt in your mind, after seeing the video, that we are dealing with a phenomenon that we don't begin to understand?
	Oh, absolutely.
	But it's absolutely real.
	And I try to figure out, well, why would they behave like they do?
	They seem to come toward living creatures, but then they don't run into them.
	And maybe they are attracted to, like, the electromagnetic...
	That's interesting.
	We don't know their nature.
	We feel it's some kind of a biological entity or some kind of life form.
	We just do not know their nature.
	They seem to exhibit that's interesting. Yeah, I just thought I wanted to throw that in and and let's talk about
	that Well, that's definitely interesting and you know, we don't
	know their nature All right, we feel it's some kind of a biological entity of
	some kind or a life-form. We just do not know their nature We don't know what attracts them
	I mean, we've got footage from Sweden taken back in 1989 before I even found rods on videos taken by the military in
	Sweden where the shooting that these tanks are shooting these shells rapid-firing
	tanks and We we have footage of these rods that seem to chase the
	shells Okay
	After they're shot by the tanks, so, you know, maybe they're attracted to low, you know, lower sound frequencies, maybe they're, I know they're attracted to lights because they were zapped in Mexicali, You know?
	So, like you say, we need more studies.
	I'm sorry?
	Like you say, we need to study them further.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, in other words, the evidence is so strong in this video that it does demand, it absolutely demands study.
	It demands scientific study.
	What are they?
	Yeah, what the heck are we dealing with here?
	You know?
	Alright, uh, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jose Escamilla.
	Hi.
	Yes, hello.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	This is Bud Z from, uh, I just wanted to comment.
	That one's for Willie.
	Anyways, do they seem to have an intelligence to them?
	That's the point.
	Jose, you're welcome to try the answer I asked earlier.
	It seems hard to answer.
	How do you ascribe intelligence to movement that you can't?
	Well, you know, when we're talking about intelligence, what do we mean?
	I mean, do we mean is it intelligent in a form that it can foresee the next movement that we're going to do?
	Assuredly, when it goes to the little boy in Mexicali, and that's the first shot we've ever taken of a rod that goes around a person.
	It anticipated, it must have anticipated the movement of little boy's right hand as it went up because this rod went so close to his waist.
	And missed hitting his hand.
	I mean, it was right there.
	If he would have been there a second or two earlier, it would have collided with his right hand.
	So, there must be some kind of intelligence for it to be able to maneuver as fast as it was going and in an instant know that the hand was going to move.
	I mean, I don't know how to look at it.
	Alright, again folks, right now we're asking that you email Jose Escamilla.
	And you can do so at Skyfish at Pacbell.
	P-A-C-K-B-E-L-L.
	Art, I have to correct you.
	It's P-A-C-B-E-L-L.
	Oh it is?
	Yeah, P-A-C.
	Oh boy.
	Like Pacific Bell.
	P-A-C-B-E-L-L.
	No K in there.
	No K in there.
	Oh man.
	Skyfish at Pacbell.
	That's P-A-C-B-E-L-L dot net.
	Right.
	Rose, why didn't you correct me earlier?
	Well, we went to commercial break.
	Oh, man.
	It's okay.
	We'll get through.
	We'll get through this.
	Skyfish at P-A-C-B-E-L-L dot net.
	Also, there's a lot of people out there going, Good evening, Art.
	Good evening, Jose.
	Good evening.
	Jose, you're talking about some very high-speed maneuverings, and it's difficult for us to consider those kind of things without us thinking in terms of technology.
	But in an organic sense, A cheetah gets moving at 80 miles an hour, and it's chasing down a prey.
	And it moves with every hair of that animal, with every little movement, nuance of movement, and it makes its response within a split second.
	Now that's a doing just about 80 miles an hour.
	It's quite possible that these things, because they're in a normal environment where they're moving at these incredible speeds, that it's natural for them to make those kinds of adjustments.
	to be able to move around a boy's hand just as he starts to move it imperceptibly to us.
	But something that's operating at that kind of a speed, it seemed like here's something
	coming into its way.
	Well, you know, in the video that you're seeing, the 11 minutes, I purposely put a swallow
	that takes chase after a base jumper, one of the guys that's jumping into the cave.
	Right.
	Now, these base jumpers reach terminal velocity once they jump in free fall.
	They're reaching 95 miles per hour, terminal velocity.
	Right.
	And here you have a swallow that goes from zero miles per hour from its nest, flies towards the jumper, and tries to peck it, you know, peck him on his foot, from zero to 95 within seconds.
	So that just shows the agility and the speed of this type of bird.
	And then the next sequence is a swallow that chases a rod.
	Yeah, it is true.
	It is, it's amazing.
	You can see a swallow chasing a rod.
	It's just amazing, folks.
	And again, please excuse me for screwing it up.
	Jose Escamilla's email address is skyfish at P-A-C-B-E-L-L dot net.
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