Kevin Ryerson, an intuitive futurist, warns humanity is nearing a crisis "event horizon" tied to ecological collapse—like the monarch butterfly’s decline—and weapon proliferation, including police auctions fueling gun violence, echoing C.G. Jung’s 1920s–30s predictions of apocalyptic or unifying outcomes. Skeptical of government suppression (e.g., Y2K’s sudden media silence despite $6B+ spent on infrastructure), he argues dysfunctional institutions lack emotional intelligence, citing Mary Ellen Hanley’s Y2K warnings and the Trigger Effect film’s societal breakdown scenario. Ryerson links collective consciousness—like the "Harmonic Convergence" or crop circles—to divine co-creation, rejecting predatory universe theories (e.g., Castaneda) while urging compassion over judgment, even in tragedies like Littleton. He frames China’s rise as a catalyst for U.S. alignment or obsolescence, citing 45M "cultural creatives" reshaping civilization, and compares spiritual truths across Eastern and biblical traditions, recommending Out on a Limb by Shirley MacLaine and The Channeling Zone as guides to navigate free will and cosmic purpose amid media-driven chaos. [Automatically generated summary]
There is art, and people are wondering if there's any one single thing that can be done to put context on this whole series of events as we sort of rush towards the millennium.
As a person who's been a futurist and who studied prophecy and prediction from Egyptes to Nastradamas, these times have been spoken of rather thoroughly within the context of prophecy and prediction.
And actually, there are a number of core resolutions on any one of these numbers of different crises that we could concentrate on.
I don't think there's any one thing that we could put or there's no one universal panacea.
But there are some rather interesting undercurrents to a lot of the issues that I think that your program quite intriguingly raises, per se.
And it might be interesting to discuss some of those.
Some of those resolutions you actually speak to right here on the show, which I think people, when I talk to them about your show, they get excited about those things.
And it's just it's these times, for instance, that Jung had spoke to.
C.G. Jung, the great psychologist, had monitored people's dreams collectively and really became quite horrified as to what he was seeing in the 20s and the 30s in their dream states.
One classic dream was humanity almost cannibalizing itself, of which he then came to the conclusions with the political scenarios of the 30s that indeed we were approaching a Second World War.
After the Second World War, he began monitoring the dream states again, and his conclusions were that we were very much headed into times that we are just now beginning to scratch the surface of.
I think it specifically speaks to the issue of collective consciousness.
And it's not unusual for people who are still in touch with the collective unconscious to share co-dreaming, as it's called.
And the idea that a community shares a common fate, that no person really is an island, that we're separated, somehow that we're separated from each other.
And even if we were islands, we'd still have the Hunter's Monkey effect, where behavior on all the different islands would more or less adapt to the collective conscious.
And one of the final statements that Jung came up with that is both hopeful and yet a little foreboding at the same time is that he said, the collective dreaming seems to reveal that humanity is headed to a period of time where there will be a crisis,
possibly in technology, more than likely in the ecology, which will perhaps for the first time, hopefully unite humanity to have a crisis that may take them beyond war.
But if not, it could be the final revelations that are often spoken of almost in a biblical context.
Well, I think that some of the language of physics describes it rather nicely.
There's the description of the black hole where gravity is so intense not even light can escape it.
And we have entered what you might refer to as sort of the event horizon.
And I mean in more street language it's the idea that perhaps we're beginning to circle the drain is what it boils down to.
But you know also the interesting thing about that is although nothing escapes the black hole, the theory is that light does pass through and comes out the other side as something new.
It's very typical of the government that once an issue has defined itself per se, once they begin to realize perhaps the extent of it, they have a tendency to clamp down on the information or try to control the information.
And so therefore it's a little bit the classic ostrich effect.
If you don't talk about it, maybe it won't be as bad.
Or it's not really trusting the citizenry's full capacity to simulate the impact of what Y2K and these phenomena may be, and then quite frankly, be able to do something about it, not within a governmental context, but within an individualist context.
Well, if we have children picking up guns and killing other children, which we surely have a lot of these days, then if you can't do anything about it, pass a law against a thing, a gun.
And so that's what they do.
And they can't really affect behavior.
They really can't affect a person's behavior.
So instead, they legislate against the only thing around that can't talk back, and that's a gun.
Well, I think you're coming down to one of the clearest, most comprehensive issues that I think is crucial in our society.
Also speaking, you know, with such phenomenology of collective unconscious, et cetera, et cetera, because the tendency of these copycat killings, I think, reflect more a collective consciousness rather than merely some type of collective pent-up frustration, for instance, finally having a model to give an outlet to itself.
And I think one of the real key underpinnings here is that I think that we as a society have really lost touch with what I would refer to, in my language, as the psychic underpinnings of the psychic forces that lead up to what we refer to as this type of behavior.
Within our psychological paradigm, I think they're getting closer to the truth with what they refer to now is that in particular the school systems that there is a crisis in the lack of the exercise of what we refer to as our emotional intelligence, that we have lost track of the ability of empathy or to the ability to feel what is real to us.
is this because of some sort of circuit overload in other words the media uh...
delivering daily doses of In other words, it's addictive to the point where it's finally numbing and additional amounts are required to feed the sick mind.
I think you can suggest that that is an element of it, but I think it runs even deeper than that, because it goes into the very foundations of what we consider to be the philosophical exponents as to what constitutes thinking itself.
There was an article written that to me summarizes it very well.
It's what's referred to as Descartes' error.
Descartes was the famous philosopher who formed the fundamental philosophies of thinking and is most noted for his quote, I think, therefore I am.
So therefore, here you have the very underpinnings of the contemporary model as to what human existence is.
But Descartes, in his philosophy, basically went to extraordinary extremes in trying to establish objectivity.
He eliminated the fundamental underpinnings of emotional thinking or emotional values.
Literally, the ability to feel one's own reality.
In other words, cut away at the very core or the underpinnings of what we might call empathy, the ability to appreciate the reality of other human beings' value in our lives.
And that permeates virtually every element of the scientific paradigm, every element of our educational model, and every problem-solving institution in our society.
In other words, we have cultivated an entire generation of human beings who value deconditioning themselves of the ability to feel to claim an objectivity that probably doesn't exist.
Well, it's also, on the part of the individual human, kind of a protective mechanism in the brain, isn't it?
In other words, we're bombarded with all this incredibly awful, inexplicable information like the shootings and so forth.
And I guess after a while, we become, A, numbed to it, and B, we kind of block it out because it's just too much to contemplate.
And as you point out, the empathy factor goes down with each new occurrence, and it's sort of a self-perpetuating process that seems to be getting worse and worse and worse.
In other words, here comes the event horizon.
You can already feel the ship beginning to accelerate into the hole.
Well, it's like you can begin to think of it as an emotional black hole, is what it boils down to.
It's almost to the point where it is so numbing that people feel that either as individuals or even collectively with their neighbors, there is not much they can do about it, so therefore they disassociate.
And yet, in trying to understand it, it appears the underpinnings of the only information resources we have is the media, and all they do is constantly replay the more horrific elements.
Now, this brings up the experiments that I have done on the air.
I have done quite a large series of experiments of mass concentration with incredible, inexplicable results, changing the weather, causing cures in people, asking my audience by the millions, and they have participated, to try and affect an outcome.
In fact, Kevin, it worked so well that it began to scare me.
And kind of like the scientists who are screwing around with the corn right now, and I see they're going to knock off the monarch butterfly, something they did not anticipate as a result of this genetically altered corn.
I'm a little afraid to experiment with this kind of thing because I really, frankly, don't know what the hell I'm doing.
Now, it appears to be true that you can get many minds, and if there is a collective consciousness, then there should be a collective ability to affect what is going to happen or what is happening.
And it would appear to be true, but I'm afraid to toy with it.
I think that you should be open to the good that can be done with such a phenomenology.
It's like anything else.
For instance, when the book The Mayan Factor was published, and it created the phenomenology of the harmonic convergence, and millions of people around the planet in 1987, August 16th and 17th, went to the great sacred sites,
whether it was Stonehedge or the Pyramids or whether it was Mayan Pyramids or Machu Picchu, what was predicted is that three and a half years later, an extraordinary opportunity to alter the course of humanity as it conceived itself, in other words, as we had entered into a groupthink, would occur.
And three and a half years later to the day, the Berlin Wall came down.
And there was the collapse of the Eastern Bloc.
There had been things like bloodless coups, for instance, you know, in Haiti, etc., etc.
Now, what humanity does to do what I refer to as maintenance the peace, to wage the peace.
What humanity does to wage the peace is collectively up to them.
Now, whether they look at this as just sort of like some event like a rock concert where everybody just kind of leaves, goes home, and there's just a bunch of empty bleachers, or whether this becomes a permanent value in their lives, the way it was in many of these ancient holistic cultures, of which we could learn a lot about this phenomenon by looking at them, remains to be seen.
But the harmonic convergence does come up in many social studies now as a way in which humanity might be able to not just only offset some of these terrible consequences that are obviously been set in motion, but might be an incredibly powerful way to indeed be able to reach a greater potential for itself.
Joseph from Los Angeles has sent a very interesting facts for Kevin.
Very interesting.
And we'll ask about it in a moment.
Kevin Ryerson is my guest.
Oh, by the way, for Paula, Paula Marie in Kansas City, who sent me a copy of Seven Days, dear.
I did get it.
Thank you.
That's the one where they have the Art Bell character.
Sept yet another name?
Seven Days is about time travel.
And apparently they profiled me, sort of, in last week's show.
I'll get to watch it when I get off the air, but it did arrive.
Thank you very much.
Stay right where you are.
Kevin Ryerson will be right back.
Kevin Ryerson, once again, and Kevin, somebody writes to me a pretty intelligent piece.
They wrote this to the LA Times as well.
And it says, loophole in gun control laws.
The loophole in gun control is that the government itself is permitted to produce and use guns and bombs of all kinds and sizes to train youth, to use them against people and the environment, and to order, reward, and even attempt to justify their use.
Government preachments about youth violence are fine.
But unfortunately for us, all government's violent examples count for more.
And of course, we could add the bombing for peace that's going on right now.
Latest miss was hit a hospital, I think, over there in Belgrade.
But it is true, is it not, that our government is, I guess, an example.
Well, I think that I don't think you have to go any further.
There's some interesting statistics.
One of the largest suppliers of guns to people who use them to buy once, including drug dealers, et cetera, et cetera, is when the police confiscate weaponry, quite often they've been notorious for holding auctions with those weapons and sell them back.
You know, he's always struck me, even in the earliest part of his career, as looking a little bit like, you know, something halfway between Charlton Heston and W.C. Fields.
On the one hand, you know, President Clinton has not really been that awful.
Frankly, in a lot of ways, he's been an okay president in the duties of the presidency, and he shepherd us through a good economy and all the rest of it.
All that really has happened to his credit.
But, you know, the guy, he lies.
And I don't think that you can achieve high political office in America today without being a truly accomplished, fully engorged nose.
Well, I think, you know, in our political culture, as the W.C. Fields element of it, is that we've almost come to expect politicians to not be completely truthful with us.
And I think that until people value the truth more, and as you pointed out, a person who tells the truth does not have to worry about having a bad memory.
Well, I think that one of the keys about, you know, the issue of truth is people's ability to have empathy or to feel it.
And the reason for raising M. Scott Peck's name is that he wrote one of the better treaties in a book that was referred to as The People of the Lie.
And it's the idea that, again, if you repeat the big lie often enough, it will almost become like a subliminal value to the extent where people can't discern what constitutes their behavior.
And he really wrote the book as sort of a wake-up call for people who work in places like Los Alamos or Livermore Labs, where basically devices are being designed on a daily basis to then in turn to be used or its intended use is nothing less than the entire mass murder of humanity is the only thing that these devices are good for.
The bottom line being is that he gave an example of people who are so lacking in, say, psychic construct, the ability to feel or have empathy, that there was actually two parents who had taken a weapon that had been used by an elder son to commit suicide.
And in order to show their son the family values of hunting and weaponry and things to this effect, they gave the younger son that same weapon for Christmas the following year.
And that upon interviewing this, these people saw absolutely nothing wrong in that.
And when you look at this type of parenting and then we wonder where incidences like Columbian come from, the roots of it again, I believe, are in this issue of emotional intelligence, this lack of the exercise of the psychic dimensions of ourselves.
The word psyche, by the way, all it means in Greek root, it means of the mind and of the soul.
Well, Kevin, if we take present trends and there is not a reversal, in other words, if present trends continue in the linear upward curve they're in, where are we going?
I know that's asking for some sort of conclusion, but I am asking an intuitive here.
Well, if the negative trends, as we speak about them, because we always exist in Schrödinger's box, which was his Schrödinger said on a quantum level, two simultaneous realities can exist.
And he demonstrated it by saying, if you put a cat in a box with a toxin that's released by, say, a radioactive substance, and you work out the math, that cat simultaneously will be both alive and dead from exposure to the toxin on a quantum level.
And not until you open the box and look inside will you know which one has occurred.
In other words, until you have made an observation.
Now if you continue to observe the negative trends, which are constantly reinforced by the media, I think that we're headed for some pretty dark scenarios, very much apocalyptic.
When you consider the loss of life, when you're talking about the monarch butterfly, the monarch butterfly is absolutely essential, one of the essential keys in the ecological change.
And it's been long said that sooner or later we may lose one of those key links in the ecology, and there could be entire regional collapses ecologically that could penetrate very much into the food chain.
And basically, if the monarch butterfly was lost in the ecological chain, we would have an ecological disaster that, I mean, it would make the plagues of Egypt look like yesterday's news.
If we continue, in my opinion, to create the equivalent of sort of the cesspool of weapons constantly available and people are not, if you will, emotionally aligned with what the purpose of the tools in our society are for, per se.
And weapons, for instance, have legitimate use in hunting.
There is a legitimate culture that uses it as a tool.
But if they're not emotionally aligned with it, we will have amplifications of what occurred in Columbine to like where the school systems could end up looking like Lebanon did during the 60s.
Well, go back to the first real mass killer weapon, the atomic bomb.
Manhattan Project.
Yes, it was a thing that we had to do before someone else did it, to be sure.
But, you know, the scientists, when they pushed the first button, actually there was a considerable mainstream amount of opinion that said the entire atmosphere may go into a chain reaction and we may destroy ourselves when we push this button.
There was mainstream thought.
Nevertheless, they pushed the button.
Now, you know, the atmosphere didn't catch on fire, but a lot of experts thought that it might well occur that we could destroy ourselves, and they nevertheless pushed that button.
Science is doing this all the time.
Science, for example, in San Francisco recently, some poor man dying of AIDS, they decided they would use some special radiation or something and destroy every last bit of what was his immune system, and then would put in a simian immune system.
Transfer literally from a simian to human being, the immune system, I guess the spinal cord fluid.
I'm not an expert, I don't know.
But they said in the newspaper article there were certain risks for all of mankind, that something that was simian could suddenly species jump as a result of this, and there could be potential problems.
But they went ahead anyway.
Now, I don't know about you, but nobody asked me.
I've got a lot of empathy for anybody dying of AIDS, but I tell you, Kevin, when you have these things like, or the corn that's going to kill the monarchs, you know, they seem to go ahead with their own counsel and push these buttons, and one day they're going to push a button and they're going to go, oops.
I think that these things, you know, indeed are a matter of the historical record, the Tuskegee experiment where an entire community based on a choice of race was allowed to have diagnosed cases of syphilis go untreated for the current.
And Furthermore, see if it could be then traced to other parts, in other words, how it would be passed on as a contagion to other members of that community, how it would affect birth rates, et cetera, et cetera.
So ultimately, then, Kevin, should we expect the morality of the general collective consciousness to grow beyond that which is its prime example, its government?
One, the collective types of consciousness we spoke of before, like the harmonic convergence, my encouragement is for us to not be afraid of our own human potential.
For instance, while we're tracing, for instance, you know, blood engorged noses, simultaneously that implies that if an emotional response we can regulate involuntary actions in the body, such things as yoga, meditation, biofeedback, all of these things provide extraordinary hopeful models for new medicine, for instance.
And that if we were to begin to really reach into our potential as conscious entities, we can develop a whole new model upon which humanity would be able to base a counterpoint to these negative influences that seem to be continuously endorsed by governmental agencies.
Do you suppose it is possible that a smaller number of concentrated minds trying to produce a positive end result can overcome a sort of general apathetic negativity?
In fact, I would go so far as to stick my neck out and say that I do endorse that concept.
It's been referred to popularly as the Maharishi effect or the hundreds monkey effect.
It's the idea that less than 1% of 1% of any representing population has the ability that if they hold a common positive value of any kind, that you will see an outbreak of that behavior on a positive level throughout the general represented community.
Well, I think there's a key governing factor built in here, Art, is that what it is, is that it's my belief that what we call the Hundreds Monkey effect, per se, has a system of positive checks and balances based on it.
It's my belief that if the same thing can, say, be applied negatively, there seems to be studies that show, for instance, that brainwaves associated with negative thought have different, what you call, allogarithms, and that they have, although they may act more quickly and by appearances more potently, their effects are more short-term.
I agree with all that, except again, the straight-on question is, let's say Kevin Ryerson was a practitioner of the light, and Art Bell, to suit my audience, which probably bleeds it anyway, is a practitioner of the darkest of the dark.
Well, would we have equal ability to affect outcomes?
I would have to say that what it would boil down to is that each of us contains that same light and dark.
And perhaps the dark practitioner, the thing that they don't realize is that they contain both elements.
And so therefore they have tendencies to think that demonstrations of the practitioner of darkness is absolute evidence as to what constitutes their own superiority.
But the person who practices light, their strength is that they know they also contain that element we refer to as dark.
Mother Teresa said, the reason that I pray is because there is the capacity of a Hitler inside of me.
And she was constantly aware of that particular force inside of her, and that was her strength.
I would have to say an honest assessment of trends at this point in time is is that the pe the peculiar thing is um are is that for instance if everyone had the value of the of the being prepared, as you put it, just the old Boy Scout motto.
When these disasters hit, you know, just like in these tremendous weather patterns, extremes that we've been experiencing, those communities, if they had had that preparedness, just living in the path of that weather that they do on a daily basis, that community would have won, have been completely more autonomous from dependency upon government, more self-sufficient, and been more available for their neighbors just by practicing those values of preparedness.
I was just with her on her birthday and a couple of days ago.
She is just finishing up a film.
It's about a young boy who, against all odds, and belief in angels.
And in it, he goes through a great deal of what I think is very relevant to the issues that we're looking at in our schools now.
If you will, he has like an inner emotional courage and a spiritual belief in the intervention of angels that leads him to, in his world, the equivalent of sort of like a personal triumph, per se.
She's been working on that.
It's now in post-production.
She is looking for her next project at this very moment in time, and she is continuing on with exploring who Shirley is as a human being.
You know, I mean, you hold a lot of common interests.
She still holds, you know, very intense interests in the issues of extraterrestrial existence, you know, the meanings, the implications of that.
And, you know, when she is conversing with people in a public forum, it's exactly on a lot of the such materials that concern a lot of the listeners of this program.
To tell you the truth, I've had a number of personal episodes that I choose to interpret as extraterrestrial contact.
I think that they've been here for quite some period of time.
I have a tendency to believe in the esoteric history that Casey subscribes to, the belief in Atlantis.
And I think there was a time, Ard, when in Atlantis, we had a civilization that was on par with those that we refer to as extraterrestrials.
And that we had many of the abilities that we attribute to the phenomena that a lot of your listeners call in and tell us about.
And as a person who works with intuition, and I see intuition, clairvoyance, telepathy, even the terms remote viewing, which are scientific terms for those same phenomena, I see these things as methodologies or technologies.
And with all due respect to the phone company, I would assume that the ETs, when it comes to communications, has something far more advanced than is not beyond our comprehension, but what is currently in use as the general organizing principles in our own society.
I have a tendency to believe that a lot of these phenomena are better explained by a parapsychological model than some of even the models we're attempting to address these things as like electromagnetic drive, et cetera, et cetera.
Well, I would look at it as though the same way that I suggested that yoga, for instance, could be a very advanced model for medicine.
I would suggest that since we are using biofeedback, for instance, to train astronauts and people who work in space, that's an example of where parapsychology is being applied in our own extraterrestrial program.
Let's call it that.
We know that there have been a number of very successful telepathic experiments done, and people such as Edgar Mitchell, who walked on the moon, is the founder of the Institute of Noetic Sciences.
So it's not that we're completely devoid of beginning to work with some of this paranormal phenomena within the context.
For instance, they have our own space program and various other areas of our sciences.
But one of the things I would suggest is that phenomena such as Uri Geller, if you accept the studies that were done on him, and I do, when he would bend spoons, these spoons would not only just be twisted into these funny forms, when they studied the metals, the metals seemed to take on very unusual properties.
They seemed to have a higher degree of conductivity.
There were certain steels that were bent that they almost appeared to become like a whole new alloy that had entirely different properties than before the metal had been bent.
Some of the metals that were theoretically recovered from UFO sites seem to display some of these unusual parapsychological signatures, if you will.
I have seen mind, in my opinion, on the part of very gifted people to be able to indeed bend metal, etc., etc.
I've even had experiences myself where I felt that collective consciousness was able to affect weather cycles.
One of those was a trip that we took to Egypt.
There was about 20 folks.
They were all fairly gifted people, too.
They were all artists, et cetera, et cetera.
And we came to the conclusion a week before getting three hours of private time inside the Great Pyramid that we might like to see if some of the attributes of the Great Pyramid being used for climate control was feasible.
And finally, after a week, when we got to the Great Pyramid, the government arranged that we could have private time inside of it.
And we went inside, we meditated.
There had been a drought that had been occurring in Egypt at that time.
And three hours later, when we came out from having entered with totally clear skies, one of the largest storms that had been experienced in that vicinity of the globe was hovering directly over Cairo.
And the precise hub of that particular storm, which was considered extremely unusual for that time of the year, was anchored right over the Great Pyramid.
The second day, we went inside the second pyramid and we did meditations that you might call release meditations.
And within an hour of those meditations, the storm dissipated.
So I really believe in this phenomena that there is an intricate link between consciousness and general physics or phenomenology.
I just, I have this nervous little tick, though, when I endeavor to do something, kind of like the scientist who's modifying the corn genetics a little bit.
And, you know, for example, as I think we talked about this, but weather, for example, to modify the weather.
Well, I believe it can be done with mass concentration.
But what if you made a mistake?
What if there was a hurricane lurking headed toward the East Coast or Florida, the Keys, whatever, and you did a mass concentration and you stalled the damn thing and it built up to a category four or five and then slammed into land?
Yeah, well, believe me, the capacity for human comedy and human drama has to be a factor in these things.
When we were talking about the F5 or whatever tornado, one of the points of the matter is that those people are now building houses, for instance, where traditionally in the suburbs where the urban core never used to be, they're building houses there where there are known scars of past earthquake, I'm sorry, past tornado paths have been there before.
And one of the things is, for instance, one of the cities that has one of the worst pollutions is Denver.
Well, when they were first building Denver, Native Americans said, you know, you shouldn't build there because when the buffalo go there, they stir up a lot of dust and the dust never goes anywhere.
So it's not a good place to live.
So when you have people who, if you will, are psychically sensitive, you know, the issues of the ecology, when they really have that covenant with the earth, you know, that the Bible talks about, these types of practices of collective consciousness, I think, almost are just second nature.
And those, to me, those kinds of efforts that are acknowledged there, for instance, are where people are becoming psychically or emotionally sensitive to what's occurring around them.
We don't have to wait until these huge calamities that occur.
The El Niño effects that were in California, the traditional drought cycles that we're able to trace through the, you know, through measuring what you call the climate stratas, for instance, here, for instance, throughout the Southwest, there have never been weather cycles that we have known in the area of the complexity and the recurrence of the phenomenology.
I think the term self-correction is an important thing to understand.
You know, one of the things as human beings is that I think it's time for us to become God's adults.
It's one thing to be children of God.
I think it's, however, time to become God's adults because, quite frankly, I think that we have a tendency to develop what I call an addiction to miracles.
That we associate the miraculous, the intervention and the suspension of natural laws in order to save humanity as part of the way that God loves us.
And I think that's a perfectly fine model, romantically speaking.
But simultaneously, it's my belief that humanity with this issue of emotional intelligence, and here's the other thing, quite frankly, if we do have these impacts on these weather cycles consciously, who's to say these things also are not occurring unconsciously?
And the bottom line being that we need to break this addiction to miracles because my belief that humanity has developed what I refer to as a crisis-based identity, that perhaps we are the very source of these extraordinary negative phenomena.
But again, are we not being led by our engorged noses by our very own government?
In other words, our government definitely governs by a sort of a crisis mentality.
They deal with things as they have to.
They're putting out fires constantly.
Whatever it is, whether it's children killing children, guns for them or against them, how you feel about guns, they do not jump up by themselves and mow people down.
In particular, I go back to my original thesis as to the issue of emotional intelligence.
If our entire model is I think, therefore I am, in other words, our entire existence is based on that model of logic, which completely discounts the value of the ability to feel and to know that the emotions of other people are equally valid, the higher you get into what you might consider to be the elite, the educational, academic elite of our culture, the more you have to adapt to that model of thinking.
And then in turn, if we abandon our ability to acknowledge our own ability to think and come up with our own solutions, and we turn towards those elite institutions for problem-solving models that are devoid of the very essence to develop a value system that works on a fully intricate and human scale,
we are only further intensifying this addiction to looking towards solutions that are guaranteed to be dysfunctional.
Well, I think that that's one of the things that Joseph Campbell talked about, is the idea that we need to build a new inner mythic archetype, that this is an opportunity to discover new archetypal energies for ourselves,
that our emotions are energies, and the word Dharma means the energy that does the work, and that we need to rediscover that core energy that does the work, and then these extraordinary changes occurring in climates, government, you know, every planetary institution will be able to, if you will, self-correct, maybe come online, and then a new potential can open up for humanity.
I'm never going to get over that, nor will I ever agree with what we're doing.
Kevin Ryerson is my guest, and if you have questions for him, we're about to go to the phones.
And your questions literally can range anywhere you want them to go.
He's a pretty diverse fellow.
One of our nation's great intuitives.
I'm Art Bell, and this, of course, is Coast to Coast AM.
Ryerson, a quick switch of topics here, Kevin, then we'll go to the phone.
I've got a BBC News article here indicating that a U.S. billionaire is going to put cameras and airborne equipment over the U.K. this coming crop circle season, and he is going to find out once and for all whether it's guys with boards and chains and people or whether it's some sort of natural or unnatural phenomenon.
Well, I've done meditations in the middle of some of those crop circles, and it's my belief that it's a combination of an extraterrestrial phenomena and what I would refer to as a natural qi phenomena.
The crop circles have been appearing for years, but historically they began to intensify after, interestingly enough, the harmonic emergence.
That's true.
Have you ever seen, you know, frost on a cold window and the static electricity forms the pattern?
I have a tendency to note the pattern of the crop circles form around sites like, say, Stonehenge, for instance.
And it's my belief that when there is increased extraterrestrial activity, there's these extra sightings that occur, there's almost energy that is released from almost what you might consider acupuncture points on the planet.
And then as that goes out into the wheat field, it forms these highly complicated geometrical patterns.
Now, I also believe that there's some extraterrestrial phenomena because when they start putting some of these patterns together, they make very interesting either chemical compositions or patterns upon which certain elements are based, et cetera, et cetera.
So there could actually be a language that is emerging as we collect the crop circles, and there could be a message in it, whether it's just a cosmic sort of Edith Joe's, who knows?
But I think the phenomena is a way of focusing our consciousness, once again, on the idea of a consciousness that is just greater than what our society has produced at this point in time, and that it raises consciousness to look into these kinds of issues.
Yes, I look towards it is that there is an energetic phenomenon.
I really respect the fact that England's produced some really nice sort of like, you know, 70-year-old guys who are pretty athletic, and they have an interesting theory because they are landscape engineers, but there is no way that they singularly can explain the whole phenomenon.
No, the complexity of the patterns are extraordinary.
And there's just things that when you get on the site, you can almost instantaneously separate those created using landscape engineering techniques, and those are the genuine phenomena.
Earlier in the show, Art, you asked a question as to whether a practitioner of the darkness could be as effectual in bringing about change in the objective realm as a practitioner who's practicing in the light.
If you looked under the crack of the door, would you see the light from the light room penetrating into the darkness?
If you were to go over into the other room and again close the door and look down under the crack of the door, would you see the darkness penetrating into the light?
I actually lean towards, I think, the gentleman's insight, because, like I said, I believe that practitioners of the dark consider themselves an absolute, whereas the very strength of the practitioners of light is that they know that they might be capable of that same darkness.
So they actually have the advantage of both sides of the yin-yang pattern.
If you Look at Jerry Garcia as profit, per se, maybe if we took each little corner of the world that we're all allowed to change, per se, is maybe it's all one big patchwork quilt.
And maybe we're all just part, you know, if you've ever gone across the United States by air, and you look down, particularly over my native Midwest in Ohio, you see all these different farms down there.
But also you'll notice there's all these different rivers, streams, and topography, in other words, an ecology that they're all interdependent upon.
Also, I guess if you think of Jerry Garcia as a prophet, maybe he has his own form of immortality and is still out there doing good by Ben and Jerry's Cherry Garcia, which is one of my favorites.
I do believe that a lot of these patterns are created from, let's say, extraterrestrials in deep space using some sort of concentrated beam or something to give us messages that we're supposed to interpret.
Basically, my belief is that we are spiritual beings who are here to experience being physical rather than that we are physical beings trying to become spiritual.
Yeah, I subscribe to the idea that, you know, there was one collective consciousness we called the deity.
There were creative acts on the part of that deity.
But over a span, as the Hindus believe, over billions of years, it's called Brahma wakes and Brahma sleeps.
And that is the expansion and contraction of the universe.
But then I believe that as souls, we are co-creators with that original collective consciousness.
And that we're here to diversify the creation.
And that when we are working with light, we're cooperating with the ecology and new life is emerging.
When we are not practicing that, or we are fundamentally unconscious of our nature, then we end up with some of the results like we've been discussing on this show, you know, the type of crisis that's occurring in the ecology and the crisis that's occurring in our human community.
I think it's a good way to look at it that it's much more reasonable to assume that what it is, is that the separation from the deity that it speaks in the Bible is of and in itself enough of a punitive phenomenon that we don't need to pile on top of it imaginary dimensions of, you know, eternal punishment, et cetera, et cetera.
And that it's reclaiming that connection on the level of the soul that is really what our purpose here in the earth plane is.
Whether you're the captain or Gilligan or Mr. Howell or something.
unidentified
Well, it's the body, soul, mind, and spirit.
It's red and yellow, black and white.
For some reason, for the universe that we're caught up in, first there's the one, then there's the two, the male and female, and then it breaks off into the four types, which has to do with the four elements of the zodiac.
I'm going to take a little extra time and do something I always love to do whenever the topic of reincarnation comes around, because not many people have heard this, but you hear it here.
Listen very, very carefully to the words.
unidentified
I was a highwayman.
Along the coast roads I did ride.
With sword and pistol by my side.
Many a young maid lost her maubles to my trade.
Many a soldier shed his lifeblood on my blade.
The masters hung me in the spring appointed mine.
But I am still alive.
I was a sailor.
I was born upon the tide.
With the sea I did abide.
I sailed a schooner around the Horn of Mexico.
I went along the world and lain so little.
And when the ice broke off, they said that I got killed.
But I'm living still.
I was a damn builder across the river deep and wide.
Where steel and water did collide.
A place called Boulder Ongoing Wild Color.
I slept and fell into the wet concrete below.
They buried me in that great town that knows no sound.
But I'm still around.
I'll always be around and around and around and around and around.
I'll fly a starship across the universe divine
And when I reach the other side I'll find a place to rest my spirit if I can Perhaps I may become a highwayman again Or I may simply be a single drop of rain But I will remain
I'll be back again and again and again and again and again and again and again This is Coast to Coast AM
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Kevin Ryerson is here, one of the great intuitives on this planet.
If you want to talk to him, he's as close as your phone.
Here to be confirmation of what I said earlier: Y2 chaos on CBS-TV this weekend, despite the billions being spent to deal with Y2K computer bug.
Many cities in America are uncertain they'll be able to continue to provide basic services like water and electricity.
On January 1st, 2000 reports, 16 minutes in a new shock story being readied for this Sunday.
CBS's Steve Croft is putting the finishing touches on his controversial report.
This is coming from Matt Drudge.
Mary Ellen Hanley, a computer system specialist hired by the District of Columbia, tells Wide-Eyed Croft that she believes Washington will continue to function January 1, 2000, but it must be prepared for what many cities could face.
I think it's something that's been ignored for too long.
I'm actually working with some people who are working on solutions for Y2K.
And the way our cities have been built and structured is that they are vulnerable to the over-computerization of our society in the fundamental services that's just being described.
Anyone, for instance, who lived in I did in a suburb in Phoenix for 10 years knows that when there was just the slightest interference in the basic service of water per se, you are like literally in the middle of nowhere is what it boils down to.
So one, I think that there are solutions to Y2K.
I've actually worked on it with some of the folks.
But two, I wonder whether or not we have the will to institute them is what it boils down to.
And given some of the penchant of our government to sort of like experiment with people's lives, that's an authentic concern, too.
I've been running it on movie services, and basically it was a several-day power outage caused by, they never really explained, but it did matter.
It observed the social breakdown that occurred.
You know, for a few hours, everybody was okay.
Even a day, everybody was okay, neighbors helping out, and so forth and so on.
But when people began to perceive that it was going to continue for a protracted period, things really began to fall apart fast.
And so I guess one might conclude that our civilization or our civilized nature hangs by a very thin thread indeed, or maybe it's a lot thicker than I think it is.
Well, one of the things is when people say something's hanging by hair, for instance, you have to understand that hair has come to be known to have a higher actual tensile strength under stress than carbon steel.
So maybe there's something in that metaphor for us.
Again, I go back to our conversation in the original hour about that in these different scenarios we examine, it is the breakdown of the emotional and psychic bonds between people that always lead to these crises that we see in these films, for instance.
So if we can rediscover that thread of continuity, of that psychic bond that makes humanity one living organism, intricately linked to Gaia, the Earth itself is a living organism, then perhaps these crises can be averted.
Well, he designed it a little bit after the Knights of the Roundtable, so everyone's equal.
unidentified
Well, Kevin, as a fellow intuitive, I have a couple of questions here.
With regard to the Earth School concept, which I heard you allude to, and in combination with astrology, which of the twelve signs might be the exit sign, the most difficult sign to learn the lessons of, and the sign in which you would complete your education?
Well, the traditional zodiac goes from Aries, the original primal fire, to Pisces.
And we were just in the age of Pisces, and that's the issue of belief.
And I guess if you're dealing with anything we'll deal with in our lifetime, We only have two more clicks or 75 degrees of that age before we enter into the age of Aquarius, which is the age of knowing.
And each sign has its own exit, if you will, or its own complement in what you have to learn from the opposing sign.
So rather than laying out the whole zodiac as a pathway that's circular, you have to look at the complementary opposites.
For instance, I'm a Leo, and theoretically, Aquarius would be my exit sign, that I have to master my ideals, otherwise my passions might somehow overrun me, per se.
unidentified
Aha.
So as a 29th degree Scorpio with Taurus on the horizon at birth, I've sort of have a little bit of an edge.
You know, they made all this noise about how the U.S. will no longer enter conflicts as part of the U.N. or anything else without an entrance strategy and an exit strategy.
In other words, you're going to go in, you're going to do something, you're going to get out.
Yeah, you know, it's interesting because in a way, we almost entered this century's first series of conflicts because of issues in Yugoslavia that laid down the foundations for World War I, and then in turn laid down the foundations for World War II.
So maybe we have to, remember when we said in the event horizon, the only way out is in?
Maybe if we can find some kind of solution that we entered this civilization with rather than burying it for a change, maybe that's part of the exit strategy out of this century, into the millennium.
Before I have a question for your guest that I'm sure he could answer, or at least help me finding my answer, I'd like to make something available for your consideration, Art.
Among other things, including an interest in electronics, I also, like you have alluded to many times on your show that I've heard, I have no problem with conceptualizing a creator of all of this phenomenon that I find myself and everyone else in.
But God's always been a tough thing for me to nail down.
And then I started trying to analyze, well, what does a creator really mean and what could it be?
And I thought, wait a minute, if a creator does a good enough job, that precludes the necessity for a God to intervene, maintain, sustain, or whatever.
Now, I knew from my comparative studies of various religions that the Eastern, the Hindus especially, they have their trinity consisting of the God that creates, the God that sustains, and the God that destroys, and they have the cycle that goes on and on and on.
And that makes kind of sense to me that a good creator would build a machine that doesn't need repairs, doesn't need anybody to ride the levels or do anything or be there to respond to our needs.
And that's why I've become very comfortable and been able to come back to Christianity, avoiding Christianity and being more concerned with learning about Jesus and what was so good about him.
But that's just the one thing I wanted you to maybe consider that, you know, a creator is all we needed, and the rest is up to us, kind of.
And as far as your experiment with mass mind control, don't worry that your well-intended actions are going to create any lasting or serious harm, because I think that from my 40 years of observation from various positions,
most of the things that I've considered good have always turned out to have effects, repercussions, and ramifications that somehow or another didn't make them look so bright and shiny and perfectly good after a little bit of 2020 hindsight and a little bit more information.
But even to the extent that this one really jerks emotions, I mean, Hitler is pretty well commonly thought of as the epitome of evil, you know, the personification of evil.
And pretty much everybody can kind of agree with that.
But the facts are he probably, with the exception of the six million or more that he, you know, caused grievous bodily harm, if not death and torture to, he probably has really been more instrumental than any single person in affecting the Zionist realization of their state of Israel only three years after his demise.
And, you know, you could say that's good, but then now you could say that the existence of Israel may be the beginning of World War III.
So the problem is not with what's good and what's evil.
The problem is us making those arbitrary determinations, I think.
Because everything that's ever happened to me that I've hated the worst has been somebody doing something that they thought was best for me.
And that's just the thing I would offer there.
And if you want to try something instead of weather control, because you don't want people to have car accidents and feel responsible or whatever, have your audience consider going out under the night sky and making some stars spin around and let's mess with some whole civilizations possibly.
Okay, well, for someone who's studying Christ-oriented teachings, then.
You know, it's intriguing.
You know, the issue of the creator deity or the non-creator deity, Stephen Hawkins talks about, for instance, that the universe is self-creating.
And there's absolutely no need for God to do anything, is what it boils down to.
However, I don't think we can eliminate the mystery, or quite frankly, the reality of our own consciousness and the way the consciousness interfaces with collective Effects in nature, for instance.
Now, it's my belief from similar studies in Buddhism, etc., etc., that we can reclaim our Buddha nature.
In Zen, they present you with a Quran where they say if you do something, you lose your Buddha nature, and if you do nothing, you lose your Buddha nature.
And the term mind control, for instance, to some of the suggestions about collective acts of consciousness, I would not use exactly that term myself.
I would say that if we form collective consensus that arises out of what we might refer to as our inner Christ or our inner Buddha nature, and then trying to reflect on that, we will find that we have a natural harmonic or a natural harmony with the forces around us.
But then we still then observe those particular results.
St. Paul himself said, have no concern, because all things conspire to a common good.
Well, you know, Don Juan's concept of the predatory universe, I think, is going a little overboard in the idea that death is what the universe is all about.
He would have to, in my opinion, push past it and see himself reborn in another universe because the universe dies and recreates itself, as the gentleman was implying before, because it says Brahma wakes and Brahma sleeps.
So there's just infinite potential available to each and every one of us.
I do like his models of dreaming.
I think that probably Castanata's most comprehensive book was The Art of Dreaming and the idea that there are non-organic beings, etc., etc.
I have certainly encountered some of those psychic states in my own adventures per se.
But I don't agree with the conclusion that the universe is a predatory universe.
I think it's a place of infinite potential.
unidentified
Yeah, there's differing views among the different seers that are in the party.
If you've read all the books, there's a lot of duality.
Yeah, I think his two most comprehensive books are his first work, you know, The Teachings of Don Moa, The Eagle's Gift has a lot of clarity and The Art of Dreaming.
unidentified
Daniel Brinkley spoke of having a panoramic life review several times during his near-death experiences.
In several of Castaneda's books, he talks about doing exactly that while we're still alive, and he calls it the recapitulation.
Trying to do a panoramic life review.
And by doing so, regaining our power and our energy.
And by doing that, that will help us become seers, see the world as it really is, and ourselves as we really are.
The whole concept behind Zen Buddhism is that one of the powerful points to contemplate are the events of one's life.
And as they come into context, it's like there's a self-forgiveness that occurs.
So you're no longer dominated by emotions like guilt or, gee, could I have done something different, et cetera, et cetera.
And just in fundamental psychology, you're reclaiming a basic sense of yourself that empowers you to then move on to other more extraordinary creations in life.
judgment show in other words if you have a panoramic panoramic life review We'll do it right after the break, so stay right there, Kevin.
Kevin Ryerson is my guest.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified
If you could read my mind, love what a tale my thoughts could tell.
Just like an old-time movie, about a ghost from a wish him well.
In a castle dark or a fortress strong, with chains upon my feet, you know that ghost is me.
And I will never be set free.
As long as I'm a ghost, you can't see.
If I could reach your...
Darkness, my old friend, I've come to talk with you again.
Because a vision softly creeping left its seats while I was sleeping.
And the vision that was planted in my brain still remains within the sound of time.
In restless dreams I walked away Arrow streets of cobblestone Near the hill of a street land I turned my collar to the cold and pale When my eyes were spared by the flash of a neon light Split the night
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And the people bowed and prayed To a neon god they made And the sign scratched out its warning In the word that it was forming And the sign said the words of the prophets Are written on the subway walls The tenement hall They really do have meaning, don't they?
Mr. Ryerson, this is one of the greatest honors of my life getting to speak to you.
Oh, wow, well, thank you.
I didn't run across Out on a Limb until just over a year ago.
And for a year and a half prior to that time, I had been experiencing quite a bit of what Shirley went through without the travel and without the study.
Everything I've learned has hit me between the eyes like a two-before.
And you were talking earlier about reincarnation and about the fact that we are spiritual beings coming into the physical form to experience things which we had previously set in motion.
Okay, at least one school of reincarnationism teaches that we choose the life we're going to live.
Now, this is going to be a very unpopular view of what went on in Littleton, Colorado a month ago.
If we choose the life we are to live, did not each one of those people who died then choose that end?
Well, the theory of reincarnation in general says that people have a choice in their lives, which also meant the perpetrators of the incident had choices that they could have made also.
In other words, they could have exercised free will and come into some type of consciousness.
The classic thing is that illness happens in the world when good people take no action.
Also, I'd like to point out there were a number of heroic individuals.
The young woman who, when literally staring death in the face, chose to express her belief in deity, in God.
So therefore, heroic choices are available to us also.
And I think that's one of the things we can focus on when we subscribe to these kinds of belief in reincarnation.
unidentified
Okay, well, I've been bothered by that one for the last month.
Torn between, well, you know, this is what they chose.
There is a reason for this.
And then seeing the turmoil that has been kept going.
I think the key to it is that just because choices were made per se, it doesn't mean that it should be dissociative from your compassion, your feelings.
And the idea that there are other alternatives is what it boils down to because choices are being made all the time.
I think one of the important choices is that the Kabbalah says that when judgment overwhelms love, that's when evil enters into the world.
So I think the key here is that we need to make our observations, stay in touch with our compassion, and know that choices are being made all the time.
Oh, it's, you know, on occasion what happens is it's just like with every website, there's occasional tinkering going on either by the webmaster or occasional tinkering with it by the actual server per se.
Some people were giving accounts that, you know, that.
My comment is, I kind of think, you know, I kind of agree that we're moving into this change.
I mean, it's totally obvious from the last hundred years.
I mean, we have magic at our fingertips.
We have synchronized explosions that propel us in these chariots of fire we call cars.
We have, you know, we've got electricity that comes from water.
There's fire, water.
I mean, we have all the elements manifested at our fingertips.
I mean, we have the capacity for paradise on Earth, but yet, I mean, I don't know.
I just don't understand it.
If you were a being of light from another galaxy and you came to this planet above it and just sensed its vibration, I mean, it would be like a universal joke or a cry, one of the two.
So I just, I don't know.
I mean, the Bible says the work of men's hands is gold, and I guess the streets are paved with gold.
Just the way I look at it, it's like, I mean, if you look at the last hundred years, 100 years before that, 100 years before that, it was all pretty much the same until the last hundred years we're just moving into this new vibration.
And then, you know, this consciousness, this higher force or whatever, people associated with, you know, various forms of nature and science and stuff, you know, inventions manifest.
We got, you know, we got the car.
We got the Wright brothers.
They have the right idea.
I mean, all these inventions were for a basic need.
They were for, you know, to make our lives better, not, you know, now look what we got.
You know, it's just, I don't know.
I mean, my question is, do you think that is somehow is the media figured out or looked in the mirror.
The media figured out actually what they were doing and what they were creating.
I mean, it's like, you know, I mean, the media says this and says that and says this, and then it's like our society acts like that.
It's like, I don't know, it's like every internal thought is magic because it affects external action.
It's intriguing because the media always has these statements where they'll say, you know, your advertising dollars can influence millions of people.
And then simultaneously they will advocate it going, no, we're just giving accounts of what's occurring, and the media has actually no influence on, you know, general behavior whatsoever.
And yet Madison Avenue spends millions of dollars to do exactly that.
And one of the things that is pointing out is that originally we did seem to have a much more profound consciousness in the media.
Edmund Morrow, for instance, is considered one of the true icons.
You might consider him the Joe DiMaggio of the media.
Is it an inevitable thing that occurs as you simply get too big?
I look at companies.
Small companies are spry.
They take risks.
They make fast decisions.
They can move quickly.
They're lean and mean.
And it seems like the larger a company gets, the more bureaucratic it becomes, until finally it passes some sort of point and it begins to be inefficient.
And that continues until it's either goes broke or it restructures completely.
And their whole idea is that when they reach that certain epic cycle of getting too big, their whole thing is that they try to see what they can do to spin off into new industries that are completely self-contained entities in themselves and start that growth cycle all over again.
And I had a couple thoughts and a couple questions.
Have you ever considered that, you know, with the way the ozone layer is and they're seeing lightning coming from places they've never seen before, that it's just our sins are reaching unto heaven?
In the Middle Ages, they used to think that comets were maybe the sins actually reaching what they call the eithers and were sparking the end of the world.
But one WAG pointed out, well, you know, there's so much sin in the world that the whole atmosphere would have caught on fire by this point in time.
unidentified
Yeah.
And also it's like, I believe that this is the time for us to be, okay, like the first time my parents ever let us watch ourselves instead of having a babysitter.
It's kind of like God saying, okay, this is your chance to prove to me that you love me because you love me.
Not because you have to and it's the end time.
But it's our chance to do what we're supposed to do in this world on our own instead of being babysat.
I think as another intriguing insight, the book of Revelation talks about that there's a period of time where there's four angels that hold in abeyance the events described in the book of Revelation.
And some people feel that we're in that period of time, that maybe we are becoming God's adults.
And by observing our behavior, we're in a period of time now where maybe we can exercise free will in an adult-like manner and set aside a lot of the negative consequences that are obviously occurring on the planet at this time.
unidentified
Yeah.
Also, too, I did this drawing.
I kind of like that guy that does the insight thing with the drawings.
I forget what it's called.
But there's been times I've just sat down and started drawing, and there's this one that I couldn't figure out for a long time.
And then one day I was sitting there thinking, dark and light.
And I looked up and the moon was out, and it was the fingernail type one.
And that's what that picture was.
And for some reason, the thought occurred to me that the bottomless pit could be there.
They always talk about the men and the moon.
And have you noticed the face that you can see in it here lately?
And all the how many moons have we had so far this year, two each month?
Fortunately, there are some studies that suggest that consciousness may travel faster than the speed of light.
They've done experiments with telepathy where information was broadcast, say, over the radio, and information was broadcast by telepathy, and it apparently got there ahead of the radio broadcast.
Well, there were actually a couple of astronauts, I know because I've interviewed them, who conducted experiments on the way to the moon and claimed some success, as a matter of fact.
You know, maybe right now in the future, Art, there's some reincarnation of us sitting there actually verbally saying nothing, but just sort of like broadcasting a million people, millions of people through telepathy.
I feel that my particular purpose is to help people do exactly that, is to help isolate what is considered to be their Dharma, their personal purpose, something that I refer to that springs out of their own talents, is something they love to do, and so therefore is self-sustaining.
It's what in Buddhism they call right labor, and that's what I feel that channels do.
There's been a tendency for people to focus a lot on what is my karma or what is my life lessons to the point where they have made so many judgments about themselves to where they feel there's these almost overwhelming burdens to overcome.
Where its twin word dharma means the energy that does the work.
And the dharma is the real purpose, the real service, the real enlightenment that the person is here to experience.
And that is something inherent within them to be a service to themselves and other people.
Well, I wanted to know, I wanted to thank you for your guest because he's saying so many things that touch so many points both generally and specifically about areas of spirituality that I believe in and also that resonate with things that Mehribaba has said.
And I wanted to ask your guest, does he know about Maribaba and does he have any feelings about this avataric age that we're in?
And his whole thing was that he had a Dharma almost like Mother Teresa in a way, and going to place where he felt that people were suffering the most intensely, including places like asylums and things to this effect, because he felt that's where joy was needed the most.
I believe he was a contemporary of Yogananda, for instance.
unidentified
Well, he claimed to be the avatar of the age and ascribed a lot of the acceleration of consciousness with all its attendant good and evil and all the things that art calls the quickening to be the result of the avatar's advent.
Well, you know, there's debates going on whether or not we're entering a new age.
And it's the idea that maybe we're coming out of what is called the Kaya Yuga, which was a period of darkness.
The Hopi prophecy spoke of a 400-year period of darkness that they feel we're coming out of.
And, you know, what I like is that I once heard it above all people defined nicely by Oprah Wingrey, where she said that avatars like Jesus came here not to teach us about their divinity, but to teach us about our divinity.
unidentified
Beautiful.
Yes, I completely agree that it's within us ultimately.
Well, thanks, Art, and thanks for having your guest, and I really hope you'll get in touch with me and that you'll take the opportunity to talk about Bob on your show someday.
And it goes to say the government knew about the problem since the 60s at the Y2K.
And in 1967, the House orders the National Bureau of Standards to settle the debate.
And under pressure from the Pentagon, the Bureau sticks with the two-year digit.
Then in 1993, Curious Sneak Watchers at NORAD turn their computer clocks forward to January 1st, 2000, and the ICBM alert system crashes.
And then they say six weeks ago when I was at home, I was watching the satellite and I was watching the Senate hearings and they were debating on a bill on the limit liability.
They can't decide to limit liability and I would imagine that's probably the attorneys lobbying to keep everything wide open because they're going to be the winners.
I've sort of thought over the years Kevin that eventually attorneys by percentage will own the entire world.
But really when you think about it, as litigation continues and continues and they keep taking a percentage and a percentage, finally they win everything.
You know, the interesting thing is that there are attorneys that realize that the adversarial process and litigation they feel is consuming the society to such a degree that they almost feel as though that there will be nothing left.
It's creating all these bottlenecks.
And there's actually a group of attorneys referred to as a society of holistic attorneys, and they are now advocates of what they refer to as negotiation resolutions rather than litigation.
And it's the idea that they work privately with parties to bring about a mutually agreeable resolution that then in turn becomes legally binding on both parties.
In other words, there is a resolution process and they all sign off on it.
But they want to start seeing themselves as negotiators or arbitrators rather than litigators.
One, a lot of people who are spiritual people have ceased to think of themselves as being in the minority.
And they've started thinking in what they refer to as the majority world, which, for instance, the majority of the world believes in reincarnation, you know, as a fundamental principle.
They believe in things like prayer, meditation, and they believe that collectively, you know, that they can eventually be synchronistic with each other.
But we're still looking for the common language that allows us to concentrate on the things that are worthwhile.
Demographically, in the United States, the Institute of Noetic Sciences, which is one of our premier holistic think tanks founded by Edgar Mitchell, the astronaut, has come up with what they refer to as the demographics of the cultural creatives.
And these are people who are looking for what they call authentic psychic values.
And the belief there is that there is 45 million of these people who are now thinking this way in the United States.
And so we're not alone.
And the bottom line is that what to concentrate on, you know those ahas that you got?
Yeah, you see, my whole thing is that if you wake up with that aha, that's the pitch.
That's the pitch pipe that's going to tune up your whole inner orchestra.
And then that is the music that you're going to play all day long.
In Buddhism, they say that when you experience joy, let the event fall away and preserve the joy.
So rather than going out and looking for event A or B or C to make you happy, just go ahead and remember that aha moment and make that your meditation.
That's what you focus on.
And then everything else will begin to revolve around that new nucleus.
unidentified
Do you travel around and give seminars, et cetera?
Well, you know, your dharma is really inherent in your talents.
It's the thing that you do well, you love to do it, and so therefore it is self-sustaining.
And that might initially be a hobby, it might be a social service you do, but it gives you so much energy, it almost sustains you through anything else you might want to endeavor to do.
Most of the Rockies, you're on there with Kevin Ryerson.
Hi.
unidentified
Yes, good morning, gentlemen.
Good morning.
I have 38 questions.
I have just a couple of questions.
First of all, it's really a pleasure of speaking with you of Kevin.
I've read a lot of your stuff and aware of you through Shirley McClain stuff.
And also, I wanted to tell you, Aud, that thing with the Croc Circle, it's a member of the Rockefeller family that's going to be putting up the money for that.
Have you ever heard of a statement, I separated myself from myself in order to become myself?
Instead of thinking of God as exploding and being some toss, you know, being an infinite mass and then exploding, but of separating myself from myself in order to become myself.
There's some Kabbalahistic mysteries that talks about, as well as there's some very ancient Egyptian texts when talking about the creation deity, Amun, that talks about that.
In fact, in the Kabbalah, there's some very intriguing notions in the idea that God chose to actually withdraw from the physical world as an act of love in order to give permission for the creation to occur.
unidentified
Kevin, don't you think that it's really not a good thing that people should think of God in terms of agenda, as far as being a father, a man, but as a person?
Well, I think that it's a unique tool that, let's put it this way, the Old Testament deity is acknowledged even amongst many Kabbalists and many Jewish mystics that the Old Testament deity, in relationship to, say, in the story of Job, appeared to be very wrathful and very distant, even though there were beautiful passages and poetic references to how personal the deity was.
And then when Jesus began to use the metaphorical reference of God the Father and the God the Father being within, many people felt that poetically restored like a family-alike and personal relationship with the deity, making comprehensible the psychic and emotional makeups that are alluded to in the deity in the Bible.
I think it has its uses.
unidentified
It's very interesting that you keep on going to Kabbalistic things because I studied with Kabbalists and being born Jewish, all four of my grandparents are Koyanim.
Mr. Ryerson, a couple of people have beat me to this asking about life purpose.
But now I've known for a very long time, I might say over half my life, what my passion was and what I've always wanted to do, which is an entertainment.
I haven't had any real success in doing that.
But yet that feeling that this is what I'm supposed to be doing does not leave me for one moment.
Could it be that I'm blocking myself in some way or is there some or am I just a very interesting question?
Kevin, in my case, I was extremely lucky or fortunate or karma was right or, you know, who knows what's aligned out there, but I am doing exactly what I want to be doing.
For other people like this lady, her life is driving her in one direction, but it is not working.
Well, I think that what it is, is that it's the way the talent expresses itself.
For instance, in a way, just being on the show here, there's a certain entertainment value that has to be in every program.
Absolutely.
In fact, there is now a whole movement called edutainment, synthesizing the word education and entertainment.
And I suppose as a person who's interested in entertainment, the classic advice is finding out who your audience is and then sticking with them is one of the things to adhere here to.
One suggestion is to sort of visualize the range of entertainment the person might want to enter into and then begin to, by meditating on it, see what series of synchronicities will begin to occur that reinforces the direction that the person wants to pursue.
It's sort of the Taoist strategy that says that rather than looking at your career or your work and entertainment like a mountain, that you have to climb and exhaust yourself, think of it as more like you are in a valley and then the mountains bring you everything that you need.
I know that in order to get a message out, you have to get people's attention.
And I recall so many of my teachers in early years in school, they just bored a person to tears.
I mean, I was driven to watching the clock tick on the wall instead of listening to what they would say.
But then occasionally you would get a teacher, like my fifth grade science teacher, who was just absolutely astounding and made everything come alive, grabbed your attention, grabbed your brain, and then sort of educated at the same time, entertained and educated, and it all boom, boom, boom, worked.
And actually, you're almost quoting a case history that there was a person who had the ability to entertain.
And eventually what they discovered their Dharma was, is that and who their audience was, was children per sight.
And that by synthesizing their ability to entertain, which they considered initially the antithesis of intellectualism, when they synthesized the two, they really became one of the best noted teachers in the educational field.
And that, again, to me is that restoring that emotional intelligence that we're talking about.
I know that in some of the readings I've done recently on Edgar Casey, he said the most important thing anybody can do right now, where we are in this place that we're in, is to realize our purpose here.
And when you read a little further, you understand that he breaks it down, that you have to learn the difference between personality and individuality, and a whole lot of just getting out of your own way kind of helps.
There's an excellent book put out by the Edgar Casey folks.
It's called Edgar Casey Stories of Attitudes and Emotions.
And it's a very, very powerful work for people, in particular, readers of the Edgar Casey material.
But the material is broken down so succinctly that almost any reader, whether you subscribe to spirituality or psychology, no matter what your beliefs, you could find this to be an extraordinary volume as a way for coping with the future shock we're dealing with, coping with these times of testings that Casey spoke of in this 40-year period of history that's coming to a climax here in the year 2000.
And it's an extraordinary work.
unidentified
Yes, I've read some of that.
I haven't quite finished that one just yet, but you're right about that.
It will touch you very deeply.
Also, I want to ask you, are you familiar with Tuesday Lobsang Rampa?
Well, there's a wonderful person by the name of Situ Rinpoche who is a currently living monk.
He's fairly young.
I think he's just entered his 40s.
And he's a member of what is called the Kayayuja lineage in Tibet.
It's one of the four Tibetan lineages.
And he adds up being a mentor to what is called the Karmapa, who would be the equivalent of the Dalai Lama, that lineage.
And he was teaching one day, and one of his students stood up and says, you know, teacher, as the tales about Shambhala, it speaks about that there are wheels that come out from Shambhala and test the earth.
That there's the silver wheel that goes out to see what the karma of the planet is.
And then if the karma of the planet is high or good, the gold wheel comes out and brings a golden age.
But if there's negative karma on the planet, the iron wheel goes out and the lords of karma incarnate, and humanity must suffer the consequences of it, the karma.
So the ancient myths and the ancient story keepers, this knowledge, they are very, very keenly aware that there is a holistic linkage between these times, extraterrestrials, and that knowledge indeed is becoming more forthcoming.
unidentified
All right.
And Casey mentioned, too, that if America does not wake up and become more like what you're talking about to bring forward a golden age, so to speak, that as always, as it's been shown in history, civilization will die out and move westward.
So if we want to maintain what we have and improve on it, then we just need to wake up, don't we?
My private joke to you would be is that with China supposedly raiding all of our scientific secrets and everything, they appear to want what we have to move westward, being that China is the first thing we sort of get when we get there.
But on a slightly more serious note, I would have to say that I'm hoping that 45 million cultural creatives, that is citizens here in the U.S., who are beginning to wake up, that if we, one of the most materialistic of societies, have the ability of creating the ability to destroy civilization, perhaps it's, as Barbara Marks Hubber said, we have an equal capacity to create an entire new civilization.
I've been to Japan extensively, and I have an extensive number of Chinese national clients, and I've had invitations to go to Hong Kong, but I have not yet been to Chinese mainland.
I've been to both, and I think there was never a scarier experience for me than going up into the pseudo-economic areas of China and then further on up into Canton and so forth.
It is frightening because you realize that they are now rapidly moving toward what we were and will rapidly move so far beyond us given enough time that we will be forced in the end, and I know this sounds terrible to most Americans, but we're going to have to either join them or they're going to pass us like a Ferrari going by a guy with a flat tire.
Well, sort of a want to get Kevin's take on something.
When you speak on all these different philosophies and disciplines, Eastern and biblical, perhaps the best thing that I haven't heard anybody mention is that truth is simply universal in every one of these disciplines.
Every one of them talks about having a creator and a plan, a purpose, that sort of thing.
Good karma, bad karma.
Just like our parents who say if they taught you about Christianity, talk about God kept his little book with gold marks and black marks and so on.
Well, some Eastern religions believe in building up good karma, bad karma.
And perhaps maybe, I just want to get your take on this.
The easiest thing to connect all of those for people to really realize is that truth is simply universal, no matter where you're at.
Well, a little more feedback would be that I have a favorite story.
It was about a Buddhist monk.
Actually, he was his end master, who had never read the Christian Bible before, ever.
And so he had a student open up the Christian Bible and read to him.
And basically, the student just randomly opened it up and turned to the phrase that says, consider the lilies of the field, neither do they toil nor they spin.
And yet Solomon, as the king, was never adorned such as these.
And the Zen master thought a moment, contemplated it, and then turned to the student and said, I like that.
Whoever said that is very close to Buddhahood.
unidentified
I did have a comment for art.
Sure.
Have you ever heard of the Global Biological Assessment?
I think you've hit on what's called the rabbi's gift.
First of all, Finhorn's one of my favorite places on the planet to visit.
I enjoy lecturing there.
And I think I can count David Spangler amongst some of my peer group per se.
The rabbi's gift was that it's a story that's told where there was a rabbi who lived in the woods close to a monastery.
And members of the monastery, their order, was dying.
So they went to visit the rabbi, and they broke bread with him, and the rabbi talked about the difficult times in the synagogue.
And suddenly, the rabbi had a revelation for the monks saying, well, the only thing I can tell you is that one of you is the Messiah.
And the monks, suddenly, being aware that one of them might be the Messiah, pondered who it might be.
And they thought, well, you know, it might be so-and-so because he's always there when you need him, or it might be the abbot because he's the most wise.
But not knowing which of them it might be the Messiah, they started treating each other with more and more respect, just in case one of them might be the Messiah.
And that was the rabbi's gift.
I think we need to treat each of ourselves as though we just might be the Messiah.