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Dannion Brinkley, a lightning-strike survivor and NDE expert with three documented near-death experiences—including 28 minutes of clinical death—shares his "life review" encounters, where he relived past actions under intense judgment, contrasting them with others’ fear-based visions. He critiques Hal Lindsay’s prophecy-driven dogma while linking Y2K power grid disruptions to potential spiritual awakening, citing Egypt’s March 1999 tomb opening and Compassion in Action’s volunteer work. Meanwhile, developer Michael Bauman defies legal and ethical delays to bulldoze the sacred Miami Circle site, risking destruction of a 13,000-year-old Indigenous ceremonial center, despite federal protections under the OAS Convention. Brinkley’s insights challenge conventional views of death, consciousness, and even history’s hidden dimensions. [Automatically generated summary]

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South Miami Preservation Offerings 00:12:46
unidentified
Welcome to Art Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from February 10th, 1999.
art bell
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, or good morning, as the case may be, across all these time zones, stretching commercially from the Tahitian, the exotic Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands.
Well, I've got to get over there.
Really do.
All the way east to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole worldwide on the internet.
And now out about 15 light years.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
I'm Mark Bell.
Hello there.
We're going to have a busy, busy night.
Let me tell you where we're going first from the Miami Herald.
February 10th, today's edition.
Headline.
Developer gets tough about dig.
No further delays, officials are told.
Developer Michael Bauman hardened his stand Tuesday with local officials trying to preserve the Miami Circle archaeological site, notifying the country and the county locally there that he will not entertain, listen to this, will not entertain any offers to buy the land or accept further construction delays.
Now that's interesting.
No entertainment of any offer to buy the land.
Anyway, with time short and the options narrowing, Miami-Dade County Mayor Pinellis, I think it is, said he plans to call the White House today.
That would have been earlier today.
Federal authorities previously have said the matter is out of their hands.
So this is getting really, really serious.
Coming up with an update in a moment, Richard C. Hoagland, Robert Ghostwolf, and Enid Pinckney, who is the first African-American president of the Dade Heritage Trust.
And as a matter of fact, she is the one who, I believe, was responsible for getting the court order that got all of this delay.
And there's more to tell about her, and we will.
So all of that coming up, and in the next hour, of course, the most famous dead guy in the world, Daniel Brinkley, after last night's program, that's going to be a very an exceptionally interesting program tonight with Daniel.
So stand by for that.
all on tap tonight was continuing a little bit with this story from the miami herald today
The county manager told a commissioner's meeting, listen to this Tuesday, that Bauman, the developer, his stand is now rock hard.
He will not consider offers to buy the property, will not accept county reimbursement for additional delays, will not allow county engineers to study the feasibility of adjusting his construction plans to build around the site.
So that must be the current worry, I would guess, as we join our guests, Richard Hoagland, Robert Ghostwolf, and Enid Bignay.
Richard, is that roughly accurate?
richard c hoagland
It is roughly accurate.
There has been an increasing hardening of position since the commission meeting last Friday.
And it's very curious.
Normally, when someone has received the accolades that Bauman received initially for being bright enough to realize the significance of the find and allowing Bob Carr and his archaeologists working for the preservation people to move in since last September and uncover this 38-foot circle and really understand its uniqueness in all of North America,
if not even the world, everyone was very optimistic that Mr. Bauman really was on the side of truth, justice, the American way, and understood what it is to be a hero in an era where there are fewer and fewer real heroes.
art bell
He also, I should add, in his behalf, he offers to pay whatever it takes to move the circle to a new location.
He does make that offer.
richard c hoagland
The problem is that every archaeologist and every ethnologist and every group which has looked at this, ranging from Native Americans to the Commission itself, the Dade County Commission, are all universally against this option because it in essence destroys what is an ancient cathedral, an ancient sacred temple, a point of land at the mouth of the Miami River that for at least 2,000 years,
judging from the artifacts that Bob Carr has turned up, and probably a lot longer given some of the information we're going to talk about later tonight.
art bell
2,000 years, but at minimum, that's at the birth of Christ.
Absolutely.
That's not.
richard c hoagland
And I mean, this is like trying to move St. Paul's, or cutting up the Sistine Chapel.
art bell
Yeah, I hear you.
richard c hoagland
And one of the most tragic and poignant moments of this afternoon was an Indian woman, a Native American woman, who came a very great distance and attempted to go to the fence and inveigle the guards to let her in to pray on this site.
And she stood in front of about 300 people in the auditorium over at the university when Dr. Carr, Mr. Carr was giving his presentation.
art bell
Yes.
richard c hoagland
And she cried.
She wept in front of all these people because Bauman has put up a double fence.
He absolutely will not even let Native Americans or Indigenous peoples from anywhere in the world come and venerate what is a very obviously now sacred site in a nation.
art bell
Why not?
Why not?
I mean, everything else given his hardening of position, his saying he'll pay to move it.
Right now, why would he not allow Native Americans on the land to pray?
Now, that one I don't get.
Robert Newswolf is here.
richard c hoagland
That went to Robert, yes.
art bell
Robert, do you have any answer to that?
robert ghostwolf
The only thing, I spent several hours yesterday evening in Miami with the spiritual leader of the Seminole Nations.
And he also is having difficulty.
And he also knows there's a lot more to this than that is there.
And the only thing that we can surmise is there's something beyond what the obvious is.
art bell
Well, look, if ground-penetrating radar were brought in, then I can understand, which Richard, of course, wants done and a lot of people want done.
Then you might imagine the developer is nervous that more would be found.
And then, of course, the case would be a lot tougher to plow this thing down or move it or whatever.
To deal with it publicly, it would get a lot tougher.
So I understand that.
But what I don't understand is why I mean, I understand it.
I don't agree with it, but I understand it from his point of view.
But how is his case injured by not allowing Native Americans on the site to pray?
I'm sorry.
unidentified
I don't know.
art bell
It makes no sense, Art.
robert ghostwolf
He's actually creating a nightmare that I don't think he realizes the ramifications of yet.
richard c hoagland
Well, he is being advised by a public relations firm, and I think he ought to fire them because it's the most executable advice if he's following their advice.
And the only thing I can think of, and maybe Enid can contribute to this part of the discussion, is that he is terrified that if there is an image on television of elders or Native peoples praying, the image of this as a sacred cathedral to another set of traditions will be infused in that marvelous medium of television in people's hearts and minds, and the groundswell to save this in place will grow.
And he wants it out of sight, out of mind as quickly as possible, and on with a $120 million project.
art bell
All right, well, that's all I've been able to imagine, too.
Bad PR, he'd think.
All right.
Enid Pinckney is with us.
She is the first African-American president of the Dade Heritage Trust.
And by the way, I guess responsible, we'll ask, for the first court order that somehow got this stopped or delayed for a short time.
She's also a former school principal.
And hello, Enid.
unidentified
Hello, how are you?
art bell
I'm fine.
Did your group, in fact, get this delayed in court, and what did you do?
unidentified
Well, actually, we filed suit to do that, but we were not awarded that opportunity.
The judge did not agree.
art bell
So he actually ruled against you then?
unidentified
Yes.
But we feel that by so doing, it brought about the delay.
Mr. Balbert did say that he would give until the 26th of this month for Mr. Carr to continue the research there.
And we feel that it was the suit that helped to bring this about.
And I don't know why the judge did not agree with us, except that since he said he would extend the time, maybe that's why we...
art bell
So you were a point of pressure?
unidentified
Well, okay, yes.
art bell
So you were a point of pressure.
All right, Enid, why did you even make the effort?
In other words, what do you believe about this circle there in Miami that moved you to take such action?
unidentified
Well, we are a preservation organization.
And we felt that this is what we say we do.
We try to preserve our heritage and we try to preserve our culture.
art bell
Those are worthy goals.
What do you think you're preserving in this case, is what I'm asking you?
unidentified
Now, what we think that we are preserving is a contribution to all of us by Native Americans who left either something scientific or they left a mystery for us to try to understand their...
civilization.
And of course, we cannot understand their civilization unless we study the civilization.
art bell
Nor can we understand how old it is, I suppose, until we study it further.
unidentified
Right, right.
And that's another reason why we want to preserve it.
Certainly don't want to see a parking lot covering it, because then we will not have the opportunity to learn what it is, what it's all about and and that is something that's very important to us.
Enid, I understand you were a former school principal where well, I was assistant principal, really at South Miami when I went there.
I was there for 20 years.
When I went there it was a junior high school and then they turned it into a middle school, but it's South Miami middle school which is located in South Miami, Florida.
art bell
What do you think is going to happen now, Enid?
From a legal point of view, Bauman's position has hardened.
He's talking about paying to move it, but he says he won't sell.
He won't entertain offers to sell, nor entertain offers to delay this anymore.
He's gonna go ahead come what may.
He says, is that good?
Is there anything in it that legally, can stand in his way from doing that?
Would Consider It A Miracle 00:06:58
unidentified
Well, I guess we haven't really figured out, although we are trying to see if there are other angles that we can take.
Personally and I guess I would consider myself to be a person who well, I would consider myself to be a spiritual person, and I feel that we have to continue to pray for one thing, and that this is really.
This has gotten beyond all of us.
Nobody seems to know just what to do, and I know we talked about I believe her name is Gita, and I went to a vigil last night as she performed some of the Indian rituals at Britain.
richard c hoagland
She is a Mayan priestess who has been conducting ceremonies on the site almost every day for a week.
unidentified
Right.
richard c hoagland
Or close to the site, as close as the sense will permit.
And last night there was another candlelight vigil.
They're now regularly held one week apart Tuesday night starting at 5.30.
And Gita held a marvelous, she has an incredible voice.
And in fact, we're hoping to have her on the show on Friday night to lead the nation in a ceremony to appeal to Mr. Bauman's better instincts and his higher sense of who we all are.
Because somehow I feel this situation is not beyond salvage at all.
I'm frankly more optimistic tonight than I've been for the last few weeks that I've been here.
art bell
Based on what?
richard c hoagland
Based on a sense of people on the ground.
Enid is only one of all kinds of people who've come together and who are really cooperating in an effort, political, cultural, spiritual, financial, to make a miracle happen.
And I have come to believe that this is almost like a symbolic moment where people, as I said a couple nights ago, decide enough is enough and we do something different.
And the more we learn scientifically, Bob Carr gave a very brilliant presentation this afternoon where he laid out some things that I didn't know about what they had discovered and how far back this goes.
art bell
I've been reading about Bob Carr, by the way, and maybe we can talk a little bit about that.
That he was actually due to retire a few two, three weeks ago.
richard c hoagland
That's right.
art bell
That this has sort of held him there.
And Bob Carr is the archaeologist there, right?
richard c hoagland
He is the chief archaeologist who's part of the preservation group appointed by the county.
He has a very tiny staff.
art bell
All right, what is Bob Carr's main argument now?
I mean, what's he saying about the circle?
richard c hoagland
Well, he is believing that it's at least 2,000 years old.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
richard c hoagland
And that it could be much older.
He acknowledged tonight that it could be much older.
He showed close-ups of the basins.
He showed how they have a remarkable pattern that they are recurring around the circle.
In other words, there appears to be certain geometry to the basins and certain parts of the circle that are duplicated on the opposite side of the circle.
So whoever did this was a very sophisticated cartographic and engineering expert or experts.
And the minimum, I mean, he affirmed everything I said the other night about this being at the mouth of a delta where the river, you know, and hurricanes tend to destroy the ground cover so that what you basically have is a stripped area that has new stuff that comes down.
And by new, we mean 2,000 years.
It could be much older.
He acknowledges now that some of his own people are saying it could be much older.
And there could be more.
Everyone now admits freely that while giving lip service to preserving and investigating, Bauman has restricted Bob and his colleagues to only that 50 square foot circle.
art bell
All right, Richard, I'm a realist.
I'm a pragmatist.
And when I look at this and I read the stories right now, I'm glad you're optimistic, but it doesn't sound good.
And so far, I haven't heard one person say, well, look, there's something legal that can still stop this, because it sounds to me like you're saying there's nothing legal that can stop this anymore, except to plead with Mr. Bauman not to do it.
And his position is like hard as a rock.
Now, is that inaccurate?
richard c hoagland
As of tonight.
unidentified
Now what?
May I interrupt here?
art bell
Barely, because we're just about out of time.
We'll come right back to you.
Richard E. Ma'am, hold on.
Hold on, please.
Is that accurate, Richard?
richard c hoagland
As of tonight.
art bell
All right, we'll be right back.
unidentified
This is Premier Networks.
That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
Somewhere in Time.
Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from February 10th, 1999.
art bell
This really seems like good bumper music for this topic.
It seems ancient.
Very old.
Kind of unknown.
I'm Art Bell.
Robert Ghostwolf, Richard C. Hoagland, and Enid Pinckney are here.
Enid is the first African-American president of Dade Heritage Trust that tries to save things.
Now, I realize I'm looking at this pragmatically, very hard-bitten, hard-nosed.
But the way I look at it, unless a miracle occurs between now and the 26th, this thing's going to be ripped from the ground as is, best case, and moved.
And then there's going to be cement there.
At least that's the way I look at it this night.
We'll get back to our guests in a moment.
Empress Volunteer Meeting 00:10:14
art bell
Back to my guests now, and that is the situation as I see it right now.
And, of course, I'm always sort of a little pessimistic about things.
Enid Pinckney, you were about to say something or wanted to say something at the bottom of the hour.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Yes, we had a volunteer meeting, I think it was last night, and there was a lady there who says that she is an empress of the Washita Nation, an Indian, or a Native American or an Indigenous person.
And she said that because she is from this nation, that she can file suit on behalf of her people.
art bell
Where?
unidentified
Now, I'm not sure just how this is going to work out.
art bell
I'm not either.
unidentified
I don't know.
richard c hoagland
Well, I do.
This afternoon, at the presentation that Bob Carr made at the university, a law professor, an international law professor who is a guest professor here in Miami stood up.
And he said, he announced that he has written a paper dealing with specifically this type of subject, which is Native peoples, indigenous peoples all over the world whose sacred traditions and burial sites and ceremonial centers have been trampled on and defiled by developers, not just in this country, but all over the planet.
It is about to be published by the Harvard Law Review.
I am attempting to get him to come on the show as a guest art because what he said was that the United States is a signatory to an agreement through the OAS, the Organization of American States, and that if this site is developed without federal stay and intervention on the part of the President and the State Department, the United States will be an outlaw in terms of this convention in the world.
art bell
All right, but according to the Miami Herald, when inquiries were made of the federal government, which were made, they said they had no sway at all.
richard c hoagland
That was yesterday.
This is today.
This is a moving target.
This story is moving at warp nine.
All right, moment by moment, things change.
This came out tonight.
The professor is going to fax me the article tomorrow.
I will take a look at it.
I'll have a couple of lawyers here that I know take a look at it.
The people who have been faxing the White House need to have that input to know specifically what to tell the First Lady and Al Gore, who were two targets of Alex Pinellis' phone call at 1 o'clock this afternoon.
Now, we don't have the results yet of the phone call from the Dade County mayor to the White House.
We will probably find out tomorrow morning in the Miami Herald.
But we now have a legal international convention, which we may be in violation of if the United States government does not step in and buy the time required to do the appropriate thing.
The other piece of news that makes me very optimistic is we now have discovered where Mr. Bauman's money is coming from.
art bell
Richard, you know, I wouldn't expect a dinner invitation to the Bauman home anytime soon here.
richard c hoagland
Okay.
It turns out that the money for this project is coming from the Teamsters, from the unions.
There are a lot of union people across America tonight and beyond listening to us, who I am sure are aghast that their funds are being used to desecrate someone's sacred traditions and religion with absolutely not a whimper, not a wink, not anything but get on with the money.
art bell
If they were to express, I'm not sure that's totally fair to him.
I mean, I understand that.
richard c hoagland
Remember, he will not allow Native Americans to come in.
art bell
I know, I don't like that either.
richard c hoagland
Why is that going on?
art bell
I know, but then I'm not sure your prior statement was fully justified.
In other words, he has made he has delayed the project.
He has offered at his expense.
richard c hoagland
Actually, no, he has not.
While he was waiting for the licenses, there was nothing else that could be done except to let Bob Carr dig in the dirt in that 50.
art bell
Sure, sure.
But he's got them now, right?
He's got the license.
richard c hoagland
He has them now, but there is a certain grace period that is required before he can actually begin construction.
And we don't know the timing on his funds.
Remember, the funds are tied up and there are transfers and his loans begin on a certain date.
That's why this 26th date is a hard and fast date.
That has something to do with the funding.
And that goes back to where the funding is coming from, which we now know is the Teamsters Union.
art bell
Yeah, it also says here in the article for the Herald, in addition, the county's archaeologist, Carr, said Bauman has tightly restricted the dig to a 50-square-foot area, apparently fearing that other antiquities will be found on the 2.2-acre site.
God.
richard c hoagland
Well, the point of leverage I would recommend to Americans tonight is if you're a union member, you know, call up your union and tell them how you feel.
Send a fax.
Find out how to get to the head of the Teamsters.
I don't have his fax number handy, but I'm sure someone can fax it to you art out of the vast Art Bell audience.
art bell
You know, it really is serious, Richard.
I mean, the very least I think Mr. Bauman ought to do if he wants to continue with a good spirit is to allow a full evaluation of the area.
I mean, surely Mr. Bauman does not want to be known as somebody who concreted over an ancient, important site, a truly important site.
And if we don't do a careful examination of the site, which he could still allow now, are you listening, Mr. Bauman, then, you know, you're just going to be forever plagued with this if you have any sort of sense of moral correctness within you.
And I suspect you do, or you would not have done what you've already done, or at least I hope you do.
So I would say let the site be examined or this, you know, after it's concrete, why this is, it's going to be one of those things that hangs over you.
I wouldn't want that, would you?
richard c hoagland
I have a letter here from the University of California, Riverside, from a geophysicist at the University of Riverside who is offering to assemble the kind of equipment to do a proper survey.
art bell
How quickly could it be done?
richard c hoagland
Well, it could be done in a matter of days.
There would be a little bit of money required that we'd have to raise, but I'm sure that we could do that easily.
That's not the only effort that has been put forward.
Jimpy Graves here has identified equipment.
art bell
Right.
Mr. Bauman then could make a good faith move by allowing the kind of examination you're talking about.
There is time remaining to do that.
richard c hoagland
Remember when I said the other night, just as we were going off the air, that there had been a paper discovered, a scientific paper written in the Journal of the Museum of Miami, Museum of Science in Miami.
We now have identified the article.
We have found the article tonight, and it's extraordinary.
It turns out it was written in 1969, referencing the housing project, the five apartments that were built on this site back in 1948.
In 1948, when workmen were creating the foundations for those apartment buildings, they found something.
And this scientist, Dr. Manson Valentine, who was one of the discoverers of the Bimini Road art, he wrote it up in the Museum Journal in 1969, in February, exactly 30 years ago this month.
He described a 30-foot-wide, not 9-foot, as I said, but 30-foot-wide vertical shaft that the workmen explored down to a depth of 60 feet before they gave up and just covered it over and built the apartment house.
art bell
That's absolutely impossible.
richard c hoagland
That's impossible because this site is right at the mouth of the Miami River in the Atlantic Ocean.
art bell
So in the water table is what?
richard c hoagland
The water table is four feet down.
art bell
Four feet down.
richard c hoagland
So if you dig 60 feet down, you've got guys, Indians, we're imagining now, digging underwater, which of course is insane.
So this is telling us that somebody dug a vertical shaft 30 feet across, almost as large as this ceremonial stonehenge-like circle.
art bell
How, Richard, how could that have been?
unidentified
Exactly.
richard c hoagland
There are only two possibilities.
One is extraordinary, and the other is unbelievable.
art bell
Well, all right.
richard c hoagland
The extraordinary is that the site is so old, that this sacred piece of land is so ancient and so revered that it goes back to around the last ice age when the Atlantic Ocean was several hundred feet lower than it is now.
And that means 13 to 14,000 years ago this complex was begun.
That's the extraordinary.
The unbelievable is that it was done more recently in the last several thousand years by a technology that we have only recently reinvented, meaning hydrological pumps and coffer dams and stuff like that.
The fact is that Bob Carr was so excited when I called him earlier tonight and told him we had found through Gypsy Graves' wonderful efforts a hard copy at the museum of this vital article, which will be facts to all interested parties tomorrow morning.
art bell
Oh my.
richard c hoagland
That we think we now have the lever, the scientific lever, to mandate from the White House a stay on this in compliance with the OAS agreement we have signed as a nation to protect indigenous peoples.
Governor's Threat to Atlantis 00:06:25
richard c hoagland
And this is going to give indigenous a whole new meaning, boys and girls, because this is getting wondrously extraordinary.
art bell
Well, there goes even tea time at the Baumans for you.
richard c hoagland
Robert, you've been awfully quiet.
art bell
Yeah, this is some collision story, holding it.
robert ghostwolf
Well, you know, there's all these things that we're talking about which people have to keep sending those faxes in.
richard c hoagland
That's the obstacle.
art bell
I understand.
Get your paper and pencil.
We'll tell you folks relevant.
richard c hoagland
It's something that we should consider.
art bell
What?
robert ghostwolf
You just, you know, just today when I came back to Washington here to work with some of the elders up in here, because I feel I could do more, I got news that Thomas Banyaka has passed away.
unidentified
Oh.
robert ghostwolf
So we are now down to a very few number of the original Hopi Sinum that are left.
But you just don't go around and dig up sites like this.
You don't do that kind of stuff.
As Grandfather Thomas would say, it's bad medicine.
And it's going to unleash things that they might not consider.
art bell
Well, I think, though, again.
I don't know if I'd want to live in that apartment building.
Yeah.
You know, again, I'm thinking the best thing you can do right now is appeal to Mr. Bauman's sense, some sense of moral propriety.
And I'm sure he has some.
robert ghostwolf
I think the governor might appeal to that sense.
art bell
Well, what I want, what I want, who am I?
I want an examination to at least really know what's there.
Not just in the circle, but the 2.2-acre site before we proceed.
Now, I would think Mr. Bauman, after he sits down and thinks about it, would allow that.
I mean, what if he's destroying one of the most important sites we have in the whole country from an archaeological point of view?
That's serious karma.
robert ghostwolf
From a financial point of view, if that's what was discovered, do you realize what he could actually potentially make if it's really that?
art bell
Yeah, I wonder if he's thought about that yet.
That's another good appeal.
You're absolutely correct.
richard c hoagland
Let me bring up something off the wall since we're discussing pretty extraordinary things.
In some of Edgar Casey's readings, and I am involved heavily in a Fox special to air on March 2nd, which deals, among other things, with Edgar Casey's predictions vis-a-vis Egypt.
art bell
Are you talking about, I've got a folder in front of me.
It says, opening the lost tombs.
Live from Egypt, etc.
richard c hoagland
That's the show.
They have expanded our work to an entire segment in that show, which we'll talk about at some other time.
The point is that Casey's readings, which are pretty interesting, refer to the emergence of Atlantis in 1998.
This site was discovered to be as interesting as it is in September of 1998.
art bell
Could actually have something to do with Atlantis.
We don't know any of this.
unidentified
But we need time to find out.
richard c hoagland
Again, the faxes should go to the White House, to the governor, and to CNN, and to Major, Mayor Pinellis.
Those are the four numbers we should give out tonight.
And unequivocally, sources very close to this investigation told me tonight that without the support of the audience all across the country, this thing would have gone under the bulldozer two weeks ago.
art bell
Well, I sure believe that.
All right, the White House phone number, the First Lady, I presume.
richard c hoagland
Directly to the First Lady.
unidentified
Okay.
richard c hoagland
And make reference, if you can remember, to the OAS Convention to Preserve Sacred Sites of Indigenous Peoples, to which we are a signatory.
art bell
Okay, that would be the federal side.
richard c hoagland
That's the federal side.
And I was also told by sources very close to the investigation that federal help and intervention is the only thing they can look to now to save the day.
art bell
All right.
That means lay heavily into this, folks.
Now, what else have you?
richard c hoagland
Governor Jeb Bush.
The Bushes have been incredibly silent.
Even though there's a history of interest in ancient archaeology and they're going to the pyramids in December of this year for the millennium shift, Governor Jeb Bush has been very silent on this.
In fact, there's been not one peep out of the governor's office.
art bell
All right.
richard c hoagland
Again, mention the international implications in how we look in the eyes of the world.
I mean, we don't look very good.
We really don't.
art bell
I don't feel good about this myself, and I'm sitting here in Nevada.
The whole thing makes me sick.
richard c hoagland
And finally, give Mayor Pinellas a pat on the back and let him know that you're with him because he's leading the fight now politically here in Dade County.
art bell
Mayor of Miami, who's healthy?
richard c hoagland
The Mayor of Dade County.
art bell
Oh, Dade County, all right.
richard c hoagland
Dade County, Alex Pinellis.
No, the mayor of Miami's taken a strong position on the opposite side.
unidentified
I see.
art bell
All right, so Mayor of Dade County.
richard c hoagland
Alex Pinellis.
art bell
All right.
We've got a couple of minutes left.
unidentified
The Day Heritage Trust has announced that we're establishing an account for our Save Our Circle, and contributions may be sent to Dade Heritage Trust Historic Preservation Center.
art bell
Robert Ghostwolf, anything final?
robert ghostwolf
I think that it should be mentioned that, from what I've experienced, what's going on is not the sentiment of the people in Miami, and it's definitely not the consentment of...
art bell
Have there been surveys taken of the public's feeling on this?
richard c hoagland
I don't think there has.
art bell
Gee, somebody ought to do that.
Some enterprising radio station.
robert ghostwolf
And there's been a lot of things where suddenly doors are shut down with steel.
art bell
Well, some enterprising radio station like WINZ, for example, in Miami, could do something like that and take a quick poll and find out what the people of Miami think.
Near-Death Insights 00:15:45
unidentified
That'd be a good idea.
art bell
Maybe even the newspaper.
Who knows?
Richard, any final thoughts?
richard c hoagland
I am hopeful.
And I can't give you a specific other than the trend curve on the science and the trend curve on people is positive.
The trend curve on law and Mr. Bauma's position is increasingly tenuous in terms of the international things I discussed.
And the support of the country is overwhelming.
And we unequivocally have been informed that without everyone out there tonight listening, this thing would have been history weeks ago.
art bell
All right.
Then, in that case, I thank all of you, Robert Gostwolf, Richard Hobeland, and Enid Pinckney, for what you have contributed tonight.
And there's your update, folks.
To me, and again, I'm the hard-bitten realist in all of this.
I see no legal restraints save perhaps the international federal approach, if that is a legitimate one, I hope it is, that would stop this.
That's your update.
You're up to the moment now on what's going on in Miami.
And remember, you have a part of that.
That is your concern.
I don't care where you are.
It should be a concern to all of us.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified
The trip back in time continues with Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
More Somewhere in Time coming up.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from February 10th, 1999.
art bell
Good morning from the high desert.
I'm Art Bell.
alex jones
We've been traveling far without a home.
art bell
But not without a star.
unidentified
Free.
Only one can be free.
art bell
Oh, Neil Diamonds.
Where are my pictures?
unidentified
Hang on to a dream.
art bell
This guy is absolutely incredible.
donald j trump
On the boats and on the plane.
unidentified
Coming to America.
Never looking back again.
Until you told me.
In the eyes of the storm.
art bell
Well, good morning, everybody.
Coming up in a moment.
unidentified
To a new and the shiny place.
This is so good, isn't it?
Make our bed work.
art bell
very good friend daniel brinkley i could hear that whole thing Just absolutely incredible.
This is going to be very interesting.
He's a good friend of mine.
And he is the most famous dead guy in the modern world.
In the modern world.
I'll add that little caveat.
He is Daniel Brinkley.
He wrote Saved by the Light, at Peace in the Light.
He leads a group called Compassion in Action.
And he's a very interesting individual.
Here is Daniel Brinkley.
Hey, Dan.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
art bell
Hi.
unidentified
Hi, America.
art bell
Okay, Dan.
Lots of work to do, lots of areas to talk about tonight.
And you notice I introduced you as the most famous dead guy in the modern world.
And the reason I did that is because it's a logical follow-up on last night's program.
Hal Lindsay was here.
dannion brinkley
Okay.
art bell
Very articulate, very educated, very fundamental, very much Christian.
And since you probably are the most famous NDE experiencer, your name came up a number of times during the program regarding NDEs.
And I related various aspects of your NDEs to him.
And we had a discussion about prophecy and NDEs in general.
And he said, with respect to NDEs, more specifically the positive ones, I thought that was interesting, that he regarded them as probably not genuine, that while they were interesting and he listened to people who told stories like yours, he thought it entirely possible the information derived during that NDE was bogus, you know, from an evil source even.
How do you respond to that?
dannion brinkley
Well, I think everyone has a right to have their opinion.
But after you have two or three of them, it'll tend to change.
It's like Mark Twain said, you know more about a cat when you have it by the tail than watching it from across the street.
art bell
Did he say that?
unidentified
Yeah.
art bell
Good quote.
dannion brinkley
And so when I start to listen, you know, Art, I've been here 20, now 23 years.
I've been through three of these experiences, lightning, open heart surgery, and brain surgery in a really critical situation.
art bell
There was, there is, let's define the difference between what you went through.
Now, you went through three, I know you did, near-death experiences.
dannion brinkley
One death experience and one near-death.
art bell
Or two near-death.
All right.
So, a total of three, one death experience.
Now, that's what we were talking about last night.
Hal Lindsay said there's only one person who has ever come back from the dead.
dannion brinkley
I made the differ with him.
art bell
Of course, it's Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Oh, no.
art bell
Now, in your case, let's get down to it.
You were struck by lightning.
dannion brinkley
You were out for 28 minutes.
art bell
28 minutes.
Now, that means no respiration, no heartbeat, no brain waves.
dannion brinkley
Covered with a sheet.
art bell
Nada.
Covered with a sheet dead.
20 minutes.
dannion brinkley
28 minutes.
art bell
I'm sorry, 28 minutes.
Now, I've got to say, you know, 28 minutes just about crosses the line.
And I'm no physician, but it seems to me after 28 minutes, you are dead.
You're dead.
dannion brinkley
But they're resuscitating people up longer than that, usually, but it's hypothermia or certain forms of heart attacks.
art bell
Right, not at room temperature, as Rush would say.
And so you're as close to dead, having been dead, if not dead, than anybody I have ever talked to.
dannion brinkley
Well, I mean, I came back.
I mean, I went through this experience when I was struck by lightning.
And I was 28 minutes completely paralyzed for six days, partially paralyzed for seven months, two years to learn to walk and feed myself, and lost about 50 pounds in the course of that.
And, you know, the struggle along with each day, and sometimes when you're electrocuted, it has a tendency to sometimes alter your perspective on things.
And after going through this, the first time I knew absolutely that there is a way at which we leave this world.
I don't know everything about heaven, and I don't know everything about all what happens afterwards, you know.
But when I went the first time, it was when I was dead.
The next two times, open heart surgery, you know, your heart stops and they have to put you on artificial life support.
And I had a second one.
And then when they did brain surgery, I had a third one.
art bell
Yeah, I was there for that one.
dannion brinkley
Yeah, and you were there.
So, you know, look at where I was in that hospital and look at what I was going through.
And then I appreciate Mr. Lindsay's point of perspective, you know, because it's hard to believe.
And if you have a mindset that's rooted a lot in the traditions of dogma of religion, it's hard.
I mean, I come from the deep south.
You know, everybody goes to hell down there, and everybody has a perspective about that in the fundamentalist point of view.
But when you have one, then what you're talking about changes.
art bell
Well, now there was one thing I'd like to note here, and that is when we talked, I had, God, Dan, it was the most incredible description I've ever heard of a negative NDE given by this young lady.
It took about an hour and a half, two hours to unfold, and it's the most vivid, impressive, shocking, amazing story you've ever heard in your whole life.
This young lady went to places where there were hell, where there was absolutely hell.
There's no question about it.
And then places where there was not hell, where there was a light being of some sort.
But it was fascinating.
Absolutely fascinating.
And he said, Hal Lindsay said, of those negative experiences, that he believed them.
dannion brinkley
So the positive message that the Christ brought back from the dead, that he could raise himself from the dead to show us that there was a life after death and that there were many mansions in my father's house, which is the definition of the crystal cities.
Now, he can't believe that one based on the theory of looking at what we're saying.
But the fact that there is a place that establishes hell is a criterion that he is using to give validity to his own particular perspective on what is good and bad and what is the afterlife.
Well, I always look at it like this.
art bell
Yeah, that's rigid dogma.
That's for sure.
dannion brinkley
Well, I mean, listen to what he's saying.
It's totally opposite.
If I came back and told the same thing that the Christ had said, it would, in his eyes, be wrong.
art bell
I could tell you only what he would say if he was here.
He would say, read the Bible.
If you want to know, read the Bible.
If you want to know about prophecy, read the Bible.
That's what he'd say.
And with respect to, if you want to know what happens after you die, read the Bible.
In other words, it's very, very rigid, standard Christian fundamentalist dogma.
dannion brinkley
Well, and it's also fear-based.
Listen to what I'm hearing.
I'm hearing fear-based as to prophecies.
art bell
Yeah, I brought that up to him too, by the way.
dannion brinkley
Yeah, I never, you know, I never intended to become the prophet.
I never intended to become what I'm really known for.
I mean, I'm known a lot about what the predictions were in the book.
All I did was describe what I saw and what happened when I was over there in the Crystal City.
And so much of the stuff, you know, some of them are so accurate and so precise that it just is the way we're going.
But it all leads to a time around 2009, 10, 11, and 12 that a whole new mergence of how we see and know and understand the world will have changed by then.
And so the fact that just like what we were talking earlier, Box 4 and 5 literally describes the Oslo Accord and the Wide River Peace Accord, the disappearance of Jordan and all the things, you know, Jordan is Palestine until World War I, it was Palestine.
And when they collapsed the old Ottoman Empire, they created, the British created Jordan as a nation.
It's been Palestine for 5,000 years.
It's only been Jordan for about 80.
art bell
But what I think Lindsay was saying, Hal Lindsay was saying, was that real as they seemed to you, and he didn't doubt that you went to a place and saw things, he simply was suggesting that from his point of view, you were being fooled.
dannion brinkley
God, what an expert on something that he's never had.
art bell
That's a point well taken.
dannion brinkley
I mean, here's somebody.
I believe, listen, Hal Lindsay prophesies his interpretation of the Bible.
He interprets the Bible and what it says, and then he takes a very strong stand on the fact that this is what the Bible, as he interprets, prophesies, like the book of Revelation.
Well, I can see a lot of the things from what I went through that have a lot to do with Revelations.
I can see that where some of the things I hear in Revelations, and in others I didn't see it at all.
But I can see how the World War, the 2 million yellow man army, and they're now building the Free Gorge Dam in China, this river where a 200 million yellow man army could cross from one region into another region that's in Genesis.
But when you look at Genesis, when you take a good look at, I mean, when you look at the Revelation of John, not Genesis, the Revelation of John, the book of Revelations, then he's doing the same thing.
When I had this information, I just wrote it down and I talked about it because I was trying to understand the near-death experience.
I never believed in any of that stuff.
I had no basis.
I was a How Lindsay-based mentality from being in the Deep South, but I had no way to understand what had happened to me.
I just knew it happened to me, and I lay in a bed for almost two years and had a lot of time to think about it.
art bell
Now, let me stop you because I'm not so sure about that one.
I'd Come Back From Hell To Tell You 00:05:43
art bell
You were a Hal Lindsay kind of fundamentalist from the South.
I don't think so.
dannion brinkley
No, I was.
art bell
I saw your movie.
You were.
If that thing was halfway accurate, you were pretty much a non-church-going ruffian.
dannion brinkley
No, I was as mean as a, you know, as just as mean and as vicious as a person you.
I mean, I have no.
I mean, if you ever go to my hometown, all you have to do is ask anybody.
There's no way out of it.
What could I say?
I mean, but I think it came from rebelling against a lot of the hardcore fundamentalist type perspectives that are in the South.
I mean, not that these are bad people or anything.
It's just that when it's so fear-based, when nothing I experienced, see, I didn't have a hellish experience.
And I always figured that if anybody would be going to hell, it would certainly be me.
And in none of the three events did I experience a hellish experience.
art bell
That's a very good point.
Bearing in mind who you were when this happened to you, you should have gone straight to hell without passing go nor collecting $200.
dannion brinkley
No question about it.
art bell
If anybody deserved it at that point, that would have been you.
unidentified
No question.
art bell
And you know, did you hear?
This is very confusing, Dan.
The young lady who was on here talking about this horrible NDE she had, you know what she was doing when it happened to her?
She was riding a bicycle, Dan, on her way home from church, Dan.
And a car hit her from the rear and threw her 60 feet into the air.
And she broke and internally hemorrhaged everything she had.
dannion brinkley
Poor baby.
art bell
I mean, she was, you know, as serious as what happened to you.
And here she was, I mean, here you were the meanest bastard in town, and here she was coming back from a church social voluntary function, got whacked by a car and went to hell.
Now, let's stop and think about this for a minute.
dannion brinkley
Well, I mean, you know, we don't, I don't understand all that art.
I've talked to people.
I mean, I feel sorry for her, and I hope that everybody that's the art knots, like I always do, let's take a moment and surround that lady with love and light.
Every single 9 million or how many million of people are listed.
Take a moment and surround her with as much love and as much.
art bell
It's a good idea.
Where is the sense?
dannion brinkley
Where do you want to see this lady so that what she experienced, we help bring her either understanding.
And I'd like to know her name and number, and I'd like to talk to her.
art bell
Yeah, but next time you get to a computer, what she said is up on my website in real audio.
Listen to it.
But, Diane, the question is, what kind of crazy sense does this make?
Give me a couple of thoughts here.
Why do you, the worst, go to the best place, and why does the best go to the worst place?
I'd like that one answered.
dannion brinkley
But see, there's a lot to do with the spiritual nature.
That person that's riding that bicycle could be a great master.
I mean, I've learned to live and accept so many things that I never would have to think before.
And that because of the incident and where she went and the sense of what was going on, I don't know what the sermon was about that Sunday.
I don't know, you know, because I've been researching near-death experiences now for 23 years, and a lot of situations that you find yourself in, and as you're describing the event, you look before, you look after, you see what's on that person's mind, because the mind is a powerful, powerful thing.
I don't know what the sermon was about or what she was at the social, what was the conversations there.
So there could be a trigger mechanism planted in her thought as she moved to that dimension that she got to see and understand that place as it existed.
I mean, I don't really understand a lot of that stuff because I've had, I've talked to people who had some of the scariest stuff in the world happen to them.
You know, I'm always interested in those.
And that's a roughly 3 or 4%.
art bell
Well, that's what they say.
But of course, I can tell you straight on, Dan, if I had an NDE, you know, and I was really clinically four feet in the air, and I went to hell and I came back.
I don't think I'd get up and talk about it.
I don't think so.
dannion brinkley
Well, a lot of people are.
I agree with you.
I mean, I'm the kind of person, if I went to hell, I'd come back and tell you I went to hell, you know.
But a lot of people that I've talked to, they, you know, there's a side of me that understands the near-death experience, and it's them looking for answers.
That's where I get my ratio from.
I've probably talked to maybe 1,500 people worldwide who had serious NDEs, and then I've heard some really hellish experiences.
But when you look at all the situations that are around and you take all those things, all those factors in, you can sometimes see a pattern about it.
It could have been a lot of what the sermon was about, and she passed through those levels.
The fact that she came back and how it affected and changed her life, I mean, I know that would is the most important point to me.
art bell
She saw several entrance places, one of which she went in, which was clearly hell, another which she looked in, which was clearly hell but did not go into, and then spent a period of time with a being of light, and then at the final moment decided herself, essentially, that she was going to come back and then did.
Path to Understanding 00:02:49
art bell
I mean, it's a very interesting story, but I just, I, hold on, Dan, we're coming to the bottom of the RI.
I really would like to understand why the apparently good, any given Sunday sermon or not, would go and have a hellish experience, and the obviously bad would go to a good place.
unidentified
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That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
Now, we take you back to the path on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
art bell
Do you think?
Do you think that's where Daniel Brinkley and others have gone?
To the center of the mind.
Or somewhere else.
We'll be right back.
All right, here he is again.
It's Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Brinkley.
That's what I called you.
I think it was a show we did up in Alaska.
unidentified
Yeah.
art bell
You know, people need to know that, that not all the old Dan is gone.
Occasionally, occasionally Dr. Jekyll shows up, and you still have sort of if the cause is perhaps a little different now that you're older, but you still have a, you're quick to anger, quick to become less than a, in certain circumstances, a fully loving, converted person.
Hellish Life Review 00:15:51
dannion brinkley
Oh, absolutely.
I can guarantee you that.
You see, Art, the whole key is this.
When you have this experience, and mine, I mean, I had a hellish experience in having my life review.
art bell
Yes.
dannion brinkley
But it wasn't like where this young lady described.
But I have heard this exact story.
I mean, I've heard this exact story literally told like that from the different levels of where a person explored.
But when you have a panoramic life review and you literally become everything, you see your whole life pass before you and then you watch it second person and then you literally become every person that you've ever encountered.
And you have to feel the direct results of your interaction.
That's hell.
That is a hellish experience because I had created so much.
You know, I was just a complete jackass.
And I created, and I'm still a jackass, but not quite as bad because the system of judgment is if God couldn't come today and God sent me, then in the world I'm now living in, what difference did God make?
art bell
I don't know.
Now you're a jackass doing a lot of good works is what you're doing.
dannion brinkley
Absolutely.
I mean, that's the true key.
But I didn't turn into a Messiah or a prophet or any of that.
I had to relearn and look at religions from every aspect.
I had to explore.
I had to start reading people like Ruth Montgomery and books of that period, 1975, to try to understand this.
That's how I got involved and interested in so many other things as I was trying to understand it.
art bell
Okay, this is moving away a little bit, but I have to ask you about this.
I promised somebody back in December that I would.
There's a man named Dr. Joe Cousimano.
He wrote a book called Transforming Scrooge.
And the premise of his book, Dan, was that Scrooge had the same thing you had.
dannion brinkley
I don't have to say that.
art bell
Now, if you think about that, remember a Christmas carol that in...
dannion brinkley
And Dickens wrote it as a...
art bell
Yeah.
dannion brinkley
I'd have to say that where he got that from, because I've heard that, but someone brought that up to me before, because I had a past, present, and future reviews.
art bell
That's correct.
dannion brinkley
And I saw, and so wherever that concept came from, I don't know if we've ever looked in Dickinson's writings to find out where that concept came from, but I would very much agree with that.
And I don't know why I saw the future art.
I've worried about it, like this lady seeing levels of hell.
I can remember standing in a place in the early moments after I'd had the panoramic life review.
And I could see, because I had a few moments like I was supposed to forgive myself.
And I couldn't bring myself for some things I had done.
I couldn't forgive myself for them.
I think that had a lot to do why I had to go back with open heart surgery in 1989.
And then why in 1997, because of the mental place, you know, then next was my brain.
Electrocution is spiritual.
That's an act of God.
only thing that is in a legal court that you can sue someone and they can use an act of God as the defense in a legal and stand and use an act of God in a federal court as their defense.
So I think it was pretty interesting that my spiritual self and then my heart and then my mind, each one is affected, parts taken away and those kinds of things looking at spirituality.
But I don't know why.
It was I believe that the things that I saw that were future events, like, you know, Chernobyl and the desert storm and the advances in medical technology using natural ways again and the light healing machines.
art bell
All of these things are true and they were documented when?
dannion brinkley
1975, 1976.
I mean this is there's nothing new about what I talk about.
They're all the same things.
But at a place right after, before I went to the Crystal Cities and before I received this information, after I had the life review, there was a place in there to forgive myself.
I couldn't do it.
At that time, they were always around me.
I became aware of two things.
And I used to put this in the lecture all the time.
I could see beings below me.
And they were like me.
They were still spiritual light beings because I was a being built of light.
And as I would see them, they were moving and I would focus on them.
The level became so slow.
You know, it was, oh, it was horrifyingly pain, not painful, but the fact of the resonant that was so slow that I could not bear it or stand it.
And then above me, to my left, I could see beings that looked like me.
And when I focused on them, it was like drinking 25 cups of coffee.
The frequency was so high and so more pure than the level of where I was then, I couldn't stay there.
art bell
Have you seen Robin Williams, What Dreams May Come Yet?
dannion brinkley
Oh, yes.
art bell
All right.
Both in that movie, which was astounding, I thought.
dannion brinkley
Oh, it was magnificent.
art bell
And in the story that young lady told the other morning, Dan, maybe it's true that people die, and they, in effect, judge themselves, and in effect, condemn themselves to hell.
In other words, they cannot forgive themselves.
They accept that.
They place themselves in that horrible place, and they keep themselves there.
dannion brinkley
See, I know that's possible.
After when you passed into the Crystal City, when I began to move toward these cities, like seeing Denver from the desert, you know, like going into Denver, they were beautiful cities, and they were lighted.
They were like built of glass.
As I moved into these places and I began to expand outward before I had the visions, I was really aware that there were multi-levels and multi-dimensions and that I could live in simultaneous thought patterns and places.
I mean, it was amazing, Art, the expansive power of being a spiritual being again.
I could sense anything I wanted to sense.
I had just seen enough of bad things.
I guess if that was what I was after, I would have seen more.
I mean, after my panoramic life review.
But when I moved into the Crystal Cities and I lived in these events, these boxes were, I was back in a world of like this reality, the physical reality, and I was actually there.
art bell
It's kind of like Scrooge, isn't it?
Really?
I mean, you were sent into the past, into the present, into the future.
You got to actually look at what would occur.
You came back, you documented it.
Nobody can argue about that.
No, it did it.
There's another thing that nobody can argue about, and that I can attest to, not very frequently when I have a guest on, am I able to say I know something for sure.
But there is one thing I know for sure about Dan Brinkley, and that is that you do have, at times, in my opinion, worrisome psychic powers that I've seen demonstrated again and again and again.
No one needs to tell me it's true.
It's true.
It came from somewhere, and it sure didn't come from your youth.
It occurred and began when you were electrocuted.
I mean, there's just no question about it.
I know that's true.
unidentified
Oh, Art.
dannion brinkley
I mean, you know, I was on a show the other night and I described a guy.
I mean, I can live in those realms, Art.
Because when you get electrocuted, and you're electrical chemical, it enhances certain things.
art bell
Something happens.
dannion brinkley
Sure.
There was a whole new medical paradigm called chiromunal medicine that the National Institute for Health of Offices of Rare Diseases and Disorders has established the fact that people who are struck by lightning act totally different in their makeup and their nature of people who are electrocuted or hit the power pole or things like that.
art bell
Sure.
dannion brinkley
And I've always wondered how this operates.
I mean, I can literally communicate with people from the other side.
I have this happen to me a lot when I'm around someone and they're talking to me and I go into like a little trance like place.
And then I'm able to communicate.
Last night, what I use this talent for is helping people resolve their issues.
Last night I was with a veteran, Richard, and he was on his way.
You know, he's making his transition.
art bell
You mean he was dying?
dannion brinkley
Yeah.
And I was sitting there with him and I went to assess the case because I do volunteer work like everybody I ask in Compassion Action to do.
And I don't just talk this.
I live this.
art bell
I know every day you're with the dying and I don't know how you do that.
dannion brinkley
Well, I mean, I'm so comfortable with the process, Art.
And I'm literally the person.
I know.
Last night with this guy, he was almost coma, but I could go and enter his consciousness and see what is holding him as he was struggling, this prostrate cancer that's completely wiped him out, and what was holding him.
And the two other people with me from Compassionate Action, I told them what I perceived.
When his cousin and her husband got there, I asked them about the guy.
I even had his name.
And I asked them if this had occurred in their family relationship and if this was happening.
And they verified it to the letter, everything that I had said.
And my two people looked at me, but it was me trying to help him.
art bell
I know, I've seen you do it.
I've seen you do it too many times.
Excuse me, the heebie-jeebies.
dannion brinkley
Remember when we read that letter, you had that letter on your desk?
I picked it up to hand to you, and I read what the letter said, even who drove it over there, what kind of car they were driving.
unidentified
I know.
dannion brinkley
That was so funny.
art bell
I know.
I've seen that and too many other things.
So I know it's true.
I mean, I know you have this gift.
dannion brinkley
I wonder what O'Howell would say about that.
You should have asked him about that.
Not only did I bring back things that are now the present and into the future, but I also brought back one of the gifts of the Spirit.
art bell
Well, I can tell you what he might say.
He might say, Daniel, where do you derive this power from?
Okay, it's real.
Where do you derive this power from?
And if your answer wasn't what he expected, then you'd get a different kind of reaction altogether that you wouldn't like.
dannion brinkley
Oh no, i'd like anything he says, you see, because you know what art.
When people talk about how, like what Hal does and I like some of How Lindsay's stuff I think he's trying to alert people to open up their spiritual consciousness.
I just can't stand fear-based crap.
I mean in his book The Messiah.
art bell
But but wait a minute now.
dannion brinkley
Wait a minute.
art bell
Um, there is some legitimate fear base.
I mean even even well, I know you say that, but people have had negative ndes.
Now to me that's fear base, real negative ndes where they see people in a horrible hell.
Now that serves me up a little bit of fear.
dannion brinkley
I don't know about you, but art it, this lady.
This lady was able to look and choose for herself.
Look at the, the basis of it.
I know that those realms can exist because you have the potential to create those realms whenever you choose and when you get on the other side, what will be amazing is how much you have to learn that.
Learn to slow down.
If I would have stayed longer, they had something.
They wanted me to come back and do.
The seven centers, the eight rooms and the centers and to create a level of consciousness to bridge those two worlds where people can go through the process of visiting with their relatives and have certain aspects of the near-death experience and out-of-the-body experiences.
I mean when I do this, when I'm home, is I develop these programs just to what they sent me back to do.
What it says in Saved And At Peace, I'm almost there, 23 years ago, from what my father can.
You know.
My father's a very wonderful, wonderful person.
I know your dad but he's very conservative.
But you know this.
My dad has heard this stuff now for 23 years.
He watches me be so close to completing a system of eight rooms combined in the program, like it says in Saved, that allows people to be able to move between these two worlds, that death will become something where we won't even think about it.
You will be able to move through and see how the transition works and also create a nature of healing the stress that's caused by the fear.
This is a lady and my heart goes out to her.
I've seen people have these kinds of experiences that terrify them.
art bell
But well, if that isn't fear-based, then what is I mean?
dannion brinkley
There there is the fear of explored a realm in her spiritual consciousness, in herself.
As this happened to her, she could have been able to explore and see things, and i'd like to hear her descriptions of what hell I think you need to.
art bell
You really need to hear.
dannion brinkley
Well, i'm going to listen to it as soon as we're done now.
art bell
She also uh, described a period of time where she came to a white light and spent a period of time with it in which there was incredible peace, and she said so much so, and she remained for a long time, but she finally tired of it and left there and went back by these other places she had seen and then came back to her body.
That's a quick summation of what she said over a couple of hours, but it was just absolutely uh, wonderfully detailed.
dannion brinkley
That's wonderful.
art bell
But it does serve up a little bit on the fear side.
It's just that it doesn't make any sense to me, Dan.
She's a good person, gets whacked on a bicycle.
She goes to a hellish place mostly.
You're a bad person.
You get struck by lightning, which is sort of like a sign from God anyway.
dannion brinkley
No doubt in my mind.
art bell
Here you go, boy.
dannion brinkley
And I know I didn't go to the center of my mind because it's mostly empty.
art bell
I was going to bring that up.
Now, that really goes to the core of what we're talking about here.
Did Daniel Brinkley, closer to death, real death as we know it, than anybody I know, really leave his body and go elsewhere?
Or did he take a journey to the center of some sort of dying mind?
dannion brinkley
I can tell you absolutely not.
I went, and you know, what I can say absolutely is I've had three of them.
I've talked to people who've been resuscitated, and I've been around death for 23 years.
I'm literally at it every day.
art bell
Every day, I know.
dannion brinkley
When you live in, I put in 17 hours in dealing with these issues in the last two days.
art bell
I know, several times.
Three Hours to Live 00:04:31
dannion brinkley
And when you live in it and you talk to people and the comfort zone that they have with you because you're there with them and they've been resuscitated, and a lot of people don't even, I don't tell my story unless I can help someone with it.
art bell
When you're with someone who's dying, Dan, I asked you this earlier privately on the phone, and I'll ask you again publicly.
I know the comfort you give the dying.
You spend time with dying vets, sometimes several a day.
People don't know that.
It must be intensely difficult, draining work to do to be with several people who are dying every day.
And you tell them what lies on the other side as you know it.
Are there ever, ever times, Dan, when you're not sure you're telling them the truth or where you even have the slightest doubt where in your mind, you might imagine you're telling them something good and comforting, but it might not be the truth.
Where you wonder about it yourself.
dannion brinkley
See, remember, there's that Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Daniel side of me, too.
I tell people exactly what I think they are looking for, but I would not tell them if I didn't know this for sure and I hadn't gone through it three times and know this.
And remember, the first time I had no preparation, no idea.
But the next two times, I had days to prepare, to think, to look at it, to study it, if I was going to have one, if I was even going to survive.
See, because the second time, I wouldn't even, when I was going to have open heart surgery art, I wouldn't even sign the papers for them to do the surgery.
I was going because I felt so bad in the chest pains and the kind of things that were happening to me and what lightning does to you.
And I'm still, you know, where I am with the problems that I have.
art bell
I do.
dannion brinkley
I had to make the choice of having open heart surgery or die within a matter of three hours.
I took the three hours.
Now, I knew after 14 years where this wondrous place was.
And when I went back, I went through the same system and I went to another place, another area, an arena that I learned more information about the stuff I was doing and what I was to work on and how I was supposed to do it.
The third time, which is the most natural or normal near-death experience, if you can call them that, but I learned about dimensional personalities and the multifacets of what it takes to be this physical being.
We're spiritual, mental, emotional, ethereal, and physical, all at the same time.
And each of those are different worlds.
art bell
Well, with respect to what you tell dying veterans, there is also this.
Just in case you are wrong, I guess it doesn't matter.
You still feel like you're doing the right thing for them at the right time.
Is that correct?
dannion brinkley
I know I'm doing the right thing for them, but I don't tell them all the same stuff, Art.
art bell
All right, Dan, hold on, hold on.
We're at a breakpoint.
We'll be right back.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified
The trip back in time continues.
With Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM.
More Somewhere in Time coming up.
Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from February 10th, 1999.
art bell
In the modern world, the most famous dead guy around, Daniel Brinkley, he's a very, very special person, folks.
He is so intense.
He is so psychic that when you're with him personally, to be honest, you can only be with him so long.
That's truth.
Told My Lawyer Earlier 00:03:01
art bell
It's an interesting problem to have.
Psychic people make you nervous.
It's like you're dead and they're looking through you and they know everything about you.
It's unsettling.
Dan, what happens to a lawyer when you give them Viagra?
dannion brinkley
I don't know.
art bell
He gets taller.
I told that one to my lawyer earlier today.
Is this a long silence on the phone?
And he told me one.
Anyway, listen, back to serious stuff here.
I said, when I was coming in a little while ago, I was coming into this hour, I said, it's hard to be around you for extended periods of time.
And I think it's hard for you to be around people for extended periods of time.
dannion brinkley
Yeah, I mean, I have a, you know, Art, there's a lot of things about the spiritual nature of ourselves, and especially the intuitive part about it.
I pick up so much about people.
Well, you know, and I am intense, but because look what runs through me.
You know, when you get literally electrocuted, and I guess I've had that kind of intensity, but I am so much aware and cognizant of things going on.
art bell
Yeah, but it's completely unsettling.
It's like having Spock next to you doing a mind melt.
dannion brinkley
Well, I do it all the time to everybody.
art bell
I know that.
I tell them.
unidentified
Well, I've never been blown my cover.
art bell
Have you learned to keep a lot of it to yourself?
dannion brinkley
Yeah, I don't tell people everything.
I try to tell people the things that I think will help them grow in their spiritual way and to try to give that kind of advice.
I pick up so much about people.
And, you know, if I touch someone, literally, I live in their life at that moment where I don't drive so much.
You know, I drive sometimes, but I can pass somebody on the road or sit at a stoplight and look at them.
I know.
And I'm living in their life or I'm seeing these things about them.
And, you know, it's pretty unsettling.
I've taken 23 years to try to learn how to handle it, to look at where it comes from, try to help people develop their own kind of intuitiveness so you can be more trusting in the world that you live in and what you're hearing.
art bell
Well, you play the hand, you're dealt.
But boy, I'll tell you, this is some hand you've been dealt.
dannion brinkley
Well, you know, people always ask, why do I think I got chosen?
Because look at, you know, look at where I am.
But I always figured that they had to be desperate scraping the bottom of the barrel.
And they picked me to do this.
Send Valentine to Vet 00:03:02
art bell
What?
dannion brinkley
I mean, you know.
People say, Daniel, why are you thinking about it?
art bell
You don't think of God as scraping the bottom of the barrel and fucking you up.
dannion brinkley
Well, if God picked me, you know, they would just probably run completely out of messiahs.
You know, they didn't have anything to do that day.
And I know what they figured out.
They said, look, let's find this a jackass and see how he handles all this stuff.
art bell
Maybe God's Army is like the real army, you know, and when times get really rough, they lower their standards.
dannion brinkley
I agree.
You don't hear me arguing about it, but as long as we're on that Army subject, I wanted everybody out there to know it's national salute to hospice veterans from the 14th to the 20th.
art bell
That it is.
dannion brinkley
And I would highly recommend that people go to a VA and visit with veterans.
I'm there all the time, and I see a lot of places that these guys could use someone just to come to see them.
The new hospice stamp just came out.
They just released a hospice recognition stamp.
art bell
The post office?
dannion brinkley
Yeah, the post office.
And I'd like everybody to send a Valentine's to a vet, and they can call 1-800-827-1000 at the VA to find the local VA or local.
art bell
Give me that number again.
dannion brinkley
1-800-1-800-827-1000.
And you would be calling to find out what your local one is, or www.va G-O-V.
And they can find out where your local hospice is.
art bell
So you've got a big drive going, and all you're asking people to do is send a Valentine to a vet.
dannion brinkley
That's all I'm asking.
And if they can, to go by and see them.
And it's, you know, the program is salute to our hospitalized veterans.
And I want everybody to never use any other stamp in the world except hospice recognition stamps so that every piece of mail you send out, you make a statement about the quality of what hospice care is.
And I want to try to improve the world's perspective because hospice is a great organization and it's about helping you deal with the loss and helping someone who is terminal be able to be home and be able to have the gentleness and the kindness of their families and to resolve the issues that are in between them because I see so much of that stuff.
art bell
All right, Dan, I'm going to read this to you and this is going to give you a chance.
It's not generic, it's specific, but it's really generic.
So I'm going to read it for all the people that are in this situation.
And that's a lot of us these days, Dan.
This is from Melissa in Las Vegas.
And she simply writes, Dear Art, in two weeks, I'm going to go visit my mother-in-law who's dying of brain cancer.
Please ask Daniel what I should say or not say for that matter.
Art of Transition 00:11:20
art bell
It will be our last time to see her before she dies.
In essence, what do you say to a person who's dying?
So on behalf of everybody who's about to face that, Dan.
dannion brinkley
You tell them how much you love them, and you talk about some of the, you pick out the best experiences when you laughed, when you did something together.
The key to a person in transition art is that the panoramic life review begins to be the early art form.
The very moment a person finds that when you have the panoramic life review on the other side, anything we do on this side that helps that begin, then the person sees dignity, value, and purpose in their life.
And to be there, the fact that you're there is wondrous.
The next thing is you tell them the funny things about what happened in your life or the things that they've done so that the value of that person's life in the pain, the anguish, and brain cancer is really horrible and it is so painful.
And she's probably heavily sedated, especially with the brain, because I know the pressure of what happens in your brain.
And mostly to touch them, to hold their hand, and to talk about how much fun, how good they were, and the things that the most joyous moments in your life that you could remember being with that person.
And to be comfortable in knowing, they'll just lift out of that body, and they'll move down that tunnel, and they'll come to a place of love and beautiful light.
And if they have their panoramic life review, the last thing they're going to see, if she's that close, is you having that, her and you having that conversation together.
And when you realize that you're going to feel, she's going to feel the love that you're sending to her and the joy that you had, not the sorrow, because she's going home and she's going back to where she came from.
And this is the key to it.
Because when a person can help find that points of their life of its value, and it comes from someone who loves them, and they're comfortable in that place, then the transition to the other side is much simpler.
Now, I would also take something that's her favorite fragrance.
I like lavenders and frankincense and aromatherapy things.
I always use aromatherapy.
And I would play music.
Because the arts, some of the stuff you have is really, really great for it.
And you take music.
You change there.
You turn the damn television off.
You sit and breathe and be comfortable and surround that person with your love.
You put a fragrance there that's a calming fragrance like an aromatherapy or an alert, whatever you think they might need.
And then you play a little music.
And you put music in the background of your conversations because you have ethereal bodies.
You know, you have these auric bodies and their vibrations and their resonance and they're built of music or color or light.
And to affect those bodies helps that person in transition.
You know, Twilight Brigade, this compassion in action, which is the foundation, we train.
I mean, it's this Twilight Brigade, www.twilightbrigade.com.
And we train people as volunteer hospice.
And everybody's going to be a hospice volunteer.
You know, when you look at where we all are as baby boomers, the 81 million of us in this country, we're losing our moms and dads.
And you have an 81% chance that a relative is going to turn to you before they turn to a doctor or turn to clergy.
art bell
Dan, there's something here.
You'd like everybody to go out and be a hospice volunteer.
dannion brinkley
Absolutely.
art bell
I would beg.
Dan, I couldn't do it.
dannion brinkley
Oh, yes, you can.
art bell
No, I couldn't.
No, I couldn't, Dan, because I don't believe I'm being, you know, this is a night for me to be just straight out with you because we're such good friends.
Yeah, even here on the air.
I don't believe with the concrete belief system that you have, because you've been there and I haven't, that I don't even know for sure, Dan.
I suspect there's an afterlife, but I don't know it for sure.
And I couldn't sit down next to somebody who's dying and lie to them.
dannion brinkley
Well, I don't see when you talk about it.
art bell
And I'm not saying you're lying.
Saying I couldn't say it with the kind of conviction that you would need to say it to a person who's dying with, I couldn't do it.
dannion brinkley
But Art, the loneliness that that person is usually experiencing, especially with veterans, they don't give a crap what you're saying to them as long as you're there.
I mean, that a person is there gives dignity to their life and that they're willing to sit there hours on end.
art bell
I know, but you're removing the fear of death by telling them that their existence is not going to end.
dannion brinkley
But Art, I'm also empowering the person who sits there and watches the peaceful transition from this world to the next or wherever they go.
Because once a person experiences this, there are so many things that are in our minds that cause us to be afraid.
And a lot of it is fear-based and it's based around death and the unknowing.
But when you go through it and you're with someone and you watch that, sometimes the most beautiful things can happen.
I mean, the most beautiful things.
I'm very selfish is why I do hospice work because I love to be in a place where someone is about to make that journey.
But if you can go and come with training, and we go with buddy systems, we don't just throw you out there.
We have a buddy system where you go with someone and you watch the art of helping people in transition if they don't go anywhere.
art bell
And when you get into it, but Dan, how do you really help them without really believing the things that you believe?
Now, I understand how you can go in and do it.
I don't understand how I could.
dannion brinkley
Art, maybe they just want to tell somebody their life.
A lot of times I never tell them.
I don't tell everybody, hi, I'm Daniel.
I've been dead.
This is what's going to happen.
Get ready.
I mean, people have different beliefs and their own belief systems.
I pick and choose the people who ask the questions.
But most of the time, I listen.
I want to know the great moments in their life.
I want them to tell me there's like the little big man with the Dustin Hoffman and like that movie about Billy the Kid that had Emilio Estavez in it.
I mean, I want to hear your life story.
And I don't want to, if you're Christian or you're Jewish or you're Islamic, I'm not going to try in the final days of your life to try to change any of that.
And I train my people that way.
You don't do that.
To be there so a person has a place to look, that you're a volunteer.
Nobody's paying you that to be there.
Again, how do you add dignity to their life?
art bell
Hal Lindsay last night.
I just want to touch on what you just mentioned.
Hal Lindsay last night and I talked about that.
And that actually, you know, Christians in the world are a minority.
dannion brinkley
Oh, yeah, 2%.
And other than Catholicism, now, Christians in the Protestant position now.
But see, remember, Catholics are Christian.
There's a billion.
art bell
Sure.
But sure.
But, Dan, Hal Lindsay would say that you would best spend your time, your final time with somebody like this, telling them the only way to God, which is Jesus.
And I don't think I'm misquoting Hal Lindsay.
He would say that would be your best spent time getting them in whatever final moments they might have to come to Jesus.
Now.
dannion brinkley
Let me tell you something, Art.
This is somebody who doesn't do hospice work.
I mean, this is somebody who doesn't do hospice work.
This is an expert in something that he doesn't do.
And I was with my 169th person last night.
art bell
But one path may get, two paths may get to the same place, Dan.
dannion brinkley
Well, I think there are more ways to find what you're after.
I believe in the Christian concept, and I believe that knowing the Christ is a consciousness, doing others you would have others do unto you, love thy neighbor as thyself.
Because when you have a panoramic life review, you literally become everybody.
And when you say love thy neighbor as thyself, you're really going to do that anyway.
art bell
Who was Jesus, Dan?
Who was Jesus?
dannion brinkley
Well, Jesus was a guy from Judea whose name was Huashua ben Hosef.
He didn't become Jesus until around 312 when the Bible was translated from Hebrew into Greek.
So the real name is Huhashua ben Hosef.
art bell
Yes.
dannion brinkley
And a lot of the things that are around his life, because I've been to the Middle East, I had to go look at all that stuff again.
In this world, great masters come, people who are of the archaeopes and spirituality.
art bell
Yes.
dannion brinkley
And they come to change belief systems.
And the one damnable, jealous, hateful God that we had in Yahweh and sometimes in the perspectives of the Middle Eastern concepts, there had to come a change.
And this master came.
And I think Huhashua ben Hosef and the Christ are one is a man and the other was a person that had anointed through an experience of traveling to mystical schools and learning to be able to be a great teacher.
I think there are many great masters.
I don't think to me that the Christ is the single only point because when someone tells me, like, you know, when you go all over the world, I've been in 81 countries, and I've seen a mountain man in Laos with his little tribe and him be the finest, most wonderful father-protective image in the tribal elders.
And I've seen him.
He's never heard of Christ, never heard of Jesus.
art bell
Right.
dannion brinkley
But he lives in the Christ consciousness and he takes care of his people and he handles this.
And for someone to tell me that that person is going to hell, that's just ridiculous.
art bell
I feel the same way about that.
I feel the same way.
But the bottom line is, just so that I'm straight and everybody's straight here, you believe Jesus was a real man who walked upon the earth?
dannion brinkley
Huh ben Hosea?
art bell
Who was a grandmaster, but one of many, and not necessarily, as described, the precise son of our Creator God.
dannion brinkley
Well, not in the true context that's being pushed so adamantly by the Protestant and Reform movement.
Opening of Ancient Tombs 00:15:42
art bell
Not in the most literal sense, as delivered by me.
dannion brinkley
I don't believe that.
art bell
All right, I've got it.
I've got it.
unidentified
Thank you.
art bell
All right.
Daniel Brinkley is here.
I'm here.
We'll take calls pretty soon.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified
You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from February 10th, 1999.
Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from February 10th, 1999.
art bell
I wonder if it's true that we all live as long as we're ghosts that you can see even though we're gone.
Is that the way it works?
unidentified
I walk away like a movie star who gets burning a three-way strip Into number two, a movie green, the player scene of bringing all the good things out in me.
But for now, let's be real.
I never thought I could act this way.
And I've got to say that I just don't get it.
I don't know where we went wrong, but the feeling's gone, and I just can't get it back.
art bell
But, Danyan, we can and will in a moment.
With regard to the Miami Circle, just before we go back to Dan, we may even ask him about that because we're about to talk about Egypt.
I just got a message, an email message from somebody who wrote to the first lady, Hillary Rodham Clinton, about the Miami Circle.
And the last paragraph does not indeed seem like a form response.
She writes, All of us at the White House are excited about the progress made with this historic project, and we look forward to future developments.
Your continued interest and participation are very important to us.
Isn't that interesting?
That does seem like a response indeed from the First Lady on this particular issue.
We'll have to kind of follow that.
I think it's a good transition.
Daniel, welcome back.
Let's talk a little bit.
There are some incredible, incredible things happening in Egypt.
And I guess in order, first of all, let's take them in order.
There's going to be coming up pretty soon an opening of a tomb in Egypt, opening lost tombs live from Egypt, brought to you on Fox, I think.
You know about that?
dannion brinkley
Sure, I'm right in the thick of it.
You know, Art, when you and I came together with the Basta Deem and Visions Travel, and we saw the wars that were going on between all the people, we came together and brought them together.
And I believe that what is a direct result of our efforts is the fact that they are now going live on March the 2nd with Fox, and they're going to open tombs, things that have been sealed for 4,000 years, and to open up these tombs and to open up chambers that heretofore no one's ever even described.
Most of them said it didn't exist.
Because of the ability to be opened and the openness that's been discovered because of the work we've done.
I mean, you talk to the people and you've narrated.
art bell
What are these chambers?
What are they going to do?
dannion brinkley
They have a new, they're going to open a chamber.
They're going to open up the door.
The door that the member, the German with the robot who went into the air shaft and they found the door.
And they're going to open this up.
They're going to, they're opening up to let people look and see more stuff than ever.
And I think it was because of the great debate that we had last year that you were the moderator on, and people respect your opinions and what you see because you're very, very open-minded.
But you're very good at looking at those situations.
And I think that this great debate that's going to be in Egypt on March the 8th, I mean, I know I'm going to be there because it'll decide and help put input into what all these issues are.
See, Art, I believe, just like this place in Miami, these sites and what Robert said, these mystical sites, they weren't just chosen because they were at the mouth of a river.
art bell
No, I believe.
dannion brinkley
They wasn't just chosen because it was some plateau in Giza.
art bell
No.
dannion brinkley
These things are ancient.
art bell
No, I know.
dannion brinkley
And to be able to be a part, you know, you and I talked when I was visiting you, to be able to be a part of the unfoldment of mysteries that literally will change the whole anthropological way that we look at ourselves, our heritage, our history, our religions, our traditions.
And to watch what happens in this next between now and the year 2001, and much of the stuff I talk about in the predictions are things that I see that can be affected.
I would not miss this debate.
art bell
That's coming in March, Dan.
We'll talk about that in a minute.
May, all right.
I'm sorry, May.
dannion brinkley
The TV show is March 2nd on Fox, so people can watch live what's happening there.
art bell
Okay, but that's this March, right?
dannion brinkley
Yeah, March 2nd.
art bell
All right.
Look, I know that you know the inside story at Giza, and I know that you're tight with Zahi.
When they open those things up, what are they going to find, Dan?
dannion brinkley
Well, who knows?
In one of them, they have no idea.
The one that was emerged underwater for literally a thousand years, and it was a myth for 2,700 years.
There was nothing there.
But I think as they finish draining this, what's going to be discovered is the possibility of interconnecting chambers what Herodotus spoke about.
And this one that's been there forever, who knows?
But I know there'll be something there that begins to, that's been closed for 4,000 years, and they know it's still sealed.
And what they discover in there will probably be a lot of archaeological aspects that more than likely reinforce what the conventional archaeologists say and Egyptologists say.
But you know, Art, when I sit back and look where in my 20 years of looking at Giza and roaming the Middle East, the fact that they now say there's another chamber in the pyramid, and it's in the Great Pyramid, and they're starting to open up and let people start to look and see.
And there'll be more and more discoveries because of the openness that came about through what we've done.
art bell
All right, well, we'll come back to that because all the same people are involved with this great debate that's going on, and we'll go through who's going to be there and whether we're going to be there.
I guess you've already settled it in your mind.
You're going to be there.
dannion brinkley
I pretty much want to try to do this, Art.
And I want you to do it, too.
art bell
I haven't made up my mind yet.
All right, listen.
December 31st of this year, Dr. Hawass and others are going to replace the gold capstone on the Great Pyramid.
dannion brinkley
Absolutely.
art bell
At midnight on December 31st, 1999.
Now, that's a pretty serious thing.
dannion brinkley
Art.
art bell
What do you think will happen?
dannion brinkley
I think that the ancient world will come back alive.
I think that as that energy begins to operate, I believe that the pyramids were machines.
When you look, study Egyptology and you look at the afterlife.
art bell
Machines.
dannion brinkley
You walked up on a priest that I can't go with the Egyptians' idea that they were just megalomaniacs trying to build a bigger-shaped object.
art bell
That's what Zahi would tell you.
dannion brinkley
Well, sure, but you know, I'm around them all the time.
art bell
So you think they're machines.
What do you think they are, Dan?
Machines?
dannion brinkley
They're machines that focus energy.
They can take certain levels of energy built, look at the pyramid.
The pyramid at Sheops, 2,400,400,000 stones, some weighing up to 200 tons.
It weighs 5,955,000 tons.
And it's a machine set at a certain precise, dealing with certain planetary aspects and influences.
And when they put that capstone on it, that machine will start to operate again.
art bell
And what do you believe will occur?
dannion brinkley
I believe that the level of consciousness will that level of consciousness, using that, the energy which I think is a type of scalar energy, will literally begin to raise the consciousness of, especially on the plateau, but everywhere in the world.
art bell
Boy, that is some fascinating concept.
dannion brinkley
Oh, there's no doubt, in my see, art from, from being able to sit in this pyramid.
And you know, because I can travel dimensionally and I don't say it like I'm Buck Rogers this stuff happens to me and there's nothing I can do about it.
So I use it for tools.
You know, I've solved murders.
I've, you know found, you know, I've found things and I know what you've done.
I see that this, when this triggers and it starts, we live in a new world.
That energy will begin to raise everyone's consciousness, we will heighten our own sensitivity, people will become more intuitive and to build up to that why I like everything that's being built up to that, is that we get a chance to interact.
I get a chance, at 48 years old, to be a part of bringing back what I think is the Hermetic tradition, to bring back that true search and spiritual understanding mixed with understanding, science and like a new reformation.
And I think that every one of us who has a chance to take part in this and to become a part of elevating the consciousness and seeing what really is about to occur.
It's one of the most dramatic events of my lifetime.
art bell
Well, that would certainly be.
That would be a worldwide spiritual event that a lot of people have been looking for.
Should that actually occur, that's an intriguing concept.
dannion brinkley
I believe it's going to happen.
art bell
Okay, let's put that in one hand and then, on the other hand, let's talk about the Middle East for a second, because in May, it's my understanding, we argue about the dates a little and may have them wrong, but in May, early May sometime, Yelser Arafat is going to say that the Palestinians are now an independent state.
Moreover, Jerusalem is their capital.
dannion brinkley
When they say that, all hell's going to break loose well, it'll wait till May 13th, see May 13th because of when Netanyahu's government collapsed over the why of the why peace agreement.
Okay, then they have to.
Then what's got to happen?
They have to re-elect a new president, right okay?
So from that moment on, we'll see.
You see, I believe that there's a peaceful resolution to this and I think, being a part of everything that we're doing and everything that we talk about.
We can bring about a peaceful resolution.
art bell
But if we look down the road, on the one hand there is spiritual, Spiritual enlightenment that may begin occurring with a capstone.
dannion brinkley
Oh, absolutely.
art bell
And on the other hand, there's the threat of the exact opposite that could occur in the Middle East.
dannion brinkley
I agree with you 100%.
And I agree.
And right now, you know, if you read Box 4 and 5 in Saved by the Light, it just literally details the Oslo Accord, the Y River Accord.
It details that Jordan in itself will change.
art bell
I know.
dannion brinkley
But I believe, Art, and this is one thing I keep coming back to.
I have seen the power of every little individual person and every big person and every medium-sized person and the power of their thoughts and the power of their prayers and the power of their identity to come to change.
Y'all, you know, people on the radio and Art Bell Show and other places and prayer groups saved my life, and there's no question.
And it was one of the most startling revelations to me I have ever seen at 48, 47 years old.
art bell
Yeah, you're one of over a half dozen things we have done like that.
And yours was the most important.
dannion brinkley
Well, Art, I mean, we've talked about setting up programs designed by Larry Dalcy to do prayer in groups across the country using the Art Berl Bell Chat Club.
art bell
It works.
Look, don't preach to the choir here.
I saw it work so many times, it scared me, Dan.
dannion brinkley
Well, I know how you are.
You're so wonderful, Art.
You know, when you see the power that the trust that people put in you and what we're capable of doing, then we have the ability, I believe, like just following it up on the Egypt thing, the things that we're talking about, and to get people, keep them aware and keep them alert and keep reporting to them what's going on, that we control.
It's not out of our hands.
We can control and change destiny.
I want that energy to raise.
I want it to raise and bring back and open up so many sacred sites all over the world, just like them finding this place.
art bell
But the people who will argue with you, who did argue with you on the cruise when we did the great debate, and will argue even in stronger language, should I decide to go to Egypt and you decide to go to Egypt.
Right.
These people will say, Daniel, come on, you're full of it.
We know when these structures were built, Zahi will say, I know how they were built.
He will probably bring out a big piece of limestone and crack it in half.
dannion brinkley
Oh, sure.
art bell
To demonstrate to everybody.
He will show the graves of those who built the pyramids.
And the astronomers will say, no, it has nothing to do with any special alignment.
They will argue with a Graham and a Robert Baval, if he's there.
dannion brinkley
John Anthony Webb.
art bell
And there'll be a terrible fight about all this again.
And I just, you know.
dannion brinkley
You know what's so fun about that, Art?
art bell
What's so fun about it, Dan?
dannion brinkley
The capstone will be put on there December the 31st.
Y2K and Consciousness 00:06:01
art bell
And that'll settle the argument.
That'll settle the argument.
dannion brinkley
All that stuff has occurred, okay?
art bell
I wondered myself, if I wanted to be at Giza when the capstone was placed on the Great Pyramid.
And I forget who it was, a guest the other night.
I asked him that.
He said, oh, no, I don't want to be there at that moment.
No, thank you.
dannion brinkley
You know, Art, I'm kind of like that because...
art bell
Are you?
dannion brinkley
Well, the Y2K position worries me about traveling on those days and times.
Why I chose to go on the May 8th period of time.
Because I'm there.
I bring my heart and the people who come, and we bring a certain consciousness.
And we plant that consciousness within the context of this debate.
art bell
Yeah, I wouldn't say that flying to Egypt right around December 31st would be my idea of an adventure that I'd look forward to.
dannion brinkley
No, I'm not planning to do that.
I'm planning to be home in my chair with my feet propped up and feeling that energy as it comes and being able to watch it because it's going to be televised.
art bell
Well, there is that energy, and then there is, I've got to ask you about it, Y2K.
Boy, I'm telling you, Dan, from every source, I'm getting it.
This is, it seems like it's real, Dan.
Oh, it's real.
Something real is going to come.
There is going to be a great disturbance because of this Y2K thing.
dannion brinkley
I think that Y2K really is the point of the beginning of the change of consciousness.
I mean, when you have a time-dated chip, time-dated chip that they've known about for years and years and years, they've spent $850 billion to try to correct up to 40%.
When Mr. Clinton, when President Clinton went on the air and he says Social Security is safe, and then he said, because we've corrected it.
And then he said, 2,800 people have been working around the clock seven days a week, I mean, around the clock to correct this.
Listen to what, and these people are making $200 an hour, man.
Listen to what he just said.
art bell
I know.
dannion brinkley
Can this be a crisis?
The Russians just asked for $3 billion.
They correct their missile system.
art bell
That's correct.
dannion brinkley
Okay, so nobody's being fooled.
Anybody who sticks their head in the sand on this and doesn't prepare for this is a fool.
I have no problem about it.
I find very good things about it myself because it gives us a chance to, when they cut the power grids and, you know, like people don't realize they get their electricity.
We in South Carolina, we buy some of our electricity from Canada somewhere or New York and the power grids and air traffic controllers and our defense systems and all those kinds of things.
There's going to be disruption.
And in that disruption, at the same time we put this capstone on, then there will be a sense of consciousness and a whole re-renewal of ourselves, our kinship with our neighbors, our perspective about our government, our perspective about each of the aspects of our life because it's about to stop.
unidentified
Okay.
dannion brinkley
It cannot be that way.
art bell
Well, again, Dan, we come to the same exact juncture we just left a moment ago.
We have that on the one hand.
It may work out that way.
A great consciousness change from the capstone to Y2K and what it brings.
But on the other hand, there is a terrible fear that these people that you talk about that will come together in a loving way will instead end up shooting each other over food and rioting and looting and pillaging and raping and all of the rest of that that goes with anarchy.
dannion brinkley
I wrote about it in Saved by the Lightning at Peace and the Light.
art bell
Yeah, that's over there on the other hand.
Boy, I'm telling you, we got the extremes coming at us.
dannion brinkley
Well, I mean, I'll tell you something.
There's no question that when you turn the electricity off and no food is delivered in New York City for like 30 days, look where you are.
art bell
It wouldn't take 30 days, Dan.
dannion brinkley
Oh, yeah.
Then think about it from the aspect if it's going to be the dead of winter and it's going to be a freezing winter.
And then you start looking at, you know, I write about it in Saved by the Light, especially dealing with literally where people are eating each other and the destruction that comes about in that.
And then look at the third, the third world countries all fare a lot better because they don't really have much, you know, they you saw South Africa, you see where that is.
But the pig.
art bell
Now, if you're living on the land completely, then you hardly notice it.
dannion brinkley
But look at the countries like Eastern Europe.
art bell
If you live emerging after 70 years of communist rule, if you're in an apartment in LA or New York or Chicago, boy, do you notice?
dannion brinkley
Oh, yeah, there's going to be no problem that we will notice that.
But see, the Y2K combined, it's a time for everybody to look forward to taking stock in their lives and know that disruption is going to be a part and to get our heads out of the sand.
Then there's also the other part.
There is the Federal Emergency Preparedness Act.
There's FEMA.
It suspends the Constitution.
The government takes possession of everything.
It suspends the Senate.
It suspends all your local representation.
And the United States is divided into like 10 districts.
art bell
Well, I tell you, Dan, there's a lot of forks in the road, and they're not far down the road.
I mean, they're just down the street a little bit, and we're coming up on them real quick.
We're also coming up on the top of the hour.
Why Skepticism Prevails 00:05:43
art bell
So we'll take a break and be right back.
unidentified
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That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
Somewhere in Time with Art Bell continues.
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art bell
It sure is, and I'm Art Bell.
And from Austin, Texas, Bob writes simply, Hey, Art, I am baffled and do not understand your feelings toward doing hospice work yourself.
Well, that's, Bob, because you may not understand me.
Because I give light to all kinds of views on this program, because I talk about all kinds of things on this program, people automatically assume that I believe all things on this program, and I don't.
I believe things that I have touched and seen and can feel.
I am bereft of the ability to take a leap of faith that has made so many of you out there comfortable.
I'm giving you an honest answer, Bob.
And so, without being able to go to a bedside with the honest feeling that I knew exactly what was coming and could comfort that person, I don't think I could do it, Bob.
So, you asked an honest question, and I just gave you an honest answer.
Maybe I'm more of a skeptic than most people out there think.
It's a good forum, but it doesn't mean that I believe all that's on this forum, nor should you.
It's just one of the freest, most open forums in the world, that's all.
That's why you're here.
That's why I'm here.
unidentified
And it is a long way home.
art bell
Maybe not so far away either.
Back to Daniel Brinkley.
Hey, Dan.
Hey, Art.
I want to read you a facts I just got, and this takes basically the Hal Lindsay position, I think, fairly accurately.
And I want to read it to you and get your reaction, all right?
unidentified
Sure.
art bell
Here it comes.
Art, the answer to your question, why does an obviously bad man experience city of light, N-D-E, and a churchgoer experience hell was addressed by Hal Lindsey last night.
You know, God loves man, his creation, so much that he became a man and died in place of man to pay the price for sin.
You only have to accept that salvation to have eternal life with God in heaven.
It is a gift.
You don't do anything to earn that gift.
You just accept it or you don't.
Now listen carefully here.
It isn't based on how good you are or how bad you are.
God does not grade on a curve.
One sin, one sin, is enough to exclude you from God's presence.
He is too holy.
Sin cannot exist in his heaven.
Only one man never sinned, and he was the one who paid the penalty for all.
It's a gift.
Terry, Como, Seattle, Washington.
Reaction.
dannion brinkley
I just don't buy it.
art bell
I didn't think you did.
dannion brinkley
You can't get me to believe that because the whole purpose, I mean, I've studied the Christian doctrine, and where that came about is that your deeds meant nothing.
You could only be saved by grace, which was initiated by the Catholic Church in an edict, I think, somewhere in the 15 or early 1600s, one of the papal edicts that came about that you could only be saved by grace.
And then the development of the split between Luther attacked the 99 thesis on the church door during what started the reform movement or the Protestant movement in it.
But when your life passes before you and you have three near-death experiences and you see the panoramic life review, and you know you're going to be every person that you ever encounter, then the whole context of my life changed.
I went from being the biggest jerk in the world to just a medium-sized jerk.
And I started to care about what are you laughing at.
art bell
I'm laughing because I know it's so true.
unidentified
Yeah, it's true.
dannion brinkley
You know exactly how I am, Art.
art bell
I do.
dannion brinkley
You know, and I see the difference that I can make in people's lives.
This is somebody who doesn't do hospice work either.
And it sounds to me like an excuse.
And I'm not reflecting on anyone's religious belief.
Everyone has a right to believe what they choose to believe and accept what they accept.
Breath and Belief 00:14:41
dannion brinkley
But also have the right to open their hearts and minds to other people have their opinions.
art bell
That's what I do here.
I open it to everything.
Now, here's one on your side, dear Art.
Daniel is so reassuring.
His broad mind brings more common sense than some may realize.
Mr. Lindsay is a warm and compassionate man, but after listening to him last night and then Mr. Brinkley tonight, for me, it's like going from a hot, barren desert to a body of peaceful waters from Ross.
dannion brinkley
Wonderful.
art bell
So there you are.
dannion brinkley
And Art, when I come, I'm coming to do the Spiritual Odyssey, a program in Las Vegas that I do every year.
art bell
Oh.
dannion brinkley
And when I come down, I'm going to get you to come down with me and you and I will go and visit a hospice patient.
And we'll just see.
I think it'll be a good idea.
art bell
I don't know if that's appropriate for me, Dan.
dannion brinkley
Well, think about it.
art bell
I will.
I will.
dannion brinkley
We are all going to be volunteers for somebody we love no matter what.
But, you know, I can appreciate, you know, Art.
I can appreciate it.
A lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people have problems with that kind of stuff.
And I tried to create compassion in action so that we could help people deal with it.
art bell
I sure don't have problems with comforting the dying.
Could do that, Dan, but I couldn't tell them what you tell them.
dannion brinkley
Well, I don't know.
art bell
I couldn't help them because you've got to understand that.
I'll think about it, Dan.
I'll think about it.
But I don't know.
Look, we promised to go to the phone lines.
dannion brinkley
Okay, yeah, sure.
art bell
So here they come.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley and Art Bell.
unidentified
Good morning.
Good morning.
Good morning, sir.
How you doing?
dannion brinkley
Another tricky day in paradise.
unidentified
Where are you at?
dannion brinkley
I'm in Los Angeles.
unidentified
Ooh, is it warm over there?
Cold.
dannion brinkley
Cold.
art bell
Ooh.
unidentified
Okay.
Actually, I had a question about what can you say?
I didn't get all the information about the site down here in Miami.
art bell
Well, that was another earlier program.
unidentified
Oh, I know.
dannion brinkley
I know.
unidentified
I was asking, I want to ask him what he feels.
I mean, he is psychic to some degree correct.
Oh, absolutely.
All right.
art bell
Actually, good question, Dan.
Go ahead.
Say what you believe about this Miami site, whatever you think you feel.
dannion brinkley
Well, I think that this is a part of the beginning of us reawakening.
This site is very, it's important.
I remember the study of the Indian tribe that they flourished in around 600 A.D.
And when the Spanish came in 14 in the 40, you know, in early 1500s, they killed them all off and made slaves and gave them diseases.
But the way that I went and looked at all that information, and I looked at how the layout, the way the astrological configurations, and I believe that this is another one of those places that proved there were cultures.
There was a culture that had to exist before our culture.
And that a lot of the things and a lot of the ability to construct these things came from there.
And I think maybe that someone wants to stop this or wants to pave over it or just move it because they're maybe aware of what happens.
Art had a show called Forbidden Archaeology.
unidentified
That's right.
dannion brinkley
And a guy who discovered certain aspects that messed up medical, I mean, messed up the history of anthropology and archaeology, they just kind of pushed him to the side.
But I believe this is just another one of those great sacred sites.
Now, I'm a lot like Art in what's going to happen to it, and I think that the attitude that we had better take is how to photograph it, do a lot of maybe a satellite photograph with NASA or one of the space agencies or one of the intelligence agencies to photograph this site and mark it down and then measure it because, you know, I doubt that they'll be able to preserve it.
But I think there's something wondrous about it.
art bell
All right.
I hope they can preserve it.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley and Art Bell.
Hi.
unidentified
Oh, good morning, you guys.
I'm so happy to talk to both of you.
art bell
Where are you?
unidentified
I'm in Denver.
My name is Debbie.
It's cold here.
The wind is taking roofs off of houses.
Oh, my.
Daniel, I've got a friend who just gets as much from the sound of your voice as he does from the things that you say.
dannion brinkley
And what's mean, Dan?
unidentified
I'm sorry?
dannion brinkley
What does that mean?
I don't understand.
unidentified
He likes hillbillies.
He just takes great comfort and joy in the sound of your voice and the way that you, you know, your phraseology.
He just, he's a bliss bunny when he hears your voice.
dannion brinkley
Well, tell him I love him.
What's his name?
unidentified
His name's Jeff.
dannion brinkley
Hi, Jeff.
I hope this brings you peace and bliss.
unidentified
I'm sure Will and a giggle too, probably, if he's willing to.
dannion brinkley
Art does that to me.
He makes me a bliss bunny.
unidentified
So I've got a couple of things that I want to say, and I've written them down so that I can be brief.
First of all, I'd love to send you five bucks or something, Daniel, if you can give an address for me and probably thousands of other people to do that.
dannion brinkley
I mean, from the bottom of my heart, it's compassion and action.
I mean, because, see, we're a purely volunteer organization.
We're purely volunteers.
And so, you know, I don't like to have people for money, but I'm not afraid to ask them, and I'm just really thankful.
So thank you.
unidentified
You're welcome.
And thank you for all of the great stuff that you're doing.
I wanted to say a couple of things about the NDEs and, you know, good things happening to bad people and vice versa.
And, you know, understanding is such an important aspect of compassion.
And I think that when good people have bad experiences and vice versa, that that really provides a cornerstone for compassion in their lives and that when they come back, they have a balanced place to come from and to take action from.
And what you do when you go into the hostels is incredible.
And if people don't feel that that's always appropriate for them, I think it's good to remember that we can all afford to be a little bit more kind in our interactions with each other, just in general.
dannion brinkley
Because we're going to be that person, Deb.
And see, we have first breath and last breath.
We have a section called, I believe that the breath is the power.
And so we have what's called the cuddlers also, where babies who just come into this world, crack babies and children who just come into this world, we have a section that goes and holds children and puts love around children.
It's just I don't particularly like children.
They drive me crazy.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't want to.
dannion brinkley
And I like to talk to people.
I'd like to say one other thing to everybody.
Please make those checks to CIA and not to Daniel Brinkley.
Make them to compassionate action.
I think that the power of the breath, the first breath or the last breath, and if we care about those coming in this world and we care about those leaving, then those of us who are in the middle become strengthened.
We have better vision, better hopes, better dreams, and better aspirations because we just added this one more.
We put one more step toward all of us loving each other in this world.
unidentified
Yeah, I absolutely agree with you.
My chiropractor says that she sees older people and the only physical contact that they get is when they're in her office.
And it just breaks my heart.
art bell
I know I hear that all the time.
dannion brinkley
But you see something, Deb, remember.
Just like art, what art allows me to talk about, he lets me talk about, like everyone else wants to talk about our issues.
But we're making a difference.
Just you talking and you calling and art being able to talk about it, people will venture.
People will venture out.
They will hunt their local hospice.
They will start looking at this.
They'll look at the rights because we're having to make decisions about our moms and dads and brothers and sisters.
It's not something to ponder.
It's time for action.
And the more we understand that the process called death, the more we can truly empower ourselves to live life.
And I'm trying.
That's what I try to do.
You know, I'm a guy who has a pretty good time.
And I have a lot of fun in my life, although it's very limited now because of all the crap I've been through.
But I want people to love this life.
I think it's a great opportunity that we come to be co-creators and to live every moment and every day with as much joy and intensity and study and learning that we can possibly can.
art bell
So in other words, it's not like life's a bitch, then you die.
dannion brinkley
No, life's wonderful.
And, you know, Hart, look at the stuff I've been through, and I just love every day to live.
art bell
You're giving you a hard time, Dan.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
Hello there.
unidentified
Hello.
Hi, this is Deborah in Las Vegas.
art bell
Hi, Debra.
unidentified
There's a lot of Debs on the phone tonight.
art bell
Yeah.
unidentified
Daniel, I have an unusual question for you.
I have a snake that's 26 years old.
It's a bottle constrictor.
I've had him for a long time, and he's not well, and the vet does not know what it is.
I'm wondering if intuitively you can pick up anything I could treat him with, because I've been treating him myself.
art bell
Listen, one thing we don't do on the air is readings.
dannion brinkley
Yeah, well, I mean, I don't ever, animals are not something that I pick up.
unidentified
Oh, no.
dannion brinkley
They're not something, I mean, I know that they exist in a form on the other side, but children.
Children under seven, I usually know nothing about them.
Under 14, I have difficult picking up.
But from 14 to whatever age, I can perceive it.
art bell
That's interesting.
There are a lot of people capable of doing readings on the air.
You're one of them.
I know it.
Oh, yeah, easy.
I'm about to have another on Friday night, this Friday night.
You may know her.
Sylvia Brown.
dannion brinkley
Oh, she's wonderful.
art bell
She's going to be here Friday night, Saturday.
dannion brinkley
Everybody, please listen to that show.
Sylvia Brown, I've met her a couple of times.
She's a lot of fun.
She has kind of like the same personality as me because we don't take people pushing us around.
And Sylvia Brown is absolutely wonderful.
art bell
But I don't do readings on the air.
I talk about these things.
I think it's fascinating for the masses to talk about them.
But when you do individual readings for most people out there, it's really boring.
I mean, that's something you do if you wish to volunteer to do it on your own time.
But I don't think it's proper for broadcasting.
unidentified
Well, I don't know.
dannion brinkley
A 26-year-old boy constrictor.
I'd be, you know, I don't know, but, you know, I'm glad you had him for as long as you had him.
unidentified
And, you know, everybody pray for the boy constrictor.
art bell
Yeah, and Boa will live on in your mind.
dannion brinkley
I'll see you at the Spiritual Odyssey Dev and bring him over, and I'll probably, I'll do a laying on of hands.
art bell
Oh, my God.
Wildcard line, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
Hello.
unidentified
Yeah, hi, Art and Daniel.
art bell
Hi.
unidentified
Yeah, Art, I can understand your apprehension to anybody.
Who are we talking to?
I just wanted to make a comment.
art bell
Well, yeah, who are we talking to?
He's got a good point.
What is your name?
unidentified
David in Ken City.
Okay, David.
Yeah, well, the reason I'd be a little apprehensive for hospice work is that I wouldn't want to give secondhand knowledge.
And Daniel, it's easy for you because you are confident that it's first-hand knowledge to you.
art bell
Yeah, see, that's exactly what I've been telling them in sort of a less elegant manner.
dannion brinkley
But you see, listen, guys, hospice doesn't, you don't have to tell them there's an afterlife.
You can tell them that you don't know.
They need to process the end of their life.
They need somebody to listen.
They need to go back through a lot of things.
It doesn't just require being able to tell a person there's a life after death.
It requires that there's a quality of their life right then and that you've come to bear witness to that fact so that they can process.
A lot of people who are just by themselves and they're lying in a hospital bed or in a VA, they got no one except to keep boiling that stuff over in their minds.
You walk in and you just sit down and let them talk.
You'll be amazed at what you learn.
And you'll be amazed at what that person got to process something that you could just think about.
I have a lot of hospice friends who I never bring up the afterlife.
I never even bring it up because I'm not trying to push anything on anybody.
I want that person to know that the dignity of their life and who they are is appreciated.
And that's what, you know, we train volunteers.
We train people how to handle every type of situation.
And so you know when to shut up or you know when to bring up something or when not to.
I mean this is we one of our parts of our training is how to be a good listener.
And it doesn't, you know, the quality and the dignity of that person's life means something and they have somebody to help them in it.
And maybe, you know, a lot of times you hear about what they wish they had done and that they could live their life over.
And there are questions that you can ask, but that person really gets to review their life.
And you never talk about it.
You can just say, look, I don't know if there's a life after death.
I just want you to be able to tell me your life story.
art bell
Yeah, but I would want to be able to say that, Dan.
I would want to be able to say that.
That I have knowledge.
That's the kind of comfort you can really give to somebody.
You've been there and back.
I haven't.
This call.
dannion brinkley
There's more than I like to think about.
art bell
Yeah, and this caller hasn't.
And so you've got to shift your perspective a little to understand the hesitancy that we would feel in that kind of situation, not being able to give the kind of assurance that you can give.
Tough.
It's tough.
dannion brinkley
You know, you're right, Art.
I agree.
unidentified
I mean, I have to admit.
Yeah, I did have a question for Daniel.
Yeah, Daniel.
I'm not going to get the drug's name on the air because art never has.
But the drug that many neurologists use.
art bell
Drug X, we'll call it.
unidentified
Yeah.
art bell
For near-death experiences.
unidentified
Sure.
art bell
Scary stuff, Dan.
What about it?
unidentified
Well, can I ask to elaborate a little bit?
Raising Lazarus: Near-Death Mimics 00:04:08
unidentified
Yep.
Well, it blocks brain receptors for the neurotransmitter glutamate.
And my thought is that it does alter consciousness to mimic the NDE.
What I am afraid of, and I think that you can probably express it, is that other than just an altered state of consciousness, because death, that may be near-death, and it's pure semantics.
But what about death where Riga Mortis sets in and it would actually take cells to rejuvenate?
I mean, has anybody ever really been there?
art bell
Okay, we're going to have to.
We're going to, yeah, only one, according to well, Lazarus, there's two.
dannion brinkley
I mean, Christ called Lazarus from the tomb.
I mean, there's a lot of symbology in that is the story of Lazarus being raised from the dead.
It's not really literally the event of raising him from the dead.
art bell
Dan, hold it there.
We've got a break.
unidentified
We'll be right back.
This is Premier Networks.
That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM from February 10th, 1999.
art bell
Can you imagine being in a green room, that little waiting room before you go on a TV show, and hearing an astronaut's handler tell him what he can't talk about?
Can you imagine that?
First time for that one tonight.
Daniel Brinkley will be right back.
unidentified
Listen.
art bell
Preparation.
For what?
I don't know.
Y2K?
Gonna have Gary North on at the end of next week.
He'll tell you about Y2K.
And if it doesn't come on by itself as a problem, we may create it ourselves.
Who knows?
I don't know.
We'll talk about that.
It's kind of an interesting aspect of the whole thing.
Fires Of Hell Put Out 00:02:55
art bell
I'm going to read you something that I hope I don't get in trouble for reading you, but I'm going to do it whether I do or not.
It's to Ann Landers.
It appeared in Ann Landers' Nationally Syndicated Newspaper column.
November 11th, the world observed the 80th anniversary of the end of World War I. 80 years ago on that date, a reporter wrote last night, for the first time since August in the first year of the war, there was no light of gunfire in the sky, no sudden stabs of flame through darkness, no spreading glow above black trees where for four years of nights human beings were smashed to death.
The fires of hell had been put out.
Those who put the fires of hell out were our nation's veterans.
All Americans owe eternal gratitude to them.
Not only those who fought in World War I, but those who served in World War II, Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, and so many others, our veterans have always responded when their country called, no matter what dangers they had to face, no matter what trials they had to undergo.
And I might add, no matter what kind of war they were told they had to fight.
Ms. Landers, this goes on, every year America's hospitalized vets look forward with great anticipation to your Valentines for Vets program.
By sending them Valentines from all over the world, your readers show hospitalized veterans that we are still grateful for their service and their sacrifices in 1999.
The Department of Veterans Affairs, VA, National Salute to Hospitalized Veterans will be observed the week of February 14th through the 20th.
Your readers can mail their Valentines to their nearest VA medical center, or they can be personally delivered.
For the location of the nearest facility, readers should check their local telephone directory.
They can also get addresses at the department's website, www.va.gov.
It's signed.
Thank you for your loyal support of our nation's veterans.
Sincerely, Togo D. West Jr., Secretary, Department of Veterans Affairs, Washington, D.C. Here once again is Daniel Brinkley.
Dan.
Barb's Call 00:15:37
unidentified
Art.
art bell
Yes.
Final segment here.
And here we go.
First time caller line.
You're on the air with Daniel Brinkley and Art Bell.
Good morning.
Where are you, please?
unidentified
Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
art bell
Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
Okay, you're good.
unidentified
I can't hear her.
I know.
art bell
I was about to tell her to yell at us.
unidentified
Yell at us, hon. Okay, Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
art bell
That's better.
dannion brinkley
And your name?
unidentified
Barb.
Hi, Barb.
Hi.
I got a couple questions for you.
When you do your life review when you pass on, does that take very long?
dannion brinkley
Well, it takes, remember on the other side, which is where's the other side, but when you're there, time and space don't really have a meaning like we have now in dealing with the nature of quantum.
You know quantum dynamics and quantum physics.
On this side we have to have space and we have to have time.
Your life review goes by in seconds, but it's the same.
As you go back through your every day, every life, every breath you breathed in and out, every thought that you had everything.
art bell
If you had a life like Daniel, it's like an eternity.
dannion brinkley
Trust me and listen, three times I've had to go through the first 25 years.
You know they don't like let me skip over a part Barb they, I have to go back through that same stuff every time.
So and you know, I would like to say something else I would really like to have have a near-death experience, not from being hit by a car and what that young lady went through, but to be able to go and see these places and these levels and then go to the light and know that she could stay there and then to go back and check out hell again and then to ease on back to the world.
Sounds like pretty cool to me.
art bell
Get to a computer and listen to that Daniel young lady.
Did you hear that young lady the other morning explain that near-death.
unidentified
No uh-uh, I'm sorry, when I'm in her bar.
Well then, you've got to go listen to yeah um, another question um, does God allow the loved ones say there's turmoil here on earth?
Does God allow the loved ones to come back and check?
Oh sure, and if there's turmoil now and the the loved one see, I lost my mother four months ago.
All but heaven gained her too Barb, yeah and yeah, and I'm glad I'm, I'm very, very happy, accepted that it's still hard on me because I miss her, because I loved her dearly, oh yeah, but remember, we all grieve.
dannion brinkley
Don't let anybody tell you how to grieve.
I mean, you take your time, you'll miss, you miss her.
You can cry when you want to, you can laugh when you want to, but try to do this for me, make you a list some afternoon of the funniest things that you ever saw happen between the two of you, or the funniest things she ever did.
That is the key to be able to keep in close contact.
It's not the sadness or the loss, it's the humor, the funny things of the likeness.
And when you want to pull her close to you, pick a certain day at a time, like her birthday or a time you guys had special to you, and think of the really funny stuff that went on between the two of you and the senses of humor and always the people that I always remember the sense of humor and of a person and I can stay connected to them.
unidentified
Another thing, we're going through a lot within the family now.
I have two brothers that are totally destroying what family we have left.
dannion brinkley
Happens a lot.
art bell
Happens a lot in America today.
dannion brinkley
The number one, Barb, the number one new legal field is probating wills and lawsuits dealing with probating wills.
So it's happening to a lot of us.
unidentified
I mean, they stole my mother's really her last will.
She didn't.
I know she wrote it on a piece of paper and she left a cassette tape.
This is what I feel in my heart.
And they went in and stole that.
And now we have to take them to court to bring justice and honesty.
art bell
Well, you hit that one on the head, Dan.
unidentified
And it's like, you know, it's tearing.
I mean, I don't see.
dannion brinkley
Let me give you a place, Barb.
unidentified
Watch.
dannion brinkley
I watch it all the time.
Remember.
And this you can take as much comfort.
Know this.
They're going to have in their life review.
They're going to feel the pain that they're creating.
And there's no escape.
What you look back in your life, because there's the laws, you know, like my lawyer, who's a really great lawyer, he has a sign on the back of his, behind his desk.
It says, justice is in heaven.
Down here, we just practice the law.
And that's the way it is.
But by keeping your heart pure and clean, and keeping the value of your mom, and know that they're going to have that life review, and they're going to feel every bit of it.
And let it go.
Find a new family, a new sense of family.
You know, call compassion in action if it's in your town or come join another family.
You know, hospice volunteers are some of the most wondrous people.
But don't let that eat at you.
art bell
Yeah, that's really good advice.
That's really good advice.
dannion brinkley
Don't let it eat at you.
art bell
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
Good morning.
greg in el cong california
Hi, Arden.
Daniel, how are you?
art bell
All right.
greg in el cong california
This is Greg from El Cong, California.
art bell
Yes, sir.
unidentified
And your name?
greg in el cong california
Greg.
dannion brinkley
Hey, hi, Greg.
greg in el cong california
Hi, Daniel.
I can't tell you how pleased I am to talk to you.
I've tried many times and failed.
dannion brinkley
Oh, well, thanks.
Did I make you a fuzzy bunny when I talk?
greg in el cong california
What's that?
dannion brinkley
Like that lady said earlier, make a fuzzy bunny out of you.
Somebody said something earlier that when they heard my voice, it was like a fuzzy bunny or something.
art bell
I wouldn't use that phrase myself.
unidentified
Whatever it was.
greg in el cong california
When the show first came on, my wife adores your works.
And she says that sometimes when she just thinks of you, she gets misty.
And I think it's wonderful, the feeling that you've brought to her and to me.
dannion brinkley
Oh, thanks, Greg.
greg in el cong california
Daniel, the question that it's not a question, but it's an experience that I had back in late 93.
It's something that I've wanted to ask your opinion about for a while.
My father-in-law had died, who I cared and loved very much.
I was very close to him.
Matter of fact, as far as a man goes, I admired him really much more than anyone I've known.
And I knew him for such a very short time.
I married my wife in 89, so I knew him for maybe a little over five years total.
dannion brinkley
Oh, but he gave you a good piece of advice when you were going through your job change.
Well, when you were getting ready to go through a, you like with changing jobs and the insight that he gave you in that, I mean, showed, I mean, I can pick up things about that guy.
greg in el cong california
You know, Daniel, that scares me.
You're right.
dannion brinkley
And that's what gave you that strength so that you two became bonded.
art bell
Daniel?
dannion brinkley
Daniel.
Okay, I'm sorry.
greg in el cong california
The thing that I called to ask you about was this.
Shortly thereafter, he died.
And this is a good man, and this is something that's always troubled me.
And maybe it was something that I got mixed up in a dream or not.
Maybe you can clarify it for me.
But it was one of the few dreams in my 34 years of life that I can remember.
Maybe it's one of three.
dannion brinkley
Okay.
Tell me.
greg in el cong california
In this dream, I was with him.
And I've never had a near-death experience, but I was actually with him after he died, and it felt very real.
dannion brinkley
Is it the dream, or this is you with him?
greg in el cong california
Well, I know I was in bed because I woke up after the time.
dannion brinkley
Okay, so in the dream you were with him?
greg in el cong california
Yes, sir.
Okay.
And he and I were it almost, it was all white.
It looked like almost a cafeteria, but there was no one there but he and I.
And we both had like a white rope type material, yet we were communicating with each other, but not speaking.
dannion brinkley
Telepathic.
greg in el cong california
Wow.
And the thing was, Daniel, as I asked my father-in-law, I said, well, where are we?
And we just started to walk.
And I remember very vividly walking down this hallway, and there was these windows.
And outside, I could see a terrain that was of reddish, and the atmosphere was a purplish-red type atmosphere.
dannion brinkley
I know where that place is.
unidentified
Let me finish because it's so this is let me tell you something Greg Yes, sir.
dannion brinkley
This happens a lot.
greg in el cong california
It does.
dannion brinkley
When a person leaves, usually in the dreamlike states, which are the states the Greek call the hypnogic, just before you go to sleep or just before you wake up.
They can come to you in this state, and they can spend time so that you know they're safe and they're peaceful.
Literally 66% of all spouses have some form of contact with their departed loved ones.
There was a great book written by Melvin Morris called Parting Visions that when you read it, you will hear people describing just what you're describing.
I have little doubt that that was him coming back to make sure you had certain comfort and because of the closeness with you and you would know it was peaceful.
unidentified
Ask your wife if she's had anything similar to that.
greg in el cong california
Well, she has with her mother, but the thing is, Daniel, is that the led to the next thing was that he and I went down and we sat down in a room, an all-white room once again, and there were pews, very few.
It was a very small room.
I never saw anybody's faces, but they were all dressed in the same type of garment.
And there were these speakers on the wall.
There was some foreign tongue coming out of them.
I had no idea what it was.
It was like garble to me.
And my father-in-law was just looking down at me, and then he and I walked back out.
And I asked him, I said, well, you know, if this is heaven or a good place.
I said, I don't really understand what I'm seeing.
And he told me, he says, I'm really not sure if this is.
And then he mentioned to me that something along the lines of that, you know, you better straighten out some of these things in your life.
I don't know if I want you to end up like me.
This is something that was very confusing.
dannion brinkley
Yeah, but here's a way.
You know, he's already gone and seen the Panoramic Life Review.
A lot of people, you know, when Art was talking earlier about ghosts or discarnates, a lot of people don't really don't, not a lot, but some don't want to go to the light.
Some pick places where they go in refuge or they go to face themselves.
art bell
That's what I think, too.
dannion brinkley
Yeah, I mean, and you go to these levels.
There are so many dimensions on the other side.
I mean, I'm aware of those levels because I've been able to, you know, see ghosts.
I used to be in the ghost busting business, but I got broken of the habit.
art bell
Hey, you know what?
You know what, Dan?
What?
I've got a picture I want you to see.
It's on my website now.
next time you get a computer you've got two reasons to go to my website one is here's a little girl yeah Yep, yep.
And the second is, Dan, there's a photograph I got two days ago that Ramona handed me that was sent in the mail.
And the photograph is of a car crash.
It was somebody, there were several people in the car, and the person who was driving tried to avoid hitting a deer in the road, and they demolished the car.
Dan, there's a picture of the car up there on the website.
It is totally, utterly, completely demolished.
You look at that car, and there's no way that anybody walked away alive from that car.
Truth of the matter is, Dan, everybody walked away without a scratch.
And then there's one more thing in the photograph, Dan.
There's an angel.
dannion brinkley
A guardian angel.
art bell
There's a guardian angel in the photograph.
It is one of the most impressive photographs I've ever seen in my life.
It's on my website now.
dannion brinkley
Oh, I can't wait.
art bell
Please.
dannion brinkley
Oh, I will look at it because I believe these things.
See, I see archangels, or not archangels, but I see great spiritual beings around people.
I see people's guides around them a lot.
art bell
This photograph was taken by a professional photographer, you know, who takes pictures of accidents, and it was about to be discarded.
And this young lady picked it up who sent it to me.
Her name and address and everything is up there on the website.
You look at that picture.
I want your impressions of it, all right?
dannion brinkley
Okay, no doubt.
unidentified
But let me, Greg, remember this.
dannion brinkley
He was in a state, and what you have to do is maybe not end up like him, but to help you do better.
When he said straighten out your life, it gave you a chance to go back and review your life.
Because wherever this place was, he was in an in-between state deciding about what to do with what he had seen about himself.
I know the place.
I mean, I know where that place is because it's where you forgive yourself and you really process all the stuff in you as a spiritual being, not as a human.
art bell
Or maybe, Daniel, where you don't forgive yourself.
dannion brinkley
Yeah, well, I didn't forgive myself.
unidentified
That's why I ended up back there in 1989.
What a fool.
dannion brinkley
You know, I've gotten over that too, Art.
art bell
Easy Rockies, we're almost out of time.
You're on the air with Daniel Brinkley and Art Bell.
unidentified
Hi.
Hi, Art.
And hi, Daniel.
Hello.
And God bless you both, by the way.
art bell
Where are you, sir?
unidentified
It's Mike in Chicago, W-O-O-S.
art bell
Yes, Mike.
dannion brinkley
Hi, Mike.
unidentified
Daniel, earlier, you mentioned that when you were in one of your experiences, that you could sense being in different realities simultaneously.
Oh, yeah.
Do you remember how many?
dannion brinkley
Well, I was in four simultaneous places.
I mean, I believe there's up to seven.
But in the two first near-death experiences, the lightning and the heart surgery, I could sense dimensions on the other side.
But in the third near-death experience where I had brain surgery, I was aware that we are four complete different, it takes four complete different bodies of consciousness, and that we operate, since our physical self and our mental self deals with preservation or gratification, and they're so supportive of each other, we forget the other levels.
But these are dimensions.
I was living in a, you could call it past, the present, but in other dimensions, other places as real as this physical world that we live in now.
And it wasn't, you know, I'm still exploring this because I'm not really sure.
I write about it and if it's true, but me trying to figure it out.
unidentified
Was it like different personalities?
dannion brinkley
No, no, same personality, but we are working.
We're not just here.
We're in four different places, different spectrums or levels of consciousness, doing just as much there as we're doing right here.
I mean, we are multifaceted, multi-dimensional spiritual beings operating in multi-levels of consciousness.
Thanking Compassionately 00:00:59
dannion brinkley
I know it gets confusing.
art bell
Well, you're going to hear that from Daniel Brinkley, or you can hear it from Michio Kaku, one of the nation's leading, bright theoretical physicists' minds.
They both say the same thing about the dimensions.
dannion brinkley
It's wild how wondrous and how magnificent life is and the nature of us as true, powerful, and mighty spiritual beings.
art bell
Oh, yes.
No question about that.
Well, Dan, we're out of time again.
dannion brinkley
Well, I've certainly enjoyed it, and I like to tell everybody I thank them.
I love them very much, and thanks for comparing about thinking about compassion and action in their thoughts and Make sure they come to Egypt.
art bell
Dan, have a good morning.
Get some sleep.
dannion brinkley
I'll do it.
Tomorrow Night's Surprise 00:00:32
dannion brinkley
And I'll be at the hospice.
I'll be at the hospital all day with veterans.
So everybody, and thanks, Harden.
Tell Ramona hello and just all the art knots out there.
Thank you for your support and your love.
art bell
Take care, my friend.
dannion brinkley
You too, brother.
art bell
That's Daniel Brinkley.
All right, folks.
That is it.
Well, all right.
Tomorrow night.
Tomorrow night, Brad Steiger is going to be here, and we have quite a surprise for you.
Indeed, quite a surprise.
Tomorrow night, Brad Steiger from the High Desert.
For now, that's it.
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