Father Charles Moore, a retired Catholic priest recommended by Zachariah Sitchin, blends Anunnaki mythology—extraterrestrial gods mining gold via human genetic engineering—with biblical texts like Genesis and the Book of Enoch, framing them as warnings of cyclical bolide (comet/asteroid) impacts tied to Earth’s 30-million-year galactic orbit. He links the "third secret of Fatima" (June 30, 1999) and Graham Hancock’s The Mars Mystery to catastrophic tsunamis or "rains of fire," dismissing literal Antichrist prophecies as symbolic constructs while critiquing institutional religion for corruption and exploitation. Moore’s universalist approach—rooted in shamanic traditions and compassionate spiritual bonding—rejects dogma, aligning Jesus with liberation rather than divine separation, and warns that humanity remains trapped in cycles of control despite ancestral wisdom. [Automatically generated summary]
The most egregious horrendous unbelievable occurrence in football that I have seen in many years occurred The game came to a tie at the end and the referee, as is usually the case, came out with a coin and flipped it into the air.
Steeler's guy claims he called Tails.
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The referee thought he heard the guy say heads, Tails, and he said heads.
Generally, the first person to get the ball after the overtime begins wins the game.
I think Rick here from La Quintaquinta, I guess, pronounced.
Sums it up well, dear Art.
I agree with the potential dangers associated with mass prayer.
However, sometimes the need outweighs the risks.
Could you make one exception this time?
Could we possibly all pray for an immediate reinstatement of instant replay?
No kidding.
I mean, there were some really horrible calls in that game.
Just terrible, wrong, game-changing calls.
They must bring back instant replay.
They must bring it back.
That's all there is to it.
Whether it does your team a service or not, I think that we live in a modern day and age where we have the ability quickly to look and see what really happened.
And it's getting a little embarrassing out there for a referee to make a game changing bad decision that stands because they won't accept the video instant replay.
European AIDS deaths are down, not just down, but they have fallen 84% since 1995.
They are obviously beginning to get a handle on all of this.
A very sad note, if true, and I hope it is not true.
I pray it is not true.
But it may be.
Apparently, the Drudge Report and Associated Press, according to what I've got here, say that Elizabeth Claire Prophet has announced she has Alzheimer's.
And when I interviewed her, she did not sound quite right.
And I'm so very sorry if that is true.
So, initial reports that I'm getting indicate Elizabeth Clare Prophet has Alzheimer's disease.
Well, up there near the Reading Ripple, you're getting a bunch of earthquakes.
They're, in fact, swarming.
Swarming earthquakes near Redding, California.
Twelve of them in the last 24 hours.
Strongest a 5.1.
That's a pretty good size.
That occurred at 11.40 p.m.
Wednesday evening.
We are going to be talking in the next hour with Father Charles L. Moore.
And I got Father Moore's name and number from none other than Zachariah Sitchin.
And Zachariah said that Father Moore has been following what Zachariah Sitchin has been laying out all of these years and has comments on it.
And it seemed to me impossible.
Just impossible.
How could a Catholic priest believe that the Anunnaki from the 12th planet are our gods with a small G, that they tampered with us genetically, causing us to be what we are today?
I mean, this does drift a little bit away from the traditional Catholic point of view.
But we'll find out.
It'll be interesting.
I suppose around the rest of the dial, it's all repeat City, we're here live tonight.
We'll be here tomorrow night, too.
I thought this was kind of cute.
It's called a bottle of wine from Janet in Freeburg, Illinois.
Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson went on a camping trip.
After a good meal and a bottle of wine, they lay down for the night, went to sleep.
Some hours later, Holmes awoke and nudged his faithful friend.
Watson, look up at the sky and tell me what you see.
Watson replied, I see millions and millions of stars.
Astronomically, it tells me there are millions of galaxies and potentially billions of planets.
Astrologically, I observe that Saturn is in Leo.
Horologically, I deduce that time is approximately a quarter past three.
Theologically, I can see that God is all-powerful and that we are but small and insignificant.
From a meteorological point of view, I suspect we have a beautiful day tomorrow.
What does it tell you, Holmes?
Holmes was silent for nearly a full moment, and then spoke, Watson, you idiot, some bastard stole our tent.
I don't know why that one hit me, but it did.
Global warming may have triggered the unprecedented melting of sea ice in the Arctic, which has left the remaining ice up to a third get this third thinner than it was 20 years ago.
This comes from Fox News Direct.
Scientists studying sonar readings from British submarines fear the thaw could lead to huge disruptions of the world's ocean circulations, including the Gulf Stream, which keeps Britain and Western Europe relatively warm.
A failure or a deflection of the Gulf Stream, which keeps Britain's ports free of ice and ensures that winter temperatures generally are warmer than at similar latitudes in Canada and the former Soviet Union, would have a devastating, indeed, effect on the climate and the economy there.
So you see, when people tell you that, you know, the ice breaking off in the Antarctic, so what?
Melting so what?
Think about it.
At the same latitude, suddenly Britain and Western Europe, which are kept relatively warm, would no longer be warm and would freeze, and that would change the economics of things just a bit, wouldn't it?
So I thought you'd want to hear that.
And everybody wants to say, well, it just does not make any difference.
You know what?
It really doesn't.
I know.
It sounds scary, the ice falling into the water, the ice melting, but big deal.
Well, sorry to tell you, folks, but it is indeed a big deal if it's going to begin to change the economy of nations.
Well, it'll probably work out that it'll get cold as hell down here or something, and it'll get warm up there, and you'll grow all the food, and we'll have to buy some.
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But the thing to worry about is how long is it going to last so nice up here?
And also, at least it'll make the bad weather last for less time, we would hope.
And it's also pretty strange to look outside and see hardly any snow at all or none in a lot of cases.
One day in the future, perhaps, but we just repeated it.
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Palmer, well, I wanted to tell you, I'm curious as hell as to what took you off the air, but if it means danger to your family, I'd just as soon not know.
There already has been some information that has broken in some publications, and it's getting closer all the time, but when it'll finally, I suppose, break, but I shall not be the one to do it.
When it does, however, I'll have a lot to say, as I keep saying.
Until then, I'm going to keep my own counsel.
Anyway, coming up on the bottom of the hour, don't forget at the top of the hour, Dr. Father.
Dr. Father.
Dr. Charles L. Moore, Father Moore, actually.
And we'll talk about the Anunnaki.
We'll talk about the 12th planet.
We'll talk about Zachariah Sitchin.
It should be a different kind of conversation.
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Words of love, so soft and tender, won't Winnebill's heart anymore.
If you love her, then you must send her somewhere where she's never been before.
Worn-out phrases and lying gazes won't get you where you want to go.
Words of love, soft and tender, won't Winnebill's heart anymore.
From the Kingdom of Nine, this is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Belt.
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You're lucky because, you know what, they're selling out.
And we've got to wait for the next batch to come that are produced, unfortunately.
And they're being grabbed up so quickly now that the word has spread like wildfire about the radio and they're going.
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I was thankful.
I received mine in one week, which is fast from California to Canada.
It has to come through customs and a few things.
And I'm very happy with the service.
Here in Canada, one reason I called you had another major Y2K announcement.
As you know, maybe a month ago, the Canadian military had announced nationally that all the troops would be on standby in case we needed them on that December 31st.
Our National Police Force, the RCMP, have all been notified to there's nobody getting any days off from December 31st up till possibly March of year 2000.
Let's say that Y2K brings with it half of what we think it might.
Power goes out, water stops because they can't pump.
Are you ready?
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I personally am.
I'm retired from business and live in a cabin in the country.
I've got my wood stove and I'm able to rough it and good well water and things like that.
Yes, I'm ready partially.
And I've tested all my VCRs and that works properly.
They go to 0-0, but they still work.
But today, the major announcement today on our national television station was that the Canadian insurance companies have announced that they're not going to cover Y2K claims.
Exactly.
They're going to put exclusion clauses in all of their insurance claims.
So that's a major announcement.
I don't know they're going quite public with it here in Canada and preparing us for, I guess, what's coming up.
The international line is not so hard to get through on.
Thank you.
Tomorrow night, nothing but ghost stories.
Now I warn you, and I really mean this, listening to a full night of real ghost stories is scary as hell.
You know why?
Because they're very common.
Very common.
Too common.
And as you listen, you begin to realize that about halfway through, you'll begin to get a chill going down your spine that won't leave for a long, long time.
Well, anyway, they had a big crew compartment up forward, and I was sort of relaxing there, and the line navigator, the guy who was for that mission, having some problem with the radar.
So he came back and asked me, I was captain, and I had more experience, and maybe I've flown this route and knew something.
I had been through the navigation bombing school at Matha, and I remembered that very dense material, very large structures would give a tremendous return.
So I said, well, it's not jamming, because I knew what jamming looked like.
So I think it in my fuzzy mind said, it must be some new type of jamming mechanism that we have on some of our ships that we haven't heard about.
And it covers an area so that a missile can't home in on it.
A missile needs a point.
It can't home in on an area.
Sure.
So that's what it must be.
We told the pilot, he picked it up on his repeater scope up there, and we gave him an ETA for it.
And I said, tell me a Navy carrier group is some type of jamming mechanism.
And so that's all.
We changed frequencies.
We listened, think if we could pick up some Navy aircraft, listening to them talk between the aircraft.
Didn't pick up anything.
So we plunged on ahead.
It was now daylight.
And they gave me an ETA for about 50 miles out because at that point, their combat air patrol would intercept us.
Even though we were on course and Airways knew of our position and so forth, a carrier group would automatically intercept any plane coming to the area just to make sure who they say who they think who they say.
The radar was tilting down, looking at it, and we couldn't see anything except an area, a darkened area, approximately three miles long, a mile and a half wide, which looked exactly like what the radar return was indicating.
The only thing that could have been was something very dense right beneath the surface of the water, and all our experience was that the radar energy would not pick up anything as soon as it went under the water.
Too deep to have been the shadow of a submarine or anything.
No other interference, no interference on our radios.
As we passed behind it, we lost track of it because of the configuration of the aircraft.
We sent the coded message into Hickam that we had an identified sighting, gave it the latitude, longitude, latitude, the fact that it was.
I would like you to contact there's two things that you can do.
One is you can file a Freedom of Information request that will get you all that information, assuming it's been unclassified by now, and I would think it would be.
You can contact somebody named Peter Gersten, who is in...
Gerston, G-E-R-S-T-E-N.
He is an attorney who will willingly do this kind of work.
Yes, our submarine expert, and there was no question about his expertise, when asked directly about things that moved utterly too fast and much too large under the sea, do they see them as we see UFOs in our skies?
And the answer was an unqualified without hesitation, oh yes.
Probably to the same degree that we have unidentified objects that cannot be explained seen here.
What that man saw, you've got to admit, is very interesting and deserves an FOIA request.
It'd be interesting to see what they come up with, huh?
I mean, fasting is not a good topic on Thanksgiving, but...
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But that is a topic I was going to talk about in response to Joe that called before.
Oh, yes.
And that's what I'd like to say to him, that if he's feeling a sense of powerlessness, like he really, there's nothing that he can do, I would just like to suggest to him to take some time to fast and pray.
And I would say from my experience that truly nothing's impossible through prayer and fasting.
It's like that commercial they have where the rep comes out and As finally has to ask the players if anybody's changed for a dollar, you know?
Having a bad day.
It was that bad.
It was really that bad.
It should be embarrassing for officiating in the NFL.
All right, coming up in a moment, Father Charles L. Moore, and I don't know a thing about Father Charles L. Moore, except that my friend Zachariah Sitchin said I should have him on the air.
And so that's exactly what we're going to do.
It's hard to imagine a Catholic priest who would have any sympathy at all with the twelfth planet, the small gods, the small G gods, the genetic tampering, and all that as our beginning.
Anyway, we're going to find out.
We'll find out about Father Moore together in a moment.
Because of a dialogue that's been going on between Zachariah Sitchin and myself for several years now, and in which we seem to understand each other with great accuracy.
And I have been very grateful to Zachariah for providing me with some insights into where theology might have come from.
Well, it's a pretty long way from that conservative background to an alliance with Zachariah Sitchin and the 12th planet and the Anunnaki and all the rest of it.
So maybe you can explain to all of us how that happened.
Well, I'd just like to make a phrase first as introduction.
It's the introduction of the gods, this is what I call it, the introduction of the gods into the paradigm, the paradigm being the accepted view.
And I have frequently thanked Zachariah for allowing me to have the information to insert the gods into the paradigm.
And that's what that seems to do for me and for everybody I talk to.
When they get it, all of a sudden all sorts of things make sense that never made sense before.
It's probably the most remarkable synthesis of what might be called secular history and scientific process and religious theory that I've ever found in my life.
Well, the gods, of course, play a big part in the historical view of the world by mankind, and they appear quite Forcefully in the Bible, but they appear in the Bible as if they were mythological or as if they were things of naught, as it is said.
However, the Greek gods certainly play a big part in our memory of ancient cultures, and the English poets play on them a lot, as do the German philosophers.
And these gods, of course, are looked upon as being mythological or perhaps psychological, and they are taken in those terms.
What Zachariah Sitchin tells us is that they are real, and that they are as real as we are.
And one must understand that these gods are not spelled with a capital G, but with a small one.
I asked him a question one time.
I said, Zachariah, is the God whom we worship the God whom the gods worship?
He thought for a moment, and he said, well, yes, exactly.
And then he wrote a book to prove it.
So the God of gods, as it is stated in the Bible, is extremely consonant with being the God whom the gods worship.
Now, putting that all together, of course, takes a little bit of deep looking at your belief system.
But in the final analysis, it simply verifies it and makes it more credible.
However, when one does this, one has to look at one's creedal system and re-evaluate it.
Many of the favorite doctrines of the Catholic Church, for instance, turn out to mean something quite different in this context than what is usually accepted.
And this process is greatly assisted.
Also, one looks at it and one finds certain real problems about the origin of Christianity, for instance, which come into clear light under the auspices of there being God.
There are many things about the Catholic Church that befuddle me somewhat.
I'm not Catholic, my wife is.
And we went to Rome not long ago and walked into the Sistine Chapel.
And as you walk through the front of the main entrance to the Sistine Chapel, here's this gigantic globe in a glass enclosure with the signs of the Zodiac on it.
Now, I stood there and my jaw dropped, and I went, what?
The Sistine Chapel?
This is what I'm greeted with when I walk into the Sistine Chapel?
And that is the way the encampment of the Israelites was laid out by Moses in the desert.
And you will find that not only do each of the tribes of Israel have a zodiac sign assigned to them, the numbers being 12 in both cases, but that the arrangement of the encampment was the arrangement of the zodiac, in which the Ark of the Covenant pointed east to the equinoctial sunrise,
and the tribes went around in a sunwise circle, as the American Indians would say, from right around to left, in exact order of the zodiac, each tribe having its proper position.
So there's apparently a lot of things about Catholicism that I don't know, a lot of misconceptions about Catholicism.
So you embrace the thought that long ago, this twelfth planet, Hebrew, did come by, that, in fact, there was a race called the Anunnaki, or whatever you want to call them, I suppose it doesn't matter, a race of extraterrestrials who intervened with a creature here at that time,
produced, I suppose, you certainly believe, by God with a big G, and intervened genetically to produce what we are today.
Well, I, as a child, went to Lutheran church and I got similar answers until one day when I asked too many questions, they asked me to just not come back next Sunday.
And people who don't ask questions probably don't care about either the question or the answer.
And so therefore, what's happening in that situation is that the theologian or whoever it is that's teaching you is defending themselves against being brought up against their own doubts and ignorance.
And their refusal to answer or to be questioned is a sign that they don't know what they're talking about.
And let me alert you before we go back to Father Charles Moore to a number of really interesting things that we just got up on our website within minutes.
I mean, just this last half hour.
Now, one is a ghost photograph that is absolutely remarkable, a purported ghost photograph.
You've really got to see it.
It's from 1906, by the way.
And then there's a 1978 UFO photograph from Guess Where, here in Perump, Perump, Nevada, that's where I am.
Submitted by one of my listeners.
And also the New Times interview that I did some time ago.
Keith somehow got hold of it, and it's up on the website too.
So a UFO over Perump, Nevada, taken obviously from a vehicle.
A ghost photograph from 1916 in Kansas.
You might read what comes with it.
Quite remarkable.
And the New Times interview, all up on the website in the last 30 minutes.
That's www.artbell.
That's A-R-T-B-E-L-L lowercase.com.
Every now and then I get things saying, can't find your website.
Well, it's not hard to find.
www.artbellar.com.
A lot of new stuff up there right now, so if I were you, I would move your mouse and get going.
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Interesting email.
Hi, Art.
My name is Anthony, I won't give his last name, and I'm writing from the Republic of South Africa.
I apparently have a lot of listeners there.
I'm listening to your program here now at 9.30 in the morning.
I'm interested in your Y2K comments and phone-ins.
I'm preparing for the Y2K problem here by moving out of the city and going to live in the kingdom of Swaziland, a rural and unspoiled area in the southern African region.
Keep up the good work.
Well, I guess my going on the radio in Cape Town had some effect.
We seem to have a lot of listeners now in South Africa via the web.
Back now to Father Moore.
And Father Moore, you were saying that the great flood was caused by a bullide, or otherwise people would think of it as a meteor or a giant rock from space.
How would Noah have had time to prepare the ark if it was a bullight?
Well, the entire story is recounted in the records of ancient Sumer with great precision.
The name of the person is Utnapishtim.
That's Noah's name in Sumerian.
And Utnapishtim was a king of Erek, which is one of the cities of Sumer.
And it came along that this bull eye was sighted by the gods, this is the way the story goes, coming in, and they knew that it was going to strike and create havoc, and that they would have to evacuate the planet in order to avoid being killed.
And the question was whether they were going to save the people or not.
The chief god Enlil, who usually comes on as El, decided against saving the human race because they'd been so messed up by the interventions of a certain bad god named Hazazil.
And so consequently, he decided not to warn them.
However, the story is that Enlil's brother Enki, who was a friendly person toward humankind, decided that he would save somebody.
And so he called Unnapishtim into the sacred precinct behind the root screen and told him rather to come into the temple at that night and that he might hear something of interest to him.
And there he told the root screen that night about the coming catastrophe and that the entire world was going to be destroyed either by fire or flood, and that therefore he should prepare himself a boat.
And he said, by the way, Rude Screen, I brought the plans for this boat along, and I'll leave them here with you so that you, Rude Screen, can at least escape from this catastrophe.
And leaving, of course, the fish team came out and snatched the plans and went to work and built the boat, and the rest follows.
Dan in Palm Springs, California, asks, perhaps the obvious, Art, happy Thanksgiving, please ask the good father how long he was a priest and was he asked to retire?
That in itself is shocking in that you would have asked a bishop about, told him all of this, and he would have simply acknowledged that you're correct, but it can't be talked about.
There are many, many, many secrets held within the walls of the Vatican, aren't there?
And I've gone to India to check it all out on site.
And it just keeps getting more marvelous all the time.
And for instance, the idea of bodhisattva, the basic statement of Buddha as bodhisattva, which occurs at the time of his passing at the age of 80, is, I am with you all days, even to the end of the world, which is exactly what Jesus had to say.
And the idea is that bodhisattva is the point where the man who is the enlightened Buddha becomes the enlightened spirit who chooses to remain to assist those in the process of illumination who choose to ask him for that assistance.
And it seems to me that this is precisely the same function that Jesus performs.
So that it's so much so that I have this saying that I go by.
And the thing that got me was that I read his book shortly after it came out, and I found the information about the third secret of Fatima shortly thereafter.
And the fact that both the third secret of Fatima and Graham Hancock's prediction predict exactly the same date kind of raised my hair up a little bit.
Graham Hancock, you know, in his book The Mars Mystery says that these life-extinguishing events have occurred every 30 million years within the last 4.5 billion of the planet's existence.
Now, I have some sympathy with that point of view because, of course, there is the eternal dialogue between those who believe in creation and those who believe in evolution.
And I don't see the process of evolution underway, though I'm here for a short time and may not notice.
I tend to believe that we go through periods of creation and destruction, and that evolution as we know it, particularly as you look back on it, there are jumps that are unaccountable, occurred at times of creation or destruction and then creation again.
The thing is that we are living in a shooting gallery, and you look around at the other planets, and you can plainly see that bolide hits are the order of the day.
It's what the frequency is that we don't know, and that Earth isn't any different than any of the others.
And Graham Hancock tells you exactly why these bolide hits hit at that frequency of 30 million years, which you might be interested to know.
And the idea is that the Sun, it's about orbital speeds.
The orbital speed of the Earth, well, one of them is 1,000 miles an hour, you know, around its axis.
The other one is 60,000 miles an hour around the Sun in its yearly course.
The other one is, I believe, 360,000 miles an hour, which is the speed of the Sun going around the Milky Way.
The thing is, though, is the Sun moves around the Milky Way, it does not move in a plane like a planet, but rather follows a dolphin-like course, going up and down in a sine wave, like a dolphin.
Apollo the dolphin, the Greeks called it.
But anyway, as it goes up and down, it passes through the spiral arms of the Milky Way, in which the matter is much more dense than above or below.
And the period between the peak and valley of any wave is 30 million years.
And when you look at the geologic record, Graham Hancock says we have such a life-extinguishing event every 30 million years that is no doubt caused by the sun passing through the arms of the Milky Way.
I think this is what the fundamentalists call the rapture.
That whenever this happens, somebody mounts a rescue effort.
That seems to be exactly what it's about.
The thing is, though, that in the former hit, the time of the flood, whenever the bolide hits the sea, as in Deep Impact, the movie, whenever it hits the sea, there are these huge tidal waves.
And by the way, the destruction in the flood was not basically caused by the 40 days and 40 nights of rain, but by huge, pardon me, excuse me, by huge tidal waves that eventuated off Antarctica where the bolide hit and came up the Indian Ocean into the funnel of the Persian Gulf and poured out over into Central Asia.
Now, this is what happens when a bolite hits the sea.
If a bolite hits the land, however, huge quantities of Earth are thrown into outer space, scatter themselves around in a kind of corona around the Earth, fall back to Earth through the stratosphere, become highly heated, and cover the Earth with a rain of fire, which is totally destructive of everything on its surface.
Now, such a hit on land would be very hard to prevent the destruction, unless some kind of intervention from out there should occur just before that happened.
Well, I would say that people ask me what are the chances of this happening, and I say, well, I guess just about what the chances are of everything happening 50-50.
But the point is that the fact of the coincidence of three major predictors on one date, effectively, causes me to have pause to think that it very likely is going to happen.
Let's put it this way, I won't be a bit surprised, and as that date comes closer, I will expect to prepare myself.
Do you think, Father, that we will have warning of this?
And when I say that, I mean not just what you're saying right now, or Graham Hancock, or the third secret of Fatima, but warning in an astronomical sense that some astronomer will see this thing coming toward us.
Some of it, no doubt, comes from Zachariah Sitchin's reading of the Aramaic.
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Because when you were talking about Noah before, and you mentioned about the meteorite, in Genesis it speaks about the waters covering the highest peaks for several months.
If that were true, as a scholar and as an educated person, do you really believe that it would take several months for the water to recede from the highest peaks?
The thing is that the concept of Messiah, and when one looks into the concept of Messiah, one learns a great deal.
For instance, the book of Judges, that is so called in the Bible, should be called the book of Messiahs because that's what Messiahs do.
And what Messiahs do is liberate people.
And that's, of course, what Jesus says he's here to do.
It's about freedom.
And that's what Buddha said he was here to do, and that's what the judges in the Old Testament did.
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But in the New Testament, excuse me for interrupting, but before I lose the train of thought, I believe it's Corinthians or one of the New Testament books after the Gospels where Paul is saying that there was no other name beneath heaven given amongst men by which we must be saved save the name Christ Jesus.
I would like to ask your guest if possibly he might think that I've been doing a lot of, I'm 34, I've been doing a lot of reading and really interested in alien abductions since I was 17.
And I happen to know a woman that has been abducted.
Now, I would like to ask you, we know many accounts of women being abducted and testimony of falsely hybrid beings being created by these beings.
Now, could it possibly be that if this is going on, that these beings are trying to somehow preserve the human race in some form before this catastrophe might happen?
Maybe they have foresight that this is going to happen?
The thing is that if you read the Sumerian story of the creation of Adam and Eve, you will find that it is precisely a genetic experiment conducted by the gods in which human beings on the planet 300,000 years ago were used as the source of one half of it, the feminine half, the ovum, and the Anunnaki or the people from the other planet were used as the other half, the male half.
And that genetic experiments were the precise way in which human beings were bred up.
The bad news is that the human beings were bred up by the, quote, gods, unquote, to be slaves.
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All right, now I've got another question.
Have you ever heard of some tapes called the Day of the Nephilis?
I'm sorry?
There's some tapes out there by this one minister called the Day of the Nephilis.
They talk about beings having sex with human beings and creating giants.
That's the story of the descent of Azazel on Mount Hermon.
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Okay, now this tape that I heard in this minister that was talking was saying more or less that these beings were of Satan and that they couldn't procreate like we do, so they had to do it genetically.
The name of Satan in the New Testament that Jesus reuses was Beelzebub.
Now, that's a Babylonian word, and the meaning of that word is idol of the flies, or Lord of the flies.
That same name appears in Judaism as Hazazel, and that also appears in the book of Enoch.
And this Hazazel Beelzebub is the personage who is presented as Satan or the devil in Judeo-Christian literature.
And this is this very specific person and can be very clearly identified as to what happened.
And what happened, according to the Sumerian story, as presented by Sitchin, is that the descent of Hazazel on Mount Hermon was against orders from on high, as it were, and he came down here in order to engage in fun and games with the ladies.
And the result was that he produced offspring that were monsters and giants.
And that this was the cause of the reason why, or the reason why, the human beings were not rescued from the flood because the entire race had been corrupted by the interference of this Hazazel.
Now, it's very interesting that this Hazazel is precisely, in Judaism, Orthodox Judaism, is the demon of Yom Kippur.
Yom Kippur being the principal feast of Judaism in which communion with the Spirit of the Creator is the object.
And Hazazel is the one to whom all of the sins are sent by the priest on the head of the scapegoat.
And this Hazazel and the identification of the devil as Hazazel will clear things up for everybody massively if they can get with it.
Now the thing is that this Hazazel, it isn't that the Nephilim are all devils, but rather that Hazazel is a devil.
Father, it was a man from the Vatican named Father Balducci, that's the name, who went on Italian television earlier this year incredibly to discuss his views officially on UFOs.
And that would indicate to me that the Vatican seems to be preparing all of us for something, and the Vatican must know something that we don't know, and they're trying to get information out not directly, but somewhat indirectly.
I'm Mark Bell, and my guest is Father Charles L. Moore.
We'll get back to them in a moment, and your questions will...
All right.
Back now to Father Moore.
And Father Moore, I have a question for you.
With what we've already had from the Vatican, would you expect that between now and that fateful date, June 30th of 99, that there would be official statements from the Vatican?
All right, here's somebody who writes, a question for Father Moore.
Mr. Bell, if there is going to be an extinction event next June or July, June specifically, what reason would there be to not commit suicide before then to escape suffering beyond imagination?
Actually, you know, Father, I had told this story before, but I had a very interesting phone call once from a lady who said, if we knew we had six months to go and there was going to be an event in LE that would extinguish all life, do you think everybody would go out and run their credit cards up to the max?
And so this lady called MasterCard, or Visa, I forget which one of the big ones, and she asked that question.
And, you know, the first person said, hold on a moment, please.
And she actually got to somebody high in management, and they answered her question.
They said, well, we actually have considered this, and our attitude would be to allow everybody to continue to charge all they wanted based on the following assumptions.
One, if it hit, it wouldn't matter.
Everything would be academic, and nobody's going to be collecting anything anyway, so who cares?
But based on the possibility that it wouldn't hit and that Earth would survive, we'd be in great shape.
Father Moore, yes, I am so happy about this show because I need an answer and you, from what I heard you talking about earlier, can corroborate or give me the answer to this.
From the things I've read, I believe that when God created, made the creation, first he made, you know what the Sephirot are?
Okay, God created other universes, which are the Sefirot.
And those universes, and then He created this universe.
And I believe that from those other universes, those were the gods, let's say, or other or extraterrestrials, which were like, God was the architect and they were the workers.
And the thing is that the process of creation and what is meant by creation needs to be clarified to deal with that.
And what creation is, curiously, is represented by what the scientists call black hole theory.
But the idea of creation is that it is, and it's actually in the book of Enoch as well, and also in the book of the Gospel according to Thomas, which we've now discovered, in the mouth of Jesus.
And here's what he says, and this really needs some explanation, but here's what he says.
For spirit to become matter is a marvel.
But for matter to become spirit again is the marvel of marvels.
I would try to explain Genesis in terms of the Big Bang, rather.
The thing is, I know a lot of people don't like the Big Bang theory, but I rather like it.
And the reason I like it is because of what it deals with, and this is pretty abstract mathematics, the non-dimensional point.
And this is a Kabbalistic concept from the Kabbalah of the Jews in the Middle Ages.
It's called Kether.
And Kether is the manifestation point of the Sephirah that our friend the lady was just talking about.
And the idea of it is it's a non-dimensional point, and points are all non-dimensional, of course, in which the unmanifest reality manifests as reality.
Now, I say that again.
The non-dimensional point at which unmanifest reality manifests as reality the way we know it.
Now, this point is clearly demonstrated by black hole theory among scientists, which is the idea that a black hole, which is at the center of our galaxy, for instance, has a tremendous appetite, and it rather eats up the galaxy as it goes over hundreds of billions of years.
But the idea of it is that it is a place where mass is condensed to such a smallness as to make it almost impossible to imagine.
For instance, just as a general idea that if the Earth were in the black hole, it would be a microscopic planet.
Now, the thing is, but the idea, one would think that this black hole is dimensionally, by our dimensions, very large, but the opposite is true.
The black hole is infinitely small and having this massive appetite to consume those things which appear large.
And someone has also pointed out that a quasar seems to be the other side of a black hole.
That what it takes into its non-dimensionality and back, apparently, into, you know, pre-material being, it then spews out as a huge burst of light, something like a quasar.
And that creation, this would be a succession of creation and catastrophe, in which the one is the other side of the other.
And that this is what we call creation.
Now, I want to say something right there.
What we're dealing with here is a concept of the Word of God.
Now, we take the Word of God, oh, the Bible, the Bible, and only the Bible.
Well, in a sense, the Bible is the Word of God.
Well, maybe it's the Vedas instead.
Well, maybe in a sense, it's the Vedas.
But actually, the primary word of God is something that West Point calls celestial mechanics.
The primary word of God is the universe and the way it works, both inside of us and outside of us.
And it is upon this word of God that we must depend to interpret any other word of God that we receive.
And as we know, fundamentalist Christians would say that our only hope for escaping in what you described as their concept of the rapture is to accept Jesus Christ.
And personally, as an agnostic, if I was going to pick any religion, I certainly, and not to start a firestorm of controversy, wouldn't put my ships in the kingdom hall, for example.
It sounds like we're doomed.
I mean, I had a pretty much surreal, emotional Thanksgiving as it was, and this is kind of a cherry on top.
But when I say awaken our inner shaman, I'm saying something about our capacity to deal with our unconscious world.
All right?
And the thing is that, you know, you put it in terms of the unconscious world.
For instance, in dealing with this thing about the gods, there are two manners in which the gods seem to be ahead of us.
One of them is technology, and the other is telepathy.
Now, being ahead of us in telepathy is kind of a hundreds-monkey internet idea, which is that we are all communicating with each other on this unconscious telepathic level all the time.
And if we knew how to do that and bring it back and forth into our consciousness, we would be massively empowered.
I remember one question that stood out back about six years ago now, I guess.
We were discussing when you and I talked about the Kabbalah, and I remember you saying that you bring that up in your they were pretty much ecumenical services, aren't they?
I've located the verse in the book of Revelation which mentions the burning mountain.
It's Revelations 8, 8-9.
And the second angel sounded his trumpet, and as it were, a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea, and the third part of the sea became blood, and the third part of the creatures which were in the sea and had life died, and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
He goes on, it gets better.
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And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers and upon the fountains of waters.
Father Moore is my guest, Father Charles L. Moore.
He says the third secret of Fatima has been released.
He says, the third secret is that this coming June 30th, as Graham Hancock, he says also predicts, is going to be when a bullhead hits Earth, water or land.
It may be somewhat academic for all of us.
It doesn't really matter.
But that would be about it.
And the trumpet sounded.
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Father Moore, this is very interesting, and I'm glad somebody faxed me and reminded me.
The Vatican, not long ago, against all odds, against all environmental considerations that would have prevented anybody else or any organization or even university from going on top of Mount Graham in Arizona,
built, built a, muzzled their way on top of Mount Graham and built an observatory to look at something or for something in space.
First of all, what you need to do is to do a meditation on the nature of death.
And you will be surprised.
Now, here's a statement which I believe is far beneath and above what people usually say.
And I apologize in advance because it's a little shocking.
And that is that ecstasy is the only dependable motive of conduct of every sentient being.
That's the first statement.
Second statement is that the universe has been created by Creator in such a way that ecstasy is the only dependable motive of conduct of every sentient being.
Meditate on that.
And then realize that ecstasy is associated with that transformation of life that we call death.
And that that is true for every sentient being as well.
Meditate on that.
Because what we call our soul is more properly called our spirit.
And the first thing to understand is that Jesus didn't invent eternal life.
Eternal life is as much celestial mechanics as the bullied and the stars.
All we can do in our lives is improve or disimprove its quality.
The spiritual life is here as the Egyptian Book of the Dead indicates.
It is not the Egyptian Book of the Dead.
It is the book of the transformations of life.
That's its real title.
And the idea is that the shamanic knowledge, the ancient revelation, the truth of beginnings, is that we are all involved in a process of eternal life, be it on this planet or elsewhere.
And it's always been like that.
So, to prepare ourselves for whatever may come, be it all together with the bowlide, or one by one as is normal, or how to greet the day with a light heart and joy, whether it be for any of those things, and perhaps for all of them.
What we need to do is to meditate on what I just said.
But when I'm not afraid, it's the opposite feeling, which I think is what you just described, is the feeling of great love and connection to everything.
Primal fear and primal ecstasy balanced against one another in such a way that it is awesome and that the ecstasy is just slightly dominant, but the fear does not go away.
The only true church is the church of Humpty Dumpty.
Now, let me tell you what I mean by that.
The story of Humpty Dumpty sitting on the wall is, of course, the good news is he was once altogether on the wall.
The bad news is that he's fallen off and gone to the thousand pieces, and the politicians can't put him back together.
All right?
Now, what we need to do is to realize that in our hearts, we all have the power to time travel, as it were, back to that place where Humpty Dumpty was on the wall.
And that's the true church, and that's the origin, and this is what we all have in common.
And the good news is we have the power to do that.
And if the world is to be saved from its confusion, it will be because on the 100th monkey internet, we help each other do exactly that and quit fighting about what we differ about and understand how real that agreement truly is in the nature and the function of the universe.
Father, in the Celtic tradition, I know that, like in the movie Willow that Ron Howard did, there were the Tuatha Dadan, which means people of Danu, which I think.
They found out that the Library of Alexandria had a basement.
And the basement was not burned and was underwater.
And they're beginning to bring up all those books.
And these are the second copies, but we're beginning to find that the Library of Alexandria isn't totally gone after all.
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And the shamanic part that you're talking about with Christ in the book of Thomas from the Nag Hammadi scrolls, he does have that quoting there that I have sometime back, and I think you're bringing that back out again, where he says, Bring forth that which is within you, and what you bring forth will save you.
If you do not bring forth what is within you, then it will destroy you.
And it will turn you into a curdled mass of fear unless you do with it what it's supposed to do, which is to manifest it.
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Right.
In other words, when you understand things and you have certain knowing, you should share it and not just keep it to yourself or manipulate it in the wrong ways because it will, like, it'll burst you up good.
Father Moore, I want to just make this comment of my gratitude.
I left home as a young boy during the Depression, and later on in life, I had spiritual intrusions, and because I didn't want to get locked up, I went to the Indians and lived with them for several years, medicine people.
And you talk the shamanism life, which I lead, and you are just so right on, but I have never heard it explained in rational terms.
Interestingly, I've got a fax here from Richard Hoagland, who is up in Seattle, and I can't read it all.
Richard, you've got to work on your handwriting.
But he says, the object the good father is describing is in fact one of the, and I can't make it out, meteors, which we have discussed, the black ops people, then something about, are going to try to shift it out of the way if they choose to, as Tom Bearden and I have pointed out several weeks ago.
That's from Richard Hoogland, still in Seattle.
So I didn't quite get it all, but it's an obvious reference to what my guest father Charles Moore has been saying tonight.
Well, I'll tell you, when you sit in the seat I'm sitting in on any given night, you never, ever know what you're going to walk into.
Well, all right, in a moment, it's back to Father Charles L. Moore.
I have two books that I have written, folks.
And actually, these books, I think, will give you some insight, perhaps even to my recent absence.
Certainly the first book, The Art of Talk.
It is about my life.
It's a hardcover book.
It covers a lot of behind-the-scenes talk radio.
It was a very frank, very blunt, very coarse, very accurate description of my life.
It's all laid out.
It's updated from the original version, very much updated.
Has 60 photographs.
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And that's the truth.
The other book I wrote is called The Quickening.
And when I reread my own book, I quake a little bit at it.
It involves a lot of events that are going on right now.
And actually, you know, it actually relates to what we're discussing with Father Moore tonight.
The course of human events right now in every area, political, environmental, social, every aspect of human endeavor appears to be quickening.
And I am not a prophet, nor am I a priest, but I know, and I have known for some time.
I wrote this a couple of years ago, now more than that.
And I know something is coming.
Deep within me, within every fiber of me, I know it's coming, and I document how I know that in this book, which was on the New York Times bestseller list for a long time and is still selling like crazy.
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And we're certainly not going to make it to Christmas.
I have a question regarding the natural world, the supernatural world, and the prenatural world, and how that relates to the transfiguration of Jesus Christ as said, as written in the second book of Peter in the Gospel.
The apostles are supernatural, as I am, being part physical and part spiritual.
Jesus is part physical and part divinity.
Where, and his angels are prenatural?
As in the angels, Christ's angels, as they were created as pure spiritual beings, are they prenatural?
Is that prenatural?
Is there a difference between prenatural and divinity as Jesus Christ is divinity?
I'm a remembering Catholic.
I'm remembering myself into the Catholic faith.
And these are some questions that I would like to ask you.
Well, those are very good questions, and I've thought about them a great deal.
And the way I like to approach that is to say it's a problem of the meaning of the word supernatural.
We get a lot of that in the Catholic Church, supernatural.
And supernatural is taken to be outside of the order of nature, right?
Beyond the order of nature.
Well, that's a word which was conceived in a two-dimensional world.
Now that we see how many dimensions there may be in the universe, the entire thing becomes a matter of dimensionality.
That's one way to approach it.
And that whereas it might be said that we have some awareness and ability to act within three of the most four dimensions, the divinity from which we come has a capacity to operate in any number of dimensions we can't imagine.
And that, of course, is supremely, I wouldn't call that supernatural.
I would call that supremely natural.
And that is exactly how I view the Creator.
The Creator is supremely natural and therefore the order and the operator and the author of nature.
And that as far as Jesus is concerned, however, the Church of Jerusalem, which is the original church that followed Jesus, by the way, it is not the one that followed Peter.
It is the one that followed James, his brother.
They are called the Ebionites.
And these people did not regard Jesus in any way except as the Jewish Messiah.
And as such, he is no more God than you are.
And as a matter of fact, he said as much to the Pharisees.
They were going to stone him for claiming he was God.
And he looked back at them and said, oh, does that surprise you?
Haven't you read in your own scripture that you are all gods?
And left it at that.
In other words, he's more God than you are.
The only difference between him and you is he's a great deal more aware of what that means.
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Yeah, don't you know that you are all gods?
Would that relate when we talk of the saints and their being close to Jesus and his mother Mary and to God the Father and God the Holy Spirit, are they not close to being divinized as was promised to us all?
If we can break away from the natural, the grip that the natural world has on us and become spiritual and direct our lives towards our spirituality?
They're going to shut down the Hubble for two years of maintenance.
I thought, though, the more interesting consideration was the hurried red tape slashing observatory that the Vatican got up on Mount Graham in Arizona.
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Now, the second and possibly more intriguing observation I have is, say, we do have a mass extinction event in June, or as Nostrada said, in July.
Where does that leave the Antichrist?
I mean, it would seem to me that world destruction, that would leave the Antichrist with his finger in an uncomfortable place.
He's been promised world domination, the years of control and everything, and suddenly they're not following the demonic script.
Well, here we have the problem of scriptural predictions, which is a very serious problem because it raises the entire question of just who was this fellow talking to.
Now, that is the people who had the revelation.
Now, there's a very important thing behind that, and I think I need to address that with you.
This is called dream vision.
Dream vision, now here's a statement for you.
Dream vision is the normative mode by which human beings experience communication with their Creator.
Father, I'm a former Catholic who embraced Islam, and I'm also an amateur astronomer.
Can you tell me, Father, I agree with you on Paul.
I actually believe that Paul was an enemy of Christ, Paul being a Greek, and I believe that he is the one who deified Christ to the point where they made him the Son of God.
I believe that Jesus was a mighty prophet and messenger of God, or a shaman, as you say.
Father, can you give me an opinion or your opinion?
How would Prophet Muhammad, who lived 600 years after Jesus Christ, how would Prophet Muhammad and the scripture that was revealed to him, the Holy Quran, how would this come into play in the spiritual sense?
And can we reach that spiritual achievement through the Islamic faith?
Well, first of all, thank you very much for asking that question.
I really like that question.
That's one of my favorite things.
I call it not Christianity, but Judeo-Islamo-Christianity, okay?
I have a little, a thing was given to me here, a sort of a staff.
And on it was a little note.
It said, to Father Charlie, the first patriarch of Judeo-Islamo-Christianity.
Well, I'll include Buddhism and all the rest of them for that matter, but let's take it with that tradition, because that is a definite tradition altogether.
The Quran is a beautiful book.
The Quran is a highly spiritual book, and that I will say, and that Islam is at least as valid in every respect as a pathway to revelation as any other religion, including Christianity.
In fact, I believe that Islam is closer to the original teachings of Jesus than the Catholic Church is.
Father, I should ask you now, while I have a moment, all my guests, all guests I have on, as I approach this hour, I try to ask them whether they're growing tired and wish to go to bed or I have one more hour of radio program, and you're welcome to it if you wish it.
Listen, we don't have a lot of time, so if you have any questions.
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Okay, well, my question is, Father, can you find religion in what you do for a living?
I mean, you know, like what you do for a living, the reason why I'm asking this is because I kind of have a unique job, and what I do is, well, sometimes I think it's kind of bad.
Well, we've got one final hour to go, and I wouldn't resist for all the tea in China bringing back our friend, a DJ at a topless place, looking for religion at work.
My question for Father Moore is, is he familiar with the case of Father Mario Mazzolini, the Roman Catholic priest from Italy, who traveled to India over a period of, I'd say, 12 or 14 years and had an experience of Christ in the person of Sri Satya Saibaba from the small village in South India known as Puttaparti.
Would you have, just listening to your response to the listener previously about lust is envy, it seemed to me to be a rather interesting position that the church would excommunicate a man for spreading what he believed to be just a compassionate experience with a wider audience through his books.
And I understand he has a radio program in Italy, although I haven't heard it.
I would tell them that the fact is, as you know perfectly well from the theology I learned in the seminary as a lawyer, you can throw me out, but I won't quit.
Wildcard line, you're on the air with Father Charles L. Moorheim.
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Good evening, guys.
Father, last night I happened to get through, and I was talking about my opinion of religion and why I didn't attend church.
I'm sure there's a church out there where I could feel comfortable, but my basic point was that the church anti-state tries to dictate the terms in how you should structure your religious beliefs.
And that's why I left, and I was going with the philosophy on what's in my heart.
And an hour ago, you said, like the Indians say, always stick to your religion that you came in the womb out of.
Now, Joseph Campbell, have you ever seen any of his tapes?
He basically sums it all up as, you know, from the New Guinean ritual to Star Wars to a Woody Allen monologue, Greek mythology, we're all one in the sense of duality.
Now, that sustains my philosophy and how I believed before I even heard of his tapes, and then you're saying basically the same thing.
So, you know, though we have most societies saying, well, this is the New Age thing, and this is the hidden stuff you should stay away from.
This is how they try to suck you in, blah, blah, blah.
Why does the church in a state seem so defensive and ridiculing?
The church is the product of the Holy Roman Empire whose purpose was to exploit the world.
And interpreting Jesus as a teacher of exploitation is an oxymoron.
Jesus is a bringer of freedom, not of slavery.
He's not about exploitation, but about compassion.
And as I restate the last, the middle four commandments, God speaks, as it were, and says, if you want to put it in commandment terms, which I don't like either, but nonetheless, as for thy neighbor, thou shalt have compassion with him, and thou shalt not exploit him.
But how long do you think, in your opinion, will the public really know the truth of extraterrestrial biological entities and their existence and or their direct influence in the political world?
In this book that I've mentioned, Heaven and Earth, by Zacharias, and the article that I write talks directly about that in terms of the movie Encounters of the Third Kind.
Encounters of the Third Kind was based upon the French Department of UFOs.
Now, most Americans don't know that they have a cabinet-level department in France devoted to UFOs.
And I read an article in L'Expless in the French many years ago in which the head of the department had published an article about the results of getting together in that department in France millions of sightings all over the world.
I guess they're still doing it.
And then coming up by computer matching with some kind of commonality between these sightings.
And he said, after all of that, we have an opinion, we have two opinions, or a combination of them, which are the only possibilities logically that we find can remain.
Either we are being visited by people from another system whose concern for our welfare passes our understanding, or else there is an outbreak of what Carl Jung called the human unconscious, unparalleled in the history of the race.
In either case, or in a combination of them, it is the most significant event of the 20th century.
I've got a rather interesting fact here from somebody named Ray.
I can vouch for the fact that Father Moore is indeed a Catholic priest, but I'll bet he never told you he was the district attorney in Santa Cruz, California in the early 50s.
And I've been a bit of a spiritual warrior for my entire life, ever since early childhood, through the power of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
I've tried to be a thorn in Satan's side, so to speak.
And I'd kind of like to throw another wrench in his plans tonight that I've understood from inside sources that in June of 1999, there is possibly going to be a great social upheaval instigated by true Satanists.
When you say you've heard this from inside sources, what do you mean?
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Well, a friend of mine who knows certain people have said that acting like Patsy on the radio that you spoke to earlier had an interview with one time, said that the true Satanists are in hiding at this point because they're planning getting guns together and getting food supplies, and they're basically going to try to attempt a final sort of battle, I guess, against goodness and righteousness.
And my friend is actually into, he believes in Jesus, you know, as the Christ.
However, he still studies Wiccan.
And he has, I guess, certain knowledge of people that have actually hidden out and are planning really to try to cause great chaos coming up in June.
I was wondering if anybody, if the good doctor had heard anything about that, or if, you know, maybe just a word of warning to everybody to be a little bit prepared.
He wrote it as fiction intentionally because to write it any other way probably would have resulted in some sort of very serious danger for him, and he as much as said that.
And that there was a hookup somehow between the Vatican, not the Vatican authorities, but a Vatican chapel and a South Carolina chapel.
And that in South Carolina, and I will not name the Cardinal, but a Catholic Cardinal presided at a ceremony in which the Catholic Church was dedicated to the devil.
And he proclaims this event as the very center of his book, Windslept House.
Now, I am shocked, of course, to read that by him, but I would be the last person in the world to deny it might be possible.
The thing is, this raises the question of the satanic influence, which comes up all the time.
And first of all, I would tell you that I'll repeat what I said earlier.
The thing is that Satan, or Beelzebub, or Hazazel, or by whatever name you wish to call this being, is clearly a Sumerian God, having the powers of suggestion and the powers of telepathic communication, which can cause great havoc.
And that this personage is given in the book of Enoch credit for the reason why the gods did not rescue human beings, because he had messed us up so badly.
And the idea is, of course, that this is also survived the flood and is still giving us problems.
And if we want to deal with the fact that the gods may still be with us, I asked Zachariah that, when are the gods coming back, Zachariah?
And he said, what makes you think they ever left?
And the good news is that the gods are just like us.
And the bad news is the gods are just like us.
And if we can be angelic, we can be diabolical.
And if the gods can be angelic, they can be diabolical.
And believe me, they are.
And so consequently, the likelihood of such an event is extremely high.
The interesting thing here is that the date, July 6th, right?
July 6th is the date that Nostradamus gives for the bolide.
June 30th is the one that Graham Hancock gives, Anthony.
But the date of the bolide is given by him as July 6th.
And I suspect that all of this has something to do with that prediction by Nostradamus.
In other words, that such an outbreak is likely at that time because of the fact that that is the day of a predicted catastrophe, which would make the whole thing irrelevant otherwise.
Let me get a couple of things on the air here at a break point.
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Her hands are never cold.
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This is Coast to Coast again from the Kingdom of Nigh with Art Bell.
And I wanted to just relate that I was able to spend some time a few years back with a Hopi elder named White Bear.
If you're familiar with a seminal book called The Book of the Hopi, then you might know a little something about White Bear.
I don't know that he's a shaman, however, but he told me a lot of things about the Hopi prophecies, and I believe he was speaking in terms of feeling that we were in the last ten minutes of what I think they called the fourth world or the fifth world.
If you read or listen to Hopi Prophecy and you listen to what Father Morris said tonight, there are parallels all the way down the line.
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Yeah, and White Bear was speaking at the Philosophical Research Society here in Los Angeles one day, and I got to ask him a question, and I asked him, did he think that negative extraterrestrials were controlling the U.S. government?
And most of the people laughed when I asked that question.
But they got quiet when he said, he kind of laughed and he said, I remember his words exactly.
He said, well, of course they are.
Why do you think we're in the trouble we're in right now?
I don't know if he was speaking of extraterrestrials in a third-dimensional sense or whether maybe he was referring to multi-dimensional entities that he believes would possibly be influencing certain decisions of our leaders, but I wanted to kind of throw that over to Father Moore and see what he had to say about that.
The idea, and I brought this up before, that when human beings went through those genetic experiments in East Africa 300,000 years ago and were produced to be workers, they were also produced to be slaves.
And that the control factor in the gods is keeping us in a slavery mode.
And that the Messiahs, when they come, always come to liberate us from that mode.
Now, the other part of that story is that whenever a Messiah comes, a system of freedom obtaining is set up by the Messiah.
This is how to be free.
Do thus, this, and the other thing.
But what happens is that the other guys, the slave masters, always come in and take over the system.
And therefore, every Messiah system that's ever been set up has been converted eventually into a mode of slavery.
And if that is not still going on, I'd be surprised.
To the first part, I guess that's kind of difficult to answer exactly.
What I do do is I use many of the formulas of the Tridentine Mass, sometimes in Latin.
But the Communion service, it's what I call the Communion service.
And I don't call it the Mass, but the Eucharist.
I have a very definite reason for that.
But the essential notion of the consecration of the Body and Blood of Christ is at the very center of what I do.
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Okay, that's always been a very center point of what I believe in.
And it seems today that the traditional Mass, and I used to attend Father Alfred Kunz's Masses in Damien Johnson.
He was recently murdered in the last six months, and it has not been solved yet.
And he was very strong on the theology and the belief in the traditional Catholic Mass, and that today's Mass is very corrupting and is actually not what Christ had endeared for us to believe in.
And that's why I wanted to know what Father believed in as far as which version of the Mass he said.
What I do, I said, is to go to the root of the matter to find out exactly what's happening in the consecration of the Mass.
And what exactly do we mean by the Body and Blood of Christ?
Now, this is very difficult because the concept of the Mass that we generally get in Catechism is very Pauline and very affected by what I call idolatrous notions.
Now, the point is that we go back to the idea that everything is made of spirit and that somehow what we're doing here in communion, most people think communion is with Christ.
And of course it is.
But the communion we're after is with the Father.
It is the communion with God, the Creator, which we are really after.
And this is what Christ facilitates for us by the consecration of the Mass.
Okay?
Jesus is there.
But Jesus is there to help you communicate between your Spirit and the Spirit of your Creator.
And that's the celebration of the Mass that I use.
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Okay, and that's very close to what I was taught.
And I was taught at Father Clemson's school.
And he was very strict.
And what he taught is that every person is made in the image and the likeness of God.
And based on how we live our lives, we are a reflection of God.
And we should be able to see God in each one of ourselves based on how we live our lives and how we treat one another.
Okay, well, then it's almost futile for me to call, but I do have one other question.
What would be, one of the previous callers mentioned that, and you made a comment, that you think there's a possibility that this slavery sort of mentality is still going on, and if that is the case, what is the bottom line here?
Why would This be continued?
Is there some sort of a commerce that's going on that we don't understand, or what would the reason be?
Well, the answer to that is the reason why the gods made us.
Now, you see, the gods didn't make us, but the gods bred us up.
They interfered in the process.
And the trouble was that the natural, according to the situation, is that the native population of the earth was simply involved with freedom, and they made bad slaves.
They weren't obedient.
And in order to make them obedient, the story goes, the gods had to breed them up with themselves in order to produce an obedient race they could use.
Now, the idea of that, of course, is that the whole history of human race as we know it is a quest for that freedom which we lost by this interference that was done to us.
Now, this covers a great many things.
But this freedom that we seek in our hearts, this is what our religions are supposed to do, is to help in doing that.
And therefore, the issue of freedom in slavery is a universal problem for the entire race, and that we have not solved it.
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I feel that we all feel this on a certain level.
I am so frustrated, especially in modern times, with our not only knowledge of science and psychology and so many different areas of academicia, why we cannot just more or less recognize the truth that we have this wonderful potential and why don't we just get on with it?
Yeah, overhaul the system and get on with it.
Because we could have an oasis, this wonderful world and this beautiful jewel we live on.