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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Biblical History - Father Charles Moore

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		The most egregious horrendous unbelievable occurrence in football that I have seen in many years occurred The game came to a tie at the end and the referee, as is usually the case, came out with a coin and flipped it into the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Steeler's guy claims he called Tails.
unidentified		The referee thought he heard the guy say heads, Tails, and he said heads.
unidentified		And it came up Tails.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so Detroit got the ball and won the game.
		Generally, the first person to get the ball after the overtime begins wins the game.
		I think Rick here from La Quintaquinta, I guess, pronounced.
		Sums it up well, dear Art.
		I agree with the potential dangers associated with mass prayer.
		However, sometimes the need outweighs the risks.
		Could you make one exception this time?
		Could we possibly all pray for an immediate reinstatement of instant replay?
		No kidding.
		I mean, there were some really horrible calls in that game.
		Just terrible, wrong, game-changing calls.
		They must bring back instant replay.
		They must bring it back.
		That's all there is to it.
		Whether it does your team a service or not, I think that we live in a modern day and age where we have the ability quickly to look and see what really happened.
		And it's getting a little embarrassing out there for a referee to make a game changing bad decision that stands because they won't accept the video instant replay.
unidentified		It's ridiculous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's annoying.
		It's impossible.
		It must change.
		Do you care what the president ate for Thanksgiving dinner?
		No, me either.
		It says here, though.
		Japan Finance Minister may resign.
		That would be about the 43rd.
		Last two months.
unidentified		OPEC fails to reach deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's been going on for a while.
		Price of oil is at a 12-year low.
		Interesting.
		European AIDS deaths are down, not just down, but they have fallen 84% since 1995.
		They are obviously beginning to get a handle on all of this.
		A very sad note, if true, and I hope it is not true.
		I pray it is not true.
		But it may be.
		Apparently, the Drudge Report and Associated Press, according to what I've got here, say that Elizabeth Claire Prophet has announced she has Alzheimer's.
		And when I interviewed her, she did not sound quite right.
		And I'm so very sorry if that is true.
		So, initial reports that I'm getting indicate Elizabeth Clare Prophet has Alzheimer's disease.
		Well, up there near the Reading Ripple, you're getting a bunch of earthquakes.
		They're, in fact, swarming.
		Swarming earthquakes near Redding, California.
		Twelve of them in the last 24 hours.
		Strongest a 5.1.
		That's a pretty good size.
		That occurred at 11.40 p.m.
		Wednesday evening.
		We are going to be talking in the next hour with Father Charles L. Moore.
		And I got Father Moore's name and number from none other than Zachariah Sitchin.
		And Zachariah said that Father Moore has been following what Zachariah Sitchin has been laying out all of these years and has comments on it.
		And it seemed to me impossible.
		Just impossible.
		How could a Catholic priest believe that the Anunnaki from the 12th planet are our gods with a small G, that they tampered with us genetically, causing us to be what we are today?
		I mean, this does drift a little bit away from the traditional Catholic point of view.
		But we'll find out.
		It'll be interesting.
		I suppose around the rest of the dial, it's all repeat City, we're here live tonight.
		We'll be here tomorrow night, too.
		I thought this was kind of cute.
		It's called a bottle of wine from Janet in Freeburg, Illinois.
		Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson went on a camping trip.
		After a good meal and a bottle of wine, they lay down for the night, went to sleep.
		Some hours later, Holmes awoke and nudged his faithful friend.
		Watson, look up at the sky and tell me what you see.
		Watson replied, I see millions and millions of stars.
unidentified		What does that tell you, said Holmes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Watson pondered for a moment.
		Hmm.
		Astronomically, it tells me there are millions of galaxies and potentially billions of planets.
		Astrologically, I observe that Saturn is in Leo.
		Horologically, I deduce that time is approximately a quarter past three.
		Theologically, I can see that God is all-powerful and that we are but small and insignificant.
		From a meteorological point of view, I suspect we have a beautiful day tomorrow.
		What does it tell you, Holmes?
		Holmes was silent for nearly a full moment, and then spoke, Watson, you idiot, some bastard stole our tent.
		I don't know why that one hit me, but it did.
		Global warming may have triggered the unprecedented melting of sea ice in the Arctic, which has left the remaining ice up to a third get this third thinner than it was 20 years ago.
		This comes from Fox News Direct.
		Scientists studying sonar readings from British submarines fear the thaw could lead to huge disruptions of the world's ocean circulations, including the Gulf Stream, which keeps Britain and Western Europe relatively warm.
		A failure or a deflection of the Gulf Stream, which keeps Britain's ports free of ice and ensures that winter temperatures generally are warmer than at similar latitudes in Canada and the former Soviet Union, would have a devastating, indeed, effect on the climate and the economy there.
		So you see, when people tell you that, you know, the ice breaking off in the Antarctic, so what?
		Melting so what?
		Think about it.
		At the same latitude, suddenly Britain and Western Europe, which are kept relatively warm, would no longer be warm and would freeze, and that would change the economics of things just a bit, wouldn't it?
		So I thought you'd want to hear that.
		And everybody wants to say, well, it just does not make any difference.
		You know what?
		It really doesn't.
		I know.
		It sounds scary, the ice falling into the water, the ice melting, but big deal.
		Well, sorry to tell you, folks, but it is indeed a big deal if it's going to begin to change the economy of nations.
		In fact, continents.
		Think about it.
unidentified		Think about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, tomorrow night, we are going to do nothing but tell ghost stories.
		Assuming war doesn't break out, there's not an alien landing nor an impending one, or anything of that magnitude, we will tell ghost stories.
		And by the way, somebody sent me another really cool ghost photograph.
		This one is from 1906.
		Didn't have a lot of computers back then to manipulate images.
		And I've sent it to Keith, and he's going to get it up there.
		So tomorrow night, ghost stories.
		Good ones, too.
		Real ones.
		You want to know about the afterlife?
		One avenue of obvious investigation is that which we know as ghosts or spirits.
		That accounts for my following it so closely.
		Now, we didn't get a full opportunity to do it on Halloween, but ghosts are good anytime, and so I've decided tomorrow night we're going to do that.
		Now, for the next hour, I am going to leave the studio cam image that I snapped at about, let me see, about 11.37 this morning.
		Was a beautiful day here, and Ramona was out there.
		Now the barbecue is in the shadows, and so you can't see it, but she was barbecuing brats so that we could have them during the games.
unidentified		I still can't believe that game.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, I took a photograph.
		It tells you what kind of day we had.
		If you want to take a look at the studio cam, you will see what kind of day we had here.
		Beautiful.
		So I'll leave that up there for about an hour, and then I'll start the in-studio cam going.
		In the meantime, to the international line, you are on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Or actually, happy Thanksgiving for you guys still.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And yeah, a couple of things I wanted to talk about.
unidentified		First of all, I'm glad to see you're back on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Where are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Presently.
unidentified		I'm in Winnipeg.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Winnipeg, Manitoba.
unidentified		And my name is Darren.
		And a couple of things I wanted to talk about.
		First of all, the weather, and I also wanted to talk a little bit about Y2K.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		First, I'll talk Y2K.
		I did a little bit of a Y2K test over here on my VCRs.
		No problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lucky.
		Well, I had several sad emails from people.
		You know, I read the email from the guy whose VCR locked up.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It wouldn't eject.
		It wouldn't do anything.
		And then several other people thought they'd do like you did, and they tried it, and theirs locked up.
unidentified		Mine's okay.
		Mine are okay.
		I had one that I bought in 1991, and that's an old one.
		And hey, it works like a charm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good for you.
unidentified		And the weather, this Winnipeg weather here, we're getting, like last Sunday, we were in the 50s, like low 50s, around 50 degrees.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And that is unusual for late November going into December.
		And we're getting up to about 48 tomorrow.
		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What should it be in Fahrenheit now?
unidentified		See, plus 8 is 48.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, what I'm saying is, what would be normal for this time?
unidentified		What would be normal, say, in the mid-20s or something?
unidentified		Low 20s, mid-20s, in Fahrenheit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Weather is changing.
unidentified		At low 30s.
		Yep.
		So that's our wacky weather here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it'll probably work out that it'll get cold as hell down here or something, and it'll get warm up there, and you'll grow all the food, and we'll have to buy some.
unidentified		But the thing to worry about is how long is it going to last so nice up here?
		And also, at least it'll make the bad weather last for less time, we would hope.
		And it's also pretty strange to look outside and see hardly any snow at all or none in a lot of cases.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I think, thank you.
		There can be no argument about it.
		The weather is definitely, profoundly changing.
		It may be only a short-term phenomenon, though I suspect it's more than that.
		But that it is changing, I think there is no longer any argument.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		It's Joe from Boston.
		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine, Joe.
unidentified		I'm not too good, but I spoke with, I met Daniel Brinkley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, kidding.
unidentified		He was up here with me in Boston.
		He took my phone number down.
		I hope he keeps his word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, he's quite a guy.
unidentified		Yep.
		We talked about you.
		And this Y2K thing, I don't know whether you got my last fact.
		That was after you went off the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did, Joe, yes.
unidentified		Okay, did you reconsider it?
unidentified		Because I thought one night we could do a plight night, maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not going to do that, Joe, because unfortunately, without an investigator out there investigating whether it's real plight.
unidentified		Well, I would never lie.
unidentified		I have no reason to lie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course not, Joe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But there are others who might.
unidentified		Well, because what are people like me going to do when I don't have much to get ready?
		I mean, you could do it on the side if you wanted to.
		But he said he'd talk with you about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, I'm sure we will talk of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, I'm going to have Gary North on next week.
unidentified		But people like me don't have even the funds to get some of this stuff.
		I only have a little water and a Beijing radio.
		I'm just saying you could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're actually in better shape than a lot of people who have a good income.
unidentified		No, I'm not better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you are, because they've got their head in the sand.
unidentified		Yeah, but all I have is two bottles of water, and that's not going to last me for anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't have much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When I tell you it's two bottles more than most people have, I'm telling you the truth.
unidentified		What am I going to do about food?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, Joe.
unidentified		And power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And power?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are we all going to do without food and power?
unidentified		You have a generator.
unidentified		We don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's only good so long.
unidentified		Six months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe.
unidentified		Come on, that's better than us.
		So that's why I mentioned about energy.
		Can you at least ask the listeners to send energy my way like you did with the weather?
		And good things, wish good things for Joe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I will do that, Joe.
		I wish you good things, but I'm not going to do a mass experiment right now.
		Sorry.
		My mass experiments are on hiatus while I consider it.
		I'm thinking about it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing this evening?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very well, thank you.
unidentified		And happy birthday to you.
		Mm-hmm.
		Got a question for you.
		Mm-hmm.
		I missed the show with the doctor who found the alien.
		Are you going to repeat it, and if so, when?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we did repeat it, and it was this last Sunday night, Monday morning.
unidentified		Oh, no, I missed it.
unidentified		I work graveyards, and sometimes I have access to the radio, and sometimes I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what to tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One day in the future, perhaps, but we just repeated it.
unidentified		Palmer, well, I wanted to tell you, I'm curious as hell as to what took you off the air, but if it means danger to your family, I'd just as soon not know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There will come a time.
unidentified		Well, good luck to you and yours, and I hope you have happy holidays.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and I wish you the very same.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There will come a time that I'll be able to talk about that, obviously, and when that time is here, I will.
unidentified		Period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll have a lot to say, as a matter of fact.
		There already has been some information that has broken in some publications, and it's getting closer all the time, but when it'll finally, I suppose, break, but I shall not be the one to do it.
		When it does, however, I'll have a lot to say, as I keep saying.
		Until then, I'm going to keep my own counsel.
		Anyway, coming up on the bottom of the hour, don't forget at the top of the hour, Dr. Father.
		Dr. Father.
		Dr. Charles L. Moore, Father Moore, actually.
		And we'll talk about the Anunnaki.
		We'll talk about the 12th planet.
		We'll talk about Zachariah Sitchin.
		It should be a different kind of conversation.
unidentified		Words of love, so soft and tender, won't Winnebill's heart anymore.
		If you love her, then you must send her somewhere where she's never been before.
		Worn-out phrases and lying gazes won't get you where you want to go.
		Words of love, soft and tender, won't Winnebill's heart anymore.
		From the Kingdom of Nine, this is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Belt.
		From East of the Rockies, call ART at 1-800-825-5033.
		West of the Rockies, including Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico, at 1-800-618-8255.
		First-time callers may reach ART at Area Code 702-727-1222.
		And you may fax ART at Area Code 702-727-8499.
		Please limit your faxes to one or two pages.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		Now again, here's ART.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		I'm still not over what happened in that football game.
		I mean, here we are in overtime, a hard-fought Thanksgiving game, the Steelers in Detroit, right?
		The referee comes out, flips the coin in the air, Steelers call it in the air, they say tails.
		I mean, you can clearly hear that on the tape.
		They say, Tails, and the referee says, heads, and it comes up, tails, and they don't get to receive, and they lose the game.
		Incredible.
		It's one of the most incredible things I've ever seen happen in the NFL.
		Absolutely astounding.
		Besides that, besides all of that, I had a bet on it.
		The End Now, to my international line, you are on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Yes, I'm calling from Dead Center in the North American continent, Arnie, at Woodside, Manitoba, which is fairly close to Winnipeg.
		1290 is my home radio station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And three things, if I may.
		First of all, I've received my CC Crane radio just this afternoon with great excitement.
		All right.
		And I haven't exhausted everything on the dial.
		I want to stay tuned to your program in the meantime, but I'm very, very impressed so far.
		And I actually picked up 1110.
		I believe it's KFAB Omaha Council Bus in Nebraska.
		This is thousands of miles away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know.
		There is no other radio like it, period.
		You're lucky because, you know what, they're selling out.
		And we've got to wait for the next batch to come that are produced, unfortunately.
		And they're being grabbed up so quickly now that the word has spread like wildfire about the radio and they're going.
unidentified		I was thankful.
		I received mine in one week, which is fast from California to Canada.
		It has to come through customs and a few things.
		And I'm very happy with the service.
		Here in Canada, one reason I called you had another major Y2K announcement.
		As you know, maybe a month ago, the Canadian military had announced nationally that all the troops would be on standby in case we needed them on that December 31st.
		Our National Police Force, the RCMP, have all been notified to there's nobody getting any days off from December 31st up till possibly March of year 2000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you ready?
		Are you ready?
		Let's say that Y2K brings with it half of what we think it might.
		Power goes out, water stops because they can't pump.
		Are you ready?
unidentified		I personally am.
		I'm retired from business and live in a cabin in the country.
		I've got my wood stove and I'm able to rough it and good well water and things like that.
		Yes, I'm ready partially.
		And I've tested all my VCRs and that works properly.
		They go to 0-0, but they still work.
		But today, the major announcement today on our national television station was that the Canadian insurance companies have announced that they're not going to cover Y2K claims.
		Exactly.
		They're going to put exclusion clauses in all of their insurance claims.
		So that's a major announcement.
		I don't know they're going quite public with it here in Canada and preparing us for, I guess, what's coming up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, my friend.
		I read it.
		I actually read one of the notifications.
		I didn't read it on the air.
		I should have, I suppose.
		But you're absolutely right.
		They are not going to cover anything Y2K related, and they're telling everybody that right now.
unidentified		Right.
		So that's an anticipation that we're expecting something major to happen.
		I have a, if I may, a ghost story in advance of tomorrow night, I won't be able to call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, no, no, no.
unidentified		No, no, it's not a personal one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, hold it for tomorrow night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can call.
unidentified		Okay, I'll call tomorrow then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The international line is not so hard to get through on.
		Thank you.
		Tomorrow night, nothing but ghost stories.
		Now I warn you, and I really mean this, listening to a full night of real ghost stories is scary as hell.
		You know why?
		Because they're very common.
		Very common.
		Too common.
		And as you listen, you begin to realize that about halfway through, you'll begin to get a chill going down your spine that won't leave for a long, long time.
		First time caller line, you're on air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's me.
unidentified		My name is Phil.
unidentified		I live in New Jersey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Phil.
unidentified		I love listening to you on WABC, New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		77 WABC.
		How's Curtis doing?
		Is he calming down?
unidentified		He's calming down, but I don't think he will ever be calmed down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		You know how he is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
		You know, he was sending me, I was getting all these faxes saying he's coming out to see me with his band of angels.
		And I was wondering why he thought he needed all his little angels with him.
unidentified		Probably moral support, because I think that's about all he is.
unidentified		I don't say anything more than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I won't either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a line that would go well there, but I won't use it.
unidentified		Well, the reason I'm calling you is we were listening to someone, a man the other night, who's a submariner, or was a submariner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Remember that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that the way they say it on the East Coast?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A submariner, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
		And, well, anyway, it triggered, something he said triggered something that happened to me.
		I'm a retired Air Force officer.
		And it happened to me about 30 years ago.
		I was flying out of the West Coast out of Travis.
		I was a navigator.
		And I was just deadheading to get some extra time, getting some time and how to go somewhere.
		So I flew as an additional crew member.
		It was the C-124.
		I don't know if you're familiar with the Globemasters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I never flew one of those.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I deadheaded a lot on C-130s.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, anyway, they had a big crew compartment up forward, and I was sort of relaxing there, and the line navigator, the guy who was for that mission, having some problem with the radar.
		So he came back and asked me, I was captain, and I had more experience, and maybe I've flown this route and knew something.
		I said, what's the problem?
		Well, he's getting some return out there.
		He thinks it's a shoal out there.
		It could be a shoal out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A shoal.
unidentified		Hey, not between, once you leave the west coast and get to Hawaii, you're getting close.
		There's nothing out here.
		He thought maybe it's a shoal that wasn't on the charts and that low tide would come up and he'd take off return.
		I said, hey, no how.
		And so let me take a look at it.
		So it was just about 200 miles out.
		The range on our scope in the 124 was about 220 miles, 230 miles, something like that.
		It was just on the edge of the scope.
		So I said, it may be just, I said, first of all, I said, well, let's see.
		It could be a thunderstorm out there.
		Just change the tilt on the antenna.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could be a rogue wave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could have been a lot of things.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, hmm.
		It stayed out there.
		A little fuzzier, but it was definitely out there.
		So I said, well, maybe a defect in the scope.
		Bring the range of the scope into about 50 miles.
		And if it's a real return, it will disappear.
		If it's a defect in the scope, it will stay in the same position on the scope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's logical, yes.
unidentified		So it brought the range.
		He says, no, he already did that.
		I said, what?
		It brought the range in.
		Hmm.
		There was something out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, something big.
unidentified		Something getting returned at 200 miles out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		I remembered something.
		I had been through the navigation bombing school at Matha, and I remembered that very dense material, very large structures would give a tremendous return.
		So I said, well, it's not jamming, because I knew what jamming looked like.
		So I think it in my fuzzy mind said, it must be some new type of jamming mechanism that we have on some of our ships that we haven't heard about.
		And it covers an area so that a missile can't home in on it.
		A missile needs a point.
		It can't home in on an area.
		Sure.
		So that's what it must be.
		We told the pilot, he picked it up on his repeater scope up there, and we gave him an ETA for it.
		And I said, tell me a Navy carrier group is some type of jamming mechanism.
		And so that's all.
		We changed frequencies.
		We listened, think if we could pick up some Navy aircraft, listening to them talk between the aircraft.
		Didn't pick up anything.
		So we plunged on ahead.
		It was now daylight.
		And they gave me an ETA for about 50 miles out because at that point, their combat air patrol would intercept us.
		Even though we were on course and Airways knew of our position and so forth, a carrier group would automatically intercept any plane coming to the area just to make sure who they say who they think who they say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we're going to have to rush forward.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did it turn out to be?
unidentified		Well, that's the damnedest thing.
		We got to within a few miles of it.
		We looked out there.
		We couldn't see anything.
		The radar now indicated it was maybe a mile and a half wide, two miles, two, three miles long.
		Tremendous return.
		And then we saw the area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the air, or on the air.
unidentified		In the air.
		In the air.
		The radar was tilting down, looking at it, and we couldn't see anything except an area, a darkened area, approximately three miles long, a mile and a half wide, which looked exactly like what the radar return was indicating.
		The only thing that could have been was something very dense right beneath the surface of the water, and all our experience was that the radar energy would not pick up anything as soon as it went under the water.
		Too deep to have been the shadow of a submarine or anything.
		No other interference, no interference on our radios.
		As we passed behind it, we lost track of it because of the configuration of the aircraft.
		We sent the coded message into Hickam that we had an identified sighting, gave it the latitude, longitude, latitude, the fact that it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What the hell that could have been?
unidentified		We don't know.
		We landed.
		We were debriefed by a Navy officer.
		He said it was this.
		We said, no, it could have been a garbage slick.
		It wasn't this.
		It was an oil slick.
		And he had the ultimate answer for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that was?
unidentified		Classified.
unidentified		Took the navigator's log, the pilot's mission flimsy, the radio operator's log.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He said it is a classified thing?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		He had no idea what it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		He had no idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he took all the logs?
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		The log, the pilot's mission flimsy, the radio operator's log, gave us receipts for it, took the chart, everything, it says classified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I have a suggestion for you.
		Yeah.
		I would like you to contact there's two things that you can do.
		One is you can file a Freedom of Information request that will get you all that information, assuming it's been unclassified by now, and I would think it would be.
		You can contact somebody named Peter Gersten, who is in...
		Gerston, G-E-R-S-T-E-N.
		He is an attorney who will willingly do this kind of work.
		Do you have a computer?
unidentified		Yeah, I'm going to go to the next one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can get him at UFO Lawyer.
unidentified		UFO Lawyer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The number one.
unidentified		Lawyer One.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At AOL.com.
unidentified		AOL.com.
unidentified		UFO L-A-W-L-A-Y-E.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		L-A-W-Y-E-R.
unidentified		Yeah, L-A-W-Y-E-R.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number one.
unidentified		Number one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At AOL.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell him that story, and I think he can help you.
unidentified		Okay, and you can do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then when you get the information, come back here first to tell it.
unidentified		Oh, I definitely will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right?
unidentified		Okay, the reason I picked it up was that the mariner mentioned the fact that they had some unidentified objects very large underwater.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		Thank you very much.
		Yes, our submarine expert, and there was no question about his expertise, when asked directly about things that moved utterly too fast and much too large under the sea, do they see them as we see UFOs in our skies?
		And the answer was an unqualified without hesitation, oh yes.
		Probably to the same degree that we have unidentified objects that cannot be explained seen here.
		What that man saw, you've got to admit, is very interesting and deserves an FOIA request.
		It'd be interesting to see what they come up with, huh?
		Blockard Line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		All right, this is Ed from Madison, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Ed.
unidentified		I'm the guy that's hassled you over the last couple of years about fasting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Sorry about hassling you for that.
unidentified		I just really get excited about the topic and didn't mean to hassle you, but I know I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, fasting is not a good topic on Thanksgiving, but...
unidentified		But that is a topic I was going to talk about in response to Joe that called before.
		Oh, yes.
		And that's what I'd like to say to him, that if he's feeling a sense of powerlessness, like he really, there's nothing that he can do, I would just like to suggest to him to take some time to fast and pray.
		And I would say from my experience that truly nothing's impossible through prayer and fasting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's got a lot of time to prepare for one thing.
		And if he's got a Beijing radio, he's got water.
		He's already ahead of most people, frankly.
		So he'll make it.
unidentified		We'll keep them in our purse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, take care.
		Thank you.
		Do that indeed.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, I'm Colin from Green River, Wyoming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, welcome.
unidentified		Thank you.
		I watched that game today.
		Yes.
		Yeah.
		And there was a call early on in the game that gave Pittsburgh a score that it shouldn't have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That they should not have made.
		I agree with you.
		I saw that.
unidentified		Well, you know, it shouldn't have been a tie, maybe, in the first place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but you can't say it's cool because that's karma.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		No, there were some quite a few bad calls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They have got to bring back instant replay.
unidentified		I agree with you.
		I was kind of upset when they took it away.
		The other thing I wanted to talk about was the warming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I moved here to Green River from Valentine, Nebraska, and they've been setting records in the 70s there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Today I talked to my family there, and it was 72.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is, you know, it's one of those things, you watch now, you mark my words, the whole country is going to wake up to this all of a sudden.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, already people are, of course, saying, what's going on with the weather?
unidentified		Oh, yeah, well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it hasn't really quite dawned on everybody that we're in the middle of a really profound change.
unidentified		No, it is pretty strange.
unidentified		Here in Green River, we are High Plains Desert, and we are usually have snow on the ground here in Thanksgiving time, and it's bitterly cold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it was about, well, I'm not even sure what it got up to today because I didn't look because I was watching the games instead.
unidentified		But I think it probably reached close to 60.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Imagine this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		British submarines are saying they are measuring one-third less ice in the Antarctic.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you imagine that?
		A third less ice.
		What do you suppose that might mean?
unidentified		Well, and the chunks that are breaking off are big.
unidentified		I heard someplace that they're bigger than what the Titanic had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, oh, much bigger.
		And there's even yet a bigger one getting ready to break off.
		All right, got to break it off here.
		We'll be back at the top of the hour with a Catholic priest who knows all about Zachariah Sitchin's work.
unidentified		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast A.M. My love is the night I told you.
		My love is the night.
		Thank you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's somebody.
		Hello, Art.
		I have to agree with you on the Steeler Lion game and the instant replay.
		Not only was a coin flip an example of total incompetence, but in that game, an intercepted pass bounced off a player, clearly.
		The referee claimed the ball bounced off the ground.
		What was he looking at?
		He had to have invented or imagined seeing it.
		I couldn't agree more.
		It was...
unidentified		It was...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It cost me money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was aggravating.
unidentified		I mean, they had this thing locked up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This isn't the coin talk.
		It's like that commercial they have where the rep comes out and As finally has to ask the players if anybody's changed for a dollar, you know?
		Having a bad day.
		It was that bad.
		It was really that bad.
		It should be embarrassing for officiating in the NFL.
		All right, coming up in a moment, Father Charles L. Moore, and I don't know a thing about Father Charles L. Moore, except that my friend Zachariah Sitchin said I should have him on the air.
		And so that's exactly what we're going to do.
		It's hard to imagine a Catholic priest who would have any sympathy at all with the twelfth planet, the small gods, the small G gods, the genetic tampering, and all that as our beginning.
		Anyway, we're going to find out.
		We'll find out about Father Moore together in a moment.
		Don't touch that dial.
unidentified		Don't touch that dial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
		Here we go.
		His name is Father Charles L. Moore, and I know he's somewhere in Central California.
		And I know that Zachariah Sitchin recommended that I have him on.
		And that's all I know.
		Here he is, Father Moore.
unidentified		Welcome.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You must be in Central California someplace.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Pacific Grove.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		It's on the Monterey Peninsula.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think that Zachariah Sitchin would say I should talk to you?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Because of a dialogue that's been going on between Zachariah Sitchin and myself for several years now, and in which we seem to understand each other with great accuracy.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And I have been very grateful to Zachariah for providing me with some insights into where theology might have come from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's back up.
		We'll get to that in a second.
		Could you tell us about yourself?
		Are you an active priest?
		Are you retired?
		What kind of priest were you?
		And so forth and so on.
		A little bit about you.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, I was ordained in 1964.
		And I've been retired for a few years now officially, but I'm still working at it by having this meeting in my house that's very successful.
		And I kind of travel around, have ceremony will travel, and I go up to Montana, down to San Luis Obispo, and to some other places.
		I'm a lawyer also, and I went to Stanford and was in the Navy one time.
		That's sort of my background.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you are currently not active as a priest?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, I'm active all right, but I'm just officially retired from assignments sort of on my own as a retired priest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were a traditional Catholic priest?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I think that's fair to say.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		I was ordained out of one of the most conservative seminaries in the world in Los Angeles, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a pretty long way from that conservative background to an alliance with Zachariah Sitchin and the 12th planet and the Anunnaki and all the rest of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So maybe you can explain to all of us how that happened.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'd just like to make a phrase first as introduction.
		It's the introduction of the gods, this is what I call it, the introduction of the gods into the paradigm, the paradigm being the accepted view.
		And I have frequently thanked Zachariah for allowing me to have the information to insert the gods into the paradigm.
		And that's what that seems to do for me and for everybody I talk to.
		When they get it, all of a sudden all sorts of things make sense that never made sense before.
		It's probably the most remarkable synthesis of what might be called secular history and scientific process and religious theory that I've ever found in my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you insert the gods, you said.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Insert the gods into the paradigm.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How from everything you have learned, everything you know, and I assume at least at one time everything you believed, do you do that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you insert the gods?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, the gods, of course, play a big part in the historical view of the world by mankind, and they appear quite Forcefully in the Bible, but they appear in the Bible as if they were mythological or as if they were things of naught, as it is said.
		However, the Greek gods certainly play a big part in our memory of ancient cultures, and the English poets play on them a lot, as do the German philosophers.
		And these gods, of course, are looked upon as being mythological or perhaps psychological, and they are taken in those terms.
		What Zachariah Sitchin tells us is that they are real, and that they are as real as we are.
		And one must understand that these gods are not spelled with a capital G, but with a small one.
		I asked him a question one time.
		I said, Zachariah, is the God whom we worship the God whom the gods worship?
		He thought for a moment, and he said, well, yes, exactly.
		And then he wrote a book to prove it.
		So the God of gods, as it is stated in the Bible, is extremely consonant with being the God whom the gods worship.
		Now, putting that all together, of course, takes a little bit of deep looking at your belief system.
		But in the final analysis, it simply verifies it and makes it more credible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you find no conflict with what you have learned and what you now believe versus what you originally thought you believed as a complete story.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		That's basically correct.
		However, when one does this, one has to look at one's creedal system and re-evaluate it.
		Many of the favorite doctrines of the Catholic Church, for instance, turn out to mean something quite different in this context than what is usually accepted.
		And this process is greatly assisted.
		Also, one looks at it and one finds certain real problems about the origin of Christianity, for instance, which come into clear light under the auspices of there being God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are many things about the Catholic Church that befuddle me somewhat.
		I'm not Catholic, my wife is.
		And we went to Rome not long ago and walked into the Sistine Chapel.
		And as you walk through the front of the main entrance to the Sistine Chapel, here's this gigantic globe in a glass enclosure with the signs of the Zodiac on it.
		Now, I stood there and my jaw dropped, and I went, what?
		The Sistine Chapel?
		This is what I'm greeted with when I walk into the Sistine Chapel?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps you could explain that seemingly impossible vision.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, my approach to that is from something very cognate to it, is the subject of telepathy.
		People ask me, for instance, the church doesn't believe in telepathy, does it?
		And I say to them, well, I don't know.
		But if the church does not believe in telepathy, what are they doing when they pray?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You say that to them?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly what I say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what kind of reaction does that usually get?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		They say, oh, I never thought of that.
		Why, I suppose that's right.
		It's really much closer than you think.
		As far as the zodiac is concerned.
		The entire...
		And that is the way the encampment of the Israelites was laid out by Moses in the desert.
		And you will find that not only do each of the tribes of Israel have a zodiac sign assigned to them, the numbers being 12 in both cases, but that the arrangement of the encampment was the arrangement of the zodiac, in which the Ark of the Covenant pointed east to the equinoctial sunrise,
		and the tribes went around in a sunwise circle, as the American Indians would say, from right around to left, in exact order of the zodiac, each tribe having its proper position.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So there's apparently a lot of things about Catholicism that I don't know, a lot of misconceptions about Catholicism.
		So you embrace the thought that long ago, this twelfth planet, Hebrew, did come by, that, in fact, there was a race called the Anunnaki, or whatever you want to call them, I suppose it doesn't matter, a race of extraterrestrials who intervened with a creature here at that time,
		produced, I suppose, you certainly believe, by God with a big G, and intervened genetically to produce what we are today.
		And they did this in order to mine gold.
unidentified		That's right.
unidentified		Wow.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		I find that utterly consistent.
		Now, let me tell you why.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Genesis, which of course is a very popular book in the Bible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Genesis has a bibliography.
		Now, when people say, what?
		How could Genesis has a bibliography?
		It's the first book.
		Well, of course, Genesis is not the first book.
		It's just about beginnings.
		But it has a bibliography which is contained in the book itself.
		And the bibliography is of books, most of which are lost.
		One of them is called the Book of Noah, for instance.
		And there are other books, the Book of Jubilees, etc.
		Now, the Book of Enoch.
		Now, these books, the big deal about Zachariah Sitchin is how he got started on all of this.
		And I suppose he told you that.
		How as when he was doing his bar mitzvah, the rabbi had him memorize part of Genesis.
		And one of the phrases in it was about, it was translated from Hebrew into English, so he's doing in Hebrew.
		The English translation was, for the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were fair, and took as many as they wished to wife.
		Seriously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Producing the Nephilim.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Producing the Nephilim.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Nephilim, yes.
		And the word sons of God was translated from the Hebrew word Nephilim.
		Well, he said to the rabbi, Rabbi, the word Nephilim doesn't mean sons of God, does it?
		Doesn't it mean those who came down?
		The rabbi said, yes.
		He said, well, why do you translate it sons of God then?
		He said, don't ask questions, just memorize it.
		Which is a typical might say, Catholic answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I, as a child, went to Lutheran church and I got similar answers until one day when I asked too many questions, they asked me to just not come back next Sunday.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		That's what they do to folks like that.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And the thing is, of course, that it is the questioner who cares about the answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And people who don't ask questions probably don't care about either the question or the answer.
		And so therefore, what's happening in that situation is that the theologian or whoever it is that's teaching you is defending themselves against being brought up against their own doubts and ignorance.
		And their refusal to answer or to be questioned is a sign that they don't know what they're talking about.
		And you, as a child, knew that, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Had you expressed these beliefs when you were active and you had a parish and so forth and so on, would you have been removed?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I went to a friend of mine who went through the seminary with me, who is now bishop in a Northern California diocese.
		And actually, he's my best friend in the seminary.
		And I sat down with him and explained a good deal of this.
		And afterwards, he rocked back in his chair and said, wow.
		He said, Charlie, you've really been doing your homework, haven't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did he?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		But you understand, said he, I couldn't speak publicly of these things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did he really say that?
unidentified		Yes, he did, sir.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And that's just about where we are on this matter.
		I mean, you know what I call this particular theology?
		I call it the theology of radical conservatism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that this belief or this knowledge is held tightly within the Vatican?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I say again, wow.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, very much so.
		And we're going to see it breaking forth forthwith.
		By talking to you this night on the radio nationwide, maybe the opening shot of a tremendous celebration.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There have been, father, a couple of interesting news items from the Vatican with respect to unidentified flying objects being, in fact, real.
		I forget.
		I may have been a bishop, high official of the church, went on television in Italy and made some sort of statement to that effect.
		And so there have been a few things like that.
		You've almost got to wonder if they're not sort of preparing the way for more information to follow.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you want to go onto that for a minute, let's deal with the June 30th phenomenon.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		By the way, I also know Graham Hancock and visited him in Devon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, a wonderful man, a good friend.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Isn't he a great guy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great guy, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And his recent book, The Mars Mystery, is really a bombshell.
		I noticed at his date, which he supports with considerable scientific evidence, to look out for what I call the bolide.
		My theological statement of that, the Noah flood was a bolide hit.
		The Earth was hit by some object from outer space that caused what was called the Noah flood.
		And the history of bolides in the world is very well recounted by Graham Hancock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Father, hold on.
		We'll pick it up at that point when we come back.
		The Great Flood.
		A bolide.
		Well, if it was that.
		How did Noah have time to prepare the ark?
		because the bolide would have been not quite immediate, but nearly immediately disaster.
unidentified		Take a look at my girlfriend, she's the only one I got.
		Not much of a girlfriend, but never seem to get along.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Certainly is.
		And let me alert you before we go back to Father Charles Moore to a number of really interesting things that we just got up on our website within minutes.
		I mean, just this last half hour.
		Now, one is a ghost photograph that is absolutely remarkable, a purported ghost photograph.
		You've really got to see it.
		It's from 1906, by the way.
		And then there's a 1978 UFO photograph from Guess Where, here in Perump, Perump, Nevada, that's where I am.
		Submitted by one of my listeners.
		And also the New Times interview that I did some time ago.
		Keith somehow got hold of it, and it's up on the website too.
		So a UFO over Perump, Nevada, taken obviously from a vehicle.
		A ghost photograph from 1916 in Kansas.
		You might read what comes with it.
		Quite remarkable.
		And the New Times interview, all up on the website in the last 30 minutes.
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		Every now and then I get things saying, can't find your website.
		Well, it's not hard to find.
		www.artbellar.com.
		A lot of new stuff up there right now, so if I were you, I would move your mouse and get going.
		you Indeed.
		Interesting email.
		Hi, Art.
		My name is Anthony, I won't give his last name, and I'm writing from the Republic of South Africa.
		I apparently have a lot of listeners there.
		I'm listening to your program here now at 9.30 in the morning.
		I'm interested in your Y2K comments and phone-ins.
		I'm preparing for the Y2K problem here by moving out of the city and going to live in the kingdom of Swaziland, a rural and unspoiled area in the southern African region.
		Keep up the good work.
		Well, I guess my going on the radio in Cape Town had some effect.
		We seem to have a lot of listeners now in South Africa via the web.
		Back now to Father Moore.
		And Father Moore, you were saying that the great flood was caused by a bullide, or otherwise people would think of it as a meteor or a giant rock from space.
		How would Noah have had time to prepare the ark if it was a bullight?
		It would have come surely without warning.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, the entire story is recounted in the records of ancient Sumer with great precision.
		The name of the person is Utnapishtim.
		That's Noah's name in Sumerian.
		And Utnapishtim was a king of Erek, which is one of the cities of Sumer.
		And it came along that this bull eye was sighted by the gods, this is the way the story goes, coming in, and they knew that it was going to strike and create havoc, and that they would have to evacuate the planet in order to avoid being killed.
		And the question was whether they were going to save the people or not.
		The chief god Enlil, who usually comes on as El, decided against saving the human race because they'd been so messed up by the interventions of a certain bad god named Hazazil.
		And so consequently, he decided not to warn them.
		However, the story is that Enlil's brother Enki, who was a friendly person toward humankind, decided that he would save somebody.
		And so he called Unnapishtim into the sacred precinct behind the root screen and told him rather to come into the temple at that night and that he might hear something of interest to him.
		And there he told the root screen that night about the coming catastrophe and that the entire world was going to be destroyed either by fire or flood, and that therefore he should prepare himself a boat.
		And he said, by the way, Rude Screen, I brought the plans for this boat along, and I'll leave them here with you so that you, Rude Screen, can at least escape from this catastrophe.
		And leaving, of course, the fish team came out and snatched the plans and went to work and built the boat, and the rest follows.
		In other words, the gods saw it coming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The gods.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		The gods saw it coming, and the gods gave the warning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Dan.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		What did Samarians say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dan in Palm Springs, California, asks, perhaps the obvious, Art, happy Thanksgiving, please ask the good father how long he was a priest and was he asked to retire?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Answer, I've been a priest and still am since 1964 and when I was ordained in the Diocese of Monterey and I was not asked to retire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		I retired in the normal course.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		So there is no breach between me and the hierarchy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That in itself is shocking in that you would have asked a bishop about, told him all of this, and he would have simply acknowledged that you're correct, but it can't be talked about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are many, many, many secrets held within the walls of the Vatican, aren't there?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		There certainly are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have interviewed another Catholic priest frequently whose name I bet you're familiar with, Father Malachi Martin.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		I've read his book, Windswept House, with great interest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are some pretty serious indictments in that book.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		I would say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you care to venture?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to push you into an opinion you don't want to give, but you haven't been hesitant so far.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't disagree with Malachi Martin, about anything he says.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And he's added to my store of knowledge, but I wouldn't question his veracity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Father Martin is and has been, as well as an advisor to two popes, very close to the Vatican, an exorcist.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe that people, in fact, are possessed by evil, by the devil?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, the simple answer to that is yes.
		This opens up a whole field which we may not have time to get into, which is about what I call shamanism.
		And to put it plainly, this is the definition of a shaman I've learned to work with.
		A shaman is a person who discovers within their own heart the knowledge that everything in the universe is made of spirit.
		And this, of course, is what Einstein said.
		But anyway, the shamans, shamanism, in my opinion, is the original religion of the three and a half million years of mankind.
		And it still survives among us.
		And the function of shamans, Moses, by the way, was a shaman.
		And apparently so was Jesus.
		And the function of a shaman is to deal with spirits, good and bad.
unidentified		Was Jesus the Son of God?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Not in the way people usually mean that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I asked Zachariah that the other night, and he said, Art, that is something that I have yet to deal with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to write a book about it.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I don't have my answer for you right now.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes.
		Well, Jesus, in my opinion, is someone I would call a master.
		And the necessary comparison to Jesus is Siddhartha, Buddha, Bodhisattva.
		And the parallel between the life of Jesus and the life of Buddha is absolutely astounding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, yes.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And I've gone to India to check it all out on site.
		And it just keeps getting more marvelous all the time.
		And for instance, the idea of bodhisattva, the basic statement of Buddha as bodhisattva, which occurs at the time of his passing at the age of 80, is, I am with you all days, even to the end of the world, which is exactly what Jesus had to say.
		And the idea is that bodhisattva is the point where the man who is the enlightened Buddha becomes the enlightened spirit who chooses to remain to assist those in the process of illumination who choose to ask him for that assistance.
		And it seems to me that this is precisely the same function that Jesus performs.
		So that it's so much so that I have this saying that I go by.
		Jesus grafted a Buddhist shoot on a Jewish root.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Father Martin says that he knows the third secret of Fatima.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that I will frequently ask him about it, and he will always not tell, but he will say something like it's worse than the worst you can imagine.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		That's right, it is.
		I know what it is.
		It was released in June.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was?
		Yes.
		How, no, no.
		What?
		I'm sorry, I missed that.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		It was released.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In June.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Now, that goes back to Graham Hancock.
		Graham Hancock predicted the 30th of June as a bullight hit.
		You know that.
unidentified		On 30th of June of...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I did not know that.
		You're giving me all kinds of new information here, and I can only deal with one at a time.
		The third secret of Fatima.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, now the point is, the third secret of Fatima is there will be a bolite hit on June 30th, 1999.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, we could perhaps have a repetition of the great flood, or it could hit land and a firestorm.
		And a firestorm.
		I was not aware that Graham had made a prediction of a June 30th hit of a Bolide.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Very much so, in the Mars Mystery.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		He gives the exact date.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		June 30th.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		June 30th.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		You know that meteorite shower we just had?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		That's the front or backside, as you might look at it, of the same shower that will hit us on June 30th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're laying so much new stuff on me here that I'm having to try and assimilate it as best I can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now I'm going to have to get hold of Graham, obviously.
unidentified		Yes.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, he'll tell you, because it's in his book.
		And the thing that got me was that I read his book shortly after it came out, and I found the information about the third secret of Fatima shortly thereafter.
		And the fact that both the third secret of Fatima and Graham Hancock's prediction predict exactly the same date kind of raised my hair up a little bit.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Now, the thing about that is, the word bolide, which I use so frequently here, is actually Nostradamus' word.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And he predicts the bolide on July 6th, 1999.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who released the third secret?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Vatican.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Vatican did.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		That's what I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How could I miss this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you actually have the text of it?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
		I just got it in a sort of a news flash, and I haven't been able to track it down further than that either.
		But it was in some kind of a publication that came out, and there it was.
		That's why it's more terrible than anything you can imagine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would virtually end life.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it's a life-extinguishing event.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Graham Hancock, you know, in his book The Mars Mystery says that these life-extinguishing events have occurred every 30 million years within the last 4.5 billion of the planet's existence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I have some sympathy with that point of view because, of course, there is the eternal dialogue between those who believe in creation and those who believe in evolution.
		And I don't see the process of evolution underway, though I'm here for a short time and may not notice.
		I tend to believe that we go through periods of creation and destruction, and that evolution as we know it, particularly as you look back on it, there are jumps that are unaccountable, occurred at times of creation or destruction and then creation again.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's exactly the way I view it.
		The thing is that we are living in a shooting gallery, and you look around at the other planets, and you can plainly see that bolide hits are the order of the day.
		It's what the frequency is that we don't know, and that Earth isn't any different than any of the others.
		And Graham Hancock tells you exactly why these bolide hits hit at that frequency of 30 million years, which you might be interested to know.
		And the idea is that the Sun, it's about orbital speeds.
		The orbital speed of the Earth, well, one of them is 1,000 miles an hour, you know, around its axis.
		The other one is 60,000 miles an hour around the Sun in its yearly course.
		The other one is, I believe, 360,000 miles an hour, which is the speed of the Sun going around the Milky Way.
		The thing is, though, is the Sun moves around the Milky Way, it does not move in a plane like a planet, but rather follows a dolphin-like course, going up and down in a sine wave, like a dolphin.
		Apollo the dolphin, the Greeks called it.
		But anyway, as it goes up and down, it passes through the spiral arms of the Milky Way, in which the matter is much more dense than above or below.
		And the period between the peak and valley of any wave is 30 million years.
		And when you look at the geologic record, Graham Hancock says we have such a life-extinguishing event every 30 million years that is no doubt caused by the sun passing through the arms of the Milky Way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		I believe that is exactly what Graham said.
		The original flood, the story of Noah and the Ark, there was then intervention when a bull-eyed was headed our way.
		What do you anticipate or know might occur this time?
		In other words, will there be yet another intervention?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that's the promise.
		I think this is what the fundamentalists call the rapture.
		That whenever this happens, somebody mounts a rescue effort.
		That seems to be exactly what it's about.
		The thing is, though, that in the former hit, the time of the flood, whenever the bolide hits the sea, as in Deep Impact, the movie, whenever it hits the sea, there are these huge tidal waves.
		And by the way, the destruction in the flood was not basically caused by the 40 days and 40 nights of rain, but by huge, pardon me, excuse me, by huge tidal waves that eventuated off Antarctica where the bolide hit and came up the Indian Ocean into the funnel of the Persian Gulf and poured out over into Central Asia.
		Now, this is what happens when a bolite hits the sea.
		If a bolite hits the land, however, huge quantities of Earth are thrown into outer space, scatter themselves around in a kind of corona around the Earth, fall back to Earth through the stratosphere, become highly heated, and cover the Earth with a rain of fire, which is totally destructive of everything on its surface.
		Now, such a hit on land would be very hard to prevent the destruction, unless some kind of intervention from out there should occur just before that happened.
		Afterwards, it would be too late.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, the more likely scenario is that it would hit water, since more of our planet is water than land.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		70%, yes, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		The results for us, though, would be, I suppose, somewhat the same.
		Just about nothing would survive.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I am really, really, really curious to...
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I hope so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, do you feel like you have a little bit of time?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		I'm ready.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I should warn you, Father, that I have unscreened phone lines.
		I just don't pre-question my callers about what they're going to ask.
		They can ask anything they want.
		And based on what you've said, believe me, they're going to have some serious questions.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		I know.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		I do this every Sunday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Well, after I give my talk, I always say, well, what do you think about that?
		And people ask me and go wherever they want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do this on radio someplace?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do it on the radio on occasion.
		And I also do it.
		I used to do it on Seeing Beyond.
		There's a station that's recently gone national.
		But I do it every Sunday here whenever I have services.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Stay right where you are, Father.
		This should be absolutely, positively fascinating.
		My guest is a Catholic priest and one who began as a very conservative Catholic priest, Father Charles L. Moore.
		And if you've heard the last hour and you don't have questions, I suggest you check your pulse.
		Holy smokes.
		He was recommended to me by Zachariah Sitchin, who was on earlier in the week.
		And after the news, we'll open the phone lines.
		Buckled in.
unidentified		Lead me this way.
		I can't survive.
		I can't stay alive without your love.
		Oh, baby, don't leave me this way.
		I can't exist.
		My, my, my soul.
		Take this place, on this trip, just for me.
		Ride, take a free ride.
		Take my place on my sea.
		It's for free.
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		Now again, here's Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		I am not easily blown away.
		I mean, I do a show that deals with the unusual, don't I?
		So I'm not easily affected heavily.
		This morning I'm blown away.
		My guest is Father Charles L. Moore, and he is here at the recommendation of Zachariah Sitchin, who I interviewed earlier in the week.
		Zachariah might have warned me what I was in for.
		He didn't.
		And all I can say is well.
		If you've heard the last hour, no doubt you have many, many questions.
		Father Moore comes from a very conservative Catholic background.
		He validates much of what Zachariah Sitchin says, actually almost all of it.
		Father Moore says the third secret of Vedima has been released.
		It is a bolide that is going to hit Earth June 30, 1999.
		The same date that Graham Hancock has predicted this event will occur.
		Bolides?
unidentified		Floods?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fire from the sky?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mountains?
unidentified		That's biblical mountains.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		or lesser events.
unidentified		The End All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's make sure that I've got this right.
		Father Morrow, welcome back.
		Hello.
		Here's email.
		Father Charles is aware that the book of Revelation talks about a burning mountain falling into the ocean.
		Perhaps he can paraphrase that verse.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Not offhand.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Take me a second, but I recall it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You virtually have said tonight that you believe the world, our world, as we know it, is going to end June 30th of 1999, this coming year.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would say that people ask me what are the chances of this happening, and I say, well, I guess just about what the chances are of everything happening 50-50.
		But the point is that the fact of the coincidence of three major predictors on one date, effectively, causes me to have pause to think that it very likely is going to happen.
		Let's put it this way, I won't be a bit surprised, and as that date comes closer, I will expect to prepare myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think, Father, that we will have warning of this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when I say that, I mean not just what you're saying right now, or Graham Hancock, or the third secret of Fatima, but warning in an astronomical sense that some astronomer will see this thing coming toward us.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Graham Hancock says no warning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No warning.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And he says, why?
		It's 24-hour.
		The warning will be 24 hours, which is much too short to do anything about it.
		And the reason he says that is that the Leonide meteorite shower, which we go through in June, in June it comes in the daytime hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I thought the Leonids came in November.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		They do, but they also return in June.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They return in June.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what Grahancock says.
		I'm taking his word for it.
		And that when they come in June, you don't see them.
		That's why they don't make anything of them, because they're not visible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And he says that they're hiding in there someplace.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Is a great foggy mass-covered debris-covered bolide of considerable size.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I do know that astronomers have categorized, I believe they claim, 10 to 15% of what they call the Earth crossers.
		They only know about 10 to 15%.
		And I also know that in the past, many, many times, the Associated Press, the main wire services have run stories that go about like this.
		The Associated Press learned today that Earth had a very close call two days ago, 24 hours ago.
		And then something came very close that we had no idea was out there.
		And we find out about it two days later.
		Now, does that give me a lot of hope that we would know ahead of time?
		No.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		No, it doesn't.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		The thing is, however, I will tell you that coming events do cast their shadows before in terms of deep-seated psychological awarenesses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe that.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And I think that we're beginning to see symptoms like that popping up all over the place.
		At least I'm seeing it around here.
		And it doesn't have anything to do with having heard what I said.
		There's some kind of deep disturbance at work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy, do I agree with you.
		I wrote a book called The Quickening, which was all about that.
		And I'm not a prophet, but I have felt for some time now that a really major event is imminent, is on the way close.
		I can just feel it.
		I can feel it in every fiber of my being.
		I know it.
		All right, here we go.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Father Charles Moore.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, Father Moore?
		Yes.
		I had a question for you.
		You seem to jump between different historic and archaic texts quite often.
		I want to know how do you decipher which texts are accurate?
		You seem to take a verse out of the Bible and continue it in some ancient other text.
		And I want to know, understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, Caller?
unidentified		From Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some of it, no doubt, comes from Zachariah Sitchin's reading of the Aramaic.
unidentified		Because when you were talking about Noah before, and you mentioned about the meteorite, in Genesis it speaks about the waters covering the highest peaks for several months.
unidentified		If that were true, as a scholar and as an educated person, do you really believe that it would take several months for the water to recede from the highest peaks?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Certainly would.
		Why'd you say that?
		When these bolides hit, Genesis uses the term the fountains of the deep will be loosed, right?
		As well as the 40 days and 40 nights.
		And fountains of the deep being loosed means tidal wave, tsunami, right?
unidentified		It's true.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And the thing is that when a bolide hits and sets off the tidal waves, they are huge, but it takes them at least a year to settle down.
		And they keep sweeping around the earth and around and around and around for at least a year.
		And actually, that's just about the period indicated in the Bible in which it took the flood to subside, which is curious.
unidentified		Well, that's the proper time frame, I imagine, but I just can't fathom it would take that long for the seas to settle.
unidentified		Well, you know, that's your view and it's my view, but it's neither here nor there.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		That estimate is given by people who deal with such things.
unidentified		What are your views on Jesus himself?
unidentified		Is he the Savior or is he just one of many saviors?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Basically, yes.
		The thing is that the concept of Messiah, and when one looks into the concept of Messiah, one learns a great deal.
		For instance, the book of Judges, that is so called in the Bible, should be called the book of Messiahs because that's what Messiahs do.
		And what Messiahs do is liberate people.
		And that's, of course, what Jesus says he's here to do.
		It's about freedom.
		And that's what Buddha said he was here to do, and that's what the judges in the Old Testament did.
unidentified		But in the New Testament, excuse me for interrupting, but before I lose the train of thought, I believe it's Corinthians or one of the New Testament books after the Gospels where Paul is saying that there was no other name beneath heaven given amongst men by which we must be saved save the name Christ Jesus.
unidentified		How would you justify a verse like that?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		That's Paul of Tarsus, and I'm afraid I have not a good opinion of him.
unidentified		Well, how can you not have a good opinion of him, though?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Because I've discovered in studying these matters that Paul of Tarsus is a Greek, and he makes Jesus into a Greek God.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And Jesus is not a Greek God.
unidentified		I'm sorry, sir.
		I disagree with you because he was picked of the Lord.
		And, you know, of course we have the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Caller.
		Thank you.
		And take care.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		This is what I call fundamentalist problem, Art.
		The fundamentalist problem is this.
		You believe the messenger more than the message.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can't name that bishop that you talked to, can you?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		I'd rather not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		He didn't want to be known publicly for his opinion, and I'll respect that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand that.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Father Moore.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Thanks for taking my call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And you're great to the world community.
		And I'd like to ask your guest.
		First, I'll call it from Los Angeles, California.
		I would like to ask your guest if possibly he might think that I've been doing a lot of, I'm 34, I've been doing a lot of reading and really interested in alien abductions since I was 17.
		And I happen to know a woman that has been abducted.
		Now, I would like to ask you, we know many accounts of women being abducted and testimony of falsely hybrid beings being created by these beings.
		Now, could it possibly be that if this is going on, that these beings are trying to somehow preserve the human race in some form before this catastrophe might happen?
		Maybe they have foresight that this is going to happen?
		And maybe that question might be for art, too.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's entirely possible.
		The thing is that if you read the Sumerian story of the creation of Adam and Eve, you will find that it is precisely a genetic experiment conducted by the gods in which human beings on the planet 300,000 years ago were used as the source of one half of it, the feminine half, the ovum, and the Anunnaki or the people from the other planet were used as the other half, the male half.
		And that genetic experiments were the precise way in which human beings were bred up.
		The bad news is that the human beings were bred up by the, quote, gods, unquote, to be slaves.
unidentified		All right, now I've got another question.
		Have you ever heard of some tapes called the Day of the Nephilis?
		I'm sorry?
		There's some tapes out there by this one minister called the Day of the Nephilis.
		They talk about beings having sex with human beings and creating giants.
		That's right.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		That's the story of the descent of Azazel on Mount Hermon.
unidentified		Okay, now this tape that I heard in this minister that was talking was saying more or less that these beings were of Satan and that they couldn't procreate like we do, so they had to do it genetically.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, they've got that a little backwards.
unidentified		Okay, can you explain your view on that?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's pretty close.
		The name of Satan in the New Testament that Jesus reuses was Beelzebub.
		Now, that's a Babylonian word, and the meaning of that word is idol of the flies, or Lord of the flies.
		That same name appears in Judaism as Hazazel, and that also appears in the book of Enoch.
		And this Hazazel Beelzebub is the personage who is presented as Satan or the devil in Judeo-Christian literature.
		And this is this very specific person and can be very clearly identified as to what happened.
		And what happened, according to the Sumerian story, as presented by Sitchin, is that the descent of Hazazel on Mount Hermon was against orders from on high, as it were, and he came down here in order to engage in fun and games with the ladies.
		And the result was that he produced offspring that were monsters and giants.
		And that this was the cause of the reason why, or the reason why, the human beings were not rescued from the flood because the entire race had been corrupted by the interference of this Hazazel.
		Now, it's very interesting that this Hazazel is precisely, in Judaism, Orthodox Judaism, is the demon of Yom Kippur.
		Yom Kippur being the principal feast of Judaism in which communion with the Spirit of the Creator is the object.
		And Hazazel is the one to whom all of the sins are sent by the priest on the head of the scapegoat.
		And this Hazazel and the identification of the devil as Hazazel will clear things up for everybody massively if they can get with it.
		Now the thing is that this Hazazel, it isn't that the Nephilim are all devils, but rather that Hazazel is a devil.
		In other words, he's just a bad God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Father, it was a man from the Vatican named Father Balducci, that's the name, who went on Italian television earlier this year incredibly to discuss his views officially on UFOs.
		And that would indicate to me that the Vatican seems to be preparing all of us for something, and the Vatican must know something that we don't know, and they're trying to get information out not directly, but somewhat indirectly.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's about correct.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And I think that that may be the story with Malachi Martin as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Father Malachi Martin also has been saying to keep your eyes firmly upon the sky because there is going to be a large sign from the sky.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He thought this last spring, and now he thinks this coming spring, so that really joins.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		He knows the secret of Fatima, and guess what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the bull-eyed.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Bull-eyed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure would like to lay my hands on the actual text.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you working on that at all, trying to get hold of it?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		No, I am not, as a matter of fact.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		But I believe that it wouldn't be too hard to do if you put your mind to it, Internet and all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Internet and all.
		All right, Father, hold on.
		Father Charles L. Moore is my guest.
		June 30th, 1999.
		The Father says that is the third secret of Fetima.
		And that on that date, a bullied is going to strike Earth, land or sea.
		And it's more or less a moot point, which it is for us.
unidentified		this is coast to coast am I see trees of green, redesigned.
		I see them blue for you.
		And I think to myself, what a wonderful to talk with Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nigh.
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		This is Coast to Coast again, from the Kingdom of Nigh with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Zachariah Sitchin might have warned me when I was about to walk into with Father Moore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy mackerel.
unidentified		I love my hairpapers grow.
		I watch them grow.
		They'll learn much more than I've never known.
		And I think to myself, what I want of my world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, at least up until June 30th, huh?
		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm Mark Bell, and my guest is Father Charles L. Moore.
		We'll get back to them in a moment, and your questions will...
		All right.
		Back now to Father Moore.
		And Father Moore, I have a question for you.
		With what we've already had from the Vatican, would you expect that between now and that fateful date, June 30th of 99, that there would be official statements from the Vatican?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		I would expect so.
		The thing is that I'm not sure whether this was an official statement that was sort of, you know, played down by the press.
		As you say, some further investigation has to be done into the circumstances.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here's somebody who writes, a question for Father Moore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Bell, if there is going to be an extinction event next June or July, June specifically, what reason would there be to not commit suicide before then to escape suffering beyond imagination?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, because the suffering at that time wouldn't be any greater than doing it yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a good answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Plus, there is always the possibility that it will not occur.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's just exactly right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, you know, Father, I had told this story before, but I had a very interesting phone call once from a lady who said, if we knew we had six months to go and there was going to be an event in LE that would extinguish all life, do you think everybody would go out and run their credit cards up to the max?
unidentified		And let me finish.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I said, you know, I really have no idea.
		I doubt the credit card companies would allow it.
		And so this lady called MasterCard, or Visa, I forget which one of the big ones, and she asked that question.
		And, you know, the first person said, hold on a moment, please.
		And she actually got to somebody high in management, and they answered her question.
		They said, well, we actually have considered this, and our attitude would be to allow everybody to continue to charge all they wanted based on the following assumptions.
		One, if it hit, it wouldn't matter.
		Everything would be academic, and nobody's going to be collecting anything anyway, so who cares?
		But based on the possibility that it wouldn't hit and that Earth would survive, we'd be in great shape.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's pretty good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's actually a fairly logical thing.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		A very logical answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		The interesting thing is that they considered it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
		East of the Rockies, good morning.
		You're on the air with Father Moore.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		God bless you for your show.
		Father Moore, yes, I am so happy about this show because I need an answer and you, from what I heard you talking about earlier, can corroborate or give me the answer to this.
		From the things I've read, I believe that when God created, made the creation, first he made, you know what the Sephirot are?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry?
unidentified		You know what a Sephira is?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Sephira, yes.
unidentified		Okay, God created other universes, which are the Sefirot.
		And those universes, and then He created this universe.
		And I believe that from those other universes, those were the gods, let's say, or other or extraterrestrials, which were like, God was the architect and they were the workers.
		They came here and we were created.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's kind of the story, isn't it?
unidentified		And it would be great if you would be able to, I think Art has, could have with you like two shows, so you could explain how it was created.
unidentified		Because it's so interesting and it's so easy.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		It's very easy indeed.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And the thing is, this is the question of dimensions, you see.
unidentified		Right.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And the word dimension is actually the inadequate word.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		The word should be multimension.
unidentified		Right.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Because dimensionality is two of them.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And the action is that there are many of them.
unidentified		Right.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And the thing is that the process of creation and what is meant by creation needs to be clarified to deal with that.
		And what creation is, curiously, is represented by what the scientists call black hole theory.
		But the idea of creation is that it is, and it's actually in the book of Enoch as well, and also in the book of the Gospel according to Thomas, which we've now discovered, in the mouth of Jesus.
		And here's what he says, and this really needs some explanation, but here's what he says.
		For spirit to become matter is a marvel.
		But for matter to become spirit again is the marvel of marvels.
		Now that's what creation is, as I understand it.
unidentified		Right.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		When spirit becomes matter.
unidentified		But don't you think it would be easy, okay, from what I've read, you know, like the infinity and so contracted in order to create the vessels.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		It is the emergence of the material from the non-material.
unidentified		Right.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And the thing is that that emergence is pressed by an osmotic power of the Creator.
		This is precisely the kind of thinking that we need to do.
		And this is the, I brought up the word shaman before.
		This is the ancient religion of the world.
		We have been shamanic for three and a half million years.
		We've only been human in the sense that we are now, after the God's intervention, for about 300,000.
		But still, the shaman is your radical priest.
		He's the radical, or she, is the radical person who understands from their heart the process of creation.
unidentified		Wouldn't it be great, Art?
		Don't you think it would be great for the Father to have a show or to explain how creation was made?
		It's so easy to understand.
		It would make so much sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We can certainly ask.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The scientists talk about the Big Bang, Father.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you instead refer to Genesis?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I would try to explain Genesis in terms of the Big Bang, rather.
		The thing is, I know a lot of people don't like the Big Bang theory, but I rather like it.
		And the reason I like it is because of what it deals with, and this is pretty abstract mathematics, the non-dimensional point.
		And this is a Kabbalistic concept from the Kabbalah of the Jews in the Middle Ages.
		It's called Kether.
		And Kether is the manifestation point of the Sephirah that our friend the lady was just talking about.
		And the idea of it is it's a non-dimensional point, and points are all non-dimensional, of course, in which the unmanifest reality manifests as reality.
		Now, I say that again.
		The non-dimensional point at which unmanifest reality manifests as reality the way we know it.
		Now, this point is clearly demonstrated by black hole theory among scientists, which is the idea that a black hole, which is at the center of our galaxy, for instance, has a tremendous appetite, and it rather eats up the galaxy as it goes over hundreds of billions of years.
		But the idea of it is that it is a place where mass is condensed to such a smallness as to make it almost impossible to imagine.
		For instance, just as a general idea that if the Earth were in the black hole, it would be a microscopic planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, indeed.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		You see?
		Now, the thing is, but the idea, one would think that this black hole is dimensionally, by our dimensions, very large, but the opposite is true.
		The black hole is infinitely small and having this massive appetite to consume those things which appear large.
		And someone has also pointed out that a quasar seems to be the other side of a black hole.
		That what it takes into its non-dimensionality and back, apparently, into, you know, pre-material being, it then spews out as a huge burst of light, something like a quasar.
		And that creation, this would be a succession of creation and catastrophe, in which the one is the other side of the other.
		And that this is what we call creation.
		Now, I want to say something right there.
		What we're dealing with here is a concept of the Word of God.
		Now, we take the Word of God, oh, the Bible, the Bible, and only the Bible.
		Well, in a sense, the Bible is the Word of God.
		Well, maybe it's the Vedas instead.
		Well, maybe in a sense, it's the Vedas.
		But actually, the primary word of God is something that West Point calls celestial mechanics.
		The primary word of God is the universe and the way it works, both inside of us and outside of us.
		And it is upon this word of God that we must depend to interpret any other word of God that we receive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I'm telling you, you're going to shake up the force tonight.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on there with Father Charles L. Moore.
		Hi.
unidentified		Gentlemen, good evening.
		Good evening.
		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from San Diego.
		Okay.
		Those of us who are from the Monterey Peninsula or in the Monterey Peninsula have known Father Charlie as one of our best kept secrets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, apparently so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, maybe you can help me out here because a lot of people are running saying this cannot possibly be a Catholic priest.
unidentified		Actually, I interviewed Father Charlie in 1992 when I had a show on a public radio station, KAZU, in Pacific Grove.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Good to hear you again, Father.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		As ZZ Top would say, you're bad.
		You're nationwide.
		I did want to ask you, Art, a real quick question from last night.
		The gentleman who faxed you about the based on a true story scenario of somewhere in time wasn't perhaps from Tucson, Arizona, was he?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Oh, good.
		That's good.
		Father, I'm myself a devout agnostic.
		And as we know, fundamentalist Christians would say that our only hope for escaping in what you described as their concept of the rapture is to accept Jesus Christ.
		And personally, as an agnostic, if I was going to pick any religion, I certainly, and not to start a firestorm of controversy, wouldn't put my ships in the kingdom hall, for example.
		It sounds like we're doomed.
		I mean, I had a pretty much surreal, emotional Thanksgiving as it was, and this is kind of a cherry on top.
		So basically, what can we do, Father?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that what we need to do is to awaken our inner shaman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, prepare spiritually.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wouldn't say it that way, really.
		You know, I know what you mean.
		But when I say awaken our inner shaman, I'm saying something about our capacity to deal with our unconscious world.
		All right?
		And the thing is that, you know, you put it in terms of the unconscious world.
		For instance, in dealing with this thing about the gods, there are two manners in which the gods seem to be ahead of us.
		One of them is technology, and the other is telepathy.
		Now, being ahead of us in telepathy is kind of a hundreds-monkey internet idea, which is that we are all communicating with each other on this unconscious telepathic level all the time.
		And if we knew how to do that and bring it back and forth into our consciousness, we would be massively empowered.
		And I believe that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe that as well.
unidentified		Father?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I remember one question that stood out back about six years ago now, I guess.
unidentified		We were discussing when you and I talked about the Kabbalah, and I remember you saying that you bring that up in your they were pretty much ecumenical services, aren't they?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		That you bring up the Kabbalah, but you will not teach it because you consider it too dangerous.
unidentified		In light of what's coming, do you still believe that to be the case?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
		The thing is, I teach the Kabbalah.
		I have no problem with that.
		But when somebody asks me, teach us the practical Kabbalah, which is how to manipulate the power, I won't do that.
		And the reason is that I know something about that curious religious phenomenon called the forbidden secret.
		And the thing is that when people, you know, if there is a forbidden secret, everybody wants to know what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was about to ask.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		But what it is, what the forbidden secret is, is, now this may not sound like what it is at first, but you'll have to think about it.
		It's how to get the consent of the victim in a sacrifice.
		Now there's my definition of priesthood.
		Priesthood is not a priest.
		He's a sacerdos, a sacrificer.
		And here's what a priest is.
		The instrument of a priest is a knife.
		The action of the priest is to kill.
		The power of the priest is to get the consent of the victim to its own death.
		And the purpose of the priest is to give God a good reputation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let me read this to you, Father.
		Yes.
		I've located the verse in the book of Revelation which mentions the burning mountain.
		It's Revelations 8, 8-9.
		And the second angel sounded his trumpet, and as it were, a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea, and the third part of the sea became blood, and the third part of the creatures which were in the sea and had life died, and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
		He goes on, it gets better.
		10.
		And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers and upon the fountains of waters.
		And the name of the star is called Wormwood.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that sounds eerily like the bull-eyed that you're talking about, doesn't it?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		It certainly does.
		And you notice these angels, by the way.
		Notice that these angels are the angels of the four directions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I almost hate to say this, and I hate to even bring it up with you, but that sounds an awful lot like a Wiccan belief to me.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is.
		Because Wiccan is directly descended from primal shamanism, and like all things, has become corrupt and therefore a bad word.
		But nevertheless, its essential approach to reality is an ancient shamanic approach and has to be respected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Incredible.
		All right, Father, can you do one more hour?
		I mean, there's a million people who want to talk to you here.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
		Father Moore is my guest, Father Charles L. Moore.
		He says the third secret of Fatima has been released.
		He says, the third secret is that this coming June 30th, as Graham Hancock, he says also predicts, is going to be when a bullhead hits Earth, water or land.
		It may be somewhat academic for all of us.
		It doesn't really matter.
		But that would be about it.
		And the trumpet sounded.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		That sure is.
		Father Moore is my guest, and he'll be right back.
		I'll tell you this program is constantly a surprise to me.
		It's certainly no exception.
		Father Charles L. Moore is a very traditional Catholic priest.
		Or he was.
		Or he still is.
		I'm not sure.
		Anyway, he says that very likely a monopoly is headed on our way June 30th, 1999.
		And he might have evidence for the release of the third secret experiment as well as a grand headpot statement.
		And so we're having a rather interesting program that I want to have you on the edge of Europe.
		Will something intervene as it did once before you maintain when the metal were destroyed by the Great Flood?
		Extraterrestrial intervention.
		Perhaps so.
		Anyway, to be sure, a fascinating show, and Father Moore will be right back.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		you All right.
		Here we go again.
		Father Moore, this is very interesting, and I'm glad somebody faxed me and reminded me.
		The Vatican, not long ago, against all odds, against all environmental considerations that would have prevented anybody else or any organization or even university from going on top of Mount Graham in Arizona,
		built, built a, muzzled their way on top of Mount Graham and built an observatory to look at something or for something in space.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they blustered their way past all the red tape and in conjunction with the university, that observatory is on Mount Graham.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you suppose they might be looking for?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Maybe what's coming, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe what's coming, huh, indeed.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air with Father Moore.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello?
unidentified		Oh, hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I have a few questions.
unidentified		I'm in the Bay Area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Bay Area, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're actually near Father Moore.
unidentified		Oh, well, I'll have to go see him.
		I have a few questions.
		Yes.
		First is, how do I or we prepare our souls and our bodies for what is to come?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		That's the question I wanted somebody to ask.
unidentified		Including.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, stop there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let him answer that, and then you can go on.
unidentified		All right.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First of all, what you need to do is to do a meditation on the nature of death.
		And you will be surprised.
		Now, here's a statement which I believe is far beneath and above what people usually say.
		And I apologize in advance because it's a little shocking.
		And that is that ecstasy is the only dependable motive of conduct of every sentient being.
		That's the first statement.
		Second statement is that the universe has been created by Creator in such a way that ecstasy is the only dependable motive of conduct of every sentient being.
		Meditate on that.
		And then realize that ecstasy is associated with that transformation of life that we call death.
		And that that is true for every sentient being as well.
		Meditate on that.
		Because what we call our soul is more properly called our spirit.
		And the first thing to understand is that Jesus didn't invent eternal life.
		Eternal life is as much celestial mechanics as the bullied and the stars.
		All we can do in our lives is improve or disimprove its quality.
		The spiritual life is here as the Egyptian Book of the Dead indicates.
		It is not the Egyptian Book of the Dead.
		It is the book of the transformations of life.
		That's its real title.
		And the idea is that the shamanic knowledge, the ancient revelation, the truth of beginnings, is that we are all involved in a process of eternal life, be it on this planet or elsewhere.
		And it's always been like that.
		So, to prepare ourselves for whatever may come, be it all together with the bowlide, or one by one as is normal, or how to greet the day with a light heart and joy, whether it be for any of those things, and perhaps for all of them.
		What we need to do is to meditate on what I just said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that help you, ma'am?
unidentified		Yes.
		I have a couple more questions related to that.
		Oh, boy.
		I have so many questions.
		Even though Jesus said, be not afraid, I am sometimes.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Primal fear.
unidentified		But when I'm not afraid, it's the opposite feeling, which I think is what you just described, is the feeling of great love and connection to everything.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Primal fear and primal ecstasy balanced against one another in such a way that it is awesome and that the ecstasy is just slightly dominant, but the fear does not go away.
unidentified		That was my next question.
		Is love the strongest force in the universe?
		And I think you already answered That.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I think so.
unidentified		And do Celtic people have sort of an edge on this?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed, they do.
unidentified		That's what I thought.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		The reason is that the Celtic people are very close to their shamanic origins, just exactly like the American Native people.
unidentified		I've had these questions since I was five years old, and no one could answer them.
		Drove my mother nuts.
		Well, you see, you have good questions.
		Thank you.
		Is there one true church like the Mormons say there is?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me tell you about that.
		The only true church is the church of Humpty Dumpty.
		Now, let me tell you what I mean by that.
		The story of Humpty Dumpty sitting on the wall is, of course, the good news is he was once altogether on the wall.
		The bad news is that he's fallen off and gone to the thousand pieces, and the politicians can't put him back together.
		All right?
		Now, what we need to do is to realize that in our hearts, we all have the power to time travel, as it were, back to that place where Humpty Dumpty was on the wall.
		And that's the true church, and that's the origin, and this is what we all have in common.
		And the good news is we have the power to do that.
		And if the world is to be saved from its confusion, it will be because on the 100th monkey internet, we help each other do exactly that and quit fighting about what we differ about and understand how real that agreement truly is in the nature and the function of the universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Father Moore.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, sir.
unidentified		Hi, this is Nelson from WLS Area Chicago.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And, Father, my question to you is, do you see a chance of the churches going back to their shamanic roots?
		Judaism going back to the Samanic roots?
		To find God, are everybody going to have to leave the churches?
		This is sad that the churches dissuade people from their shamanic roots.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		That is the problem.
		Precisely, you've got it right on the head, on the barrel head, I might say.
		But the thing is that what I say to people, never leave the religion of your mother's womb.
		Only go within it until you find the place from which it came.
		And you will find everybody else there with you.
		Now, what I mean by that is, this is the gospel, it's in the gospel, according to John, in the story of the woman at the well.
		And here's what Jesus says to her.
		I know I've read it in the Greek, and here's what he really says.
		And in Greek it says, which is, Spirit is the God.
		Now, listen to that.
		That's kind of different.
		Spirit is the God, he says, my dear.
		My dear, Spirit is the God, and so are you.
		And if you would relate to God, it is spirit to spirit that you must do it.
		Where, when, and with whom is a matter of secondary importance.
		What Jesus is saying is the words of a pure shaman.
		Jesus is one.
		And he's telling us all we should be too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Father, when did you first connect with Zachariah Sitchin?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Oh, quite a while ago.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		I would say maybe six years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Six years ago.
		When you first heard Zachariah.
		Yes.
		Did it hit you like a brick falling on your head?
		Or did you assimilate it slowly and sort of prove it to yourself, one little proof at a time?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me say this.
		I read his book long before I met him, The Twelfth Planet.
		I read that right after it came out.
		And I don't remember how long ago that was.
unidentified		It was on quite a while.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And I didn't understand it at all.
		I read the whole thing through and I put it aside and said, oh, that's interesting.
		And that was about it.
		But then a good friend of ours came by here, Dr. Ed, and invited Sakharais into town.
		And a big turnout came, and I went.
		And after listening to him talk, I said, wait a minute, I think I read that book.
		I think I've got to read it again.
		And I went and read it again, and it hit me like a ton of bricks.
		And instead of being scandalized or upset, I said, well, that makes sense.
		And everything's been making better sense ever since.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, here's an interesting question that you're not going to be able to answer, but maybe part of it.
		Somebody writes, what is the name of the liberal bishop who agreed with him?
		Meaning you're not obviously going to give the name, but would you characterize the bishop you spoke to as liberal?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You wouldn't.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on air with Father Moore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi there.
		How are you?
		This is Karen in Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Karen.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		Father, in the Celtic tradition, I know that, like in the movie Willow that Ron Howard did, there were the Tuatha Dadan, which means people of Danu, which I think.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		And Robert the Bruce was trying to return Scotland to the Celtic belief.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And so he understood what you understand.
		Yep.
		Also, the Library of Alexandria, we lost so much when that was destroyed.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Burned with the Christians.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Do you think that the Nag Hammadi scrolls, the Dead Sea Scrolls, is this us slowly getting back some of what we've lost?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have good news for you.
		Yes, it is.
		And I have good news for you.
unidentified		Yes.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		They found out that the Library of Alexandria had a basement.
		And the basement was not burned and was underwater.
		And they're beginning to bring up all those books.
		And these are the second copies, but we're beginning to find that the Library of Alexandria isn't totally gone after all.
unidentified		And the shamanic part that you're talking about with Christ in the book of Thomas from the Nag Hammadi scrolls, he does have that quoting there that I have sometime back, and I think you're bringing that back out again, where he says, Bring forth that which is within you, and what you bring forth will save you.
		If you do not bring forth what is within you, then it will destroy you.
		Is this what you're talking about?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Because that which is within you is the Spirit.
unidentified		Yes.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And it will turn you into a curdled mass of fear unless you do with it what it's supposed to do, which is to manifest it.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		In other words, when you understand things and you have certain knowing, you should share it and not just keep it to yourself or manipulate it in the wrong ways because it will, like, it'll burst you up good.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		I would give a caution with that.
unidentified		Yes.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Masters do not teach dogma.
unidentified		Right.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		They teach Dharma.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And the difference is that dogma tells you what you must do, and Dharma suggests to you what you might do.
unidentified		And that keeps you from crossing wires with the free will of things, right?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		You never order people around.
		You only suggest to them where they might look, because you know perfectly well nobody believes what people tell them.
		All of us only believe what we find out for ourselves.
		And the only way we can help each other is to help each other find out without preempting the process.
unidentified		In other words, leading others to personal experience.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Father, a million people are going to want to get hold of you.
		Is there an email address, a website, a regular mail address or anything you can?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		There's an email address.
		Okay.
		You might find it interesting.
		The real name of Merlin is Moordoon, and much hangs by that.
		Curiously, my last name is Moore, and therefore I have taken that name.
		Moordoon A-O-L-Dot com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, spell that for me, please.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		M-O-O-R-D-U-N-E.
		D-U-N-E.
		As of Sandoon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		M-O-O-R-D-U-M-E.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		D-U-N-E, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		N as in.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		As in Ned, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As in Nora.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Mordoon.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		More Dune.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's M-O-O-R-D-U-N as in Nora E at A-O-O-L.com.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You will get mail.
		Believe me, that's M-O-O-N.
		All our case?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		M-O-O-R-D-U-N as in NORAE at A-O-L dot com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on air with Father Moore.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
		Going once.
		Going twice.
		Gone.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air with Father Moore.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
		All right.
		Father Moore, I want to just make this comment of my gratitude.
		I left home as a young boy during the Depression, and later on in life, I had spiritual intrusions, and because I didn't want to get locked up, I went to the Indians and lived with them for several years, medicine people.
		And you talk the shamanism life, which I lead, and you are just so right on, but I have never heard it explained in rational terms.
		I've just practiced it.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, congratulations.
unidentified		And it is just, it's everything.
unidentified		What you say is absolutely so right on.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		I want to share this with you, Ben.
		I go to Montana all the time, and up there I have met a very marvelous Indian shaman called Longstanding Bear Chief, a chief of the Blackfoot.
		And I talked to him about this, and I said, Bear Chief, I want to try out a definition of shamanism on you.
		I want to see what you think.
		And I said to him, what I say of shamans, a shaman is a person who discovers in their heart that all things are made of spirit.
		He couldn't say anything because he started to cry.
		And after he had cried, he looked at me again and said, you're a Catholic priest.
		And I said, that's right.
		He said, will you come up here next summer and spend some time with us and tell my people that?
		If you do, we might get our dignity.
		Please come.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, Father, it's very interesting because I did an entire program with some Hopi elders.
		As a matter of fact, it was pretty arduous because we translated as we went.
		We had a translator, and we did a whole show with Hopi elders.
		And they virtually said, from what they know, exactly what you have said with regard to the Bolide.
		They said it in a slightly different way, but they said exactly the same thing.
		Hopi legend actually ties exactly and precisely in with what you have said tonight about the coming bolide.
		Are you aware of that?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am aware of it.
		I have been down there to the mesas, and I spent time with Thomas Benyaka and his wife Fermina, and I am familiar with that.
		I've also been to Guatemala and visited with the Maya in the highlands and found there exactly the same prediction and the same idea.
		And however, there I found something else, which is the prayer of the shaman.
		The archetypal prayer of the shaman.
		It's very short.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, it'll have to hold for the bottom of the era.
		We'll be right back.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Oh, oh, oh, oh.
		Oh, oh, oh.
		From the Kingdom of Nye, this is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
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		And you may fax ART at Area Code 702-727-8499.
		Please limit your faxes to one or two pages.
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		Now again, here's Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		Interestingly, I've got a fax here from Richard Hoagland, who is up in Seattle, and I can't read it all.
		Richard, you've got to work on your handwriting.
		But he says, the object the good father is describing is in fact one of the, and I can't make it out, meteors, which we have discussed, the black ops people, then something about, are going to try to shift it out of the way if they choose to, as Tom Bearden and I have pointed out several weeks ago.
		That's from Richard Hoogland, still in Seattle.
		So I didn't quite get it all, but it's an obvious reference to what my guest father Charles Moore has been saying tonight.
		Well, I'll tell you, when you sit in the seat I'm sitting in on any given night, you never, ever know what you're going to walk into.
		And this is a perfect example.
unidentified		The End.
unidentified		End.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right, in a moment, it's back to Father Charles L. Moore.
		I have two books that I have written, folks.
		And actually, these books, I think, will give you some insight, perhaps even to my recent absence.
		Certainly the first book, The Art of Talk.
		It is about my life.
		It's a hardcover book.
		It covers a lot of behind-the-scenes talk radio.
		It was a very frank, very blunt, very coarse, very accurate description of my life.
		It's all laid out.
		It's updated from the original version, very much updated.
		Has 60 photographs.
		And you can see me from when I bloated my mother's belly until now.
		And that's the truth.
		The other book I wrote is called The Quickening.
		And when I reread my own book, I quake a little bit at it.
		It involves a lot of events that are going on right now.
		And actually, you know, it actually relates to what we're discussing with Father Moore tonight.
		The course of human events right now in every area, political, environmental, social, every aspect of human endeavor appears to be quickening.
		And I am not a prophet, nor am I a priest, but I know, and I have known for some time.
		I wrote this a couple of years ago, now more than that.
		And I know something is coming.
		Deep within me, within every fiber of me, I know it's coming, and I document how I know that in this book, which was on the New York Times bestseller list for a long time and is still selling like crazy.
		Now, every Christmas, this Christmas being no exception, but this may be the last one, I offer my books, actually The Art of Talk, first time for that, autographed editions, and it's going to be the last Christmas.
		I can only sign so many, there's only so many hours in any given day.
		So if you would like my books, The Art of Talk and The Quickening and or The Quickening, individually they're $24.95.
		Art of Talk is 260 pages.
		The quickening, 336 pages.
		They're $24.95 each, or if you buy both, you get two autographed editions, and I think this may be the final time I ever offer this, for $44.95 plus shipping and handling.
		And there are a limited number of copies available, signed copies, believe me, limited.
		The number is 1-800-864-7991.
		You can call right now.
		1-800-864-7991.
		And we're certainly not going to make it to Christmas.
		I can tell you that.
		I will call a halt to this with no notice.
		I give you warning now.
		One night I will simply say, over.
		And it'll be pretty soon.
		1-800-864-7991.
		All right, Father Moore, welcome back.
		You said there was the prayer of the shaman.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Before I say that, Zachariah asked me to give a number where you can get his book of Heaven and Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And there's an article in there by me, which you might find interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there is.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And the number is 888-519-8484.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		I told Zachariah I'd give that number out if I had a chance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's 8888-888-519-8484.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Zachariah might have warned me a little what I was going to walk into when I put you on the air.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The prayer of the shaman.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		The prayer of the shaman.
		May the heart of earth flow to the heart of the heavens through my heart.
		And may my heart be the heart of every sentient being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very good.
		Father, I've got a piece of email here, and you're going to get a lot like this, but I suppose you're used to it.
		I think it comes from a fundamentalist.
		Let me read it.
		Let you respond.
		As Father Martin, Malachi Martin, told you, there are a great number of Satanic followers who have permeated the church.
		This, Father Moore, is an example of how seductively deceitful Satan can make his message appear.
		The Lord promises us through the Holy Spirit the power of discernment of spirits.
		It is with this gift, after prayerful consideration, I say Father Moore's view is obviously closer to witchcraft than Christianity.
		Mark in Indiana.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is exactly a fundamentalist response.
		That is exactly what I would expect.
		But I will tell you that I've been there myself.
		I know what he's doing, and I understand it.
		The thing is that, remember what I said about primal fear?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Primal ecstasy?
		This is a response of primal fear.
		I have sympathy for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's another one.
		No one, no one should consider what this father says about the bull-eyed or anything else of any value.
		He values his own opinion over that of Jesus Christ and the apostles.
		In the Catholic Church, once a father, always a father, but that does not mean that you speak for the church.
		This man is speaking in behalf of Satan.
		Same group, huh?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Same group.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Father Charles Moor.
		Hi.
unidentified		Peace to you, Art, and peace to you, Father.
		My name's Tom.
		I'm in South Carolina.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Tom.
unidentified		I have a question regarding the natural world, the supernatural world, and the prenatural world, and how that relates to the transfiguration of Jesus Christ as said, as written in the second book of Peter in the Gospel.
		The apostles are supernatural, as I am, being part physical and part spiritual.
		Jesus is part physical and part divinity.
		Where, and his angels are prenatural?
		As in the angels, Christ's angels, as they were created as pure spiritual beings, are they prenatural?
		Is that prenatural?
		Is there a difference between prenatural and divinity as Jesus Christ is divinity?
		I'm a remembering Catholic.
		I'm remembering myself into the Catholic faith.
		And these are some questions that I would like to ask you.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, those are very good questions, and I've thought about them a great deal.
		And the way I like to approach that is to say it's a problem of the meaning of the word supernatural.
		We get a lot of that in the Catholic Church, supernatural.
		And supernatural is taken to be outside of the order of nature, right?
		Beyond the order of nature.
		Well, that's a word which was conceived in a two-dimensional world.
		Now that we see how many dimensions there may be in the universe, the entire thing becomes a matter of dimensionality.
		That's one way to approach it.
		And that whereas it might be said that we have some awareness and ability to act within three of the most four dimensions, the divinity from which we come has a capacity to operate in any number of dimensions we can't imagine.
		And that, of course, is supremely, I wouldn't call that supernatural.
		I would call that supremely natural.
		And that is exactly how I view the Creator.
		The Creator is supremely natural and therefore the order and the operator and the author of nature.
		And that as far as Jesus is concerned, however, the Church of Jerusalem, which is the original church that followed Jesus, by the way, it is not the one that followed Peter.
		It is the one that followed James, his brother.
		They are called the Ebionites.
		And these people did not regard Jesus in any way except as the Jewish Messiah.
		And as such, he is no more God than you are.
		And as a matter of fact, he said as much to the Pharisees.
		They were going to stone him for claiming he was God.
		And he looked back at them and said, oh, does that surprise you?
		Haven't you read in your own scripture that you are all gods?
		And left it at that.
		In other words, he's more God than you are.
		The only difference between him and you is he's a great deal more aware of what that means.
unidentified		Yeah, don't you know that you are all gods?
		Would that relate when we talk of the saints and their being close to Jesus and his mother Mary and to God the Father and God the Holy Spirit, are they not close to being divinized as was promised to us all?
		If we can break away from the natural, the grip that the natural world has on us and become spiritual and direct our lives towards our spirituality?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is precisely the idea.
		And the thing is, I like to express it a little differently.
		The way you can understand it best is to use the Buddhist word for it, which is illumination.
		Illumination means exactly what you just said: it's the realization of your spiritual nature and its power.
		And to realize that and act in accordance with it, as Jesus says, is the will of God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Father Moore.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		And may I say what a bona fide pleasure and privilege it is to finally talk to you on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I have two observations, and I'll try to make them as quick as possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, by the way?
unidentified		Oh, I'm in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, catching you on WTMJ Airport.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Okay.
		The first one is a small observation.
		I wonder if this potential impact may have anything to do with the fact that, according to your show, the Hubble telescope is shut down for two years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what they're saying.
		They're going to shut down the Hubble for two years of maintenance.
		I thought, though, the more interesting consideration was the hurried red tape slashing observatory that the Vatican got up on Mount Graham in Arizona.
unidentified		Now, the second and possibly more intriguing observation I have is, say, we do have a mass extinction event in June, or as Nostrada said, in July.
		Where does that leave the Antichrist?
		I mean, it would seem to me that world destruction, that would leave the Antichrist with his finger in an uncomfortable place.
		He's been promised world domination, the years of control and everything, and suddenly they're not following the demonic script.
		Do you understand what I mean?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I mean, it's like he's supposed to have control.
		If this wipes everything out, well, that throws out the other potential cataclysm we're supposed to have.
		Only this would be a cataclysm of world domination and everything.
		The two don't seem to jibe.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, here we have the problem of scriptural predictions, which is a very serious problem because it raises the entire question of just who was this fellow talking to.
		Now, that is the people who had the revelation.
		Now, there's a very important thing behind that, and I think I need to address that with you.
		This is called dream vision.
		Dream vision, now here's a statement for you.
		Dream vision is the normative mode by which human beings experience communication with their Creator.
unidentified		Right?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
		That's point number one.
		Point number two is that the entire Judeo-Christian scripture, the Bible, is a record of dream vision from beginning to end.
		Everything in it is the product or involved with or related to dream vision.
		And read the whole thing with that in mind, and you will come up with an astonishing solution.
unidentified		You would regard the Antichrist as sort of like the boogeyman of our dreams?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Ah, okay.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Well, that certainly answers my question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure does.
		All right.
		Thank you.
		Thank you very much.
		And East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Father Charles Moore.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Wilmington, Delaware, listening on WDEL and Dio 1150.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Art, I just want to say it's good to have you back on the air, and thank you for getting the truth out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Believe me, it's good to be here.
unidentified		That was very fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Father, I'm a former Catholic who embraced Islam, and I'm also an amateur astronomer.
		Can you tell me, Father, I agree with you on Paul.
		I actually believe that Paul was an enemy of Christ, Paul being a Greek, and I believe that he is the one who deified Christ to the point where they made him the Son of God.
		I believe that Jesus was a mighty prophet and messenger of God, or a shaman, as you say.
		Father, can you give me an opinion or your opinion?
		How would Prophet Muhammad, who lived 600 years after Jesus Christ, how would Prophet Muhammad and the scripture that was revealed to him, the Holy Quran, how would this come into play in the spiritual sense?
		And can we reach that spiritual achievement through the Islamic faith?
		And I'll just hang up, listen to your reply.
		Thanks, Sir.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead, Father.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, thank you very much for asking that question.
		I really like that question.
		That's one of my favorite things.
		I call it not Christianity, but Judeo-Islamo-Christianity, okay?
		I have a little, a thing was given to me here, a sort of a staff.
		And on it was a little note.
		It said, to Father Charlie, the first patriarch of Judeo-Islamo-Christianity.
		Well, I'll include Buddhism and all the rest of them for that matter, but let's take it with that tradition, because that is a definite tradition altogether.
		The Quran is a beautiful book.
		The Quran is a highly spiritual book, and that I will say, and that Islam is at least as valid in every respect as a pathway to revelation as any other religion, including Christianity.
		In fact, I believe that Islam is closer to the original teachings of Jesus than the Catholic Church is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Father, I should ask you now, while I have a moment, all my guests, all guests I have on, as I approach this hour, I try to ask them whether they're growing tired and wish to go to bed or I have one more hour of radio program, and you're welcome to it if you wish it.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		I am?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you are, yeah.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, I'd be happy to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		In that case, let's try and squeeze one more in.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air with Father Moore.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		Good evening, gentlemen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening.
unidentified		This is Brian from Phoenix.
		The first thing I'd like to do is to tell you Art and all your listeners that movie Somewhere in Time.
		Make sure you rent it and buy the soundtrack.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Good for you.
unidentified		Great, great movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did you see it?
unidentified		You know, real funny, I was like 13 or 14, and my mother took me to go see the movie, and I thought, oh, this is going to suck.
		This is going to be a stupid movie.
		And by the end of the movie, I'm telling you, I was moved to tears.
		It's not a girly movie.
		It's not a guy movie.
		It's an everybody movie, like you were saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		I mean, if you have any kind of heart, you need to see that movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what I told my audience.
		I said it's not a chick's flick.
		You should have seen some of the angry things I got from that.
unidentified		I can't believe that.
unidentified		That's an outstanding movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, we don't have a lot of time, so if you have any questions.
unidentified		Okay, well, my question is, Father, can you find religion in what you do for a living?
unidentified		I mean, you know, like what you do for a living, the reason why I'm asking this is because I kind of have a unique job, and what I do is, well, sometimes I think it's kind of bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you do?
unidentified		Well, you guys are going to laugh, and of course, your listeners are going to laugh, but I'm a disc jockey at a topless club.
		Oh!
		There I said it.
		You know, and I have fun.
		It's great.
		It's a wonderful atmosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And somebody makes money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And somewhat of a religious experience for you, eh?
unidentified		Well, not just a religious experience.
		I'm just wondering, you know, well, maybe is it bad?
		Is it good?
		I don't know.
		Maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm dying to make a comment here, but not while a good father is around.
		Listen, you want to hold on?
		We'll pick up on this.
		We'll hold you over.
		Why?
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Coast to Coast AM.
		Listen to the wind blow.
		Watch the sun rise.
		If you have a fax for Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye, send it to him at area code 702-727-8499.
		702-727-8499.
		Please limit your faxes to one or two pages.
		And if you don't love me now, you will never love me again.
		And still can you say it, we'll never break the camera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good morning, and thank you.
		Dr. Ryan Titchen for Father Charles L. Moore, who is my guest right now.
		And I imagine a giant disturbance in the force.
		I can almost close my eyes and visualize it.
		Father Moore, we'll be right back.
unidentified		Father Moore, we'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I wouldn't, Father, are you there?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've got one final hour to go, and I wouldn't resist for all the tea in China bringing back our friend, a DJ at a topless place, looking for religion at work.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		That's a real good idea.
		Not a bad place to look for it.
		Let me say.
unidentified		Am I there?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Are you there?
unidentified		You're there.
		Well, first, can I say one thing?
		Sure.
		I don't know if I'm trying to justify myself here, but I have been doing it now for, oh, I'd say probably approximately like four years.
		The money is really good.
		Actually, what I'm really trying to do is be an internship at KFYI here in Arizona.
		I go down there and I bug them at least twice a month.
		And, of course, I can't get in, but I'm trying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, just keep pounding on the door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the way it works.
unidentified		Yeah, that's what I'm doing.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Art knows something about this.
unidentified		All I can say is, you know, what do you think, Father?
		Art, Father?
		Well, what do you think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Father, I'm going to let you come in because a thousand lines have come to mind that I have appropriately squashed already.
unidentified		Right now I'm chain-smoking thinking of your comment, Art.
		I'm dying.
		I'm dying.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, you give me the opportunity I want to talk about the word, religion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Now, religion has become a bad word in our society, and you say you should be spiritual instead.
		But the thing is, it's because people don't know what the word religion means, and because it's become associated with the idea of having an argument.
		Now, the thing is, the word religion is very good.
		It comes from a Latin verb, ligo, ligare, legavi, legatus, which means to bind, D-I-N-D bind.
		It's about bonding.
		And as I say to people when they get married, the purpose of marriage is to teach you the difference between bonding and bondage.
unidentified		Okay?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Bonding is wonderful, bondage is terrible.
		They both sound alike, but they're very different.
		And that's true of religion, too.
		Now, the thing is, what is this bonding?
		And the bonding that religion is about is the bonding between spirits, yours and the spirit of your beloved, whoever the beloved happens to be.
		And therefore, what this means is that primarily, unless you have a spiritual view of life, religion is very difficult For you.
		Because physical bonding is clumsy.
		Whereas spiritual bonding is very refined and powerful.
		And the purpose of our lives, and what we call love.
		What is love?
		Love is the bonding of the spirit.
		That's what it is.
		Love is the ecstasy of bonding, in fact.
		Now, that that bonding can be from physical sources only is certainly true in a certain way, but it's a piker compared to the other one.
		So that what we really live for is spiritual bonding, because from that we get the meaning of life.
		Now, wherever you are and with whomever you are, you should be practicing your spiritual bonding, whether you're distracted by physical beauty or not.
		Now, let me put it another way.
		There is another comparison between love and ecstasy.
		Not between love and ecstasy.
		Between love and lust.
		And here's what I've learned, I think, about this.
		Love, well, it's motivated by compassion.
		Lust?
		Well, it's motivated by envy.
		And there's a meditation for you.
		And if you look at yourself and find that you're being motivated by envy, I would say that you probably better do something else.
		But if you can find a way to be motivated by compassion wherever you are and in whatever circumstances, I would say you're doing the right thing.
unidentified		Go for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, that's his answer.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Father Moore.
		Hi.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		This is Robert calling from Key West, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Key West, way down there.
unidentified		Yeah, I picked up your show for the first time during the blackout down here during Hurricane George.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And I've been with you ever since.
		It's a wonderful program.
		Thank you so much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		My question for Father Moore is, is he familiar with the case of Father Mario Mazzolini, the Roman Catholic priest from Italy, who traveled to India over a period of, I'd say, 12 or 14 years and had an experience of Christ in the person of Sri Satya Saibaba from the small village in South India known as Puttaparti.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Priest kicked him out for it.
unidentified		Who was excommunicated.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've seen Saibaba twice.
unidentified		Would you have, just listening to your response to the listener previously about lust is envy, it seemed to me to be a rather interesting position that the church would excommunicate a man for spreading what he believed to be just a compassionate experience with a wider audience through his books.
		And I understand he has a radio program in Italy, although I haven't heard it.
		Would you have any further comment on that?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, I am not very pleased with the church in the matter of excommunication.
		And I am certainly not pleased with the church in the matter of the Inquisition.
		And excommunication is a tool of the Inquisition.
		And the Inquisition is giving God a bad reputation.
		And so consequently, whenever the Church resorts to these means, I feel that it's operating outside its constitution.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Might a person inquire, Father, how you have avoided to this date excommunication?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		It just never comes up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is a large national radio program.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It may come up now.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		It may.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would you react to it?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		I would tell them that the fact is, as you know perfectly well from the theology I learned in the seminary as a lawyer, you can throw me out, but I won't quit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Father Charles L. Moorheim.
unidentified		Good evening, guys.
		Father, last night I happened to get through, and I was talking about my opinion of religion and why I didn't attend church.
		I'm sure there's a church out there where I could feel comfortable, but my basic point was that the church anti-state tries to dictate the terms in how you should structure your religious beliefs.
		And that's why I left, and I was going with the philosophy on what's in my heart.
		And an hour ago, you said, like the Indians say, always stick to your religion that you came in the womb out of.
		Now, Joseph Campbell, have you ever seen any of his tapes?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I've taught courses on him.
unidentified		Right.
		He basically sums it all up as, you know, from the New Guinean ritual to Star Wars to a Woody Allen monologue, Greek mythology, we're all one in the sense of duality.
		Now, that sustains my philosophy and how I believed before I even heard of his tapes, and then you're saying basically the same thing.
		So, you know, though we have most societies saying, well, this is the New Age thing, and this is the hidden stuff you should stay away from.
		This is how they try to suck you in, blah, blah, blah.
		Why does the church in a state seem so defensive and ridiculing?
		I mean, what's your opinion on that?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, my opinion is on that, that the church has been corrupted by imperialism.
unidentified		Okay.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		The church is the product of the Holy Roman Empire whose purpose was to exploit the world.
		And interpreting Jesus as a teacher of exploitation is an oxymoron.
		Jesus is a bringer of freedom, not of slavery.
		He's not about exploitation, but about compassion.
		And as I restate the last, the middle four commandments, God speaks, as it were, and says, if you want to put it in commandment terms, which I don't like either, but nonetheless, as for thy neighbor, thou shalt have compassion with him, and thou shalt not exploit him.
		And that's what the Ten Commandments really say.
unidentified		Wow, very interesting.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		And so therefore, whenever a religion becomes a means of exploitation, it's an oxymoron.
		And it scandalizes everybody that touches it.
unidentified		You know, that makes a lot of sense.
		And that just sustains what I believe the whole time.
		Now, one last thing.
		This extraterrestrial thing that we're seeing nowadays more than ever, this may sound shocking to the church, or maybe they're trying to get it out.
		I mean, you can't just come on air and shock the nation.
		You've got to slowly bleed this stuff out.
		Correct?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the general view, yeah.
unidentified		But how long do you think, in your opinion, will the public really know the truth of extraterrestrial biological entities and their existence and or their direct influence in the political world?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me answer that.
		In this book that I've mentioned, Heaven and Earth, by Zacharias, and the article that I write talks directly about that in terms of the movie Encounters of the Third Kind.
		Encounters of the Third Kind was based upon the French Department of UFOs.
		Now, most Americans don't know that they have a cabinet-level department in France devoted to UFOs.
		And I read an article in L'Expless in the French many years ago in which the head of the department had published an article about the results of getting together in that department in France millions of sightings all over the world.
		I guess they're still doing it.
		And then coming up by computer matching with some kind of commonality between these sightings.
		And he said, after all of that, we have an opinion, we have two opinions, or a combination of them, which are the only possibilities logically that we find can remain.
		Either we are being visited by people from another system whose concern for our welfare passes our understanding, or else there is an outbreak of what Carl Jung called the human unconscious, unparalleled in the history of the race.
		In either case, or in a combination of them, it is the most significant event of the 20th century.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, I sure agree with that.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		How about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a rather interesting fact here from somebody named Ray.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can vouch for the fact that Father Moore is indeed a Catholic priest, but I'll bet he never told you he was the district attorney in Santa Cruz, California in the early 50s.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		I did say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		That's true.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		I was the elected district attorney of Santa Cruz County, California at the age of 26.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have led some life, haven't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Father Charles Moore.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		This is Mark.
unidentified		I'm listening to WRBZ in Raleigh, North Carolina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I've been a bit of a spiritual warrior for my entire life, ever since early childhood, through the power of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
		I've tried to be a thorn in Satan's side, so to speak.
		And I'd kind of like to throw another wrench in his plans tonight that I've understood from inside sources that in June of 1999, there is possibly going to be a great social upheaval instigated by true Satanists.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you say you've heard this from inside sources, what do you mean?
unidentified		Well, a friend of mine who knows certain people have said that acting like Patsy on the radio that you spoke to earlier had an interview with one time, said that the true Satanists are in hiding at this point because they're planning getting guns together and getting food supplies, and they're basically going to try to attempt a final sort of battle, I guess, against goodness and righteousness.
		And my friend is actually into, he believes in Jesus, you know, as the Christ.
		However, he still studies Wiccan.
		And he has, I guess, certain knowledge of people that have actually hidden out and are planning really to try to cause great chaos coming up in June.
		I was wondering if anybody, if the good doctor had heard anything about that, or if, you know, maybe just a word of warning to everybody to be a little bit prepared.
		Well, something like that does happen.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		In South Carolina?
unidentified		North Carolina.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		North Carolina.
		Well, if you take a look at Malachi Martin's book on Windslet House, you will find that he has some very interesting material in there for you.
		Okay.
		And the material is played in fictional form, but when he was asked on Art Bell Show, I understand, whether it was fictional, he said no, it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He wrote it as fiction intentionally because to write it any other way probably would have resulted in some sort of very serious danger for him, and he as much as said that.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I thought.
		Now, the thing is that the key place, the big scandal event that occurred was in South Carolina, right?
		Remember that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And that there was a hookup somehow between the Vatican, not the Vatican authorities, but a Vatican chapel and a South Carolina chapel.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And that in South Carolina, and I will not name the Cardinal, but a Catholic Cardinal presided at a ceremony in which the Catholic Church was dedicated to the devil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's certainly true that Father Martin wrote that.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And he's a Vatican exorcist and comes from the inside circles of the Vatican.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He does.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		And he proclaims this event as the very center of his book, Windslept House.
		Now, I am shocked, of course, to read that by him, but I would be the last person in the world to deny it might be possible.
		The thing is, this raises the question of the satanic influence, which comes up all the time.
		And first of all, I would tell you that I'll repeat what I said earlier.
		The thing is that Satan, or Beelzebub, or Hazazel, or by whatever name you wish to call this being, is clearly a Sumerian God, having the powers of suggestion and the powers of telepathic communication, which can cause great havoc.
		And that this personage is given in the book of Enoch credit for the reason why the gods did not rescue human beings, because he had messed us up so badly.
		And the idea is, of course, that this is also survived the flood and is still giving us problems.
		And if we want to deal with the fact that the gods may still be with us, I asked Zachariah that, when are the gods coming back, Zachariah?
		And he said, what makes you think they ever left?
		And the good news is that the gods are just like us.
		And the bad news is the gods are just like us.
		And if we can be angelic, we can be diabolical.
		And if the gods can be angelic, they can be diabolical.
		And believe me, they are.
		And so consequently, the likelihood of such an event is extremely high.
		The interesting thing here is that the date, July 6th, right?
unidentified		Yes.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		July 6th is the date that Nostradamus gives for the bolide.
		June 30th is the one that Graham Hancock gives, Anthony.
		But the date of the bolide is given by him as July 6th.
		And I suspect that all of this has something to do with that prediction by Nostradamus.
		In other words, that such an outbreak is likely at that time because of the fact that that is the day of a predicted catastrophe, which would make the whole thing irrelevant otherwise.
unidentified		Indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Father, hold on.
		Let me get a couple of things on the air here at a break point.
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		Once again, that number is 1-800-917-4278.
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		We will be right back.
unidentified		Her hair is hollow gold, her lips are sweet and bright.
		Her hands are never cold.
		She's got bad ideas.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good morning, Father.
		Charles L. Moore is my guest, and he'll be back in a moment.
		You know, I was just on my own website.
		I do that every now and then.
		And there is an interview that I did with the New Times.
		And I'm sitting here reading the interview myself and going, wow, it's a pretty good interview.
		I had forgotten that I even gave the interview.
		I've given so many, and somehow Keith got hold of it.
		And the entire interview is up there, period.
		And it's actually a very good interview.
		It's kind of funny to sit here and read your own words coming back at you so much later and thinking, well, yeah.
		You know, I said the right things.
		I said what I meant.
		It's a pretty long interview, so if you get an opportunity to go to my website.
		As a matter of fact, there are all kinds of things to see up there.
		That interview you can read.
		There is a 1978 UFO photograph, quite a good one, ostensibly taken in perump.
		There is the Fatima website link now that Keith just got up there.
		And there is a brand new ghost photo.
		Don't forget we're going to tell ghost stories tomorrow night.
		Boy, are we going to tell ghost stories.
		There is a ghost photograph from the year 1916 in Kansas that you really ought to take a look at.
		All of that is up on my website right now.
		Father Moore will be right back.
unidentified		Father Moore will be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		With that, we go into the final segment with Father Moore.
		You've held up very well, Father, indeed.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, it takes one to know one, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess so.
		West of the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Father Moore.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		Good morning.
		This is Wayne.
		I'm calling you from Vancouver, B.C., 1410 CFUN.
		It's where I listen to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But, of course.
unidentified		And I understand you're coming up here.
unidentified		You mentioned that last night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am going to do a segment of Millennium in which I'm going to get to play myself, which I think is going to be fun.
		And they do their taping there in your fair city.
		And it is a fair city.
		God, it's a beautiful city.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Well, if I can be of any service to you when you're here, I'd be glad to help out.
		So in picking up the airport, whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I appreciate the offer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And happy Thanksgiving to all Americans down there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Art, I've been listening to you for about a year, and this program is, this is number one tonight.
unidentified		Father Moore, it's a real pleasure to speak with you.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		You have elucidated and made so much sense of the whole religious, spiritual, et cetera, et cetera, of philosophy.
		I love what you're saying.
		Something that you said is that if we don't have personal experiences, a lot of this stuff just goes right over our heads.
		And when I'm 50 years old, when I was 11, I had a dream or a vision or whatever that I have always remembered.
		It was just incredibly outstanding.
		I was sort of above the planet or above the land, the country, and the entire land was on fire.
		And I believe that I love your philosophy of there is such hope and faith and positiveness in what you're saying.
		And I think when we are open to receive, when we are connected, that we are warned, we are given signs.
		And if we're open and ready to allow that to come in and follow our intuition or whatever our higher self is telling us, that then we will be guided.
		And just everything you said tonight, I don't go to church on any kind of a regular basis.
		I've tried a few times and it's just never kind of been the right thing for me.
		But I will tell you, Father Moore, I would sure go to your church.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		I'd be glad to have you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You still conduct services, Father, from your home on Sundays?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		10 o'clock every morning, Pacific Grove, my house, 1246 Buena Vista.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was that address again?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		1246 Buena Vista, Pacific Grove.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		93950.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Very good.
		First time caller line, you're on there with Father Moore.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, I'm calling from Pasadena.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pasadena, yes, sir.
unidentified		Art, was it the New Times article you're referring to, is that the paper here in L.A. by any chance?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's Phoenix.
unidentified		Okay.
		The website is really great, by the way.
		I'd love to check out your website.
		It's great to listen to Father Moore tonight.
		And I wanted to just relate that I was able to spend some time a few years back with a Hopi elder named White Bear.
		If you're familiar with a seminal book called The Book of the Hopi, then you might know a little something about White Bear.
		I don't know that he's a shaman, however, but he told me a lot of things about the Hopi prophecies, and I believe he was speaking in terms of feeling that we were in the last ten minutes of what I think they called the fourth world or the fifth world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you read or listen to Hopi Prophecy and you listen to what Father Morris said tonight, there are parallels all the way down the line.
unidentified		Yeah, and White Bear was speaking at the Philosophical Research Society here in Los Angeles one day, and I got to ask him a question, and I asked him, did he think that negative extraterrestrials were controlling the U.S. government?
		And most of the people laughed when I asked that question.
		But they got quiet when he said, he kind of laughed and he said, I remember his words exactly.
		He said, well, of course they are.
		Why do you think we're in the trouble we're in right now?
		I don't know if he was speaking of extraterrestrials in a third-dimensional sense or whether maybe he was referring to multi-dimensional entities that he believes would possibly be influencing certain decisions of our leaders, but I wanted to kind of throw that over to Father Moore and see what he had to say about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Father?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is on the question of subversion.
		And Zachariah helps us out a lot with that.
		The idea, and I brought this up before, that when human beings went through those genetic experiments in East Africa 300,000 years ago and were produced to be workers, they were also produced to be slaves.
		And that the control factor in the gods is keeping us in a slavery mode.
		And that the Messiahs, when they come, always come to liberate us from that mode.
		Now, the other part of that story is that whenever a Messiah comes, a system of freedom obtaining is set up by the Messiah.
		This is how to be free.
		Do thus, this, and the other thing.
		But what happens is that the other guys, the slave masters, always come in and take over the system.
		And therefore, every Messiah system that's ever been set up has been converted eventually into a mode of slavery.
		And if that is not still going on, I'd be surprised.
		And I think that's what we're talking about here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So do I. Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Father Moore.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Father Moore?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes, I'm glad I'm not in the confessional right now.
		I'm on the air.
		That's good.
		My name is Mario from San Francisco Marina.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Ah, Mario.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I got in with Art Bell the other night.
		He heard me talking.
		And I told him about my lock-ups.
		I'd been locked up 10 times with psychiatric wards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I recall.
unidentified		And the reason being is that I would hear voices.
unidentified		Now, the first voice I got in contact with Art was Nikola Tesla.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
unidentified		And what happened then was he kept going with me as if I were a robot.
		Like a robot.
		And I tell all the psychiatrists, I'm Nikola Tesla.
		I'm writing.
		And I wrote all kinds of stuff from Tesla.
		All this stuff is written out.
		So what I'm saying to you, Father, is now, I am truly one in being with the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit of Christ.
		And my being and my essence is that I am the point of Node, which is the reference point of Tillyard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I'm not sure what all this is, but can I ask Father a question?
		Yes, listen to me.
		If you really want to know whether you're channeling Nikola Tesla.
unidentified		No, I'm not telling him now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are Nikola Tesla.
		Then take your work, not to a psychiatrist, but to a scientist.
		Do you have a question?
unidentified		Okay, yes, I have a question for Father.
unidentified		Father, I am God who is the point of the Omega.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That didn't sound like a question to me.
unidentified		That's a question for him.
unidentified		Father, do you believe that I am Mario, God, the point of the Omega?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Father, you can only be agnostic on the point.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good for you.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Father Moore.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good evening, Father.
		My name is Matt, and I'm from Madison, Wisconsin, listening on broadcast.com.
		Yes, sir.
		My question for you tonight is twofold.
		You said you still say the Mass, and I would like to know if you still say the traditional Tridentine Mass, which is the pre-1962 version.
		And I was also wondering if you follow the teachings of Father Nicholas Gruner.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		To the second part, no.
		To the first part, I guess that's kind of difficult to answer exactly.
		What I do do is I use many of the formulas of the Tridentine Mass, sometimes in Latin.
		But the Communion service, it's what I call the Communion service.
		And I don't call it the Mass, but the Eucharist.
		I have a very definite reason for that.
		But the essential notion of the consecration of the Body and Blood of Christ is at the very center of what I do.
unidentified		Okay, that's always been a very center point of what I believe in.
		And it seems today that the traditional Mass, and I used to attend Father Alfred Kunz's Masses in Damien Johnson.
		He was recently murdered in the last six months, and it has not been solved yet.
		And he was very strong on the theology and the belief in the traditional Catholic Mass, and that today's Mass is very corrupting and is actually not what Christ had endeared for us to believe in.
		And that's why I wanted to know what Father believed in as far as which version of the Mass he said.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me put it to you this way.
		What I do, I said, is to go to the root of the matter to find out exactly what's happening in the consecration of the Mass.
		And what exactly do we mean by the Body and Blood of Christ?
		Now, this is very difficult because the concept of the Mass that we generally get in Catechism is very Pauline and very affected by what I call idolatrous notions.
		Now, the point is that we go back to the idea that everything is made of spirit and that somehow what we're doing here in communion, most people think communion is with Christ.
		And of course it is.
		But the communion we're after is with the Father.
		It is the communion with God, the Creator, which we are really after.
		And this is what Christ facilitates for us by the consecration of the Mass.
		Okay?
		Jesus is there.
		But Jesus is there to help you communicate between your Spirit and the Spirit of your Creator.
		And that's the celebration of the Mass that I use.
unidentified		Okay, and that's very close to what I was taught.
		And I was taught at Father Clemson's school.
		And he was very strict.
		And what he taught is that every person is made in the image and the likeness of God.
		And based on how we live our lives, we are a reflection of God.
		And we should be able to see God in each one of ourselves based on how we live our lives and how we treat one another.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		In other words, what I say is this.
		Each of us has an obligation to so experience the Creator that we cause a good reputation for the Creator to occur in all we contact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Western Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Hi, Art.
		Hi, Father Moore.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		I've been attending two lectures recently with a friend of mine in the last two months.
unidentified		One was with Michael Cremo, and the other one was just last week with Zachariah Fitchin.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yeah.
unidentified		I've been impressed with both of their works.
		Zachariah is more of a historian.
		Michael Cremo is more of a consolidator of scientific works.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		He's not come to me before this time.
unidentified		Oh, I'm on a phone.
		I can't hear very well.
		Try that again, if you would.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't know of him until you mentioned him.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Oh, shoot.
unidentified		Okay, well, then it's almost futile for me to call, but I do have one other question.
		What would be, one of the previous callers mentioned that, and you made a comment, that you think there's a possibility that this slavery sort of mentality is still going on, and if that is the case, what is the bottom line here?
		Why would This be continued?
		Is there some sort of a commerce that's going on that we don't understand, or what would the reason be?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, the answer to that is the reason why the gods made us.
		Now, you see, the gods didn't make us, but the gods bred us up.
		They interfered in the process.
		And the trouble was that the natural, according to the situation, is that the native population of the earth was simply involved with freedom, and they made bad slaves.
		They weren't obedient.
		And in order to make them obedient, the story goes, the gods had to breed them up with themselves in order to produce an obedient race they could use.
		Now, the idea of that, of course, is that the whole history of human race as we know it is a quest for that freedom which we lost by this interference that was done to us.
		Now, this covers a great many things.
		But this freedom that we seek in our hearts, this is what our religions are supposed to do, is to help in doing that.
		And therefore, the issue of freedom in slavery is a universal problem for the entire race, and that we have not solved it.
unidentified		I feel that we all feel this on a certain level.
		I am so frustrated, especially in modern times, with our not only knowledge of science and psychology and so many different areas of academicia, why we cannot just more or less recognize the truth that we have this wonderful potential and why don't we just get on with it?
		Yeah, overhaul the system and get on with it.
		Because we could have an oasis, this wonderful world and this beautiful jewel we live on.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		You're absolutely right.
unidentified		Continually get bogged down in garbage.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're absolutely right.
		That is exactly the problem.
		And the mystery of life is what St. Augustine said it was.
		The mystery of evil is that we don't get on about our business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Father, we're coming to the end of it here, the end of the time that I have available, period.
		It has been absolutely fascinating.
		I don't know how you have remained hidden to me until now, but I'm certainly glad that Zachariah Sitchin recommended I Have You On.
		It has been worth every second of it.
		Would you give your email address one last time, please?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Moordoon.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		M-O-O-R-D-U-N-E, Mordoon at A-O-L dot com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Have you written a book?
		No.
		Are you going to?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, all kinds of people are on me to do that.
		And I probably will.
		But it hasn't happened yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So no book to plug?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		No book to plug.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything else you'd like to plug?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I owe you a lot for these four hours.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it's the other way around, Art.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		I really do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it certainly has been a pleasure having you on the air.
		And I hope you have a restful sleep.
		Are you normally a stay-up-late kind of person?
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		But I find no trouble staying awake for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend.
		We'll do it again then sometime.
		Take care.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		All right, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, Father.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
father charles moore ▲ ● ▼		Blessed by.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Well, well, well, well.
		That, folks, was Father Charles L. Moore.
		And as I said to him, I don't know how he has stayed hidden from me all this time.
		Wasn't that remarkable?
		Just remarkable.
		To get a copy of this program.
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		And again, my book deal, The Art of Talk, Quickening.
		Autographed copies of both are available for just a little while longer.
		At 1-800-864-7991.
		See I do have books to plug.
		1-800-864-7991 tomorrow night.
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