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unidentified		Welcome to Art Bell, somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast A.M. from November 25th, 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I vid you all.
		Good evening or good morning wherever you may be across this great land of ours.
		Well beyond, from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands out west of the Caribbean in the east, south, and South America, north all the way to the Pole.
		And worldwide on the internet, thank youbroadcast.com.
		This is Coast to Coast AM, and I'm Mark Bell.
		Well, happy Thanksgiving.
		If that's where you are, if you're in one of those time zones, happy Thanksgiving.
		It is now racing across the country toward me and I don't know how many miles an hour.
		I guess it's time zone an hour.
		Maybe.
		It'll be here at midnight, and I will have my Thanksgiving dinner, which I will tell you all about, I don't know, probably about three or four o'clock in the morning.
		That's the way it works around here.
		This household, where we keep rather strange hours.
		Next hour, we're going to be hearing from a prophet.
		His name is Alan Vaughan.
		He's written a new book called Visions of Nostradamus and Other Prophets.
		He is the world's most successful predictor.
		And this is not an idle claim.
		This is not, as I one night said, he builds himself.
		This is, as a matter of fact, documented very carefully.
		And he will obviously come on the air.
		He's a PhD.
		He'll come on the air and will make predictions and talk to us about prediction.
		As a matter of fact, he even says he can teach you how to be a prophet.
		So it should be very interesting.
		Very interesting.
		In the meantime, let us see what is going on in the real world.
		Same old stuff.
		Same O, same O. Independent counsel Kenneth Starr and three of his prosecutors outlined during an interview Wednesday night what they felt were the more troubling aspects of their investigation of the president.
		Starr and his aides, appearing on ABC News 2020, said Clinton's grand jury testimony in August and the discovery last January that in their view the president had tried to influence the testimony of Secretary Betty Curry disturbed them the most.
		From that came the allegations of perjury and jury tampering.
		Clinton Lewinsky answers due.
		This one is interesting.
		House Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry Hyde warned Wednesday he would subpoena answers to 81 questions, not 20, but 81, mind you, that he had sent President Clinton unless the written responses get there by Monday.
		Evidence attorney responded, as the chairman knows full well, we will be providing our response by Friday.
		Officials from both parties say it's very unlikely the panel will consider any articles of impeachment beyond the Monica Lewinsky affair.
		Dr. Jack Kvorkian was released on three-quarters of a million dollars personal bond after being arraigned Wednesday on charges of first-degree murder, criminal assistance to a suicide, and delivery of a controlled substance.
		The prosecutor who charged him, he brought it upon himself.
		This broadcast on 60 Minutes where Kvorkian assisted in the death of a man with Lou Garrett's disease.
		And speaking of disease, here's a sad one.
		Michael J. Fox, who's only 37 years old, currently the star of TV's Spin City, is revealing that he has Parkinson's disease.
		By talking about the incurable disease, he feels he can help himself, his family, and sufferers of that disease.
		He will continue to work on the show.
		37 years old, a pretty tough rap at that age, a little early.
		When Melissa traded keys with her neighbor, she expected her old childhood friend to keep an eye on the home when her family was away and to use them only in an emergency.
		Instead, she and authorities contend Stephen Glover secretly installed a video camera in the attic above her and her husband's bedroom and then later moved the camera into the bathroom.
		Prosecutors say Glover admitted to the taping, but he cannot be prosecuted for it because Louisiana, that's where this happened, New Orleans, has no law against video voyeurism.
		Some states do have laws against it, and it seems to me there ought to be laws against it, and I'm surprised there isn't.
		there is how many of you or what what did What was the scariest movie for you when you were a child?
		For me, it was The Exorcist.
		My God, that movie scared me.
		Still does today.
		Really a scary movie.
		For others, it was Jaws.
		Real Life Jaws.
		Here comes a Real Life Jaws story.
		Sonny Wilson tried desperately to pull his nine-year-old stepson away from whatever seemed to be pulling him beneath the waves.
unidentified		This is Vero Beach in Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		James Talisman was attacked about 40 yards offshore Saturday as his family and friends from the citrus growing area of Gifford spent the day at the beach about 70 miles north of West Palm Beach on Florida's Atlantic coast.
		The boy's body, headless and armless, was found offshore Sunday.
		A medical examiner later concluded the third grader was killed by a large shark, but did not know what species.
		Wilson said that when he last saw James, the boy's face appeared calm.
		He was looking at me but not saying anything, he said.
		Perhaps he was in shock.
		There was no screaming.
		The last recorded Florida death blamed on a shark took place a decade ago and involved a swimmer diving far from shore.
		So this one rings home kind of like the movie Horrible, huh?
		Check this out.
		Fort Collins, Colorado.
		Intense hurricane activity this year means worse, repeat, worse is on the way in coming seasons, according to Colorado State University forecaster William Gray.
		He says, next year we'll be calling for above average hurricane activity, and we believe this is a reflection of the new hurricane era that we entered in 1995.
		And he went on, we expect this trend to continue, forget this, the next few decades.
		Gray, a professor of atmospheric sciences who has issued hurricane forecasts now for 15 years, said he thinks the Atlantic Basin is in for years of increased hurricane activity.
		Well, you may recall when we had Evelyn Paglini on the program, we discussed, you see, out here where I live, you're allowed to bet on NFL football games, and I do bet on NFL football games.
		And my, everybody's got their nemesis, and for me, I can never win bets, albeit small, because I bet small bets.
		I can never win bets that involve the Kansas City Chiefs.
		They always screw me up.
		It doesn't matter what I, if I bet on them, they lose.
		If I bet against them, they win.
		And inevitably, they screw me up just by a point or two on the spread.
		That's the important part out here.
		Win or lose.
		And so, jokingly, six weeks ago or so, when I had Evelyn on the show, I asked if it were possible to put a curse on a professional football team so they would fumble the ball and not do well.
		And they lost the next six consecutive games.
		I get a lot of hate mail from Kansas City.
		Let me tell you.
		I get a lot of hate mail from Kansas City.
		So here's what I have to say.
		Number one, all I did was discuss putting on a curse.
		I did not put on a curse.
		Now, it could be, I haven't, of course, asked, but it's possible that Evelyn went ahead, based on my question and did that herself.
		I don't know.
		I would have to ask her.
		But I want to tell you that I did not request, I simply inquired about whether it would be possible to place curse upon a professional football team.
unidentified		We lost six in a row.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I had a young lady today send me something pleading saying, come on, they're already out of the playoffs.
		Layoff already.
		This is interesting.
		It's typical of what I get.
		Art, just wanted to say thank you for your awesome program.
		I work the graveyard shift at a jail in Nashville, Tennessee.
unidentified		A jail?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I listen to you every night.
		As a matter of fact, I've even got inmates listening to you, and we always have great conversations afterwards.
		Hell, they like your show better than cops.
		You know, somehow I wouldn't have thought, that's from Jim, a correctional officer, I wouldn't have thought cops would have been inmates' favorite show, but I guess it is.
		So I take precedence even over cops.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I'm going to be here live throughout the Thanksgiving holiday, tonight, tomorrow, whatever the holiday is.
		And next week I will take a day or two off, and I'm going to make a very quick trip up to Vancouver where I'm going to do an episode of Millennium.
		Really looking forward to that.
		In this episode of Millennium, I'm not going to say any more about it.
		I get to play myself, which one would think would be easy, right?
		Getting to play yourself.
		Art Bell, the talk show host.
		I don't know when it's going to air, and I don't have the answer to any of those questions, but I know it's going to tape next week, so I will be doing that.
		We'll be right back.
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		Let's talk a little bit about the shadow government.
		Do you believe it's there?
		Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like, you know, giant players of chess.
		But it isn't.
		We don't have the government anymore.
		What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies.
		But we have no representation in that government.
		So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
		So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
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		We've lost people in wars with UFOs.
		You know, we spend a lot of time honoring our heroes, and we have heroes that we don't know about.
		It's disturbing to that extent because we haven't debt the people who've defended us and we'll never know who they are.
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		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from November 25th, 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, this last Sunday on Dreamland, I interviewed the producer of the movie Somewhere in Time.
		Remember that?
		Christopher Reeves, Jane Seymour, my God, what a movie is my favorite movie.
		See this today.
		Dear Art, have you ever noticed that the movie Somewhere in Time does not contain the usual disclaimer at the end of the picture?
		Well, you know, the essence of the disclaimer that this movie is not based on real persons or events or any seeming relationship to real persons living or dead is coincidental.
		You've seen that, right?
		Oh, yes, I have.
		The movie credits bear no such disclaimer at all.
		Have you ever researched to see if there was any basis of this movie perhaps being a true story?
		Notice this.
		The movie is based on a book by Richard Matheson called Bid Time Return, that's true.
		The first name of the author of this book, who also coincidentally is the one who wrote the screenplay, is the same as the main character in the movie.
		In other words, Richard.
		Coincidence?
		Well, in this movie, the old professor who wrote the book about his experience with time travel is G. Finney.
		Initial G, last name Finney, who in the movie wrote a book called Travels in Time.
		Now, there is a real author named Jack Finney who wrote the book Invasion of the Body Snatchers, which later also became a movie.
		Jack Finney also wrote the book called Time and Again, a very similar name, the author, to the movie character, G. Finney.
		Now, to make things even more interesting, the book by Jack Finney, Time and Again, is a novel.
		Remember that Father Malachi Martin wrote a novel, Winds Webhouse, that depicts a true story in the form of a novel so the author will not anger the powers that be.
		The author pretends the subject matter is fiction.
		He probably will live a bit longer, if you get my drift.
		Storyline, perhaps a true story disguised as a novel in time and again.
		It's about a man who is part of a secret government experiment until Einstein's theory of time is sent back to the 1800s, ends up meeting and falling in love with a woman.
		He travels in time by willing himself to a different time period, just like the movie.
		That is nothing short of remarkable.
		That's James.
		I won't give your last name, James.
		James, who put that together.
		And I must tell you, that absolutely grabbed my imagination, James.
		And I have long considered that somewhere in time did, in fact, depict more than was apparent in what was thought to be a simple story told for the silver screen.
unidentified		So could it be?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet it could be.
		And now I'm really thinking about it somewhere in time based perhaps on a true story.
		I've got the case laid out right here.
		Thank you, James.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		This is Premier Networks.
		That was Art Bell hosting Coast to Coast AM on this Somewhere in Time.
		In the ocean dock and the virgin view, I'm driving rhythm clear, when I was cold and rattled through.
		In the movie of the night, shadow behind the dream is here.
		Be in the lantern light.
		Breathe out and be another night.
		But you're all the way.
		Let's be planning ongetting.
		The world is a world of power.
		Oh, look down to the shady road, come the shadows.
		The tide ripping on the shoulder night.
		In the springtime of the young river into fields, where the pillar plays for you, come behind the path to landing.
		The crowd made it over the night.
		Mama!
		Waterloo, let's hold it in surrender.
		Oh, yeah.
		That night has left my destiny in quieting the way.
		But for the history, we go from the jail.
		And for the Lord, we be there.
		Waterloo, I'll defeat you all the way.
		Waterloo, promise I'll love you forevermore.
		Waterloo, goodness gave me my waterloo.
		Waterloo, knowing my faith is to be you.
		Waterloo, finally gave me my waterloo.
		Waterloo!
		Waterloo, finally gave me my waterloo.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from November 25th, 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought James made a particularly compelling case for Somewhere in Time, perhaps being more than just a movie.
		And I would urge any of you, as I have over the years, and it's been years now, to get a chance, go to your video store, if you have one, and ask them for a movie called Somewhere in Time.
		You'll never be sorry.
		It is a remarkable, wonderful love story.
		It's not what I would traditionally call a chick's click because I don't gravitate toward those at all.
		It's for everybody.
		Everybody.
		And then again, it has to do with time travel and in a way that I suspect actually may be possible.
		All right, we'll be right back with Open Lines.
unidentified		it's going to be an interesting night tonight well You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		tonight featuring coast to coast a m from november twenty-fifth nineteen ninety-eight Okay, here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Unscreened, talk radio, expect anything.
		Oh, don't forget, we're going to tell ghost stories all night.
		Friday night, Saturday morning.
		I promised you I would do that.
		I'm about a week late, but I'm doing it.
		Friday night, Saturday morning, a good night for it, incidentally.
		We will tell nothing but true ghost stories.
		If you have one, prepare it.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Monty and Linwood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Monty.
unidentified		Hey, a couple weeks ago, you were asking if anybody's bought the new CC radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Has anybody called in?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as a matter of fact, I've had a million taxes and emails, but it's problematic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, anybody managing to get in, do you have one, Monty?
unidentified		Yep, I just received it yesterday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And okay, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Monty.
unidentified		Man, it's great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is the single most powerful AM radio ever produced.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have never seen anything like it.
unidentified		Yeah, I am really surprised because I got the GE Super 3.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there you go.
unidentified		And the ATS 818.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		There's no comparison.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I know.
		It tears them up.
		It tears them up.
unidentified		And that's the way we planned it.
unidentified		Yeah, and I even talked to Bob today about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you did?
unidentified		Yeah, I congratulated him on it and told him he did a superb job on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it seems like AM radio has been so long ignored now by radio manufacturers who turn out mediocre products.
		And of course, you mentioned a couple of very good ones.
		Another one would be the Sony or the Grundig series.
		They're pretty good.
		And then there's a lot of mediocre stuff out there.
		And the only thing that was up in the really superb category was the GE, in my opinion.
		And this thing stomped it.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		You know, I put two of them side by side.
		I was going through the dials, picking up the weak stations.
		And guess what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't have to guess.
		I have one too, my friend.
		Yeah.
		All right.
		I appreciate the accurate comment and praise.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm also using the Sanyo phone right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would never have.
		You see, folks, do you hear that?
		This man is on a Sanyo phone right now, a spread-spectrum digital phone.
		And did you hear me comment, gee, you're on a portable phone?
		No, because I didn't know.
unidentified		Because they're that good.
unidentified		Yeah, they're great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so I don't know what to say.
		I mean, what I tell about his products are the truth.
		You pay more, but on the other hand, you get a lot more.
unidentified		Yeah, and boy, I've been buying a lot from him lately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a good reason to do that.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		But anyway, have a nice Thanksgiving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You too, sir.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		No, there's good reason to do that.
		I mean, they are exactly what we say they are, these products.
		God, I hate those old portable phones.
		I really, I just, I hate them.
		Anyway, don't get me started on that.
		Well, Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bark in Wisconsin.
unidentified		How are you tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite well, thank you.
unidentified		Listening to you on KAAY, and I'm calling in with just a quick update on a new C-Crane radio.
		You too?
		I am picking you up on no less than 11 channels.
		600, 70 out of New York, 790, 890, 1100, and 1110.
		Wow.
		Beautiful.
		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		It is an amazing radio.
		Here, a couple of days ago, I asked for some calls, and now I get them delayed.
		Yeah, I understand that.
unidentified		But anyhow, have a happy Thanksgiving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and good morning.
		What's going on here?
		Two in a row.
		People are going to think it's a setup.
		It's not.
		This radio is an astounding radio.
		This new CC radio, it's taken everybody by storm.
		And well, it should.
		This radio literally, you know, when you say it hears radio stations that other radios don't even know are there, that's not brag.
		That's fact.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, extinguish your radio, please.
unidentified		It's off.
		Is this Art Bell?
		Yes, sir.
		Yeah.
		I just wondered.
		I've been listening for a while.
		I was just wondering if you had heard what PETA is doing.
		Who?
		A group for ethical treatment of animals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, PETA?
unidentified		Yes.
		They're going around to movie theaters.
		Yes.
		And tomorrow and giving people literature trying to get them to eat a tofu turkey instead of turkey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A tofu turkey?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		A tofu turkey?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I lived in the Orient for 10 years.
		Do you know how much tofu I ate?
		No.
		I ate about a thousand turkeys worth of tofu.
		There is no way in hell that I'd eat a tofu turkey.
		Now, I have sympathy with some of Peter's thoughts about the treatment of animals.
unidentified		Oh, I definitely agree on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But they can take their tofu turkeys and stuff them.
unidentified		Yeah, I just thought that was humorous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, unless you had to eat one.
unidentified		Yeah, normally I wouldn't even be able to call.
unidentified		I work third shift.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you're off now.
unidentified		Well, they had me work second shift today instead of third.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everything gets weird going, you know, everything sort of grounds on Wednesday ahead of Thanksgiving.
		Everything kind of, about midday, begins to drag to a halt, you know?
		Business drags to a halt.
		Everybody goes away, and everything sort of stops.
		But that's why I decided to work through the holiday.
unidentified		Yeah, I wanted to rec call when you had that guy from the Satanist on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Church of Satan, to be specific.
unidentified		He's saying that his group defines Satanism.
		I'm sorry.
		There was groups around long before Christianity that claimed the same things as Satanists.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that may be, but I mean, in modern days, certainly Anton LeVay and the Church of Satan is, if you can call it that, the mainstream Satanist group.
unidentified		Yeah, I haven't read the book.
		A friend of mine was telling me about it, but some of his views I just felt were quite humorous.
		I'm a Christian myself, but...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		and that explains it.
		He was more, you know, he struck me as more of a humanist than a Satanist.
		He didn't really...
unidentified		Yeah, that's why I didn't understand.
unidentified		I heard his reasoning no matter what he said, they would still call him a Satanist, but still, why use the label?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he does do, on the other hand, thank you, the ritual, and I don't know if the photograph is still up on the website or not, but I'll tell you he's one scary-looking dude.
		Bald, shaved head, sitting there with a doll with pins stuck in it.
		Pretty scary stuff.
		But I think a little dramatic license, perhaps.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Oh, good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, good morning to you.
unidentified		Happy Thanksgiving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Did I hear someone say the other day that Ramona's birthday was on the 24th?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		When's your birthday?
unidentified		I thought I heard somebody say happy birthday to Ramona the other day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that it was belated.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		I thought maybe we were twins.
		I wanted to ask you, the last time you had Stephen Greer on, and there was another gentleman on with him, and they were talking about, well, for lack of a better word, this new perpetual motion machine?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Free energy, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know Stephen Greer owes us an update.
unidentified		Well, they were supposed to, like, the next week, weren't they, make some kind of big announcement?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and I didn't hear it, but of course.
unidentified		I didn't either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I got rather occupied.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I will contact Stephen Greer, and we'll see if we can get a follow-up.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
		Have a good night.
		First-time caller line, you are on air.
		Good morning.
		Hello.
		Going once.
unidentified		Yeah, good morning, Art.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		It's off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Southern California.
		Okay.
		And I need to tell you this, and I'm going to tell you now.
		I was recently down in Mexico City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I was hanging out with friends.
		And some of his friends know some people in the media.
		And they told him that there are some people coming from not our planet, but another solar system.
		Coming here to take them somewhere.
		I don't know.
		And everyone's telling the relatives goodbye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Mexico now.
unidentified		Yeah.
		This is from since August I found out the information.
		So it's going to be a year from August.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A year from August.
		Well, okay, I appreciate that.
		I hear all kinds of dates.
		The one circulating around the States now is that there is going to be a landing December 6th or 7th.
		Those are the dates I'm hearing.
		Some kind of landing.
		But we get a lot of dates.
		They come, they go.
		And still the saucers don't land.
		Nevertheless, you've got to imagine one of these days, they might.
		Very persistent rumor of the 6th or the 7th.
unidentified		Even Richard Hoagland has been mentioning it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's for the Rockies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Hey, man, I haven't talked to you for years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Years?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, not since O.J. Simpson was on trial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My gosh.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		This is Kevin in Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of product endorsements, you were saying you are a little overweight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am, yes, yes, I have.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Have you been taking your Kaito Slim product?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I have not yet.
		No, I have not yet.
		What I have done is stopped eating as much.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that'll help, I would imagine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I may give Kaito Slim a try.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My understanding is it does work, but that is one I haven't tried yet.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was thinking about trying it myself, but I just wanted to see if you had that, any personal experience with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How heavy are you?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm just, I don't know.
		I always say, you know, people refer to spare tires.
		I always say I've just got more of a bit of a hubcap at this point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a full spare tire.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think.
		At least I feel that way.
		I mean, it doesn't look that bad, but I really need to do something about it one of these days.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, gosh, this is the first time I've tried to call you.
		Like I said, a few years, and I just got right through.
		So I don't really have much else to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate you saying that much.
		When I was a kid, I was skinny.
		Boy, was I skinny.
		I mean, I looked deathly skinny.
		I was always skinny.
		And then somehow when I got older, that changed.
		I think that what happened is that, you know, I've got a very sedentary job.
		I sit here and I talk.
		That's what I do.
		Or I sit and play on ham radio.
		Or I sit and work on electronics.
		Or I sit and read.
		But whatever I do has sit in front of it.
		And that's the main problem.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, good evening, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes to you too, sir.
unidentified		This is Mike in Phoenix listening to KRXS FM 97.3.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yeah, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good doing.
unidentified		Okay.
		A couple of things I wanted to mention.
		First of all, USA Network News is on just every hour here between your program.
		And tonight, just as it came on, you remember Flip Wilson?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Yeah, he just died from a bout of liver cancer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that.
unidentified		Yeah, me too.
unidentified		Just thought I'd mention that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Michael J. Fox with Parkinson's at 37?
unidentified		That's hard to believe.
		That's almost an old age disease.
		My dad had it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's genetic.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		They think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess most of these diseases, frankly, are genetic, and eventually they'll get a handle.
unidentified		Yeah, I hope so.
		I hope so.
		The other thing I wanted to mention was I missed your show on Monday night and usually give a news update.
		Did you take note of the cold snap in Europe?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		Well over 80 dead now in the coldest winter in Europe in years and years.
		Yeah, the weather, look, I think we're past a discussion about what's going on.
		The weather is changing.
		Absolutely is changing.
		Profoundly changing from the norms.
		Now, whether it is some sort of cycle or not, I don't know if we're going to be alive long enough to know.
		But I think for the rest of our lives, expect change from what we have known.
unidentified		Well, I grew up in Minnesota where we get the Arctic winds coming down, but now I've spent the past 25 years and the other half of my life living in the Sonoran desert.
		So I've seen some extremes.
		But, you know, like I was just thinking about 60, 70 mile an hour winds for nearly two days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's hard to believe.
unidentified		I know.
unidentified		It's hard to imagine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but it's true.
unidentified		It's hard to imagine having to live through that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we get them from time to time here in the desert, and it's okay if you're prepared.
		And when you live in the desert, you know every now and then you get very high winds.
		And so everything is made and constructed to withstand that kind of wind.
		In the northwest, it's not quite the same.
		They've got a lot of trees.
		They've got a lot of buildings and signs that are not used to that kind of wind.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, yeah.
unidentified		Well, hey, great shows.
		Glad I had a chance to talk to you, and you have a great Thanksgiving.
		You do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Everybody out there, have a good Thanksgiving, and don't overdo it lest you too begin to grow spare tire.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, how you doing, Art?
		I'm fine.
		Hi, I'm Matt.
		I'm out in Massachusetts.
		Okay.
		I was listening to your show the other evening with the Reverend Andre Sussinger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
unidentified		The Church of the Church of Satan here.
		Yep.
		And I had some beefs with his argument of, well, I differ with your opinion on him being a humanist.
		Really?
		Well, my argument was he was kind of elusive when people were asking questions about his rituals.
		And he really didn't get into that very much, saying that it was pretty much a lot of symbolisms involved there.
		I too agree with you that he was holding back.
		Yeah, that had something a problem with.
		He definitely stated that he didn't believe in the entity of Satan so much as but then when he was asked what they believed in, what they practiced, and they said they followed in the shadow of Satan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he also, at the end of the program, you probably didn't hear it, but he did the old traditional Hail Satan thing.
unidentified		Yeah, so there's...
		Yeah, exactly.
		Well, my belief, or my argument, is that, you know, one of your callers called in and said basically that the whole purpose, if someone was to believe that Satan did exist, that they would one of the main goals would be if they could pretend toward make people believe that there was no Satan, i.e.
		that there would be no God, so therefore that Satan would have won that battle there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, it is interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		i had holland on who was a real fire-breathing satanist and she didn't bother people nearly so much as did the church of satan fellow and it's because he was saying there is no god there is no satan and yet everybody sort of believe that he was done lying a little bit about
unidentified		Well, I think it's because he tried to portray it as more of an intellectual movement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe that's it.
unidentified		And more of a subterfuge there is, you know, that they're about a philosophy that has nothing to do with darkness and, you know, what people immediately conjure up with the term Satanism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		All right, we've got a break here.
		And, you know, when the genetics are all finally unraveled, this is going to become possible.
		Here she is, Crystal.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast A.M. from November 25th, 1998.
		Come over, you.
		You found someone.
		And don't admit my brown eyes blue.
		I'll be back when you're gone.
		I will cry all night long Say it is all you do And don't let me go I will cry all night long
		And I know you're my favorite, you're my favorite thing.
		Keep me in the comfortable place.
		We'll be happy and we'll be taking the love from the death of the new way.
		My feelings come to you.
		There ain't nothing we can do with me.
		Feeling good.
		Feeling fine.
		Oh, baby.
		Let me feel you, baby.
		Oh, I feel a beauty, baby.
		Oh, but I...
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		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from November 25th, 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good evening.
		If it's morning, then happy Thanksgiving, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell.
		And this is Coast to Coast AM live on Thanksgiving.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a show I have coming up for you.
		Dr. Alan Vaughan.
		Actually, the only living person profiled in the new book, Visions of Nostradamus and Other Prophets, the only living person profiled in there.
		Everybody else has already passed on.
		The chapter devoted to Dr. Vaughan entitled The Most Successful Predictor chronicles Vaughan's 20 years of work with the Central Premonitions Registry.
		I'm familiar with that.
		As a matter of fact, an organization run by A New York Times staffer from 1968 through 88 out of 3,500 people from 28 countries who registered predictions, he was judged as having the greatest number of detailed predictions come true.
		Vaughn's accuracy has been proven time and time again.
		A skeptical newsman, Henry Chase, analyzed all psychic predictions from many psychics published in the National Enquirer in 1969, found that Vaughan was 54% accurate compared to the runner-up who managed only 10% accuracy.
		Vaughan's predictions include, well, so many things.
		The Watergate scandal, the record-breaking deadly floods brought by Hurricane Agnes in 72.
		The most accurate psychic first came to prominence in 1968 while doing a research project in prophetic dreaming at a German parapsychology institute.
		Vaughan saw in a dream that Robert Kennedy would be assassinated.
		On May 25th, in fact, that's May 25th, he wrote a dream researcher, Dr. Stanley Kippner, to pass on a warning to Kennedy.
		Unfortunately, the letter was received June 5th, the day before the assassination.
		Still too late, I guess.
		Another detailed prediction published in Fate magazine in 93 recently was fulfilled in Russia when Mr. Primakov became premier, taking over the task of managing the Russian economy.
		It's quite a task, perhaps impossible.
		Vaughn's prediction, a man named Eugenie Primakov, will take over managing the Russian economy.
		Now, Dr. Vaughan is sharing his secrets in his own brand new book, Doorways to Higher Consciousness.
		And this book teaches people how to contact higher spiritual guidance and gain the gifts of spirit, such as prophecy and healing.
		The book is based on Vaughn's 30 years of experience of teaching over 10,000 people how to develop their spiritual and psychic abilities.
		So in a moment, we're going to be speaking with Dr. Vaughan.
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		It's way out there.
		These groups of extraterrestrials that are unfriendly, many of which are hiding down there at the bottom of the ocean, why don't they want us to know about this?
		We've lost people in wars with the UFOs.
		You know, we spend a lot of time honoring our heroes, and we have heroes that we don't know about.
		It's disturbing to that extent because we have a debt to people who've defended us, and we'll never know who they are.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from November 25th, 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now comes Dr. Alan Vaughan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Vaughan, how does it feel to be the only living person profiled in a book about Nostradamus?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope I don't join the others too soon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		to be here how does one Your doctorate is in what?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		In therapeutic counseling, which is really parapsychology.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I studied at an institute in Montreal and got my actual degree through the Open International University in Sri Lanka.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sri Lanka?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How does one even begin in this field?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I began as a skeptic.
		I was a textbook editor, editing books on science, chemistry and physics, that sort of thing, back in the mid-60s.
		And I began to have psychic experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a skeptic?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was really puzzled by it.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I thought it was impossible because the skeptics have written all these books saying it was impossible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		So I began to investigate if this is really true, especially precognition, seeing into the future.
		One of the first things that happened, well, a fellow editor enticed me into getting a Ouija board, and we were sneakingly playing it in the office.
		Really?
		And we just had a subway strike there in New York, and she asked me, well, what's the next thing that's going to hit New York?
		And the message that came on the board was, a blizzard.
		And then it gave the exact dates for the beginning and end of the blizzard, which came a few months later.
		and for the worst blizzard in 80 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At this point, you are not recording your...
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I thought, how on earth is that possible?
		And then I began to research the topic and was introduced to Eileen Garrett, who is a medium and the founder of the Parapsychology Foundation in New York.
		And she invited me to use her library, and I did.
		And then one day she invited me to lunch and said, well, how are you doing?
		And I said, well, I've run out of books.
		I've got to find people now who can do this.
		And so she gave me a grant to go to Europe to consult with mediums, particularly to see if they could predict the future.
		And also I studied in Germany prophetic dreams.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now you're documented at 54% accuracy.
		a lot of people might sit out there and say, huh, 54% just over half a big deal.
		But what they're not thinking about is...
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, these are the detailed predictions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's your choice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is a detailed prediction of a future event, and that's very, very different.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, the average, I think, is going up a bit, because one of the predictions I made back in 1969, during the Cold War, was that the United States and Russia would join together their space programs.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And that just happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was in 1954?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		No, no, 1969.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		1969, all right, 69.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I made the prediction that Russia and the U.S. would join together in a collaborative space exploration.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		You know, just yesterday or so, the Russians blasted off a rocket with the first piece of the space station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And that the United States is paying for all this.
		How old are you, Doctor?
		I'll be 62 next month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		62.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've been doing this for a while?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did all this begin for you?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		About age 30.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About 30.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a skeptic, are you familiar with this, or you must be, the Psycop people?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They gave me an award.
		The Council for Media Integrity, I'm reading it here, it's on my wall, awarded me the Snuffed Candle Award.
		It says for encouraging credulity, presenting pseudoscience as genuine, and contributing to the public's lack of understanding of the methods of scientific inquiry.
		Signed by Steve Allen, you know, the TV.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see that great and notable scientist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I think he's funnier than he realizes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think you're absolutely correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, as a skeptic, it must have been really, really hard to begin to have things happening to you.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was very painful.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		It was the most painful thing I've ever gone through because I had to change my belief system.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Precisely.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And it was just agonizing because I had been brought up, you know, not to believe in these sort of things.
		And in college, certainty reinforces that, you know.
		And it's still true today.
		You know, 30 years later, colleges always have these skeptical viewpoints.
		They never actually look at the phenomena.
		They just follow the dogma from their professors.
		And so that's why the academic and scientific communities often don't know a damn thing about parapsychology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, stay 100 million miles away from it for fear of ridicule.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, there's a real danger of their losing their job if they get interested.
		Yes, there is.
		But it's something that's so important to us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are familiar, of course, with what occurred to John Mack, Professor Harvard.
		Oh, yes.
		And they virtually keel-hauled him, and he, by the skin of his teeth, held on to his job.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think the president of Harvard, as I recall, said, well, this is really an issue of academic freedom.
		And so that saved the day.
		But, you know, if that lynch committee had had their way, it would have been the beginning of the Black Ages, the Dark Ages again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have interviewed many prophets.
		I have interviewed Gordon Michael Scallion.
		Do you know of Gordon?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And many, many others.
		And some of them have had amazing records of accuracy.
		Others somewhat less amazing.
		Some seem to have a sort of a string of, I won't say lucky, but accurate predictions, and then suddenly they begin to go sour.
		But you seem to have held up over many, many, many years.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I published a series of predictions in 1993 in Fate magazine, and over 70% of those have come true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My word.
		So the first question is, how do these things come to you?
		I interviewed Edgar Casey's son, and so I know quite a bit about that.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, for me, in the beginning, things came spontaneously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How, though?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, feelings, impressions.
		Often somebody would say something, or I'd read something in a newspaper, and it would trigger a feeling of something's going to happen.
		Now, of course, I, and also with dreams, you know, for 30 years I've studied dreams to see what prophetic elements they might contain, especially about my own life.
		And I've gotten really used to doing that.
		But now I find it's just a matter of focus.
		I tune into a person's energy and I can sense things in their future.
		But I have to say it's possible futures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aha!
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		That there's no such thing as perfect prediction.
unidentified		Ah!
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Because people have free will and they're forever-changing things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Gordon Michael, one of the more interesting people that I've interviewed on this subject, would describe his predictive ability this way.
		He would say, I could see three, you could think of it this way, three TV screens.
		And of those three, one would be perhaps brighter, sharper, more contrast, even in color, compared to the other two which were there, much less likely to occur.
		And he would look at the brightest one and say, that's what I think is going to happen, but it's not set in stone, and human will could change it.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I think he's correct in that.
		Of course, people perceive these images somewhat differently.
		I sometimes will see pictures in my mind.
		Sometimes I'll hear things.
		Like five years ago, when I was, somebody asked me about Russia and what's going to happen to The leader of Russia, and I saw that a picture of a riot, but I heard, oh, it's going to be in October.
		There are going to be riots.
		And that's, in fact, what happened.
		And then the name Evgeny came to me.
		And I had studied Russian years ago.
		So as such an uncommon name, I knew, that's got to be right.
		And he's going to be taking over for Yeltsin.
		And now this has happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't seem like Yeltsin has very long to go.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		No, Yeltsin's in the hospital.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		He hasn't got much longer to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's a combination of things, but I often, you know, do you masiness, do you see them, or would you just say that it's sort of a subtle mental image or sense that you get, but you don't, you don't, or do you see clear pictures of the future event?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I don't see pictures as clearly as some people do.
		I'm more oriented toward words.
		I often hear words that will describe the future event.
		I can feel it on a faster vibration.
		It feels different from ordinary thoughts in your head.
		And it's a matter of practice.
		And I've been at this for a long time now, so I've learned how to discriminate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you say it is more than disciplined intuition?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, intuition is a word that I use a lot, but it includes just about everything.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		But actually, disciplined intuition is a good term, but intuition itself, I feel, works through energy that our energy penetrates into the future and shows possibilities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that, of course, brings up the question about the nature of time itself.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it certainly does.
		I've worked out a new theory.
		I've just published it, or just a brief description of it, in the MUFON UFO Journal.
		Really?
		This month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With regard to time?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, with regard to ESP, including precognition, UFOs, aliens, Bigfoot.
		A testable theory that we are extending into other dimensions where time, there is no time.
		And that there are over like 20 research studies that show that during low geomagnetic activity that spontaneous ESP tends to happen more often.
		And I've discovered and I thought, well, this is because maybe we're penetrating into another dimension.
		We're pushing through somehow a barrier to another dimension, a barrier of geomagnetism.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it happening documentably more frequently?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
		It's been increasing.
		I investigated those sightings.
		The times when people see UFOs, they see aliens, Bigfoot.
		Now, this was in collaboration with a researcher in the paranormal, especially a Bigfoot named Peter Cottilla.
		So he was able to find all this data and sent it over to me, and I looked at the tables of geomagnetic activity.
		A physicist friend wrote computer software to analyze all this.
		And so we got a very significant effect that links ESP, precognition, UFOs, all these with other dimensions.
		And that's why time is, shall I say, subjective.
		It doesn't stay put.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, for us, in this dimension, time is precisely linear.
		In other words, I can sit here and watch the clock ticking my life away.
		But I'm very much open to the possibility that there are other dimensions.
		In fact, theoretical physicists in this country now, some of the best minds, are beginning to suggest there are dimensions, perhaps as many as 10 or 12 or more.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, there was a recent article in Scientific American about that.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, also that even that there is another universe, a ten-dimensional universe that's out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		As well as our own ten-dimensional universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		And so our understanding of time, one has to open one's mind to begin to grapple with this, but it may be that in another universe there simply is not linear time as we understand it.
		Period.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, many people have suggested, many scientists have suggested that our consciousness, as it were, creates time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And it can vary, though.
		And I've certainly noticed this, interviewing people who've had very dramatic psychic experiences, or even just emotional experiences.
		No, their watches will stop.
		If you've talked to somebody who's been in a car accident, they always say the same thing.
		Time slowed down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Doctor, hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		My guest is the world's most accurate prophet.
		Verifiably so, Dr. Alan Vaughn.
		I'm Art Bell.
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		Let's talk a little bit about the shadow government.
		Do you believe it's there?
		Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like, you know, giant players of chess.
		But it isn't.
		We don't have the government anymore.
		What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies, but we have no representation in that government.
		So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
		So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
		And it's taken a while to set up, but I think it's set up now and it's working just the way they like it.
		We need a systemic change in order to let the Republic be representative of the people again.
		Now, we take you back to the past on Art Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Art Bell All right, back now to Dr. Alan Vaughan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Dr. Vaughan, I, at the risk of boring my audience who have already heard this, I'm going to tell you a story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you can tell me what happened.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been in radio all my adult life.
		And even prior to being an adult, I was in radio.
		I've always been in radio.
		And this was when I was in Santa Barbara.
		I lived once in Santa Barbara.
		I worked for KDB at that time, a radio station in Santa Barbara.
		And I lived in a garden type apartment.
		And I would come home pretty much banker's hours in the evening and watch the news.
		Anybody in my business has got to watch the news.
		So I've watched the evening news religiously.
		Now, my apartment had a sliding glass door that looked out on the street.
		And for safety's sake, I would park my car on the street directly in front of my sliding glass door.
		And the curtain was drawn.
		And I had come home one night sitting there watching the news.
		And all of a sudden, the only way I can describe this is it came at me in strong waves, kind of like ocean waves, you know, cresting and breaking over your head.
		It was so strong.
		The feeling was, somebody's about to hit your car.
		And here I am in the middle of the news, and I said something I can't, I said, oh, shoot.
		Actually, I said something else.
		And it was so strong and compelling that I got up and I went over and I opened the curtain, I looked out, and there's my car and everything's cool.
		And I say, boy, that was dumb.
		And I go back to the news and I sit down.
		And as soon as I sit down, here it comes again.
		Just wave after wave after wave, so strong.
		This time I said something even stronger, which I won't even go there.
		And I got back up and I went over to the, pulled the curtain aside, opened the sliding door, and I looked at my car.
		It was okay.
		And as I was standing there looking at my car, trying to be sure it was all in one piece, feeling stupid, here comes this guy down the sidewalk, walks down the sidewalk, gets into the car in front of mine, puts It in reverse and slams into my car while I'm watching.
		Now, it freaked me out so badly that I fell to my knees.
		I literally fell to my knees in some kind of shock, but I collected myself enough to get up and yell out, I saw that.
		He said, I'm stopping, I'm stopping.
		But that, I mean, there was no question about that.
		That was a case of precognition.
		I had never had it previously.
		I've never had it since.
		I don't know what brought it on.
		I wouldn't know how to repeat it, but there you are.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's certainly an excellent example of spontaneous premonition.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		But you sense that coming as energy waves, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it was irresistible.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that's the clue, though, that it's like getting information from the future, but it comes in waves through this other dimension.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And I've certainly talked with a huge number of people who've had premonitions like this.
		Sometimes they can save lives, and people act on them.
		But if it were me, you know, after all these years of experience, I think I would have run out and moved my car after that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it were to happen again, I might.
		I just bought a new car, too.
		God, that would make me sick.
		I've got this new Firebird Trans Am.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		But it shows that you've got this capability.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's never happened before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's never happened.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		You haven't opened yourself to it.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		That kind of forced itself on you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it did.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		That could be an awful feeling.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		It often happens with people in dreams.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And in research, there should be some research going on about how this happens, what occurs in our brains to bring this on some way to, or maybe it's not a physical thing, but it's a mental training that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, how could I get control of that?
unidentified		How could I make that happen again?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've been teaching people how to bring these things under control for some time.
		One basic method is learning how to still your mind, how to quiet your mind through meditation and project your mind out of your body.
		In other words, to get in contact with your higher self or the part of you that exists in another dimension.
		And from that perspective, it's much easier to see the possible futures, especially anything emotional.
		Another way is with software.
		I call it psychic reward intuition training software.
		It's cheap, it's only $33, but a number of people have been able to improve their ability to see into the future.
		Essentially, you're shown a wheel on a computer screen and letters of the alphabet segments, and you try to predict where the random computer chip will, which letter it will select.
		And the closer you get to the target, the higher your score and points.
		And this kind of weighted feedback, I call it, enables the majority of people to discipline and train their abilities.
		In other words, they learn to recognize that kind of gut feeling that comes when they're right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we enter a rather interesting area.
		There's work going on at Princeton and an offshoot of work at Princeton, and I've got a piece of software here.
		As a matter of fact, it's called Shape Tech.
		Are you familiar with that at all?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I've heard of it.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I haven't seen it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have that software on the computer right in front of me.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, the stuff that they're using there, of course, is exquisitely done as far as having random processes, but nobody gets better at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's...
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		They use targets.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		You're either right or you're wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but here's the $64 million question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are we predicting, in fact, what the computer will select, or are we affecting what the computer will select?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I think we do both.
		In fact, I think by the very fact of predicting, in a sense you can say that, of direct observation with your consciousness, you change it.
		And so when we predict things in our lives, for instance, we tend to make it happen.
		We fulfill our own prophecies.
		And it goes beyond just our own life.
		But you know, that very question has intrigued me for many years.
		And I believe it's a unitary process.
		And there are a number of other parapsychologists who do as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if I think back on my experience in Santa Barbara, I don't think I caused that man to hit my car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I knew it was going to happen.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		It's a spectrum of experience.
		It goes from one side to perceiving things completely outside of you, that the actors are someone that has nothing to do with you.
		Or like my dream of Robert Kennedy being assassinated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I had nothing to do with it.
		I felt guilty afterwards.
		But then going over to the right side of the spectrum where you are praying for something to happen, you are exerting tremendous energy.
		And you do make it happen.
		And you're predicting it.
		Everybody knows about this, sort of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a listener to my program?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you listened to this program before?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Not too often.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not too often.
		I've done five, maybe six experiments, mass experiments.
		Have you heard about them?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You remember the case of the Phoenix Lights?
		What are they called the Phoenix Lights?
		About two weeks prior to the Phoenix Lights, I had my entire audience stop and concentrate on something Large and alien showing itself over a major American city.
		Two weeks later, Phoenix lights.
		Voila.
		Interesting coincidence.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Interesting thing for new city.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then I followed up by trying it again.
		Two days after the experiment, there were UFOs and Moss seen over Las Vegas close to me.
		Then I thought, I had a fellow on named Neil Slade.
		He said, why don't you try a little weather modification?
		In Florida, they were having terrible fires and drought.
		So we tried it.
		Millions of people concentrating on moisture beginning to build, clouds forming, rain coming and falling.
		Within hours, doctor, with no prediction of rain in the forecast, it rained in Florida.
		Then we tried it in Texas.
		Again, it worked within hours.
		No prediction of rain to be seen.
		And then finally, in British Columbia, where fires were raging, we tried it again, and it worked.
		And you know what?
		At that point, it began to scare me.
		And I said, you know, I'm not so sure we're doing the right thing here.
		And that may be validated.
		They had floods in Texas.
		They went from drought to floods with tremendous damage.
		People said, look at this hurricane coming art.
		Do something about it.
		And I thought, well, if I do, I'm liable to hold that sucker out at sea if we have any effect at all.
		It'll build to a category five, and I will do more damage.
		In other words, I don't know what I'm tampering and playing with.
		I just know that it worked.
		And I'm stopped.
		I'm stuck.
		I don't know whether to proceed and try other experiments.
		I'm so tempted.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it's a little frightening to be in an experimental situation with the weather, which affects, you know, the whole world.
		Yes, sir.
		But you might consider trying to focus, make the smaller effects in laboratory or under conditions that you can rule out chance.
		Certainly there's a very interesting literature about people affecting the weather.
		I recall one report of a young parapsychologist who was visiting Tibet and it was raining one afternoon and they were preparing for some ceremony and so the monks just went out and they started doing their chanting and so on and the rain stopped in a circle in that town square.
		Everywhere else it was still raining.
		And they did their ceremony for a couple of hours and they walked away and the rain started falling again.
		Now that is just not believable by most of Western scientists today.
		But the Tibetan Buddhists are used to using their psychic abilities and they don't panic.
		They're very disciplined about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, Neil Slade came on.
		It all began with this cloud-busting thing.
		I'm sure you've heard of that.
		You go out and you concentrate on one cloud and you try literally with your mind to punch a hole in it.
		And I had a million emails and faxes of people who tried it and said, oh my God, it worked.
		I was able to sit there and concentrate and virtually pick out a cloud and punch a hole in it.
		That is what I guess.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I've heard that story so many times myself.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I think there must be something to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was my feeling, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then would you say that thousands, hundreds of thousands, or millions of minds concentrating on an event like a weather change would be more effective than one person trying to punch a little hole in a cloud?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I think it's possible.
		Again, the literature, of course, is anecdotal, but say in Africa where belief in magic is pretty prevalent, they often do this sort of thing, or rain dances.
		That's what it's for, the American Indians.
		Of course, they're not millions of people.
		But this whole idea, I know a young scientist who's trying to organize people around the world.
		He's got a theoretical basis for how this works, to focus on achieving peace and creating, in other words, the kind of world society that we really need that we can put out the energy to do it.
		We get our minds harmoniously vibrating together.
		On the other hand, I've seen experiments in which a hall of people are trying to make a red light come on and a green light stay off, and nothing much happens.
		It's like they're not used to this, they're not disciplined.
		But groups who've been working together for a time, that's a different matter.
		They've learned how to harmonize their consciousness, and so they can accomplish extraordinary things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that there is any danger in this sort of experimentation?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it depends on what you're trying to do.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I think that fear that you had is kind of the fear of responsibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, weather modifications.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but with a group of people, there's no one person who takes responsibility.
		I'll have to say that I cannot think of experimental situations in the laboratory, experiments in the laboratory that have really done much in this area.
		You know, there's the tradition in spiritualism I write about in my book, Doorways to Higher Consciousness, where a group of people who sit regularly, over years, are able to build up the energy so that entities can materialize from another dimension.
		And everybody can see them.
		But you get people on a bus and ask them, would you please materialize some entity?
		Nothing's going to happen.
		And so it seems that it takes a lot of mental discipline to do this.
		And in the process of learning that mentalism, or that discipline, one also learns how to harmonize with the universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, on the other hand, you know, you might see a group of people trying to win the lottery by getting together and I don't hear anything about it in the newspapers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, on the other hand, it may well be that some of the winners of the lottery did it exactly that way and aren't talking.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think there's a big problem there because there's so many people fighting each other on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		You know, everybody who bought a lottery ticket suddenly decided, oh, we'll just sit down and we're all going to concentrate on Art Bell winning.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And you might have a really good chance, but those other people aren't going to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a thought, actually.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, you can hypnotize them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a thought.
		It's really a thought.
		All right, Doctor, hold on just one moment, and we're going to take a break here at the top of the air, and we'll be right back.
		Soon, we'll get to the phones.
		But the doctor has a prediction coming for California that you're going to need to hear about.
unidentified		In fact, we're going to pick his brain about predictions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We will be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Alan Vaughan, the only living person profiled in the new book, Visions of Nostronomics and Other Prophets.
		Now, Dr. Vaughan is documented to be the most successful predictor in the world alive today.
		And this is all documented by the Central Premonitions Registry, an organization run by a New York Times staffer 1968 through 1988, and again, out of 3,500 people from 28 countries who registered predictions.
		He was judged as having the greatest number of detailed predictions come true.
		In fact, 54%, the next closest out of all those, only 10% accuracy.
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		Let's talk a little bit about the shadow government.
		Do you believe it's there?
		Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like, you know, giant players of chess.
		But it isn't.
		We don't have the government anymore.
		What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies.
		But we have no representation in that government.
		So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
		So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
		And it's taken a while to set up, but I think it's set up now and it's working just the way they like it.
		We need a systemic change in order to let the Republic be representative of the people again.
		You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time, tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from November 25th, 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here is Dr. Alan Vaughan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Vaughn, would it be do you object to the title of prophet?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
		I started out as a researcher and learned how to be psychic, as it were.
		So I play both sides of the street.
		But often, you know, the term prophet has to do with religious prophecy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
		And in fact, the Christians, of course, and I'm sure you've heard this a million times and once, is that why any prophet who is short of 100% accuracy is a false prophet.
		You've heard that, right?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, that's because they don't know anything about theology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, because those Old Testament prophecies that were written after the fact to make the prophet look good.
		So that was, it wasn't the prophet's fault.
		But they just didn't write about the ones that didn't come true.
		That was part of their church doctrine.
unidentified		Theologians know this.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, you know I'm going to ask about prophecies that you have already made that have not yet come true, that lie yet ahead of us.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there's one that we can test real soon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, okay.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I made this on January the 26th of this year on the Intuition Network chat group.
		You interviewed Jeffrey Mishlov recently.
		That's right?
		Yeah, it was Jeffrey's group.
		And it happened when the news media started talking about Ken Starr's investigation of Clinton and said that Clinton will be impeached.
		And the next day, a friend asked me about this.
		I got this tremendous feeling in my solar plexus.
		And I said, no, he's not going to be impeached.
		He's not going to resign.
		And furthermore, Ken Starr is going to be compared with Joseph McCarthy in a witch hunt that backfires.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is exactly what's been happening.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, recently the Los Angeles Times did a story called Sexual McCarthyism.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Alan Dershowitz, the Harvard law scholar, wrote a book just out called Sexual McCarthyism about Ken Starr and Clinton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you sure hit that one on the nose.
		I had another prophet on the program who said that, who obviously missed this one, said that I think President Clinton would be like a man falling off a cliff, hitting each outcropping as he fell.
		That doesn't seem to be the way it's turning out at all.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		No, it's interesting.
		Ken Starr was interviewed tonight by Diane Sawyer.
		He looked a little uncomfortable when she was asking some of those questions like, can I interview you about your sex life?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't see that.
		Oh, of course.
		Must have been priceless.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		A wonderful expression.
		But at any rate, this is coming to a head very soon in Congress.
		The experts are now saying, well, gee, the Republicans haven't got the votes to push an impeachment through, so maybe they'll settle for something else.
		At any rate, the people who were screaming in the media in January that obviously Clinton was going to be impeached or resigned aren't so sure of that anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Last election did that.
		Last election was a real shocker.
		Exactly.
		You know, I said my one comment on the election was on this last election, I said Monica Lewinsky won the election.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		She got more money out of it than anybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		the wages of sin.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Aren't they wonderful?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you have that one on the record and that one appears.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		This came out this year.
		You know, the chapter on prophecy.
		It first began in 1986 when I had a client here in Los Angeles who asked me, when will there be a really big earthquake?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The big one.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that would really hurt my business or something.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And I looked at a mental chart of the years ahead, and 1999 had showed this big peak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And more recently, I felt that it would be centered maybe like 100 or so miles east of Los Angeles, but so strong that it would actually cause more damage here than the Northridge quake did a few years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you actually predict magnitudes?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I did in one case.
		Yeah.
		Well, I called it a moderate, I predicted a moderate quake that would occur in the month of June, and this was like six months in advance.
		This is to a reporter doing a story on me, and the newspaper did a front-page story on it, and they called it a moderate earthquake.
		But it was centered exactly where I said it would be.
		I mean, nobody was injured, but it was, you know, the correspondence of those details, I thought, fulfilled the prediction pretty well.
		But this is the first time I've ever predicted a major earthquake that would kill people and damage buildings and leave things a mess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this one you predict to be about 100 miles from the San Andreas Fault.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Or off the San Andreas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is a big one, all right.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so I mean, I don't feel there's a need to panic about it, but is it the exact date?
		I'm not sure.
		I thought initially it would be like in the early part of the year.
		Coincidentally, I'm going to be going on this Inner Voyage, this Caribbean cruise from February 28th through March the 7th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're getting out of Dodge.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, this was arranged by the Inner Voyage people, it might be happening then, though a friend who talks with my spirit guide, Lee Seung, says that Lee Seung talked to one of his advisors.
		He said, oh no, it's going to happen in December, December, 19th or something.
		So we'll see.
		I'm actually going to wait until December next month and then take another look at this whole thing to see what details I can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		say take another look do you go into a state of meditation which is yet the state of heightened consciousness uh...
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		in which very And so the thing that they'll pay attention to, then I can bring through pretty accurately.
		And of course there's another measure as well.
		If people in Southern California start having dreams about a major earthquake, then we can be fairly certain it's coming close.
		And this has been documented.
		Oh, there was in 1967, a coal chip in the little town of Aberfan in Wales came down and buried the schoolhouse.
		All those kids were killed.
		But there were a number of people who had premonitions of this, mostly in dreams, including one kid who died, who told his mother the night before, I saw something black coming down over the schoolhouse.
		He says, never mind, just go off to school, you know.
		But at any rate, we seem to operate, especially in our dreams, to detect any possible dangers.
		It's part of our hereditary evolutionary skills.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I always ask people like yourself whether you think that we have always had this ability.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, whether long ago when we were more spiritual, closer to the earth, this ability was more pronounced, and or whether in the process of evolution, if that's what you believe, we are increasingly becoming more psychic.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, there hasn't been any serious evolution, you know, biologically for hundreds of thousands of years, probably, but the very fact that this information comes mostly in pictures and feelings rather than words, I think indicates a very ancient origin.
		And my theory about it is that the people, our ancestors who had dreams about being attacked by a tiger and woke up and ran or climbed in a tree or something, they're the ones who survived when the tiger attacked.
		And the people who said, oh, it's just the dream, they were the ones that got eaten.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Funny thing about dreams is, though, even in Los Angeles, large as the area is, a lot of people might have dreams about an earthquake, and they'd wake up in the morning and they'd say, damn, what a nightmare.
		No, thank you.
		And, you know, by the time they've had their second cup of coffee, they've already forgotten about it.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are some people, though, who do maintain a tiny, tiny percentage, dream diaries.
		I work with a group here in Santa Monica.
		We meet every other Tuesday.
		It's part of the Intuition Network's in-reaching intuition local groups.
		And so we keep track of our dreams and we share them and discuss them.
		And of course there's the Association for the Study of Dreams.
		It's all over the world now.
		And so there are people who do monitor dreams, but it's still a very small, tiny thing.
		But it's especially people who have a track record, have a history of premonitions and dreams, or other ways too, when they began to feel nervous, when they began to have dreams of something in their own life being affected by earthquakes.
		That's the time to listen very carefully.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take note.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		how big do you think this earthquake is going to be you said uh...
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		it will Right.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And there, as I said before, greater damage than the Northridge quake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would mean if the epicenter was 100 miles from Los Angeles east of, that some areas of the desert would be really devastated.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the figure I got was like an 8 point, or maybe 7.8, something on that order that would be huge for Southern California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it would.
		7.8, 8.0.
		Devastating.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think it was an 8.0 that did in San Francisco, back in 1905, early part of the century.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that's correct, yes.
		Now, what do you do with that information other than perhaps come on a show like mine where obviously your prediction is registered or register it with someone?
		Do you go to the authorities?
		I mean, to know something like this, to have knowledge of this with your track record, you have a responsibility, don't you, to do something.
		I mean, go to the authorities or what?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, the authorities will say, well, nobody can predict earthquakes.
		And they've said that many times, including themselves.
		They can't predict earthquakes, so they assume that nobody can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know who Jim Board is?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Gordon Michael Scallion, I think, I know he's made a number of attempts.
		Yes.
		He'll talk about Windows possibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And the fact that he's been wrong a number of times about this is not a reflection, I think, on his predictive ability, but rather on the changing probabilities.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about Jim Birkeland?
		The geologist?
		You know about him?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Yes, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, he uses a rather unusual method.
		He watches newspapers for lost animals.
		And when the number of lost animals doubles or triples, goes up significantly, he will predict an earthquake.
		And of course, he's been dead on.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, for certain kind of earthquakes.
		Of course, you know, the Chinese have been, they were quite successful in predicting one earthquake that happened in a certain way.
		But that's a devastating one.
		They didn't have a clue about it.
		Right.
		And so, I mean, that's part of the problem, is that earthquakes are caused in different ways.
		So what my hope is, is that scientists will start taking this seriously, and instead of standing there with their arms folded and peering down over their glasses at these people that call themselves psychics, being judgmental, that they'll try to work with them so as to create a new science of seismology.
		I think there's so much more to be learned, and that the present physical methods have petered out.
		They just, you know, don't seem to go anywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the big problem, of course, is repeatability.
		The scientists, they want repeatability.
		If they see it happen once, they say, hmm, interesting.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Let's see if we can prove it.
		I recall some scientists, earthquake scientists, felt confident finally that a certain area of earthquake would repeat every 16 years.
		So they said, oh, yeah, they cleared out the area.
		Nothing happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing happened.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And I think lately they've been kind of quiet about making predictions because they've been embarrassed so many times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's yours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, 99, either early or as late as possible.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, as I say, in December, I'll take a closer look at this and see now what the current possibilities are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		California is not falling in the ocean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of buildings now.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, that whole thing was started by a geologist who wrote a little pamphlet about Edgar Casey's predictions.
		And what Casey had said was that there will be inundation by earthquakes, meaning a lot of earthquakes.
		But the geologist put in the word cause by making it sound like a water inundation.
		And that started it.
		So I don't think California is in any danger whatever of falling into the sea.
		I think all those predictions have just become part of the cult shared predictions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And in some cases, wishful thinking.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I think sometimes too.
		And it's been demonstrated that people will project their own anxieties and worries and their own perhaps disastrous futures into predictions like this.
		There was a psychic living in San Francisco, a Dutch psychic named Elizabeth Steve, for instance, who caused an uproar in 1968 with her visions of an earthquake that would destroy San Francisco.
		This was a column, newspaper column, and she gave a date for it.
		And suddenly, other psyches were coming out of the woodwork after the word got around and saying the same thing.
		Well, on that day, oh, she was so terrified that she moved to Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Las Vegas?
unidentified		Yeah.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		But on that day, she died.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She died on that day?
unidentified		Yes, of some rare disease.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		So it was the personal projection of her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's a remarkable story.
		Hold on, doctor.
		Dr. Alan Vaughan is my guest.
		By record, he is the world's most successful predictor, and he'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, when you think about it, to be documented by an organization to be 54% accurate with regard to very specific predictions is way beyond any possibility of chance.
		And that is exactly the case with my guest, Dr. Alan Vaughn.
		We're going to ask him about a few other areas like our economy, our ecology, and war.
		All things that would seem to be predictive targets, you know, big things that occur.
		And I'm told by many who are prophets that the biggest things are really the easiest to predict.
		Although I must say the story he just told me about that lady who keeled over dead on the day she had predicted an earthquake takes me back a little.
		Back is what will be in a moment.
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		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from November 25th, 1998.
		Music Dr. Vaughan, welcome back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are going to go to phones in a bit here, but I want to ask you about several areas.
		One of obvious interest to everybody is our economy.
		The stock market fell a couple thousand points through the summer, has now come back, hit a new record high.
		Any thoughts on our economy looking into the future?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Well, in January, a client of mine asked me about the market, and I said that the Dow Jones would finish the year at over $9,100, but that there would be a decline in the middle of the year, I thought around August.
		And I see, you know, somebody sent me a paper, one of these stock report things, dated, I think, in December.
		They said, oh, yeah, this dollar is going down to 5,800.
		Well, it just hit 9,300 now.
		Yes, it did.
		So I feel that we may have a little slump, but it was, I still go with my original prediction.
		It would be over 9,100, between 9,100 and 1,000.
		10,000, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		10,000.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		So I think, and in general, I feel for the next two years we'll be doing fine.
		And then at that point, I think there's a large possibility of a recession.
		But it's not set yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've gone through the longest period that I know of in our history while I've been alive of not having a recession.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The recessions used to come on a fairly regular basis, and we've held it off somehow.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, well, see, it's interesting.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I heard earlier in your show predictions about the year 2000 problem with computers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, my feeling is that the real problem is not from computer malfunction, but from but because in the year 2000 it'll be a solar maximum.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		You know, the 11-year solar cycle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, listen.
		And actually, that's half the solar cycle.
		A full cycle is 22 years.
		A little bit.
		at any rate the air air every eleven years ago we're headed toward a And do you know that in the last, oh, I don't know, six days, we've had four or five X-class flares.
		The sun is really going bananas.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I believe in the year 2000 we're going to have a magnetic flare that is going to disrupt communications considerably everywhere, including computers.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Though I think we'll also be forewarned of that with this new satellite they have keeping an eye on the sun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's called SOHO.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		So I think that's technically, of course, the satellite itself might be knocked out, but that'll give us a clue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, when Soho goes suddenly silent, look out.
		Something's on the way, I guess.
		I don't know what I'd do.
		I'd cry.
		I've got about six computers in the house, and I'd probably be running around looking for lead shielding or something.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, if you turn them off, I think that's a big help.
		At any rate, I think we'll be able to handle that.
		My sense of the future is opposite the gloom and doom I hear so often.
		I've been reviewing predictions for 30 years.
		I spent time in the British Museum Library, New York Public Library, libraries in Germany, looking over books on prophecy, back to the beginning of printing.
		And you see these cycles of everybody's predicting gloom and doom, and most of it's based on the Bible, on the book of Revelation.
		And so once somebody takes that as the expectation, and now all they're trying to do is figure out the exact date, you know, it's no longer prophetic.
		It's a logical thing, and it never works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Not to go the other direction, but let's, the ecology, our ecology, a lot of very interesting, worrisome things are occurring with our ecological system on Earth right now.
		We have unbelievable air pollution in many parts of the world.
		And when I say unbelievable, I was in Bangkok where about half the traffic cops have lung disease.
		I mean, it's really that bad.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Your eyes being lungs hurt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's terrible.
		We have pieces of ice breaking off in the Antarctic and apparent global warming.
		We have ozone thinning.
		We have all kinds of nasty things going on.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm going to say the brightening thing here.
		In fact, I'm in the process of writing a book on it, The Increasing Alien Presence.
		We are going to be able, soon, in fact, it's already started, that we're going to be channeling, as it were, or receiving information from consciousness beyond our planet with help to combat these situations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		That we are going to achieve a rapid advance in technology that will enable us to do some pretty miraculous things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this will be some sort of mental communication?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I believe so, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And will it occur to many people at once?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
		I think it's becoming more and more widespread.
		You know, the Earth's magnetic field has lost half of its strength in the last 2,000 years, and it's going to lose the rest of it over the next 2,000 years, the scientists predict.
		And it's during this period where, because of this thinning of its barrier to other dimensions, that people are going to become more psychic, more intuitive, more sensitive, and more open to receiving new ideas of technology.
		I think we can already see this in the young generation.
		They call it, well, by various names.
		But nonetheless, these problems that you cite that seem so appalling, so beyond human control, I believe we are going to be able to get some control over it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the control will come from an external source.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		People may not be aware of it.
		Why wouldn't say the control?
		Well, it's a new technology.
		I call it alien mind technology.
		We already have the latent powers.
		They're just going to be awakening what we already have within us, but don't use.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me read you something I got, if I might.
		It is entitled, What would happen if the magnetic field of the earth suddenly changed?
		If the magnetic field of the earth suddenly changed, and this does, science knows, happen naturally every 250,000 years or so, the consequences would be fascinating.
		For life, we can see from the fossil record that the past field changes had no significant effect on living organisms.
		This is most curious because the field reversal, North Magnetic Pole shifting to Antarctica and the South Magnetic Pole shifting to the Arctic region in the Northern Hemisphere, one might expect the field to go to zero strength for a century or so.
		This would allow cosmic rays to freely penetrate the Earth's surface, causing mutations.
		We also know from studies of the Sun's magnetic dynamo that this phenomenon can change abruptly as it did during the, quote, little ice age, end quote, on the Earth a few hundred years ago.
		There were no sunspots.
		Repeat, no sunspots observed on the sun for 50 years or so, then rather abruptly, the familiar 11-year cycle began over the course of a few decades.
		So a lot of people feel that what we know or think of, or science thinks of, as ongoing and a very slow evolution of humankind is not, in fact, that at all.
		That it occurs very rapidly when there is a sudden eruption from the sun and the earth is irradiated and there are mutations which we now think of as evolution.
		Does that sound reasonable?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		That's very intriguing, yes.
		Well, certainly the literature I've read said that says that when the magnetic field goes to zero, that of course we'll be bombarded by radiation from the sun, which will kill everything.
		But I disagree with the theory that, well, this is going to last for 100 years or so.
		I don't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of Israeli scientists now believe the dinosaurs were killed not by a big rock slamming into Earth, but rather by exactly what we just talked about.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		Well, one of the predictions I made two years ago was about 1999, and it was that scientists would begin to talk about the magnetic field decreasing faster than it had been predicted to decrease.
		So I think things are changing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		one more important area of prediction ask you about and that is war war is a bit Are things, big things that affect many humans on the planet easier to predict than the small stuff?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Actually not.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I found in my research with psychics and mediums, whenever I asked them to predict, you know, major things that would be world important, they would say, I can't do that.
		It's too abstract.
		I can make predictions about people.
		Well, for instance, in my first book, Patterns of Prophecy, which came out 25 years ago, I predicted that Russia and America would go into alliance, whereas everybody else was predicting war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And war, let's stay with war for a second.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And I feel that war is going to be brought under control.
		That you'll have the grass fires, as it were, the Saddam Husseins trying to cause trouble.
		But I think they're going to be stepped on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the trouble is we've got to keep stepping and stepping.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		It's part of, I would say, the evolution of human consciousness.
		Things are actually a lot better now than they were, say, a thousand years ago, for instance, where war was the accepted way.
		And this wasn't any concept of life without war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think wars will be fewer?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I think that we'll be able to combat them, to limit them, to stop them from spreading, to holocaust.
		Absolutely.
		Well, in my Patterns of Prophecy from 1972, I predicted the Paxta Americana, American Peace, that we would be the world leaders in creating peace around the globe.
		And it looks like that's exactly what's happening.
		And I think this is going to grow even stronger with the United Nations becoming more enforced.
		So I don't believe these predictions of war.
		Coming back to something we've talked about earlier, though, how our consciousness can affect the outer world.
		I think that's the key thing, because I believe the most important thing that's going to be happening on our planet is more and more people are going to attain a higher spiritual consciousness.
		And this is what's going to create an environment that makes peace not only possible, but permanent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then you too believe that we virtually create our own realities.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And I think it's not just a metaphor, I believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many books have you written?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Seven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seven.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		But that was still in print, Ballantyne.
		But I presented a basic theory that consciousness creates reality at the atomic level or the subatomic level.
		That our mind influences things and creates space, time, and matter.
		And outlined in a scientific paper a dozen experimental tests of it.
		And in fact, one of those tests has already been done at Princeton by the group you were talking about earlier.
		They found that when people were trying to use psychokinesis, trying to influence a computer, that each individual would have his own, what they call a signature.
		I had called it a mind print.
		So you could look at the data and say, oh yeah, Susie did this one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And what I also say in that book...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've talked about it on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The research is nothing short of remarkable and scientifically verifiable, and people still don't believe it.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's because, you know, they can't relate it to their ordinary experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I guess that's right.
		But I think it's probably because also they haven't paid attention to their ordinary experience.
		That there are some very extraordinary things going on all the time, and they just, you know, don't observe them.
		Just say, oh, well, it must be coincidence.
		Or I must be mistaken about that.
		For instance, well, phenomena like teleportation, which fascinated me, physicists don't like to think that that might exist on a large-scale level.
		Yeah, in Austria, early this year, they did an experiment in teleportation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, IBM is working on it, too.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		But when I give a lecture on this sort of thing, I ask people, have you ever had such an experience?
		And it's interesting, they will say, well, I never wanted to talk about this before because people would think I'm nuts.
		But then, you know, they describe something.
		A friend of mine, for instance, was being interviewed on a radio show by a skeptic.
		She's an intuitive and also a PhD.
		And she got so flustered that appendant around her neck vanished.
		And her husband was looking for it, and another woman friend was looking for it.
		And it stayed vanished for about five minutes.
		And then boom, it was back.
		You know, it's not the sort of thing you tell people at the scientific meeting to gain their confidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's true.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		But that's the clue, though, to reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you ever do personal predictions?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, somebody will come to you and ask you to issue some sort of prophetic statement about their own personal predictions.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Actually, that's what I do professionally.
		I look into the future for people.
		The way I do it is to get in touch with their higher self, to see what their inner destiny might have planned for them.
		And also to answer their specific questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you look into somebody's future and you see disaster, do you tell them?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I haven't seen that.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I think it's because it could be I have a subconscious block against telling people something that will be of no use to them or that might frighten them needlessly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, people die every day as they're born every day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So inevitably, as you look at individuals, eventually you're going to run into somebody that...
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Now, on April the 18th, I was scheduled to give a lecture in Monterey.
		And after the lecture, it was late, and my wife and I were, she was driving, I don't drive.
		It was after midnight.
		We were going back to our hotel, and for no particular reason, I said, oh, let's turn left here, although the light was green.
		And suddenly, through that intersection, a car came about 50 miles an hour.
		And if we'd been in that intersection, I wouldn't be talking to you.
		I had a sense of relief.
		I said, oh, there was my accident.
		And it happened about 10 minutes after.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, that brings up an awful lot of questions about the nature of time.
		Very quickly, time travel?
		Will it be possible eventually?
		Yes or no?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, we can time travel right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold it right there.
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		What an intriguing comment just before the top of the hour.
		I asked him if time travel, yes or no, will be possible.
		He said, it's possible now.
		In a moment, we'll ask about that.
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		These groups of extraterrestrials that are unfriendly, many of which are hiding down there at the bottom of the ocean, why don't they want us to know about this?
		We've lost people in wars with UFOs.
		You know, we spend a lot of time honoring our heroes, and we have heroes that we don't know about.
		It's disturbing to that extent because we have a debt to people who've defended us, and we'll never know who they are.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to Dr. Vaughan.
		Dr. Vaughan, the question about time travel brought an interesting response.
		We can do it now?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, if you understand that our reality as we perceive it in the solid concrete world is, in a sense, an illusion, and that time is, well, in a sense, in our minds.
		But I know from having done it lots of times that it's possible to go into the past as well as into, let's call it, possible futures.
		To be focused on this, to be disciplined, and to have a reason to do it.
		It's not a game.
		Psychometry, you know, where you're handed an object and you then perceive information about that object.
		That is often a good way to kind of tune in to the right era.
		And it's like watching a movie in your head, say, of the past, and you can describe many details.
		Some people will have dreams about this.
		Now, when it comes to going into the future, again, we can do that through dreams, but we can also do it in our waking state.
		An exercise that I often do with people is to take them into the future and then look back and see how they got there.
		For instance, oh, I had a babysitter.
		I was living in San Francisco.
		She had a PhD in theater, but she was out of work.
		And I said, all right, I'm going to take you into the future, you know, a year in the future.
		Now, you're looking back.
		What are you doing?
		She said, oh, I've got a grant from a foundation.
		I'm teaching kids how to act.
		And this strange look came over her face.
		She said, I never thought of that.
		And so she applied for a grant at the foundation, got it, and started teaching kids theater.
		It can be a very practical kind of time travel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A friend of mine, by the way, harkening back to dream diaries.
		Yeah.
		He lives down near you.
		His name is Daryl, and he writes, if I maintained a dream diary, I'd move to Cleveland.
		He's having dreams.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Dreams about Cleveland, maybe.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he lives, Doctor, near you.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		In Santa Monica?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Or in Los Angeles?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Santa Monica.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he's had dreams about Cleveland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he's had dreams about Santa Monica.
unidentified		Oh, oh, oh, I see.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it's interesting because, although I've been here just over a year in the Santa Monica area, when I was a kid, about eight years old, I had this repeating dream about some fantasy magical land.
		And it was by the ocean, and there was a big Ferris wheel and a merry-go-round.
		And it was wonderful.
		And then when I moved to Santa Monica, I went down to the pier and I looked at the Ferris wheel, I looked at the merry-go-round, and I thought, oh, I'm finally here in my magical land.
		So I was dreaming about events, you know, over 50 years in the future.
		So I think everyone is capable of this kind of time travel.
		And that we, I think we're restricted only by our thoughts about reality.
		We kind of put a straitjacket on ourselves.
		And we're brought up that way.
		It's not nice to time travel.
		Well, when we're kids, the teachers want us to pay attention to the schoolwork and so on.
		We can't do that if we're daydreaming about being in the future or being in the past or whatever.
		But we're able to do this.
		Though I expect your question was, will we have an apparatus that anybody could step into without any mental training at all?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you imagine that?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, I can.
		But again, I have to say that this is still a mental trip.
		But understand, I mean, that everything we perceive is in our brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody once said, and I think it's a great comment, if time travel will ever be possible, then where are the time travelers?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I see them.
		They're in another dimension looking at us.
		In fact, I wrote a movie scenario based on this idea that we would travel in time by going back and join the consciousness of someone who's alive there.
		In other words, look at things through their eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Through their eyes.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Which is what we do.
		I mean, what I do when I'm doing my psychic work, I join consciousness with the person.
		I begin to look at things through their eyes.
		That's the first stage of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you done any research into remote viewing?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I've done a lot of work in remote viewing over the years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your conclusions?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, I think this is something that most people can learn to do.
		It's certainly, oh, safer and saner than going out of your body.
		I mean, for most people, I think that can be a little dangerous, though.
		Some people certainly adept at it.
unidentified		Aha!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aha!
		Finally, somebody who says that.
		I have interviewed, I can't tell you how many people, on out-of-body travel.
		I've done a number of shows on it.
		I've had one experience of my own, which I will not bore you with.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I heard you tell it.
		I think the treachery.
		Good, good, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad.
		I don't have to retell it.
		But almost inevitably, every guest who comes on the program, I will ask, look, isn't there some danger?
		And they all inevitably say, oh, no, no, no danger.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I recall when I first got interested in that phenomenon, oh, many years ago, and I talked with three people who, one after the other, I didn't know each other, who'd had their out-of-body experiences during dreams.
		And all three of them said that they were these dark entities that were trying to get into their body while they were out.
		And they were terrified and powerless.
		And that's a very frightening experience.
		And I don't think you should leave the store unattended.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's my feeling, too.
		But without, again, going into details, the one experience that I did have was I didn't invite it.
		I didn't know it was coming.
		I had no warning.
		None of the usual classic anythings.
		Just kaboom.
		It happened.
		And it happened without my willing it to occur.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		It was really weird.
		Well, as I recall, you're telling me that, you were in Paris in a hotel.
		Yes, yes.
		And you suddenly, your consciousness suddenly sh shut out the top of your head and up through the roof and into the sky and you could look down and see the brilliance of the lights of Paris.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I wasn't really particularly conscious of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I saw it, but it was, believe me, a minor, insignificant detail compared to what I was feeling, which was this indescribable ecstasy.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Ah, well, that's the important thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So surprising.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		So shocking.
		My feeling is that what you described is sort of an emotional exaltation.
		I've heard, I recall a friend, she's the wife of a friend of mine, who had a very similar experience while making love.
		And she shot out of her body, and it was like fireworks, and she could see everything, and then she came back to her body, and she could hear bells.
		Well, it was for her an emotional high point.
		Now, that's very different from, say, traveling to visit someone and kind of looking around and seeing what's going on.
		There's an emotional reason for it.
		It fits.
		And that's part.
		I would suggest that your experience art is part of an opening to a higher consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		When I take people to meditations, I tell them that people often experience this sort of thing on the threshold of death.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		They'll have these out-of-body experiences, or near-death experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And that they should not be reserved until death, that we can do it now, and that we can go rise above our heads, our consciousness can do that, and to look at our lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here is a one-sentence comment for you, Doctor.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Vaughan's predictions are the same as meditations and are satanic.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
		It must be from an expert in Satanism.
		I have no idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
unidentified		Do you hear that frequently?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have, yeah.
		Very often people who are in fundamentalist groups, their cults, only know what their leader tells them, and they haven't done any research themselves.
		But if you read St. Paul's letters to the Corinthians, he talks about at great length the value of prophecy and urges every Christian to learn how to prophesy.
		He feels of the gifts of Spirit.
		Now, of course, I write about this in my new book, Doorways to Higher Consciousness, published by Celeste Press.
		But it's, as it were, dedicated to St. Paul's view that by learning to prophesy, we can ennoble people.
		That was the practice in the early Christian church.
		And every member of the group was expected to do this.
		And it's exactly what we call doing a psychic reading today.
		I mean, it makes it very clear.
		But there was a second purpose, and that was to convince the skeptics.
		He said, well, you can look into the dark secrets of the skeptics and reveal it, and they'll recoil in fear and know that you are in touch with God, that you are channeling the Holy Spirit.
		For people who purport to be Christians and deny the precepts of the founder of Christianity, I suggest that they're in total ignorance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You believe in God, the big G?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think you have.
		You know, I used to be a skeptic about that.
		I didn't believe in God when I was young, during my college years and so on.
		But as soon as I began to experience the phenomena of higher consciousness, all the things that I've been taught to believe didn't exist, like ghosts, what have you, and came into first-hand contact with that, it was the most extraordinary revelation, you know, that not only is there a God, but I was in contact, participating with God, and that I had a spark of God myself, the higher self.
		No, it's a very profound, very emotional feeling, I mean, when you make that contact.
		Have you had that experience, Erin?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't say that I have.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		No.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the closest I guess I would say I was was that Paris experience.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's an opening.
		First of all, you realize you're more than just flesh and bone.
		That there's an important part of you that's...
		Oh, yeah?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure of that.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		So what part of you went up above your head and looked at Paris?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I...
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Not the flesh and bone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		who's to say that what happened to me is not a function of a living, conscious, working brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that is not...
unidentified		Oh, yes, but that goes along with the big G, God.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		That's related, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so I have a great deal of respect for what our living brains can do, but I have not yet made the extension to be able to accept a life following this one, an existence, a reincarnation, a whatever may lie over on the other side.
		I have not yet made that connection.
		How have you?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, by experiencing entities on the other side.
		Now, when I first began doing research on this question in England in 1967, there were three mediums that told me that one day I would channel an entity, a Chinese entity named Li Sung.
		I sit over my dead body.
		I mean, I was scared to death of the whole idea.
		Then 15 years later, it happened spontaneously while I was teaching a psychic seminar, or actually afterward.
		It was a feeling of shared consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I must tell you, I've always been a great skeptic when it comes to channeling.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was, too.
		And certainly there are a lot of people, especially the ones that are so often appearing in the media, that one could cast great doubts on.
		But when you experience it yourself and realize that, well, of course, I use the term channeling as a model for all these psychic perceptions.
		It explains how the gifts of spirit work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Explain how to channel energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Explain to me how one is to discern the difference between what you call channeling, in other words, actually bringing forth the thoughts or feelings or whatever of an external entity and something generated within your own brain.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, first of all, that we experience channeling when we do anything psychic.
		We're bringing it through information from our higher self that's in another dimension.
		That part of us is already in another dimension.
		And that because of that, we are able also to bring in contact through what's called discarnates, other energies that can sometimes demonstrate knowledge that is beyond anything we know.
		And importantly, there are cases where it's a fundamental emotional interest to the entity to communicate this information.
		An example, for instance, of a famous case of a young man who was killed.
		His wife didn't have a cent.
		His four-year-old boy, though, began to doodle something strange, and a friend of the father's recognized it as a certain type of shorthand.
		And this shorthand was known by the father.
		And it turned out, when he translated it, it turned out to be a message about a bank account.
unidentified		Really?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And a New York Bank.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see, these stories.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, she was able to get the money out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
		No, these stories do impress me.
		No question about it.
		That's something you can put your hand on and understand.
		Hold on, Doctor.
		Very nice facts from somebody from South Africa.
		Hi there, Art.
		My name is Christian.
		I live in a farm in South Africa.
		Ellenwash, it looks like.
		About 45 minutes from Cape Town.
		I see you're wearing your Cape Town t-shirt.
		Yes, he says.
unidentified		You're always welcome back in the Cape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Come visit again.
		Regards, Christian.
		So they're listening to us down in South Africa.
		Nice to know.
		And good morning to you.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Phone calls coming up next.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		And I guess, happy Thanksgiving, huh?
		Listen, we're about to start taking calls for Dr. Vaughn.
		And of course, all the lines are already jammed and have been for hours now.
		So if you want to get through, I would say persevere, and there's a pretty good chance you will.
		So, phone calls and conversation with Dr. Vaughn, who documentably is the most accurate predictor, intuitive prophet, if you will, in the world.
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		Let's talk a little bit about the shadow government.
		Do you believe it's there?
		Yeah, we've heard that term, you know, for so many years, and I thought it was this group in the Netherlands that sit behind smoked windows and make decisions like, you know, giant players of chess.
		But it isn't.
		We don't have the government anymore.
		What we have is a loose coalition of bureaucracies.
		But we have no representation in that government.
		So when I look at the Constitution, I see it as a really inspired and eternal document that has been sidestepped in almost every legal way possible.
		So the process itself has been intentionally manipulated to facilitate a certain style of government.
		And it's taken a while to set up, but I think it's set up now and it's working just the way they like it.
		We need a systemic change in order to let the Republic be representative of the people again.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Vaughn, if you're there and ready.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There certainly are a lot of people who would like to talk to you.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		So here we go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you are on the air with Dr. Vaughn.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, this is John in Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, John.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Hi, John.
unidentified		Hello, Doctor.
unidentified		I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on something.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
unidentified		And it has to do with the stock market.
		I am, I don't like to call myself a prophet.
		I would call myself a mathematical seer.
		I've been studying market movements for about eight years, financial astrology extensively.
		And some people say the market's going to go up, it's going to go down.
		They're very vague about it.
		I would like to project an exact date of when the stock market is.
		So, and thank you all for taking my call because it's so important that I called tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Because I think the stock market is going to make its high Friday.
		This Friday, November 27th.
		And this high is going to last for a long time.
		I also wanted to get the doctor's feedback on Friday on astrology in general and what you think of it.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, why are you contradicting me?
		I say it's going to be over 9,100 at the end of the year.
		It's not about 9,300 now.
unidentified		I think it's going to be well below 9,100.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you think it's going to go down after the 27th?
unidentified		No, well, yes.
unidentified		I think the high is going to be formed Friday and the market's going to begin a possibly violent decline next week, which will last into next year.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and I've been hurting that I disagree with.
		Yeah, we'll see what happens.
		We don't have long to wait.
		Someone told me their psychic compression was that there would be a decline in November.
		And I said, I think that could well happen.
		It'll be like a roller coaster effect, though.
		It'll come back up.
unidentified		Well, see, well, Art brought it up earlier.
		He said, in order for these, for prophets, I think, for anyone claiming to be able to predict the future, they've got to be able to repeat.
		You know, it has to systematically repeat.
		What I'm doing is not intuition or anything like that.
		What I have found is that changes in the Earth's magnetic field greatly affect human beings, greatly affect the markets.
		There is no better place to study these changes.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		That's a fascinating theory.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I'd love to read about it.
unidentified		Well, I have a website.
unidentified		If you would let me, I'd love to get it out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I can't let you do it.
		Now, you can give it to me privately.
		And if I check it out, I've had too many bad experiences with website addresses that turned into porn sites.
		Sorry.
unidentified		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you get it to me privately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll check it out, and then I'll get it up.
unidentified		I'll fact it to you, and I really appreciate it letting me get on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, my friend.
		Thank you, John.
		Take care.
		Well, as they say, time will tell.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I should point out to John, you know, that I do have a track record in this area.
		My published predictions about economics and financial world have been quite accurate.
		In 1980, for instance, the Book of Predictions published my prediction that the inflation rate would subside from 12% down to 8.5% by mid-1981, and that was exactly what happened.
		Whereas all the professional economists were saying that it was going to go double-digit.
		Precisely.
		And my 1993, financial predictions published in Fate magazine were exactly on the mark.
		Which is not to say that what he's doing might not be really intriguing.
		A mathematician friend of mine has, for instance, developed a formula for predicting a group of stocks, and so far this year he's up 50% with his investors.
		So there may well be some logical ways to do this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Dr. Vaughan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, this is Catherine in Los Angeles.
unidentified		Thanks a lot for taking my call.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Catherine.
unidentified		Okay, well, I've got a quick question for you.
		I was wondering if you had any theories on, well, like, you know, when you have the little synchronicities in your life, like, well, I just moved to Los Angeles, but a while ago I was living in Wisconsin and I used to belong to the PETA, the people for the ethical treatment of animals.
		And I had been hoping that I would get some information in the mail from them.
		And the same day that I had been asking my mother about it, I got some stuff in the mail.
		And you know how you can just sort of make things like that happen?
		Do you know what I mean?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I think synchronicity provides signposts of life.
unidentified		Right.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		It lets you know if something's going right, and it also lets you know if something's going wrong when the coincidences are negative.
unidentified		Yeah, but I mean, you know, when you okay, well, I guess I should word it a little bit differently, like when you notice the coincidences that are happening in your life, it seems like sometimes, or maybe it's just me, and I don't think it is just me, but you'll notice them more frequently than my book, Incredible Coincidence, I have a chapter on the synchronicity of synchronicity, meaning that once you get attuned to this, you seem to create more synchronicity in your life.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		My theory about it is that you're fulfilling your life's plan.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And that when you're going along in the proper way, then everything seems to fall into place.
unidentified		So basically.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And you begin to notice it as well.
unidentified		Just when you're connected with yourself.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you especially notice this during times of change.
unidentified		Ah.
		Okay.
		And also I have one other real quick question.
		Do you have any theories on well I know in the Celestian Prophecy, James Redfield's book, he talks about crossing over from life to death without dying.
		You know, are you familiar with that?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've read the book.
		Yeah, in fact, he, well, in his workbook, he quotes my book.
		I think I gave him some ideas there.
unidentified		What is your idea on that?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Or do you think that's a good idea?
unidentified		Do you want to start doing that more frequently in the future?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, my feeling is that what's going to be happening here in the future is that more and more people are going to be attaining a higher consciousness and that they will thereby come into contact with other entities in other dimensions and realize also that they themselves are already in another dimension in part.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And so the more we become aware of this extra-dimensional aspect of our being, our higher being, I think the more we can attune ourselves to our life's path.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you think consciousness continues after physical death?
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		It precedes physical life and it continues after physical life.
		It's neither created nor destroyed.
		It's energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, energy changes.
		Energy is certainly not destroyed.
		There's no question about that, but whether it exists in a form that we would recognize as consciousness or not, I think, is an open question.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, it certainly is a very open scientific question, absolutely.
		There's great debate about it, and I think there will be.
		But from a Jude scientists are arguing from a logical point of view, that is to say, without having any experience of what they're talking about.
		But people, you know, I wrote the chapter on psychics in Edgar Mitchell's handbook called Psychic Exploration.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		So I'm really up on this.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Are you familiar with Daniel Brinkley?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have, Dr. Vaughan, run into a lot of people who claim psychic abilities of all kinds.
		Daniel Brinkley, I have seen him again and again and again and again so many times that Daniel is not easy to be with, frankly.
		He's constantly psychic.
		I mean, it's going on all the time.
		His story is well documented.
		He was struck by lightning.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I'm familiar with his story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there are quite a few cases of that sort, typically.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's sort of a disadvantage in a way because this came upon him like a ton of bricks all at once.
		And so he's totally fascinated with it.
		And it's become the major thing in his life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it possible, do you think, that there is a part of our brain that, going back, for example, to my one experience of precognition or my one experience about a body or whatever, that is quite familiar with these kinds of things and that in the normal human, they simply generally are dormant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But in the case of somebody like Daniel, who is struck by lightning, body catches on fire, he dies, something in the brain changes, and all of this comes forward.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, certainly I've interviewed, I suppose, at least hundreds of people about how they became psychic, often professional psychics.
		And it's a common theme of some sort of shock, not necessarily lightning.
		It could be an emotional shock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any trauma.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		That seems to awaken their psychic abilities, often starting with premonitions or negative things, which always have the strongest amount of energy, but then learning how to control it.
		And I doubt that there is a physical change in the brain.
		The theory I adhere to is that consciousness is using the brain as an instrument.
		And that and this theory is borne out in some strange ways, too.
		I think of kids who are even young adults who've had half their brains removed and they do fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
		It is true.
		And it's hard to imagine how that can be other than the fact that we simply don't make use of the majority of our brain.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And there are so many areas of it that we transfer to other parts.
		I had a friend who had been a Trappist monk, but he had a stroke that destroyed so much of his brain.
		And I was doing sending healing to him.
		And the doctors didn't think he'd survive the night.
		But he did.
		And to retrain himself to learn how to speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And did.
		And he lived for quite a few more years.
		Well, in fact, he christened my first child in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy City.
		I thought, well, that's close enough for somebody who's not even supposed to be able to talk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's a good analogy for you.
		If your brain were compared to a computer, and the computer operated on an everyday basis using more than, not less, or not more than, say, a gigabyte of memory, but the hard drive was actually 10 gigabytes, and something came along and ruined 9 gigabytes, but left you with that 1 gigabyte, you would continue to function well, though 9 tenths of your capacity was gone.
		You would function as you always have to do it.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		But there's evidence that the brain functions holographically.
		You know, that the information is spread out all over, although there are certain centers identified with certain specialties.
		But nonetheless, I think there is a good analogy there, that the random information is throughout the drive.
		It's not just located in one spot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, assuming it's defract.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, if these analogies are inexact, but when it comes down to extraordinary human functioning, though, we go way beyond the brain.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		And science is still in its infancy in brain sciences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite correct.
		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Alan Vaughan.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
		Thank you.
		Artfeller to get a hold of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, where are you?
unidentified		I'm in right outside of Atlanta.
unidentified		My name is Vince.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And Dr. Vaughn, you were talking a while ago about some monks in Tibet that had gone out and they were having a ceremony or something and they had gone out and it was raining and they basically programmed the rain away from them.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		They created a circle of dryness during the duration of their ceremony.
unidentified		Right.
		I have personally done this by myself twice.
		And I've done it with a friend, a fellow that actually basically showed me how to do it.
		I did it with him once.
		And all three of these were good-sized storms.
		We had a good reason, all three times, there was a real good reason for doing it.
		I've never tried it since.
		We had some artwork out on the first time when he taught me how to do it.
		With a big, major storm coming, it rained all around us.
		It was close enough to where we got blown over spray, but nothing to amount to anything.
		The other two times I had about $50,000 worth of test equipment sitting on the ground.
		And I just made up my mind.
		It took forever to set it all up, and it took a long time to take it down.
		I could see the rain coming.
		I just made up my mind I ain't going to get wet.
		And I didn't.
		Again, it was close enough to get a little bit of spray, but some blown-in mist, but nothing serious.
		And I don't know whether it amounts to anything or not, but I've also been hit by lightning.
		I was a telephone man for years and this is where all of this was happening.
		You know, for whatever that's worth.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Would you share with us what your friend taught you to do?
unidentified		Basically, this was back in the old hippie days, back in the end of the 60s, early 70s, naturally.
unidentified		And we started out disappearing clouds together.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		And it just kind of gradually went from one thing to another.
unidentified		I still go out and disappear clouds just from.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so it was essentially a mental training then that you went through.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And we have tried one experiment that we have tried for a long time to do was an out-of-body thing where it was like, okay, whichever one of us gets an out-of-body experience, we're going to go visit the other one and then call them later and tell them what we saw, you know, whatever it is.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, that's, you know, you're doing little experiments there so you can get immediate feedback.
		Right.
		And this strengthens your ability to channel, I'll call it channeling energy.
unidentified		Okay.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		So I'm really impressed with your prowess there.
		Good luck.
		You can't start a service for hurricane control or something that might be a little hard to handle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you encourage people to experiment?
		early in the interview mentioned Ouija Board.
		And I had a very...
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I urge people not to touch them.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		It can be really dangerous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They scare the hell out of me.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I got possessed by a spirit later, and the spirit stayed in my head for about 24 hours, just scared the hell out of me.
		For one thing, I didn't believe in spirits.
		I didn't know what to do.
		And finally, my higher self made contact with me and gave me the message, each of us has a spirit while living.
		To meddle with the spirits of the dead can lead to possession.
		And as soon as that was said, I wrote it out.
		And I felt this incredible energy rising up my body.
		And it came up to my head and it pushed this possessing entity out of my head.
		And I could feel the energy rising above my head, though.
		And the person who was with me said, oh, your face was so white a moment ago, and now it's so flushed and ruddy, you know, healthy looking.
		And this experience of extreme well-being came over me.
		I'd never felt so good before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe...
		Yeah, good for you.
		Doctor, we are out of time.
		You did, that's a four-hour program.
		You just said, whoosh.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Real fast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it does.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		It's such a great pleasure to talk with you, Art, and your very interesting callers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, I've got quite a group out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Doctor, thank you so much, and believe me, we will do it again if you're willing sometime.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		I'd love to.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, my friend.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
alan vaughan ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And good night.
		That's it, folks.
		We are, as my Western Canadian friends would say, oat of time.
		I'm going to be in Vancouver soon, too, so you can get me.

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