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Nov. 27, 1998 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Ghost to Ghost - Open Lines

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning on this Friday night, Saturday morning.
		It's going to be different tonight.
		There will be no guests.
		No guests tonight.
		It's just the two of us.
		And what we're going to do all night long, I repeat again all night long, is tell ghost stories.
		We did ghost to ghosts and ghosts interrupted because of the Vegas stories, but tonight there shall be nothing but ghost stories.
		Your ghost stories.
		Why are ghosts so interesting?
		And the answer is, for me, a simple one.
		In my eternal search for knowledge of the other side, one great appeal to look at is that of spirits or ghosts.
		For we don't really exactly precisely know what ghosts are.
		They apparently are many things, and they may be proof that we do exist after we die in one form or another.
		It may not necessarily always be good.
		It seems like, and I've been doing this for years now, but it seems as though people who die early, people who die young, people who die unexpectedly, people who die tragically, people who die with things left to do yet in their life many times seem to remain.
		The collective evidence, I think if taken to court, would be nearly irrefutable collectively.
		And by the time this night is out, I suggest to you that you too will begin your own journey, your own search of trying to figure out what happens to us after we die.
		Do we remain on Earth?
		Do we go to another place?
		And can we get back from that other place?
		Houdini is said to have been trying to do so.
		Set it up before he died, hasn't yet made it.
		But there are so many, many stories.
		Now, I'm going to Vancouver next week.
		I'm going to be doing an episode of Millennium, which I'm going to play myself kind of neat.
		But here is a story from the city of my destination, Vancouver, entitled The Headless Brakeman.
unidentified		It's a simple short story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is said, Art, the CPR yards at the foot of Granville Street, Vancouver, have been haunted by a headless brakeman since 1928.
		Now, that was a year that Hub Clark, a railway brakeman, literally lost his head in the yards.
		One dark and rainy night, he slipped, he fell off a freight train, and his head hit the rail next to the freight track.
		He was knocked unconscious, and a passenger train speeding down the track severed his head from his body two inches below the Adam's apple.
		Thereafter, stories circulated about how a headless man in railway overalls was seen in the yard on dark and rainy nights.
		Apparently, for years, Vancouver railwaymen joked, don't throw your pumpkin away after Halloween.
		Hub Clark can use it.
		The headless brakeman was last sighted on a dark and rainy, very rainy night, as a matter of fact, darting between boxcars in 1942 by a railway worker.
		This story is told by Ted Ferguson in the Sentimental Journey, an oral history of train travel in Canada.
		And this, this is a very, very interesting story.
		It's not a very specific ghost story, or maybe it is.
		I don't know.
		It kind of goes with somewhere in time, in a way.
		Dear Art, this is a rather unconventional ghost story, but it shows how those on the other side can manipulate things.
		In 1992, I was working as a 911 emergency paramedic in Oakland, California.
		One night, as I was getting ready for work, I was kind of half-watching this TV show about ghosts.
		One of the stories caught my attention.
		So I sat down to watch.
		Now, this might also come under the category of synchronicity.
		You tell me as you listen.
		It was about the Hotel Del Coronado in Coronado, California.
		You know, the hotel where Some Like It Hot with Marilyn Monroe was filmed.
		In the story, this woman named Kate was apparently haunting the hotel.
		I watched the rest of the story, then ran out of the door, almost late for work.
		As my partner and I sat waiting for a call, I began to tell her the story that I'd seen on TV.
		But for some unknown reason, I couldn't remember the name of the hotel.
		At that moment, we got an emergency call.
		We ran the call, brought the patient to the hospital.
		The whole time I'm trying to remember the name of that doggone hotel.
		We arrive at the hospital and wheel the patient inside.
		As I'm giving my report to the nurse in the emergency room, I just happen to glance behind the desk and hanging on the wall Is a calendar.
		And the full-color, large picture on the calendar is, you guessed it, the Hotel del Coronado.
		Well, I tend to pay attention to these little things and took this as an invitation from Kate to visit her hotel.
		So, I reserved one of their smallest, cheapest rooms, and the next time I had a four-day weekend, I packed up my convertible, drove down the coast from San Francisco to San Diego, arrived at the hotel, went up to the desk to check in, and the clerk says, oh, I'm sorry, all of the small, cheap rooms like the one you had reserved are booked up.
		Hmm, let me see.
		Oh, we do have this suite with a balcony overlooking the courtyard in the old section of the hotel.
		Will that be all right?
		He said, I'll give it to you for the same price as the small, cheap, cheesy room you had reserved.
		Naturally, I say, okay, and I'm beginning to think this is going to be a very interesting stay.
		So, up I go, took a bubble bath, drank a beer out of the room bar.
		Shouldn't do that, by the way, they're terribly expensive.
		Jumped on the bed, as is my habit, anytime I stay in an expensive hotel.
		I took a nap and got dressed for dinner.
		Went down to the bar for a cocktail.
		The bartender brought all of my drinks.
		Had dinner in one of the restaurants, and when I asked for my check, the waiter told me that a gentleman who had been seated across the room had paid the check.
		The rest of the visit was uneventful, no apparitions, no funky stuff, until the stay at the hotel never showed up on my credit card bill.
		Now, I'm a relatively honest person, and under normal circumstances, I probably would have called the hotel Dol Coronado.
		Told them about their oversight.
		However, when viewed with everything else that occurred, the calendar, the upgrade, the free drinks, the free dinner, it was rather apparent to me that I had indeed been a guest, Kate's guest, at the Hotel Del Coronado.
		She is a fine hostess, and I hope to return one of these days.
		And I have, of course, many more like this.
		And if any of you have a particularly good ghost story, we're going to do two things.
		One, we are going to tell ghost stories from those of you who call on the call-in lines.
		And we are going to also invite you, rather than sending in a fax with your ghost story, if you have a particularly good one, send me a fax with your phone number and I will call you.
		I will call you because your odds of getting through, obviously, are rather slim.
		So if you just give me a brief outline on the facts of what your ghost story is and then provide a phone number, I will call you.
		So we'll experiment, do things a little differently tonight, but make no mistake about it.
		All night long, all night long, we are going to do absolutely nothing but ghost stories.
		If you wish, call it ghost-to-ghost.
		Call it anything you want, but I suggest you dim the lights and prepare yourself.
		All phone lines tonight, including the international phone line, which by the way is open.
		I normally use that for guests, so I don't get a lot of international calls, but tonight, it's open.
		So wherever you are in the world, it doesn't matter where you are in the world, if you have a ghost story, and I do have one sent to me here from Belgium, I've got another one from South Africa.
	We are heard worldwide.
	To access this program from any other country, get hold of the AT ⁇ T operator.
	Now, that's very important.
	Get the AT ⁇ T operator and have her call in the USA, toll-free.
	Be sure you tell her, toll-free.
	800-893-0903.
	That's 800-893-0903.
	But all lines, all night, all ghost stories.
	Here we go.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
		This is Carrie calling from Eugene, Oregon.
		Hello, Kay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to get good and close to the phone because you're not too loud.
unidentified		How's this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's better.
unidentified		All right.
		Well, my boyfriend's brother, he moved into this house in Providence, Rhode Island.
		And come to find out, it used to be a funeral home.
		And like they have the places like in the basement where they burn the bodies and did all that crazy stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cremation.
unidentified		Yes.
		And now he feels like there's a ghost there.
		Like things will be missing, like things you don't misplace, like toothpaste, cutting board, just gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gone.
unidentified		And one time his roommate, you know, they were just sitting there drinking coffee.
		His roommate went into his room because he finished his cup and he came back out and it was completely filled hot.
		Jason didn't get it for him or anything.
		And it wasn't even made right how he likes it.
		And he says sometimes, you know, like a door will slam.
		One time he actually had to leave because he was so scared because there was like rubbing all on the walls and clanging noises.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, let me tell you a little story back now.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I saw a movie the other night.
		I can't recall the name of it, unfortunately.
		Now a million people will send it to me.
		But it was about a man who went to work in a morgue.
		And he was a guard in the morgue.
		And he would have his little guard desk and he'd have his little, you know, guards have keys and they have to make the rounds and turn the key so that the owner knows they really made their assigned rounds at night.
		And he had a desk and a workstation when he wasn't having to make his rounds.
		And there was this red light behind him.
		And in the morgue, they would have the bodies all lined up on these cots covered with sheets in what's called a cold room.
		But above each body, there was a pull cord.
		You know, a cord you could pull.
unidentified		Just in case?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just in case.
		And should somebody pull that cord, it would obviously mean to the guy sitting at the desk that one of the bodies in the morgue had reanimated.
		Not unheard of.
		And I'm not going to tell you any more than that, but I will tell you it went off.
		Wow.
		Okay?
unidentified		Yeah, it's pretty weird.
		Is there like, who would you go about calling?
		Say if you wanted to have like a specialist come in there and see, you know, what was going on?
		Any ideas?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		I have many people.
		fact the guests i'm going to have on this coming monday night uh...
		uh...
		might be exactly uh...
		the person you're looking for that pretty quickly Now, he'll be here Monday night, Tuesday morning next week.
		Somebody like that is the kind of person you need.
unidentified		Definitely.
unidentified		Thanks so much for your help.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
		Take care, and good luck.
		Wildcard line, you're on air.
unidentified		Yes, Art, this is Greg from Elcohome, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Greg.
unidentified		How are you, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		I have a good one for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Do I have about four or five minutes?
		You do.
		Excellent.
		My wife's mother had died back in February, actually on February 13th of this year.
		And prior to her death, my wife and children and I had stayed with her overnight in that house on many occasions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		It was just a normal home, nothing strange, very comfortable there, no problems whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would just be visiting her and stay the night?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		Taking up the house at the time of her death went into probate.
		And of course, my wife and her siblings not wanting to leave the house empty, of course, because of vandals and that sort of thing.
		My wife and our two daughters and our unborn son moved into that empty house on March 1st of this year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Makes sense?
unidentified		Shortly after my family and I took occupancy of the home, certain events started to take place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like what?
unidentified		Well, just to paraphrase to also at this time on or around March 10th, we adopted a German Shepherd Beagle mix that made my wife feel a lot better, of course, because I worked late at night, sometimes till 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like me.
unidentified		Yeah, there you go.
		And it gave her a peace of mind because the house was out in the country.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like me.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		And within the first two weeks that we took up residence in my wife's deceased mother's home, my wife would relate to me from time to time that she felt as she was being watched intensely.
		I myself, at the time being a complete skeptic, dismissed the information as an overactive imagination, which I probably should not have.
		That was my belief until the evening of March 16th, 1998, when my eyes were widely opened.
		On that evening, I was having dinner with my wife and children, and my sister-in-law and her two children, teenage children, were over to the house for dinner just a few weeks after moving into the house.
		Everyone had left but my wife and I, and I was sitting in a position in the dining room at the dining room table area that allowed me to look all the way down the hallway into one of three bedrooms, which was my youngest daughter's at the time.
		Sure.
		At that point, I saw something that is still hard for me to describe.
		It was an aura of what seemed to be a woman's form with a lot to me of what seemed to be energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, indistinct, kind of a foggy light aura.
		Yes, sir.
		All right.
unidentified		And it definitely was, it was, it seemed to be the shape of a woman to me.
		I was so motionless and locked into what was happening at the time that I almost lost relative consciousness of what or where I was except for what was going on in that room.
		My wife was sitting over to the right of me and asked me what I had seen, and I described it to her, and she said something to the effect of, you too?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You too?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean she saw it as well?
unidentified		She had seen and felt things before me, and yet had never, over that period of time, that two-week period since we'd moved in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you hang on through the break?
unidentified		Absolutely, Arch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stay right where you are.
		When one sees it, you can imagine a bit of undigested meat.
		When two see it, well...
unidentified		...
		To talk with Arkbel in the Kingdom of Nye from outside the U.S., first dial your access number to the USA.
		Then, 800-893-0903.
		If you're a first-time caller, call ART at 702-727-1222.
		From east of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033.
		West of the Rockies, including Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico, call ART at 1-800-618-8255 or call ART on the wildcard line at area code 702-727-1295.
		This is Coast to Coast AM from the Kingdom of Nigh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My suggestion, turn the lights down, turn the radio up, get as comfortable as you can, because some of what you hear is going to require you be in a nice, comfortable place.
		By the way, with respect to my story about the Hotel Del Coronado, I just got this.
		Hi, Art.
		My sister-in-law actually works at the Hotel Del Coronado as a conciance.
		She says, the ghost stories are real, and you can, even if you wish it rent, I repeat, you can rent the haunted room.
		That's from Jeff in Mherst, Ohio.
		Wonder if that's really true.
		Thank you, Jeff.
		And by the way, for any of you who have ghost stories out there, just send me a fax and tempt me.
		Tell me how good it is and give me a phone number.
		And if I am tempted enough, I will call you and get you on the air.
		My fax number is area code 702-727-8499.
		If you can't tempt me in one page, you can't do it, so hold it to one page.
		Now, back to the gentleman who saw the apparition down the hall in the bedroom and then turned to his wife.
		And his wife saw it too, right, sir?
unidentified		Yes, she had seen it, but it was at a different time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so then what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, did you sit there and compare notes with her or what?
unidentified		Well, the hair was standing up on the back of my neck, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure it was.
unidentified		And I didn't know what to think.
unidentified		I just moved my wife and my children into a house, and I didn't know how long I was going to be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you think about getting out?
unidentified		You know, at that point, I really didn't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		Actually, it's so easy to say, man, I'd be out of there like a shot.
		But the fact of the matter is, there are financial considerations, there are physical considerations.
		You have a wife, you have children, you have a lot of furniture, you've moved into a house.
		So you don't just immediately make a decision to split.
unidentified		Let me tell you, the rest of my notes that I have here for you that I compiled today, you're going to think more and more of why we didn't actually get out.
		On or around March 22nd, I was alone in the house.
		My wife had left with her sister and my children.
		They went over visiting for the day.
		It was around the noon hour.
		I was preparing to leave for work.
		I'd just come out of the restroom that adjoined our master bedroom.
		Bear in mind, our bedroom used to be my deceased mother-in-law's bedroom.
		In a fairly quick instance, as I looked over my right shoulder, and I can see this as plainly as the day that, in my mind, is the day that I did see it, in just a few seconds' time, I saw my deceased mother-in-law leaning over the dresser area where her dresser used to be in her room.
		And it appeared as if she was leaning over to place something down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This time, she was of more form?
unidentified		Yes.
		Shortly thereafter, that situation, an interesting yet strange phenomenon began to occur.
		My deceased mother-in-law had, there was a beautiful type plush white carpet, very white carpet in her home.
		It was throughout the home.
		There was no variance throughout any of the rooms whatsoever.
		And I'm just giving the details so the listeners understand what I'm about to say.
		One morning, I would believe it was the end of March, 1st of April, my wife said, honey, come look at this.
		And I said, well, when you walked barefoot on the carpet art, it would leave almost a type of imprint of your foot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand exactly what you're saying, yes.
unidentified		And so we experimented a little bit.
		This was not my wife's footprint art.
		It wasn't my footprint.
		And it was much too large to be either of my daughter's.
		Sure.
		So we just stood there looking down, and my wife said, I know it's my mother's.
		I know it's my mother's footprint, and she lived with her mother until she married me until she was 19 years of age.
		She felt that, you know, also too, from that time on, that the constant set of eyes or being watched was all the more ever-present.
		Our dog, on many occasions, would stand up and stare across the house into our bedroom, whining, staring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to ask, it's an embarrassing question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't have to answer this, but if it was your wife's mother haunting the house, present in the house, didn't that kind of take the edge off moments of intimacy for your wife?
unidentified		Well, at that time, Art, and like that is a personal question, my wife was only about three months from delivering our son.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You say no more.
unidentified		That's fine.
unidentified		Very pregnant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, I can imagine it would be a problem.
unidentified		I can understand what you're saying, and I do agree with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mom, if you're listening, you know what I mean.
unidentified		Okay.
		In the summer months, another factor started to come into play.
		And this is one when I was writing it earlier this evening, because I'm listing this in as much of a chronological order as I can.
		Sure.
		I was reluctant to discuss this, and the only reason I am discussing it right now is after we'd moved out and we're living where we're living now, I asked my wife if she, you know, I didn't want her to think I was nuts.
		So I asked her and she looked at me and said, yes, I had to, and this is the next part of the story.
		At night in my wife and I's bedroom, which of course was my deceased mother-in-law's, at times my vision in the dark, I would lay awake at times and it would start to blur.
		Eerie, if not demonic type faces would appear in the dark room.
		They would come, it was very sharp to me and they would fade out slowly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be enough for me.
unidentified		The thing that bothered me about this art was if this was my mother, it wasn't that, obviously to me was not my mother-in-law.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously.
unidentified		Her appearance was not as foreboding as this particular situation.
unidentified		And I started, that's when I started thinking, my God, is there a portal or something else that followed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly where I was about to go.
		We've got to wrap this up, but that's exactly where I was going.
		Is there a clothesline to this, or is that essentially it?
		Did you get out of there or what?
unidentified		Well, at that point, those things were starting to happen at the end of the summer.
		There were stumping noises on the wall.
		Many occasions at the noon hour, almost on certain days, frequently the phone would ring.
		There would never be anybody there.
		And the one thing that I would like to say, Art, and this is probably of some interest to you, I often wonder at this point if the intrusion, taking it nothing but an appearance by my mother-in-law in the last few recent days to my wife, has appeared.
		And there hasn't been anything since we moved to our new home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Listen, thank you so very much.
		There are two things here.
		One, it's pretty well known, and I can't explain why, maybe you can, maybe one of you can, why a spirit, apparently trapped on earth, or one that has not yet moved on remains essentially in the same place, the same house, the same geography, the same place.
		Why?
		Why?
		And the second thing that I would draw from that is he said it himself.
		Do you think it might be true that once something has come through or is visible on both sides, depending on how you want to look at it, that in essence a portal has opened, allowing not just the spirit of his mother-in-law, but more to come through.
		That's worth some thought.
		On our international line, you are on the air.
		Good morning to you.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Mark from Auckland, New Zealand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Auckland, New Zealand.
		Yes, sir.
		Welcome to the program.
unidentified		Yes, I have a bit of an unusual ghost story to tell.
		All right.
		I frequently have out-of-body experiences, and one time I managed to catch a glimpse of my own ghost.
		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, if anything would stop me from having OBEs, assuming I could have them at will, that would do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You saw your own ghost.
unidentified		Yes, well, people who frequently have out-of-body experiences will know that you can sometimes get stuck in your corporeal body or physical body.
		This frequently happens to me.
		And this one time, a part of me separated while my vision remained in my body, my physical body, and I saw this watery ghost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you saw your spiritual self in a visual way with the vision from your own body leaving your body?
unidentified		Yeah, I saw it walking across the room.
		Well, I saw myself walking across the room.
		It was sort of like a third-person perspective.
		Did that stop you from doing that?
		No, I've had more hair-raising experiences than that.
		That was unusual, though.
		But no, it hasn't stopped me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would have stopped me cold.
		All right, my friend, thank you.
		That's from New Zealand.
		That would have stopped me cold.
		To have the physical vision remain in a somewhat active mind and to see your spirit leave your own body and to realize that your essentially dead, spiritless body is observing its own spirit leaving.
		No, thank you.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Austin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Austin, Texas.
unidentified		All right?
unidentified		In the story, it's kind of secondhand because something my mother told me happened before I was born.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, what is your name?
unidentified		Sarah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sarah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Sarah.
unidentified		Okay.
		She was living in Salem, Massachusetts with my father.
		They'd gotten married recently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And in the house they were living, I think it was probably an old house, these things started happening.
		First, the cats started acting weird.
		Like they'd be running across the room and all of a sudden they'd stop like there was a wall in front of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've seen cats do that many times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They see things we don't.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		And once or twice she said she found them in shut dresser drawers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cats?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		They'd have gotten inside the drawer and it was shut behind them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		She was alone in the apartment.
		And once the bathroom door was stuck and she wasn't sure why it was stuck.
		She kept trying to get it open.
		My father wasn't home so she had to get a neighbor to help her open it and it took him a lot of work to get it open.
		And when they got it open it was like 20 degrees colder in the bathroom Than it had been anywhere else in the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
		And then my father would start, he would say he felt a hand on the back of his neck, but my mother was across the room or in a different room, and there was no one else in the house.
		And then the last thing that happened, my mom said this was the last thing that happened, and after that, nothing ever happened.
		My father came in the room where she was, and he was like all white and shaking and told her that he had been walking up the stairs, and he saw this woman walking down the stairs towards him, and that she was wearing like old-fashioned clothes.
		That was all they told me.
		I didn't get any more details than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		She was walking towards him.
		And then when they passed each other on the stairs, he felt like totally cold all the way through.
		And then she vanished, and then they never saw anything else again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure do appreciate the story.
unidentified		I thought she'd want to hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
		Thank you.
		I wonder what it is about the presence of an entity that causes temperatures to drop.
		And by the way, I might add measurably drop.
		I have interviewed any number of ghost researchers, and it's about half and half.
		Some say they're unable to measure the temperature to drop, but they can certainly feel it.
		The other half say they have measured up to, as this young lady said, up to 20 degrees and more of difference.
		Sometimes right down to freezing.
		She mentioned cats and brings to mind the following.
		Again from Canada.
		Canada must be a very haunted place.
		Art, where I live, we have woods by our house, about seven-tenths of a kilometer by six-tenths of a kilometer in size.
		And in this woods is a man, some time ago, who hung himself, actually 70 years ago, when his wife had died at an early age.
		70 years ago, the land that everyone is now living on was farmland.
		And ever since those woods, I've been left alone.
		The only thing about the man was he was a cat lover.
		He had about four cats.
		And I can tell you there is something about those woods that is pretty freaky now.
		Every now and then, even now, there is a gathering of cats in the woods.
		No lie, I've seen them.
		They just sit around, 10 to 20 of them.
		I'll tell you what I'll do.
		I'll try and get a picture of it next time it happens and send it to you.
		I believe the cats are gathering in this man's name.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Aloha, Art.
		This is Mike calling from Kihei Maui, Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Mike.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		I'm fine, thanks.
		Actually, I told you this briefly a few years ago.
		My wife and I, my wife Bolly and I, had gone over to Kauai pre-Eniki, the year before Iniki hit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the big terrible hurricane, yeah.
unidentified		It was a nasty one.
		We stayed at an older, fairly flat resort called the Cocoa Palms.
		It was nice.
		We had driven around the day.
		We went back to the hotel, pretty tired, and we went to bed after listening to the little band downstairs.
		Sometime in the night, I woke up.
		I was on my back in the bed, and something, fairly large, kind of glowing, was at the foot of the bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mad.
unidentified		It was human shaped, and it scared the bejesus out of me to the point where I was petrified and could not move.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Describe it more than that.
		human shape the uh...
		the sort of a a mystery nor a of the Well, at least seven feet tall.
unidentified		If it was a person, it probably would have weighed several hundred pounds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so this is very large.
unidentified		Like 250, 300 pounds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		The perception I got was that it was kind of glowing like a glow stick.
unidentified		You know, those green glow sticks you crack at night?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, it scared me so bad, all I did was close my eyes.
		Whatever it is, it's going to go away.
		I'm closing my eyes.
		That's it.
		Woke up in the morning, my wife and I finished our time on Kauai, went to Oahu, and driving from the airport over the Pali to the other side, I told her on the Pali, I said, you know what, Dave?
		Last night there was something in our room.
		And she turned to me and the chicken skin started.
		That's when you get the goosebumps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they call it in Hawaii, chicken skin.
unidentified		She freaked out with her big Hawaiian eyes and looked at me and said, I saw it too.
		And I said, well, what would you see?
		Apparently she must have seen a little more than I did and or perceived more than I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe she didn't close her eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure did.
unidentified		My wife says that she saw a very large Hawaiian float in through the window and stand at the foot of our bed.
		And it was, to her, she said it was very pissed off.
		It was a pissed-off Hawaiian.
		Now, I'm white.
		My wife's almost pure Hawaiian.
		I'm wondering, is this a Hawaiian ghost looking down seeing a local woman with a white man?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
unidentified		Angry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
unidentified		That was very perturbing, and we both had chicken skin for quite some time that evening.
		One more recently, unfortunately my wife's lovely father, who lives over in Waimea on the Big Island, was diagnosed with a terminal cancer around May this year.
		And he decided that he would prefer not to fight it and would go with hospice care and prefer to live out his remaining time in the living room at home.
		And with a lot of the homes here in Hawaii, we have day beds in the living room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I would make the same choice.
unidentified		So Shem, that's his name, you know, her dad, spent out his remaining time in the living room, on the beautiful hospice bed provided.
		Mom lovingly cared for him, and it was wonderful because he had time and all of us family could come by and say aloha.
		Well, we're staying there and he has not yet passed away, and the only room left because of all of the Ohana or family over is mom and dad's room, which they really don't sleep in too much anyway because they sleep in the living room.
		Anyway, Dad is still alive, but getting near the end.
		This was within three days of him passing on.
		My wife and I go to bed about 11 o'clock at night in the parents' bed.
		I'm sleeping on my stomach and something gives me a finger jab poke through the mattress into my ribs.
		It felt like it came up about two inches.
		It woke me up, scared the hell out of me, and I said, Bonnie!
		She goes, what?
		It was something poked me in the ribs.
		And I rolled over onto my back, and she goes, are you okay?
		I go, yeah, but what was that?
		She goes, I don't know.
		And then something, the pressure of someone sitting down on my legs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I said, on your legs?
unidentified		On my legs.
		I said, and I'm getting chicken skin now.
		I'm freaking out remembering.
		I said, Dave, it's sitting on my legs.
		What am I going to do?
		She says, it's okay.
		It's all right.
		It's probably just dad, his spirit coming into the room saying, you're in our bed.
		I said, well, he's not dead yet.
		She says, I know, but this is his house and he can move around when he wants.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		I said, babe, can I please sleep in another room?
		I can't handle this too much.
		She said, okay.
		So we switched with her sister.
		And dad passed on shortly after that.
		We have not yet, myself, she's returned to visit mom twice.
		I'm a little leery about visiting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think the state of Hawaii is such a haunted state?
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, though.
		I've had guests on who have told story after story like the ones you just told.
		Hawaii is a very, very haunted set of islands.
		There's no question about it.
unidentified		You and your wife, well, your wife's from Oahu, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		Thank you for listening, Art.
unidentified		I hope your audience keeps in mind that the loved ones are close by.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, sir.
unidentified		Aloha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's it.
		Tonight, all we're doing, as you can already tell, are ghost stories.
		Real ghost stories.
		And it's so easy to do.
		You know why?
		Because there are so many of them.
		Almost as many of them as there are you.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
unidentified		And now back to the best of ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'm on my way toward being caught up here.
		Sorry about that.
		I get caught up in the stories, and it just happens.
		Here is a gentleman who works or did work, actually.
		He did the same thing I did in a 911 dispatch center, I guess fire dispatch center.
		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in Virch Bay, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program.
unidentified		Well, thank you, Ort.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're about to tell me that you have had ghosts call 911?
unidentified		In a way, yeah.
unidentified		It was basically to, oh, gee, it would be well over a hundred-year-old emergency, I would say, of a dying woman in a small Mexican village on the banks of a Santa Ana River.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A hundred-year-old emergency.
unidentified		Middle 1800s, 1864, to be exact.
unidentified		So it's a time travel story as well as a ghost story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess it is, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it may be that where the spirits are, there is no time as we quite exactly understand it or think we do.
unidentified		Oh, sure.
unidentified		And, you know, if they have a story to tell, it can wait for eternity if it has to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, apparently, one did at least part way.
unidentified		Well, let me tell you a little bit about how this started.
		I had just started at this fire communications center.
		It was on the banks of the Santa Ana River.
		This was in 1984.
		And basically, it was a 24-hour operation.
		We were on a 24-hour shift, so we would sleep and eat and pretty much live there for an entire day and then be relieved by the relief crew and work that type of schedule.
		So normally my shift would end at 8 p.m.
		From 8 a.m. to 8 p.m.
		I would get to sleep from 8 p.m. till 1 a.m. and then go back on the board till 4 in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
unidentified		And we just, that way, we could at least get a couple hours of uninterrupted sleep.
		Well, I thought the strangest thing was that none of the dispatchers would sleep in the dormitory, which struck me as really odd.
		They all seemed afraid of the place.
		And you know the dispatch personality, they're usually guys that are rock-solid individuals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		They're pretty fearless people, basically.
		But we'd have guys sleeping in the hallways or bedding down in the lounge, you know, that type of thing.
		Well, I'd been on for about a week, and I got woken up in the morning by the intercom saying that, you know, I could sleep till noon because I was going to have to work a 12-hour overtime shift.
		Someone had called in sick, and I was basically up for it.
		Well, about a half hour later, and usually these things happen when you're dead asleep, I felt something lay across my legs and there was a groan, like somebody going, you know, when they're stretching.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I woke up and I saw this kind of a, it wasn't a mist, it was almost like a gelatinous fog breaking above my head, and the room was pitch black dark, which was really a strange thing.
		So anyway, I stumbled out in the dispatch center and asked the people if, you know, what the heck was going on and, you know, why are they playing games?
		And they all gave a conspiratorial look to each other and said, yeah, go back to bed.
		We'll tell you about the ghosts later, right?
		I said real good after that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
unidentified		Well, anyway, it was uneventful.
		I came back for the next shift, and that's when the weirdness happened.
		One in the morning, just a little bit before one in the morning.
		I went into the strangest dream I've ever had.
		I was walking along the banks of the Santa Ana River, and it felt, I mean, I knew it was 1864.
		I just knew it.
		And I thought, this is the strangest dream.
		For one thing, I'm here.
		I can feel the wind on my skin.
		It was just barely blowing.
		I could hear the leaves rustling.
		I could feel the sand crunch underneath my feet along the banks of this river.
		And I thought, wow, this is really interesting.
		I know where I'm at.
		I'm right by the fire dispatch center, but the city's gone.
		I mean, there's nothing here.
		And, you know, where are all the children anyway?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean you were literally seeing the same geography minus the buildings and the people?
unidentified		Except for, you know, differences, the variations of a river as it changes over the year.
		But my internal radar and compass told me I was exactly at the fire dispatch center.
		I was actually walking up to it approaching northbound along the banks of the San Ana River.
		And I saw this small house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Kind of like an adobe little house like you would see, part of a rancher or a very small village.
		And this woman appeared in the door.
		And she was what you would call, oh, gee, probably about a 20-year-old, really beautiful senorita.
		I mean, she was just gorgeous with long flowing hair and a smile that would melt your heart.
		I mean, this was like, wow, you know, what's going on?
		Anyway, she beckoned to me to come to the door.
		And as soon as my foot hit the threshold of this little house, I was kind of transported into her, if you know what I mean.
		It's like she melted with me, for want of a better word.
		We were like one person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Spock would say mind meld, yes.
unidentified		Almost like that, but not quite as like, you know, as trite as you would expect something on Star Trek.
		This was like a total two bodies and two souls instantly mingling together.
		Wow.
		And it was an instant feeling of like warmth and love and a tremendous sexual rush, which later on I found out that that happens sometimes.
		Anyway, she kind of separated from me and beckoned me into the house, and I went in there and she showed me this old woman laying on a bed.
		And prior to entering the fire service, I'd been an ambulance driver in L.A. and you pretty much know when a person's ready to breathe their last.
		And this woman was definitely, she was what they call chain-stoking, that, you know, final type of breathing.
		And she had on a kind of like a floral print, a shift dress.
		And this girl started to tell me that, you know, she was the last of the small village.
		And she had stayed there and taken care of all the people that were sick.
		And they had a drought and a famine.
		And some type of terrible disease had come through the community and killed a lot of people.
		And basically, everybody just packed up and went upriver to try to find a better place to live.
		Took all the children and healthy people and animals, and they all just split.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Makes sense, yeah.
unidentified		And she was the last one taking care of the last person alive that could not make the trip.
		Well, to make a long story shorter, she basically started telling me how all these people died.
		This is when the dream got really bad.
		I mean, it was like I was trapped in this place.
		If you know, well, you obviously know the personality of a dispatcher that's fully in control of his environment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I certainly do.
unidentified		I mean, you are the savior of the city.
		Otherwise, you'll never make it.
		Anyway, it was the first time in my career that I ever felt totally trapped and scared and wanting to just get up and run from the dispatch center, even though I wasn't there, but I was.
		All these faces started coming at me.
		They were all like Mexican villagers, which is what lived in that part of California at the time.
		And as each face came at me, I died with them.
		And they were talking to me.
		And one after another after another.
		It must have been 100 faces just coming.
		I mean, like, you know, literally face to face with me.
		And I felt the pain of their death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it you didn't sleep in there again.
unidentified		Oh, I did.
		I was not going to let this.
		I was going to get to the bottom of what the heck was going on with this thing.
		Anyway, there was the, you know, I used to hate it when 1 o'clock would roll along and a dispatcher's voice would come on the speaker and say, you know, get out of this sack.
		It's time to hit the board.
		Well, the dispatcher that was handling the shift came on and he pulled me out of my sleep.
		Anyway, I stumbled into the communications center, didn't even put on my uniform.
		I was drenched in sweat.
		I had this big lump in my throat.
		These tears were just like pouring down my face.
		And he looked at me and said, what in the heck happened to you?
		So I told him, I think I just got visited by a ghost.
		And that's when he finally said, oh, these darn ghosts, you know, it's like they've been banging on the switchboard all night.
		I've had this creepy feeling like something's standing here watching me, and I can't take this anymore.
		I'm going to go sleep in the lounge.
		I'm not sleeping in that dorm anymore.
		So I figured, okay, well, you know, there is something here.
		It's not just me.
		Well, what ended up happening is once my story came out, all the other guys and the women that worked there started opening up to me and telling me their stories.
		We had a Mexican dispatcher.
		He was basically a guy that, to him, true love was finding a hooker that would take 25 bucks.
		And, you know, he was just the most lazy person I've ever met.
		You know, took a shower maybe once a week if he needed it.
		But he told me this really interesting story about how he would have these nightmares that he was totally trapped in his bed, like something was crushing his chest.
		And he would talk in Spanish.
		And the other dispatchers would say, yeah, you know, when this guy's sleeping, he starts speaking Spanish, and that's when he's having these nightmares.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's obvious to me, sir.
		Thank you very much for your call and your story.
		It's obvious to me what was occurring.
		I do worked in a 911 dispatch center in Monterey County.
		And on a daily basis, even an hourly basis, you deal with life and death.
		Actually, I found it to be too much, and I spent a year at it and bailed out.
		But you deal with life and death.
		I'm the kind of person that takes my work home with me.
		And so it was not the job for me.
		But a place of haunting?
		Oh, yes.
		Oh, yes, of course.
		A place of crisis?
		A place where death is documented nearly on an hourly basis, sometimes more?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
		On my first time caller line, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Paul, from London, Ontario, Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		London, Ontario, Haunted Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, and actually we are pretty haunted.
		Actually, the one I've got is from happened when I was about eight years old.
		So we were a bunch of us sitting around messing around and the guys I was with decided to hold a seance.
		And we were sitting in my friend's basement and...
		Well, yeah, you know, you're in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's like, you're really inviting it.
unidentified		Well, yeah, that's what, like, I didn't take part.
		I sat off in the corner going, no, I just, this isn't for me.
		Besides, I didn't really believe in that stuff at the time.
		After that, I really changed.
		Halfway through the seance, I kept hearing strange noises, and we were sitting in his basement, and they just kept going, shh, stop making noises.
		And I was like, well, it's not me.
		They're like, yeah, sure, just shut up.
		We're trying to get a hold of this ghost.
		And all of a sudden, something made me look off in the corner.
		He had an old TV that his dad was going to throw out sitting in the corner.
		Well, when I looked, I noticed it started to glow.
		And after a few minutes, it just exploded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The television exploded?
unidentified		Yes.
		The whole screen blew out.
		And what did it for me was the fact it was unplugged?
		The thing is, the TV was unplugged.
		When I looked on top of it, I saw other people have called in before about it, seeing the dark man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The dark man?
unidentified		Yes.
		I saw a dark...
		He was sitting cross-legged on the TV wearing a long coat.
		He just looked at me, smiled, nodded, stood up, and disappeared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd be out of there so fast.
unidentified		Well, the thing is, no one else saw it but me.
unidentified		They kept...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said the television.
unidentified		Oh, they all saw the TV explode.
		His mom came downstairs yelling, what happened, and we were just nothing.
		Like, I couldn't tell her, well, there was someone on top of the TV made it blow up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First of all, a television under no circumstance, sitting there, sedentary, not plugged in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Televisions do not explode, period.
unidentified		Oh, I know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even plugged in once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be it for me.
unidentified		Well, the thing is, for me, you'd think you'd be scared, but I was just looking at it going, okay, that was odd.
		And I mean, since that day, I've seen the same dark man every so often out of the corner of my eye.
		It's almost like he's watching me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe he's waiting for you.
unidentified		Well, that's what I think, because ever since then, I've seen him, and if I don't see him, I'll hear him call my name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And the thing is, it's loud and clear.
unidentified		Other people have heard it, and we can be in an empty hallway, and we'll hear my name clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe one day when he calls your name, you will go with him.
unidentified		Oh, that's what I've thought.
		And the thing is, though, like I said, I'm not afraid of it.
		It's almost like he's there protecting me for something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you should be afraid.
unidentified		Well, everyone says that, but I don't know.
		Like I said, it's just something about him doesn't seem to be scary.
		He just seems to be there.
		He doesn't seem to be presenting any harm to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you've got to consider that he's there for a reason.
unidentified		Oh, that I'm pretty sure of.
unidentified		I mean, it was since that day I've started seeing other ghosts as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		All right.
		Well, I appreciate your call.
		I'm a little hesitant to suggest to you that you may be associating with somebody who is going to take you from where you are now to where you will eventually be.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is Alan in Parrump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here in Barump?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excellent.
unidentified		Almost neighbors, I guess.
unidentified		Before I start my story, I had to chuckle when I, I don't remember, I guess it was a letter you read or a facts about someone from Canada and the cat story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		You might want to mention to the listeners about the fire we had here last week, and they pulled out what was about 104 cats that were dead out of that home.
unidentified		I don't know if you read that in the newspaper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did.
unidentified		Yeah, that was pretty gruesome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty horrible, yes.
		Perump is a strange place in so many ways.
		Are you outside?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
unidentified		As a matter of fact, I'm on the porch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not mine, I presume.
unidentified		Oh, I'm not exactly sure where you live, no.
unidentified		My wife says I talk loud, and I didn't want to wake the kids up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
		So you're outside, and we're getting a little bit of wind tonight.
		It looks like we're going to get some rain, huh?
unidentified		It sprinkled a little bit and chased me in earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, you know, it's kind of a spooky night out here, isn't it?
unidentified		Yeah, it's overcast.
unidentified		It has been all day, but not quite this bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, I'm at a breakpoint, so I'm going to hold you over, and since you're in for obviously, there is no charge.
unidentified		So stay right where you are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're telling ghost stories this night, and that's all we're doing.
		If you wish, call it ghost to ghost.
		If you wish.
unidentified		Call it anything You want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It happens to nearly everybody, as I said earlier.
		There are nearly as many stories as there are all of you out there.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
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		This is Coast to Coast AM, from the kingdom of Nye, with Art Bell.
		It was never a best song.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of pitch, doesn't it?
unidentified		Only on June yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		I'm Arthur, and all we're doing tonight is telling ghost stories.
		We'll get right back to it.
unidentified		We'll get right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have a lot of documented ghost photographs.
		By the way, you should see the one on my website now from 1906.
		Here in the desert, when the clouds and the wind and the rain come, it's very eerie indeed.
		And here is my caller again.
		Out on his porch still?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
		Uh-huh.
		After a quick turkey break.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir, from here in Erie, Pahrump, what have you?
unidentified		Well, back in 1983, I was a young married father, and I took my wife and little baby.
		We moved to California to Long Beach.
		I had a rather low-paying job, and I had an uncle that offered us an apartment in his apartment building if we managed it, so it was for free.
		It was a little one-bedroom apartment, and we were so poor we didn't own a bed yet.
		We had a fold-out couch.
		So we put the baby in his crib in the one-bedroom, and we slept out on the couch until we could get to bed.
		Every night, usually about 9 or 10 o'clock, the baby would wake up just screaming hysterical.
		We'd bring him out, and as soon as we brought him out, he would calm down and go to sleep.
		And it got to the point for about a month where we wound up having him sleep with us every night.
		We finally got to bed, excuse me, and switched rooms.
		We put him out in the front room in his crib, and we slept in the bedroom.
		I guess it was about a month or so went by.
		One night I was sleeping, and I started having this weird dream that turned really scary.
		Now, as I was growing up, there was a period where I was a young kid, I had scary dreams all the time, and I guess out of necessity, I taught myself to wake up when a dream got too scary.
		Now, this happened to me.
		I woke up, I was laying face down on my water bed, and something had a hand in the middle of my back, and had a hand on the back of my head and was shoving me down into the water, into the pillow.
		And I couldn't breathe.
		So I opened my mouth to talk, to call for help to my wife, and whatever it was, it bound my tongue.
		I couldn't talk.
		All it was coming out was a bunch of gibberish.
		So I was struggling back and forth, and whatever it was was incredibly strong and shoving me down into this water bed.
		And I figured, well, if I wiggle back and forth enough, I'll wake my wife up.
		Well, she woke up and she says, my gosh, what's going on?
		And she flipped on the light.
		And as soon as she turned on the light, whatever it was, released me.
		And I looked up at her and she looked at me and she says, oh, my gosh, what happened?
		I feel this, it felt, she describes that the room felt like it was just filled with hate.
		And I explained to her what had happened and was just, you know, I didn't sleep very much that night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thanks a lot.
		I've got a water bed.
		And up until now, I've loved it.
		Well, I can only imagine that.
		That was attempted murder.
unidentified		Well, let me finish the story, and it gets even creepier.
		We said a couple of quick prayers, and the room still felt creepy.
		We didn't sleep much that night.
		I was also working for my uncle.
		So the next day I told him what had happened.
		And he kind of scoffed at it.
		He says, oh, yeah, right.
		I've never had anyone else complain about living in that apartment.
		And I said, well, I wonder what happened.
		And then he got kind of serious for a minute.
		And he goes, well, there's something I didn't want to tell you.
		He said, a year before you and your wife moved in, we had a couple that lived there.
		And the man was a drug dealer.
		And he wound up getting murdered in that room.
		Somebody came and busted in and shot him with a shotgun.
		And I said, and you're trying to tell me you don't believe what I'm telling you, that you think it's just a bunch of mumbo-jumbo.
		And he really didn't say much after that.
		And that's basically my story.
		Up until then, of course, I'd never believed in ghosts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And after that, I've been converted.
		I appreciate the call on the dark, rainy night.
		Take care.
		That was attempted murder.
		That was attempted murder.
		Can you imagine having that happen to you?
		A presence that you can't possibly fight, pressing you down into the bed.
		Pressing your tongue so you cannot speak, your head, your back into the bed.
unidentified		No, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Good morning.
		You're on Ghost to Ghost AM.
		I'm Ardo.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		I'm in Tampa, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tampa, Florida.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm listening to you on your net.
		Okay.
		My story goes back to when I joined the Navy.
		Well, I joined in 1980 as a nuclear power electrician and got assigned to the USS Enterprise in 1982.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the Enterprise.
unidentified		Right.
		And biggest nuclear power carrier in the world.
		She will not fit through the Panama Canal.
		She has to go all the way around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe that.
		I went through the Panama Canal myself on a large cruise liner.
		And as we went through, we scraped the sides of the ship.
		So it was that close.
unidentified		Well, it has to do with ghosts that have been there for quite some time.
		They've been there for a very long time.
		The refit took three years before I even got to the ship.
		They took the superstructure off, put a new one on, and I was just getting to the boat as she came out of her refit.
		And so these guys who assigned watches were telling me, do you want a mid-watch and 5-6 switchgear?
		And I said, I don't know.
		And they said, well, you know, there's a ghost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not a Navy guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		5-6 switchgear, what's that?
unidentified		That's where the 5-6 switchgear is where the controls for the ship service term generators are for paralleling and taking up and down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Generators, okay.
unidentified		Okay.
		And so I didn't really much believe him, and he gave me a mid-watch.
		And I stood a mid-watch on 5-6 switchgear and heard somebody roaming around in the back room.
		Because that one switchgear, we had our little office where we had our morning meetings, and we had our gear pullers and our electrical equipment in there.
		And it sounded like someone opening, closing drawers and moving around.
		And I walk in there, and there's only one way in and out, one door.
		And you can see it from the switchgear where you're at.
		And I open the door, and there's nobody in there.
		And I thought, well, maybe somebody's messing with me, but there was never anybody in that switchgear.
		And then I come to find out there was another ghost haunting number two and three switchgear.
		And by the way, if there's any listeners who were on the Enterprise who were in EE30, Electrical Engineering Group 30, they can verify this.
		And 2 and 3 Switchgear, there was also a ghost.
		Now from what I was told, these guys who were haunting had been vaporized by opening disconnects when they were fully energized.
		And what that had done is it drew an arc and created a fireball and vaporized him and the switchgear around him.
		It just vaporized everything it touched.
		And so these people were instantly turned into gas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, cinder.
unidentified		Right.
		And the one in two and three switchgear was more prevalent.
		One guy told me, he says, yeah, you can't sleep in two and three switchgear because he'll keep you awake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is very common.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, when people die that way, completely, unexpectedly, instantly, tragically, that's when they seem to remain.
unidentified		And the thing was, he was like a guardian.
		You know what I mean?
		He was making sure that the guys didn't fall asleep on watch because he'd do something to you.
		Now, I was just, you know, I was wondering about the 1, 2, and 3 because I hadn't ever seen it.
		So I decided to play a trick.
		And I decided to pretend I was nodding off.
		And it felt like someone grabbed the back of my head, my hair, and yanked my head and jerked it to wake me up.
		And I was like, man.
		And that just sends a shiver up your spine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it you stayed awake on future watches.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		It was really, really something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're telling me that anybody who was on the Enterprise EE30 at that time could verify this.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
		Oh, yes.
		Guarantee it.
		Guarantee it.
		There's absolutely no doubt.
		In fact, one guy left his post screaming from 2-3 switchgear and said he'd never stand watch there again, ever.
		And he never told anybody what happened.
		And he wasn't in Electrical Engineering Group 30.
		He was a conventional electrician.
		Sometimes really good conventional electricians, they'd let stand watch on those switch gears.
		But see, the thing was, there was the nuclear electricians and there was the EE30.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of voltage and current were running through those?
unidentified		450?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		450.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Tremendous current ratings of those generators.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tremendous, I'm sure.
unidentified		We had eight turbine generators in all, and there were four react or there were four main machinery rooms and two reactors for each.
		So we had a total of eight reactors, and each reactor, I believe, was one megawatt each.
		So we were running about eight megawatts of power when we were churning and burning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate, I'm sure you were glad to get off the Enterprise.
unidentified		Well, you know what?
		I never really had a problem with them.
		It didn't really scare me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was there any doubt about the fact?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you say you tried to, you sort of pretended to be asleep.
unidentified		Yeah, I was trying to see if it was real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that it could have been your imagination?
unidentified		Oh, no.
		Oh, no.
		When someone comes up to you and grabs your hair and jerks your head, you know it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
unidentified		You know it.
		I mean, that's something.
		And it happened to anybody who ever fell asleep in two and three switch gear, boom.
		They get waking up instantly.
		You could never, never fall asleep when they're while you were on watch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate your call, sir.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Take care.
		He's right.
		There would be no mistaking somebody grabbing your hair and yanking your head up, would there?
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Mr. Belf.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said, how are you?
unidentified		Pretty good.
unidentified		And yourself?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from southern Indiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Southern Indiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Well, I'd like to answer your questions first.
		You had a couple like why do ghosts stay in one place?
		And I think there was something right up about why does the temperature change when there are ghosts around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the last caller was a very good example of a ghost that remained exactly there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if that one didn't do it for you, I've got one from San Antonio, Texas, it'll curl your hair.
unidentified		That was fairly scary, but I was wanting to explain to you why ghosts stay there, though.
		Now, I was speaking from the philosophical point of a ceremonial magician.
		I don't know if you know anything about ceremonial magic or Kabbalah or ritual magic or anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know a little bit about it.
unidentified		Are you familiar with the philosophical elements, like earth, air, fire, and water?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am.
unidentified		Well, they have spirits associated with those.
		They're intelligences of sorts that are similar to animals as far as their intellectual level.
		But sometimes the elementals can feed off of emotional energy that people put out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And when people pass away, they'll leave their astral shell or astral body behind.
		And sometimes these elementals can take control of these astral shells.
		And they'll present themselves as a ghost when, in fact, they're elementals, but they'll take on this form.
		And like, for example, a deceased father or a mother or something.
		And when this person feels an emotional attachment to this image they see, that elemental control energy from the individual.
		That's one reason why ghosts stare around like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, they produce one of the greatest emotions a human can have, mortal fear, and then feed from it.
unidentified		Yeah, fear, love, any kind of emotion, anger, hate, anything, elementals can feed from that.
		Not all elementals will do that, though.
		It has to be something that's learned from them.
		Kind of trained.
		Like I said, they have the intelligence of animals.
		But that also has to do with the temperature change in the room.
		Because, for example, a water elemental could produce a cool temperature in a room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would a spirit be bound like the spirit on the Enterprise or the spirits?
		To, in effect, stand guard.
		Now, I'm going to tell you a very quick story, very much like it.
		I think a lot of the audience may have heard this or perhaps not, but it is a true story, believe it.
		In San Antonio, Texas, a school bus full of children stalled on a train track.
		A train hit it, broadside, killed all the children, or the majority of the children on the bus.
		A horrible tragedy in the San Antonio area.
		And ever since, at that particular intersection, if a car stalls, in fact, people go and test it.
		They actually take their car and they drive onto these train tracks and stop and put the car in neutral.
		And the car is always pushed or seemingly moves by itself off the tracks and onto the road on the other side into safety.
		Now, they have tested this.
		They have taken cars and put them on the tracks with talcum powder on the back of the car.
unidentified		Actually, I have heard of this, Mr. Bill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This true story.
		And when the car reaches the other side of the tracks, there are children's handprints to be found in the talcum powder.
		And this can be done repeatedly.
		It'll occur again and again and again.
		And the story from the Enterprise reminded me of that.
unidentified		See, something like that may work on the same lines that a talisman may work.
		Now, a talisman, I don't know if you're familiar with how talismans operate, but when a talisman is created, it creates a vortex of energy that draws things to it.
		So if you create a talisman to, say, bring money into your life or love or whatever else you make the talisman for, it creates a magnetic attraction to that.
		Now, it's curious that there were several people involved in the accident when there were quite a few people together, and an accident like this occurs, there's a great amount of fear for a split instant before they're killed that goes through their minds.
		Now this would be imprinted on the material that was around them at the time, so that could work very similar.
		It could create a Yeah, like, for example, the land around it, the specific area where the accident happened, the railroad tracks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		As a matter of fact, iron is a very good conductor for etheric energies like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you a little story, because we're out of time.
		But you mentioned it.
		Scientists are now believing that material things, wood, glass, crystal, in fact, most material objects carry memories, and scientists are actually getting to the point where they can extract these memories, kind of like a video show.
		Kind of like the, if that motel bed could tell a story.
		But I'm very serious about that.
		Material things that soon may be able to relate what has happened around them.
unidentified		The End
unidentified		With the green in the old view And now back to the best of ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
		And I think we're going down to San Diego, California.
		And we're going to hear from a police officer named Steve.
		Steve, are you there?
unidentified		Yes, sir, I am.
unidentified		On this dark and stormy night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the bad weather, the eerie weather is sweeping up through your state toward us very quickly indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Steve, you are a member of San Diego PD?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
unidentified		12 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		12 years?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long ago did this occur?
unidentified		This actually happened about 12 years ago.
		I was just out of the academy, and I was assigned to a field training officer, and we go through a couple phases of that.
		And I was working in the southeast area of San Diego, which at that time was a pretty high activity area, a lot of crime.
		And the guy I got assigned with had been on almost 30 years and was pretty much the classic grizzled and beaten veteran.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's kind of like the rookie in the old warrior.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Basically the new blood and the crusty old guy.
		And we were driving down one of the boulevards down there about 3 in the morning.
		And as we approached the intersection in a residential area, we saw a male standing on the corner.
		And as we passed him, he appeared to be bleeding profusely from the head and from the face.
		And just looked like he'd just been stabbed several times.
		And as we passed by, we both looked at each other and said, hey, did you see that?
		And I said, yeah.
		And I was driving at the time.
		I flipped the car around real quick and drove back.
		And we both got out of the car and we couldn't find him.
		He was gone.
		And this happened over a period of probably maybe three to five seconds in the time it took me to put on the brakes and spin the car around and drive back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he was gone that fast.
unidentified		He was gone that fast.
		And we got out of the car and we checked up and down the street and there was no blood trails.
		There was absolutely nothing that ever indicated he was there.
		And we got back in the car and we sat there quietly for a moment and we looked at each other and we asked each other again.
		We said, hey, you know, did you see this guy?
		I mean, he had to have been there, right?
		And we both confirmed that we both saw him and we pretty much decided not to tell anybody after that.
		But yeah, I was pretty convinced that that's what we saw.
		We were thinking maybe it was a recent murder victim or something that may have again been restless or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you write a report up?
unidentified		Oh, no, no.
		No.
		No, we just talked about it with each other.
		And yeah, I don't think we let it go out of the car at that time.
		It was just from that point on, it really was something that I thought about occasionally and convinced me that certainly there's something out there that we're just not aware of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, do I appreciate the story, Steve?
unidentified		You betcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, my friend.
unidentified		Thank you, sir.
unidentified		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		San Diego, police officer.
		Convince me there's something out there.
		That's right.
		There is something out there.
		Something we don't understand.
		We may never understand.
		But you can be sure it's out there.
		As I keep saying, there are probably as many stories out there as there are all of you.
		And you don't really get them until you invite them, and you've got to invite them in a certain way.
		You can't invite them and ridicule them.
		You can only invite people to share once they become aware that others have seen some of the same things that they have seen.
		And then the outpouring is hard to stop.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Mike from Sacramento.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Mike.
unidentified		How are you?
		My story starts.
		I'm a stuff man, and I do a lot of traveling around the country.
		And I was in Coral Gable, Florida.
		And there's a big hotel there called the Coral Gable that used to be Al Capone's hangout.
		And so I went down there to do a film with a couple of buddies of mine.
		And as I walked into the hotel, it's this huge palatial hotel that, you know, like a huge mansion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it a movie I would remember?
unidentified		Bad Boys?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bad Boys?
unidentified		With Will Smith?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I do recall that, yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I've been a lot of films.
		And I came across a lot of ghosts, too, but this one was the scariest one that's ever happened to me.
		And so I walked through the door and I was with my friend Richard and I turned him and I said, this place is haunted, man.
		This place is haunted.
		I said, did you feel that?
		When he walked through the door, it was like a cold wind.
		Now, this place is huge.
		It's not little.
		It's massive.
		And so we got assigned to our room, and I was the only stuntman that was on the fifth floor.
		And so I went to bed early because I had an early call that morning.
		And so around 11.30, I hear a knock at my door.
		I get up, look out, and there's nobody there.
		And one of the guys is playing a joke on me, right?
		So I lay back down.
		Start to go to sleep, and I start feeling like covers being pulled off me.
		And I sit up around, and I look down, and I thought someone snuck in, right?
		So, okay, whatever.
		Knock at the door again.
		Go to the door, nobody's there.
		Now I'm getting kind of irritated, and I'm hearing like a party going on down the hallway, and it's like nobody's.
		I'm trying to get to sleep.
		I got a 4.30 call.
		I'm getting really agitated.
		So I lay back down again, cover myself off.
		The covers start pulling off me again.
		And I'm saying, someone's short sheet me or something here, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		I get up, door knocks again, open up, and there's a guy at the end of the hallway wearing a tuxedo and a red carnation with his hair slicked back.
unidentified		And he looks kind of odd because it looks like a period suit, like in the 1920 period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I looked at the guy and I said, hey, bud, you know, I'm trying to get some sleep.
		I've got to go to work tomorrow.
		And You just knock it off.
		It's not funny.
		And he kind of laughed and turned and walked down the hallway.
		So I shut my door and all night long, party by party.
		I called downstairs and I said, look, you know what?
		I'm going to have to change rooms.
		This floor is way too noisy.
		And she says, oh, you're on the fifth floor.
		I went, yeah.
		And she says, okay.
		So I hang up, go to sleep, and I didn't sleep much that night.
		And I get the next morning and I go down to the lobby, and there's a historical society booth right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I said, excuse me, I said, is this place haunted?
		And she started laughing.
		She says, oh, this is one of the most haunted places in North America.
		And I'm going, oh, thanks.
		She says, you weren't staying on the fifth floor, were you?
		I said, yes.
		She said, well, that was where the morgue used to be during World War II.
		It was converted into a hospital, and that was the morgue.
		Oh, my.
		And I went, well, great.
		So immediately I went to the front desk and I said, I'd like to be moved off the fifth floor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I would have done.
unidentified		And even talking about it gives me the heebie-jeebies.
unidentified		Can I tell you one more quick, quick story?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very quickly, yes.
unidentified		Okay, I was at Rosemary Clooney's house, and the house used to belong to Russ Colombo.
		And Russ Columbo was a crooner during the 20s.
		He's like kind of a predecessor to Dean Crosby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And so I went into their bathroom.
		I didn't know their house was haunted at the time.
		I went into their bathroom and I started going to the bathroom.
		And some guy behind me goes, hey, buddy, what do you think you're doing?
		And I jumped, literally, out of the bathroom, zipping myself up and running into the front room going, oh, my God, there's a guy in your bathroom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're probably not needing the bathroom.
unidentified		No, no, no.
		And after that, I was like, I was going to say, my friend, Miguel, who's Rosemary's son, started laughing.
		He goes, oh, that was Russ Colombo.
		He goes, he's always playing tricks in the house.
		He's been dead.
		got shot in the head here.
		Oof.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, you...
		Oh, my.
		Shot in the head.
unidentified		Yeah, by accident, it was one of those fake cannons that, you know, you buy through mail order or whatever, and someone had put up BB and our marble inside it.
unidentified		And when it was set off, it ricocheted around the room and hit him in the head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I appreciate the call, sir.
		Thank you.
		Take care.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Arn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Houston, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Houston.
		All right.
		You're going to have to yell at us a little.
		You're not too loud.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		Well, my name is Mary.
		I'm originally from Houston, but I lived in Georgia, a small town in Georgia, just outside of Atlanta called Covington, Georgia.
		Very historical little town.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Beautiful area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Old southern mansion-type homes.
unidentified		Oh, beautiful.
		Yeah.
		Well, I lived behind the mansion in a garage apartment overlooking the cemetery on Elm Street.
		And when we moved into the apartment, my brother-in-law was kidding me about it, saying I would never be alone.
		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, I figured, you know, it's because of the cemetery.
		Well, one night, my husband, he worked out of town, and he would only come in on the weekends.
		So I was there by myself all the time, which is kind of spooky anyway.
		But I'm not, you know, prone to letting my imagination run wild with me.
		Well, early in 1975, I was at the house, the apartment, all by myself.
		I'm shaking just thinking about it.
		And I had the TV on, and it started acting funny and was picking up Houston, Texas, you know, ads.
		Really?
		Right.
		Okay, the apartment, I could not get it to stay warm.
		And I was just restless that night and just wandering back and forth between the bedroom and the living room.
		And at the top of the landing, it was 13 steps down to the front door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And it had a little window.
		Okay, in this little window, I saw like a face.
		Okay?
		And I kept hearing this humming.
		I kept turning off the TV and everything and listening and I heard this humming.
		Now it wasn't like a heater humming, you know, the air or anything like that.
		It was actually very cold.
		So I was nervous.
		I stayed up all night.
		I could not sleep.
		I kept hearing this humming, but it wasn't like a mechanical humming or anything like that or electronic.
		It was like a voice humming.
		Okay, so being I was up all night and everything, I decided the next morning I would take a walk.
		So I walked out there and I was looking at all the old Confederate tombstones, everything, all the unbarched graves, you know, with the cross on it and everything.
		And when I came back over to the apartment, there's one little sectioned area there with wrought iron and everything.
		And it had about six tombstones in it.
		So I walked around it and I'm looking.
		This was so freaky.
		There was a young lady whose tombstone was there.
		She died back in, I believe it was 1873.
		Her name was Mary Robbins.
		She died when she was 16 years old.
		My maiden name was Robbins.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		Needless to say, removed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got out of there.
unidentified		Yeah, it was just too strange.
unidentified		Too frightening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I must say, graveyards are very strange places.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they really are very strange places.
unidentified		Well, they are quiet neighbors, but that night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quiet neighbors?
		No, you can feel them.
		Thank you very much.
		I've got a little story for you.
		My wife and I love Paris, France.
		City of lights.
		We go back there and we'll go back again.
		Paris is a magical town.
		Whatever you may say about the French, and there's not a lot you can say about the French, Paris itself is just there is no city like Paris.
		Very romantic town.
		In our last visits to Paris, we decided to travel about, oh, I don't know, 20 miles outside the center of the city and visit the burial place of Jim Morrison.
		It was a very, very, very large cemetery.
		And we had a very difficult time finding the burial place of Jim Morrison.
		And I finally got sick of looking, and there were tombs everywhere, and they were truly ancient back in 1800s, late 1700s.
		It was creepy.
		I mean, they were all around you.
		You were literally in a field of graves, many of them decrepit, many of them the inscriptions very difficult to read.
		And I felt like I got sick of looking, and so I said, I'm just going to sit here and wait.
		And Ramona would hike up the hill and look for Jim Morrison's resting place.
		But just sitting there by myself in the middle of all these very old stone graves, I don't want to tell you, because I would be lying, that I could feel a presence because I didn't.
		I felt a kind of universal presence, a kind of reverence that I can't quite explain for a place where many lives came to rest.
		So no ghost story there, just a very eerie feeling.
		We did incidentally find the resting place of Jim Morrison, ultimately.
		But sitting there by myself with all of these crypts, many of them crypts around me, very odd feeling.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to kind of yell at us a little.
unidentified		This is Dave from northern New Jersey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		About 40 miles west of New York City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		A lot of people out here love you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And we're tired of the art bell dashing from the local affiliate?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you refer not to the local affiliate, but to Curtis Sliba.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And his little angels, his band of angels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're supposedly coming out here to talk to me?
unidentified		They've talked about it for the whole past week and a half.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what I've heard.
unidentified		In any event.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He ruins my NFL Sunday, and there'll be hell to pay.
		I'll tell you that right now.
		Anyway, do you have a story?
unidentified		I've got a wonderful one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		It's a little bit long.
		I'll try to condense it for you.
		I gotten my parents a puppy back in 1980 because my dad had recently lost his hearing.
		And I had read that it was very cathartic to healing to get an animal for a person that went through a traumatic loss of the sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It absolutely is.
		It lowers blood pressure.
		Right.
		Scientifically proven again and again.
		Listen, it's going to take obviously a moment for this story to unwind.
		So let me go ahead and do the break and come back and we'll get it full on, all right?
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Okay, stay right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes, if Curtis and his little band of so-called angels come out and screw with my NFL Sunday, they're going to be haunting the halls of WABC.
		You hear me, Curtis?
		From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		This is Ghost to Ghost AM.
		Ghost to Ghost AM.
		I've come to talk with you again because a vision softly creeping left its seat while I was sleeping.
		And the vision that was planted in my brain still remains within the sound of silence.
		From the Kingdom of Nigh, this is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell.
		From east of the Rockies, call Art at 1-800-825-5033.
		West of the Rockies, including Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico at 1-800-618-8255.
		First-time callers may reach Art at Area Code 702-727-1222.
		And you may fax art at Area Code 702-727-8499.
		Please limit your faxes to one or two pages.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell.
		Now again, here's Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		We're only doing one thing tonight.
		That's ghost stories.
		And they've been good ones, too.
		So in a moment, we'll continue.
		Go right ahead.
unidentified		Okay, I got the puppy from my dad back in 1980.
unidentified		It was a highly evolved little animal, a Karen Terrier, kind of like Toto.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are some dogs and cats that are more evolved than others.
unidentified		Yeah, she was definitely a unique animal.
unidentified		And even though I didn't live with my mom and dad, she was my dog, which is kind of weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not really.
unidentified		It happens.
		In October of 1991, she developed a lump on her back that got bigger and bigger and bigger.
		We took her to the vet.
		Turned out she had an inoperable type of cancer called fibrosis sarcoma with a 1-3% cure rate, which is like a death sentence.
		So I didn't want to accept that.
		And I must have taken her to eight or nine vets throughout the state of New Jersey.
		And my friends thought I was crazy, you know, getting obsessed, being obsessed, whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand.
unidentified		Anyway, to make a long story short, I finally got networked in with a veterinary oncologist down in Redbank, Central Jersey.
		And he was affiliated with the University of Pennsylvania Veterinary College, a teaching college.
		And he had just heard of a new anti-furon-based Drug that had been approved by the Department of Agriculture, which is the government arm for drugs for animals, as the FDA is for people.
		Sure.
		And he gave her the treatments, and she was cancer-free within three months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The tumor receded.
unidentified		It receded, and it just kind of popped off, and it was like a kind of bowl of jelly on her back, and they operated, and it was gone, and there was no trace.
		Wow.
		And she made the front page of the Espray Park Press, which is the main paper for Central New Jersey, with a readership of about a million too.
		Anyway, she finally got cancer back again in August of 1993.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		So it extended her life about two and a half years, approximately.
		And we had to make the decision to get her euthanized, even though we didn't want to.
		It was for her best interest.
		And it's tough when you lose something you love.
		And I felt very, very close to her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's very hard.
unidentified		And I prayed, and I prayed.
		This is down at my mom and dad's bed, 80 miles south of where I live.
		And I asked God if God would please give me a sign to let me know that she was okay.
		Now, I just have to interject one thing in here.
		When she was a younger dog and healthy, because she was a little dog, I used to have this little game with her where I'd pick her up, kind of rock her back and forth and gently like throw her on the bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And she would land with like a boom, you know, passing on the bed, wagging her tail and waiting for me to pick her up to do it again.
		So I got back home the following morning, you know, after we had her euthanized, got back to my apartment, middle of a beautiful August day, and I'm sitting on my bed.
		And I think this happened during the day purposely so it wouldn't frighten me.
		And if somebody had told me this art, I would have a very tough time believing it if it didn't happen to me.
		Sitting on my bed, all of a sudden, I hear a thump to my left, and I instantly turn.
		And as God is my witness, there are four indentations of like paw prints on my bed, right into the mattress.
		It was not of this earth.
		And at that point, I got a chill, and I'm getting a chill right now.
		But it made me believe that there really is something after in respect to the fact that this happened because I prayed for it, and I felt incredibly lucky that God heard me and God answered me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe every word of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every single word of it.
unidentified		And it was the most incredible thing that ever happened to me in my life, you know, to this date.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really appreciate your telling the story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I thank you, sir.
unidentified		Thank you, Ork.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had a cat.
		You know, I'm a big cat person.
		And I had a cat named Yesu.
		I named him Yesu after the Yesu Radio Company.
		They make ham gear, you know, so I thought it was cute to name a cat Yesu.
		And Yesu was 20 pounds plus.
		Yesu was a big black cat.
		And Yesu was an outside cat.
		I now don't let cats outside, but Yesu was an outside cat.
		He was a macho SOB, I'll tell you.
		There were a couple times I actually got into fights with Yesu, but most times we loved each other.
		And somebody shot Yesu.
		and I didn't realize it But I did realize that my cat was extremely ill, possibly dying.
		And unfortunately, the bullet hole was not visible.
		Somehow the bullet had gone in and exited and gone right through Yesu's body and wasn't visible.
		You know, the fur, I guess the blood clotted.
		I don't know.
		The fur covered it.
		I had no idea this cat had been shot.
		Yesu, to make a long story short, died in my arms.
		Something I will never forget, just died in my arms.
		And ever since then, I have felt at various times, many times, the presence of Yesu.
		That cat and I were very close.
		I felt the presence of that cat many times.
		So do I believe that story?
unidentified		Oh, you bet I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		You're on the air.
		I understand you have a rather interesting story for us.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		I am in beautiful downtown Monticello, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir?
unidentified		Just north of the Twin Cities.
unidentified		I'm listening to you on KSTP-AM 1500.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suspect KSTP goes all the way to the North Pole.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm pretty sure it does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I, with a partner, do a lot of work with ghosts in the Twin City area.
		I would say semi-professionally because it's not constant enough to be professional by any means.
		You know, it's an occasional once every month or two you get somebody who says, help me.
		But we did have a very interesting encounter about a year and a half ago.
		It was my brush with fame.
		And the most famous person I can say that I've had a long conversation with would, in fact, be the late, great John Dillinger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon.
unidentified		That, in fact, would be this.
unidentified		John Dillinger, public enemy, number one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You spoke with John Dillinger.
unidentified		Or an entity claiming to be such.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please explain the circumstances.
unidentified		Okay.
		Let me go back a little bit.
		And with the work I do, I don't like to use the term seance.
		It's a very superstitious term, has a lot of negative connotations.
		I prefer the more enlightened term of circular gathering For communication with the mortality impaired.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, let me get that straight.
		Circular gathering for communication with the mortality impaired.
unidentified		That is it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got to remember that one, all right.
unidentified		But we decided about a year and a half ago to a group of us have a strong interest in 1930s gangsters.
		And so we decided to have one of these circular gatherings to talk to Mr. Dillinger on the anniversary of his death, which was July 22nd.
		And so the first half of the evening, we invite whatever entities want to come to us.
		It's kind of a warm-up.
		And we spoke to several different entities during that time period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aren't you afraid to do that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aren't you afraid to open a door, a door which you have no idea?
unidentified		We take precautions.
		We do a lot of work to protect ourselves.
		We call on higher powers.
		And whatever your faith system, be that God, angels, we do call on their assistance.
		We're not going to be foolish about this.
		I have a healthy respect for these things.
		And being interested in documenting this occurrence, we did have tape recorders on hand.
		And sometimes you can get something known as electronic voice phenomena, which is basically recordings of ghost voices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
unidentified		And, you know, that was the ultimate hope, but at least just to kind of document what happened that night, the first half of the evening, we spoke to several different entities.
		And we did have the recorder in operation.
		And we played back that first half of the tape.
		And we don't get any EVP, but we do get at least the room noise and the human side of the conversation.
		Take a short break.
		And after that short break, we call on Mr. Dillinger.
		And about 5-10 seconds after we begin our work, something enters the room claiming to be John Dillinger.
		We speak to him for about a half hour, 45 minutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, when you say you speak to him, via Ouija board?
unidentified		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean allowed?
unidentified		Allowed, and we get basically psychic impressions back.
		Ouija boards, I kind of have a very strong feeling about Ouija boards.
		So do I. They can be a useful tool, but it's a little bit spiritually like opening your door and inviting the first person that passes by on the street to come in.
		You just don't know what you're going to get.
		So we were speaking to this entity, and it answered a lot of questions.
		We know a little bit about Dillinger and had some specific questions like the fate of some of his gang members.
		And at the end of the evening, we played that tape back, and about five to ten seconds after we begin the work, the tape goes completely blank.
		Not even the human side of the conversation.
		Yet most of the people at the table could see that the tape recorder was in operation.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm curious, with all the work you did, you must have some recordings, some interesting recordings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you kept them?
unidentified		You know, I've kept them.
		I have yet to come up for any of our works where we contact anything or cleanse a house.
		We have yet to come up with any decent EVPs, although I have not had really good recording equipment there.
		It's usually pocket recorders.
		What was it that Dillingers said to you?
		Well, we had quite a few questions for him.
		One of the more interesting things was one of his gang members, Red Hamilton, was supposedly shot in the back in a chase from Hastings, Minnesota to St. Paul, Minnesota, and died several days thereafter.
		There had been rumors that Red Hamilton indeed did not get killed and made it out alive and hid undercover, much like the rumors about Butch Cassidy.
		But we asked John Dillinger about that, and he said, well, yeah, of course Red got it out.
		He was fine.
		He lived to a ripe old age.
		What was interesting about that is three or four people at the table did get the distinct impression that at that point we were definitely being lied to.
		And some of them even went so far as to suspect that maybe John Dillinger killed the guys to speed the death along so he could run further faster.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what would you expect from John Dillinger?
unidentified		Yeah, well, I mean, he got a reputation as a cold-blooded guy, and then there were some apologists recently saying, well, no, he wasn't so bad, but maybe he was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe he was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure appreciate the story, sir.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and take care.
		Hello, Art.
		Having just heard the story from your fellow townsperson, or Purumbian, if you will, I thought I would multiply the impact of that story.
		About 15 years ago, while sleeping in my upstate New York, very old residence, I was aroused by the growling of my husky shepherd, but I could not awaken.
		I was paralyzed, unable to move or speak.
		The absolute sensation of a person kneeling on my chest and restraining me delivered one of the most solid moments of panic I've ever known.
		I was, I assure you, totally conscious, but powerless to move my limbs or cry out as the weight of this apparition, apparition rather, seemed to increase.
		The entire time, my dog kept barking and growling.
		I concentrated on the sound of his voice until I was suddenly able to sit up and force the intruder off my chest.
		Within a heartbeat, to my utter amazement, The curtains of my room were shoved aside.
		Even though the window was closed, my dog confirmed what I had seen by leaping to the window and continuing the barking and growling.
		It took a full 30 minutes before my dog would come and sit with me on the bed.
		And there was no more sleep to be had that night, and I stayed with friends for a few nights following that incident.
		Yeah, I really love hearing stories about Perump.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Some Friday stories tonight.
		And by the way, my name is Dana.
		I'm calling from Woodland Hills, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I got another terrifying story to share with you.
		Yeah, it actually happened to my father back in 1961 down in Dana Point, California.
		And like I said, it is rather terrifying.
		He was coming home late one night from work, and the house he was living in had partially burned down, so he was back in an add-on home in the back.
		He was getting ready for bed, and like I said, this is 61, and there were some of those rather kind of deco lamps hanging up in there that had the strings that you pull to turn them on.
		Oh, yes.
		You might remember.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, I do.
unidentified		But anyway, he had just gotten ready for bed and turned the lights off.
		And the lights were controlled from a switch on the wall.
		And so he didn't turn them off from the pole.
		He just didn't from the switch.
		Well, he laid down to go to bed, and the room was completely sealed, and the mattress he was laying on was rather low to the floor.
		It didn't have one of those box springs.
		Well, he laid there just for about a minute or two trying to get to sleep.
		And as I said, the whole room was sealed shut.
		He started to notice and actually hear these strings for the lights jingling, just jing, jing, jing, jing.
		And he started getting, you know, wondering what that was.
		And he was just looking straight up at the raptors on the ceiling.
		And at that moment, he, it still frightens me today to talk about this.
		He heard a, actually just didn't hear, but he felt a moan and a breath blow into his ear like a, oh, like this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
unidentified		And it's the kind of stuff that you hear about, but my father's a very serious man, and he's never had experiences like this before.
		And it really affected me.
		So he was laying there, and of course, as I've been hearing this evening, he was just completely petrified.
		But he heard the thing still rattling as if there was some kind of motion in the room.
		And this thing did it again, moaned into his ear louder and longer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You go into a kind of a state of shock is what happens.
unidentified		I guess it is.
		I guess the system goes into complete shock.
		But he definitely had a sense.
		This happened a third time.
		And this happened over probably a turning for him, but he said it was just a couple of minutes.
		He definitely had a sense beyond the shock that he had to move.
		He was in utter danger for whatever reason.
		I don't know if it was possession or what.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fight or flight.
unidentified		Yeah, I guess so.
		Anyway, so he was there, but like I said, he was overcome even over that with a sense to get out of there.
		So he summoned every ounce of courage he had, and he jumped out of bed, ran across the room, flipped the light switch on, and looked back, and of course, there was nothing there.
		But the things were still moving up there.
		Well, needless to say, he got out of there and never slept in that room again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't.
unidentified		But it's affected me so much that I actually cover my ears when I sleep at night because of that story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For me, it's closets.
		I never go to sleep with an open closet.
		There are things in closets.
		You always close closets before you go to sleep if you're smart.
		If you don't want things coming out of them, you close them.
unidentified		Amen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the call, sir.
		All right, we're going to break here at the top of the hour.
		There is more.
		If you can handle it.
		If your heart can handle it.
		There is more.
		This is what we call Ghost to Ghost AM, and I do it when I get in the mood.
		And this is one of those nights.
		It's dark, it's kind of windy, and a little bit of rain in the air in the desert.
		Kind of eerie.
		It's a good night for this.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Ghost to Ghost AM.
unidentified		Ghost to Ghost AM.
		Thank you.
		And now back to the best of Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here we go again.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you and where are you?
unidentified		I'm fine.
		I'm Derek.
		I'm calling from Metae, Louisiana, which is right next door to New Orleans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which is also the home of Anne Royce.
unidentified		Yeah, that's right.
		And she gets lots of attention around here.
		We've got a nice, spooky night down here, too.
		It's extremely foggy right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, you live in an area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fog or not.
unidentified		That's right.
		That's right.
		It feels like you're swimming no matter what time it is.
		But anyway, about 10 years ago, around 1988, me and my girlfriend and my girlfriend's friend, ex-girlfriend, these are all ex, but me and my ex-girlfriend, my ex-girlfriend's friend, my ex-girlfriend's younger sister, and my ex-girlfriend's younger sister's friend were all together one night.
		It was a Friday night, and we were looking for something to do.
		So we said, hey, let's try a Ouija board.
		What's that?
		And I really wish that I would have known what your earlier caller said about you never know what you're going to get into, because we really didn't.
		And I, being the, you know, scientifically minded, decided to do it in a way that it couldn't be faked.
		You know, I just wanted to make sure that all the bases were covered and that whatever happened would really happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have a lot of respect for Ouija boards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Okay, good.
		We turned off all the lights.
		We lit a few candles.
		And I had my girlfriend and her friend sit across from each other with a Ouija board on their lap.
		And the other two youngsters were just on the side watching.
		This was great Friday night entertainment.
		So I just started asking questions.
		And I said, you know, the two girls, my girlfriend and her friend, had their hands on a little pointer thing.
		And I said, I want you to look eye to eye the whole time.
		Because I wanted to make sure that they wouldn't be able to see what was going on on the board.
		So I was asking questions, very general questions, like, you know, is there anybody out there?
		You know, stuff like that.
		And, you know, they'd move the thing around and it go close to yes, stuff like that.
		And I was like, okay, well, let's narrow it down a little bit more.
		Are you a boy or a girl?
		And it fooled around the board.
		And eventually, we ended up getting some sort of man.
		I couldn't tell you the history of this man, but it started to feel a little bit eerie.
		It started to feel like the board was not joking around.
		It was starting to talk to us.
		So needless to say, we were all feeling a little tense to begin with.
		And I started asking questions like, are you a good man?
		And I go to no, of course.
		I say, you're a bad man.
		And then I go to yes.
		And this whole time, the people who are moving the board are not looking at the board.
		And I was asking the questions, and I was reading the answers.
		So the younger girls are starting to freak.
		I'm starting to freak.
		So I say, well, it's about time that I ask a question that's going to call his bluff.
		It's going to prove that this really isn't happening.
		So I said, well, how many people are in this room right now?
		And it went to six.
		And at first I was like, oh, you see, I told you.
		But then it hit me that there were five of us in the room, and he was the extra one.
		And it was six, and we, I mean, we just freaked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course.
unidentified		The young girls bust out into tears.
		We felt a presence in the room, but scared, but living lives on us.
		It was unbelievable.
		So I just.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All I can tell you is my experience with a Ouija board was similar, and I won't get within a thousand miles of one.
unidentified		I'll never touch one again.
		And the weekend after that, we were like, you know, y'all want to do it, y'all want to do it.
		But no thanks.
		Really, to this day, 10 years later, I still remember it, and I still tell this story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I believe every word of it.
		Thank you very much for it.
		Look, I won't even talk about it, but I'll tell you that you be wary.
		don't think it's fun we do boards are invitations to I guess it's like getting on the radio and inviting everybody in the audience over to your house.
		You know, you have no idea who's going to come through the door.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		How are you doing this morning, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm okay, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm getting a little freaked out at my own program, like usual, but I'm all right.
unidentified		You know, it just goes with the territory.
		Yeah.
		Now, this is from an earlier caller.
		He was on the Enterprise back in 1982.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		I was on the Enterprise in 1984.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		I can verify what he was saying.
unidentified		I was in a different department, but I can definitely verify what he was saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Mine is from the same timeframe, 84 to 88.
		I was in a squadron, one of the fixed wing squadrons that was on board.
		We were to do some temporary duty on the USS Independence.
		And so a few of us went over there with it.
		I'm one of the cooks out of that squadron.
		So I was like, yeah, I'll go with the guys, no problem.
		And we were told that, you know, some strange things happened on board that ship.
		And I'm going, okay, yeah, whatever.
		Well, I'm in one of the voids.
		It's a room that's just used for whatever.
		And this one just so happened to be for a lot of our dry storage for the galleys.
		And me and this one guy from that normal ship's company, we're sitting there, we're talking, we're going over inventory.
		And he goes, hey, you want to hear something really freaky?
		I said, okay.
		I said, first of all, you've got to turn down the radio.
		Well, there was no stereo in the room.
		Okay, there's a bunch of music.
		He goes, well, that's part of it.
		I said, okay.
		And he goes, you just stick around here for a little while.
		You're going to see something really strange.
		Now, you know, there's boxes all over the place with cans of dried goods or fruits and stuff like that.
		You're talking around 25 to 30 pounds each box.
		And all of a sudden, at the complete other end, the boxes are just starting to fly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		Like something is just going right through them.
		And I'm the one that's facing it, and the guy's looking the other way.
		We're standing right there by the hatch.
		And he just sees this look on my face, and he grabs me, and he pulls me right through the hatch, and he slams it shut, and it sounds like something just ran right into the hatch.
		And I'm going, what in the hell was that?
		He goes, oh, that's just the beginning.
		You don't know about this ship.
		And there was nobody else in there but us two.
		And we had already looked everywhere.
		We were going through making our inventory.
		He goes, come on, I'm going to show you something else.
		So we go into this other void that's completely empty.
		Except over on one of the bulkheads, one of the walls, there was a former hatch there, but it was all bolted down.
		I'm going, okay, so this is nothing new.
		I used to play poker in some of these rooms and stuff like that on the Enterprise.
		And he goes, oh, no, just sit here and listen.
		So we're sitting there just shooting the breeze for a little bit, and all of a sudden I hear a whole bunch of banging and a whole bunch of yelling.
		And it was kind of muffled.
		It sounded like it was coming from the other side of the wall.
		And I'm going, okay, so what's going on?
		And it was getting louder and louder and louder.
		And the more that you listen to it, the more you can hear, help us, help us, don't let us drown.
		Just, you know, help us, all this.
		I'm going, what is going on here?
		And he goes, come on, we're going to go explain it to you.
		So I'm sitting there with a whole bunch of these other guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're telling me this is a bolted hatch?
unidentified		Bolted hatch.
		What had happened was a torpedo hit, perfect, right into one of the old tanks where they used to hold the jet fuel.
		And there were a whole bunch of guys down there at that time scrubbing it out because it had been contaminated with something.
		They had to completely empty it, scrub it down, dry it, and then refill it with jet fuel.
		No problem.
		Well, these guys were down in it.
		I believe it was during World War II.
		A direct torpedo hit right into that tank.
		It was already empty, so it didn't completely blow up.
		But all these guys drowned in there.
		They had to close all the hatches that led to it, so it was called watertight integrity.
		This way, the water wouldn't spread out throughout the ship.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		But all these men drowned in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's what you were hearing?
unidentified		Oh, yeah, that's what we were hearing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I could stay on board a ship like that.
unidentified		Well, there's a lot more.
		Going up there.
		Now, this is all on the Independent.
		Go up there to the bridge to go visit a couple friends of mine that I knew from high school that I knew were there.
		And I was telling them about these two experiences, and they said, oh, that's nothing.
		Oh, yeah, there's more.
		And just as I said that, all the instruments were blinking.
		The standard compass that we have, a humongous compass, at least three feet in circumference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Was just spinning.
unidentified		It was just going like it was hooked up to a mechanism to where it was just going to start spinning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, electromagnetic disturbance around things like this is fairly common.
unidentified		Yeah, it was just, I mean, to this day I will never forget it, especially hearing the screams that were on the other side of that bulkhead where those guys were that had drowned.
unidentified		And then seeing all those foxes fly around, 25 to 30 pounds each.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would not handle that well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the call.
unidentified		Sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate the story.
		Thank you.
		I wouldn't handle that one well at all.
		Not well at all.
		You know, the implication of that is, and I'm still trying to figure this out as we handle these kinds of stories.
		What is that?
		Certainly it cannot be the lingering souls of men who died such a horrible death.
		Can it?
unidentified		Reliving that again and again?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With some kind of hellish consciousness.
		No, I wouldn't handle that well at all.
		Good morning.
		You're on the air on Ghost to Ghost AM, if you will.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Hi.
		My name's Denise.
		I'm calling from Sacramento, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Denise.
unidentified		And the story I have for you, by the way, I've really been enjoying ghost stories.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		well enjoying is a word i guess i'm not sure if it's a proper one for some of what you've heard but uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Perhaps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway.
unidentified		So anyway, my story is my mother, she drove down to Lodi, California yesterday.
unidentified		Both of my grandparents are buried there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And she went down to see her uncle, my grandmother's brother, with her brother, my uncle.
		And they usually stop by the cemetery to see my grandparents.
		And she is not a believer in ghosts.
		But I think, I don't know, she might have changed her mind after yesterday.
		She went by the grave site, and she usually goes by to do a little visiting.
		And she was knelt down, had been, she was saying some prayers, she says to herself.
		She says, all of a sudden, there was this film in front of her.
		It was just like a film.
		And she said, it wasn't there that long.
		And she said, then precinct was just gone.
		And she said, it was strange.
		And I said, you don't believe in ghosts, huh?
		She's not a believer, but I am.
		And there are a couple other odd things that have happened with that particular war.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know exactly what ghosts are.
unidentified		Oh, I don't either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But they are something.
		And I'll tell you what I want to believe.
		Thank you.
		I want to believe that they are the echo, the remnant of what once was, not the remaining consciousness of what is.
		Because to believe that, as that man said in that terrifying story, that those men eternally remain reliving that horrible death again and again, that drowning, that's too much.
		I don't want to believe that.
		I would rather, I'd much rather believe that like an endless tape loop, it's some sort of a weak echo of what was.
		But I can't be sure of that.
		Can you?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning to you.
unidentified		And how are you doing this eerie evening?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was better earlier.
unidentified		I understand that.
unidentified		Well, like one of the previous callers, I am calling from New Orleans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New Orleans again?
unidentified		Like Metairie.
		Yes.
		Now, for most listeners, if you've never been to New Orleans, it is a very eerie place to come to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really is.
unidentified		Yeah, especially at night.
unidentified		They have vampire tours now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Vampire tours?
unidentified		In the French Quarter, you can take a vampire tour.
unidentified		You can take haunted mansion tours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I absolutely am coming to New Orleans.
unidentified		You know what?
		it's amazing the things that you'll find out here.
		Especially one of the most amazing things to visit, if you are not a native of New Orleans, one of the things that you'd want to come to if you were a tourist is the cemeteries.
		The cemeteries are unlike any other cemetery in the world.
		Because all the cemeteries are above ground.
		Okay, so they're, I mean, they're just, they're tremendous.
		And just some of the sculptures and statues in these cemeteries are just.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It kind of sounds like the one I was in in Paris.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Oh, yeah.
		But what I'm calling to tell you tonight is there's suburbs of New Orleans called New Orleans East.
		And I do live in these suburbs.
		There's one particular suburb called Village de Les.
		Now, as story goes from way back when, Village de Les used to be kind of like an Indian, you can't really call it reservation, but the Natchez Indians used to settle on this land.
		It was a lot of swamp land.
		Right.
		Now, how the story went was when an Indian died, or when a Native American died, one of the Natchez tribe, they would take the Native American and put him in an old oak tree.
		When that oak tree fell, whether naturally, you know, or if lightning struck it or something, the soul of that Indian would go up, you know, to wherever.
		Now, here's how the story goes.
		There are a lot of haunted houses or houses that are haunted or people hear things or whatever in this subdivision, especially on one particular block where I have a good friend of mine who lives there, Teddy.
		Now, we've heard things go on in that house, you know, like sometimes real late at night you'd hear like a faint jingle of bells, you know, something like that.
		Or you'd hear beating on walls, you know, or you just feel gusts, you know, small gusts of wind from nowhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You know, eerie things.
		So we had a friend of ours who wasn't, who, you know, she was a Native American also.
		And she had an uncle who practiced it, you know, who practiced and always went to the tribe things.
		I can't remember what you call them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Travel gatherings.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
unidentified		In Mississippi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, we're at the bottom of the hour.
		I've got a break here, so stay right where you are, will you?
		Now, I've never heard that before.
unidentified		It reminds me of a book I read.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They would actually bury their dead in a tree and wait for the tree to fall, for the soul to ascend.
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Ghost AM.
unidentified		This is Coast to Ghost AM.
		I see trees of green.
		Red roses, too.
		I see them blue for me.
		And I think to myself, what a wonderful talk with Arkbell in the Kingdom of Nigh from outside the U.S., first dial your access number to the USA.
		Then, 800-893-0903.
		If you're a first-time caller, call her at 702-727-1222.
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		Call her at 1-800-618-8255.
		Or call her from the Wildcard line at Area Code 702-727-1295.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		there is more in this world that we know is there the I watch more.
		I have such reverence for that line.
		Good morning, everybody.
		We'll get back to it in a moment.
unidentified		We'll get back to it in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back to New Orleans, Louisiana, a very haunted city at the best of times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're back on the air, sir.
unidentified		Yes, hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Okay, now, like I was saying, we had a girlfriend of ours.
		But anyway, her uncle was a person who was Native American, and he, you know, practiced in it.
		I'm sorry.
		Anyway, but I'm going to get to that in a second.
		What happened was basically my friend Teddy, he did experience, you know, this beating on the wall, you know, and just weird things happening in his house.
		Now, his parents are divorced, and he has a sister.
		Now, whenever his sister was in that house, they never had any problems.
		That was something that we always found weird.
		But whenever she was out of that house, when she was at her mom's, there was always problems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's very interesting because that's almost opposite of a lot of other ghost stories.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Typically, teenage girls carry these incidents with them, and this seems the opposite.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		But one night, we were all stupid teenagers, we decided that we wanted to put on a little seance, you know, and bring up Jim Morrison.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jim Morrison?
unidentified		Yeah.
		You know, because we were avid Doors followers, you know, so we lighted our candles and we had a book on, you know, seances, you know, and we tried to do it, you know, nothing happened.
		Now, the following weeks to come wreaked a lot of havoc in that house.
		The first incident to occur was the microwave going off on his dad's hand while his dad's hand was in the microwave.
		That was one of the first occurrences.
		The second, the biggest occurrence was when the garage windows blew to the outside.
		In other words, the glass didn't blow inside like somebody threw a rock in the garage.
		They blew out onto the grass.
		And that kind of freaked us out.
		That with more beating on the wall, late at night, and everything like that.
		So we got Andrea's uncle to come in.
		And he said something as soon as he walked in the door.
		He walked in every room of the house, and in every corner he burned, in every corner that pointed toward the north, he burned a little bowl of sage.
		Apparently, he explained to us that sage was a peace offering.
		Now, what he explained to us that there were three souls in the house, on that land.
		Two of them were bad, and one of them, which was good.
		He said that the jingling that we'd hear at night sometimes was that of the good spirit, trying to ward off the evil from hurting him and his family, Teddy and his family.
		He said the banging on the wall and everything else that occurred that went wrong were those two evil spirits.
		Apparently, Andrea's uncle was explaining to us that they're evil and that they're upset because they're stuck in, like he said, limbo.
		They're not going anywhere.
		They're staying right there and they cannot get out.
		But the day that he burned that sage, there has never been another incident occurring in that house.
		He said that we shook something up in there when we played around with something bad.
		He said that what happened was we were getting in over our heads, in other words.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very easy to do.
unidentified		He said we were playing with fire too close to gasoline.
		And he said that that really, really upset the evil spirits that they have in that house.
		And it kind of peed off the good spirit.
		Because the good spirit was trying to keep the evil away from us.
		But Andrea's uncle came in, and he was the one that explained to us about the Natchez Indian burying their dead in the trees.
		And when that tree would fall, you know, from age or whatever, then the spirit of that dead would be released.
		And he explained to us that those were a couple bodies, and there are a couple other spirits and other houses out there in Vladimir Lest that are haunted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As I said earlier, even at the best of times, sir, in your city, it's a haunted kind of place.
		Now, I think that the book that I read that kind of parallels what he just said, actually it comes pretty close to it, is called Speaker for the Dead.
		If you ever get a chance to read Speaker for the Dead, definitely do it.
		In fact, I've been meaning to interview the author of that book for some time, and I had it lined up, and I don't know what I did.
		It must have slipped by me.
		I'll get on that again.
		Good morning.
		You're on the air in what we call Ghost to Ghost AM.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		Hi, this is Kelly in Soda Springs, Idaho.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kelly, we have a big hum on the phone here.
unidentified		Oh, okay, that's the other line.
		Can you hold on one second?
		Sure.
		Do you have to hang on, Pat Dana?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got you online here.
unidentified		That was my husband on the other line.
unidentified		We have a couple of stories for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but we still have hum.
unidentified		Still?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Still have a lot of hum, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I can hear you, but it's like something's...
unidentified		Maybe that's what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see if that's it.
		Could it be your computer?
		It is now safe to turn your computer off.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's still there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, go ahead and tell us one.
unidentified		Is that better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but go ahead and give us your best one.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Well, about three years ago, my daughter was two, and every night at 12.26, every night she'd wake up screaming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		12.
unidentified		Not screaming scared and not screaming upset, but screaming pissed.
unidentified		You know, like if you went in and you shook somebody awake and then you hid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		She was mad.
		You could tell she was just mad.
		So I'd run upstairs and calm her down, put her back to sleep, and I'd go back down to bed.
		Well, one particular night, it was hot.
		It was just dripping sweat.
		I got to bed.
		I told my husband, if that booger wakes her up tonight, I'm going to be so mad.
		He's going to get it.
		I don't know what, how do you get a ghost, right?
		So he woke her up.
		And at 12.26, I go upstairs.
		I'm trying to calm her down.
		I'm ripping this ghost a new butt.
		And I finally get her calmed down.
		I go back downstairs.
		I'm even more dripping wet because of the heat from upstairs.
		And I'm tossing and turning, trying to go back to sleep.
		And all of a sudden, I feel this, like, cool fingers go across my neck.
		And I was turning around to, you know, ask my husband what he did that for.
		And he's rolled over on his other side, sound asleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
unidentified		And I'm thinking, oh, wow, you know, that was kind of weird.
		And it never did scare me.
		Within 20 seconds, the temperature in the room dropped a good 15, 20 degrees to cool it off.
		And I got the feeling that he was apologizing to me in his own way, appeasing me.
		I don't know.
		Never woke her up again after that night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, your little tantrum.
unidentified		Yeah, I did throw a tantrum.
		Yes, I did.
		And it worked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow, what a story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What part of the country are you in?
unidentified		We live in a very small town in Idaho called Soda Springs.
		Like 1,300 people, or 1,100 people, I'm sorry.
		A lot of old, old, old buildings.
		It's an old mining community, a lot of death in the mines.
		And this so happened to be a little boy who turned out to be my daughter's best friend for a while.
		And they'd walk along holding hands and talking.
		And she'd hold his hand, and they'd walk along, and all of a sudden a chair that'd be in the middle of the room would tip over like he walked right past, you know, right over top of it.
		And she was, with her hand, was a good foot away.
		I mean, it's just weird.
		All kinds of fun stuff like that.
		But never a bad thing.
		We never felt threatened in any way.
		You know, he pulled tricks on us terrible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is a remarkable story.
		I mean, thank you very much.
		To take off at a ghost, to get angry at a spirit, and to literally read it, the Riot Act.
		First of all, I don't know how you'd have the guts to do that, but I suppose eventually waking up enough times to a screaming child, you might do it.
		And then to feel a cold hand on the back of your neck and feel a temperature drop of 20 degrees in a room.
		And then to have that entity go away.
		You've got to wonder.
		Some of it seems so conscious.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm from Reading, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Reading, California?
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've been having some earthquakes up there, haven't you?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Yes, I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's been really rocking and rolling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, it's swarming up there, so.
unidentified		Yeah, there were two yesterday and then one today.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what's up?
unidentified		I have a story from I'm 15 years old now and it was in 8th grade.
		Okay.
		Yes, and 8th grade, junior high.
		My junior high has a theater, a big, an old, old theater.
		The junior high is dated back from 1911.
		And I was doing a play there.
		It was my first play.
		I had the lead role.
		And all throughout the play, well, there has been plays before about speculation that the theater is haunted because all the time the house lights, brand new house lights, would go on and off and on and off and on and off.
		The whole audience saw it.
		And the stage hands backstage could see the light switch going up and down and up and down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your name's not Carrie, is it?
unidentified		No, it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		It's Heidi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Heidi.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Heidi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's just as good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Heidi.
unidentified		And then there'd be pounding on the top part when nobody would be up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You could actually, going back, you could actually see the switch going on and off?
unidentified		Yes, my friend was the stage manager and she was there doing the house lights and she wasn't even touching them.
unidentified		The light switch was going on and off and on and off by itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would be enough for me right there.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
		It was pretty scary.
		And the pounding on the top part, the catwalk on the top above the house lights was pounding like footsteps running across.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And then those side entrances going to backstage, the curtains were flapping back and forth like somebody was pushing them around.
unidentified		And while all this was happening, I was the lead of the play, so I was getting into costumes and stuff, and I knew something wrong was going on, but nobody was really, I really wasn't following, but I was really nervous because it was the first play that I was ever doing, and I was the lead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And I could like, I don't know if I could actually physically hear it, but I heard, I felt like a girl's whisper in my head saying, you're going to do all right.
		I'm looking over you.
		You're going to do great.
		Just go on there and you're going to do fine because I'm watching over you.
		I could hear this person whispering in my head.
		I could just feel a presence of a ghost or something around me.
		And it was actually kind of neat.
		I wasn't that scared.
		But the first step, the house lights going on and off, it was just kind of like this child having fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who do you think was talking to you, Heidi?
unidentified		Nobody was around me.
unidentified		Like, I was behind the curtain by myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I know.
		You were hearing this.
		Who do you think it was?
unidentified		Well, I have heard stories, but they have been just stories.
		You know, I thought they were just stories of a girl a long time ago, like, when the school just opened performing a play, and she, I don't know if she died in the theater or she died, but she really liked the theater itself.
		So she might have kept that as a home or something.
		And I think it might have been her, you know, telling me that I was going to do all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		You know, I don't want to believe that somebody like that would remain, even in a theater, even in a place they loved, eternally.
		I mean, Heidi, doesn't that seem to you like a hell, sort of?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		It does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One imagines something.
unidentified		It seems like, it feels like a restless kind of spirit, like she doesn't want to stay there.
unidentified		That's why she makes so much mischief and everything, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Precisely.
unidentified		Flicking on the house lights and pounding up in the stairs and messing with the curtains and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Heidi, how did the play go?
unidentified		It went fine after that, besides everybody was just We didn't want the audience to get scared, so we just let them think that it was a trick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they never really knew.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They thought that was part of the act?
unidentified		No, I think they just thought it was part of the act, yeah.
		Afterwards, like the backstage people told their families and stuff.
		But yeah, we all felt it, you know, and we were pretty serious about our craft, so we wouldn't really do anything like that because it's pretty unprofessional anyway.
		So it was something else.
		it was pretty interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really appreciate your story, Heidi.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
		Good night, and I'm glad you did well on the play.
		Wow, Carline, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		How you doing?
		Okay.
		Okay, well, I had a story that happened about 24 years ago.
		I was living in a rooming house, and the lady that owned the house was 89 years old.
		She lived in the front part of the house.
		It was separated from the other sleeping rooms.
		And I got out of the military and kind of a rogue and stuff.
		Anyway, I had stayed there for, oh, maybe six months or so.
		And she asked me if I wanted to come in and play a game.
		And I thought, well, she's going to have to play checkers or something like that or something along that line.
		I got in there and the room was dimly lit.
		And she sat down at the table and she pulled out this Ouija board.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That kind of a game, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, and she started to told me how to do it.
		We proceeded with it.
		And it started spelling out old-fashioned names, first names, like Horace and Elmer.
		She had been married four or five times before, and she told me these were the names of her husbands.
		And the more we played it, it probably went on 45 minutes to an hour, the faster that would go across the board, that little triangle-shaped thing would go across there.
		At the point it was almost flying off there.
		At one point, she had some tea there.
		She asked me to go to the kitchen and get a cup.
		And I went to the kitchen and opened the door.
		And this is no lie.
		She had hundreds of cockroaches crawling all through her cabinets.
		And she had honey in jars where she said she was catching them.
		And so I had enough of that.
		I didn't want any tea or anything else.
		I went back.
		And we continued to play that game.
		But it turned into, I just felt real eerie, like the hair was standing on the back of my neck.
		And it got so out of control that that triangle little gill that we were working would just fly off the table just about.
		So that was a pretty experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My friend, that would be it for me.
		I've got to go.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		Oh, my God.
		We'll be back.
unidentified		We'll be back.
		There are times when all the world's fear.
		The wish can come to you.
		The sun is in the mind to be held above the land.
		I know it sounds absurd.
		Please tell me who I am.
		I said, what would you say?
		I'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, a fanatical criminal.
		Oh, won't you sign up your name?
		We'd like to be unacceptable, respectable.
		Oh, won't you sign up your name?
		Oh, tick, tick, ticky, yay, yay, yay!
		From the Kingdom of Nive, this is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell.
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		Now again, here's Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am, all right.
		I'm going to plug my books.
		You notice I'm not doing very much of it because I don't want to sign that many.
		Every year, at about this time, twixt Thanksgiving and Christmas, we do a special where you can get an autographed copy of my one of my books.
		Actually, I have two books.
		The Art of Talk is redone.
		And boy do I mean redone?
		260 pages, 60 photographs, story of my life.
		From the time I was but a bulge in my mommy's belly till just about now, it'll tell you a lot about me.
		I'm a pretty weird person.
		And that's $24.95.
		It's a hardcover book.
		It's called The Art of Talk.
		Pretty cute title, huh?
		The other is The Quickening.
		The Quickening was written well over two and a half years ago, and I'm sorry to say that most of it is coming true now.
		It also is a hardback book.
		It covers what is going on environmentally, politically.
		Volcanoes, earthquakes, tornadoes, weather changes, all the things going on right now.
		By the way, if you heard about Mount Poco, it's ready to let go down in Mexico.
		They're evacuating.
		So here's the deal, and it's a short deal indeed.
		You can get both books, The Art of Talk and The Quickening, autographed.
		You can buy either one individually, or you can buy both and get a buy.
		It's $44.95 plus shipping and handling.
		There are a very limited number of copies available.
		And this offer will end without notice.
		In other words, when I get tired of signing, it's all over.
		Without notice.
		So, there you have it.
		That's my book plug.
		If you want one or both autographed books, and I don't think I'm going to do this next year, this may be it.
		The number is 1-800-864-7991, 24 hours a day, including now.
		You can't get through now, get through over the weekend or next week or whatever.
		That number again, 1-800-864-7991.
		You can call that number right now.
		Here it comes.
		Um, you're on air Coast to Ghost AM, or is it Ghost to Ghost AM?
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		This is Joe.
unidentified		I'm calling from Jamestown, New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Joe.
unidentified		Hi.
		I'm just so glad you called me.
		I can't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm selectively doing that, looking at stories, and if they seem interesting, I'm calling a few people.
unidentified		Well, this is so great.
		First of all, I guess to start the whole thing, I've been living in a, it's my dream home, and it was a home in Frewsburg, New York, which probably no one's ever heard of before because it's kind of like a Mayberry.
		And a very small town, but beautiful community.
		But it's been known to be haunted because it was built in 1840, and it's a part of the Underground Railroad.
		So it has the tunnels and the false fireplace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There may be some people who don't know what the Underground Railroad is.
unidentified		The Underground Railroad was all of the connections that were made from the South all the way up to Canada to help the slaves escape from the South.
		So this was a home that was built while it was being built.
		He was an abolitionist and he actually built his home to provide for this so that he would help keep the slaves in a safe area, even though they wouldn't just hide in these little cubby holes or anything for a long period of time.
		Only if the sheriffs would come would they need to hide.
		But they had it all protected so that they could help when it was safe, then they would move on to another station closer and closer, like up through the route, came through Silver Creek, Buffalo, that kind of area, and then up into Canada until they were free from the country.
		And it's written up in all the books and everything because it's one of the few places left standing, which makes us kind of nervous because it is old and it's huge and it has all its little hiding places and beautiful wood.
		And the reason I chose it was because I love antiques.
		And I knew it was haunted from the stories that I'd heard in this small town.
		You know, people talk.
		But it didn't bother me because that kind of thing doesn't bother me.
		But we had first, right away, we were doing our, as we moved in with my one-year-old, we were doing all the painting and refurbishing the home and doing things that we needed to do to fix it up.
		But right away, we could tell that there was an entity there.
		I had, the first thing that happened was when my little girl who had cerebral palsy, she couldn't even turn or crawl, you know, move to crawl, but she was eyeing a ball that was like six feet away from her.
		And she wanted it so badly.
		And we were busy painting, and I took one little break, and I sat down in a chair, and I had one eye on her, and one eye on still my work I was going to do, but instead I see this little red and white ball just not roll to her, but move to her about six feet, just slide across the floor to her, so now she can see it and she's playing with it, and I'm standing up thinking, I can't believe what I'm looking at.
		You know, this just doesn't seem, I know what I want to describe to people, but I don't know how to.
		And that was just the beginning.
		And in that house, we knew that the entities were friendly, but we just knew that they were doing a lot of things in the house, but mostly friendly things.
		Nothing to scare us.
		Just to let them, they wanted to let us know that they were there.
		We have like those latches, the antique iron latches that are on the inside of these older homes.
		You have to have the thumb on one side, you know, to lift up the latch on the other side.
		And after there was just some knocking noise to let me know that there was, it was kind of like a warning that there was a presence in the room.
		And then the next thing I know, I'm standing right at this door.
		It's an inner door.
		No wind, no scientific reason why they should move.
		And all of a sudden, just the inner latch is going up and down.
		And so I thought, well, you're supposed to talk to these spirits to see if they might do something else to communicate with you.
		But as soon as I did, then it stopped.
		And there have been, oh, like you can hear someone speaking downstairs.
		Like if you're upstairs, you can hear voices.
		And you know how you, if it's in a different room, you don't really know exactly what they're saying.
		But you know someone is speaking.
		You can't really actually hear the words that they're speaking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This sounds exactly like a story a man sent me, a really eerie story not long ago.
		As a matter of fact, let me tell you that story.
		And thank you.
		This man is technically knowledgeable.
		He's a ham, as I am, and I'm sorry that I didn't save the story.
		But roughly, here it is.
		He and his wife slept in one room, his children in another.
		They were small children.
		And the children would be awakened in the middle of the night with voices.
		Indistinct, busy voices.
		You could sort of just barely hear what they were.
		You know, kind of like you would hear voices carried on the wind from a neighbor's house, something like that.
		But the voices were so loud in the children's room that it would wake the children up at night.
		And The man finally went into his children's room, and he had to stand on a chair in order to hear the voices.
		But he heard them not clearly, but with enough volume to be bothered.
		And he had to be in one particular spot.
		Now, this man monitored these voices for months.
		And here's the really eerie part.
		You had to be in one particular place to hear the voices.
		And the voices would move about an inch or two every day.
unidentified		Every day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he monitored these voices until finally they exited the house, a spot where you could hear them.
		And literally moved across his backyard until finally he had to literally stand on the brick, you know, the block wall by the back of his house to hear the voices.
		And there they were, chattering away.
		Months later, they had moved, what, 50 or 60 or 70 feet, and they just kept going.
		Now you tell me what he was hearing.
		He ran through just about everything.
		Could it be RF from a radio station nearby?
		No.
		He ruled that out?
		What could it possibly be?
		Some sort of rip, some sort of tear in the continuum?
		Something from time past?
		Almost probably that.
		And as far as he knows, they just kept moving.
		This little spot where the voices could be heard just kept moving.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little freaked out, but okay.
unidentified		This is Marie, and I'm calling from Crow Hart, Wyoming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		And we're on the Wind River Indian Reservation, and they call it the land of the little people.
		But my story doesn't start here anyway.
		We lived in Oregon, and this happened to me about 22 years ago.
		This is 1976.
		My daughter had a friend, and she would come over and stay at our house.
		My daughter would go down there and stay with her.
		And one night, her friend and her brother were driving down this little road.
		We live way out in the country, about 15 miles out of Sutherland, Oregon.
		And her brother and her were going down our country road.
		And I'm not really sure what happened to him, but they wound up going off an embankment about 100 feet down into the ravine.
		And he helped her crawl up the side of the hill.
		And they were hurt pretty bad, but he got her up to the side of the hill.
		And just as she got up to the top of the road, he fell back down.
		Well, she made it about a quarter of a mile to a half of a mile to where the fire department was, and she got some help.
		Well, needless to say, he didn't make it, and she wound up in the hospital.
		And I worked nights, I worked at the Denny's restaurant there, and I worked graveyard shift, or actually wasn't graveyard, but until midnight, and I'd have to come home through that road.
		Well, like the day after the accident happened, I would come to the area where they had gone off the road, and there was this Aboriginal standing in the road with his hands up in the air.
		And it kind of scared me, and I didn't know if I should keep going or stop or what I should do.
		And I said, no, I'm going to go past.
		So I went on home, and I told my husband about it, and the following night, the same thing happened.
		And this happened for like three or four nights.
		And my daughter got a call from her friend that was in the hospital, and she asked her if she could come and see her.
		So I took my daughter in to see her, and I really didn't understand why I was seeing this in the road.
		I mean, to me, it was sort of, you know, what do you want?
		What's going on, you know, type thing.
		It was like he was restless or something was going on and trying to tell me something.
		At least that's how I felt.
		So I took my daughter in to see her friend at the hospital, and she went in to see her, and then she asked my daughter if I would mind going in and seeing her.
		So I said, well, okay, I'd go in.
		And my daughter waited for me out in the hall, and it was just her friend and I in the room.
		And she started telling me that it was all her fault that her brother died, that she could have done something to help him.
		And, you know, she was just crying.
		And I finally told her, I said, it was not your fault.
		There was nothing that you could have done to change the situation.
		And after that, I didn't see him in the road anymore.
		Wow.
		It was almost like I was to go to tell her because she wanted to commit suicide.
		She wanted to end her life because she felt like she was responsible for what happened to him.
		And after I went and saw her and told her that it wasn't her fault, then I felt like a big weight was lifted off of me and she got well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remarkable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely remarkable.
unidentified		It was really a strange situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did it make you a believer?
unidentified		Oh, definitely, because I had something else happen to me in 1980.
		And it was sort of a situation where we lived in a little tiny trailer, and I kept getting this odor.
		And I couldn't figure out what it was at first.
		And we had this dog that kept looking behind her.
		Well, this odor that I kept getting was sort of like, I could smell like my grandfather.
		You know, how certain people, they eat certain things, and they have just an odor about them.
		Well, he always ate curios and all brand for breakfast and toast, and that's what I kept smelling.
		Now, they lived in New York, and we were in Oregon.
		And my daughter kept looking behind her one day and growling, and I couldn't figure out what was wrong.
		And the following day, I got a phone call from my mother that my grandfather had passed away.
		And I knew he had been there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's every reason to believe that those who pass away, even those who move on, linger long enough near loved ones.
unidentified		I hadn't seen him in probably 20 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And I think it was just his way of making sure that me and my family were fine, and then he was okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A very common story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much.
unidentified		You're welcome.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Listen, I'm getting a lot of email here indicating: well, let me read you one from Jay.
		Warning, warning, warning, solar images.
		Look out, here comes a big solar flare.
		And this one is a big one.
		We'll try and get the information up on the website tonight, if not tomorrow.
		So there apparently has been a very, very large solar flare.
		And we'll try and keep you updated.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		How are you, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I am in Kansas City, Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kansas City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		The story I'm about to tell you, although it does not happen here, happens in central South Dakota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Central South Dakota.
unidentified		Right, Mitchell, to be exact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell me something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they saying bad things about me on Kansas City Talk Radio?
unidentified		You know what?
		My husband turned me on to you this evening, and I work in a bar.
		He said he kind of got freaked out yesterday about some Catholic pastor talking about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		no arm of this relates to a possible chris placed on the kansas city chiefs and i've been getting some really nasty and You're a Raiders fan?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, so am I, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, go ahead.
unidentified		About early 1990, or no, I'm sorry, mid-1991, I had just filed for a divorce, and I found out three weeks later that I was pregnant with my second child.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
unidentified		Which is, you know, not great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not great.
unidentified		And I was living with his family in a little town called Parkston, South Dakota, and not very happy.
unidentified		And I was thinking about an abortion, which I have a very Catholic family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
unidentified		And the Catholic upbringing, but at the time, I was so sick of religion, I didn't think about church.
unidentified		I didn't care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you were in the middle of a divorce, taking a long way home, sort of, thinking about an abortion.
		Listen, this sounds like a very interesting story.
		We're at a break.
		Can I put you on hold?
unidentified		Go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We will come back after the break and finish this one up.
		Can you imagine that?
		Are there worse, more serious human situations than that?
		You file for divorce, you're with your family, and you find out you're pregnant.
		You begin thinking about an abortion.
unidentified		It's your second child.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		It doesn't get much rougher than that, does it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert where the clouds and the rain and the mist are moving in on kind of a creepy night.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		Stay buckled in.
		That's my recommendation.
unidentified		Thank you.
		I'm a big fan.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure is.
		And this is the stretch run.
		Boy, what a knife, huh?
		When I ask for ghost stories, I get them.
		No question about that.
		Young lady on the line got disconnected.
		Somehow we got her back.
		That's almost a miracle.
		so we'll get back to her in just a moment You're back, and I cannot imagine a worse situation.
		Filing for divorce.
		You find out you're pregnant.
		you're living with your family His family.
		He is even worse yet.
		And you're considering an abortion.
unidentified		Right.
		Okay.
		So at the time, I decided to take a part-time job to get away from my situation, collect my thoughts.
		And I happened to land a job in Emory, South Dakota, where he grew up, actually, where he went to high school and grade school.
		Working for a couple, husband and wife, well into their 80s.
		And this gentleman's wife had Alzheimer's.
		You know, and not being in a great situation as I was.
		It was very difficult for me.
		And so things proceeded.
		And one afternoon I just got set up.
		And not to be, you know, caught, I used a payphone and looked at the other pages.
		I was desperate.
		And I looked in the abortion.
		This wonderful lady came on the phone and said, you know, I need help.
		And she says, let me take you up this afternoon.
		I'm going to take you to my office here.
		And I said, you have it.
		You got it.
		She showed me all these phones, and I was totally disgusted.
		And she says, I'm going to give you another option.
		I have this wonderful lady who lives down the street.
		She's 73 years old.
		She's looking for a roommate.
		I said, really?
		She said, you know you don't want to do this.
		I said, you already don't.
		So I moved in with this lady.
		She was 73 years old, and she got me back into church.
		And I started going to church faithfully and doing church functions, and I decided to get rebaptized in a Christian church.
		And so I was going through the classes, and I was teaching some youth classes, and at the time I was working at a computer place that made floppy disks, and I was going to school.
		And I remember the pastor telling me, you know, Tracy, there's going to be a time, there's a door here, and you're about reaching that time.
		You're going to have to make a decision.
		You know, either you want to go with the Lord or you want to go elsewhere.
		He says, and someone will try you.
		And I thought he was just full of it.
		You know, growing up in a big family, big Catholic family, I'd never been in that kind of position.
		So one evening, and it kind of struck me weird.
		One evening, I left both doors open.
		I slept in the basement.
		And there was two doors to my room.
		And I left the television on.
		And I read my path out of my Bible and I went to sleep.
		And I don't know what time it was in the morning because it's awful dark in the basement being one little window underground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And all of a sudden, I hear two doors slam and the TV turn off.
unidentified		I'm freaking out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody's there.
unidentified		And then I open my eyes and I see not an apparition, but a silhouette with two red eyes like you saw from Amityville Horror.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I have chills right now remembering this.
		And this voice said, come with me.
		Come with me.
		Now, I heard other people talking about being paralyzed.
		Yes.
		I was paralyzed.
		I couldn't scream.
		I couldn't say anything.
		And all of a sudden in my mind, all I remember in my mind saying was, Jesus saved me.
		Jesus saved me.
		And then I was able to roll over on my belly and put a pillow over my head.
		And it was gone.
		And the next day, the doors were still open and the TV was on.
		So we went and we talked to the pastor about this because I'm freaking out.
		Selma, being in her room right upstairs, never heard a thing.
		The pastor came down and he anointed all the doorknobs and he blessed the whole house and I never heard anything again after that.
		It was real.
		I mean, I even thought through that, you know, being I was 22 and, you know, I'm like, I know I'm more intelligent than this.
		You know, my mind doesn't play tricks on me.
		And, I mean, I looked a couple times at this thing.
		And I just saw those eyes, and it came close.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it you went ahead with the divorce.
unidentified		I went ahead with the divorce, and I had a very happy, healthy child that was born on Valentine's Day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care.
unidentified		Me too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Red eyes.
		Wild card line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		How are you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Northern California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I'm an investigator for the county here, and I had to go up to this place about 25 miles up this old dirt road.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And the people I was talking to, they told me that this house is haunted.
unidentified		That was on this property, and nobody lived in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you say you're an investigator for the county, what do you mean?
unidentified		I'm a fraud investigator.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, fraud, okay.
unidentified		And anyway, I was talking to them, and they told me a few stories about this house getting attacked by this mean male ghost.
		And I kind of just blew it off.
		Then I talked to my girlfriend the next day and told her about it.
		And she talked me into going up there.
		So we spent a total of six nights up there and got some really neat pictures.
		When we first went into the house, everything seemed to be okay.
		Then we smelled a, like, rotting flesh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rotting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rotting flesh.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Real, real strong odor.
		Excuse me.
		Along with a lot of cold spots in the house.
		And the majority of it seemed to be in the kitchen, in the hallway.
		We looked around, couldn't find anything.
		Of course, this house hasn't been lived in in 10 years either.
		So later on, my girlfriend and her daughter decided to play with the Ouija board.
		And that's when everything really started to get exciting.
		I'm taking pictures and playing with the Ouija board, and it's probably around 11, 12 o'clock at night.
		And all of a sudden, the chair flies back that she's sitting in, my girlfriend.
		She gets up, she's holding her knee, and she had to get kicked in the knee or hit in the knee, which left a bruise.
		Immediately after that, the door, which is right behind me, the handle turned.
		Now, there's no one around, and it's close to midnight if it wasn't midnight.
		I was ready to go at that point, but since we're so far back there on this dirt road, I decided to go ahead and spend the night.
		Of course, I can't sleep.
		And we're all laying in the living room.
		And then I hear footsteps upstairs, like children running.
		There's also supposed to be two children, ghost children in this house also.
		Now, six months ago, I wouldn't have believed this until it happened to me.
		Hear footsteps running upstairs and a door slammed.
		And I decided to go ahead and take the tape recorder out at that time and set it up and just let it play.
		And the next day I listened to the tape recorder and heard a small child say, Help me, help me twice.
		Never heard this.
		Never, ever heard it.
		Just incredible.
		Just incredible.
		Got pictures of orbs, orbs in motion.
		There is a sent them to the ghost web, and he posted a few of them, and I finally made my own website because I have about 400 pictures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		400?
unidentified		Yeah, that I've taken up there in that six-day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why don't you send me some email and give me your site?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll take a look and put up a link.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		You bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would that be, all right?
unidentified		You bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you very much, and take care.
		As a matter of fact, I would like to get any ghost photographs that anybody has.
		So if you've got a good one, by all means, send it to Art Bell at P.O. Box 4755 in Haunted Perump.
		That's P-A-H-R-U-M-P, Nevada.
		Zip code 89041-4755.
		And if you cannot scan them, I would be more than happy to scan them for you and get them up.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		It's Mike from Philly, Philadelphia Pa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Philadelphia.
unidentified		I'm a little nervous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, that's all right.
unidentified		Relax.
		About 14 months ago, me and my wife and my dog and my kid moved into a house.
		It was built in the 40s.
		And I showed my stepfather the basement.
		And I was standing about six feet away from him, and he was standing on the stairs.
		And I seen this apparition of a man walking behind him going towards the back door.
		Now, I didn't think anything of it at the time.
		But a half hour later, I thought about it and said, what was that?
		And then I came home and went to the store one night.
		It was like 2 o'clock in the morning.
		And I came in the basement.
		And we had a dog.
		He was about 6 months old.
		And it was about the size of a large cat walked by me towards the back door.
		And I thought it was my dog.
		He was asleep upstairs.
		And I had mentioned it to my wife, and she seen the thing walk in the kitchen, the living room.
		So we asked the neighbors if they had a cat.
		The guy lived there, he died, and his wife is still alive, but she got sick and she moved into an apartment or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it a cat?
unidentified		I think so, because we asked the neighbors if they had a cat, and they said yes.
		Okay.
		But it wasn't an evil feeling.
		It was like they were checking us out and moved in their house.
		You know what I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, cats do that.
unidentified		Yeah, it was like a ghost cat.
unidentified		It sounds crazy, but...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not crazy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, cats, anybody who owns one, a cat or a dog, knows that they have individual personalities and probably every bit as liable to come back as a ghost as a human.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Can I have one more quick story?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		I used to work in a restaurant at night.
		I used to wash the dishes or whatever.
		And I found this restaurant used to be a Marine base.
		And then a church, and then a restaurant.
		And it was real late at night, and I was coming out of the dish room.
		And I seen a figure out of a corner of my eye standing right about two feet away from me.
		And I turned and looked at him, and he wasn't there anymore, so I quickly got out of there real quick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would, too.
		I have seen, thank you very much, similar figures.
		And you always see them in your peripheral vision.
		You just sort of halfway see them.
		Enough so you know they really were or are there.
		But they're not quite there when you focus your vision fully on them.
unidentified		Odd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		This is Jim from Santa Fe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I just wanted to share a little experience that I had back in my Air Force days.
		It wasn't too long ago.
		But I was stationed out at a base in California, and every few years or so they have an air show.
		And part of the air show is they've got these planes flying around and what have you, and they also have some older jets on display in one of the hangars.
		And it's open to the public.
		And, you know, I didn't get to work that day, but I had to work a mid, you know, so I came in around, I don't know, 11 or 12.
		Sure.
		And, you know, my duty post was, you know, I had to sit out of this hangar.
		You know, I had an EAL, which is an entry authority list and tells you who can come in and out of there.
		And the guy I relieved told me, yeah, it was quiet.
		There's nobody in there, just the planes or whatever.
		And there's only a couple ways in and out of this hangar.
		So I go in there and I'm looking around.
		They had like F4s and F5s, some other planes.
		And I was, you know, pretty interested in the ones from Vietnam.
		Some of them even had like bullet holes in them.
		And I took a flashlight and I went up to the undercarriage of an F4.
		And I was just looking around and checking out the lights and the tire and what have you.
		And I just kicked the tire to see how much air was in it.
		I don't know why I did it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People always kick tires.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, especially when you're bored.
		And I started walking away from it and I heard this tap as if somebody was tapping on the glass.
		I turned around and I looked up and in the cockpit there was what appeared to be like somebody sitting in there.
		And it really spooked me out because he had, he was wearing like, I don't know how to describe it, but Red Baron, you know, the goggles and the scarf and the cap.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Guy was sitting there grinning at me and I was like, whoa.
		And I made sure there was nobody in there.
		And it, you know, really spooked me out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was a Red Baron type in an F4?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah, and it really spooked me out.
		And I didn't say anything to anybody until actually about two weeks ago.
		This happened about five years ago and I talked to one of my friends and I'd be disinclined to tell that story myself.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a That's an amazing story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so you just, what, took off?
unidentified		Oh, I couldn't take off.
		I just went back outside the hangar and called one of my friends who was on a Roman patrol to come over, and I just told him I felt really sick.
		Didn't tell him why, you know, until like five years later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense.
		I appreciate your story.
		Thank you.
		And while we're on the military subject, perhaps a correction, I don't know.
		Dear Art, my name is Jeffrey, and he gives a last name, I won't read that.
		And I also served aboard the USS Enterprise.
		One of your callers said the Independence took a torpedo hit.
		That is a Forestall-class carrier and has never taken enemy fire whatsoever, not even during Vietnam.
		The explosion, in fact, did occur and was caused due to a maintenance error.
		But the stories he told are true.
		I've served on five carriers.
		The one I liked best was the USS Ranger.
		There, there was a ghost of a chief that wanders through the ship's galley.
		He was killed in a fire that broke out in the main machinery room, number three.
		So that may be a slight correction, but the story remains.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		I'm Terry.
		I'm calling from Monterey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		I'm sure you're familiar with Salinas, that area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I certainly am.
unidentified		I used to live out in an area of North Salinas where to get home, I would be driving basically down the agricultural area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long ago were you in Salinas?
unidentified		Well, I moved from Salinas about five years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Five years ago.
unidentified		I grew up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I actually lived in Salinas and worked for KDON Radio.
unidentified		Yes, remember it quite well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you, KDON?
unidentified		Oh, yes.
		Yes, grew up listening to Kdon.
		There you are.
		But I lived out in North Salinas and was one night coming home.
		And one of the phenomenons of the agriculture area is you can be driving through the town and it's perfectly clear.
		And if they're watering, you'll get out there and all of a sudden you'll just hit fog like you wouldn't believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And I was coming down onto Tividad and turned onto a street called Rogie that led to my house and had no sooner turned on it when a gentleman stepped out in front of my car, I mean literally in front of the right vendor, and I went through him, literally through him.
		He was wearing blue jeans, a jean jacket, plaid like a flannel shirt, and then had his hands up like he was asking for help.
		And of course when I went by him, you know, I panicked.
		I'm thinking, oh my God, did I hit somebody?
		Do I go back?
		And then it started hitting me that no, there was no bump.
		And I can remember seeing a truck in the distance behind him, like a truck had broken down.
		So I'm driving and I'm just panicking.
		Do I go back?
		Do I check?
		But I'm thinking to myself, no, there was no bump.
		And I went through him.
		The car literally went through him and it got cold.
		So I just went home, slept with the lights on, and didn't think too much about it for about a week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I went to have dinner with a good friend, and I was telling her about this.
		And she started getting pale.
		And she says, you've got to come down to my house.
		You've got to talk to my dad.
		So I go to her house, and she lived in the same area.
		And I talked to her dad.
		And it turns out that a couple months earlier, they had been coming home late in the evening, same type of circumstances from Disneyland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Same thing.
unidentified		And all of a sudden, their dad, he was driving, and they were in the front seat with him.
		He just swerved.
		And they go, well, what did you do?
		And he goes, well, didn't you see that guy?
		And they went, what guy?
		He goes, well, the guy that was standing there.
		And they went, well, there was nobody there.
		And he's like, oh, my God, you know, there was a truck over there, and you didn't see it.
		And he goes, no.
		And so I'm talking to him, and my hair is starting to stand up.
		And I asked him, I said, what was this guy wearing?
		And he went, jean jacket, jean pants, and a red flannel tight shirt.
		And it was just so me and all of a sudden there's this person that I hadn't talked to, didn't know anything about it, and he was confirming that he had also seen the same thing.
		So I went back into some of the archives of the Salinas California paper.
		And about three years earlier, a young man had been killed there.
		His car had obviously broken down.
		And when a car, a truck came out in front of him, he stepped out, but he obviously miscalculated how close he was, and he was killed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And let me guess how he was dressed.
unidentified		I don't know.
		They didn't say, but I have a good idea.
		I never drove that road again at night.
		Never, never.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't blame you for a second.
		Well, listen, we're out of time.
		We could go and go and go and go.
		If after listening to five hours of all of this, you don't believe we're more than flesh and bones, then you just haven't been listening.
		Tell everybody good night.
unidentified		Good night, everybody, and sleep with your lights on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I imagine a lot of people will be doing just that this night.
		That's Ghost to Ghost.
		I'm Mark Bell from the High Deserts.

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