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Nov. 24, 1998 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Conversations with God - Neal Walsch - Zecharia Sitchin - Cosmic Code
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of our zacharias itching
one of a small number of orientalists who can read these samarian clay tablets
which trace births and human events to their very earliest times
was born in russia raised in palestine where he acquired a profound knowledge
of modern an ancient
he grew up other semitic in european languages The Old Testament and the history and archaeology of the Near East.
He graduated from the University of London, majoring in Economic History Having attended the London School of Economics and Political Science, and after a writing career as a journalist, began writing his Earth Chronicle series of books.
Many thousands of years ago, a race of extraordinary visitors to planet Earth deciphered the cosmic code and used genetic engineering to short-circuit evolution and bring about us, homo sapiens.
Their footprints include the vast monolithic structures on Earth and the surface of Mars.
Zacharias Yigin, internationally acclaimed author, biblical scholar, and Orientalist, reconstructed in his books the events on Earth from the time the Anunnaki, those who from heaven came to Earth, had come here for gold, created Adam as a primitive worker, and after the deluge gave mankind Increasingly sophisticated knowledge every 3600 years, when their planet, Nibiru, comes closer to Earth.
But the knowledge embedded in the Cosmic Code, his latest book by the way, remained an enigma.
And so we'll ask him about Cosmic Code, and here he is once again on the program, Zachariah Sitchin.
Welcome back to the program, Zachariah.
Great to have you.
You are back in, where are you, in New York?
In New York, New York City.
New York City, okay.
How many books now have you written?
Eight.
Eight books?
Eight.
They've been translated into 14 languages, and I have a worldwide interest in what I have to say.
I'm really happy to be on your program, Art, after some brief interval.
Thank God, only brief.
Yes, well there should be, then there will be another brief interval and you promised me that you will come and spend more time next time.
I always keep my promises.
Okay, good.
I think everybody should be familiar with your theory of the 12th planet, but Maybe you could take one second for those new listeners, and there are many, who have never heard it, and tell them what it is.
Okay, if there are still any that are left that are not familiar.
Briefly, it is... My eighth book started with The Twelfth Planet, 22 years ago, and it's still going strong.
And it dealt with the issue of, are we alone?
Are we alone in the universe?
Are we alone in our solar system and it answered the question by saying based on archaeological evidence and texts that were considered sacred in antiquity and some of them like the Bible are still held sacred and divinely inspired to this day.
And the answer was that yes there is one more planet not out there light years away from us but in our own solar system from which intelligent beings They started to come and go between their planet and our planet about 450,000 years ago.
As you mentioned, their purpose for coming here was selfish.
They needed gold, which is still their only, perhaps, retainer of value compared to the paper currencies that are coming.
Let me ask you this.
Why did they need gold?
I've always wondered about that.
I understand why we consider gold to be valuable, but of what value was it to them?
Well, not for coins, and not for currency, and not for jewelry, but because, and this is the evidence, the answer that comes to us from primarily the Sumerian writings, they apparently were losing atmosphere on their planet, which depended on its internal heat, and then it's only atmosphere And if they would have lost it, they couldn't survive.
And they tried to create a shield of gold particles to protect their atmosphere and their planet and to be able to survive.
And at the beginning, they thought they'll get gold here the easy way from the waters of the Persian Gulf.
But when it didn't work, they went to Southeast Africa, started mining.
and there is evidence of mining 80 and 100 thousand years ago.
And at some point when the few of them who were here, astronauts who were turned to the
job of toiling the mines, mutinied.
A Sumerian text describes very vividly the mutiny.
Many of your listeners who have access to ancient literature may look up the so-called
ethical myth of Atrahasis.
And in the course of the mutiny, the chief scientist, his name was Enki, said, I have
a solution.
We'll see you next time.
Let us create a Lulu Amelu, a primitive worker.
And when the others questioned him, said, how can you create a new being?
He said, oh no, the being that we need already exists.
All we have to do is put our genetic mark on it.
And then there are texts that describe A course, a trial and error of genetic engineering trying to combine their genes with those of the hominids that already existed on Earth until finally a perfect model was achieved.
And what I'm doing, Art, in my new book is not just retelling this general tale, but what I said to myself is, if we would know, like a watchmaker, If he knows how the watch was put together, knows how to repair it, if we would study those ancient texts in detail, step by step, of how the genetic combination process took place and such texts exist, we would be far ahead in repairing the genetic defaults that are really the cause of our sicknesses.
So what I've done in this new book The Cosmic Code is really take it from the general to the individual.
There was the general story, which I've told in the previous books, and now I'm dealing with the issue of how can it affect, how can it cure each one of us individually?
How can it affect, how can it cure each one of us individually?
What is the answer to that question?
In other words, what is there in the Cosmic Code that would be of interest to or value to There are, for example, texts that describe how the two Nunaki, the chief scientists and the chief medical officers, try to bring about what they call the perfect model, the Adam, how they tried by adding or detracting or subtracting this gene or that gene
Came up with beings that had some defects.
For example, if they did it this way, then the being that they produced had only one kidney or was dead.
some of them describe what we call a genius or idiots that have a very low IQ but they
can really play fantastic music.
They can remember music without notes.
And all these instances are described in the text.
But I'm saying that if others, not me because I'm not a biologist, I can read ancient tablets
but I'm not a biologist, I'm not a geneticist, but I see enough there that if people who
are in the field and who are providing us almost daily with these headlines that here
they find a way how to reach the stem cells and here they find a way how to fight cancer,
etc., if they would see detail by detail how we were made, how we were created step by
step genetically, there would be a shortcut.
And time would be saved, and they would be able to cure us and help avoid the maladies, especially the genetic ones, much quicker.
Well, we are then, actually, the descendants, we are the slaves of extraterrestrial visitors.
Slaves.
We were created to dig for gold, to mine for gold for the Anunnaki.
At the beginning.
At the beginning, yes.
Now we are unraveling the human genome.
As you said, we're getting very close.
Just a few more years.
And my question, Zachariah, is when we do unravel it and we begin to modify our own genetic structure and use more of our brains and cure our sicknesses, the next time the Anunnaki come back, they're going to be rather surprised, aren't they?
I don't think so, because At the beginning, indeed, they just needed us for manpower, creating us as hybrids, and then through a second genetic manipulation, which is the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, gave us the ability to procreate.
But after the flood, after the deluge, they treated us as partners, not as workers for them, not as slaves, and started to give us knowledge, we call it civilization.
And again, the text, which I now go into detail in this new book, The Cosmic Code, describes the methods by which that knowledge was transmitted and given to us.
And because I wonder, for example, many are familiar with the biblical tale of Moses going up to Mount Sinai and God dictating to him for 40 days and 40 nights Uh, information or instructions which is spread over pages and pages and pages in the Bible.
And all that was, according to the same Bible, written on just two stone tablets.
So, in what language was the dictation made?
How could so much information be contained just on two tablets which Moses could carry?
The Sumerian text tells how much vaster information was carried on whatever, computer chips, I say this because we don't know better technologically, that could be hundreds of them carried in one hand.
So, in what language, in what code?
Because all that, as is clear from both the Bible and from Mesopotamian texts, was transmitted through encoding, in a kind of a shorthand.
And I'm trying to give the answer, is the new book, And that information is also the basis for all the prophecies and other events that happened in the last millennium B.C., so it is a vast yarn.
I'm trying to tell it in the new book as concisely as possible with illustrations, etc., and hopefully it will serve its purpose, and that is to stimulate interest by people whose business or profession it is To look at those ancient texts now with a more microscopic and believing eye.
Would you please, now, when we talked the other day before you came on the program, you told me about a Catholic priest who had been following your work.
Yes.
Father Charles Moore.
Yes.
And I'm going to have Father Moore on.
Thursday night.
Oh, wonderful.
So he's going to be here.
I am very, very curious how a Catholic priest embraced your information, Zachariah.
How did that happen?
Well, he should really speak for himself, but may I say this, that about two years ago, a teaching studies day was conducted in Denver.
And he was one of the participants that contributed to the studies of that day.
Others were some college professors and others.
And all those proceedings are available in a book titled Heaven and Earth.
And I hope we'll tell people how they can get it.
And so they can read and not just wait for the interview with you.
But what he said was this.
That number one, what I did was I provide a bibliography of the Bible.
I give all the ancient sources on which the Bible is based.
So, to understand the Bible, read Sitchin, he said.
Secondly, he said, in order to grasp the immensity of a Cosmic God, with a capital G, you have to accept the evidence of God's present on earth with the small g which read the anunnaki
those are from heaven to earth came
and if as i point in this new book
if you understand that date to
with the capital g the one that
we really should uh...
except and and and then the rate because we go then he said everything falls into place
and any doubts people have about the velocity of the biblical story
falls away the whole thing becomes much clear
that they were messages that emissaries of the creator of the universe
who came here you ask me why did that not to come here
they thought that that coming for their own selfish purposes
it but indeed they were only carrying doubt some cost big plan by the
god of the whole universe and i have no doubt and the book also deals entirely with the issues of
What is the difference between faith and destiny?
That we, too, have a destiny.
The fact that we were genetically engineered is not an accident.
It's not the will of just some visitor to Earth 300,000 years ago.
I think this is part of the destiny, part of the Godly, with the capital G Plan, and that one day we will repeat the same thing.
We will go to some Well, isn't there a pretty good parallel, Zachariah, in what early Americans did with slaves from Africa?
Isn't it very much like that in a lot of ways?
one sort of system to another isn't there a pretty good parallels at raya in what
early americans did with uh... slaves from africa isn't it very much like that a lot of ways we brought them
here to work for us didn't we
yes and if that was the excuse And we sort of kept them down and in their place for so many, many years.
And then finally there was a kind of a consciousness raising on our part, not just theirs, but ours as well.
And you're saying that cosmically, basically, the same thing occurred with the Anunnaki.
Yes, you can find many parallels in that.
Yes.
All right, stay right there.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
Zachariah Sitchin.
is my guest.
His latest book is The Cosmic Code.
It begins to get very specific from the Sumerian text about the message and what it can do for you, what it can do for us.
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This is Coast to Coast AM from the Kingdom of Nye with Art Bell.
It is.
And my guest is Zachariah Sitchin.
He is known worldwide.
He is published worldwide.
Beginning with the 12 planets, and now, the newest, the latest, the most detailed, The Cosmic Code by Zachariah Sitchin.
That's what we're talking about and we'll be right back.
In the Cosmic Code, Zachariah's latest book, the newest entry in a lifetime of research and writings
based on Sumerian clay tablets.
The Bible and archaeological evidence in the Old and New World, Zacharias Sitchin, lifts the veil that has separated humanity's fate from its destiny and dares reveal the nature of prophecy in the Old and New Testaments and the secret code that links mankind to the stars.
In doing so, he reconstructed the dramatic events of the last millennium B.C.
when a god, small g, returned to Earth And another came back from exile, and the last king of Babylon heard prophecies of the end days.
And I still have a hard time, Zachariah, understanding how any Catholic priest could accept the presence of gods with small g's.
Well, you'll have Father Charlie to ask, and I think he's a better I'm not a Catholic priest, but all those that truly believe in the biblical tales believe in angels, believe in emissaries, and that's really what the Anunnaki, or the gods of antiquity with the small g, were.
They were just emissaries and angels.
And once you read the word, for example, the term angel, which in Hebrew is malach, Uh, literally, literally means emissary.
Does not mean one with wings, means emissary.
And so, uh, it is very easy once you grasp the difference, uh, between God, the Creator with a capital G, and his emissaries with a small g. I think everything falls into place, but, uh, you will have him to ask.
But may I say this, Arthur?
While, uh, when, uh, I, in my writings, or now on the air, People may say, well, we don't read Sumerian, we don't read Akkadian, we don't even know Hebrew, so we sort of have to take what Zechariah Sitchin says in trust, though there's no argument by anybody that those texts exist and they say what they say, except others
Other scholars say, well, yes, there is such a text, but this is a myth.
And I say, no, it's not a myth.
These things really happen.
But there's evidence all around us, and I've been traveling sometimes by myself to research, sometimes with small groups of my fans, to look at the evidence which is spread, as you said, both in the old world and the new world.
And I've been just barely two months ago, In Syria and Lebanon, in Lebanon there's a place called Baalbek, which anyone can visit.
Now it's a little more safer than it used to be in the Cedar Mountains there.
The Sumerian texts call it the Landing Place.
It is an immense structure with an immense stone platform that rises many, many feet, almost 100 meters high.
Build of colossal stone blocks, some of them weighing well over a thousand tons each, which someone, someone in antiquity, according to the evidence even before the flood, quarried, picked up, and put in place, stone upon stone, which stood all the earthquakes and other natural and man-made assaults on the place.
And when I was there trying to figure out whether it was really a landing place, the way the Sumerians called it, and then just two weeks later, it was at Cape Canaveral, the night there was a launch there of the shuttlecraft, I realized that indeed this was a giant stone-made launching pad.
If you go to Jerusalem, The so-called newly opened archaeological tunnel along the Western Wall, and I say that Jerusalem served after the flood as mission control center, you also come upon three colossal stone blocks weighing almost 600 tons each, that somebody again quarried, brought over, and then placed in place, not on the ground, but lifting them and pushing them into place,
And that's something other evidence of pre-deluvial or certainly prehistoric activities by someone that people can see with their own eyes.
There's even a much smaller object.
I take pride in achieving a great achievement that the Archaeological Museum in Istanbul in Turkey has kept an odd object that was discovered 25 years ago that really depicts a one-man spacecraft.
And they did not put it on exhibit claiming that it's a fake.
I showed them that the reason to doubt whether it is a fake, maybe it is not a fake, and persuaded them to put it on exhibit so that people could come and judge for themselves.
So there's evidence like that.
All around us, people do not have to devote a lifetime to studying Sumerian or Akkadian or Egyptian hieroglyphics, and I really urge people to go to these various places, to the various museums.
In the British Museum, and I give illustrations in my books, there is a round tablet that really depicts the root.
The space travel route between Nibiru and our planet, which they call the seventh planet, as anyone would who comes in from the outside into our solar system.
So the evidence is all around us, and I mention it, I show illustrations, but people can go and see with their own eyes, and I think this is really the beauty of the fact that they don't really have to rely on me saying this, Texas, this, People should really have an open mind and seek or search for the truth by themselves.
Zachariah, is humanity's destiny to become emissaries with a small g?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
All the scriptures, if that's the right word to refer to them, say that The last things will be the first things.
The first things are the last things.
This is stated by all the prophets of the Old Testament.
This is repeated in the New Testament book, Book of Revelation.
And there's no doubt, and this is part of the answer of this code, that how could prophecy exist unless somebody could refer to records or information of the first things And an indication that this will be repeated.
There are cycles, there are repetitions, and not only for events on earth, or not only the comings and goings every 3600 years, but cycles like that and repetitions in the universe.
And what was done to us, we will go and do to others.
This is our destiny.
Well, it's the way it works with parents and children, so I imagine it would work that way between creators with a small g and their creations.
I can imagine that would be true.
Where is your book, Cosmic Code, now available?
Well, it's available in all major bookstores, but there are other things that are not readily available, like the book that I mentioned that records what Father Charlie Moore and others have said, which is of Heaven and Earth, there are two videos of mine, and if people would call, may I?
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uh... you you just cited some archaeological evidence uh...
very ancient
evidence What other evidence would you cite?
There are many people who say if all this was true, there should have been great amounts of evidence all over the earth, if not above, then below ground.
Well, I mentioned some of the evidence which people call archaeological evidence, but some I know question it by saying If they were really here and if they came and went and if they did this and they did that, where is the screwdriver?
This is how we among us say it's the question of the missing screwdriver.
Yes.
But my answer is this.
If they had the technology 450,000 years ago to come and go between their planet and our planet, What would be our technology in 450,000 years from now?
Hard to imagine.
Will we still be using screwdrivers?
Will we still be using computers based on electronics?
Or will we, as the indication is, and I deal with it in my new book, will we use DNA for computing, for retaining and transmitting information?
Will we be using metals that rust?
Or will we use biodegrading materials?
So in order to answer or deal with this question, that we seek the evidence based on what we know, I sometimes say, I show an illustration of two astronauts, two Anunnaki, saluting a rocket ship.
But I myself, if this were shown to me 50 or 100 years ago, I would say, well, there are two beings saluting a very large pencil.
And if somebody would say, no, no, no, that's a rocket, I would say, what?
A rocket?
What's a rocket?
So we are all, I myself included, we are captives of our technology.
When the text describes how the Anunnaki had or retained or kept their information on some tiny, tiny bits of something, I say, well, it's something like computer chips.
But will we use computer chips half a million years from now?
Will we use... I sometimes say, it is really funny to me, all this search called SETI, you know, search for extraterrestrial intelligence.
Yes, I interview people for that.
No, not for beings, but for intelligence.
Intelligence, yes.
Out there, out there, out there, and it's done with the aid of looking for radio waves, and I say how fortunate we are that the search is done today and not 100 or 200 years ago, because then the search would be for evidence of bonfires, because isn't that how you signal from one mountain, one place to another?
Why not telepathy?
Why not laser beams?
Why not... I don't know, so just to assume That our technology is the dominant in the universe is really... Well, I don't want to use any half-language.
It is not reasonable.
Zachariah, who was Jesus?
Was Jesus the Son of God with a big G?
Well, I have not dealt yet in my books with this issue.
And the question does come up, you know, I've been traveling, I've been addressing...
I feel like there's a need.
I really must deal with this issue.
To me, it is not the question of was a certain person the son of God because this really diminishes the subject or the fact that so many millions venerate this personality.
Because there were many others, there were Egyptian pharaohs before Jesus who claimed that they are sons of God.
Alexander the Great rushed from Macedonia to an oasis in Egypt, and that some say was the real reason for his conquest, in order to verify a rumor that existed in the court of Macedonia that his real father was not King Philip, but was an Egyptian god that God taught.
And he went all the way to the oasis of Siwa to consult an oracle and said that this was concerned.
So to call somebody the son of God was really not only nothing new but was I think even degrading.
I think the issue is that at that time there was messianic expectation that things would happen, that a contact with the cosmos With God, with the capital G, is imminent, and I think this is really the issue to face or tackle, which I intend to do, hopefully, in one more book concerning Jesus.
Is it possible, I have something for you to consider, Zachariah, that if we had a sample of the DNA of Jesus, now there are many recorded miracles performed by Jesus, is it possible that if we had a sample of his DNA, That we would find subtle or even large differences in the DNA?
Well, this is a hypothetical question.
You may be really making a very important suggestion, because if indeed the, what is it called in Turin, the Shroud of Turin, contains remainders of the blood of Jesus, Then it has the DNA of Jesus.
Yes, that's right.
And I think that what you have just asked is a question that should be made into a very forceful suggestion and something that whoever possesses that shroud, I don't know if it's the Vatican or just a certain church in Italy in one place, I think that you really raised a tremendous and tremendous issue And something that ought to be done, and not just to be speculated upon.
All right.
We have very little time.
Of course, east of the Rockies, you're on the air with Zachariah Sitchin.
Where are you, please?
Where are you, sir?
I'm in Babylon.
Babylon?
Yes.
Babylon, Long Island.
Babylon, Long Island, New York.
Appropriate name, right?
Yes, indeed.
Mr. Sitchin, in your Sumerian writings where these non-human beings came down and talked
to the Sumerians they mentioned the planets as they
Telling how the the origin of the earth how we were not go out of orbit
Like these planets had a consciousness and I was just wondering why these
Why they would relate the story like that. Is it possible that they believe that
Planets have a consciousness to them Well, it's not consciousness is not the right word, but
they did consider Those who came to earth as visitors and taught the Sumerians
They did consider planets as living as living objects Not as dead bodies, but as something that has its own life cycles and history and origin and a beginning and an end, perhaps.
So to them, planets were living organisms, the way the Greeks later on called, referred to Gaea.
And there's a whole discussion, even in academic circles, called the Theory of Gaia, that planets are really living organisms.
Yes, there are also modern astronomers, like Professor Van Flanderen, who believe that there is a great deal of energy within all planets, and that suns, in fact, derive their energy from the planets that revolve around them.
And that, of course, would answer the question of how Nibiru is able to survive, though it travels far outside the sphere of our sun in a very long cycle.
So there are even modern astronomers that I think support a lot of what you say, Zachariah.
Listen, we're out of time.
See, we're out of time already.
We just got started.
Well, I'll come back, I promise.
All right, you really must, must do that, all right?
Thank you.
In the meantime, I wish you all the luck with your new book.
Where are you going to be?
Right now, I try to sleep in my own bed for a week or two, because I've been invited to speak, and I did speak in Vienna and in Zurich and in Mexico, and I've been all over, and it's time to stay put to celebrate Thanksgiving with my family.
And welcome to the New Year.
Good for you, Zachariah.
Next time, a longer show, my friend.
Thank you.
Good night.
Good night.
That is Zachariah Sitchin, upon which so many people base their work.
I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
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It certainly is.
We spent the last hour with Zachariah Sitchin who promises A longer stay next time.
Coming up in a moment we're going to take a ride indeed with Neil Donald Walsh and I've been receiving calls lately and email and faxes about something called Conversations with God.
Conversations with God is a current bestseller.
It's on the bestseller list and I began getting calls, I don't know, about a week ago, a couple of weeks ago.
People would say things like, you know, you really should read Conversations with God.
In it, you will find out that there is no right, there is no wrong.
Hitler is in heaven.
To which I must admit, I responded in somewhat of a slightly less than humored way.
However, as you know on this program, you know me, I'll do anything.
And so, I have connected with Neil Donald Walsh, and we'll find out if that was in or out of context, and exactly what he means by conversations with God.
that would be the one with the big g so in a moment
neil donald
i've got a couple of announcements i'm going to make and then off to neil
donald walsh in conversations with god It's going to be very, very, very interesting.
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Actually, I want to tell you one other thing, tentatively.
Not tentatively.
For sure, I will be here through Thanksgiving doing live talk radio.
Not going to take any days off for Thanksgiving.
However, next week, for a day or two, I am going to Vancouver, and I am going to play myself.
I'm actually going to play myself In an episode of Millennium.
I've been invited to do that, and I've been invited to do many television shows, and I've never been able to play myself, and so this one intrigued me, so I'm going to fly to Vancouver and get to play Art Bell in a Millennium episode.
It should be a lot of fun.
All right, comes now Neil Donald Walsh.
Who I think is down in Arizona, Sedona, perhaps, on vacation.
You're supposed to be on vacation, aren't you?
Yes, that's right.
I am.
So, some kind of vacation, huh?
Doing an all-night radio program.
Well, people want to know.
People want to know is right.
Now, I'm one of those people, and I'll start off perhaps where I ought not to start off.
I've had these calls.
uh... neil saying you've got to read conversations with god and uh... it is a current bestseller i i i see it going up with a bullet on the lists now uh... and people would tell me the basic premises there is no right there is no long hitler's in heaven and i i admit uh... faced with that i the fought a bit and uh...
Reacted poorly.
So I guess we should begin there.
Is that way out of context?
Yes, it is.
It's not the basic premise of any one of the three books or of the trilogy in total.
And it really is taking one or two sentences from a thousand pages of writing out of context and trying to say that it's the basic premise.
And that would be a gross misrepresentation of the material.
If that were the basic premise, I would expect people to be very upset, very angry, and not
understanding at all what the books are trying to do.
And I don't imagine the book would be...
Book number one has been on the bestseller list, the New York Times bestseller list,
for 102 weeks.
And book number three has now joined book number one on the bestseller list.
It will be number four next week on the Times list.
And book number one is number nine, so two books in the top ten.
I think the reason for that is that there is a huge hunger in this country for movement
to a larger awareness.
We are losing patience with ourselves and we're seeking answers.
I couldn't agree more.
Let us just take the title of the book, Conversations with God.
I'm sorry to say I have not read them, but maybe that's fortunate in a way, because I will ask questions from the point of view of somebody who has not yet read them.
Is it literal?
Does it mean that you have had conversations with God?
I believe that I have had.
And if I didn't believe that I have had, I wouldn't have allowed the book to be titled that.
But I also believe that all sorts of people are having conversations with God.
That is the point of the trilogy.
That is the premise of the three books, that God is talking with us all the time, that conversations with God were never meant to be one way, as in we say our prayers and hope that they're heard, but that in fact God is conversing with all of us all the time by a variety of means, and we sometimes call that inspiration.
We sometimes call it intuition.
And we call it by a variety of names, but if someone says, well, I call it having conversed with God, then perhaps they're open to some level of criticism.
But I sincerely and honestly believe that I had a direct inspiration from God at a moment in my life when I had really bottomed out and was ready to leave the planet.
I mean, I was contemplating suicide.
You were?
I was, indeed.
What was going on in your life?
In 1992, everything was falling apart for me at the same time.
My relationship with my significant other was falling apart, and it wasn't the first one to do so, but another in a long series of relationships that I didn't seem to be able to hold together.
My career had bottomed out, and I had tried everything I knew to keep it on track and get it on track, and my health was failing as well.
And I was just under 50 years of age, 49 years old, and I thought, What is going on?
What is it that I don't know, the knowing of which would change all of this?
And I was furious, and I was livid with the universe, and I stomped out of the bedroom in the middle of the night one night, literally four o'clock in the morning, sat down on the couch in the dark, and cried out to God, All right, either give me an answer, or I'm out of here.
I don't want to play anymore.
And with that, in fact, I did receive an answer.
I found a yellow legal pad on the coffee table in front of me.
I flicked on a lamp, grabbed a pen, and I began writing out my anger on this yellow legal pad.
What does it take to make life work?
What have I done to deserve a life of such continuing struggle?
And somebody just tell me the rules.
I promise I'll play.
Just tell me the rules here.
And with that, I heard in my mind, in my head, a thought, and the thought said, Neil, do you really want answers to all of these questions or are you just simply venting?
And I said to myself, I was a bit frightened by this thought because the thought was so loud in my mind that it almost sounded as if someone had whispered that into my right ear.
Well, I think we all can discern in our own minds our thoughts.
In other words, I know when I'm thinking a thought that is Or at least I hope I do.
My original thought.
Now, I have never heard what I consider to be an external voice.
Maybe that's because I have never listened.
Or I have never asked.
I don't know.
But I think that I would know when I was hearing a true external thought.
Or maybe that's... Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe I wouldn't know.
Maybe our mental wards across America are filled with people Who hear voices?
I mean, there would be that criticism, Neil.
No question.
And I wouldn't blame anyone for being skeptical in the extreme when they hear what I have to say.
But when I start explaining it, then all of a sudden, more and more people say, well, you know, I can relate to that.
I say to people, for instance, have you never really had a thought just pop into your head out of nowhere?
Or been pondering a problem and had the solution just jump into your mind out of no place?
And when I talk to engineers and people who I have people say to me, oh yes, that's happened to me often.
Well, well, well, that's what I'm talking about here.
But, but, but, but, Neil, for example, I am now a broadcaster, but my early genesis in broadcasting was electronics.
And I used to go to work, I was maniacal about it.
I would go to work on a piece of electronic gear, and I couldn't figure out what was wrong, and I'd be testing and probing and Shocking myself and getting in trouble, and I'd finally in despair, tired, beaten up, defeated, go to bed, wake up the next morning, and immediately go to this piece of gear and figure out instantly what I had exhausted myself trying to figure out previously.
The answer simply came to me.
But why am I to imagine that this did not come from an unconscious concentration Of neurons firing like crazy while I was sleeping in exhaustion.
How am I to believe that I might have received it from an external source?
Well, it's not either or.
It could be both and.
Okay.
There are times.
Now, life is nothing but a million choices.
A million forks in the road.
Decisions, decisions, decisions.
You'll make the right ones, you'll make the wrong ones.
If you listen to yourself carefully, intuitively, you inevitably make the right ones.
That's what I believe to be true, but I don't know that I can ascribe those correct, intuitive decisions to God.
How do you?
I ascribe them to God, and I have no need for anyone else to use that language, and I have no need for anyone else to go there with me.
I simply wrote in these books what my experience was, And the description that I have honestly given them in my construction, in my experience, in my reality, it sure feels like God to me.
And so I shared it that way, honestly and openly with people, saying to them, I have no need for you to believe this.
I'm not proselytizing.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.
But I'm sharing the experience from the For What It's Worth department.
And two million people have said, hey, this is a fascinating piece of material.
It's been translated into 24 languages.
And it's selling around the world.
So, anyway, this voice that asked you if you really wanted the answer to these questions, there was no question in your mind when you heard this voice, mentally, that it was an external question, that it was not your own mind simply satisfying itself at a moment of crisis?
No, there was a question.
There was a deep no.
I can't say there was no question.
There was a question.
I would be lying if I said that.
I thought that I was talking to myself.
I thought that I was giving myself answers or whatever.
That I was thinking back and forth to my own mind, if you will.
Having a dialogue with another part of my mind.
And I may still be doing that.
That's a thought that I've had for a very long time.
But I can tell you that as I've continued to dialogue, I began asking questions like, What is this?
Who am I talking with?
But more importantly, I began receiving information that was of such a caliber and of such a quality and thoughts that I had never, ever had before in my life, even some constructions, theological and philosophical constructions that I had never heard anywhere else that were brand new to me.
I don't know what else to call this.
All I know is that I have been receiving information, if it's from a higher part of myself or from my subconscious, but then I said to God, how do I know this isn't just my imagination?
And my honest evaluation of that whole experience, which went on for six years, was, you know,
I don't know what else to call this.
All I know is that I have been receiving information, if it's from a higher part of myself or from
my subconscious, but then I said to God, how do I know this isn't just my imagination?
How do I know this isn't just some person's imagination?
Hold it right there, Neil.
We're at the bottom of this hour.
got was it very well could be do you think i would not use those tools i will
use every tool at my disposal to get through to you the lyrics of the next song you hear on the radio
an article in a magazine left in a barbershop three months waiting for you
to pick it up or your own imagination
all right hold it right there neil were at the uh...
bottom of this hour neil donald
the author of the trilogy i guess now conversations with god
rocketing up the bestseller list is my guest I'm Art Bell.
Well this is Coast to Coast AM.
I'm Mike Pearson.
Thanks for watching.
and but now to neil donald walsh
author of the trilogy conversations with god and uh... neil i think you you told us that genesis of all
of this how did it proceed from there
I mean, basically, you're getting answers that appear to be or seem to be external, and so you begin a dialogue.
Well, because those answers brought up other questions.
It really wasn't intended to be a dialogue.
I mean, I never thought... For one thing, I did not sit down to write a book, that's for sure, and I didn't even sit down to engage consciously in a dialogue.
What happened was that the answers that I was given brought up other questions, and I found myself thinking those questions, and so merely to keep track for my own edification, I had an idea.
I'm going to want to look at this again in the morning, and remember what happened to be here.
So I wrote down the questions that I had that the first few answers brought up, and then I received answers to those questions, and I wrote down other questions that those answers eventuated, and I received other answers.
Before I knew it, almost organically, I found myself involved in an on-paper dialogue.
Can you give us some examples of the early questions and answers that you wrote down?
Well, why is life such a struggle?
What have I done to deserve a life of such continuing struggle?
And the answer that I got, paraphrasing that, I don't have the material in front of me.
Well, hopefully God didn't say, life's a bitch, then you die.
The answer that I got was, life does not have to be a struggle.
I'm repeating this, by the way, now to you.
It almost sounds like a suffer mark.
Perhaps to some ears it is a suffer mark, but boy, at that point in my life it opened
a window onto a new understanding of how life operates.
The answer I got was, life doesn't have to be a struggle, but you are certainly making
it a struggle.
I said, well, what am I doing wrong?
Somebody just give me the rules.
Tell me the rules.
I was given a whole string of them, your thoughts precede your reality.
As you think, so shall it be.
If you want to change your life, change your mind.
I said, great, this sounds like Dale Carnegie and Norman Vincent Beale from 1947.
It does a little, yes.
No question.
And the answer I got was, well, it is.
All truth remains the same.
You've been given this truth before, so has the human race.
From a thousand other sources, in a million other moments, when will you listen?
And it got much more sophisticated than that, of course.
I mean, in the thousand pages of dialogue, The material got very complex in some places, talking about
the process by which human beings create their reality, the interaction of thought, word, and
deed, and how those experiences produce outward manifestations in physical form.
Was there any point at which it became apparent to you that you were intended to take this
dialogue past your own personal consideration and use and pass it on?
I mean, was there ever an indication that you were supposed to write these books, that
you were supposed to go out and proselytize?
Well, not that I was supposed to do the second, but yes, that I was supposed to do the first.
I was never supposed to, and I'm not now supposed to be proselytizing, but yes, I was told quite
specifically in the dialogue about one-third of the way through what turned out to be the
first book, I was told directly, this will one day become a book.
And I need you to know that I did not believe it.
I turned away from that.
I said, yeah, to myself, you and a thousand other guys are going to sit down and write out your middle of the night mental meanderings and send them to a publisher who's going to immediately jump on it and make it available to people worldwide.
But in fact, that's exactly what's happened.
Much to my astonishment, and the books have in fact sold more than two and a half million copies to date.
And it's number one this week on the Los Angeles Times bestseller list.
I understand.
Well, I am curious about, actually, the first contact with the publisher, because actually that's what you were doing.
You were going to a publisher with your middle-of-the-night musings, if you will, or your conversations with God.
Because the book said that this would one day become a book, and I have to tell you that I thought, this is the greatest test of all.
Because the chances of this stuff becoming a book and getting published have got to be one in a gazillion.
I'd have said that.
And so this is the best.
I'm going to type this stuff up and just send it unsolicited without even opening the letter.
I didn't even put a letter in with it.
I simply sent the manuscript with a piece of torn off yellow legal pad that just said, read any ten pages.
One sentence.
And de-waltzed and sent it off to some publishers.
Five to be exact.
And I thought, OK, here's the test.
And by golly, I got a call from Hampton Roads, and they said, we love this stuff.
We're going to put it out.
Wow.
And it went from there.
That's an amazing story.
So, you sort of just let it be a test.
No fancy stuff.
You just put a little sheet of paper on there and said, here, read.
Not even a covering letter.
I literally tore off the bottom of the legal pad I was writing on, stuck it into the typewritten document, and just put in there, read any ten pages.
And D. Walsh and my phone number.
And that was it.
There is a phrase used for what some people would suggest what you do is channeling.
Is that not a fair description or is that a fair description?
It's not an accurate one.
I've been asked that question a million times and I do not experience it as channeling.
From what I know of channeling and what I've been told that channeling is, At least some people describe channeling as an experience where a person's body is taken over, where somehow their mind, their consciousness, whatever... That's correct.
...gets out of the way and some other being comes through.
Correct.
This is not what happens to me.
Nor is it automatic writing.
What it is, really, if I had to give it a phrase, is inspired writing.
It's what happened to Mozart when they said to him, how in the world did you produce that incredible music?
And he said, I was inspired by God, and no one questioned it for a minute.
They asked Thomas Jefferson, in three days you wrote this stuff?
This is in the last 200 years.
How did you do this in three days?
And he may very well have answered to his closest friends, I feel that I was inspired by deity.
And I don't think a single friend of his would have said, that's crazy Thomas, why would you talk that way?
They probably felt, after reading what he wrote, that he was.
And so I feel, I genuinely feel, though I have no need for anyone to believe, that i was inspired by god to write what i wrote
well i know one thing uh... you and i have some common friends from your
background and uh... because of our business
there are those who did not think much of you as a person in many years past and they now these very same people now
view you as a very different personally completely
changed is that a is that fair to say it's more than fair
It's extremely accurate.
It's exactly what's true and exactly what's subtle.
And I don't think that I was a very nice human being in many ways.
I mean, all of us want to think that we are.
Gosh, how bad can I be?
But I've heard from enough people during those days and times that I was a tough person to be around.
selfish, arrogant, and many things that I don't like to own but have to if I'm going
to be fair to myself.
Those things were all true about me and I guess to some degree some of them still are,
but I've learned a lot after this thousand page experience of mine.
If someone were to say to me, gosh, you've changed, I'd have to say, thank you and I
think you're right about that.
What would be the most important things that we would know that God said to you or tried
I mean, there are basic questions that, as human beings, we all have about why we are here, what we're supposed to do here, what is the meaning of life, all these tremendously important questions.
I would presume that you asked or conversed with God on many of these topics.
And it was reduced to three statements, really.
The whole trilogy came down to three statements.
And I was told very directly, Neil, not only all of your problems, but truly all of the problems of the human race would be solved with the adoption of these three truths as functioning realities by people on the planet Earth.
And they sound almost trite, almost naive, and almost simplistic, but here they are.
Number one, We are all one.
There's only one of us, and the idea that we're somehow separate from each other, as well as separate from God, is what has created most of the conflict and most of the difficulty and most of the unsolved problems that we face in our lives.
The second truth, and I can go into that more deeply and we'll prep some time, the second truth was and is there's enough.
That if we adopted a two-word truth, there's enough, there's enough love, there's enough time, there's enough money, there's enough food, there's enough oil, or whatever it is we imagine in the moment we need to somehow get through the moment.
If we got clear that there's enough, that we live in a world and in a universe of total abundance and of sufficiency, then we would also end much of the misery and the heartache that we have foisted upon our own planet.
in a day and age where 400 children die an hour of starvation.
The third truth that was given to me in the dialogue was the most esoteric, perhaps the
most not easily understood, in my mind at least, there is nothing that we have to do.
We have been trying to solve our problems at the level of doing this for thousands and
thousands of years.
The problem will be solved when we stop trying to do our way to a solution and start trying
and start attempting to be the solution or to move into what the book describes in some
considerable detail as the experience of being or beingness.
And those are the three truths that were given to me, and of course they're elucidated, they're
detailed over a thousand pages of six years of writing that describe each of those truths.
Let's take each one of those on.
We are all one.
We are all one, as in a collective consciousness, Neal.
Yes, that's a very good way, that's a very good layman's way of describing it, that we all are a collective consciousness, individuated life forms, springing from, having been given birth by, and representing the one being that is all there is.
And so yes, we are all part of a For lack of a more elegant word, a collective being that individuates itself as Art Bell and Neal Donald Walsh and all the rest of us.
And when we get that, we are more than our brother's keeper.
It goes way beyond, you are your brother's keeper.
It goes straight to, you are your brother.
There's no separation between you.
And all separation between living beings is purely imagined.
It's a useful imagining.
It's a useful tool.
Through which we might have our individuated experience for purposes that are outlined in the books and in many other esoteric writings, I might add.
But, nevertheless, it is a tool and an imagining that has nothing to do with ultimate reality.
So then there's probably even less than six degrees of separation between us.
I don't know how that's meant, but there is... Well, there was a movie... Right.
Yes.
The basic premise of which is that there is very little difference between anybody.
Very few degrees of separation between anybody.
We consider Art Bell and Neil Walsh and Tom Brokaw, and there's very little difference, frankly, between any of us.
I have found that to be true when my eyes were open to it.
And when one begins to function that way, not merely think about that as a concept, but allow it to be a functioning reality, one's whole life changes.
There's enough.
That's an interesting concept, too.
I'm not as bad as I was years ago in the way I treated people.
I can't talk to people that way anymore like that.
I'm ashamed that I once did because I realized that I'm talking to myself up.
That's just me out there.
There's no one else in the room.
There is enough.
There is enough.
That's an interesting concept, too.
It refers to, among other things, the physical.
You mentioned oil, resources, the Earth's resources, and I wonder exactly what that means.
In other words, I wrote a book called The Quickening, and part of it deals with the environment.
And when you look at the environment right now, and you look at the number of people on Earth, Neil, it does not seem like there's enough.
And it seems like that in our quest to raise eventually everybody to the standard of living we enjoy in this country, and I've done a lot of travel and believe me there are a lot of people who don't enjoy our standard of living, there's not going to be enough.
And the environment appears to be very strained to the degree that things are beginning to happen.
The weather appears to be changing.
Ice is breaking off from the Antarctic.
Holes are getting bigger in the ozone.
Signs of animals in our oceans.
The coral reefs are dying.
Animals are beaching themselves at unprecedented rates.
Things are happening that would seem to indicate, like the canary down in the mine, that there's trouble directly ahead.
And there's not enough.
So, what do you think was meant by, there's enough?
Well, first of all, I agree with all of your observations.
And there's a marvelous new book by Tom Hartman called The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight, which echo everything you just said as well.
And so I agree that in our relative world, things seem to have, and in fact do have, from my observation, a finite limit.
Oil is not unlimited.
Our resources are not unlimited.
No particular resource is unlimited.
What's meant, I think, by there's enough is two things that occur to me.
As I've tried to analyze what I was told.
One, first of all, there's enough when we husband our resources appropriately and not squander them.
And if we allow, for instance, just to use one simple example, topsoil.
If we would stop using our topsoil the way we have been in the past 25 years on this planet, and give our fields a chance to reconstitute themselves, we would find out that there is enough, but we refuse to do that because of the way we're farming these days.
And so suddenly there is not enough topsoil, and in another 25 years there'll be not enough at all.
So one thing I've been told is that if we husband our resources appropriately and give ourselves a chance to regenerate, we will find that the system was built to regenerate itself like we grow new hairs.
But there will not be enough hairs on my head if I insist on pulling them all out all at one time.
And secondly, to expand the context of the discussion... All right, we're very short on time here, to the top of the hour, and we'll pick up on this when we come back, but what I want you to think about during the break is whether the husbanding of these resources that you just talked about is consistent with a capitalist economy, the one we... system, in fact, the one that we enjoy here and are now spreading worldwide.
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I love that line.
Good morning, everybody.
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Conversations with God.
I love that line.
Good morning everybody, I'm Art Bell.
Conversations with God.
Three books and book one and book three are on the best seller list.
Actually, way up on the bestseller list.
Donald Walsh wrote them.
He wrote them after literal conversations with God.
And we're trying to learn exactly what it is they talked about.
And we're doing that.
There are three truths we are discussing.
Three basic truths.
We are all one.
There's enough, and there's nothing that we have to do.
I can't wait to get to that one.
So, Neil will be back in just a moment and yes, we will take phone calls.
Once again, Neil Donald Wash.
He comes to us from his vacation spot in Sedona, Arizona.
Neil, welcome back.
Thank you.
Let us continue.
We were talking about the environment and the second truth.
There's enough.
Now, I began to make the case that clearly, with our present behavior, there is not enough.
In 40 to 45 years, the oil that we so depend on is going to be all gone.
The ice is melting, the sea levels are rising, disease is increasing, the storms and weather It's all worsening.
These are signs that something is askew.
So, it means that we are not good shepherds.
Is that what you take?
In other words, there is enough, even with all of you that are on this planet now?
If we were good stewards, there would be.
The resources, the planet is not unlike the body.
Our physical body has been made to regenerate itself.
There are some organs that cannot be regenerated, but they are in the vast minority within the
human bodily system.
By far, the majority of our bodily parts, if you please, can regenerate themselves and
do so all the time.
In fact, we have, as Deepak Chopra is fond of saying, a whole new body every seven years.
The Earth is not unlike that.
The resources of the planet, if they are allowed to regenerate themselves, can regenerate themselves
in plenty of time to continue to provide what we need of its resources in order to live
a reasonable life.
What's happening, of course, on this planet is that we have not been, and are not being, good stewards of the resources that our Mother Earth gives us.
You know that, and I know that, and the result of that, of course, is that we're going to Not just strip the planet of its resources, but of its ability to regenerate them.
And I can think of no better example than the simple one of trees, for instance.
I hear so much from the forest tree industry saying that, well, we're replanting, and we plant more trees every year than we cut down, and so on and so forth.
Well, of course, they don't replant old growth trees.
You can't replant a 300 or 600 year old tree.
And number two, even of the young trees that they're cutting down and replanting, they're not replanting them in a way or in a style or producing an environment which will allow those trees to regenerate themselves in a way which produces sufficient oxygenation in our environment to keep us alive here on this planet.
So we're destroying our own oxygen manufacturing plant.
And that's just a very simple example, almost as simple as the soil example I gave before the break.
And so, however, if we allow ourselves to be good stewards of the resources we've been given, two things will happen.
The resources that are available to us will last a great deal longer than 45 more years, and number two, we will have found during that time, we will have bought sufficient time, perhaps more like 60, 70 or 100 years, to develop alternate resources.
Can you define for us what you understand God to be?
Yes, but the definition is going to feel almost simplistic again.
God is everything.
There is nothing that God is not.
There is no thing, I have been told, that God is not.
And so God explains itself to me as life itself.
I am that which is, that which is life, and I am also the process of creation.
I am the process and the product at one and the same time.
That is, said God, I am that which creates and I am that which has been created and which is creating now, all in one.
So God is everything and it is impossible for our eyes to light on a single thing in the physical universe that is not God.
God is also that which is not seen in the physical universe, the seen and the not seen.
That which is there and that which is not there, if you please.
The am not am, that we hear so much about in theological language.
Of the three truths, the third is, I mean, all of mankind wants to know, what is the meaning of life?
And the third truth seems to be, there's nothing that we have to do.
Does that Does that answer that?
I mean, is that the answer?
That there really is nothing that we have to do?
There is no specific answer to the meaning of life?
Well, there is an answer to the meaning of life, but let me address the first question.
There is nothing that we have to do does not mean that there is nothing that we are going to do, or that there is nothing that we are doing, nor does it mean that there is nothing that we can do that would be of value.
It means that there is nothing that we have to do, that if we are not required to do something, In order to create a particular outcome or result to solve our problems or make life better, the solution to our problems, both individually in our lives as well as globally in the international, worldwide community of human beings, those solutions will arise from what the dialogue describes as a state of beingness, not from a place of doingness.
And yet, when we move into the states of beingness which are so intricately described in this When we move into those states of beingness, doingnesses arise that reflect the beingness from which we are coming, and therefore produce outcomes almost effortlessly.
I'm going to give a real simple example to help anyone who's listening to this, perhaps latch on to this, because I needed these kinds of simple examples and begged for them in the dialogue.
I said, what are you talking about here?
You lost me!
That's what I was about to say.
And so I was given these kinds of examples.
We can try to do things all we want in order to be the thing called happy.
A simple example now.
I spent, by the way, a greater portion of my life doing this and doing that, doing this and doing that, trying to be the thing called happy.
Sometimes I was, but when I was, I found it to be, at least in my own experience, rather fleeting, and even when it was there, somewhat shallow, and not really happiness at the deepest part of my being.
I was happy for a bit, but I could never seem to make it last.
It was always a stop-start kind of a game, even though I was doing, doing, doing as much as I knew how to do in order to be the thing called happy.
Then God said, OK, Neil, just turn it around.
How about if you move into a state of beingness before you do anything, before you even do anything?
What if I told you there's nothing you have to do?
Just be what you are trying to be by all the doings that you've been doing.
For instance, Neil, just be happy.
So how can you be happy if you're not?
He said, Oh, that's the simplest part.
That's the easiest part.
Do you imagine that what you're being is totally outside of your control?
I tell you that what you are being in any given moment is totally inside of your control, and when you understand this, you will unlock the greatest secret of life.
And so I was challenged.
Be happy tomorrow.
Just decide to be, no matter what you feel when you wake up in the morning, no matter what's going on, no matter what worries you have.
From yesterday or concerns about tomorrow, just for the sake of the experiment, just decide arbitrarily, I am happy, and then watch.
Watch what you do.
Watch what doing this brings forth from your body out of a beingness decision that you've made quite arbitrarily.
So you tried it?
I did, and I decided that I was just going to get up in the morning and be happy, and I found it very difficult for me to do stuff that an unhappy person would do.
This is the change that you say that my friends have talked about.
This is how some of those changes took place.
When you're being happy and deliberately, arbitrarily choosing to be happy, you can't flip people off at the stop sign.
You can't talk sharply to your lover or your spouse.
You can't steal candy from a baby or do any of the kinds of things that mark some of us, me for sure, as an A number one unlikable person.
Very, very difficult to be grumpy, grouchy, selfish.
Or any of those things, self-centered or any of those things.
And even if you fall back into it for a moment or two because you've fallen off the wagon, you catch yourself and you say, wait a minute, that's not who I promised myself I was going to be today.
And happy people just don't do that.
And so it was very difficult.
I found myself sloughing off behaviors that were unlike what I was choosing to be and adopting or moving into behaviors which became automatic very quickly.
That reflected my being this decision.
Well, that's a very simplistic example.
Supposing we decided to be something somewhat more sophisticated.
Let's say we decided to be sufficient.
Or let's say we decided to be abundant.
I am abundant.
If we choose to be abundant, we will suddenly discover, much to our surprise, That all of a sudden we have enough of all the things we thought two days ago we didn't have enough of.
In fact, we have so much of it now, two days later, although nothing appears to have changed in our exterior life, that we find ourselves giving it away.
And this actually happened in my life, Art.
Whereas two days prior to my decision, it looked as if I didn't have enough money to get through the week, two days later I decided, quite arbitrarily, I am abundance personified.
That is what I am being today.
I walked down the street and I gave some money to the winos on the corner, and I did some other things with my money, the little money that I thought I had, that allowed me to experience, internally and almost cellularly, abundance.
And as I did that, those doing-this-things were sponsored by a being-this-choice that I made.
And it's extraordinary what happens.
More money began flowing into my life.
Almost immediately and absolutely miraculously.
I can't even now tell you how that happened, but it was often these non-coincidences.
I'd get paid back by somebody who had owed me for six years a large sum of money, or I had a relative pass on, and all of a sudden there was some money there.
I began to realize that our sense of lack and insufficiency is largely self-created out of our idea about it.
And then I began to look at some things that were written, as I said earlier, in 1947.
Norman Vincent Peale, The Power of Positive Thinking.
And I read that book.
And I said, you know what?
This guy was right.
This was not a New Age freak.
This was a guy who was a Presbyterian minister at the marble collegiate cathedral in New York City for dozens and dozens and dozens of years.
A widely respected man in this country and around the world.
And he wrote a book called The Power of Positive Thinking.
What is that about?
Could there be something behind that?
And that's what the conversations with God said to me.
Indeed there is.
Your problems will be solved when you come from a place of beingness and discover that you are a human being and not a human doing.
Neil, have there been a lot of women in your life?
He laughed ruefully.
Yes.
have you ever contemplated of the fact that uh...
the uh...
the goal the interest the fascination
is in the chase and not the capture I did in the time of my life before this conversation with God that I had, because I thought that it was in the chase and to some degree in the dominance that happens when you win the race, if you please, because I didn't know what love was about.
I wasn't being love.
Well, is that at all like life?
In other words, When I read, there's nothing that we have to do, I think, well then maybe the purpose of life is life itself, the doing of it, the living of it.
And I'm reminded again of a very famous quote that I happened to catch on a program CNN had called Pinnacle, in which Ted Turner, who Virtually has every material thing you could imagine, baseball teams and CNN and Jane Fonda and whatever else he wanted.
They asked him what it was like to be so successful and he paused and he stopped and he looked at the interviewer and he said, you know, success actually is kind of an empty bag.
That's all he said.
Empty bag.
The purpose of life.
I haven't found it to be so, so I would disagree with Ted, but it depends on what you define, I guess, as success.
That would be the next question had I been that interviewer that I would have asked.
Well, Ted, if it's an empty bag, what is your definition of success?
Let's look at that.
By my definition of success, it hasn't been an empty bag.
I don't think he was prepared to answer that question.
I think he was.
Probably not.
I'm not sure that I would have been either.
In other words, at that point, he virtually had everything that people traditionally define as success and still felt like it was empty.
Yes, and that's, of course, proof of the pudding that I just talked about.
In fact, the success that doing this brings us does, in fact, bring us to an empty place.
But the success that beingness brings us will never have us come up short-handed.
Impossible can't happen.
Have you ever talked with God or had communication with God about the nature of God?
In other words, for example, does God have a gender as we think of it?
Yes, I have asked the question and the answer is no.
God does not have a gender.
God would not be everything if God had a gender.
Because God is life itself, and you hit very close to the nail on the head from what I've been told, that the purpose of life is life itself, but there is a function to that.
And function and purpose, of course, are not the same thing, and that the function of life is to live out ever grander and grander versions of what life actually is.
This is called evolution in some quarters.
And so that the function of life is to evolve and to create and recreate itself anew
in the next grandest version of the greatest vision that life ever had about itself.
And that we as beings, sentient beings, in this particular part of the life experience
ever had about ourselves.
So that we are in a constant process of recreating ourselves anew
as the next grandest idea of God.
These callers who called me with this simplistic, somewhat out of context statement
that there is no real right and there is no real wrong, that it's subjective,
that Hitler is in heaven.
Um...
Put it in context for me.
What did you actually say?
Well, I actually did say there's no such thing as right and wrong.
The book actually does say Hitler is in heaven, but it says it in about 26 pages that go into great detail.
The point that the books seek to make about the right and wrong thing, for instance, are that right and wrong is contextual.
For instance, driving 125 miles an hour may be right or wrong, depending on what you're trying to do.
Right.
If you're trying to win the Indianapolis 500, it's the right thing to do.
And if you're trying to get to the grocery store safely, it might not be.
Well, how about if you're just going down the highway and it's all open and clear and you want to have fun?
Exactly.
Is that okay?
It is unless it isn't.
Well, it's more easily accomplished with a radar detector, I can tell you that.
Listen, hold on.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
I want to cover a little more, and then if you're up for it, we'll go to the phones.
Great.
All right.
My guest is Neil Donald Walsh.
His books are plastered all over the bestseller list with a bullet.
They're called Conversations with God.
And yes, I have him here because you referenced him so many times.
So, if you have questions, we'll be going to the phone shortly from the high desert.
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And this evening, Neil Donald Walsh.
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stay right where you are back now to my guest and uh... you know i want to read you
something sent by a listener
and see if this uh...
is roughly what you're talking about.
The listener says, Art, try this story out on your guest.
You're driving down the road in the fast lane.
We're staying with vehicular metaphors here.
You want to make a right turn just a little bit further up the road, but here's a car pacing you in the right-hand lane.
The problem seems to be how to get in front of this car so you can get in the right turn lane.
But the solution is not to do something But rather to let your car slow down so you have more time to get in the other lane and let the other car get out of the way for you.
Is this an example of solving a problem by not doing more but less?
It certainly is an example of that.
For sure.
And I guess in an oblique way it's an example of understanding that I don't have to do anything here.
Just relax and fall into it.
uh... and and just he's back and about but i think it's uh... somewhat simplistic
forgive me and i hope that was there will to
what the book describes as moving away from doing is it into being this
uh... would would even uh...
eliminate a deliberate action of slowing down
it was to be moving to a place of being this uh... of being ok with the fact that that
here we go here you go to the editor discussion of being okay with the fact that what was happening was
happening and i think they got people to get into the right early at all
and i won't be able to make that correct See, what you resist persists, and what you look at and hold as your own disappears.
So if I were to use that same analogy, I would say, neither speed up nor slow down.
Really?
But simply allow what's happening to be happening exactly the way it is, and as soon as you let go of it, of your need for it to be any different, the problem of life will solve itself in the process of life itself.
That's so interesting.
I used to drive a Geo Metro for years, and the solution was always to slow down, because I had no other choice.
Now I drive a Firebird Trans Am, and the irresistible temptation, well, I don't have Draw it out for you.
One more item and then we'll go to the phones.
Is there a heaven?
Yes.
There is.
And it's right here, right now, and all around us.
And it is in also what some people call the other world.
And it is an experience of the grandest version of the greatest vision you ever held about who you are.
And it is the creation of our own imagining.
It is the experiencing of our own highest thought about it.
And it is the awareness that God's highest thought and our own is one and the same.
Is there a hell?
There can be the experience of hell.
The experience of hell is the experience that a person would have if he imagined himself to be separate from all that is, and separate forever from that which he understands to be God.
There is no hell.
But there is the hell of our imagining.
A wonderful movie, Barnett Bain, a friend of mine, just produced a marvelous movie called What Dreams May Come.
I interviewed Barnett Bain this last Sunday.
Ah, well Barnett's a close friend.
And that movie illustrates more wonderfully and accurately than anything I've seen Hollywood do in many, many years what I've just said here.
That in fact, one can experience the hell of one's imagining, and it will be very much like hell indeed.
But hell, in fact, as a place, as an experience of truth, does not exist.
And in order to get out of the hell of our imagining, whether it's in what we call the afterlife or in this particular experience of life, all one has to do is cut it out.
Stop thinking about that.
Stop one's negative thinking.
In other words, just change your mind about it.
Well, in that case, the advice to the person who writes this fact should be easy.
This person is named Lane.
Lane writes simply for Neil, I have no hope none My life has sucked for 20 years. It's never gotten better
Am I going to go to hell for checking out? I am at the end of my rope
I would say Lane You won't go to hell for checking out if you don't think
that you will But there but the the hell of it will be that you've missed
the opportunity to experience the glory of who you are While you're here and the salute and so you'll just repeat
it. You'll just We all repeat the patterns that we haven't solved.
We will always throw ourselves back into the mystery that we haven't solved and haven't resolved.
So you'll solve nothing.
You'll just go into the next experience of whatever life will bring you in, what we call it from our perspective, the afterlife, but you'll just wake up on Forgive me, the other side, and say, I've solved nothing.
Here I am, still miserable.
My life still sucks.
Because your life sucking has nothing to do with whether you're alive or dead.
If you imagine that your life is going to stop sucking because you're now dead, you'll wake up to a rueful awakening.
So what I want to say to you, Lane, is get that the quality of your life has nothing to do with whether you're alive or dead, and you're not going to solve it by changing that condition.
But you may solve it by changing some other conditions.
Rush.
Don't walk.
Rush out to get conversations with God.
All right.
Let's go to the phones.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Neil Donald Walsh.
Hi.
Hello there.
Yes, good morning.
Good morning.
Yes, good morning.
Good morning, Mr. Welch.
Good morning.
I have a comment first and a couple of questions.
All right.
Where are you, sir?
I'm in Houston, Texas.
All right.
First, my comment is I tried the other day to call you while Well, you have the program with the Church of Satan, and it's amazing what a role marketing approach he has.
And there is a lot of similitude between Mr. Welch and that church.
The marketing approach might be different, but there is a lot of things very much in common.
One is that they both don't believe in the same kind of God.
uh... which is good because of the church of spain cost and then uh... my people question all my question is
to uh... mister waltz if they're leaving the book like a fifteen intelligence
or in other words in the power of thought and we've
we've been you should say that it was the first period to start
i want an answer for that to work if you agree with that i didn't understand the format
That makes two of us.
I don't understand either.
Please rephrase it, sir.
What I said is, if the livingness of life consists in intelligence, in other words, in the power of thought, and we can say that the quality of the spirit is thought, do you agree with that?
That the quality of spirit is thought?
Yes.
I'm not sure that I understand what he's trying to ask.
I don't either.
You don't either?
Okay.
Well, then we'll just leave it right there.
It is interesting that he compared you... I interviewed the Reverend Andre Schlesinger from the Church of Satan in New York City last week, and he compared some of what you've had to say to some of what he said.
Do you believe, Anil, that the God that you are conversing with is the God of the Bible, the God of creation, the God that is taught in the church?
Or do the churches and the various religions not have it quite right?
Well, again, it's not either or, it's both and.
Yes, it is the God that is being taught in the church and by the church, traditional churches, and some of the teachings of traditional churches seem to be at variance with what I have come to understand, and therefore, I would have to say, seem to be at variance with what I now understand to be what is really so.
But, you know, that's understandable.
When seeking to teach about, much less further understand more deeply something as virtually and heretofore unfathomable as deity, some misinterpretation is bound to occur, and God knows, and I use that term advisedly, that that's true all over conversations with God.
Unlike some theological sources, I don't claim that the material here is infallible, nor do I claim that anything that I have to say about it is infallible.
So I don't fault organized religion or find it somehow insufficient to the task, because some of the teachings of organized religions are at variance with what I now know to be so.
What I also know to be so is that the basic teachings of every organized religion on this The basic teachings are not only strikingly similar, but strikingly accurate.
And all we have to do is forget about the fine print, and stop trying to tear apart the places where organized religion has seemingly failed us, and where organized religions seemingly differ from each other, and look at the large print.
Look at the places where we agree, and if we lived out those instructions, if we lived out those wisdoms, we would change life on this planet overnight.
Let's see, wild card line, you're on the air with Neil Donald Walsh.
Hello.
Yes, Neil and Art.
Yes, sir.
Mario, I'm in San Francisco in the Marina District.
Yes, sir.
Neil, I had a similar occurrence happen to me, and it drove me crazy.
I was psychiatrically locked up ten times.
And I was hearing voices, and a year ago, at Christmas time, God came to me, and he said, now you're going to write what I tell you to write down, sonny.
So I sit down and have coffee at Barnes and Noble's in Fisherman's Wharf, and I write what God tells me to write.
And what's incredible about all this is when I walk around now, I feel like I have more power than any psychiatrist and any priest in this whole area.
And when I talk to them and tell them, listen, I am God when I speak to you, sir.
Only when I speak, though.
When God says I'm going to speak.
Some of them tell me I'm bonkers, I should be locked up.
Others tell me, some psychiatrists believe in it.
They say, yes, I believe you.
And your story in your book, I'm going to go buy it, definitely.
And what I believe is there's going to be a lot of people in this world who are going to say, I am God.
And they are all going to go out and tell people in the street, I am God.
And they're going to talk to one another.
Because what's happened to me is if I tell somebody I'm God in the street, they look at me, give me the evil eye, or I get punched.
But now, I have the strength, because of your talk, this book, and Art Bell himself, because Mr. Art Bell should get a good, giant congratulations from the Blessed Mother, I tell you.
Art, you are fantastic.
I appreciate your call, sir.
Well, I understand what he's saying, and I wonder if you have run into some of that.
Now, you obviously have not been institutionalized, but he said, roughly, when he would approach a stranger, and say he Is speaking as God, he would get laughed at or punched or hauled away again or whatever?
Well, what he said was that when he said, I am God... I am God, yes.
Well, I was going to say, if you had said to people, we are God, they wouldn't haul you away.
They'd probably join arms with you and say, let's go have a drink.
I can agree on that.
Or at least more of them would.
The biggest lie in conversations with God, the trilogy, appears right on the front cover.
Yes, that would have been far more accurate.
conversations with god and uncommon dialogue i received over four hundred
letters from people all over the world i've had the same exact experience
thank you for giving me the courage to come out of the closet with this
uh... perhaps uh... you should have said uncommonly uh... publicly discussed dialogue yet that would have been
far more accurate that that's use of the rockies you're on the road neil donald
walsh Yes, hello?
Two questions, and one comment first.
Congratulations on your sticky candle award there.
Thank you.
I'm very proud of that, as a matter of fact.
You should be.
This is Nancy from Pennsylvania.
And Mr. Walsh, this is kind of an arch area here.
I've been wanting to call and ask Art a question, but maybe you can give your thoughts on it.
He had a guest on who did a little incident where they did cloud busting by clicking amygdala.
In the brain.
They did a few experiments with rain and whatnot.
I've had to justify to people why I stay up from 1am to 6am listening to this show a few times.
I've given them the rundown on all the stuff on Y2K and Ed Gaines.
Then I turn around and say, well, I can't really worry about all of this stuff, this gloom and doom stuff, or I'd be sitting here shaking.
The fellow that he had on about the good things, the clicking the migdala and making good things happen.
Art has such an abundance of listeners that I thought maybe if more of his shows were on the good side instead of the gloom and doom, that maybe, like you're saying, the power of positive thinking, maybe these 15 million listeners would be on the up side instead of the gloom and doom side.
Let me react to that, if I may.
Not specifically with regard to Art's show or its content, but with regard to your larger commentary.
It's important to understand, for all of us to understand, that everything that has ever happened, and ever will happen, is happening right now.
The time as we understand it is an illusion, and that it's all already occurred.
But it goes beyond that.
Not only has everything already occurred, every conceivable outcome to every conceivable scenario Has already occurred.
So when somebody says to me, what do you think of all these predictions, whether it's Y2K, or whether it's the end of the world by some other means, or our economic collapse, or whatever it is, what do you think about all those things?
My answer is, those things are absolutely going to happen.
Unless they're not.
And what will determine whether they happen or not, now here's where we get esoteric again, but what will determine whether they happen or not in your reality, in your experience, is What you personally think about them, because it's like a child playing with a chess game on a CD-ROM.
Every conceivable outcome of that game is there.
Every conceivable move is there.
You can't outsmart the computer with a move it hasn't got a counter move for.
It may lose, in fact, a game, but it's got some kind of counter move for it.
And so there are as many different endings to that game of chess as there are endings in your own mind.
And so you move the chess piece, and the computer says, congratulations, you won, and it's not mad, it's not upset, it just says, want to play again?
It also says, sorry, you lose, want to play again?
And it doesn't care one way or the other.
And that's how the universe operates as well.
The universe, if I could use an analogy, so we could easily understand it, is like a CD-ROM.
All the outcomes are on the disc.
So the predictors of the doom and gloom are right.
So are the positive thinkers who say it isn't going to happen.
They're right as well.
And the outcome that you will experience depends on which way you move the joystick in the computer game of your life.
Each of us are creating our reality as we choose to experience it, my friend.
Do you mean that if the color is grey and Art chooses to see it as black and I choose to see it as white, that's the way it is?
Essentially, yes.
Your interpretation thereof.
If I have a positive thought about something, I'm telling you that my understanding is that it's possible for me to have a wholly different experience of life than someone else might have.
And the second question was, what are your feelings on the Ten Commandments?
There's no such thing as the Ten Commandments, I'm told, in the conversations, but there are the Ten Commitments.
And what God said to us were, I commit to you, you have come to me asking me.
Show me the way, God of our fathers.
Show me the path back home to you.
How will I know when I'm on the path?
Here are my commitments to you.
I commit to you the following.
You will know you are on the path when you honor your father and your mother.
When you're on the path, you shall not dishonor your father and your mother.
You shall not put false gods before me.
You shall not steal.
You shall not lie.
You shall not commit adultery.
You won't do these things.
And that's how you'll know you're on the path, because you will not do these things.
Therefore, these signs I give to you.
But these are not commandments.
Who would I command?
There's no one to command but myself.
Since we're all one, and there's only one of us.
And who would I punish?
Whose hand would I slap when you slip up?
For when I slap your hand, I slap my own.
Rather like biting my nose, just bite my face.
All right.
Well, thank you very much.
All right.
Thank you very much for the call.
What an interesting answer.
We're going to pause here at the top of the hour, Neil.
Are you good for another hour?
Sure.
All right.
So it shall be, as it is said.
Neil Donald Walsh is my guest.
He has a trilogy of books, a couple of which are just absolutely going nuts on the bestseller list nationwide.
And if you're listening to them, perhaps you know why.
Perhaps you'll be one of the ones going out to grab one of these books, sending it further up the list.
Conversations with God, an Uncommon Dialogue.
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I can't survive, can't save a life without your love Oh baby, don't leave me this way
I can't survive, can't save a life without your love I can't survive, can't save a life without your love
I can't survive, can't save a life without your love I can't survive, can't save a life without your love
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Do you think we create our own realities?
Do you think that that's what Gordon Michael Scallion was talking about in the interviews I've done with him?
When he would talk of multiple screens, Gordon Michael Scallion is a prophet, and he would say the brightest screen contained the most likely, but not the sure, outcome.
And now, that may well be, and I wonder if that's actually what we're talking about here.
I suspect it is.
We create our own outcomes.
Tomorrow night, I'm going to have a prophet here.
And when I originally talked about Alan Vaughn, I said he bills himself as the world's most successful prophet.
And he sent me another fax and said, I'm looking forward to being on the show tomorrow night.
He said, I don't bill myself that way.
I don't do that billing.
The title comes from 20 years of registering predictions with the Central Premonitions Registry, 1968 through 1988.
Out of 3,500 people, I had the most detailed predictions fulfilled.
So I stand corrected, and there is a record.
Tomorrow night, Mr. Vaughan, who is a prophet, I have interviewed other prophets.
Neil, you're on the air again.
I mentioned Gordon Michael Stallion.
I don't know whether you've ever heard that name.
I'm sure I've interviewed him.
Oh, you have.
Oh, you've interviewed him.
Good.
Then you are familiar with his modus operandi.
He says, he reduces it to, well, I see three, it's kind of like TV screens, and one will typically be brighter And in color, the other is less bright, perhaps not in color.
That one that is bright and in color is the most likely outcome, but not an absolute outcome.
And this again suggests that we create our own realities.
And the young lady who called before the top of the hour made reference to some experiments that I have done.
There have been a total of five of them, and one of them involved a healing of Danion Brinkley, who was at death's door.
It worked.
Then I had four more that involved an attempt to actually affect the weather by having literally millions of people concentrate in Florida, in Texas, in Canada, and in each case It worked.
I mean, it worked so well, there was no rain in the forecast.
Within hours, or a day or two of trying the experiment, it worked.
Another involved the sightings in Phoenix of a large craft.
I mean, clouds formed where they should not have formed, rain fell where it should not have fallen, and solved some problems.
As a matter of fact, Neil, these experiments worked so well that, like somebody touching a hot skillet, I pulled away from them, and I have done none since, because I feel as though I'm tampering in an area that I know not, and I'm afraid of consequences that I can't imagine right now.
In other words, people would fax me and email me and say, Good Lord, Art, look at that horrible hurricane that hit.
You could have prevented it.
Well, I don't know that I could have at all, and it may well be that if I could have had some effect, I'd have kept the hurricane out at sea, it would have built up to a Category 5, slammed into land, and killed thousands.
So, I saw these things work, but I'm not exactly sure what to do with it or what I should or shouldn't do with it.
Well, that's a very insightful comment and question, and the question that the human race collectively and many members of the race such as yourself individually have been asking really from the beginning of time.
First of all, let me say I'm not at all surprised at the results that you have achieved.
That doesn't even begin to surprise me.
I'll tell you a tiny little experiment of my own, if I may.
You may.
A few months ago, the first time around, when Saddam Hussein was talking about not allowing the inspectors to come into the country after he had booted them out, and we had come to the brink of a real international disaster there, Mary Ann Williams, who is a friend of mine, got a call from another friend of mine, James Redfield, James said to Marianne, what do you think we should do about Iraq?
There's going to be a war there within a week.
And Marianne said, let's call Neil and let the three of us have an international day, it turned out, of an international moment, I should say, of meditation.
Yes.
To make a long story short, on one week's notice, we pulled together an international day of meditation at the National Cathedral in Washington, D.C.
with 36 states and 14 countries having people together for five minutes in real time.
whatever time of day that was, it was six o'clock Washington time
on the day that we chose, which was a Saturday and we did that and we had that experience and we had that
experiment.
What would happen if people around the world simply decided to stop for five
minutes and meditate on peace in the Middle East
and visualize and imagine an instant resolution?
Not in the long term, but an instant resolution.
I heard about it.
I heard about it.
And we finished that at 6.05, and at 7 o'clock on the news they announced, 7 o'clock Washington time, that the impasse had been broken, and that the threat of real military action there had been averted.
Right.
And, you know, so I have to tell you that these things don't surprise you.
Now, of course, the key question is the one you've asked.
What to do with this?
The fear that you and I have the same kind of, we've all faced, anyone who's had these results has faced that fear, and yet I'm told in the conversations with God, it is exactly that fear.
It is exactly that pulling back from our own magnificence manifested in our reality, which keeps the world where it now is.
That may well be true, but I would ask this, and here I will describe my fear in context of your experiment.
Let's say what you did worked.
We pulled back from the brink.
We did not hit Saddam.
So now months go by and Saddam continues secretly to develop horrible biological or chemical or even, God help us, nuclear weapons.
And so what you did changed an outcome temporarily, kind of a little burp in time if you will have that resulted though in his
ability to continue to develop something that would result
you know maybe in the world a million people dying in jerusalem or something
that's the fear well i have an act boy
you know i understand that and and uh... i i don't know
i have to act we have to speak to not second-guess ourselves
i think i think the only way anyone can live life at any level or will be afraid
to go outside and step off the curb is to say i'm going to hold the best conceivable outcome in
this moment and now
and i'm not going to do it right if i can get the universe and say in the long
term was my turning left rather than turning right uh... that we've that which would produce the most benefit
How will the dominoes fall ten days or ten years or ten billion years from today?
That kind of stuff would drive anybody crazy, and as I said, we wouldn't want to step out of the house.
So I think the best we can do, and the best that we have the opportunity of doing, is saying, I seek the grandest and highest solution to the problems with which I am confronted, or the challenges, for that matter, with which the world is confronted, at this moment in time.
And I trust the universal process to produce an outcome from that, an outflow from that, that will continue to be The question begs a larger issue.
How do we define what is best?
That question leads us to a third question.
What is it we're trying to do?
It's not always true that what we would call disaster in our lives is not the best outcome.
I want to use one real simple example that I use in my lectures around the country.
One might not think that falling off a horse and becoming totally immobilized from the next down is the best outcome, but Christopher Reeves may have some enlightenment on this point.
For he may say, yet in ten years, I have done more for this country, more for millions of people around the world afflicted with physical disabilities, and more even for the realization of my human soul As a result of that so-called disaster that I ever would have or could have if I had gone forward with my career as an actor and the accident didn't happen.
So who is to say which way the wind blows, which way the dominoes fall, and who is to say for that matter whether if we did have a disaster that would be an inappropriate outcome?
These are mysteries that I think best left for the gods.
Indeed, and the prophets, I suppose.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Neil Donald Walsh.
Hi.
Hello.
Hello.
Yes.
Yes, you're on the air.
From Seattle.
Seattle.
Yes, sir.
It's a very windy city.
I find your topic fascinating tonight.
And Neil, I've got a very good question for you that just is right on to what you were just talking about.
Right now, I'm working to bring a billion people together over a New Year's Eve year 2000 in prayer and meditation.
I wanted to see what your feeling was to bring out world peace, to see what your feeling was as far as what you think the outcome could be from such an event.
Well, of course, I think the outcome could be astonishing and astronomical, and I wish you well in your endeavor.
But I think it's important to know, as the Conversations with God dialogue teaches, and as almost every esoteric teaching, by the way, says, That we must not be attached to outcomes.
This is partly the answer to Art's query as well.
To the degree that we're attached to outcomes, to that degree we're liable to push ourselves away from them.
So it is important to understand a very high metaphysical principle here.
I've tried very hard in these past recent years to live my life detached from the outcome and to let the act be complete in the action itself.
I wish you well.
I hope a billion people join you, and I invite you to join me in being detached from any particular outcome.
So that I'm clear, explain to me, we don't have 16 pages to do it in, how Hitler could be in heaven.
First of all, there's no other place to go.
So, all beings and all that is returns to the source.
That is, everything that is.
The dust under our feet.
Everything that is returns ultimately to source.
So as Christopher Reeves fell and became immobilized, you might suggest that Hitler had a role to play.
There's no question.
There's absolutely no question about it.
The horror of the Hitler experience was not that he perpetrated it on the human race.
But that the human race allowed him to.
The astonishment is not only that Hitler came along, but also that so many others went along.
The shame is not only that Hitler killed... It really is true.
Hitler could not have begun to do what he did without the agreement, the consent, the willing consent of millions and millions.
Millions and millions is right, Art.
And the purpose of the Hitler experience was to show humanity exactly that.
All right, now I understand.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Neil Donald.
Do the wild thing at 702-727-1295.
We'll just move on from that one.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Neil Diamond.
Neil Donald, what?
I'm going to see Neil Diamond January 1st, if we make it.
Have fun.
Yeah.
Hi there.
Where are you?
I'm calling from Denver.
I have a couple of comments and then I have a question.
First of all, I didn't hear your interview with the guy from the Church of Satan, but to me Neil sounds a lot more like a Gnostic than he does, not Agnostic, Gnostic.
Right, right.
He sounds much more Gnostic than he does Satanic to me.
You mentioned a while ago that we probably have Jana Nackim to thank for our love of gold.
Well, I have to get this in here that the mining of gold is not the only thing that Jana Nackim were interested in, and they're not all bad.
Okay, well, that's another subject altogether.
Then my question for Neil is, Neil, have you ever done a dialogue with your own soul?
And in the course of your conversations with God, have you spoken?
I have asked God about the nature of the human soul.
The last third of book three dwells on that subject.
connection with our soul that perhaps other races in the universe don't enjoy?
I have asked God about the nature of the human soul.
The last third of Book Three dwells on that subject.
The answer to your question, as I understand it, is no, we do not have any more of a unique
connection inherently with our soul than any other sentient being in the universe, although
we may have, because of the degree to which we have evolved, a higher level of awareness
than some sentient beings in the universe as to what that connection is.
And, for that matter, we may have a lower level of awareness than other sentient beings in the universe have.
In fact, most decidedly we do.
But the cosmology, if you will, the whole The whole process, the whole experience of the human soul, what it is, what its relationship with God is, is explained in detail in about 120 pages, the last third of Book 3 in the trilogy.
I can go into some of that here if you have time, but we're coming up on a break pretty soon.
Okay, and have you ever done the dialogue with your own soul in the same way that you've done with God?
I want to answer with what might sound like a playful answer.
Thank you very much.
No separation.
words I don't mean to be. The answer is yes and no. No, not specifically. I have not tried
to contact that individuation of all that is that calls itself Neil's soul. And yes,
I have contacted Neil's soul in the moment that I contacted God, because there is in
fact no separation. I understand. Thank you.
Thank you very much. No separation. So as you told an earlier caller, had he not said,
I am God, but rather we are God.
He would not have been hauled away and spent time, no doubt, in a padded room or something.
Possibly he would have met with a larger level of agreement.
At the very least.
All right, Neil.
Hold on.
We'll be right back.
I am going to see Neil Diamond, actually, January 1st of 1999.
I can't wait.
I've been waiting my whole life for that.
we'll be right back Mama, at four in the noon the school bus is surrendering,
oh yeah And I have missed my distance eating pie, it's in the way,
oh yeah, we both know it's just a mistake, it's all a quick beating in the head
Wanna do, I'll be feeding you one more, wanna do, promise you'll love me forever more, wanna do, good and tasty pie
Back now to my guest, Neal Donald Walsh, and Neal, Debbie writes the following, Would you please ask Neal about reincarnation?
Has he asked God about reincarnation?
The answer is yes, and I was told that the only mystery is why anyone would doubt that reincarnation is in fact what's so.
We all have lied.
First of all, Death does not exist, not in the way we have defined it, in the way we have announced it, in the way we imagined it.
And so, in fact, it isn't even a question of being reborn in the classic sense, but merely a question of us, of the spirit of who we are, the essence of who we are, taking on a different life form.
And we have done that many times.
In fact, I was told outright in the dialogue that I had come back here many, many, many, I'm Andy from Tampa, Florida.
more and more of what I needed to remember in order to move forward with the process
of life, which we call evolution.
The answer to Debbie is yes, I asked the question and the answer I got was very direct.
No question about it.
Good enough.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Neil Donald Walsh.
Hi, this is Andy from Tampa, Florida.
How are you guys?
Fine.
Good.
I have a comment and I want Neil's opinion.
I was raised Christian, but I don't go to church, and I've only been to church once.
I've tried to go, but I don't like it because the mainstream Christianity tries to dictate the terms of how it is, and that's the only way it is.
Well, I'm only 31, but I've Don't jive with that idea, you know.
With my anthropological interest, I wanted to explore other philosophies and stuff like that.
And if there's one thing I've learned from the Buganese religion to the New Guinean religion, and, you know, as they still live today, as they did 50,000 years ago, and still have different views from the Cherokee Indians to Christians to Buddha to whatever, I honestly believe, I honestly believe that we're all going to I mean, if you live a life with bad intent and really mess people over and you just have bad intent your whole life, the next vibration when you leave this plane or whatever is not going to be good, I don't think.
That's what I believe.
Now, being good is not going to get you to a good place.
My basic point is I'm sticking to my Christian beliefs and still absolutely every cell in my body knows I'm going to be in a good place, not because I'm following the terms of the Christian church.
But because I'm following my heart, and also accepting all other religions, because they all have a story, too.
What's your opinion on that?
Well, Andy, I couldn't agree with you more.
You stated it beautifully, and I have nothing to add.
You know, I would have said the same thing.
Exactly.
There's really nothing to add to that, and I think he is precisely right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Neil Diamond.
Neil Diamond?
Neil Donald Walsh.
I want to make you a diamond.
Well, this is a diamond of a show and totally refreshing.
All right.
Glad you're enjoying it.
Well, compared to the one with the fellow you had, the arrogant individual, the Satan Church, this is such a contrast and so refreshing because... Well, people will never understand, sir, that that's what I do.
Yeah.
Well, you do it very well.
Very well indeed.
I almost think you were reading my mind, Art, when we were talking about weather and hurricanes and the like.
Yes.
One thing I want to interject here, earlier when we were discussing people getting together and meditating on good things happening and to reach and hope for a higher end, I think in the Lord's Prayer where we say, I will be done on earth as in heaven, that just about gets it.
In this conversing with God, I try to do that every day in my life, but recently I've had
a question that I haven't been getting an answer to.
In the scale of things, how does the disasters that just took place in Central America with
10,000 people dying and them all being in desperate need and want right now, how does
that fit in the scale?
Did you ever ask God that question?
The answer is there.
If you heard what he said about Hitler, and you heard about what he said about other things that appear to be very negative, then that is your answer.
In other words, they are in the scheme of things.
These are meant to occur for specific reasons, even if We don't discern what they are.
Am I putting words in your mouth, Neal?
Yes, but they're accurate words, and you're taking them right out, really, of my mouth.
I would say to our friend here that the greatest admonition I have ever received in the dialogues after six years and a thousand pages All right, well that gives me a bit of inspiration in itself.
Those are tough words to say and even tougher words to live and yet I see the wisdom of
them every day of my life.
Here they are, write them down, have them tattooed on your left wrist.
The words are, see the perfection.
That gives me a bit of inspiration in itself.
You're in such a beautiful place where you are reaching as many people as you do.
Could you not expedite and enhance the recovery in some way if all of us, the community of
man, wilt this together collectively?
We could reach out and alleviate the situation that exists right now that's ongoing.
Well, thank you very much.
Look, I'm in the process of deep thought about all of this and about these mass experiments and human consciousness.
And I've reached no concrete conclusions.
Perhaps I have to have a conversation similar to those you have been having, Neil, before I'm going to reach a conclusion.
I don't know.
Uh, what's to the Rockies?
You're on the air with Neil Donald Walsh.
Hello.
This is Sunshine, actually.
I'm in Bandon, Oregon.
This is the line I got through on.
Okay.
And, uh, first and once again, I want to say a belated happy birthday to Ramona.
Beside every great man is a great woman.
That's the truth.
And, um, my first experience with Mr. Walsh's book was an audio book.
And I, I have to tell you, That it was one of the most fantastic things that ever happened to me in this life.
And if people don't read the book or they can't read the book, get the audio because I can't remember who the woman was.
Ellen Burstyn.
Yeah.
And it was Ed Asner.
Ellen Burstyn.
Really?
And Ed Asner as the man, woman, voices of God.
And I couldn't believe it because it was everything I've ever known put into the human language, which is very limited.
Thank you, Mr. Walsh.
Thank you, God, Goddess, whatever.
I have a question and then I have a comment about Jesus Christ.
I've seen the movie.
I don't know if you have, The Last Temptation of Christ.
I know also there are many books that are not in the Bible and so on, and Art has had quite a few people on.
One gentleman, I don't remember his name, but he's coming out with the information of the books that were not put in and so on.
Can you give us a little insight into Christ?
You know, I didn't ask a lot of questions in the dialogue about that specifically, because that wasn't something... You understand that the dialogue that I had, the six-year dialogue, was not an attempt to ask every question that human beings want the answers to.
It was really a very personal experience, a very personal process that dealt with the issues that I was confronted with in my life.
That's not one of them, and so I'm sorry to say that I didn't get into a great deal of interactive dialogue about who is this man called Jesus, give me his background, tell me everything there is to know about him, because that wasn't something that was plaguing me in my life.
I was trying to figure out my wife, not Jesus.
I was trying to figure out my boss, my life, why no one liked me, what I had to do to succeed.
In addition, I was trying to figure out what's going on in the world.
How could we have developed the economy we've developed, the society we've developed, the educational system we've developed?
What happened?
Where did we go wrong?
And that just reminded me, Neil, I asked a question that I never got back to.
We were talking about the Earth's resources and shepherding them and all the rest of that, and the path we're presently headed down.
And I asked, sort of, as we went into the bottom of that hour, whether you thought That capitalism and being good shepherds of the environment can be consistent?
Not as capitalism as now being expressed and experienced, no.
A form of capitalism, yes, but not capitalism in the traditional sense of winner-take-all or survival of the fittest or win-lose.
We have to find a way to redesign capitalism, not toss it out, not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
But to redesign capitalism, to recreate it, if you please, or to use Al's famous phrase, to reinvent it, we need to reinvent capitalism in a new way that allows us to play win-win.
One of the ways that's described in the second book of the trilogy, book two of the CWG trilogy, looks at this deeply and spends maybe 50 pages on this issue, and the answer is transparency, utter transparency.
But the book calls total visibility in the way we construct and conduct our economic experience on this planet.
And with transparency, with total visibility, will come a new form of capitalism that will not necessarily have to produce winners or losers.
Again, it does not have to be either or.
It can be both and.
And what's required here is thinking and creating outside the box, moving in directions we have not moved I mean, Gene Roddenberry had it right.
The name Ellen Burstyn came up a moment ago.
I guess she did some of the audio for one of your books?
All three of the books.
Ellen and I are friends, and she sat down and recorded The Voice of God for all three books.
Then maybe you can help me a little bit with this.
She did one of the best movies I've ever seen, that I strangely cannot recall the title of right now, but she was in that movie.
Somebody who had the power of healing.
It's called Resurrection.
Thank you, Resurrection.
One of the better movies I've ever seen, and she could heal with touch.
She refused to specify where the power to do that came from.
Because of that, and she was somewhere in the Bible Belt in the movie, I can't remember where.
Because she refused to specify and say the power came from God, She was virtually, nearly burned at the stake.
Not quite in the modern day, but this is the same thing as.
Ostracized, for sure.
Yeah, that's for sure.
I thought that was the most intriguing movie, and so well acted by Ellen Burstyn, and so unrecognized generally.
She invented the story.
Did she?
Yes, it was a story of her own creation.
Something that's not widely known, but I know this because I know Ellen.
And I've discussed the movie with her at great length, because I had the same interest in it.
I saw the movie 20 years ago, and several times since, and I went out and finally purchased a copy.
Very hard to get.
Oh yes.
But I found a copy, and I have it, and it's a remarkable movie.
It's become a cult classic.
And Ellen Burstyn is one of the most underrated talents of our time.
And the final scene, I shall never forget when she puts her arm around that little boy with cancer at that gas station out in the middle of nowhere with a double-headed snake.
Remarkable.
All right.
First time caller on the line, you are on the air with Neil Donald Walsh.
Hi.
Hello.
This is Steve from Nashville, Tennessee.
Hi, Steve.
How are you doing?
Fine.
Good.
Well, I just want to say I really enjoy your show nightly, Art.
Thank you.
And I really respect you a lot.
Neil, I got a chance to read the second book several months ago.
Don't take this as an attack or anything of the such.
I am a Christian.
I made some notes on the book.
I actually want to read the first and the third one as well.
One thing that's very consistent throughout the book is believing in your own deity and You know, that we all are God, in which that is the very first lie in the Bible in which Satan said that if you eat of the fruits that God said don't, then you shall be as God.
There's just a lot of very, very strong parallels between the God that you talk to And Satan's disposition in the Bible.
I just find it very interesting and, you know, sort of suspicious.
There was a lot of talk in the second book about suggestions, maybe not suggestions, but mentions of a one world government, a one world currency, one world religion, which I'm a very avid prophecy student, Bible prophecy student, and, you know, that stuff is Prophecy is, I mean, in my personal opinion, is just some of the strongest evidence that has ever been written.
I mean, there's so many evidences.
Well, Collar, these moves toward a one-world economy, a one-world political system, they're presently occurring.
Oh, I know.
I know.
And that's another thing that makes me believe it even more.
One thing I should mention, My sister actually turned me on to the book, and of course, out of just human nature, when you take on something that your pre-existing beliefs don't agree with, you automatically sort of snub your nose at it.
But I read it.
I read the entire thing.
And after I read it, now notice what I'm saying.
After I read it, my beliefs did not stay faith in the Bible.
It actually increased my faith in the Bible, because it It actually confirmed the big picture.
The disciples in the Bible asked him what would be the signs of the end times.
The very first thing he said was, take heed that no man deceives you and that there will be many false teachers and many false prophets and a lot of false Neal Donald Walsh, thank you so much for being here.
I guess I don't have to wish you luck with your books.
You're having great luck.
What I will wish you is a nice, restful vacation in Sedona.
to say i hope that i'm not a false prophet but i could tell you this is all
i did was renew your faith in the god of your understanding that bless you and
bless me neil donald
walsh thank you so much for being here uh... i wish you so i i guess i don't have to wish you luck
with your books you're having great luck what i will wish you
is a nice restful vacation in sedona
Take care, my friend.
Thank you.
Good night.
We'll be back with one hour of open lines.
I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
And you know what I think the answer is?
I think it's love.
And if you listen carefully to the words of this, it comes through loud and clear.
And if you listen carefully to the words of this, it comes through loud and clear.
You know I need your love, you cannot hold over me.
Long as I got your love, you know that I'll never leave.
When I wanted you to share my life, I had no doubt in my mind.
Turn it up, turn it up, turn it up, turn it down.
I'm gonna be around, love to hear her question.
Turn it upside down, love to hear her question.
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It certainly is, and we're about to launch into an hour of unscreened, open line, talk radio, anything you want to talk about is fair game.
Anything at all.
We'll kind of check what's going on in the world.
Not a hell of a lot, frankly.
and then we'll open the lines.
Alright, here we go.
Well, let me cover a couple of things.
The world.
Let's see.
Vice President Gore is not to be investigated.
Attorney General Janet Reno said she will not order an independent counsel to investigate the Vice President for allegations he lied to campaign finance investigators, but vowed to continue to look into President Clinton's fundraising tactics during the 96 campaign.
A non-profit conservative group is suing the Democrat Party, seeking to expose alleged campaign fundraising abuses involving the Clinton White House.
And the beat goes on.
In Europe, cold weather has killed 85 people.
There really is something profoundly, seriously wrong with our weather.
Next headline.
1998 was the costliest year for disasters in history.
Are you surprised?
The hurricanes, tropical storms, other natural disasters that struck the U.S.
have cost the Red Cross more money than it has ever paid out in its history.
Are you surprised?
I am not.
It is not the end of the world, but the beginning of a new space exploration expedition.
A proposed NASA mission, codenamed, you're going to love this, Deep Impact, aims to smash a 500 kilogram copper projectile into a speeding comet.
Deep Impact is one of five proposals under consideration by the Space Agency.
The Copper Ball is on track to hitch a ride with the European Space Agency's Mars Express spacecraft in 2003.
Now get this, somewhere along the way, the ball will launch from the craft and smash into the P-Temple Comet to see what the comet is made up of.
Missions like Deep Impact may enable scientists, they say, to discover the origins of life, or at least the materials that have gone to make up life and how they evolved in space.
Why do I imagine always the darkest?
Somehow, Operation Deep Impact hits this comet, knocking it slightly off its course and heading it dead center for Earth.
Probably not, but that's me.
Once again, I want to tell my audience, I'm going to be here through Thanksgiving Live.
I'm not going to take any days off.
However, next week, I will take a couple, and I am going to go do an episode of Millennium.
And in this episode, without giving anything about the episode away, I'm going to get to play myself.
And that was so attractive.
Instead of playing a part, I get to play myself.
Doing talk radio.
And it is so interesting to me that I'm going to go and do it.
All right, coming up in not just a moment, but actually right now.
Or do I need to do this?
Well, let me go ahead and go to the phones.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Good morning.
I'd like to give my two cents in on whether we're guards or not.
There's a passage in the Bible, I believe it's John chapter 10 verse 31 to 36, where Jesus is about to be stoned by the Jews.
And Jesus asked the Jews, well, why are you going to stone me?
Haven't I done good works?
And the Jews say, well, we're going to stone you Not because of the good works you've done, but because you blaspheme, because you say ye are gods.
And Jesus answers them by saying, well, doesn't your own scriptures say that ye are gods?
And if it's so written in your scriptures, then it must be so.
And I've always found that curious, you know, as to what exactly did that mean?
Well, perhaps now, after hearing the interview, you heard you have some insight.
Yes, I do.
Oh, and about your guest, does he have an 800 number where I could purchase his books, or do I have to go to Barnes & Noble?
Oh, you can go to any major bookstore.
I think he did give some number out, but any major bookstore in the U.S.
right now has them.
They're high on the New York Times bestseller list, so they are in stock.
Conversations with God.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hey Art, it's Paul in Philadelphia.
How are you?
I'm fine, Paul.
Yeah, it's been a good show.
Gee, what did I want to say?
It's such an amazing thing to get you every time.
I wanted to say, I know the first thing I wanted to mention is maybe I'll have to watch Millennium.
I don't think I would want to miss that.
I thought that Mr. Walsh It is a pretty common experience, I think, but I wanted to mention that each of us finds in our own realities what reality is to each of us.
I guess the ticket for me is to find which way to be myself, as much as I can be myself, as honest as I find that I'm going to be, and then to figure out how to accept all the myriad of guests that you bring on and to accept you know mister walsh's reality and uh...
and the story about the ananaki and all that kind of thing and uh...
well i was wondering with their families and that that you didn't offer him the last hour
well yes uh... because he's on vacation and i already prevailed upon him at the last moments
i'd like to go on the air and the guy flew down to sudania earlier today
and he's obviously pooped. I hear.
Well, anyway, he was very good.
I hope you have him on again.
Plus the fact that there is a one hour time difference, so instead of being quarter after two where he is, it's quarter after three.
I see.
Yeah, but as usual, the shows recently have been fascinating.
The Psycop was great, and I thought he defended everything well, and I know the audience.
One of the most amazing things about listening to the show Is that you can feel the thinking, at least I feel as though I can feel the thinking of the audience.
And it's been such a great thing in my life to hear the rumblings of the minds that are listening and reflect it in my own picture of what's happening.
Well, my audience, the people who actually listen to this program, have no problem understanding what it's all about.
Yes, and the Satanist, who I think was quite interesting to hear.
Of course, I wasn't supportive of him, but I appreciate that you have all of your guests on.
I always appreciate how, if I call and I'm trying to remember what to say, that you give me a chance to try to remember.
It's your politeness and your courteousness that makes the show so good, because something can be on the edge, but it can still be run with a certain amount of sense and correctness.
That's such a wonderful thing for this country.
I think that all of the national shows, if they'd stop acting like goofballs all the time... I turn them on for a second and I hear them giggling.
Who would want to listen to that?
I know.
I know.
I appreciate the call, sir.
Thank you.
And the only real defense of this program is the fact that it has no fixed formula.
So it makes it very difficult to criticize, really.
It has no fixed formula.
It never will.
I am as likely to be Off in one direction as I am the other on any given night.
You never know what I'm going to do.
You never know what I'm going to do.
And a lot of it seems contradictory until you realize that that is precisely what I intend.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Oh.
Turn your radio off.
Okay.
That's good.
Good, good.
Where are you?
I am in Portland, Oregon.
Portland.
K-E-X.
That's correct.
Well, it was a very interesting program tonight, and I have just a couple of comments, particularly regarding Neil's opinions and how they relate to biblical philosophy.
I think it's very interesting if you take Judeo-Christian philosophy, which states that God is omnipotent and omnipresent.
And if you follow that through logically, we would have to come to the conclusion that we are God.
His description of heaven as being included, as being aware of this common God consciousness, and hell perhaps as living out this individuation, this separateness, I thought was also very interesting.
Mm-hmm.
And follows with the Christian philosophy.
Well, if that is an accurate description, then it could be certainly said there's a lot more hell than heaven on earth.
This is true.
I believe that is very much so.
And also, it's very interesting in Christian philosophy that the statement, the truth is made that in order to live you must first die.
And I think that in order for us to truly live and truly I think it's very interesting that the quickening times that we're experiencing now push us to recreate ourselves.
He also says that these things and more you shall do, which also coincides with what he
was saying.
I also think it's very interesting that the quickening times that we're experiencing now
push us to recreate ourselves.
And his description of God also states that not only is God omnipresent and everything,
but also always recreating itself in order to realize the most awesome potential of our
God consciousness.
Thank you.
I'm glad you mentioned my book.
I'm supposed to say something about it.
There is this very narrow window, and I always do this every year, and I think this is the last year for it.
I have written two books.
The Art of Talk and The Quickening.
And I will, at some future date, go into more of a description, but I will tell you this.
They're both hardback.
They are both available right now, signed, autographed copies.
And that will continue only as long as I'm able to reasonably autograph the books.
All right?
Short little window here.
Between now and Christmas and when I say it's over is over that night Because it kind of gets that it mounts up, you know, I sign books and it gets to the point where I say that's it I Can't do anymore and that's where I stop it.
So that offer is presently open you can get the art of talk and the quickening and For $44.95 plus shipping and handling, so you save money if you get both.
You can also buy them individually for $24.95 each.
The number is 1, and it's good 24 hours a day, by the way, right now.
1-800-864-7991.
1-800-864-7991.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
24 hours a day, by the way, right now to 1-800-864-7991.
1-800-864-7991.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air. Hi.
Art Bell.
Yes!
Hi!
Hello!
Wow, this is really weird.
My husband wanted me to call.
Okay.
I know he's listening.
And I wanted... Alright, turn your radio off.
Okay, hold on a second.
This is standard 101 when you call a talk show.
When you hear the click and you know you're on the air, turn that radio off right away.
Okay, I've been trying to call for three weeks.
Right.
My name is Carrie, and I'm from Cape Girardeau, Missouri.
Ah, the home of Rush!
Yes.
We don't like him.
Well, surely not all of Cape Girardeau dislikes Rush.
Well, no.
In fact, he's big here.
Well, there you are.
He's big back in New York, too.
Yes, very.
He's big wherever he is.
You know how people are always telling you you need to initiate something?
Yes.
And make something big happen?
Yep.
Well, no offense to you, but why should you have to do it?
When people can just do it themselves.
I don't know.
Because I'm here.
Because they presume I can enlist the aid of millions of minds.
And so it's not me doing anything.
I'm just sort of like a band leader.
That's all.
I have no illusions.
I have no personal power.
No, but if people just every morning when they get up just start thinking about love and truth.
And then the night before they go to bed, thinking about the same thing, it'll just start happening everywhere.
They don't have to wait for you to do it.
They can just do it themselves if they want it to happen bad enough.
I think that I believe that.
So, you know, they can just go ahead and do it now, you know?
Why wait for Art Bell to tell them to do it when they have it in themselves to do it?
Um, well said.
And maybe I'll, next time I get a call like that, I'll say exactly that to the person.
How about that?
All right.
Thank you.
Okay.
You take care.
All right.
Bye.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Yes, Art.
This is Andy from New York City.
Yes, sir.
I wonder if you'd give me about half a minute to comment on the Kansas City Chiefs.
I'm taking a lot of heat for that, you know.
Well, in case some of the listeners don't know, you several weeks ago had Evelyn Baglini on the program.
Evelyn is a witch.
I consider her a good witch.
She's a good witch.
I asked her if it would be possible to put a curse on the Kansas City Chiefs.
Now many experts before the season had the Chiefs contending for the Super Bowl.
I know.
And they've never lost six in a row like this before.
I know.
Last week they played the Chargers.
They were Winning, the Chargers had one of the worst records in the league.
Ended up beating them by one point.
Last year, Denver went to the Super Bowl, but Kansas City actually won that division.
Denver went as a wild card.
Statistically, Kansas City was a better team, and this year, the biggest mind boggler in the NFL.
Atlanta's winning, but Dan Reeves, that's understandable.
The Patriots are doing kind of bad, but hey, they won Monday night.
This is the big boggler in the NFL, and I think maybe you ought to be a consultant for the NFL.
You think you could get on there with Bradshaw and them and maybe do some pregame?
You seem to know more about it than they do.
Well, if I were to tell you how many Of course, all the faxes and emails coming from Kansas City are, you might imagine, somewhat less than friendly.
Well, Edwin in New York, we're all hoping you're a Jets fan.
Please help us.
Are you a Jet fan, Art?
Come on, man.
Get on our bandwagon.
Well, I don't dislike the Jets.
That's good enough.
We'll take it.
Hey, thanks a lot.
Have a great night.
I guess it beats a curse.
All right, take care.
What he says is true.
I mean, from the moment of that discussion of a curse, that was the end.
That was the end.
Six in a row.
Down the tubes.
So, maybe I should consider that one of the experiments.
What do you think?
Would that be technically classified as number six?
Well, I am available for consultation.
If any professional sports teams would like to contact me, we can talk.
Don't forget, hey, this Friday, Friday night, Saturday morning, I'm reserving the entire night for ghost stories.
We had ghost interrupt us on Halloween.
I've been promising another show, and so Good to my word, this Friday night, Saturday morning, we are going to tell ghost stories.
If you scare easily, stay away.
If not, this is gonna be one you're not gonna wanna miss.
You can dance, you can dance.
You can dance, you can dance.
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wildcard line at area code 702 727 1295. This is Coast to Coast AM from the Kingdom of Nye.
It certainly is and I'm glad to be here. I've got a little airline humor for you here in
a moment.
Stuff I found on the net that I found particularly humorous, and I thought I'd pass it on.
Stand by for that.
Please stay in your seats and keep your seatbelts buckled.
Alright, a little bit of airline humor I promised.
Thank you.
Bye.
Heard on airlines, and I've heard quite a few of these, I've done a lot of travel and there are a lot of cabin attendants and pilots who seem to want to be comedians and add a little spice and it's kind of fun when you fly because you really get sick of the same old thing, you know?
Same old instructions, same old everything.
Heard on one airline, there may be 50 ways to leave your lover, but there are only four ways out of this airplane.
Also heard, and after landing, thank you for flying Delta Business Express.
We hope you enjoyed giving us the business as much as we enjoyed taking you for a ride.
Or this one.
Should the cabin lose pressure, Oxygen masks will drop from the overhead area.
Please place the bag over your own mouth and nose before assisting children or adults acting like them.
Overheard on an American Airlines flight to Amarillo, Texas on a particularly windy and bumpy day, during the final approach, the captain was really having to fight it.
After an extremely hard landing, The flight attendant came on the public address system and said, Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Amarillo.
Please remain in your seats with your seatbelts fastened while the captain taxis what's left of our airplane to the gate.
Another flight attendant's comment on a less than perfect landing,
we ask you to please remain seated as Captain Kangaroo bounces us to the terminal.
Bye.
Or this one.
After a particularly rough landing during thunderstorms in Memphis, a flight attendant on a Northwest flight announced, please take care when opening the overhead compartments because after a landing like that, sure as hell, everything's shifted.
Oh boy.
Or this.
In the event of a sudden loss of cabin pressure, oxygen masks will drop from the ceiling.
Stop screaming, grab the mask, and pull it over your face.
If you have a small child traveling with you, secure your mask before assisting with theirs.
If you are traveling with two small children, decide now which one you love more.
You find these things on the net every now and then.
Let's see.
I like this one.
An airline pilot wrote that on a particular flight he had hammered his ship into the runway rather hard.
The airline had a policy which required the first officer to stand at the door.
I'm sure you've seen them.
While the passengers exited, smile and give them the thanks for flying XYZ Airlines.
He said that in light of his bad landing, he had a hard time looking the passengers in the eye, thinking some would have a smart comment.
Finally, everyone had gotten off except for this little old lady walking with a cane.
And she said, Sonny, mind if I ask you a question?
Why no, ma'am, said the pilot.
What is it?
And the little old lady said, did we land or were we shot down?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Yeah, alright.
Hey, it's Kevin from Aspen.
Ah, yes, Kevin.
I, uh, mentioned about some faxes.
The faxes I sent you a while ago.
And I was wondering if you had maybe read it.
Well, which one?
Well, it was a brief autobiographical sketch of myself.
It pertained to you, uh, suggesting that you might be interested in having me on as a guest.
so i wrote you a brief autobiographical sketch and a description of uh... what i
would uh...
want to talk about and then the other one had a lot to do with the uh... great
pyramid then you better refresh my memory cuz i'm sorry i'm not
recalling it right now how many pages
they were only one page one page i should have it there. The first one came in during the
period you were off the air oh
and the second one came in i guess about a week after you'd gone on the air
uh... those were trying times Yeah, I figured that you were probably a little bit preoccupied and probably didn't get around to reading all your faxes.
Uh, listen, it was like a siege.
So all I can say is please send it again.
Okay, I gave you my email address and you could correspond with me that way if you like.
I could if I had it, so I'm saying send them again.
Alright, no problem.
Alright, thank you very much and take care.
Also heard on an airliner, after a real crusher of a landing in Phoenix, the flight attendant came on with, Ladies and gentlemen, please remain in your seats until Captain Crash and the crew have brought the aircraft to a screeching halt up against the gate.
And once the tire smoke has cleared and the warning bells are silenced, we'll open the door and you can pick your way through the wreckage to the terminal.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hey, Art.
This is Chip from Austin, Texas.
Yes, sir.
I was inspired by a little Art Bell rap that some guy sent to you, and I wanted to see if I could get your address so I could send you a CD I made for you.
Sure.
Are you ready to copy?
Yeah, I sure am.
Art Bell, P.O.
Box 4755.
Alrighty.
In Pahrump, Nevada.
Okay.
P-A-H-R-U-M-P?
I'll be damned.
All right.
Zip code is 89041-4755.
All right.
Thanks a lot, Art.
I appreciate it.
You're welcome.
All right.
Take it easy.
Take care.
Or this.
Part of a flight attendant's arrival announcement.
We'd like to thank you folks for flying with us today, and the next time you get The insane urge to go blasting through the skies in a pressurized metal tube.
We hope you'll think of us here at U.S.
Airways.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Uh, now you're on the air.
Hello?
Hello!
Hello.
Is this our bell?
Good guess.
I'm the only one here.
It could only be me.
I can't believe I've got you.
Well, you do.
Now what?
I'm thrilled!
Now what do I do?
Well, that's my question.
Now what are you going to do?
It is your responsibility, having called me and getting on the air, to do something.
Okay.
Well, I'm stunned.
I've been trying to get on for four months.
Four months?
Yes.
Here you are.
Well, this is Terry from Garwood, Idaho.
Garwood, Idaho.
And I've been listening to your program for about six months.
Actually, I think you're the first call ever from Garwood.
Well, it's near Coeur d'Alene or Hayden Lake.
Right.
I just wanted you to know that I've read your book.
I subscribe to After the Dark and Earth Changes.
And I loved Mr. Walsh on tonight.
And my question is, was Richard Hoagland supposed to be coming on?
He was on... I think I had Richard on last night, the first hour of the show.
Last night?
Okay, well, I heard a rumor that there might be something about landing... It's all over the place.
The rumor is everywhere.
December 6th or 7th in Arizona.
I heard Gulf Coast.
No, Arizona.
OK.
So I don't know what to tell you.
It is one of the latest rumors.
It's one of those things.
It gets started.
You don't know how it gets started, but it does.
It runs on its own accord.
OK.
But on the other hand, maybe something will come down.
Yeah.
Wouldn't that be cool?
Yeah.
Well, as I say, you're instrumental in my getting a computer.
I finally drove you crazy, huh?
Yes, I couldn't stand going to the library anymore.
Saying you've got to see this or that?
Yes.
I love your pictures and I have you on sound as well.
Well, cross your fingers, knock on wood, we should have streaming videos soon.
So in other words, you can actually see me like on television.
Oh!
That would be neat.
That would be neat.
But I'm not supposed to talk about it, so.
Okay.
Well, I was just thrilled to get on.
That's all I had to say.
All right.
Glad to have you take care.
So shocked to get on that she doesn't know what to say.
Southwest Airlines has a policy against boring announcements.
Good for them.
During a flight from Sacramento to Las Vegas, the safety lecture was, If there is a loss of cabin pressure, oxygen masks will drop from the overhead area.
The bags will not fill with life-giving oxygen until each of you has paid each of us five dollars.
Well, to the Rockies, you're on air.
Hello?
Hello!
Oh, Art!
Oh, gosh!
Okay, well, happy early Thanksgiving.
Uh, thank you.
Listen to you all the time.
This is Sue from Anchorage.
Yes.
And just about your caller, I just had a few comments.
I mean, your speaker tonight.
Yes.
He and I kind of have taken opposite spiritual paths.
I was raised in a New Age church with reincarnation.
You've been having conversations with the devil?
Excuse me?
You've been having conversations with the devil?
I did when I was younger.
Really?
I thought they were with angels, but learned to my dismay that they weren't.
That propelled me into becoming a Christian.
One of the main things that really bothers me is this whole notion of evil and understanding people like Hitler.
I just feel like the Bible is so clear.
That evil is never God's will.
To me, it's very scary promoting a philosophical worldview that allows for that, as having some purpose.
God can bring good out of the evil that we do.
Well, I tend to agree with you, but I thought that his presentation was sufficiently well thought out to present and let people think about.
It's thought-provoking, and the other thing I just want to say is Anytime you hear something like that, I feel like you need to compare, listen to everything, sift through everything.
But to me, the best point of reference is Jesus Christ, I've found.
I tend to weigh things that I hear from other people and look at what Jesus said.
I just tend to think Jesus knows a whole lot more than I do or anybody else does.
One of the things is that Jesus He mentions hell and scripture many more times than he does heaven.
What about all the people, though, that believe in Buddhism?
Yeah.
What about them?
What do you mean?
Can there be but one path?
I don't think so.
I think that those who live a proper life, whether it's guided by Buddhism, Catholicism, Christianity in general, Whatever it is, there are many paths.
I just have to believe that.
That's how I was raised, Art.
But you know, Jesus does make these exclusive claims and he does say he knows that that will be a stumbling block to people because he says he is the way, the truth, and the way to heaven.
I know.
But as far as hell goes, I think even my husband has done clinical work in jails.
He's a pastor.
It's part of his pastoral training.
And he has read books and met psychologists in jails who are not religious at all, who aren't Christians, but they do believe in demons.
They do believe in satanic possession because there's no other way to account for what they encounter in the prison system, in inmates.
I think that Jesus is really clear on the fact that there is a real devil, there are demons, just as there are angels.
And hell is the place created for those beings.
And the reason Jesus talked about it so much is because he doesn't want anybody to go there.
All right.
I very much appreciate your call.
Thank you.
But again, I take a non-sectarian view, I guess, of the whole thing.
Really, I guess you could classify me as in search of.
And I have not had the candle or the bulb of enlightenment suddenly get bright for me.
I am still very much in search of.
And so I continue to present very divergent points of view.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Testing 1, 2, 3, 4.
Are you there?
Yeah, I'm sorry.
I guess I'm hearing a recorded program on my radio.
No, you're not.
You're hearing a delay, so that if you say a bad word, I can push a button and erase it.
I thought you were bright enough for that, for sure.
That's why I tell everybody, turn your radio down.
Okay, for Maladies first, I'm Bill, and I'm calling you from the L.A.
area market.
I'll dial you in 790KC on KABC.
Yes, sir.
And, gosh, I feel I'm really fortunate because not only did I get through busy to the ring and then get picked up, but for some reason tonight, every attempt to call you, the traffic considerations out of L.A.
may be such that I get cut off after about maybe six or eight rings.
No, it's pretty much, oh, after six or eight rings?
Right.
You get cut off with a P-133 message, which I'd have to be a phone person to understand, It sounds like some kind of a computer traffic consideration.
That's NSA.
That's not the reason I called and what I wanted to tell you.
First of all, I don't have any credentials to invoke authority, and I don't have anything else that I could offer to lend more credence to it.
It might sound like flattery, but personally, after having spent 40 of my 50 years, I could say, in my self-indulgent search and journey through the extraordinary, I've never before encountered somebody that did what you do in such an appreciative way, and also I can admire the way you do it, even when I personally don't find significant information to be obtained from your guests.
That to me is what, after having dialed you in maybe twice before, mainly to just satisfy a commitment to a friend who insists, you've got to hear this guy, you've got to listen, Which is just one of the many things I try to avoid in order to get other information.
I listen long enough to get past the point of hearing just all I needed.
Anything can dip below your immediate threshold of interest long enough to satisfy you and denying yourself to hear it and expose yourself to it.
But afterwards I was very much impressed because you do something that I think is more worthwhile than a lot of people that claim to have something.
Definite and of value and turn that into a really commercial enterprise.
I do not deny you your ability to make money out of this deal, but I think that you would be doing anything you did with the same method.
That's why I was trying to call earlier.
Make no mistake, this is a commercial enterprise.
However, long ago, I made more money than I need, so I'm not doing that.
I'm doing that.
I do what I do now because I love doing what I'm doing.
Great, and that comes through.
That really does.
That's the truth.
I would just be acknowledging the obvious to you to continue with flattery and compliments, etc., etc., although I could justify many that I could say with examples that you've offered me and just like seven or eight shows that I've been listening to consistently.
Well, as you can see, there's no particular pattern to what I do.
There is.
The one that you may not even be aware that you're imposing just by virtue of the qualities that you have that I was talking about.
Well, that might be true.
I can't expect that to have any meaning from a stranger's voice on the phone.
You know what I'm saying?
Yes.
So, rather than do that, I'd rather try to make up for the fact that I made two previous unsuccessful attempts to speak with your audience.
And with one exception, I need to speak with one of your guests, and with one exception, your audience, which I think it speaks very well of, not only answered my questions by asking them for me and getting an answer, but offered even more as I was sitting there listening.
With one exception, and that is, tonight I would have liked to have spoken with your last guest, Mr. Walsh.
I believe it wrote the book, Conversations with God.
Yes.
I don't want to, you know, diminish Any of the success that he may have from that, and I don't offer him anything but congratulations on his being temporarily ahead of the race of many others who are attempting to, you know, get the public's attention.
Listen, on that note, I'm out of time.
You get the honors.
Tell everybody goodnight.
Everybody, goodnight.
That's it.
We've got to go, folks.
Sorry, we're out of time.
Clock rules.
And I don't.
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