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Nov. 23, 1998 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Richard C. Hoagland - Pegasi Hoax
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This is Toast to Toast AM, and I'm Art Bell.
In a moment, we are going to get a brief update on a few things, like the Leonid Meteor Shower, and something a little, actually several strange things about the Leonids this year.
Richard C. Hoagland will have that.
An update on the Pegasus folks, question mark, tied in with what people are talking about to be some sort of landing on December 6th or 7th.
I don't know, it's all very confusing to me.
Maybe Richard will be able to straighten us out.
And then in the next hour, Howard Weinstein, I think that's the way I should pronounce it, we'll find out.
Howard was on board the submarine, served on board the submarine, commanded by J. A. Patton, who was the technical advisor to the hunt for Red October.
So we're going to hear about what it's really like on the subs, because he was there.
That will be tonight.
I'll kind of give you a rundown in a while on what's coming the rest of the week.
It's going to be a big week this week.
Stay right where you are.
No longer in the Albuquerque area, nor even New Mexico.
Richard Hoagland is in the Seattle area, and he has an update for us on quite a number of items.
Richard, welcome to the program.
That's right, we are for a change, aren't we?
By the way, my snuffed candle award arrived.
A beautiful, beautiful plex signed by Steve Allen.
It's up on the wall and I scanned it and put it up on the web, so it's there now.
I'll go right after the show.
You've got a lot more interesting things up there, I know.
There's some very peculiar things going on, starting with the Leonids.
They were early.
You know, Comets and meteors and planets and all that are almost as reliable as, you know, death and taxes.
Those are like clocks, right?
Exactly.
And the Leonids are particularly reliable because they were discovered in, kind of, not discovered, but recognized in 1865-1866, oddly enough, by an Italian astronomer, Giovanni Virginio Schiaparelli, who coincidentally discovered the canals on Mars.
Which is a piece of trivia that doesn't make any sense to anybody unless you're following this very closely.
Why do they call them the Leonids?
Because they come out of the constellation of Leo.
But he was the one who identified the Leonids in their orbit.
You'd think he'd get his name attached to it.
Yes, you would.
Anyway, the peculiar thing is that we arrived 19 and a half hours, give or take a few, Early at the place where the densest part of the Leonid stream was going to be.
And this is a meteor shower, a meteor storm, a concentration of tiny particles left in the wake of Temple Tuttle, the comet that flew by this part of its orbit in February.
Um, just a few months after the comet, and this stuff is extremely well tracked.
NASA flew a whole bunch of expensive airplanes out to the Okinawa area.
Over in the far Pacific, over by Okinawa.
Because they thought that's where the best show would be.
That's right.
And the actual show occurred over Israel, you know, halfway around the planet, nineteen and a half hours early.
And this is bizarre because I was talking last night at dinner with Tom Van Planderen, who happens to be here in Seattle at the same time, and as one of the world's acknowledged experts in celestial mechanics, he thought it was peculiar and could not understand what had gone wrong.
Now, you know that on your show from time to time I have made some predictions.
You have, yes.
And there are people who are willing to put me up on a cross with nails and all that stuff for being wrong.
Like it's a big sin to be wrong.
The sin is to be wrong more than you're right.
Well, here we have the agency, the space agency, which I believe a couple nights ago Linda did an interview with Don Yeomans from JPL.
She did, and he was debunking the statement made by the Thai astronomer who said that in 2097 or something the comet would hit.
That's right.
Hit Earth, yes.
And Yeomans with great confidence and aplomb and, you know, the full weight of NASA behind him said, oh no, it's going to be 350 million miles away on the other side of the sun.
Look guys, if within a space of a couple of days you can't predict when we're going to cross the comet by 19 plus hours, how the heck can you know where it's going to be in 100 years?
Beats the hell out of me!
Now there's an interesting twist, because you remember that Tom Bearden and I did a show back when the NORAD memo came to light?
Oh yes!
That we were going to have a 20% casualty rate, and on the show that night, this was about a couple of months ago, I said, given these hyper-dimensional black technologies, technologies which literally could reach out and create synthetic gravity, what we really ought to do is to get the guys in these ops programs to basically create hyper-dimensional snowplows and basically burrow a furrow through the Leonid so the Earth could pass through relatively unscathed.
Remember we saying that?
Yes.
Well, you know what happens when you create synthetic gravity?
You move things around.
And you move things closer.
So, on the face of it, unintended, the fact that we arrived where the comet debris was not supposed to be 19 plus hours earlier, would look as if maybe somebody moved those particles in such a way that they arrived early, but there were fewer of them than were expected.
Well, either that or the calculations were wrong.
Well, but the calculations can't be wrong.
Remember the great Star Trek, the last one of the series, where Spock is holding the canister, and he said, by all the laws of physics I know, it has to work?
Yes.
And it didn't?
Yes.
Well, when something is reliable with celestial mechanics, on a cometary stream that's been around for literally a hundred plus years, does not fit the calculation by almost an entire day, there is something radically and wonderfully wrong.
Which takes us to the second anomaly.
If you go to our website, EnterpriseMission.com, you will see a posting there of an anomalous moving object.
It is odd.
Which was grabbed from the video, you know, I use Snappy 2, it's an excellent toy.
We grabbed four frames from the video that was recorded on the aircraft, one of the two aircraft that NASA was flying in a racetrack formation over Okinawa.
Right.
And on the night of the 18th, the morning of the 18th actually, over there, At about four hours and a few minutes, they recorded in a few seconds an incredibly interesting mystery.
Because you have this boar-sighted video camera aimed out the top of the airplane through a telescope, and at stage left, you see this little dot appear, and it moves slowly toward the right.
When it gets to the center of the frame, a Leonid flashes from about the one o'clock position down toward the eight o'clock position.
Right.
And as you know from looking at the stills, It crosses exactly dead center over this object, as the object is very close to the exact center of the frame.
And that's the one piece of video that NASA, in all its majesty, chose to release to the world from their Leonid watch.
And you caught it, and you've got a sequence of frames showing what is I don't know what else you'd call it.
A UFO?
Well, the reason it's weird is because, A, it's moving in a weird direction compared to satellites.
You know that from where the Leonids were coming from that night.
Sure, sure.
Two, they were aimed directly at it.
I mean, the odds on pointing a camera toward the sky... Remember the night we did our live Leonid show?
Yes.
I was twirling around like some ballet dancer because these things were all over the sky.
So the idea that you would have a camera focused in the right position in the right direction for the obby to reach the center of that frame and then you get your shot.
And this Percy, or this Leonid, slashes through an object in space while you're watching.
Odds of that easily, 19 and a half million to one.
Precisely.
So, what's going on?
So, I don't know.
Everybody should go up and take a look, and you tell us.
It's all laid out for you on Richard's website at enterprise.com.
So go look.
Tell me what you think.
And then, we don't have a lot of time, so Pegasus, Pegasus, hoax?
Well, we've had a few strange developments.
Mike, what's going on?
Alright, latest development is there's been no further confirmation of the signal.
We had, as you know, someone who faxed you, who was offering us a major antenna, and it turned out they got cold feet.
Now, whether they, you know, got talked to, or whether they decided that they didn't want to get involved in controversy, or whether they were just, you know, pulling our leg, we don't know.
In the interim, however, we've had two ground reports that are pretty intriguing.
The Skywatch people, which is a UFO organization which Bill Hamilton and others are members of, have a UK division, United Kingdom, Britain.
Their director, over the weekend, put on the internet a report that they had a source in the Pentagon claiming that there is a hostile object coming from the direction of the constellation of Pegasus due to arrive on December 6th.
A source inside the Pentagon.
Yep. Now...
Now, Peter Gersten for some time has been making postings about an object
like you're talking about right now.
And I found it very unusual for Peter, who's usually very cautious to be doing this.
He's also been talking about this landing.
December 6th or 7th?
Well, this is the event in Arizona that our source, months and months ago, tried to get us to pay attention to.
I connected with the so-called signal.
So how is everybody all of a sudden on to this?
What's going on?
My gut feeling, Art, is that something big is going to go down.
And that someone's been trying to give us a heads up.
The way the rank and file are kind of organizing against this is that there's a lot of people taking pot shots at you and me and Gersten and others for simply staying on the story.
And then there are other folks that are getting, quote, corroboration, where politically it would be suicide for them to raise their head and get fired at.
They have now stuck their, you know, oar in the water and their cards in the deck and appear to be waiting with the rest of us to see what happens.
We had one report this afternoon of military activity around the designated landing site.
The so-called landing site that my Pentagon source gave to me several days ago.
How reliable do you consider this source to be?
Given the previous track record, it's not bad.
In other words, I haven't caught him in an outright lie or disinformation.
And one of the cute tricks of this was that initially he tried to tell me that this, quote, landing would take place in Mountain View.
That turns out to be the intelligence community's idea of an inside pun.
Because, of course, what is in Mountain View is the SETI Institute.
And Seth Shostak.
And, of course, the tip-off, the connecting the dots, came now because of the EQPEG signal, which was originally picked up by Seth down at Arecibo.
You've got to admit, though, there would be If the first craft to land on Earth actually did come down in Mountain View.
Well, that or the White House lawn.
Yeah, right.
Anyway, my point is that these folks have a weird sense of humor.
You don't go into intelligence unless you frankly love to play games.
So you have to kind of learn how to play with the game, but that doesn't mean the data is unreliable.
It merely means it has to be filtered carefully and has to be cross-checked.
I have not said, nor am I going to say tonight, that there will be a landing on December 7th.
I'm telling us, telling everyone, that there is a source claiming this event, and we will report, as developments warrant, if in fact that occurs.
Well, I'm trying to trace even where this all came from, your Pentagon source, but even before that, you were talking about December 7th.
I began to see messages from Peter Gersten on the Internet about December 7th, and I can't quite Figure the genesis of this.
Well, the genesis...
Call the wild card lines, area 702-727-1295.
Back in the spring, at the time that the president, President Clinton and Golden were gathered in Houston
for ostensibly a space station conference.
Oh yes, I recall that.
And they were looking at Mars pictures.
Now, I can't prove that, I can't show you a document, but the timing was just too incredibly cute.
They were looking at the feed from Mars Surveyor before they got to JPL.
Well, December 7th, of course, would be a very auspicious day
because it's the anniversary of Pearl Harbor and all this.
Everybody's got Independence Day fresh in their mind.
But it's also on this ritual Egyptian calendar that NASA's been acting under.
It's a calendar date.
It's a 19.5 ritual Egyptian calendar date, which is why we pegged it.
Then we get reversals on Cohen saying, NASA, bring in NASA with December 7th.
And we're just waiting.
What will go down, I haven't a clue, except I think it's going to be something interesting, something significant, nothing behind it.
Would this be, do you think this would be like Close Encounters of the Third Kind, where the general public wouldn't have any idea that anything is going to go on, that the government would somehow know there was going to be a landing, know where that landing was going to be, and like in Close Encounters, would set up this Elaborate reception point.
According to the source, that's what they had planned.
But the source tipped us so we could tip you so you could tip the country.
And now, of course, all bets are off.
Oh, well, if it happens, you'll turn out to be a hero for predicting it, that's for sure.
If it doesn't happen, it'll be one more thing I have been wrong about.
Look, Art, there's no sin in being wrong.
Oh, I know, Richard.
The sin is not to venture, not to dare, not to project, not to use the best data and the best process you have to tell it like it is when you think it is.
You can't be afraid to tell it like it is.
All right, listen, my friend.
Is there anything else I can do for you?
Watch the skies.
Does it?
All right.
I'll do that.
Richard, have a good time in Seattle.
Thank you.
It's a little windy tonight.
Please say, a little windy.
It's 60 mile an hour gusts.
Yeah, I was forecasting 60 miles an hour, 80 mile an hour occasional gusts recorded.
So, a little windy.
Stay inside.
I'm staying inside in front of a nice warm fire.
All right, Richard, take care.
That's Richard C. Hoagland with a quick report from Washington state of, up in the Seattle area, where yes, I understand they're having absolutely tremendous winds.
Well, you cannot be afraid to report things.
I'm not afraid to report things, and I constantly get messages from people.
You know, to say things like, Oh, Art, you better be careful.
You better not let Dr. Reed come on and tell a story like that.
Your credibility is in danger.
Oh, no, it's not.
I will let anybody tell their story.
I'm surprised that the majority of my audience has not yet figured that out.
Well, actually, the majority has.
The minority, and frequently those who don't listen, haven't figured it out yet.
I don't warranty anything that goes on the air as being true.
I am not an investigative agency, nor do I employ one.
I do talk radio and the kind of talk radio I do is many times open to your judgment as an adult.
You can listen and you can decide for yourself what is worthy and what is not worthy.
You can make up your own mind as an adult whether what you're hearing is true or false or fun or not fun or boring or exciting or whatever.
I will continue To provide this kind of information, come what may, some will turn out well, some will be true, and some will not.
Tomorrow night, by the way, Zachariah Sitchin is going to be here, and we're going to follow that up with Benjamin Crimm, who is going to talk a little bit about UFOs.
Tomorrow night, UFOs.
A lot of interesting programs, as a matter of fact, lined up for you.
Wednesday night, Thursday, Dr. Alan Vaughn, who now claims to be the most accurate prophet in the world.
And then, Thursday night, Friday, it's Father Charles L. Moore.
I said Father Charles L. Moore.
I'll tell you more about that one.
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Actually, they clocked in Washington 80 miles an hour earlier today.
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So it's going to be very interesting to see where she goes from here.
Defense Secretary William Cohen said the U.S.
has enough firepower in the Persian Gulf.
Should force be needed in yet the latest dispute with Iraq over weapons documents?
This is so tiresome.
So, so tiresome.
We ratchet up, we rattle swords, we get ready, the planes sometimes even get in the air!
And then we recall them.
Eventually we are going to have to deal with Saddam.
To me, it begins to feel a little bit like Vietnam, although the number of casualties has not obviously been comparable, nor even serious, though one life is serious.
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A Virginia County's effort to block internet pornography from computers, a library there, in public libraries, fell today.
A federal judge ruled that they may not put in filtering.
They may not filter anything.
They gotta let it all come through so you can go to the public library and you can see the triple X hardcore stuff.
Now, of course they can take the internet out of the library, but they cannot tamper about the First Amendment.
Listen, there is something strange going on on our sun right now.
We may have a very interesting magnetic storm yet another on the way.
In about three days, we have had four X-class flares on the sun.
I said four X-class flares.
Now, That is incredible.
I mean, even for a very active sun cycle, four X-class flares in about three days, well, that's pushing the envelope a little bit.
And then this.
Art, I was just speaking to my brother, Steve, in Phoenix, and he tells me there's been a lot of television coverage of the recent surge of UFO sightings in the area.
Again, Phoenix.
Ta-da!
Recently, an elementary school had a UFO sighting during the day near the school.
It was seen by teachers and school children alike.
Photos were taken and Channel 12 apparently aired them or will air them tonight.
Can you dig anything up on this?
Well, of course.
I can ask my audience.
Hey audience, what's going What's this about a landing? Sixth or seventh landing of
what?
Something hostile?
Why is it always Phoenix?
Good Lord, Phoenix!
Anyway, to the phones we go.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air. Good morning.
Hi, just one moment, I'll turn down my radio.
Oh, good for you.
So I was thinking, what you had Joe Nickell on the other day.
Yes.
Uh, where are you, by the way?
Oh, um, from Pittsburgh.
Pittsburgh.
Um, great.
Uh, yes, I had Joe Nickel on, uh, Dr. Nickelbackley.
Right, Dr. Joe Nickel, right.
And, uh, today, the much-awaited Snuffed Candle Award actually arrived.
Right.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
My, uh, comment on that show was, doesn't it seem weird to you?
I don't know how you picked him, like, was it out of a hat or whatnot, but... I didn't pick him.
Okay, so that makes it even more so.
It seems to me really strange that, of the people to come on to your show, they would pick to send somebody who would never even listen to your show.
I thought it strange myself.
I mean, it was kind of embarrassing for him, I think.
Well, yes, in a way.
I mean, here, obviously, he's coming on my program to, at least in part, talk about the reason they gave me the supposed derogatory award.
And so you would think, wouldn't you?
And I said it to him on that night.
How could you not listen to my program and yet come on here defending the giving of this award to me?
I think you did a really good job of defending your show, but it was kind of a moot point when he really couldn't defend the award.
I have nothing to say.
You're absolutely correct.
I thought maybe, you know, if you had picked him, maybe you just didn't, like, know, but I mean, if they... Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
Listen, I... What I did, so that you and everybody else might know, the fellow who contacted me and said, guess what, Art, we're giving you this award from Psycop, is the same fellow that I called when I said, OK, you guys want to have somebody on.
And he said, OK, let me find the right person, the best person to be on.
And so they came up with him, not me.
Yeah.
Oh, I think you did a really good job.
Appreciate it, sir.
All right.
Have a nice day.
Take care.
The show is so easy to defend because it is no single thing.
And I don't warranty any of what you hear to be true.
I allow people to do what other talk shows don't.
I allow them to tell Their stories.
Whatever they may be.
And I assume that you are adults.
Now, not all of you are, and we all know what happens when you assume.
But I nevertheless do it.
I try not to do your thinking for you.
I present whatever it is, and allow you to digest it, ruminate about it, and decide for yourself.
That is what this program is all about.
By the way, there's going to be a lot of that going on this week.
I told you, let me run through it a little bit for you.
Tonight, a man who was on the boat that had the captain that was the tech advisor for Hunt for Red October.
That should be rather interesting.
Tomorrow night, in the first hour, Zachariah Sitchin is going to be here.
You should know about Zachariah Sitchin.
I think you do know about Zachariah Sitchin, don't you?
That'll be followed with Benjamin Crimm.
Now, Benjamin was here last time talking about Maitreya.
This time, he's got something to say about UFOs.
Should be rather interesting.
It may relate to Zachariah Sitchin.
The following night, I have a very interesting program coming on.
He bills himself as the world's most successful predictor, prophet if you will,
and somebody who actually teaches prophecy to others.
Dr. Alan Vaughn.
That's Dr. Alan Vaughn.
Then let me see, what else have I got coming up here?
Let me continue to turn the pages for you, so you know what's going on.
This is for people who are not on the net, because if you're on the net, you can go to my website
and see the bookings up there.
Oh, yes.
Thursday night, Friday morning, Father Charles L. Moore.
And you know who suggested that I have Father Moore on?
Catholic priest?
None other than Zachariah Sitchin.
Zachariah called me earlier today and said, Art, you've got to talk to this priest.
He's read my books, and he teaches, he preaches, based to some degree on my books.
And so we're going to have him on.
That's hard to believe, but we'll find out.
And then, by the way, next Friday night, Saturday morning, December 4th, Gary North is going to be here.
It's been long enough.
We are due, more than due, for an update.
Do you know, I've been seeing messages saying the new, some of the new 450 megahertz home computers are not Y2K compliant?
That's amazing!
The new 450s?
Really?
Actually, it's not the chip, but the motherboard.
That's very worrisome.
I saw some messages about that tonight.
Maybe not all of them, but some of them.
Call toll-free 1-800-618-8255.
From El Cajon, California.
Okay, we're gonna have to do it all over again.
No problem.
As you well know, there is a terribly big prohibition against last names, so we'll just say it's Greg from El Cajon.
Yes, sir.
Okay?
Yes.
Hi, this is Greg from El Cajon, California.
Got it.
How are you doing, sir?
Fine.
Good.
Just wanted to comment on the show you had last week with Dr. Reed.
Oh, yes.
I was on it, actually.
I asked him a question.
Right.
And I just wanted to thank you.
Like you said, I know you come under a lot of criticism at times.
Yeah, I do.
I know you do.
I know you don't.
I just wanted to say thank you for that forum.
I think that was one of the most intriguing shows that you've had.
So do I. I mean, you can imagine it's true.
It's a complete hoax, albeit a very elaborate one.
You can imagine a lot of things, but It was absolutely riveting and you can't rule out the fact that it was absolutely genuine.
And that scream from the freezer that the alien had made, it reminded me of the freezer.
I hated the freezers.
I had the shivers just like you did.
I had one more question for you.
I listened to your show and tried to get through on Friday when you had the Reverend from the Church of Satan on.
I had to remind myself too.
This is just art.
He's doing a forum.
You know, I can't get upset about it, but like you said, it irritated me at times.
Well, I mean, look at me.
See, there I was then.
This week, I'm back with a Catholic priest.
There you go.
So, it's just the way it is.
Now, the reason that man was so irritating, I take it you're Christian.
You know, Arda, I am, but I don't practice, I don't go to church, but I do believe in a higher being.
Yes.
Okay.
I think what happened was, because this guy wasn't like Harlot, who was a real devil worshipping, I'm taking my son down to hell with me kind of Satanist.
Because this guy was almost pompous about his beliefs.
That's what I was saying to my wife.
Arrogant, arrogant about his beliefs.
Yes.
And because he wasn't like Harlot, to a lot of Christians they got very, very angry.
Because what they wanted was a real fire-breathing Satanist who would confirm their opposite belief and they
didn't get that they got more of a humanist. Oh, I agree So it's very intriguing sure my last question for mr. Bell
What kind of?
Response did you get by email or by fax on that interview that you had on Friday night?
It was terrible.
Oh, let me tell you.
It ranged from, yeah, he was the real thing and he was real scary.
Yes.
I'm so damn angry at you.
I may never listen to you.
I certainly will never talk to you again.
So that's what I know.
I'm doing okay.
I mean, I just I I'll be all over the place with this program and inevitably The worst thing that can happen is nothing.
That's right.
But as long as you're in there, I like to stir, you know, stir the pot.
Sure.
And when you get lots of anger and lots of happiness, you know you're stirring correctly.
Oh, and you're doing very well.
Thank you.
And I hope to talk to you soon, Mr. Bell.
Take care.
Bye-bye.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Top of the morning to you.
And good morning to you.
OK, you're going to have to yell at us.
You're not too loud.
OK.
That's better.
This is Joe from Charlotte, North Carolina.
Hi, Joe.
Only the second time I've been on in two years, and I can't believe I actually did it.
WBT in Charlotte.
Exactly.
I was the one that called about the solar activity stuff last year, if you remember.
Oh, well then you called at a good time, because we sure are rockin' and rollin' right now.
Oh yeah, solar index high and the major flare at 0644 UTC on 23 November.
Yeah, there have been four X-class flares.
Now that's getting pretty serious, the last few days.
Oh yeah, don't you know it.
I had a question about Dr. Reed, actually.
Alright.
My question is, he's talking about he's wanting to get the truth out and everything, wanting to get the information out for everybody to view and everything.
My question is, what is taking so long with the videos and everything, getting that out?
Well, he hasn't even said he's going to release the video.
He never said that.
He said he might.
He just sent me the video for my information.
Well, uh, well, I heard that, uh, well, I thought he had said that he was going to release it.
He may.
I've not heard yet that he will.
You know, that takes time.
Mm-hmm.
I was just wondering what exactly was the delay on that, if he's really wanting to get this out.
Oh, are you kidding?
You've got to go, you've got to go to a professional person.
They dub it off professionally.
Then they make copies.
Then it's got to be packaged.
Then you've got to get, you know, there's a whole lot of stuff you've got to go through to do that.
I see.
Well, I guess, uh, I guess it wasn't, but, you know, I just didn't know what exactly was causing the big problem with getting it out, if you really want to know.
No, there is no big problem.
I'm sure he'll get it out eventually, but I would, I would venture to say it'll be months.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Um, one other thing, I'd just like to let everybody know, I did, uh, order the Beijing radio.
Oh, yes!
With the light.
I haven't gotten it yet, but, uh, Just so that everybody knows, that $149.95, it actually does include the shipping.
That's right.
That's correct.
I was very... I like that because... Well, you know, it'll be good to have there in North Carolina for the next hurricane season.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
All right, Gunnar Ronsrud, thank you very much.
When we come back, We're going to be talking about submarines with somebody who spent a lot of time in submarines.
Actually, the sub commanded by the man who was a technical advisor for the hunt for Red October, Howard Weinstein.
It should be very interesting.
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