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Nov. 9, 1998 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Richard C. Hoagland - EQ Pegasi Signal
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Now, in the next hour, I'm going to have Jeffrey Mishlove on.
Jeffrey Mishlove, a doctor actually, PhD, is director of something called the Intuition Network, and he is a remarkable man.
He's author of the classic Roots of Consciousness, He investigated, he's got a new book called The X Factor, Confronting the Unbelievable.
And he investigated a man named Ted Owens.
And Ted Owens is somebody you're going to want to hear about because Ted Owens didn't just predict things, Ted Owens caused them to happen.
And that's what we're going to talk to Mr. Mishloff about.
I'm going to update you shortly on the Pegasus story because it is not over.
Yet.
There's more to go.
And Richard Hoagland has it.
And I know that a lot of you want updates.
You want to know what's going on.
Now, as you know, I am about to be the recipient this week, at the end of this week, on Friday the 13th.
Very auspicious day to give me this award.
And I am accepting it in this light.
I'm accepting this as a badge of honor.
It is from Psycop and the Skeptical Inquirer.
And they're giving it to me in hopes that they will... I don't know what they're giving it to me for.
They're giving it to me Magazine editors say they're giving Bell a less than prestigious award for encouraging credulity, presenting pseudoscience as genuine, and contributing to the public's lack of understanding of the methods of scientific inquiry.
The story will be Friday the 13th.
Won't be lucky day for Art Bell.
Well, I say it is lucky for me.
I would like to note something, though.
In my snuffed candle award, They list Carl Sagan as an active member now.
I wonder what it is that Psycop and the Skeptical Inquirer are doing to continue to consult with Carl, because actually Carl has been, bless his heart, dispersing his billions and billions of tiny atomic particles to the daisies for quite a while now, so unless they have some sort of communication going that I'm not aware of, the people at Psycop and the Skeptical Inquirer, Maybe... You don't suppose they... You don't suppose they sneak into the... Into, uh... Some sort of, uh... A strange... Secret session with a psychic... And still consult with Carl and let him vote to you.
Oh, well.
Friday's the big day, folks.
The Snarled Candle Award is going to be mine.
All mine.
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Standard news.
Gingrich says he quit for GOP unity.
Did it for the party.
Said tonight he decided to retire rather than fight for a new term last week because his presence would be, quote, an excuse for divisiveness and factionalism among Republicans.
Really?
I thought there was no such thing among Republicans.
Churches get anthrax threats.
So this mess continues.
Indianapolis.
Letters claiming to contain anthrax were sent today to a Catholic parish in Indianapolis, a church in suburban Buffalo, New York, and a Chicago office of an anti-abortion group.
The contents of the letters were under investigation, so this seems to be a new thing.
I got one, they had it in Wichita, and now all of a sudden there seems to be the latest rage.
Send somebody some powder and tell them they've just been exposed to anthrax.
Not very funny, of course, when you get such a letter.
House impeachment investigators are weighing whether to call Presidential confidant Bruce Lindsey, now that the Supreme Court has said it's okay to do that, as well as the Secret Service.
So we'll see.
In a moment, we're going to turn our attention to the Pegasus story, which is far from over.
Now, if you didn't hear it, Linda had an interesting interview on Dreamland yesterday.
I think it's... I got some email from Paul Dorr, and I have invited Paul onto the program.
He's welcome to come on and he is, as you might imagine, a bit bitter about this whole business, the use of his name, all the rest of it.
And so he's invited on the program to say whatever he would like to say, but of course it has for some time been known that Pauldor, at least the Pauldor who's in communication with me, is not the Pauldor Or he is a Pauldor.
I guess they stole his name and that would get you very angry, of course.
But there is more to report to you than meets the eye on the Pegasus question.
I got a very interesting facts just before coming on the air.
That I passed on to Richard Hoagland.
He'll tell you about it and where this story stands in a moment.
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Well, Richard Hoagland may have the Angstrom Award, but soon I'll have the Stifled Candle Award.
So I can say that when I introduce myself.
Here is Richard C. Hoagland.
Hello, Richard.
I'll see you on a stifled candle and raise you to breasts or knockers.
Why would you imagine that an organization like Psycop and the Inquirer here, Skeptical Inquirer, why would they have somebody who's already died on their active I haven't a clue.
Do you suppose they're consulting with him? If so, I think that requires some immediate explanation.
An absolute investigation. Absolutely.
Alright, look, the Pegasus story has everybody going, including Paul Dorr, who emailed me something of a blast of
an email.
And I emailed back and I said, you're welcome to... you know, air time?
It's already been well explained, Paul, that you are not the person who originated this, that somebody used your name, and so invited him on the air.
He may or may not accept, I have no idea.
Well, it gets even more curious.
I was sent a fax copy this afternoon, or some email, We should go back and forth between Mr. Doar and an unknown correspondent who is known to me.
Okay.
I sent him a series of questions.
I'm going to keep the correspondent's name private because I don't have permission to to divulge the name.
All right.
But they sent me the correspondence and I think it's actually fascinating because after they established in the first couple three questions, you know, how did you find out about this and He says that he was emailed by a friend of his who's apparently this FFTDSP42 program that he claimed that the ostensible Paul Doerr claimed he was using for the signal search caused a lot of traffic on this individual's website, a guy named Mike Cook.
So he sent Doerr, the real Doerr, an email and said, you know, is this the reason why I'm getting so much traffic?
And Doerr ignored it.
Then he got another email from somebody else and he finally responded and then realized, I guess by the sixth or so, the third, that there was something pretty weird going on.
Anyway, my correspondent emailed him with a series of questions, starting with, what were your initial thoughts?
And Dorr responds, the real Dorr, says, what the hell is going on?
Must be a mistake.
There's another Paul Dorr.
But then saw Siemens Plessy, that's the British aerospace company, mentioned and my wife's first name.
Remember Helen?
Yes.
Time to investigate.
Question two.
Do you have any thoughts on who the imposter might be?
Here's where things get really cute, Art.
Door responds, the real door.
Either some prankster, believe he is posting from shell.p3.net in the USA, Richard Hoagland backed.
Backed?
Yeah.
Well, I'm surprised.
Roar is claiming that I put this guy, this imposter, up to it.
That you did it.
In his email to a total stranger in the United States in his second question.
Now, don't you find that rather intriguing?
For someone who doesn't know anything about this.
Yes, I do.
To single me out as the instigator?
It is strange.
It is strange.
Well, it's not only strange, but it's suspicious.
I hate to use a C word, but... Oh, no, you don't.
Yes, I do.
No, you don't!
This is going to take us back to last week.
Alright, ask probably Paul right now.
Don't you find that remarkable that to a total stranger he is accusing me of being behind one of the greatest hoaxes of modern... Well, in the sense that...
Uh, he should be sensitive to false allegations.
Absolutely!
Mr. Doar, I think he's up for test a bit too much here because he himself has been in high dungeon that someone would accuse him of this without ever physically calling him.
Yeah, I would think he'd be sensitive to tossing allegations of this sort about since obviously somebody did him in, so...
You would think so.
Again, I've invited him for air time.
We'll see.
Well, that came in just a little while ago, about half an hour ago.
And I was very intrigued to find that right off the bat, he's accusing me, having never talked to me, never met me, of something pretty weird.
Anyway, we're following the trail.
Let's assume for a moment that Mr. Doerr is an innocent dupe and that he and the Japanese amateur, Mr. Oka, And perhaps the guy in Guernsey, although we don't know that for a fact, are all ringed into this.
Well, as I guess I should explain to this audience on Sunday, Linda did an interview with a Japanese ham who supposedly received this signal and he denied everything in one word responses.
Now, it was kind of a strange interview.
It was very strange.
It really was, yes, but he did deny that he was a source.
I still stand by what I said last Wednesday.
What I see here is a two-level plot.
There's that C-word again.
I see a real signal, we'll get to the latest on that in a minute, covered by a proactive action to dissuade interest by amateurs and people who are not in the official professional community, who cannot be controlled.
And the easiest and quickest way to do that is to put out the real signal under fake names that are easily discovered to be fake.
Yeah.
And then everybody says, oh, it's only a Halloween hoax, as Linda said, and everybody goes away happy that they figured it out, they found it out, and they can go back to real life.
Meanwhile, leaving the field to the professionals and the real signal and whatever is going to matriculate in the next few weeks.
Yes, I, no matter how I feel about this, Richard, I cannot rule that out.
As certainly a possibility that if you want to turn attention away from something that's beginning to get it, you set up an obvious false story, hoax, and you air the fact that it was a hoax and everybody's attention for a while turns away.
Well, we have some additional evidence in that vein.
Remember I said a couple nights ago that I was looking at the quote door letter unquote And we've got to probably find a better name for this person if it's not Poldor.
I don't think it is, but... The Prevaricator, the Impostor, the Hoaxer, whatever you want to call him.
Well, as I said to Linda on Sunday, whoever this person is who put up that Jail City site, we should find... He should be found and tortured slowly.
Oh, he shouldn't be found.
No, they're going to torture him slowly.
Alright, I haven't paid him yet.
No, I've been visiting.
You say things like that and they're going to print them as I am.
Art, I don't care.
You know, I've gotten to the point in my life where it's the truth or nothing.
I know.
I don't care what they say.
I don't care what they do.
The truth is critical.
That's why I'm proud of the Snatch Candle Award.
Because I'm to the point too where I just enjoy doing what I do and if they don't like it, who cares?
Anyway, um, we have people who are actually going to get an interview with Mr. Dorr.
Alright?
He, he, um, complains in this email to this correspondent that I haven't even tried to reach him.
Well, he hasn't been very available.
Alright?
It's been very hard to track him down.
But we're working on it, and we will get an interview, and maybe you'll get there first.
Well, I, I invited the guy.
I said, look, just email me back.
He sent me the same email that you got.
I've got the same one.
Now that, now that I know that he's accusing me of being behind this whole thing, I'm really fascinated to get some questions to Mr. Doerr, particularly because of his former connections to Lockheed Martin.
But that's a whole other story, alright?
Let me go back to what I think this all means.
If we have a hoax covering a real event, then there should be some evidence of this in that last communique, the one that was published on the web before the website was taken down.
Remember I held out the model that maybe it was a code?
Yes.
Well, I have actually now done about half of it, and it is a code.
It is a code.
In the next night or so, I will have it finished.
We'll put it on the web and then we'll go through it.
You mean the letter from the hoaxer?
The letter, the final letter from the fake Mr. Doerr.
Yes.
Is, in fact, a code.
A code.
And it's an exquisite interlocking code.
I'll show people how they can, you know, look at this themselves to check that we're not deluding ourselves.
And it's communicating some very specific information.
So we'll hold that for the next couple of nights, alright?
Alright.
In the meantime, we're prosecuting the technical search.
And we have our own team ginning up to put a dish, you know, in operation with electronics and low noise front ends and all that.
To scan the frequency in the region of the sky where we think this thing might be.
Based on the last data point, which was Australia, on November 2nd.
Yes, and all those dishes are now offline.
The big ones.
The Australian big ones.
That's right.
But before they went offline, they did, they say, detect this signal now.
And it's on our website.
Again, 30 minutes... That's right, it is.
30 minutes ahead of airtime, we got another fax, which I quickly sent to you, and we'll cover that when we get back.
How's that?
Okay, stay right there.
Richard C. Hoagland is my guest, winner of the Angstrom.
I've got the scorched candle by the end of the week.
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Soon to be winner of the famous Snorted Candle Award. I can't wait. It's like, I've never,
I've never actually received any big honor like that before.
We'll get back to Richard C. Oldland and the latest, and there is some late news on the
is his story.
Somehow or another, it just won't die.
Or maybe it's that I won't let it go until I find out what's really going on here.
I don't know.
But there's something happening.
Anyway, we'll be right back.
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All right, here once again is the winner of a real award, the Angstrom, Richard C. Hoagland.
Richard?
Yeah, but you're going to get the snooker candle.
I mean, come on.
I know, I know, and I'm going to cherish it, and I'm going to take pictures of it and put it up on the web and everything else.
I mean, really, it's quite an honor, Richard, when you think about it, when you consider, to use the old phrase, consider the source.
Anyway.
Okay, where do you want to head in here?
We've got two sets of news.
We have political news, which is pretty intriguing, and we have technical news.
Let's go with the technical, okay?
Alright, let's begin with the technical.
Just before airtime, you sent me a fax from a gentleman, we'll keep him anonymous for the moment, who apparently is a competent amateur radio astronomer.
But he does give his name for the record.
He does give his name, and we've already sent him a message.
And I have my technical people, who are about half an hour away from him, it turns out.
They're gonna physically run over there tomorrow, okay?
So we're gonna get to the bottom of this one real quick.
He has access to dishes from 6.8 meters up to 30 meters.
That's a big dish.
30 meters, you know, roughly by three, that's a 90-foot satellite dish.
Yeah, that's big.
That's as big as the big guys.
Right.
If I'm right, if this whole scam has been to dissuade amateurs from weighing in and looking because it's all a hoax, then this guy's equipment should be able to see it.
Well, he says in the second paragraph that he looked at the frequencies 1425
and side lobes and found a hard signal in the middle with no sideband.
Yes, sir.
He says the signal appears to be analog, not digital.
As you might know, analog is a spike.
Now, what was the Australian...
No, no, he was on digital, he says, is chopped at the top.
Right.
On a 2 to 10 meg sweep.
And he's exactly right.
I swept that 50 meg just to be sure.
That's what he says.
Yeah.
And so here's yet another source.
This one in the good old USA.
Yep.
And it's about half an hour from our guys.
So we're going to get them together tomorrow.
We have a very sophisticated spectrum analyzer that we have begged, borrowed and stolen from some friends of ours.
To put on this thing.
Yes.
So very shortly, Enterprise might have in concert with this individual a very good confirmation.
Now what's interesting is I just got a call from my technical person who broke in during the commercial and he said if he plots the points between this guy and the other ones going all the way back to the so-called Paul Doerr's original.
Yes.
It's a logarithmic plot.
Now what does a logarithmic plot mean?
It means it's decelerating exactly as a real probe would.
When I drop something, you know, take a coffee cup and hold it out over the floor and I let it go.
Right.
It accelerates because of gravity at 32 feet per second per second.
Right.
If you dropped it from a high enough point, it would eventually hit terminal velocity.
That's right.
Seven miles per second.
Yeah.
So if you're slowing down coming in from distant outer space, interstellar space, when you put on the brakes, Every meter per second that you cut from the velocity is an acceleration.
Right.
It's just inverted as a deceleration.
Sure, sure.
So we wouldn't get a straight line down to zero.
It should be a curve starting out shallow at first and then getting steeper and steeper and steeper until the final velocity is killed off when it arrives.
Right.
And that now with this next data point From our friend, the other night, appears to be what the curve is turning out to be.
This is getting pretty interesting.
It is getting pretty interesting.
And he goes on, he says, normally we look at 3800, but it's child's play to steer the
dishes.
I'm fairly sure the 6.8 and 30 can look at with authorization full spectrum.
We're located in a part of the San Fernando Valley that is perfect for looking at low
KW hard to find transmission.
So KW band transmission.
So, you know, this guy obviously knows what he's talking about and we'll follow up.
But that is a technical point to note for everybody.
And as far as we know, Richard, the Australian contact still stands, doesn't it?
The Australian contact stands, and what makes it so interesting is that it's out of the country.
And it was linked to Seth Shostak's website, the SETI Institute website.
Right.
There is another thing on the website which I must call your attention to.
Seth has been posting with updates every couple days.
You mean on the SETI site?
On the SETI site.
The official SETI Institute site which is housed physically at the NASA Ames Research Center in Mountain View, California, south of San Francisco.
And Dr. Seth Shostak is the director.
Yes.
They started out as an official NASA project until NASA killed the funding.
Right.
And they have now been going on private funding, and that's why they called the project Project Phoenix, because they rose from the ashes with new money, etc., etc.
Well, Seth has done something pretty strange.
He has listed me on his official chronology of this whole story.
And it's in a way that frankly is politically incorrect if you're in NASA.
Now every night when you, I come on, you make this big thing about all the pictures and the genuflection and all that, right?
You mean your portrait hanging in the halls of NASA?
Well, it's coming true.
Listen to what Seth says.
On November 4, all the web postings of the EQ data and descriptions of the claim detection were removed.
And replaced by a national security web emblem.
And as a number 5, by an inverted American flag, a UN flag, and a flag of Earth.
The initials RCH also appear on the bottom of the graphic.
Presumably a reference to Richard C. Hoagland, a scientist-slash-journalist, who maintains that the EQPEG signal announcement is a disinformation plot To hide a real detection.
Now what's wrong with this picture?
What's wrong with it is this is in the same agency which to this day will die rather than admit my work on Europa.
I know.
My work on the Pioneer 10 plaque.
My work on the hammer and feather dropped by David Scott on the moon.
My work, in other words, they have gone out of their way to try to bury me.
I know.
And suddenly, Dr. Szostak, in a very forthright, very The neutral mechanism not only lists my credential, but also the theory I am proposing, which is that this whole hoopla is a cover to mask a real event coming.
Why would he do that?
Well, maybe because Seth is a fair and reasonable person, and he is.
You know, I've interviewed him quite a number of times, and he's a very, very nice guy.
Okay.
There's another political development.
Over on the SETI League website, remember the one run by Dr. Hsu?
Oh, yes.
In New Jersey?
Oh, yes.
Which has gone into such hyperbole as this whole thing has set SETI back a hundred years.
Oh, it's probably had SETI more... He's dead wrong, and he'll figure that out after a while.
It's done SETI a lot of good.
It's called SETI to the American people's attention.
I think he's already figured it out, and this is why.
See, what bothers me, and the reason I'm getting really kind of out there, and I don't give a damn what they say, is because the Between the lines of chicanery, the lack of significant body parts is getting pretty blatant.
On the SETI League website, which took the lead in calling this whole thing from the beginning a hoax.
Remember, that was the computer that the so-called Paul Dorr broke into to put his screen dubs and ask basically for confirmation.
Remember that?
Right.
But again, I'm protecting Paul Dorr who says he's got nothing to do with this.
Oh, I said the so-called Paul Dorr.
Right.
Yeah.
Anyway, on that website tonight, there is a very important guest editorial at the top of the page.
Oh?
Titled, Do LDEs Emanate from Alien Probes?
Remember, my model is, this is a probe heading this way.
LDEs?
LDEs?
LDE is Long Delayed Echoes.
There is a phenomena in radio history.
I know all about it.
Alright, well why don't you then explain.
Well, I've actually observed this phenomenon on 75 meters, which is a very low frequency in the shortwave spectrum, 3.5 megahertz roughly, above that actually 3.8, and I'll be damned, Richard, if, you know, I run a kilowatt, so it's a fair amount of power, but I can say, hello, This has happened to me on a good dozen occasions, and let go of the mic, the pickle, as the CB ears would say, let go of the mic, and I can actually hear my hello come back to me.
Now, the physics of that, at 3.5 megahertz, you're not going around the world.
No.
Something else is happening, and nobody can quite explain what it is.
Well, it gets even worse, or better.
There are examples in the literature of LDEs, these long-delayed echoes, that literally are weeks.
Yep.
And months and years.
I've heard this.
Well, it is documented.
My friend Duncan Lunan wrote a book documenting it and it's referenced in monuments, the monuments of Mars.
Uh-huh.
Now, remember I discussed Ronald Bracewell the other night?
I do.
The Stanford scientist who was pretty neat in many areas.
Yes, sir.
His proposal was that LDEs were simply terrestrial signals that leak out through the ionosphere, alright, are picked up by an alien probe orbiting somewhere in the solar system and stored in memory.
And then spat back to us with a very significant delay to get our attention.
Well, it gets your attention.
That it was the first, well, I'm not talking just a second or two, I'm talking like days or months or years.
Even a second or two, because you sit there saying... Well, a second or two, the echo would have to come back from the moon.
Ah, that's right.
And at 3.5 MHz, there's no way.
That's reflected by the ionosphere, Richard.
There's no way.
So where are they coming from?
I have no idea.
Well, there is this paper by a guy named Chris Boyce, who has a whole website devoted to the alien probe hypothesis, which everybody should go look.
It's linked to our site, EnterpriseMission.com, or through your site, ArtBell.com.
The point is that at the top of the SETI league, who have been frying the whole door story, suddenly we have a major editorial, a scholarly, carefully crafted editorial with substantive documentation on alien probes.
Now where do you suppose they got this idea?
In other words, the underground art, the political underground behind this story is there's something there.
And it's almost like they're positioning the deck chairs so that when it is confirmed, they're on the side of the angels and don't look really, really, really silly.
In other words, they're hedging their bets.
Why are they hedging their bets?
Is there an underground in the professional community a la Australia?
That in fact, like our friend tonight with the 30 foot, you know, private dish, Well, that's quite a projection.
That's technically checkable.
I understand how you're coming up with it.
It presumes, though, that the same linear deceleration continues... No, it's not linear.
It's logarithmic.
A logarithmic.
At any rate, the same rate of deceleration continues.
Well, remember, we don't know what kind of propulsion system.
I am presuming that these guys are pretty sophisticated, and they're kind of lolling along at 4,000 miles per second, which was some numbers we calculated last week, to kind of not freak out the mainstream guys.
Mm-hmm.
Remember, the UFO crowd is used to hyperspatial warps, um, you know, ET, electrogravitic technology, UFOs that are zipping around the shuttle, all that kind of stuff.
But the mainstream crowd, who, of course, are not listening to us tonight, They are still stuck back in rockets and space shuttles, and if anybody is going to call us, they'll call us on the phone safely from several light years away.
No, you're wrong about that.
They do listen.
Okay.
Believe me, they listen.
We're making progress.
The point is that if this is staged, and we use that term very carefully, if this is a crafted approach, a first contact And we can get into later, you know, who might be behind it.
We might be behind it.
That's one of the possibilities that we ourselves, the so-called secret black technology, the black ops people who have this exquisite hyper-dimensional Tom Bearden, you know, technology that we've discussed, that they could be crafting this as a deliberate ploy for reasons currently unknown.
We have to consider that as one option.
Sure.
And that that's what's going on in terms of what happened in England.
Part of the decoding of the message is trending in that direction.
I don't want to say too much because I haven't finished it and I don't want to get out of myself.
But it will be a pretty interesting discussion when we finally get it done and up on the web.
Well, look, my attitude about this now is that I'm going to follow it until I find out who's behind it and why they did it.
In other words, I don't think this was Orson Welles after 60 years.
It's not a prank.
It's not a Halloween.
Retry.
I don't think so either.
Here's something you should hear.
I received Dear Art.
You probably have come to this conclusion by now, but just in case, here's one scenario behind the Pegasi hoax.
There's been a long-standing behind-the-scenes plan by the secret government gang to stage, I repeat, stage an alien landing.
The purpose, of course, is to have an excuse to bring about the long-planned one-world government.
This plan was coming together very nicely, with a projected landing date obviously soon, within weeks or months, and Dames was on the mark when he said the source of the Pegasus phenomena was a military base.
Since there is no real radio wave, he tuned in on the source of the information being disseminated out, which is someone in the know, within the military.
This person used his genius to fabricate a story, and used the internet and press to make it public.
Very top secret and devious plot without exposing him or herself.
Now... Well, this story, I mean, this scenario is one of the reasons why, beginning back in June, when I got my calls from my Pentagon source, I kept dismissing it.
It was just too pat.
But there's something that occurred to me tonight.
Do you know where they said the first landing was going to occur, which is why I really dismissed it?
Mountain View, California.
Mountain View?
Which is where Seth Shostak and SETI hangs out at NASA Ames.
That would be convenient.
I mean, yeah, we don't even have to walk across the street.
That's right.
So I laughed and I said, you got to be kidding.
And I really didn't want to hear it because it was so trite.
It was so cliche.
It's so, you know, New World Order stuff.
Yeah, I know.
But as we moved further down the road and the source kept persisting and gave me more specifics, And then confirm the dates that we had developed from other sources.
I began to take it more seriously and now, of course, with this EQPEG thing, I'm taking it very seriously to the point where we can test it.
We have now been given, as I said, specific lat-long of the landing and a date when convoys and vehicles and guys should show up to cordon off the area and all that.
We've done our first aerial survey and we're going to keep surveying Have you seen any movement to date?
And if we get to the date where things are supposed to happen and nothing happens, we
will report that.
Okay, well that's fair.
Have you seen any movement to date?
No.
But it's too early.
It's too early.
All right.
By the way, Richard, you have got to call the phone company and find out if they can
determine the source of this noise on your line.
Oh, someone faxed me a note the other night and said it was code.
And they wanted to know if I wanted help in decoding it.
You know, like Morse code?
Long, short, long, short?
No, it's not.
I can't hear any code there.
I just hear a sort of a... And I can't even discern... I can't even really discern the frequency.
It sounds like Below one kilohertz somewhere.
It showed up only when we started looking into this whole EQ business.
Well... And I will have them look, yes.
I'm going to get to the bottom of this.
Remember how I switched the other night to another line and it suddenly showed up there?
I do, yes.
Well, it cannot be interference then on the lines here because that line was absolutely clean before we went on the air.
So it's somewhere at the central switch.
It comes up, and I really should have been timing it.
I wonder if it comes up at a specific interval.
Somebody can run this tape back and decide for themselves.
But I believe it may come up at a specific interval.
Something's strange.
That's the other thing before we leave with this update.
If there's any professional astronomers out there, undergraduates, you know, in the control room at 3 o'clock in the morning, that really want to make history, turn the dish.
In the direction of EQ Pegasus and listen.
Do you happen to have the declination?
Yeah, it's 2331 right ascension within a few arc minutes.
And 19 degrees 56 minutes declination.
Yeah, it's 2331 right ascension within a few arc minutes and 19 degrees 56 minutes declination.
That's plus. 19.5 in declination which is angle above the surface of the equator.
So if there's anybody out there with the capability, for heaven's sakes folks, let's find out what's going on here.
Uh, 23 minutes, uh, 23 hours, uh, 31 minutes?
Yep.
Uh, right ascension, 19 minutes, uh, 19 hours, 56 minutes declination.
With any decent scope, you'll have a degree or two beam width, so if you're close to EQ Pegasi, you'll get it, because it appears to be very strong.
Very strong.
Whatever it is, it's a crescent signal.
Yep.
And our guy tonight confirmed that you're now able to pick it up on good amateur equipment, and I don't think he's part of a plot.
We'll find out.
We'll find out.
This story is interesting no matter which way it goes now, and I'm going to stay on it until I find who began all this.
Well, congratulations on your screwed candle, I mean your, um, your, your award.
No, that's good.
Actually, that's my screwed candle award.
I appreciate that, Richard.
Thank you.
And, uh, and take care.
And we'll, uh, we'll do an update as they are warranted.
But we're going to stay on this until we figure out what's going on.
Who did it?
And when we get them, we'll shove bamboo up their fingernails.
And if that doesn't work, we'll try torture.
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