Richard C. Hoagland and Art Bell dive into the EQ Pegasi Signal, a claimed interstellar transmission detected at 1425 MHz with no sideband, matching Hoagland’s model of an alien probe decelerating logarithmically. Paul Dorr’s emails—faxed to Hoagland—suggest U.S.-based pranksters (linked to shell.p3.net) may have orchestrated the hoax, hinting at ties to Siemens Plessy (British Aerospace) and a staged "alien landing" near NASA Ames Research Center. The SETI League’s shift from dismissal to speculation about Long-Delayed Echoes (LDEs) as potential alien probes raises questions of suppressed acknowledgment. Hoagland urges amateur astronomers to scan the star’s coordinates (RA: 19h56m, Dec: +19.5°), while Bell jokes darkly about "torture" for those behind the claims—underscoring the episode’s blend of fringe science and conspiracy fervor. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be.
It's great to be here, beginning a brand new week from the Hawaiian and Tahitian Islands, out west, eastward, all the way to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole and worldwide on the internet.
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Because there's something brand new coming.
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Before you can say frame rate, actually it'd be a little longer.
We are going to begin experimenting with not just single studio cam shots, but we are going to begin experimenting with streaming video.
It's a brand new technology.
And I'm really looking forward to it.
So that would mean that you could sit out there and you could actually watch me if you've got a fast enough connection at 30 frames per second, which is television, TV.
And so we are proceeding on a path to begin experimenting with that.
John Kirby up in Portland is behind it, as is Broadcast.com, and I guess Microsoft, and on and on and on.
So I'll keep you updated, but that's a comment.
Now, in the next hour, I'm going to have Jeffrey Mishlov on.
Jeffrey Mishlov, a doctor actually, PhD, is director of something called the Intuition Network.
And he is a remarkable man.
He's author of the classic Roots of Consciousness.
He investigated, he's got a new book called The X Factor, Confronting the Unbelievable.
And he investigated a man named Ted Owens.
And Ted Owens is somebody you're going to want to hear about because Ted Owens didn't just predict things.
Ted Owens caused them to happen.
And that's what we're going to talk to Mr. Mishlov about.
I'm going to update you shortly on the Pegasus story because it is not over yet.
There's more to go.
And Richard Hoagland has it.
And I know that a lot of you want updates.
You want to know what's going on.
Now, as you know, I am about to be the recipient this week, at the end of this week on Friday the 13th, very auspicious day to give me this award.
And I am accepting it in this light.
I'm accepting this as a badge of honor.
It is from Sycop and the Skeptical Inquirer.
And they're giving it to me in hopes that they will...
They're giving it to me.
Magazine editors say they're giving Bell the less than prestigious award for encouraging credulity, presenting pseudoscience as genuine, and contributing to the public's lack of understanding of the methods of scientific inquiry.
The story will be Friday the 13th.
Won't be lucky day for Art Bell.
Well, I say it is lucky for me.
I would like to note something, though.
In my snuffed candle award, they list Carl Sagan as an active member.
Now, I wonder what it is that Psychop and the Skeptical Inquirer are doing to continue to consult with Carl, because actually Carl has been, bless his heart, dispersing his billions and billions of tiny atomic particles to the daisies for quite a while now.
So unless they have some sort of communication going that I'm not aware of, the people at Psycop and the Skeptical Inquirer, maybe you don't suppose they sneak into the in into some sort of strange secret session with a psychic and still consult with Colonel let him vote to you.
The Snarled Candle Award is going to be mine and all mine.
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Just wait till you hear what we do.
Standard News.
Gingrich says he quit for GOP Unity.
Did it for the party.
Said tonight he decided to retire rather than fight for a new term last week because his presence would be, quote, an excuse for divisiveness and factionalism among Republicans.
Letters claiming to contain anthrax were sent today to a Catholic parish in Indianapolis, a church in suburban Buffalo, New York, and a Chicago office of an anti-abortion group.
The contents of the letters were under investigation, so this seems to be a new thing.
I got one.
They had it in Wichita.
And now, all of a sudden, this seems to be latest rage.
Send somebody some powder and tell them they've just been exposed to anthrax.
Not very funny, of course, when you get such a letter.
House impeachment investigators are weighing whether to call presidential confident Bruce Lindsay now that the Supreme Court has said it's okay to do that, as well as the Secret Service.
So we'll see.
In a moment, we're going to turn our attention to the Pegasus story, which is far from over.
Now, if you didn't hear it, Linda had an interesting interview on Dreamland yesterday.
I think it's, I got some email from Paul Dorr, and I have invited Paul onto the program.
He's welcome to come on, and he is, as you might imagine, a bit bitter about this whole business, the use of his name, all the rest of it.
And so he's invited on the program to say whatever he would like to say.
But of course, it has for some time been known that Paul Dorr, at least the Paul Dorr who's in communication with me, is not the Paul Dore, or he is the Paul Dore.
I guess they stole his name, and that would get you very angry, of course.
But there is more to report to you than meets the eye on the Pegasus question.
I got a very interesting fact just before coming on the air that I passed on to Richard Hoagland.
He'll tell you about it and where this story stands in a moment.
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Why would you imagine that an organization like PsyCop and the inquirer here, skeptical inquirer, why would they have somebody who's already died on their active board list?
I was sent a fax copy this afternoon of some email which had gone back and forth between Mr. Doerr and an unknown correspondent who was known to me.
And they sent him a series of questions.
And I'm going to keep the correspondent's name private because I don't have permission to divulge the name.
But they sent me the correspondence, and I think it's actually fascinating because after they established in the first couple, three questions, you know, how did you find out about this?
And he says that he was emailed by a friend of his who's apparently this FFTSP42 program that he claimed, that the ostensible Paul Doerr claimed he was using for the signal search caused a lot of traffic on this individual's website, a guy named Mike Cook.
So he sent Doar, the real Door, an email and said, you know, is this the reason why I'm getting so much traffic?
And Door ignored it.
Then he got another email from somebody else, and he finally responded and then realized, I guess, by the sixth or so, the third, that there was something pretty weird going on.
Anyway, my correspondent emailed him with a series of questions, starting with, what were your initial thoughts?
And Doerr responds, the real Door says, what the hell is going on?
Must be a mistake.
There's another Paul Doar.
But then saw Siemens Plessy, that's the British Aerospace Company mentioned and my wife's first name.
Mr. Door, I think he's up to protest a bit too much here because he himself has been in high dudgeon that someone would accuse him of this without ever physically calling him.
Well, that came in just a little while ago, about half an hour ago.
And I was very intrigued to find that right off the bat, he's accusing me, having never talked to me, never met me, of something pretty weird.
Anyway, we are following the trail.
Let's assume for a moment that Mr. Doar is an innocent dupe and that he and the Japanese amateur Mr. Oka and perhaps the guy in Guernsey, although we don't know that for a fact, are all ringed into this.
Well, as I guess I should explain to this audience on Sunday, Linda did an interview with a Japanese ham who supposedly received this signal, and he denied everything in one-word responses.
Covered by a proactive action to dissuade interest by amateurs and people who are not in the official professional community, who cannot be controlled.
And the easiest and quickest way to do that is to put out the real signal under fake names that are easily discovered to be fake.
And then everybody says, oh, it's only a Halloween hoax, as Linda said.
And everybody goes away happy that they figured it out, they found it out, and they can go back to real life.
Meanwhile, leaving the field to the professionals and the real signal and whatever is going to matriculate in the next few weeks.
Yes, no matter how I feel about this, Richard, I cannot rule that out as certainly a possibility, that if you want to turn attention away from something that's beginning to get it, you set up an obvious false story, hoax, and you air the fact that it was a hoax, and everybody's attention for a while turns away.
Now that I know that he's accusing me of being behind this whole thing, I'm really fascinated to get some questions to Mr. Doerr, particularly because of his former connections to Lockheed Martin.
But that's a whole other story, all right?
Let me go back to what I think this all means.
If we have a hoax covering a real event, then there should be some evidence of this in that last communique, the one that was published on the web before the website was taken down.
Remember, I held out the model that maybe it was a code?
The final letter from the fake Mr. Door is, in fact, a code.
And it's an exquisite interlocking code.
I'll show people how they can look at this themselves to check that we're not deluding ourselves.
And it's communicating some very specific information.
So we'll hold that for the next couple of nights.
In the meantime, we're prosecuting the technical search.
And we have our own team ginning up to put a dish in operation with electronics and low-noise front ends and all that to scan the frequency in the region of the sky where we think this thing might be based on the last data point, which was Australia, on November 2nd.
Just before airtime, you sent me a fact from a gentleman, we'll keep him anonymous for the moment, who apparently is a competent amateur radio astronomer.
If I'm right, if this whole scam has been to dissuade amateurs from weighing in and looking because it's all a hoax, then this guy's equipment should be able to see it.
Well, he says in the second paragraph that he looked at the frequencies 1425 and side lobes and found a hard signal in the middle with no sideband.
So very shortly, Enterprise might have, in concert with this individual, a very good confirmation.
Now, what's interesting is I just got a call from my technical person who broke in during the commercial, and he said if he plots the points between this guy and the other ones going all the way back to the so-called Paul Doers original, it's a logarithmic plot.
Now, what does a logarithmic plot mean?
It means it's decelerating exactly as a real probe would.
When I drop something, you know, take a coffee cup and hold it out over the floor and I let it go.
It accelerates because of gravity at 32 feet per second per second.
So if you're slowing down, coming in from distant outer space, interstellar space, when you put on the brakes, every meter per second that you cut from the velocity is an acceleration.
It should be a curve starting out shallow at first and then getting steeper and steeper and steeper until the final velocity is killed off when it arrives.
And that now, with this next data point from our friend the other night, appears to be what the curve is turning out to be.
On the SETI site, the official SETI Institute site, which is housed physically at the NASA Ames Research Center in Mountain View, California, south of San Francisco.
And they have now been going on private funding, and that's why they call the project Project Phoenix, because they rose from the ashes with new money, et cetera, et cetera.
Well, Seth has done something pretty strange.
He has listed me on his official chronology of this whole story.
On November 4th, all the web postings of the EQ data and descriptions of the claim detection were removed and replaced by a national security web emblem, and as a number five, by an inverted American flag, a UN flag, and a flag of Earth.
The initials RCH also appear on the bottom of the graphic, presumably a reference to Richard C. Hoagland, a scientist slash journalist who maintains that the EQPEG signal announcement is a disinformation plot to hide a real detection.
Now, what's wrong with this picture?
What's wrong with it is this is in the same agency, which to this day will die rather than omit my work on Europa.
And suddenly, Dr. Shostak, in a very forthright, very neutral mechanism, not only lists my credential, but also the theory I am proposing, which is that this whole hoopla is a cover to mask a real event coming.
I think he's already figured it out, and this is why.
See, what bothers me, and the reason I'm getting really kind of out there, and I don't give a damn what they say, is because between the lines, the chicanery, the lack of significant body parts is getting pretty blatant.
On the SETI League website, which took the lead in calling this whole thing from the beginning a hoax, remember, that was the computer that the so-called Paul Dorr broke into to put his screen dumps and ask basically for confirmation.
Well, I've actually observed this phenomenon on 75 meters, which is a very low frequency in the shortwave spectrum, 3.5 megahertz, roughly above that, actually 3.8.
And I'll be damned, Richard, if, you know, I run a kilowatt, so it's a fair amount of power, but I can say, hello, this has happened to me on a good dozen occasions, and let go of the mic, the pickle, as the CBers would say, let go of the mic, and I can actually hear my hello come back to me.
Now, the physics of that, at 3.5 megahertz, you're not going around the world.
No.
Something else is happening, and nobody can quite explain what it is.
His proposal was that LDEs were simply terrestrial signals that leak out through the ionosphere, are picked up by an alien probe orbiting somewhere in the solar system and stored in memory, and then spat back to us with a very significant delay to get our attention.
Well, there is this paper by a guy named Chris Boyce, who has a whole website devoted to the alien probe hypothesis, which everybody should go look.
It's linked to our site, EnterpriseMission.com, or through your site, artbell.com.
The point is that at the top of the SETI League, who've been frying the whole door story, suddenly we have a major editorial, a scholarly, carefully crafted editorial with substantive documentation on alien probes.
In other words, the underground art, the political underground behind this story is there's something there.
And it's almost like they're positioning the deck chairs so that when it is confirmed, they're on the side of the angels and don't look really, really, really silly.
In other words, they're hedging their bets.
Why are they hedging their bets?
Is there an underground in the professional community, a la Australia, that in fact, like our friend tonight with the 30-foot private dish, has confirmed that it's Dopplering in like hell, and we can expect to roll out the welcome map on December 7th?
Well, remember, we don't know what kind of propulsion system.
I am presuming that these guys are pretty sophisticated, and they're kind of lolling along at 4,000 miles per second, which was some numbers we calculated last week, to kind of not freak out the mainstream guys.
Remember, the UFO crowd is used to hyperspatial warps, you know, ET electrogravitic technology, UFOs that are zipping around the shuttle, all that kind of stuff.
But the mainstream crowd, who of course are not listening to us tonight, they are still stuck back in rockets and space shuttles.
And if anybody is going to call us, they'll call us on the phone safely from several light years away.
The point is that if this is staged, and we use that term very carefully, if this is a crafted approach, a first contact, and we can get into later, you know, who might be behind it.
That's one of the possibilities that we ourselves, the so-called secret black technology, the black ops people who have this exquisite hyperdimensional Tom Bearden, you know, technology that we've discussed, that they could be crafting this as a deliberate ploy for reasons currently unknown.
Well, look, my attitude about this now is that I'm going to follow it until I find out who's behind it and why they did it.
In other words, I don't think this was Orson Welles after 60 years.
Free trial.
Yeah, I don't think so either.
Here's something you should hear I receive.
Dear Art, you probably have come to this conclusion by now, but just in case, here's one scenario behind the Pegasi hoax.
There's been a long-standing behind-the-scenes plan by the secret government, a gang, to stage, I repeat, stage an alien landing.
The purpose, of course, is to have an excuse to bring about the long-planned one-world government.
This plan was coming together very nicely with a projected landing date obviously soon within weeks or months.
At Dames was on the mark when he said the source of the Pegasi phenomena was a military base.
Since there is no real radio wave, he tuned in on the source of the information being disseminated out, which is someone in the know within the military.
This person used his genius to fabricate a story and used the internet and press to make it public.
Very top secret, devious plot without exposing him or herself.
Well, this story, I mean, this scenario is one of the reasons why, beginning back in June, when I got my call from my Pentagon source, I kept dismissing it.
It was just too pet.
But there's something that occurred to me tonight.
Do you know where they said the first landing was going to occur, which is why I really dismissed it?
But as we moved further down the road and the source kept persisting and gave me more specifics and then confirmed the dates that we had developed from other sources, I began to take it more seriously.
And now, of course, with this EQPEG thing, I'm taking it very seriously to the point where we can test it.
We have now been given, as I said, specific lat-long of the landing and a date when convoys and vehicles and guys should show up to cordon off the area and all that.
And we've done our first aerial survey, and we're going to keep surveying and report what we find.
And if we get to the date where things are supposed to happen and nothing happens, we will report that.
That's the other thing before we leave with this update.
If there's any professional astronomers out there, undergraduates, you know, in the control room at 3 o'clock in the morning, that really want to make history, turn the dish in the direction of EQ Pegasus and listen.