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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Robert Raith - Alien Encounters - Paul LaViolette - Beyond the Big Bang

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	Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from November 10th, 1998.
	From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be.
	Boy, have I got something for you this morning.
	We are going to have a very full night indeed.
	And in this first hour, I'm going to set up something that's going to happen tomorrow night.
	Really, it's happening tonight and tomorrow night regarding an alien encounter.
	Something that... I'll tell you all about it in a moment.
	And then, in the next hour, we're going to have a very special guest.
	Paul the Violet.
	And he writes about the Big Bang, before the Big Bang.
	And Earth Under Fire.
	And that's a lot of material for us to cover.
	And I'm sure that I'm slaughtering his name.
	It looks like Paul LaViolette.
	I wonder if that's French.
	Anyway, it should be very, very interesting, but this hour, I'm going to blow you away.
	Absolutely going to blow you away this hour.
	And so we'll get to all of that in a moment.
	All I will say now is, remember the call from the guy who said that an alien killed this doctor's dog, and then the doctor killed the alien?
	Do you remember that?
	Well, if you don't, I'm going to replay that call for you here shortly to jog your memory, and then I'm going to tell you where you can go see it.
	My website, of course.
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	Let me ask you this.
	What is going on to necessitate this so quickly?
	There seems to be a deadline in their brains and they need to get this done.
	They know their whole new world order is inches from going up in flames.
	So they're afraid of the awakening and they know that their collapse is about to take place because we've been asleep at the switch and we've let incredibly corrupt interests take control of our society.
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	You'll still get all the same great features for the same low price, just 15 cents a day when you sign up for one
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	your computer or MP3 player, and the iPhone app with live and on-demand programs.
	You'll also get our amazing download library of free full years of shows.
	Just think, as a new subscriber, over 1,000 shows will be available for you to collect, enjoy, and listen to at your leisure.
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	two weekly classics.
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	I think now, as we look back, we can probably say with pretty good certainty that some people in government might have been aware of what was going on and they turned their cheek.
	The other way.
	Just to let it happen.
	I also believe that some bigger groups got involved with Al-Qaeda to do what they did on that horrible day.
	This wasn't just a small group of people who came in and did their thing.
	There was a much bigger picture there.
	And if you see the events that have unfolded since this tragedy occurred, how we've lost rights, how we used it to go into Afghanistan and Iraq, and how it has really not stopped.
	Because it's going to continue.
	We're going to have more and more episodes, and more and more involvement in other countries.
	And just mark my word, this planet is going through an incredible change.
	And thank God we've got you here to talk with us about it.
	Now we take you back to the night of November 10th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Okay, uh...
	Now, a lot of times, you know, on this program we've got open, unscreened lines, and we get a lot of stories from people that sometimes are pretty wild and hard to substantiate.
	And a lot of people say, well, I'll be sending the proof, and it never shows up.
	Well, guess what?
	The other night, we got a call from a young fellow named Robert Raith, that's R-A-I-T-H, who claimed that a friend of his, a doctor, a psychologist, Uh, was walking in the woods with his dog, was attacked by an alien, the dog attacked by an alien, and then the doctor killed the alien.
	And he said, you know, I've got photographs, and I've got videotape, and I've, um, got the story, uh, we're beginning to compile the story, and I said, okay, fine, and we went to break, and I gave him a private get-it-to-me-fast kind of address.
	Well, guess what, folks?
	I've got it.
	I've got the photographs.
	I've got the videotape.
	He doesn't want the videotape released yet, but I've got the photographs, and to prove to you, I scanned them earlier today.
	Now, what do I have?
	I have a picture.
	Actually, I have several.
	I was allowed to use three.
	I've got a picture of the craft in the woods.
	I've got two photographs of the alien when they brought the body back And they're on the website now.
	You will find them prominently displayed as the first item on the website, on my website, right this very minute.
	And it says, Photos of Alien Encounter.
	And believe me, you're going to want to go take a look at those photographs.
	Believe me, you're going to want to take a look at them.
	Tomorrow night, in the first two hours, we're going to have Robert Grave and this doctor, Uh, whose name is, uh, Dr. Reed, Dr. Jonathan Reed, on the air to talk about this incredible, incredible story.
	I, uh, so I'll tell you more about it.
	What I want to do right now is replay the audio of the call from Robert.
	I think it's a, it's a way to begin it.
	Um, if you would please, up at the network.
	This is for Friday night, Saturday morning, by the way.
	So, up at the network, if you would please, roll the audio now.
	Dear Mr. Bell, we have films of an extraterrestrial and its craft, taken with a video and 35mm camera as well.
	The films and the story that go with them are like no other anyone has seen or heard to date.
	Dr. Jonathan Reed, The person that had this experience desires to make this information known exclusively on your program first, if you are interested.
	Soon to be published, it is an emotional, incredibly compelling truth that's backed up with unmistakable test-worthy visual evidence.
	The films and the accompanying story make the Alien Autopsy and Victor's film look sparse in comparison.
	Hearing the story, and I'm understanding when I say it's shocking, seeing the videos is an experience anyone interested in ufology would give nearly anything to see and hear.
	We feel honored and hopeful in offering you and your audience this exclusive opportunity to experience an incredible journey that continues to this day.
	I hope you might see this letter tonight.
	We have given our phone numbers below and we will be available tonight if you'd like to call.
	We believe the timing of your return and Dr. Reed's decision to tell his story now is no accident.
	Want to take a ride?
	Signed, Robert.
	And I won't give Robert's last name unless he wants to give it.
	You want to give your last name, Robert?
	Absolutely.
	What is your last name?
	Rafe.
	Rafe.
	Robert Rafe.
	Author of Link and Extraterrestrial Odyssey, soon to be published.
	A lot of publishing going on here.
	Alright, now, the Wanna Take a Ride offer, I take it that is sort of metaphorical.
	Absolutely.
	So, the ride would be a ride to see the crispy 35mm photographs and the films to go with, is that correct?
	Absolutely.
	The ride would be that and the incredible story.
	That it's around.
	Describe to me what's on film and what's on video and how clear it is.
	Well, first off, the video and the pictures are incredibly clear.
	It's not black and white.
	It's not all foggy and confused.
	They are very clear.
	Very clear.
	Very, very clear.
	As clear as, for example, the Billy Meyer photographs.
	As clear.
	As clear.
	You can't mistake what you're looking at for anything other than it is.
	Alright, I'll take your word on that.
	How, let's see, where to begin?
	A million questions.
	Where did this experience occur?
	This experience occurred in Washington.
	State of Washington.
	In the forest.
	A gentleman, Dr. Reed, was hiking through the woods.
	Dr. Jonathan Reed.
	What kind of doctor is he?
	He's a psychologist.
	Psychologist, alright.
	He was hiking through the woods with his dog when he lost track of his dog.
	And what happened was he began to hear that she was in some kind of fight or conflict.
	Right.
	So he moved to find out where she was.
	Well, when he found her, she was attacking this creature.
	And this creature was an alien.
	Can you give us some sketchy idea of what this creature looked like?
	The creature is childlike in dimensions, but it has a large head.
	It has large, dark eyes.
	I guess it doesn't look like the classical gray.
	For one thing, it has very distinct features.
	It looks very old.
	It has long, thin arms and long, thin legs.
	Okay, I think I get the picture.
	And the craft?
	The craft looks like a marquise diamond.
	It's a large, black thing we call the obelisk.
	And what we have are photographs of it hovering.
	Very clear.
	You have photographs of it hovering?
	And we have video.
	And video.
	Alright.
	Here's what we should do.
	You should get as much photographic evidence to me by next day mail as you can get.
	Is that a possibility?
	Absolutely.
	Is Dr. Reid willing to come on the air?
	Yes, he is.
	He's not with me tonight.
	He's not with me right now, but yes.
	How did you get involved?
	I was doing some investigative work involving other things when I received a call from Dr. Reid.
	At first, I wasn't sure if this guy was just nuts or what the story was, but I was intrigued.
	So I met with him and we talked for quite some time, long into the night, when he showed me the photographic evidence and some other evidence, some documentation as well.
	That's when I said, I want to be involved.
	Absolutely.
	So you were, in other words, there is no question when you look at this material that you're looking at the real McCoy, huh?
	Absolutely no question whatsoever.
	Well, I must say, this is pretty exciting.
	Is Dr. Reed a resident of Washington as well?
	He's been pretty much on the move since this incident happened to him.
	On the move?
	Yes.
	As in frightened?
	Scared?
	What?
	Yes.
	He lost his credentials.
	A few people involved in the situation.
	One has disappeared.
	One is dead.
	Whoa.
	Um, so it's been very difficult for him.
	And of course he lost his dog as well.
	What happened was the dog had, or the alien had killed the dog.
	Dr. Reed had killed the alien and then took it home.
	Oh my God.
	So the alien killed his dog.
	He was angry and killed the alien.
	Now did he have a gun with him?
	How did he dispatch?
	He used a large wooden stick.
	He beat it to death with a stick?
	He had clubbed it over the head with a stick.
	With a stick?
	So he's got the body?
	He had the body.
	Had the body?
	Until individuals cleaned out his house.
	MIBs?
	Basically, yes.
	Holy Jehoshaphits!
	Robert?
	We also have audio of the creature screaming.
	You do?
	Yes, we do.
	You don't happen to have that handy, do you?
	I don't have it handy, no.
	Oh, too bad.
	But we'll get it to you.
	And I suppose that the good doctor, if I were to get him, would be from an undisclosed location?
	Yes, he would be.
	And he's told you he's willing to come on the air and present this story exclusively on my program.
	Yes, absolutely.
	What happened was we were actually ready to go forward just after you announced that I was leaving the air.
	That you were leaving the air.
	And we waited, hoping and praying that A, you were alright, and B, that you would come back on.
	Because we really wanted to give this story to you.
	We both feel that you're a pioneer.
	And we respect you.
	And that's why we wanted to go with you.
	Well, all right.
	So, there you have it.
	That was the call as it occurred Friday night, Saturday morning.
	Actually, in my time zone, Friday night in the first hour.
	You were hearing Robert Rafe.
	Well, you know, it was a fascinating call.
	You could hear the enthusiasm slowly picking up in my voice.
	over what I was being told but still I was cautious because I've been told a lot of stories as you all know you've heard them and many people have said they will provide documentary evidence of what they're saying and then don't well guess what folks today midday a FedEx envelope showed up and I opened this thing up and oh my god inside here are Quite a number.
	Let's see.
	Three... I was only allowed... Robert only wanted me to use three of the photographs, but I actually have a total of three, four, five, six photographs of the alien and the ship.
	And he only wanted me to use two.
	I talked him into letting us post on the website a third photograph.
	But what we have are clear Distinct photographs of the alien craft hovering in the woods.
	We have two clear, distinct photographs of the alien.
	One showing the wound to the head, and the other showing a good clear shot of the alien itself.
	Now, the first thing everybody's going to hop on, you know, I scanned these photographs myself.
	Look, I'm holding them now.
	They are done by Kodak.
	They're regular 35mm photographs.
	So there's been no tampering with them.
	And I scanned them personally earlier today and sent them to Keith.
	They're on my website now.
	As a matter of fact, it's the first item you're going to see on my website when you go up there.
	First, the very first item.
	So you need to get to my website pronto And go look at these photographs.
	Secondarily, so that you might know I've got the photographs, I just took a studio cam picture of myself holding these particular three 35mm photographs, and I zoomed in good and close, so you can see that obviously I do have the photographs, because the first thing everybody will say is, oh, he sent you computer things that were all jiggled-jaggled.
	No.
	I've got the original Kodak 35mm photographs.
	So, if you want to check my studio cam while you're up there, go take a look at that.
	And you'll see the actual photographs.
	But, by all means, go over to where they're scanned and available for you on the net.
	I'm telling you, and then of course I've got the videotape too, which I am not releasing at this point.
	Robert is not releasing, more accurately.
	And the videotape is incredible!
	God, it's incredible!
	So, I've got the story, I've got the videotape, and I've got the photographs.
	And if you want to see the photographs, go take a look.
	It's not exactly the classic gray, but it's also not very far from the classic gray.
	Could easily be from the same family.
	So what I'm going to do here is pause.
	Tomorrow night, we're going to have Robert And Dr. Livingston.
	I think it's Livingston.
	I hope that's right.
	I believe it is.
	On the air.
	Dr. Reid, rather.
	So they'll both be on the air.
	But in a moment, I'm going to bring Robert back on the air.
	Because I was absolutely blown away to get all of this.
	I believe we've got quite a story.
	Can I verify it's absolutely so?
	No.
	But the photographic evidence is pretty good.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from November 10th, 1998.
	The Coast to Coast AM concert, performed by the Coast to Coast Amphitheatre, was a production of the Coast to Coast
	Amphitheatre.
	The concert was performed by the Coast to Coast Amphitheatre.
	The inside of Sam, the smell and touch of something.
	Inside that he means so much.
	The sight of a touch or the scent of a sand or the strength of an oak when it's deep in the ground.
	The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again.
	Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing?
	To lie in a meadow and hear the grassling howl?
	I know these things and I'm never at all from the useless to helpless to fine.
	I'm never at all from the useless to fine.
	I'm never at all from the useless to fine.
	Why, why can't you know I'm taking a place on this trip just for me?
	Why, they must be right, I'm taking a place on my seat in my dream
	I was hoping to take the edge, but so hard to do it by fear, had to end my life before I could
	But by now, I know I'm not gonna cry Oh, I miss friends, and my friends, I miss no one, but you,
	my friend Oh, well I'm a fly, don't you run in, in my dreams
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time. Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from November 10th,
	1998.
	Well, the website has is on its knees trying to handle the amount of bandwidth and it's not handling it very well at the moment at all.
	So if you are trying to get in and can't, it's not that the site is down, it's just that it's maxed out.
	More than maxed out.
	The people taking care of the server already called and said, hey, what's going on?
	These are incredible photographs.
	There's no doubt about it.
	In a moment, briefly tonight, I'm going to bring Robert Rafe back on the air and ask him a couple of questions because what he has sent me is nothing short of amazing.
	And we're going to bring up several topics and then tomorrow night you'll hear from the good doctor and Robert as well about this incident.
	Incredible incident.
	And I thought this bumper music would be appropriate because that's how he began his facts.
	Want to take a ride and bleed me?
	From an informational point of view, it's quite a ride.
	We'll be right back.
	Oops. Spring Link.
	Spring Lake.
	The audio subscription service of Coast to Coast AM has a new name.
	Coast Insider.
	You'll still get all the same great features for the same low price.
	Just 15 cents a day when you sign up for one year.
	The package includes podcasting, Which offers the convenience of having shows downloaded automatically to your computer or MP3 player and the iPhone app with live and on-demand programs.
	You'll also get our amazing download library of free full years of shows.
	Just think, as a new subscriber, over 1,000 shows will be available for you to collect, enjoy, and listen to at your leisure.
	Plus, you'll get streamed and on-demand broadcasts of Art Bell's Somewhere in Time shows and two weekly classics.
	And as a member, you'll have access to our monthly live chat sessions with George Norrie and special guests.
	If you're a fan of Coast, you won't want to be without Coast Insider.
	Visit coast2coastam.com to sign up today.
	Looking for the truth?
	You'll find it on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
	Let me ask you this.
	What is going on to necessitate this so quickly?
	There seems to be a deadline in their brains, and they need to get this done.
	They know their whole new world order is inches from going up in flames, so they're afraid of the awakening, and they know that their collapse is about to take place, because we've been asleep at the switch, and we've let incredibly corrupt interests take control of our society.
	Coast to Coast AM is happy to announce that our website is now optimized for mobile device users, specifically for the iPhone and Android platforms.
	in streamlined fashion. And if you're a Coast Insider, you'll have our great subscriber
	features right on your phone, including the ability to listen to live programs and stream
	previous shows. No special app is necessary to enjoy our new mobile site. Simply visit
	coasttocoastam.com on your iPhone or Android browser.
	Looking for the truth?
	You'll find it on Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
	I think now, as we look back, we can probably say with pretty good certainty that some people in government might have been aware of what was going on and they turned their cheek the other way just to let it happen.
	I also believe that some bigger groups got involved with Al-Qaeda to do what they did on that horrible day.
	This wasn't just a small group of people who came in and did their thing.
	There was a much bigger picture there.
	And if you see the events that have unfolded since this tragedy occurred, how we've lost rights, how we used it to go into Afghanistan and Iraq, and how it has really not stopped.
	Because it's going to continue.
	We're going to have more and more episodes, and more and more involvement in other countries.
	And just mark my word, this planet is going through an incredible change.
	And thank God we've got you here to talk with us about it.
	Now we take you back to the night of November 10th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	All right, now to the state of Washington.
	That's what I was starting to say when I so rudely interrupted myself.
	God, that's embarrassing.
	Here's Robert Rafe.
	Robert, welcome.
	Thank you for coming on.
	No problem.
	You're going to have to talk directly into the phone so we can hear you well.
	Okie dokie.
	Robert, I was at midday today, flat, blown on my butt by all of this.
	I mean, here comes this package.
	You've got to understand that a lot of people tell stories like you told, and they're just stories.
	But you have come up with the proof.
	I do understand, and it's an amazing story.
	And the proof is there.
	It's real, and it happened.
	I've got to tell you that the craft that you have taken a photograph of here, if you look at my website, and I guess Keith ought to put a marker up to it again, I saw a craft that looked just like this thing.
	Basically, it's... In the picture, it looks kind of like a triangle.
	Right.
	That's what I saw.
	Now, the alien... Let's go through one picture at a time here.
	First, the picture of the craft that I put up.
	Somebody already commented, you know, people, of course, immediately start tearing this stuff apart and say, oh, what a fake, what a phony.
	Well, to me it doesn't look like a fake or phony at all.
	The 35mm photograph of it is extremely clear.
	I'm glad you're happy with it.
	I am.
	The foliage in the background... Somebody called and said, well, there's no shadow of the craft.
	And there wouldn't be a shadow of the craft, because number one, it's very dense foliage, very large trees.
	It looks like a big canopy.
	Number two, If you look in the background where you can just barely see a little bit of sky, it is not blue, it is gray, so the sun must not have been out.
	Right.
	And, you know... And there's no shadows.
	If you look at the rest of the photograph, you don't see shadows of the foliage.
	So, obviously, it was a good day to take photographs.
	They contest both pictures, and they're real.
	I know.
	But there's always going to be naysayers, Art.
	I know.
	The best way to deal with that is just move on.
	Alright, well then there's two photographs of the alien.
	Thank you for allowing me to put up the second photograph.
	The reason is because the first photograph shows the alien sort of straight on and you can actually see an eye.
	One of the eyes is somewhat, slightly open.
	This alien is laid out on golden colored Chinfoil, is that fair?
	Yeah, it's what they call an emergency blanket.
	An emergency blanket?
	It's a thermal blanket.
	How tall was this creature?
	Oh man, well I would say probably about five feet.
	About five feet tall?
	Yeah.
	The second photograph shows the alien with his head turned and The obvious, uh, I guess it wouldn't be the right word, uh, crushed skull.
	There's literally, I guess, a hole in the alien skull.
	That's obviously where the doctor slammed him, huh?
	That's where he hit him, yeah.
	It was actually a thick branch, uh, that he cracked him over the head with.
	You know, in this photograph, I can actually see what looked like... Now, you were close to this alien, and I have not been, but these almost look like veins.
	Those are veins.
	Arm veins coming up through the neck into the head.
	Right.
	You also supplied me, I mean these are nothing short of remarkable, remarkable photographs.
	You also supplied me with a videotape and you don't want that released yet.
	No, not yet.
	But you know what I thought I would ask you?
	I thought I would ask you if tomorrow night we might play a little bit of audio from it.
	That's a possibility.
	I'd have to talk to Jonathan.
	Would you please run that by him?
	Absolutely, I will.
	Not the video, but just a little bit of the audio.
	You can hear the alien scream.
	You, obviously, you were the person taking the photographs, or was it the doctor?
	It was the doctor.
	It was the doctor.
	All this really happened to him.
	He was in extreme Distress.
	Yes, he was.
	Very difficult to watch.
	Very difficult.
	I mean, he was just almost out of breath.
	I'm surprised he frankly didn't begin to hyperventilate and pass out.
	Very, very close to hyperventilation.
	Yeah, it was one of the most difficult things I've ever had to see, to be quite honest with you.
	It was amazing, but beyond that was just what he was going through I could feel it viscerally.
	I mean, it was just incredible and very intense.
	You sent me a first package.
	Yes, I did.
	And what happened to that package?
	A very brave young lady was on her way to deliver the package to the place that was going to send it off.
	And she was hit from behind and she received seven stitches.
	They did not take her purse.
	They did not take her car.
	Her keys and purse were knocked to the ground.
	But all they took was that package.
	That package.
	The package that was intended for me.
	Right.
	And so you immediately... Good move on you to get more copies of these photographs.
	You obviously have the negatives and Yes, we have some made.
	And now, you have some.
	Not much.
	Doctor, yes now I've got them and now they're on the net and so too bad for whoever is after
	you.
	It's public and I don't know what they can do about it now.
	Not much.
	That's right.
	Once it gets public in some way there's not a hell of a lot they can do.
	What kind of man is Dr. Reed?
	He's a pretty strong individual.
	A lot of intestinal fortitude there.
	Originally, we just discussed it.
	We talked about it.
	We made notes.
	And as we began to open up more about the situation, he realized that he wanted to really get this out somehow.
	In the book, his friend who disappeared, Gary, Had actually, we say this, he mentioned you, Art Bell, and he had told Jonathan, now this conversation took place about two years ago, and finally after I worked with Jonathan for about a year, talking to him and just trying to get us to a point where we could do something, he realized it was just so important to get this out.
	And he's, in my opinion, a very strong individual for going through what he went through.
	And as you said, you've seen the video.
	Oh, yeah.
	A lot of people would have folded under that.
	He didn't fold.
	He, at some point, he obviously took this emergency, whatever it is, blanket back, wrapped the alien up, And did what?
	Dragged it home?
	Or how did he get it home?
	I guess we'll find out all this later.
	Originally, what he wanted to do was he wanted to bury it.
	And then he didn't feel right about that for many reasons, which he can better state himself, being that it was him.
	And so he wrapped it up in his emergency blanket, which he had in his backpack because he was hiking, and he took it down to his Jeep.
	And he took it home with him.
	And not only did he have that to deal with, but he was also very ill.
	He had injured himself in this, and his hand was getting infected, and he just went through just a terrible thing.
	You told me this dog died in a pretty terrible way.
	Yes, it did.
	Can you describe now what you described earlier today to me?
	Yes.
	Susie, what happened was Susie encountered the alien.
	Susie is a dog.
	Susie is the dog.
	Was the dog.
	Right.
	And she had bit his arm, bit the alien's arm, and the alien had released somehow some of its own flesh onto her face and mauled her face.
	When the flesh retracted, a hole appeared on her, and basically she was just sucked from herself into that hole.
	And that was it.
	That's pretty much what drove Jonathan over the edge.
	He took the branch, and he hit the alien, killing it.
	I can't say that I blame him.
	Under similar circumstances, I might do exactly the same thing.
	Yeah, it was very traumatic, and in a situation like that, you're not thinking, okay, this is an alien.
	It took him a long time to come to that point himself, because he was a person that really Just didn't believe in UFOs and aliens and things like this.
	Well, this turned him around.
	And in some ways turned me around.
	It's changed both our lives dynamically.
	I'm certain it would.
	And if it didn't, then I wouldn't, then I'd have a hard time.
	I'd struggle with the story.
	I mean, God, look at this thing.
	There's no way that this is even remotely human.
	And while we're on the subject, the other comment that most people make Is that this thing looks awfully old.
	It doesn't look like it just died.
	But then again, we have no idea how an alien should look, so.
	That's right.
	I mean, their physiology is going to be quite different than ours.
	Yes, it was.
	That's one of the first things that actually struck me about it is the features.
	It wasn't just blank.
	It was there's Life or character, if you will, in those features.
	And that's what also disturbed me because I realized that this thing at one time was a living being and it bothered Jonathan later on.
	I mean, it just really disturbed him.
	He felt terrible about the fact that he had done this because this was a living creature with a living being.
	So you would you say that this is A rough approximation of what the being looked like when it was alive, or were there changes?
	I mean, when human beings die, there's rigor mortis.
	How much time was there between when he killed the alien and when these photographs were taken?
	How much time expired?
	Quite a few hours.
	Jonathan better knows the time that I do.
	I understand, and we'll get that tomorrow night.
	It wasn't days, it was hours.
	It was hours, oh yeah.
	Do you think, did Jonathan say the appearance at the time of the photographs was different in a substantial way from the way it looked?
	It was different.
	The hue of the flesh changed by the time he got it back.
	He said it actually looked a lot more pinkish, I guess.
	So it began to very much darken down.
	it darkened down yes considerably she's just a bit sad actually staggering uh...
	What do you plan to do with this?
	I know you're in the middle of writing the story of all of this.
	Right.
	The book is pretty much done right now.
	And we'll be looking for a publisher for that.
	So you've been holding on to this information for how long?
	Myself, for a year.
	For a year?
	I've been sitting on this.
	So this incident actually occurred over a year ago?
	Yes, about two years ago.
	Two years ago?
	And the doctor finally came to you after a year?
	After a year.
	The few people that knew about it are either dead or they've vanished.
	Or they were told to shut up.
	Period.
	And so, he came to me Now, when I sat down and talked to him about it, I wondered at first, you know, well, first, of course, is this guy sane?
	But as I talked to him, I realized this man is sane.
	All right, the audience should know that we have arranged tomorrow night to have you And Dr. Jonathan Reed on the air for the first two hours of the program.
	Right.
	And I wanted to get all this up tonight so people between now and tomorrow night would have an opportunity, our websites and gridlock here, would have an opportunity to see and examine the photographs.
	Right.
	So all I can say is I want to thank you for coming on tonight.
	You're very welcome, Mark.
	And I'm looking forward to hearing both you and Uh, the good doctor, uh, Dr. Reed, tomorrow night.
	You will hear us both.
	As a matter of fact, uh, when you have a chance, I have that location for you.
	The phone number where you will be able to reach him.
	Alright, well, I'll, I'll retrieve that.
	Well, actually, let me, uh, since I have you, let me go ahead and put you on hold now and I'll retrieve it at the top of the hour, okay?
	Okay.
	Okay, stand by.
	Uh, that, folks, is Robert Wraith.
	If you want to see the photographic evidence And remember, I've got a videotape that shows a lot more, but if you want to see some amazing photographic evidence, go to my website.
	It's all at www.artbell, that's A-R-T-B-E-L-L, lowercase, dot com.
	www.artbell.com.
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	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from November 10, 1998.
	My Other World.
	Coast to Coast.
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	you Well, good morning everybody.
	My, my, my, my, what a night we've had already in the first hour.
	and here we go with presents or bills somewhere in time tonight's program originally aired november ten nineteen
	ninety eight well good uh... good morning everybody my my my my what a night
	we've had already in the first power
	and they'll be a follow-up on this uh... tomorrow night so uh... if you're just joining us now don't worry
	You've got 24 hours to see the amazing, amazing photographs that have been sent to me and that I've now got on my website.
	It is nothing short of a remarkable story.
	It began last week with a young man who called me and said that he had researched a story of A doctor who was out in the woods up in Washington, Dr. Jonathan Reed, who, with his dog, was out on a camping trip.
	He had a backpack.
	And his dog ran ahead, attacked a creature, an alien!
	And the dog was killed, and Dr. Reed, in his rage, picked up a large stick and killed the alien.
	I know.
	I know how it sounds.
	They took photographs.
	Thank God they took photographs.
	They have clear, distinct 35mm photographs of both the craft hovering in the woods and of the alien.
	They actually dragged the alien's body back Unwrapped it and took photographs of it and we've got all of this clear, distinct 35mm photographs.
	And so you might know they are real 35mm photographs.
	I held them up for the studio camera.
	StudioCam.
	You can go up and look at my StudioCam.
	You'll see the actual Kodak 35mm photographs that I'm holding in my hand.
	And I'm going to leave that there so you can see them.
	This is not something that a computer has tampered with.
	I scanned them myself earlier today.
	Sent them to Keith.
	He's got them up there.
	Tomorrow night, in both the first and second hour, just prior to David Akey, we're going to have Robert Rafe, the man who originally called me about all of this, and Dr. Reed on the program, and we are going to tell the story to you in detail, but tonight I wanted to get the photographs up to give you 24 hours, enough time to go up there and see for yourself.
	Now, I know people pick this kind of thing apart.
	I also have a videotape, a very unambiguous videotape, Also showing the craft, showing them literally running through the woods in a dead flat panic.
	I'm surprised Dr. Reed didn't expire.
	He must have a very strong heart on the spot.
	I've got all of this.
	And tomorrow night, you'll hear the full story.
	Between now and then, you need to get to my website.
	Trust me.
	It's the first item listed in the uh... that the latest news and site additions entitled photos of alien encounter you can't miss it gotta click on the photos to get them full size when you get there in addition you might click on my studio cam and take a look at photographs themselves so you know that what i scanned uh... are real photographs it is an amazing amazing story there is that
	In a moment, we're going to be talking with Dr. Paul A. Violet.
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	This kind of evidence does not come every day.
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	Let me ask you this.
	What is going on to necessitate this so quickly?
	There seems to be a deadline in their brains and they need to get this done.
	They know their whole new world order is inches from going up in flames.
	So they're afraid of the awakening and they know that their collapse is about to take place.
	Because we've been asleep at the switch and we've let incredibly corrupt interests take control of our society.
	Now we take you back to the night of November 10th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Well, alright. Uh, now we take you back to the night of November 10th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Well, alright. Uh, now we take you back to the night of November 10th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Now comes Dr. Paul A. Lovilet.
	He has a BA in Physics from Johns Hopkins University.
	An MBA in Organizational Administration from the University of Chicago, and a PhD in Systems Science from Portland State University.
	He has been president of the Starburst Foundation since 1984, where he's been conducting interdisciplinary research in physics, astronomy, geology, climatology systems theory, psychology, and ancient mythology.
	He is author of Earth Under Fire, Humanity's Survival of the Apocalypse, Beyond the Big Bang, Ancient Myth, and the Science of Continuous Creation.
	And it goes on and on and on.
	This man is a heavyweight.
	Rather than reading all of this, I think I would like to have him... Hi, Paul.
	Hi, Art.
	I would like to have you continue, if you would, with your own uh... bio a little bit and tell us more about your stuff i can see there's a lot of words i'm going to run into here that i'm going to slaughter uh... you look art obviously a heavyweight in your field and uh... or fields would be more like it done things in a lot of areas young in a lot of areas is right i've got to ask you to stay good and close to that phone and and sort of project that is uh...
	I guess here's a good beginning question.
	What started you down this road to science?
	Well, when I was young, I was just curious about nature.
	Also, my parents were scientists.
	I guess I was just fascinated about things and wanted to figure out the world around me.
	I guess that's something that There's a reason why a lot of people go into science.
	I think it is, yes.
	So, from as early as you can recall, with parents who were themselves in science, you wanted to go in this direction?
	Right.
	I guess from a very young age.
	In fact, when I was about ten years old, I remember making a wish.
	I was trying to think if there was one thing I could wish for.
	What would it be?
	I was eliminating various things and finally I decided it would be to know everything there is to know in the universe.
	Somehow I felt that wish was answered.
	I just felt that somebody was listening at that time.
	You have to be careful what you wish for.
	It seems as a result I've been on this track ever since that time.
	How much of, these are just general questions to begin with, we're going to get very specific, but how much of what science believes about our origins, and or what religion and mythology would teach us, do you think is wrong?
	Origins like, for example, For example.
	Our predecessors?
	You mean past civilizations?
	Yes.
	I could even go back.
	Let us begin at the beginning.
	The Big Bang, for example.
	I'm told that the Big Bang... Nobody seems to know what occurred one second prior to the Big Bang.
	Nobody can explain that one.
	But they say that the Big Bang itself originated from something smaller than a cork, which is unimaginably small, and that
	everything that now is came from that.
	And I have stretched and stretched my mind, Doctor, trying to figure out how that could
	be and my mind cannot embrace the concept.
	Well, that's the problem with the Big Bang Theory, is what happened before.
	In fact, it says that space and time came out of this singularity, which is conveniently placed there.
	But what happened before that?
	You get ideas that there was not even God before that time.
	It's just complete non-existence.
	These are things that have disturbed a lot of people thinking about The Big Bang.
	There's problems with it, philosophically.
	There should be also problems with it scientifically.
	I have never heard it properly explained to me how something so small could produce so much matter.
	And I still don't.
	Can you explain it?
	Well, not really.
	I mean, it's sort of mind-boggling The assumption that physicists make, astronomers make, all of the energy and matter of the universe to have originated from a point so small, what they're saying was 10 to the minus 43 centimeters.
	Exactly.
	And yet, science does seem to Sort of confirm that there was a point of origination for all that apparently is.
	Do you buy into that?
	No.
	You don't even buy into that?
	I don't believe that the universe is expanding.
	That's a key underpinning of the whole Big Bang Theory.
	The idea was that the universe was expanding.
	They looked at the galaxies and found that their light was red-shifted, meaning if you looked at the spectrum of the sun, let's say, it's kind of like a fingerprint in a spectrograph.
	Instead of seeing those spectral lines where they should be, they found they were slightly shifted, the ones that were coming from distant galaxies.
	In the days when they first discovered this, this was at the turn of the century, around 1917 or so.
	They found, well at that time they were used to looking at stars in the galaxy doing orbital motion like in binary stars.
	And it was natural to interpret red and blue shifts of their spectra.
	In other words, a blue shift would be something coming toward you, a red shift would be something going away from you.
	Right, and an analogy is usually given as like the train whistle, the pitch dropping or increasing, whether it's going away or coming toward you.
	And so this was a common practice.
	They would see motion of stars and interpret red shifts or blue shifts this way.
	So when they began looking at these objects called nebula, which at that time they didn't realize they were outside the galaxy, actually.
	They thought they were just gas clouds in the galaxy.
	And they found that they were consistently red shifted.
	All their spectra were red shifted.
	Eventually, they finally came to the conclusion that these were outside the galaxy, and they were galaxies on their own right.
	Initially, the amount of redshifting, the velocity at which they would be receding from us, was small because they were looking at galaxies close by.
	But as time went on, the telescopes were able to improve.
	They could look further out.
	As they went further out, they were dealing with recessional velocities much greater.
	The way I compare this is like the idea of putting the frog in the water that's lukewarm and then you turn up the heat gradually.
	The frog doesn't realize the temperature is changing.
	This is kind of what happened to cosmology.
	Right now we're dealing, if you buy into that assumption, you're talking about galaxies receding at 97 to 98 percent the speed of light.
	So you can imagine what if they had seen, as far out as we see today,
	redshifts like that. Would they have made that assumption that the redshift was due to the recession of the galaxy?
	Astronomers now look at the brightest objects they can find, as far out as they can find,
	and they claim that they think they can see out near perhaps 15 billion light years out.
	And they think that might be some of the first objects thrown off from this tremendous, gigantic Big Bang that occurred.
	Is that roughly correct?
	In other words, you're actually looking back in time, as well as space.
	Yeah, right.
	As you look further out, right.
	And the look back time is now thought to be somewhere between 13 and 15 billion years or something like that.
	Right.
	And one of the difficulties now that's come up with Hubble Telescope, they find galaxies that are so far away that they would have to have been at that time, let's see, about 500,000 years old compared to the time of the Big Bang.
	And there's just not enough time for the stars to form.
	In fact, some of these galaxies have what looks like, what is it?
	Globular clusters, which should be something like 13 to 15 billion years old.
	And yet they're maybe a billion years from the time of the Big Bang.
	So you have these major inconsistencies of the theory.
	What do you favor instead of the Big Bang?
	Do you favor a steady state kind of theory?
	In other words, it's all here, it's always been here, or the process of creation is ongoing?
	Ongoing creation, right.
	Ongoing creation.
	Continuous creation.
	Well, I know the Hubble telescope, and I've got some interesting news on the Hubble, but the Hubble has taken some amazing photographs of these giant gaseous areas that appear to be birthing stars.
	And they actually have shown us photographs, I'm sure you've seen them, of stars apparently being born.
	Is that what you think is happening?
	Okay, when they talk about stars being born, it's usually a star with a lot of gas and dust around it.
	Right.
	They're usually very luminous.
	And one example of this is called a Tetris star.
	And I guess this was the first archetypal star that they put in this category of star birthing.
	They were assuming the gas was condensing to form the star.
	There's a different theory, though, explaining the same observations.
	And that is, not that the star is forming, but rather than accreting gas, it's not that It's in the process of being formed.
	It could be a star, just like our sun, that was enveloped by dust.
	And it's that dust that's falling onto the star and energizing its surface that's responsible for its activity.
	All right, Doctor.
	Hold it right there.
	Dr. Paul LaViolette is my guest.
	As I mentioned to you in his field, he certainly is a heavyweight.
	Earth Under Fire and Beyond the Big Bang are his books, if you want to know more about them.
	We've got a link to his books on my website, if you can make it in, as well as a link to his website.
	We'll be telling you all about that.
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	Good evening, or good morning, everybody.
	Morning for most of you.
	Paul Lovilot is my guest, Dr. Paul Lovilot.
	And he'll be right back, and we're talking about the beginnings of it all, and so much more.
	And I've got some really fascinating news on the Hubble Telescope.
	Oh, my!
	We'll get Paul's reaction to it.
	He may not know about it.
	But there is more Hubble trouble, folks.
	Big trouble.
	We'll be right back.
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	He'll be here at the end of the week.
	You're not going to want to miss that.
	Once again, Dr. Paul LeViolette.
	Doctor, welcome back.
	I want to read you a fax and get your reaction to it.
	Last Monday night at about 8.45 p.m.
	Central Time, this comes from Omaha, I was watching the Discovery Channel when they had one of their ABC Discovery News breaks.
	The specific subject of this break was the Hubble telescope.
	It seems that many things have suddenly gone wrong with it, and they're saying they may now have to take it offline for two years until a repair mission can be scheduled to go up to fix whatever is wrong.
	Isn't this just too special?
	At a very strange time, in other words, Here we have our finest asset for spotting incoming whatever goes down right in the middle of the winter passage of the most dangerous comet debris stream we know of.
	As I say in the facts, it's self-attached, retransmitted, weird, weird, weird, downright bizarre.
	It's no wonder we're all becoming conspiracy neurotics.
	There's damn good reason for it.
	Assigned T.S.
	in Omaha, Nebraska.
	Had you heard this, Doctor?
	No, I haven't.
	I imagine if there was this meteor stream coming through, it could damage the mirror if they had it pointed the wrong way.
	Sure.
	So maybe it's a good thing they're shutting it down.
	Who knows?
	But for two years?
	I don't know.
	That's a real loss, it's true.
	I would think they'd have a higher priority to repair it.
	Yeah, you would think so, wouldn't you?
	Yeah.
	Very strange.
	Very strange.
	Two years.
	Humbledown for two years.
	All right, well, at any rate, back for a second so I can try and make something out of this Big Bang thing.
	If the Big Bang, which is really our 20th century myth the way I look at it, if the Big Bang did not occur as popular mainstream science would now have us believe, or it did not occur as they believe, then What does that mean about their estimations of how far things are away from us?
	As far as the edge of the universe?
	Yes.
	You can say that the alternative view of a static cosmos, one that's cosmologically stationary, is that space could go on forever.
	Or certainly for a much greater distance than the Big Bang theorists talk about.
	The ancients viewed space and time as infinite.
	But they also, this is a concept that goes way back, it's the idea of the ether, that all matter and energy has emerged from a subtle substance that fills all space.
	There is really no vacuum in space.
	What we see as a vacuum is just the ether that's, in a way, smooth.
	That there actually is material in that so-called empty space.
	Well, a substance which, yeah, material of some sort, but not physical in the sense of being matter and energy.
	If you make a comparison like the waves on the ocean, so the waves would be the particles of matter, the light waves, the water would
	be the ether.
	Of course that's a mechanical comparison.
	The ancient view saw the ether as more of a transmuting substance, almost like an alchemic
	flux that was going on.
	The beauty of having an ether as the mother of the physical universe is that there is
	something existing prior to creation, which is a major failing of Big Bang Theory.
	Yes, every theoretical physicist that I've ever spoken with, that's the place where they get stuck.
	I say, well, OK, what happened one second before the Big Bang?
	And there's a long silence.
	And they generally say, well, we don't know.
	Physicists tend to be rooted in the physical.
	They're focused on the physical.
	You're familiar with the philosophy of positivism.
	There tends to be that in physics, there's a tendency to just believe what the direct
	observations indicate.
	For example, if you can see an electron by hitting it with particles of some sort or
	a proton.
	For a physicist, he would have a certain certainty that that's part of his reality.
	But if there was some ether that that particle was made out of that he could not directly measure, which we're prevented really from measuring something below the quantum level because of That's the nature of things.
	We're made out of waves.
	Other particles are made out of waves, but the tools that we use, which are made of waves, can't really see below that level.
	So to talk about that, you're inferring.
	To a physicist, he'd be afraid to do that.
	He'd consider that philosophy or metaphysics.
	But really, that's where you really have to go to understand the physical.
	It's my opinion that to understand the physical, you have to go beyond the physical.
	Well, that must get you in a lot of trouble.
	Well, it depends who it is, what their philosophy is.
	Well, mainstream science.
	That's in space that we can't see and can't feel and can't touch, but must be there.
	Scientists are beginning to refer to something called dark matter.
	Is that what we're talking about here?
	No.
	Again, that would be matter.
	In some cases, they talk about neutrinos, which is still talking about a particle.
	So in the case of what you are discussing, it's not definable.
	In any sense, we really understand as energy or a substance, a thing.
	Yes, you could think of it as kind of like a substance, but in essence it could be a process, a flux.
	If you look at things in terms of what, for example, the philosophy of Eroclitus was talking Now, one thing that might pop into people's minds is if you propose an ether, isn't that contradicting special relativity?
	Special relativity was advanced as an alternative to the ether concept.
	There was an experiment done at the end of the 19th century, Michelson-Morley experiment, where they found that whichever way they measured, they bounce a light
	back and forth from a mirror, and they found that the two-way velocity of light was
	constant, whichever way they turned their apparatus. Now there's been experiments done which
	show that the assumption of constancy of velocity of light, which Einstein made, now Einstein was
	talking about the one-way velocity of light, not two-way, may be wrong. Right.
	That light may not be a constant.
	Right.
	One of these experiments is the Sagnac experiments, where they had light beams going in opposite directions around a ring, and they would spin the ring very fast, and they found that the two beams, as they met, the two laser beams, they would form an interference pattern.
	And that pattern would shift, depending on the velocity with which you spin the ring.
	And through that they could actually know, even if you turned the ring very slowly, it would still register.
	In fact, these are used for guiding airplanes.
	We use them every day in the airplanes we fly as guidance systems.
	And yet the whole process is counter to what relativity is saying.
	Another experiment is the silver tooth experiment.
	which is another version of the Sagnac experiment, but it's done on a linear geometry.
	And he shows that depending on which direction he points his apparatus,
	he gets a change of this interference pattern of two counter-propagating laser beams.
	And that's not supposed to happen if light has a constant velocity.
	But if what you're saying is true, if we have a steady-state universe,
	and if the velocity of light is not a constant, then everything we know or we think we know about how far
	things are away could be drastically wrong.
	Right, yeah.
	Well, you so understate that.
	You say, right, yeah.
	That's a drastic understatement.
	I mean, that's virtually everything we know or think we know is wrong.
	Yeah, it's kind of like we're living in a paradigm that's been fed to us by physicists and academics.
	It's a view of things that has certain self-consistency if they ignore all the contradictory evidence.
	It's something that is kind of self-sustaining.
	It tends to support itself.
	You're not going to see somebody in a university saying, well, it seems that the theories I'm teaching are wrong.
	All the theories of cosmology we've been teaching our students here are really a bunch of baloney.
	What parents are going to send their kids to that university?
	So there's this tendency to try to support the current views.
	And that's part of the reason the change is so slow.
	A lot of astronomers know there's problems with the Big Bang, and yet they keep teaching it in the colleges.
	All right, from Florida today, let me read you this, Associated Press.
	Astronomers have detected a small galaxy 12.3 billion light years from Earth, the most distant object ever seen, and say they're on the brink of seeing things even farther away and closer to the Big Bang Beginning of the universe.
	Quoting an astronomer from the University of Hawaii, we've already got some candidate objects that are even farther away.
	We are looking now about 94% of the distance back to the Big Bang.
	Let's see, 94%, let's say 95%, so that's 20 to 1.
	So if the universe was What, 10 billion or so?
	Maybe a little more?
	We're talking about a 600,000 year old galaxy.
	This is what I was talking about.
	How is it that you get such a fully developed galaxy in such a short time with Big Bang Theory?
	Now with a continuous creation theory where you don't put a wall on time because that's what the Big Bang Theory is doing.
	It's kind of like with Big Bang, we're still in the Aristotelian Crystal and Sphere.
	You're familiar with that concept?
	No, I'm not.
	In the Middle Ages, the idea that Earth was surrounded with a crystal and sphere and the stars were kind of light textures out there on this sphere.
	And then the planets were in the middle with the Earth at the center.
	I see.
	And the sun revolving around.
	We've gotten that sphere expanded to a larger radius, but still It seems like maybe some people are uncomfortable with the idea of vastness.
	Even at 15 billion or 13 billion light years, they need some feeling that there's an edge to things.
	In other words, as they try and contemplate a vastness that they cannot contemplate, they must want their brains to be comfortable.
	must come up with an answer that says there is an edge to it, and we're almost there, and there would be nothing essentially visible beyond that.
	There would be a wall.
	Yeah, now think of this.
	As you're going out from our planet, our galaxy, billions and billions of light years, suppose that you're dealing with a continuous creation universe now, where galaxies are gradually growing in size.
	As you go out, you'd expect, for example, spiral galaxies to be more compact.
	The spiral arm's not as fully developed.
	You wouldn't expect to see large elliptical galaxies.
	This is exactly what Hubble Telescope sees when they look out there.
	They see fewer large spirals, and they tend to be what are called dwarf spirals, where the arms are kind of contorted and very close to the central bulge and they see a lot of dwarf ellipticals.
	This is the kind of scenario you would have if a galaxy was formed from the inside out.
	In other words, it was producing matter from within and as a result of explosive activity
	at its core would blow this material out to form spiral arms.
	I had actually made this prediction in 1985 about what they would see with the Hubble
	telescope and this was in fact borne out with their observations.
	It's a thing that's puzzled them because they can't explain how galaxies would have this evolution pattern.
	Now, as you keep going out, eventually you come to a point where you don't even have stars formed, it'd just be gas.
	If you imagine a situation where particles are emerging spontaneously in space, that's how this creation would evolve.
	So let's reverse it now from a beginning where there was just a vacuum, but really an ether there occupying the vacuum.
	Not really a vacuum, but an ether that's a smooth surface.
	To us, it looks like there's nothing there, but really it's the ether.
	Out of that, imagine waves begin to form.
	These are the particles of matter.
	They spring spontaneously into being.
	How this happens can be explained in a logical way.
	Something that modern cosmology doesn't do is explain how the particles come into being.
	The physics I've developed is called subquantum kinetics.
	It does explain how All right, but there has to be... I interview a man whose name is Richard Hoagland.
	I don't know whether you've heard the name or not.
	that it's engaging in processes.
	Yes.
	All right, but there has to be...
	I interview a man whose name is Richard Hoagland.
	I don't know whether you've heard the name or not.
	Yes.
	He talks of something called hyperdimensional physics, which would seem to explain some
	of what you're...
	You have to go to higher dimensions to understand this.
	It's something that takes a little time, a little visualization.
	As I was working at this, it took me a while to begin to think in these terms.
	We're here rooted in a three-dimensional reality, and to think of a fourth-dimensional flux, It takes a little stretching of the mind, a little exercise of imagination.
	Yes, it does.
	And not everyone can do that.
	You find just like some people are better at physical tasks than others at mental tasks, you find even people's minds work differently.
	Some are better at abstract thought, others at visualizing things, others at auditory.
	What I find for those who are unable to visualize what you and I are trying to talk about right now, what you are trying to explain, is that they get angry.
	Have you noted that sort of reaction among those who just don't seem able to grasp?
	You're trying to explain something.
	You see it because you've taken all the steps to get there and it's a holistic perspective for you.
	But for somebody who hasn't made that series of steps and you start saying the first few steps, they're seeing what you're saying from their perspective.
	And they see that it doesn't match with the way they see things.
	So they're not willing to follow you.
	And the reaction is anger?
	Very often.
	Yeah, they lash out.
	They get very, very angry.
	I run into it all the time.
	All right, hold on, Doctor.
	We're at the top of the hour.
	And you can take a significant rest here.
	Dr. Paul LaViolette is my guest.
	He's a heavyweight in his field, and he's saying some things that traditional science Absolutely does not embrace.
	But frankly, if you're listening carefully, you've heard them before.
	There have been others that have said things like the good doctor is saying tonight.
	Is your mind that open?
	Can you grasp the possibility of more than you can see in the immediate?
	A lot of people can't.
	But if you can, then you can grasp what really did happen versus what they're telling us happened.
	We'll be right back.
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	Now we take you back to the night of November 10th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Now, back to Dr. LaViolette.
	So, Dr., when Earth got hit, Not long ago, earlier this year, science made a big deal out of it with this incredible gamma-ray burst.
	They suggested that in a short moment, it was nearly as strong as the original Big Bang explosion, or very close to it.
	And they suggested that it came from a very long distance, a very, very, very far away.
	Now, would you take issue with that, based on what you've told us about Well, there are big bangs in the universe.
	It's just not one big, one particular big bang.
	would that there was no big bang frankly and the things may not be as far away as
	we think and that the speed of light may not be constant couldn't they be all wrong about this explosion
	there were there are big bangs in the universe is uh...
	just not one big particular
	big-backed that's the fact and these occur
	primarily the centers of galaxies although in some cases outside the centers there's
	uh...
	very massive stars that do the same sort of thing
	If you look at... Astronomers have been studying this phenomenon for some time.
	It's called galactic core explosion phenomenon.
	They look at certain galaxies and they see that the core is extremely bright.
	Giving off cosmic rays, x-rays, gamma rays, immense amounts of energy.
	In some cases, the energy coming from the center can be a hundred or a thousand times more than is coming from the whole galaxy.
	In these cases, they call it a quasar.
	For a long time, they thought quasars were just on their own, unusual objects that weren't related to galaxies.
	Got better and better telescopes.
	They saw all quasars are really at the centers of galaxies.
	In fact, they fit this idea that the core is in an explosive state.
	OK.
	So what what happened here at a great distance away where it could have been a galactic core explosion or Maybe a satellite galaxy.
	I think they said it was a little off to the side from the center of the one galaxy they were thinking about.
	But even in our own galaxy, for example, not only is there intense activity at the core, but also we find in the spiral arm regions very energetic objects.
	From time to time these are going to explode.
	In this continuous creation science, you view space, the ether, as a non-linear system, where energy and matter are continuously being created.
	In areas of very condensed matter, where you have a deep gravity well, this process goes much more rapidly.
	Throwing out ideas here, which I guess I don't have time to get into detail to substantiate how it is.
	But if you think of it in terms of a nuclear reactor, that's an example of a nonlinear system.
	Nuclear reactor, the reaction can either peter out or it can go supercritical, explode, or you can keep it sort of in a steady state condition.
	Correct.
	Well, in this physics, Gravity is what determines the criticality of the system.
	And within a galaxy where you have a gravity well, you're going to have supercritical region.
	And as you go out away from in between the galaxies, where gravity potential is greater, it's not as negative, there you're going to be having a subcritical region.
	And as a result, photons Coming from distant galaxies will tend to lose energy in the subcritical region.
	The energy would tend to peter out.
	There you can explain what astronomers have been calling the cosmological redshift.
	You don't need expansion of the universe to explain that.
	On the other hand, within the galaxy, you get blue-shifting of photons with this physics and matter creation.
	Particularly within stars and very massive stars like for example the center of galaxies
	Our own galaxy they believe there's a mass there. That's a couple million solar masses
	And other galaxies can be as high as a billion solar masses from the calculations they do
	Now physicists have proposed the idea of black hole being at the center of these
	Various galaxies, that's right because they can't explain it any other way fusion doesn't can't produce enough energy
	energy.
	The idea of a, let's say, a neutron star with matter falling onto the surface, even that doesn't produce enough energy.
	And so they were very happy when Stephen Hawking came along and showed how general relativity could form this black hole idea.
	Because then they could produce this energy and explain what they're seeing.
	Now, the thing is that you don't really need a black hole to do that.
	Going to this reaction kinetic physics, which is what the ancients had, and it's quite amazing because it's a very sophisticated view of microphysics.
	Now, when you say ancients, what do you mean?
	Okay, well, as I developed this, and it's coming from applying systems concepts.
	These are concepts that we just discovered in the last 50, 60 years.
	For example, thermodynamic concepts of open system.
	For example, open system is our bodies.
	We have continual input and output.
	As a result of the throughput, we are able to maintain the order of our bodies.
	You see that in virtually every system in nature.
	For example, society has to maintain itself through activity.
	Tornado, hurricane, candle flame, you can go on and on.
	the examples of this, except you come to the level of the of microphysics, you know, things like
	We well, we see the hierarchy of nature the galaxies being formed of
	Stars you you have below that level star clusters and so on you keep going down
	the levels of nature and finally you come to the particles and
	physicists have just arbitrarily assumed that this these are
	There are objects that don't.
	They're not open systems.
	They're really closed systems, the way physicists look at it.
	The thing that's unusual about physics is that it's at a level, microphysics, at a level we can't see really what's going on.
	In the levels we can see what's going on, we see that systems are organized as open systems.
	They require this throughput, this flux.
	Now the ancients did that, I believe.
	They inferred, like I did, that even though we can't really see what's going on at the microphysical level, wouldn't it be normal that nature operates in a similar fashion, and that matter and energy are examples of open systems?
	That the ether is really a never-ending flux that's going on, and as long as that flux continues, The physical world is maintained.
	You see that concept in Hindu myths, for example.
	The idea of Vishnu dreaming.
	The idea of dreaming is a concept of process.
	And as the dream continues, the maya is generated, the physical universe.
	And then when he awakens, maya dissolves.
	It's not that there's nothing at that point.
	It's just the physical universe, those waves and ether dissipate.
	And you realize all along you were Vishnu dreaming.
	So when you refer to ancients?
	Well, this goes back to the Ice Age, the source of this knowledge.
	I believe that it was lost due to a major cataclysm that happened to the planet.
	There appears to be a major effort to encode this science of creation in myths, in particular creation myths.
	You find it in the ancient Egyptian myth of Atum, also in the story of Osiris.
	You find it in the Greek creation myth of how Zeus and his brothers and sisters created the world, the universe.
	You find it in the Mesopotamian creation myth, the Babylonian creation epic.
	It's in the I Ching metaphysics.
	You find it in the Tarot, also in astrology.
	The first thing that cued me into this ancient science was the Tarot.
	I was explaining my theory of physics, which is based on this idea of a reaction Kinetic Ether Ether that's engaged in process in certain way.
	You can actually describe the processes that involves a looping process with two variables like an X and Y, where the X transmutes into the Y and the Y transmutes into the X. And when you have a system like that has a self-closing loop, you have the possibility for the two states to oscillate.
	And this this is an example of a nonlinear system.
	And as soon as you get that possibility of unevenness to develop, like X going up when Y goes down, and the opposite, it evolves to the opposite where X goes up and Y goes down, you can produce a wave pattern with that.
	In fact, they've simulated these reaction systems on the computer and they produce wave patterns.
	The idea I had was to apply these concepts that come out of chemistry, reaction kinetics, to physics.
	And now these are things that we just discovered in the last 50 years or so.
	The idea of chemical waves, whereas physics traditionally is based on the idea of mechanical waves, which is a closed system idea.
	Now, I was explaining this whole physics, which it's a whole paradigm shift involved to go to this.
	And by the way, I should mention, I've made many predictions with this.
	They've been right on target.
	Later, they made discoveries exactly I was explaining this to a friend and she said that sounds
	a lot like the tarot metaphysics, the general concepts of what you are saying.
	So I thought, geez, I have to take a course in this.
	I found a course in Cambridge, Boston area.
	As the teacher was explaining the concepts, I saw this physics being explained with the
	concepts in the right order.
	And that totally blew me away.
	It was such a crystal clear representation of this science, but in symbolic terms.
	In other words, let me explain.
	Maybe I should go into the tarot.
	A lot of people might not be familiar with that, what it is.
	The tarot comes through Europe from the Gypsies, had brought this to the Europe area.
	It's using fortune telling.
	It has 22 picture cards and there's a manuscript that's attributed to Iamblichus, a Neoplatonist philosopher from the 4th century A.D.
	This describes an Egyptian initiation ceremony of initiation into the Assyrian mysteries
	where they talk about frescoes hung on the walls of a chamber.
	There are 22 of them and the descriptions match the 22 arcana of the tarot.
	So it's believed that tarot is actually a rendering of this knowledge that the priests
	were indoctrinated into.
	In this document it talks about this being depicting the science of will, which is really
	the science of process in a way, because will is the idea of directed activity.
	And as you get into this you see that the first arcana from one through four.
	One through five, they're talking about the etheric processes that are going on and how they're ordered.
	This idea of two processes being interlinked into a loop.
	And then the last half, going from Arcana 6 through 10, is talking about how fluctuations present in the ether are amplified by this looping process and grows into a wave pattern.
	So you see in studying the Tarot that whoever designed us, and this appears to go back at least to ancient Egypt and probably most likely further back because the tradition says the Egyptians were preserving this from a more ancient time.
	You see that whoever designed us had a wave theory of matter.
	It's traditionally said that the first 11 arcana of the Tarot Zero through ten are talking about the creation of the physical universe.
	So this is knowledge once known, lost somehow.
	Right.
	And it's acknowledged that that tarot has a lost science.
	It's sort of like we're left with equations without the explanation.
	And tarotists have been trying to figure out what it means.
	And it's just that we have finally We've come to the level at which we can understand this now.
	Just in the last 50 years we've developed that science that's encoded there.
	Your other book is Earth Under Fire.
	And I think that it generally embraces the concept that we go through catastrophic cycles.
	Right.
	Is that accurate?
	Right, yes.
	Involving galactic core explosions affecting the Earth.
	There are a number of Israeli scientists right now that believe that the dinosaurs were not, as traditionally thought, killed off by the KT event.
	Something big, crisp, smashing into the earth, but rather were irradiated to death, virtually irradiated to death.
	Would you agree with that possibility?
	Well, Okay, they're talking about a close-by supernova.
	I think that supernovas, they do happen, but the chances of a close supernova are very slim.
	The closer the star is to you, the probability of it exploding are much, much lower.
	I mean, we see supernova going on in our galaxy, but there's a hundred What is it, 100 billion stars there?
	So the chances of one going off close enough to fry the dinosaurs, you're talking about maybe once every 500 million years, maybe something like that could happen.
	But what I see as more likely causes much more frequent of that is the galactic core explosions.
	These we see going on in other galactic cores.
	In other words, again, that gamma ray burst that we detected recently.
	Like that.
	Oh, much more powerful.
	I mean, we're talking about, that was like a flea compared to a galactic core explosion.
	Now, if that explosion, let me just put this in perspective, had happened in our own galaxy, at the core of our galaxy, we would be toast.
	It would have sterilized all life in the galaxy.
	Sterilized.
	Sterilized.
	All life in the galaxy.
	Yeah.
	All life.
	Right down to the microbes.
	Whatever was facing that direction at the time that blast came through, the other side of the planet would have survived, but that side wouldn't.
	All right, Doctor.
	Hold on.
	Periodic, catastrophic events.
	I wonder how close we are to one.
	Don't you?
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	The other way.
	Just to let it happen.
	I also believe that some bigger groups got involved with Al-Qaeda to do what they did on that horrible day.
	This wasn't just a small group of people who came in and did their thing.
	There was a much bigger picture there.
	And if you see the events that have unfolded since this tragedy occurred, how we've lost rights, how we used it to go into Afghanistan and Iraq, and how it has really not stopped.
	Because it's going to continue.
	We're going to have more and more episodes, and more and more involvement in other countries.
	And just mark my word, this planet is going through an incredible change.
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	Back now to Professor LaViolette.
	Professor, welcome back.
	We've got to try as best we can to find ways to explain things to the great unwashed, and I include myself in that scientifically.
	I'm not grasping all of it.
	I'm listening.
	And I'm sure what you're saying is scientifically accurate and that a lot of people in science out there are tracking with you.
	I'm not fully.
	I am partially.
	A question for you.
	Please ask your guest a comment concerning two Australian scientists named Barry Sutterfield and Trevor Norman and their theory that the speed of light is slowing down.
	They claim not only Well, the speed of light, I believe, is influenced by gravity.
	So, if gravity potential is changing, this would change the speed of light.
	ten times as fast or more?
	Yes.
	One way to interpret it is to say space is warped.
	That's what Einstein suggested.
	Another way is to say that gravity refracts light.
	In other words, that light will travel slower on the side closer to the sun than further away.
	This will cause a bending also.
	Again, variable.
	Right.
	So Einstein opted for constancy of velocity of light instead of warped space.
	The other alternative is that light velocity isn't constant and instead it's influenced by gravity.
	Right now on our Earth, a far more mundane subject I suppose,
	we seem to be going through a rather unusual period of time right now.
	right now.
	But in this short period of time I've been here, I'm beginning to see tremendous environmental change.
	It's very controversial, but it would appear that the planet is warming.
	We've got big pieces of ice in the Antarctic breaking off.
	We've got ice flows in unbelievable retreats.
	We're experiencing magnetic anomalies that are causing homing pigeons to not go home.
	A lot of really weird things are going on with our environment right now.
	Any comments at all?
	Well, I really can't explain what's happening right now, except to say maybe it has something to do with the greenhouse effect.
	This is nothing compared to what our ancestors went through at the end of the Ice Age.
	time when the human race is nearly extinguished.
	You hear this in the myths, and I believe it's due to one of these core explosion events.
	What got me involved in this was discovering this ancient science encoded in the zodiac And discovering that not only was the Zodiac talking about matter energy creation, but it also had pointers pointing to the galactic center.
	Constellations of Sagittarius and Scorpio.
	You have Sagittarius with his arrow drawn, and myth says that he's aiming at the heart of the scorpion.
	And you look at the stinger of the scorpion, and it's directed up, and those two trajectories cross.
	about where the Galactic Center is.
	It's just amazing because how would they have known?
	It took us with radio telescopes to find this.
	Either the Galactic Center was luminous in those ancient times, in other words, we were going through a core explosion event, or they had some very sophisticated radio astronomy.
	Which do you imagine to be the case?
	Well, actually both.
	I think that there's indications in the Zodiac of a knowledge comparable to our own.
	For example, in the Virgo constellation, Virgo is pointing to the center of the local galactic supercluster.
	At a point in the message, if you study what the symbology of the Zodiac lore is talking Virgo is the part where it's talking about the matter being created and forming galaxies, and here she's illustrating by pointing to the center of the local supercluster, the biggest cluster of galaxies that we're a part of, the nearest galaxy clusters conglomeration.
	You also see the cosmic background radiation encoded in the zodiac.
	Directions in which it's hotter and cooler.
	So you're really saying then that Earth, and not just Earth, but all that is, goes through a period of catastrophic destruction, near complete or complete destruction, and then life springs forth again, or life barely makes it through, but whatever civilization or Yeah, and people are writing a lot of books theorizing what was the cause of this.
	Some people are suggesting comets.
	Other people suggest some sort of unusual shift in the poles.
	Now, in my case, I was fortunate enough to discover this message that was sent from, I believe, as far back as 16,000 years ago, although it was in construction from about 16,000 years ago to about 11,000 years ago.
	What message would that be?
	That's the zodiac, and astrology lore that's connected with it.
	And it also includes other constellations that were put up there.
	You know, I was in Rome last year, and I went to the Vatican, and I went to the Sistine Chapel.
	And as you walk in the front door of the Sistine Chapel, The first thing you see is a gigantic globe with the signs of the Zodiac on it.
	It is remarkable, and it stops you cold.
	You wouldn't think that Catholicism would embrace the Zodiac signs, but there it is, Doctor, right as you walk into the Sistine Chapel.
	It's a real shocker.
	If you look at St.
	Paul's Cathedral there, Rome at the Vatican, right at the four corners of the central place where the architecture crosses there.
	You see the four, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, and they have the symbols of the four fixed signs of the Zodiac, which form the Sphinx, the astrological Sphinx.
	What I found is that the Sphinx is the key to unlocking the Zodiac message, and the Zodiac itself is In the form of a cryptogram.
	We use this type of technique for communicating to extraterrestrial civilizations with our message that we sent out on Pioneer 10.
	In doing that you put your message as a puzzle and you provide a way to solve the puzzle.
	A key.
	Right.
	And you provide also a check mechanism so once the other party has deciphered, has rearranged whatever it is, if they've done it right The Zodiac was designed with this same technique.
	It's just incredibly sophisticated.
	It is a way of transmitting knowledge to a civilization that doesn't know your language
	because then they know that they have correctly understood what you intended to say.
	The Zodiac was designed with this same technique.
	It's just incredibly sophisticated when you understand how it was put together.
	It makes our message look like child's play compared to the level of design that was put
	into the Zodiac.
	By the way, I might mention that this is deciphered both in my book Beyond the Big Bang and in Earth Under Fire.
	Earth Under Fire, it completes the deciphering and showing how the Zodiac is actually a message talking about this galactic explosion event and how it affected the Earth, how there was a cosmic ray volley came through our solar system at the end of the ice age and
	it's a recurrent phenomenon, something we should be concerned about for the future.
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	In fact, you can take orders now because it will be just in a matter of weeks, really, they can start delivering.
	The number for that is 1-800-720-2114.
	This is a video of Earth Under Fire.
	From what I hear, I haven't seen it myself yet, but I understand it's very Powerful piece.
	Again, that's 1-800-720-2114.
	So, what you find is that there was an effort made to communicate about this phenomenon to the future.
	It's something that doesn't happen that often.
	In fact, if you look at the ice core record, You find evidence of these cosmic ray peaks with a periodicity of about 26,000 years plus or minus several thousand years.
	And there's also a 13,000 year period in there.
	These are things that I ended up looking for once I had deciphered the message.
	In fact, I did this work for my Ph.D.
	to check out this because this was at a time when we were believing that the Galaxy is kind of a calm place.
	Nothing really ever happens to the Earth.
	It was later that we started getting woken up to this idea when they found that the dinosaurs were wiped out by a comet or asteroid hitting the Earth.
	But the general prevailing view was one of more or less calmness in the galaxy.
	We saw these galactic core explosions going on in other galaxies, but it took astronomers a while to finally admit that they happened at the center of our own galaxy.
	And even then they were saying, oh, maybe these happen once every few hundred million years, and we're now in a quiescent period.
	And even if they did happen, the cosmic rays wouldn't reach us.
	They'd be trapped by magnetic fields in the core.
	And what this message was saying with the constellations, it was referring to a wave of energy that actually came from the galactic center and swept towards us at the speed of light.
	And in fact, you can see where it is now.
	It's past us.
	It passed by at the end of the ice age.
	And you can plot out where this is in the galaxy and you see energetic phenomena going on in that region.
	In fact, as it travels through the galaxy, it triggers supernova.
	Is there, Doctor, any way to predict when the next wave might come?
	Well, not exactly the time, because this is something that travels at the speed of light.
	Like now we're looking toward the galactic center.
	One of these superwaves, I call them, galactic superwaves, could be five light years away, and we wouldn't know it, because the cosmic rays are traveling as fast as the light Probably.
	Five light years away.
	Now, if my understanding of light years is correct, it would be, you're saying it could be headed toward us five light years out, and in five Earth years, we would be toast.
	You get the initial gamma ray flash, kind of like what happened with that satellite detection, but much larger.
	Much larger.
	Not something that would necessarily pass through the whole galaxy, but it could.
	What would be the physical effects on Earth, or our sun, or all we know if it hit?
	Okay, looking at what happened before, and this is piecing together evidence from geology, astronomy, paleontology, and mythology, because myths turn out to be a really important source of knowledge.
	Yes, sir.
	We've been dismissing them as false tales because we haven't had the context in which to put that.
	As soon as you start becoming aware of this phenomenon, you see how it all makes sense.
	What would happen is that these are mainly cosmic ray electrons.
	They form now what's called the galactic radio background radiation.
	If you astronomers look out there, they see a band of radio radiation around the galaxy, which they admit is created by cosmic rays.
	And if you plot that distribution of intensity, you find it matches an elliptical shell form.
	Which is exactly the kind of shape this would have.
	Normally, if we were to look instantaneously at it, it would be spherical, but because you have to take account of the time for light to travel to us, it ends up distorting it into an elliptical shape.
	Fair enough.
	If it were to hit?
	It would push cosmic dust into the solar system from outside.
	Right now, we're within The edge of a supernova remnant called the North Polar Spur.
	This is not something that's typical for us.
	It's something that's been happening for the last three million years or so, that we've been through this region that's very dusty.
	And because of that, the whole phenomenon has made much worse.
	Whereas the cosmic rays themselves might raise genetic mutation rate, maybe double it or triple it if it hit.
	Of course, the gamma ray flash would do a lot higher mutation rates, but the cosmic rays themselves aren't that strong to, for example, influence climate.
	However, the dust that they would end up bringing in would be, and that would do all sorts of things.
	It would change our climate.
	Right.
	It would start scattering light onto the earth, which would actually be a warming effect.
	I coined the word Interplanetary hothouse effect.
	You mean kind of like we're having right now, only magnified?
	Right.
	If you can imagine a comet tail, what that looks like, imagine that's all over the sky.
	So you wouldn't be able to see stars anymore.
	Wow.
	Doctor, hold on, we'll be right back.
	And when we do get back, we'll finish this up and then begin to take calls.
	So if you have questions for Dr. Lavaila, now would be a great time to come.
	And I see you're already here.
	Phone lines have been full for some time.
	We'll be right back.
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	Back now to Dr. LaViolette.
	Doctor, this is a kind of an interesting fax.
	It's from a fellow I know named Doug Selsom.
	who wrote a song for me.
	It says, Art Paul, what about the implications of a steady state universe for ETs?
	They'd have had an infinite amount of time to develop to an infinitely advanced state and an infinitely long time to get here from an infinitely long distance.
	With a big bang, one can keep one's head in the sand and at least pretend that we might be the only life in the universe.
	Well, I'm not saying steady state.
	I'm saying continuous creation, which had a beginning for this phase of creation.
	More along the lines of the Hindu concept that there are cycles of creation.
	So, let's say that for the last trillion years, matter has been developing out of the ether.
	And before that, the ether was still there, but calm.
	But if we go further back, let's say another 10 trillion years back, maybe we would encounter a time when, again, creation was in existence.
	Sort of like the idea of Vishnu dreaming.
	Sometimes he wakes up and then he goes to sleep again.
	So while he's sleep dreaming, the particles begin forming.
	They gather.
	They form stars, galaxies.
	Spiral galaxy, arms thrown out, planets develop life and so on.
	Consciousness emerges in the context of living in a three dimensional world.
	Hopefully remembering that it's tied at the higher level and that if all is dissipated I believe that.
	essence would still be there.
	So you could imagine these cycles going on.
	I don't think in the physical sense that you'd be able to communicate information from a
	previous cycle of creation to the next.
	However, I believe that...
	Is that not what may lie below the sinks?
	What?
	What are you saying?
	A communication from a previous creation.
	Well, here I'm talking about tens of trillions of years.
	Well, that's true.
	Indeed, we're talking on shorter timescales of going back to the Ice Age period.
	I believe that there is this knowledge that's encoded in things like the Sphinx and the Pyramids.
	My view about the pyramids is that they are memorial to this cataclysm that occurred on the earth.
	This ties in with the Orion constellation.
	You have a myth of Orion getting stung by a scorpion and being placed as a constellation.
	There's another myth about Horus, the son of Osiris, becoming stung by a scorpion and bringing darkness to the world.
	He finally revives, driving the poison out.
	The poison would be this cosmic dust that's occluding the sun.
	That's tied, again, with these constellations and Scorpius, the galactic center.
	You see that the Egyptian lore had this knowledge encoded.
	It was passing it down.
	All right, um, let's go back to the phones.
	First time color line, uh, you're on the air with Dr. LaViolette.
	Hi.
	Who's that to me?
	That would be you.
	Okay.
	Uh, it's like, uh, still the news on the radio.
	Uh, where are you?
	Uh, Oshkosh, Wisconsin.
	All right.
	I have a question about the zodiac.
	Are the birthstones necessarily related to the zodiac?
	Maybe an astrologer can answer that question.
	My approach has been to look at the symbolism of the zodiac lore and astrological lore.
	Traditionally, of course, it's used for casting of natal horoscopes.
	And what I'm finding is that there's this other dimension, you might say, to the astrological lore that it's transmitting this science of creation, actually talking about the birth of the universe.
	So whereas we apply it to the birth of individuals, the metaphysical message that's encoded in there is on a larger scale.
	And in fact, at the same time, talking about something that happens periodically that greatly affects life and is
	responsible for the evolution of life on our planet, these galactic core explosions.
	If indeed astrology works as a predictor of human personality at birth, it is something
	to wonder about.
	All these aspects being encoded, you would wonder if it really does work.
	Maybe people's souls are actually incarnating at certain times, depending on that particular birthday.
	You're going to have to stay good and close to the phone for us.
	That's very important.
	In other words, somehow there's a connection between the beyond, the spiritual beyond, the physical to maintain astrology
	somehow so that there's a correspondence between people's birth charts and the actual constellations.
	I'm just taking the side of an astrologer who would say that there's credence to this.
	Do the casual observer of what you believe occurs with these waves and this constant creation and destruction
	and creation?
	The casual observer would not see any sense to it.
	The casual observer would not be able to grasp it and understand it in a meaningful way.
	Now, you sort of toss in the immortal soul for us to hold on to, but otherwise it seems like sort of a senseless, cyclical creation without advancement or change past a certain point.
	Which could well account for why E.T.
	is not here, because E.T.' 's going through the same damn thing, getting sterilized every now and then.
	Right?
	Well, I don't think it's... Okay, it's not as bad as that event that occurred at the distant galaxy.
	Galaxies were much more active in earlier times, and the outbursts were a lot stronger.
	The event that happened 13,000 years ago, approximately, was probably one of the stronger events in some time because if you look further back you don't see extinctions as widespread as happened.
	We experienced at that time the worst extinction in 65 million years since the time of the dinosaurs.
	If you look at the number of animals that died and the variety of species.
	I would be surprised if it was going to be that serious for a while.
	We might have to go through many cycles before we get another one like that.
	There are things that can be done to alleviate the consequences, which would be setting up a force field in space to deflect the cosmic rays before they get to the Earth, before they even get to the solar system.
	And there's technologies Which you can use to do that.
	Tesla technologies, which are presently classified, are used for electromagnetic warfare purposes.
	They're being developed for those purposes.
	I think we have a higher purpose here, a responsibility to develop these to protect or to be ready to protect our solar system if such an event were to occur.
	It may sound like science fiction, but these technologies are quite amazing what they can do done on a large scale.
	Remember, this is something that affects all stars in the galaxy.
	So it's not just our planet's solar system that's gone through this.
	I'd like to suggest this as a thought.
	ETs are going to be communicating to us.
	We have the SETI program.
	They're looking for signals.
	What are they going to be talking about?
	They're going to pick something that's the common denominator.
	Something that everyone in the galaxy experiences.
	That's the first rule in extraterrestrial communication.
	You want to pick something that's common between you and the other party.
	So what would you imagine that to be?
	Well, the last super wave.
	I believe that there is a need to communicate knowledge about that.
	There is probably a warning system set up.
	I get into that in my next book, which I don't want to talk too much about.
	Alright.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Dr. LaViolette.
	Hi.
	My name is Carla and I'm calling from Fort Smith, Arkansas.
	Hello, Carla.
	Hi, how are you doing?
	Fine.
	I've been talking so much here lately, I've just about lost my voice.
	But anyway, I have a question.
	I have always felt like that I am like different, you know.
	And my family, I had a grandfather, and I never met him.
	He died the day that I came home to meet him.
	He died that day.
	So, my grandmother, she would tell me stories about that he could do like, uh, he could make things move, like wooden objects, uh, through energy, okay?
	It's called telekinesis, yes.
	And, uh, so, I, it was just natural for me to try some of these things.
	And I, I can do it.
	And my, my dad can do it.
	Like we put our hands on the table and do concentration, raise it up off the ground.
	I can look at an object... Well ma'am, this does not relate to what we're discussing tonight.
	Or if it does... What they told me is that, like, I have a bipolar disorder, okay?
	And I wrote this letter, and in this, you know, like a computer has Real time, I mean it didn't have real time and they're progressing where it has real time.
	In a bipolar disorder, your mind, like the electrons or neutrons in your brain, shoot off slow and you can't even really think and then you'll turn around.
	I mean that's one doctor's interpretation who probably isn't into too much of the metaphysical.
	These types of abilities are something that are more easily explained in this ancient science of creation.
	In other words, if you can think it, it can be.
	Right.
	Not only that, but in other words, your mind or your unconscious somehow is controlling the fields of your body at an etheric level.
	There's more to your body than just the physical.
	There's an aura or whatever that extends outward.
	If a person has the ability to learn to manipulate that, you can, for example, create etheric gradients in the vicinity of an object and cause it to move.
	When I say a gradient, I mean, in other words, a force field.
	What is a force field?
	What are you doing?
	You're making a gradient in the ether.
	In this science, it actually can explain what force is, why it causes things to move.
	This is something that physics doesn't do.
	It just puts the mathematical equations there, but doesn't tell you what happens.
	The best way to understand it is imagine a chemical reaction wave.
	The reactions are generating this wave pattern.
	That's the particle of matter.
	Now imagine that there's another gradient you're imposing of certain chemical ingredients that are cutting across that wave.
	That superimposed gradient is going to disturb the reactions that are going on there.
	That system itself stabilizes.
	It's going to want to readjust itself to stabilize in the context of that perturbation that you're
	imposing.
	It's always going to seek that, yes.
	The result is it ends up migrating.
	It moves in space.
	That goes on every day with electrostatic gravitational attraction.
	People have the ability to do it through will, are able to somehow create those same effects.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. LaViolette.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art Bell.
	I'm calling from New York.
	My name's Glenn.
	Yes, Glenn.
	I just have a little comment for the doctor there about the Star Wars earlier.
	That was a little bit funny.
	The guy was going about the Force and there was this little anecdote I got over the internet that Lucas was in his 20s in a car accident and he kind of created the idea of the Force because it kind of healed the spirit to get him out because he was really in a bad car accident.
	But other than his idea of talking about the Force and the universe, That's agreeable.
	It's fascinating.
	My question is, does quantum foam, I don't know if he's familiar with the term, I'm positive he is, he's a doctor, but quantum foam, what does that relate to his definition of ether, which I kind of understand, but I'm trying to get an idea.
	Quantum foam, you're taking an idea from...
	Conventional physics.
	I call it conventional.
	Okay.
	Which is based on the idea of virtual particles popping in and out of existence in pairs, sort of matter and antimatter pairs.
	This is a different concept from what would be happening in ether.
	there you have it's more the analogy of a choppy sea with concentrations, the amount
	of etherons of X, Y and G etherons, let's say, are varying in time.
	Why do they vary?
	It's because the reactions that are producing them, the way that these etherons interact
	with each other and produce new combinations, transmute, has to do with them coming together.
	And that's a stochastic process, how those happen to collide.
	And so from one moment to another, the amount of those etherons will vary radically.
	And that's what causes that choppiness.
	Does that kind of give an idea?
	Yes, you're right.
	It explains it.
	It's totally different.
	In the Hindu religion, they speak of the Aum, the sound of creation, and that relates to that.
	That happiness would be, you could say, if you could hear it, it would be like a sound, a vibration in the ether.
	All right.
	Both of you have got to hold on for a moment, and that's what you're doing, holding on, because we've got to break clock.
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	I think now, as we look back, we can probably say with pretty good certainty that some people in government might have been aware of what was going on and they turned their cheek the other way just to let it happen.
	I also believe that some bigger groups got involved with Al-Qaeda to do what they did on that horrible day.
	This wasn't just a small group of people who came in and did their thing.
	There was a much bigger picture there.
	And if you see the events that have unfolded since this tragedy occurred, how we've lost rights, how we used it to go into Afghanistan and Iraq, and how it has really not stopped, because it's going to continue.
	We're going to have more and more episodes and more and more involvement in other countries.
	And just mark my word, this planet is going through an incredible change.
	And thank God we've got you here to talk with us about it.
	Now we take you back to the night of November 10th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	♪♪♪ First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Is that me?
	That's you!
	Art, I'm so glad to hear you back.
	Thank you.
	Where are you?
	I'm calling from Michigan.
	All right.
	I've got a question for you and for the doctor.
	All right.
	Art, I sent you a book, The Gods, Gemini, and the Great Pyramid.
	Did you ever receive it?
	I haven't, indeed.
	Yes.
	To the doctor, relative to The Great Pyramid, there's been some work with extremely sharp knives that they use in surgery.
	Does your theory explain an opportunity to make a knife so sharp that it might cut through the molecules of a granite block so that those blocks didn't have to be ground but they could be cut?
	You've heard of a knife doing this?
	Or are you just saying is it possible?
	Is it possible to make a knife so sharp that it would cut through the molecules of the I don't know.
	I don't have too much expertise in material science.
	I do know that if you grow crystals, like iron crystals for example, are 100 times stronger than steel, it might be possible to fabricate something that's very thin and extremely strong.
	Who knows?
	Maybe what you're saying might be a possibility, but it could probably be done in other ways too.
	Maybe with sound waves or microwave, maser type beam of some sort.
	Doctor, I've got to ask you to speak up.
	You're kind of dropping away on me there.
	Yeah.
	I was thinking maybe it could be done through microwaves, you know, like a maser or sound waves, ultrasound.
	I think that's kind of where he was going.
	Maybe the knife was a little metaphoric, but there could be something that would do that.
	You're thinking of how the blocks were cut so smoothly?
	That's where he's going, of course, yes.
	And not just the pyramids.
	You find in South America these blocks that are fitted together with extreme precision.
	It's just amazing how it could have been done.
	I don't know.
	It's a technology that I don't think even we have.
	There's a case of the Temple of Baalbek in Syria.
	I touch on this in Beyond the Big Bang.
	Just huge colossal stones that are weighing hundreds of tons, something like 24 or 30
	feet long and 12 feet by 12 feet thick.
	You wonder how did they place these to form this temple?
	They were quarried something like a mile away and there's no evidence of a roadway leading from the quarry to the place of construction.
	So these are among the mysteries.
	Like also the Temple of the Sphinx also uses these colossal stones.
	John Anthony West writes about these stones in his book.
	serpent in the sky.
	So it just seems that there was some technology or powers were being used to make these that
	are beyond what we use today.
	Beyond indeed and may again attain one day.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. LaViolet.
	Hi.
	What does that mean?
	That's you.
	I have a statement first that kind of applies to what we've been talking about tonight.
	All right.
	And it's kind of something I wrote.
	It's three lines.
	Where are you, sir?
	I'm in Wisconsin.
	My name is Joshua.
	Okay.
	All right.
	It starts out, observing creation may kill us.
	Observing destruction may set us free.
	Observing our own ignorance may point us in the right direction.
	And I was wondering, we keep talking about this point that everything's coming to.
	Like maybe it's destruction or maybe it's creation.
	To me, that point is now and everything exists in that point of now.
	For me, the destruction of the planet Earth, the galaxy and space itself happened probably yesterday.
	To me, it's all personal.
	I don't see why everyone is looking for an end of everybody else.
	Is it just because we can't face our own death?
	That's what it seems to me and I was just wondering if either of you had any comments on that?
	I kind of agree with you that what really matters is this moment and being and being connected to the essence that's there beyond the physical and that's what's really important.
	My books tend to look more in the past so we can kind of understand what happened in our past.
	They say those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it.
	Obviously something dramatic did happen and you see the record of it left.
	As for what will happen in the future, you get different theories, different people are saying various dates and so on.
	My approach is I think we should be prepared.
	We shouldn't get scared by this.
	We should just keep cool ahead as soon as you start getting frightened.
	In fact, there is a tendency, I believe, of human nature to ignore the negative because we just want to have that kind of peaceful view on life.
	I guess that's probably what's happening with this Y2K thing.
	People just want to not imagine it's a problem.
	I know.
	Because that would make them worry and feel depressed, and then you end up having the problem.
	If we can just say, look, be a little detached about this, look at it as a phenomenon.
	It's something that happens in the galaxy.
	Other civilizations went through the same thing and other planets, and that's what determines if race evolves to a higher level.
	Because if you're going to get swatted down every time a super wave comes, you're not going to get very far, but if you're going to manage to I mean, for me, how do you know what the past is?
	future generations that this thing happens and prepare for the next one, you will advance.
	I believe that there are civilizations that did make it and I think humanity can do it
	too.
	Don't you believe that...
	I mean for me, how do you know what the past is?
	I mean I never see a fixed point which is the past and I don't see it evolving towards
	anything except right now.
	Where is this evolution?
	I don't see evolution, I guess.
	To me it's all fixed.
	It's all an illusion of movement.
	You have a perspective that goes beyond the three-dimensional realm.
	Beyond any dimension.
	Right.
	That's a very valid framework, I believe.
	Ultimately as we advance we tend towards that state of mind.
	But is that an evolution or is that just where we were the whole time?
	I believe that we were probably more aware of this sort of thing, of this higher dimensional reality that we are part of, that we had this awareness in the past.
	The human race went through a traumatic experience.
	It was nearly wiped out.
	You read these myths.
	In one case, the Indians were putting their children, a young squaw and a young brave in a canoe, a huge boat, kind of like an ark that they made, to survive the flood.
	The rest of them died.
	You see what people went through.
	You can imagine what impact this has had, just the trauma of it.
	It may take many generations for us to get back to a level of awareness or whatever that we once had.
	It sure does take somebody with some powerful rose colored glasses to look at it the way But I suppose the larger picture, if you really look at the larger picture, you can certainly look at it that way.
	But in the short term, when you're talking about generations or even millions of years before something crawls forth again, I mean, there's two different ways to look at this.
	Well, the major event was Part that was really disastrous was the coronal mass ejection hitting the earth.
	You have tales of how people were surviving in caves where they stuck a long stick out to see if it was cooled off enough.
	Every time they pulled it back, it was charred.
	Finally, after about five or six days, it was no longer charred.
	After a few more days, they went out.
	What they saw was everything was blackened.
	There were survivors.
	Many of them were smart enough to seek shelter.
	How much warning of a coronal mass ejection of that magnitude would we have?
	Well, the kind that we're getting now are small compared.
	No, I'm talking about something... If the sun was active like it was in the past.
	Probably a few days.
	They would have seen it coming.
	They would have seen this huge outburst from the sun.
	Probably it would have radiated a lot of x-rays and gamma rays initially.
	They would have, but then they knew the worst was going to hit later, which was this particle
	blast because they were probably observing this activity on the sun, these luminous balls
	being shot out into space.
	You hear myths about the dragon and the dragon burning things.
	In fact, these Indian mounds may have been fallout shelters that were built.
	You've heard about the Indian mounds in Ohio and various parts of the country.
	Inside skeletons that were incinerated and it's almost like Maybe they miscalculated didn't realize it was that's going to be that hot.
	They thought they could survive in there The radiocarbon dates on those shelters are very young.
	They're more like five some of them 500 BC but there is a process which I discuss in my PhD thesis where I Solar cosmic rays can actually generate carbon-14 within bones and within the body of animals by transmuting the nitrogen.
	The nitrogen gets changed into carbon-14, making it appear that those remains are much younger than they really are.
	In fact, they find anomalous dates for mammoth bones.
	We know these mammoths were a part of the same extinction that happened about 12,750 years ago.
	But some of them have dates that are as recent as 6,000 years ago.
	And this would be explained if the extinction involved a solar conflagration with particle radiation.
	All right.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Good morning.
	Good morning to you.
	I'm calling from Prosser, Washington.
	All right.
	And I was wanting to ask the doctor, I'm not very bright on physics and stuff, but I do a lot of thinking.
	You know, I'm an insomniac.
	I lay in bed and think about things.
	The other night, I was thinking about the core of the Earth, and it's molted metal, right?
	Well, there are various theories.
	Some think it's iron core.
	Nickel?
	And some think it is molten... Yes?
	Okay, now would the mantle and the crust spin around the core?
	Or would they all revolve at the same speed?
	That's actually a very good question, Doctor.
	I would have to say I'm not sure.
	They do, with seismic studies, they know that there's a difference.
	If you go so many percentage of the radius in toward the center of the Earth, something like halfway down, they encounter this boundary where They get echoes back indicating a change of state.
	It could be their density or change from more of a solid to more of a liquid.
	Very possibly you get differential rotation.
	The center could be moving.
	You know, they believe there's convection currents down there going on.
	The center's rotation or the whole rotation of the Earth acts like a homopolar generator.
	And I believe that's what generates the Earth's magnetic field.
	By the way, the subquantum kinetics physics that I've developed can account for the heat generation at the center of the Earth.
	It's the same blue shifting of radiation.
	If you postulate this as a universal phenomenon that's going on, you would expect heat to be evolved from the Earth, which is just what you see.
	That's right.
	And the same would explain for Jupiter and Saturn.
	They see more energy coming out than it's going in.
	That's right.
	And in fact, what I did as a prediction, I said, if this is true, then there should be a relation between the heat output of the heavy planets and the stars.
	And so I ended up extending what's called the mass-luminosity relation.
	That's where you plot the mass of a star versus its luminosity.
	And I find that they all line up on this relation line.
	And I projected it down to the planets, the mass range of the planets, and I plotted them, and they fell very close to this line, which indicates that whatever is generating the heat in the center of the heavy planets, like Jupiter and Saturn, is the same that's producing the energy output from the red dwarf stars.
	And that fusion might be a secondary energy source that kicks in at higher mass.
	Much of what you say, I mean a lot of what you say, particularly with respect to the generation of energy and planets, again parallels what Richard Hoagland has had to say.
	Have you been following his... Oh, he's aware of my work.
	I've sent him copies of my books.
	I would imagine the two of you would have A great deal in common.
	Doctor, it has been a real pleasure having you on the air, and we're out of time.
	Well, thank you very much for the opportunity to talk with you, and enjoy it very much.
	We'll do it again sometime.
	Take care, Doctor.
	Good night.
	Good night.
	Dr. Paul A. LaViolette was my guest, and that should give you some food for thought.
	Listen, no matter what you do, if you didn't hear it earlier, you're not going to want to miss the next hour in repeat if you get a chance to hear it.
	And the first two hours, tomorrow night.
	Followed by David Icke, or is it Icke?
	We'll find out tomorrow night.

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