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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Robert Raith - Alien Encounters - Paul LaViolette - Beyond the Big Bang

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unidentified		Welcome to Arkbell Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		Tonight featuring Coast to Coast AM from November 10th, 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, have I got something for you this morning.
unidentified		We are going to have a very full night indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And in this first hour, I'm going to set up something that's going to happen tomorrow night.
		really it's happening tonight and tomorrow night regarding an alien encounter something that And then in the next hour, we're going to have a very special guest, Paul Laviolette.
		And he writes about the Big Bang before the Big Bang and Earth Under Fire.
		And that's a lot of material for us to cover.
		And I'm sure that I'm slaughtering his name.
unidentified		It looks like Paul Laviolette.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What if that's French?
		Anyway, it should be very, very interesting, but this hour I'm going to blow you away.
		Absolutely going to blow you away this hour.
		And so we'll get to all of that in a moment.
		All I will say now is, remember the call from the guy who said that an alien killed this doctor's dog, and then the doctor killed the alien?
		Do you remember that?
		Well, if you don't, I'm going to replay that call for you here shortly to jog your memory, and then I'm going to tell you where you can go see it.
		My website, of course.
unidentified		Thank you.
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		Let me ask you this.
		What is going on to necessitate this so quickly?
		There seems to be a deadline in their brains and they need to get this done.
		They know their whole new world order is inches from going up in flames.
		So they're afraid of the awakening and they know that their collapse is about to take place because we've been asleep at the switch and we've let incredibly corrupt interests take control of our society.
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		I think now, as we look back, we can probably say with pretty good certainty that some people in government might have been aware of what was going on and they turned their cheek the other way just to let it happen.
		I also believe that some bigger groups got involved with al-Qaeda to do what they did on that horrible day.
		This wasn't just a small group of people who came in and did their thing.
		There was a much bigger picture there.
		And if you see the events that have unfolded since this tragedy occurred, how we've lost rights, how we used it to go in Afghanistan and Iraq, and how it has really not stopped, because it's going to continue.
		We're going to have more and more episodes and more and more involvement in other countries.
		And just mark my word, this planet is going through an incredible change.
		And thank God we've got you here to talk with us about it.
		Now we take you back to the night of November 10th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now, a lot of times, you know, on this program, we've got open, unscreened lines, and we get a lot of stories from people that sometimes are pretty wild and hard to substantiate.
		And a lot of people say, well, I'll be sending the proof, and it never shows up.
		Well, guess what?
		The other night, we got a call from a young fellow named Robert Wraith, that's R-A-I-T-H, who claimed that a friend of his, a doctor, a psychologist, was walking in the woods with his dog, was attacked by an alien, the dog attacked by an alien, and then the doctor killed the alien.
		And he said, you know, I've got photographs and I've got videotape and I've got the story.
		We're beginning to compile the story.
		And I said, okay, fine.
		And we went to break and I gave him a private get-it-to-me-fast kind of address.
		Well, guess what, folks?
		I've got it.
		I've got the photographs.
		I've got the videotape.
		He doesn't want the videotape released yet.
		But I've got the photographs.
		And to prove to you, I scanned them earlier today.
		Now, what do I have?
		I have a picture.
		Actually, I have several.
		I was allowed to use three.
		I've got a picture of the craft in the woods.
		I've got two photographs of the alien when they brought the body back.
		And they're on the website now.
		You will find them prominently displayed as the first item on the website, on my website, right this very minute.
		And it says, photos of alien encounter.
		And believe me, you're going to want to go take a look at those photographs.
		Believe me, you're going to want to take a look at them.
		Tomorrow night, in the first two hours, we're going to have Robert Reagan and this doctor, whose name is Dr. Reed, Dr. Jonathan Reed, on the air to talk about this incredible, incredible story.
		So I'll tell you more about it.
		What I want to do right now is replay the audio of the call from Robert.
		I think it's the way to begin it.
		So if you would please up at the network, this occurred Friday night, Saturday morning, by the way.
		So up at the network, if you would please roll the audio now.
		Dear Mr. Bell, we have films of an extraterrestrial and its craft, taken with a video and 35 millimeter camera as well.
		The films and the story that go with them are like no other anyone has seen or heard to date.
		Dr. Jonathan Reed, the person that had this experience, desires to make this information known exclusively on your program first, if you are interested.
		Soon to be published.
		It is an emotional, incredibly compelling truth that's backed up with unmistakable testworthy visual evidence.
		The films and the accompanying story make the alien autopsy and Victor's film look sparse in comparison.
		Hearing the story, and I'm understanding when I say it shocking, seeing the videos is an experience anyone interested in ecology would give nearly anything to see and hear.
		We feel honored and hopeful in offering you and your audience this expensive opportunity to experience an incredible journey that continues to this day.
		I hope you might see this letter tonight.
unidentified		We have given our phone numbers below, and we will be available tonight if you'd like to call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We believe the timing of your return and Dr. Reed's decision to tell his story now is no accident.
		Wanna take a ride?
		Signed, Robert.
		And I won't give Robert's last name unless he wants to give it.
		You want to give your last name, Robert?
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your last name?
unidentified		Wraith.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wraith.
unidentified		Robert Wraith.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Author of Link, an extraterrestrial Odyssey soon to be published.
		A lot of publishing going on here.
		All right.
		Now, the Wanna Take a Ride offer.
		I take it that is sort of metaphorical.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the ride would be a ride to see the crispy 35 millimeter photographs and the films to go with, is that correct?
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		The ride would be that and the incredible story that it's around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Describe to me what's on film and what's on video and how clear it is.
unidentified		Well, first off, the video and the pictures are incredibly clear.
		It's not black and white.
		It's not all foggy and confused.
		They are very clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very clear.
unidentified		Very, very clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As clear as, for example, the Billy Meyer photographs.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		As clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As clear.
unidentified		You can't mistake what you're looking at for anything other than it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'll take your word on that.
		We're to begin our million questions.
		Where did this experience occur?
unidentified		This experience occurred in Washington, state of Washington.
		State of Washington, in the forest.
		A gentleman, Dr. Reed, was hiking through the woods.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Jonathan Reed, what kind of doctor is he?
unidentified		He's a psychologist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Psychologist, all right.
unidentified		He was hiking through the woods with his dog when he lost track of his dog.
unidentified		And what happened was he began to hear that she was in some kind of fight or conflict.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
unidentified		So he moved to find out where she was.
		Well, when he found her, she was attacking this creature.
		And this creature was an alien.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you give us some sketchy idea of what this creature looked like?
unidentified		The creature is childlike in dimensions, but it has a large head.
		It has large dark eyes.
		I guess it doesn't look like the classical gray.
		For one thing, it has very distinct features.
		It looks very old.
		It has long, thin arms and long, thin legs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I think I get the picture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the craft?
unidentified		The craft looks like a Marquise Diamond.
unidentified		It's a large black thing we call the obelisk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The obelisk.
unidentified		And what we have are photographs of it hovering.
unidentified		Very good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have photographs of it hovering.
unidentified		And we have video.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And video.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Here's what we should do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You should get as much photographic evidence to me by next day mail as you can get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that a possibility?
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is Dr. Reed willing to come on the air?
unidentified		Yes, he is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He is.
unidentified		He's not with me tonight.
unidentified		He's not with me right now, but yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did you get involved?
unidentified		I was doing some investigative work involving other things when I received a call from Dr. Rita.
		At first, I wasn't sure if this guy was just nuts or what the story was, but I was intrigued.
		So I met with him, and we talked for quite some time, long into the night.
		When he showed me the photographic evidence and some other evidence, some documentation as well, that's when I said, I want to be involved, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you were, in other words, there is no question when you look at this material that you're looking at the real McCoy, huh?
unidentified		Absolutely no question whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I must say this is pretty exciting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is Dr. Reed a resident of Washington as well?
unidentified		He's been pretty much on the move since this incident happened to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the move?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As in frightened, scared, what?
unidentified		Yes.
		He lost his credentials.
		A few people involved in the situation, one has disappeared, one is dead.
		Whoa.
		So it's been very difficult for him.
		And of course, he lost his dog as well.
		What happened was the dog had, or the alien had killed the dog.
		Dr. Reed had killed the alien and then took it home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		So the alien killed his dog.
		He was angry and killed the alien.
		Now, did he have a gun with him?
		How did he dispatch it?
unidentified		He used a large wooden stick, which he found.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Beat it to death with a stick?
unidentified		He had clubbed it over the head with a stick, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With a stick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he's got the body?
unidentified		He had the body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Had the body.
unidentified		Until individuals cleaned out his house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		MIBs.
unidentified		Basically, yes.
		Holy Jehoshaphats, Robert?
		We also have audio of the creature screaming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do?
unidentified		Yes, we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't happen to have that handy, do you?
unidentified		I don't have it handy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, too bad.
unidentified		But we'll get it to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I suppose that the good doctor, if I were to get him, would be from an undisclosed location.
unidentified		Yes, he would be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he's told you he's willing to come on the air and present this story exclusively on my program.
unidentified		Yes, absolutely.
		What happened was we were actually ready to go forward just after you announced that you were leaving the air.
		And we waited, hoping and praying that, A, you were all right, and B, that you would come back on.
		Because we really wanted to give this story to you.
		We both feel that you're a pioneer, and we respect you, and that's why we wanted to go with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		So there you have it.
		That was the call as it occurred Friday night, Saturday morning, actually in my time zone, Friday night in the first hour.
		You were hearing Robert Wraith.
		Well, you know, it was a fascinating call.
		You could hear the enthusiasm being, slowly picking up in my voice over what I was being told, but still I was cautious because I've been told a lot of stories, as you all know.
		You've heard them.
		And many people have said they will provide documentary evidence of what they're saying, and then don't.
		Well, guess what, folks?
		Today, midday, a FedEx envelope showed up, and I opened this thing up, and oh my God, inside, here are quite a number.
		Let's see, three.
		I was only allowed, Robert only wanted me to use three of the photographs, but I actually have a total of three, four, five, six photographs of the alien and the ship.
		And he only wanted me to use two.
		I talked him into letting us post on the website a third photograph.
		But what we have are clear, distinct photographs of the alien craft hovering in the woods.
		We have two clear, distinct photographs of the alien.
		One showing the wound to the head and the other showing a good clear shot of the alien itself.
		Now, the first thing everybody's going to hop on, you know, I scanned these photographs myself.
		Look, I'm holding them now.
		They are done by Kodak.
		They're regular 35 millimeter photographs, so there's no tampering with them.
		And I scanned them personally earlier today and sent them to Keith.
		They're on my website now.
		As a matter of fact, it's the first item you're going to see on my website when you go up there.
		First, the very first item.
		So you need to get to my website, Paronto, and go look at these photographs.
		Secondarily, so that you might know I've got the photographs, I just took a studio cam picture of myself holding these particular three 35 millimeter photographs, and I zoomed in good and close so you can see that obviously I do have the photographs because the first thing everybody will say is, oh, he sent you computer things that were all jiggled, jaggled.
		No.
		I've got the original Kodak 35mm photographs.
		So, if you want to check my studio cam while you're up there, go take a look at that.
		And you'll see the actual photographs.
		But, by all means, go over to where they're scanned and available for you on the net.
		I'm telling you, and then, of course, I've got the videotape, too, which I am not releasing at this point.
		Robert is not releasing, more accurately.
unidentified		And the videotape is incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, it's incredible.
		So, I've got the story, I've got the videotape, and I've got the photographs.
		And if you want to see the photographs, go take a look.
		It's not exactly the classic gray, but it's also not very far from the classic gray.
		It could easily be from the same family.
		So, what I'm going to do here is pause.
		Tomorrow night, we're going to have Robert and Dr. Livingston.
		I think it's Livingston.
		I hope that's right.
		I believe it is.
		On the air.
		Dr. Reed, rather.
		And so, they'll both be on the air.
		But in a moment, I'm going to bring Robert back on the air, because I was absolutely blown away to get all of this.
		I believe we've got quite a story.
		Can I verify it's absolutely so?
		No.
unidentified		the photographic evidence is pretty good this is coast to coast a m you're listening to art bells somewhere in time on premiere radio networks tonight an encore presentation of coast to coast a m from november 10th 1998.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		server already called and said, hey, what's going on?
		These are incredible photographs.
		There's no doubt about it.
		In a moment, briefly tonight, I'm going to bring Robert Rafe back on the air and ask him a couple of questions because what he has sent me is nothing short of amazing.
		And we're going to bring up several topics.
		And then tomorrow night you'll hear from the good doctor and Robert as well about this incident.
		Incredible incidents.
		And I thought this bumper music would be appropriate because that's how he began his facts.
		Want to take a ride?
		And believe me, from an informational point of view, it's quite a ride.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		Spring Link, the audio subscription service.
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		shows will be available for you to collect enjoy and listen to at your leisure plus you'll get streamed and on-demand broadcasts of Art Bell's Somewhere in Time shows and two weekly classics and as a member you'll have access to our monthly live chat sessions with George Nori and special guests if you're a fan of Coast you won't want to be without Coast Insider Visit Coast2CoastAM.com to sign up today.
		Looking for the truth?
		You'll find it on Coast2Coast AM with George Norrie.
		Let me ask you this.
		What is going on to necessitate this so quickly?
		There seems to be a deadline in their brains, and they need to get this done.
		They know their whole New World Order is inches from going up in flames.
		So they're afraid of the awakening, and they know that their collapse is about to take place because we've been asleep at the Switch, and we've let incredibly corrupt interests take control of our society.
		Coast at Coast AM is happy to announce that our website is now optimized for mobile device users, specifically for the iPhone and Android platforms.
		Now you'll be able to connect to most of the offerings of the Coast website on your phone in a quick and streamlined fashion.
		And if you're a Coast Insider, you'll have our great subscriber features right on your phone, including the ability to listen to live programs and screen previous shows.
		No special app is necessary to enjoy our new mobile site.
		Simply visit CoastToCoastAM.com on your iPhone or Android browser.
		Looking for the truth?
		You'll find it on Coast2Coast AM with George Norrie.
		I think now, as we look back, we can probably say with pretty good certainty that some people in government might have been aware of what was going on and they turned their cheek the other way just to let it happen.
		I also believe that some bigger groups got involved with al-Qaeda to do what they did on that horrible day.
		This wasn't just a small group of people who came in and did their thing.
		There was a much bigger picture there.
		And if you see the events that have unfolded since this tragedy occurred, how we've lost rights, how we used it to go in Afghanistan and Iraq, and how it has really not stopped.
		Because it's going to continue.
		We're going to have more and more episodes and more and more involvement in other countries.
		And just mark my word, this planet is going through an incredible change.
		And thank God we've got you here to talk with us about it.
		Now we take you back to the night of November 10th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, now to the state of Washington.
		That's what I was starting to say when I so rudely interrupted myself.
		God, that's embarrassing.
		Here's Robert Wraith.
		Robert, welcome.
		Thank you for coming on.
unidentified		No problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to talk directly into the phone so we can hear you well.
unidentified		Okay, do you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Robert, I was at midday today flat blown on my butt by all of this.
		I mean, here comes this package.
		You've got to understand that a lot of people tell stories like you told, and they're just stories.
		But you have come up with the proof.
unidentified		I do understand.
		And it's an amazing story.
		And the proof is there.
		It's real, and it happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got to tell you that the craft that you have taken a photograph of here, if you look at my website, and I guess Keith ought to put a marker up to it again, I saw a craft that looked just like this thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Basically, it's in the picture, it looks kind of like a triangle.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I saw.
		Now, the alien, let's go through one picture at a time here.
		First, the picture of the craft that I put up.
		Somebody already commented, you know, people, of course, immediately start tearing this stuff apart and say, oh, what a fake, what a phony.
		Well, to me, it doesn't look like a fake or phony at all.
		The 35-millimeter photograph of it is extremely clear.
unidentified		I'm glad you're happy with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am.
		The foliage in the background, somebody called and said, well, there's no shadow of the craft.
		And there wouldn't be a shadow of the craft because, number one, it's very dense foliage, very large trees.
		It looks like a big canopy.
		Number two, if you look in the background where you can just barely see a little bit of sky, it is not blue.
		It is gray, so the sun must not have been out.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there's no shadows.
		If you look at the rest of the photograph, you don't see shadows of the foliage.
		So obviously it was a good day to take photographs.
unidentified		They can test those pictures, and they're real.
		I know.
		But there's always going to be naysayers' art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
unidentified		And the best way to deal with that is just to move on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, then there's two photographs of the alien.
		Thank you for allowing me to put up the second photograph.
		The reason is because the first photograph shows the alien sort of straight on, and you can actually see an eye.
		One of the eyes is somewhat slightly open.
		This alien is laid out on golden-colored pinfoil.
unidentified		Is that fair?
unidentified		Yeah, it's what they call an emergency blanket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An emergency blanket.
unidentified		It's a thermal blanket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How tall was this creature?
unidentified		Oh, man.
unidentified		Well, I would say probably five feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About five feet tall.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The second photograph shows the alien with his head turned and the obvious, it would be the right word, a crushed skull.
		There's literally, I guess, a hole in the alien's skull.
		That's obviously where the doctor slammed him, huh?
unidentified		That's where he hit him, yeah.
unidentified		it was actually a thick branch uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		the cracked them over the head with you know in this photograph i can actually see what look like Those are veins.
		Are veins coming up through the neck into the head?
		You also supplied me You also supplied me with a videotape, and you don't want that released yet.
unidentified		No, not yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you know what I thought I would ask you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought I would ask you if tomorrow night we might play a little bit of audio from it.
unidentified		That's a possibility.
unidentified		I'd have to talk to Jonathan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you please run that by him?
unidentified		Absolutely, I will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not the video, but just a little bit of the audio.
		You can hear the alien scream.
		You obviously, you were the person taking the photographs, or was it the doctor?
unidentified		It was the doctor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was the doctor.
unidentified		All this really happened to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was in extreme distress.
unidentified		Yes, he was.
unidentified		Very difficult to watch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very difficult.
		I mean, he was just almost out of breath.
		I'm surprised he, frankly, didn't begin to hyperventilate and have that.
unidentified		He was very, very close to hyperventilation.
		And, yeah, it was one of the most difficult things I've ever had to see, to be quite honest with you.
		It was amazing, but beyond that, with just what he was going through, I could feel it viscerally.
		I mean, it was just incredible and very intense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sent me a first package.
unidentified		Yes, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what happened to that package?
unidentified		A very brave young lady was on her way to deliver the package to the place that was going to send it off.
		And she was hit from behind, and she received seven stitches.
		They did not take her purse.
		They did not take her car.
		Her keys and purse were knocked to the ground.
		But all they took was that package.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That package.
		The package that was intended for me.
		Right.
		And so you immediately, good move on you to get more copies of these photographs.
		You obviously had the negatives and had several copies made.
unidentified		Yes, we have some made.
unidentified		And now you have some.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The doctor, yes, now I've got them, and now they're on the net, and so too bad for whoever's after you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's public, and I don't know what they can do about it now.
unidentified		Not much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Once it gets public in some way, there's not a hell of a lot they can do.
		What kind of man is Dr. Reed?
unidentified		He's a pretty strong individual, a lot of intestinal fortitude there.
		Originally, we just discussed it.
		We talked about it.
		We made notes.
		And as we began to open up more about the situation, he realized that he wanted to really get this out somehow.
		In the book, his friend who disappeared, Gary, had actually, we say this, he mentioned you, Art Bell, and he had told Jonathan, now this conversation took place about two years ago.
		And finally, after I worked with Jonathan for about a year, talking to him and just trying to get us to a point where we could do something, he realized it was just so important to get this out.
		And he's, in my opinion, he's just a very strong individual for going through what he went through.
		And as you said, you've seen the video.
		Oh, yeah.
		A lot of people would have folded under that.
		He didn't fold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At some point, he obviously took this emergency, whatever it is, blanket, back, wrapped the alien up, and did what?
		Dragged it home?
		Or how did he get it home?
		I guess we'll find out all this.
unidentified		Originally, what he wanted to do was he wanted to bury it, and then he didn't feel right about that for many reasons, which he can better state himself, being that it was him.
		So he wrapped it up in his emergency blanket, which he had in his backpack because he was hiking, and he took it down to his Jeep.
		And he took it home with him.
		And not only did he have that to deal with, but he was also very ill.
		He had injured himself in this, and his hand was getting infected, and he just went through just a terrible thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You told me this dog died in a pretty terrible way.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you describe now what you described earlier today to me?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Susie, what happened was Susie encountered the alien.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Susie is the dog.
unidentified		Susie is the dog.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She was the dog.
unidentified		Right.
		And she had bit his arm, bit the alien's arm, and the alien had released somehow some of its own flesh onto her face and mauled her face.
		When the flesh retracted, a hole appeared on her, and basically she was just sucked from herself into that hole.
		And that was it.
		She was gone.
		That's pretty much what drove Jonathan over the edge.
		He took the branch and he hit the alien, killing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't say that I blame him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Under similar circumstances, I might do exactly the same thing.
unidentified		Yeah, it was very traumatic.
		And in a situation like that, you're not thinking, okay, this is an alien.
		It took him a long time to come to that point himself, because he was a person that really just didn't believe in UFOs and aliens and things like this.
		Well, this turned him around, and in some ways turned me around.
		It's changed both our lives dynamically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm certain it would.
		And if it didn't, then I wouldn't, then I'd have a hard time.
		I'd struggle with the story.
		I mean, God, look at this thing.
		There's no way that this is even remotely human.
		And while we're on the subject, the other comment that most people make is that this thing looks awfully old.
		It doesn't look like it just died.
		But then again, we have no idea how an alien should look.
unidentified		That's right.
		I mean, their physiology is going to be quite different than ours.
		Yes, it was that's one of the first things that actually struck me about it, is the features.
		It wasn't just blank.
		It was there's life or character, if you will, in in those features.
		And this would also disturb me because I realized that this thing at one time was a living being and it bothered Jonathan later on.
		I mean, it just really disturbed him.
		He felt terrible about the fact that he had done this because this was a living creature.
		It was a living being.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you would you say that this is a rough approximation of what the being looked like when it was alive, or were there changes?
		I mean, when human beings die, there's rigomortis.
		How much time was there between when he killed the alien and when these photographs were taken?
		How much time expired?
unidentified		quite a few hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jonathan better knows the time that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, it wasn't days, it was hours.
unidentified		It was hours.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think, did Jonathan say the appearance at the time of the photographs was different in a substantial way from the way it looked?
unidentified		It was different.
		The hue of the flesh changed by the time he got it back.
		He said it actually looked a lot more pinkish, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it began to very much darken down.
		it darkened down yet considerably It's actually staggering.
		What do you plan to do with this?
		I know you're in the middle of writing the story of all of this.
unidentified		Right, the book is pretty much done right now.
unidentified		And we'll be looking for a publisher for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've been holding on to this information for how long?
unidentified		Myself, for a year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For a year.
unidentified		Sitting on this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this incident actually occurred over a year ago.
unidentified		Yes, about two years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the doctor finally came to you after a year.
unidentified		After a year.
		The few people that knew about it are either dead or they vanished or they were told to shut up.
		Period.
		And so he came to me.
		Now, when I sat down and talked to him about it, I wondered at first, you know, well, first, of course, is this guy sane?
		But as I talked to him, I realized this man is sane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, the audience should know that we have arranged tomorrow night to have you and Dr. Jonathan Reed on the air for the first two hours of the program.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I wanted to get all this up tonight so people between now and tomorrow night would have an opportunity, you know, our website's in gridlock here, would have an opportunity to see and examine the photographs.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So all I can say is I want to thank you for coming on tonight.
unidentified		Thank you, Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm looking forward to hearing both you and the good Dr. Dr. Reed tomorrow night.
unidentified		You will hear us both.
		As a matter of fact, when you have a chance, I have that location for you.
		The phone number where you will be able to reach him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I'll retrieve that.
		Well, actually, let me, since I have you, let me go ahead and put you on hold now and I'll retrieve it at the top of the hour, okay?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, stand by.
		That, folks, is Robert Wraith.
		If you want to see the photographic evidence, and remember, I've got a videotape that shows a lot more, but if you want to see some amazing photographic evidence, go to my website.
		It's all at www.artbell, that's A-R-T-B-E-L-L lowercase, dot com.
		www.artbell.com.
		We'll be right back.
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unidentified		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from November 10, 1998.
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		Tonight's program originally aired November 10, 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good morning, everybody.
		My, my, my, my, what a night we've had already in the first hour.
		And there'll be a follow-up on this tomorrow night.
		So if you're just joining us now, don't worry.
		You've got 24 hours to see the amazing, amazing photographs that have been sent to me and that I've now got on my website.
		It is nothing short of a remarkable story.
		It began last week with a young man who called me and said that he had researched a story of a doctor who was out in the woods up in Washington, Dr. Jonathan Reed, who with his dog was out on a camping trip.
		He had a backpack.
		And his dog ran ahead, attacked a creature, an alien, and the dog was killed, and Dr. Reed, in his rage, picked up a large stick and killed the alien.
		I know, I know how it sounds.
		They took photographs.
unidentified		Thank God they took photographs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They have clear, distinct 35mm photographs of both the craft hovering in the woods and of the alien.
		They actually dragged the alien's body back, unwrapped it, and took photographs of it.
		And we've got all of this clear, distinct 35mm photographs.
		And so you might know they are real 35mm photographs.
		I held them up for the studio camera.
		Studio camera.
		You can go up and look at my studio camera.
		You'll see the actual Kodak 35mm photographs that I'm holding in my hand.
		And I'm going to leave that there so you can see them.
		This is not something that a computer has tampered with.
		I scanned them myself earlier today, sent them to Keith.
		He's got them up there.
		Tomorrow night, in both the first and second hour, just prior to David Aickey, we're going to have Robert Rafe, the man who originally called me about all of this, and Dr. Reed on the program.
		And we are going to tell the story to you in detail.
		But tonight, I wanted to get the photographs up to give you 24 hours enough time to go up there and see for yourself.
		Now, I know people pick this kind of thing apart.
		I also have a videotape, a very unambiguous videotape, also showing the craft, showing them literally running through the woods in a dead flat panic.
		I'm surprised Dr. Reed didn't expire.
		He must have a very strong heart on the spot.
		I've got all of this.
		And tomorrow night, you'll hear the full story.
		Between now and then, you need to get to my website, trust me.
		It's the first item listed in the latest news and site editions entitled Photos of Alien Encounter.
		You can't miss it.
		You've got to click on the photos to get them full size when you get there.
		In addition, you might click on my studio cam and take a look at the photographs themselves so you know that what I scanned are real photographs.
		It is an amazing, amazing story.
		So there is that.
		In a moment, we're going to be talking with Dr. Paul A. Violet.
		Violet, or I guess there would be a French way of saying this that I'm probably not going to try to do, who is from the Starburst Foundation.
		And by the way, his link is also on my website.
		It's not easy to get in right now.
		It's being swamped.
		This kind of evidence does not come every day.
		You hear a lot of stories, and you hear a lot of people who promise to send documentation and clear photographs, but very rarely do you get them.
unidentified		I've got them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they're up there now at www.artbell.com.
unidentified		Thank you.
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		Let me ask you this.
		What is going on to necessitate this so quickly?
		There seems to be a deadline in their brains, and they need to get this done.
		They know their whole New World Order is inches from going up in flames.
		So they're afraid of the awakening, and they know that their collapse is about to take place because we've been asleep at the switch, and we've let incredibly corrupt interests take control of our society.
		Now we take you back to the night of November 10th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Art Bell, Somewhere in Time Well, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now comes Paul, Dr. Paul A. Laviolet.
		He has a B.A. in Physics from Johns Hopkins University, an MBA in Organizational Administration from the University of Chicago, and a Ph.D. in systems science from Portland State University.
		He has been president of the Starburst Foundation since 1984, where he's been conducting interdisciplinary research in physics, astronomy, geology, climatology, systems theory, psychology, and ancient mythology.
		He is author of Earth Under Fire, Humanity's Survival of the Apocalypse, Beyond the Big Bang, Ancient Myth, and the Science of Continuous Creation.
		And it goes on and on and on.
		This man is a heavyweight.
		Rather than reading all of this, I think I would like to have him high-end.
		I would like to have you continue, if you would, with your own bio a little bit and tell us more about your stuff.
		I can see there's a lot of words I'm going to run into here that I'm going to slaughter.
		You are obviously a heavyweight in your field, or fields would be more like it.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		I guess I've done some things in a lot of areas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, in a lot of areas is right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, I've got to ask you to stay good and close to that phone and sort of project at us.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess here's a good beginning question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What started you down this road to science?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Well, when I was young, I was just curious about nature.
		Also, my parents were scientists.
		I guess I was just fascinated about things and wanted to figure out the world around me.
		I guess that's something that is the reason why a lot of people go into science.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think it is, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So from as early as you can recall, with parents who were themselves in science, you wanted to go in this direction?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Right, yeah, I guess from a very young age.
		In fact, when I was about 10 years old, I remember making a wish.
		You know, I was trying to think if there was one thing I could wish for, what would it be?
		And I was eliminating various things, and finally I decided it would be to know everything there is to know in the universe.
		And somehow I felt that wish was answered.
		I just felt that somebody was listening at that time.
		And you have to be careful what you wish for.
		It seems as a result I've been on this trek for ever since that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much of these are just general questions to begin with.
		We're going to get very specific.
		But how much of what science believes about our origins and or what religion and mythology would teach us do you think is wrong?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Origins like, for example, well, for example.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Our predecessors, you mean past civilizations?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I could even go back.
		Let us begin at the beginning.
		The Big Bang, for example.
		I'm told that the Big Bang, nobody seems to know what occurred one second prior to the Big Bang.
		Nobody can explain that one.
		But they say that the Big Bang itself originated from something smaller than a cork, which is unimaginably small, and that everything that now is came from that.
		And I have stretched and stretched my mind, Doctor, trying to figure out how that could be, and my mind cannot embrace the concept.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, that's the problem with the Big Bang Theory is, you know, what happened before.
		In fact, it says that space and time came out of this singularity, which is conveniently placed there.
		But what happened before that, you get ideas that there was not even God before that time.
		It's just complete non-existence.
		These are things that have disturbed a lot of people thinking about the Big Bang.
		There's problems with it philosophically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There should be also problems with it scientifically.
		I have never heard it properly explained to me how something so small could produce so much matter.
		And I still don't.
unidentified		Can you explain it?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Well, not really.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's sort of mind-boggling the assumption that physicists make, astronomers make, all of the energy and matter of the universe to have originated from a point so small, what they're saying was 10 to the minus 43 centimeters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly.
		And yet, science does seem to sort of confirm that there was a point of origination for all that apparently is.
		Do you buy into that?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't even buy into that.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		I don't believe that the universe is expanding.
		That's a key underpinning of the whole Big Bang theory, because the idea was that the universe was expanding.
		They looked at the galaxies and found that their light was redshifted, meaning if you looked at the spectrum of the sun, let's say, it's kind of like a fingerprint in a spectrograph.
		And instead of seeing those spectral lines where they should be, they found they were slightly shifted, the ones that were coming from distant galaxies and in the days when they first discovered this this was at the turn of the century around 1917 or so they found well at that time they were used to looking at stars in the galaxy doing doing orbital motion like in binary stars
		and it was natural to interpret red and blue shifts of the of the of their spectra.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words a blue shift would be something coming toward you, a red shift would be something going away from you.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And an analogy it's usually given is like the train whistle, the pitch dropping or increasing, whether it's going away or coming towards you.
		And so this was a common practice.
		They would see motion of stars and interpret redshifts or blue shifts this way.
		So when they began looking at these objects called nebula, which at that time they didn't realize they were outside the galaxy actually.
		They thought they were just gas clouds in the galaxy.
		And they found that they were consistently redshifted.
		Their spectra were redshifted.
		Eventually they finally came to the conclusion that these were outside the galaxy and they were galaxies on their own right.
		And initially the amount of redshifting, the velocity at which they would be receding from us, was small because they were looking at galaxies close by.
		But as time went on, the telescopes were able to improve.
		They could look further out and as they went further out, they were dealing with recessional velocities much greater.
		And the way I compare this is like the idea of putting the frog in the water that's lukewarm and then you turn up the heat gradually and the frog doesn't realize the temperature is changing.
		This is kind of what happened to cosmology.
		I mean right now we're dealing, if you buy into that assumption, you're talking about galaxies receding at 97 to 98% of the speed of light.
		So you can imagine what if they had seen as far out as we see today redshifts like that.
		Would they have made that assumption that the redshift was due to the recession of the galaxy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Astronomers now look at the brightest objects they can find as far out as they can find and they claim that they think they can see out near perhaps 15 billion light years out and they think that might be some of the first objects thrown off from this tremendous gigantic Big Bang that occurred.
		Is that roughly correct?
		In other words, you're actually looking back in time as well as space.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		As you look further out, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the look back time is now thought to be somewhere between 13 and 15 billion years or something like that.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And one of the difficulties now that's come up with Hubble Telescope, they find galaxies that are so far away that they would have to have been at that time, let's see, about 500,000 years old compared to the time of the Big Bang.
		And there's just not enough time for the stars to form.
		In fact, some of these galaxies have what looks like globular clusters, which should be something like 13 to 15 billion years old.
		And yet they're maybe a billion years from the time of the Big Bang.
		So you have these major inconsistencies of the theory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you favor instead of the Big Bang?
		Do you favor a steady state kind of theory?
		In other words, it's all here, it's always been here, or the process of creation is ongoing?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Ongoing creation.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ongoing creation.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Continuous creation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know the Hubble Telescope, and I've got some interesting news on the Hubble, but the Hubble has taken some amazing photographs of these giant gaseous areas that appear to be birthing stars.
		And they actually have shown us photographs, I'm sure you've seen them, of stars apparently being born.
		Is that what you think is happening?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Okay, when they talk about stars being born, it's usually a star with a lot of gas and dust around it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		And they're usually very luminous.
		And one example of this is called a Titori star.
		And I guess this was the first archetypal star that they put in this category of star birthing.
		They were assuming the gas was condensing to form the star.
		There's a different theory, though, to explain the same observations, and that is not that the star is forming, but it's rather than accreting gas, it's, well, it's not that it's in the process of being formed.
		It could be a star just like our sun that was enveloped by dust.
		And it's that dust that's falling onto the star and energizing its surface that's responsible for its activity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Doctor, hold it right there.
		Dr. Paul Laviolet is my guest.
		As I mentioned to you in his field, he certainly is a heavyweight.
		Earth Under Fire and Beyond the Big Bang are his books.
		If you want to know more about them, we've got a link to his books on my website if you can make it in, as well as a link to his website.
		We'll be telling you all about that.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening or good morning, everybody.
		Morning for most of you.
		Paul Lovilot is my guest, Dr. Paul Levilot.
		And he'll be right back, and we're talking about the beginnings of it all and so much more.
		And I've got some really fascinating news on the Hubble telescope.
		Oh, my.
		We'll get Paul's reaction to it.
		He may not know about it.
		But there is more Hubble trouble, folks.
		Big trouble.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, did Ed Dames just hit one on the noggin.
		He'll be here at the end of the week.
		You're not going to want to miss that.
		Once again, Dr. Paul Laviolette.
		Doctor, welcome back.
		I want to read you a fact and get your reaction to it.
		Last Monday night at about 8.45 p.m. Central Time, this comes from Omaha, I was watching the Discovery Channel when they had one of their ABC Discovery news breaks.
		The specific subject of this break was the Hubble telescope.
		It seems that many things have suddenly gone wrong with it, and they're saying they may now have to take it offline for two years until a repair mission can be scheduled to go up to fix whatever is wrong.
		Isn't this just too special?
		At a very strange time, in other words, here we have our finest asset for spotting incoming whatever goes down right in the middle of the winter passage of the most dangerous comet debris stream we know of.
		As I say in the facts itself attached, retransmitted.
		Weird, weird, weird, downright bizarre.
		It's no wonder we're all becoming conspiracy neurotics.
		There's damn good reason for it.
		Assigned TS in Omaha, Nebraska.
		Had you heard this, Doctor?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		No, I hadn't.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		I imagine if there was this meteor stream coming through, it could damage the mirror if they had it pointed the wrong way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		So maybe it's a good thing they're shutting it down.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But for two years?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a real loss, it's true.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		I would think they'd have it higher in priority to repair it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you would think so, wouldn't you?
		Yeah.
		Very strange.
		Very strange.
		Two years.
		Hubbled down for two years.
		All right.
		Well, at any rate, back for a second so I can try and make something out of this Big Bang thing.
		If the Big Bang...
		All right, if the Big Bang did not occur as popular mainstream science would now have us believe, or it did not occur as they believe, then what does that mean about their estimations of how far things are away from us?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		As far as the edge of the universe, you can say that the alternative view of a static cosmos, when it's cosmologically stationary, is that space could go on forever or certainly for a law much greater distance than the Big Bang theorists talk about.
		The ancients viewed space and time as infinite.
		But they also this is a concept that goes way back.
		It's the idea of the ether, that all matter and energy has emerged from a subtle substance that fills all space.
		That there is no, really no vacuum in space.
		What we see as a vacuum is just the ether that's in a way smooth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That there actually is material in that so-called empty space.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Well, a substance which, yeah, material of some sort, but not physical in the sense of being matter and energy.
		If you make a comparison like the waves on the ocean, so the waves would be the particles of matter, the wave, light waves, the water would be the ether.
		Of course, that's a mechanical comparison.
		The ancient view saw the ether as more of a transmuting substance, almost like an alchemic flux that was going on.
		The beauty of having an ether as the mother of the physical universe is that there is something existing prior to creation, which is something that it's a major failing of Big Bang theory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As every theoretical physicist that I've ever spoken with, that's the place where they get stuck.
		I say, well, okay, what happened one second before the Big Bang?
		And there's a long silence, and they generally say, well, we don't know.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Physicists tend to be rooted in the physical.
		They're focused on the physical.
		You're familiar with the philosophy of positivism.
		There tends to be that in physics, there's a tendency to just believe what the observation, direct observations, indicate.
		For example, if you can see an electron by hitting it with particles of some sort or a proton, for a physicist he would have a certain certainty that that's part of his reality.
		But if there was some ether that that particle was made out of that he could not directly measure, which we're prevented really from measuring something below the quantum level because of just that's the nature of things.
		We're made out of waves and the things other particles are made out of waves, but waves can't, you know, the tools that we use which are made of waves can't really see below that level.
		So to talk about that, you're inferring.
		And to a physicist, he would be afraid to do that.
		He'd consider that philosophy or metaphysics.
		But really that's where you really have to go to understand the physical.
		It's my opinion that to understand the physical you have to go beyond the physical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well that must get you in a lot of trouble.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Well, it depends who it is, what their philosophy is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, mainstream science, this stuff that's in space that we can't see and can't feel and can't touch, but must be there, scientists are beginning to refer to something called dark matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that what we're talking about here?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Again, that would be matter.
		In some cases, they talk about neutrinos.
		Yes.
		Which is still talking about a particle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in the case of what you are discussing, it's not definable in any sense we really understand as energy or a substance, a thing?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you could think of it, it's kind of like a substance, but in essence or could be a process, a flux.
		If you look at things in terms of what, for example, the philosophy of Heraclitus was talking about.
		Now, one thing that might pop into people's minds is if you propose an ether, isn't that contradicting special relativity?
		Special relativity was advanced as an alternative to the ether concept.
		There was an experiment done at the end of the 19th century, Michelson-Morley experiment, where they found that whichever way they measured, they bounce a light back and forth from a mirror, and they found that the two-way velocity of light was constant, whichever way they turned their apparatus.
		Now there's been experiments done which show that the assumption of constancy of velocity of light, which Einstein made, now Einstein was talking about the one-way velocity of light, not two-way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		May be wrong.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That light may not be a constant.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		One of these experiments is the SAGNAC experiments, where they had light beams going in opposite directions around a ring, and they would spin the ring very fast.
		And they found that the two beams, as they met, with two laser beams, they would form an interference pattern.
		And that pattern would shift depending on the velocity at which you spin the ring.
		And through that, they could actually know even if you turned the ring very slowly, it would still register.
		In fact, these are used for guiding airplanes.
		We use them every day in the airplanes we fly as guidance systems.
		And yet the whole process is contrary to what relativity is saying.
		Another experiment is the Silvertooth experiment, which is another version of the SAGNAC experiment, but it's done in a linear geometry.
		And he shows that depending on which direction he points his apparatus, he gets a change of this interference pattern of two counter-propagating laser beams.
		And that's not supposed to happen if light has a constant velocity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if what you're saying is true, if we have a steady-state universe, and if the velocity of light is not a constant, then everything we know or we think we know about how far things are away could be drastically wrong.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Right, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you so understate that.
		You say, right, yeah.
		That's a drastic understatement.
		I mean, that's virtually everything we know or think we know is wrong.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you have to.
		It's kind of like we're living in a paradigm that's been said to us by physicists and academics.
		It's a view of things that has certain self-consistency if they ignore all the contradictory evidence.
		And it's something that is kind of self-sustaining.
		It tends to support itself.
		I mean, imagine, I mean, you're not going to see somebody in university saying, well, geez, it seems that the theories I'm teaching are wrong.
		All the theories of cosmology we've been teaching your students here are really a bunch of baloney.
		What parents are going to send their kids to that university?
		So there's this tendency to try to support the current views.
		And that's part of the reason the change is so slow.
		A lot of astronomers know there's problems with the Big Bang, and yet they keep teaching it in the colleges.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, from Florida today, let me read you this, Associated Press.
		Astronomers have detected a small galaxy, 12.3 billion light years from Earth, the most distant object ever seen, and say they're on the brink of seeing things even farther away and closer to the Big Bang, beginning of the universe.
		Quoting an astronomer from the University of Hawaii, we've already got some candidate objects that are even farther away.
		We are looking now about 94% of the distance back to the Big Bang.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Let's see, 94%.
		Let's say 95%, so that's 20 to 1.
		So if the universe was, what, 10 billion or so, maybe a little more, talking about 600,000-year-old galaxy, which is what I was talking about.
		How is it that you get such a fully developed galaxy in such a short time with a Big Bang Theory?
		Now with a continuous creation theory where you don't put a wall on time, because that's what the Big Bang Theory is doing.
		It's kind of like with Big Bang, we're still in the Aristotelian crystalline sphere.
		You're familiar with that concept?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		From the Middle Ages, the idea that Earth was surrounded with a crystalline sphere and the stars were kind of light fixtures out there on this sphere.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		And then the planets were in the middle with the Earth at the center.
unidentified		I see.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		And the Sun revolving around.
		We've gotten that sphere expanded to a larger radius, but still it seems like maybe some people are uncomfortable with the idea of vastness.
		And even at 15 billion or 13 billion light years, they need some feeling that there's an edge to things.
		And that's why that idea keeps it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, as they try and contemplate a vastness that they cannot contemplate, their brains, to be comfortable, must come up with an answer that says there is an edge to it, and we're almost there, and there would be nothing essentially visible beyond that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There would be a wall.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, now think of this.
		As you're going out from our planet, our galaxy, billions and billions of light years, suppose you're dealing with a continuous creation universe now, where galaxies are gradually growing in size.
		As you go out, you would expect, for example, spiral galaxies to be more compact.
		The spiral arm is not as fully developed.
		You wouldn't expect to see large elliptical galaxies.
		This is exactly what Hubble Telescope sees when they look out there.
		They see fewer large spirals, and they tend to be what are called dwarf spirals, where the arms are kind of contorted and very close to the central bulge.
		And they see a lot of dwarf ellipticals.
		This is the kind of scenario you'd have if a galaxy was formed from the inside out.
		In other words, it was producing matter from within, and as a result of explosive activity at its core, would blow this material out to form spiral arms.
		I had actually made this prediction, well, 19, let's see, 85, about what they would see with the Hubble telescope.
		And this was in fact borne out with their observations.
		And it's a thing that puzzles them because they can't explain how galaxies would have this evolution pattern.
		Now, if you keep going out, eventually you come to a point where you don't even have stars formed, it'd just be gas.
		Imagine a situation where particles are emerging spontaneously in space.
		That's how this creation would evolve.
		So let's reverse it now from a beginning where there was just a vacuum, but really an ether there occupying the vacuum.
		Not really a vacuum, but an ether that's a smooth surface.
		And to us it looks like there's nothing there, but really it's the ether.
		Now out of that, imagine waves begin to form.
		These are the particles of matter.
		They spring spontaneously into being.
		Now how this happens, it can be explained in a logical way.
		This is something that modern cosmology doesn't do is explain how the particles come into being.
		The physics I've developed, it's called sub-quantum kinetics, does explain how particles, wave patterns, can emerge in ether spontaneously.
		provided the ether is reactive, that it's engaging in processes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, but there has to be, I don't know whether you've heard the name or not.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He talks of something called hyperdimensional physics, Which would seem to explain some of what you're you have to go to higher dimensions to understand this.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		And it's it's something that takes a little time, a little visualization.
		As I was working at this, it it took me a while to begin to think in these terms.
		You know, we're here rooted in a three-dimensional reality and to to think of a a fourth-dimensional flux, it's uh uh it takes a little stretching of the mind, a little exercise of imagination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it does.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		And uh not everyone can do that.
		You find, you know, just like some people are better at physical tasks and other at mental tasks, you find even people's minds work differently.
		Some are better at abstract thought, others at visualizing things, other at auditory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I find for those who are unable to visualize what you and I are trying to talk about right now, what you are trying to explain, is that they get angry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you noted that sort of reaction among those who just don't seem able to grasp?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, you're trying to explain something that you see it because you've taken all the steps to get there, and it's a holistic perspective for you.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		But for somebody that hasn't made that series of steps and you start saying the first few steps, they're seeing what you're saying from their perspective, and they see that it doesn't match with the way they see things, so they're not willing to follow you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the reaction is anger.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Very often.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they lash out.
		They get very, very angry.
		I run into it all the time.
		All right, hold on, Doctor.
		We're at the top of the hour, and you can take a significant rest here.
		Dr. Paul Lavilitz is my guest.
		He's a heavyweight in his field, and he's saying some things that traditional science absolutely does not embrace.
		But frankly, if you're listening carefully, you've heard them before.
		There have been others that have said things like the good doctor is saying tonight.
		Is your mind that open?
		Can you grasp the possibility of more than you can see in the immediate?
		A lot of people can't.
		But if you can, then you can grasp what really did happen versus what they're telling us happened.
		We'll be right back.
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		My guest is Paul, Dr. Paul Lavalik.
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		Both you can read about on my website.
		Just go down to the guest area and click on the doctor's name.
		He has a BA in Physics from Johns Hopkins University, an MBA, Organizational Administration University of Chicago, and a Ph.D. in systems science from Portland State University.
		And we are discussing all that is and what may be.
		We have yet to get to the Earth Under Fire part of all this.
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		Now we take you back to the night of November 10th, 1998 on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, back to Dr. Lavilet.
		Doctor, Earth got hit not long ago, earlier this year, science made a big deal out of it with this incredible gamma-ray burst.
		They suggested that in a short moment, it was nearly as strong as the original Big Bang explosion, or very close to it.
		And they suggested that it came from a very long distance, a very, very, very far away.
		Now, would you take issue with that, based on what you've told us about what you believe, steady state and the nature of the what there was no big bang, frankly, and that things may not be as far away as we think and that the speed of light may not be constant, then couldn't they be all wrong about this explosion?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Well there are big bangs in the universe.
		It's just not one particular big bang.
		That's the thing.
		And these occur primarily at the centers of galaxies, although in some cases outside the centers there's very massive stars that can do this same sort of thing.
		If you look at astronomers have been studying this phenomenon for some time.
		It's called galactic core explosion phenomena.
		They look at certain galaxies and they see that the core is extremely bright, giving off cosmic rays, X-rays, gamma rays, immense amounts of energy.
		In some cases, the energy coming from the center can be 100 or 1,000 times more than is coming from the whole galaxy.
		In these cases, they call it a quasar.
		For a long time they thought quasars were just on their own, unusual objects that weren't related to galaxies.
		But as they got better and better telescopes, they saw all quasars are really at the centers of galaxies.
		And in fact, they fit this idea that the core is in an explosive state.
		So what happened here at a great distance away could have been a galactic core explosion or maybe a satellite galaxy.
		I think they said it was a little off to the side from the center of the one galaxy they were thinking about.
		But even in our own galaxy, for example, not only is there intense activity at the core, but also we find in the spiral arm regions very energetic objects.
		From time to time these are going to explode.
		In this continuous creation science, you view space, the ether, as a nonlinear system where energy and matter are continuously being created.
		And in areas of very condensed matter where you have a deep gravity well, this process goes much more rapidly.
		I'm throwing out ideas here which I guess I don't have time to get into detail to substantiate how it is.
		But if you think of it in terms of a nuclear reactor, that's an example of a nonlinear system.
		Nuclear reactor, the reaction can either peter out or it can go supercritical and explode.
		Or you can keep it sort of in a steady state condition.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Well, in this physics, gravity is what determines the criticality of the system.
		And within a galaxy where you have a gravity well, you're going to have supercritical region.
		And as you go out away from, in between the galaxies, where gravity potential is greater, it's not as negative, there you're going to be having a subcritical region.
		And as a result, photons coming from distant galaxies will tend to lose energy in the subcritical region.
		The energy will tend to peter out.
		There you can explain what astronomers have been calling the cosmological redshift.
		So you don't need expansion of the universe to explain that.
		On the other hand, within the galaxy, you get blue shifting of photons with this physics and matter creation, particularly within stars and very massive stars.
		Like, for example, at the center of galaxies, our own galaxy, they believe there's a mass there that's a couple million solar masses.
		And other galaxies can be as high as a billion solar masses from the calculations they do.
		Now, physicists have proposed the idea of a black hole being at the center of these various galaxies because they can't explain it any other way.
		Fusion doesn't can't produce enough energy.
		The idea of a, let's say, a neutron star with matter falling onto the surface, even that doesn't produce enough energy.
		And so they were very happy when Stephen Hawking came along and showed how general relativity could form this black hole idea, because then they could produce this energy and explain what they're seeing.
		Now, the thing is that you don't really need a black hole to do that if you're going to this reaction kinetic physics, which is what the ancients had.
		And it's quite amazing, because it's a very sophisticated view of microphysics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, when you say ancients, what do you mean?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, as I develop this, and it's coming from applying systems concepts.
		These are concepts that we've just discovered in the last 50, 60 years.
		For example, thermodynamic concepts of open system, you know, like for example, example open system is our bodies.
		You know, we have to have continual input and output.
		As a result of the throughput, we're able to maintain the order of our bodies.
		And you see that in virtually every system in nature, even like for example society, has to maintain itself through activity.
		Tornado, hurricane, candle flame, you can go on and on and see examples of this, except you come to the level of microphysics, you know, things like, well we see the hierarchy of nature, the galaxies being formed of stars, you have below that level star clusters And so on.
		You keep going down the levels of nature, and finally you come to the particles.
		And physicists have just arbitrarily assumed that these are inert objects.
		They're not open systems.
		They're really closed systems, the way physicists look at it.
		The thing that's unusual about physics is that it's at a level, microphysics, at a level we can't see really what's going on.
		In the levels we can see what's going on, we see that systems are organized as open systems.
		They require this throughput, this flux.
		Now the ancients did that, I believe.
		They inferred, like I did, that even though we can't really see what's going on at the microphysical level, wouldn't it be normal that nature operates in a similar fashion and that matter and energy are an example of open systems?
		That the ether is really a never-ending flux that's going on.
		And as long as that flux continues, the physical world is maintained.
		And you see that concept in Hindu myths, for example.
		The idea of Vishnu dreaming.
		The idea of dreaming is a concept of process.
		And as the dream continues, the maya is generated, the physical universe.
		And then when he awakens, maya dissolves.
		Now, it's not that there's nothing at that point.
		It's just the physical universe, those waves in the ether, dissipate, and you realize all alishnu were dreaming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So when you refer to ancients.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Well, this goes to, I believe, back to the Ice Age, the source of this knowledge.
		I believe that it was lost due to a major cataclysm that happened to the planet.
		And there appears a major effort to encode this science of creation in myths, in particular creation myths.
		You find it in ancient Egyptian myth of Atum, also in the story of Osiris.
		You find it in the Greek creation myth of how Zeus and his brothers and sisters created the world, the universe.
		You find it in Mesopotamian creation myth, Babylonian creation epic.
		It's in the I Ching, I Ching metaphysics.
		You find it in the Tarot, also in astrology.
		The first thing that cued me into this ancient science was the Tarot.
		I was explaining my theory of physics, which is based on this idea of a reaction kinetic ether, an ether that's engaged in process in certain way.
		You can actually describe the processes.
		It involves a looping process with two variables, like an x and y, where the x transmutes into the y and the y transmutes into the x.
		And when you have a system like that, it has a self-closing loop, you have the possibility for the two states to oscillate.
		And this is an example of a nonlinear system.
		And as soon as you get that possibility of unevenness to develop, like x going up when y goes down, and the opposite, it evolves to the opposite where y goes up or x goes up and y goes down, you can produce a wave pattern with that.
		In fact, you could use that they've simulated these reaction systems on the computer and they produce wave patterns.
		The idea I had was to apply these concepts that come out of chemistry, reaction kinetics, to physics.
		And now these are things that we just discovered in the last 50 years or so, the idea of chemical waves.
		Whereas physics traditionally is based on the idea of mechanical waves, which is a closed system idea.
		Now I was explaining this whole physics, which it's a whole paradigm shift involved to go to this.
		And by the way, I should mention I've made many predictions with this that have been right on target.
		Later they made discoveries exactly substantiating what I was saying.
		But I was explaining this to a friend and she said that sounds a lot like the tarot metaphysics, just the general concepts of what you're saying.
		And so I thought, geez, I have to take a course in this.
		And as I was, I found a course in Cambridge, Boston area, and as the teacher was explaining the concepts, I saw this physics being explained with the concepts in the right order.
		And that totally blew me away.
		It was such a crystal clear representation of this science, but in symbolic terms.
		In other words, let me explain.
		Maybe I should go into the Tarot.
		A lot of people might not be familiar with that, what it is.
		The Tarot comes through Europe from the Gypsies had brought this to Europe area.
		It's using fortune-telling.
		It has 22 picture cards.
		And there's a manuscript that's attributed to Yamblichus, a Neoplatonist philosopher from the 4th century AD.
		This describes an Egyptian initiation ceremony, of initiation into the Assyrian mysteries, where they talk about frescoes hung on the walls of a chamber.
		There were 22 of them.
		And the descriptions match the 22 arcana of the Tarot.
		So it's believed that the Tarot is actually a rendering of this knowledge that the priests were indoctrinated into.
		And in the document it talks about this being depicting the science of will, which is really, if you Want to translate that, it's the science of process in a way.
		Because will is the idea of directed activity.
		And as you get into this, you see that uh the first uh arcana from one through four, one through five, they're talking about the etheric processes that are going on and how they're they're ordered, this idea of two processes being interlinked into a loop.
		And then the last half, going from arcana six through ten, is talking about how fluctuations present in the ether are amplified by this looping process and grows into a wave pattern.
		So you see in studying the tarot that whoever designed us, and this appears to go back at least to ancient Egypt and probably most likely further back because the tradition says the Egyptians were preserving this from a more ancient time, you see that whoever designed us had a wave theory of matter.
		It's traditionally said that the first eleven arcanas of Tarot, 0 through 10, are talking about the creation of the physical universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this is knowledge once known, lost somehow.
unidentified		Right.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		And it's acknowledged that Tarot has a lost science.
		It's sort of like we're left with equations without the explanation.
		And Tarots have been trying to figure out what it means.
		And it's just that we have finally come to the level at which we can understand this now.
		Just in the last 50 years, we've developed that science that's encoded there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your other book is Earth Under Fire.
		And I think that it generally embraces the concept that we go through catastrophic cycles.
		Right.
		Is that accurate?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Right, yes.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Involving galactic core explosions affecting the Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are a number of Israeli scientists right now that believe that the dinosaurs were not, as traditionally thought, killed off by the KT event, something big smashing into the Earth, but rather were irradiated to death, virtually irradiated to death.
unidentified		Would you agree with that possibility?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay.
		They're talking about a close-by supernova.
		I think that supernovas, they do happen, but the chances of a close supernova are very slim.
		The closer you the star is to you, the the probability of it exploding and are much, much lower.
		I mean, we see supernova going on in our galaxy, but there's it, two hundred billion stars there.
		So the chances of one going off close enough to fry the dinosaurs, you're talking about maybe once every 500 million years.
		Maybe something like that could happen.
		But what I see as more likely causes, much more frequent event, is the galactic core explosions.
		These we see going on in other galactic cores.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, again, that gamma-ray burst that we detected recently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like that.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Oh, much more powerful.
		I mean, we're talking about that was like a flea compared to a galactic core explosion.
		Now, if that explosion, let me just put this in perspective, had happened in our own galaxy, at the core of our galaxy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We would be toast.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		It would have sterilized all life in the galaxy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sterilized.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Sterilized.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All life in the galaxy.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All life.
		Right down to dead.
		Right down to the microbes.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Whatever was facing that direction at the time that blast came through, the other side of the planet would have survived, but that side wouldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Doctor, hold on.
		Periodic, catastrophic events.
		I wonder how close we are to one.
		Don't you?
		We'll ask.
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		I think now, as we look back, we can probably say with pretty good certainty that some people in government might have been aware of what was going on and they turned their cheek the other way just to let it happen.
		I also believe that some bigger groups got involved with al-Qaeda to do what they did on that horrible day.
		This wasn't just a small group of people who came in and did their thing.
		There was a much bigger picture there.
		And if you see the events that have unfolded since this tragedy occurred, how we've lost rights, how we used it to go in Afghanistan and Iraq, and how it has really not stopped.
		Because it's going to continue.
		We're going to have more and more episodes and more and more involvement in other countries.
		And just mark my word, this planet is going through an incredible change.
		And thank God we've got you here to talk with us about it.
		Now we take you back to the night of November 10th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For those of you out there who know Father Malachi Martin, you may be interested in a progress report as of today.
		Father Martin's recovery appears to be miraculous.
		His right leg continues to strengthen.
		He only requires the use of a cane now for walking long distances and outdoors.
		His therapy time has been reduced to a few days a week.
		He continues to use his recovery time for writing his book.
		So it looks like Father Martin is going to continue to be with us.
		And at the first opportunity, of course, I would love to have him on the air again, and I will.
		Back now to Professor Laviolet.
		Professor, welcome back.
		We've got to try as best we can to find ways to explain things to the great unwashed, and I include myself in that scientifically.
		I'm not grasping all of it.
		I'm listening, and I'm sure what you're saying is scientifically accurate and that a lot of people in science out there are tracking with you.
		I'm not fully.
		I am partially.
		A question for you.
		Please ask your guest to comment concerning two Australian scientists named Barry Sitterfield and Trevor Norman and their theory that the speed of light is slowing down.
		They claim not only is the speed of light slowing down, but that it was very much faster 5,000 to 6,000 years ago, maybe 10 times as fast or more.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Well, the speed of light, I believe, is influenced by gravity.
		So if gravity potential is changing, this would change the speed of light.
		And that is the explanation of why light would be bent around the sun.
		For example, Einstein's experiment where he saw starlight bent around the sun.
		One way to interpret it is to say space is warped.
		That's what Einstein suggested.
		Another way is to say that gravity refracts light.
		In other words, that light will travel slower on the side closer to the sun and further away.
		This will cause a bending also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, variable.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So Einstein opted for constancy, velocity of light, instead warp space.
		The other alternative is that light velocity isn't constant, and instead it's influenced by gravity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right now, on our Earth, a far more mundane subject, I suppose, we seem to be going through a rather unusual period of time right now.
		Of course, we're mortal and we're here for a very short period of time, but in this short period of time I've been here, I'm beginning to see tremendous environmental change.
		It's very controversial, but it would appear that the planet is warming.
		We've got big pieces of ice in the Antarctic breaking off.
		We've got ice flows in unbelievable retreat.
		We're experiencing magnetic anomalies that are causing homing pigeons to not go home.
		And a lot of really weird things are going on with our environment right now.
		Any comments at all?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Well, I really can't explain what's happening right now, except to say maybe it has something to do with the greenhouse effect.
		This is nothing compared to what our ancestors went through at the end of the Ice Age.
		It was a time when the human race is nearly extinguished.
		You see here this in the myths.
		And I believe it's due to one of these core explosion events.
		What got me involved in this was the discovering this ancient science encoded in the zodiac and discovering that not only was the zodiac talking about matter-energy creation, but it also had pointers pointing to the galactic center.
		The constellations of Sagittarius and Scorpio.
		You have Sagittarius with his arrow drawn and myth says that he's aiming at the heart of the scorpion.
		And you look at the stinger of the scorpion and it's directed up and those two trajectories cross about where the galactic center is.
		And it's just amazing because how would they have known?
		It took us with radio telescopes to find this.
		Either the galactic center was luminous in those ancient times.
		In other words, we were going through a core explosion event, or they had some very sophisticated radio astronomy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which do you imagine to be the case?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually both.
		I think that they were very advanced.
		There's indications in the zodiac of a knowledge comparable to our own in terms of, for example, Virgo constellation.
		Virgo is pointing to the center of the local galactic supercluster.
		At a point in the message, if you study what the symbology of the zodiac lore is talking about, Virgo is the part where it's talking about the matter being created and forming galaxies.
		And here she's illustrating by pointing to the center of the local supercluster, the biggest cluster of galaxies that we're part of, the nearest galaxy clusters conglomeration.
		You also see the cosmic background radiation encoded in the zodiac, the directions in which it's hotter and cooler.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		so you're really saying then that birth and not just birth but uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		all that is goes through a period of catastrophic destruction near complete or complete destruction and then life springs forth again or life barely makes it through but whatever civilization or
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Some people are suggesting comets, other people suggest some sort of unusual shift to the poles.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Now, in my case, I was fortunate enough to discover this message that was sent from, I believe, as far back as 16,000 years ago, although it was in construction from about 16,000 years ago to about 11,000 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What message would that be?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		That's the zodiac and astrology lore that's connected with it.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		And it also includes other constellations that were put up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I was in Rome last year, and I went to the Vatican, and I went to the Sistine Chapel.
		And as you walk in the front door of the Sistine Chapel, the first thing you see is a gigantic globe with the signs of the Zodiac on it.
		It is remarkable, and it stops you cold.
		You wouldn't think that Catholicism would embrace the Zodiac signs, but there it is, Doctor, right as you walk into the Sistine Chapel.
		It's a real shocker.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		If you look at St. Paul's Cathedral there, Rome, at the Vatican, right at the four corners of the central place where the architecture crosses there, you see the four Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and they have the symbols of the four fixed signs of the zodiac, which form the Sphinx, the astrological sphinx.
		What I found is that the Sphinx is the key to unlocking the zodiac message, and the zodiac itself is in the form of a cryptogram.
		Now, we use this type of technique for communicating to extraterrestrial civilizations with our message that we sent out on Pioneer 10.
		In doing that, you put your message as a puzzle, and you provide a way to solve the puzzle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A key.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And you provide also a check mechanism.
		So once the other party has deciphered, has rearranged whatever it is, if they've done it right, the key shows they did it right.
		And that's done so that it's a way of transmitting knowledge to a civilization that doesn't know your language.
		Because then they know that they have correctly understood what you intended to say.
		And the zodiac was designed with this same technique.
		It's just incredibly sophisticated when you understand how it was put together.
		It makes our message look like child's play compared to the level of design that was put into the zodiac.
		By the way, I might mention that this is deciphered both in my book, Beyond the Big Bang, and in Earth Under Fire.
		Earth Under Fire, it completes the deciphering and showing how the zodiac is actually a message talking about this galactic explosion event and how it affected the Earth, how there was a cosmic ray volley that came through our solar system at the end of the ice age.
		And it's a recurrent phenomenon, something we should be concerned about for the future.
		If I could give my 800 number for ordering it.
		It's 1-800-715-9993.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Say it again.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		1-800-715-9993.
		Also, there's a video that's coming out at the end of the year.
		In fact, you can take orders now because it will be just in a matter of weeks, really, they can start delivering.
		And the number for that is 1-800-720-2114.
		This is a video of Earth Under Fire.
		And from what I hear, I haven't seen it myself yet, but I understand it's a very powerful piece.
		Again, that's 1-800-720-2114.
		So what you find is that there was an effort made to communicate about this phenomenon to the future.
		It's something that doesn't happen that often.
		In fact, if you look at the Earth's ice core record, you find evidence of these cosmic ray peaks with a periodicity of about 26,000 years, plus or minus several thousand years.
		And there's also a 13,000-year period in there.
		These are things that I ended up looking for once I had deciphered the message.
		In fact, I did this work for my PhD to check out this because this was at a time when we were believing that the galaxy is kind of a calm place, that nothing really ever happens to the Earth.
		You know, it was later than we started getting woken up to this idea when they found that the dinosaurs were wiped out by a comet or asteroid hitting the Earth.
		But the general prevailing view was one of more or less calmness in the galaxy.
		We saw these galactic core explosions going on in other galaxies, but it took astronomers a while to finally admit that they happened at the center of our own galaxy.
		And even then they were saying, oh, maybe these happen once every few hundred million years, and we're now in a quiescent period.
		And even if they did happen, the cosmic rays wouldn't reach us.
		They'd be trapped by magnetic fields in the core.
		And what this message was saying with the constellation is it was referring to a wave of energy that actually came from the galactic center and swept towards us at the speed of light.
		And in fact, you can see where it is now.
		It's passed us, it passed by at the end of the ice age, and you can plot out where this is in the galaxy, and you see energetic phenomena going on in that region.
		In fact, as it travels through the galaxy, it triggers supernova.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there, Doctor, any way to predict when the next wave might come?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Well, not exactly the time, because this is something that travels at the speed of light.
		So now we're looking toward the galactic center.
		One of these superwaves, I call them, galactic superwaves, could be five light years away, and we wouldn't know it because the cosmic rays are traveling as fast as the light from the...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Five light years away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, if my understanding of light years is correct, it would be...
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		You'd get the initial gamma ray flash kind of like what happened with that satellite detection, but much larger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Much larger.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Not something that would necessarily pasteurize the whole galaxy, but it could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would be the physical effects on Earth or our Sun or all we know if it hit?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Okay, looking at what happened before, and this is piecing together evidence from geology, astronomy, paleontology, and mythology, because myths turn out to be a really important source of knowledge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		We've been dismissing them as fall tales because we haven't had the context in which to put that.
		But as soon as you start becoming aware of this phenomenon, you see how it all makes sense.
		What would happen is these are mainly cosmic ray electrons.
		They form now what's called the galactic radio background radiation.
		If you astronomers look out there, they see a band of radio radiation around the galaxy, which they admit is created by cosmic rays.
		And if you plot that distribution of intensity, you find it matches an elliptical shell form, which is exactly the kind of shape this would have.
		Normally, if we were to look instantaneously at it, it would be spherical, but because you have to take account of the time for light to travel to us, it ends up distorting it into an elliptical shape.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If it were to hit.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		It would push cosmic dust into the solar system from outside.
		Right now we're within the edge of a supernova remnant called the North Polar Spur.
		This is not something that's typical for us.
		It's something that's been happening for the last three million years or so, that we've been through this region that's very dusty.
		And because of that, the whole phenomenon is made much worse.
		Whereas the cosmic rays themselves might raise genetic mutation rate, maybe double it or triple it if it hit.
		Of course, the gamma ray flash would do a lot higher mutation rate.
		The cosmic rays themselves aren't that strong to, for example, influence climate.
		However, the dust that they would end up bringing in would be, and that would do all sorts of things that would...
		Right, it would start scattering light onto the Earth, which would actually be a warming effect.
		I coined the word Interplanetary hothouse effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean kind of like we're having right now, only magnified.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		If you can imagine a comet tail, what that looks like, imagine that's all over the sky.
		So you wouldn't be able to see stars anymore.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, hold on.
		We'll be right back.
		And when we do get back, we'll finish this up and then begin to take calls.
		So if you have questions for Dr. Lovila, now would be a great time to come.
		And I see you're already here.
		Phone lines have been full for some time.
		We'll be right back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning from the high desert.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Dr. Paul Lavilot is my guest.
		And he'll be back in just a moment.
		Obviously, he's resonated with some of you out there because we're all jammed up.
		Boy, we're getting a lot of calls.
		So stay right where you are, and we'll be right back.
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		What is going on to necessitate this so quickly?
		There seems to be a deadline in their brains, and they need to get this done.
		They know their whole New World Order is inches from going up in flames.
		So they're afraid of the awakening, and they know that their collapse is about to take place because we've been asleep at the switch and we've let incredibly corrupt interests take control of our society.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to Dr. Laviolet.
		Doctor, this is kind of an interesting fact.
		It's from a fellow I know named Doug Selzom who wrote a song for me.
		It says, Art Paul, what about the implications of a steady state universe for ETs?
		They'd have had an infinite amount of time to develop to an infinitely advanced state and an infinitely long time to get here from an infinitely long distance.
		With a big bang, one can keep one's head in the sand and at least pretend that we might be the only life in the universe.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not saying steady state.
		I'm saying continuous creation, which had a beginning for this phase of creation.
		More along the lines of Hindu concept that there are cycles of creation.
		So let's say that for the last 10 trillion years, matter has been developing out of the ether.
		And that before that, the ether was still there, but calm.
		But if we go further back, let's say another ten trillion years back, maybe we'd encounter a time when again creation was in existence.
		Sort of like the idea of Vishnu dreaming.
		Sometimes he wakes up and he goes to sleep again.
		So while he's asleep dreaming, the particles begin forming, they gather, they form stars, galaxies, spiral galaxy arms thrown out, planets develop life, and so on.
		Consciousness emerges in the context of living in a three-dimensional world, hopefully remembering that it's tied at the higher level and that if all is dissip dissipated, our essence would still be there.
		So you could imagine these cycles going on.
		I d I don't think in the physical sense that you'd be able to communicate information from a previous cycle of creation to the next.
unidentified		However, I believe that Is that not what may lie below the Sphinx?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		What?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		What are you saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A communication from a previous creation.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Well here I'm talking about tens of trillions of years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well that's true.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Indeed if we're talking on shorter time scales of going back to the Ice Age period, I believe that there is this knowledge that's encoded in things like the Sphinx and the pyramids.
		My view about the pyramids is that they're a memorial to this cataclysm that occurred on the earth.
		This tie in with the Orion constellation.
		You have a myth of Orion getting stung by a scorpion and being placed as a constellation.
		There's another myth about Horus, the son of Osiris, becoming stung by a scorpion and brings darkness to the world and he finally revives, driving the poison out.
		The poison would be this cosmic dust that's occluding the sun.
		And that's tied again with these constellations and Scorpius, the galactic center.
		So you see that the Egyptian lore had this knowledge encoded.
		It was passing it down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's go back to the phones.
		First time color line, you're on the air with Dr. Laviolet.
		Hi.
unidentified		Would that be me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be you.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		It's not still the news on the radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Ashkosh, Wisconsin.
		All right.
		So the question about, because you were talking about the zodiac before, I was wondering about the, in the Revelations, the birth stones are mentioned in the foundations of the city of Christ, I suppose.
		Is that really are the birth stones necessarily related to the zodiac?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Okay, maybe an astrologer could answer that question.
		My approach has been to look at the symbolism of the zodiac lore and its astrological lore.
		Traditionally, of course, you know, it's used for casting of natal horoscopes.
		And what I'm finding is that there's this other dimension, you might say, to the astrological lore, that it's transmitting this science of creation, actually talking about the birth of the universe.
		So whereas we apply it to the birth of individuals, the metaphysical message that's encoded in there is on a larger scale.
		And in fact, at the same time, talking about something that happens periodically that greatly affects life and that causes, is responsible for the evolution of life on our planet, these galactic core explosions.
		If indeed astrology works as predictor of human personality at birth, it's something to wonder about all these aspects being encoded.
		You'd wonder if it really does work.
		Maybe people's souls are actually incarnating at certain times, depending on that particular birthday, to...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's very important.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		In other words, that somehow there's a connection between the beyond, the spiritual beyond, and the physical to maintain astrology somehow so that there's a correspondence between people's birth charts and the actual constellations.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		I'm just taking the side of an astrologer to say that there's credence to this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To the casual observer of what you believe occurs with these waves and this constant creation and destruction and creation, the casual observer would not see any sense to it.
		The casual observer would not be able to grasp it and understand it in a meaningful way.
		Now, you sort of toss in the immortal soul for us to hold on to, but otherwise it seems like sort of a senseless, cyclical creation without advancement or change past a certain point, which could well account for why ET is not here, because ET is going through the same damn thing, getting sterilized every now and then.
		Right?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think it's okay.
		It's not as bad as that event that occurred at the distant galaxy.
		Galaxies were much more active in earlier times, and the outbursts were a lot stronger.
		The event that happened 13,000 years ago, approximately, was probably one of the stronger events in some time.
		Because if you look further back, you don't see extinctions as widespread as happened.
		We experienced at that time the worst extinction in 65 million years since the time of the dinosaurs.
		If you look at the number of animals that died, the variety of species.
		So I would be surprised if it was going to be that serious for a while.
		we might have to go through many cycles before we get another one like that.
		But there are things that can be done to alleviate the consequences, which would be setting up a force field in space to deflect the cosmic rays before they get to the Earth, before they even get to the solar system.
		And there's technologies which you can use to do that.
		The Tesla technologies, which are presently classified, are used for electromagnetic warfare purposes.
		They're being developed for those purposes.
		I think we have a higher purpose here, a responsibility to develop these to protect our or to be ready to protect our solar system if such an event were to occur.
		It may sound like science fiction, but these technologies are quite amazing what they can do, done on a large scale.
		And remember, this is something that affects all stars in the galaxy.
		So it's not just our planet solar system that's gone through this.
		And I'd like to suggest this as a thought.
		If ETs are going to be communicating to us, you know, we have the SETI program that's there looking for signals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Noise.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		What are they going to be talking about?
		They're going to pick something that's the common denominator, something that everyone in the galaxy experience.
		That's the first rule in extraterrestrial communication is you want to pick something that's common between you and the other party.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so what would you imagine that to be?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Well, the last superwave.
		I believe that there's a need to communicate knowledge about that.
		There's probably a warning system set up.
		And I get into that in my next book, which I don't want to talk too much about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Dr. LaViolet.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		My name is Carla, and I'm calling from Fort Smith, Arkansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Carla.
unidentified		Hi, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		I've been talking so much here lately, I've just about lost my voice.
		But anyway, I have a question.
		I have always felt like that I am like different, you know.
		And my family, I had a grandfather.
		And I never met him.
		He died the day that I came home to meet him.
		He died that day.
		So my grandmother, she would tell me stories about that he could do, like he can make things move, like wooden objects through energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's called telekinesis, yes.
unidentified		And so it was just natural for me to try some of these things.
		And I can do it.
		And my dad can do it.
		Like, we put our hands off the table and do concentration, raise it up off the ground.
		I can look at an object.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, ma'am, this does not relate to what we're discussing tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or if it does.
unidentified		What they told me is that, like, I have a bipolar disorder, okay?
		And I wrote this letter.
		And in this, you know, like a computer has real time.
		I mean, it didn't have real time.
		And they're progressing where it has real time.
		In a bipolar disorder, your mind, like the electrons or neutrons in your brain, shoot off slow.
		And you can't even really think.
		And then you'll turn around.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't, yeah, I mean, that's one doctor's interpretation, who probably isn't into too much of the metaphysical.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		But these types of abilities are something that are more easily explained in this ancient science of creation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you can think it, it can be.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Not only that, but in other words, your mind or your unconscious somehow is controlling the fields of your body at an etheric level.
		In other words, there's more of your body than just the physical.
		There's an aura or whatever that extends outward.
		And if a person has the ability to learn to manipulate that, you can, for example, create etheric gradients in the vicinity of an object and cause it to move.
		When I say a gradient, I mean in other words, a force field.
		That's what is a force field.
		What are you doing?
		You're making a gradient in the ether.
		And in this science, it actually can explain what force is, why it causes things to move.
		This is something that physics doesn't do.
		It just puts the mathematical equations there, but it doesn't tell you what happens.
		The best way to understand it is imagine a chemical reaction wave.
		The reactions are generating this wave pattern.
		That's the particle of matter.
		Now imagine that there's another gradient you're imposing of certain chemical ingredients that are cutting across that wave.
		That superimposed gradient is going to disturb the reactions that are going on there.
		That system it's self-stabilizing.
		It's going to want to readjust itself to stabilize in the context of that perturbation that you're imposing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's always going to seek that, yes.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		And the result is it ends up migrating.
		It moves in space.
		That goes on every day with electrostatic gravitational attraction.
		And people who have the ability to do it through will are able to somehow create those same effects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Laviolet.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello.
		Hello, Art Bill.
		I'm Colin from New York.
		My name's Glenn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Glenn.
unidentified		Uh I just have a little comment for the doctor there about uh the Star Wars earlier that was uh a little bit funny.
		The guy was going about the force and it was this little uh anecdote I got over the internet that uh Lucas was in his twenties in a car accident and he kinda created the idea of the force because uh it kind of healed the spirit to get him out because he was really in a bad car accident.
		But uh other than his idea of talking you know about the force and you know the universe that's that's uh agreeable, it's fascinating.
		Uh my question is is uh is quantum poem I don't know if he's familiar with the term, I'm positive he is, he's a doctor, but quantum poem is that what what does that relate to his definition of ether?
		Which I kind of understand but I'm I'm trying to get an idea like are they kind of poems?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		You're taking an idea from conventional physics.
		Uh I call it conventional, okay, um which is based on the idea of virtual particles popping in and out of existence in pairs, sort of matter and any matter pairs.
		This is a different concept from what would be happening either.
		There you have it's more the analogy of a choppy C where the concentrations, the amount of etherons of X, Y, and G etherons let's say are varying in time.
		Why do they vary?
		It's because the reactions that are producing them, the way that these etherons interact with each other and produce new combinations, transmute, has to do with them coming together and that's a stochastic process how those happen to collide.
		And so from one moment to another the amount of those etherons will vary erratically and that's what causes that choppiness.
		Does that kind of give an idea?
unidentified		Yes, it explains it.
unidentified		It's totally different.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		And in the Hindu religion they speak of the Aum, the sound of creation, and that relates to that.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		That choppiness would be, you could say if you could hear it, it would be like a sound, a vibration in the ether.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, both of you have got to hold on for a moment, and that's what you're doing.
		Holding on, because we've got a break.
		Plot says so.
		I'm Art Bell from the high desert.
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		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from November 10, 1998.
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		I see them blue for me.
		And I think to myself, What a wonderful I see skies of blue and clouds of white the brightness of day darks of good night And I think to myself What
		What a wonderful world.
		The colors of the rainbow, so pretty in the sky, are also on the places of people going by.
		I see friends shaking hands, saying how they do, they're really saying how.
		I love I have made this crowd You'll just need Mark Bell somewhere in time tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from November 10th 1998 now that's the process of creation Good morning everybody from the high desert I'm Mark Bell Dr. Paul Levalot is my guest and we're talking about the wonderful world and beyond we'll be right back Streamlink,
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		I think now, as we look back, we can probably say with pretty good certainty that some people in government might have been aware of what was going on and they turned their cheek the other way just to let it happen.
		I also believe that some bigger groups got involved with al-Qaeda to do what they did on that horrible day.
		This wasn't just a small group of people who came in and did their thing.
		There was a much bigger picture there.
		And if you see the events that have unfolded since this tragedy occurred, how we've lost rights, how we used it to go in Afghanistan and Iraq, and how it has really not stopped.
		Because it's going to continue.
		We're going to have more and more episodes and more and more involvement in other countries.
		And just mark my word, this planet is going through an incredible change.
		And thank God we've got you here to talk with us about it.
		Now we take you back to the night of November 10th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
		Art Bell, Somewhere in Time First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Is that me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's you.
unidentified		Art, I'm so glad to hear you back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from Michigan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I've got a question for you and for the doctor.
		I had sent you a book, The Gods, Gemini, and the Great Pyramid.
		Did you ever receive it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have it indeed, yes.
unidentified		For the doctor, relative to the Great Pyramid, there have been some work with extremely sharp knives that they use in surgery.
unidentified		Does your theory explain an opportunity to make a knife so sharp that it might cut through the molecules of a granite block so that those blocks didn't have to be ground, but they could be cut?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		You've heard of a knife doing this?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Or are you just saying, is it possible?
unidentified		Is it possible to make a knife so sharp that it would cut through the molecules of the granite?
unidentified		So you're actually slicing it like you might slice butter?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't have too much expertise in material science.
		I do know that if you grow crystals, like iron crystals, for example, are 100 times stronger than steel, it might be possible to fabricate something that's very thin and extremely strong.
		Who knows?
		Maybe what you're saying might be a possibility that it could probably be done in other ways too, maybe with sound waves or microwave maser type beam of some sort.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, I've got to ask you to speak up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kind of dropping away on me there.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		I was thinking maybe it could be done through microwaves, you know, like a maser or sound waves, ultrasound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that's kind of where he was going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe the knife was a little metaphoric, but there could be something that would do that.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're thinking of how the blocks were cut so smoothly?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's where he's going, of course, yes.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		And not just the pyramids.
		You find in South America these blocks that are fitted together with extreme precision, and it's just amazing how it could have been done.
		I don't know.
		It just is a technology that I don't think even we have.
		There's a case of Baalbek, the temple of Baalbek in Syria.
		I touch on this in Beyond the Big Bang.
		Just huge colossal stones that are weighing hundreds of tons, something like 24 or 30 feet long and 12 feet by 12 feet thick.
		And you wonder how did they place these to form this temple?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, indeed.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		They were quarried something like a mile away, and there's no evidence of a roadway leading from the quarry to the place of construction.
		So these are among the mysteries.
		Like also the Temple of the Sphinx also uses these colossal stones.
		John Anthony West writes about these stones in his book, Serpent in the Sky.
		So it just seems that there was some technology or powers were being used to make these that are beyond what we use today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Beyond indeed, and may again attain one day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Levio.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		What is that me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's you.
unidentified		I have a statement first that kind of applies to what we've been talking about tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And it's kind of something I wrote three lines on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in Wisconsin.
		My name is Joshua.
		Okay.
		All right.
		It starts out, observing creation may kill us.
		Observing destruction may set us free.
		Observing our own ignorance may point us in the right direction.
		And I was wondering, we keep talking about this point that everything's coming to, like, maybe it's destruction or maybe it's creation.
		And to me, that point is now and everything exists in that point of now.
		For me, the destruction of the planet Earth, the galaxy, and space itself happened probably yesterday.
		And I just to me it's all personal.
		I mean, there is no, I don't see why everyone's looking for an end of everybody else when is it just because we can't face our own death?
		That's what it seems to me.
		And I was just wondering if either of you had any comments on that.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Doctor?
		Well, I kind of agree with you that what really matters is this moment and being and being connected to the essence that's there beyond the physical.
		And that's what's really important.
		My books tend to look more in the past so we can kind of understand what happened in our past.
		they say those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it.
		Obviously something dramatic did happen and you see the record of it left.
		As for what will happen in the future, you know you get different theories, different people are saying various dates and so on.
		My approach is I think we should be prepared.
		You know we shouldn't get scared by this.
		We should just keep cool head.
		As soon as you start getting frightened in fact there's a tendency I believe in human nature to ignore the negative because we just want to have that kind of peaceful view on life.
		And I guess that's probably what's happening with this Y2K thing.
		People just want not imagine it's a problem because that would make them worry and feel depressed and then you end up having the problem.
		And if we can just say, look, be a little detached about this, say look at it as a phenomenon.
		It's something that happens in the galaxy.
		Other civilizations went through this same thing in other planets.
		And that's what determines if a race evolves to a higher level.
		Because if you're going to get swatted down every time a superwave comes, you're not going to get very far.
		But if you're going to manage to convey knowledge to your future generations that this thing happens and prepare for the next one, you will advance.
		And I believe that there are civilizations that did make it.
		And I think humanity can do it too.
unidentified		Don't you believe that I mean for me, how do you know what the past is?
		I mean, I never see a fixed point, which is the past.
		And I don't see it evolving towards anything except right now.
		I mean, where is this evolution?
		I don't see evolution, I guess.
		To me, it's all fixed.
		It's all an illusion of movement.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you have a perspective that goes beyond the three-dimensional realm.
unidentified		Beyond any dimension.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		And that's a very valid framework, I believe.
		I think that ultimately as we advance, we tend towards that state of mind.
unidentified		But is that an evolution, or is that just where we were the whole time?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		I believe that we were probably more aware of this sort of thing, of this higher dimensional reality that we are part of, that we had this awareness in the past.
		And the human race went through a traumatic experience.
		I mean, it was nearly wiped out.
		Maybe, I mean, you read these myths, and the Indians were, there was one case they were putting their children and a young squaw and a young brave in a canoe, a huge boat, kind of like an ark that they made, to survive the flood, and the rest of them died.
		So you see what people went through, and you can imagine what impact this has had, you know, just the trauma of it.
		So it may take many generations for us to get back to the level of awareness or whatever that we once had.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it sure does take somebody with some powerful rose-colored glasses to look at it the way you do.
		But I suppose the larger picture, if you really look at the larger picture, you can certainly look at it that way.
		But in the short term, when you're talking about generations or even millions of years before something crawls forth again, I mean, there's two different ways to look at this.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Well, the major event was the part that was really disastrous was the coronal mass ejection hitting the Earth.
		And you have tales of how people were surviving in caves where they stuck a long stick out to see if it was cooled off enough.
		Every time they pull it back, it was charred.
		And finally, after about five or six days, it was no longer charred.
		And so after a few more days, they went out.
		And what they saw was everything was blackened.
		So there were survivors, you know, many of them were smart enough to seek shelter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would we have warning of a...
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Well, the kind that we're getting now are small compared to.
unidentified		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm talking about something.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		If the sun was active like it was in the past, probably a few days, they would have seen it coming.
		They would have seen this huge outburst from the sun.
		Probably it would have radiated a lot of X-rays and gamma rays initially.
		But then they knew the worst was going to hit later, which was this particle blast, because they were probably observing this activity on the sun, these luminous balls being shot out into space.
		They could see this.
		I mean, you hear myths about the dragon and the dragon burning things.
		And so, in fact, these Indian mounds may have been fallout shelters that were built.
		You've heard about the Indian mounds, Ohio and various parts of the country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		And they find inside skeletons that were incinerated.
		And it's almost like maybe they miscalculated, didn't realize it was going to be that hot.
		They thought they could survive in there.
		The radiocarbon dates on those shelters are very young.
		They're more like some of them 500 BC.
		But there is a process which I discuss in my PhD thesis where solar cosmic rays can actually generate carbon-14 within bones and within the body of animals by transmuting the nitrogen.
		The nitrogen gets changed into carbon-14, making it appear that those remains are much younger than they really are.
		And so anytime you, in fact, they find anomalous dates for mammoth bones.
		I mean, we know these mammoths were a part of the same extinction that happened about 12,750 years ago, but some of them have dates that are as recent as 6,000 years ago.
		And this would be explained if the extinction involved a solar conflagration with particle radiation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning to you.
unidentified		I'm Colin from Prosser, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And I was wanting to ask the doctor, I'm not very bright on physics and stuff, but I do a lot of thinking.
		You know, I'm an insomniac.
		I lay in bed and think about things.
		The other night, I was thinking about the core of the Earth, and it's molted metal, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are various theories.
		Some think it's iron core.
		Nickel.
		And some think it is molten metal.
		Yes?
unidentified		Okay, now would the mantle and the crust spin around the core?
unidentified		Or would they all revolve at the same speed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's actually a very good question, Doctor?
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		I would have to say I'm not sure.
		They do, with seismic studies, they know that there's a difference.
		If you go so many percentage of the radius towards the center of the Earth, something like halfway down, they encounter this boundary where they get echoes back indicating a change of state.
		It could be their density or change from more of a solid to more of a liquid.
		Very possibly you get differential rotation.
		The center could be moving, you know, they believe there's convection currents down there going on.
		The center's rotation, well, the whole rotation of the Earth acts like a homopolar generator, and they believe that's what generates the Earth's magnetic field.
		By the way, the sub-quantum kinetics physics that I've developed can account for the heat generation at the center of the Earth.
		It's this same blue shifting of radiation.
		If you postulate this as a universal phenomenon that's going on, you would expect heat to be evolved from the Earth, which is just what you see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		And the same would explain for Jupiter and Saturn.
		They see more energy coming out than it's going in.
		That's right.
		And in fact, what I did as a prediction, I said if this is true, then there should be a relation between the heat output of the heavy planets and the stars.
		And so I ended up extending what's called the mass-luminosity relation.
		That's where you plot the mass of the star versus its luminosity, and I find that they all line up on this relation line.
		And I projected it down to the planets, the mass range of the planets, and I plotted them.
		And they fell right very close to this line, which indicates that whatever is generating the heat in the center of the heavy planets like Jupiter and Saturn is the same that's producing the energy output from the red dwarf stars.
		And that fusion might be a secondary energy source that kicks in at higher mass.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		much of what you say i mean a lot of what you say particularly uh...
		with respect to the uh...
		uh...
		generation energy and plants again parallels uh...
		what richard hoagland has had to say uh...
		have you been following his uh...
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		I've sent him copies of my books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would imagine the two of you would have a great deal in common.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doctor, it has been a real pleasure having you on the air, and we're out of time.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you very much for the opportunity to talk with you and enjoyed very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll do it again sometime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, Doctor.
paul laviolette ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
		Dr. Paul A. Leviland was my guest, and that should give you some food for thought.
		Listen, no matter what you do, if you didn't hear it earlier, you're not going to want to miss the next hour in repeat if you get a chance to hear it.
		And the first two hours tomorrow night.
		Followed by David Ike or Isabic.
		We'll find out tomorrow night.

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