Richard C. Hoagland and Art Bell examine the EQ Pegasi "Pegasus" signal, a claimed artificial spike detected by Australia’s ATCA in November, matching three independent observations—Guernsey, Japan, and Australia—suggesting an interstellar probe decelerating toward Earth at ~4,000 mph. The GeoCities website, originally hosting details, now displays an NSA seal, hinting at government suppression, while Harvard’s unpublished "minor anomalies" raise questions about credibility. Hoagland ties the signal to mythological symbolism (Pegasus, 666 as "E lying") and celestial alignments from ancient Egypt, including the Great Pyramid’s shafts, speculating NASA’s rituals—like Apollo 13’s 13:13 launch—mask deeper extraterrestrial connections. With troop movements near Phoenix and Clinton-era executive orders allowing potential martial law after December 7th, they urge amateur astronomers to track the signal’s predicted path, warning of a possible cover-up amid intelligence community conflicts. [Automatically generated summary]
I'm Art Bell, and boy, do we have a lot to do tonight.
We are going to be covering the Pegasus story from stem to stern tonight.
Why are we doing that?
Well, we have on our hands, as I told you from the beginning, either the greatest hoax of the century.
To be the greatest, I don't know.
There might be better ones, but this one was pretty good if it's a hoax.
Or we've got the biggest story of the century, if not all of mankind's history.
I don't know.
And we're going to try and clear that up for you tonight.
We may leave you with more questions and answers, but I can tell you a couple of things straight up.
One, if you go to the link that was the Geo-Annoying Cities site, which had the information about the Pegasus signal on it, all you now get is an NSA seal, you know, kind of like the site has been sealed by the National Security Administration.
Well, we, won April 1st, Keith played a good joke on the FBI and put an FBI seal where our site would normally be on April 1st.
And, well, I'll tell you, you think that we had just committed some great federal crime, which apparently we had.
And they told us to immediately take that seal down.
So if the NSA seal on the GeoCity site is itself a hoax, then you'd think whoever put it up is going to be in trouble.
But nevertheless, there it is where all the information was.
Now there's just an NSA seal.
So there is that.
And then there is a remarkable, remarkable story from Australia.
To see that, you go to my website, you scroll down to the guest area, find the name Richard C. Hoagland, and click on the Australian information.
A number of very large dishes have found a signal at the place where it ought to be.
But they somehow are denying that it's what we think it is.
It is nevertheless there.
I mean, it's a spike coming out of the noise like Jodi Foster's kavoomp, kavoomp, kavoomp.
It's just a gigantic spike coming out of the noise.
So, you know, we're going to try and clear some of this up for you tonight.
And I'll read you a couple of items.
By the way, it has been suggested, and I thought this was the best facts I got all day long today, that when John Glenn comes back from space, we all dress up in ape suits.
Now, does NASA have that kind of sense of humor?
Probably not.
But you've got to admit, it would be funny.
I mean, the guys who normally wear the white suits and all that, all they'd have to do is have an ape head.
And maybe they could drop something in the tang that the astronauts are supposed to always be drinking.
They would temporarily disable their vocal cords, and that would do the job.
Right.
We've got a couple things to do.
I want to read you a couple things.
And then Richard C. Hoagland and the chronology of the whole Pegasus thing, whatever it is.
We're into that story tonight.
Well, that's disappointing.
That is not what I expected, but it will do.
Anyway, Richard C. Hoagland coming up in just a moment.
Stay right where you are.
I've got a facts here from Bryn Marie in San Francisco, says Art.
I really do know why you went away.
You went on a secret mission for the betterment of all humankind.
Time travel is now possible, and as a test, you were sent back to try and prevent the conception of Steve Benson.
Oh, well, better luck next time.
All right.
All right, here we go.
Let me first read this.
It comes from Science and Technology, the BBC News, British Broadcasting Corporation.
Some greeted it as a breakthrough.
Others were more suspicious, believing it to be a hoax.
Now, the strange case of the alien signal from a nearby star seems to be just that.
Last week, it was claimed that a British engineer working for a telecommunications company had picked up a strange signal from a nearby star system called EQ Pegasi.
The data was posted on the internet, starting a flurry of debate.
Not my site, by the way.
Yes, we did link to it, though.
Some astronomers went away to look at EQ Peg.
Others were suspicious.
And we have a quote here from the Extraterrestrial Intelligence League, SETI League.
For the past 10 days, we've been chasing a ghost, says the executive director.
The SETI League has a network of 900 members in 48 countries.
Many of them operate small radio telescopes as part of their search for alien signals from space.
But none of them have been able to find the claimed signal from EQ Peg.
He goes on to say: real science has been jeopardized.
It is no longer just a hoax.
It is sabotage of a highly respected grassroots effort.
Anyway, one more item, and then it's off to Richard C., and you know what the C stands for, Hoagland.
You know how our press treats, I've just got to read this again, you know how our press treats stories about E.T. or anything paranormal, right?
They always treat it the same way, swamp gas, time compression, you name it.
They're in denial.
Well, here is a fact for you.
When Orville and Wilbur Wright, a couple of bicycle repairmen, persisted in their efforts to fly machines that were heavier than air, they found themselves flying in the face of dogma.
Their first successful flights at Kitty Hawk took place in December of 1903.
But in January of 1906, the well-respected scientific American published an editorial entitled, quote, The Wright Aeroplane and its Fabled Performance, unquote.
Said the editorial, quote, if such sensational and tremendously important experiments are being conducted in a not very remote part of the country on a subject which almost everybody feels is of the most profound interest,
is it possible to believe that the enterprising American reporter, who it is well known, comes down the chimney when the door is locked in his face, even if he has to scale a skyscraper to do so, would not have ascertained all about them and published it long ago?
You know, if it weren't for the fact that we've got an extraordinary solid hit out of Australia, at this point, I would be willing, I'm sure, along with most of the mainstream media, most of the mainstream radio astronomers, most of the amateur guys, the SETI league, people like Seth Sostek and all the others, to say, this was one humdinger of a hoax, let's get back to the real world.
And I think tonight, Art, and everyone else is listening, that that's exactly what someone has intended us to believe.
That, in fact, we are not dealing with an either-or.
We're dealing with a both.
That we have both a hoax and a real signal, a real story.
In this model, and I'm going to read you some data.
Remember, we have people on the ground in London, unlike certain other news agencies who have been content to send emails and get emails back saying from Paul Dorr, oh, I never did any of this.
We actually have people, physical, real warm bodies in London digging, doing what old-fashioned reporting used to be about, where you tramp the streets and call the phone directories and make the house calls and all that.
And I'm going to read you some material from one of those people a little later.
Which indicates that not only do we have a real phenomena here, a real anomalous signal out there somewhere tonight, beamed toward Earth, picked up by several independent folks, and finally by a major professional facility in Australia.
The ATCA, the Australian Telescope Compact Array, is a miniature version of the VLA, the very large array which Jodi Foster used in the movie, Just South of Me Here in New Mexico.
The VLA has 27 antennas set in a Y-shaped railway track configuration, so they can be moved many, many miles apart to synthesize a big radio telescope.
The farther apart the edges of the dishes are, the finer the resolution and the better the resolving power.
The compact array is a kind of miniature, you know, it's kind of the Bill Gates version down in Australia of the very large array.
The astonishing thing in our update tonight, you know, because Enterprise has been posting during the week updates on this story.
Well, tonight's update is called, Down Under Radio Astronomers Are Upside Down.
Prove they're just horsing around.
Because they've got an enormous whomping contact Jody phosphor type signal, and they claim it's interference, and the signal is four times the noise.
Four times the noise and narrow band and conforms to artificial.
Furthermore, when they go into greater detail in the various other analyses posted below on their own website, that the signal is modulated, the signal is moving, all the things that we said Friday night, right?
The signal is downshifted from the original detection signal posted by DOR last week, they ignore all that and claim with a wave of their hand, oh, it's just interference from a satellite.
Now, NORAD, remember our friends in Cheyenne Mountain, publish a very comprehensive list of everything in orbit down to nuts and bolts and astronaut gloves that were lost during the space program 30 years ago.
Do the ATCA astronomers take the trouble to look up in the computer any satellite that might conform to their, quote, interfering signal?
I don't know, but my conclusion is, and we'll in the next half hour get into the substance, is that we're dealing with a reality and a hoax to cover the reality.
And the hoax is somehow involved, I believe, with the spooks, with the intelligence agencies.
You'll be out there on the runway with the ape suit, right?
The problem we have here is that we're getting a lot of intelligence that there is a war going on inside the intelligence community regarding information such as this.
So my proposal is that the insignia on that website is real tonight.
It's posted by the fraction that's trying to help.
And they have the clout politically to keep it there because they are obviously NSA as well.
And the fact that it's still there means to me in this model that there is a faction tonight that wants us to follow the trail, that's basically using that as evidence that there is a, that there is, you know, where there's fire, or where there's smoke, there's fire.
And it is designed to keep us moving in the direction of further confirmation, which means we need more radio observatories that, in fact, can look at a signal like the Australian Telescope Array and follow it.
We have posted on this update tonight the astronomers from down under who are just horsing around.
This thing on the Australian site, if they're saying it was some sort of interference, then clearly they would have cited what it was because they catalog everything that it could be, and they would know exactly what it is.
I don't care what you say about me, but spell my name right.
More people now know the concept of SETI, know there might be something out there, know there's controversy, know there's people who they can join or they can talk to.
So in our effort to get to the truth, what do you think we know tonight?
Lay out as best you can what you think we know and what you think the three signals we do know about in England, in Japan, and now in Australia, what they mean and why you believe this is real being covered by a hoax.
Yep, well, let me start with the hoax part, all right, because I want to put some data on the table.
We had, as you heard me say a few nights ago, actual people in England who I was able to call upon, friends, people I've known for, well, in this case, 30 years, who I trust implicitly.
So I gave them the task to go and find out.
I wanted them to get into the press conference.
That was our original idea.
So I sent them data on how to locate and all this using the information that was on the GeoCities website.
And the following morning, I got a response that was, frankly, very, very disturbing.
I think we had a heads up on this before even GeoCities posted the notification that Door's press conference had been canceled.
This is what my correspondent said.
I have called, this was on Tuesday, the 3rd, all right?
I have called the British Astronomical Association, who say they know nothing about the press conference.
Then I called the Royal Society of Chemistry, who handle the Scientific Society's lecture theater.
They looked into it and called back saying there is no such press conference scheduled there tomorrow.
In fact, the Environment Agency has the theater booked for the entire day.
I have spoken to the British Interplanetary Society, the British National Space Center, the editor of Astronomy Now magazine, and even Rang the Sun and asked for Nathan Keyes.
Remember, he was the correspondent who was supposed to have gotten a press release.
Okay, but here's, well, let me interject one thing.
You know what made this story jump out as real to an awful lot of people?
The fact that the BBC, which is normally not exactly an organization that jumps on anything, did a rather extensive report on the whole Pegasus business, and the BBC just doesn't do that.
He is a Jodreal Bank radio astronomer, Ph.D. in astronomy, good credentials, solid, now is the science editor at the BBC.
He did jump on the story.
If the BBC had not posted that initial story, then none of the rest of this would have happened.
So Nathan Cohen, who is the Boston University astronomer who assailed this whole thing early in the business wire, he has been engaged in a kind of an interesting back and forth vitriolic debate on some website.
I think it's MSNBC's, or maybe it's Borderland Science, Michael Thoreau's page, to the effect that if White House hadn't made this a story, nobody would have cared and it would have died as a hoax as it should.
And White House says, wait a minute, we posted both sides.
And then Cohen says, well, there was no other side.
It was a hoax.
And then White House said, but the SETI League says in their website, apparent hoax, leaving the door open that the signal could be true and on and on and on.
So it's kind of disintegrated into a he said, he said thing.
My correspondent went on to say, in trying to dig up information on the press conference, This is a week and a half later.
It has been interesting, but it is obviously a hoax.
Remember, this was before the plug was pulled, before the announcement of cancellation.
We found out hours before that there was no scheduling of a press conference.
This is critical.
The information, this person goes on to say, is definitely wrong.
I spoke directly with the man who runs the lecture theater, Colin Powell.
How's that for a coincidence?
Who also knows nothing about it?
Finally, I do not believe that a press conference was ever planned.
Certainly, it was never promoted, and the press was not invited to attend.
The hall, as described, was not booked.
I am suspicious.
An MSNBC reporter did a story about it.
He contacted Paul Doerr by email.
That's today.
And response from Doerr was a denial that he was involved in anything of the sort.
This is, well, this is a Door supposedly who claims that he worked at Siemens Plessy, which is the aerospace firm that appeared on the GeoCity's website a couple years ago and now works for a small company, and that someone stole his bio, his curriculum vita, somehow and put it on the web with a picture with a black line across the eyes to kind of make it impossible to recognize.
And this whole thing has been fabricated.
Well, I find all of this fascinating because what we now know from our own digging, our own on-the-ground, soles of your foot shoes, shoe leather, the press conference was never even scheduled.
Well, what it might mean, and I know exactly where you're going, living up to your middle initiative, that there really is a signal there, and the best way to squash it is to do exactly what they did and perpetrate what turns out to be an obvious hoax to cover a reality.
It appeared in a newspaper, and it's designed to appeal to students to join the CIA.
It says Central Intelligence Agency.
It's a real newspaper story.
It says student program, summer 1999.
Listen to me closely.
College sophomores and juniors are invited to apply.
The CIA student programs are 1993.
Programs are designed to give promising undergraduate and graduate students the opportunity to gain practical work experience to complement their academic studies.
While earning competitive income, students will participate in meaningful work assignments commensurate with their academic training.
Housing assistance is provided.
Other work programs for students are also available.
Desired majors, electrical engineering, computer engineering, computer science, mathematics, economics, physics, remote sensing, languages, international studies, logistics supply, and it goes on and on and on.
I've got the whole ad.
Must be U.S. citizen, minimum GPA of at least 2.75 required, blah, blah.
And then you can fill out the form, and it is a real CIA ad.
Okay, now in truth, for all the skeptics who are screaming into the radio at the moment, remote sensing is a technical term applying to sensors in spacecraft above the Earth.
They believe the Constitution maybe should be followed.
And the other half is trying to cover everyone's, you know, whatever.
We may be seeing the evidence of a breakdown.
As I said tonight with Dames, there is a breakdown at all levels in the command authority.
And this may be an indication because there is, boys and girls, a real signal out there tonight, a whomping Jody Foster type signal, which is on our combined websites.
The thing we have to keep in mind, Art, is that a couple of months ago, we were given a heads up by sources that I know that have given us good information, corroborative information from the agencies, that there was an imminent arrival of something and a landing.
And we have been checking this out six ways from Sunday, and frankly, I, you know, initially it was like, oh, give me a break because there have been so many rumors in the UFO community for all these years.
And remember, we don't do UFOs.
We're looking at artifacts, things that stand still, NASA data, image enhancement, experts that know what they're talking about.
So UFOs I avoid like the plague, or at least I have.
But this was so persistent and came from such levels with such corroboration, ultimately including, you know, NASA.
We now know what it's called.
The project is called Project Samson.
Samson.
What does Samson do mythologically?
We need to talk about mythology tonight a lot because it's all through this story.
What is Samson?
Remember the guy with the long hair that was cut by Delilah, so his strength, you know, disappeared?
Now, given that we know that there is hyperdimensional technology, that we can see it on the shuttle videos, that we have all kinds of reports that you get every single night from Peter Davenport, going back to the 40s and before of weird things going bump in the night, you know, flitting around, the idea that a real interstellar spaceship has to crawl along at a mere 4,000 miles per second is ludicrous.
Most people on this planet tonight think that the most extraordinary advanced technology is being inhabited by a guy wearing a bunny hat with glasses who was a U.S. senator.
You know, this white thing's wings.
That's the epitome of advanced space technology.
For that crowd, something coming in at 4,000 miles per second is going to look like something out of Star Trek.
That's the mainstream SETI crowd, who most of them don't even believe in the ability to go between stars, let alone have spaceships drop in for dinner.
So if you wanted to stage an event, this gets more complicated, if you wanted basically bring people up to speed that there is another reality around us out there, then if you create the mainstream version of ET first contact, starting with signal, then moving on to craft lands in desert, remember the American Southwest, and then appropriate responses by government.
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Well, I told you I got that ad from the newspaper, and I just scanned it and sent it to Keith, and we've got it up on the website right now.
And I'll be damned if one of the qualifications saw it is not remote sensing.
I'm serious.
Go look at the ad for yourself.
Maybe I guess I'm doing them a big favor.
I bet they get a lot of new agents out of this, but I'm serious.
It says remote sensing.
Go take a look.
It's on the website now at www.artbell.com.
We're talking about Pegasus.
Of course, have you seen the NSA symbol up there where all the information used to be?
That is the information that was present up until Richard discovered what they found in Australia.
Anyway, we'll get back to Richard.
See Hoagland in just a moment.
And we'll catch you up and proceed.
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And that is what we are indeed discussing with Richard C. Hoagland, who is back now.
So, again, it is your belief, in summary, that this whole Pegasus business that was on GeoCities, now covered with the scary NSA symbol with all the information taken down, that in itself is very weird, is a well-orchestrated, and it was well-orchestrated, hoax to cover up.
So, of course, that raises the question, does Dr. Whitehouse, as an alum of John Real Bank, know something that we don't know and was hoping that there'd be other confirmations?
In other words, what we're really getting into is a very philosophical area.
It's kind of like why the Australians got a signal but claim they haven't got one.
I don't think it's conspiracy.
I think it's educational dysfunction.
It's the Wright brothers thing.
It's the 1903 story of flying heavier-than-aircraft in a psychological environment, a political environment, where that is known to be impossible.
And as you said, they flew for two years and the American press never wrote a story.
Because, of course, it had to be a hoax.
I think the SETI people are in the same vein.
And we know this because of our very sad and long experience with the Sidonia problem.
Remember, the main problem that Sidonia presents is that aliens don't stay safely at home picking up telephones and calling across interstellar space.
They pick up the spaceships and move and put down roots and set up colonies and build cities and pyramids and places.
That's what Sidonia is saying, if it is real.
And of course, I affirm tonight that the data is overwhelming and it's real.
Let me just quickly, shortly interrupt to say that apparently we don't have the English portion of this.
Keith on the links page has posted Les Signeur d'IQ Pégu Saill.
And it's all in French.
And so if somebody who can speak French would be kind enough to go up there and give us a summary of what it says, we'd all be very grateful you'd think they could put it in English.
Well, given you've got limited time on the most extraordinary telescope in the world, and time is money and time is time, why would you look where there's no hope of finding it?
Anyway, the whole point of this is that the EQ designation is also bizarre.
There are more coincidences in this story, which hopefully we'll get through as we go through the morning, because EQ is a designation of a double star, right?
Of all the stars to get a signal from, it's the one flare star in the whole Pegasus system with a designation that refers to Pegasus.
EQ.
Equus.
Which is horse in Latin for those people who never took Latin or fell asleep during Latin.
And on and on.
In other words, if you then flash forward the film, there was running on CNN last night and has been running for months two commercials, twin commercials, for Quest, which is a communications company.
The other commercial with the young blonde with the horse and the stark landscape and the pyramid-shaped mountains.
And she takes this disc-shaped stone and she flings it across the water, skipping it across the water, and there's this gorgeous shot from under the water as this disc-shaped stone skips.
And there are these zeros and ones, zeros and ones, obviously communications from the flying saucer-type stone skipping across the water with lightnings flashing around the horse.
The point is, if you're going to decode this, if we're looking at signals sent to various audiences to alert them that something big is going down, you want to delay everyone knowing until it's inevitable, you want a select group to know because they're in on it, this is a scenario You'd follow.
It's right out of the textbooks.
You know, if you were going to open up a line for intelligence officers and agents and military people who are sick to death of this and would like to tell us the truth, do you want to do that?
Absolutely.
During the QA, we need to open a line dedicated to folks that know what's going on and are willing to tell the American people the truth.
You realize that when you do that, you're going to get all kinds of noise.
Oh, Richard, you're going to get, well, I'm perfectly willing to do it, but I'm telling you right now that what you're going to get, you know, well, it's going to be entertaining, and then some of it, just some of it, might be the real McCoy.
Before you know what you're dealing with, you look for a pattern.
We have found a staggering pattern that is so overwhelmingly recursive, I would please recommend that in your copious spare time, you go to the web and you download the call from Pegasus link that we have there.
Well, you've got to give an explanation, I think, of the three signals that we do know about or we think we know about, England, Japan, and Australia, and how they link in a way that makes sense.
There is an agency which is supposed to explore space.
There are dissident members of that agency like Ken Johnston, Jr., who have leaked extraordinary data, who is a mason, who has provided compelling confirmation of a lot of the pattern that we have decoded, that NASA's been up to extraordinary ceremonial stuff for decades.
You build it, and then real guys show up because of you.
Art, I got to tell you, you know, I'm thinking back and I'm saying to myself, if it weren't for Art and his persistence on this story, and I must tell everybody, when the hoax was revealed, when the press conference was canceled, I was ready to basically sign off this whole thing.
Even the guy with C in the middle of his name felt that we had all been had.
And it was talking to you, Art, and your nose for news, your intuitive bump, you kept saying, there's something here, there's something here.
So last night, after we left, you know, I went digging through the web and found the Australian signal.
And I must say that you were partly responsible.
Because after you're at this for 15 years and no one seems to give a damn, and the agency goes on and pull the wool over everybody's eyes and make cat box images out of extraordinary data on Mars, you get a little bit tired.
So I went the extra mile and came up with the Australian confirmation.
The signals that we saw from Guernsey and from Japan, I believe, are real honest amateurs who came to the well with data because of you, because of the visibility that you started on Friday night last with this story.
No matter how you look at this, the BBC, I guess, broke the story into the mainstream press, and that's really how it took off.
The GeoCity site that contained the information now has only an NSA, that's National Security Agency logo on it, as though it has been taken over by the NSA.
Richard believes, and I tend to agree, that this is an obviously easily detected hoax to cover something that may be very much real.
And there are signals that have been received the latest from Australia.
You're welcome to go take a look yourself.
It is a thumping, gigantic, unmistakable spike of a Jody Foster type signal.
And you can see it.
Go to my website, scroll down Richard Hoagland's name, and you'll see the Australian reference.
Click on that, and it's a monster of a signal.
So one way or the other, there's some gigantic story going on here, and we're trying to get to the bottom of it.
Any of you who have any information about this of substance, about this specific Pegasus thing, are welcome to call, and we'll sort of sift through the calls.
So that applies to all lines.
Everybody else, just sit back and listen to what we get.
If you are in a government agency and you have information or no information about this, then we want to hear from you.
Otherwise, sit back, turn your volume up and listen because there's just no telling what may happen.
So that applies to all phone lines now.
They are hereby shut down for calls for any other reason.
If you have information regarding the Pegasus story, feel free to call any line you can get through on.
Otherwise, sit back and listen.
Well, my CIA ad may not be about remote viewing.
There is another kind of remote sensing.
But whether or not that's it, I have no way of knowing.
I do have, I did scan the CIA ad this person sent me, and it stands alone as an interesting ad, whether or not it refers to that kind of remote sensing.
You've got to see it.
If you've never seen a CIA recruitment ad, this is your opportunity to see it.
They should send me a thank you letter.
I'm sure I'm going to get lots of agents for them for putting this up on the website.
As of Friday, we projected, based on only Doers data and the Guernsey report, which showed that there was a difference in signal strength and all that.
We said, look, suppose this isn't coming from the star.
Suppose it's so loud, so strong, because it's nearby, in the neighborhood.
It's a probe.
Back in the 1950s, an American astronomer named Ronald Bracewell at Stanford, who did a lot of very extraordinary astronomy.
In fact, Bracewell is kind of the father of the CAT scan.
He produced a mathematical technique for taking images and with computer making three-dimensional data, slices.
And he started it with astronomy and basically observations of the sun, and eventually the medical profession took it over, and that's why a lot of people are alive tonight, because of Ronald Bracewell.
Well, many years ago, he was involved with Sagan and others in this whole concept of, you know, ETs calling us on the phone.
And Bracewell, being a pretty neat guy, said, look, it seems silly to wait at home and to try to probe star systems with radio beams because it takes decades or centuries to get a return, return signal, an answer.
He said it would be better to send automated probes, robots.
We'll do it in 100 years, 200 years.
Just wait a while.
This was back at the beginning of the space age, remember, before Sputnik.
And he conceived of the idea of multiple thousands of robots being trundled out on launch pads and sent out into the galaxy by somebody out there or some buddies, going into orbit around candidate stars that had likely Earth-type planets and just waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting.
And when the civilization developing, you know, from caves and fire and horse and buggies and steam engines and all that, eventually invented radio, a la Tesla and Marconi, this probe that had been hanging around in the star system in some kind of stable orbit, you know, would pick up the signals.
It would wake up and it would then send a message.
It would place a phone call.
In essence, a very loud and big and boisterous message to call attention to itself, and it would begin to move toward the planet.
That was Braceweld.
mainstream as you can get.
So I propose this, and none of these SETI guys say, hey, wait a minute, Hoagland is resurrected from the archives, one of our own.
Maybe we should look at this.
Instead, they all take a stick out and beat that poor signal to death because it's not fixed in frequency and it's not fixed on the sky.
It's moving, boys and girls.
It's not stuck at EQ Pegasi.
It's not 22 light years distance.
Whatever it is, it's close and it's moving and it's changing frequency.
Now, a few little technical facts.
Don't abort people here, but a few technical facts.
Everyone's saying, you know, in the mainstream, oh, it's just an inference from a satellite.
When they say that, they don't mean one of the probes NASA sent out, you know, pioneers or voyagers, because you were very right at the top of the show.
Assuming, of course, that the frequency is 1420, that's the rest frequency, and the 1450 plus is an indication of the signal rising in frequency because it's headed toward us like a bat out of hell.
Now, if it was firing engines, you know, good old thrusters, rockets, you know, Star Trek impulse engines, and not on work drive, then as it slows down, it would create a huge optical something, a cloud of something.
If it was hot hydrogen, let's assume this thing is really, really primitive, has nuclear engines, all right, and is slowing down by firing retro rockets, nuclear engines, like Bessard proposed.
Those would produce a cloud of hydrogen that would fluoresce, that would be brilliantly visible in a part of the spectrum you can't see from the ground, from ground-based telescopes.
But you could see them if you're in space.
They would produce a brilliant visible glow at about 1,200 angstroms.
I love to say angstrom, okay.
1,200 angstroms, which is the Lyman-alpha line of hydrogen.
Now, guess what?
The shuttle is up there this week carrying John Glenn, right?
It carries in the payload bay, sitting on the corner, on the side of the payload bay, a hitchhiker extreme ultraviolet experiment with a little telescope, which can see Lyman-alpha ultraviolet radiation.
You know, suppose that NASA's coordinating John Glenn's flight and all of this and is looking at this thing in the optical region.
Because remember, even if this is all real, if we're looking at a probe decelerating, sending at 1450 plus, all right, that doesn't mean it's the only frequency it's broadcasting on.
That may be just the beacon.
Suppose there's information coded in the beacon, which the big boys have already decoded, telling them where to switch for Isla Lucy or Star Trek or the program, in other words, the X-Files, interstellar X-Files.
In other words, if we're limited to the sparse data we currently have, and we're dealing with people like the folks in Australia who don't seem to understand a whopping wow signal when they see it, I mean, how much intelligence is going on here that's below the water level?
In other words, can people be that damn dumb, or are we all being cogned?
And these two people have found an object of large mass, approximately half times the size of Jupiter, and they believe it's orbiting around a star at Pegasi.
Well, I think initially someone got himself in a little bit deeper than what he wanted to by trying to explain something before he had all the answers.
And so he concocted some hoax to explain his story, and it just kind of tumbled on from there.
The reason we got excited is because we've got some real radio engineers.
There's a gentleman tonight in Los Angeles who has been in this field for probably 30, 40 years who is building a system with antenna and feed horns and all that so Enterprise can do its own confirmation.
All right?
I'm going to keep his name held back for the time being until he's got something and then we'll put him on the air and we'll let everybody see the data on the web.
He's forgotten more about radio than most of these young guys know at the moment.
He is very intrigued with the plot, the trend curve that I was on Friday night, which is if you assume this thing is not at the star, but is traveling, a probe coming toward us, and you assume that it's meant to attract attention at the rest frequency of hydrogen, which is 1420, then the 1453 we originally got reported has got to be a blue-shifted on-rushing tone, like a train coming towards you with a whistle on it.
If it's slowing down, that frequency has to drop by a certain predicted amount every single night, producing a curve.
These three observations are, this is what's so exciting in real science, these three data points from Guernsey, Japan, and Australia fit that curve beautifully.
And it comes to zero the first week in December, around December 7th on this plot, which is the date that our Pentagon guys have been telling us something's going to land north of Phoenix.
Now you put this together.
This is real data, good sourcing from intelligence sources.
You've got this hoax over here.
It looks like a smokescreen.
It looks like designed to get everybody to say, ah, they're crying wolf and go away and not pay attention until it's too late to mess up the plan.
Listen, but see, I have to ask you gentlemen to stretch, even you guys, because this is quite a stretch for even me.
He's an astronomer, but he uses the Bible as an astrological interpretation of the universe.
And he has a show on Manhattan Cable, and I just turned it on once by a freak.
And he went on that the book of Revelation is the end coming, the first horse of the apocalypse is the white horse, whose constellation equivalent in the sky is Pegasus.
Now, if I could add all this up a little farther, now, he believes that the Bible, the second coming, this individual will come from this galaxy.
Now, if the government received the signal, has decoded it, like you said, the doc side, who doesn't want to lose the power structure, says, hey, we already have this technology where we could send somebody up and come back down to beat the individual who's coming from Pegasus.
This way we can ensure our power structure.
And if you go on to read the Bible, now I was raised Catholic, but as a New Yorker, I just left it all behind.
It says that the Antichrist that comes serves the beast, and the beast has seven heads.
Now, if you look at G7, it's the seven richest Western powers.
They would be the ones who had an interest in starting this hoax to get everybody to look away while they send their men up to come down.
Now, you can go to his website, and he has more or less, you have the scientific side, and he has the spiritual side.
Well, the comments are that a lot of people are looking at these turbulent times, and they're seeing portents and signs, and we have sacred documents that make certain predictions.
I have been saying for some time, as we have decoded this Egyptian mythos in a place where it has no business being at all, in the most sacrosanct scientific agency we think we've got, NASA, that there are an elite group who are basically attempting to either follow or make come true what I've been calling the Armageddon script.
That's based on the ancient Egyptian, which was then updated in the Christian tradition in Revelations.
And I'm saying that these commercials running are telegraphed from people who are more in the know than we are and are telling others that are in the know, get ready.
Okay, according to the engineering I've looked at, it appears to be just a carrier wave.
In other words, just a signal.
There's no information on it.
Now, there's a body of literature about how you deal with a thing like this.
And for many years, in this literature, which is now 30 years old since Morrison and Coccone's first paper in Nature back in 1959, and then Frank Drake's Project OSMA at Green Bank with the radio telescope, an 85-foot dish, where in 1961, I believe, they listened to a few stars for signals.
And it would be around the interstellar sung of hydrogen.
The universe is mostly hydrogen.
Hydrogen, when left to its own devices in interstellar space, undergoes a transition called an electron flip, which generates a little pulse of energy at 21 centimeters wavelength or 1440 megahertz, 1,420 million cycles per second.
And you have clouds of hydrogen, and they're going up in frequency, and other clouds going down in frequency, and you have hydrogen being swirled around forming stars and all that.
Well, on this background sea of natural radio emission noise, the thought has been that any ETs out there, or someday ourselves, if we ever get up the gumption to transmit and not just listen, we would send or they would send a message, a beacon, a call on this common kind of universal frequency.
It's close, which is what gave me the idea, wait a minute, suppose it's a blue-shifted, Doppler-shifted, up frequency because the source is approaching us.
By using that premise on Friday night on the air, in real time, I calculated a rough amount by which that signal had to be moving toward us in a ship, in a probe, in a spacecraft of some kind, if the rest frequency would be 1420.
And that turned out to be about 2% the speed of light, or about 4,000 miles per second.
And I then said it has to slow down.
If it's going to get here, if it's going to stop and visit, it can't just sail through like Rama, which was the ship in one of Arthur Clark's novels, Rendezvous with Rama.
It has to slow down.
If it slows down, the frequency will have to fall, indicating the velocity is being bled off somehow, and that should be reflected in radio receivers tuning lower and lower to see the same signal.
And lo and behold, Arnt, that's exactly what we've been seeing.
All right, here's a fact from Matt, and I think this tracks with what you're saying.
You tell me.
Arnt, I've been following the EQ Pegasi signal coverage over the last week or so, and I have a couple of comments about the recent Australian verification.
One, the Australian site did pick up a signal very close in frequency and direction to the DORA signal.
The Aussie signal was a little off-direction, though, not exactly at EQ Pegasi.
This seems to indicate that the signal is coming from somewhere between here and EQ Pegasi.
It seems to me that someone very good in geometry ought to be able to use triangulation to pinpoint the exact location of the transmission's origin based on the exact antenna angles where they picked up the signals and the positions of the antennas.
Two, the Aussie signal had a slightly lower frequency, meaning to me that the transmitter is decelerating towards us.
They couldn't understand that if you're dealing with a beacon on a spacecraft and it's moving, it will move in the sky and it will change in frequency.
You know, Matt, whose credentials we don't know, can think better than the professionals at one of the world's biggest radio telescope facilities.
Come on, boys and girls, which one are you going to believe?
I think we're being conned by the pros because if it is real, imagine what we're in shock for, in store for.
Project Samson, the pillars being pulled down, the paradigm changes.
E.T. finally shows up.
I mean, can you imagine this is a movie unplaying itself in real time with all of the extraneous noise and hoopla and breastbeating and some people it's not invented here and so they're not going to sign on until it's overwhelming.
This is soap opera, real-life scientific soap opera.
Now, what we're going to do is put together our receiver and our antennas and we're going to start to listen probably in the next couple of days.
All right, what we're going to do is publish on the web in the next day or so, maybe tonight if my guys can get it ready, the graph showing the plot of decreasing frequency with time.
Because if you're listening at 1453, you're not going to hear it.
Now, what I find fascinating is that the SETILEAG folks and Seth Sostex people and even the folks in Australia, they're listening at EQPEG as if it can only be there.
They have a narrowed beam for their telescope, meaning it's like looking through a high-powered telescope where you only see a small part of the sky.
They don't see it because, A, they're physically not looking now in the right direction.
It's moved a bit.
And they don't hear it because they're listening at the wrong frequency, like trying to listen to you on KOB here in Albuquerque by listening to TLP in Washington.
Steve Bassett called and said, I should really read this thing before we went on the air.
He kind of agrees with that factor.
He says there's kind of like a wheel within a wheel here.
But part of the agenda was to get exposure for 415.
Let me tell you what 415 turns out to be.
It turns out to be a very complicated, very expensive, very elaborate, satellite-based, eavesdropping electronic system to tap a billion telephone calls a week in Great Britain alone and extend it to the United States.
In fact, the project is UK-USA.
Sponsored by the National Security Agency, Big Brother is not only watching and listening, but is capable of looking at a lot of traffic it cannot now because it doesn't have the computers or the signal processors or whatever.
And it was been totally not on the radar screen until Doar mentioned it in his web post.
If the agency, if we go back to the NSA, we have the constitutionalists and we have the road groups, and the road groups basically are demanding more and more power and more and more lack of secrecy.
I mean, what has this whole thing with Clinton been about?
It's been about you don't have a private life anymore.
The assault on you, Art, when you took time off to handle your personal problem.
You do not have a right to have a private life, okay?
So the way you put teeth into it is you eavesdrop everything and everybody.
And this project, 415, has a technical capability of pressed far enough to literally eavesdrop on every damn telephone call everybody ever makes from now on.
Suppose that the door business and the ET signal and all that became a convenient mechanism where the good guys in the agency wanted us to find out about 415 and how overwhelmingly threatening that is as part of this creeping constitutional destruction.
And they used the whole Pegasus scenario as an excuse to get the word out on 415.
And that's why that NSA logo is up there, is to keep the story going.
Yeah, I was checking, like you were mentioning, I was checking whether what he was saying in his article there with the press conference being canceled, whether some of his information was correct.
And in an article in the New Statesman of August 12th, 1988, as their cover story, somebody listening, as you've already mentioned, it says Project 415, a top secret new global surveillance system, can tap a billion calls in a year in the U.K. alone.
See, one of the problems with the interpretation, the satellite that Door, if we take him to be real, tapped into, was a Project 415 eavesdropping satellite.
I mean, by definition, if you're eavesdropping, you're not transmitting.
If you were going to be eavesdropping, I'm trying to suddenly, in my mind, put together a way to imagine a satellite making a transmission on the frequency that we're talking about that is related in some way to an eavesdropping program.
Well, I mean, the inference here is that we're looking at geosynchronous satellites and that they just happen to be in the beam of the telescope.
The problem with that is that if they're in geosynchronous orbit, there is no relative motion, basically, between the ground station, the antenna, and the satellite.
So there's no Doppler shift.
And you certainly wouldn't get a frequency change of one million hertz between one day and the next.
And you wouldn't get correlative data where you put together an amateur in Guernsey, an amateur in Japan, professional team in Australia, and it gives you a nice straight-line plot like we have.
But it is a nice excuse to get the public looking at 415.
And I think that those guys are piggybacking on this Story to get the word out that, I mean, listening is listening.
The other part of this, and we're symbolic now, is if you're flagging attention to a listening program to eavesdrop on Earth, on U.S. citizens, you turn it around, the code here is: yes, we're listening to the signal.
In other words, they didn't pick any old satellite, they picked this incredible eavesdropping system.
I really almost ought to bring Keith on to tell you what we went through with the FBI and how quickly, by the way, we went through it.
And I say again, the NSA, if anything, is spookier and meaner than the FBI.
I don't mean that in a derogatory manner for the FBI, but I mean, they're a pretty bad group.
So hold on, Richard.
We'll get back to you in a moment.
Now, the story of what happened when we just played a simple little fun April Fool's joke is perhaps relevant to what's going on right now and still going on on this GeoCity site.
You made the comment that possibly he had put a few phrases in there to tell us something, as he referred to being depressed and that it must be the weather and things of that sort.
I believe Project 415 is probably being fed to us to take us off the beaten track, you know, to get us off of where we're supposed to be looking.
And the reason why I say that, if you add the numbers together, 4, 1, and 5, you come up with 10.
If you add the numbers 12 and 7, the proposed arrival date, 1, 2, and 7 equals 10.
10 being positive, as in it being a true statement, must be the weather, I believe, is that it's a stormy or sad day for possibly himself because he can no longer pursue this, or for mankind as some type of warning.
I believe the pressure from the NSA has caused him to put out the statement just to draw us away from the facts.
Look, if you go to my website right now in the links section of my website, you will, the top item you will see, you've got to click on links, is the FBI letter that we received when we just, and actually we didn't fully even use the FBI seal.
We received the following letter.
On April 1st, 1997, an altered news release depicting the official seal of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, FBI, had been downloaded and altered to appear on the Art Bell website as an April Fool's joke.
Your name, Myron McLeod, appears as the administrative contact for the Art Bell website.
And they wrote it to him.
Please be aware that, regardless of intention or the appearance of a disclaimer, misuse of the FBI name and or seal without notification of the FBI is punishable by law.
Although the aforementioned joke can no longer be reached via the home page, it is accessible at blah, blah, blah, blah and should be removed immediately to avoid further contact from the FBI.
The U.S. Attorney's Office, San Diego, has also been apprised of this matter.
Sincerely, blah, blah.
That's the letter we got for our little April Fool's joke.
And still, at this hour, the NSA SEAL remains at the GeoCity site.
And the reference by the caller to stormy weather, I think, is very right on.
When this story developed, the whole thing regarding, oh, you know, signals from Pegasus and were they real or were they a hoax and possible confirmations and all that, my attention was actually focused a bit elsewhere.
Mike Berra, who was a former engineer with Boeing, friendly Ken Johnston, who came to this project a couple years ago, has been doing really phenomenal research, doing the kind of digging that I don't have time to do, because even though I love the science, I'm so strung out on the politics and the other parts of this, you know, more and more of my time gets taken up with things that I should not have to look at.
Mike has done an extraordinary job of extending this Egyptian ritual in NASA, looking at date after date and landing and arrival and close encounter and flyby after flyby, and has put together an astonishing database that overwhelmingly is convincing of this Egyptian Masonic ritual pattern inside NASA that extends from the earliest Mercury flights to the moon flights to the Gemini flights to the unmanned missions to the outer solar system.
Do you know, Ark, tonight we have spacecraft that are headed for Sirius that were deliberately deflected in their last flight past Neptune so they would fly toward the star Sirius, which compromised the science at Neptune because you can't have it both ways?
And on and on and on.
I mean, there is a huge volume of material, and Mike and I are threatening that we're going to do for the Egyptian ritual stuff what I've done for the hyperdimensional model.
Remember how many years I came on your show and we talked about hyperdimensional physics?
And finally, I, you know, sat down and applied pen to paper, in this case, you know, mouse to computer, and ultimately came up with something which has been pretty damn convincing in many, many quarters, right?
Okay, we are going to have to do the same thing for the Egyptian ritual NASA model.
Lay it out in quadruplicate with example after example after example.
We have done a kind of a partial version of that in this website posting on Enterprise we put up a couple nights ago, you know, what if a phone call comes from Pegasus?
Because what we really started looking at was not Pegasus.
Before that, Brooke, we were looking at SOHO and the sun and the rather mysterious and bizarre events around the disappearance of the SOHO spacecraft.
Because it's looking more and more like Soho was deliberately murdered and then brought back to life.
And this is evident from many particular convergent lines of data, not the least of which is there is a post on the official NASA SOHO website saying they killed Soho.
It's a cartoon.
And it's from South Park, one of your favorite shows, Art.
Well, now that I've been intrigued, I certainly will.
The point is that a friend of mine, you know, came to us in the Seattle conference and slipped me a piece of paper and said that she had found on the official Soho website in a hidden file this cartoon prepared by the webmaster.
And what Mike did was to go through this step by step and piece by piece and data point by data point.
And we put this together and then this Pegasus thing broke.
Well, the problem is, what was Soho looking at when it was mysteriously taken out?
The story itself from NASA doesn't hold water.
I mean, all the things that went wrong with that spacecraft, the wrong computer commands, the wrong files loaded, it turns out it was killed at a key particular point in terms of where it was looking, which is the torrid meteor stream behind the sun on June 24th when it mysteriously died.
It was brought back to life when the sun moves mythologically into another one of these ritual positions in the sky.
It's like clockwork.
You can set your watch by this stuff.
Now, I don't agree with it.
I don't believe it, meaning I don't subscribe to the ritual.
But you don't have to be a Roman Catholic or, you know, a Buddhist to know that people practice religious rituals.
This is an ancient Egyptian religious ritual art, and it involves death and resurrection.
Remember your comedant Phoenix?
You've got to have ashes before you can rise from the ashes.
The horse symbol in ancient Celtic mythology, stretching back through to Egypt, signifies death.
It's the carrying of the soul to transcendence.
The very troubling part about this is this persistent image of death on television in these commercials simultaneous with suddenly a call from the unknown, a cry across the stellar distances of something coming to pay a call just as we are entering the middle of the torrid meteor stream, which we're in now.
And on Friday, there appears to be a possibility, just want to phrase this carefully, that a chunk of something in that damn stream, a la Graham Hancock and his latest book, remember Graham and his intense preoccupation with the torrid meteor showers?
The two catch points where we could get hit by something that's very unpleasant are between now and the 15th of November, peaking somewhere around the 6th, which is Friday night, and then between June 24th and August, early August.
And early August, June and August 1999, of course, is the period in the sky of the orbit where SOHO was looking when it was taken out.
When he touched ground, Osiris, Orion, the father of Horus, yes, just clearing the eastern horizon at that latitude and longitude.
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That's beautiful, because you know what?
Did you see on, I was watching world news tonight, I think it was either 10th, I'm looking at my notes, October 31st or November 1st was a few days ago, John Glenn orbiting over the earth, and they showed him in the shuttle craft orbiting over the earth, and he was, guess where, above Egypt.
I was a little bit younger back during his first flight, so I didn't know all the things that we know now.
But Mike, rather, not Mark, Mike has figured out with Redshift.
But at 9.47 on the morning of February 20th, when Glenn was launched on his Atlas Mercury booster into his three-orbit period, his leap in the history, if you've been standing at Cape Canaveral, Comet Enki, which is the central body in the torrid meteor stream, the one that everyone is looking at, would have been precisely 33 degrees above the launch pad horizon.
Comet Enki, when he launched the other afternoon, was exactly on the eastern horizon, just clearing the horizon when that shuttle left the ground.
East of the Rockies, you're on there with Richard C. Hobland and Art Bellheim.
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Hello, are you there?
We are here.
Hi, my name is Jim, and I'm calling from Indianapolis, Indiana.
Yes, sir?
I'm from Houston, Texas, though, and I work for a major airline.
I used to work for one based in Houston, and when they went bankrupt, I found my way up here.
Let's see, I've got so much to tell you.
The carrier that I work for now, we have the most service out of Indianapolis.
In the last decade or so, we have two Air Force bases up here, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton and Grissom Air Force Base here in northern Indiana.
We would get all this, we did some charter work for the United States Air Force and the military out of Washington, D.C. and Houston, Texas, NASA, places like this.
So being in customer service, I got to be familiar with a lot of the faces that would come and go.
Well, since they closed Grissom Air Force Base down, we've seen less and less of that traffic over the years.
But I can tell you that within the last week, Grissom Air Force Base has come alive once again.
And a lot of the old faces that I used to see in the past, I've reacquainted myself with just, you know, because I'm still in customer service.
So some of the old faces, I kind of, you're going to really, this is going to give you a twinkle eye.
I said, what's up, guys?
And they said, oh, twinkle, twinkle, little star.
And I asked the one guy, I said, does this have anything to do with the signal from outer space from the Texas system?
They looked at each other and looked at me and smiled.
And they said, the high desert spruce again.
All right.
So I said, what's up, guys?
And they said, oh, the same old, same old.
And I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You know, hey, it might have been born at night, but not last night.
This is much, too much traffic in and out of here.
And they said, well, we got some big problems to deal with and not too much time to do it in.
And I said, is it the Klingons or the Romulans?
And they looked at each other and they said, well, we're hoping it's the Federation and they're coming quick.
Now, Richard, I've heard you say this a thousand times over the broadcast.
You've said that there's been turmoil and turmoil within NASA for the longest time.
Power structures, you know, and power fights and everything.
Well, coming from Houston, my best friend is a 25-year employee.
Both he and his wife are 25-year employees of NASA, and they were from Austin, Texas.
They both worked for Motorola, and subsequently ended up down in NASA working as civilian employees, having something to do with the computer end of it.
So they're my best friends.
I talk to them, you know, on the watch line, you might say, free all the time.
And we keep up.
And over the years, we've always had some wonderful, wonderful conversations about some things that would just raise your hair that you don't normally get to talk to people about, you know, when you're standing in line at Safeway.
Okay, I asked him the last time, I said, what's going up?
And he says, everybody's head's fixing a roll down here.
And I said, why?
And he says, well, he said, turmoil, this president that we've got in the White House now is not going to go down in history as being the most scandalous president in the 20th century.
He's going to go down in history as being the president that blew the whistle, that told the world the truth.
My only comment on the whole election, Richard, was I thought Monica Lewinsky won.
And that's really not very far off course either.
I mean, really, the big deal made over Lewinsky, I think, accounts for the Democrats' victory, or so-called victory, and they did have a bit of a victory in an off-year election.
It's almost unprecedented.
And the only factor that really is at work, other than the good economy and so forth and so on, is the big deal made over Monica Lewinsky.
And now, all of a sudden, I noticed that the impeachment hearings are going to be quick and over by Thanksgiving, I'm told.
And listen, if you want to see one of the most beautiful images of Pegasus, the mythological Pegasus, boy, somebody sent me a graphic that is just absolutely outstanding.
Go to my website, click on the links page, and it'll be the first one there.
It's absolutely outstanding.
You might even want to save it as wallpaper or something for your computer.
Because they're looking and they don't want anyone to know they're looking.
Look, we have to follow two roads here.
Either we're looking at PhDs who spend a great deal of time and money getting doctorates and getting tenure and doing very cutting-edge things the rest of us would like to do and get paid for, and they turn out to be the dumbest turkeys on the planet.
And while they're telling us one thing, they're actually looking and doing what the science demands they do, which is when you see a wow signal, you go, wow, and you go chase it.
I mean, go back to what I said several hours ago.
If you look at what I posted last night in the wee hours in the morning, they spent all of 10 seconds, Art, downloading that signal.
10 seconds.
And then they did nothing more.
They didn't go check the NORAD index.
They didn't go check what satellites were available.
You know, at some point, us C people with the C in the middle of our name, really have got to say, look, folks, which is more unbelievable?
That the world is surrounded by stupidity and dumbness and idiocy, or we're being conned.
Because I look at the world and I see a world that kind of most of the time works, where most people are not dying because people are doing dumb, stupid things, like flying airplanes on marijuana and stuff like that.
In other words, if you were to believe the skeptics, and I'm using that as a religious term, every possible thing that happens that we don't like is just happened.
Darn, just dumb block.
Whereas if you follow the logic of human relations and sociology, things happen, as Franklin Delano Roosevelt said, in politics, there are no accidents.
Things happen because someone plans for them to happen.
And we have had a drum beat for the last, I don't know, 10, 15, 20 years in the so-called ETUFO area, where every time something bizarre happens, oh, just coincidence.
Oh, just a lone gunman.
Ah, just a mad bomber.
Oh, you know, nobody plans anything.
Now, the rest of the world is planned.
You got up this morning and you had a plan for the day.
Normally you have either a view from the shuttle inside cameras or you have outside views, or you will most of the time be sitting when the spacecraft, when the shuttle is between T-Dris downlinks, they have kind of a static shot of the control center at Houston, the mission control center.
So now what's interesting about this, that's supposed to pass in a quasi-polar orbit around early next month from, and it will be visible in the United States on a path from the northeast to the southwest, and it will go over the Pacific somewhere south of LA early next month.
So now what it occurred to me is that if we would want, if indeed there is something there approaching Earth, if indeed it is, let's assume for a moment that there is, and if it's coming at, as you say, about 2% C, what if it's coming on a light sail, which right now to decelerate will be turned around Earth, around the Sun, that is.
So if it's coming on a light sail, it will be very, very much visible because it will reflect the sunlight.
The problem is that it's moving too fast, this close to the sun, to be stopped by the faint pressure of solar radiation.
That's an excellent idea, but the numbers don't work out, even ballparking it off the top of my head.
This is an idea by Robert Forward at the Hughes Research Laboratories of the Hughes Tool Company, who has been involved with very high-tech projects for many years.
He has modeled some pretty neat ways of going to the stars using lasers and sunlight and reflectors and solar sails and all that.
But they require, you know, thousands of astronomical units to get up to speed.
And this thing is too close to slow down with that technology.
Oh, and by the way, let me mention that the shafts in the pyramid, the Great Pyramid, are at angles 45, 32 degrees, 28 minutes, 39.5 degrees, 39 degrees, 26 degrees, 26.3.
Now let's look for those numbers.
EPS Cygnus is at 39.2 altitude.
The star on the bottom of Cygnus, Albareo, 19 hours, 30 minutes, right ascension.
Vega, 39 degrees, 20 minutes declination.
The galactic center is at altitude 26.4 degrees and declination 26 degrees 30 minutes.
Leo, the star that joins the neck to the shoulder, is at 19.5 degrees declination.
Regulus is on the equator.
Betelgeuse, I guess that's the way you pronounce it.
45 degrees altitude.
El Tannin, 32 degrees azimuth.
EPS Draco, 45 degrees altitude.
And 19 hours, 48 minutes right ascension.
So the numbers all seem to add up to numbers that we see in the pyramid.
Now, the reason I mention this is I got started looking at the pyramid based on the work of Robert Baval and Graham Hancock, stating that 10,500 years BC.
And I find that if we go to 1221, 10,500 BC, we find Betelgeuse at 39.5, Mars at 26 degrees, EQ Pegasi at 19.5.
The 39 degrees is the galactic equator.
The galactic center is at 19.5 degrees declination.
Since we were talking about Egyptian mythology, I thought this would go well because it's Florina McKennett, of course, but it's got a certain Egyptian sound to it, doesn't it?
Richard C. Hoagland is my guest, and we'll be right back.
All right, back now to Richard C. Hoagland.
And as I was saying, this all kind of goes over my head.
I guess that, and I sometimes wonder as I listen to it for both the caller and Richard, whether we're putting things together and coming to a conclusion or whether it is proper to look at these things and come to the conclusion if you follow what I'm saying here.
Yeah, the last caller, obviously, he's looking at relationships and is seeing a pattern.
What we've been doing is a little different, all right?
Because what you need to do to constrain that logic, to know when you really found a signal as opposed to just projection, is to have an endpoint.
The difference between what the previous caller was doing and what we have been doing is that we're looking at actual mission profiles.
When you leave the planet Earth, when you send a spacecraft into space, the planets are moving, the Earth is rotating, everything is in motion.
To get to a certain place at a certain time, at a certain latitude and longitude, you have to have a very precise system of celestial mechanics, navigation, rocket power, et cetera, et cetera.
Everything is timed down to the split second.
If you find when you arrive, and we have found in looking at these computer plots over and over again, that these ancient sacred Egyptian ritual constellations are in key geometric positions over and over and over and over again ad nauseum, it can't, as Marvin Czarnik says, who was an expert in celestial mechanics at McDonnell Douglas and wrote a paper for this for me, it can't be an accident, can't be an add-on, can't be an afterthought.
It has to be the top priority.
Now, the problem is that it's not supposed to be.
You know, cruise safety or science or getting to a certain position for observations or whatever.
But this data is telling us it has to be by the cruel, cold equations, as Ted Sturgeon once said, of celestial mechanics, it has to be the number one priority, and therein lies the paradox art.
It can't be, but it is, which means there's a hidden agenda.
And when people like Czarnik are shown our data, they go, holy explosive deleted, because they realize they've been had.
That what they thought they were doing, what they thought they were working for, the objectives, the goals, the mission profiles, all the plans, are poppycock compared to the absolute bottom equations of getting there at those times for those geometries of those celestial portents.
And we're going to put the same thing on our website.
And under it, with a link, is going to be a description of Pegasus, which I drew from a very important mythological archive volume that's about 1,200 pages.
This woman, this anthropologist, has done an incredible job.
Her name is Barbara, I think Barbara Walker.
I want to read you a couple of things from this, because there is such an incredible resonant strain of symbology and mythology, and your resonating with Lauren McKennett art is not accidental.
That music is the ancient harbinger of Egypt, And I can prove it.
Listen to this.
Pegasus, winged horse of Greek myth, symbol of the sacred king's or hero's journey to heaven, an image of death and apiosis, like the mythic death horses of northern Europe.
Pegasus had archaic matriarchal origins.
He sprang from the wise blood of the moon goddess Medusa, who embodied the principle of medha, the Indo-European root for all female wisdom.
Remember, Isis female is Sirius.
Or alternatively, he was a magic horse, Arion, moon creature on high, born of the goddess Demeter and ridden by Heracles in his role of sacred king in Elis.
There was an earlier female Pegasus named Agenipe, the mare who destroys mercifully, actually a title of Demeter herself as the destroying lunar nightmare.
Pegasus was named for Pegai, water priestesses who tended the sacred spring of Pyrion in Corinth.
The cult seems to have been rooted in Egypt, the oldest shrine of Osiris at Abydos, circa 2000 BC, centered on a sacred spring called Pega.
The Greek Pegai preserved an ancient dying god cult as shown by the myth of Bellerathon, who mounted Pegasus and tried to ride to heaven as though he were an immortal.
He failed and fell.
Bellerathon's predecessor, mythologized as his father, also failed and was devoured by wild man-eating mares.
This was not meant to suggest that human flesh ever became incorporated into equine diet, E.Q. pegasi.
It meant rather that pre-Hellenic sacred kings were torn in pieces at the close of their reigns by women disguised as mares.
No, Sirius is in Canis Major, but it is linked mythologically.
The whole panoply of constellations, I mean, my background is astronomy, and I've been teaching, you know, in planetaria and in other places for decades.
Okay, and what they teach us is that the constellations are supposed to look like some kind of figure.
That's not true.
The constellations turn out to be devices to tell a story.
And the story is this vast tapestry, this panorama of mythology which has the human consciousness somehow and history embedded within it that tells a story over and over again in these various characters that are depicted by the stars in the night sky.
And the concept of a winged horse, imagine this, isn't it incredibly coincidental that there should be a spacecraft, if that's what it turns out to be, coming out of Pegasus, a flying horse whose destiny is to take sacred kings to heaven, and this could be a spaceship destined to take X someone to heaven if and when it arrives.
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It's just too perfect if it's real.
Okay.
Have you ever heard of a book called The Keys of Enoch?
I must say I love your show, and I was listening to your show the day before yesterday, and was very interested by the events about EQ Pegasi.
And although I've been listening now for the last couple of hours, I haven't really gotten much information on the latest developments in the situation.
Well, the official GeoCity site that was kind of the link to Britain, to Paul Dorr the engineer, has been taken down.
It's been replaced with an NSA National Security Agency logo, which has been up there since dawn yesterday.
There is one pretty amazing piece of solid data, which is a set of observations on November 2nd by an Australian team at the Australia Telescope Compact Array, which has a stunning confirmation of a signal just about in the right place on the frequency spectrum to be matched with two other confirmations from Japan and Guernsey, England earlier.
And we're now waiting for another confirmation.
The Enterprise people are putting together their own radio astronomical facilities.
You know, we've got DISH and we've got LNA and we've got, you know, feed horns and all that assembled.
And there is someone tonight putting this stuff together.
In the next couple of days, we're hoping to go online ourselves.
Because if this thing is an interstellar probe, if it's somebody coming to visit, then as it gets closer and it slows down, it will get louder and louder and the frequency will fall.
And we should be able to get confirmation from almost anybody in the next week or two.
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That's fantastic.
One other question I had was that if this was an interstellar probe, as you said the other day, the signal is slowing down as the vehicle is approaching the...
That is basically just a tone to signify the presence of something.
But in fact, the information may be transmitted on another set of frequencies, and because everyone's been focused on this narrow part of the spectrum, maybe other people have knowledge about where to look, but the amateur community doesn't because they're taking all their cues from Paul Dorr and his so-called detection.
And while all that's going on, it should be noted that SETI, the SETI league, has said basically this is all a hoax, and it has set back SETI 100 years.
Remember, on midnight on Thursday, day after, well, 24 hours from now, and then change, the Clinton executive orders, which would remove all impediments to sweeping declaration of martial law, goes into effect.
And if there is any trigger, any event, any untoward, you know, we just basically issued indictments for bin Laden, right?
So if something were to happen after midnight tomorrow night, the president could sign with one stroke of the pen the executive orders putting in place the most draconian, and I mean, go to the website.
They are draconian measures.
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Very fascinating.
And that about figures with Cointendent in there.
Another, well, let's see here.
Two questions for you here.
My name is Don.
I'm calling from Chandler, Arizona.
Listening on 770 KKOB, just out of New Mexico.
Being in Chandler, kind of curious, was there any more information on where the alleged landing site or what have you is north of Phoenix?
I'm almost afraid to tell you this, Richard, but I have several email communications about preparations going on in the area that you're talking about.
Aquarius, signifying the transition between ages and the Odyssey.
Now, was it the Odyssey harking back to the Grecian mythos, or was it the Odyssey harking back to Arthur C. Clarke and aliens tinkering with human evolution and paying us a visit?
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Oh, yeah.
But like it's we're entering a cycle that occurs not Only 2,160 years, but it's a period that occurs only 13,000 years.
Going back to the 10,000, going back to, was it 10,500 BC?
Gray and Hyancock saying that possibly that's the time when the pyramids and the Sphinx were built because the Sphinx alliance with Leo Pyramid's Orion.
Richard, on that note, we are woefully out of time.
What I want to do, though, is obviously there's a tremendous amount of interest around this, whether it's a hoax, whether it's a cover for something else, whatever it is, it's something, as I keep saying, and I'm holding on to this like a pit bull, this story, until I figure it out.
In the meantime, why don't you give out your fax number for anybody who would now like to feed you information?
Well, the fact that all these professional antennas are suddenly going down and need maintenance all of a sudden, I find pretty interesting, don't you?
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