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Nov. 2, 1998 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Richard C. Hoagland - EQ Pegasi Signal
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The High Desert and the Great American Southwest.
I bid you all good evening or good morning, as the case may be, and welcome to yet another edition of the wildest all-night thing in America, Coast to Coast AF.
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Virgin Islands south into South America and north all the way to the Pole.
And yes, worldwide on the Internet, I'm Art Bell.
And it's going to be another wild night, let me tell you.
Coming up in a moment, we're going to do the follow-up to the Pegasus story.
That's right, there is significant evidence, significant reports would be a better way to put it, from people who claim evidence that there is a signal coming from the Pegasus system.
I don't know.
Pegasi, I believe it is.
And I told you last week when I aired this first aired it that it could either be an extremely elaborate hoax, or it
could be real.
Who knows? I don't know.
I didn't know then and I don't know now, but what I do know is there's something going on, that's for sure.
Now there's other programs out there this night.
Trashing myself and trashing Richard Hoagland.
Carrying people from the Steady League and that sort of thing trashing us, which is okay.
I would rather have other shows reacting to what we do than have us reacting to what other shows are doing.
So as usual, we will lead with the information here first and let you be the judge of what's real.
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Glad to have you along as the show simply continues to build and build and build and build.
Now, in a moment, we will bring back Richard Hoagland, who has new information for us on this This alleged signal from the Pegasus system.
It is really interesting the way the world reacts to what we do here.
So that's coming up shortly.
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This hour, we are going to continue to report on what we know about what began to break last week.
We began to get word of a signal coming from EQ Pegasi, or from the Pegasus system, or what appeared to be the Pegasus system, at least in that general direction.
And with an update from New Mexico, here is Richard C. Hoagland.
No introduction beyond that should be needed for you.
Hi, Richard.
Good morning, Art.
Oh, good morning.
You and I have been communicating and getting... I tell you, I have every manner of email you could possibly imagine.
For example, the latest is... Let's see, Art, the signal coming from the direction of EQ Pegasi, it says, is not a spaceship or a signal from another planet.
As a matter of fact, It's coming from your own tracking system.
The military discovered an inbound asteroid, and they're tracking it with Earth-bound radar.
What everyone is receiving is a bounce from that asteroid.
Now, that's nothing more than... And then it goes on, it says, this would explain the military briefing coming on December 7th.
So I don't know what they're talking about.
There's a million rumors out there.
Now, we broke the story here As I said at the beginning of the show, everybody else is kind of either blasting us or following up or trying to catch up, but we've got the latest.
What do we know?
Well, what we know is that on Wednesday morning in London, there is going to be an official press conference, which is going to be held at the, let me click on the proper thing here on the web, all right, which will be held at a rather prestigious location in London.
It's going to be held at the Scientific Society's Lecture Theatre on Seville Row in London.
It is being sponsored by the International Astronomical Union and the British Astronomical Association, and this has been reported by Nathan Keyes, who is a reporter for the British paper The Sun, published in London, who got a press release from the scientists who are presenting the press conference, including Paul Doerr and a group of interesting and mysterious and still anonymous radio astronomers who apparently We're going to appear on the podium with him and back up his claims.
All right, Paul Doerr.
Now, let's back up a little bit.
Originally, Paul Doerr was an unidentified anonymous source reporting a signal coming from EQ Pegasi.
That's right.
On the 22nd and 23rd, about a week and a half ago, an unknown anonymous source claiming to be an engineer with a family and kids working for a major British aerospace firm He broke into, hacked the Amateur Steady League website, based out of New Jersey, and sent them some files, some screen dumps, images of his radio equipment showing an interesting radio anomaly coming from the direction of E.Q.
Pegasi.
He said that he was doing it so they would verify it before he had to go public and thereby admit to his company that he'd been kind of using their equipment on off hours for a project not authorized.
Right.
They got very affronted, apparently, and are in high duty in other programs tonight, trashing Mr. Doerr and you and me and a whole bunch of other people.
Not very scientific.
However, in the interim, other observers, an amateur astronomer in England, on the island of Guernsey, on the Friday night, verified and faxed you apparently a confirmation of a signal, a narrow-band, artificial-looking signal coming from the direction of E.Q.
Pegg.
That's right.
You and I had our discussion on the air on Friday, and I made some pretty, rather interesting,
I thought, predictions regarding the nature of this thing.
And I said that because of the strength and this being picked up on essentially souped-up
backyard satellite dishes, and we're talking, you know, 10 meters or 4.5 meters, not huge
professional antennas like NASA uses with the deep space network, that this signal had
to be pretty close, that it probably was not coming from E2 Pegasi, which is 22 light years
away, but may in fact be coming from a probe, maybe a Bracewell probe, to use the astronomer
Stanford's designation many years ago, heading toward us at a pretty fast clip, about 4,000
miles per second, I calculated.
About a third the speed of light, roughly.
No, no, no, no.
About 2%.
2% the speed of light.
Yeah, 2%.
In other words, 186,000 miles per second the speed of light, 4,000 miles a second, you
know, would cross the continent of North America and change in about one second.
Right.
So it's fast by contemporary technology, but very slow by ultra-sophisticated, you know, E.T.
UFO kind of technology.
So that, of course, is intriguing, and I base this on the fact that the signal detected by DOOR a week or so ago was at around 1453 MHz.
Correct.
The Song of Hydrogen, the interstellar standard frequency of hydrogen, which all astronomers have kind of agreed is the place Where if E.T.
is going to phone us, they will phone us on that frequency.
It's 1420.
You subtract 1420 from 1453 and you get how much?
33 megahertz.
Correct.
Difference.
A number in itself kind of intriguing.
So I made a projection that if this was a probe, and it's coming here, and our intelligence sources in the Pentagon who have been dunning me for the last two or three months with something big is going to You do something in the southwest on December 7th, you do a very simple calculation, which I did on the air, and you arrive at the fact that the thing has to start slowing down.
And if it slows down, then the frequency should drop like a train whistle as it goes toward you and they begin to put on the brakes.
Right.
It's called Doppler shift.
Well, that's how we left it for our audience on Friday night.
On Sunday, on the 1st of November, there is posted on the web from a Japanese amateur astronomer A very high precision radio spectrum analysis of the same signal.
And guess what?
In two days, it has fallen by about one and a half megahertz, which translates to a rough curve that will bring it to zero the first week at Earth in December.
but you know i think you know if you talk to me if it's not prediction you
know richard uh... i can't help but as you say all this
uh... recall uh... independence day and the fellow who was saying uh... when it gets to zero
you can't remember that you're going to talk about uh... i don't know i have not
looking at independence day however there are some rather remarkable implications
let's save those for a little later
Back to the press conference.
Yes, yes.
And back to this Mr. Doar and what we might know about him.
After all, he began this.
Initially, he was an anonymous figure, and Seth Shostak, of course, castigated him for being anonymous and all that.
I mean, these people who have these nice, cushy, secure jobs in academia with tenure don't kind of understand what it's like in the real world, where if you violate the boundaries, you're out.
So it's obvious that if an engineer is bootlegging SETI time because he loves astronomy and loves the idea of maybe finding a signal and maybe going down in history, and then he comes up with something remarkable, maybe he's not going to do what to Seth would be the logical thing, which is to stand on a rooftop and say, here I am, come fire me.
So he wanted confirmation.
He wanted air cover.
Well, the British press were not, as I said on Friday, totally monopolized by Monica.
I went digging, and they found out who this engineer was.
His name is Paul Doerr.
As a matter of fact, folks, there were early BBC reports on all this.
That's correct.
His name is Paul Doerr.
He's been with British aerospace firms Marconi and Siemens, etc., for the last 20 years or so.
He holds a very good position now, also with Lockheed Martin, with a major consulting contract.
He is not a flake.
He's a radar expert.
He's an electronics expert, a signals processing expert.
And he basically put this little kind of bootlegged radio feed on this big 30 foot dish that no one was using at Siemens and was for the last year or so conducting his own quiet little study experiment.
And he was listening to Pegasus because in September, on September 17th, Seth reported that they had a brief blip at Arecibo during their Project Phoenix time a couple of months ago, or about a month ago.
And that that's what piqued his interest, Doors' interest, in listening to Pegasus.
Which, in fact, is not a star.
But you may recall that Seth said that he thought that that signal, in fact, removed the dish and it didn't go away or something or another.
Or maybe it did, as I recall.
At any rate, he... The first time it did go away and the second time it didn't.
That was it.
And he submitted to us all that he thought it was, in fact, interference from a satellite.
Well, you know, the question that I would like to ask Seth is, if EQ Pegasus is not the kind of place, as Elton John would say, to raise your kids, meaning it's two little M-type red dwarf stars, one ten-thousandth of the luminosity of the sun... Yeah, but that's for us.
I mean, why do we assume that all forms of life that are out there somewhere... That's what they're assuming, alright?
They're looking for Earth.
Well... Another question Seth should be asking, you didn't ask him because, you know, you can't think of everything, but the question I'd like you to ask him someday is, If it's not the place where anybody would hang out, why were you listening to it in the first place?
Why was it on his list?
Because time on a receipt is very valuable.
Yes, it is.
Why was he listening to EQ at all?
I have no idea.
Well, think about it.
Maybe it was part of a general scan and that's where it's... No, no, no.
I don't know.
The time is valuable.
You've got a limited search pattern.
You only look at stars where you think somebody might be home.
I'm hearing... By the way, Richard, right now I'm hearing a very odd sound on the phone.
It's like somebody's...
Some tone on the phone.
Do you hear that?
Yeah, I hear that too.
It's been going on ever since we started this whole SETI conversation.
Good morning out there, guys!
Yeah, I wish they'd get the recorders in line.
Anyway, so where we are now is that we've got a primary discoverer.
We've got two separate confirmations from literally from opposite sides of the planet.
The second confirmation shows that in two days the frequency has decreased by about one to one and a half megahertz.
Well, I'm not sure what we're doing now.
It may be, you may recall that, was it Ethelberg?
Is that correct in Germany?
Okay, the big telescope, the 300-foot radio telescope in Germany near Bonn was reported as one of his collaborators, astronomers there.
Yes.
If you go to Ethelberg, which the guy who's posting on the Cape Canaveral GeoCities website, giving us all these updates, as he did, he says that when asked about the conference, the person I spoke to at Ethelberg's observatory was quite abrupt with me and said that they would not be sending anyone to London on Wednesday.
But when pressed, he admitted that some of the astronomers who have recently used time on the large 100 meter telescope are in fact abroad.
Abroad?
And this guy said, I thought the answer was very evasive and most telling.
I suppose we'll have to see how it all plays out on Wednesday.
Now, isn't this something?
So, we do know that the Wednesday news conference is definitely on, is that correct?
And by the way, Enterprise will have a very important representative at the press conference.
And according to the GeoCities website, there is going to be a live, real audio feed So what we're going to do is to arrange to have that over on Enterprise at EnterpriseMission.com so that anybody with a computer can actually tune in and listen to the press conference from here in the States.
Then, okay, I want to line up our ducks here.
Also, there were reports about Harvard.
I got them, you got them.
And there have been some sort of follow-up reports about Harvard.
Yeah, let me read you those, because that is really cute.
Yeah, please.
This is quite remarkable.
This is from, I believe his name is Jonathan Wolf, who is a scientist at Harvard who is attached to the Beta, Project Beta, which is their SETI project sponsored by the Planetary Society.
He says, when asked why the website was taken down, he says, quote, the webpage you ask about is run by the Planetary Society.
It is not based at Harvard.
Well, the telescope is.
The reason it was changed was to cope with the thousands of hits it was taking per hour.
We at Beta looked at EQ Pegasi and found signals consistent with noise during the time the website was changed.
Now, now... There's one more thing.
He says, there were a few anomalies noticed, but nothing leading us to believe that ET has been found.
But how does that mean, a few anomalies noticed?
And why didn't they post them?
And why would a lot of hits cause them to shut down?
Exactly.
I mean, isn't that the whole point?
To disseminate information?
Is that what it's for?
Yeah, if you have four per hour, you're okay, but 400 is too much?
No, there is what we would term in the legal profession an interesting set of inconsistencies in Dr. Wilson's statement.
I don't get that one at all.
Not at all.
No, it is your fill-in cover and all that.
There's something interesting going on.
Now, the thing I really found striking this morning is when I got up Turned on CNN, Secretary of Defense William Cullen was supposed to be traveling to the Far East in the next day or so.
Yes.
Instead, he was returned to Washington, ostensibly because of the current crisis with Saddam Hussein, which is kind of getting boring.
You know, I suppose that could be a cover story for something much more intriguing, given our rumor out of the Pentagon that something is going to, shall we say, take place in the American Southwest the first week in December?
December 7th?
And the plots of this signal are right in line with that now?
Well, I think you're leaping a little bit when you say that something's going to happen in the Southwest.
No, I'm saying that's what our sources are saying.
Well... You've got to just report what your sources are telling you.
I mean, for months I didn't want to believe it, and then suddenly we have this wonderful EQ egg problem, and the signal plots Well, one thing's for sure.
Thank you, Richard, and we'll be right back.
There's something going on.
There are too many reports out there now for nothing to be going on.
This is something.
The question is what and why the officialdom is reacting the way they are.
The officialdom is a state-run organization that is responsible for the administration of the United States of
America's Constitution.
It is a state-run organization that is responsible for the administration of the United States Constitution.
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I knew that the sun would rise in the morning.
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Outro Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye on the Wild Card Line at area code 702-727-1295.
That's area code 702-727-1295.
This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
It is, and Richard Hoagland is here.
We're giving you an update right now on what we think is going on.
The reports we do have, those you'll hear here and apparently nowhere else.
Because everybody else seems nothing but upset.
Can you imagine?
There.
How does that sound?
All right, it sounds fine.
All right, now.
Something is going on out there, and I'll be damned if we're not going to report on it.
So, once again, here is Richard C. Hovland.
Richard, The reaction in the SETI League, the reaction in officialdom, as I said, leaving this last half hour, seems rather reactive.
I don't know what the right word is.
I mean, they're being very reactive.
Well, there's a very English term.
It's called churlish.
Or NIH.
Not invented here.
I mean, these people, instead of doing the scientific thing, Turning their membership loose on this signal, so that we have scores and scores and scores of amateurs with various equipment, various engineering specs, you know, various locations, looking and looking, and then pooling their data with the web.
We're getting a few here and there of people who aren't affiliated, who just basically either hear you or see this site on the web, or see a post to, you know, one of the radio astronomy magazines, and decide to just do it because it's the right thing to do.
And the organizations that are set up to listen, to be scientific, are reacting in ways that, frankly, are not very scientific.
Scientific, right.
The scientific way, of course, is to listen and see if anything is there, and then screech that it ain't there.
Now, I have one other caution.
That is, you know the person who sent me this email about the inbound Asteroid.
Could that be correct?
Richard, could we be irradiating some incoming something or another and getting a reflection from that?
Well, the problem is that said asteroid would have to be decelerating like a bat out of you know where.
In order to get one thing or another to drop.
That's true, isn't it?
Yes.
In other words, asteroids don't normally put on the brakes.
No, they don't.
No.
Artificial spacecraft do.
There isn't a natural explanation.
Let me read you a quote from my friend Jim Warwick.
Let me give you a little setup here.
Who is Jim Warwick?
Jim Warwick is my old and dear friend, one of the few people of integrity that I know in NASA, who has since recently retired.
He was the principal investigator of the Planetary Radio Astronomy Experiment On Voyager.
Voyager 1 and 2.
Oh, okay.
So he's a heavyweight.
A heavyweight.
He was at the University of Colorado.
Ran a company called Radio Physics.
We met during the Voyager encounters and had an extraordinary set of experiences regarding an anomaly he detected with the Voyager missions in Saturn's rings.
And I wrote some pieces for Science Digest and Analog and ultimately wound up in Monuments.
And we've known each other for many, many years.
And when I have a really sticky problem, It requires a political insight into the background machinations of NASA, as well as science.
I turn to Jim.
How come only guys who are retired can really speak?
You know, I was thinking that just tonight.
He's actually working on his memoirs in California.
Anyway, I got him to look at our site.
And by the way, for anybody who wants to see this data, you go to either ArtBell.com or EnterpriseMission.com and there are links.
To the site that's kind of the clearinghouse, the GeoCities Cape Canaveral, for this data coming in from England, and from other parts of the world.
You can see the screen dumps, and you can see the plots, and the press conferences.
Yeah, it's all on the website, absolutely.
Richard, is there any chance all this could still be a hoax?
Not a hoax, but it could be a very logical misinterpretation of an errant satellite in a very weird orbit.
But it would have to be so precise, it would have to conform to so many coincidences to mimic what we're seeing, that I am tending more and more to believe that it's part of a major revelation, and I use that term with a capital R. In fact, Mike Barra and I have written a major piece, which is on our website tonight, I had Keith post it just before air time, called The Implications of a Call from Pegasus.
Because this piece of data is now fitting with other pieces of data, including This pesky intelligence guy that keeps bugging me for months and months now, which I didn't want to believe, about something big going to go down in the first week in December in the Southwest.
And I thought it was time we put all of this together, connect some more dots.
So for those of you who love puzzles, and love the way we try to figure them out, there's a major piece on the web tonight called The Implications of a Call from Pegasus.
And as the week progresses and we see what happens at the press conference, maybe we can get into some of the details of the piece later on.
So they're going to have this press conference the day after our national elections.
Interesting time.
It itself is pretty damn curious.
It is, isn't it?
If you had discovered something like Doar has, and you've got now three data points from amateurs, plus you've got professionals quietly looking with much better equipment, you would think that they would want to get out in front so they wouldn't be scooped.
But instead, they're waiting nicely until after the election, and I keep thinking of Mr. Doar's credentials, With his major contract from Lockheed Martin, which owns about 75% of the American space program.
Did you know that?
No, I did not.
One company basically runs the American space program, and this guy happens to work for them.
And I'm thinking, frankly, with a C-word, okay?
Remember on Friday night you asked me, well, whose do you think it is, if it's real?
Is it ours, or theirs?
That's right.
The implications piece lays out the fact that it could be ours.
Only not ours.
Well, now, when I asked you last week, you said theirs.
And I asked you for that specific reason.
Now you're saying it might be ours with a C. Well, when I say ours, I don't mean the official government.
I don't mean the government.
I understand.
I'm talking about the secret little guys that run around with hyperdimensional spaceships that are photographed by the shuttle.
And it can do anything like this.
In other words, if you were to create a scenario arc for how the mainstream would be introduced to the idea that we're not alone.
This fits the profile perfectly.
Amateur comes up with signal.
Everybody shoots him down.
Signal picked up by other amateurs.
Signal strong.
Signal coming in.
Signal slowing down.
Major press conference.
And you got a month or more to kind of unveil the story and the details safely after the presidential midterm election Well, Richard, I am not an astronomer.
I can't sit here tonight and say that signal is there because I don't know it to be so.
All I know is there are an awful lot of reports, and I'll be damned if I'm going to be afraid to pass them on to my audience for their consideration.
And it's like the world comes down on me when I do something like this.
All I'm doing is reporting what's occurring elsewhere.
I mean, there's all kinds of traffic on the Internet about this right now.
And that's what I'm reporting, and that's what you're reporting.
I wanted my honest guy, Jim Oreck, who is, frankly, a really neat guy.
Someday you ought to get him on the show.
In fact, maybe after the press conference you'll want him to critique the Radio Astronomy Sox report.
Well, I absolutely would.
Let me quote, then, what he told me.
Yeah, tell me more about him.
Alright, he has been with... I mean, he is a pioneer.
He was the one who discovered The Isle Modulation of the Jupiter Radio Emissions 30-some years ago?
Alright, so again, this, folks, is a heavyweight... A major heavyweight.
Alright, so what does he say?
And a nicer guy you would never want to meet.
Anyway, he wrote me this email, uh, privately, and he commented on the data we had posted.
He says, my reaction, after looking at the data you posted from the Japanese amateur, I was not able to view the GIF file from DOOR, is that it is definitely an artificial signal.
Probably from a nearby source.
Definitely refers to the sharpness and stability of the signal, he goes on, even as it drifts in frequency, and nearby refers to the fact that it is extremely stable in amplitude, therefore not subject to interstellar or interplanetary scintillations like the distant natural sources we observe, i.e., Jupiter's decametric emissions or pulsars.
In other words, what Jim is saying is that if this was a natural source or even an artificial
source coming from East Eupheg, 22 light years away,
it should flicker like a twinkling star in the radio telescope beam.
Richard, can we ascribe, without a doubt, or are we guessing,
the frequency drift to Doppler shift?
No, we can't.
I mean, you could have lots of things.
For instance, if this thing was a geosynchronous satellite that just happened to be stuck out there in the direction of Pegasus, and it had a transmitter and it was near 1420, and the transmitter oscillator was broken, or there was a thermal problem and it was drifting, I mean, you could think of all kinds of solutions.
That's a lot of drift, Richard, for... Well, exactly.
It's a lot of drift.
You know electronics, and you know they're much more stable.
Oh, yeah.
Um, so no, it's kind of like, you don't want to leap yet, but remember, Friday night, I said it had to drift.
Sunday night, we get the report, it's drifting.
That's called prediction and success.
And we'll have more data points.
Remember, every single day, this thing is getting closer, if I'm right.
It's getting stronger, if I'm right.
More amateurs should be able to pick it up, if I'm right.
And on Wednesday, we got a major press conference backed by major astronomical associations in London, An enterprise rep will be there.
Well, there are, as I said, a lot of people out trashing me, trashing you, trashing, I guess, the people that are putting these reports up.
And that's all fine and well, but they're not doing... The only thing that bothers me about the criticism is the criticism doesn't seem to be saying, hey, we trained our dishes up there.
Ha ha ha.
There's nothing.
We hear nothing.
That's not what they're saying.
They're just sort of coming at this like, you know, we don't believe it.
We don't believe it.
We have not announced it.
We don't believe it.
That's the way they're attacking it.
It's trellish.
Let me go back to the web for a second and quote to you from Doar himself.
He posted some new data today.
Okay.
Okay.
And let me click on it.
I'm having a little problem with this browser tonight for some reason.
Probably, because our websites are beginning to get swamped.
I mean, a lot of people want to see this stuff, and now we've got the new Japanese reports up there.
Yep, and then there's new data today, November 2nd, from Doerr.
Screenshots of data from Doerr, all collected over the weekend.
Let me read you his third posting, which was a GIF dated November 1, 1998, time 1810 to 1841, Universal Time, which is Greenwich.
He said this is the most recent as of 1101, meaning the 1st of November, This is the first shot of what I believe to be the navigational data signal.
He, a radar engineer, Art, is calling this a navigational data signal.
Navigational data signal.
Right?
Because you can clearly see the navigational signal as well as the noise interference I have had to contend with since the signal was made public.
It has only gotten worse over the last week.
And it's now at the point where when we turn the dish toward EQ Pegasi, all we normally
get is white noise, like somebody's popping a signal.
Like somebody's jamming.
Exactly.
Oh, my God.
It just gets stranger and stranger.
Better and better, doesn't it?
Yeah, yeah.
I hate to say it, Art, but I really think we're on the verge of something very, very
interesting.
Have you analyzed, have you looked carefully at these latest Japanese GIFs or audio files?
I don't know what to call them.
I guess it's a GIF.
It's potato or potato.
That's right.
Anyway, these screen dumps.
Have you looked at them and what do you think?
Well, I have and as I said, Jim Lorick looked at them and his, you know, obviously his analysis carries a lot more weight than mine, but we both concur that they look very artificial.
They look clean.
They look relatively nearby.
In other words, they look like they're within billions of miles of the Earth and not hundreds of light years away or tens of light years away.
Because if you get a signal coming across space, even relatively small amounts of galactic space, you have this interstellar scintillation.
It's like twinkling of stars coming to the atmosphere except the
radio the radio equivalent of a visual twinkle a visual twinkle
and Jim is the first person to point out the absence now this of course can argue that it's a very close by
signal from an artificial satellite the problem then is you don't have satellites that stand
still or come at you at 4000 miles per second no you don't
you don't I'm sitting here trying to think this through myself, and for that much drift to be in any... They'd shut it down.
They'd shut a satellite down.
Just because of the nuisance to other associated frequencies, and international timing, and GPS, and... That's right.
No, this is getting, as I said, better and better, and we'll know a lot more as of Wednesday.
I strongly urge people who have computers to go to the website EnterpriseMission.com and read the implications of a call from Pegasus.
You will find data there that connects a lot of dots, that goes to a very deep pattern, and this seems to be part of a pattern.
I'll give you an example.
Remember how I said on Friday night that I was very curious as to the location of the signal?
Yes.
EQ Pegasi is a little double star system, M-type dwarfs, 110,000th the brightness of the sun, 21, 22 light years out.
On the celestial sky, which has a set of coordinates pegged to Greenwich, like latitude and longitude on the Earth, it's at 23 hours, 31 minutes, or 23 and a half degrees.
And it's at 19.5 degrees declination.
Right, I recall you saying that.
And those numbers, for everybody who listens to my voice regularly, should leap out at you because it's the Sedonian numbers.
It's the Cydonia Geometry.
It's the inscribed Tetrahedral Geometry.
Now, wait, wait, wait, wait a minute.
You mean to tell me in the whole damn galaxy, the only guys that can talk to us are from a star that happens to be located in a terrestrial tetrahedral reference frame?
Only in Hoagland's world.
Uh, Richard.
But I didn't make up the coordinates.
I understand that.
Uh, let me read this to you.
I was reading the GeoCities page.
This is, uh, email.
To the ET signal again.
And there is an update today.
Perhaps you already know this, but apparently a Japanese radio amateur operator confirmed the signal.
But the more interesting thing is, it's not on 1453, but 1452 megahertz now.
And change.
And change.
And he says, he goes on.
Here's the interesting part.
I also checked out Harvard's Project Beta.
Guess where they're pointing the dish at?
I checked Saturday, and just five minutes ago they are pointing At the Pegasus Constellation, where EQ Pegasi is located, in fact, for the past 20 minutes at the time he wrote this, is traveling in a line that would intersect EQ Pegasi.
Imagine that!
So, whatever it is they're saying, the fact is, they apparently were over there listening real hard at something.
You know, this reminds me of what happened on election night, and considering that tomorrow night's an election, it's just very appropriate.
I always used to wonder when I was growing up that everybody waited with bated breath.
Walter used to wait before I went to work for him and the other guys for the candidate who lost to come out and concede.
Remember the big thing, the concession speech?
Of course.
And I asked my parents one day, I said, what happens if the guy doesn't give up?
In other words, does the speech make any difference or do the numbers make a difference?
If you don't concede the election, does it mean you never lost?
It's interesting, you should mention that, election-wise.
There's a Matt Drudge report that there were some... Drudge is reporting tonight that some ABC sites were already counting votes.
Now, I'm not sure that that is true.
It may have been true for a while, or maybe they were just up there testing Uh, the reporting sites, but Drudge seemed to interpret that as ABC already counting votes.
Now, after he reported it, these sites went down like, uh, uh, so much, uh, timber.
Psh!
Gone.
Well, you remember that Matt, Paul Doerr, our engineer, our radio guy here, who is going
to get to be a household word I think in the next few days, was reporting he was getting
emails or phone calls from Matt Drudge asking him questions like, what do they eat?
You mean we can finally get Matt off Monica?
Apparently.
Every now and then.
He even reported on me during my absence from the program.
So every now and then you can drag Drudge from Monica for something else.
And I'd be interested in exactly what he's found out.
So Matt, if you're out there, I'd love to hear from you.
For our next hour's audience, I'm going to hold you over for just a few minutes, if I might, to kind of summarize for the New York audience, which comes online at that hour, where we are with all of this again, so that we can be clear.
And I don't want to be alarmist.
I don't want to help perpetrate a hoax.
But on the other hand, I'll be damned if I'm not going to report on something as important, potentially important, earth-shaking as this.
One of the things that we need to do is we need to do two things.
We need to call for, again, serious amateurs in the Art Bell audience, coast-to-coast and around the world.
For God's sake, if you've got the equipment, turn it toward EQPEG and let us know what you hear.
And send screen dumps.
And by all means, use the best equipment you have so we can get precision and nail down this Doppler shift, because that's critical The answer to the model is to what this thing really is.
All right.
Last reported frequency, 1452 MHz and change.
And in the direction... But it's falling, which means we should project down from that data point.
It's losing about 1 MHz per day.
So they should be scanning 5 or 6 MHz either side of 1452.
Precisely.
All right.
Good enough.
Hold on, Richard.
We'll be back to you after the break.
So, you're sort of caught up.
This thing is going on by the hour.
But one thing, whatever it is, it certainly is exciting.
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From the high deserts.
Good evening everybody, or good morning as the case may be.
Well, following up directly now on last week, we're going to do a quick summary.
Richard Hoagland has been here for the past hour doing a somewhat more lengthy summary, but we're going to do a quick summary for you on this whole What's that signal out there, question?
Is it a hoax?
A signal from the Pegasus System?
EQI?
EQPeg?
Pegasi, I believe it is?
There are now many, many reports of this signal, and there are many denials, and a lot of people are jumping up and down, and a lot of people are getting all upset at me because I'm reporting what's on the web.
So, let's get a brief summary, once again, from Richard C. Hoagland, and then we'll turn our attention from out there to down below where we are, signals from the inner earth.
Right now, Richard Hoagland, once again, Richard, for the New York audience that joins at this hour, please kind of catch them up chronologically and tell them where we are.
Okay, well, good morning, Art, and good morning, the old good apple.
When we last left our story on Friday, We had an amateur radio astronomer who was connected with the British aerospace industry named Paul Dorr, who about a week and a half ago picked up strange radio signals near 1453 MHz coming from the direction of a little tiny set of stars 22 light years away called EQ Pegasi.
Right.
The establishment said, ah, no way, it's a hoax, he's anonymous, he can't be real, it's just an appearance, it's an old satellite, it's a broken teacup, whatever.
In the interim, across the weekend, two additional confirmations have come in.
One from the radio astronomer in Guernsey, who we reported on Friday night.
Right.
Who reported it as pretty much where a door had reported it.
And then on Sunday, a Japanese amateur astronomer, connected with a major communications firm in Japan, on his equipment, which was apparently better grade, a spectrum analyzer, picked up the signal, but the most remarkable thing about his confirmation is, It was almost two million cycles, two megahertz, down in frequency from Doors' original intercept.
Moving down.
Moving down, like a tone going down, down, down, down, down.
Now, what I said on Friday is, if this was not an interstellar signal, if it wasn't coming from the stars, if it was from much closer, a probe decelerating, a Bracewell probe approaching the solar system, maybe to make a landing Sometime in December, as some of our sources have been implying for two or three months now from the Pentagon, and maybe this was what they were talking about, and in which case the signal would have to decrease in frequency as the probe slowed down to get to zero so it can land.
So we could either be observing a decelerating craft or a decelerating something, Uh, you have a source, a retired NASA source, his name is... Dr. James Warwick.
He was the Planetary Radio Astronomy Experiment Principal Investigator on the Voyager 1 and 2 spacecraft.
And his... Jupiter and Saturn, etc., etc.
Heavyweight.
So his comment on this was... Well, he looked at the Japanese signal, which is posted on our website, and also on yours.
Right.
Bell.com, EnterpriseMission.com.
Right.
And his comment was that there are several interesting characteristics.
One is it's very narrow and very stable, indicating to him it's artificial.
Also indicating to him that it is near.
Now, near in space is a relative term.
He means it's not at stellar distance, because signals at stellar distances, like stars seen through the Earth's atmosphere, twinkle in a radio telescope.
So if there were 20 or 21 light years or 22 light years away, it would be...
It would be twinkling, it wouldn't be that hard character.
Right.
Whereas if it's 10 billion miles out, like I calculated Friday night based on the Doppler model, it's right in our own neighborhood, right next door, and it would not twinkle because it's powerful, it's being picked up on essentially souped-up backyard satellite dish equivalents, and it would, A, be getting stronger, it should be easier to detect, more and more amateurs should find it, so guys out there and gals, if you're into radio astronomy, for God's sake, tune in and let us know.
And then the other major piece of news is that, as of this morning, Paul Dore announced to the London Sun newspaper, one of the major London papers, that they are going to hold this press conference, official press conference, in London, sponsored by the International Astronomical Union and the British Astronomical Association at the Scientific Theatre of Seville Row in London.
Which is another major place that isn't likely to lend itself to hoaxes.
So, by Wednesday, the day after our elections, we should know a lot more, and the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth out there should either rise to an increasing din, or maybe go away as officialdom begins to recognize that we're on the brink of something maybe remarkable.
God, that's tantalizing.
Now, the Germans are denying Epplesburg, which is a big 300-foot dish outside of Bonn, claims that they're not officially doing anything.
But then, a moment later, they do admit that some of their guys, the people who basically rent time on their telescope, have trotted over to London.
Did they say London?
No, they said abroad.
Abroad, alright.
Remember, in Germany, London is abroad.
It is abroad, but I mean, there's a lot of abroad out there, so it could be also.
But the fact of the matter is, some of their astronomers recently doing work are, quote, abroad.
Yeah, some of our astronomers are missing.
The most intriguing domestic reaction, I think, comes from Harvard.
Remember Harvard?
Yes, Harvard.
Project Beta?
Yes.
The Planetary Radio Astronomy Group is carrying out its signals.
Yes.
You know, Beta stands for Billion Signal Search.
It listens to about a billion simultaneous frequencies.
And as of a few days ago, on the 29th, which was Thursday, Friday, the day that John Glenn was launched, the Beta Project website suddenly froze.
They no longer were updating every ten minutes their scans of the sky.
Now, this is the SETI project at Harvard, right?
Sponsored by Carl Sagan's old organization, the Planetary Society.
Alright.
And with money from, among others, Steven Spielberg, as I said, Friday.
The one other spokesman, Jonathan Wolfe, said today that, well, we had to take the site down because we're getting too many hits.
Too many hits.
Wait a minute, guys.
Too many?
You mean you don't want people to know what's going on?
You're not equipped to handle more than a couple of mice and a chihuahua?
and then the other thing he said was well we looked at eq peg and there was
nothing there but some anomaly so i think that i'm gonna pop up but they don't also know
it's alright um...
i have a message here which i read earlier and i'll just read this part
again from somebody who checked on saturday at harvard's project
data when they could get in
and he said guess where they're pointing their dish at I'm...
I checked Saturday, five minutes ago, as of the time of the writing of this on Saturday, they were pointing at the Pegasus constellation.
How about that?
So, you know, I have, as I said in the earlier hour, I'm not a radio astronomer.
I have no way of personally confirming or denying this, but I'll be damned if I'm not going to report on it, and I don't care how much consternation it causes out there.
There's something going on here.
Well, my gut tells me there's something going on.
As I said in the last hour, we will have an Enterprise mission representative at the press conference.
They have also announced that they're going to be putting it on real audio, so we're going to pop a link up there.
Keith, obviously, is going to be alerted.
Good.
So people here can listen.
I'm sure it will be on the Art Bell site as well.
So that we can eavesdrop.
This is kind of cute, isn't it?
Eavesdropping on an eavesdrop signal.
From here, with the internet.
Thank you.
Can you imagine, Art, where we would be if we didn't have the internet tonight?
Have you seen a whisper of this?
Well, we wouldn't be talking about this, would we?
ABC, CBS, NBC?
No.
Has anybody?
And they're all over Monica.
I know.
And this is the story of the century, maybe.
And no one's even given a hint that there may be something going on here.
Well, uh... You're not selling newspapers, are you?
What is happening, Richard, is that there are a couple of programs out there berating us For apparently daring to report what is out there.
Let me tell you a funny story.
When you had to take your unfortunate two-week hiatus, I got a call from an intelligence source.
And I know this source, okay?
This individual told me that one of the reasons you had been forced off the air was to prevent you from covering this December event.
I put that on the shelf with all the other stuff because, of course, you and I know each other.
Now, of course, I'm looking back and I'm saying, why was this person linking your need to go into hiatus for a couple of weeks with an event that we didn't even know was going to happen?
Even though he's obviously wrong.
But to see that is strange.
This is how those folks think.
Remember, they're into puzzles.
They're into funny, complicated head games.
And it was obviously designed to sensitize me to the idea of this December event so that when this little story, by the way, the coincidence of you coming back Wednesday night and having Seth on, Seth Shostak, Yes.
Richard, I can't tell you how I appreciate the update and I say to hell with them.
We'll report what we get and so if people want to hear it, they can hear it here.
Amen.
How's that?
So, tomorrow night, maybe you'll be back.
Who knows?
We will follow this story wherever it goes.
Oh, and for New York, we have posted on our website an implications piece.
You know, implications of a call from Pegasus.
Right, I'll tell them how to get there.
Richard, talk to you tomorrow.
Same here.
Take care.
Alright, that's Richard C. Hoagland, folks, and there's your update.
So, as I just said, and let me repeat again, Uh, while I'm able to be here, there's nobody that's going to stop me from reporting on what I consider to be a potentially very, very interesting story, whichever way it goes.
And I am curious at the agonized reaction to my reporting of this.
I mean, these are well-qualified individuals that are reporting this.
Whether you believe it to be a hoax or not, it may be a hoax.
It may be!
I have no way of knowing, but these are well-qualified, named, identified people who are perpetrating it, if that's what it is.
And if it isn't, then it's one of the biggest stories mankind has ever stumbled into.
And I find the reaction of the detractors, the naysayers, To be somewhat unscientific and somewhat curious.
And with that, we'll break and then we'll talk about signals from elsewhere.
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