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Oct. 31, 1998 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Ghost to Ghost 1998

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, heads up, everybody.
unidentified		We're about 45 seconds from air.
		To talk without death in the Kingdom of Nigh, from east of the Rockies, Bio 1-800-825-5033.
		West of the Rockies, including Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico.
		1-800-618-8255.
		First-time callers may reach out at area code 702-727-1222.
		And you may call out on the wild card line at Area Code 702-727-1295.
		To reach out from outside the U.S., first dial your access number to the USA.
		Then, 800-893-0903.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. from the Kingdom of Nigh with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you want to stay on this ride, you better have a strong heart.
		As my partner and I sat waiting for a call, I began to tell her the story that I'd seen on TV.
		But for some unknown reason, I couldn't remember the name of the hotel.
		At that moment, we got an emergency call.
		We ran the call, brought the patient to the hospital.
		The whole time, I'm trying to remember the name of that doggone hotel.
		Well, we arrive at the hospital and wheel the patient inside.
		As I'm giving my report to the nurse in the emergency room, I just happen to glance behind the desk and hanging on the wall is a calendar.
		And the full-color, large picture on the calendar is, you guessed it, the Hotel del Coronado.
		Well, I tend to pay attention to these little things and took this as an invitation from Kate to visit her hotel.
		So, I reserved one of their smallest, cheapest rooms, and the next time I had a four-day weekend, I packed up my convertible, drove down the coast from San Francisco to San Diego, arrived at the hotel, went up to the desk to check in, and the clerk says, oh, I'm sorry, all of the small, cheap rooms like the one you had reserved are booked up.
		Hmm, let me see, oh, we do have this suite with a balcony overlooking the courtyard in the old section of the hotel.
		Will that be all right?
		He said, I'll give it to you for the same price as the small, cheap, cheesy room you had reserved.
		Naturally, I say, okay, and I'm beginning to think this is going to be a very interesting stay.
		So, up I go to the bubble bath, drank a beer, out-of-the-room bar.
		Shouldn't do that, by the way, they're terribly expensive.
		Jumped on the bed, as is my habit, anytime I stay in an expensive hotel.
		I took a nap and got dressed for dinner.
		Went down to the bar for a cocktail.
		The bartender brought all of my drinks, had dinner in one of the restaurants, and when I asked for my check, the waiter told me that a gentleman who had been seated across the room had paid the check.
		The rest of the visit was uneventful, no apparitions, no funky stuff, until the stay at the hotel never showed up on my credit card bill.
		Now, I'm a relatively honest person, and under normal circumstances, I probably would have called the hotel bull a coronado.
		Told them about their oversight, however, when viewed with everything else that occurred, the calendar, the upgrade, the free drinks, the free dinner, it was rather apparent to me that I had indeed been a guest, Kate's guest, at the Hotel Del Coronado.
		She is a fine hostess, and I hope to return one of these days.
		And I have, of course, many more like this.
		And if any of you have a particularly good ghost story, we're going to do two things.
		One, we are going to tell ghost stories from those of you who call on the calling lines.
		And we are going to also invite you, rather than sending in a fax with your ghost story, if you have a particularly good one, send me a fax with your phone number, and I will call you open.
		So wherever you are in the world, it doesn't matter where you are in the world, if you have a ghost story, and I do have one sent to me here from Belgium.
		I've got another one from South Africa.
		All lines, all night, all ghost stories.
		Here we go.
		First time calling line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		This is Carrie calling from Eugene, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Kay.
		How are you?
		You're going to have to get good and close to the Phone because you're not too loud.
unidentified		How's this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's better.
unidentified		All right.
		Well, my boyfriend's brother, he moved into this house in Providence, Rhode Island.
		And come to find out, it used to be a funeral home.
		And like they have the places like in the basement where they burned the bodies and did all that crazy stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cremation.
unidentified		Yes.
		And now he feels like there's a ghost there.
		Like things will be missing, like things you don't misplace, like toothpaste, cutting board, just gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gone.
unidentified		And one time his roommate, you know, they were just sitting there drinking coffee.
		His roommate went to his room because he finished his cup and he came back out and it was completely filled hot.
		Jason didn't get it for him or anything.
		And it wasn't even made right how he likes it.
		And he says sometimes, you know, like a door will slam.
		One time he actually had to leave because he was so scared because there was like rubbing all on the walls and clanging noises.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, let me tell you a little story back now.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I saw a movie the other night.
		I can't recall the name of it, unfortunately.
		Now a million people will send it to me, but it was about a man who went to work in a morgue.
		And he was a guard in the morgue.
		And he would have his little guard desk and he'd have his little, you know, guards have keys and they have to make the rounds and turn the key so that the owner knows they really made their assigned rounds at night.
		And he had a desk and a workstation when he wasn't having to make his rounds.
		And there was this red light behind him.
		And in the morgue, they would have the bodies all lined up on these cots covered with sheets in what's called a cold room.
		But above each body, there was a pull cord.
		You know, a cord you could pull.
unidentified		Just in case?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just in case.
		And should somebody pull that cord, it would obviously mean to the guy sitting at the desk that one of the bodies in the morgue had reanimated.
		Not unheard of.
		And I'm not going to tell you any more than that, but I will tell you, it went off.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
unidentified		Yeah, it's pretty weird.
		Is there like, who would you go about calling?
		Say if you wanted to have like a specialist come in there and see, you know, what was going on?
		Any ideas?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		I have many people.
		In fact, the guest I'm going to have on this coming Monday night might be exactly the person you're looking for.
		Yeah, it's pretty crazy because, you know, his name now, listen to me, is Jerome Clark, and he wrote a book called Unexplained Strange Sightings, Incredible Occurrences, and Puzzling Physical Phenomena.
		Now, he'll be here Monday night, Tuesday morning next week.
		Somebody like that is the kind of person you need.
unidentified		Definitely.
unidentified		Thanks so much for your help.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
		Take care, and good luck.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, Arthur, this is Greg from Alcohol, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Greg.
unidentified		How are you, Arthur?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine.
unidentified		I have a good one for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Do I have about four or five minutes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do.
unidentified		Excellent.
		My wife's mother had died back in February, actually on February 13th of this year.
		And prior to her death, my wife and children and I had stayed with her overnight in that house on many occasions.
		Sure.
		Just a normal home.
		Nothing strange.
		Very comfortable there.
		No problems whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would just be visiting her and stay the night?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		Taking up the house at the time of her death went into probate.
		And of course, my wife and her siblings not wanting to leave the house empty, of course, because of vandals and that sort of thing.
		My wife and our two daughters and our unborn son moved into that empty house on March 1st of this year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Makes sense.
unidentified		Shortly after my family and I took occupancy of the home, certain events started to take place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like what?
unidentified		Well, just to paraphrase to you, also, at this time, on or on March 10th, we adopted a German Shepherd Beagle mix that made my wife feel a lot better, of course, because I worked late at night, sometimes till 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mmm, like me.
unidentified		Yeah, there you go.
		And it gave her a peace of mind because the house was out in the country.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like for me.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		And within the first two weeks that we took up residence in my wife's deceased mother's home, my wife would relate to me from time to time that she felt as she was being watched intensely.
		I myself, at the time being a complete skeptic, dismissed the information as an overact of imagination, which I probably should not have.
		That was my belief until the evening of March 16th, 1998, when my eyes were widely opened.
		On that evening, I was having dinner with my wife and children, and my sister-in-law and her two children, teenage children, were over to the house for dinner just a few weeks after moving into the house.
		Everyone had left but my wife and I, and I was sitting in a position in the dining room at the dining room table area that allowed me to look all the way down the hallway into one of three bedrooms, which was my youngest daughter's at the time.
		Sure.
		At that point, I saw something that is so hard for me to describe.
		It was an aura of what seemed to be a woman's form with a lot to me of what seemed to be energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, indistinct, kind of a foggy light aura.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And it definitely was, it was, it seemed to be the shape of a woman to me.
		I was so motionless and locked into what was happening at the time that I almost lost relative consciousness of what or where I was, except for what was going on in that room.
		My wife was sitting over to the right of me and asked me what I had seen, and I described it to her, and she said something to the effect of, you two?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You too?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean she saw it as well?
unidentified		She had seen and felt things before me, and yet had never, over that period of time, that two-week period since we'd moved in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you hang on through the break?
		Absolutely, Arthur.
		Stay right where you are.
		When one sees it, you can imagine a bit of undigested meat.
		When two see it...
		well My suggestion, turn the lights down, turn the radio up, get as comfortable as you can, because some of what you hear is going to require you be in a nice, comfortable place.
		By the way, with respect to my story about the Hotel Del Coronado, I just got this.
		Hi, Art.
		My sister-in-law actually works at the Hotel Delta.
		Hotel Coronado as a conciance.
		She says the ghost stories are real, and you can, even if you wish it, rent.
		I repeat, you can rent the haunted room.
		That's from Jeff in Amherst, Ohio.
		Wonder if that's really true.
		Thank you, Jeff.
		And by the way, for any of you who have ghost stories out there, just send me a fax and tempt me.
		Tell me how good it is and give me a phone number.
		And if I am tempted enough, I will call you and get you on the air.
		My fax number is area code 702-727-8499.
		If you can't tempt me in one page, you can't do it, so hold it to one page.
		And now, back to the gentleman who saw the apparition down the hall in the bedroom and then turned to his wife.
		And his wife saw it too, right, sir?
unidentified		Yes, she had seen it, but it was at a different time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so then what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, did you sit there and compare notes with her or what?
unidentified		Well, I had the hair was standing up on the back of my neck, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure it was.
unidentified		And I didn't know what to think.
unidentified		I just moved my wife and my children into a house, and I didn't know how long I was going to be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you think about getting out?
unidentified		You know, at that point, I really didn't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		Actually, it's so easy to say, man, I'd be out of there like a shot.
		But the fact of the matter is, there are financial considerations, there are physical considerations.
		You have a wife, you have children, you have a lot of furniture, you've moved into a house.
		So you don't just immediately make a decision to split.
unidentified		Let me tell you, the rest of my notes that I have here for you that I compiled today, you're going to think more and more of why we didn't actually get out.
		On or around March 22nd, I was alone in the house.
		My wife had left with her sister and my children.
		They went over visiting for the day.
		It was around the noon hour.
		I was preparing to leave for work.
		I had just come out of the restroom that adjoined our master bedroom.
		Bear in mind, our bedroom used to be my deceased mother-in-law's bedroom.
		In a fairly quick instance, as I looked over my right shoulder, and I can see this as plainly as the day that, in my mind, is the day that I did see it, in just a few seconds' time, I saw my deceased mother-in-law leaning over the dresser area where her dresser used to be in her room.
		And it appeared as if she was leaning over to place something down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This time, she was of more form?
unidentified		Yes.
		Shortly thereafter, that situation, an interesting yet strange phenomenon began to occur.
		My deceased mother-in-law had, there was a beautiful type plush white carpet, very white carpet, in her home.
		It was throughout the home.
		There was no variance throughout any of the rooms whatsoever.
		I'm just giving the details so the listeners understand what I'm about to say.
		One morning, I would believe it was the end of March, 1st of April, my wife said, honey, come look at this.
		And I said, well, when you walk barefoot on the carpet art, it would leave almost a type of imprint of your foot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand exactly what you're saying, yes.
unidentified		And so we experimented a little bit.
		This was not my wife's footprint art.
		It wasn't my footprint.
		And it was much too large to be either of my daughter's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		So we just stood there looking down, and my wife said, I know it's my mother's.
		I know it's my mother's footprint that she lived with her mother until she married me until she was 19 years of age.
		She felt that also too, from that time on, that the constant set of eyes being watched was all the more ever-present.
		Our dog, on many occasions, would stand up and stare across the house into our bedroom, whining, staring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to ask, it's an embarrassing question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't have to answer this, but if it was your wife's mother haunting the house, present in the house, didn't that kind of take the edge off moments of intimacy for your wife?
unidentified		Well, at that time, Armard, that is a personal question, my wife was only about three months from delivering arsenic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		You say no more.
		That's fine.
unidentified		Very pregnant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, I can imagine it would be a problem.
unidentified		I can understand what you're saying, and I do agree with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mom, if you're listening, you know what I mean.
unidentified		Okay.
		In the summer months, another factor started to come into play.
		And this is one when I was writing it earlier this evening, I guess I'm listing this in as much of a chronological order as I can.
		Sure.
		I was reluctant to discuss this and the only reason I am discussing it right now is after we'd moved out and we're living where we're living now, I asked my wife if she, you know, I didn't want her to think I was nuts.
		So I asked her and she looked at me and said, yes, I had to and this is the next part of the story.
		At night in my wife and I's bedroom, which of course was my deceased mother-in-law's, at times my vision in the dark, I would lay awake at times and it would start to blur.
		Eerie, if not demonic type faces would appear in the dark room.
		They would come, it was very sharp to me and they would fade out slowly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be enough for me.
unidentified		And the thing that bothered me about this art was if this was my mother, it wasn't that obviously to me was not my mother-in-law.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously.
unidentified		Her appearance was not as foreboding as this particular situation.
unidentified		And I started, that's when I started thinking, my God, is there a portal or something else that followed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly where I was about to go.
		We've got to wrap this up, but that's exactly where I was going.
		Is there a clothesline to this, or is that essentially it?
		Did you get out of there or what?
unidentified		Well, at that point, those things were starting to happen at the end of the summer.
		There were thumping noises on the wall.
		Many occasions at the noon hour, almost on certain days, frequently the phone would ring.
		There would never be anybody there.
		And the one thing that I would like to say, Art, and this is probably of some interest to you, I often wonder at this point if the intrusion, taking it nothing but an appearance by my mother-in-law in the last few recent days to my wife has appeared.
		There hasn't been anything since we moved to our new home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Listen, thank you so very much.
		There are two things here.
		One, it's pretty well known, and I can't explain why, maybe you can, maybe one of you can, why a spirit apparently trapped on earth or one that has not yet moved on remains essentially in the same place, the same house, same geography, the same place.
		Why?
		Why?
		And the second thing that I would draw from that is he said it himself.
		Do you think it might be true that once something has come through or is visible on both sides, depending on how you want to look at it, that in essence a portal has opened, allowing not just the spirit of his mother-in-law, but more to come through.
		That's worth some thought.
		On our international line, you are on the air.
		Good morning to you.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Mark from Auckland, New Zealand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Auckland, New Zealand.
		Yes, sir.
		Welcome to the program.
unidentified		Yes, I have a bit of an unusual ghost story to tell.
		I frequently have out-of-body experiences.
		And one time, I managed to catch a glimpse of my own ghost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		What?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, if anything would stop me from having OBEs, assuming I could have them at will, that would do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You saw your own ghost.
unidentified		Yes, well, people who frequently have out-of-body experiences will know that you can sometimes get stuck in your corporeal body or physical body.
		This frequently happens to me.
		And this one time, a part of me separated while my vision remained in my body, my physical body, and I saw this watery ghost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you saw your spiritual self in a visual way with the vision from your own body leaving your body?
unidentified		Yeah, I saw it walking across the room.
		Well, I saw myself walking across the room.
		It was sort of like a third-person perspective.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did that stop you from doing that?
unidentified		No, I've had more hair-raising experiences than that.
		That was an unusual though.
		No, it hasn't stopped me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would have stopped me cold.
		All right, my friend, thank you.
		That's from New Zealand.
		That would have stopped me cold.
		To have the physical vision remain in a somewhat active mind and to see your spirit leave your own body and to realize that your essentially dead, spiritless body is observing its own spirit leaving.
		Thank you.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Austin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Austin, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		It's kind of secondhand because it's something my mother told me happened before I was born.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your name?
unidentified		Sarah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sarah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Sarah.
unidentified		Okay.
		She was living in Salem, Massachusetts with my father.
		They'd gotten married recently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And in the house they were living, I think it was probably an old house, these things started happening.
		First, the cats started acting weird.
		Like they'd be running across the room and all of a sudden they'd stop like there was a wall in front of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've seen cats do that many times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They see things we don't.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		And once or twice she said she found them in shut dresser drawers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cats?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		They'd have gotten inside the drawer and it was shut behind them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		She was alone in the apartment.
		And once the bathroom door was stuck and she wasn't sure why it was stuck.
		She kept trying to get it open.
		My father wasn't home so she had to get a neighbor to help her open it.
		And it took him a lot of work to get it open.
		And when they got it open, it was like 20 degrees colder in the bathroom than it had been anywhere else in the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes.
		And then my father would start, he would say he felt a hand on the back of his neck, but my mother was across the room or in a different room and there was no one else in the house.
		And then the last thing that happened, my mom said this was the last thing that happened and after that nothing ever happened.
		My father came in the room where she was and he was like all white and shaking and told her that he had been walking up the stairs and he saw this woman walking down the stairs towards him and that she was wearing like old-fashioned clothes.
		That was all they told me.
		I didn't get any more detail than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		She was walking towards him and then when they passed each other on the stairs, he felt like totally cold all the way through and then she vanished and then they never saw anything else again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure do appreciate the story.
unidentified		I thought she'd want to hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
		Thank you.
		I wonder what it is about the presence of an entity that causes temperatures to drop.
		And by the way, I might add measurably drop.
		I have interviewed any number of ghost researchers and it's about half and half.
		Some say they're unable to measure the temperature to drop, but they can certainly feel it.
		The other half say they have measured up to, as this young lady said, up to 20 degrees and more of difference.
		Sometimes right down to freezing.
		She mentioned cats and brings to mind the following.
		Again from Canada.
		Canada must be a very haunted place.
		Where I live, we have woods by our house, about seven-tenths of a kilometer by six-tenths of a kilometer in size.
		And in this woods is a man, some time ago, who hung himself, actually 70 years ago, when his wife had died at an early age.
		70 years ago, the land that everyone is now living on was farmland.
		And ever since those woods, I've been left alone.
		The only thing about the man was he was a cat lover.
		He had about four cats.
		And I can tell you there is something about those woods that is pretty freaky now.
		Every now and then, even now, there is a gathering of cats in the woods.
		No lie, I've seen them.
		They just sit around, 10 to 20 of them.
		Tell you what, I'll do.
		I'll try and get a picture of it next time it happens and send it to you.
		I believe the cats are gathering in this man's name.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Aloha, Art.
unidentified		This is Mike calling from Kehe, Maui, Hawaii.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Mike.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		I'm fine, thanks.
		Actually, I told you this briefly a few years ago.
		My wife and I, my wife Bonnie and I, had gone over to Kauai pre-Eniki, the year before Iniki hit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the big terrible hurricane, yeah.
unidentified		It was a nasty one.
		We stayed at an older, fairly flat resort called the Cocoa Palms.
		It was nice.
		We had driven around the day.
		We went back to the hotel, pretty tired, and we went to bed after listening to the little band downstairs.
		Sometime in the night, I woke up, I was on my back in the bed, and something fairly large, kind of glowing, was at the foot of the bed.
		It was human-shaped, and it scared the Jesus out of me to the point where I was petrified and could not move.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Describe it more than that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		human shape, sort of a miscreen or a...
unidentified		Well, at least seven feet tall.
unidentified		If it was a person, it probably would have weighed several hundred pounds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, so this is very large.
unidentified		Like 250, 300 pounds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		The perception I got was that it was kind of glowing like a glow stick.
		You know, those green glow sticks you crack at night?
		Yes.
		Okay.
		Well, it scared me so bad, all I did was close my eyes.
		Whatever it is, it's going to go away.
		I'm closing my eyes.
		That's it.
		Woke up in the morning, my wife and I finished our time on Kauai, went to Oahu, and driving from the airport over the Pali to the other side, I told her on the Pali, I said, you know what, Dave?
		Last night there was something in our room.
		And she turned to me and the chicken skin started.
		That's when you get the goosebumps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they call it in Hawaii, chicken skin.
unidentified		She freaked out with her big Hawaiian eyes and looked at me and said, I saw it too.
		And I said, well, what would you see?
		Apparently she must have seen a little more than I did and or perceived more than I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe she didn't close her eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure did.
unidentified		My wife says that she saw a very large Hawaiian float in through the window and stand at the foot of our bed.
		And it was, to her, she said it was very pissed off.
		It was a pissed off Hawaiian.
		Now, I'm white.
		My wife's almost pure Hawaiian.
		I'm wondering, is this a Hawaiian ghost looking down seeing a local woman with a white man?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
unidentified		Angry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
unidentified		That was very perturbing, and we both had chicken skin for quite some time that evening.
		One more recently, unfortunately, my wife's lovely father, who lives over in Waime on the Big Island, was diagnosed with a terminal cancer around May this year.
		And he decided that he would prefer not to fight it and would go with hospice care and prefer to live out his remaining time in the living room at home.
		And with a lot of the homes here in Hawaii, we have day beds in the living room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I would make the same choice.
unidentified		So Shem, that's his name, you know, her dad, spent out his remaining time in the living room, on the beautiful hospice bed provided.
		Mom lovingly cared for him, and it was wonderful because he had time and all of us family could come by and say aloha.
		Well, we're staying there, and he has not yet passed away, and the only room left because of all of the Ohana, or family, over, is mom and dad's room, which they really don't sleep in too much anyway because they sleep in the living room.
		Anyway, dad is still alive, but getting near the end.
		This was within three days of him passing on.
		My wife and I go to bed about 11 o'clock at night in the parents' bed.
		I'm sleeping on my stomach, and something gives me a finger jab poke through the mattress into my ribs.
		It felt like it came up about two inches.
		It woke me up, scared the hell out of me, and I said, buddy!
		She goes, what?
		It was something pulled me in the ribs.
		And I rolled over onto my back, and she goes, are you okay?
		I go, yeah, but what was that?
		She goes, I don't know.
		And then something, the pressure of someone sitting down on my legs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I said, on your legs?
unidentified		On my legs.
		I said, and I'm getting chicken skin now.
		I'm freaking out remembering.
		I said, babe, it's sitting on my legs.
		What am I going to do?
		She says, it's okay.
		It's all right.
		It's probably just dad his spirit coming into the room saying, you're in our bed.
		I said, well, he's not dead yet.
		She says, I know, but this is his house and he can move around when he wants.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		I said, Dave, can I please sleep in another room?
unidentified		I can't handle this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's too much.
unidentified		She said, okay.
		So we switched with her sister.
		And Dad passed on shortly after that.
		We have not yet, myself, she's returned to visit mom twice.
		I'm a little leery about visiting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think the state of Hawaii is such a haunted state?
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, though.
		I've had guests on who have told story after story like the ones you just told.
		Hawaii is a very, very haunted set of islands.
		There's no question about it.
unidentified		You and your wife, well, your wife's from Oahu, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		Thank you for listening, Art.
unidentified		I hope your audience keeps in mind that the loved ones are close by.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, sir.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's it.
		Tonight, all we're doing, as you can already tell, are ghost stories.
		Real ghost stories.
		And it's so easy to do.
		You know why?
		Because there are so many of them.
		Sorry about that.
		I get caught up in the stories, and it just happens.
		Here is a gentleman who works, or did work, actually.
		He did the same thing I did in a 911 dispatch center.
		I guess fire dispatch center.
		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in Birch Bay, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program.
unidentified		Well, thank you, Ort.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're about to tell me that you have had ghosts call 911?
unidentified		In a way, yeah.
unidentified		It was basically to, oh, gee, it would be well over a hundred-year-old emergency, I would say, of a dying woman in a small Mexican village on the banks of the Santa Ana River.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A hundred-year-old emergency.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
		Middle 1800s, 1864 to be exact.
		So it's a time travel story as well as a ghost story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess it is, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it may be that where the spirits are, there is no time as we quite exactly understand it or think we do.
unidentified		Oh, sure.
unidentified		And, you know, if they have a story to tell, it can wait for eternity if it has to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, apparently, one did at least part way.
unidentified		Well, let me tell you a little bit about how this started.
		I had just started at this fire communications center.
		It was on the banks of the Santa Ana River.
		This was in 1984.
		And basically, it was a 24-hour operation.
		We were on a 24-hour shift, so we would sleep and eat and pretty much live there for an entire day and then be relieved by the relief crew and work that type of schedule.
		So normally my shift would end at 8 p.m.
		From 8 a.m. to 8 p.m.
		I would get to sleep from 8 p.m. till 1 a.m. and then go back on the board till 4 in the morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
unidentified		And we just, that way, we could at least get a couple hours of uninterrupted sleep.
		Well, I thought the strangest thing was that none of the dispatchers would sleep in the dormitory, which struck me as really odd.
		They all seemed afraid of the place.
		And you know the dispatch personality, they're usually guys that are rock-solid individuals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		They're pretty fearless people, basically.
		But we have guys sleeping in the hallways or bedding down in the lounge, you know, that type of thing.
		Well, I'd been on for about a week, and I got woken up in the morning by the intercom saying that, you know, I could sleep till noon because I was going to have to work a 12-hour overtime shift.
		Someone had called in sick, and I was basically up for it.
		Well, about a half hour later, and usually these things happen when you're dead asleep, I felt something lay across my legs, and there was a groan, like somebody going, uh, you know, when they're stretching.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I woke up and I saw this kind of a, it wasn't a mist, it was almost like a gelatinous fog breaking above my head, and the room was pitch black dark, which was really a strange thing.
		So anyway, I stumbled out in the dispatch center and asked the people if, you know, what the heck was going on, and, you know, why are they playing games?
		And they all gave a conspiratorial look to each other and said, now go back to bed.
		We'll tell you about the ghosts later, right?
		I stepped real good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
unidentified		Well, anyway, it was uneventful.
		I came back for the next shift, and that's when the weirdness happened.
		One in the morning, just a little bit before one in the morning.
		I went into the strangest dream I've ever had.
		I was walking along the banks of the Santa Ana River, and it felt, I mean, I knew it was 1864.
		I just knew it.
		And I thought, this is the strangest dream.
		For one thing, I'm here.
		I can feel the wind on my skin.
		It was just barely blowing.
		I could hear the leaves rustling.
		I could feel the sand crunch underneath my feet along the banks of this river.
		And I thought, wow, this is really interesting.
		I know where I'm at.
		I'm right by the fire dispatch center, but the city's gone.
		I mean, there's nothing here.
		And, you know, where are all the children anyway?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean, you were literally seeing the same geography minus the buildings and the people?
unidentified		Except for, you know, differences or variations of a river as it changes over the year.
		But my internal radar and compass told me I was exactly at the fire dispatch center.
		I was actually walking up to it approaching northbound along the banks of the Santana River.
		And I saw this small house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Kind of like an adobe little house like you would see, part of a rancher or a very small village.
		And this woman appeared in the door.
		And she was what you would call, oh, gee, probably about a 20-year-old, really beautiful senorita.
		I mean, she was just gorgeous with long flowing hair and a smile that would melt your heart.
		I mean, this was like, wow, you know, what's going on?
		Anyway, she beckoned to me to come to the door.
		And as soon as my foot hit the threshold of this little house, I was kind of transported into her, if you know what I mean.
		It's like she melted with me, for want of a better word.
		We were like one person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Spock would say mind meld, yes.
unidentified		Almost like that, but not quite as like, you know, as trite as you would expect something on Star Trek.
unidentified		This was like a total two bodies and two souls instantly mingling together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		And it was an instant feeling of like warmth and love and a tremendous sexual rush, which later on I found out that that happens sometimes.
		Anyway, she kind of separated from me and beckoned me into the house, and I went in there and she showed me this old woman laying on a bed.
		And prior to entering the fire service, I'd been an ambulance driver in L.A. and you pretty much know when a person's ready to breathe their last.
		And this woman was definitely, she was what they call chain-stoking, that, you know, final type of breathing.
		And she had on a kind of like a flow print shift dress.
		And this girl started to tell me that, you know, she was the last of the small village.
		And she had stayed there and taken care of all the people that were sick.
		And they had a drought and a famine.
		And some type of terrible disease had come through the community and killed a lot of people.
		And basically, everybody just packed up and went upriver to try to find a better place to live, took all the children and healthy people and animals, and they all just split.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Makes sense, yeah.
unidentified		And she was the last one taking care of the last person alive that could not make the trip.
		Well, to make a long story shorter, she basically started telling me how all these people died.
		And this is when the dream got really bad.
		I mean, it was like I was trapped in this place.
		If you know, well, you obviously know the personality of a dispatcher that's fully in control of his environment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I certainly do.
unidentified		I mean, you are the savior of the city.
		Otherwise, you'll never make it.
		Anyway, it was the first time in my career that I ever felt totally trapped and scared and wanting to just get up and run from the dispatch center, even though, you know, I wasn't there, but I was.
		All these faces started coming at me.
		They were all like Mexican villagers, which is what lived in that part of California at the time.
		And as each face came at me, I died with them.
		And they were talking to me.
		And one after another after another.
		It must have been 100 faces just coming.
		I mean, like, you know, literally face to face with me.
		And I felt the pain of their death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it you didn't sleep in there again.
unidentified		Oh, I did.
		I was not going to let this.
		I was going to get to the bottom of what the heck was going on with this thing.
		Anyway, there was, you know, I used to hate it when 1 o'clock would roll along and a dispatcher's voice would come on the speaker and say, you know, get out of the sack.
		It's time to hit the board.
		Well, the dispatcher that was handling the ship came on and he pulled me out of my sleep.
		Anyway, I stumbled into the communications center, didn't even put on my uniform.
		I was drenched in sweat.
		I had this big lump in my throat.
		These tears were just like pouring down my face.
		And he looked at me and said, what in the heck happened to you?
		So I told him, I think I just got visited by a ghost.
		And that's when he finally said, oh, these darn ghosts, you know, it's like they've been banging on the switchboard all night.
		I've had this creepy feeling like something's standing here watching me, and I can't take this anymore.
		I'm going to go sleep in the lounge.
		I'm not sleeping in that dorm anymore.
		So I figured, okay, well, you know, there is something here.
		It's not just me in his bed.
		Like something was crushing his chest.
		And he would talk in Spanish, and the other dispatchers would say, yeah, you know, when this guy's sleeping, he starts speaking Spanish, and that's when he's having these nightmares.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's obvious to me, sir.
		Thank you very much for your call and your story.
		It's obvious to me what was occurring.
		I too worked in a 911 dispatch center in Monterey County.
		And on a daily basis, even an hourly basis, you deal with life and death.
		Actually, I found it to be too much, and I spent a year at it and bailed out.
		But you deal with life and death.
		I'm the kind of person that takes my work home with me.
		And so it was not the job for me.
		But a place of haunting?
		Oh, yes.
		Oh, yes, of course.
		A place of crisis?
		A place where death is documented nearly on an hourly basis.
		Sometimes more?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
		On my first time caller line, you're on here.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Ert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Paul, from London, Ontario, Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		London, Ontario, Haunted Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, and Actually, we are pretty haunted.
		Um actually the one I've got is from happened when I was about eight years old.
		Uh we were a bunch of us sitting around messing around and the guys I was with decided to hold a seance.
		And we were sitting in my friend's basement and you you decided to hold a seance.
		Well yeah, you know you're not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's that's like you're really inviting it.
unidentified		Well yeah, that's that's what I like I didn't take part.
		I sat off in the corner going no I just this isn't for me.
		Besides I didn't really believe in that stuff at the time.
		After that I really changed.
		Halfway through the seance I kept hearing strange noises and we were sitting in his basement and they just kept going shh stop making noises.
		I was like it's not me.
		They're like yeah sure just shut up we're trying to get a hold of this ghost and all of a sudden something made me look off in the corner he had an old TV that his dad was going to throw out sitting in the corner well when I looked I noticed it started to glow and after a few minutes it just exploded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The television exploded?
unidentified		Yes.
		The whole screen blew out and what did it for me was the fact it was unplugged.
		The thing is the TV was unplugged.
		When I looked on top of it I saw other people have called in before about it seeing the dark man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The dark man?
unidentified		Yes.
		I saw a dark I I could tell it was a man.
		He was sitting cross-legged on the TV wearing a long coat.
		He just looked at me, smiled, nodded, stood up and disappeared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd be out of there so fast.
unidentified		Well the thing is no one else saw it but me.
unidentified		They kept they were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I mean what about the television?
unidentified		You said the television they also saw the TV explode.
		His mom came downstairs yelling what happened and we were just nothing.
		Like I couldn't tell her well there was someone on top of the TV made it blow up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First of all a television under no circumstance sitting there sedentary not plugged in televisions do not explode period.
unidentified		Oh I know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even plugged in once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be it for me.
unidentified		Well the thing is it that like for me I you'd think he'd be scared but I was just looking at it going okay that was odd and I mean since that day I've seen the same dark man every so often out of the corner of my eye or so it's almost like he's watching me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe he's waiting for you.
unidentified		Well that's what that's what I think because like ever since then I've seen him and if I don't see him I'll hear like I'll hear him call my name.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And the thing is it's it's loud and clear.
unidentified		Other people have heard it and we can be in an empty hallway and we'll hear my name clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe one day when he calls your name you will go with him.
unidentified		Oh that's what I thought.
		And the thing is like I said I'm not afraid of it.
		It's almost like he's there protecting me for something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you should be afraid.
unidentified		Well everyone says that, but I don't know.
		Like I said, it's just something about him doesn't seem to be scary.
		He just seems to be there.
		He doesn't seem to be presenting any harm to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you've got to consider that he's there for a reason.
unidentified		Oh, that I'm pretty sure of.
unidentified		I mean, it was since that day I've started seeing other ghosts as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		All right.
		Well, I appreciate your call.
		I'm a little hesitant to suggest to you that you may be associating with somebody who is going to take you from where you are now to where you will eventually be.
		Wildguard Line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		This is Helen in Karump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here in Barump?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excellent.
unidentified		Almost neighbors, I guess.
unidentified		Before I start my story, I had to chuckle when I, I don't remember, I guess it was a letter you read or a fax about someone from Canada and the cat story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		You might want to mention to the listeners about the fire we had here last week, and they pulled out what was about 104 cats that were dead out of the home.
unidentified		I don't know if you read that in the newspaper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did.
unidentified		Yeah, it was pretty gruesome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pretty horrible, yes.
		Parampa is a strange place in so many ways.
		Are you outside?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
unidentified		As a matter of fact, I'm on the porch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not mine, I presume.
unidentified		Well, I'm not exactly sure where you live.
unidentified		No, my wife says I talk loud, and I didn't want to wake the kids up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
		So you're outside, and we're getting a little bit of wind tonight.
		It looks like we're going to get some rain, huh?
unidentified		It sprinkled a little bit and chased me in earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, you know, it's kind of a spooky night out here, isn't it?
unidentified		Yeah, it's overcast.
unidentified		It has been all day, but not quite this bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, I'm at a breakpoint, so I'm going to hold you over, and since you're in for, obviously, there is no charge.
		So stay right where you are.
		We're telling ghost stories this night, and that's all we're doing.
		If you wish, call it ghost to ghost.
		We have a lot of documented ghost photographs.
		By the way, you should see the one on my website now.
		From 1906.
		Here in the desert, when the clouds and the wind and the rain come, it's very eerie indeed.
		And here is my caller again.
		Out on his porch still?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		After a quick turkey break.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir, from here in Erie, Perump, what have you?
unidentified		Well, back in 1983, I was a young married father, and I took my wife and little baby.
		We moved to California to Long Beach.
		I had a rather low-paying job, and I had an uncle that offered us an apartment in his apartment building if we managed it, so it was for free.
		It was a little one-bedroom apartment, and we were so poor we didn't own the bed yet, so we had a fold-out couch.
		So we put the baby in his crib in the one-bedroom, and we slept out on the couch until we could get in bed.
		Every night, usually about 9 or 10 o'clock, the baby would wake up just screaming hysterical.
		We'd bring him out, and as soon as we brought him out, he would calm down and go to sleep.
		And it got to the point for about a month where we wound up having him sleep with us every night.
		We finally got to bed, excuse me, and switched rooms.
		We put him out in the front room in his crib and we slept in the bedroom.
		I guess it was about a month or so went by.
		One night I was sleeping and I started having this weird dream that turned really scary.
		Now, as I was growing up, there was a period where when I was a young kid I had scary dreams all the time and I guess out of necessity I taught myself to wake up when a dream got too scary.
		Now this happened to me.
		I woke up, I was laying face down on my water bed and something had a hand in the middle of my back and had a hand on the back of my head and was shoving me down into the water, into the pillow.
		And I couldn't breathe.
		So I opened my mouth to talk, to call for help to my wife, and whatever it was, it bound my tongue.
		I couldn't talk.
		All it was coming out was a bunch of gibberish.
		And so I was struggling back and forth and whatever it was was incredibly strong and shoving me down into this water bed.
		And I figured, well, if I wiggle back and forth enough, I'll wake my wife up.
		Well, she woke up and she says, my gosh, what's going on?
		And she flipped on the light.
		And as soon as she turned on the light, whatever it was released me.
		And I looked up at her and she looked at me and she says, oh my gosh, what happened?
		I feel this, it felt, she described that the room felt like it was just filled with hate.
		And I explained to her what had happened and was just, you know, I didn't sleep very much that night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thanks a lot.
		I've got a water bed.
		And up until now, I've loved it.
		Well, I can only imagine that.
		That was attempted murder.
unidentified		Well, let me finish the story, and it gets even creepier.
		We said a couple of quick prayers, and the room still felt creepy.
		We didn't sleep much that night.
		I was also working for my uncle.
		So the next day I told him what had happened.
		And he kind of scoffed at it.
		He says, oh, yeah, right.
		I've never had anyone else complain about living in that apartment.
		And I said, well, I wonder what happened.
		And then he got kind of serious for a minute, and he goes, well, there's something I didn't want to tell you.
		He said, a year before you and your wife moved in, we had a couple that lived there.
		And the man was a drug dealer.
		And he wound up getting murdered in that room.
		Somebody came and busted in and shot him with a shotgun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God.
unidentified		And I said, and you're trying to tell me you don't believe what I'm telling you, that you think it's just a bunch of mumbo-jumbo.
		And he really didn't say much after that.
		And that's basically my story.
		Up until then, of course, I never believed in ghosts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And after that, I'd been...
unidentified		I've been converted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the call on the dark, rainy night.
unidentified		You bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		That was attempted murder.
		That was attempted murder.
		Can you imagine having that happen to you?
		A presence that you can't possibly fight pressing you down into the bed.
		Pressing your tongue so you cannot speak.
		Your head your back into the bed.
		No, thank you.
		Good morning.
		You're on Ghost to Ghost AM.
		I'm Arc L. Where are you, please?
unidentified		I'm in Tampa, Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tampa, Florida.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm listening to you on your net.
		Okay.
		My story goes back to when I joined the Navy.
		Well, I joined in 1980 as a nuclear power electrician and got assigned to the USS Enterprise in 1982.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the Enterprise.
unidentified		Right.
		And the biggest nuclear power carrier in the world, she will not fit through the Panama Canal.
		She has to go all the way around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe that.
		I went through the Panama Canal myself on a large cruise liner.
		And as we went through, we scraped the sides of the ship, so it was that close.
unidentified		Well, it has to do with ghosts that have been there for quite some time.
		They've been there for a very long time.
		The refit took three years before I even got to the ship.
		They took the superstructure off, put a new one on, and I was just getting to the boat as she came out of her refit.
		And so these guys who were signed watches were telling me, do you want a mid-watch and five and six switch gear?
		And I said, I don't know.
		And they said, well, you know, there's a ghost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not a Navy guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Five and six switch gear, what's that?
unidentified		That's where the five and six switch gear is where the controls for the ship service term generators are for paralleling and taking up and down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Generators, okay.
unidentified		Okay.
		And so I didn't really much believe him, and he gave me a mid-watch.
		And I stood a mid-watch on 5-6 switchgear and heard somebody roaming around in the back room.
		Because what we had, and that one switchgear, we had our little office where we had our morning meetings, and we had our gear pullers and our electrical equipment in there.
		And it sounded like someone opening, closing drawers and moving around.
		And I walk in there, and there's only one way in and out, one door.
		And you can see it from the switchgear where you're at.
		And I open the door, and there's nobody in there.
		And, you know, I thought, well, maybe somebody's messing with me, but there was never anybody in that switchgear.
		And then I come to find out there was another ghost haunting number two and three switchgear.
		And by the way, if there's any listeners who were on the Enterprise who were in EE30, Electrical Engineering Group 30, they can verify this.
		And 2 and 3 Switchgear, there was also a ghost.
		Now from what I was told, these guys who were haunting had been vaporized by opening disconnects when they were fully energized.
		And what that had done is it drew an arc and created a fireball and vaporized him and the switchgear around him.
		It just vaporized everything it touched.
		And so these people were instantly turned into gas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, cinder.
unidentified		Right.
		And the one and two and three switchgear was more prevalent.
		One guy told me, he says, yeah, you can't sleep in two and three switchgear because he'll keep you awake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is very common.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, when people die that way, completely, unexpectedly, instantly, tragically, that's when they seem to remain.
unidentified		And the thing was, he was like a guardian, you know what I mean?
		He was making sure that the guys didn't fall asleep on watch because he'd do something to you.
		Now, I was just, you know, I was wondering about the 1, 2, and 3 because I hadn't ever seen it.
		So I decided to play a trick.
		And I decided to pretend I was nodding off.
		And it felt like someone grabbed the back of my head, my hair, and yanked my head and jerked it to wake me up.
		And I was like, man.
		And that just sends a shiver up your spine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it you stayed awake on future walks.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		It was really, really something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're telling me that anybody who was on the Enterprise EE30 at that time could verify this.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Guarantee it.
		Guarantee it.
		There's absolutely no doubt.
		In fact, one guy left his post screaming from 2-3 switchgear and said he'd never stand watch there again, ever.
		And he never told anybody what happened.
		And he wasn't in electrical engineering group 30.
		He was a conventional electrician.
		Sometimes really good conventional electricians, they'd let stand watch on those switch gears.
		But see, the thing was, is there was the nuclear electricians and there was the EE30.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of voltage and current were running through those?
unidentified		450?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		450.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And tremendous ratings of those generators.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tremendous, I'm sure.
unidentified		We had eight turbine generators in all, and there were four react or there were four main machinery rooms and two reactors for each.
		So we had a total of eight reactors, and each reactor, I believe, was one megawatt each.
		So we were running about eight megawatts of power when we were churning and burning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate, I'm sure you were glad to get off the Enterprise.
unidentified		Well, you know what?
		I never really had a problem with them.
		It didn't really scare me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was there any doubt about the fact?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, you say you tried to, you sort of pretended to be asleep.
unidentified		Yeah, I was trying to see if it was real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that it could have been your imagination?
unidentified		Oh, no.
		Oh, no.
		When someone comes up to you and grabs your hair and jerks your head, you know it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
unidentified		You know it.
		I mean, that's something.
		And it happened to anybody who ever fell asleep in two and three switch gear, boom.
		They get waking up instantly.
		You could never, never fall asleep on there while you were on watch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate your call, sir.
		Yep.
		Thank you.
		Take care.
		He's right.
		There would be no mistaking somebody grabbing your hair and yanking your head upward there.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Mr. Belf.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I said, how are you?
unidentified		Pretty good.
unidentified		And yourself?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from southern Indiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Southern Indiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Well, I'd like to answer your questions first.
		You had a couple like why do ghosts stay in one place?
		And I think there was something brought up about why does the temperature change when ghosts surround?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the last caller was a very good example of a ghost that remained exactly there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if that one didn't do it for you, I've got one from San Antonio, Texas that'll curl your hair.
unidentified		That was fairly scary, but I was wanting to explain to you why ghosts stay there, though.
		Now, I was speaking from the philosophical point of a ceremonial magician.
		I don't know if you know anything about ceremonial magic or Kabbalah or ritual magic or anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know a little bit about it.
unidentified		Are you familiar with the philosophical elements like earth, air, fire, and water?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am.
unidentified		Well, they have spirits associated with those.
		They're intelligences of sorts that are similar to animals as far as their intellectual level.
		But sometimes, see, elementals can feed off of emotional energy that people put out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And when people pass away, they'll leave their astral shell or astral body behind.
		And sometimes these elementals can take control of these astral shells.
		And they'll present themselves as a ghost when, in fact, they're elementals, but they'll take on this form.
		And like, for example, a deceased father or a mother or something.
		And when this person feels an emotional attachment to this image they see, that elemental control energy from that individual.
		That's one reason why ghosts stay around like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, they produce one of the greatest emotions a human can have, mortal fear, and then feed from it.
unidentified		Yeah, fear, love, any kind of emotion, anger, hate, anything, elementals can feed from that.
		Not all elementals will do that, though.
		There has to be something that's learned from them.
		Kind of trained.
		Like I said, they have the intelligence of animals.
		But that also has to do with the temperature change in the room.
		Because, for example, a water elemental could produce a cool temperature in a room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why would a spirit be bound like the spirit on the Enterprise or the spirits?
		To, in effect, stand guard.
		Now, I'm going to tell you a very quick story, very much like it.
		I think a lot of the audience may have heard this or perhaps not, but it is a true story, believe it.
		In San Antonio, Texas, a school bus full of children stalled on a train track.
		A train hit it, broadside, killed all the children, or the majority of the children on the bus.
		A horrible tragedy in the San Antonio area.
		And ever since, at that particular intersection, if a car stalls, in fact, people go and test it.
		They actually take their car and they drive Onto these train tracks and stop and put the car in neutral, and the car is always pushed or seemingly moves by itself off the tracks and onto the road on the other side into safety.
		Now, they have tested this, they have taken cars and put them on the tracks with talcum powder on the back of the car.
unidentified		Actually, I have heard of this, Mr. Bill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This true story.
		And when the car reaches the other side of the tracks, there are children's handprints to be found in the talcum powder.
		And this can be done repeatedly.
		It'll occur again and again and again.
		And the story from the Enterprise reminded me of that.
unidentified		See, something like that may work on the same lines that a talisman may work.
		Now, a talisman, I don't know if you're familiar with how talismans operate, but when a talisman is created, it creates a vortex of energy that draws things to it.
		So if you create a talisman to, say, bring money into your life or love or whatever else, you make the talisman for, it creates a magnetic attraction to that.
		Now, it's curious that there were several people involved in the accident when there were quite a few people together and an accident like this occurs, there's a great amount of fear for a split instant before they're killed that goes through their minds.
		Now this would be imprinted on the material that was around them at the time, so that could work very similar.
		Yeah, like, for example, the land around it, the specific area where the accident happened, the railroad tracks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		As a matter of fact, iron is a very good conductor for etheric energies like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you a little story, because we're out of time.
		But you mentioned it.
		Scientists are now believing that material things, wood, glass, crystal, in fact, most material objects carry memories.
		And scientists are actually getting to the point where they can extract these memories, kind of like a video show.
		Kind of like the, if that motel bed could tell a story.
		But I'm very serious about that.
		Material things that soon may be able to relate what has happened around them.
		Here we go.
		And I think we're going down to San Diego, California.
		And we're going to hear from a police officer named Steve.
		Steve, are you there?
unidentified		Yes, sir, I am.
unidentified		On a dark and stormy night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the bad weather, the eerie weather is sweeping up through your state toward us very quickly indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Steve, you are a member of San Diego PD?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
unidentified		12 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		12 years?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long ago did this occur?
unidentified		This actually happened about 12 years ago.
		I was just out of the academy, and I was assigned to a field training officer, and we go through a couple phases of that.
		And I was working in the southeast area of San Diego, which at that time was a pretty high activity area, a lot of crime.
		And the guy I got assigned with had been on almost 30 years and was pretty much the classic grizzled and beaten veteran.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it was kind of like the rookie in the old war.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Basically the new blood and the crusty old guy.
		And we were driving down one of the boulevards down about 3 in the morning.
		And as we approached the intersection in a residential area, we saw a male standing on the corner.
		And as we passed him, he appeared to be bleeding profusely from the head and from the face.
		And just looked like he'd just been stabbed several times.
		And as we passed by, we both looked at each other and said, hey, did you see that?
		And I said, yeah.
		And I was driving at the time.
		I flipped the car around real quick and drove back.
		And we both got out of the car and we couldn't find him.
		He was gone.
		And this happened over a period of probably maybe three to five seconds in the time it took me to put on the brakes and spin the car around and drive back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he was gone that fast.
unidentified		He was gone that fast.
		And we got out of the car and we checked up and down the street and there was no blood trails.
		There was absolutely nothing that ever indicated he was there.
		And we got back in the car and we sat there quietly for a moment and we looked at each other and we asked each other again.
		We said, hey, you know, did you see this guy?
		I mean, he had to have been there, right?
		And we both confirmed and we both saw him and we pretty much decided not to tell anybody after that.
		But yeah, I was pretty convinced that that's what we saw.
		We were thinking maybe it was a recent murder victim or something that may have again been restless or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you write a report up?
unidentified		Oh, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		No, we just talked about it with each other.
		And yeah, I don't think we let it go out of the car at that time.
		It was just from that point on, it really was something that I thought about occasionally and convinced me that certainly there's something out there that we're just not aware of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, do I appreciate the story, Steve?
unidentified		You betcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, my friend.
unidentified		Thank you, sir.
unidentified		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		San Diego police officer.
		Convinced me there's something out there.
		That's right.
		There is something out there.
		Something we don't understand.
		We may never understand, but you can be sure it's out there.
		As I keep saying, there are probably as many stories out there as there are all of you.
		And you don't really get them until you invite them, and you've got to invite them in a certain way.
		You can't invite them and ridicule them.
		You can only invite people to share once they become aware that others have seen some of the same things that they have seen.
		And then the outpouring is hard to stop.
		First time call online, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Mike from Sacramento.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Mike.
unidentified		How are you?
		my story starts.
		I'm a stuntman and I do a lot of traveling around the country and I was in Coral Gable, Florida and there's a big hotel there called the Coral Gable that used to be Al Capone's like hangout.
		And so I went down there to do a film with a couple of buddies of of mine and um as I walked into the hotel, it's this huge palatial uh hotel that uh you know something like this huge mansion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it a movie I would remember?
unidentified		Um Bad Boys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bad Boys.
unidentified		With Wilson?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I do recall that, yes.
unidentified		Yeah, I've been to a lot of films.
		And I come across a lot of ghosts too, but this one was the scariest one that's ever happened to me.
		And so I walked through the door and I was with my friend Richard and I turned to him and I said, this place is haunted, man.
		This place is haunted.
		He said, hugging, I said, did you feel that when he walked through the door?
		It's like a cold wind.
		Now this place is huge.
		It's not little.
		It's massive.
		And so we got to find our room and I was the only stuntman that was on the fifth floor.
		And so I went to bed early because I had an early call that morning.
		And so around 11.30, I hear a knock at my door.
		I get up, look out, and there's nobody there.
		And I'm like, when we got saying a joke coming, right?
		So I lay back down.
		Start to go to sleep, and I start feeling my covers being pulled off me.
		And I sit up and I look down and I thought someone snuck in, right?
		I said, okay, whatever.
		Knock at the door again.
		Go to the door, nobody's there.
		Now I'm getting kind of irritated.
		And I'm hearing like a party going on down the hallway, and it's like noisy.
		I'm trying to get to sleep.
		I got a 4.30 call.
		I'm getting real agitated.
		So I lay back down again, cover myself up.
		The covers start pulling off me again.
		I'm saying, someone short sheet me or something.
		I get up, door knocks again, open up, and there's a guy at the end of the hallway wearing a tuxedo and a red carnation with his hair slicked back.
		And it looked kind of odd because it looked like a period suit, 1920 period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I looked at the guy and I said, hey, bud, you know, I'm trying to get some sleep.
		I've got to go to work tomorrow.
		Could you just knock it off?
		It's not funny.
		And he kind of laughed and turned and walked down the hallway.
		So I shut my door and all night long, party and party.
		I called downstairs and I said, look, you know what?
		I'm going to have to change rooms.
		This floor is way too noisy.
		And she says, oh, you're on the fifth floor.
		I went, yeah.
		And she says, okay.
		So I hang up, go to sleep, and I didn't sleep much that night.
		And I get the next morning.
		I go down to the lobby, and there's a historical society booth right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I said, excuse me, I said, is this place haunted?
		And she started laughing.
		She said, oh, this is one of the most haunted places in North America.
		And I'm going, oh, thanks.
		She said, you weren't standing on the fifth floor, were you?
		I said, yeah.
		She said, well, that was where the morgue used to be during World War II.
		It was converted into a hospital, and that was the morgue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
unidentified		And I went, well, great.
unidentified		So immediately I went to the front desk and I said, I'd like to be moved off the fifth floor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I would have done.
unidentified		And even talking about it gives me the heebie-jeebies.
unidentified		Can I tell you one more quick, quick story?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very quickly, yeah.
unidentified		Okay, I was at Rosemary Clooney's house, and the house used to belong to Russ Columbo.
		And Russ Columbo was a crooner during the 20s.
		He's like kind of a predecessor of Bing Crosby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And so I went into their bathroom.
		I didn't know their house was haunted at the time.
		I went into their bathroom and I started going to the bathroom.
		And some guy behind me goes, hey, buddy, what do you think you're doing?
		And I jumped, literally, out of the bathroom, zipping myself up and running into the front room.
		I'm like, oh, my God, there's a guy in your bathroom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're probably not needing the bathroom.
unidentified		No, no, no.
		My friend, Miguel, who's Rosemary's son, started laughing.
		He goes, oh, that was Russ Colombo.
		He goes, he's always playing tricks in the house.
		He's been dead.
		He got shot in the head here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you, wow.
		Oh, my.
		Shot in the head.
unidentified		By accident, it was one of those fake cannons that, you know, you buy through mail order or whatever.
		And someone had put up Debian's or marble inside it.
		And when it was set off, it ricocheted around the room and hit him in the head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate the call, sir.
		Thank you.
		Take care.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Arn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		Where are you?
unidentified		Houston, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Houston.
		All right.
		You're going to have to yell at us a little.
		You're not too loud.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		Well, my name is Mary.
		I'm originally from Houston, but I lived in Georgia, a small town in Georgia, just outside of Atlanta called Covington, Georgia.
		Very historical little town.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Beautiful area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Old southern mansion-type homes.
unidentified		Oh, beautiful.
		Yeah.
		Well, I lived behind the mansion in a garage apartment overlooking the cemetery on Elm Street.
		And when we moved into the apartment, my brother-in-law was kidding me about it, saying I would never be alone.
		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, I figured, you know, it's because of the cemetery.
		Well, one night, my husband, he worked out of town, and he would only come in on the weekends.
		So I was there by myself all the time, which is kind of spooky anyway.
		But I'm not, you know, prone to let my imagination run wild with me.
		Well, early in 1975, I was at the house, the apartment, all by myself.
		I'm shaking just thinking about it.
		And I had the TV on, and it started acting funny and was picking up Houston, Texas, you know, ads.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Right.
		Okay, the apartment.
		I could not get it to stay warm.
		And I was just restless that night and just wandering back and forth between the bedroom and the living room.
		And at the top of the landing, it was 13 steps down to the front door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nice.
unidentified		And it had a little window.
		Okay, in this little window, I saw like a face.
		Okay?
		And I kept hearing this humming.
		I kept turning off the TV and everything and listening and I heard this humming.
		Now it wasn't like a heater humming, you know, the air or anything like that.
		It was actually very cold.
		So I was nervous.
		I stayed up all night.
		I could not sleep.
		I kept hearing this humming, but it wasn't like a mechanical humming or anything like that or electronic.
		It was like a voice humming.
		Okay, so being I was up all night and everything, I decided the next morning I would take a walk.
		So I walked out there and I was looking at all the old Confederate tombstones, everything, all the unmarked graves, you know, with the cross on it and everything.
		And when I came back over to the apartment, there was one little sectioned area there with wrought arm and everything.
		And it had about six tombstones in it.
		So I walked around it and I'm looking.
		This was so fruity.
		There was a young lady whose tombstone was there.
		She died back in, I believe it was 1873.
		Her name was Mary Robbins.
		She died when she was 16 years old.
		My maiden name was Robbins.
		Oh.
		Needless to say, we moved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got out of there.
unidentified		Yeah, it was just too strange.
unidentified		Too frightening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I must say, graveyards are very strange places.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they really are very strange places.
unidentified		Well, they are quiet neighbors, but that night, what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you can feel them.
		Thank you very much.
		I've got a little story for you.
		My wife and I love Paris, France.
		You know, city of lights.
		We go back there and we'll go back again.
		Paris is a magical town.
		Whatever you may say about the French, and there's a lot you can say about the French, Paris itself is just there is no city like Paris.
		Very romantic town.
		In our last visit to Paris, we decided to travel about, oh, I don't know, 20 miles outside the center of the city and visit the burial place of Jim Morrison.
		It was a very, very, very large cemetery, and we had a very difficult time finding the burial place of Jim Morrison.
		And I finally got sick of looking, and there were tombs everywhere, and they were truly ancient back in 1800s, late 1700s.
		It was creepy.
		I mean, they were all around you.
		You were literally in a field of graves, many of them decrepit, many of them the inscriptions very difficult to read.
		And I felt like a sickle looking.
		And so I said, I'm just going to sit here and wait.
		And Ramona would hike up the hill and look for Jim Morrison's resting place.
		But just sitting there by myself in the middle of all these very old stone graves, I don't want to tell you, because I would be lying, that I could feel a presence because I didn't.
		I felt a kind of universal presence.
		A kind of reverence that I can't quite explain for a place where many lives came to rest.
		So no bow story there, just a very eerie feeling.
		We did incidentally find the resting place of Jim Morrison, ultimately.
		But sitting there by myself with all of these crips, many of them crips around me, very odd feeling.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello.
		Good morning, Art.
		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to kind of yell at us a little.
unidentified		This is Dave from northern New Jersey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		About 40 miles west of New York City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		A lot of people out here love you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And we're tired of the art bell bashing from the local affiliate?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you refer not to the local affiliate, but to Curtis Slieba.
unidentified		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And his little angels, his band of angels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're supposedly coming out here to talk to me.
unidentified		They talked about it for the whole past week and a half.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what I've heard.
unidentified		In any event.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He ruins my NFL Sunday, and there'll be hell to pay.
		I'll tell you that right now.
		Anyway, do you have a story?
unidentified		I've got a wonderful one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		It's a little bit long.
		I'll try to condense it for you.
		I gotten my parents a puppy back in 1980 because my dad had recently lost his hearing.
		And I had read that it was very cathartic to healing to get an animal for a person that went through traumatic loss of a sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It absolutely is.
		It lowers blood pressure.
		Right.
		Scientifically proven again and again.
		Listen, it's going to take obviously a moment for this story to unwind.
		So let me go ahead and do the break and come back and we'll get it full on, all right?
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Okay, stay right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Yes, if Curtis and his little band of so-called angels come out and screw with my NFL Sunday, they're going to be haunting the halls of WABC.
		You hear me, Curtis?
		From the high desert, I'm Mark Bell.
		This is Ghost to Ghost, A.M. Back now, I think, to New Jersey, right?
unidentified		With Dave, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, Dave, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, go right ahead.
unidentified		Okay, I got the puppy from my dad back in 1980.
unidentified		It was a highly evolved little animal, a cairn terrier, kind of like Toto.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are some dogs and cats that are more evolved than others.
unidentified		Yeah, she was definitely a unique animal.
unidentified		And even though I didn't live with my mom and dad, she was my dog, which is kind of weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, not really.
unidentified		It happens.
		In October of 1991, she developed a lump on her back that got bigger and bigger and bigger.
		We took her to the vet.
		Turned out she had an inoperable type of cancer called fibrosis sarcoma with a 1-3% cure rate, which is like a death sentence.
		So I didn't want to accept that.
		And I must have taken her to eight or nine vets throughout the state of New Jersey.
		And my friends thought I was crazy, you know, getting obsessed, being obsessed, whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand.
unidentified		Anyway, to make a long story short, I finally got networked in with a veterinary oncologist, Dan in Rithbank, Central Jersey.
		And he was affiliated with the University of Pennsylvania Veterinary College, a teaching college.
		And he had just heard of a new intrifuron-based drug that had been approved by the Department of Agriculture, which is the government arm for drugs for animals, as the FDA is for people.
		Sure.
		And he gave her the treatments, and she was cancer-free within three months.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The tumor received it.
unidentified		It received it, and it just kind of popped off, and it was like a kind of bowl of jelly on her back, and they operated, and it was gone, and there was no trace.
		Wow.
		And she made the front page of the Esbury Park Press, which is the main paper for Central New Jersey, with readership of about a million too.
		Anyway, she finally got cancer back again in August of 1993.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		So it extended her life about two and a half years, approximately.
		And we had to make the decision to get her euthanized, even though we didn't want to.
		But it was for her best interest.
		And it's tough when you lose something you love.
		And I felt very, very close to her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's very hard.
unidentified		And I prayed, and I prayed.
		I'm standing at my mom and dad's bed 80 miles south of where I live.
		And I asked God if God would please give me a sign to let me know that she was okay.
		Now, I just have to interject one thing in here.
		When she was a younger dog and healthy, because she was a little dog, I used to have this little game with her where I'd pick her up, kind of rock her back and forth and gently like throw her on the bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And she would land with like a boom, you know, passing on the bed, wagging her tail and waiting for me to pick her up to do it again.
		So I get back home the following morning, you know, after we had her euthanized, got back to my apartment, the middle of a beautiful August day, and I'm sitting on my bed.
		And I think this happened during the day purposely so it wouldn't frighten me.
		And if somebody had told me this art, I would have a very tough time believing it if it didn't happen to me.
		Sitting on my bed, all of a sudden, I hear a thump to my left, and I instantly turn.
		And as God is my witness, there are four indentations of like paw prints on my bed, right into the mattress.
		It was not of this earth.
		And at that point, I got a chill, and I'm getting a chill right now.
		But it made me believe that there really is something after in respect to the fact that this happened because I prayed for it, and I felt incredibly lucky that God heard me and God answered me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe every word of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every single word of it.
unidentified		And it was the most incredible thing that ever happened to me in my life, you know, to this date.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really appreciate your telling the story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I thank you, sir.
unidentified		Thank you, Lord.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had a cat.
		You know, I'm a big cat person.
		And I had a cat named Yesu.
		I named him Yesu after the Yesu Radio Company.
		They make ham gear, you know, so I thought it was cute to name a cat Yesu.
		And Yesu was 20 pounds plus.
		Yesu was a big black cat.
		And Yesu was an outside cat.
		I now don't let cats outside, but Yesu was an outside cat.
		He was a macho SOB, I'll tell you.
		There were a couple times I actually got into fights with Yesu, but most times we loved each other.
		And somebody shot Yesu.
		and I didn't realize it But I did realize that my cat was extremely ill, possibly dying.
		And unfortunately, the bullet hole was not visible.
		Somehow, the bullet had gone in and exited and gone right through Yesu's body and wasn't visible.
		You know, the fur, I guess the blood clotted, I don't know.
		The fur covered it.
		I had no idea this cat had been shot.
		Yesu, to make a long story short, died in my arms.
		Something I will never forget, just died in my arms.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		I am in beautiful downtown Monticello, Minnesota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Just north of the Twin Cities.
unidentified		I'm listening to you on KSTP AM 1500.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I suspect KSTP goes all the way to the North Pole.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm pretty sure it does.
		Yes.
		I am with a partner do a lot of work with ghosts in the Twin City area and we've had several I would say semi-professionally because it's not confident enough to be professional by any means.
		You know, it's an occasional once every month or two you get somebody who says, help me.
		But we did have a very interesting encounter about a year and a half ago.
		It was my brush with fame.
		And the most famous person I can say that I've had a long conversation with would in fact be the late, great John Dillinger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon.
unidentified		That wouldn't, that in fact could be it.
unidentified		John Dillinger, public enemy number one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You spoke with John Dillinger.
unidentified		Or an entity claiming to be such.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Please explain the circumstances.
unidentified		Okay.
		Let me go back a little bit.
		And as with the work I do, I don't like to use the term seance.
		It's a very superstitious term, has a lot of negative connotations.
		I prefer the more enlightened term of circular gathering for communication with the mortality impaired.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, let me get that straight.
		Circular gathering for communication with the mortality impaired?
unidentified		That is it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got to remember that one, all right.
unidentified		But we decided about a year and a half ago to a group of us have a strong interest in 1930 gangsters.
		And so we decided to have one of these circular gatherings to uh talk to Mr. Dillinger on the anniversary of his death, which was uh July 22nd.
		Uh-huh.
		And so the first half of the evening, we uh invite uh whatever entities want to come to us.
		It's kind of a warm-up.
		And uh we spoke to several different entities during that time period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aren't you afraid to do that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aren't you afraid to open a door, a door which you have no idea?
unidentified		We take precautions.
		We do a lot of work to protect ourselves.
		We call on higher powers and whatever your faith system, be that God, angels, we do call on their assistance.
		We're not going to be foolish about this.
		I have a healthy respect for these things.
		And being interested in documenting this occurrence, we did have tape recorders on hand.
		And sometimes you can get something known as electronic voice phenomena, which is basically recordings of ghost voices.
		You bet.
		And that was the ultimate hope.
		But at least just to kind of document what happened that night, the first half of the evening we spoke to several different entities.
		And we did have the recorder in operation.
		And we played back to that first half of the tape.
		And we don't get any EVP, but we do get at least the room noise and the human side of the conversation.
		Take a short break.
		And after that short break, we call on Mr. Dillinger.
		And about 5-10 seconds after we begin our work, something enters the room claiming to be John Dillinger.
		We speak to him for about a half hour, 45 minutes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, when you say you speak to him, via Ouija board?
unidentified		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean allowed?
unidentified		Allowed, and we get basically psychic impressions back.
		Ouija boards, I kind of have a very strong feeling about Ouija boards.
		So do I. They can be a useful tool, but it's a little bit spiritually like opening your door and inviting the first person that passes by on the street to come in.
		You just don't know what you're going to get.
		So we were speaking to this entity, and it answered a lot of questions.
		We know a little bit about Dillinger and had some specific questions like the fate of some of his gang members.
		And at the end of the evening, we played that tape back.
		And about five to ten seconds after we begin the work, the tape goes completely blank.
		Not even the human side of the conversation.
		Yet most of the people at the table could see that the tape recorder was in operation.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm curious, with all the work you did, you must have some recordings, some interesting recordings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you kept them?
unidentified		You know, I've kept them.
		I have yet to come up for any of our works where we contact anything or cleanse a house.
		We have yet to come up with any decent EVPs, although I have not had really good recording equipment there.
		It's usually pocket recorders.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was it that Dillinger said to you?
unidentified		Well, we had quite a few questions for him.
		One of the more interesting things was one of his gang members, Red Hamilton, was supposedly shot in the back in a chase from Hastings, Minnesota to St. Paul, Minnesota and died several days thereafter.
		There had been rumors that Red Hamilton indeed did not get killed and made it out alive and hit undercover, much like the rumors about Butch Cassidy.
		But we asked John Dillinger about that and he said, well, yeah, of course Red got it out.
		He was fine.
		He lived to a ripe old age.
		What was interesting about that is three or four people at the table did get the distinct impression that at that point we were definitely being lied to.
		And some of them even went so far as to suspect that maybe John Dillinger killed the guys to speed the death along so he could run further faster.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what would you expect from John Dillinger?
unidentified		Yeah, well, I mean, he's got a reputation as a cold-blooded guy, and then there were some apologists recently saying, well, no, he wasn't so bad, but maybe he was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe he was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure appreciate the story, sir.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and take care.
		Hello, Art.
		Having just heard the story from your fellow townsperson, or Purumbian, if you will, I thought I would multiply the impact of that story.
		About 15 years ago, while sleeping in my upstate New York, very old residence, I was aroused by the growling of my husky shepherd, but I could not awaken.
		I was paralyzed, unable to move or speak.
		The absolute sensation of a person kneeling on my chest and restraining me delivered one of the most solid moments of panic I've ever known.
		I was, I assure you, totally conscious, but powerless to move my limbs or cry out as the weight of this apparition, apparition rather, seemed to increase.
		The entire time, my dog kept barking and growling.
		I concentrated on the sound of his voice until I was suddenly able to sit up and force the intruder off my chest.
		Within a heartbeat, to my utter amazement, the curtains of my room were shoved aside.
		Even though the window was closed, my dog confirmed what I had seen by leaping to the window and continuing the barking and growling.
		It took a full 30 minutes before my dog would come and sit with me on the bed.
		And there was no more sleep to be had that night, and I stayed with friends for a few nights following that incident.
		Yeah, I really love hearing stories about Perump.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yes, sir.
		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Some Friday stories tonight.
		And by the way, my name is Dan.
		I'm calling from Woodland Hills, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I've got another terrifying story to share with you.
		Yeah, it actually happened to my father back in 1961 down in Dana Point, California.
		And like I said, it is rather terrifying.
		He was coming home late one night from work and the house he was living in had partially burned down.
		So he was back in an add-on home in the back.
		He was getting ready for bed, and like I said, this is 61, and there were some of those rather kind of decal lamps hanging up in there that had the strings that you pull to turn them on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		You might remember.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, I do.
unidentified		But anyway, he had just gotten ready for bed and turned the lights off.
		And the lights were controlled from a switch on the wall.
		And so he didn't turn them off from the pole.
		He just did them from the switch.
		Well, he laid down to go to bed, and the room was completely sealed, and the mattress he was laying on was rather low to the floor.
		It didn't have one of those box springs.
		Well, he laid there just for about a minute or two, trying to get to sleep.
		And as I said, the whole room was sealed shut.
		He started to notice and actually hear these strings for the lights jingling, just jing, jing, jing, jing.
		And he started getting, you know, wondering what that was.
		And he was just looking straight up at the raptors on the ceiling.
		And at that moment, he, it still frightens me today to talk about this.
		He heard a, actually just didn't hear, but he felt a moan and a breath blow into his ear like a, like this.
		And it's the kind of stuff that you hear about.
		But my father's a very serious man, and he's never had experiences like this before.
		It really affected me.
		So he was laying there, and of course, as I've been hearing this evening, he was just completely petrified.
		But he heard the thing still rattling as if there was some kind of motion in the room.
		And this thing did it again, moaned into his ear louder and longer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you go into a kind of a state of shock is what happens.
unidentified		I guess it is.
		I guess the system goes into a complete shock.
		But he definitely had a sense.
		This happened a third time.
		And this happened over probably for him, but he said it was just a couple of minutes.
		He definitely had a sense beyond the shock that he had to move.
		He was in utter danger for whatever reason.
		I don't know if it was possession or what.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fight or flight.
unidentified		Yeah, I guess so.
		Anyway, so he was there, but like I said, he was overcome even over that with a sense to get out of there.
		So he summoned every ounce of courage he had, and he jumped out of bed, ran across the room, flipped the light switch on, looked back, and of course there was nothing there.
		But the things were still moving up there.
		Well, needless to say, he got out of there and never slept in that room again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't.
unidentified		But it's affected me so much that I actually cover my ears when I sleep at night because of that story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For me, it's closets.
		I never go to sleep with an open closet.
		There are things in closets.
		You always close closets before you go to sleep if you're smart.
		If you don't want things coming out of them, you close them.
		Amen.
		Thank you for the call, sir.
		All right, we're going to break here at the top of the hour.
		There is more.
		If you can handle it.
		If your heart can handle it.
		There is more.
		This is what we call Ghost to Ghost A.M., and I do it when I get in the mood.
		And this is one of those nights.
		It's dark, it's kind of windy, and a little bit of rain in the air in the desert.
		Kind of eerie.
		It's a good night for this.
		I'm Art Bell and this is Ghost to Ghost AM.
		Here we go again.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you and where are you?
unidentified		I'm fine.
		I'm Derek.
		I'm calling from Metauri, Louisiana, which is right next door to New Orleans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which is also the home of Anne Rice.
unidentified		Yeah, that's right.
		And she gets lots of attention around here.
		We've got a nice spooky night down here, too.
		It's extremely foggy right now, so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, you live in an area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fog or not.
unidentified		That's right.
		That's right.
		It feels like you're swimming no matter what time.
		But anyway, about 10 years ago, around 1988, me and my girlfriend and my girlfriend's friend, ex-girlfriend, these are all ex, but me and my ex-girlfriend, my ex-girlfriend's friend, my ex-girlfriend's younger sister, and my ex-girlfriend's younger sister's friend were all together one night.
		It was a Friday night, and we were looking for something to do.
		So we said, hey, let's try a Ouija board.
		What's that?
		And I really wish that I would have known what your earlier caller said about you never know what you're going to get into, because we really didn't.
		And I, being scientifically minded, decided to do it in a way that it couldn't be faked.
		I just wanted to make sure that all the bases were covered and that whatever happened would really happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have.
		I felt a lot of respect for Ouija boards.
		Thank you.
unidentified		Okay, good.
		We turned off all the lights.
		We lit a few candles.
		And I had my girlfriend and her friend sit across From each other with a Ouija board on their lap.
		And the other two youngsters were just on the side watching.
		This was great Friday night entertainment.
		So I just started asking questions.
		And I said, you know, the two girls, my girlfriend and her friend, had their hands on a little pointer thing.
		And I said, I want you to look eye to eye the whole time because I wanted to make sure that they wouldn't be able to see what was going on on the board.
		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		So I was asking questions, very general questions like, you know, is there anybody out there?
		You know, stuff like that.
		And, you know, they'd move the thing around and it go close to yes, stuff like that.
		And I was like, okay, well, let's narrow it down a little bit more.
		Are you a boy or a girl?
		And it'd fool around the board.
		And eventually, we ended up getting some sort of man.
		I couldn't tell you the history of this man, but it started to feel a little bit eerie.
		It started to feel like the board was not joking around.
		It was starting to talk to us.
		So needless to say, we were all feeling a little tense to begin with.
		And I started asking questions like, are you a good man?
		And I go to no, of course.
		I say, you're a bad man.
		And then I go to yes.
		And this whole time, the people who are moving the board are not looking at the board.
		And I was asking the questions, and I was reading the answers.
		So the younger girls are starting to freak.
		I'm starting to freak.
		So I say, well, it's about time that I ask a question that's going to call his bluff.
		It's going to prove that this really isn't happening.
		So I said, well, how many people are in this room right now?
		And he went to six.
		And at first I was like, oh, you see, I told you.
		But then it hit me that there were five of us in the room, and he was the extra one.
		And it was six, and we, I mean, we just freaked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course.
unidentified		The young girls bust out into tears.
unidentified		We felt a presence in the room that scared the living.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That side of us.
unidentified		It was unbelievable.
unidentified		So I just.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All I can tell you is my experience with a Ouija board was similar, and I won't get within a thousand miles of one.
unidentified		I'll never touch one again.
		You know, and the weekend after that, we were like, you know, y'all want to do it, y'all want to do it.
		But no thanks.
		It really is.
		To this day, 10 years later, I'm still remembering it, and I still tell this story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I believe every word of it.
		Thank you very much for it.
		Look, I won't even talk about it, but I'll tell you that you be wary.
		Don't think it's fun.
		Ouija boards are invitations to...
		It's like...
		You have no idea who's going to come through the door.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		How you doing this morning, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm okay, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm getting a little freaked out at my own program, like usual, but...
unidentified		It just goes with the territory.
		Yeah.
		Now, this is from an earlier caller.
		He was on the Enterprise back in 1982.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		I was on the Enterprise in 1984.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		I can verify what he was saying.
unidentified		I was in a different department, but I can definitely verify what he was saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Mine is from the same timeframe, 84 to 88.
		I was in a squadron, one of the Six Spring squadrons that was on board.
		We were to do some temporary duty on the USS Independence.
		And so a few of us went over there with it.
		I'm one of the cooks out of that squadron.
		So I was like, yeah, I'll go with the guys, no problem.
		And we were told that, you know, some strange things happened on board that ship.
		And I'm going, okay, yeah, whatever.
		Well, I'm in one of the voids.
		It's a room that's just used for whatever.
		And this one just so happened to be for a lot of our dry storage for the galleys.
		And me and this one guy from that normal ship's company, we're sitting there, we're talking, we're going over inventory.
		And he goes, hey, you want to hear something really freaky?
		I said, okay.
		I said, first of all, you've got to turn down the radio.
		Well, there was no stereo in the room.
		Okay, there's a bunch of music.
		He goes, well, that's part of it.
		I said, okay.
		And he goes, you just stick around here for a little while.
		You're going to see something really strange.
		Now, you know, there's boxes all over the place with cans of dried goods or fruits and stuff like that.
		You're talking around 25 to 30 pounds each box.
		And all of a sudden, at the complete other end, the boxes are just starting to fly like something is just going right through them.
		And I'm the one that's facing it, and the guy's looking the other way.
		We're standing right there by the hatch.
		And he just sees this look on my face, and he grabs me, and he pulls me right through the hatch, and he slams it shut, and it sounds like something just ran right into the hatch.
		I'm going, what in the hell was that?
		He goes, oh, that's just the beginning.
		You don't know about this ship.
		And there was nobody else in there but us two.
		And we had already looked everywhere.
		We were going through making our inventory.
		He goes, come on, I'm going to show you something else.
		So we go into this other void that's completely empty.
		Except over on one of the bulkheads, one of the walls, there was a former hatch there, but it was all bolted down.
		I'm going, okay, so this is nothing new.
		I used to play poker in some of these rooms and stuff like that on the Enterprise.
		And he goes, oh no, just sit here and listen.
		So we're sitting there just shooting the breeze for a little bit, and all of a sudden I hear a whole bunch of banging and a whole bunch of yelling.
		And it was kind of muffled.
		It sounded like it was coming from the other side of the wall.
		And I'm going, okay, so what's going on?
		And it was getting louder and louder and louder.
		And the more that you listen to it, the more you can hear, help us, help us, don't let us drown.
		Just, you know, help us, all this.
		I'm going, what is going on here?
		And he goes, come on, we're going to go explain it to you.
		So I'm sitting there with a whole bunch of these other guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're telling me this is a bolted hatch?
unidentified		Bolted hatch.
		What had happened was a torpedo hit, perfect, right into one of the old tanks where they used to hold the jet fuel.
		And there were a whole bunch of guys down there at that time scrubbing it out because it had been contaminated with something.
		They had to completely empty it, scrub it down, dry it, and then refill it with jet fuel.
		No problem.
		Well, these guys were down in it, I believe it was during World War II, a direct torpedo hit right into that tank.
		It was already empty, so it didn't completely blow up.
		But all these guys drowned in there.
		They had to close all the hatches that led to it, so it was called watertight integrity.
		This way, the water wouldn't spread out throughout the ship.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		But all these men drowned in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's what you were hearing?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		That's what we were hearing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if I could stay on board a ship like that.
unidentified		Well, there's a lot more.
		Going up there.
		Now, this is all on the independence.
		Go up there to the bridge to go visit a couple friends of mine that I knew from high school that I knew were there.
		And I was telling them about these two experiences, and they said, oh, that's nothing.
		Oh, there's more.
		And just as I said that, all the instruments were blanking.
		The standard compass that we have, a humongous compass, at least three feet in circumference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Was just spinning.
unidentified		It was just going like it was hooked up to a mechanism to where it was just going to start spinning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, electromagnetic disturbance around things like this, fairly common.
unidentified		Yeah, it was just, I mean, to this day I will never forget it, especially hearing the screams that were on the other side of that bulkhead where those guys were that had drowned.
unidentified		And then seeing all those boxes fly around, 25 to 30 pounds each.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would not handle that well.
		I appreciate the call.
		Sir?
		Appreciate the story.
		Thank you.
		I wouldn't handle that one well at all.
		Not well at all.
		You know, the implication of that is, and I'm still trying to figure this out as we handle these kinds of stories.
		What is that?
		Certainly it cannot be the lingering souls of men who died such a horrible death.
		Kenneth, reliving that again and again.
		With some kind of hellish consciousness.
		No, I wouldn't handle that well at all.
		Good morning.
		You're on the air on ghost to ghost AM, if you will.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
		My name's Denise.
		I'm calling from Sacramento, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Denise.
unidentified		And the story I have for you, by the way, I've really been enjoying ghost stories.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, enjoying is a word, I guess.
		I'm not sure if it's a proper one for some of what we've heard, but...
		Yeah.
unidentified		Perhaps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway.
unidentified		So anyway, my story is, my mother, she drove down to Lodi, California yesterday.
unidentified		Both of my grandparents are buried there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And she went down to see her uncle, my grandmother's brother, with her brother, my uncle.
		And they usually stop by the cemetery to see my grandparents.
		And she is not a believer in ghosts.
		But I think, I don't know, she might have changed her mind after yesterday.
		She went by the grave site, and she usually goes by to do a little visiting.
		And she was knelt down, she was saying some prayers, she says to herself.
		She says, all of a sudden, there was this film in front of her.
		It was just like a film.
		And she said, it wasn't there that long.
		And she said, then Teresa, it was just gone.
		And she said, it was strange.
		And I said, you don't believe in ghosts, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		he's not a believer but i am and there are a couple other odd things that have happened with that particular war I don't know exactly what ghosts are.
unidentified		Oh, I don't either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But they are something.
		And I'll tell you what I want to believe.
		Thank you.
		I want to believe that they are the echo, the remnant of what once was, not the remaining consciousness of what is.
		Because to believe that, as that man said in that terrifying story, that those men eternally remain, reliving that horrible death again and again, that drowning, that's too much.
		I don't want to believe that.
		I'd much rather believe that like an endless tape loop, it's some sort of a weak echo of what was.
		But I can't be sure of that.
		Can you?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning to you.
unidentified		And how are you doing this eerie evening?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was better earlier.
unidentified		I understand that.
unidentified		Well, like one of the previous callers, I am calling from New Orleans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New Orleans again?
unidentified		Like Metary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Now, for most listeners, if you've never been to New Orleans, it is a very eerie place to come to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really is.
unidentified		Yeah, especially at night.
unidentified		They have vampire tours now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Vampire tours?
unidentified		In the French Quarter, you can take a vampire tour.
unidentified		You can take haunted mansion tours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I absolutely am coming to New Orleans.
unidentified		It's amazing the things that you'll find out here.
		Especially one of the most amazing things to visit, if you are not a native of New Orleans, one of the things that you want to come to if you are a tourist is the cemeteries.
		The cemeteries are unlike any other cemetery in the world.
		Okay, because all the cemeteries are above ground.
		Okay, so they're, I mean, they're just, they're tremendous and just some of the sculptures and statues in these cemeteries are just it kind of sounds like the one I was in in Paris.
		Oh yeah, oh yeah.
		But what I'm calling to to tell you tonight is there's suburbs of New Orleans called New Orleans East.
		And I do live in these suburbs.
		There's one particular suburb called Village de Les.
		Now as story goes from way back when Village de Les used to be kind of like an Indian, you can't really call it reservation, but the Natchez Indians used to settle on this land.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was a lot of swamp land.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Now how the story went was when an Indian died, or when a Native American died, of the Natchez tribe, they would take the Native American and put him in an old oak tree.
		When that oak tree fell, whether naturally, you know, or if lightning struck it or something, the soul of that Indian would go up, you know, to wherever.
		Now, here's how the story goes.
		There are a lot of haunted houses or houses that are haunted or people hear things or whatever in this subdivision, especially on one particular block where I have a good friend of mine who lives there, Teddy.
		Now, we've heard things go on in that house.
		Sometimes real late at night, you'd hear like a faint jingle of bells, something like that.
		Or you'd hear beating on walls, or you just feel gusts, small gusts of wind from nowhere.
		Eerie things.
		So we had a friend of ours who, she was a Native American also, and she had an uncle who practiced and always went to the tribe things.
		I can't remember what you call them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tribal gatherings.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
unidentified		In Mississippi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, we're at the bottom of the hour.
		I've got a break here, so stay right where you are, will you?
		Now, I've never heard that before.
		It reminds me of a book I read.
		They would actually bury their dead in a tree and wait for the tree to fall for the soul to ascend.
		I'm Mark Bell.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast, A.M. Evil spirits.
		Apparently, Andrea's uncle was explaining to us that they're evil and that they're upset because they're stuck in, like he said, limbo.
		They're not going anywhere.
		They're staying right there and they cannot get out.
		But the day that he burned that sage, there has never been another incident occurring that house.
		Well, he said that we shook something up in there when we played around with something bad.
		He said that what happened was we were getting in over our head, in other words.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very easy to do.
unidentified		He said we were playing with fire too close to gasoline.
		And he said that that really, really upset the evil spirits that they have in that house.
		And it kind of peed off the good spirit.
		Because the good spirit was trying to keep the evil away from us.
		But Andrea's uncle came in, and he was the one that explained to us about the Natchez Indian burying their dead in the trees.
		And when that tree would fall, you know, from age or whatever, then the spirit of that tree would be released.
		And he explained to us that those were a couple bodies, and there are a couple other spirits and other houses out there in Vaj and the Last that are haunted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As I said earlier, even at the best of times, sir, in your city, it's a haunted kind of place.
		Now, I think that the book that I read that kind of parallels what he just said, actually it comes pretty close to it, is called Speaker for the Dead.
		You ever get a chance to read Speaker for the Dead?
		Definitely do it.
		In fact, I've been meaning to interview the author of that book for some time, and I had it lined up, and I don't know what I did.
		It must have slipped by me.
		I'll get on that again.
		Good morning.
		You're on the air in what we call Ghost to Ghost AM.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		Hi, this is Kelly in Soda Springs, Idaho.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kelly, we have a big hum on the phone here.
unidentified		Oh, okay, that's the other line.
unidentified		Can you hold on one second?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		You have to hang on, Santa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got two on the line here.
unidentified		I thought that was my husband on the other line.
unidentified		We have a couple stories for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but we still have hum.
unidentified		Steel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Still have a lot of hum, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I can hear you, but it's like something's...
unidentified		Maybe that's what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see if that's it.
		Could it be your computer?
		It is now safe to turn your computer off.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, it's time there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, go ahead and tell us one.
unidentified		Is that better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but go ahead and give us your best one.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, about three years ago, my daughter was two, and every night at 12.26, every night she'd wake up screaming.
		12.
		Not screaming scared and not screaming upset, but screaming pissed.
		You know, like if you went in and you shook somebody awake and then you hid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		She was mad.
		You could tell she was just mad.
		So I'd run upstairs and calm her down, put her back to sleep.
		I'd go back down to bed.
		Well, one particular night, it was hot.
		It was just dripping sweat.
		I got to bed.
		I told my husband, if that hooker wakes her up tonight, I'm going to be so mad.
		He's going to get it.
		You know, I don't know what, how do you get a ghost, right?
		So he woke her up.
		And at 12.26, I go upstairs I'm trying to calm her down I'm ripping this ghost a new butt and I finally get her calmed down I go back downstairs I'm even more dripping wet because of the heat from upstairs and I'm tossing and turning trying to go back to sleep and all of a sudden I feel this like cool fingers go across my neck and I was turning around to you know ask my husband what he did that for and he's rolled over on his other side sound asleep and
		And I'm thinking, oh, wow, you know, that was kind of weird.
		And it never did scare me.
		Within 20 seconds, the temperature in the room dropped a good 15, 20 degrees to cool it off.
		And, you know, I got the feeling that he was apologizing to me in his own way, appeasing me.
		I don't know.
		Never woke her up again after that night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, in other words, your little tantrum.
unidentified		Yeah, I did throw a tantrum.
		Yes, I did.
		And it worked.
		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What part of the country are you in?
unidentified		We live in a very small town in Idaho called Soda Spring.
		It's like 1,300 people.
		Or 1,100 people, I'm sorry.
		A lot of old, old, old buildings.
		It's an old mining community, a lot of deaths in the mines.
		This will happen to be a little boy who turned out to be my daughter's best friend for a while.
		And they'd walk along holding hands and talking.
		She'd hold his hand.
		They'd walk along.
		And all of a sudden, a chair that'd be in the middle of the room would tip over like he walked right past, you know, right over top of it.
		And she was, with her hand, was a good foot away.
		I mean, it's just weird.
		All kinds of fun stuff like that.
		But never a bad thing.
		We never felt threatened in any way.
		You know, he pulled tricks on us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is a remarkable story.
		I mean, thank you very much to take off at a ghost.
		To get angry at a spirit.
		And to literally read it the riot act.
		First of all, I don't know how you'd have the guts to do that.
		But I suppose eventually waking up enough times to a screaming child, you might do it.
		And then to feel a cold hand on the back of your neck and feel a temperature drop of 20 degrees in a room.
		And then to have that entity go away.
unidentified		You've got to wonder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some of it seems so conscious.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm from Redding, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Redding, California.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've been having some earthquakes up there, haven't you?
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Yes, I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's been really rocking and rolling.
		As a matter of fact, it's warming up there.
		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, there was two yesterday and then one today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what's up?
unidentified		I have a story from I'm 15 years old now and it was in eighth grade.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Yes.
		And eighth grade, junior high, my junior high has a theater.
		A big, an old, old theater.
		The junior high is dated back from 1911.
		Mm-hmm.
		And I was doing a play there.
		It was my first play.
		I had the lead role.
		And all throughout the play, well, there has been plays before about speculation that the theater is haunted because all the time the house lights, brand new house lights, would go on and off and on and off and on and off.
		The whole audience saw it.
		And the stage hands backstage could see the light switch going up and down and up and down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your name's not Carrie, is it?
unidentified		No, it's not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		It's Heidi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Heidi.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Heidi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's just as good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Heidi.
unidentified		And then there'd be pounding on the top part when nobody would be up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You could actually, going back, you could actually see the switch going on and off?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		My friend was the stage manager and she was there doing the house lights and she wasn't even touching them, the light switch was going on and off and on and off by itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Enough for me right there.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
		It was pretty scary.
		And the pounding on the top part, the catwalk on the top above the house lights was pounding like footsteps running across.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And then the side entrances going to backstage, the curtains were flapping back and forth like somebody was pushing them around.
unidentified		And while all this was happening, I was the lead of the play, so I was getting into costumes and stuff and I knew something wrong was going on, but nobody was really, I really wasn't following, but I was really nervous because it was the first play that I was ever doing and I was the lead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And I could like, I don't know if I could actually physically hear it, but I heard, I felt like a girl's whisper in my head saying, you're going to do all right.
		I'm looking over you.
		You're going to do great.
		Just go on there and you're going to do fine because I'm watching over you.
		I could hear this person whispering in my head.
		I was, I could just feel a presence of a ghost or something around me.
		And I, I, it was kind of, it was actually kind of neat.
		I wasn't that scared.
		But the first, the house lights going on and off, that was, it was just kind of like this child having fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who do you think was talking to you, Heidi?
unidentified		Nobody was around me.
unidentified		Um, like I was, I was behind the curtain by myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I know you were hearing this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who do you think it was?
unidentified		Um, well, I, I have heard stories that, but they would have been just stories.
		You know, I thought they were just stories of a girl, um, a long time ago, like when the, the school just opened performing a play and she, she, uh, I, I don't know if she died in the theater or she died, but she really liked the, the theater itself.
		So she might've kept that as a home or something.
		And I think it might've been her, you know, telling me that I was going to do all right.
		Right.
		You know, I don't want...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		want to believe that somebody like that would remain even in a theater even in a place they loved eternally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Heidi, doesn't that seem to you like like a hell sort of?
unidentified		Yes.
		Mm-hmm.
		It does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One imagines something.
unidentified		It seems like, it feels like a restless kind of spirit, like she doesn't want to stay there.
unidentified		That's why she makes so much misch mischief and everything, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Precisely.
unidentified		Clicking on the house lights and pounding up in the stairs ways and messing with the curtains and everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Heidi, how did the play go?
unidentified		It went fine after that.
		Besides, everybody was just they all thought that it was a trick, which it was all right.
		We didn't want the audience to get scared, so we just let them think that it was a trick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they never really knew.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They thought that was part of the act?
unidentified		No, I think they just thought it was part of the act, yeah.
		Afterwards, like the backstage people told their families and stuff.
		But yeah, it was we all felt we all felt it, you know, and we were pretty serious about our craft, so we wouldn't really do anything like that because it's pretty unprofessional anyway.
		Uh-huh.
		So it was something else.
		It was pretty interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really appreciate your story, Heidi.
unidentified		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
		Good night, and I'm glad you did well on the play.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Okay, well, I had a story that happened about 24 years ago.
		I was living in a rooming house, and the lady that owned the house was 89 years old.
		She lived in the front part of the house.
		It was separated from the other sleeping rooms.
		And I had got out of the military and kind of a rogue and stuff.
		Anyway, I had stayed there for, oh, maybe six months or so.
		And she asked me if I wanted to come in and play a game.
		And I thought, well, she's going to play checkers or something like that or something along that line.
		I got in there and the room was dimly lit.
		And she sat down at the table and she pulled out this Ouija board.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That kind of a game, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, and she started to told me how to do it.
		We proceeded with it.
		And it started spelling out old-fashioned names, first names, like Horace and Elmer.
		She had been married four or five times before, and she told me these were the names of her husbands.
		And the more we played it, it probably went on 45 minutes to an hour, the faster that would go across the board, that little triangle-shaped thing would go across there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		At the point, it was almost flying off there.
		At one point, she had some tea there.
		She asked me to go to the kitchen and get a cup.
		And I went to the kitchen and opened the door.
		And this is no lie.
		She had hundreds of cockroaches crawling all through her cabinets.
		And she had the honey in jars where she said she was catching them.
		And so I had enough of that.
		I didn't want any tea or anything else.
		I went back, and we continued to play that game.
		But it turned into, I just felt real eerie, like the hair was standing on the back of my neck.
		And it got so out of control that that triangle little deal that we were working would just fly off the table just about.
		So that was pretty exterior.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My friend, that would be it for me.
		I've got to go.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		You're on the air coast to coast AM, or is it ghost-to-ghost AM?
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		This is Joe.
unidentified		I'm calling from Jamestown, New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Joe.
unidentified		Hi.
		I'm just so glad you called me.
		I can't believe it.
		Well, I love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm selectively doing that, looking at Victoria's, and if they seem interesting, I'm calling a few people.
unidentified		Well, this is so great.
		First of all, I guess to start the whole thing, I've been living in a, it's my dream home, and it was a home in Frewsburg, New York, which probably no one's ever heard of before because it's kind of like a Mayberry, and a very small town, but beautiful community.
		But it's been known to be haunted because it was built in 1840, and it's a part of the Underground Railroad.
		So it has the tunnels and the false fireplace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There may be some people who don't know what the Underground Railroad is.
unidentified		The Underground Railroad was all of the connections that were made from the South all the way up to Canada to help the slave escape from the South.
		So this was a home that was built while it was being built.
		He was an abolitionist and he actually built his home to provide for this so that he would help keep the slave in a safe area, even though they wouldn't just hide in these little cubby holes or anything for a long period of time.
		Only if the sheriffs would come would they need to hide.
		But they had it all protected so that they could help, when it was safe, then they would move on to another station closer and closer, like up through the route, came through Silver Creek, Buffalo, that kind of area, and then up into Canada until they were free from the country.
		And it's written up in all the books and everything because it's one of the few places left standing, which makes us kind of nervous because it is old and it's huge and it has all its little hiding places and beautiful wood.
		And the reason I chose it was because I love antiques.
		And I knew it was haunted from the stories that I'd heard in this small town.
		You know, people talk.
		But it didn't bother me because that kind of thing doesn't bother me.
		But we had, right away, we were doing our, as we moved in with my one-year-old, we were doing all the painting and refurbishing the home and doing things that we needed to do to fix it up.
		But right away, we could tell that there was an entity there.
		I had, the first thing that happened was when my little girl who has cerebral palsy, she couldn't even turn or crawl, you know, move to crawl, but she was eyeing a ball that was like six feet away from her.
		And she wanted it so badly.
		And we were busy painting, and I took a little break, and I sat down in a chair, and I had one eye on her, and one eye on still my work I was going to do, but instead I see this little red and white ball just not roll to her, but move to her about six feet, just slide across the floor to her, so now she can see it and she's playing with it.
		And I'm standing up thinking, I can't believe what I'm looking at.
		You know, this just doesn't seem, I know what I want to describe to people, but I don't know how to.
		And that was just the beginning.
		And in that house, we knew that the entities were friendly, but we just knew that they were doing a lot of things in the house, but mostly friendly things.
		Nothing to scare us.
		Just to let them, they wanted to let us know that they were there.
		We have like those latches, the antique iron latches that are on the inside of these older homes.
		You have to have the thumb on one side, you know, to lift up the latch on the other side.
		And after there was just some knocking noise to let me know that there was, it was kind of like a warning that there was a presence in the room.
		And then the next thing I know, I'm standing right at this door, it's an inner door.
		No wind, no scientific reason why they should move, and all of a sudden just the inner latch is going up and down.
		And so I thought, well, you're supposed to talk to these spirits and see if they might, you know, do something else to communicate with you.
		But as soon as I did, then it stopped.
		And there have been, oh, like you can hear someone speaking downstairs.
		Like if you're upstairs, you can hear voices.
		And you know how you, if it's in a different room, you don't really know exactly what they're saying.
		But you know someone is speaking.
		You can't really actually hear the words that they're.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This sounds exactly like a story a man sent me, a really eerie story not long ago.
		As a matter of fact, let me tell you that story.
		And thank you.
		This man is technically knowledgeable.
		He's a ham as I am, and I'm sorry that I didn't save the story.
		But roughly, here it is.
		He and his wife slept in one room, his children in another.
		They were small children.
		And the children would be awakened in the middle of the night with voices.
		Indistinct, busy voices.
		you could sort of just barely hear what they were you know kind of like But the voices were so loud in the children's room that it would wake the children up at night.
		And the man finally went into his children's room, and he had to stand on a chair in order to hear the voices.
		But he heard them not clearly, but with enough volume to be bothered.
		And he had to be in one particular spot.
		Now, this man monitored these voices for months.
		And here's the really eerie part.
		You had to be in one particular place to hear the voices.
		And the voices would move about an inch or two every day.
		Every day.
		And he monitored these voices until finally they exited the house spot where you could hear them and literally moved across his backyard until finally he had to literally stand on the brick, you know, the block wall by the back of his house to hear the voices.
		And there they were, chattering away.
		Months later, they had moved, what, 50 or 60 or 70 feet, and they just kept going.
		Now, you tell me what he was hearing.
		He ran through just about everything.
		Could it be RF from a radio station nearby?
		No.
		He ruled that out.
		What could it possibly be?
		Some sort of rip, some sort of tear in the continuum?
		Something from time past?
		Almost probably that.
		And as far as he knows, they just kept moving.
		This little spot where the voices could be heard just kept moving.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Hello.
		How are you?
		A little freaked out, but okay.
		This is Marie, and I'm calling from Crowhart, Wyoming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		And we're on the Wind River Indian Reservation, and they call it the Land of the Little People.
		But my story doesn't start here anyway.
		We lived in Oregon, and this happened to me about 22 years ago.
		This is 1976.
		My daughter had a friend, and she would come over and stay at our house, and my daughter would go down there and stay with her.
		And one night, her friend and her brother were driving down this little road.
		We lived out in the country, about 15 miles out of southerland, Oregon.
		And her brother and her were going down our country road.
		And I'm not really sure what happened to him, but they wound up going off an embankment about 100 feet down into the ravine.
		And he helped her crawl up the side of the hill.
		And they were hurt pretty bad, but he got her up to the side of the hill.
		And just as she got up to the top of the road, he fell back down.
		Well, she made it about a quarter of a mile to a half of a mile to where the fire department was, and she got some help.
		Well, needless to say, he didn't make it, and she wound up in the hospital.
		And I worked nights, I worked at the Denny's restaurant there, and I worked graveyard shift, or actually more than graveyard, but until midnight, and I'd have to come home through that road.
		Well, like the day after the accident happened, I would come to the area where they had gone off the road, and there was this Abarusian standing in the road with his hands up in the air.
		And it kind of scared me, and I didn't know if I should go keep going or stop or what I should do.
		And I said, no, I'm going to go past.
		So I went on home, and I told my husband about it.
		And the following night, the same thing happened.
		And this happened for like three or four nights.
		And my daughter got a call from her friend that was in the hospital, and she asked her if she could come and see her.
		So I took my daughter in to see her, and I really didn't understand why I was seeing this in the road.
		I mean, to me, it was sort of, you know, what do you want?
		What's going on, you know, type thing.
		It was like he was restless or something was going on and trying to tell me something.
		At least that's how I felt.
		So I took my daughter in to see her friend at the hospital, and she went in to see her, and then she asked my daughter if I would mind going in and seeing her.
		So I said, well, okay, I'd go in.
		And my daughter waited for me out in the hall, and it was just her friend and I in the room.
		And she started telling me that it was all her fault that her brother died, that she could have done something to help him.
		And, you know, she was just crying.
		And I finally told her, I said, it was not your fault.
		There was nothing that you could have done to change the situation.
		And after that, I didn't see him in the road anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		It was almost like I was to go to tell her because she wanted to commit suicide.
		She wanted to end her life because she felt like she was responsible for what happened to him.
		And after I went and saw her and told her that it wasn't her fault, then I felt like a big weight was lifted off of me and she got well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Remarkable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely remarkable.
unidentified		It was really a strange situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did it make you a believer?
unidentified		Oh, definitely.
		Because I had something else happen to me in 1980.
		And it was sort of a situation where we lived in a little tiny trailer.
		And I kept getting this odor.
		And I couldn't figure out what it was at first.
		And we had this dog that kept looking behind her.
		Well, this odor that I kept getting was sort of like, I could smell like my grandfather.
		You know, how certain people, they eat certain things, and they have just an odor about them.
		Well, he always ate curios and all brand for breakfast and toast, and that's what I kept smelling.
		Now, they lived in New York, and we were in Oregon.
		And my dog kept looking behind her one day and growling, and I couldn't figure out what was wrong.
		And the following day, I got a phone call from my mother that my grandfather had passed away.
		And I knew he had been there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's every reason to believe that those who pass away, even those who move on, linger long enough near loved ones.
unidentified		I hadn't seen him in probably 20 years.
unidentified		And I think it was just his way of making sure that me and my family were fine and that he was okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A very common story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much.
unidentified		You're welcome.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Listen, I'm getting a lot of email here indicating, well, let me read you one, from Jay.
		Warning, warning, warning, solar images.
		Look out.
		Here comes a big solar flare.
		And this one is a big one.
		We'll try and get the information up on the website tonight, if not tomorrow.
		So there apparently has been a very, very large solar flare.
		And we'll try and keep you updated.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, how are you, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I am in Kansas City, Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kansas City.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
unidentified		The story I'm about to tell you, although it does not happen here, happens in central South Dakota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Central South Dakota.
unidentified		Right, Mitchell, to be exact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell me something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they saying bad things about me on Kansas City Talk Radio?
unidentified		You know what?
unidentified		My husband turned me on to you this evening, and I work in a bar, and he said he kind of got freaked out yesterday about some Catholic pastor talking about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		all of this relates to a possible curse placed on the kansas city chiefs after i've been getting some really nasty and You're a Raiders fan?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, so am I, actually.
unidentified		All right, go ahead.
unidentified		About early 1990, or no, I'm sorry, mid-1991, I had just filed for a divorce, and I found out three weeks later that I was pregnant with my second child.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
unidentified		Which is, you know, not great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not great.
unidentified		And I was living with this family in a little town called Parkston, South Dakota, and not very happy.
unidentified		And I was thinking about an abortion, which I have a very Catholic family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
unidentified		And their Catholic upbringing.
		But at the time, I was so sick of religion, I didn't think about church.
		I didn't care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you were in the middle of a divorce taking along my own sort of thinking about an abortion.
		Listen, this sounds like a very interesting story.
		We're at a break.
		Can I put you on hold?
unidentified		Go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We will come back after the break and finish this one up.
		Can you imagine that?
		Are there worse, more serious human situations than that?
		You file for divorce, you're with your family, and you find out you're pregnant.
		You begin thinking about an abortion.
		It's your second child.
		I don't know.
		Doesn't get much rougher than that, does it?
		From the high desert where the clouds and the rain and the mist are moving in on kind of a creepy night.
		This is coast to coast a.m.
		I wonder if they speeded up her voice or if she just had 10 cups of coffee to do that.
		All right.
		Well, anyway, you're back, and I cannot imagine a worse situation.
		Filing for divorce.
		You find out you're pregnant.
		you living with your family and you think you've bought His family.
		He is even worse yet.
		And you're considering an abortion.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		So at the time, I decided to take A part-time job to get away from my situation, collect my thoughts.
		And I happened to land a job in Emory, South Dakota, where he grew up actually, where he went to high school and grade school, working for a couple husband and wife, well under their 80s.
		And this gentleman's wife had Alzheimer's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		You know, and not being in a great situation as I was.
		It was very difficult for me.
		And so things proceeded, and one afternoon I just got set up, and not to be, you know, caught, I used a pay phone and looked in the old pages.
		I was desperate.
		And I looked under abortion.
		This wonderful lady came on the phone, and I said, I need help.
		And she says, let me pick you up this afternoon.
		I'm going to take you to my office here in Mitchell.
		I said, you have it.
		You got it.
		So she shows me all these films, and I was totally disgusted.
		And she says, I'm going to give you another option.
		So I have this wonderful lady who lives down the street.
		She's 73 years old.
		She's looking for a roommate.
		I said, really?
		She goes, you know you don't want to do this list.
		You write it down.
		So I moved in with this lady.
		She was 73 years old and she got me back into church.
		And I started going to church faithfully and doing church functions.
		And I decided to get re-baptized in a Christian church.
		And so I was going through the classes, and I was teaching some youth classes.
		And at the time, I was working at a computer place that made floppy disks.
		And I was going to school.
		And I remember the pastor telling me, you know, Tracy, there's going to be a time, there's a door here, and you're about reaching that time.
		You're going to have to make a decision.
		You know, either you want to go with the Lord or you want to go elsewhere.
		He says, and someone will try you.
		And I thought he was just full of it.
		You know, growing up in a big family, big Catholic family, I'd never been in that kind of position.
		So one evening, and it kind of struck me weird.
		One evening, I left both doors open.
		I slept in the basement.
		And there was two doors to my room, and I left the television on.
		And I read my path out of my Bible and I went to sleep.
		And I don't know what time it was in the morning because it's awful dark in the basement being one little window underground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And all of a sudden, I hear two doors slam and the TV turn off.
unidentified		I'm freaking out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody's there.
unidentified		And then I open my eyes and I see not an apparition, but a silhouette with two red eyes like you saw from Amityville Horror.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I have chills right now remembering this.
		And this voice said, come with me.
		Come with me.
		Now, I heard other people talking about being paralyzed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I was paralyzed.
		I couldn't scream.
		I couldn't say anything.
		And all of a sudden in my mind, all I remember in my mind saying was, Jesus saved me.
		Jesus saved me.
		And then I was able to roll over on my bill and put a pillow over my head.
		And it was gone.
		And the next day, the doors were still open, and the TV was on.
		So we went and we talked to the pastor about this because I'm freaking out.
		Selma, being in her room right upstairs, never heard a thing.
		And the pastor came down and he anointed all the doorknobs, and he blessed the whole house, and I never heard anything again after that.
		And now I have...
		It was real.
		I mean, I even thought through that, you know, being I was 22 and, you know, I'm like, I know I'm more intelligent than this.
		You know, my mind doesn't play tricks on me.
		And, I mean, I looked a couple times at this thing and I just saw those eyes, and it came close.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it you went ahead with a divorce.
unidentified		I went ahead with the divorce, and I had a very happy, healthy child that was born on Valentine's Day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care.
		Me too.
		Red eyes.
		Wild card line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		How are you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm okay, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Northern California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I'm an investigator for the county here, and I had to go up to this place about 25 miles up this old dirt road.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And the people I was talking to, they told me that this house is haunted on this property and nobody lived in it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you say you're an investigator for the county, what do you mean?
unidentified		I'm a fraud investigator.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, fraud, okay.
unidentified		And anyway, I was talking to them, and they told me a few stories about this house getting attacked by this mean male ghost.
		And I kind of just blew it off.
		Then I talked to my girlfriend the next day and told her about it.
		And she talked me into going up there.
		So we spent a total of six nights up there and got some really neat pictures.
		When we first went into the house, everything seemed to be okay.
		But then we smelled a like rotting flesh.
		Rotting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rotting flesh.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Real, real strong odor.
		Excuse me.
		Along with a lot of cold spots in the house.
		And the majority of it seemed to be in the kitchen and the hallway.
		We looked around, couldn't find anything.
		Of course, this house hasn't been lived in in 10 years either.
		So later on, my girlfriend and her daughter decide to play with the Ouija board.
		And that's when everything really started to get exciting.
		I'm taking pictures of them playing with the Ouija board, and it's probably around 11, 12 o'clock at night.
		And all of a sudden, the chair flies back as she's sitting in, my girlfriend.
		She gets up, she's holding her knee, and she had to get kicked in the knee or hit in the knee, which left a bruise.
		Immediately after that, the door, which is right behind me, the handle turned.
		Now this is, there's no one around, and it's close to midnight if it wasn't midnight.
		I was ready to go at that point, but since we're so far back there on this dirt road, I decided to go ahead and spend the night.
		Of course, I can't sleep.
		And we're all laying in the living room.
		And then I hear footsteps upstairs, like children running.
		There's also supposed to be two children, ghost children in this house also.
		Now, six months ago, I wouldn't have believed this until it happened to me.
		I hear footsteps running upstairs and a door slammed.
		And I decided to go ahead and take the tape recorder out at that time and set it up and just let it play.
		And the next day I listened to the tape recorder and I heard a small child say, help me, help me, twice.
		Never heard this.
		Never ever heard it.
		Just incredible.
		Just incredible.
		Got pictures of orbs, orbs in motion.
		There is a sent them to the ghost web and he posted a few of them and I finally made my own website because I have about 400 pictures.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		400?
unidentified		Yeah, that I've taken out there in that six-day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why don't you send me some email and give me your site?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll take a look and put up a link.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		You bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How would that be, all right?
unidentified		You bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you very much, and take care.
		As a matter of fact, I would like to get any ghost photographs that anybody has.
		So if you've got a good one, by all means, send it to Art Bell at P.O. Box 4755 in Haunted Perump.
		That's P-A-H-R-U-M-P, Nevada.
		ZI code 89041-4755.
		And if you cannot scan them, I would be more than happy to scan them for you and get them out.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello.
		It's Mike from Philly, Phil FPA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Philadelphia.
unidentified		Yes, I'm a little nervous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Relax.
unidentified		About 14 months ago, me and my wife and my dog and my kid moved to a house.
		It was about in the 40s.
		And I was showing my stepfather to the basement.
		And I was standing about six feet away from him, and he was standing on the stairs.
		And I seen this apparition of a man walking behind him, going towards the back door.
		Now, I didn't think anything of it at the time.
		But, you know, a half hour later, I thought about it.
		What was that?
		And then I came home and went to the store one night.
		It was like 2 o'clock in the morning.
		And I came in the basement.
		And we had a dog.
		He was about six months old.
		And it was just about the size of a large cat walked by me towards the back door.
		And I thought it was my dog.
		He was asleep upstairs.
		And I had mentioned it to my wife, and she seen the thing walking from the kitchen to the living room.
		So we asked the neighbors if they had a cat.
		The guy lived there, and he died, and his wife was all alive, but she got sick, and she moved into an apartment or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it a cat?
unidentified		I think so, because we asked the neighbors if they had a cat, and they said yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		But it wasn't an evil feeling.
		It was like they were checking us out and moved in their house.
		You know what I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cats do that.
unidentified		Yeah, it was like a ghost cat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sounds crazy, but...
		Not crazy.
		Look, cats, anybody who owns one, a cat or a dog, knows that they have individual personalities and probably every bit as liable to come back as a ghost as a human.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Can I have one more quick story?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		I used to work at a restaurant at night.
		I used to watch the fishes or whatever.
		And I found this restaurant used to be a Marine base and then a church and then a restaurant.
		And it was real late at night, and I was coming out of the fish room.
		And I seen a figure out of a corner of my eye standing right about two feet away from me.
		And I turned and looked at him, and he wasn't there anymore, so I quickly got out of there real quick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would, too.
		I have seen, thank you very much, similar figures.
		And you always see them in your peripheral vision.
		You just sort of halfway see them.
		Enough so you know they really were or are there.
		But they're not quite there when you focus your vision fully on them.
unidentified		Odd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Ar, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		This is Jim from Santa Fe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I just wanted to share a little experience that I had back in my Air Force days.
		It wasn't too long ago.
		But I was stationed out at a base in California, and every few years or so they have an air show.
		And part of the air show is they've got these planes flying around and what have you, and they also have some older jets on display in one of the hangars.
		And it's open to the public.
		And, you know, I didn't get to work that day, but I had to work a mid, you know, until I came in around, I don't know, 11 or 12, sure.
		And, you know, my duty post was to, you know, I had to sit out of this hangar.
		You know, I had an EAL, which is an entry authority list and tells you who can come in and out of there.
		And the guy I relieved told me, yeah, it was quiet.
		There's nobody in there, just the planes or whatever.
		And there's only a couple ways in and out of this hangar.
		So I go in there and I'm looking around.
		You know, they had like F4s and F5s, some other planes.
		And I was, you know, pretty interested in the ones from Vietnam.
		Some of them even had like bullet holes in them.
		And I took a flashlight and I went up to the undercarriage of an F4.
		And I was just looking around and checking out the lights and the tire and what have you.
		And I just kicked the tire, you know, just see how much air was in it.
		I don't know why I did it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But people always kick tires.
unidentified		Oh yeah, especially when you're bored.
		And you know, I started walking away from it and I heard this like tap as if somebody was tapping on the glass.
		You know, I turned around and I looked up and in the cockpit there was this would appeared to be like somebody sitting in there.
		And it really spooked me out because he had he was wearing like I don't know how to describe it, but you know like Red Baron, you know, the goggles and the scarf and the cap.
		Sure.
		Guy was sitting there grinning at me and I was like, whoa.
		You know, and I made sure there was nobody in there.
		And it, you know, really spooked me out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was a Red Baron type in an F4?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Yeah, that, you know, it really spooked me out.
		And I didn't say anything to anybody until actually about two weeks ago.
		This happened about five years ago and I talked to one of my friends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd be disinclined to tell that story myself.
		Yeah.
		That's an amazing story.
		And so you just, what, took off?
unidentified		Oh, I couldn't take off.
		I just went back outside the hangar and called one of my friends who's on a Roman patrol to come over.
		And I just told him I felt really sick.
		Didn't tell him why, you know, until like five years later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That makes sense.
		I appreciate your story.
		Thank you.
		And while we're on the military subject, perhaps a correction, I don't know.
		My name is Jeffrey, and he gives a last name.
		I won't read that.
		And I also served aboard the USS Enterprise.
		One of your callers said the Independence took a torpedo hit.
		That is a Forestall-class carrier and has never taken enemy fire whatsoever, not even during Vietnam.
		The explosion, in fact, did occur and was caused due to a maintenance error.
		But the stories he told are true.
		I've served on five carriers.
		The one I liked best was the USS Ranger.
		There, there was a ghost of a chief that wanders through the ship's galley.
		He was killed in a fire that broke out in the main machinery room, number three.
		So that may be a slight correction, but the story remains.
		Don't blame you for a second.
		Well, listen, we're out of time.
		We could go and go and go and go.
		If after listening to five hours of all of this, you don't believe we're more than flesh and bones, then you just haven't been listening.
		Tell everybody good night.
unidentified		Good night, everybody, and sleep with your lights on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I imagine a lot of people will be doing just that this night.
		That's Ghost to Ghost.
		I'm Mark Bell from the High Desert.
		Good night.
unidentified		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I woke in the early morning to see someone kneeling beside my bed, staring at me.
		I could see the outline, a smoky outline of a man, almost transparent, with an expressionless face.
		To my disbelief, I closed and opened my eyes, repeatedly thinking that I must have been dreaming, only I continued to see the figure kneeling and staring at me.
		Frightened, I threw two quick punches at my intruder's head of a black belt and karate, only to see my fists and arms pass straight through this entity as it slowly drifted back into the night.
		Obviously, I was frightened and confused.
		Was I dreaming?
		Earlier this week, I was again awakened in the middle of the night by someone or something grabbing at my wrist.
		So I shot up in bed and again saw the smoky outline of my visitor.
		This time, it was holding my arm and staring directly at me.
		No time to react as the figure slowly simply faded into the dark again.
		Was I dreaming?
		Convinced this might all be in my head, I only told two of my closest friends about the ordeal.
		That was until last night.
		You see, I was at a school function sitting with many of my fellow students when the conversation turned to the supernatural.
		That's when one of my classmates embarrassingly admitted that he and his roommate believe there is an entity visiting their apartment.
		Though they haven't seen the ghost, apparently their visitor makes itself known by moving objects around the apartment and knocking other items over.
		Couldn't believe what I heard, turned white as chills ran down my spine.
		You must understand, Art.
		The two students who told us that story live in the apartment across the hall, directly across the hall from mine.
		I don't know if I'm going to have time to get this in or not.
		It's from a police officer.
		He says, here's my ghost story, Art.
		I'm a cop.
		When I was 13, we lived in an old church parsonage on the Celine Seward County line in Nebraska.
		The church and the small country cemetery was just south of the house.
		My bedroom was on the southwest corner of the house.
		One November night near Thanksgiving, I had just turned out the light from reading.
		It was an ear full moon out.
		I could see the church and cemetery like daylight.
		I lay back in my bed, which was inches from the door, as was the light switch.
		I was facing the door when I heard footsteps coming up the stairs.
		I assumed it was my dad.
		It was not unusual for him to check on me.
		I like to stay up.
		He admonished me to get to sleep.
		I'd stay up and read.
		I heard steps coming closer, feigned sleep, but kept my eyes partly open.
		As the steps entered my room, I saw not my dad, but a shadowy figure.
		Tall, male.
		No features.
		Repeat, no features.
		It had a white collar.
		The moonlight in my room, almost like a nightlight.
		Should have been able to see any face if it was there, but it was just a shadow.
		I about filled my drawers.
		I walked toward the window, stood there as if looking at the church.
		It was a solid figure, as the moonlight didn't shine through it.
		It turned, started back toward the door.
		Me, I pulled the covers over my head and shook until I fell asleep.
		Several years later, when I was an adult, my dad and I were driving about having Barbie bops.
		We drove by the house, the church.
		I asked Dad if anything strange had ever happened there.
		My dad told me this story when he was, when it was cold, often when it was cold, we'd shut the sliding doors to the large parlor so we wouldn't have to heat it.
		Dad would often wake to pounding on the sliding doors because they were taped shut.
		He actually on occasion would see the doors move as they were pounded on.
		You know, the old, you've seen it in the movies, right?
		Boom, boom, boom.
		Door bows in, that kind of thing.
		So it just goes on and on.
		His dad had seen the same thing.
		I'm just, there's not going to be enough time for me to finish this story, but there is another case, you see, of an independent confirmation.
		As I said earlier, a lot of people see these things, they experience these things, and they don't want to talk about them for obvious reasons.
		Because somebody's a, you know, you're afraid somebody will think you're nuts, right?
		Well, you're not nuts.
	And so tonight you will hear stories, and we're about to go to the phones, from people who I can assure you, most of them are not nuts.
	Now, of course, there's going to be a few, but most of them are not nuts at all.
unidentified		What's happening is real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A couple of these photographs, and one in particular, totally freaks me out.
		Again, on my website, artbill.com.
		What's new?
		Second photo down at the moment.
		There's a woman coming right through a closed door.
		And she's right in the middle of it.
		Now, this one, this one does it for me.
		You know, you hear the stories, and you will tonight, of people saying that these things come through walls and come through ceilings.
		But to get a photograph of it, this one's really creepy, folks.
		All right, here we go.
		First time caller line.
		You are first on Ghost to Ghost this night.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey.
unidentified		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, where are you?
unidentified		I am calling from Chicago, WLS.
unidentified		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Well, I was living.
unidentified		I was doing an antique show in Texas, and on the way back, I went to visit my sister's house, who lives in St. Bernard Parish, right outside of New Orleans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And so she was taking me on, like, a tour that most people don't go on, showing me interesting stuff.
		And she goes, oh, I got to show you this.
		I got to show you this.
		It's the LeBeau Plantation house.
		We drove by it, and it's owned by a fairly famous sugar company.
		Any grocery store that you would go into, you'd see a sugar package.
		So they ended up buying up this plantation and the property next to it.
		And it's all boarded up.
		The place looks real spooky and everything like that.
		She starts telling me the stories about this.
		And the first thing that I said after she started telling me this is, we have got to go in there.
		And she started laughing and going, ever since I moved here, I've been waiting for you to get down here because I've been wanting to sneak in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you would intentionally go into such an environment.
unidentified		As crazy as it sounds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Okay, fine.
		So you and who went?
unidentified		Me, my sister, and my wife.
		Now, we're all adults, but we're all kids.
		You know what I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		So a couple days later, it rained for a couple of nights, so we couldn't do it.
unidentified		But a few days later, we got some good weather, and we were armed with a towel and a flashlight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's good armor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, towel and a flashlight, yes.
unidentified		And it's funny because the people that live around here, if they're listening to the show, they'll know exactly what we're talking about.
unidentified		I should probably tell you the history of this place first.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'd rather just kind of get to what happened.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, we go behind a VFW Hall, which is back behind this place, and we've got to go a roundabout way to sneak over the fence and this, that, and the other.
		And it's kind of like right out of Nax Files episode, you know, going through sugar tankards in the middle of the night, stacked too high, and all this stuff.
		Get into the house, finally.
		And I'd like to say that we didn't really destroy anything except like a little eight-inch board trying to get in.
		But we get into this place, and it's huge.
		And there's like eight rooms on the bottom floor.
		And so we start making our way around, and we're looking for a staircase.
		And you have to imagine that we're not supposed to be there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand that you did this voluntarily.
unidentified		So, anyway, and also we're trespassing, and, you know, so we're more afraid of security than we are of ghosts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got the picture.
unidentified		And so one of the first things that happened, and this was really bizarre, okay, because, you know, I'm pointing the flashlight down at the ground.
unidentified		I'm using the towel to kind of like block out the light so we're not lighting up an entire room at a time, but only a little bit so that we're not going to be seen from the outside.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And now, my wife and my sister saw this better than I did.
unidentified		I saw it out of the corner of my eye, but they saw it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just tell me what happened.
unidentified		A flashing light shot across the room, but in like a swooping motion, going upwards and then down and then back up again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like in Ghostbusters.
unidentified		Yeah, it just shot across.
unidentified		Now, I only saw it out of the corner of my eye, and they thought, so I turned out the flashlight because I'm thinking somebody's, you know, security's coming, they're flashing a light, everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, you can't make that.
unidentified		So we're like, shh, be quiet, be quiet, be quiet.
		And we all go, we go stand by the doors and we're looking out.
		The doors are boarded up, but you know, there's places where you can see out and we're looking to see.
		And we're like 300, 400 yards in any direction from anything.
		And so we're just standing there being quiet.
		And then my sister goes, I just saw a light up in the through the floorboards in the ceiling above us.
		She goes, I just saw a light up there.
		I went, get out.
		And I'm looking up, and then I see it in a different place.
		And there's like light coming through the floorboards, but yet there's like big holes here and there, and the holes weren't illuminated at all.
		Just little cracks of lights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not coming from everywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I get it.
unidentified		Really, really bizarre.
		Okay.
		So then we go on and I'm like, nah, nah, nah.
		Because, you know, you're sitting there, you're saying, none of this is happening.
		You know, you're just paranoid and all this stuff.
		And so we go walking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Got about 30 seconds, sir.
unidentified		Oh, I'm sorry.
		We go around to the first path of the first floor, and then we noticed that we couldn't find the staircase.
		So we start going through again.
		The second time through, this is the weirdest thing.
		We heard, I mean, it sounds like a classic haunting type of thing, but I swear it sounded like, you know, like a large metal handled door and something swinging closed.
		The wind started blowing, and everything's boarded up, but, and it dropped like, we could hear wind outside, but it dropped like 20 degrees.
		And everybody just freaked because we thought we were, once again, we thought we were busted.
		Not that there were ghosts or anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we're at about the end of the time here.
unidentified		Oh, that's a shame because it gets better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's going to have to do it real quick.
unidentified		Well, basically, I go over by the end-all-be-all is we heard what sounded like the voices of slaves calling, like adult black men calling to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where was this again, please?
unidentified		This is in St. Bernard Parish, the Lobeau Plantation House.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		There was a slave route.
		When I lived in Maryland once, a place called Blue Ridge Summit.
		We lived in a very large house at the time.
		In fact, the house we lived in, my mom called it Early Victorian Halloween.
		Early Halloween.
		It was an old house, but it had 35 rooms.
		35 rooms.
		And I, of course, I had appropriated one of the top rooms in the house for my hamshack.
		And it was on a route where they had sent slaves, you know, and they would send slaves from the southern part of the country to the northern part of the country.
		And there were certain like safe houses for the slaves.
		And this was one of them.
		And so we had in this house, it was a creepy house that I lived in.
		We had secret passageways.
		And so it was really cool as a child because, man, there were secret passageways that went around almost every room in the house.
		Totally secret passageways.
		Now, the story was they had been used to hide slaves in their trek north.
		You know, would be a stopping off point.
		But man, that was one weird house I lived in.
		A place called Blue Ridge Summit of Pennsylvania, Maryland.
		The Miss and Dixon line actually ran right through the house.
		Actually ran through the house.
		Amazing.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Oh, oh, hi.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Pat from Southwest Florida.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Pat.
unidentified		I'm a retired New York City fireman, fire lieutenant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New York City Fire Lieutenant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		That's correct, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And this concerns a story regarding a ghost story that I heard.
		This is not a first-hand story, but this was about Rescue One, which at the time was on 33rd Street between 8th and 9th Avenue.
		And the story was related to me by a firefighter at the time.
		This is about 1977.
		I can't remember the guy's last name.
		First name was Chris.
		And he's listening.
		He comes from Glen Cove, Long Island.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		But at any rate, he told me this story that on the second floor of this particular firehouse on 43rd Street, Rescue 1, it's the bunk room.
		You know, on the first floor, you have the fire truck and the kitchen and what have you.
		Sure.
		On the second floor, you have the bunk room.
		And he said that one night he went up there between around 2.15 in the morning.
		And between runs, you can go into the bed, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can I ask a question?
		Can I ask a stupid question?
		Sure.
		Lieutenant, in those firehouses, you know, the old-fashioned thing was that there was this sliding pole between one floor and another, and you would see firemen sliding down it.
		Did that exist?
unidentified		Oh, sure, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Of course, yeah.
		They had two of them in each house.
		In this particular house, they had two, one up front and one in the back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I always wondered if that was real, normal, or just sort of a media thing, you know.
		Oh, no, no, that's absolutely true.
		It's okay, all right.
unidentified		Absolutely true.
		And after any New York City fireman or any fireman, I suppose, for that matter, they would certainly know this, you know?
		Okay.
		At the time, I was assigned to Ford Truck, which was on 48th and 8th, 48th Street and 8th Avenue.
		Anyway, he told me this story, and he said that this one particular night, he went up into the bed, and he was lying on his stomach.
		And by the way, this particular bunk room is extremely dark, or it was extremely dark.
		Pitch black.
		I mean, you couldn't see your hand in front of your face.
		And the only thing you could see was the luminescent light up on the wall.
		And he looked up, and he saw it was about 3 o'clock or so, something like that.
		And then all of a sudden, he felt a pressure on his ankles.
		Like somebody grabbing his ankles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you know?
unidentified		And then they moved up towards his calves and so on and so forth, you know?
unidentified		And he thought maybe it was one of the guys just playing a trick or goofing on him, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And he said, when the guy got up to the back of his thighs, he said, that's it.
unidentified		I'm not putting up with this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And he jumped up and he turned on the lights in the bunk room, which was pitch black.
		And there was absolutely nobody there.
		And everybody else was fast asleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, this is part of what I've never understood and part of what I was after tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I can understand that there could be a ghost or there could be an entity of some sort, but how they actually physically manifest in this world and attack people and do things like you're talking about, that one I don't get.
unidentified		Well, you know, I saw this guy twice afterwards, and I said, Chris, I said, were you telling me the truth about that story?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And he said, I absolutely was.
		But let me tell you one, let me go a little further with this.
		Sure.
		Okay?
		So the next morning, he got up and he related the story to the lieutenant on duty that morning.
		Right.
		And he said, hey, you know, something happened last night.
		It was really weird.
		And they checked the records.
		And it turns out that something like 20 years before, like 19, I don't know, 1957, something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New York City Fire Department keeps long records.
unidentified		Oh, of course.
unidentified		I mean, records back to the 800s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So 20...
unidentified		So anyway, they found out that at that particular hour and that particular date, there was a fireman in Rescue One who was between tours.
unidentified		In other words, he wasn't on duty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		He was between tours.
		They had a fire.
		This guy went to the fire, between tours.
		He wasn't officially on duty.
		Came back to the firehouse.
		Went up to that particular rack, that particular bed, and died of a heart attack.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		Really?
		At the exact time, 20 years ago.
		Yes.
unidentified		And it was documented.
		And from what he told me, the widow of the firefighter, and I don't know his name, but the widow of the firefighter never received any compensation.
		So that, you know, there was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, well, then you could imagine a motive, perhaps, for the harmony.
		I don't know.
		Is that what I'm saying?
unidentified		Who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, who knows?
unidentified		You know, at first when I heard the story, I said, oh, man, that's kind of hard to believe, you know?
		But, you know, again, I told you, I saw the guy and I said, Chris, was that really a true story?
		He said, I swear it was true.
		And P.S., Rescue One on 43rd Street between 8th and 9th burned down around, I'm not sure the exact year.
		I think it was about 1979, 1980.
		It was a tremendous fire.
		It was in Daily News.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		But it burned down and it was a tremendous fire.
unidentified		Totally took the place out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, brother.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lieutenant, thank you.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		There is a fire, Lieutenant.
		You see what I mean?
		The part that I'm struggling to understand, and I guess I'm going to keep saying this, is how do these entities that no longer possess a physical body manifest physical things?
		I mean, how can they be touching you, choking you, scratching you, affecting you physically in any way at all in this dimension?
		Remember, they don't have a physical body anymore, right?
		So how did these stories happen?
		How does it happen?
		Oh, east of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello?
		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Oh, great.
unidentified		You're talking to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am, yes.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Charleston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Charleston.
unidentified		South Carolina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		South Carolina.
unidentified		And I'm a police officer, and that doesn't make me more credible, I'm sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it does.
unidentified		Anyway, I have had numerous experiences with entities, and I would probably say in my lifetime 30 years, I would say probably 10 or 15.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long have you been a police officer?
unidentified		About five years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Five years.
unidentified		I've had several on the job.
		But actually, the one I was going to talk about was what happened as a child.
		Fire away.
		I'm not going to waste time or anything, but when I was a child, I was about six or seven years, and it was right after an experience that I had two years prior with a miracle with a religious person.
		And we had moved into this new house, and everything that happened in this house was really odd.
		I remember every Halloween, every really evil thing that went on.
		I remember, I don't remember Christmas or anything nice in that house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excuse me, any specific, but we don't have a lot of time.
unidentified		Well, make a long story short.
		I just went to bed and I'd laid down.
		I was about six or seven years old.
		And when I'd laid down in bed, I'd turn my nightlight on and I'd laid down and my brothers had gone to bed.
		And once I had laid down, I heard footsteps coming towards my door.
		And it's much like that other police officer talked about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Except the weird thing about this one was it wasn't a hazy glow or anything like that.
		It actually, it was, I call it a demon.
		But I had laid down, I had not even closed my eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could you actually describe what it looked like?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then do it.
unidentified		What had happened was it stepped in my door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell me what it looked like.
unidentified		It was about six or seven feet tall.
unidentified		It was a figure of a dog, believe it or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, brother.
unidentified		And it was a demonic look.
		It had hair.
		When I first saw Cujo, it had muddy, bloody, matted fur, just like Cujo had after I attacked all the people.
		And when it walked in, I smelled the odor of what I call pure death.
		If I ever smelled it again, I'd probably get sick.
		It walked into my room, it looked at me, and it had bangs on the front of the, on the bottom jaw that went straight up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a police officer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what death smells like.
unidentified		Oh, absolutely.
		Absolutely.
		But I hadn't smelled that at six or seven years old, and I've not smelled anything like it since.
		and the top bangs went straight down, had long fingernails.
		And it came in, it looked at me, it walked towards my bed, and the only thing I could think of to do was cover my eyes and start praying, which I did.
		And it leaned over me and was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Officer, hold it right there.
		We're at the top of the hour, so can you afford to hold through the news?
		All right, yeah, good.
		Hold on then, please.
		Does it make somebody more credible?
		Is there a police officer or a fire lieutenant like that, a previous caller?
		Yes, because these are men trained in observation.
		It's their job to observe and see what's going on and to observe it accurately.
		So yes, of course, it adds some credibility in that sense.
		I'm Art Bell from the High Desert.
		This is Ghost to Ghost AM.
		Again, you're going to want to check out that picture on my website, second one down.
		Girl either walking through a door or right in the middle of a door, manifesting right through a door.
		It's totally creepy.
unidentified		we will be back This is Coast to Coast AM with Arch Bell from the Kingdom of Nine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Depends on how you listen to it.
		It can be coast, ghost to ghost, ghost, right?
		Good morning, everybody.
		We are telling ghost stories, but we'll get back to it in a moment.
		I'm told that Guam, which I think did before it gets through on the international line, can't now.
		So, I don't know exactly what I'm going to do here.
		I guess, Guam, try to call my two regular 800 lines, both east and west, because I'll be damned if I know which one you really are.
		And on top of that, once I clear the call on the first-time caller line, I'll clear that number for Guam only for a period of time.
		We'll see what happens, because there are some good ghost stories to come from Guam, which is running the show actually live this morning to them Saturday afternoon.
		The sun is probably beginning to sink in the sky now on Guam.
		Just sink, or maybe, no, actually, it wouldn't be sinking yet, I guess.
		Anyway, Saturday afternoon.
		So we'll try it out here in a moment with Bob.
		Sorry, you can't get it.
		It seems ridiculous that you can't get through on the international line being that far away, but maybe that's the case.
		Stay right where you are.
		Ghost Ghost AM continues.
		Back to the police officer.
		And where are you again, sir?
unidentified		I'm in Charleston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Charleston, South Carolina.
		I wanted to read this to you before you continue.
		Sure.
		There's a man who writes from Wisconsin.
		Art, you know, it sounds like the policeman you're talking to had an encounter with Black Chuck, a spectral dog that has been reported all over the world.
		Demonic.
		Question mark.
		It may have been a demonic thing.
		And he calls it Black Chuck, a spectral dog, for whatever that's worth.
unidentified		Wow.
		You know, I've always wondered what it was because I've always had experiences where I've actually seen figures.
		I've had doors bang.
		I've had a lot of things happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but this thing looked like a dog.
unidentified		This thing was actually physically there, you know, and it wasn't in the spiritual realm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't misty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't misty.
unidentified		It was in the physical realm.
		And it topped my list as far as something that I could actually put my finger on, you know, and literally touch.
		If I had reached down, I probably could have touched it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But of course, you don't know that for sure.
unidentified		I don't know that for sure.
		But the thing was that it scared me to the point where I'd actually covered up and I started praying.
		And I was always wondering if anybody else had that experience or if there was something in literature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then maybe I just answered your question for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll have to do a little bit of research on that myself.
unidentified		But the thing that really troubled me about the whole thing is I never spoke about it.
		I never told my family.
		You know, I'm the youngest of several two brothers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		You know, I never told anybody.
		And seven years ago, I was sitting there talking to my brother, and the thing that shocked me, the whole situation, was we had started talking about, he's also a police officer.
		And I spoke to him about, you know, old houses.
		And he said, I didn't like this place.
		And I said, why?
		And he said, well, I had a problem there.
		And I said, what was that?
		And he described the creature to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The same creature?
unidentified		The same creature.
		And he said he was homesick, and he was laying on the couch.
		And he described it to a T. And I interjected periodically so he knew that I knew exactly.
		We both saw the same thing.
		We both validated each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That, my friend, thank you very much.
		That's as creepy as it gets.
		To see something, you know, perhaps demonic.
		I mean, you can always later sort of close your mind, right, and think to yourself, no matter how real the experience was at that moment, hey, I dreamed it.
		I had some, you know, some kind of hallucination.
		Something.
		But when somebody else saw exactly the same thing, then your options begin to dwindle pretty far.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Ark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey.
unidentified		Okay, uh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Oh, I'm in Reno.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Reno, okay.
unidentified		You on TOH?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're on a cell phone?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Okay, now, just bear with me here.
		When I lived in Colorado Springs, I was living in this house in the northwest part of town.
		And it was a very hot summer evening.
		Well, probably about 8:30.
		I was sitting there watching TV.
		And we had this ghost there that just walked up and down the stairs.
		All it ever did.
		Just walk up and down the stairs.
		Just heard.
		You heard the footsteps.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		When you came in the front door, there was a little foyer and three steps into the basement and then like eight steps up to the living room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And it constantly walked from the basement up the steps and then back down again.
		So I got set up.
		I'd lived in another haunted house a couple years earlier and the ghost there was pretty friendly.
		So I said to this one, I said, well, is that all you can do?
		Just walk up and down?
		Can't, you know, can you materialize?
		Can you speak?
		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and I guess it considered that an invitation, right?
unidentified		Yes, it did.
		And it did what?
		I was sitting there in a chair, and then all of a sudden, like I said, it's a very warm evening, must have been in the mid-80s, had the windows open, and it walked right up next to me, and all of a sudden I was freezing.
		The hair stood up on the back of my neck, and I got goose flesh.
		It was totally creepy, and I felt this, you know how you can tell when your wife's angry at you.
		Seriously does.
		You don't experience that much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, don't you kid yourself.
unidentified		But, you know, you could feel the anger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I could just feel it.
		My mom's going, oh, geez, I'm sorry.
		I said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very, very good analogy, sir.
		Very good.
		Every man out there, and probably every woman, too, from the other side, knows exactly what you're talking about.
		Oh, yes, I know that.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
		And that's the only thing that ever happened to that one.
		But in the previous house, we used to have windows fly open, doors fly open, lights go on, banging, pounding on doors.
		We called them Bob.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, Bob, well, I don't like the pounding on doors part.
		I did, and that goes to a little of what I'm going to talk about right now.
		I don't rule this out.
		In fact, actually, I rule it in.
		A lot of strange things have occurred to me during the years that I've been doing these programs.
		And I'm becoming convinced, and you might want to have this served up to you as a warning.
		I really am becoming convinced that when we talk of these things and we consider them, the more we do it, the more we invite it.
		And I think that's why I've had a lot of one time during one of these programs.
		It wasn't a knock at my door.
		I mean, you've got to remember, I live inside, you know, a regular home, and I have my converted studio here.
		And what I heard hit my door was more like a pile driver.
		I mean, it wasn't a knock.
		Trust me.
unidentified		Boom!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, that kind of thing on my door right during the middle of one of these ghost-to-ghost shows.
		And it scared the you-know-what out of me.
		I mean, right in the middle of the show.
		And I ran over to the door and I did open it.
		There was absolutely nothing there.
		But I mean, this was a almost going to break it off the hinges kind of kaboom on my door.
unidentified		So I've come to the conclusion that I'm an overroad truck driver, and I get you on SM radio.
unidentified		I get you on the S channel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And anyway, I came with my husband.
unidentified		So we're coast to coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What part of the world are you in now?
unidentified		Right now, I'm in Ludlow, California.
		Okay.
		And this happened right outside of Albuquerque, New Mexico.
		Now, you've got to understand, we're used to sleeping in different areas.
		Nothing's ever happened before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		But we were outside of Albuquerque on I-25 in a rest area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you got a bunk up behind, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
unidentified		Yeah, we got a sleeper burst.
		Right.
		And this happened in a rest area right at the 163 marker in Bellum, Bellum, New Mexico.
		And I had just quit driving.
		I had been listening to you like I always do.
		And I just quit driving.
		I was tired.
		My husband was already sleeping.
		So I put on my night shirt and I was brushing out my hair.
		And so I turned everything off when I got done and I climbed in behind my husband like I normally do.
		Something kept telling me to look behind me.
		And I'm like, I'm not going to do this, you know.
		So I just closed my eyes, you know.
		And I'm not asleep yet because I had just laid down and it takes me a while to relax.
		All of a sudden, my body went totally numb.
		Now this is the God's truth.
		My body went totally numb.
		I could not move my body.
		This noise started coming out of my mouth and I'm trying to speak.
		I'm trying to get my husband.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What kind of noise?
unidentified		Like a gurgling, like it went like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And my husband is still snoring.
		And I'm trying to move my fingertips to get him awoke because I can't hardly move, but I'm willing my fingertips to touch him.
		And I'm trying to get his name out.
		I'm thinking, am I having a stroke here?
		What's going on?
		And that's what I'm thinking.
		But I'm like, no, that's not going because my mind's working here.
		And all of a sudden, my body, I thought I was going to start levitating.
		I'm like, oh my God, what's going on?
		And I'm starting praying in my mind because my husband and I are very religious.
		And I start praying, you know.
		And finally, I don't know how, but my husband got awoke.
		But in the meantime, the middle part, because I'm keeping my legs and arms, trying to keep them down, but the middle part of my body's starting to move up.
		I'm like, oh, please, God, make it go away, please.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is when your husband woke up?
unidentified		My husband woke up.
		He goes, what's going on with you?
		And then it just left.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you, you just sort of flopped back down?
unidentified		I had already come back down.
unidentified		I didn't fully go up just because I'm, you know, just the middle part of my body's moving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you recognize anything that came out of your mouth?
unidentified		No, nothing but this noise.
		And like I said, I'm trying to go like this, you know.
		Yeah.
		And so you and I'm thinking, is this one of these things where, you know, you're asleep, what do you call that?
		You're you think you're asleep, but you're not, or something, you know what I'm talking?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		And I'm like, this ain't going on, because I wasn't asleep yet.
		I had just fallen in bed, and something was telling me, turn over to my side and look.
		I'm like, oh, no, this is too creepy.
		I'm not looking.
		I closed my eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So something was something in my body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, inhabited you, I was going to say, for a period of time.
unidentified		Yeah, and now, and what was really weird when I pulled into this rest area, like when us drivers pull in late at night in the rest area, you can't find a parking spot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a big RV and I've tried to fight for those spots, so I know.
unidentified		Yeah, oh, but see, there was only two other trucks there.
unidentified		I'm like, this is strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell me exactly where it was again.
unidentified		Okay, this was right outside south side of Albuquerque.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At mile marker what?
unidentified		163.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		163.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, RV.
unidentified		The rest area on 25.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I got you.
		All right, well, then some other...
		Well listen, we're out of time, but some other truckers, I'm sure, will give mile marker 163 a try, because these things tend to hang out at the same place.
		All right, first-time caller line is restricted for Guam.
		Only Guam.
unidentified		But I couldn't lie anyway.
		So I'll never say all the news firing in my head.
		There's a beat I haven't got to get to bed Still I need hope
		My whole life's been to a brave man Help my friends in the twilight zone Laying me down to fear my feet gone My feet just came from the moon and star Where I'm the gold that I'm on for Help my friends in the twilight zone Laying me down to fear my feet I'm
		the gold that I'm on for Where I'm the gold that I'm on for You're gonna go When I'm gonna hit the ball You're gonna go When I'm gonna hit the ball Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye from west of the Rockies at 1-800-618-8255.
		East of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033.
		First-time callers may rechart at 1-775-727-1222.
		And the wildcard line is open at 1-775-727-1295.
		To rechart on the toll-free international line, call your AT ⁇ T operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell, Cromba Kingdom of Thai.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now you're watching.
		After this next ball, I guarantee, I've got a federal law enforcement officer on the first-time caller line.
		And after that, I'm going to restrict it for Guam.
		I guaranteed.
		Sorry, you can't get through on the international line.
		That's totally raw from my point of view.
		You should be able to get through on that line.
		But since you can't, and I know the 800 lines are swamped, the only option I have is to try and open the first-time caller line for Guam only.
		So that's what I'm going to do as soon as I take this call.
		That number is area code 775-727-1222.
		Once again, I'm going to hold that line open for Guam only.
		775-727-1222.
		The only option I've got.
		I know that Guam is with us right now.
		On a Saturday afternoon.
		Stay right there.
unidentified		Hi, Tom Bodet from Motel 6.
		Welcome to Tom's Chat Room.
		Of course, the beauty of Tom's Chat Room is that Tom does all the chatting.
		So let's talk.
		Dearborn, Michigan asks, say, Tom, does Motel 6 really have the lowest rates of any national chain?
		Yes.
		And that's Tom's Chat Room.
		I'm Cyber Tom Bodette, logging off for Motel 6, and we'll leave the light on for you.
		Motel 6 at a core hotel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Laurie, let me say it one more time.
		Following the call I'm just now going to take, then I'm going to reserve this line away for only Guam.
		I don't care who you are, what it's about, only Guam, those poor people.
		You would think, and if you're, by the way, if you want to call on the international line and you're anywhere else in the world, you're welcome to now call because obviously Guam isn't able to use it.
		So the international line anywhere else in the world is 800-893-0903.
		With reference to Guam, this is going to mean you would have to pay for the call, but I don't know how else to do it.
		All these other lines are jammed beyond all reason.
		So if you're in Guam, 7 area code 775-727-1222 just as soon as I clear this line.
		And on that line, you're on the air.
		Where are you calling from, sir?
		You don't want to say, do you?
unidentified		No, not necessarily if I can help it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a federal law enforcement officer?
unidentified		Yeah, we're.
		I can verify all this.
		Oh, I'm on the side if you want to get this information without being here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand, sure.
unidentified		We're the federal officer that you've seen unmarked trucks that ride along the government property to keep people out where they shouldn't be.
		Okay.
		Um, I have two quick things to say.
		Uh, One, I had two experiences in my life, one recently and one when I was about 17.
		We had a, oh, it's an old house in Detroit, in an old area.
		And I was the only brave one out of the nine kids that sleeped in a certain part of the house and always had something strange happening.
		And things got worse to the point where I started putting locks on the door.
		Well, one night I went to sleep and I woke up and my door was actually just ripped from the hinges.
		And nothing was missing, but I slept through that, which I'm a very light sleeper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You slept through your door being ripped off the hinges.
unidentified		With four locks on the door.
unidentified		And I never went to that part of the house again, ever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And where did the door end up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, was it on the floor?
unidentified		No, it was just ripped up and laid down.
unidentified		Right there on the floor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		And recently, I was with another officer, and we were going into a closed area.
unidentified		An area where nobody should be whatsoever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And we both went through the gate and we closed the gate behind us and we looked up in front of us.
		He says, do you see what I see?
		Yeah, there's something up there.
		We got the truck and we gunned it and either this person could run about 70 miles an hour or they just got away from us.
		And we were in an area where you can see everything within about four square miles.
		But it's strange that two people can see the same thing.
		And we both looked at each other and says, we got them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
unidentified		Whatever it was, the shadow ran in front of us.
		It was right early, early in the morning before sunrise.
		It ran in front of us for probably about maybe, oh, I'd say a good 400 or 500 yards.
		It was about 1,000 yards in front of us when we went through the gate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're trying to tell me this thing had to be moving at 70 miles an hour.
unidentified		Yeah, because I get it.
		I mean, we were going to get this person or whoever it was and find out what they were doing in this area.
		And we were looking at each other like, we can't believe this is happening.
		And finally, round the corner and there's nobody there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what to tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really appreciate your story.
unidentified		Yeah, I appreciate it.
		We like listening to you guys out there.
		Believe it or not, a lot of us listen to you.
		Thank you.
		You guys really entertain us through tonight and keep up the good work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do believe it.
		Thank you very much, sir.
		All right, that clears that line.
		Now, only Guam on that line.
		See, I've got the feeling it's the only way I'm going to get Guam through here tonight.
		Now, there's yet another law enforcement officer.
		Well, these fellows work at night.
		You know, they work at night, and many times they work in pairs, and they are trained observers.
		So yeah, you give them a little more credibility.
unidentified		Stuff is happening everywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely everywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Is that me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's you.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I lived at a place called...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It depends on...
unidentified		Well, no, the area is known for the world's biggest fig tree.
unidentified		I'll leave it at that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that's okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can tell me where you live.
unidentified		Oh, it's a place called Fig Springs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what state?
unidentified		Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Arizona, okay.
unidentified		Yeah, it's near Cayman.
		All right.
		There's a lot of legends about the area itself.
		But one particular night, my mother and a friend of ours were up there and we're just hanging out in the main trailer.
		We care took, my parents care took the land for the people that owned it.
		And we're just talking about different stuff.
		It was nighttime.
		And I started getting really nervous.
		I was pretty young at the time.
		Started getting very, very nervous, about like I am now, as a matter of fact.
		And the other two people were with us, my mom and the other person, were also getting nervous, but they were trying to pretend like everything was okay because they didn't want to scare me.
		I looked back behind me, and I see a guy lying on the bed in the living room.
		We're in the kitchen, you could see into the living room.
		There's a bed there.
		And he was floating about a foot off the bed.
		And about that time, I said to the people, my mom and the other person, I think we should leave now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Describe this as best you can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Floating, you said.
unidentified		Yeah, he was just lying there nonchalantly like, oh, nothing or just kicking back on the bed, except he wasn't on the bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was above the bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but what I'm trying to get at is in every other way fully materialized?
unidentified		He was partly see-through.
		He wasn't totally solid.
		Yeah.
		He was like partly there, partly not, type of thing.
		I've seen a lot of ghosts before like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you get a chance to check my website, you'll see a picture of a lady halfway through a door.
		And when I say through a door, I don't mean walking through a door.
		I mean I mean coming through a door.
unidentified		Okay.
		I'll be sure and check that out.
		But anyhow, we decided to gather.
		By the way, there were people hung on that fig tree there before it was originally chopped down.
		But anyhow, we left the building and started going down a hill.
		It was pretty dark out.
		We're going down this hill to head to where we stayed in a small travel trailer.
		And we hear a noise, like a clunk, clunk, clunk noise behind us.
		And we tried to look back, but we couldn't see what it was.
		And we just took off running.
		All of a sudden, I freeze.
		I look back and I see way up in the sky.
		I look straight up.
		I see in the sky what looks like a small piece of metal, maybe two foot by three foot piece of metal and like a small tin or aluminum garbage can flying in the air.
		It makes a circle around me and I hear a crash behind one little rock shed that was up there.
		I was frozen in my spot, so one of the other people had to grab me and pull me in the trailer.
		We all compared notes and found out that we were all feeling kind of weird vibes and everything about the area when we were in there.
		So next day, since it was too dark to go out that night, next day we went Out and looked to investigate, see what it was.
		The clonking noise behind us was actually a tin garbage can.
		But the two pieces of metal I saw up in the sky, I mean, this is Arizona.
		We don't get tornadoes that often here.
		And the ground wind was not the bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, what are you saying happened to you?
unidentified		This piece of metal was about the size of an average living room.
		It was two pieces of metal, and what it was was a roof off of a porch shed that was at the trailer.
		Oh, my God.
		After having told the story to several people, we found out that the trailer that that had happened in, someone had gotten shot by the police in.
		They had escaped from something.
		They had ran from the police, and they got shot in there.
		And the person told us, well, we can prove it.
		Go look by the back door, and you'll see bullet holes there.
		So we went and look by the back door.
		There weren't any bullet holes, but there were some pieces of duct tape.
		We started looking under the duct tape, and sure enough, there's bullet holes there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's bullet holes.
unidentified		Oh, brother.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, thank you very much.
		You see, ghosts seem to manifest themselves most frequently from those who either die unexpectedly, die in the middle of a passionate love affair, commit suicide, hang themselves, blow their heads off, that kind of thing.
		Those type of deaths, you know, violent deaths seem to bring this sort of thing.
		Why, I don't know.
		It may be the speed of the death, but if that was true, then you would think that most people that got hit by trucks or walk out into the middle of traffic would be ghosts as well, wouldn't you?
		And yet it appears to be this hand of man violent death, whether it be one's own hand or another hand that produces the entities that stick around.
		So go figure.
		You said the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, this is Mark from St. Louis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Marks.
unidentified		I was listening to your show when I heard one of the police officers call, and he had a story about...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the dog-like creature, yes.
unidentified		Right.
		Okay, well, I got a story similar to that, only it's not a dog, but it has similarities.
		When I was a kid, I grew up in a family of, I was the youngest of five, and I was sharing a bedroom with my sister, who was the second youngest from me.
		I was the youngest, she was the next one up.
		And so I was, I'm going to say maybe, gosh, I don't know, seven or eight years old the first time I saw this thing.
		Yes.
		It's a very distinctive memory for me, and it's hard for me to even talk about it without getting the chills.
		I was asleep, or not quite yet asleep.
		I was in bed.
		My sister was, her bed was in the corner of the bedroom farthest from the door.
		My bed was closest to the door.
		It was dark.
		It was nighttime.
		I have no idea.
		I'm trying to remember how late it was, but I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't matter.
unidentified		Yeah, everybody in the house was asleep.
		The lights were off, and I saw something come through the bedroom door.
		At first, like your picture, only this had no definition on that picture on your website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen that picture?
unidentified		Yeah, you could make out eye sockets and things on your picture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, oh, my God, that thing is easy.
unidentified		I almost thought that door looked like there was something superimposed.
unidentified		It's so, because the door changes color.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's either in that door or coming through it.
unidentified		So this was similar to that.
		Okay, now I'm in a dark bedroom, and I don't know how I can accurately describe this, but I'll give it a shot.
		There's such a thing as darker than, or blacker than night.
		Okay, and that's the best way for me to describe this thing, because your eyes will gradually adjust to even a dark room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		And so I thought I see something really, it was like a black void is the best way I could describe it.
		It was no dimensions.
		It was just a black void.
		It was about where somebody's head would be, that high up on the door.
		And I remember squinting my eyes and opening them again and thinking, you know, what the heck is that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		And I'm looking and it starts coming through a little bit more.
		And what it was, it was this thing's head, okay?
		And it poked its head through just a little bit.
		And on the side of its head, I saw, on the side of its head, I could see like, again, blacker than black, wispy arms coming through.
		Like the hands were being extended, and they were coming through the side, you know, from the side of the head.
		And the head comes in farther, and it looks around in the room.
		And the whole time I'm thinking, am I just, you know, am I seeing things?
		Am I imagining this?
		And the more and more I look at it, I'm getting scared and scareder.
		And it's taking on a form.
		And my sister's asleep, and I'm just, I'm getting scared to death seeing this thing.
		And it finally comes through the door, floats through the door all the way.
		I could see it was smooth-shaped, meaning it didn't look like it had wild hair or anything.
		It was completely black, but the head was round, like a mannequin's would be.
		And I remember seeing arms and a torso.
		You know, I'm peeking through my covers.
		I got my covers probably like up to my nose at this point, you know, looking at this thing.
		And the way I, I'll never forget the way it moved.
		It was like a burglar was, like he would move, like if he was tiptoeing.
		It was very, like, almost stalking the room with the head crouched down and the arms were kind of up in the air.
		And the arms, there were really no hands.
		It just kind of ended in long tendrils.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, long tendrils.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This sounds classically like a shadow person story.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you describe it as blacker than black.
		Blacker than black.
		Something that would be black within a totally dark room.
unidentified		Yes.
		Exactly.
		And there's something I want to describe here because I think this is just as important or prominent as the actual seeing it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		There was, and again, this is from a kid.
		So seven or eight years old, I felt a presence of evil like you would not imagine.
		There was no way, even at that young an age, did I think this was a ghost.
		I mean, I was scared out of my, you know, my shorts.
		To me, this thing was not a spirit of somebody that had come back.
		This thing was, I'm thinking this thing is from hell or something coming up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's, that's, you know, that is why, again, folks, that I'm saying, you know, we call these ghosts, but that's just a name.
		We don't know for sure what they are.
		In some cases, they may be the departed managing to manifest back in on the earthly plane here, right?
		But they might not be human either.
		Many of these things may not be human, and so I'm tending toward the physical manifestation, particularly physical attack type stories, so I can try and get a better grasp of what it is that we're dealing with here.
unidentified		I don't know if that's possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to reiterate that because of the screw-up, and apparently Guam can't get through on the international line, I am going to hold this first-time caller line open for Guam only.
		All right?
		I know you're out there this afternoon trying to get through, so keep trying.
		It's area code 775-727-1222.
		And of course, the lines are totally jammed, but if I need the audience cooperate, do not call that number.
		Let Guam get through, please, on that number.
		Guam only.
		Area code 775-727-1222.
		Otherwise, use any other line.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, we don't have a whole lot of time before the top of the hour, sir.
unidentified		Let me do this real quickly.
		All right.
		I'm a retired sheriff's captain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		One night, the dispatch supervisor ran out of paper in her computer and wanted me to go with her into the courthouse to retrieve some papers.
		She would not go there alone.
		This is an old western courthouse, and which the jail was in the basement.
		A number of people had been hung there, killed themselves there, and she was scared to death of it.
		We went up the front door, which was a double glass door, and unlocked the door.
		And when I opened the door and put my, I had a flashlight, I didn't want to turn lights on.
		And there's a set of stairs, and at the top of the stairs, you like cats, you'll enjoy this, there was a ghost cat standing there.
		And when I shine my light on it, he reared his back up like a cat will and hissed at me and attacked me, ran down the stairs and ran at me, ran up my body, and according to the dispatcher, went through me.
		I didn't see the cat go through me.
		She said it went through me.
		She saw it come out the back end of me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy moly.
unidentified		When I, it, it shocked me so bad.
		I just lost my composure there for a minute.
		I dropped my flashlight.
		I picked the flashlight back up, and I had to turn it back on, and I shined it up to the top of the stairs, and there was a man standing there.
		A ghostly-looking man.
		And he just slowly dissipated and went away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what to say about that.
unidentified		This cat just scared me to death.
		I mean, it was not a physical cat.
		It was a.
		She told me that from that day forward, she'd never go back in there again.
		And she said that was the first time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't blame her.
		I wouldn't do it either.
		In fact, I'd probably quit, go find another job, or even transfer or something.
		Listen, I got to go.
		We're up here at the top of the hour.
		I appreciate your call.
		Thank you very much, officer, and take care.
		So many law enforcement officers, people who are trained to observe things.
		A cat that attacks and kisses, arches its back, attacks you and jumps right through.
unidentified		Aye aye, yeah.
		inside, but you don't need too many faces.
		Coming in.
		Coming in.
		Some bell this morning when I'm praying I'm gonna open up your gate And maybe tell you about the lauders And how she gave me life
		And how she made it in Some bells that it mordered in an island tree Flowers flowing on a hill Blood and flies and God forbid
		Life on earth, very much Not that I, but you know that Better is my name To reach ourselves in the Kingdom of Nye, from west of the Rockies, dial 1-800-6188255.
		East of the Rockies, 1-800-825-5033.
		First time callers may rechart at 1-775-727-1222.
		Or use the wildcard line at 1-775-727-1295.
		To rechart on the toll-free international line, call your AT ⁇ T operator and have them dial 800-893-0903.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell on the Premier Radio Networks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be me.
		Good morning, everybody.
		This actually is Ghost to Ghost AM.
		And in the interest of somebody who's paying for a call, I'm going directly to our Guam line, actually the first time hauler line.
		Hello there.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hi there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, you're in Guam, huh?
unidentified		I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I guess you're on Guam, not in Guam.
unidentified		Thank you.
		I always say I'm on Guam.
		I think it sounds Listening to KGUM?
		Yeah, K-57.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it, K-57.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess it's what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's Saturday evening there by now, huh?
unidentified		It is.
unidentified		The sun is now starting to set.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it is starting to go down now.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what's up?
unidentified		Well, I'm really sorry that True Tomorrow didn't get through here first.
		Hopefully more will come in.
		Ghost stories are, or spirit stories might be more accurate, are very much a part of the culture here and are experienced very regularly on islands.
		They're usually referred to as the Sao Tamona, which I believe literally translated means the original one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, isn't that interesting?
		I lived on Okinawa for 10 years, and that was a very, very haunted island.
		There's something about islands, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Yeah, well, and there's quite a, certainly a lot of violence has taken place here and on this island and probably on Okinawa as well.
		You were mentioning earlier you didn't use the word violence, but.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, there was a lot of violence here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People were burned in caves on Okinawa.
unidentified		Sure.
		And not much different here.
		It's kind of scary.
		But there's also something called the duendus, which is really more.
		It was so intense.
		And I couldn't believe this was happening to me instantly, like the last caller who said that he prayed to Jesus and he tried to get something.
		Nothing happened.
		Well, that wasn't the case for me.
		I prayed to Jesus and I prayed to the Lord and I asked them to cast whatever it was out of my room and it took no longer than 10.
		It felt like an hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it smelled really bad.
unidentified		My rotten eggs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My rotten eggs.
		Okay, well, we're going to dub that one the Mr. Hinky Monster.
		It hovered over him.
		And it was foul.
		That's actually scary stuff, you know.
		I mean, it's really scary stuff.
		What are these things?
		What are these things?
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		How's it going?
unidentified		Yeah, I have an entity attack story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You too, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I've got this special entity attack line, and you guys, there's so many of them, you're leaking into my other lines.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Well, you know, it's amazing to think, though, that how common I think it actually is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Apparently.
unidentified		Yeah, it's, I think, well, I have a theory on what happened, but first, let me tell you what happened to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Okay, when I was about eight, probably about eight years old, I remember I was at a house that I was living at with my grandparents and my father and his ex-wife to me.
		Well, I was in the room, okay, and I was scared, you know, just basically because of the dark.
		I didn't like sleeping in the dark.
		So then my dad left the front door of the bedroom door open with the hall light on so that I wouldn't be quite as afraid.
		Well, I began to lay down, and I remember I was still, you know, kind of scared, and I laid there for a while, and I remember feeling afraid still, but I hit my head under the covers, you know, like kids do.
		But I was too afraid to go to sleep.
		So I know I was 100% awake.
		And I felt a presence, like I have through my life many times, actually, but I felt this presence.
		And I was on a bunk bed, and I was on the top bunk.
		And whatever this was, of course, I believe it was a spirit, well, it pushed me on my chest.
		Now, when it pushed me on my chest, it didn't just push me, and I felt a push.
		I mean, it pushed me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if I'd been on the bottom bunk, I would have seen this giant indentation forming, right, as it touched up.
unidentified		And you would have also heard the thump that came when I bounced off the bed and hit the ceiling directly from it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You hit the ceiling.
unidentified		I hit the ceiling because it was really close to the ceiling, anyways, and it was a pretty bouncy mattress.
		But when it pushed me, and I bounced, and I hit the ceiling, I remember I was so frozen with fear, you know, and I could barely yell.
		But when I finally was able to, man, man, my dad, he knew I was like scared.
		So he came in there, and I told him something pushed me.
		And I told him that it hurt my chest, and so he opened up my chest, and you know, it's funny with all the stories that you've had on your programs of people saying that there are handprints and things.
		Well, sure enough, I had two handprints on my chest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, bro.
unidentified		Which is weird, you know, because it's like...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not weird because it verifies what you just said.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did your dad say?
unidentified		Well, my dad and my family, I mean, I don't mean to sound, you know, like everybody's got their ghost stories and stuff, but my family, we've been very open to these types of occurrences, but, you know, it's like...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		But I think I do.
		I do know that they are personally from within, but that's just something different.
		I myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or you believe from within, you know, the monster of the id.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you created this thing yourself.
unidentified		Well, my perception itself of its existence.
		Like, in other words, why would it actually have the Ability to physically assault somebody if it's not physical.
		I believe it's because of the awareness of what it wants to do.
		And sometimes, if you are fearful, like a child often is, then it plays on fear, and that which is of fear becomes and manifests into physical.
		See what I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I see exactly what you mean, and I think that that's entirely possible, that the amount of fear is actually able, an emotion, is able to generate that which is feared.
		It builds on itself, and it feeds on itself, and you create it.
		Yes, exactly.
		That's as good an explanation as any.
unidentified		And perfect love, you know, it's been said in the Bible, you know, not that I'm a Bible thumper, but, you know, it's like I can see validity in all religions.
		By faith I'm a Christian, but I couldn't see Jesus giving Buddha a black eye, you know.
		But I think without a doubt, hands down, that perfect love, as it says, casts out fear, but I think perfect love comes through being wise through the years, right?
		And basically through growing as a human being.
		But when you're a child, you're naive and you're sensitive to these things.
		And that's why it comes to children a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you know perfect love without having experienced perfect fear, perfect anger, perfect depression?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, in other words, can you understand perfect love until you've been the other place?
unidentified		Well, you know, believe it or not, my personal feel on that is that when you actually feel perfect love and when you experience it and you find it, of course it does come through rising above not being perfect.
		But see, rising above not being perfect has to come through serious pain.
		It's a medicine of the soul.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I think too, sir.
		Thank you very, very much for the call.
		I just don't think you could know it and certainly not appreciate it unless you had experienced the opposite.
		On my entity attack line, you are on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yeah.
		I'm Richard in Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Richard.
unidentified		About 1979, I was sleeping here beside my wife.
		I woke up.
		Something was pushing me down onto the mattress.
		And I couldn't see anything.
		I could see the ceiling and all.
		And I was desperate.
		I couldn't breathe.
		I couldn't yell.
		I tried to yell, and all had come out was a little bitty squeak on my voice.
		And I was frantic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it like hands pressing?
unidentified		Oh, it was a weight on my entire body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So an overall weight.
unidentified		Overall weight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I struggled, I struggled, and struggled harder, and I was getting desperate for breath.
		And I must have struggled harder or something.
		It just gave up because when it quit, when it lit up, the mattress rose an inch or two, and then it was gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you had not struggled against it, what do you think would have happened?
unidentified		I have no idea.
unidentified		I was in a panic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure you were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you didn't consider what might have occurred.
unidentified		Well, no.
unidentified		Do you mean given in to it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, or not, just not struggled.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps somebody else might have imagined they couldn't struggle against something like this, and they would have just submitted.
unidentified		I don't know.
		I know it was heavier than I am.
		I weighed 200.
		Right away.
		Can I mention one more thing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That sound you have with a Bigfoot?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That's not a Bigfoot.
		That's a U.S. Navy sonar.
		Well, people are...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but how do I know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it more?
unidentified		I know the sound.
unidentified		I'm a retired chief sonarman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard that sound.
		Believe me, I've heard this, but we have providence on this sound, sir.
		In other words, we know who recorded it where they were in the woods, not under sea.
		A lot of people have said it sounds like sonar, and I understand that it does sound a little bit like that.
		But trust me when I tell you we have the providence on this tape, and that it is not sonar.
		We know who recorded it and where.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art?
unidentified		Yes.
		Well, you cut me off on the other line, but I have an attack story, but I wasn't alone.
		I had someone with me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
unidentified		Well, I was with my girlfriend in the desert, and this happened in March of 1993.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what happened?
unidentified		Well, I was observing some lights about 100 miles away coming from the south, going due north.
		Looked like it was coming from San Diego up over Palm Springs.
		And I observed this for about 10 minutes.
		I called my girlfriend's attention to this.
		We were camping out near 29 Palms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And I did my last year and a half in the Navy at Topcon.
		There's so many aircraft flying around down there, it's hard to keep track of them.
		This one got my attention, and I couldn't tell you exactly why, but, and this sounds bizarre, but I've never told anyone this story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've got less than a minute, so.
unidentified		Well, I'm dying to know if there's other people that had something like this happen.
		But this ball, this light ball, came out of this large craft, and it came right up in front of us about 48 inches away.
		It was about the size of a basketball.
		It was extremely brilliant.
		It looked like the end of a sparkler.
		And it literally, I could feel it scan my brain quickly.
		And then it went to my girlfriend and it spent some time with her and then it left.
		It shot up into the sky and went back to this large craft.
		She was very traumatized by this and spent about eight months in therapy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, that's some story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you, you sound okay, huh?
unidentified		Well, we were frightened to death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, I believe me, I understand.
		All right, thank you very much.
		From a craft, a ball, a light, scanning the brain, and then...
		I'm Art Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast AM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you should see some of the fast blasts that I'm getting tonight.
		Shelly in California writes, I was attacked by a spirit who plunged a butcher knife into my pillow and then told me what he wanted.
		Shelly, you should fast blast me your phone number.
		No one else will see it, just me.
		And I'll call you and we'll get that story on the air.
		So if you have a similar story, and it's really a very, very good one, you know, you can fast blast me a phone number and I'd be more than happy to get hold of you.
		In the meantime, the lines are jammed, so the odds of any single person making it through are, you know, somewhat slim.
		On my entity attack line, you are on the air.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hello there.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm well, I'm okay.
unidentified		Good, sir.
unidentified		Mr. Paul Collins from KFTE.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sacramento?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sacramento, right?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I'm a system pastor in church.
unidentified		Six feet nine, 370 pounds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are six feet nine, 370?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aye, aye, aye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're not like a bouncer for the church, right?
unidentified		Oh, no, sir.
		Of course not.
		This is what happened, sir.
		Even I don't believe it, but it happened.
		Matter of fact, it happened this year in March.
		I was in bed sleeping.
		They say, you know, of course they have a specialized California king-size bed to sleep in.
		I'm so big.
		However, it went through, right through the door.
		That entity.
		It went right through the door.
		I'm looking right at it.
		And it's coming right towards me.
		And just about, I'm getting ready to leap on it because I thought it was someone who's, you know, broken the house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
unidentified		And when I looked at it, I said, whoa, no face.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No face.
unidentified		Yes, very bad.
		No face.
		It wasn't walking.
		It was gliding towards me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gliding, another bad sign.
		No hands.
		Real bad.
unidentified		And it said, I'm going to get you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
unidentified		I said, I'm sorry, but you're not going to get me.
		Oh, and all of a sudden, it stopped.
		It reversed, floated.
		He said, if I'm not going to get you, I'm going to get your wife.
		He went towards my wife, grabbed her ankles, threw her off the bed onto the floor.
		It hit her head and whole body hit the floor.
		Big loud thump.
		Immediately I got up and I wanted to just, of course, beat the hell out of whatever it was.
		Immediately, as soon as I turned the light on, it was gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your wife?
unidentified		And my wife.
		On her ankles, she's a very light-skinned woman.
		And there was two marks, I should say not two, but two hand imprints, eight in total.
		And like imprints of a hand.
		And immediately, we're looking at it up her, this is on the ankle now, up, going up from the ankle towards her middle inner thigh, it started to bleed.
		This skin started to bleed.
		Immediately, of course, I applied pressure on it and stopped.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was there a physical cut, you know, a reason for the bleeding, or was this just blood through the skin?
unidentified		This is just a blood coming from and through the skin.
unidentified		No cut at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy moly.
unidentified		And it's amazing because, remember, this happened in March of this year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I'm a heart patient.
unidentified		A month later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're lucky to still be alive now.
unidentified		That's correct.
		A month later, I was in the hospital in San Francisco.
		And the same thing happened to me again.
		I was supposed to be there for a couple days.
		I was there for three weeks in the hospital.
		What happened was on the third night, my heart stopped.
		Yeah, it just stopped.
		I didn't know it stopped.
		because immediately off to the right, there was the same enemy again.
		It reminded me of a headless...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Headless horseman?
unidentified		Yes.
		I mean, nothing.
		I mean, the hood, the hood, no face.
		And it said, it's time to come with me now.
		I looked at him.
		I said, I'm not scared of you, whoever you are, and I'm not coming with you.
		Immediately it said that it was coming towards me.
		And then, automatically, the nurse or the doctor was putting those two, let's call it stuff to paddles on my chest.
		Immediately I woke up.
		And I said, what happened?
		They said, I went into heart failure, and my heart stopped for the last eight seconds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Holy smokes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, you don't have to answer this if you don't want to, but I am curious, what kind of life have you led?
unidentified		Afterwards?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no.
		No, no.
		Previously.
unidentified		What type of life?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, in other words, well, let me sort of lay it out this way.
		It seems as though at critical moments, you're having encounters with folks that aren't likely to lead you to the up escalator.
		And I'm just kind of curious what kind of life you led.
unidentified		Oh, got married, wow, a year out of college.
		I'm 45 years old now.
		Went from, I played professional football for one year, had to stop because of the heart.
		I was born with a heart problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who did you play for?
unidentified		Seattle, Seahawks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You played for the Seahawks?
unidentified		Yes, uh-huh.
		And then, after I got waived, I watched from Hawaii.
		So I went to Hawaii, and I got hired over there on a very prominent bank over there.
		I stayed there for the last, wow, 18, 19 years.
		Let's get back recently.
		Again, the heart started to act up again.
		That's why I had to get out of that banking environment.
		I was left as senior vice president of the bank.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Banking's probably as bad as professional football for the hard.
unidentified		Yep, it is.
		But uh it's just again uh I've been listening to the program the last fifteen years and and I I was declined to call because uh this this is true.
		I can't believe it.
		I mean it only happened once.
		It happened twice.
		And it's very very very I wasn't scared.
		It's just my wife is petrified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would have done the trick for me.
		What's it like listening to other people with you know somewhat similar stories?
		Well must be strange.
		I mean I'm sure a lot of people think this only happens to them and maybe in the movies.
unidentified		Oh no again I remember I used to be an assistant pastor in the church.
		Right.
		Had stock of the heart.
		I heard many, many stories in the church.
		I went to a went to a with Catholic past I'm sorry, I'm going to call those guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could have been a bishop.
unidentified		Yeah, it could have been about five years ago to help assist him exorcise a person.
		And I firmly believe that that whatever it was was probably following me because the person took about a long time to get that energy out of the particular individual.
		And it was very, very nerve-wracking because it takes a lot of years to go through this training.
		And at the time, again, I had the heart problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope in the future, any future crisis you have brings something a little brighter to light your way, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much for the call.
unidentified		Oh, you're welcome, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care.
		Wow.
		You just, you know, you never know.
		I mean, when you open up these kinds of lines, you never know what you're going to get.
		And we're definitely getting our money's worth tonight.
		I had no idea that there really were so many, there are so many of you out there that have been attacked in such a violent way.
		It's astounding.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, I went to Job Corps back in the early 80s and met a guy that told me stories about how him and his family were severely attacked by demons all the time and that his little brother and stuff would end up with black eyes and just bad luck all the time.
		I mean, it was horrible the way he described his life.
		They'd be like driving out of the parking lot and the wheels would fall off their cars and just numerous accounts of just horrible encounters with different type of entities in their home and stuff.
		And we were talking one night and all of a sudden, out of the blue, right up in the little corner of the room, it was like there were tens of thousands of angels in a circle looking down on us.
		It was like all these eyes were just beaming down on us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I know this sounds really freaky, but I'm telling you, at the same time, we both seen it and just chills just went up and down our body.
		And it was the most frightening thing.
		I mean, it was frightening, but in another sense, it was kind of...
		It may have been.
		But I tell you, and when I was, me and my brother were children, we used to get visited by this woman called the Dostoll Woman.
		She used to climb down out of the attic from the closet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She lived or appeared in, Yeah, she came down out of the attic every night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every night?
unidentified		Yeah, and she would look at us and stuff.
		She was a dark figure.
		And I mean, you talk about two scared kids.
		We were horrified.
		Our hair would stand up on the back of our necks and just goosebumps all over us.
		And we would try to scream, and you couldn't get nothing out, you know, because you were so horrified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did she want?
unidentified		I don't know.
		We told our mom and dad about it.
		And our mom, she kind of believed us, but our dad, you know, he always was real skeptical.
		He didn't believe anything.
		And one night it sounded like somebody was setting the table in the dining room with knives, forks, spoons, plates, just like somebody was setting the table like about 2.30 in the morning.
		And my brother and I, we were petrified, you know, because we had this room right off the dining room.
		And my mom and dad were in the front of the house.
		And we were witnessing all this stuff.
		And we could see like two legs, white legs.
		Do you know what I mean?
		Like the pajamas of the old-fashioned pajamas?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Yeah, with the like lace around the bottom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
unidentified		Now we would see two legs jumping over the table back and forth and then walk around the table and you can hear plates and stuff being set out on the table.
		Then the spirit would come through the doorway there into our room and walk around our bed and grab our legs and stuff.
		And it was just horrible.
		I mean, we were petrified kids for a long time.
		We live with this, you know, and this is the first time I've ever told anybody, you know, and I know a lot of people are hearing this right now, but...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's not something you would...
unidentified		Yeah, and I tell you, we've had so many things happen, Art.
		I could go on and on and on.
		Well, you.
		We're the ones that had the rocks raining on us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The rocks raining on you.
unidentified		Yes, this is very true.
unidentified		In California, Missouri, it rained rocks on us for three days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, I know.
		Someone else gave us that a little while ago.
		I find that, you know, I have a hard time with that one.
		Three days of rocks.
		Should have had lots of pictures, huh?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello?
		Hello.
		Okay, I wasn't sure if it was me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Hickson, Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		My name is Mary.
		I've been listening to you for a long time.
		How's your back, by the way?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, Mary, it's better than it's been in a long, long time.
unidentified		Good.
		I'm glad.
		We missed you.
		Well, I did anyway.
		Thank you.
		I wanted to talk to you about the attacks also.
		All my life, myself and my family have been attacked by things.
		Most of the time, it's in the bed or in the bedroom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, that seems to be almost, almost a constant.
unidentified		In fact, one night something was grabbing my hand like it was trying to pull me out of bed.
		Oh.
		And another night, I woke up, I couldn't breathe, and I just saw two red eyes and this black figure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Red eyes.
unidentified		Red eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hate red eyes.
unidentified		I don't like them either.
		It scared me.
		And that happened more than once.
		I couldn't breathe.
		I couldn't scream.
		I couldn't move.
		It was like a battle of wills.
		That's the only way I could describe it.
		It was a battle of will to get this thing off of me.
		I have had out-of-body experiences, and I've been chased by them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now I really like to ask this question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you hadn't resisted, if you had let this thing, this black thing with red eyes, proceed to what it was going to do, if you'd been frozen in fear and couldn't have moved, what do you think would have happened?
unidentified		Well, I was frozen, but it wasn't in fear.
		I just couldn't move.
		But I think it was trying to take me over.
		I believe this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Possession.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And it's not just myself this has happened to.
		It's happened to my husband.
		It's happened to a couple of my brothers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the thing about possession is we have no way of knowing how many possessed people there are.
		I mean, it may well be that the changes in personality, at least in the beginning, are fairly subtle.
		But the possession increasingly takes control once it occurs.
		And how would we ever know, any of us here on Earth, how many are really possessed?
unidentified		I don't know about anyone else, but I've always, I can feel if there's something wrong with people.
unidentified		And I can usually see it in their aura.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there certainly are people where, you know, you just immediately know something is really wrong.
unidentified		I believe my father was possessed because he was one of the most evil men I ever met in my life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your own father.
unidentified		My own father.
		I believe he was possessed because he enjoyed hurting people.
		And he didn't care who knew.
		And he was charismatic.
		He was like the devil incarnate himself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean in other ways he was charismatic?
unidentified		Yeah.
		He could be cruel and mean, and nobody seemed to see it.
		Even though he was being mean and cruel to them.
		It's like they couldn't tell.
		But I've always had a sense about it, and people that are like that, I just, I can't be around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The satin shiv, you know.
unidentified		I don't know what it is, but I'm real sensitive to, I guess, spirits and things.
		I see things.
		I know things.
		Scary things.
		I know when people are going to die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you do?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say, maybe it simply runs in the family.
unidentified		Well, I think a lot of it has to do with the Indian background in our family.
		Oh.
		Because Indians tend to be more inclined to be open to spirits.
		And I believe my mother, her family was, her line was medicine woman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've got a pretty serious background there.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so I guess that accounts for a lot of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder why she, though, with her sensitivity, ended up marrying a man who had this incredible mean streak.
unidentified		Well, hers was more in the healing arts.
		She could heal with anything.
		She had a lot of the used a lot of the Indian ways to heal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But why would she have been attracted to such a mean man?
unidentified		I'm not sure.
unidentified		I think it was she was her second husband, and he promised to take care of her and her family and treat her kids as if they were his own.

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