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Oct. 30, 1998 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Ghost to Ghost 1998 Ghost Stories (partial)
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I woke in the early morning to see someone kneeling beside my bed, staring at me.
I could see the outline, a smoky outline, of a man, almost transparent, with an expressionless face.
To my disbelief, I closed and opened my eyes, repeatedly thinking that I must have been dreaming, only I continued to see the figure, kneeling and staring at me.
Frightened, I threw two quick punches at my intruder's head.
I have a black belt in Karate only to see my fists and arms pass straight through this entity as it slowly drifted back into the night.
Obviously, I was frightened and confused.
Was I dreaming?
Earlier this week, I was again awakened in the middle of the night by someone or something grabbing at my wrist.
So I shot up in bed and again saw the smoky outline of my visitor.
This time it was holding my arm and staring directly at me.
No time to react as the figure slowly, simply faded into the dark again.
Was I dreaming?
Convinced this might all be in my head, I only told two of my closest friends about the ordeal.
That was until last night, you see.
I was at a school function.
Sitting with many of my fellow students, when the conversation turned to the supernatural, that's when one of my classmates embarrassingly admitted that he and his roommate believe there is an entity visiting their apartment.
Though they haven't seen the ghost, apparently their visitor makes itself known by moving objects around the apartment and knocking other items over.
Couldn't believe what I heard turned white as chills ran down my spine.
You must understand, Art.
The two students who told us that story live in the apartment across the hall.
Directly across the hall from mine.
I don't know if I'm gonna have time to get this in or not.
It's from a police officer.
He says, uh, here's my ghost story, Art.
I'm a cop.
When I was 13, we lived in an old church parsonage.
On the Saline Seward County line in Nebraska, the church and the small country cemetery was just south of the house.
My bedroom was on the southwest corner of the house.
One November night, near Thanksgiving, I had just turned out the light from reading.
It was an earful moon out.
I could see the church and cemetery like daylight.
I lay back in my bed, which was inches from the door, as was the light switch.
I was facing the door when I heard footsteps coming up the stairs.
I assumed it was my dad.
It was not unusual for him to check on me.
I like to stay up.
He'd admonish me to get to sleep.
I'd stay up and read.
I heard steps coming closer, feigned sleep, but kept my eyes partly open.
As the steps entered my room, I saw not my dad, but a shadowy figure.
Tall.
Male.
No features.
I repeat, no features.
It had a white collar.
The moonlight in my room, almost like a nightlight, should have been able to see any face if it was there, but it was just shadow.
I about filled my drawers.
I walked toward the window, stood there as if looking at the church.
It was a solid figure as the moonlight didn't shine through it.
It turned, started back toward the door.
Now me, I pulled the covers over my head and shook until I fell asleep.
Several years later, when I was an adult, my dad and I were driving about having barbie bops.
We drove by the house, the church.
I asked dad if anything strange had ever happened there.
My dad told me this story.
When he was, uh, when it was cold, often when it was cold, we'd shut the sliding doors to the large parlor so we wouldn't have to heat it.
Dad would often wake to pounding on the sliding doors.
They were taped shut.
He actually, on occasion, would see the doors Move as they were pounded on.
You know, the old, uh, you've seen it in the movies, right?
Boom, ploom, ploom.
Door bows in, that kind of thing.
I just wanna, uh, it just goes on and on.
Uh... In other words, his dad had, uh, uh, seen the same thing.
I'm just, I'm, there's not gonna be enough time for me to finish this story, but, uh, uh... There is another case, you see, of...
An independent confirmation.
As I said earlier, a lot of people think, you know, they see these things, they experience these things, and they don't want to talk about them for obvious reasons.
Because somebody's, you know, you're afraid somebody will think you're nuts, right?
Well, you're not nuts.
And so tonight you will hear stories, and we're about to go to the phones, from people who I can assure you, Most of them are not nuts.
Now, of course, there could be a few, but most of them are not nuts at all.
What's happening is real.
A couple of these photographs, and one in particular, totally freaks me out.
Again, on my website, artbill.com.
What's new?
A second photo down at the moment.
There's a woman coming right through a closed door, and she's right in the middle of it.
Now, this one, this one does it for me.
You know, you hear the stories, and you will tonight, of people saying that these things come through walls and come through ceilings, but to get a photograph of it...
This one's really creepy, folks.
All right, here we go.
First time caller line, you are first on Ghost2Ghost this night.
Hello.
Hey, Art.
Hey.
How you doing?
Okay, where are you?
I am calling from Chicago, WLS.
Of course.
Yes, sir.
Well, I was doing an antique show in Texas, and on the way back, I went to visit my sister's house in St.
Bernard Parish, right outside of New Orleans.
And so she was taking me on like a tour that most people don't go on showing the interesting
stuff.
And she goes, oh I got to show you this, I got to show you this.
It's the Lebeau Plantation House.
We drove by it and it's owned by a fairly famous sugar company.
Any grocery store that you would go into you see sugar packages.
So they ended up buying up this plantation and the property next door.
And it's all boarded up.
The place looks real spooky and everything like that.
She starts telling me the stories about this.
And the first thing that I said after she started telling me this is, we have got to go in there.
And she started laughing going, ever since I moved here, I've been waiting for you to get down here because I've been wanting to sneak in.
So in other words, you would intentionally go into such an environment?
As crazy as it sounds, yes.
Okay, fine.
So, you and who went?
Me, my sister, and my wife.
Now, we're all adults, but we're all kids, you know what I mean?
Yeah, I do.
Alright.
So, a couple days later, it rained for a couple nights, so we couldn't do it.
But a few days later, we got some good weather, and we were armed with a towel and a flashlight.
That's good armor, yes.
Towel and a flashlight, yes.
It's funny because the people that live around here, if they're listening to the show, they'll know exactly what we're talking about.
I should probably tell you the history of this place first.
I'd rather just kind of get to what happened.
We go behind VFW Hall, which is back behind this place, and we've got to go a roundabout way to sneak over the fence, and this, that, and the other, and it's kind of like right out of an X-Files episode, you know?
Going through sugar tankards in the middle of the night, standing too high, and all this stuff.
We get into the house, finally, and I'd like to say that we didn't really destroy anything, except like a little 8-inch board trying to get in, but we get into this place, and it's huge!
And there's like eight rooms on the bottom floor.
And so we start making our way around and we're looking for a staircase.
And you have to imagine that we're not supposed to be there.
I understand that you did this voluntarily.
And also we're trespassing and, you know, so we're more afraid of security than we are of goats.
I've got the picture.
And so one of the first things that happened, and this was really bizarre, okay, because I'm pointing the flashlight down at the ground, I'm using the towel to kind of like block out the light so we're not lighting up an entire room at a time, but only a little bit so that we're not going to be seen from the outside.
Yes.
Now, my wife and my sister saw this better than I did.
I saw it out of the corner of my eye, but they saw it.
Just tell me what happened.
A flashing light shot across the room, but in like a swooping motion going upwards and then down and then back up again.
Like in Ghostbusters.
Yeah, it just shot across.
Now, I only saw it out of the corner of my eye, and they saw it, so I turned out the flashlight, because I'm thinking somebody's You know, security's coming, they're flashing a light, everything.
Oh yeah, sure.
Of course you wouldn't think that.
So we're like, shh, be quiet, be quiet, be quiet.
And we all go, we go stand by the doors, and we're looking out.
The doors are boarded up, but you know, there's places where you can see out, and we're looking to see, and we're like three, four hundred yards from it, from, in any direction, from anything.
And?
And so we're just standing there being quiet and my sister goes,
I just saw a light up in the, through the floorboards and the ceiling above us.
She goes, I just saw a light up there.
I went, get out.
And I'm looking up and then I see it in a different place.
And there's like light coming through the floorboards, but yet there's like big holes here and there and the holes
weren't illuminated at all.
Just little cracks of light.
I mean, really.
Not coming from everywhere. Okay, I get it.
Really, really bizarre.
Okay.
So then we go on and I'm like, nah, nah, nah.
Cause you know, we, you're sitting there, you're saying none of this is happening.
You know, you're just, you're just paranoid and all this stuff.
And, um, so we go walking.
About 30 seconds, sir.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Uh, we go around to the, we'll make the first pass on the first floor.
And then we noticed that we couldn't find the staircase.
So we started going through again the second time through, um, This is the weirdest thing.
We heard... I mean, this sounds like a classic haunting type of thing, but I swear it sounded like... You know, like a large metal-handled door and something swinging closed.
The wind started blowing and everything's boarded up.
But, and it dropped, like, we could hear wind outside, but it dropped like 20 degrees.
And everybody just freaked, because we thought we were, once again, we thought we were busted.
Not that there were ghosts or anything like that.
Okay, we're at about the end of the time here.
Oh, that's a shame, because it gets better and better.
Well, it's going to have to do it real quick.
Um, well, basically, I go over by the... The end all be all is we heard, um, what sounded like the voices of, like, slaves.
And where was this again, please?
Alright, uh, there was a, uh, there was a slave route.
Uh, when I lived in Maryland once, place called Blue Ridge Summit.
Uh, we lived in a very large house, uh, at the time.
In fact, uh, the house we lived in, it was, my mom called it early Victorian.
Uh, Halloween.
Early Halloween.
It was, uh, an old house, but it had 35 rooms.
35 rooms.
And I, of course, I had appropriated one of the top rooms in the house for my ham shack.
And it was on a route, uh, where they had, uh, sent slaves, you know, and they would send slaves from the southern part of the country to the northern part of the country, and there were certain, like, safe houses for the slaves, and this was one of them, and so we had, in this house, it was a creepy house that I lived in, we had secret passageways, and so it was really cool as a child, because, man, there were secret passageways that went around almost every room in the house.
Totally secret passageways.
Now, the story was they had been used, uh, to hide slaves in their trek north.
You know, it would be a stopping off point, but man, that was one weird house I lived in.
Place called Blue Ridge Summit.
Uh, Pennsylvania, Maryland.
The, uh, the Miss Dixon line actually ran right through the house.
Actually ran through the house.
Amazing.
Uh, Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello?
Yes.
Oh, oh, hi.
Yeah, this is Pat from Southwest Florida.
Yes, Pat.
Uh, I'm a retired New York City Fire, Fireman, Fire Lieutenant.
New York City Fire Lieutenant.
Oh, okay.
That's correct, yeah.
Yes, sir.
Uh, and this concerns a story, uh, regarding a ghost story that I heard.
This is not a first-hand story, but, uh, this week, uh, this, um, Uh-huh.
was about Rescue One, which at the time was on 43rd Street between 8th and 9th Avenue.
And the story was related to me by a firefighter at the time, just about 1977.
Can't remember the guy's last name. His first name was Chris.
And he was listening. He comes from Glencove, Long Island.
But at any rate, he told me this story that on the second floor of this particular firehouse
on 43rd Street, Rescue One, it's the bunk room.
You know, on the first floor you have the fire truck and the kitchen and what have you.
Sure.
On the second floor you have the bunk room.
And he said that one night he went up there between, about 2.15 in the morning, and he, you know, between runs, Yeah, you can go into the bed, you know.
Can I ask a stupid question?
Sure.
Lieutenant, in those firehouses, you know, the old-fashioned thing was that there was this sliding pole between one floor and another and you would see firemen sliding down it.
Did that exist?
Oh sure, of course.
Really?
Of course, yeah.
They had two of them in each house.
In this particular house, David, too.
One up front and one in the back.
I always wondered if that was real, normal, or just sort of a media thing, you know?
Oh, no, no, that's absolutely true.
It's okay, alright.
Absolutely true.
And after any New York City fireman, or any fireman, I suppose, for that matter, they would certainly know this, you know?
Okay.
At the time, I was assigned to pull a truck, which was on 48th and 8th.
48th Street, 8th Avenue.
Anyway, he told me this story, and he said that this one particular night, Um, he went up to, uh, into the, uh, into the bed and he was lying on his stomach.
And by the way, this, this particular bunk room is extremely dark, or it was extremely dark.
Right.
Pitch black.
I mean, you couldn't see your, your hand in front of your face.
And the only, the only thing you could see was the luminescent light up on the wall.
And, um, He looked up and he saw it was about three o'clock or so, something like that.
And then all of a sudden he felt a pressure on his ankles.
Like somebody grabbing his ankles.
Oh.
You know?
Yes.
And then they moved up towards his calves and so on and so forth, you know?
And he thought maybe it was one of the guys just, you know, playing a trick or, you know, goofing on him, you know?
Yeah.
And he said, when the guy got up to the back of his thighs, he said, that's it.
I'm not putting up with this.
Right.
And he jumped up and he turned on the lights in the bunk room, which was pitch black.
And there was absolutely nobody there.
And everybody else was fast asleep.
Yeah, well, this is part of what I've never understood and part of what I was after tonight.
You know, I can understand that there could be a ghost or there could be an entity of some sort, but how they actually physically manifest in this world and attack people and do things like you're talking about, that one I don't get.
Well, you know, I saw this guy twice afterwards.
And I said, Chris, I said, were you telling me the truth about that story?
Right.
And he said, I absolutely was.
But let me tell you one thing.
Let me go a little further with this.
Sure.
OK?
So the next morning, he got up and he related the story to the lieutenant on duty that morning.
Right.
And he said, hey, you know, something happened last night.
It was really weird.
And they checked the records, and it turns out Um, something like 20 years before, like 19... I don't know, 1957, something like that.
New York City Fire Department keeps long records, huh?
Oh, of course!
I mean, records back to the... So, 20... Oh, okay, so 20... So, anyway, they found out that at that particular hour and that particular date, there was a fireman in Rescue 1 Who was between tours.
In other words, he wasn't on duty.
Right.
He was between tours.
Right.
They had a fire.
This guy went to the fire.
Between tours.
He wasn't officially on duty.
Came back to the firehouse.
Went up to that particular rack.
That particular bed.
And died.
Of a heart attack.
Oh my god.
Really?
Uh, at the exact time, 2020, is it?
Yes.
Oh, my.
And it was documented.
And, and, from what he told me, the, the widow of the, of the firefighter, and I don't know his name, but the widow of the firefighter never received any compensation.
So that, you know, there was a... So, well, then you could imagine a motive, perhaps, for the haunting.
I don't know, is that what you're saying?
Well, who knows?
Who knows?
Yeah, who knows?
You know, at first when I heard the story, I said, oh man, that's kind of hard to believe, you know?
But, you know, again, I told you, I saw the guy and I said, Chris, was that really a true story?
He said, I swear it was true!
And P.S., Rescue 1 on 43rd Street between 8th and 9th Uh, burned down.
Around, uh, I'm not sure of the exact year.
I think it was about 1979, 1980.
It was a tremendous fire.
It was in daily news.
Wow.
But it burned down and it, uh, it was a tremendous fire.
Totally took the place out, you know?
Well, oh brother.
Lieutenant, thank you.
Okay.
Take care.
Uh, there's a fire, Lieutenant.
You see what I mean?
The part that I'm struggling to understand, and I guess I'm going to keep saying this, is how do these entities that no longer possess a physical body manifest physical things?
I mean, how can they be touching you, choking you, scratching you, affecting you physically in any way at all in this dimension?
Remember, they don't have a physical body anymore, right?
So, how did these stories... How does it happen?
Oh, east of the Rockies?
You're on the air.
Hello.
Hello?
Yes, sir.
Oh, great.
You're talking to me.
I am, yes.
All right.
Where are you?
I'm in Charleston.
Okay.
Charleston, South Carolina.
And I'm a police officer, and that doesn't make me more credible, I'm sure.
Yes, it does.
Anyway, I have had numerous experiences with entities, and I would probably say in my lifetime, 30 years, I would say probably 10 or 15.
How long have you been a police officer?
About five years.
I had several on the job, but actually the one I was going to talk about was what happened as a child.
Fire away.
I'm not going to waste time or anything but when I was a child I was about six or seven
years and it was right after an experience that I had two years prior with a miracle
with a religious person.
And we had moved into this new house and everything that happened in this house was really odd.
I remember every Halloween, every really evil thing that went on.
I remember, I don't remember Christmas or anything nice in that house.
I'll make a long story short.
Well, to make a long story short, I just went to bed, and I'd laid down, I was about six or seven years old, and when I'd laid down in bed, I'd turn my night light on, and I'd laid down, and my brothers had went to bed, and once I'd laid down, I heard footsteps coming towards my door and it's much like that other police officer talked about.
Oh yes.
Except the weird thing about this one was it wasn't a hazy glow or anything like that.
It actually it was I call it a demon.
But I had laid down, I had not even closed my eyes.
Could you actually describe what it looked like?
Oh, absolutely.
What happened was it stepped in my door.
Tell me what it looked like.
It was about six or seven feet tall.
It was a figure of a dog, believe it or not.
Oh, brother.
And it was a demonic look.
It had hair.
When I first saw Cujo, it had muddy, bloody, matted fur, just like Cujo had after it attacked all the people.
And when it walked in, I smelled the odor of what I call pure death.
If I ever smelled it again, I'd probably get sick.
Um, it walked into my room.
It looked at me.
And it had fangs on the front of the, on the bottom jaw that went straight up.
You're a police officer.
Yeah, absolutely.
You know what death smells like, though.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
And, um, but I, you know, I hadn't smelled that at six or seven years old, but, and I've not smelled anything like it since.
But, and the top fangs went straight down, had long fingernails, and it came in, it looked at me, it walked towards my bed, and the only thing I could think of to do was cover my eyes.
And start praying, which I did.
And it leaned over me and was... Officer, hold it right there.
We're at the top of the hour, so can you afford to hold through the news?
All right, yeah, good.
Hold on then, please.
Does it make somebody more credible?
Is there a police officer or a fire lieutenant like that, a previous caller?
Yes, because these are men trained in observation.
It's their job to observe and see what's going on and to observe it accurately.
So yes, of course, it adds some credibility in that sense.
I'm Art Bell from the high desert.
This is Ghost to Ghost AM.
Again, you're going to want to check out that picture on my website.
Second one down.
Girl either walking through a door or right in the middle of a door.
Manifesting right through a door.
It's totally creepy.
We will be back.
This is Coast to Coast AM with Arch Bell from the Kingdom of Nod.
Depends on how you listen to it.
To be Coast to Coast to Ghost to Ghost, right?
Good morning, everybody.
We are telling ghost stories.
We'll get back to it in a moment.
I'm told that Guam, which I think did before it gets through on the international line, can't now.
So, I don't know exactly what I'm going to do here.
I guess Guam, try to call my two regular 800 lines both east and west because I'll be damned if I know which one you really are and on top of that
Once I clear the call on the first-time caller line, I'll clear that number for Guam only for a period of time.
We'll see what happens, because there are some good ghost stories to come from Guam, which is running the show actually live this morning to them Saturday afternoon.
The sun is probably beginning to sink in the sky now on Guam.
Just sink, or no, actually, it wouldn't be sinking yet, I guess.
Anyway, Saturday afternoon.
We'll try it out here in a moment with Bob.
Sorry you can't... It seems ridiculous that you can't get through on the international line being that far away, but maybe that's the case.
Stay right where you are.
Post goes am continues.
Back to the police officer.
Sir? Uh...
And where are you again, sir?
I'm in Charleston, South Carolina.
That's right, Charleston, South Carolina.
I wanted to read this to you before you continue.
Sure.
There's a man who writes from Wisconsin.
Art, you know, it sounds like the policeman you're talking to had an encounter with black Chuck a spectral dog that has been reported all over the world Demonic question mark a minute.
It may have been a demonic thing and he calls it Black Chuck a spectral dog for whatever that's worth.
I Wow, you know, I've always wondered what it was because I've always had experiences where I've actually seen figures.
I've had doors bang.
I've had a lot of things happen.
Yeah, but this thing looked like a dog.
This thing was actually physically there, you know.
It wasn't in the spiritual realm.
It wasn't cloudy.
It wasn't misty.
It wasn't misty.
It was in the physical realm and it tops my list as far as Something that I could actually put my finger on you know and literally touch if I had reached down I probably could have touched it But of course you don't know that for sure I don't know that for sure But the thing the thing was is that it scared me the point where I'd actually covered up and I started praying I
And I was always wondering if anybody else had that same experience or if there was something in literature.
Well, then maybe I just answered your question for you.
You absolutely did.
I'll have to do a little bit of research on that myself.
But the thing that really troubled me about the whole thing is I never spoke about it.
I never told my family.
You know, I'm the youngest of two brothers.
Right.
You know, I never told anybody.
And seven years ago, I was sitting there talking to my brother.
And the thing that shocked me, the whole situation was, We had started talking about it.
He's also a police officer.
And I spoke to him about, you know, old houses.
And he said, I didn't like this place.
And I said, why?
And he said, well, I had a problem there.
And I said, what was that?
And he described the creature to me.
The same creature?
The same creature.
And he said he was homesick.
And he was laying on the couch.
And he described it to a T. And I interjected periodically so he knew that I knew exactly.
We both saw the same thing.
Well, we both validated it to each other.
That, my friend, thank you very much.
That's as creepy as it gets.
To see something, you know, perhaps demonic.
I mean, you can always later sort of close your mind, right, and think to yourself, no matter how real the experience was at that moment, hey, I dreamed it.
I had some, you know, some kind of hallucination.
Something.
But, When somebody else saw exactly the same thing, then your options begin to dwindle pretty far.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hey, Art.
Hey.
Okay, uh... Where are you?
Oh, I'm in Reno.
Reno, okay.
And you're on DOH.
And you're on a cell phone.
Yes, I am.
Okay.
Okay, now, just bear with me here.
When I lived in Colorado Springs, I was living in this house in the northwest part of town.
And, uh, it was a very hot, Summer evening, well probably about 8.30, I was sitting there watching TV and we had this ghost there that just walked up and down the stairs.
That's all it ever did.
Just walk up and down the stairs.
A ghost that you saw or just heard?
Just heard.
You heard the footsteps.
Okay.
When you came in the front door there was a little foyer and a Three steps into the basement and then like eight steps up to the living room.
Okay.
And it constantly walked from the basement up the steps and then back down again.
So I got fed up.
I lived in another haunted house a couple years earlier and the ghost there was pretty friendly.
So I said to this one, I said, well, is that all you can do?
Just walk up and down, you know, can you materialize?
Can you speak?
What?
Yes, and I guess it considered that an invitation, right?
Yes, it did.
And did what?
I was sitting there in a chair, and then all of a sudden, like I said, it was very warm evening, must have been in the mid-80s, had the windows open, and it walked right up next to me, and all of a sudden I was freezing.
My hair stood up on the back of my neck, and I got goose flesh.
It was Totally creepy in it.
I felt this.
You know how you can tell when your wife's in a reaction?
I seriously doubt you don't experience that much.
Oh, don't you kid yourself.
But you know, you could feel the anger.
Yes.
I could just feel it and I was going, oh jeez, I'm sorry.
That's a very, very good analogy, sir.
Very good.
Every man out there and probably every woman, too, from the other side knows exactly what you're talking about.
Oh, yes, I know that.
Oh, yes.
And that's the only thing that ever happened to that one.
But in the previous house, we used to have windows fly open, doors fly open, lights go on, banging, pounding on doors.
We called him Bob.
Yeah, well, Bob, I don't like the pounding on doors part.
I did... And that goes to a little of what I'm going to talk about right now.
I don't rule this out.
In fact, actually, I rule it in.
A lot of strange things have occurred to me during the years that I've been doing these programs.
And I'm becoming convinced, and you might want to have this served up to you as a warning.
I really am becoming convinced that when we talk of these things and we consider them, the more we do it, the more we invite it.
And I think that's why I've had a lot of one one time during one of these programs It wasn't a knock at my door.
I mean you've got to remember I live inside You know a regular home and and I have my converted studio here and what I heard hit my door I It was more like a pile driver.
I mean, it wasn't a knock.
Trust me, it was a kaboom!
You know, that kind of thing on my door, right during the middle of one of these ghost-to-ghost shows.
And it scared the you-know-what out of me.
I mean, right in the middle of the show.
And I ran over to the door, and I did open it.
There was absolutely nothing there.
But I mean, this was a almost-gonna-break-it-off-the-hinges kind of kaboom on my door.
So, I've come to the conclusion that... I'm an Alburo truck driver, and I get you on, uh, I got an SM radio, I get you on the AFT channel.
Right.
And, uh, anyway, I team with my husband.
So we're coast to coast.
Where, what part of the world are you in now?
Right now, I'm in, uh, Ludlow, California.
Okay.
And, um, this happened in, right outside of Albuquerque, New Mexico.
Now you gotta understand, we're used to sleeping in different areas.
Nothing's ever happened before.
Sure.
But we were outside of Albuquerque on I-25 in a rest area.
And you were up, you got a bunk up behind, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, we got a sleeper berth.
Right.
And this happened in a rest area right at the 163 marker.
Uh huh.
In Bellum.
Bellum, New Mexico.
Alright.
And I had just quit driving.
I had to listen to you like I always do.
And I just quit driving and I was tired.
My husband was already sleeping.
So I put on my night shirt and I was brushing out my hair.
And so I turned everything off and I got done and I climbed in behind my husband like I normally do.
Something Kept telling me to look behind me.
And I'm like, I'm not gonna do this, you know, so I just closed my eyes, you know.
And I'm not asleep yet because I had just laid down and it takes me a while to relax.
All of a sudden, my body went totally numb.
Now this is, this is the God's truth.
My body went totally numb.
I could not move my body.
This noise started coming out of my mouth.
And I'm trying... I'm trying to speak.
I'm trying to get my husband... What kind of noise?
Like a gurgle, like a... it went... like that.
Yes?
And my husband is still snoring, and I'm trying to move my fingertips to get him awoke, because I can hardly move, but I'm willing my fingertips to touch him.
And I'm trying to get his name out, and I'm thinking, Am I having a stroke here?
What's going on?
Right, right.
And that's what I'm thinking.
But I'm like, no, that's not going, because my mind's working here.
And all of a sudden, my body, I thought I was going to start levitating.
I'm like, oh my God, what's going on?
And I start praying in my mind, because my husband and I are very religious.
And I start praying, you know, and finally, I don't know how, but My husband got awoke, but in the meantime, the middle part, because I'm keeping my legs and arms, trying to keep them down, but the middle part of my body's starting to move up.
I'm like, oh, please God, make it go away, please God.
And this is when your husband woke up?
My husband woke up.
He goes, what's going on with you?
And I, and then it just, it just left.
And you, you just sort of flopped back down?
I had already come back down.
I didn't fully go up just because I'm, you know, just the middle part of my body's moving.
Did you recognize anything that came out of your mouth?
No.
Nothing but this noise.
And, like I said, I'm trying to go, you know, like this, you know.
Sure.
You doubt his name, sure.
Yeah.
And so, you know, I'm thinking, is this one of these things where, you know, You're asleep, what do you call that?
You're, you're, you think you're asleep but you're not or something, you know what I'm talking?
Of course.
And I'm like, this ain't going on because I wasn't asleep yet.
I was, I had just fallen in bed and something was telling me, turn over to my side and look.
I'm like, oh no, this is too creepy.
I'm not looking.
I closed my eyes.
So something, something... Entered my body.
Yeah, inhabited you, I was going to say.
Yeah.
For a period of time.
Yeah, and now, And what was really weird when I pulled into this rest area, like when us drivers pull in late at night in a rest area, you can't find a parking spot.
I hear ya.
I've got a big RV and I've tried to fight for those spots, so I know.
Yeah, and there was only two other trucks there.
I'm like, this is strange.
Tell me exactly where it was again.
Okay, it was right outside, south side of Albuquerque.
At mile marker one.
163.
163?
All right.
In the rest area on 25.
All right.
I gotcha.
All right.
Well, then some other... Well, listen.
We're out of time.
But some other truckers, I'm sure, will give mile marker 163 a try,
because these things tend to hang out at the same place.
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All right, let me say it one more time.
Uh, following the call I'm just now going to take, uh, then I'm going to reserve this line away for only Guam.
I don't care who you are, what it's about, only Guam.
Those poor people.
You would think... And if you're... By the way, if you want to call on the international line and you're anywhere else in the world, you're welcome to now call, because obviously Guam isn't able to use it.
So the international line anywhere else in the world is 800-893-0903 with a reference to Guam.
This is going to mean you would have to pay for the call, but I don't know how else to do it.
All these other lines are jammed beyond all reason, so...
If you're in Guam, area code 775-727-1222.
Just as soon as I clear this line.
And on that line, you're on the air.
Where are you calling from, sir?
222 just as soon as I clear this line and on that line you're on the air where
are you calling from sir? You don't want to say do you? No I'm not necessarily if I can help it.
You're a federal law enforcement officer?
Yeah, and I can verify all this on the side if you want to get this information without being here.
I understand, sure.
We're the federal officers that you see in the unmarked trucks that ride along the government property to keep people out where they shouldn't be.
Okay.
I have two quick things to say.
One, I had two experiences in my life.
One recently and one when I was about 17.
Um, we had a, I don't know, it was an old house in Detroit, in that old area.
And, uh, I was the only brave one out of the nine kids that lived in a certain part of the house.
It always had some strange happenings.
And, um, things got worse to the point where I started putting locks on the door.
Well, one night I went to sleep and I woke up.
And my door was actually just ripped from the hinges.
And nothing was missing, but I slept through that, which I'm a very light sleeper.
You slept through your door being ripped off the hinges?
With four locks on the door.
And I never went to that part of the house again, ever.
And where did the door end up?
I mean, was it on the floor?
It was just ripped up and laid down.
Right there on the floor.
And recently, I was with another officer and we were going into a closed area.
An area where nobody should be whatsoever.
Right.
And we both went through the gate, and we closed the gate behind us, and we looked up in front of us, and he says, did you see what I see?
I said, yeah, there's something up there.
We got in the truck, and we gunned it, and either this person could run about 70 miles an hour, or they just got away from us.
And we're in an area where you can see everything within about four square miles.
But it's strange that two people can see the same thing.
And we both looked at each other and said, we got him.
No, it's not straight.
Whatever it was, the shadow ran in front of us.
It was right early, early in the morning, before sunrise.
It ran in front of us for probably about maybe, oh, I'd say a good four or five hundred yards.
It was about, oh, about a thousand yards in front of us when we went through the gate.
And you're trying to tell me this thing had to be moving at 70 miles an hour?
Yeah, because I guess, I mean, we were going to get this person, or whoever it was, I don't know what to tell you.
I really appreciate your story.
I do believe it.
Thank you very much, sir.
Alright, that clears that line.
Now, only Guam on that line.
corner and there's nobody there.
I don't know what to tell you, I really appreciate your story.
Yeah, I appreciate it.
We love listening to you guys out there.
Believe it or not, a lot of us listen to you.
Thank you.
You guys really entertain us through the night and keep up the good work.
I do believe it.
Thank you very much, sir.
All right, that clears that line.
Now, only Guam on that line.
See, I've got feelings the only way I'm going to get Guam through here tonight now.
There's yet another law enforcement officer.
Thank you.
Well, these fellows work at night.
You know, they work at night and, uh, many times they work in pairs and they are trained observers.
So, yeah, you give them a little more credibility.
This stuff is happening everywhere.
Absolutely everywhere.
Wild Card Line, you're on air.
Hello.
Uh, is that me?
That's you!
Oh, okay.
Uh, I live at a place called, uh... Can I say the name of the place?
Well, I don't know.
It depends on... Is it like a hotel, or...?
Well, no.
It's an area known for the world's biggest fig tree.
I'll leave it at that.
No, that's okay.
You can tell me where you live.
Oh, it's a place called Fig Springs.
In what state?
Arizona.
Arizona, okay.
Yeah, it's near Cayman.
Alright.
There's a lot of legends about the area itself, but one particular night my mother and a friend of ours were up there and we're just hanging out in the main trailer.
We caretook, my parents caretook the land for the people who owned it.
And we're just talking about different stuff.
It's nighttime.
And I started getting really nervous.
I was pretty young at the time.
Started getting very, very nervous.
About like I am now, as a matter of fact.
And the other two people who were with us, my mom and the other person, were also getting nervous, but they were trying to pretend like everything was okay, because they didn't want to scare me.
I looked back behind me, And I see a guy lying on the bed in the living room.
We're in the kitchen.
You can see in the living room, there's a bed there.
And he was floating about a foot off the bed.
And about that time, I said to my mom and the other person, I think we should leave now.
Describe this.
As best you can.
Floating, you said.
Yeah, he was just lying there nonchalantly, like, uh, nothing, or just kicking back on the bed, except he wasn't on the bed, he was above the bed.
But in, yeah, but what I'm trying to get at is, in every other way, fully materialized?
Uh, he was partly see-through.
He wasn't totally solid.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
Like partly there, partly not type of thing.
I've seen a lot of ghosts before like that.
Well, if you get a chance to check my website, you'll see a picture of a lady halfway through a door.
And when I say through a door, I don't mean walking through a door.
I mean coming through a door.
Okay.
I'll be sure and check that out.
But anyhow, we decided to get out of there.
By the way, there were people hung on that fig tree there before it was originally chopped down.
But anyhow, We left the building and started going down the hill.
It was pretty dark out.
We're going down this hill to head to where we stayed in a small travel trailer.
And we hear a noise, like a clunk, clunk, clunk noise behind us.
And, um, we tried to look back, but we couldn't see what it was, and we just took off running.
All of a sudden, I freeze.
I look back, and I see way up in the sky, I look straight up, I see in the sky what looks like a small piece of metal.
Uh, maybe two foot by three foot piece of metal.
Yes.
And like a small tin or aluminum garbage can flying in the air.
Really?
It makes a circle around me and I hear a crash behind this one little rock shed that was up there.
I was frozen in my spot so one of the other people had to grab me and pull me in the trailer.
We all compared notes and found out that we were all feeling kind of weird vibes and everything about the area when we were in there.
So the next day, since it was too dark to go out that night, next day we went out and looked and investigated to see what it was.
The clunking noise behind us was actually a tin garbage can.
But the two pieces of metal I saw up in the sky, I mean this is Arizona, we don't get tornadoes that often here.
Yes, that's right.
And the ground wind was not that bad.
So what are you saying happened to you?
This piece of metal was about the size of an average living room.
There's two pieces of metal and what it was was a roof off of a porch shed that was at the trailer.
Oh my God.
After having told this story to several people, we found out that the trailer that that had happened in,
Someone had gotten shot by the police and They had escaped from something.
They ran from the police and they got shot in there.
And the person told us, well, we can prove it.
Go look by the back door and you'll see bullet holes there.
So we went and looked by the back door.
There weren't any bullet holes, but there were some pieces of duct tape.
We started looking under the duct tape.
And sure enough, there's bullet holes.
There's bullet holes, oh brother.
Alright, well thank you very much.
You see, ghosts seem to manifest themselves most frequently from those who either die unexpectedly, die in the middle of a passionate love affair, commit suicide, hang themselves, blow their heads off, that kind of thing.
Those Type of deaths, uh, you know, violent deaths seem to bring this sort of thing.
Why?
I don't know.
It may be the speed of the death, but, you know, if that was true, then you would think that most people that got hit by trucks or walked out into the middle of traffic would be ghosts as well, wouldn't you?
And yet it appears to be this, uh, this hand of man violent death.
Whether it be one's own hand or another hand that produces the entities that stick around.
So, go figure.
Use of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello?
Yes?
Yeah, hi.
This is Mark from St.
Louis.
Hello, Mark.
Um, I was listening to your show when I heard one of the police officers call, and he had a story about, he called it a demon dog.
Oh, the dog-like creature, yes.
Right, okay, well I got a story similar to that, only it's not a dog, but it has similarities.
When I was a kid, I grew up in a family of, I was the youngest of five, and I was sharing A bedroom with my sister who was the second youngest for me.
I was the youngest, she was the next one up.
Right.
So I was, I'm going to say maybe, gosh, I don't know, seven or eight years old the first time I saw this thing.
Yes.
It's a very distinctive memory for me and it's hard for me to even talk about it without getting the chills.
I was asleep or not Not quite yet asleep.
I was in bed.
My sister, her bed was in the corner of the bedroom farthest from the door.
My bed was closest to the door.
Right.
It was dark.
It was night time.
I have no idea.
I'm trying to remember how late it was, but I know... It doesn't matter.
Go ahead.
Yeah, everybody in the house was asleep.
The lights were off, and I saw something come through the bedroom door.
At first... Now, when you say come through the bedroom door, do you mean... Like your picture, only this had no definition on that picture on your website.
Oh, you've seen... Have you seen that picture?
Yeah, you could make out eye sockets and things on your picture.
I mean, oh my God, that thing is... I almost thought that door looked like there was something superimposed.
It's either in that door... The door changes color.
It's either in that door or coming through it.
So this was similar to that, okay?
Now, I'm in a dark bedroom, and I don't know how I can accurately describe this, but I'll give it a shot.
There is such a thing as darker than or blacker than night.
That's the best way for me to describe this thing because your eyes will gradually adjust
to even a dark room.
That's correct.
So I thought I see something really, it was like a black void is the best way I could
describe it.
No dimensions, it was just a black void.
It was about where somebody's head would be, that high up on the door.
I remember squinting my eyes and opening them again and thinking what the heck is that?
And I'm looking and it starts coming through a little bit more and what it was it was this thing's head Okay, and it was it poked his head through just a little bit and on the side of its head I saw on the side of its head I could see a Like, again, blacker than black, wispy arms coming through, like the hands were being extended and they were coming through the side, you know, from the side of the head.
And the head comes in farther and it looks around in the room.
And the whole time I'm thinking, am I just, you know, am I seeing things?
Am I imagining this?
And the more and more I look at it, I'm getting scarier and scarier.
And it's taking on a form.
And my sister's asleep and I'm just, I'm getting scared to death seeing this thing.
And it finally comes through the door, floats through the door all the way.
I could see it was smooth shaped, meaning it didn't look like it had wild hair or anything.
It was completely black, but the head was round like a mannequin's would be.
And I remember seeing arms and a torso.
You know, I'm peeking through my covers.
I got my covers probably like up to my nose at this point, you know, looking at this thing.
And the way, I'll never forget the way it moved.
It was like a burglar, like he would move, like if he was tiptoeing.
It was very, like almost stalking the room with your head crouched down and the arms
were kind of up in the air.
And the arms, there were really no hands.
It just kind of ended in long tendrils.
Well, you know, long tendrils, this sounds classically like a shadow person story.
Exactly.
And you describe it as blacker than black.
Blacker than black.
Something that would be black within a totally dark room.
Yes, exactly.
And there's something I want to describe here because I think this is just as important or prominent as the actual seeing it.
Sure.
There was, and again this is from a kid, so 7 or 8 years old.
I felt a presence of evil like you would not imagine.
There was no way even at that young age did I think this was a ghost.
I mean, I was scared out of my, you know, my shorts.
To me, this thing was not a spirit of somebody that had come back.
This thing was... I'm thinking this thing is from hell or something coming up.
Well, that's... that is why, again, folks, that I'm saying You know, we call these ghosts, but that's just a name.
We don't know for sure what they are.
In some cases, they may be the departed managing to manifest back in on the earthly plane here, right?
But they might not be human, either.
Many of these things may not be human, and so I'm tending toward the Physical manifestation, particularly physical attack type stories.
So I can try and get a better grasp of what it is that we're dealing with here.
I don't know if that's possible.
I want to reiterate that because of the screw-up, and apparently Guam can't get through on the international line, I am going to hold this first-time caller line open for Guam only.
Alright?
I know you're out there this afternoon trying to get through, so Keep trying.
It's area code 775-727-1222.
And of course, lines are totally jammed, but if I need the audience to collaborate, do not call that number.
Let Guam get through, please, on that number.
Guam only.
Area code 775-727-1222.
Otherwise, use any other line.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello, Art?
Hi.
We don't have a whole lot of time before the top of the hour, sir.
Let me do this real quickly.
Alright.
I'm a retired sheriff's captain.
Yes, sir.
One night, the dispatch supervisor ran out of paper and a computer and wanted me to go with her into the courthouse to retrieve some paper.
She would not go there alone.
This is an old western courthouse in which the jail was in the basement.
A number of people have been hung there, and killed themselves there, and she was scared to death of it.
Right.
We went up to the front door, which was a double glass door, and unlocked the door, and when I opened the door, and put my, I had a flashlight, didn't want to turn the lights on, and there's a set of stairs, and at the top of the stairs, you like cats, you'll enjoy this, there was a ghost cat standing there.
And when I shined my light on it, he reared his back up like a cat will, and hissed at me, and attacked me.
Ran down the stairs, and ran at me, ran up my body, and according to the dispatcher, went through me.
What?
I didn't see the cat go through me.
She said it went through me.
She saw it come out the back end of me.
Holy moly!
When I, it shocked me so bad I just lost my composure there for a minute.
I dropped my flashlight.
I picked the flashlight back up and I had to turn it back on and I shined it up to the top of the stairs and there was a man standing there.
A ghostly looking man.
And he just slowly dissipated and went away.
I don't know what to say about that.
This cat, this cat was, uh, this cat just scared me to death.
I mean, it was not, it was not a physical cat.
It was a, it was a, uh, she, she told me that from that day forward, she'd never go back in there again.
And she said that was the first time.
I don't blame her.
I wouldn't do it either.
Uh, in fact, I'd probably quit.
Go find another job or a transfer or something.
Listen, I gotta go.
We're up here at the top of the hour.
I appreciate your call.
You're welcome.
Thank you very much, officer, and take care.
So many, Law enforcement officers, people who are trained to observe things.
A cat that attacks and kisses, arches its back, attacks you and jumps right through.
I'm coming in.
I'm coming in.
Some bell this morning when I'm free.
I'm gonna open up your gate.
And maybe tell you about Phedra.
And how she gave me life.
And how she made it in.
Some bell this morning when I'm free.
Flowers blowing on our hill.
Birds and flies and tadpoles hill.
Life on our hill. Very large hill.
No cat on the tune of the bell.
Phedra is my name.
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That would be me.
Good morning, everybody.
This actually is Ghost to Ghost A.M.
And in the interest of somebody who's paying for a call, I'm going directly to our Guam line.
Actually, the first time caller line.
Hello there.
You're on the air.
Hi there.
Hi.
You're in Guam, huh?
I am.
Actually, I guess you're on Guam, not in Guam.
Thank you.
I always say I'm on Guam.
I'm from Chicago, so if I can be on something, it's kind of nice.
Listening to KGUM?
Uh, yeah.
K57.
That's it.
K57.
Yep.
Well, I guess it's, what, a Saturday evening there by now, huh?
It is.
The sun is now starting to set.
Actually, it is starting to go down now.
Okay.
Alright.
Well, what's up?
Well, um, I'm really sorry that, uh, True Tomorrow didn't get through here first.
Um, hopefully more will come in.
Um, ghost stories are, or spirit stories, might be more accurate, are very much a part of the culture here and are experienced, uh, very regularly.
Um, on island, they're usually referred to as the Tautamona, which I believe, um, literally translated means the original one.
Oh, isn't that interesting?
I lived on Okinawa for 10 years, and that was a very, very haunted island.
There's something about islands, huh?
I, I, yeah!
Yeah.
Yeah, well, and there's, there's quite a, certainly a lot of violence has taken place here, and on this island, and, um, and probably on Okinawa as well.
You were mentioning earlier
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