Richard C. Hoagland and former NSA operative Vance Davis discuss the 1993 WTC bombing—Davis’s premonition of a gas explosion or attack, later confirmed—and his unusual recruitment in 1984 despite no intelligence ties, including Silver Mind Control courses in high school. Davis reveals a shadow government manipulating U.S. policy toward a "one world" agenda, citing suppressed evidence like TWA Flight 800’s missile strike and modified military justice codes for AWOL intel personnel. Hoagland links NSA’s remote viewing suppression to Masonic symbolism in U.S. founding (dollar bill, Washington Monument) via The Benign Conspiracy, while Davis warns of a Qaddafi-backed "great jihad" targeting the Statue of Liberty, referencing Nostradamus’s 16th-century prophecies and North Korea’s missile tests over Japan. Their claims suggest deep-state orchestration of global crises, urging listeners to challenge official narratives ahead of a September physics seminar in Seattle. [Automatically generated summary]
A one-time advisor to Walter Cronkite, winner of the Angstrom Science Award, one-time advisor to NASA, where he is now held in very high esteem.
You will see Richard Hoagland photographs lining the walls, NASA Ames and the Trip Mulchen Lab and places like that where Richard has almost turned into a cult figure for the people there.
And while we're on the subject, Sally, who I played that song for in Washington, writes, so before we get on to the more serious stuff, Richard, I want to know about this too.
A friend and I have been waiting for months now for you to have Richard on again.
Hello, Richard.
So that we could pose the following question.
Though Old Navy was an unusual twist by Richard, it was a subject that struck a chord with both of us, only to get more and more strange as time went by.
Nothing has been said about it for some time now.
However, there have been an incredible rash of strange Old Navy commercials lately, featuring the dog Magic with a J. Is there any new information or news about Old Navy?
Or is this now one of those subjects that if I told you I'd have to kill you?
So, yeah, I want to know too, there was this time when you came on the air and you talked about these meetings in Old Navy stores across America and sales at $19 and something or another.
Well, when they got into the intertelephone system, they found even stranger things, if you remember.
And this was all triggered the night of the Phoenix lights, March 13th of last year, the same night that President Clinton had something happen to him, you know, 2,000 miles away in Florida.
And we have seen not only publicly a series of these commercials, but you remember the Indianapolis 500 when Old Navy entered a car, you know, a Navy.
Now, at this point, Richard, I'm starting to wonder if your thing about Old Navy is feeding them, and they're using it now, and they're just provoking you and everybody else who got into that Old Navy thing, and it's just a great advertising scheme for them.
Graham, you know, Graham Hancock and Robert Veral, our mutual friends, are working on a book next year, or release next spring, which is going to be called, I believe the working title is The Benign Conspiracy.
And what they're going to do is to track what we have been tracking, which is basically the Masonic tradition of enlightenment, which started in Europe, actually started in Egypt to work its way through Europe and ultimately wound up with the gestation of the United States of America.
As you begin to take apart all the symbols, starting with what's on the dollar bill, you know, both sides, if you take apart the Great Seal, if you take apart the nation's capital, if you look at the shots of CNN with the helicopter poised next to the Washington Monument, which is nothing but an enormous Egyptian obelisk tracing its way back to the ancient kingdoms of Egypt, you begin to understand that somebody had a plan.
And every time you say plan, people snicker now because we live in an age when nobody plans anything.
You know, they're planning maybe for the next quarter, maybe for next week.
But civilizations, great cultures are spawned and nourished by people who have great vision and great dreams and great plans.
And what made the United States of America what it is, art, is great planning.
We keep, you know, we honor the founding fathers and we honor their vision and yet we refuse to look at the extraordinary instruments that made what they conceived possible.
And someday, not too distant from now, we need to do a show where we lay out the history of this republic, its extraordinarily interesting traditions, and the computerized, demonstrable evidence that someone is continuing those traditions right up until last week.
I want to have the time, Art, to lay out the evidence, and I want to bring on a couple of colleagues who will work very hard, who are behind the scenes, to provide some of this evidence.
And we will let the people decide, because that's what science is.
It's putting the evidence on the table and letting the body politic come to a decision.
Because it appears to be a confirmation on the sinister side of what we've been discussing in the last couple of minutes.
He says, when President Clinton came into office, those of us in the military, we did not brief the President of the United States on anything because we knew he was a transient event and he was not one of ours.
Now, here is someone who is as deeply in the system as anybody that you can get, that you probably had on the show, maybe excepting that general who wouldn't use his name.
Well, we're going to bring on a guest shortly who has already faced that problem and literally beat the system, was for 21 days behind bars, and for some extraordinary reason is walking around a free man tonight, able to speak the truth and the constitutional truth that I referred to last night.
All right, I want to be clear now about who you say Vance Davis is, and we'll do that by asking Vance Davis in a moment, but you say he is a former NSA employee.
It turned out a year later that as I'm sitting at my computer and CNN is coming on with this rather remarkable set of pictures of the World Trade Towers, that his words, you know, instantly came back to mind because the events, you know, the major explosion in New York City that he had hit me to, in fact, had come to pass.
Well, at that point, I got very intrigued with Davis and his associates.
And there were other members of this cadre that he will refer to.
And it was one of those things where I didn't know where to track him down.
I didn't know, you know, I just put it on the map as, okay, this is interesting.
Someone told me something so off the wall, and it came true.
When I came out to New Mexico...
Yes.
Oh, yes.
He was quite open enough friend.
In fact, he identified himself as part of this group, which you will, you know, I'll obviously ask him about.
My next contact was quite surprising.
Last year, as you know, we transitioned from New York out here to Cosidas.
Anyway, so we come out here, and the way we got the house is through another friend of mine who is former NSA.
And he happens to know, and in fact, is entertaining the afternoon we look at this house, Vance Davis, who at that point sits down and proceeds to tell me the extraordinary story of his military service, his transfer from the Army to the NSA, his posting in Europe, and all the events that wound up with them being headline news for several weeks on CNN.
And it turned out today when I talked to him that our mutual associate, Ed Dames, plays an interesting and pivotal role in this Story, which I did not know about until this afternoon.
Anyway, when we were putting together the Phoenix event last year, I asked Vance to put together some of the history based on his sourcing and on his ability to basically do good, honest analytical research.
That has led to our keeping in touch, and the other day when the Qadafi and the Korean situation posed itself, he was someone I turned to in confidence to try to drag out information.
Richard, indeed, North Korea launched a missile or two, depending on what you believe, toward and then over the nation of Japan, which, by the way, is a mystery to me because earlier today I got out a globe, and if you look at the construction of North Korea, they could have fired the missile straight south and gone over no land mass at all.
Yeah, I was very perplexed by Major Dame's geography last night because when you fire a weapon of war over a sovereign nation back hundreds of years, that is a declaration of hostility.
And as someone who has gone to the war college, I would think that Mr. Davis ought to know better.
There is a lot to this that doesn't meet the eye.
And frankly, I was very taken aback when I thought I was providing corroborative evidence last night from one of his colleagues that, in fact, the first shot in this new phase was fired by North Korea.
Only by the grace of God knows what, it didn't, you know, come back.
In other words, how do you get approached, recruited, joined, whatever, especially as an E-4?
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Well, you'd have to go through the history of the NSA, which was started by President Truman.
Truman started it in 1954, officially calling it by that name, National Security Agency, whereas inside we call it no such agency until a certain book came out called The Puzzle Palace.
Then we were given debriefings on how to handle that little trick.
It's interesting the history behind it.
And there was a president edict, or is what we call a presidential decree.
Directives, yes, that put NSA for a long period from 1972, I believe, on up, into the direct access or control of all gathering intelligence information because of the snafus that occurred in Vietnam, which I wasn't there, but I'm sure you guys would remember the intelligence snafus that occurred because every branch had their own intelligence service.
So NSA became a central source.
In that, NSA has a right to pull from the ranks of the military certain individuals that they feel could benefit them.
Well, as I was told when I went through, I was told at AIT school in Gulf Breeze, in Pensacola, Florida or Gulf Breeze, Florida, that I had been requested with my roommate to go to NSA, which does not usually occur, ART, in Richard, until you've already served four or eight years, at least two tours.
We got requested right out of school, which was unusual.
We were told it's very unusual to have that happen.
I had an implication when I went through, again, through an interrogation at NSA, through a lie detector test, which they still, I guess they still use it today from what I understand, sitting there asking me all the questions about my past.
And I don't know if anybody's out there, if you have, Art or Richard, has been through a clearance, a security clearance program.
The fear of dad got to me at the time, so I never stole anything after that.
It was interesting, they brought out, after I said, no, I don't have anything else to add, a pile of papers, probably a good quarter inch thick, and said, well, what's this?
And I'm looking at it, I flipped it open, and it's my classwork and the information on me, when I was 15 through 16 years old, taking Silver Mind Control.
And the concept is young children singled out as having special talents or abilities or potential and brought up in an isolated environment to serve something other than normal society.
The background that Vance is describing, although he had a normal childhood, it found like someone was monitoring, someone was keeping tabs at the NSA, and they said, we want this one, this one, and this one.
And as you'll hear later in the morning, this one in terms of Vance turns out to have some pretty interesting faculties and talent.
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Well, let me give you something, gentlemen, that I learned later from certain officers within the NSA and within the Army.
I got a security clearance six weeks into basic training, a top secret security clearance.
And what I vaguely recall from that interview is that you were a military enlisted rank person in Europe who literally went AWOL and ended up in Florida.
And all of this was over a Ouija board incident.
Is that roughly correct?
You have part of the pieces, yes.
What am I missing?
That Ouija board was part of it, yes.
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But there are other things that were going on at the time.
And we, because of our position, had certain accesses to information.
In that interview, we also talked about the Gulf War and that that was all prepared and set up in many ways.
And that we weren't the only ones that knew that.
So yes, that was the interview.
And we were given certain predictions, certain events, that we had to research close to 1,500 pages of notes on top of other things that we had been working with in Augsburg is the place where we were at.
And that's six soldiers that did that.
I remember the wire reports about that.
Yeah, I mean, it was a big story, and the wire services and the networks all covered it about you guys who went AWOL out of the blue.
And then, like so many stories of that sort, it died kaboom.
This is why I had to smile last night when Ed Dames said, well, if your source was telling you anything, he'd be in Leavenworth, because that trick has already been tried.
And we were basically told on the 21st day that we were going to be released by order of the Joint Chiefs.
And President Bush.
And President Bush.
All right.
Vance, why?
Well, there's several reasons that it could be, Art.
As we add, the government still keeps very close mouth, although a certain...
I'm asking you.
My impression and belief at that time, then I'll answer you at this time now that has changed, was that they did not want it to go to trial.
Because they would have to release and basically prove everything we got as false.
And it wasn't.
There were security issues that made them so strong.
It made them drop the whole thing like that.
And they did drop it.
I remember.
Oh, they dropped it like a compound ball.
Yeah.
And the whole thing ended as a mystery.
And I take it that you can't tell me what the security items are that caused them to drop this, or can you?
I only have, Art, and be honest with you, is I only have my perceptions of why.
We do know that President Bush was in meetings with the Joint Chiefs and his cabinet when they were told to basically get us out of there, to release it and drop the whole thing, to leave it to the public mind.
You must know.
I have my ideas, yes, sir.
Are these things that if you were to now discuss, you would go back to jail?
I don't believe so, because I think someone or a group of someone in the government wants this country to survive.
Okay, then what is it?
I think that we foresaw and were told and actually saw certain actions going on that this country was slowly being sold out, brought into out of democracy into a total different avenue of thought, which I call fascism.
I won't understand what fascism is, but what specific things did you see or know that would have caused them to drop this whole thing?
I think that we were given, and it's a long story, Art, we were given the whole icon of events through our security accesses, through other avenues of information and of intelligence.
And you learned through other officers that there was a whole distinct long-term plan to set into motion starting in 1990 to bring about a new power into this world if it could be done.
And the one sticking point was that the United States was blocking that move and they had to move to knock down the United States from within.
And they give us up on.
And then some of the things have occurred to point to the economic, the political, the social, and among other things, even the earth changes.
Did you have, are you suggesting that you had information about a virtual coup d'état in the United States?
Yes.
And it's so quiet that the public is very unaware because of all these stuff going on over the past eight years.
Well, what I call shadows.
Look, what would have stopped everybody from considering you to be a raving lunatic if you'd have made this stuff public?
In other words, it was so strong and so important that they dropped their prosecution of you and the others involved in all of this.
You are asking the most important question of the evening.
The reason that I have paid close attention to Vance Davis when he came to me at that meeting years later and identified himself as one of the Gulf 3-6, the key question on my mind was the question you're asking the nation tonight, why are you outside walking around?
And even more directly asking, I'm asking now, what specifically, in terms of evidence, did Vance and or his colleagues have that was so heavy that the government dropped the whole matter.
There must have been something in the category of what we would call hard.
Let me give you a scenario, Richard, for you guys to mall on.
We're coming up on a break here.
Yes, we can carry it on.
Let's say it deals with the game of Cold War and the game of war and what I call the game of kings and queens.
All right, well, that's all fine and well, but rather nonspecific.
We're going to take a break here, one.
When I come back, I'm going to be looking for a specific item so serious the government literally dropped your case like a hot potato.
It's an important question.
We'll be right back.
To my guests, Richard C. Hoagland and Vance Davis.
And Vance, all of the audience is now updated, and I'm going to try this.
I'm going to ask one more time, and maybe it's just a question you can't answer, or maybe it's a question you don't know the answer to.
But you have said, in answer to this mystery, that the military dropped charges against all of you guys like a hot rock.
And you've given me some sort of broad explanation of why you think they did that, having to do with one world government or something or another.
And there must have been, had to have been something concrete and absolute in terms of intel that you had that you could have talked about or one of the other in your party could have talked about that would have caused them so much embarrassment that rather than face that in a court-martial against you, they dropped the whole thing strangely.
And I want to know what that was.
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Well, let me give you, maybe confirmation for you, Art, and maybe for Richard, because there are a couple points that I feel, and so do the other five that we did have, that we, over the past eight years, have fought with about whether we should even talk about.
And with the events occurring recently and in the past year, I think it's time, and I took it upon myself, it's time to come out and broach the subject.
Whether it's accurate to the government's view or not, I can't answer that.
But I'm saying this is what we feel that would be very hard for them to answer to the public because it was all over the news and it would have been done publicly.
And that is that the public does not know.
And in 1984, I found out very directly, as many people do that end up in the intelligence community, that there are two governments in the United States.
I'm a naive 18-year-old at the time, and I had this phone on me, and that things that I was taught about history were not necessarily true, and I proceeded to be taught what real history was.
That there is a, quote, elected government by the people.
That the non-elected organizations, individuals, and groups of people working for this large group or corporation, whatever you want to call it, actually pulls the strings and tells the majority of our elected officials what they need to do.
Remember last night, Ed Dames said when Clinton came into office, we did not brief the president because he was a transient event.
Can you imagine if this group had gone to trial and what they were involved with and what they had received in the way of interesting information became public and the process whereby they were selected, like that television show, and a lot of other things in the 1980s timeframe, people obviously would have had a major visceral reaction.
It's like that gentleman who called in last night after Ed was on and he said, I'm frankly really upset at what you've just said.
Well, you know, those of us who are trying to lift the covers, you know, so the truth can be revealed, often are accused and tarred with broadbrush that we're conspiracy freaks.
Actually, I'm a truth freak.
I made a commitment to myself 15 years ago when I started down the trail of what I thought was something simple, like extraterrestrial ruins, that I would follow that trail wherever it led.
And one of the things it led to were people like Vance Davis, who are honest, God-fearing Americans, patriotic, who have been taken by this government, parts of it, used, thrown aside, reviled, and who have some special abilities that are going to be needed as the time approaches where major events are drawing to a nexus, to a point.
And last night when I came on, I did not expect the fascinating reaction of Major Dames, who in essence admitted everything we're discussing tonight.
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Now, let me add something to that that really even more disturbed us.
And you and I, Art, touched it a few years ago, and Richard and I have talked about it.
When a person joins the military, they take an oath.
There is an internal war going on within the military and the intelligence community because certain individuals, I do not use the word government because the government's made up of people that feel they gain more power by joining other forces that are against that form of government to usurp and create problems within the boundaries of the United
All right, look, I'll go this far, and I went this far last night.
To me, it is logical that the military-industrial complex, at the time of President Clinton's presidency, as it began, didn't trust Clinton, didn't like Clinton.
We all know he doesn't much like them.
And so that he would not be told everything.
Frankly, even though it's obviously not constitutional, didn't surprise me a bit and doesn't surprise me now.
And I'll go that far.
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It doesn't.
It's a policy within, and right now, as the audience may not know or know, the CIA now is supposed to debrief or brief the president from all intelligence sources on what's going on around the world.
Look, Vance, in the interest of time, then I am going to say, all right, we've got your story, your period in the NSA.
Now, I want to get to this missile firing by North Korea.
And the first thing I want to ask you is the information that you relayed to Richard, and you're his NSA source, was this information information you gathered back in the 80s or early 90s while you were in the NSA, or is it current information?
It is current.
All right.
If it is current, then the implication is that it has come from within the NSA, contacts that you to this day still have, or are you willing to say more?
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They come from contacts that I have phone, email, certain contacts with, that make certain calls, make certain inquiries, and I need to preface this art with the audience because the audience as a civilian populace, and I'm sorry if I use a military term here, are not in the know of how the intelligence community gathers information and how they put it together.
That means I took certain portions of information, put them together, and reported to a higher level where they took those, they put them together with other sources of information until you get to a point where there's someone sitting at top or a group of someone.
So that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, if that makes any sense.
It's a protection.
Now, what I have done, I've formed a company, a corporation, that gathers information, books, documents, or storage, certain things we do not talk about by contract, other things we can, but it has to be done in the right way.
Because if you're fed misinformation, then that messes up the kernels of truth.
Because you have to dig through a lot of garbage to get to the key of what's really going on.
All right, so let's just cut through the garbage and say the information you're about to give us has come from sources inside NSA that you consider not to be disinformation sources you trust, yes?
E-Lint and comment, which is electronic intelligence, communications intelligence, on-ground intelligence, and people who have the wherewithal to even make phone calls to certain sites in certain areas around the world.
What Dames said, Ed Dames said last night, was that anybody in your position, X N S A or not, who's telling us that, giving us an extremely sensitive piece of information,
like that the North Koreans were aiming at a nuclear reactor in Japan and fired two missiles trying to hit it, missing both times, that that person would end up behind bars or worse.
And that I have to agree is what I think would happen too.
And that is what you're saying, right?
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Yes, I would agree with the statement.
In fact, if we read it back here, in response to someone with NSA talking, and he quotes, I had an office in NSA as well as the other intelligence agencies.
Anybody who talks to Richard from NSA would already tonight be behind bars.
That's right.
I know the NSA like the back of my hand, that's jail time.
At the same time, the other one early on, which may still be part of a second stage, but it was believed that they were trying to hit an area being built as a second site for nuclear power because it was their belief in North Korea that Japan and South Korea were working on giving South Korea nuclear capability.
Well, you know, I really, at this point, hold on, everybody.
I really kind of agree with that dame's statement that anybody who would say what Vance Davis has just said, quoting NSA sources, would be in jail or worse for saying what he's saying.
This would be intelligence that would be top, top secret.
I don't rule out the possibility.
In fact, if you look at a map, they could have launched south and never been over any landmass at all.
So why did they launch toward and over Japan?
Nothing makes any sense anymore.
All right, let me relaunch the program this way.
If I heard correctly, and I do think I heard correctly, Vance Davis, who was former NSA, has said to Richard and myself and all of you just now that myself, as well as Vance, as well as Richard, are all unwitting dupes of the government behind the government.
That is what you said, is it not?
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That is what I said.
And the media falls into that category also.
That the information age is so fast and so furious that people are not checking out their facts, their stories, among other things.
It used to be, when I was still in NSA in the 80s, that CNN, a new startup news organization, used to beat us to the punch on intelligence.
Well, then, Vance, the following assumption can be made.
And that is that the only way you're able to say on my radio program tonight what you're saying, the only way you're able to say that is because they want it said, which makes you an agent of disinformation or of a partial truth or even a truth that they, in quotes, want out.
I mean, obviously, I do not consider myself a fool.
I have spent with my colleagues 15 years against very considerable odds trying to get one agency, NASA, to be held accountable for a set of extraordinary images with stunning implications taken 20 years ago.
This spring, with the help of this audience listening tonight, we got three sets of images.
And the lies and the deception and the double dealing on those images would fill 10 history books.
With people like Van Flandin, on the one hand, saying it's a billion to one now that they're not natural.
You have the official government line.
It's all over.
It's tricks of light and shadow, end of discussion.
And for a lot of people, not in the fray, they believe we're right or we're wrong and they're right.
But there are other things going to come.
Let me give you my take.
You asked a very perceptive question a while ago, and that was, if what Vance is discussing tonight is accurate, if there were missiles fired across Tokyo to either disinter or to attack a target or hit a nuclear reactor, and someone revealed that information, I'll advance tonight, and he and me last night.
And it has to do with what happened to Flight 800, TWA 800.
Around 800, as you know, I got pulled into this by people calling me, very similar to what's happened the last few days, giving me information stories from military sources, from FAA sources, from pilot sources, From Boeing engineer sources, and my conclusion, even before you found Commander Donaldson, was that that aircraft was shot down with a missile.
But why then would everyone go along with a cover-up from the FBI to the White House to the Navy to the NNTSB, et cetera, et cetera?
Because if there is an internal war art between factions of this government, and everybody's enemy is the public, you know, they may have enemies among themselves, but the greater enemy is the public because the public, if they get awakened, can bring a stop to it.
Then it's in everyone's interest not to tip the scales too far to reveal the presence of the war.
If you start arresting people and putting them in Leavenworth and having trials for leakage of information, you basically tip your hand that there is an internal civil war going on.
And then for the same reason, the advance and company were let go with honorable discharges when by their own rights they should have been made absolute examples of what you do not do when you are serving God and nation.
So the fact that that did not happen means that the preservation of the secrecy on the internal war supersedes everything on both sides, and it's not just two sides.
It's more than two sides.
That being the case, I can give you more sources in addition to Vance who have called us, who talked to some with voice changers, et cetera paranoids, who are telling similar stories.
With regard to the when I said last night to Colonel to Major Dames, it's because these honorable, patriotic soldiers are now believing they have been sold out, that they have been lied to, that their constitution is in the process of being tattered right in front of their eyes, that the chain of command is disintegrating.
I was not whistling Dickie.
I was telling it exactly as I perceive it from first-hand sourcing.
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And what the statements that I have had sent to me are, of what was said of that talk, Ed Dames confirmed it.
Very much so.
Because the true power does lie in the hands of the people.
The people have the power to change, to request, to enforce.
Let's see, yeah, but for the sake of the Richard, Richard, for the sake of this discussion, let's assume it's all true and that there is this secret government within our government, one that would actually subvert the Constitution, our entire way of life, the USA, blah, blah, blah.
There's no way that I could believe that this group would allow this kind of exposure without killing somebody.
Arthur, when you create bodies, you create questions.
Well, the immediate parameter is to keep questions from being asked, to relegate those of us who are pressing the envelope, seeking hard answers to the fringe.
Which means there was someone who understood due process and constitutional law and the uniform code of military justice and following the letter of the law, not making the law unto yourself.
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And we did change some things.
We were the first to ever do this in the history of the United States.
And most likely, we will be the last as a group.
Because they did change the military justice booklet to make sure this doesn't happen again.
You mean they've actually modified the uniform code of the military justice.
They did.
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Yes, they did.
They made it.
In what way?
They made it, and I have it on my release documents, in the documents from the military and from NSCOM, that if you are in intelligence field and you go AWAL, it can be considered a death sentence in a time of war, just the same as it's treated as a deserter is treated in a time of war.
Sure.
that this is called special dispensation upon people who have TSE clearances and work in the intelligence community.
Now, let me ask a very important question, all right, which is, if Ed is sincere, if Ed is honest, if Ed is consistent with his role in the U.S. Armed Forces and his role as a technical remote viewer,
reporting the astonishing, world-shattering events that he has sat on this show and reported, doesn't this transgress some national security code?
Don't you think somewhere someone would say, wait, you're talking about blowing the sun up.
Richard, in his defense, he is now running a private company, and the information gleaned has been since he's out of the military and inside tech.
In fact, that's, I've asked him about it.
He says that's why he left the military, because he began to get this kind of information as part of the remote viewing program, and he wanted to move into the world and investigate all of this.
So he's found this out as a civilian, not, he rarely talks about intel from when he was in the military.
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And I watched very carefully how I step around that when I was in also, Art, as we did on your show a few years ago.
Because there's things I will not discuss that I worked on within that community from 1984 to 1990.
Well, in your case, Vance, what the hell difference would it make?
I mean, if you can sit here and tell us there's about to be a coup d'etat with the nation taking over from within.
And that's where you ought to be able to say anything.
Everything else would be small potatoes.
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That's where my attitude and my view of things, doing research over the past eight years, in the past three years, forming a company and lately in a corporation, yes, I have a policy that I have always tried to follow, Art, and that is honesty, integrity, and truth.
I believe in freedom of choice.
And some people are not letting the public or letting certain people know that there are choices out there, and there's a perception of doom and gloom when all that can be changed.
When the people that live and work and give the government their hard-earned money have the right to make changes and demand changes and demand truth.
I mean, NSA was set up with their money.
The intelligence community was set up with their money.
Yet it's the most secretive organization amongst other.
It's like you call the ABC government, okay, is what we call it.
I've asked every remote viewer that I've had on, and I think I've had most of them, if not all, and they all say remote viewing has ended, which is interesting because if it worked, it wouldn't have been ended.
I mean, anybody with two cents worth of common sense would know politics or not, chuckle factor or not, if it really worked, it would still be going on now, period.
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Even if it worked 25% of the time, it would still use it.
Let me say why I got really intrigued with Vance's story and his abilities and his collaboration, apart from the political aspects, the government within a government and a cadre, as I said last night, that exists to suppress information that people deserve to know about.
As you know, I'm pursuing the line of the hyperdimensional physics model.
As part of the paper which is on the web, we strongly started looking for an original copy of Maxwell's original 1873 treatise, which is the one with the original Quaternion equations, or space equations, that basically described theoretically how Ed Dames and Vance Davis and other remote viewers can do what they do.
It's the theoretical backbone, the unified field theory underlying, among other things, the concept of remote viewing.
In other words, consciousness is a facet of this physics.
And its ability to transcend conventional space-time coordinates and constraints is implicit in a hyperdimensional model that transcends three-dimensional space-time constraints.
And we don't get into the details tonight because we don't have time.
But the point is, we were given suddenly, a few days ago, an original copy of Maxwell's 1873 treatise in two volumes.
900 pages.
$3,500 as a gift to enterprise.
And we are now in the process of designing a mechanism to put it on the web, unexpurgated in all its splendor and fascination.
It has not been seen by most physicists ever and by more than a select handful.
I've heard from a handful of scientists, mathematicians, people in the hard sciences who have read your paper on the web and really do think there is something to it.
And what I want to do, if we're going to spend another hour together, I want to keep the two of you online and begin to bring the audience online and let them ask either Vance or you any question they want.
Did you hear tonight the report out of Moscow that the Heno the Duma, the communist leadership, was saying that Yeltsin was pushing the country close to civil war?
That statement was made that Yeltsin is pushing the country, Russia, into civil war.
That could happen.
I'm Marcel.
Well, boy, I'll tell you, we are really in the middle of something here.
Vance Davis is here.
Vance has a really strange background, to say the least, including being in the NSA.
He says, Richard quotes Vance as a source for the statement made last night about the missile that was fired that is strange.
I mean, you go look at a world map, folks.
Look at Korea.
Just find Korea on the map.
It's not that hard if you have a globe in your house.
And look very carefully at what they could have done versus what they did.
North Korea could have fired this missile or missiles, depending on your point of view, directly south.
You can see that on a map.
They would have crossed nobody's territory.
North Korea juts out from the south.
So they could have fired it south into the ocean, but they didn't.
They fired it or them east, toward and over Japan.
It would seem on the face of it to be a very poor decision.
I mean, go look at the globe yourself or a map and you'll see what I mean.
Vance is saying he's got sources that remain in NSA that have told him all of this.
We're about to let the audience ask questions, but we definitely do want to talk a little bit about Russia if Vance has information on Russia.
And here they are again, Richard and Vance.
And you want to say one more time, please, what you know about what's going on in Russia.
I just got news on CNN that, in fact, the Duma has agreed to vote one more time soon, maybe as early as Friday, on Chernimirdin.
I don't think that he's going to get through.
That's my take on it.
Maybe the third time around, but maybe not at all.
And you say there's a general in Russia in league with bin Laden, that horrid little terrorist that we just tried to not kill when we bombed the hell out of where he was.
Officially, we tried to not kill him, is what they said.
And that there's going to be a civil war in Russia.
In fact, the Duma did say that Yeltsin was pushing the country towards civil war.
And you're saying that is...
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Yes, very strong, very strong probability that's going to occur.
I don't see the Duma putting an intramerid.
They're tired.
They've been promised other avenues of getting their power back.
And we have to remember, the same people that ran Russia before they supposedly fell and became a democracy are still in power today.
That hasn't really changed.
It's a lot of games and a very intricate, very deep web game being wound in all this stuff that we're playing with here and over the months you've been talking about on your radio show and so forth.
Qaddafi, who has been a thorn in our side since the 80s with the peanut man, our very esteemed president, the last Democrat president, in fact, before Clinton, has one thing has happened that has really messed up the Muslim world in a sense.
And that is, Russia is sighting, and I'll use a word I was told, fighted with the Great Western Snake.
Now, there used to be an old flag of the Republic of the United States, which was one of the original flags in the early part of the last century, which had, you know, stars and stripes and the banner and a logo, Don't Tread on Me.
There is one of the original 13 colonies, I think it's Vermont, state of Vermont, whose state flag is still the Don't Tread on Me.
Today, Yeltsin presented in Moscow a replica of that old flag to William Jefferson Clinton.
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And as I told Richard, and Richard kind of knew this, he's seen it, they do have a golden torch in Moscow given as a gift and built to replace the stolen statue.
I've got faxes buried in me here in my room, and I'm going to give you some idea of the kind of responses I'm getting right now, and then we're going to go to the phones.
Here's one.
Please ask your guests if the missiles launched toward and over Japan had warheads, and if so, were the warheads conventional or nuclear?
If we are dealing with an unconventional physics that allows us to transcend space and time and view events halfway around the world, Russian submarines, all the interesting skull duggery that Ed and his colleagues were involved in, and the people at SRI before,
and Hal put off before that, and Vance after that, then why are we limiting the abnormal and forbidding us to consider that Ouija boards are also another technological tool of this hyperdimensional physics?
In other words, once you have crossed the Rubicon, all bets are off, and we must assess the data in terms of its intrinsic value, not in terms of a prejudice as to its source.
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Now, let me make a comment there on top of that, Richard.
The Ouija board was a tool to focus the information that the body was receiving, not the other way around.
The Ouija board received nothing.
It was the body, my body, with Ken, Beeson, sitting on the other side, receiving information in our brain, translating it, putting it onto the board.
No, I am a Christian art, and I stay away from the satanic or the dark side of movement because it builds chaos, it builds fear, it feels doom and gloom, and I believe it's in our power.
You had a gentleman art, I believe, that I love that claimed he could move clouds, and you guys did experiments?
Okay, as far as the Ouija stuff, that's interesting you brought it up because when I was at DLI, we used to play on the Ouija board.
And until about the time somebody got kind of like a case of possession, and then we decided not to do that anymore.
And that is a danger, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it was a lot of fun goofing around with spirits and stuff, and weird stuff really started happening, and so we just said, no, we're not going to do that.
I will tell you this, Color, I don't necessarily agree with channeling because I believe the same danger lies there.
Well, you just, like, lay yourself open to whatever comes along.
If you say, come on in, well, whatever.
I get a real impression.
I mean, I don't want to digress too far from what we're talking about, or what you guys are talking about.
But I found that what I could tell, and I actually met a guy who is another Charlie there that he was really into that for some time until he got himself spiritually in trouble with it.
By his own admission, he said he accepted a sin, which got him in really big trouble.
But there are spirits, good, bad, and we don't have a lot of time.
I don't want to digress too much, but you can't count on what's on the other end.
As far as the stuff from what you're talking about with the Koreans and all that stuff and what you get from the NSA and all that,
for all the things that you mentioned and how they're keeping all that stuff separate, the information filtered and stuff, one thing that principles, as I recall from very basic schooling, was filtration is the normal thing for many presidents.
Yeah, you put a soap in a sock, and you beat the hell out of the person, and it doesn't leave any marks.
That was stopped immediately by a colonel and said, you will not touch these soldiers.
No one will discuss with them, talk to them, or anything.
All we were, we were in three days of interrogation, Christine.
And on that third day, a phone call came in.
This is a true story.
It can be corroborated.
That a call from the White House came in to Fort Benning, Georgia, and the investigators were told to wrap it up and end it, that we were being released.
A concern I have, and I think Richard has the same concern if you're right, Richard.
Right now, our president is in Russia.
Whether we like his politics or the person or whatever is not an issue.
He is our elected official in charge of our business, our nation, the top CEO, if you want to call it.
And with things going on in Russia and bin Laden and Qaddafi being involved with the information we have, I would like to put out that I hope his security team is really, really checking everything out over there because it is my perception that something has been set up to occur.
My point is that Nostradamus somehow foresaw certain interesting events, which various people now claim have come true or have not come true, the most intriguing of which is events around the end times.
The Armageddon script.
The end of the world, the end of history.
And a key part of that has to do with a blue-turbaned Muslim figure rising from Russia and initiating World War III.
The other day, when from this separate sourcing, Qaddafi's nuclear Hajj and then the Hill came to light, my instinct was to turn to Vance, who has absolute experience in dealing with these cutting-edge issues, and ask him to focus on two things, Gaddafi and Moscow.
What he came up with, in particular in terms of an agenda in Palestine, an agenda on the West Bank, an agenda in the Middle East dealing with Qaddafi and with a fundamentalist Islamic jihad, is so startling that it demands that we focus some attention tonight on what that sourcing is telling us.
What does the woman with the torch shall die part mean?
That means the Statue of Liberty?
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That is one implication.
I believe, and Richard and I may disagree or agree on this, that I believe there may be a terrorist act pending upon the Statue of Liberty in New York, which would shake the foundation of this nation for a short period.
And so many of the things that I have heard tonight imply, either directly stated or implied by Vance and Richard tonight, remind me so much of so many things that Sean David Morton said about what's going on.
Okay, well, he missed that one, so what is your question?
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Well, like I said, it's not so much a question.
Your statement is that it meshes so well with what he said about and even the developments in Russia that Sean David Morton had stated that President Clinton was ready to sacrifice his country to the New World Order.
One of the things that he did was make us, our military targets in this country, vulnerable to Russian missile attack.
And the final thing that really clinched it is just simply he mentioned.
All right, well, it seems to me, Caller, with all due respect, we can't have our cake and eat it too here.
Either President Clinton is part of the New World Order, ready to sacrifice America to the New World Order.
He's a puppet, or he's the uninformed, popular elected guy who doesn't know what the hell's going on because there's a secret government.
Now, it can't be both.
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I'm suggesting that he's being manipulated, and that was one of the things that was said in that interview.
All right.
Let me make a statement to that, Richard, please.
Because me and Art and Richard, because Richard and I had this discussion the other night, and I said, Mr. Clinton is a patsy or a use or a cover by other forces.
But he has a belief, Art, Mr. Clinton does, that he is here to make a difference, that he wants to leave his mark upon the public and upon the world.
Well, I still say you can't have a president who's not clued in on what's really going on with regard to a government within a government, if that's the theory, and at the same time have a president who's bound and determined, as was suggested, to turn us over without firing a shot, if possible, to the New World Order folks.
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I totally agree with you, or I'm just saying his attitude can set that up.
I don't think he's purposely trying to turn us over.
I think he knows something's going on, but someone isn't telling him all the information he feels he needs.
Remote viewing is somebody who is a disciplined psychic.
In other words, the military established certain protocols over a 20-year period to, in effect, discipline psychics so they could visualize military targets, visualize gas canisters in Iraq, that kind of thing.
Okay, and all the guys that were with you, they were all in your same section, all 05Ks?
No.
Annette was my analyst.
She worked the day shift.
Charles?
Ken worked a different section, although he was an O5K trained.
Okay.
And yes, we were all O5K trained, although we worked in separate areas.
Okay, and, geez, you guys did this on your own?
Yes, we did.
In the building, you know, at the Flare 9 or in the barracks?
Is this something you guys did in the box or outside of the box?
We did most of the sessions, all the sessions were done outside the box.
Okay, what did you do to the tasking format?
I mean, like, how did you go about picking the topics of what you wanted to get information about?
Before each session, which would be, a couple weeks would pass before we even did that, we would write down questions off the previous session and write down very distinct the old practice, and it sounds like you've been there, done that, and all that fun stuff,
wore the shirt, that we used our training and being analysts to write down very direct, very pointed questions, not generalizing everything as is done in a lot of circles.
Okay, and did you guys try to put any of the information you got into the system?
Yes, we did.
We discussed with a couple officers.
One of them, who was fairly high-ranking, I don't want to give out a rank or a name, told us that we could not put this into the system because it would cause problems and that the system had been usurped in many areas.
It would not get to the source that it would need to get to.
And, you know, I was tempted to say, Vance, through some portion of tonight's show, geez, what a bunch of crap.
But I'm now leaning pretty solidly in the other direction.
You were, I don't think that back when I heard about the Gulf Breeze 6, even when I had you on the air, that I properly understood exactly what happened.
And what I'm now Beginning to realize is that you were using this Ouija board only as a conduit.
Essentially, you were doing remote viewing or working in that realm, gathering information and attempting to pass it back to the government.
Mark, you know, someday we have to do, and I'll discuss, you know, obviously off the earth the timing, we need to do a show on consciousness and the physics.
Because there are other people that I will introduce you to who are in the civilian community doing astonishing, corroborative work using this technology in ways that have nothing to do with the military or national security agenda.
But are helping mankind in ways that desperately need to be accelerated.
This is Robert, San Joaquin Rally, California, Sam.
Hello there.
Well, I'm becoming nervous.
This show is really something.
I've got a couple important things, but before I do, when you talk to Stan Dale Perth, if you haven't already heard this, I heard one report and then there wasn't any other information about the water contamination in Australia.
Well, our fax number at Enterprise is 505-771-0820.
In terms of the physics, Tom Bearden and Tom Van Flander and myself are going to be in Seattle at the Seattle Center laying out a lot of the background to what I'm terming the Armageddon script, which is a lot of what we did not get into tonight.
At the Seattle Center on the 26th and 27th of September, there's a contact number, 360-491-3714.
There's a link on our website to the information through your website at arcbell.com.
And I guess I'd like people to keep asking questions.
When you see something on CNN, when someone lobs a missile over another country and our State Department and the Pentagon say, ah, it's just a test, don't settle for second best.
Ask questions.
The one thing that I think we can agree on tonight is that we need more and better questions.
These are extremely dangerous times.
But as Vance said earlier, I think we have the potential to rise above the times.