Albert Taylor, metaphysical researcher and author of Soul Traveler, explores spontaneous out-of-body experiences (OBEs) like Art Bell’s Paris encounter—sudden acceleration, distant perception, and joy tied to higher consciousness. Unlike dreams, OBEs reveal astral or etheric bodies, with Taylor dismissing fears of negative forces, body takeovers, or deceased relatives hijacking travel. His revised book, updated after four more years of OBEs, serves as a guide for others to experience these phenomena safely, emphasizing neutrality over fear. Bell’s rare childhood recall and positive OBE contrast with callers’ unsettling accounts, like Ted’s pre-dawn "evil" entity repulsion, underscoring how these experiences reshape understanding of spirit and death. [Automatically generated summary]
Good morning, Mr. Kate across all these many specific types of stretching from the Southwest Eastward to the European South all the way to the pole.
This is close to the close thing on the market.
We're going to be in open mind this hour.
And what do I have some news for you?
Next hour, we're going to be joined by Albert Taylor, the author of Soul Traveler.
And I have a really special reason for having him along.
He's been with us, I don't know, a dozen times over the years.
And he is probably, in my opinion, the world's leading authority on this thing called Soul Travel.
And as you know, I've had a significant thing occur to me in Paris, and so I jumped on Al Tiller real quickly, and we'll talk about that in the next hour.
This hour.
Let me see.
Spokesman Mike McCurry is going.
White House spokesman out.
His deputy will take over.
Joe Lockhart.
I've kind of enjoyed McCurry.
McCurry has a kind of a dry sense of humor, which, as you know, I enjoy because I kind of have one myself, and so I enjoy one.
Sometimes people tend to mistake people who have a dry sense of humor for all kinds of things.
You know, they take it the wrong way.
I've always had that.
So I'm sorry to see McCurry go.
I've kind of enjoyed him.
Pope John Paul II tightened Vatican control over national bishops' conferences today, making it harder in some cases for them to speak out on divisive issues such as homosexuality.
The Pope's new rules require bishops' conferences to reach unanimous agreement before issuing declarations on issues of doctrine.
If they cannot, they must get approval from the Vatican.
Very interesting.
The U.S. stock market taking a big hit, 196 points down, and that would be the fourth straight day of a downturn for the market.
Ellen Greenspan has made some remarks that may be contributing to it, earnings reports contributing to it.
And if this is not a quickening item, I don't know what it is.
The following is from Reuters News Service.
A melting Antarctic glacier could lead to the collapse of the West Antarctic ice sheet, causing global sea levels to rise about 20 feet.
Now, that's a hell of a paragraph when you think about it.
What do you think would happen if global sea levels rose 20 feet?
Radar images from satellite observations between 1992 and 96 of Pine Island Glacier in West Antarctica showed the glacier, in fact, is shrinking.
Eric Rignaught, a radar scientist at the Jet Propulsion Lab in California, who led the study, said, quote, it is important because it could lead to a collapse of the West Antarctic ice sheet.
He said, we are seeing a glacier melt in the heart of Antarctica.
Antarctica, the fifth largest continent, is almost completely covered with ice now.
About 90% of the world's glacial ice is in Antarctica.
But scientists say this data from remote and stormy West Antarctica could be the first real evidence that some of these massive glaciers might actually be rapidly retreating.
Now, what would it mean if the Western WAIS did collapse?
It would push sea levels up throughout the world, with regions near sea level experiencing more flooding and faster erosion.
Some of them obviously would disappear.
Now, I don't know how far above sea level you live, but we're talking about sea levels worldwide raising 20 feet.
There is no example of anything in West Antarctica that is retreating that fast, said the scientist.
This is the farthest south this phenomenon has been observed ever.
So take that as you will, ladies and gentlemen.
I don't know whether you want to call it global warming.
When you say the words global warming, it conjures up an immediate political battle.
So look, call it what you want.
But a lot of things are obvious and are occurring.
The weather is changing.
Not too many arguments about that anymore.
The ice caps appear to be melting.
Not very many scientific arguments about that anymore.
Here is an interesting little message from Australia.
I am located at McKay, Queensland, Australia.
It reads 149 degrees, 10 minutes and 30 seconds east and 21 degrees, 8 minutes south.
I have a liquid-filled compass mounted on my office wall.
It was set up to reverse read north about 18 months ago as I was aware of magnetic disturbances about six years ago.
The time is now 0,245 a.m.
Eastern, and the compass is showing a north magnetic deviation of 5 degrees west.
I hadn't looked at it for days, but your post, responding to another person, prompted me to send this message.
This message was received by Jim Birkland, who said, hey Art, on receiving this message, I checked my own liquid-filled marine compass set at due north today, and guess what?
It reads 5 degrees northeast.
You just might ask some of your great audience for more confirmation of this unusual magnetic anomaly.
Jim Birkland.
Jim Birkland, the geologist.
Well, let me tell you, this is not the first time, as many of you know, that we have noted a magnetic anomaly.
What I wanted to say, Colonel Haynes, you've got to have a red face because I'm sure it's going to reach just the Bentagon because for Dr. Johnson to come out and say, hey, I took the pictures, that's pretty strong.
We're getting inches by inches, we're getting closer.
Yes, I thought yesterday's program was very important.
I think that without doubt, we proved that what was there was, at the very least, a combination of a weather balloon of some sort, some type, and things that had nothing at all to do with a weather balloon.
And I think that fact requires an explanation from the Air Force.
And they are welcome to examine the photographs.
They are genuine.
We had the man here on the air who took them ever so long ago, a half century ago.
He affirms these are the photographs.
We had an expert on who affirms some of the material in those photographs definitely is not part of any balloon.
Well, the interesting thing about it was the report that, you know, they were extraneous to the design, but the microprocessors wouldn't work without them.
If I had this gun, it's kind of like if you had some really interesting mental power and you could read people's minds, you would have to think about a hundred times before you ever told somebody that.
Why?
Because you're liable to end up on some government table dissected piece by piece.
And I talked about cloning, and I mentioned the Philadelphia experiment, which I've learned a lot more about from your program, and a few other things, including some ideas I gave to the late Senator Barry Goldwater, who unfortunately died right about the same time I sent this package.
Well, I appreciate the call, and it sounds like a great idea to me, but it's a little like submitting a plan to prevent the assassination of President Kennedy to President Clinton.
When I aired it, and I would say I was the first in the country to air it, everybody sent me mail and said, you are such a liar, there's no such thing.
And now, of course, it's showing up in newspapers all over the country.
My granddaughter, our grandsons live with me, and they have a poodle.
And the poodle likes to swing on swings.
We have an old-fashioned lawn swing in the backyard, and my son-in-law was swinging on it, and then he came in the house and came back out.
Here's the poodle sitting on the swing, swinging himself.
My daughter went down to the park with him one day, and he pulled the leash over by the swing, so she stuck him in the kitty swings, and he's just in seventh heaven.
I wonder if anybody else has a dog that likes to swing.
Well, I thank you for the call, and I guess the southern latitudes, at least in the initial stages of this, don't have anything to worry about.
But if you're up north, be prepared for light.
Now, let's see, if they were to do this in November, for example, in Anchorage or Fairbanks, where normally it is very dark, well, you guys are going to get a real treat.
You're going to get sudden light.
See, in Fairbanks, by November 9th, I would guess most of the day would be darkness.
Most of the night?
All of the night would be darkness, and the majority of the day as well.
And so it would be a very dramatic appearance indeed.
I just wanted to let you know that since that time, I've come to realize that the I guess that the American Red Cross now gives CPR lessons to pet owners on how to revive your pet.
It is, and there really is some interesting news going on.
I've got a story here about a gun that you just wouldn't believe.
Somebody called in the last half hour and said that they had just received news, actually ran on ABC, that some microprocessor chips had been noticed to modify themselves of late.
And I'm digging for information on that one too.
Coming up in just a few moments is Albert Taylor, Dr. Al Taylor.
And of course, he has a book called Soul Traveler and a very, very, very unique, and I'm going to try and find some words for it.
I had a hell of a thing happen to me in Paris, and I'm going to talk about it with Al in a moment.
Now, Al's book is not available right now.
How about that?
Having a guest on who doesn't even have a book available right now.
It's all sold out.
But it will be coming out big time, along with a big, I don't know, like 15-city tour or something in August or September.
We'll ask Al about that.
But because of what happened to me in Paris, I wanted to have Al on for just a little while tonight to kind of roll through what happened to me.
It was the most unusual experience of my life.
There is no question about it.
Now, in just a moment, you are about to meet a truly fascinating man who introduced me, I guess, in a way, to the reality of travel outside the body or the prospect of it.
And for so long, I intellectualized about it and listened to stories about it and heard from so many of you about it.
And then all of a sudden, with no warning whatsoever, it happened to me.
All right, aeronautical engineer-scientist Albert Taylor spent almost two decades evaluating satellite system designs and multiple government-classified programs, including the Star Wars and F-117A stealth fighter programs, at major aerospace companies in Southern California.
The knowledge he gained there eventually led to his involvement in NASA's International Space Station program.
And by the way, there is an announcement tonight indicating the space station, the International Space Station, again, is going to be delayed.
Albert has also developed two prototype computers and taught art and logistics engineering, real hands-on engineering, huh?
Al Taylor is currently a metaphysical researcher, lecturer, and artist.
He is an active member of the International Association of Near-Death Studies, a participant in the Monroe Institute's Voyagers program, and volunteers his time at a Los Angeles Hospital Hospice program.
Just before we get into the real meat of where we're going here, there is a very, very interesting, I know that you did work on satellites, and there's a very interesting story.
I don't know if you heard me talking about it on the air or not, but it seems the Russians have some pretty interesting plans.
They are going to launch November 9th, or within days of that date, a reflector into space that will reflect back to Earth about 10 times the light of a full moon.
Now, that will be a test that will last just a few days.
It is then going to be followed by, this is Energia, a big consortium of Energia.
Then they are going to launch hundreds of satellites, each one capable of reflecting back to Earth 100 times the light of a full moon.
It slipped from 1992 to 4, then 95 to 96, to 97 to 98.
Now it looks like NASA's space station is delayed again.
Not only that, the SALL space station will cost more than promised because of all the setbacks and changes, at least $3.6 billion more for now a whopping 21% increase.
You know, we've been using the Russian Mir space station, and that thing is really in bad shape.
We really need an international space station, not just for different types of experiments and things that we're going to develop, but also as kind of a transit base to the moon and to Mars.
But here I was laying there, and this is going to be hard, Albert, because it's hard to come up with the words to impart the profound feeling that I had.
But all at once, with no notice whatsoever, no buzzing, no humming, no feeling of being paralyzed, Albert, I shot up like a rocket.
I mean, straight up, like that.
There was absolutely, even though there was tremendous acceleration, there was no feeling of, no feeling of acceleration.
In other words, when you accelerate, you expect to be pushed back in your seat, or you've seen the photographs of the astronauts with their lips beginning to curl back as the acceleration presses on them.
No physical feeling of acceleration whatsoever.
But the acceleration was tremendous.
I just went whoosh, right up and out.
I was above Paris.
I was looking down on Paris.
I was looking down on the Eiffel Tower.
I was looking down on the hotel and the downtown section.
But that was all secondary.
What I really felt, and this is where words begin to fail me, I felt this of this incredibly profound joy.
Joy is not the right word.
Rapture.
A feeling of rapture.
I mean, just a wondrous feeling.
And it so surprised me, and it shocked me so much that I snapped right back.
You don't necessarily have to experience all the buzzing, the vibration, and the heaviness and the shortness of breath and all that.
Sometimes you can transition that so quickly that you just accelerate to extreme distances.
You know, the wonderful thing about this whole thing, Art, is that since you've experienced this, like I said before, you've gone from a belief or trying to understand it to an actual knowing.
No matter what anyone else says to you ever again in life, you can't look at it differently.
You will look at it this way forever.
And the most wonderful thing about the whole experience, Art, is that's as dead as you're ever going to get.
That's as dead as you're ever going to get.
That's what it feels like to be dead.
So if that's what it feels like and it was a wonderful experience, then that should take a little bit of the fear out of death.
Now, I can't know for sure that what you say is so, that, in other words, that I did this while I'm alive.
Now, I don't know what lies beyond the barrier of death.
I have no way of knowing for sure.
But I do know that this happened to me, and I do know there is no question about it.
My spirit, my essence was absolutely flat out of my body.
It was very short, or at least it seemed extremely short to me.
And there's no real reference of time.
I do remember seeing the physical things below me, but they were absolutely secondary to this immense joy that I was having, this immense feeling of, oh, God, what's the right word?
I mean, it was so astoundingly wonderful that there was a letdown when I got back.
I mean, there was a surprise and a joy at it having happened, but there was a letdown when I got back in the sense that, oh, I want to go back there again.
I have, when I'm working, when I'm doing the program, as I am now, I have by necessity, an extremely structured life.
In other words, I'm on the air at a certain time.
I've got to devote five hours to the program, X number of hours to preparing for the program, and business during the day, and I sleep in two segments, one in the morning, one in the afternoon.
It's a very structured day.
It has to be that way.
And it's not that I mind.
It's just the way it is.
And so I've never had this experience.
And so here I go off on vacation, other side of the world, and suddenly my entire schedule has changed.
I'm no longer under any of the pressures that I was under.
I'm on vacation, and suddenly this incredible, astounding thing happens to me.
The obvious question is, was it because I was in a different place?
See, when you sleep a normal eight hours, you sleep, generally you sleep too heavy.
That's why when I wrote in my book, when I discovered what I call the interrupted sleep technique, I found that if I only slept for maybe four hours and I was up for a few hours and I went back to bed, which you may have done kind of in a similar thing in Paris, I was able to leave the body.
Here's somebody who writes, comment for Al Taylor.
Caution, caution, caution, caution.
Art, spontaneous OBEs are one thing.
I've had many, and congrats on your Paris trip.
However, both times that Al Taylor has been on extolling the pleasures of self-induced disturbed sleep for OBEs, in other words, setting your alarm, in essence, to wake you in four hours, he fails to point out the painful consequences and danger to one's physical and mental health.
Any disturbance to stage four deep sleep is the major contributing factor to fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome.
Our four stages of sleep are sequential for a reason.
This is when our bodies are supposed to be repairing and restoring cells and tissues in the joints that we use up daily.
Not flying around the cosmos just for fun.
So he says it's irresponsible not to bring this up, so I am.
Well, all I can say is that I've taught this to literally thousands and thousands and thousands of people.
And I get literally from your show in the last two years hundreds of thousands of letters maybe.
I don't know, so many.
And not one of those people have complained about their bodies, their health degrading, having problems.
Everyone that I've talked to, and this is people who've had near-death experiences and still have out of experiences because of it and hundreds of other people, no one has been worse off.
Almost all have been better off.
So I'm just going by what I've experienced, not what I'm guessing at.
I'd rather go and tell you what I have feedback on and what I experienced myself.
Here I am.
I've been doing it all my life and I'm perfectly fine.
I can only go by that.
Now if it does exist, I will say even if one person wrote me today or even if ten people wrote me today and said they were having problems, they would be in the minority out of all the hundreds of thousands of people who don't have problems.
So I'm not saying that go out and do this.
This is something that you have to really kind of understand that it's a lot more than just the physical body.
The physical body does not dictate the spirit.
It's the other way around.
So all the things that we can say is going to happen to the physical body, it doesn't really apply because the spirit has a lot of control over the body that we don't generally exercise.
Well, it sounds like if you didn't see your hands, your astral hands, which if you would have seen them, you would have definitely remembered them because they look like nothing I've ever seen before.
But if you didn't experience the astral form, then that's another positive thing because that probably implies that you were experiencing the etheric body.
And the etheric body is a lot different than the astral form.
It's not necessarily humanoid.
It's more like a pinpoint of consciousness or even if someone, I'd say, could look at you from afar, you would be this brilliant source of light.
So that may be what you experience.
Usually when I have experienced, because I don't always fly or travel with the astral form, I found out early on that I could leave it.
And when I've done that, that's when usually I can see the room in all directions.
And that's another indication because generally when you just have an astral projection, because not all out of body experiences are astral projection.
There's some beyond the astral plane.
So generally when you have an astral projection, you don't necessarily get that wonderful feeling that you got.
The wonderful feeling comes when you get closer back to where we originated, back to our natural self.
So that's what it sounds like you experienced, which I think is fantastic.
Now, having had this experience and having heard all the fearful condemnations and things that people have said over the last two years and knowing all this, would you want to experience it again?
The people who generally have read about it, heard about it, or not necessarily experiencers, draw upon their everyday life to insert fear into the experience.
But the people who actually have done it find out it is the most incredible and wondrous thing that could ever happen to them.
So you have to, if you expose yourself to many, many, many times, then you become a little bit better at handling the excitement and that type of thing.
But the fact that you did it once, what I find out a lot in the people that I've taught, when you open the gate once, usually it stays open.
So the fact that you had one once means that you can have many, many more.
That may work for you again, but in some other cases, it could just happen spontaneously when you go to sleep at night.
It just depends.
So there's some times that I try to do it and I achieve it, and then there's some other times that it just happens.
And I've known people who didn't prepare for it, didn't have any idea, and all of a sudden they had a spontaneous and they hadn't done anything to change their sleeping calories.
Look, I don't think that Paris had a damn thing to do with it.
I think that what it was was that even though ideally I'm in love with my job, as you know, but it requires my constant attention in just about every way you can imagine.
Listen, by the way, we are having lightning storms right now, and my lights just went out.
I can see my computer is rebooting, and everything's going crazy around here.
The thing about it, Art, is if you really realize and know that you are spirit, you will start looking at the little things that cause us stress as being insignificant.
They no longer stand.
I mean, and when we start letting go of those things, that's when we get closer to this other part of us.
It's the stress and then immersing ourselves in what the five senses are telling us about the physical will, the job, the mortgage, and all that stuff that keeps us at this heightened level of tension that prevents us from relaxing to get to that state.
So that sounds like what happened to you, and I think that's wonderful.
Not reading, not hearing about it, not even believing me.
Because I don't want, I'm not trying to convince anybody.
The way you would know would be to repeat the experience over and over again, and you will find out.
Because first of all, like I said, we just talked about the tip of the iceberg.
When you have these experiences, all of a sudden, you're going to start seeing relatives who've passed away, angels, guides, or whatever you want to call them, non-physicals.
There's a whole lot of things going on there.
And when you have these types of encounters, one thing that you realize, and you will know beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you're not very different from them.
The only difference is that you have a physical body to go back to.
But that's the best way I could say, if anybody really wants to know, please try these experiences.
Don't get locked down into the ones I wrote.
Try as many as you can, because that's the true way of finding out and actually knowing is to experience it.
And there's tons and tons of people who have, and you're one of them.
Because of the popularity of the first book, and I have to say that you have been a major element in that, I have recently rewritten the book for Dutton, Penguin Putnam.
And the new book, Soul Traveler, will be out on August 25th.
What I really like about this book is it's up-to-date in comparison to the other one.
It has my understanding of my experiences now.
And what I did is I get so many letters asking me questions.
And what I did is I wrote in the book and I answered a lot of those questions.
So I have four years of experiences since then that I have, that have answered so many questions that I posed in the first book, and I decided to write it into the book.
Plus, I've gotten so many questions from people about experiences and I got a chance to answer that.
So it's a very good, well-rounded book and I think it's a great read and I feel very, very confident about it.
It'll be in all the major bookstores, Barnes and Noble Borders.
It's on the parent company is Dutton, but it will be on the Penguin Putman label.
It's got a brand new cover, which is wonderful.
And I think it's packed full of wonderful answers and information and truly an understanding of the experience far more than what I wrote in the first one.
It's a guideline because, like I said, I don't want people to get stuck in just what I wrote about and the techniques that I wrote about because everybody's different.
These are just some techniques that seem to work for a majority of people.
There are all kinds of other ways.
So I would say it's a guide to help you get to where you want to get.
Once you use some of the techniques and experiment with them a little bit, you don't have to stick with Exactly how I wrote it.
You will never, ever look at your life or anybody else's life ever again the same.
So it is a big deal, and your enthusiasm is the same enthusiasm that I have for it, and I've been doing it for a long time.
So I totally understand, and that's what's so positive about it, is it's a wonderful thing to really, really find out that you are more than just the physical body and that you can do these incredible things.
Randy, if you're not a first-time caller, I can't take you on this line.
unidentified
Well, in a sense, I am, because it's the OBE, I faxed you, and I was asking you about it, and you couldn't answer, I guess.
But what I'm asking is, I've done those.
It took me 17 years to do it.
I read about it like 17 years ago.
I'm 34 years old now.
And I finally started doing them within the last year or so.
And I've always had these questions, and I knew one night we'd get the answer.
So here's the question for Mr. Taylor, Dr. Taylor.
And that is, while the soul is out of the body, two questions in fact.
One, Can another soul that's traveling take over the body?
And secondly, some of the people that you see, some of the other souls that are around you, are those people who are astrally traveling and don't know that they're doing it, or people who may not be aware of it, but they're just doing it because I've met like a couple of people that I know, and one of them told me that she's dead, and I don't know how to get in touch with her in the living world.
So I was wondering, is that a way of contact with the world?
Now, a lot of people ask me, that's the biggest fear, is can someone take over your body?
And the thing is, is that I would say, first of all, no.
There's nothing to worry about that because there's a lot of organization going on, the divine organization, and you have been given your body for a particular reason, and that's to learn here on earth.
That's not going to be interrupted just because you occasionally leave the body.
That has nothing to do with it.
There is a major plan, and every one of us is a valued member of that plan.
So the plan is more important than worrying about someone taking over your body.
So the thing is, when I started writing this book, the toughest thing I had to do was transfer or transfer that type of experience into the English language that can really justify it.
unidentified
Because it really goes beyond anything I can put into words.
Well, what we're talking about here is perception.
And you perceived it to be evil.
And if you think in that direction, everything else will quickly follow.
You will perceive, and matter of fact, the fear that you would feel in that state will be ten times as much as the fear that you feel in the normal state.
But what we're really talking about here is a perception.
Because what happened, it didn't do anything to indicate any type of evil, you just perceived it that way.
Now the next time you have that type of experience, try to just be neutral.
Try not to judge what it is, try not to guess, because what you're drawing on is your life here on earth.
I don't know how many horror movies you've seen, but I've seen tons of them.
And I don't want to draw on any of that.
And that's what I was finding out was contaminating my out-of-body experiences.
And I was really scaring myself.
So next time, try to be neutral.
And then you might see something a little different unfold.
That's difficult because you have to care about them in some kind of way.
When you're out of body, if you don't think about them, generally you're not going to go there.
You're only going to go on what really has an emotional impact on you because that seems to be the only thing that you can remember when you're out of body anyway.
Okay, the first thing I tell people, if you do have one, I say document everything you did that day.
Time you ate, the time you went to sleep, how you felt, everything.
And then try to duplicate that the best you can.
That's how I stumbled upon the interrupted sleep technique technique is because I duplicated it and oh my god, it was working.
It worked like eight out of ten times.
Now the only way to become proficient in it is like riding a bike.
You've got to get on the bike and pedal.
The better and more and more you spend on the seat or flying or out of the seats, I should say, the more and more you do that, the better and better you get.
Yeah, but the thing here we're talking about is to achieve an altered state of consciousness.
Gotcha.
Many people have used meditation.
During meditation, you actually relax the body.
You do deep breathing or whatever.
Now, if you're living in a stressful life, what many of us do here in the States, of course, that's going to keep you further and further away from actually achieving this altered state.
But you took like a vacation from your stressful life.
So I would say that in this, even being back here, maybe you want to re-examine some of the things that cause you stress and reduce them because they're really not as important as sometimes we make them out to be.
Because I know this, because you had this experience and it was wonderful, I really feel that you would want to do it as many times as possible.
So that's the trade-off.
What is more important than this experience in my life?
And I'll tell you, a lot of things in my life, I have just totally shrugged off because they really aren't as important as I thought they were.
Well, I'd say I wouldn't say that unless I had through many, many experiences, encountered my dead aunt many times, dead friend, and conversed with them.
Not just, oh, there they are, but actually share thought forms.
Robert Monroe talked about it.
It's not like speaking, even though it's speaking and more.
And through these thought forms, like you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you left the body and you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have this experience, that's the same kind of knowing you get with these thought forms.
And you start identifying with the beings that you have encounters with.
And you get to the point where you know beyond the shadow of a doubt that there's very little difference between you and them.
And the only difference is, is that you have a physical body to come back to.
So that's what I'm sharing is because of these numerous encounters and identifying and relating to these beings and a host of other things that I've really come to the understanding that that is as dead as you get.
Plus, I talked to Daniel about it and he totally identified with what I was saying and he'd had a near-death experience.
Now I've talked to, I'm a member of the International Association of Near-Death Studies, and I've literally talked to the largest group in the U.S. IANS group, which is in Seattle, and all of those people are a validation to me.
So it's not just my experiences, but it's other experiences, people who've had them, and it's kind of how I put this puzzle together to help me understand.
And I started having these experiences when I was like 10 years old.
I remember.
I'm 25 years old now.
And I used to like lay next to my parents and start having these experiences which I didn't know what was happening and I really couldn't you know tell anyone about about it.
But the first time I listened to you Doctor Taylor on your program, you know, I realized what what was it about and uh I went out and bought his book the next day and uh read it all and uh after that I ha I mean ever since I read the book I started I stopped having the the uh you know out-of-body experiences.
Good morning, everybody, from the high desert, where we've collected over a half inch of rain in the last 30 minutes.
It's pretty wild out there.
All right, back now to Albert Taylor.
Albert, there are going to be a gazillion people out there who are going to want to talk to you or ask you a question who cannot communicate with you because they can't get through the phone.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Albert Taylor.
Hi.
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Hi, this is Jeff from Northern California listening on KOH.
Hi, Jeff.
It's great to talk to you.
Al, my question for you is kind of in regards to your conversation with your, I guess, I wouldn't call her a dead aunt, but an aunt that has passed from the physical plane.
Does she have any perception of time or does she have any perception of your life if you're living in the physical plane?
Or did you only contact when you're in the astral plane?
What we conceive to be short or long on the other side is totally, totally irrelevant when it comes to measuring time on our clocks in the physical world.
Well, one thing, you know, I haven't had a near-death experience, so I'm not going to even pretend to be an expert.
I can just say that I have heard hundreds of accounts of near-death experiences.
Now, I have my own ideas on it, and what I found out, and I'm relating it to my experiences, is in the beginning when I did travel out of the body, because I brought a lot of fear with me, a lot of things manifest in that form because your thoughts are things.
So I would experience these negative situations.
If a person is going on the other side or leaving the body for the first time, as usually in a near-death experience they are, then if they're bringing some of these fearful things with them, then there's a very, very good chance that they're going to have a negative encounter.
But most people, most people have a wonderful experience that is life-changing, and they come back and it prompts them to do all kinds of incredible work for other people.
Dr. Taylor, I haven't read your book, but I was just wondering if the circumstance, the process that you're discussing here could be precipitated by a chemical, like some of the Native Americans use in their rituals, like mescaline or something along that line.
I would say, yes, there are some chemicals that will probably induce an out-of-body experience.
I don't know what they are, and I don't try them myself.
But I would say it is possible.
Because, you know, I think the Native Americans have done a lot of experiments with peyote, things like that.
And you know what I find is that a lot of indigenous people have experimented with different natural substances which have caused them or helped them to achieve the state.
But I always say you don't need any of that stuff.
And that is one level above the physical plane that vibrates at a higher level.
But there are multiple levels beyond that.
So in order to achieve that, what I found in my case is I had to leave the astral body behind on the astral plane or close to the physical body to achieve these higher areas of consciousness or vibrational areas like the etheric plane, which is one of the highest states you can get to.
Well, because you said that you looked down and you didn't see a physical, the first thing you would have noticed is your astral body, your hands would have been transparent and glowing and little lights going through them.
It would have been something that you definitely would have remembered.
The fact that you didn't remember that and the fact that you had this euphoric kind of experience tells me that you may have had something, you may have had an experience in the etheric body, but not necessarily on the etheric plane.
yeah, to interrupt it, right, to break it up into two parts.
So that you sleep four hours, wake up, and then stay up for maybe two hours, then sleep an additional four.
What that does is that brings you back to consciousness so that when you go back to sleep, the body will quickly fall asleep generally if you do a relaxation or something like that, and the consciousness has a better chance of sticking around and being conscious instead of drifting off into a REM state.
So that's the one I recommend most often is the interrupted sleep technique because I get a lot of feedback where people are able to achieve an out-of-body experience because of it.
unidentified
I see.
Well, I'm just totally fascinated by this.
I was wondering, have you ever experienced the, as you hear, you've probably heard so many times, the light at the end of the tunnel type?
And that's something that really goes, you know, and people ask, how do you know the difference between this and the dream and things like that?
And how do you know that that's as dead as you get and things like that?
Well, the thing is, is that through the out-of-body experience, you can have encounters with the light that people who have near-death experiences talk about.
You can, matter of fact, not just an encounter, you can actually understand who and what that light really is.
I felt all of a sudden like I was flying and there was this, I felt like I was being helped along, and there was this beautiful face with this great big smile, but all these beautiful white teeth, which I will never forget.
Generally, what I hear people what thoughts manifest is a lot of healing, cures for different things that they've had.
So, yes, the spirit can influence the physical body.
And like I said, I was supposed to be in a wheelchair five years ago.
They told me after two major multiple sclerosis attacks, I ended up in ICU, and they told me that I was going to end up in a wheelchair, and I was going to have all kinds of secondary problems.
And because of these experiences and my understanding about who and what I really am, here it is all this time later, and I have zero remnants of those bad times with MS. Totally.
I haven't had any attacks whatsoever in the last six or seven years.
I had a question about once you're entering sleep, you know, sometimes you start almost hallucinating before you actually enter sleep.
And the mind can be really playful with you.
And I wondered, I've been reading a lot of Carlos Castaneda.
And he talks a lot about there's beings within our sleep and how sometimes they can take your naive perceptions of going into sleep and kind of lure you in and take you places and you're very intrigued and you're very entertained with it, but yet they will kind of somehow absorb your energy.
I mean, I'm not really into the kind of new age, like, oh, let your mind, you know, blah, blah, blah.
But they talk about how you're influenced by these other beings, their souls or whatever.
And I wondered how that could relate to some of the feelings of joy and everything.
If you can get sucked in, and if that can be a negative thing.
I know you talked a little bit about your perception of negativity can be influenced or whatever.
But could there possibly be an exterior force kind of pulling you in?
And if you get pulled in, can it have a negative effect on your reality during your waking life?
Well, this is how I look at it and through my experiences.
First of all, I don't Believe in a negative force.
I don't believe in sucking me anywhere or doing anything to me because what I found out is that I'm very much on even terms with them.
The only time a lot of things have happened to me, now there are spirits out there who will play games with you.
The only time I have really been, I'd say, a victim, if you want to call it that, is when I didn't know that we were very much on even ground.
But since then, I don't have any negative experiences, and I'm not alone when I'm having these experiences.
There is another, let's see, people call it a guide, a higher self, or they have numerous names for it that is definitely there with you monitoring your progress.
So you are never alone and you are never ever in danger of something doing something to you.
When I was young, I was able to astral project into the other room.
And I was kind of neglected as a little kid.
And this was my way of being around the adults.
Well, one day, one of the adults went into the room when I was in the other room, up in the corner of the room watching TV, in the astral, and they found my body.
And they brought it into the room, and it looked like I was dead.
And they all freaked out.
And, of course, I went back into it.
And I was just a little kid.
I kind of figured everybody could do this, you know.
Okay, real quick, what he described is extremely rare because if someone were to touch you while you were out of body, you would be instantly recalled.
So the fact that they were able to relocate his physical body without him being pulled back in is very rare.
Matter of fact, I don't hear about that hardly at all.
We're going to have Albert Keller back around the 25th of August as he kicks off his big book tour.
But I had to bring him in tonight.
I had to bring him in tonight for this.
Tomorrow night, Gary North is going to be here.
We're going to get an update on Y2K.
That's a very serious subject and a very serious program.
That'll be tomorrow evening.
Now, I want to straighten something out for those who are not quite understanding what's going on here.
The Dreamland show that is going to air this Sunday, I will actually be taping this afternoon, later on this afternoon.
It's not that it airs at that time.
Dr. Bruce Goldberg is going to be my guest.
He is a remarkable man, and he has taken a giant step, and he's going to be talking about ufology, something Dr. Bruce Goldberg really has not previously addressed.
Although, this incredible experience that I had in Paris, I think will be a subject that we'll touch on as well.
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that we will be taping this between 1 and 4 o'clock Friday afternoon.
I repeat, we'll be taping it between 1 and 4 o'clock.
It is not for broadcast at that time, but any of you who know and wish to ask Dr. Goldberg a question are absolutely welcome to call in later this afternoon between 1 and 4.
And if you have a relevant question, we will get you on with us.
And then, of course, that program will air on Sunday.
So, there you have it.
Man, what a night.
You have no idea what it has been like around here.
I finally took a precaution and at least began to shut down all my computers.
I've got them back up now, and I think the worst of it certainly has passed.
I don't know if any of you could hear it because I've got soundproofing in here and I've got everything closed up, but we were getting lightning that was hitting right next to us, and we were getting a few crashes that were just unbelievably loud, and I heard them in my headphones.
I don't know if they actually made it on the air, if you heard any of them or not.
But this was one of the most violent thunderstorms that I've seen in a long time.
There's an awful lot of energy out there, and I guess it's getting up and dissipating, unfortunately, later at night here in the desert during the time I'm on the air.
But it was quite an experience, and from moment to moment, I expected the possibility of a permanent out-of-body experience.
It was that close.
What a night.
All right, there's not a whole lot of interesting stuff going on in the news right now, the traditional news that I pulled, but there is a lot of interesting stuff going on.
Somebody called early in the program and said, hey, Art, a computer chip, a processor, a microprocessor, has actually evolved, has evolved itself.
And that is one incredible thing to consider.
And I just, as I asked for anybody else who knew anything about it, and I got this, Deerard, this is in response to your request for information about the evolving computer chip.
Along with one of your callers, I also heard the story on the radio about this chip and was so intrigued, I took notes.
The story was reported by Hugh Downs on his Perspectives radio program that aired 7498.
Hugh Downs said that the scientist who was familiar with this development was named Adrian Thompson.
Not sure of the spelling.
Basically, the rules of Darwinian evolution were programmed into a computer to create a circuit which could determine the difference between two tones using only 100 cells.
In this context, I think cells meant transistors, gates, and or diodes.
The computer did successfully evolve and optimize such a circuit.
The unusual thing about the circuit was that it used five cells isolated from the rest.
No one understands how the circuit works or why the computer placed the five isolated cells in the circuit.
But the chip won't work without them.
Oh my God.
Do you realize what this means?
Well, this means in order to deal with the, if I understand it properly, and maybe I'm wrong, but in order to deal with the problem that it was presented, a microprocessor actually modified in the sense that it added diodes itself, internal diodes, and evolved.
An electronic device evolved.
And I will leave to you and your imaginations where this might take us.
And I wonder if it's a place that we want to go.
What a remarkable story.
And this night is full of remarkable stories, some of them not so pleasant.
For example, this one, and I feel a responsibility to repeat this.
The following is from Reuters.
A melting Antarctic glacier could lead to the collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, or WAIS it's called, causing global sea levels to rise perhaps up to 20 feet.
Radar images from satellite observations between 1992 and 96 of Pine Island Glacier in West Antarctica showed this glacier is now shrinking.
Eric Rignaught, a radar scientist at the Jet Propulsion Lab in California, who led the study, said it is important because it could lead to a collapse of the West Antarctic ice sheet.
He said we are seeing a glacier melt in the heart of Antarctica.
Antarctica, the fifth largest continent, is almost completely covered with ice.
About 90% of the world's glacial ice is in Antarctica.
So, and it goes on, but the bottom line is scientists now believe that one of the main glaciers in the Antarctic could be melting, and this could result shortly in the raising of sea levels by 20 feet.
Now, you consider what that would mean.
How far above sea level are you?
Oh, perhaps sufficiently above sea level that it won't bother you.
But when you consider that our coasts, both east and west and southern, virtually are at sea level, and it has, of course, become very popular to build one's residence virtually at sea level, a rise in sea levels of 20 feet would be catastrophic.
Now, I said this earlier, and I'm going to say it again.
I hesitate to raise the prospect of global warming, because that begins a political argument that I really don't want to get into.
But obviously, something is occurring.
The weather is changing.
It is a profound change.
Not many people seem to be arguing about that now.
In this change, or as part of this change, it would appear as though glaciated ice everywhere is in retreat.
In other words, melting.
And now, let's forget the words global warming.
Let's just say it's happening.
I don't want to get into a political fight with anybody.
It's happening.
I understand the politics of all of this and how it frightens people.
And if Al Gore says it, then automatically half the population is angry and wants to fight back and say it's such a pile of crap and Al Gore is such a pile of crap and all the rest of it.
Fine, go ahead, have that argument.
I don't want to have it here.
I want to look at what actually is occurring.
If the weather is changing, and it would certainly appear to be so, and becoming more violent, then one would assume that there is generally violent weather is as a result of heat in the atmosphere.
Just like the storm that I just had here, the very violent thunderstorm.
There is a great deal of heat.
That is energy that has to go somewhere.
It dissipates in a storm.
Otherwise, heat can do things like melting glaciers.
So I'm not going to say global warming.
I'm just going to say the weather is changing.
The ice caps appear to be melting.
And you can ascribe it to anything you wish, but I don't think that you can deny that the process is going on.
On a lighter note, or maybe not such a lighter note, I want to repeat for the audience now a remarkable letter that I just received, and you can take this as you will.
Some of you will recall a man named Mel Waters from Mel's Hole.
Mel's Hole is kind of an old story.
It's something that we did, how long, two years ago?
This man who had this bottomless pit up near Ellensburg, Washington.
Well, anyway, without burdening you with that story, let me read you the following.
It says, Hi, Art Bell.
I was the person that rented an apartment to the Mel Waters of Mel's Hall Fame when he lived in Ellensburg.
In payment of his deposit, he gave me an old P-38 pistol that he found on his property while turning over some soil for planting.
The P-38 was covered with dirt, a real mess.
I put it away, figuring it would be interesting to clean up one day.
I have since moved away from Ellensburg, though I miss it terribly.
A couple of weeks ago, I was unpacking the last of my boxes, and I found the dirty old P-38.
So I cleaned it up, expecting a horribly pitted and corroded firearm.
If nothing else, it might have had some interesting proofing marks that may have made it of some value.
So, cleaned it up and found it was in pristine condition.
In fact, I've seen worse-looking guns right out of the box.
The clip in the gun still had cartridges in it.
An examination of the gun showed it to be in working order, and I couldn't wait to take it out for a test fire.
I did remove the cartridges and replaced them with fresh ones, 9mm.
An odd thing about this gun, besides the pristine condition, is that there are absolutely no tool marks to be found on the gun.
Very odd indeed.
So, I took the gun to the range and started with a test firing.
The gun misfired.
At least, I thought it misfired.
No recoil, no blast.
I cleared the chamber, only to find that a round had been fired.
The target I put up 15 yards away had a perfect bullseye.
I stood there, shaking my head.
Back to the firing line, I emptied the clip.
No recoil, no blast.
Absolute silence.
All shots were bullseyes.
This was some pretty good shooting for me.
Though I collect guns, I can barely hit the broadside of a barn.
In total, I went through several boxes of ammo.
I was scoring perfectly on targets I would never dream of even hitting.
What amazed me was that one round vaporized a watermelon, I said, about 20 feet away after the shot.
I couldn't find a seed, mind, or bit of pulp anywhere.
I dread to think what it would do to a human or animal.
Clearly, I was given something amazing.
I was both freaked out and exhilarated.
What did I have?
The gun revealed no proving marks.
It looked like a standard World War II variety P-38.
In fact, the parts are interchangeable with other P-38s that I have.
I cannot determine what material the gun is made out of.
I can tell you it will pass through a metal detector without detection and that it is non-magnetic.
It will also pass through the airport X-ray.
Don't ask me how I know this.
The gun is solid black, but I swear, at times, it seems transparent.
I'm not sure how such a thing could exist.
It is, however, a World War II design.
The old cartridges seem to have bullets made of the same material the gun is made out of.
I don't dare fire these cartridges because I don't know what shape they're in.
The bullets, however, I may have reloaded with new cases and charges.
Another observation about the gun.
After putting a couple of hundred rounds through it, it required no cleaning.
In fact, it wasn't even warm after going through several clips rapid fire.
I've weighed the gun unloaded on several occasions, each time it weighs differently.
The weight seems to fluctuate almost 40% up or down.
None of my other P-38s do this.
The scales are accurate.
I've not been in touch with Mel since he left the country.
I do wish to thank him for the fine firearm he gave me.
Mel also gave me some Nazi insignia that he found with the gun.
Haven't been able to locate the insignia yet.
If Mel wants to reach me, he can reach me through his son.
He knows the number.
Regards?
Harold, and I've got a last name, but I withhold that at the Faxer's request.
Interesting, huh?
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Good morning.
Hello, hello.
Goodbye.
Houston, the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Good morning.
Yes, this is Eric from Houston, looking to you on KTRH at 7.40 a.m. the news station.
But I think you're neglecting the fact that this apparently also contradicts the late Jesse Marcel, who claimed that the degree shown on the photographs were, in fact, switched and were not what he originally found.
I think, yes, what we did last night was all we could do with physical proof.
I think that we adequately proved that the materials that were in the photographs that we do have were both some of what they said it was, but also materials that would not be consistent with what they claimed it was.
So we proved something very important last night and tossed the ball back to the Air Force.
We'll see if they have anything to say.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello, Art.
unidentified
Hello.
Hey, I just need to know, has your new car been burping lately?
Today, it seems the International Space Station is now going to be delayed once again.
In addition to that, we were going to spend, the U.S. was going to spend about $17.4 billion as our part of it.
That cost has now gone to $21 billion.
And, of course, the Russians' share has gone up as well.
So they're not giving us a date, but the International Space Station is now delayed once again.
Houston, bacteria-tainted oysters from Galveston Bay have sickened about 368 people.
Of the 368 made ill, 66 cases have been confirmed by labs, so they're having more trouble down in Texas.
Other news, you'll recall I told you Aetna was beginning to get active.
Check this out: Ash belching out of Mount Aetna forced officials to close their only airport Thursday in Sicily as the volcanoes sent up plumes of smoke six miles high.
The airport was shut down late Wednesday, remained closed until Thursday afternoon, while workers cleared runways of a quarter-inch layer of ash that had made the tarmac slick.
Ten flights were either canceled or delayed for hours or diverted to the only other main airport in Palermo.
So there you go, folks.
In a moment, we'll be back and continue open lines through the balance of the show.
Don't forget, Gary North, tomorrow night, Y2K.
Oh, here's another interesting story, just before we proceed, from Vancouver, British Columbia.
Check this out.
British Columbia residents may not always be able to see the hundreds of whales living in nearby waters, but thanks to a new radio station, they can hear them.
Beginning this week, Vancouver Island residents can tune in to Orca FM for the world's first 24-hour-a-day broadcast of whale sounds picked up by a microphone placed on the seabed 120 miles northwest of Vancouver.
The microphone is near Robson Bight, right off of Vancouver Island's northeastern coast, and can apparently pick up the sounds of whales within a nine-mile radius.
Scientists say the area is home to about 750 killer whales in various groups.
The station is broadcasting the whale sounds around Robson Byte, that's B-I-G-H-T, and the transmission is also being picked up from a landline at the Vancouver Aquarium and broadcast there.
The aquarium says it hopes to eventually make the noises available on the internet.
All right.
Whale researcher John Ford organized the project, says the whale sounds range from excited sounds indicating they're getting food, all the way to squeaks and squawks indicating they are either socializing or mating.
But there's something intrinsically wrong, I believe, with the software, because when people go up there, I tried, you know, I would tell people to go up there, and all of a sudden, with all the traffic, my name would disappear, it would go to zeros, the website would stop working and all the rest of it.
So finally, in exasperation, I just said, go ahead and take a profit if you can get in there, sell it, and be done with it.
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But I think the whole thing is done.
I don't think you're going to be able to get anything anymore out of it.
It's just whatever is going on, it's sort of broken.
So we have removed the link, and anybody who is able to get in there who holds Art Bell stock, I'm telling you, sell, sell, sell if you're able to get in.
As a matter of fact, there have been a couple of cases of ejecta from the sun, and that is different than a solar flare.
Ejecta is when a, for lack of a better phrase, a blob of the sun literally breaks off and heads toward the planet.
And it does, of course, hit in that form, but we were hit by radiation, great amounts of it, a couple of times already this month.
It's obviously very active.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Yes.
Good morning, Art.
Good morning.
Kelly, calling from Oregon, Collander Falls, Oregon.
Yes, sir.
I just wanted to call and let you know I listened to your show the other night speaking with, I don't remember the individual's name, about having contacts with extraterrestrials.
Well, there were a lot of people saying very similar things.
Not just those three, but I could probably give you up to about two dozen names of people who say those sorts of things.
unidentified
Probably could, but I'm kind of curious if they, you know, do any kind of networking between themselves to see if there's something a little bit deeper there.
With reference to AM radio stations, particularly those who have talk formats, there are, you've got to recall, fewer stations that are on the air, about half, I would guess, at night than there are during the day.
So there are more stations, obviously, during the day that you could get.
Now, the difference is, at night, when you get a station, they generally go much farther.
The clear channel, big, powerful 50 KW stations, why, they just at night go and go and go and go.
So it's a two-edged sword.
On the one side, you don't have as many stations on at night.
But on the other side of the coin, those that are on cover a great deal of geography.
I'm going, if you got about, I know you don't have a lot of time because we're near the top of the hour, but I was going to give you a little lesson in why coyotes aren't afraid of you at night.
They simply assume that you cannot see them, so they go about their business as though you are not there.
And it's really interesting because you can sit out there with night vision and you can see, it's amazing what goes on at night.
unidentified
Yes.
And interestingly enough, since they also have few cones in the back of their eye, a cone is just exactly what it sounds like, a cone-shaped receptor on the back surface of their eyeball.
Which, now if you can envision this, a rod is going to allow a lot of light to hit the end of the surface.
I just got a degree in physics, and I can tell you right now that he is breaking, he's basically just broke the law of conservation of energy and momentum.
Yeah, well, I'll buy him a Montana steak dinner if he can actually show me that the bullet does not recoil, that when the gun is fired, that it does not recoil.
The only thing that I could ever think about would be the fundamental part of a chip is the transistor.
And maybe the PN junctions are somehow modified.
Sometimes if you overload, put too high of a voltage across the PN junctions, some of the ions that actually give the polarity positive and negative can change.
If you had a machine capable of doing what apparently they have now and you had generations upon generations which learned, eventually you could end up with something that would take over.
unidentified
Yeah, I guess that would be software driven because it would just go ahead and say, okay, this circuit is the voltage is not correct here, so it reroutes it.
It's definitely good to be skeptical, but I'm hearing this from an awful lot of sources now, and I can imagine that one day a machine would take a look around the world and it would say, hmm, pollution, melting ice caps, deteriorating environment, too many people.
What should we do?
And then begin to act.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, we'll see.
I think that that's all going to be driven through mankind.
That's all going to be information that we put in.
And one of the things he's told me that can happen when he is having an out-of-body experience is that I could be sitting in my apartment and he, during his out-of-body experience, could come floating through the ceiling and float down into my apartment and sit on my couch.
And I would be able to see him just as if he was really there.
Yeah, so just on the definitely, definitely, at all costs.
But I wanted to ask you, it seems to me, and I'm sure you've noticed that it's your business, that more and more people, anywhere you go, any walk of life, they seem to be more in tune with themselves, so to speak, and what's going on around.
Everybody seems to be a little bit more in tune with each other.
And I know you've talked about this with early of your guests on that type of subject.
I would say that some people are becoming more spiritual, which is, I know sounds new agey, but more aware of themselves and their surroundings and their connection to their environment.
And a lot of other people are going in the precise other direction.
And ultimately, how we make out as a human race is going to depend, I think, on how many join the good side.
And if you were to press me to the wall and ask me which way it's going right now, I wouldn't give you a very positive answer.
We'll see First of all, I don't know that God and the devil and so forth and so occupy those numbers, so I wouldn't endeavor to know what would occupy the lower numbers, but we're probably zeros.
You know, all of us walking around down here, zeros.
Then on the other hand, maybe you see we're wrong, and maybe your dream is right, and maybe it is not gravitational pull, and everything we have thought is wrong, and when they put more light up there, why, we'll all get flooded out by oceans that will be washing ashore, not only from the new light, but from the melting glaciers.
But I like to talk to you about those on another program.
But about a week or so ago, you had a gentleman on there talking about the military of the old Soviet Union being Russia now, and how their military establishment is still going strong.
And now this thing that has a thing with these huge mirrors that they are using to create daylight in dark areas.
What are the things you use mirrors for that you can use?
I think that we could use some of our Star Wars technology that I know damn well we have developed and break them and give the Russians seven years of bad luck for each one we knock down.
unidentified
But you know, they can use this also to direct labor beams.
And they're doing it right over the Antarctic to shine light on Siberia.
In his experiences that he was talking about, that he was doing astral protection and whatever, that he actually appeared, and you can ask him about this, hopefully, if you get him on again, that he appeared.
In his book, I remember reading that he said that he appeared and saw a lady friend of his that lived near him somewhere, and she actually came to him just by chance and told him about it.
And so he actually was saying in his book that he saw, or that she saw him.
She told him she saw him as a misty form.
And, you know, so I thought that was kind of interesting.
And also, I just wanted to ask you about, you know, you sell the Viagra or advertise it?
You know, Whitley's going to be on the program Monday.
Yeah, no Viagra jokes.
Generally, they're just pretty gross, and so I don't allow them here.
Go to somebody else's show and tell them there.
Just gross.
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Wester the Rockies, you're on the air.
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Hi.
Hi, this is Ed in Alaska.
Hello, Ed.
Yeah, I was thinking, you know, if the Russians put those mirrors up there, then you're going to have to change your advertisement from we own the knife to the Russians own the knife.
Yeah, you're right.
But I was wondering what you thought about the missile testing today, yesterday.
Or even if it, you know, did take a ballistic course of some sort but didn't make it to Israel and came back down in Iran, the Iranian people probably would be very unhappy.
I'm just curious if there's any way she can get a hold of their printout or whatever, because you know as well as I do, being a ham, that everything has a spectral signature.
So we ought to be able, if they could get her hands on that, I would think we can have a lot of things.
Well, I thought there was a fair amount of evidence, not only that they definitely recorded the transient, you heard the report, but that aircraft that were also in the vicinity ended up reporting electrical difficulties.
Wasn't that a military plane that was having a problem?
That goes a P3, yeah.
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Yeah, see, I think they may have been testing something, the P3 was supposed to be there, and maybe something went off course, you know, and maybe something disrupted the TWA-800.
Well, the reason I brought that up was, you know, when you get some of these guys who report on Area 51 being in the, you know, in the saucers, they say, well, they've got no food there.
You have no idea how tired I am of spending time on 747s by 8 or 9 or 10 or 11 hours, or if it's South Africa, 18 hours in one direction and 24 hours on the other.
That ruins your day.
Well, I'm just waiting for a little folding.
I'm all for it.
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I think it makes you appreciate it, too.
I know that eight-hour flight for you to Paris must have made you really appreciate it when you got there.