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July 23, 1998 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Albert Taylor - Out of Body Travel

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, Mr. Kate across all these many specific types of stretching from the Southwest Eastward to the European South all the way to the pole.
		This is close to the close thing on the market.
		We're going to be in open mind this hour.
		And what do I have some news for you?
		Next hour, we're going to be joined by Albert Taylor, the author of Soul Traveler.
		And I have a really special reason for having him along.
		He's been with us, I don't know, a dozen times over the years.
		And he is probably, in my opinion, the world's leading authority on this thing called Soul Travel.
		And as you know, I've had a significant thing occur to me in Paris, and so I jumped on Al Tiller real quickly, and we'll talk about that in the next hour.
		This hour.
		Let me see.
		Spokesman Mike McCurry is going.
		White House spokesman out.
		His deputy will take over.
		Joe Lockhart.
		I've kind of enjoyed McCurry.
		McCurry has a kind of a dry sense of humor, which, as you know, I enjoy because I kind of have one myself, and so I enjoy one.
		Sometimes people tend to mistake people who have a dry sense of humor for all kinds of things.
		You know, they take it the wrong way.
		I've always had that.
		So I'm sorry to see McCurry go.
		I've kind of enjoyed him.
		Pope John Paul II tightened Vatican control over national bishops' conferences today, making it harder in some cases for them to speak out on divisive issues such as homosexuality.
		The Pope's new rules require bishops' conferences to reach unanimous agreement before issuing declarations on issues of doctrine.
		If they cannot, they must get approval from the Vatican.
		Very interesting.
		The U.S. stock market taking a big hit, 196 points down, and that would be the fourth straight day of a downturn for the market.
		Ellen Greenspan has made some remarks that may be contributing to it, earnings reports contributing to it.
		And it's hard to know exactly where we are.
		It may not be a good day tomorrow on the market.
		That's what some of the analysts were saying.
		That is not what I'm saying.
unidentified		We'll wait and see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that kind of sums up the traditional news.
		Now, a quickening item.
		And if this is not a quickening item, I don't know what it is.
		The following is from Reuters News Service.
		A melting Antarctic glacier could lead to the collapse of the West Antarctic ice sheet, causing global sea levels to rise about 20 feet.
		Now, that's a hell of a paragraph when you think about it.
		What do you think would happen if global sea levels rose 20 feet?
		Radar images from satellite observations between 1992 and 96 of Pine Island Glacier in West Antarctica showed the glacier, in fact, is shrinking.
		Eric Rignaught, a radar scientist at the Jet Propulsion Lab in California, who led the study, said, quote, it is important because it could lead to a collapse of the West Antarctic ice sheet.
		He said, we are seeing a glacier melt in the heart of Antarctica.
		Antarctica, the fifth largest continent, is almost completely covered with ice now.
		About 90% of the world's glacial ice is in Antarctica.
		But scientists say this data from remote and stormy West Antarctica could be the first real evidence that some of these massive glaciers might actually be rapidly retreating.
		Now, what would it mean if the Western WAIS did collapse?
		It would push sea levels up throughout the world, with regions near sea level experiencing more flooding and faster erosion.
		Some of them obviously would disappear.
		Now, I don't know how far above sea level you live, but we're talking about sea levels worldwide raising 20 feet.
		There is no example of anything in West Antarctica that is retreating that fast, said the scientist.
		This is the farthest south this phenomenon has been observed ever.
		So take that as you will, ladies and gentlemen.
		I don't know whether you want to call it global warming.
		When you say the words global warming, it conjures up an immediate political battle.
		So look, call it what you want.
		But a lot of things are obvious and are occurring.
		The weather is changing.
		Not too many arguments about that anymore.
		The ice caps appear to be melting.
		Not very many scientific arguments about that anymore.
		And now a new shelf is melting.
		So I will, I don't mind.
		I'll avoid calling it global warming.
		Call it whatever the hell you want to call it.
		But it's happening.
unidentified		So quickening?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's as good a word as any.
		Here is an interesting little message from Australia.
		I am located at McKay, Queensland, Australia.
		It reads 149 degrees, 10 minutes and 30 seconds east and 21 degrees, 8 minutes south.
		I have a liquid-filled compass mounted on my office wall.
		It was set up to reverse read north about 18 months ago as I was aware of magnetic disturbances about six years ago.
		The time is now 0,245 a.m.
		Eastern, and the compass is showing a north magnetic deviation of 5 degrees west.
		I hadn't looked at it for days, but your post, responding to another person, prompted me to send this message.
		This message was received by Jim Birkland, who said, hey Art, on receiving this message, I checked my own liquid-filled marine compass set at due north today, and guess what?
		It reads 5 degrees northeast.
		You just might ask some of your great audience for more confirmation of this unusual magnetic anomaly.
		Jim Birkland.
		Jim Birkland, the geologist.
		Well, let me tell you, this is not the first time, as many of you know, that we have noted a magnetic anomaly.
unidentified		Magnetic north drifting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so those of you who have stable compasses, I would appreciate it if you would take a look-see and report to me what you find.
		This would be the fourth or fifth time that I've had reliable information of a magnetic shift.
		They've been occurring rather frequently over the last 18 months.
		The following is really intriguing, and I am going to read it to you as is, and you can take it as you will.
		Hi, Art Bell.
		I was, this is a fax, by the way.
		It came in about 10 minutes before airtime.
		Hi, Art Bell.
		I was the person that rented an apartment to the Mel Waters of Mel's Hole fame when he lived in Ellensburg.
		In payment of his deposit, he gave me an old P-38 pistol that he found on his property while turning over some soil for planting.
		The P-38 was covered with dirt and a real mess.
		I put it away, figuring it'd be interesting to clean up.
		I have since moved away from Ellensburg, though I miss it terribly.
		A couple of weeks ago, I was unpacking the last of my boxes and found the dirty old P-38.
		So I cleaned it up, expecting a horribly pitted and corroded firearm.
		If nothing else, it might have some interesting proofing marks that may make it of some value.
		Cleaned it up, and guess what?
		It was in pristine condition.
		I've seen worse-looking guns right out of the box.
		The clip in the gun still had cartridges in it.
		An examination of the gun showed it to be working in working order, and I couldn't wait to take it out for a test fire.
		I did remove the cartridges and replace them with fresh ones, 9mm.
		An odd thing about this gun, besides the pristine condition is, there are absolutely no tool marks to be found on the gun.
unidentified		Very odd indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I took the gun to the range and started with a test firing.
		The gun misfired.
		At least I thought it misfired.
		No recoil, no blast.
		I cleared the chamber only to find that a round had indeed been fired.
		The target I put up 15 yards away had a perfect bullseye.
		I just stood there shaking my head.
		Back to the firing line, I emptied the clip.
		No recoil, no blast, absolute silence.
		All shots were bullseyes.
		This was some pretty good shooting for me.
		Though I collect guns, I can barely hit the broadside of a barn.
		In total, I went through several boxes of ammo.
		I was scoring perfectly on targets that I would never dream of even hitting.
		What amazed me was that one round vaporized a watermelon that I set about 20 feet away.
		After the shot, I couldn't find a seed, rind, or bit of pulp anywhere.
		I dread to think what it would do to a human or animal.
		Clearly, I was given something amazing.
		I was both freaked out and exhilarated.
		What do I have?
		The gun revealed no proofing marks.
		It looked like a standard World War II variety P-38.
		In fact, the parts are interchangeable with other P-38s that I have.
		I cannot determine what material the gun is made of.
		I can tell you, it will pass through a metal detector without detection, and it is non-magnetic.
		It will also pass through the airport X-ray.
		Don't ask me how I know this.
		The gun is solid black, but I swear at times it seems transparent.
		I'm not sure how such a thing could exist.
		It is, however, a World War II design.
		The old cartridges seem to have bullets made of the same material that the gun is made of.
		I don't dare fire these cartridges because I don't know what shape they're in.
		The bullets, however, I have reloaded with new cases and charges.
		One other observation about the gun, after putting a couple of hundred rounds through it, it required no cleaning.
		In fact, it wasn't even warm after going through several clips of rapid fire.
		Now I've weighed the gun unloaded on several occasions.
		Each time it weighs differently.
		The weight seems to fluctuate almost 40% up or down.
		None of my other P-38s do this.
		The scales are accurate.
		I have not been in touch with Mel since he left the country.
		I do wish to thank him for the fine firearm he gave me.
		Mel also gave me some Nazi insignia that he found with the gun.
		I haven't been able to locate the insignia yet.
		If Mel wants to reach me, he can reach me through his son.
		He knows the number.
		Regards Harold, and at his request, I withhold his last name.
		Now, is that about the damnest story you've ever heard, or what?
		Harold, obviously I would enjoy interviewing you.
		It seems like everything connected to Mel Waters is strange and bizarre in some way, so I am not surprised by this, but I am certainly intrigued.
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, there.
unidentified		This is Fritz.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Fritz.
unidentified		How are you?
		I enjoyed the disclosure yesterday.
		Excellent piece of work yesterday with Dr. James Johnson and Ron Regier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope it tosses the ball back to the Air Force.
unidentified		What I wanted to say, Colonel Haynes, you've got to have a red face because I'm sure it's going to reach just the Bentagon because for Dr. Johnson to come out and say, hey, I took the pictures, that's pretty strong.
unidentified		We're getting inches by inches, we're getting closer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
unidentified		Those fastides in the Bentagon think we're fools.
		Keep going the way you are, Art.
		Just keep going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend.
		Thank you.
		Yes, I thought yesterday's program was very important.
		I think that without doubt, we proved that what was there was, at the very least, a combination of a weather balloon of some sort, some type, and things that had nothing at all to do with a weather balloon.
		And I think that fact requires an explanation from the Air Force.
		And they are welcome to examine the photographs.
		They are genuine.
		We had the man here on the air who took them ever so long ago, a half century ago.
		He affirms these are the photographs.
		We had an expert on who affirms some of the material in those photographs definitely is not part of any balloon.
		So, come on.
		Where does that leave us?
		West of the Rockies, you're on there.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Chuck Colling from KOH780 Reno.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there, Chuck.
		You're going to have to yell at us.
		You're not too loud.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I just wondered whether you had heard anything about a computer mutation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		About the day that you got back from Paris, they have a segment on ABC called Perspective on the Radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And Hugh Downs was reporting that microprocessors had been found with two or three extra diodes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding.
unidentified		Nope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean processors?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Microprocessors mutating themselves?
unidentified		Well, the interesting thing about it was the report that, you know, they were extraneous to the design, but the microprocessors wouldn't work without them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, that's kind of like a human being ending up with one little extra piece of DNA.
unidentified		Yeah, something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		Would anybody with any information on that story beyond what he just said please contact me?
		Could a microprocessor modify itself?
		Maybe.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		The Coast to Coast AM.
		The Coast to Coast AM.
		From the Kingdom of Nigh, this is Coast to Coast AM with our bell.
		From East of the Rockies, call Art at 1-800-825-5033.
		West of the Rockies, including Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico at 1-800-618-8255.
		First-time callers may reach Art at Area Code 702-727-1222.
		And you may fax Art at Area Code 702-727-8499.
		Please limit your faxes to one or two pages.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now again, here's Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Computer microprocessors modifying themselves.
unidentified		Computer microprocessors modifying themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all I had to say about that.
		Now Waters gun.
		Good lord.
		This is already beginning to be a very interesting evening, isn't it?
		All right.
		Back to the lines.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be me.
unidentified		How you doing?
		Hey.
		The other night you were talking about the simulated moon things, huh?
		The Russians?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, the Russians are launching indeed.
		I got a message today from Linda Moulton Howe, and she confirms this is occurring.
		The November 9th date for the first test launch is up in the air.
		They don't know for sure that it will launch then, but within days.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
		Hey, I got, you know, I understand your hammers.
		Ham radio?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We do not call ourselves hammers, sir.
unidentified		Well, what do you do?
unidentified		What do you call yourself hammers?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Amateur radio operators or hams, but not hammers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hammers are something the Defense Department buys for great sums of money.
unidentified		Well, what about all the simulated moon bounce you get off them satellites up there in orbit?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Them satellites?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you don't get first of all, moon bounce is bouncing a signal off the moon, not a satellite.
unidentified		Well, like if you're doing it with the moon, like what what is the moon but a satellite?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is a satellite of the Earth, yes.
		Well, uh it's pretty big, though.
		Now I'm not seeing for species.
		No, not entirely.
		So you know not what you say.
		It is possible.
unidentified		I do know what I say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is possible that some bounce might be achieved by a large mirror in space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some scatter, sure.
unidentified		Yeah, what I really called for was your knowledge of radios, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I have a question for you.
unidentified		Alright, I have an ATS-909, alright?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Great radio.
		I know.
		I've had it for quite some time.
		How does it rank alongside the Saniel 55?
		Are you familiar with that one?
		No, I'm not.
		I have the Sanuel, but yeah, the Sony.
		Sony Skinny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Sony.
unidentified		55, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The 909 is in every way superior to any Sony that I have yet tested.
unidentified		So have you tested the 55 model?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not familiar with the 55 model.
unidentified		It's the same configuration basically as the Symgian, but it's at almost $200 more.
unidentified		I was just curious, but it doesn't have half the features.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a feeling you may be referring to another model.
		Would you do me a favor and check out that model number and get back to me?
		Because I think you might be off a little.
unidentified		Are you sure?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think so.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, thank you.
		But I have done extensive.
		Sony is a damn good radio.
		No question about that.
		They make good radios.
		But the Sanji 909 right now beats them into the ground.
		My observation about Sony is that it has too much sensitivity.
		And when you add any sort of antenna, it goes into overload.
		The 909 does not have that problem.
		So that is my observation, but make no mistake, they make good radios.
		I would never say otherwise.
		International Line, you're on air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		It's Justine Zavenby.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		I just had an observation about that guy with that P-38 that was saying facts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a story, huh?
unidentified		B.S. I'll continue to say BS until somebody produces the gun for examination by a manufacturer designer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would presume after writing this that he would be prepared to do that.
unidentified		I'd like to see it because I don't know a lot about firearms, but I know some.
		And I've shot a lot of rounds for a lot of different pistols and revolvers.
		So have I. And I can't see any a firearm having that kind of impact on an ordinary round.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I heard that.
		What can I tell you?
		You know as much as I know.
unidentified		Well, I've shot a few rounds through P-38, eh?
unidentified		And they have a bit of a bite.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
unidentified		And I just understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This man obviously is well aware of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's got other P-38s.
unidentified		Some of it did ring true, like that thing about not being able to hit the broadside of a barn net.
		I think that pretty well stands for most collectors.
		That's why we get to meet collectors.
		But the thing is, I'd really like for this guy to come up with a firearm for examination.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think there are two steps.
		Step one would be to interview this gentleman on the air.
		And step two would be then to get some photographs and have an examination of the gun.
		Yeah, sure.
		I'm with you.
unidentified		He'll probably come up saying that he's reluctant to do it because he doesn't want him to steal the design or whatever, blah, blah, blah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think I might be too.
		If I had this gun, it's kind of like if you had some really interesting mental power and you could read people's minds, you would have to think about a hundred times before you ever told somebody that.
		Why?
		Because you're liable to end up on some government table dissected piece by piece.
unidentified		Duct tape down and ticking pieces off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got it duct tape down and touched in places where you don't want to be touched.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's me.
unidentified		Well, you got Greg from the BindyPod50K TRS in St. Louis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And where they're setting everyone's engine around a water cooler with programs from Art Bell coast to coast.
		And I was just wondering, I sent a certified package to you a few weeks ago on a three-day express mail.
		And it curiously took about 10 days to get the card back that it was received.
		I was just wondering if you received that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would imagine I did.
unidentified		What was it?
unidentified		I was talking about the story of the German U909 and Mingle's trip from Bramerhausen to Montevideo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And I'm sure it must have been Mingla because that's where he wound up in Uruguay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, many of them, of course, did.
unidentified		And I'm certain that he came over to work with the U.S. scientist on his twin research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I talked about cloning, and I mentioned the Philadelphia experiment, which I've learned a lot more about from your program, and a few other things, including some ideas I gave to the late Senator Barry Goldwater, who unfortunately died right about the same time I sent this package.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the upshot of all this?
unidentified		I was wondering if anyone would be interested in knowing the details of this plan I gave to Senator Goldwater when I went to Washington in 1974.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Depends on what the plan is.
unidentified		Well I called it Project Grand Slam and it was designed...
unidentified		Project...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
unidentified		Project Grand Slam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Grand Slam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what was Grand Slam?
unidentified		It was a multifaceted program to bring down the Iron Curtain to liberate the overrun countries.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hate to write this to you, but the Iron Curtain has already come down.
unidentified		Well, yes, I know.
unidentified		That's because of ideas in this plan that was initiated when George Ford was president.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Well, I appreciate the call, and it sounds like a great idea to me, but it's a little like submitting a plan to prevent the assassination of President Kennedy to President Clinton.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
		In reference to your program last night?
		The Russian one?
		Yes.
		I'm in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, wait a minute.
		Russian?
		I didn't do a Russian program last night.
unidentified		Well, the big mirror they're putting up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's There's a...
unidentified		I had it, and I tried to get through to you last night, but I couldn't get on.
		About that subject?
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, you know, it's very interesting.
		When I aired it, and I would say I was the first in the country to air it, everybody sent me mail and said, you are such a liar, there's no such thing.
		And now, of course, it's showing up in newspapers all over the country.
unidentified		Yeah, well, this was out yesterday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Apparently, this here, what's the name of it now?
		Namaya, is it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Energia?
unidentified		Namaya.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean this, this, yeah, the 2.5 first satellite that's going to be launched in or around on or around the 9th of November.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Later on in the season, Anyway, the first is Amnia 2.
unidentified		So what I gather from that, the 2.5 must be bigger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you are correct, sir.
		And it will radiate about 10 times the brightness of a full moon.
		And this is still only a test shot.
		The real program lays down line a little bit.
		And it would produce hundreds of satellites, each one, I repeat, each one capable of producing 100 times the brightness of a full moon.
		You want to lay back a little bit and think about that.
		That's a lot of light.
		Just what the Antarctic needs.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		All right.
		Yes.
		Calling from Como Country, Seattle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, ma'am.
unidentified		I have two things.
unidentified		One funny, and the other is just on those moons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Seattle is one of the areas to be affected by the first stage.
unidentified		Well, get somebody up there with a paintball gun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody up where?
unidentified		Send them out in a spacecraft with a paintball gun and squirt each mirror.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Paint in black, huh?
unidentified		Yes.
		I've got an animal story for you.
		Okay.
		My granddaughter, our grandsons live with me, and they have a poodle.
		And the poodle likes to swing on swings.
		We have an old-fashioned lawn swing in the backyard, and my son-in-law was swinging on it, and then he came in the house and came back out.
		Here's the poodle sitting on the swing, swinging himself.
		My daughter went down to the park with him one day, and he pulled the leash over by the swing, so she stuck him in the kitty swings, and he's just in seventh heaven.
		I wonder if anybody else has a dog that likes to swing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've never heard of that before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would think a dog would kind of get ill.
unidentified		Well, she said somebody else came along with their dog, and they said, oh, do dogs like to swing?
		And she says, I don't know, but this one does.
		They put their dog in, and their dog freaks out.
		But Louis loves to swing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are animals that love to do weird things.
		Thank you.
		I saw some monkeys the other day water skiing.
		There's two monkeys water skiing.
		And then as a grand finale, one of the monkeys was pulled in and drove the boat while the other monkey water skied.
		I saw it on CNN.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		I'd like to comment on the Russian movie.
		Yes.
		This would cause mass hysteria and confusion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And well, it would upset the scadian rhythms of just about every living thing you can imagine.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Including me.
unidentified		And everyone else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How dare they attempt to convert my nighttime show to a daytime show?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to stand for it.
unidentified		That would be insane.
		No.
		Well, I'll enjoy listening to your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Atlanta.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Atlanta?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		W-G-S-T.
unidentified		Control.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I thank you for the call, and I guess the southern latitudes, at least in the initial stages of this, don't have anything to worry about.
		But if you're up north, be prepared for light.
		Now, let's see, if they were to do this in November, for example, in Anchorage or Fairbanks, where normally it is very dark, well, you guys are going to get a real treat.
		You're going to get sudden light.
		See, in Fairbanks, by November 9th, I would guess most of the day would be darkness.
		Most of the night?
		All of the night would be darkness, and the majority of the day as well.
		And so it would be a very dramatic appearance indeed.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		How's your dash?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My dash is just spiffy.
unidentified		Great, great.
		This is Eric.
		I'm calling from Central California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Eric.
unidentified		Do you remember some time back, a guy gave his iguana CPR?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do.
unidentified		I just wanted to let you know that since that time, I've come to realize that the I guess that the American Red Cross now gives CPR lessons to pet owners on how to revive your pet.
unidentified		And I thought that was Well, look.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I thought about it, and of course when you hear about it dispassionately, giving an okuana a mouth, a two-beak, or whatever.
unidentified		Um, it sounds horrible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if it's your pet, for example, one of my cats, I would do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't you?
unidentified		Oh, I would too.
		Certainly, especially if it was one of my kids.
		If it was one of my kids' pets.
		Especially.
		So I have a question.
		Have you heard of Roger Penrose?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've heard the name is.
unidentified		He's the Rouse Ball Professor of Mathematics at Oxford.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And when he was a child, he came up with a construction called the Penrose Triangle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Penrose Triangle?
unidentified		The Penrose Triangle, yes.
		Okay.
		And M. C. Escher, the Dutch artist, are you familiar with him?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, and I don't have time to become familiar with him because we're coming up on the top of the L. I appreciate the call.
		By the way, he began the call by saying, how's your dash?
		And if you've ever looked at a tombstone, you'll notice it gives the name and a year and the dash and then the year of death.
		The dash refers to that period of life, as in now.
		How's your dash?
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
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		This is Coast to Coast AM from the Kingdom of My with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and there really is some interesting news going on.
		I've got a story here about a gun that you just wouldn't believe.
		Somebody called in the last half hour and said that they had just received news, actually ran on ABC, that some microprocessor chips had been noticed to modify themselves of late.
		And I'm digging for information on that one too.
		Coming up in just a few moments is Albert Taylor, Dr. Al Taylor.
		And of course, he has a book called Soul Traveler and a very, very, very unique, and I'm going to try and find some words for it.
		I had a hell of a thing happen to me in Paris, and I'm going to talk about it with Al in a moment.
		Now, Al's book is not available right now.
		How about that?
		Having a guest on who doesn't even have a book available right now.
		It's all sold out.
		But it will be coming out big time, along with a big, I don't know, like 15-city tour or something in August or September.
		We'll ask Al about that.
		But because of what happened to me in Paris, I wanted to have Al on for just a little while tonight to kind of roll through what happened to me.
		It was the most unusual experience of my life.
		There is no question about it.
		Now, in just a moment, you are about to meet a truly fascinating man who introduced me, I guess, in a way, to the reality of travel outside the body or the prospect of it.
		And for so long, I intellectualized about it and listened to stories about it and heard from so many of you about it.
		And then all of a sudden, with no warning whatsoever, it happened to me.
		All right, aeronautical engineer-scientist Albert Taylor spent almost two decades evaluating satellite system designs and multiple government-classified programs, including the Star Wars and F-117A stealth fighter programs, at major aerospace companies in Southern California.
		The knowledge he gained there eventually led to his involvement in NASA's International Space Station program.
		And by the way, there is an announcement tonight indicating the space station, the International Space Station, again, is going to be delayed.
		Albert has also developed two prototype computers and taught art and logistics engineering, real hands-on engineering, huh?
		Al Taylor is currently a metaphysical researcher, lecturer, and artist.
		He is an active member of the International Association of Near-Death Studies, a participant in the Monroe Institute's Voyagers program, and volunteers his time at a Los Angeles Hospital Hospice program.
		Here is Albert Taylor.
		Albert, welcome back to the program.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
unidentified		It's a pleasure to be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's great to have you.
		Let's see.
		There are a couple of things that I wish to ask you about.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Good, I'm excited.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just before we get into the real meat of where we're going here, there is a very, very interesting, I know that you did work on satellites, and there's a very interesting story.
		I don't know if you heard me talking about it on the air or not, but it seems the Russians have some pretty interesting plans.
		They are going to launch November 9th, or within days of that date, a reflector into space that will reflect back to Earth about 10 times the light of a full moon.
		Now, that will be a test that will last just a few days.
		It is then going to be followed by, this is Energia, a big consortium of Energia.
		Then they are going to launch hundreds of satellites, each one capable of reflecting back to Earth 100 times the light of a full moon.
		Now, how does that idea strike you?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think it's as big a deal as they're making it out to be.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		The space station, when it's built, you will be able to see it crossing over the sky with the naked eye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So I don't know.
		It depends on what the goal is.
		I hadn't heard much about it, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the goal is to turn night into day.
unidentified		For what purpose, though?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Just to say I can do it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, they have in some parts of Russia very long winter nights.
		And I suppose for productivity, to eliminate the need for street lights, it said in the story, for all kinds of reasons.
		But to imagine now a satellite capable of reflecting back to Earth light 100 times the brightness of the full moon, that's quite a bit of light.
		It's not the sun, but it's a hell of a lot of light.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you have hundreds of them, then you're talking about some pretty serious light.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It'll be like Alaska or something.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Six months of sunlight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they want to confuse the bars so they don't know when to open or close.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the International Space Station, by the way, has once again been delayed for financial reasons, I suppose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sad to hear because it doesn't look like Mir is going to last very much longer.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, they've spent three times the budget that was originally projected for the space station.
		It's gone through numerous redesigns.
		I think when I was there, we were in our fourth redesign, and that was because of Clinton coming into office.
		So I'm really saddened by that because the first element launch should have been off like last year, maybe a year ago.
		And as a taxpayer and a space enthusiast, it really, that's very, very saddening and disappointing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To give you some idea, here it is.
		Just cleared the wires.
		Cape Canaveral, the International Space Station.
		It slipped from 1992 to 4, then 95 to 96, to 97 to 98.
		Now it looks like NASA's space station is delayed again.
		Not only that, the SALL space station will cost more than promised because of all the setbacks and changes, at least $3.6 billion more for now a whopping 21% increase.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It's very sad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think they're beginning to rethink the whole thing, and I just wonder if we're going to go to space.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It's very sad.
		I don't know.
		You know, we've been using the Russian Mir space station, and that thing is really in bad shape.
		We really need an international space station, not just for different types of experiments and things that we're going to develop, but also as kind of a transit base to the moon and to Mars.
		So it's very sad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now on to from the hard sciences on to what I really want to talk to you.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		What I really want to talk about.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You and I have done, what do you figure, half a dozen shows?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		This is the sixth one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sixth one.
		It all began when people would call me up at the phone and say, hey, Art, something really weird is happening to me.
		I'm having this, I'm paralyzed at night, kind of in a half sleep, half in and half out of sleep state, paralyzed, can't move a bone, scary as hell.
		I hear a buzzing sound in my head, I guess is a way to put it.
		And of course, they led me to you.
		And you have a book called Soul Traveler, and you maintain that our souls, our essence, may, under certain circumstances, actually leave our body.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct?
unidentified		Correct.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		100%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have listened academically and been fascinated by the whole prospect, and I've heard caller after caller say they have done it.
		And of course, I have never done it.
		I've had the initial stages a couple of times of this buzzing and humming and feeling of being paralyzed, but I was jerked back.
		And then I went on vacation to Paris.
		Took my wife to Paris.
		We love that city, despite what some people think of the French.
		It's a beautiful city, very romantic.
		And there we were in this very nice hotel, and I can't tell you whether I was asleep or not.
		I'm really not sure as I think back on it now.
unidentified		Well, your body was asleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		But I've had plenty of flying dreams.
		I love flying, and I've had flying dreams, and when I wake up, I know that I have just had a flying dream.
		There is no question in my mind.
		I've never said to myself, my God, I was out of my body.
		I've just said to myself, wow, what a cool dream.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I knew it was a dream.
		Right.
		But here I was laying there, and this is going to be hard, Albert, because it's hard to come up with the words to impart the profound feeling that I had.
		But all at once, with no notice whatsoever, no buzzing, no humming, no feeling of being paralyzed, Albert, I shot up like a rocket.
		I mean, straight up, like that.
		There was absolutely, even though there was tremendous acceleration, there was no feeling of, no feeling of acceleration.
		In other words, when you accelerate, you expect to be pushed back in your seat, or you've seen the photographs of the astronauts with their lips beginning to curl back as the acceleration presses on them.
		No physical feeling of acceleration whatsoever.
		But the acceleration was tremendous.
		I just went whoosh, right up and out.
		I was above Paris.
		I was looking down on Paris.
		I was looking down on the Eiffel Tower.
		I was looking down on the hotel and the downtown section.
		But that was all secondary.
		What I really felt, and this is where words begin to fail me, I felt this of this incredibly profound joy.
		Joy is not the right word.
		Rapture.
		A feeling of rapture.
		I mean, just a wondrous feeling.
		And it so surprised me, and it shocked me so much that I snapped right back.
unidentified		And so I woke up my wife.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I woke up Ramona.
unidentified		I said, my God, you wouldn't believe what just happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you're right, poor Ramona.
		I said, you wouldn't believe what just happened to me.
		And she's going, you know, and I'm sort of laying this out for her.
		And even then, it was hard.
		I couldn't produce the words.
		I said, I said, honey, it was so incredible, so amazing, that I came right back to tell you.
unidentified		And I don't know what happened to me, Albert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what happened to me.
		But I know that it was no dream.
		It was no flying dream.
		I can assure you this was something in a whole new realm.
unidentified		Right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It's what I've been talking about, Art, for very long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No notice.
unidentified		Right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No notice.
		You just had a spontaneous out-of-body.
		You don't necessarily have to experience all the buzzing, the vibration, and the heaviness and the shortness of breath and all that.
		Sometimes you can transition that so quickly that you just accelerate to extreme distances.
		You know, the wonderful thing about this whole thing, Art, is that since you've experienced this, like I said before, you've gone from a belief or trying to understand it to an actual knowing.
		No matter what anyone else says to you ever again in life, you can't look at it differently.
		You will look at it this way forever.
		And the most wonderful thing about the whole experience, Art, is that's as dead as you're ever going to get.
		That's as dead as you're ever going to get.
		That's what it feels like to be dead.
		So if that's what it feels like and it was a wonderful experience, then that should take a little bit of the fear out of death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've always said sleep is a little slice of death.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I think it's wonderful To talk about it for so very long, I think we've been talking about this for almost two years now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And to actually, this is what I've been telling people, just because you haven't had one in your life doesn't mean you will never have one.
		There are certain things, situations that set up just right that a person can have an out of experience.
		And if you have that, that is such a wonderful thing because you truly know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are spirit.
		You are more than your physical body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No question about it.
		No question about it.
		Now, I can't know for sure that what you say is so, that, in other words, that I did this while I'm alive.
		Now, I don't know what lies beyond the barrier of death.
		I have no way of knowing for sure.
		But I do know that this happened to me, and I do know there is no question about it.
		My spirit, my essence was absolutely flat out of my body.
		It was very short, or at least it seemed extremely short to me.
		And there's no real reference of time.
		I do remember seeing the physical things below me, but they were absolutely secondary to this immense joy that I was having, this immense feeling of, oh, God, what's the right word?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, you visited home for a brief period of time.
		That's what it's like to go home.
		That's our natural state.
		We forget that in the physical form.
		So that's what you experience, and it's a wonderful thing.
		It's equivalent of almost having a near-death experience without actually going through the trauma.
		And there's more.
		You just touch the tip of the iceberg.
		There's a lot more to it than that.
		And that's what, and if you imagine doing that, I've been doing it since I was five years old.
		I just didn't know what it was until about seven to eight years ago.
		And since then, I've been experimenting with it and trying different things and flying here and having encounters.
		And that's what's changed my perspective on who and what we are on this planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe a better word would be ecstasy.
		I mean, it was so astoundingly wonderful that there was a letdown when I got back.
		I mean, there was a surprise and a joy at it having happened, but there was a letdown when I got back in the sense that, oh, I want to go back there again.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's kind of like, you know, Batman the Riot out here.
		You stand in line for like, you know, 30 minutes and the riot only lasts a minute.
		It's an exciting thing, but man, it's over way too quick.
unidentified		Now, are most out-of-body experiences fast?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		No, no, they vary.
		It all depends on the individual.
		I've been out for three hours at one time, and so it just depends on the individual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you measure time?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know what time I went to bed, and as soon as I return, it's not like I return and my body's sleeping.
		I return, reconnect, and sit up and look back at the clock.
		And that's what I documented in my book.
		Because the thing about this whole experience art is that people asked me about proving it.
		But you know what?
		I think the best proof is having the individual like yourself have the experience.
		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there.
		Look, there's no question about my experience.
		Hold on, Al, we're at the bottom of the hour.
		Yes, I absolutely had it.
		Never before.
		I wonder if ever again.
unidentified		I wonder if I can't see it.
		Thank you.
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		Now again, here's Art Bell.
		Hey, hey, hey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Albert Taylor is here.
		His book, Sold Traveler.
		You can't get it right now.
		It's sold out, but it'll be out soon, big time.
		Now, we'll get back to him in a moment.
		All right.
		Here's an obvious question, Al, for you.
		I have, when I'm working, when I'm doing the program, as I am now, I have by necessity, an extremely structured life.
		In other words, I'm on the air at a certain time.
		I've got to devote five hours to the program, X number of hours to preparing for the program, and business during the day, and I sleep in two segments, one in the morning, one in the afternoon.
		It's a very structured day.
		It has to be that way.
		And it's not that I mind.
		It's just the way it is.
		And so I've never had this experience.
		And so here I go off on vacation, other side of the world, and suddenly my entire schedule has changed.
		I'm no longer under any of the pressures that I was under.
		I'm on vacation, and suddenly this incredible, astounding thing happens to me.
		The obvious question is, was it because I was in a different place?
		Was it because my life was suddenly topsy-turvy?
		Was it because all the pressures were gone?
		Why would it happen?
unidentified		Because your sleep pattern was interrupted.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It was different than it normally is.
		See, when you sleep a normal eight hours, you sleep, generally you sleep too heavy.
		That's why when I wrote in my book, when I discovered what I call the interrupted sleep technique, I found that if I only slept for maybe four hours and I was up for a few hours and I went back to bed, which you may have done kind of in a similar thing in Paris, I was able to leave the body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I do that here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The difference is, of course, that I've done business all day long.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It could have been a number of factors.
		Or it could have been the lack of tension, the lack of preparation.
		So when I tell people to do things, you don't get up and start doing all kinds of activities like working, preparing for a show, things like that.
		It really has a lot to do with relaxation.
		Now, if you were having a wonderful, relaxing time there, that is a major plus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, look, it was wonderful.
		I sat and I read Jay Krakauer's In the Thin Air about the Everest business.
		I was reading books.
		I had time to do things that I don't have time to do when I'm doing the show during the week.
		It was a completely different atmosphere.
unidentified		If only we could do it here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		All right.
		Here's somebody who writes, comment for Al Taylor.
		Caution, caution, caution, caution.
		Art, spontaneous OBEs are one thing.
		I've had many, and congrats on your Paris trip.
		However, both times that Al Taylor has been on extolling the pleasures of self-induced disturbed sleep for OBEs, in other words, setting your alarm, in essence, to wake you in four hours, he fails to point out the painful consequences and danger to one's physical and mental health.
		Any disturbance to stage four deep sleep is the major contributing factor to fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome.
		Our four stages of sleep are sequential for a reason.
		This is when our bodies are supposed to be repairing and restoring cells and tissues in the joints that we use up daily.
		Not flying around the cosmos just for fun.
		So he says it's irresponsible not to bring this up, so I am.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, all I can say is that I've taught this to literally thousands and thousands and thousands of people.
		And I get literally from your show in the last two years hundreds of thousands of letters maybe.
		I don't know, so many.
		And not one of those people have complained about their bodies, their health degrading, having problems.
		Everyone that I've talked to, and this is people who've had near-death experiences and still have out of experiences because of it and hundreds of other people, no one has been worse off.
		Almost all have been better off.
		So I'm just going by what I've experienced, not what I'm guessing at.
		I'd rather go and tell you what I have feedback on and what I experienced myself.
		Here I am.
		I've been doing it all my life and I'm perfectly fine.
		I can only go by that.
		Now if it does exist, I will say even if one person wrote me today or even if ten people wrote me today and said they were having problems, they would be in the minority out of all the hundreds of thousands of people who don't have problems.
		So I'm not saying that go out and do this.
		This is something that you have to really kind of understand that it's a lot more than just the physical body.
		The physical body does not dictate the spirit.
		It's the other way around.
		So all the things that we can say is going to happen to the physical body, it doesn't really apply because the spirit has a lot of control over the body that we don't generally exercise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, another note, Albert.
		I didn't notice any, or at least I don't recall any physical presence of myself.
		This was entirely, I didn't see myself.
		I don't remember looking at myself.
		I don't even remember that.
		So I don't recall any physical presence.
		This was utterly a detached spiritual kind of thing that happened to me.
		Even though I was able to look down on Paris, it was very much a secondary thing.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So you didn't experience flying in the astral body?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I was about to ask you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, where was I?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, it sounds like if you didn't see your hands, your astral hands, which if you would have seen them, you would have definitely remembered them because they look like nothing I've ever seen before.
		But if you didn't experience the astral form, then that's another positive thing because that probably implies that you were experiencing the etheric body.
		And the etheric body is a lot different than the astral form.
		It's not necessarily humanoid.
		It's more like a pinpoint of consciousness or even if someone, I'd say, could look at you from afar, you would be this brilliant source of light.
		So that may be what you experience.
		Usually when I have experienced, because I don't always fly or travel with the astral form, I found out early on that I could leave it.
		And when I've done that, that's when usually I can see the room in all directions.
		I don't see my body.
		I don't look down and see my legs.
		There's nothing there.
		So that might be what you experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was nothing slow about this.
unidentified		It was like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was just, I was blown.
		I was up there suddenly.
		And I was in this state of ecstasy.
unidentified		Right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And that's another indication because generally when you just have an astral projection, because not all out of body experiences are astral projection.
		There's some beyond the astral plane.
		So generally when you have an astral projection, you don't necessarily get that wonderful feeling that you got.
		The wonderful feeling comes when you get closer back to where we originated, back to our natural self.
		So that's what it sounds like you experienced, which I think is fantastic.
		It's wonderful.
		You can't believe how happy that makes me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it made me happy too.
		I mean, that is the right word.
		It made me more than happy.
		Happy is in vision.
		And I wish that I could come up with the right words to impart to my audience how absolutely amazing this was.
		The words won't come.
		There are simply not words for this.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Now, let me ask you this, Art.
		Now, a lot of people listen to you.
		I think you have 12 million test listeners.
		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A bunch of people.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Now, having had this experience and having heard all the fearful condemnations and things that people have said over the last two years and knowing all this, would you want to experience it again?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		The people who experience it aren't afraid of it.
		The people who generally have read about it, heard about it, or not necessarily experiencers, draw upon their everyday life to insert fear into the experience.
		But the people who actually have done it find out it is the most incredible and wondrous thing that could ever happen to them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was absolutely nothing fearful about it.
		But what there was, it was so incredibly shocking to me.
		Not in any bad way, but shocking in a wonderful way that I think that I snapped myself out of it.
		I guess.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		The excitement will bring you back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, it was exciting.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, excitement.
		That's what's so tough about it.
		You think about it.
		It's so exciting, and that brings you back.
		So you have to, if you expose yourself to many, many, many times, then you become a little bit better at handling the excitement and that type of thing.
		But the fact that you did it once, what I find out a lot in the people that I've taught, when you open the gate once, usually it stays open.
		So the fact that you had one once means that you can have many, many more.
unidentified		Uh...
unidentified		Would I...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would I need to produce circumstances similar to Paris to have another one, I wonder?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		In some cases, it depends on the individual.
		That may work for you again, but in some other cases, it could just happen spontaneously when you go to sleep at night.
		It just depends.
		So there's some times that I try to do it and I achieve it, and then there's some other times that it just happens.
		And I've known people who didn't prepare for it, didn't have any idea, and all of a sudden they had a spontaneous and they hadn't done anything to change their sleeping calories.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, I don't think that Paris had a damn thing to do with it.
		I think that what it was was that even though ideally I'm in love with my job, as you know, but it requires my constant attention in just about every way you can imagine.
		Listen, by the way, we are having lightning storms right now, and my lights just went out.
		I can see my computer is rebooting, and everything's going crazy around here.
		So somebody up there may be listening to me.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You can't let too much information out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I honestly believe that it has to do with the fact that all of my everyday concerns, worries, work, and buzz of the day was gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was in an utterly relaxed mode, and that's what let it happen.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I think he hit the nail on the head.
		The thing about it, Art, is if you really realize and know that you are spirit, you will start looking at the little things that cause us stress as being insignificant.
		They no longer stand.
		I mean, and when we start letting go of those things, that's when we get closer to this other part of us.
		It's the stress and then immersing ourselves in what the five senses are telling us about the physical will, the job, the mortgage, and all that stuff that keeps us at this heightened level of tension that prevents us from relaxing to get to that state.
		So that sounds like what happened to you, and I think that's wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you said this is as dead as you will ever get.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		So that's it.
		There's nothing to fear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do we know, I mean, that would be wonderful if it were true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do we know that that is what happens to you?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, the key word is know.
		Knowing.
		To me, knowing is experiencing.
		Not reading, not hearing about it, not even believing me.
		Because I don't want, I'm not trying to convince anybody.
		The way you would know would be to repeat the experience over and over again, and you will find out.
		Because first of all, like I said, we just talked about the tip of the iceberg.
		When you have these experiences, all of a sudden, you're going to start seeing relatives who've passed away, angels, guides, or whatever you want to call them, non-physicals.
		There's a whole lot of things going on there.
		And when you have these types of encounters, one thing that you realize, and you will know beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you're not very different from them.
		The only difference is that you have a physical body to go back to.
		But that's the best way I could say, if anybody really wants to know, please try these experiences.
		Don't get locked down into the ones I wrote.
		Try as many as you can, because that's the true way of finding out and actually knowing is to experience it.
		And there's tons and tons of people who have, and you're one of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, excuse me a second.
		We have a severe lightning and thunderstorm directly overhead.
		I'm going to take a real quick break.
		I'm going to hope that we keep everything together, but we're having lightning strikes straight above us.
		Kind of weird stuff going on here at the moment.
		So I'm going to take a quick break and be right back with you, Albert, okay?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like a plan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, stay right there.
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		We have a very, very, very severe lightning storm directly above us, and we're taking hits very close to the house.
		And of course, As you know, I'm in radio and I have towers high in the air and it's probably inviting the lightning down.
		It's like saying, here you go, here's a place, fire away, and it's been doing that, and we've been getting strikes extremely close.
		But I guess we are still on the air.
		I think we're still on the air.
		My goodness, life is interesting.
		Albert, are you there?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we've got a little time before the top of the hour here.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		And I wonder if I can mention the new book coming out in Dutton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sure can.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Because of the popularity of the first book, and I have to say that you have been a major element in that, I have recently rewritten the book for Dutton, Penguin Putnam.
		And the new book, Soul Traveler, will be out on August 25th.
		What I really like about this book is it's up-to-date in comparison to the other one.
		It has my understanding of my experiences now.
		And what I did is I get so many letters asking me questions.
		And what I did is I wrote in the book and I answered a lot of those questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in what way is it different?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I left a lot of, there were some things in the beginning that I didn't understand because I was, you know, the first time I experienced it.
		But in that word, you've got to think about this.
		I wrote Stow Trepper almost four years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So I have four years of experiences since then that I have, that have answered so many questions that I posed in the first book, and I decided to write it into the book.
		Plus, I've gotten so many questions from people about experiences and I got a chance to answer that.
		So it's a very good, well-rounded book and I think it's a great read and I feel very, very confident about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm regarding you at this point as more or less the world's expert.
		I think Robert Monroe might have been while he was alive.
		I interviewed Robert Monroe and his work is similar to your work, but of course he has now passed on.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know of anybody, anybody who knows more about this than you do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, so your new book will be out again in August?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		August 25th.
		It'll be in all the major bookstores, Barnes and Noble Borders.
		It's on the parent company is Dutton, but it will be on the Penguin Putman label.
		It's got a brand new cover, which is wonderful.
		And I think it's packed full of wonderful answers and information and truly an understanding of the experience far more than what I wrote in the first one.
		It's going to be a very, very good.
		I'm really very pleased with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you still regard your book as a virtual instruction manual on how to do this?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I don't think of it as that rigid.
		I think of it as a guide.
		It's a guideline because, like I said, I don't want people to get stuck in just what I wrote about and the techniques that I wrote about because everybody's different.
		These are just some techniques that seem to work for a majority of people.
		There are all kinds of other ways.
		So I would say it's a guide to help you get to where you want to get.
		Once you use some of the techniques and experiment with them a little bit, you don't have to stick with Exactly how I wrote it.
		You can modify them to fit your own needs.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the fact of the matter is, they can't get your book right now, right?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		They can't get the new book right now, but it will be in the forest in about a month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so, in about a month, we're going to have you back on the air again.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		We can talk about a new far-written show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, do a far more extensive program.
		So here you are, and I just really appreciate you coming on the air.
		And if you're willing, I would like to take about an hour of calls, assuming the thunderstorm, lightning storm will allow us to stay on the air here.
unidentified		It's really what I'm looking for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So we will do exactly that.
		Stay right there, Al.
		Albert Taylor is my guest, and we're going to do about another hour.
		And this next hour, I am going to devote to any of you who have questions about this most remarkable, astounding.
		It's just, you know, I couldn't talk about it this way previously, but now it has happened to me.
		And I've got to tell you, I've got to tell you, it's as real as anything I experienced in my life.
		Take my word for it when I tell you I've had flying dreams.
		I wake up, I know that I have had a flying dream.
		I know it was a dream.
		What occurred to me in Paris was no dream.
		It was absolutely real.
		And so soul travel, or whatever it is, is absolutely real.
		And I'm sure there are many of you who know it as well.
		An hour of calls coming up next.
unidentified		An hour of calls coming up next.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, good morning, everybody.
		What a morning it is in more ways than one.
		My guest is Al Taylor.
		Dr. Al Taylor.
		He has a book called Soul Traveler.
		Rest yourself.
		You can't get it right now.
		You'll be able to get it in August as he begins a, I don't know, about a 15-city tour or so.
		And the reason I have Al on tonight is because it finally happened to me.
		I had a definite out-of-body experience.
		There was no warning.
		There was no humming.
		There was no paralyzation.
		Is that a word?
		I wasn't paralyzed.
		None of that.
		Just out I went.
		Very short, very ecstatic, hard to describe, but the most joyful feeling I've ever felt in my whole life.
		That occurred in Paris.
		And I got hold of Al as soon as I could.
		So I'm going to take this next hour, and we're going to take calls for Al.
		And any of you who have any questions about this, I assure you, very real phenomenal.
		Probably phenomena is not the right word.
		It's probably a very natural thing.
		How could it not be?
		But it seems like a phenomenon, certainly if you've never had it.
		Sally in Washington State writes the following, Dear Art, now you know why people cultivate the OBE or out-of-body experience.
		That feeling accompanies each and every experience.
		Yes, the opportunity for exploration and growth is unlimited, but the feeling, that's worth pursuing in and of itself.
		Albert, welcome back.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Sally is exactly right.
		I just, you know, I know it sounds like I just go on and on and on about it, but it was so astounding.
		So astounding, Al.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a big deal.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It's a life-changing experience.
unidentified		Yes.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You will never, ever look at your life or anybody else's life ever again the same.
		So it is a big deal, and your enthusiasm is the same enthusiasm that I have for it, and I've been doing it for a long time.
		So I totally understand, and that's what's so positive about it, is it's a wonderful thing to really, really find out that you are more than just the physical body and that you can do these incredible things.
		So your enthusiasm is justified, 110%.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're absolutely correct.
		All right, here we go.
		Let's see what's out in the audience.
		And by the way, again, for my audience, we're going to do an hour of calls.
		Then we're going to have Al back when his book is close to coming out August 25th.
		So on the first time caller line, you're on the air with Albert Taylor.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		You know, I didn't mean to call on the first time caller line.
		But anyhow, this is your old friend Randy.
		I talked to him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Randy, if you're not a first-time caller, I can't take you on this line.
unidentified		Well, in a sense, I am, because it's the OBE, I faxed you, and I was asking you about it, and you couldn't answer, I guess.
		But what I'm asking is, I've done those.
		It took me 17 years to do it.
		I read about it like 17 years ago.
		I'm 34 years old now.
		And I finally started doing them within the last year or so.
		And I've always had these questions, and I knew one night we'd get the answer.
		So here's the question for Mr. Taylor, Dr. Taylor.
		And that is, while the soul is out of the body, two questions in fact.
		One, Can another soul that's traveling take over the body?
		And secondly, some of the people that you see, some of the other souls that are around you, are those people who are astrally traveling and don't know that they're doing it, or people who may not be aware of it, but they're just doing it because I've met like a couple of people that I know, and one of them told me that she's dead, and I don't know how to get in touch with her in the living world.
		So I was wondering, is that a way of contact with the world?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		None of that happened to me, Al?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hear that.
		Now, a lot of people ask me, that's the biggest fear, is can someone take over your body?
		And the thing is, is that I would say, first of all, no.
		There's nothing to worry about that because there's a lot of organization going on, the divine organization, and you have been given your body for a particular reason, and that's to learn here on earth.
		That's not going to be interrupted just because you occasionally leave the body.
		That has nothing to do with it.
		There is a major plan, and every one of us is a valued member of that plan.
		So the plan is more important than worrying about someone taking over your body.
		But I get that all the time.
		A lot of people ask me that.
		What was the second question, Art?
		You remember?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he said that he met some people that were dead, really.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		It could be a multitude of non-physicals that you could meet.
		You could meet someone who is an astral traveler like yourself.
		You can meet someone who's astral traveling and not know it because not everybody remembers.
		I like to say that 99% of us travel out of body every night, but only about 20 to 25 percent of us remember.
		You could meet deceased relatives.
		You could meet non-physicals who've never incarnated on earth.
		You can meet angelic-like creatures if you want to call them that, angels, guides.
		And so there's a multitude of life, if you want to call it non-physical life, to meet beyond the body and higher than the astral plane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Albert Taylor.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Dan in Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Sounds like you're getting ready to have another out-of-body experience sooner than you think with that weather out there.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You get near-death experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, as a matter of fact, I would warn people in the Prom Valley and maybe Las Vegas, I don't know, to be wary of flash flooding.
		We're getting that kind of rain.
		Anyway, Dan, go ahead.
unidentified		Yeah, I've got a couple of questions.
		Dr. Taylor, ever since I was young, I had these sensations like when you're in an elevator, you get that dropping feeling.
		And during sleep, then I just sort of jerk.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right, right when you're dropping off to sleep or just waking up?
unidentified		Well, I'd get this sensation of dropping.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, I've had that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right, that's related to it.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, as well.
		Definitely.
		I kind of got sensation of coming back into my body, and then it just kind of jerks.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Then that may very well have been that.
unidentified		And it wakes me up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've had that too.
		I've got to explain to everybody that whatever that is, it was nothing like what I had.
		I mean, not even close.
		Not even in the same universe.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you detached completely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I really did.
		I absolutely did.
		And this acceleration that I felt, more accurately, I didn't feel it.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Like I wrote in my book, no train, plane, or vehicle that we've made to travel as fast as I was traveling.
		That's it.
		And that's about it in a nutshell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it was without the physical feeling of acceleration.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so that's impossible to describe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Acceleration without the physical feeling.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Without feeling the wind and the air and all that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So the thing is, when I started writing this book, the toughest thing I had to do was transfer or transfer that type of experience into the English language that can really justify it.
unidentified		Because it really goes beyond anything I can put into words.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So that was very, very tough for me also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad to hear that somebody else had trouble with it.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and still is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Al Taylor.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yes, good morning, Art.
		This is Ted in Kill Country, Louisiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'd like to relate an experience to Mr. Taylor that happened to me about a month ago.
		This was before I started listening to your show.
		And it was an out-of-body experience.
		And I think it was called, I had stayed up the night before, you know, on the computer, on the Internet.
		So I ended up going to bed around 4 a.m., kind of late.
		So my dad came upstairs and was working on the computer.
		And I think you mentioned something about needing something to wake you up, like an alarm, setting an alarm clock to wake you up.
		I think this is what I practice.
		So I remember coming to in sort of a dreamlike state, and I wasn't in, it was like my bed was made, but I wasn't in my physical body.
		I couldn't feel the sheets around me or anything.
		And I heard you mention other people could sense other entities around them.
		Well, the way my bed is configured, I'm facing the door.
		And so over my bed, hovering about three feet over my bed was something, it was a non-physical, but I could sense that it was evil.
		And it was almost so powerful, at first I was convinced that this was Satan himself.
		And it was very, very odd, very disturbing.
		So immediately I was like, I defy you, get out.
		And then there was like an explosion and this black entity just exploded and disappeared.
		And I woke up and then I could feel others around me and I said, we beat it.
		I was trying to say, we beat it, we beat it, but it was like I was paralyzed, my tongue was tight, I couldn't talk.
		And that's when I woke up, and this was about 6 a.m.
		I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's nothing like what I had.
unidentified		Well, right.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, what we're talking about here is perception.
		And you perceived it to be evil.
		And if you think in that direction, everything else will quickly follow.
		You will perceive, and matter of fact, the fear that you would feel in that state will be ten times as much as the fear that you feel in the normal state.
		But what we're really talking about here is a perception.
		Because what happened, it didn't do anything to indicate any type of evil, you just perceived it that way.
		Now the next time you have that type of experience, try to just be neutral.
		Try not to judge what it is, try not to guess, because what you're drawing on is your life here on earth.
		I don't know how many horror movies you've seen, but I've seen tons of them.
		And I don't want to draw on any of that.
		And that's what I was finding out was contaminating my out-of-body experiences.
		And I was really scaring myself.
		So next time, try to be neutral.
		And then you might see something a little different unfold.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Al Taylor and Art Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello, Dr. Taylor and Mr. Bell.
		I have several questions.
		One is, can you, in your out-of-body experience, can you go and see somebody that you know?
		Oh, yeah.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I did that a lot in the beginning.
unidentified		And can you hear what's happening around you?
		I mean, can you hear...
		And can you, like, could you go into the ocean and see what's down in the ocean?
		I mean, could you have a spotlight on?
		Could you see lighter?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, now we're not talking about an optic nerve here.
		We're talking about sensory, let's say, senses that we don't have available to us on the physical body.
		But anywhere you can focus your thoughts on, you can go.
		Anywhere, underwater, outer space, the moon, anywhere you can focus your thoughts on, you can go.
unidentified		And there's one more.
unidentified		Can I go to places, can I go to people that I don't know?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's difficult because you have to care about them in some kind of way.
		When you're out of body, if you don't think about them, generally you're not going to go there.
		You're only going to go on what really has an emotional impact on you because that seems to be the only thing that you can remember when you're out of body anyway.
unidentified		Okay.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Or that you even care about.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
		What happened to me was totally out of my control.
		And so an obvious question is, Yeah, you went ballistic, right?
		How do you begin to learn to control it, either in terms of bringing it on or what occurs once it has begun?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the first thing I tell people, if you do have one, I say document everything you did that day.
		Time you ate, the time you went to sleep, how you felt, everything.
		And then try to duplicate that the best you can.
		That's how I stumbled upon the interrupted sleep technique technique is because I duplicated it and oh my god, it was working.
		It worked like eight out of ten times.
		Now the only way to become proficient in it is like riding a bike.
		You've got to get on the bike and pedal.
		The better and more and more you spend on the seat or flying or out of the seats, I should say, the more and more you do that, the better and better you get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well here's the thing, Al.
		I have, as you know, an interrupted sleep pattern all the time, every day.
		I sleep in the morning, I sleep then again in the afternoon.
		In Paris, I continued to have that same sleep pattern.
		The only difference was that I didn't have the radio show.
		I didn't have the pressure every day.
unidentified		After day o'clock.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of that was gone.
		I was reading books.
		I was lazing around.
		I was going over to the Eiffel Tower.
		We were visiting different places when we felt like it in Paris and lazing around the rest of the day.
		So that's the difference.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Your attention level was reduced dramatically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the sleep pattern, though, remained the same, interrupted.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but the thing here we're talking about is to achieve an altered state of consciousness.
		Gotcha.
		Many people have used meditation.
		During meditation, you actually relax the body.
		You do deep breathing or whatever.
		Now, if you're living in a stressful life, what many of us do here in the States, of course, that's going to keep you further and further away from actually achieving this altered state.
		But you took like a vacation from your stressful life.
		And all of a sudden, you popped out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		So I would say that in this, even being back here, maybe you want to re-examine some of the things that cause you stress and reduce them because they're really not as important as sometimes we make them out to be.
		Because I know this, because you had this experience and it was wonderful, I really feel that you would want to do it as many times as possible.
		So that's the trade-off.
		What is more important than this experience in my life?
		And I'll tell you, a lot of things in my life, I have just totally shrugged off because they really aren't as important as I thought they were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here's the only part that I'm not sure about.
		I'm sure about what happened to me, Al, but I'm not sure that that's what happens when you die.
		How are you sure of that?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'd say I wouldn't say that unless I had through many, many experiences, encountered my dead aunt many times, dead friend, and conversed with them.
		Not just, oh, there they are, but actually share thought forms.
		Robert Monroe talked about it.
		It's not like speaking, even though it's speaking and more.
		And through these thought forms, like you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you left the body and you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have this experience, that's the same kind of knowing you get with these thought forms.
		And you start identifying with the beings that you have encounters with.
		And you get to the point where you know beyond the shadow of a doubt that there's very little difference between you and them.
		And the only difference is, is that you have a physical body to come back to.
		So that's what I'm sharing is because of these numerous encounters and identifying and relating to these beings and a host of other things that I've really come to the understanding that that is as dead as you get.
		Plus, I talked to Daniel about it and he totally identified with what I was saying and he'd had a near-death experience.
		Now I've talked to, I'm a member of the International Association of Near-Death Studies, and I've literally talked to the largest group in the U.S. IANS group, which is in Seattle, and all of those people are a validation to me.
		So it's not just my experiences, but it's other experiences, people who've had them, and it's kind of how I put this puzzle together to help me understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm such a stubborn sucker.
		I can believe in and understand and relate to anything that I have experienced.
		But then, as I just said to you a moment ago, I can't be sure.
		I have no way of knowing this boy, are we getting lightning strike?
		Maybe somebody's trying to warn me that I should be talking about this.
		I have no way of knowing that this is what occurs when you die.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe a giant bolt of lightning is about to convince me otherwise here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is how I see it.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Two years ago before you and I spoke, you didn't know what you know now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's for sure.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		What you know now has totally blown away everything that you thought about.
		And now, I'm sharing with you the next step of understanding.
		And it's okay if you don't know it now, because if you do this a few more times, you're going to come back and tell me the same thing.
		Oh, my God, Al, I understand what you're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time call online, you're on there with Albert Taylor and Art Bell.
unidentified		Hi.
		Is that me?
		That's you.
		Oh, good morning, good morning, Dr. Taylor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in San Antonio.
unidentified		I'm listening to WOAI.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, okay.
unidentified		And I started having these experiences when I was like 10 years old.
		I remember.
		I'm 25 years old now.
		And I used to like lay next to my parents and start having these experiences which I didn't know what was happening and I really couldn't you know tell anyone about about it.
		But the first time I listened to you Doctor Taylor on your program, you know, I realized what what was it about and uh I went out and bought his book the next day and uh read it all and uh after that I ha I mean ever since I read the book I started I stopped having the the uh you know out-of-body experiences.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		You started having them?
unidentified		No, I stopped.
unidentified		I mean before that I used to have them like every you know uh once every two months.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		And uh after I read your book I even like uh tried d doing the exercises that you the ISP?
		Yeah, you know like meditation and you know like you know you so you're saying they actually stopped then?
		Yeah it stopped that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well maybe that wasn't the divine plan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you were trying too hard.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That may very well be too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because when I had mine I wasn't even oh my god we're having lightning.
		Albert hold on we're at the bottom of the hour.
		Wild times tonight I'm telling you it's quite a show going on here in Nevada southern Nevada.
unidentified		I'm Mark Bell and this is Coast to Coast A.M. From
		the Kingdom of Nigh, this is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		First-time callers may reach Art at area code 702-727-1222.
		702-727-1222.
		Now, here again is Art.
		And if you don't love me now, you'll never love me again.
		And you'll hear you say it, but you'll never break the jam again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody, from the high desert, where we've collected over a half inch of rain in the last 30 minutes.
		It's pretty wild out there.
		All right, back now to Albert Taylor.
		Albert, there are going to be a gazillion people out there who are going to want to talk to you or ask you a question who cannot communicate with you because they can't get through the phone.
		Is there an email address?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		If they go to my website, they can email me or they can email me at S-O-L-T-R-A-Z-S and Victor, L-E-R, at A-O-L.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's S-O-L, Soul Traveler.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At AOL.com.
unidentified		Correct.
unidentified		You know, I'm listening to your commercials.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure which one I'm more interested in, the computer chips that modify themselves, the prostate problem, or the impetusing problem.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		There's a host of things to choose from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed so.
		Okay, soultraveler at aol.com.
		I suspect you'll get a lot of mail.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I look forward to it.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I love it, and I answer all my mail, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It takes me a while, but I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, after putting out your email address after tonight's program, I will be more than interested to see if you're able to make that same statement.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It's getting harder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, soul traveler at AOL.com.
		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Albert Taylor.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Jeff from Northern California listening on KOH.
		Hi, Jeff.
		It's great to talk to you.
		Al, my question for you is kind of in regards to your conversation with your, I guess, I wouldn't call her a dead aunt, but an aunt that has passed from the physical plane.
		Does she have any perception of time or does she have any perception of your life if you're living in the physical plane?
		Or did you only contact when you're in the astral plane?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, time is an element of the physical.
		There is no time on the other side.
		Now, whether she has a knowledge of my life or not, that wasn't shared.
		What she did share was an incredible feeling of love, understanding, support, compassion, all kinds of things that just really was overwhelming.
		Now, I didn't sit there and ask her about what she thinks I should do or anything like that.
		It was more of, first of all, I have to tell you, it didn't happen where I just said, oh, this is my no big deal.
		I was totally shocked because no one ever told me about this.
		This was something, and I'm a recovering Catholic, I like to say.
		So, no one ever explained to me that this was even possible.
		So, the experience, I don't think I could have handled more than what she shared with me at that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you, Caller.
		Take care.
		It's very interesting.
		I had a perception or I perceived that what happened to me was really quick, Albert, in Paris.
unidentified		It was very fast.
unidentified		Boom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It just happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then I shocked myself back, almost sorrowfully back.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I had the perception that it was short.
		Now, could that be inaccurate?
		In other words, could it just have been my...
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		What we conceive to be short or long on the other side is totally, totally irrelevant when it comes to measuring time on our clocks in the physical world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Totally irrelevant.
unidentified		Gotcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, East of the Rockies, you're on here with Albert Taylor.
unidentified		Yes, this is Amy from Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Amy from Ohio is going to have to yell at us because she's not too loud.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
unidentified		KRC?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, just yell at us.
unidentified		Okay, I have a question for you regarding NDEs.
		I've never myself experienced what ART has experienced, nor have I experienced an NDE myself.
		On Art Show, I believe, and on TV, I've heard that some people have experienced negative NDEs.
		And I was just wondering if what ART experienced is similar to what we experienced during death.
		What could these negative NDEs possibly be?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, one thing, you know, I haven't had a near-death experience, so I'm not going to even pretend to be an expert.
		I can just say that I have heard hundreds of accounts of near-death experiences.
		Now, I have my own ideas on it, and what I found out, and I'm relating it to my experiences, is in the beginning when I did travel out of the body, because I brought a lot of fear with me, a lot of things manifest in that form because your thoughts are things.
		So I would experience these negative situations.
		If a person is going on the other side or leaving the body for the first time, as usually in a near-death experience they are, then if they're bringing some of these fearful things with them, then there's a very, very good chance that they're going to have a negative encounter.
		But most people, most people have a wonderful experience that is life-changing, and they come back and it prompts them to do all kinds of incredible work for other people.
		Generally, it's a major positive thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Al Taylor and Art Bell.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My name is Jerry, and I'm listening to you on KSRO in Santa Rosa, California.
unidentified		Hi, Jerry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Taylor, I haven't read your book, but I was just wondering if the circumstance, the process that you're discussing here could be precipitated by a chemical, like some of the Native Americans use in their rituals, like mescaline or something along that line.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I would say, yes, there are some chemicals that will probably induce an out-of-body experience.
		I don't know what they are, and I don't try them myself.
		But I would say it is possible.
		Because, you know, I think the Native Americans have done a lot of experiments with peyote, things like that.
		And you know what I find is that a lot of indigenous people have experimented with different natural substances which have caused them or helped them to achieve the state.
		But I always say you don't need any of that stuff.
		The true key is relaxation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you make a distinction between OBE and astral projection, or is there any?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, oh, definitely.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		A major difference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, what is that difference?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Astral projection is just that.
		Projection to the astral plane.
		And that is one level above the physical plane that vibrates at a higher level.
		But there are multiple levels beyond that.
		So in order to achieve that, what I found in my case is I had to leave the astral body behind on the astral plane or close to the physical body to achieve these higher areas of consciousness or vibrational areas like the etheric plane, which is one of the highest states you can get to.
		So astro projection is very, very limited.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, what do you think, based on as limited a description as I was able to give you, what do you think I had?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, because you said that you looked down and you didn't see a physical, the first thing you would have noticed is your astral body, your hands would have been transparent and glowing and little lights going through them.
		It would have been something that you definitely would have remembered.
		The fact that you didn't remember that and the fact that you had this euphoric kind of experience tells me that you may have had something, you may have had an experience in the etheric body, but not necessarily on the etheric plane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		First time caller line, you're on there with Albert Taylor.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, this is Sam from Atlanta, Georgia, WGST.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Sam.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		All right, I love your show.
unidentified		This is only the second night I've ever listened to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
unidentified		And I'm just hooked on it.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
unidentified		Great show.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Dr. Taylor.
unidentified		Yes.
		I had I'm a person that I never dream, or at least I don't remember.
		And I had a I'm 32 years old and I had a really bad, I guess you'd call it nightmare when I was about, oh, I'd say 10 or 12 years old.
		And that's, I guess, the closest I've ever come to being out of body.
		It seems so real.
		I don't know what it was, but it was, I would call it a nightmare.
		But how do you go about, I guess this is in your book, how do you condition yourself, or is it meditation, to go about having these experiences?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, for me, I'm not a good meditator.
		I tried that.
		This doesn't work for me, but a lot of people have done it.
		The thing that I can say is the easiest way that I've found, and most people have experiences like this, is through the sleep process.
		The best thing that I, the number one thing that I recommend, I looked at five different techniques in my book.
unidentified		Like sleep patterns, I mean?
unidentified		Like sleep patterns?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		yeah, to interrupt it, right, to break it up into two parts.
		So that you sleep four hours, wake up, and then stay up for maybe two hours, then sleep an additional four.
		What that does is that brings you back to consciousness so that when you go back to sleep, the body will quickly fall asleep generally if you do a relaxation or something like that, and the consciousness has a better chance of sticking around and being conscious instead of drifting off into a REM state.
		So that's the one I recommend most often is the interrupted sleep technique because I get a lot of feedback where people are able to achieve an out-of-body experience because of it.
unidentified		I see.
		Well, I'm just totally fascinated by this.
		I was wondering, have you ever experienced the, as you hear, you've probably heard so many times, the light at the end of the tunnel type?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Oh, you have?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Okay.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		And that's something that really goes, you know, and people ask, how do you know the difference between this and the dream and things like that?
		And how do you know that that's as dead as you get and things like that?
		Well, the thing is, is that through the out-of-body experience, you can have encounters with the light that people who have near-death experiences talk about.
		You can, matter of fact, not just an encounter, you can actually understand who and what that light really is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, you know, you know what I'd say?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd say if you have to ask, it was a dream.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
unidentified		Very true.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Very good, Art, because you know beyond a shadow of doubt what you did was not a dream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		Very true.
		So for everybody out there, there's no question about it.
		You know, there was not even a moment when I wondered whether I had a dream.
		I knew that something really profound just happened.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Very true.
		Very true.
		It is not a dream.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcardline, you're on the air with Albert Taylor.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm listening on KFRE and France Hill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I'm Mary Ann, and I've only had one experience, and it was wonderful, right?
unidentified		Fun?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		It was wonderful, right?
unidentified		Yes, but there was this one thing.
unidentified		I felt all of a sudden like I was flying and there was this, I felt like I was being helped along, and there was this beautiful face with this great big smile, but all these beautiful white teeth, which I will never forget.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		That is wonderful.
unidentified		And then I had the feeling that we were going to go down, and so I think I said, hold on to me so I don't get hurt.
		And then we landed, and it was like my left foot went out from underneath me, and it was like it didn't hurt.
		But a couple of days later, on that same foot on the heel, I had a great big bruise.
		Wow.
		And so I've always wondered about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, that's a very interesting question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Physical manifestations from something like this, Al?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Her case is a little different because a bruise is a negative thing.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		The spirit, the consciousness, whatever you want to call it, definitely can have an impact on the physical body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		It might not be, Nay.
		I mean, look at, suppose you're imbibing some supra-libido formula and you incur a bruise.
		It might be positive.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess in the long shot, it might be.
		Generally, what I hear people what thoughts manifest is a lot of healing, cures for different things that they've had.
		So, yes, the spirit can influence the physical body.
		And like I said, I was supposed to be in a wheelchair five years ago.
		They told me after two major multiple sclerosis attacks, I ended up in ICU, and they told me that I was going to end up in a wheelchair, and I was going to have all kinds of secondary problems.
		And because of these experiences and my understanding about who and what I really am, here it is all this time later, and I have zero remnants of those bad times with MS. Totally.
		I haven't had any attacks whatsoever in the last six or seven years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's remarkable.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Albert Taylor and Art Bell.
		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, hi there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		This is Paul in Lincoln.
unidentified		Hi, Paul, Nebraska.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Hi, how are you doing?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Pretty good.
unidentified		Wondrous.
		I had a question about once you're entering sleep, you know, sometimes you start almost hallucinating before you actually enter sleep.
		And the mind can be really playful with you.
		And I wondered, I've been reading a lot of Carlos Castaneda.
		And he talks a lot about there's beings within our sleep and how sometimes they can take your naive perceptions of going into sleep and kind of lure you in and take you places and you're very intrigued and you're very entertained with it, but yet they will kind of somehow absorb your energy.
		I mean, I'm not really into the kind of new age, like, oh, let your mind, you know, blah, blah, blah.
		But they talk about how you're influenced by these other beings, their souls or whatever.
		And I wondered how that could relate to some of the feelings of joy and everything.
		If you can get sucked in, and if that can be a negative thing.
		I know you talked a little bit about your perception of negativity can be influenced or whatever.
		But could there possibly be an exterior force kind of pulling you in?
		And if you get pulled in, can it have a negative effect on your reality during your waking life?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is how I look at it and through my experiences.
		First of all, I don't Believe in a negative force.
		I don't believe in sucking me anywhere or doing anything to me because what I found out is that I'm very much on even terms with them.
		The only time a lot of things have happened to me, now there are spirits out there who will play games with you.
		The only time I have really been, I'd say, a victim, if you want to call it that, is when I didn't know that we were very much on even ground.
		But since then, I don't have any negative experiences, and I'm not alone when I'm having these experiences.
		There is another, let's see, people call it a guide, a higher self, or they have numerous names for it that is definitely there with you monitoring your progress.
		So you are never alone and you are never ever in danger of something doing something to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can in no way connect what happened to me with anything even approaching negative.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No way, Jose.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		To tell you the truth, the only negative and evil that I have known in this life on earth is in the waking, walking state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there's plenty of that.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's tons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I think we may have time for one more.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there with Albert Taylor.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi.
		Is that Tom in Mount Lake Terrace, Washington, KOMO 1000?
		Yes, sir.
		Dr. Bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I'm no doctor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's Dr. Taylor.
unidentified		That's right.
		Anyway, I'm a little nervous.
		When I was young, I was able to astral project into the other room.
		And I was kind of neglected as a little kid.
		And this was my way of being around the adults.
		Well, one day, one of the adults went into the room when I was in the other room, up in the corner of the room watching TV, in the astral, and they found my body.
		And they brought it into the room, and it looked like I was dead.
		And they all freaked out.
		And, of course, I went back into it.
		And I was just a little kid.
		I kind of figured everybody could do this, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, that's really a good question.
		And we're woefully out of time.
		But Albert, what would a body appear to be to somebody who was awake and seeing you as you were astrally traveling?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, real quick, what he described is extremely rare because if someone were to touch you while you were out of body, you would be instantly recalled.
		So the fact that they were able to relocate his physical body without him being pulled back in is very rare.
		Matter of fact, I don't hear about that hardly at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, my friend.
		Your well-deserved break is underway right now.
		Your book comes out August 25th.
		You're going to have about 15 cities or something?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		15 cities.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		New York, you name it, Cincinnati, Detroit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		I'll be all over the place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're going to have you back just at about that time and do a full program with you so as to have a good little tease for everybody, all right?
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the meantime, everybody who wants to send them email.
		It's SolTrevor, S-O-L-Traveler at A-O-L.com.
		My friend, thank you.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's Albert Killer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		We'll be right back.
		From the Kingdom of Nile, this is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		From east of the Rockies, call Art at 1-800-825-5033.
		West of the Rockies, including Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico, at 1-800-618-8255.
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		And you may fax ART at Area Code 702-727-8499.
		Please limit your faxes to one or two pages.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		Now again, here's Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		Good morning, everybody.
		We're headed into Open Lions right now.
		We're going to have Albert Keller back around the 25th of August as he kicks off his big book tour.
		But I had to bring him in tonight.
		I had to bring him in tonight for this.
		Tomorrow night, Gary North is going to be here.
		We're going to get an update on Y2K.
		That's a very serious subject and a very serious program.
		That'll be tomorrow evening.
		Now, I want to straighten something out for those who are not quite understanding what's going on here.
		The Dreamland show that is going to air this Sunday, I will actually be taping this afternoon, later on this afternoon.
		It's not that it airs at that time.
		Dr. Bruce Goldberg is going to be my guest.
		He is a remarkable man, and he has taken a giant step, and he's going to be talking about ufology, something Dr. Bruce Goldberg really has not previously addressed.
		Although, this incredible experience that I had in Paris, I think will be a subject that we'll touch on as well.
		Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that we will be taping this between 1 and 4 o'clock Friday afternoon.
		I repeat, we'll be taping it between 1 and 4 o'clock.
		It is not for broadcast at that time, but any of you who know and wish to ask Dr. Goldberg a question are absolutely welcome to call in later this afternoon between 1 and 4.
		And if you have a relevant question, we will get you on with us.
		And then, of course, that program will air on Sunday.
		So, there you have it.
		Man, what a night.
		You have no idea what it has been like around here.
		I finally took a precaution and at least began to shut down all my computers.
		I've got them back up now, and I think the worst of it certainly has passed.
		I don't know if any of you could hear it because I've got soundproofing in here and I've got everything closed up, but we were getting lightning that was hitting right next to us, and we were getting a few crashes that were just unbelievably loud, and I heard them in my headphones.
		I don't know if they actually made it on the air, if you heard any of them or not.
		But this was one of the most violent thunderstorms that I've seen in a long time.
		There's an awful lot of energy out there, and I guess it's getting up and dissipating, unfortunately, later at night here in the desert during the time I'm on the air.
		But it was quite an experience, and from moment to moment, I expected the possibility of a permanent out-of-body experience.
		It was that close.
		What a night.
		All right, there's not a whole lot of interesting stuff going on in the news right now, the traditional news that I pulled, but there is a lot of interesting stuff going on.
		Somebody called early in the program and said, hey, Art, a computer chip, a processor, a microprocessor, has actually evolved, has evolved itself.
		And that is one incredible thing to consider.
		And I just, as I asked for anybody else who knew anything about it, and I got this, Deerard, this is in response to your request for information about the evolving computer chip.
		Along with one of your callers, I also heard the story on the radio about this chip and was so intrigued, I took notes.
		The story was reported by Hugh Downs on his Perspectives radio program that aired 7498.
		Hugh Downs said that the scientist who was familiar with this development was named Adrian Thompson.
		Not sure of the spelling.
		Basically, the rules of Darwinian evolution were programmed into a computer to create a circuit which could determine the difference between two tones using only 100 cells.
		In this context, I think cells meant transistors, gates, and or diodes.
		The computer did successfully evolve and optimize such a circuit.
		The unusual thing about the circuit was that it used five cells isolated from the rest.
		No one understands how the circuit works or why the computer placed the five isolated cells in the circuit.
		But the chip won't work without them.
		Oh my God.
		Do you realize what this means?
		Well, this means in order to deal with the, if I understand it properly, and maybe I'm wrong, but in order to deal with the problem that it was presented, a microprocessor actually modified in the sense that it added diodes itself, internal diodes, and evolved.
		An electronic device evolved.
		And I will leave to you and your imaginations where this might take us.
		And I wonder if it's a place that we want to go.
		What a remarkable story.
		And this night is full of remarkable stories, some of them not so pleasant.
		For example, this one, and I feel a responsibility to repeat this.
		The following is from Reuters.
		A melting Antarctic glacier could lead to the collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, or WAIS it's called, causing global sea levels to rise perhaps up to 20 feet.
		Radar images from satellite observations between 1992 and 96 of Pine Island Glacier in West Antarctica showed this glacier is now shrinking.
		Eric Rignaught, a radar scientist at the Jet Propulsion Lab in California, who led the study, said it is important because it could lead to a collapse of the West Antarctic ice sheet.
		He said we are seeing a glacier melt in the heart of Antarctica.
		Antarctica, the fifth largest continent, is almost completely covered with ice.
		About 90% of the world's glacial ice is in Antarctica.
		So, and it goes on, but the bottom line is scientists now believe that one of the main glaciers in the Antarctic could be melting, and this could result shortly in the raising of sea levels by 20 feet.
	Now, you consider what that would mean.
	How far above sea level are you?
	Oh, perhaps sufficiently above sea level that it won't bother you.
	But when you consider that our coasts, both east and west and southern, virtually are at sea level, and it has, of course, become very popular to build one's residence virtually at sea level, a rise in sea levels of 20 feet would be catastrophic.
unidentified		Catastrophic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I said this earlier, and I'm going to say it again.
		I hesitate to raise the prospect of global warming, because that begins a political argument that I really don't want to get into.
		But obviously, something is occurring.
		The weather is changing.
		It is a profound change.
		Not many people seem to be arguing about that now.
		In this change, or as part of this change, it would appear as though glaciated ice everywhere is in retreat.
		In other words, melting.
		And now, let's forget the words global warming.
		Let's just say it's happening.
		I don't want to get into a political fight with anybody.
		It's happening.
		I understand the politics of all of this and how it frightens people.
		And if Al Gore says it, then automatically half the population is angry and wants to fight back and say it's such a pile of crap and Al Gore is such a pile of crap and all the rest of it.
		Fine, go ahead, have that argument.
		I don't want to have it here.
		I want to look at what actually is occurring.
		If the weather is changing, and it would certainly appear to be so, and becoming more violent, then one would assume that there is generally violent weather is as a result of heat in the atmosphere.
		Just like the storm that I just had here, the very violent thunderstorm.
		There is a great deal of heat.
		That is energy that has to go somewhere.
		It dissipates in a storm.
		Otherwise, heat can do things like melting glaciers.
		So I'm not going to say global warming.
		I'm just going to say the weather is changing.
		The ice caps appear to be melting.
		And you can ascribe it to anything you wish, but I don't think that you can deny that the process is going on.
		On a lighter note, or maybe not such a lighter note, I want to repeat for the audience now a remarkable letter that I just received, and you can take this as you will.
		Some of you will recall a man named Mel Waters from Mel's Hole.
		Mel's Hole is kind of an old story.
		It's something that we did, how long, two years ago?
		This man who had this bottomless pit up near Ellensburg, Washington.
		Well, anyway, without burdening you with that story, let me read you the following.
		It says, Hi, Art Bell.
		I was the person that rented an apartment to the Mel Waters of Mel's Hall Fame when he lived in Ellensburg.
		In payment of his deposit, he gave me an old P-38 pistol that he found on his property while turning over some soil for planting.
		The P-38 was covered with dirt, a real mess.
		I put it away, figuring it would be interesting to clean up one day.
		I have since moved away from Ellensburg, though I miss it terribly.
		A couple of weeks ago, I was unpacking the last of my boxes, and I found the dirty old P-38.
		So I cleaned it up, expecting a horribly pitted and corroded firearm.
		If nothing else, it might have had some interesting proofing marks that may have made it of some value.
		So, cleaned it up and found it was in pristine condition.
		In fact, I've seen worse-looking guns right out of the box.
		The clip in the gun still had cartridges in it.
		An examination of the gun showed it to be in working order, and I couldn't wait to take it out for a test fire.
		I did remove the cartridges and replaced them with fresh ones, 9mm.
		An odd thing about this gun, besides the pristine condition, is that there are absolutely no tool marks to be found on the gun.
		Very odd indeed.
		So, I took the gun to the range and started with a test firing.
		The gun misfired.
		At least, I thought it misfired.
		No recoil, no blast.
		I cleared the chamber, only to find that a round had been fired.
		The target I put up 15 yards away had a perfect bullseye.
		I stood there, shaking my head.
		Back to the firing line, I emptied the clip.
		No recoil, no blast.
		Absolute silence.
		All shots were bullseyes.
		This was some pretty good shooting for me.
		Though I collect guns, I can barely hit the broadside of a barn.
		In total, I went through several boxes of ammo.
		I was scoring perfectly on targets I would never dream of even hitting.
	What amazed me was that one round vaporized a watermelon, I said, about 20 feet away after the shot.
	I couldn't find a seed, mind, or bit of pulp anywhere.
	I dread to think what it would do to a human or animal.
	Clearly, I was given something amazing.
	I was both freaked out and exhilarated.
	What did I have?
	The gun revealed no proving marks.
	It looked like a standard World War II variety P-38.
	In fact, the parts are interchangeable with other P-38s that I have.
	I cannot determine what material the gun is made out of.
	I can tell you it will pass through a metal detector without detection and that it is non-magnetic.
	It will also pass through the airport X-ray.
	Don't ask me how I know this.
	The gun is solid black, but I swear, at times, it seems transparent.
	I'm not sure how such a thing could exist.
	It is, however, a World War II design.
	The old cartridges seem to have bullets made of the same material the gun is made out of.
	I don't dare fire these cartridges because I don't know what shape they're in.
	The bullets, however, I may have reloaded with new cases and charges.
	Another observation about the gun.
	After putting a couple of hundred rounds through it, it required no cleaning.
	In fact, it wasn't even warm after going through several clips rapid fire.
	I've weighed the gun unloaded on several occasions, each time it weighs differently.
	The weight seems to fluctuate almost 40% up or down.
	None of my other P-38s do this.
	The scales are accurate.
	I've not been in touch with Mel since he left the country.
	I do wish to thank him for the fine firearm he gave me.
	Mel also gave me some Nazi insignia that he found with the gun.
	Haven't been able to locate the insignia yet.
	If Mel wants to reach me, he can reach me through his son.
	He knows the number.
	Regards?
	Harold, and I've got a last name, but I withhold that at the Faxer's request.
	Interesting, huh?
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hello, hello.
	Goodbye.
	Houston, the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, this is Eric from Houston, looking to you on KTRH at 7.40 a.m. the news station.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Eric.
unidentified		Hi there.
		I wanted to make mention, I tried to get through last night about your guests last night, and a point that hadn't been made earlier.
		Now, all of you did a pretty good job at looking holes at the official Air Force report vis-à-vis the photographs that Mr. Johnson took.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But I think you're neglecting the fact that this apparently also contradicts the late Jesse Marcel, who claimed that the degree shown on the photographs were, in fact, switched and were not what he originally found.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've interviewed Jesse Marcel Jr. and he has made no such statement.
		The Major, yes, Major Marcel.
		I've not heard him say that, that it was switched.
		I've heard from other people that he did say that, but I know it only secondhand.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Just wanted to point that out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate that.
		Thank you very much.
		I think, yes, what we did last night was all we could do with physical proof.
		I think that we adequately proved that the materials that were in the photographs that we do have were both some of what they said it was, but also materials that would not be consistent with what they claimed it was.
		So we proved something very important last night and tossed the ball back to the Air Force.
		We'll see if they have anything to say.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello, Art.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, I just need to know, has your new car been burping lately?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Has it been what?
unidentified		Burping.
unidentified		Didn't you get a new Transam?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I have a Firebird Trans Am, yes.
unidentified		Is that the same one on the commercials?
unidentified		Maybe that's what happened to your geo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I love those commercials.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a couple, actually, one where it blows out a stoplight, which would be uncool because we only have one in Param.
unidentified		Oh, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the other is where it eats another car.
unidentified		That's the one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then burps.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And as far as I know, my trans has not yet eaten another car.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Though there have been times when I have sensed that it would like to have.
unidentified		Well, it might have got the geo, though.
		That could be the real thing.
		And where's your dog?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could eat up a geo in one bite, dear.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where's the dog?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where is the dog?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Outside.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you still got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I gotta go.
unidentified		Okay.
dr albert taylor ▲ ● ▼		Have a good one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Break at the bottom of the arrow.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		To talk with Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye.
		From east of the Rockies, aisle 1-800-825-5033.
		West of the Rockies, including Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico.
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		First-time callers may reach out at Area Code 702-727-1222.
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		Then, 800-893-0903.
		This is Coast to Coast again from the Kingdom of Nigh with our Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody, from Florida.
		Today, it seems the International Space Station is now going to be delayed once again.
		In addition to that, we were going to spend, the U.S. was going to spend about $17.4 billion as our part of it.
		That cost has now gone to $21 billion.
		And, of course, the Russians' share has gone up as well.
		So they're not giving us a date, but the International Space Station is now delayed once again.
		Houston, bacteria-tainted oysters from Galveston Bay have sickened about 368 people.
		Of the 368 made ill, 66 cases have been confirmed by labs, so they're having more trouble down in Texas.
		Other news, you'll recall I told you Aetna was beginning to get active.
		Check this out: Ash belching out of Mount Aetna forced officials to close their only airport Thursday in Sicily as the volcanoes sent up plumes of smoke six miles high.
		The airport was shut down late Wednesday, remained closed until Thursday afternoon, while workers cleared runways of a quarter-inch layer of ash that had made the tarmac slick.
		Ten flights were either canceled or delayed for hours or diverted to the only other main airport in Palermo.
		So there you go, folks.
		In a moment, we'll be back and continue open lines through the balance of the show.
		Don't forget, Gary North, tomorrow night, Y2K.
		Oh, here's another interesting story, just before we proceed, from Vancouver, British Columbia.
		Check this out.
		British Columbia residents may not always be able to see the hundreds of whales living in nearby waters, but thanks to a new radio station, they can hear them.
		Beginning this week, Vancouver Island residents can tune in to Orca FM for the world's first 24-hour-a-day broadcast of whale sounds picked up by a microphone placed on the seabed 120 miles northwest of Vancouver.
		The microphone is near Robson Bight, right off of Vancouver Island's northeastern coast, and can apparently pick up the sounds of whales within a nine-mile radius.
		Scientists say the area is home to about 750 killer whales in various groups.
		The station is broadcasting the whale sounds around Robson Byte, that's B-I-G-H-T, and the transmission is also being picked up from a landline at the Vancouver Aquarium and broadcast there.
		The aquarium says it hopes to eventually make the noises available on the internet.
		All right.
		Whale researcher John Ford organized the project, says the whale sounds range from excited sounds indicating they're getting food, all the way to squeaks and squawks indicating they are either socializing or mating.
		Huh.
		West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what that was, but it was not discernible.
		East of, maybe it was a whale.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yeah, this is Tom.
		This is A. Art Bell Show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would be your best guess?
		Yes.
		You're right.
unidentified		Are you on a five-second delay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		More like seven.
unidentified		Okay, should I turn my radio down?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think?
		Yes.
		You're right again.
unidentified		Okay, I got it down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Tom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're on the way.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Let me know when I'm on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on.
unidentified		Okay.
		Art?
		Yes.
		How you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine, sir.
unidentified		This is Tom from Cincinnati.
		Okay, Tom.
		One thing I wanted to ask you, that gold you're talking about, I didn't get that number on that completely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh, gold?
unidentified		Yeah, that you advertise.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean North American Trading?
unidentified		Yeah, per ounce.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Um, okay, hold on a minute, and I'll get it for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got a pencil, Tom?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You ready to write?
unidentified		Ready.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's see, am I ready to tell you about it?
		Okay, here we go.
		It's 1-800-1-800-359.
unidentified		359.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		4255.
unidentified		4255.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got it, Tom?
unidentified		Got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
unidentified		What I want to ask you about another thing, too.
		Yes.
		Roswell deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Nobody's ever proved that they've crashed or anything like that, but there is a lot of people that was in the Pentagon at the time.
		And that took a lot of troops, division almost, to hide that.
		How could they hide something like that when it happened in 47?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No sweat, Tom.
		They could do it easily.
		As a matter of fact, when aircraft around here crash, they hide it very easily.
		We've had a number of aircraft that have crashed here in the Nevada desert where they do an awful lot of flying.
		I've seen it.
		Up on the side of mountains and what have you.
		And I can assure you, the entire area is quickly cordoned off.
		Traffic is stopped.
		Military vehicles and vans arrive.
		There is a cleanup accomplished without civilians being able to see at all what is going on.
		And when they want to move something, something even fairly large, they can do it at will.
		I've seen it happen, Tom.
		So if it can happen now, it could happen then.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		I are.
		I have to tell you, your bug market crashed.
		There's no more.
		All done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know.
		I'm helping it along.
		As a matter of fact, I think everybody should sell every bit of Art Bell stock they can sell.
unidentified		You can't do anything.
unidentified		It's just not there anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you mean, what do you mean, the website?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		It can't take the traffic.
		That's the other thing.
		But there's something intrinsically wrong, I believe, with the software, because when people go up there, I tried, you know, I would tell people to go up there, and all of a sudden, with all the traffic, my name would disappear, it would go to zeros, the website would stop working and all the rest of it.
		So finally, in exasperation, I just said, go ahead and take a profit if you can get in there, sell it, and be done with it.
unidentified		But I think the whole thing is done.
unidentified		I don't think you're going to be able to get anything anymore out of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you never know.
unidentified		Nope.
unidentified		but I had to tell you that I thought that was amusing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think we crashed them.
unidentified		Yep, that's the way to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll see you later.
unidentified		All right.
		Bye-bye.
		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		It's just whatever is going on, it's sort of broken.
		So we have removed the link, and anybody who is able to get in there who holds Art Bell stock, I'm telling you, sell, sell, sell if you're able to get in.
		First time call our line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning to you.
unidentified		I cannot believe that I finally got you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So many people say that.
unidentified		Well, I'm living in a cow pasture out in North Alabama.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that kind of uncomfortable?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you're sharing it with the cows?
unidentified		Honey, I love it.
		They're the only neighbors I have.
		I see.
		But I want to know if you have any material or any information about Salton Sea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not particularly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you curious about?
unidentified		Well, I like Salton Sea.
		You know, where it is a little bit down south from Palm Springs.
		Yes.
		And there is a large body of water that was a village from the Colorado River several years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And?
unidentified		And there's been a lot of interesting stuff going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And of course, it's Yeah, I think so.
unidentified		I think so.
unidentified		And there's been a lot of political activity since what was his name, Bono.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sonny Bono.
unidentified		Sonny Bono died, and Newt Gingrich decided to take up a banner and clean the area up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I heard about that.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I'd like to go and live there if I thought it was a good place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean you'd leave your cows?
unidentified		I would leave my cows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know what to tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess you're a free soul, and so if you want to go live in the Salton Sea...
unidentified		Well, I was hoping to do that.
		Well, I don't think Newt's going to know what I want to know.
		But I didn't know if you all had done any research about what was happening.
		It's close to Barstow, where there are the you can see the writings in the ground from the guy, you know, that kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I go through Barstow all the time.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
unidentified		And so do you have anybody I can look up besides Newt?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not a soul, no.
		I can tell you this, that there is an area of anomalous activity around Barstow and Baker.
		I've called it the Baker Triangle, actually, for some time.
		And inexplicably, cars in the Baker area break down.
		In fact, you can see it every time you drive through the area on I-15.
		Broken down cars.
unidentified		Where?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the Baker area.
		Sort of in a triangle in the Baker area.
		Inexplicably, they stop.
		You'll see hoods raised and people trying to wave down for help and all the rest of it.
		It's a strange area.
		So that I do know.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		This is Rich in Fort Worth, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Rich.
unidentified		Talk radio 570, KLIF.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cliff?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, indeed.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I thought Alex Collier was just fascinating the other night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad you enjoyed him.
unidentified		I sure would like to see if he would come back sometime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure he will.
unidentified		But I have a question.
unidentified		I'm a real big fan of Ed Bames and his remote viewing work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		He was on your show last time.
unidentified		He predicted some kind of solar event happening during this month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and we are certainly having a lot of solar activity this month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, I think I read a warning last night.
unidentified		Okay, I must have missed that.
unidentified		I was just wondering if you had heard anything about anything happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Answer is yes.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		As a matter of fact, there have been a couple of cases of ejecta from the sun, and that is different than a solar flare.
		Ejecta is when a, for lack of a better phrase, a blob of the sun literally breaks off and heads toward the planet.
		And it does, of course, hit in that form, but we were hit by radiation, great amounts of it, a couple of times already this month.
		It's obviously very active.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes.
		Good morning, Art.
		Good morning.
		Kelly, calling from Oregon, Collander Falls, Oregon.
		Yes, sir.
		I just wanted to call and let you know I listened to your show the other night speaking with, I don't remember the individual's name, about having contacts with extraterrestrials.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And a lot of the information I heard on there seemed to correlate to a show I listened to quite a while ago.
		I don't remember the individual's name on that one either.
		He wrote a book called Above Black.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And there was another individual, too, on a different show talking about a shift in the magnetic field of the Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I kind of noticed a correlation of all those things on a different level between those three guests of yours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there were a lot of people saying very similar things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not just those three, but I could probably give you up to about two dozen names of people who say those sorts of things.
unidentified		Probably could, but I'm kind of curious if they, you know, do any kind of networking between themselves to see if there's something a little bit deeper there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Next time I have somebody on, we'll ask.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Oh, one last thing, too, Art, for your lead-in music.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Have you ever heard of an album called Children of the Sun?
		No.
		No, it's by an artist called Billy Thorpe.
		Album came out in the late 1970s.
		If you get a chance to find it, it's a very, very good album.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I I appreciate the information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Never heard of Billy Thorpe either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line or on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art, how's it going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going.
unidentified		I can't believe I got through.
unidentified		I know you hear that often.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Frequently, yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Something rather interesting happened a couple of weeks ago.
		I was listening to Rush's show, and he was talking about Y2K.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And all of a sudden, right before he got to what he was talking about, it was like his whole system shut down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I heard about that.
unidentified		That was absolutely hilarious.
unidentified		Also, I also believe that might be what's happening to your website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My website?
unidentified		Well, and your junk bonds?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Junk bonds?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you talking about the rogue market?
unidentified		Yeah, the rogue market.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First of all, the rogue market is not my website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My website is www.artbell.com.
unidentified		Right.
		Okay.
		Well, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm kind of like you, nocturnal.
unidentified		I've been working nights for too many years.
		Believe me.
		But I'm really excited to talk to you.
		It's been a while.
		I've been listening to you for a lot of years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Baton Rouge, WJBL.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
unidentified		Yeah, when are you going to pick up WL out of New Orleans?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that would be something to shoot for, huh?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, we're actually getting to the point where the program has almost reached saturation.
		In other words, we're in every single large market in the U.S. You can't go no further.
		And we're kind of filling in holes hither and yon.
		But that would be a wonderful, classic radio station to add to the network.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		What are you at now, like 405 or?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something like 404, 405, something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, look, I really enjoy your show and keep letting people know what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend, thank you.
		Nighttime is a little bit different.
		With reference to AM radio stations, particularly those who have talk formats, there are, you've got to recall, fewer stations that are on the air, about half, I would guess, at night than there are during the day.
		So there are more stations, obviously, during the day that you could get.
		Now, the difference is, at night, when you get a station, they generally go much farther.
		The clear channel, big, powerful 50 KW stations, why, they just at night go and go and go and go.
		So it's a two-edged sword.
		On the one side, you don't have as many stations on at night.
		But on the other side of the coin, those that are on cover a great deal of geography.
		So Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello.
		Can you hear me?
		Do you want me to pick up a different phone?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you just fine.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		This is the second time I called you, and the first time I was totally fooled by your voice, but now I actually know it's you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you are.
unidentified		I'm going, if you got about, I know you don't have a lot of time because we're near the top of the hour, but I was going to give you a little lesson in why coyotes aren't afraid of you at night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Coyotes?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		A little biological science 101.
		When you, nocturnal animals, as opposed to diurnal animals, have cones and rods in the back of their eye.
		We all have both.
		Nocturnal animals have more rods.
		Diurnal animals or daytime animals have more cones.
		Have you ever noticed that you put a flashlight to a nocturnal animal, you'll get a reflection off of the eye?
		Similar to what we get from the few rods that we have from a flashlight camera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
unidentified		Okay.
		When you look at them at night, even in minimal light, because you have cones in the back of your eyes, they'll get no reflection off your eyes.
		Therefore, they don't think and know that they know you can't see them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They think you can't see them.
unidentified		That's exactly right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But if you have night vision, you can see them.
unidentified		That's right, but they don't perceive it.
unidentified		They don't see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Okay, so that's why, I mean, I remember, gosh, it must have been four to six months ago, you were asking, I wonder why this is.
unidentified		They don't see two eyes looking back at them when you're looking at them with...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is really interesting, though.
		They simply assume that you cannot see them, so they go about their business as though you are not there.
		And it's really interesting because you can sit out there with night vision and you can see, it's amazing what goes on at night.
unidentified		Yes.
		And interestingly enough, since they also have few cones in the back of their eye, a cone is just exactly what it sounds like, a cone-shaped receptor on the back surface of their eyeball.
		Which, now if you can envision this, a rod is going to allow a lot of light to hit the end of the surface.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, you are right.
		I'm now out of time.
		I've got to go.
unidentified		Oh, gosh.
		All right.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See you later.
		Thank you.
		Your message did get across, and you're absolutely correct.
		I'm Mark Bell.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast A.M. The devil went down to Georgia.
		He was looking for a solar steel.
		He was in a bank, but he was way behind.
		He was willing to make a deal.
		But he came across this young man sewing on a fiddle and playing it hot.
		And the devil jumped up on a hat for something and said, boy, let me tell you what.
		I guess you didn't know it, but I'm a fiddle player, too.
		And if you'd care to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you.
		Now, you played pretty good fiddle, boy, but give the devil a due.
		I'll put a fiddle of gold against your soul because I think I'm better than you.
		The boy said, my name's Johnny, and it might be a sin, but I'll take your bet you're going to regret, because I'm the best you've ever been.
		The boy said, my name's Johnny, and I'll take your bet you're going to regret, because I'm the best you've ever been.
		You know I need your love, you've got my hold over me.
		As long as I've got your love, you know that I'll never leave.
		When I wanted you to share my life, I had no doubt in my mind.
		I had to say you, oh my, right down the line.
		I know how much I lean on you, only you can see.
		Change it to the doubt and shoot, I'll bet them all for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just going to play some of this, I think.
unidentified		I'm going to listen to the words.
		I'm just going to listen to the words.
		I'm just going to listen to the words.
		I'm telling you everything I can never leave before.
		I'm just going to listen to the words.
		Yeah, this is my way.
		I'm telling you everything I'm loving you.
		Oh, I'm telling you, you can't believe in me.
		Through my darkest night.
		Arkbell in the Kingdom of Night on the wildcard line at Area Code 702-727-1295.
		That's area code 702-727-1295.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of a pretty song, isn't it?
		I'm Arkbell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
		Good morning.
		Open Lines.
		Here's somebody who writes, it's them from Tucson.
		Hey, Art, I have a chupacabra for sale.
		I'm looking for a buyer.
		I'm asking a firm 50 grand.
		I'll be listening to your program for a response.
		I'll pass you shortly with my contact info.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not me.
		I don't think I'd pay to get a chupacabra.
		I don't think so.
		I have an interesting comment about the electronics that are self-changing.
		I watched a show on the Learning Channel on robotics.
		It showed small robots that would learn from its mistakes.
		Then the next generation of robots would learn or know about the mistakes that the last generation made without having to make them itself.
		So in other words, they're better than us because we don't do that, do we?
		We continue to make the same mistakes and go through the same learning curves again and again.
		They call this robotic evolution.
		Cho said the robotics could have hundreds of generations in just a few weeks or even months.
		There are also some robots that have circuits that can reroute around damaged areas.
		Great.
		One day we're going to wake up and there will have been a coup d'etat and we will be run by a machine.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Bell, this is Fan calling from Montana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I have a few comments to say about the P-38.
		Okay.
		I just got a degree in physics, and I can tell you right now that he is breaking, he's basically just broke the law of conservation of energy and momentum.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that's why he wrote the letter.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I'll buy him a Montana steak dinner if he can actually show me that the bullet does not recoil, that when the gun is fired, that it does not recoil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think there's more than a Montana steak dinner at stake here.
		Well, we've got a good prime rib up here.
		Well, it's got to be also good.
		I mean, a gun like this has got to be worth big bucks.
unidentified		Well, and also the obviously you must be able to control the velocity of the bullet because 9mm break the speed of sound.
unidentified		And I would think that, you know, obviously it must be subsonic then if you don't hear the.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have answers for none of this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just read the letter.
unidentified		Well, it is mystifying.
		And also about the circuits.
		The only thing that I could ever think about would be the fundamental part of a chip is the transistor.
		And maybe the PN junctions are somehow modified.
		Sometimes if you overload, put too high of a voltage across the PN junctions, some of the ions that actually give the polarity positive and negative can change.
		But basically, the transistor is ruined.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you heard the facts I just read.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you had a machine capable of doing what apparently they have now and you had generations upon generations which learned, eventually you could end up with something that would take over.
unidentified		Yeah, I guess that would be software driven because it would just go ahead and say, okay, this circuit is the voltage is not correct here, so it reroutes it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
unidentified		I don't know.
		I think that I'm kind of skeptic about things like that.
		But there's definitely some technology out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's definitely good to be skeptical, but I'm hearing this from an awful lot of sources now, and I can imagine that one day a machine would take a look around the world and it would say, hmm, pollution, melting ice caps, deteriorating environment, too many people.
		What should we do?
		And then begin to act.
		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, we'll see.
		I think that that's all going to be driven through mankind.
		That's all going to be information that we put in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Either that or mankind is going to be driven through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate your call, sir.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		What do you suppose a dispassionate, logically driven, emotionless machine would decide about our present state of affairs, huh?
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Um yeah.
		Uh I'm calling.
		Yeah, hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you see now you're providing a wonderful example of how confusing it is when you leave your radio on for the entire audience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're still listening to it, aren't you?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I'm turning it off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have turned it off, right?
unidentified		It's off.
		That is good.
		My name is Molly, and I'm calling from Lincoln, Nebraska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to the program.
unidentified		Thank you.
		In fact, the caller you had earlier, Paul from Lincoln?
		Yes.
		That's my brother.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		Yes, and he's called you several times before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is your first call?
unidentified		This is my first call.
		Okay.
		I have a comment and or question about out-of-body travel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that would be?
unidentified		I have an elderly friend.
		He's a very good friend of mine.
		He's now 70 years old and he's had several out-of-body experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And one of the things he's told me that can happen when he is having an out-of-body experience is that I could be sitting in my apartment and he, during his out-of-body experience, could come floating through the ceiling and float down into my apartment and sit on my couch.
		And I would be able to see him just as if he was really there.
		Have you ever?
		No, he's never done that.
		I've waited for the day, kind of...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've never heard of a person seeing somebody traveling in the ethereal plane or anything else.
unidentified		I don't know whether or not I could communicate with him, but I would see him physically as if he were there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		Well, I find that hard to believe.
		I appreciate the call, but I find that very difficult to believe.
		Unless you want to believe that ghosts are such manifestations, which are, of course, occasionally sort of seen.
		That could be so.
		I can't relate to the experience that you're talking about because the one I had was so very different, and I have explained it the best way I can.
		But it had nothing to do with traveling into other rooms or anything of that sort.
		It was amazing.
unidentified		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there is a comment on our public school system.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, this is Saylor Colla from Dayton, Ohio.
		Hello.
		And I'm listening to you on 1410 WINT.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		Just a comment about the ice melting in the Antarctic.
		Yes.
		Puts me in the mind of New Orleans and how it's below sea level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		That would just sort of kind of flood them out, now, wouldn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sort of kinda, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then, of course, there's the East Coast and the West Coast with all of these cities and homes built virtually right at the beach level.
unidentified		Yeah, I know.
unidentified		I used to look forward a long time ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another 20 feet of water would probably ruin their day.
unidentified		Yeah, if you want to see dates on a beach, you'd have to go scuba diving, I think.
		That's exactly it.
		I just want to say you've got a great show and keep up a good job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you very much.
		And we will avoid, again, the phrase, the politically explosive phrase, global warming.
		It is simply happening.
		Call it whatever you want.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Nard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		I'm up here in Sacramento, and I've called you before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now you're calling me again.
unidentified		Yeah, and I wanted to tell you my tablet came back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What tablet?
unidentified		I took it and I bought a machine from Mercury, and my tablet disappeared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea what you're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mercury, what's Mercury?
unidentified		Mercury, Nevada, up there.
unidentified		At Area 51.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bought a machine from Mercury?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where do they sell machines in Mercury?
unidentified		They sell all kinds of stuff out of there.
		Where?
		At the Bissile site.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, they don't.
unidentified		Yes, they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Name the store.
unidentified		You went through the third gate and the storage area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't go into the gate up there.
unidentified		Oh, yes, you do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, you don't.
unidentified		Oh, yes, you do.
unidentified		Last one clearance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, you mean if you're in the military or something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's entirely different.
unidentified		But no, you can buy stuff from them.
unidentified		They do have open auctions to the public.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alien artifacts and all, huh?
unidentified		No, I didn't see no alien artifacts.
		No?
		No, I was after electrical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Electrical what?
unidentified		Twitches, switch gear and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably back-engineered.
unidentified		No.
unidentified		No, it's it's a legitimate business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess they do have auctions and they sell off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, when you're buying something, you're talking about the mercury testite, right?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where they test atomic devices, correct?
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or used to.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I were you, I'd take a Geiger counter along with me.
unidentified		I said that after you told me the last time to check it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before filling up your truck with a bunch of uh extraneous mercury testite stuff.
unidentified		Um I bought a r a complete radar unit out of there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But no, but uh what what do you what are you doing with a radar unit?
		I tore it apart.
		You tore it apart?
		For components.
unidentified		I see.
		All right.
		That was the whole general idea of the business.
		I had another market that they could be used in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people do that, buy surplus and sell it.
unidentified		And then I called you and told you I'd bought this machine that I'd whipped 240, 3 Phase 2, and my tablet disappeared.
unidentified		And they wanted me to send you a picture of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right, and you never did.
unidentified		I don't know.
		They might take it away from me.
		I got a letter from them, and they wanted serial numbers and stuff off of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now you've had it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what happens when the men in black show up?
unidentified		They haven't showed up yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course not.
		I mean, you're here on the phone.
		But when they do, that's it.
unidentified		But if they let me keep it, I'll take a picture of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you better do it quick then.
		I'll look for it now.
		When you say you're going to send a photograph, you better do it.
		Tablet disappeared.
		Better send it before you disappear.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sir.
unidentified		Yes, good morning.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm reasonably well.
unidentified		Reasonably well.
		Well, that's good news.
		I'm glad to hear it.
		This is John calling from Tupelo, Mississippi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tupelo, Mississippi.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		Right in between one below and three below.
		I'm glad I got through.
		I ran across your show by accident.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's how most people find me.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I never was a talk radio listener.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're like an ongoing accident in the nights.
unidentified		Yeah, that's well, accident's the wrong word to use.
unidentified		I pull a gas tanker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
unidentified		Yeah, so just on the definitely, definitely, at all costs.
		But I wanted to ask you, it seems to me, and I'm sure you've noticed that it's your business, that more and more people, anywhere you go, any walk of life, they seem to be more in tune with themselves, so to speak, and what's going on around.
		Everybody seems to be a little bit more in tune with each other.
		And I know you've talked about this with early of your guests on that type of subject.
		And I was wondering about your opinion on that.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll give it to you.
		I would say that some people are becoming more spiritual, which is, I know sounds new agey, but more aware of themselves and their surroundings and their connection to their environment.
		And a lot of other people are going in the precise other direction.
		And ultimately, how we make out as a human race is going to depend, I think, on how many join the good side.
		And if you were to press me to the wall and ask me which way it's going right now, I wouldn't give you a very positive answer.
		All right, back to the lines.
		Wildcard line, you are on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you have hum.
unidentified		Yeah, there's art.
		Yeah, I got heck of a hum.
		I don't know what I can do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it too much?
		It is.
		Yeah, it's too much.
unidentified		Okay, well, let me switch to another phone.
unidentified		I'll try and reach you later then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about that?
		All right, I'll look forward to that.
		Thank you.
		Yeah, that was terrible.
		That's terrible.
		Boy, I wonder.
		Well, it's probably a portable phone.
		You said the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Marine Yard, how's it going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going.
unidentified		Yes, Bishop 74 again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I had an interesting question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
unidentified		Alright, if God is 7, the devil is 6, and man is 5, well who are 4, 3, 2, and 1?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		Well, I don't have the answer for it either, but if anyone would like to take a guess, I'm more than willing to hear it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, maybe somebody will endeavor to take a guess.
unidentified		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright.
		We'll see First of all, I don't know that God and the devil and so forth and so occupy those numbers, so I wouldn't endeavor to know what would occupy the lower numbers, but we're probably zeros.
		You know, all of us walking around down here, zeros.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I know a couple of minuses, too.
		And I know a minus two and a half.
		Maybe a minus three.
unidentified		one minus four
		Looking out for a place to go There's a place to write music There's a place to sing You come to love the same music
		Hey, I know.
		hey
		Mario plays
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Used to the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello?
		Hello.
		How you doing?
		How am I doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing okay.
unidentified		Oh, boy, I can't believe I got something.
		I sound like everybody else.
		That was Mark from Wichita.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Mark.
unidentified		They said something on a different show like before yours comes off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Anybody got going north tomorrow?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do, yes.
unidentified		I think I was saying that in Pennsylvania, they said they solved the Y2K problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have they now?
unidentified		That's what I heard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did they do it?
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		He said he had called the computer managing place up there and they said that it was so that they had like 98% of their computers fixed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All over Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean in the entire state?
unidentified		That's what I heard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's remarkable.
unidentified		He gave a number.
		I didn't quite get it.
		Uh-huh.
		He said something about the computer managing place in Pennsylvania, I guess, Philadelphia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		And I thought that was kind of interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's very interesting, yes.
unidentified		So I just pass that on, maybe check it out with Gary North coming on tomorrow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, we'll check it out.
		Thank you.
		If anybody knows how they have fixed the computers or if they have in Pennsylvania, why we'd of course like to know about it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Archel.
		Yes.
		My name is Ruth, calling from Santa Barbara.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Ruth.
unidentified		Listening to you on AM90, KSB.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		I've been trying to meet you for several days, especially regarding the Russian attempt with the second moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I was just really shocked when I heard that, but not necessarily surprised, because I dreamed that about six weeks ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did?
unidentified		And it was so strange.
		I mentioned it to my older son, and he said, well, that's really bizarre, Mom.
		You know, you have some really interesting dreams, but this is the most interesting yet.
		And I live about a mile from the beach in Santa Barbara.
		And in the dream, I dreamed that I was awakened and went out into the street where all the neighbors were.
		And there was this huge, bright moon in the sky.
		And everyone was saying, what happened to the moon?
		What's wrong?
		It looks like it's going to fall right into the street.
		And someone said, no, that's the second moon.
		And then someone else pointed out our own moon, you know, much dimmer and smaller in another direction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess if you can dream it, it can come true.
unidentified		But the interesting thing is that we were all talking that we would have to leave because there was water coming down the street.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, what does that have to do with the moon?
unidentified		Well, we were talking about it in the dream.
		We were out in the street saying, you know, is it a tsunami or what is it?
		And someone else said, no, it has to do with the tide.
		Huh.
		And had to do, now I don't know, you know, I know the moon's gravitational pull and its cycles into the mass of the trend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but that's because it has mass.
		Yes, I know.
		But you see, the things the Russians would put up would have no mass to speak of at all.
		So they wouldn't have anything.
		That's right.
unidentified		I'm aware of that, but I thought it was kind of interesting, the connection between the rising water and the evacuation and the second moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then on the other hand, maybe you see we're wrong, and maybe your dream is right, and maybe it is not gravitational pull, and everything we have thought is wrong, and when they put more light up there, why, we'll all get flooded out by oceans that will be washing ashore, not only from the new light, but from the melting glaciers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		This is Alan from Augusta on WGAC, 580 a.m.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I've been checking up on the rogue market.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It seems there's about three people that keep trying to drive the prices back up.
unidentified		I've noticed that every time that it stops working, it's after they've been hitting it really heavy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's been a mess, hasn't it?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I just finished dumping all of mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good for you.
		And that's what I recommend everybody do until they manage to get it fixed.
		We're giving up on it.
		What I'm trying to do is to get people who have bought my stock as a result of what I said to recover their money and get out until they fix it.
unidentified		Yeah, that's what I did, basically.
unidentified		I actually waited, watching for the three people who keep hitting it every night to start hitting real big, and then I sold it off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad that you got out safely.
unidentified		Yeah, I still came up out of the head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good for you.
		You take care, and good luck, and that's what I advise everybody.
		If you're holding any of my stock on the rogue market, if you're able to get in at all, cash in, take your money, and run.
		And one of these days they'll get it fixed, and then we'll play again.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Leonard.
unidentified		I'm calling from Tucson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Leonard.
unidentified		Yeah, I have a few past comments, and I have a theory on a conspiracy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Okay.
		First of all, Sam Neal.
		Everybody knows he's the Antichrist.
		Who?
		Sam Neal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know who that is.
unidentified		No, the actor?
unidentified		Remember the Damien movies?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		And you and I have some things in common.
		I'm a registered libertarian.
		I had been for 13 years.
		And I had a 428 carbojet Mark 1.
		I heard you mention it one night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And I also had an insulation tank back in the mid-70s.
		And you were talking about flying.
		There's a foolproof aircraft that anyone can fly with only about a half hour of ruin, you know, just taking the course.
		And you can fly solo your first flight, and that's a powered parachute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A power.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've seen them.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And a friend of mine is a dealer, and they pay over 100,000 flights, and there's only been two fatalities.
		And both of those were due to pilot error, and another guy had made his own aircraft.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, wait a minute.
		Only two fatalities.
		Now, that kind of ruins the completely.
unidentified		Well, that's true.
		That's true.
		But I like to talk to you about those on another program.
		But about a week or so ago, you had a gentleman on there talking about the military of the old Soviet Union being Russia now, and how their military establishment is still going strong.
		And now this thing that has a thing with these huge mirrors that they are using to create daylight in dark areas.
		What are the things you use mirrors for that you can use?
		Remember the movie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what I think?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that we could use some of our Star Wars technology that I know damn well we have developed and break them and give the Russians seven years of bad luck for each one we knock down.
unidentified		But you know, they can use this also to direct labor beams.
unidentified		And they're doing it right over the Antarctic to shine light on Siberia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great idea.
		Let's do that and just melt them and raise sea levels 20 feet.
		Great idea.
		By the way, John writes the following to me.
		Art, with regard to our being run by a machine, we all are already.
		It is called government.
		Wildguard line, you're on ear.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		How are you done?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Darren.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Darren, turn your radio off.
unidentified		Okay.
		Darren calling from Reno?
		Yes.
		I just wanted to make a comment.
		The guy that called earlier about the out-of-body experience and possibly seeing somebody sitting next to him on his couch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		Whitley Streeber in his book, Transformation.
		Yes.
		In his experiences that he was talking about, that he was doing astral protection and whatever, that he actually appeared, and you can ask him about this, hopefully, if you get him on again, that he appeared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to have Whitley on Monday.
unidentified		Really?
		Ask him about this.
		In his book, I remember reading that he said that he appeared and saw a lady friend of his that lived near him somewhere, and she actually came to him just by chance and told him about it.
		And so he actually was saying in his book that he saw, or that she saw him.
		She told him she saw him as a misty form.
		And, you know, so I thought that was kind of interesting.
		And also, I just wanted to ask you about, you know, you sell the Viagra or advertise it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, we don't.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We sell the alternative to Viagra, the natural alternative to Viagra.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Today I heard that there was this a friend of mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time callers, area 702-727-1222.
		I just bleeped that out.
		I'm sorry.
		I don't allow Viagra jokes to be told on the show.
unidentified		Okay, I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're just gross.
unidentified		Okay.
		Okay.
		A little concern.
		All right.
		Ask Whitley about that.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Take care.
		You know, Whitley's going to be on the program Monday.
		Yeah, no Viagra jokes.
		Generally, they're just pretty gross, and so I don't allow them here.
		Go to somebody else's show and tell them there.
		Just gross.
		One night we may talk about Viagra, but we'll have a serious talk about it.
		And or other things that claim to do the same thing as one of our sponsors does.
		Wester the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, this is Ed in Alaska.
		Hello, Ed.
		Yeah, I was thinking, you know, if the Russians put those mirrors up there, then you're going to have to change your advertisement from we own the knife to the Russians own the knife.
		Yeah, you're right.
		But I was wondering what you thought about the missile testing today, yesterday.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, the late word I got was that it did not complete its trajectory.
		Now, the early word right after the test was that it had successfully been tested.
		Late word was the trajectory was not successfully completed, so it was not a successful test.
unidentified		So Israel doesn't have to be quite as upset then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not yet.
		I mean, Iran, for example, would have to be sure that the missile would make it from Iran to Israel.
		Because, of course, if it more or less went straight up and back down again, you can see the problem.
unidentified		Oh, I see.
		Okay, well, thanks.
		Appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
		Take care.
		Or even if it, you know, did take a ballistic course of some sort but didn't make it to Israel and came back down in Iran, the Iranian people probably would be very unhappy.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, sir.
unidentified		Down in Phoenix.
		Yes.
		I just wanted to let you know, tell that woman in Alabama that the salt and sea smells worse than that cow pasture she's in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but being used to the cows, maybe the salt and sea would be just, you know, all right.
unidentified		Yeah, and besides that, it's less than 20 feet below sea level.
		Well, that's something she should keep in mind.
		Hey, I just wanted to welcome you to the wonderful world of people who have experienced OBE.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is something.
unidentified		I know how exhilarating it is, and I'm really happy for you.
unidentified		I've wanted to tell you before not to be afraid, but it doesn't do any good, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not a bit.
unidentified		You've got to experience it before you really know what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This was completely spontaneous, unexpected, unplanned for.
		I won't say unwelcome.
		It was very welcome.
		But boy, what a surprise.
		Holy mackerel.
unidentified		Yeah.
		And there is no evil over there.
		You know, this fellow that said the only evil is in the minds of men, physically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I certainly didn't feel any evil.
unidentified		I've never felt any that was over there.
unidentified		And I'm going to ask that fellow a question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		After that was evil, I'll take some more.
unidentified		Yeah, damn right.
unidentified		Well, he answered one of my questions when he said that he always felt there was somebody with him, like a guide or something like that, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't feel that.
unidentified		Well, you weren't there very long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I wasn't.
unidentified		Yeah, but it'll get better, I'll tell you that.
		And I do believe that you're experiencing the space or dimension where what we call the dead are because I've been there.
		And what will really blow your mind is when they ask you to bring a message back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would blow my mind.
unidentified		Yeah.
		But it's a very wonderful thing, and I'm so happy for you.
		And still love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, my friends.
unidentified		Hang in there, buddy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		It was a wonderful thing.
		There was nothing negative about it.
unidentified		It was, well, I'm going to stop talking about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was just remarkable.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		This is Phil from Central Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		Just had a couple quick items, if I could run by you, on Linda Howe's report the other night about the TWA 800 flight.
		Yes.
		She said something about Wallace Island copying a transient.
		That's correct.
unidentified		Okay, and then I guess the civilian place couldn't verify it.
unidentified		Of course, they didn't have the equipment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		I'm just curious if there's any way she can get a hold of their printout or whatever, because you know as well as I do, being a ham, that everything has a spectral signature.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we ought to be able, if they could get her hands on that, I would think we can have a lot of things.
		Well, I thought there was a fair amount of evidence, not only that they definitely recorded the transient, you heard the report, but that aircraft that were also in the vicinity ended up reporting electrical difficulties.
		Wasn't that a military plane that was having a problem?
		That goes a P3, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, see, I think they may have been testing something, the P3 was supposed to be there, and maybe something went off course, you know, and maybe something disrupted the TWA-800.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything's possible.
unidentified		Hey, one more quick thing, and I know I'm running out of time, on UFOs and folding space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I get so tired of hearing these scientists say, no, you can't go faster in light, so they can't be traveling all the way to here, to Earth.
unidentified		You know folding space is possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know that the best theoretical minds in America say that it probably is possible.
unidentified		Like Michio Kaku.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		Well, the reason I brought that up was, you know, when you get some of these guys who report on Area 51 being in the, you know, in the saucers, they say, well, they've got no food there.
		Yep.
		They've got no water there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They've got no conveniences there.
unidentified		Well, let me ask you something.
unidentified		If you could fold space and go to Australia to go to your favorite Delhi and get there in two minutes, would you take water?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you take food?
		Take a bathroom with you?
		That's right.
		Listen, if only that could be.
		You have no idea how tired I am of spending time on 747s by 8 or 9 or 10 or 11 hours, or if it's South Africa, 18 hours in one direction and 24 hours on the other.
		That ruins your day.
		Well, I'm just waiting for a little folding.
		I'm all for it.
unidentified		I think it makes you appreciate it, too.
unidentified		I know that eight-hour flight for you to Paris must have made you really appreciate it when you got there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man, I smoked a cigarette.
		And listen, I'm smoking one now.
		Tell everybody good night.
unidentified		Hey, thanks, Art.
unidentified		You've got a great show, and we're here in Central Illinois, W-T-A-Z.

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