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July 23, 1998 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Albert Taylor - Out of Body Travel

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	From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, or good morning, as the case may be, across all these many prolific time zones, stretching from the Tahitian and Hawaiian islands out west, eastward, to the Caribbean south, into South America, north, all the way to the pole, and worldwide on the Internet, this is Close to Close AM, and I'm Art Bell.
	Howdy, partner.
	We're going to be in open lines this hour.
	And boy do I have some news for you.
	Next hour, we're going to be joined by Albert Taylor, the author of Soul Traveler.
	And I have a really special reason for having Al on.
	He's been with us, oh I don't know, a half dozen times over the years.
	And he is probably, in my opinion, The world's leading authority on this thing called soul travel.
	And as you know, I've had a significant thing occur to me in Paris, and so I jumped on Al Taylor real quickly, and we'll talk about that in the next hour.
	This hour!
	Well, let me see.
	Spokesman Mike McCurry is going.
	White House spokesman, out.
	His deputy will take over, Joe Lockhart.
	I've kind of enjoyed McCreary.
	McCreary has a kind of a dry sense of humor, which, as you know, I enjoy, because I kind of have one myself, and so I enjoy one.
	Sometimes people tend to mistake people who have a dry sense of humor for For all kinds of things, you know, they take it the wrong way.
	I've always had that.
	So I'm sorry to see McCurry go.
	I've kind of enjoyed him.
	Pope John Paul II tightened Vatican control over national bishops' conferences today, making it harder, in some cases, for them to speak out on divisive issues such as homosexuality.
	The Pope's new rules require bishops' conferences To reach unanimous agreement before issuing declarations on issues of doctrine.
	If they cannot, they must get approval from the Vatican.
	Very interesting.
	The U.S.
	stock market taking a big hit, 196 points, a down, and that would be the fourth straight day of a downturn for the market.
	Alan Greenspan has made some remarks that may be contributing to it.
	Earnings reports contributing to it.
	And it's hard to know exactly where we are.
	It may not be a good day tomorrow on the market.
	That's what some of the analysts were saying.
	That is not what I'm saying.
	We'll wait and see.
	So that kind of sums up the traditional news.
	Now, a quickening item.
	And if this is not a quickening item, I don't know what it is.
	The following is from Reuters News Service.
	A melting Antarctic glacier could lead to the collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, causing global sea levels to rise about 20 feet.
	Now, that's a hell of a paragraph when you think about it.
	What do you think would happen if global sea levels rose 20 feet?
	Radar images from satellite observations between 1992 and 96 of Pine Island Glacier in West Antarctica showed the glacier, in fact, is shrinking.
	Eric Rignot, a radar scientist at the Jet Propulsion Lab in California, who led the study, said, quote, it is important Because it could lead to a collapse of the West Antarctic ice sheet.
	He said we are seeing a glacier melt in the heart of Antarctica.
	Antarctica, the fifth largest continent, is almost completely covered with ice now.
	About 90% of the world's glacial ice is in Antarctica.
	But scientists say this data from remote and stormy West Antarctica could be the first real evidence that some of these massive glaciers might actually be rapidly retreating.
	Now, what would it mean if the Western WAIS did collapse?
	It would push sea levels up throughout the world.
	With regions near sea level experiencing more flooding and faster erosion, some of them obviously would disappear.
	Now, I don't know how far above sea level you live, but we're talking about sea levels
	worldwide raising 20 feet.
	There is no example of anything in West Antarctica that is retreating that fast, said the scientist.
	This is the farthest south this phenomena has been observed, ever.
	So, take that as you will, ladies and gentlemen.
	I don't know whether you want to call it global warming.
	When you say the words global warming, it conjures up an immediate political battle.
	So look, call it what you want.
	But a lot of things are obvious and are occurring.
	The weather is changing.
	Not too many arguments about that anymore.
	The ice caps appear to be melting.
	Not very many scientific arguments about that anymore.
	And now a new shelf is melting.
	So I will... I don't mind.
	I'll avoid calling it global warming.
	Call it whatever the hell you want to call it.
	But it's happening.
	So, quickening?
	It's as good a word as any.
	Here is an interesting little message from Australia.
	I am located at Mackay, Queensland, Australia.
	It reads, 149 degrees 10 minutes and 30 seconds east and 21 degrees 8 minutes south.
	I have a liquid-filled compass mounted on my office wall.
	It was set up to reverse read north about 18 months ago, as I was aware of magnetic disturbances about six years ago.
	The time is now 0245 a.m.
	Eastern, and the compass is showing a north magnetic deviation of five degrees west.
	I hadn't looked at it for days, but your post, responding to another person, prompted me to send this message.
	This message was received by Jim Birkland, who said, Hey Art, on receiving this message, I checked my own liquid-filled marine compass set at due north today, and guess what?
	It reads five degrees northeast.
	You just might ask some of your great audience for more confirmation of this unusual magnetic anomaly.
	Jim Birkland.
	Jim Birkland, the geologist.
	Well, let me tell you, this is not the first time, as many of you know, that we have noted a magnetic anomaly.
	Magnetic north drifting.
	And so those of you who have stable compasses, I would appreciate it if you would take a look-see and report to me what you find.
	This would be the fourth or fifth time that I've had reliable information of a magnetic shift.
	They've been occurring rather frequently over the last 18 months.
	The following is really intriguing.
	And I'm going to read it to you as is, and you can take it as you will.
	Hi, Art Bell.
	I was... This is a fax, by the way.
	It came in about ten minutes before air time.
	Hi, Art Bell.
	I was the person that rented an apartment to the Mel Waters of Mel's Hole fame when he lived in Ellensburg.
	In payment of his deposit, he gave me an old P-38 pistol That he found on his property while turning over some soil for planting.
	The P-38 was covered with dirt and a real mess.
	I put it away, figuring it'd be interesting to clean up.
	I have since moved away from Ellensburg, though I miss it terribly.
	A couple of weeks ago, I was unpacking the last of my boxes and found the dirty old P-38.
	So I cleaned it up, expecting a horribly pitted and corroded firearm.
	If nothing else, it might have some interesting proofing marks that may make it of some value.
	Cleaned it up, and guess what?
	It was in pristine condition.
	I've seen worse looking guns right out of the box.
	The clip in the gun still had cartridges in it.
	An examination of the gun showed it to be working in working order, and I couldn't wait to take it out for a test fire.
	I did remove the cartridges and replace them with fresh ones.
	Nine millimeter.
	An odd thing about this gun, besides the pristine condition is, there are absolutely no tool marks to be found on the gun.
	Very odd, indeed.
	I took the gun to the range and started with a test firing.
	The gun misfired.
	At least I thought it misfired.
	No recoil.
	No blast.
	I cleared the chamber only to find that a round had indeed been fired.
	The target I put up 15 yards away had a perfect bullseye.
	I just stood there shaking my head.
	Back to the firing line, I emptied the clip.
	No recoil.
	No blast.
	Absolute silence.
	All shots were bullseyes.
	This was some pretty good shooting for me.
	Though I collect guns, I can barely hit the broad side of a barn.
	In total, I went through several boxes of ammo.
	I was scoring perfectly on targets that I would never dream of even hitting.
	What amazed me was that one round vaporized a watermelon that I set about 20 feet away.
	After the shot, I couldn't find a seed, rind, or bit of pulp anywhere.
	I dread to think what it would do to a human or animal.
	Clearly, I was given something amazing.
	I was both freaked out and exhilarated.
	What do I have?
	The gun revealed no proving marks.
	It looked like a standard World War II variety P38.
	In fact, the parts are interchangeable with other P38s that I have.
	I cannot determine what material the gun is made of.
	I can tell you, it will pass through a metal detector without detection, and it is non-magnetic.
	It will also pass through the airport... I'm sorry, the airport x-ray.
	Don't ask me how I know this.
	The gun is solid black, but I swear at times, it seems transparent.
	I'm not sure how such a thing could exist.
	It is, however, a World War II design.
	The old cartridges seem to have bullets made of the same material that the gun is made of.
	I don't dare fire these cartridges because I don't know what shape they're in.
	The bullets, however, I have reloaded with new cases and charges.
	One other observation about the gun After putting a couple of hundred rounds through it, it required no cleaning.
	In fact, it wasn't even warm after going through several clips' rapid fire.
	Now I've weighed the gun, unloaded on several occasions.
	Each time, it weighs differently.
	The weight seems to fluctuate almost 40% up or down.
	None of my other P38s do this.
	The scales are accurate.
	I have not been in touch with Mel since he left the country.
	I do wish to thank him for the fine firearm he gave me.
	Mel also gave me some Nazi insignia that he found with the gun.
	I haven't been able to locate the insignia yet.
	If Mel wants to reach me, he can reach me through his son.
	He knows the number.
	Regards, Harold, and at his request I withhold his last name.
	Now is that about the damnedest story you've ever heard, or what?
	Harold, obviously I would enjoy interviewing you.
	It seems like everything connected to Mel Waters is strange and bizarre in some way, so I am not surprised by this, but I am certainly intrigued.
	West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Good morning!
	Hello there, Art.
	This is Fritz.
	Hi, Fritz.
	How are you?
	I enjoyed the disclosure yesterday.
	Excellent piece of work yesterday with Dr. James Johnson and Ron Regeer.
	Thank you very much.
	I hope it tosses the ball back to the Air Force.
	I wanted to say, Colonel Haynes, you've got to have a red face because I'm sure it's going to reach the Pentagon because the doctor Yes, I thought yesterday's program was very important.
	the picture that's pretty strong we get them inches by inches we get in close uh... i agree
	for those factors in the panic and think you're fools you going
	the way out are just keep going all right my friend i thank you uh... yes i thought yesterday's program was
	very important i think that uh... without doubt
	we proved that what was there
	was at the very least a combination all a weather balloon of some sort some type
	and things that had nothing at all to do with the weather balloon and i think
	that fact requires an explanation from the air force
	Thanks.
	And they are welcome to examine the photographs.
	They are genuine.
	We had the man here on the air who took them ever so long ago, a half century ago.
	He affirms these are the photographs.
	We had an expert on Who affirms some of the material in those photographs.
	It definitely is not part of any balloon.
	So, come on!
	Where does that leave us?
	Wes for the Rockies, you're on air, hi.
	Yeah, this is Chuck calling from AOH 780 Reno.
	Hi there, Chuck.
	You're gonna have to yell at us, you're not too loud.
	Okay, I just wondered whether you had heard anything about a computer mutation.
	No.
	About the day that you got back from Paris, they have a segment on ABC called Perspective on the radio.
	Yes.
	And Hugh Downs was reporting that microprocessors have been found with two or three extra diodes.
	You're kidding.
	Nope.
	You mean Processors.
	Microprocessors.
	Microprocessors mutating themselves.
	Well, the interesting thing about it was the report that, you know, they were extraneous to the design, but the microprocessors wouldn't work without them.
	Well, you know, that's kind of like a human being ending up with one little extra piece of DNA.
	Yeah, something like that.
	Oh, my God.
	All right.
	Thank you very much.
	Would anybody with any information on that story, beyond what he just said, please contact me.
	Could a microprocessor modify itself?
	Maybe.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Coast to Coast AM.
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	From the Kingdom of Nye, this is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
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	Now again, here's Art.
	Computer microprocessors?
	Modifying themselves?
	That's all I had to say about that.
	Mel Waters' gun?
	That's all I have to say about that.
	Mel Waters' gun?
	Good lord.
	This is already beginning to be a very interesting evening, isn't it?
	All right.
	Back to the lines.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	That would be me.
	How you doing?
	Hey.
	The other night you were talking about the simulated moon things, huh?
	The Russians?
	Yes, the Russians are launching indeed.
	I got a message today from Linda Moulton Howe Uh, and she confirms this is occurring.
	The November 9th date for the first test launch is up in the air.
	They don't know for sure that it will launch then, but within days... Uh-huh.
	Hey, I got, uh, you know, uh, I understand you're, uh, Hammers.
	Ham Radio.
	We do not call ourselves Hammers, sir.
	Well, what do you do?
	What do you call yourselves?
	Amateur Radio Operators, or Hams, but not Hammers.
	Hammers are something the Defense Department buys for great sums of money.
	What about all the stimulated moon bounce you get off them satellites up there in orbit?
	Them satellites?
	Well, you don't get... First of all, moon bounce is bouncing a signal off the moon, not a satellite.
	Well, if you're doing it with the moon, what is the moon but a satellite?
	It is a satellite of the Earth, yes.
	Well, it's pretty big though.
	I'm just being facetious.
	No, not entirely.
	So you know not what you say.
	It is possible.
	I do know what I say.
	It is possible that some balance might be achieved by a large mirror in space.
	Some scatter, sure.
	What I really called for was your knowledge of radios, okay?
	Okay.
	I have a question for you.
	I have an ATS-909, right?
	Right.
	Great radio.
	I know.
	I've had it for quite some time.
	Um, how does it, um, rank alongside the Sanyo 55?
	Are you familiar with that one?
	Um, no, I'm not.
	Sanyo?
	Not the Sanyo, but, uh, yeah, the Sony.
	Sony, excuse me.
	Oh, Sony!
	55, yeah.
	Um... You know?
	The 909 is in every way superior to any Sony that I have yet tested, so... Have you tested the, um, 55 model?
	I'm not, I don't, I don't, I'm not familiar with a 55 model.
	Uh-huh.
	Hmm.
	It's, uh, the same, same configuration basically as the Syngeon, but, uh, it's at, uh, almost $200 more.
	I was just curious, but it doesn't have half the features.
	Um, I have a feeling you may be referring to another model.
	Would you do me a favor and check out that model number and get back to me, because I think you might be off a little.
	Are you sure?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I think so.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Thank you, Art.
	All right, thank you.
	But I have done extensive... Sony is a damn good radio.
	No question about that.
	They make good radios.
	But the Sanjeev 909, right now, beats them into the ground.
	My observation about Sony is that it has too much sensitivity.
	And when you add any sort of antenna, it goes into overload.
	The 909 does not have that problem.
	So that is my observation, but make no mistake, they make good radios.
	I would never say otherwise.
	International Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi Art, it's Jessie Vavenby.
	Hi there.
	I was just... had an observation about that guy with that P-38 that... say the facts?
	What a story, huh?
	BS.
	I'll continue to say BS until somebody produces the gun.
	For examination by a manufacturer designer.
	Well, I would presume after writing this that he would be prepared to do that.
	I'd like to see it because I don't know a lot about firearms, but I know some.
	And I've shot a lot of rounds for a lot of different pistols and revolvers.
	So have I. And I can't see a firearm having that kind of impact on an ordinary round.
	Well, hang on, what can I tell you?
	You know as much as I know.
	Well, I shot a few rounds through P38 and they have a bit of a bite.
	I hear you.
	This man, obviously, is well aware of it.
	He's got other P38s.
	Some of it did ring true, like that thing about not being able to hit the broadside of a barn nut.
	I think that pretty well stands for most collectors.
	That's why we get to be collectors.
	But the thing is, I'd really like For this guy to come up with a firearm for examination.
	Well, I think there are two steps.
	Step one would be to interview this gentleman on the air.
	And step two would be then to get some photographs and have an examination of the gun.
	Yeah, sure.
	I'm with you.
	He'll probably come up saying that he's reluctant to do it because he doesn't want him to steal the design or whatever, blah, blah, blah.
	Well, I think I might be too if I had this gun.
	It's kind of like, it's kind of like if you had some really interesting mental power and you could read people's minds, you would have to think about a hundred times before you ever told somebody that.
	Why?
	Because you're liable to end up on some government table that got dissected piece by piece.
	Yeah, duct taped down and taken pieces off.
	You got it, duct taped down.
	And touched in places where you don't want to be touched.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	All right.
	That's neat.
	You got Greg from the 9550KTRS in St.
	Louis.
	Oh, yes.
	Where they're setting everyone's agenda around a water cooler with programs from Art Bell, Coast to Coast.
	And I was just wondering, I sent a certified package to you a few weeks ago.
	On a three day, uh, express mail.
	And, uh, uh, it curiously took about 10 days to, uh, get the card back.
	It was received.
	I was just wondering if you received that.
	Well, I would imagine I did.
	What was it?
	I was talking about, uh, the, uh, story of the, uh, German U-boat, U-909, and, uh, Mingle's, uh, trip from, uh, Bremerhaven to, uh, Montevideo.
	Oh, yes.
	And I'm sure it must have been in England, because that's where he wound up, in Uruguay.
	Well, many of them, of course, did.
	And I'm certain that he came over to work with the U.S.
	scientists on his twin research.
	Yes.
	And I talked about cloning, and I mentioned the Philadelphia Experiment, which I've learned a lot more about from your program.
	And a few other things, including some ideas I gave to the late Senator Barry Goldwater, who unfortunately died right about the same time I sent this package.
	What is the upshot of all this?
	I was wondering if anyone would be Interested in knowing the details of this plan I gave to Senator Goldwater when I went to Washington in 74.
	I don't know.
	Depends on what the plan is.
	Well, I called it Project Grand Slam and it was designed... Project what?
	Project Grand Slam.
	Grand Slam.
	And what was Grand Slam?
	It was a multi-faceted program to bring down the Iron Curtain To liberate the overrun countries, and... Well, I hate to break this to you, but the Iron Curtain has already come down.
	Yes, I know.
	That's because of ideas in this plan that was initiated when Neal Ford was President.
	Alright, sir.
	Well, I appreciate the call, and it sounds like a great idea to me, but it's a little like submitting a plan to prevent the assassination of President Kennedy to President Clinton.
	Uh, East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	All right.
	Yes.
	Yes, uh, in reference to your program last night, the Russian one.
	Yes.
	Uh, I'm in the... Wait a minute, Russian?
	I didn't do a Russian program last night.
	Uh, the big mirror they're putting up.
	Oh, I see, yes.
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah.
	I'm afraid they're putting up hundreds of them, sir.
	Right.
	Anyway, there was an interesting piece in this New Daily Star on the 22nd.
	I had it, and I tried to get through to you last night, but I couldn't get on.
	About that subject?
	Yes.
	Yes, well, you know, it's very interesting.
	When I aired it, and I would say I was the first in the country to air it, everybody sent me mail and said, you are such a liar, there's no such thing.
	And now, of course, it's showing up in newspapers all over the country.
	Yeah, well, this was out yesterday.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Apparently, this here, what's the name of it now?
	No, no, no.
	Znamaya, is it?
	Energia?
	Znamaya.
	Oh, you mean this?
	Yeah, the 2.5 first satellite that's going to be launched in or around, on or around the 9th of November.
	What about it?
	Okay.
	Later on in there, this thing is two columns and it's six inches long.
	Anyway, the first Vamnia II.
	So, what I gather from that, the 2.5 must be bigger.
	Yes, you are correct, sir.
	And it will radiate about ten times the brightness of a full moon.
	And this is still only a test shot.
	The real program lays down a line a little bit.
	And it would produce hundreds of satellites.
	Each one, I repeat, each one capable of producing 100 times the brightness of a full moon.
	You gotta lay back a little bit and think about that.
	That's a lot of light.
	Just what the Antarctic needs.
	West of the Rockies, you're on air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art?
	Yes?
	Calling from Como Country, Seattle.
	Yes, yes ma'am.
	Uh, I got, have two things.
	One funny, and the other just on those moons.
	Well, Seattle is one of the areas to be affected by the first shot.
	Well, get somebody up there with a paintball gun.
	Uh, somebody up where?
	Send them out in a spacecraft with a paintball gun and squirt each mirror.
	I see, and uh...
	Pain in black, huh?
	Yes.
	I've got an animal story for you.
	Okay.
	My granddaughter, our grandsons live with me and they have a poodle.
	And the poodle likes to swing on swings.
	We have an old-fashioned lawn swing in the backyard and my son-in-law was swinging on it and then he came in the house and came back out.
	There's the poodle sitting on the swing, swinging himself.
	My daughter went down to the park with him one day And he pulled the leash over by the swings, so she stuck him in the kitty swings, and he's just in heaven-heaven.
	I wonder if anybody else has a dog that likes to swing.
	I've never heard of that before.
	You would think a dog would kind of get ill.
	Well, she said somebody else came along with their dog, and they said, oh, do dogs like to swing?
	And she said, I don't know, but this one does.
	They put their dog in, and their dog freaked out.
	But Louie loves to swing.
	Well, there are animals that love to do weird things.
	I, thank you, I saw him.
	Some monkeys the other day water skiing.
	There's two monkeys water skiing.
	And then, as a grand finale, one of the monkeys was pulled in and drove the boat while the
	other monkey water skied.
	East of the Rockies, you're on air.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	I'd like to comment on the Russian moon.
	Yes.
	Um, this would cause mass hysteria and confusion.
	And... Well, it would upset the, uh, Scadian rhythms of, uh, just about every living thing you can imagine.
	Yeah.
	Including me.
	And everyone else.
	How dare they attempt to convert my nighttime show to a daytime show?
	I'm not gonna stand for it.
	That would be insane.
	You shouldn't.
	No.
	Well, I'll enjoy listening to your show.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Atlanta.
	Atlanta?
	W-G-S-T.
	Alright, well I thank you for the call, and I guess the southern latitudes, at least in the initial stages of this, don't have anything to worry about.
	But if you're up north, be prepared for light.
	Now let's see, if they were to do this in November, for example in Anchorage or Fairbanks, where Normally, it is very dark.
	Well, you guys are gonna get a real treat.
	You're gonna get sudden light.
	See, uh, in Fairbanks, by November 9th, I would guess most of the day would be darkness.
	Most of the night, uh, all of the night would be darkness, and the majority of the day as well.
	And so it would be a very dramatic appearance indeed.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Uh, hello, Art.
	Yes.
	Mr. Dash.
	My dash is just spiffy.
	Great, great.
	This is Eric, I'm calling from Central California.
	Yes, Eric.
	Do you remember some time back, a guy gave his iguana CPR?
	Yeah, I do.
	I just wanted to let you know that since that time, I've come to realize that the, I guess it's the American Red Cross now, gives CPR lessons to pet owners on how to revive your pet.
	And I thought that was... Well, look, you know, I thought about it, and of course, when you hear about it dispassionately, giving an iguana a mouth to beak or whatever, it sounds horrible.
	But if it's your pet, for example, one of my cats, I would do it.
	Wouldn't you?
	Oh, I would too.
	Certainly, especially if it was one of my kids.
	You know, if it wasn't one of my kids' pets.
	Especially.
	Uh, listen, I have a question.
	Uh, if... Have you heard of Roger Penrose?
	I've heard the name, yes.
	Mm-hmm.
	He's the... the Rouse... Rouse Ball, uh, Professor of Mathematics at Oxford.
	Yes, mm-hmm.
	And, uh, when he was a child, he... he came up with a... a construction called the... the Penrose Triangle.
	The Penrose Triangle?
	The Penrose Triangle, yes.
	Okay.
	And, uh, M.C.
	Escher, the Dutch artist, are you familiar with him?
	Uh, no, and I don't have time to become familiar with him because we're coming up on the top of the hour.
	I appreciate the call.
	By the way, he began the call by saying, how's your dash?
	And if you've ever looked at a tombstone, you'll notice it gives the name, and a year, and the dash, and then the year of death.
	The dash refers to that period of life.
	As in now.
	How's your dance?
	We'll be right back.
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	It is, and there really is some interesting news going on.
	I've got a story here about a gun that you just wouldn't believe.
	Somebody called in the last half hour, And said that they had just received news, actually ran on ABC, that some microprocessor chips had been noticed to modify themselves of late.
	And I'm digging for information on that one too.
	Coming up in just a few moments is Albert Taylor, Dr. Al Taylor.
	And of course he has a book called Soul Traveler, and a very Very, very unique, and I'm going to try and find some words for it.
	I had a hell of a thing happen to me in Paris, and I'm going to talk about it with Al in a moment.
	Now, Al's book is not available right now.
	How about that?
	Having a guest on who doesn't even have a book available right now.
	It's all sold out.
	But it will be coming out big time, along with a big, I don't know, like 15-city tour or something.
	In August or September, we'll ask Al about that.
	But because of what happened to me in Paris, I wanted to have Al on for just a little while tonight to kind of roll through what happened to me.
	It was the most unusual experience of my life.
	There is no question about it.
	Now, in just a moment, you are about to meet a truly fascinating man who introduced me, I guess, in a way, to the reality of Travel outside the body, or the prospect of it.
	And for so long, I intellectualized about it, and listened to stories about it, and heard from so many of you about it, and then, all of a sudden, with no warning whatsoever, it happened to me.
	All right, aeronautical engineer scientist Albert Taylor spent almost two decades evaluating satellite system designs, and multiple government classified programs, including the Star Wars and F-117A stealth fighter programs at major aerospace companies in Southern California.
	The knowledge he gained there eventually led to his involvement in NASA's International Space Station program.
	And by the way, there is an announcement tonight indicating the space station, the International Space Station again, is going to be delayed.
	Albert has also developed two prototype computers.
	and taught art and logistics engineering.
	Real hands-on engineering, huh?
	Al Taylor is currently a metaphysical researcher, lecturer, and artist.
	He is an active member of the International Association of Near-Deaf Studies, a participant in the Monroe Institute's Voyagers program, and volunteers his time at a Los Angeles hospital hospice program.
	Here is Albert Taylor.
	Albert, welcome back to the program.
	Thank you, Art.
	It's a pleasure to be here.
	It's great to have you.
	Let's see, there are a couple of things that I wish to ask you about.
	Good, I'm excited.
	Just before we get into the real meat of where we're going here, there is a very, very interesting... I know that you did work on satellites, and there's a very interesting story.
	I don't know if you heard me talking about it on the air or not, but it seems the Russians have some pretty Interesting plans.
	They're going to launch November 9th, or within days of that date, a reflector into space that will reflect back to Earth about 10 times the light of a full moon.
	Now, that will be a test that will last just a few days.
	It is then going to be followed by This is Energia, a big consortium, Energia.
	Then they are going to launch hundreds of satellites, each one capable of reflecting back to Earth 100 times the light of a full moon.
	Now, how does that idea strike you?
	Well, I don't think it's that big a deal that they're making it out to be.
	The space station, when it's built, You will be able to see it crossing over the sky with the naked eye.
	Right.
	I don't know.
	It depends on what the goal is.
	I haven't heard much about it.
	The goal is to turn night into day.
	For what purpose?
	Just to say I can do it?
	Well, of course they have in some parts of Russia very long winter nights.
	And I suppose for productivity, for To eliminate the need for street lights, it said in the story, for all kinds of reasons.
	But to imagine now a satellite capable of reflecting back to Earth light 100 times the brightness of the full moon, that's quite a bit of light.
	It's not the sun, but it's a hell of a lot of light.
	Yeah.
	And if you have hundreds of them, then you're talking about some pretty serious light.
	It'll be like Alaska or something.
	Six months of sunlight.
	Exactly.
	I don't know, maybe they want to confuse the buyers so they don't know when to open or close.
	I don't know.
	And the International Space Station, by the way, has once again been delayed for financial reasons, I suppose.
	Sad to hear, because it doesn't look like Mirror is going to last very much longer.
	Well, they spent three times the budget that was originally projected for the space station.
	It's gone through numerous redesigns.
	I think when I was there, we were in our fourth redesign, and that was because of Clinton coming into office.
	So I'm really saddened by that, because the first Element launch should have been off, like, last year, maybe a year ago.
	And as a taxpayer and a space enthusiast, it really, that's very, very saddening and disappointing.
	To give you some idea, here it is.
	Just cleared the wires.
	Cape Canaveral.
	The International Space Station.
	It slipped from 1992 to 4.
	Then 95 to 96 to 97 to 98.
	Now it looks like NASA's space station is delayed again.
	Not only that, the solid space station will cost more than promised because of all the setbacks and changes, at least
	$3.6 billion more, for now a whopping 21% increase.
	Right. It's very sad.
	I think they're beginning to rethink the whole thing, and I just wonder if we're going to go to space.
	It's very sad. I don't know. We've been using the Russian Mir space station, and that thing is really in bad shape.
	We really need an international space station, not just for different types of experiments and things that we're going
	to develop, but also as kind of a transit base to the moon and to Mars.
	It's very sad.
	All right. Now, on to some things.
	From the hard sciences on to what I really want to talk to you about.
	What I really want to talk about.
	Alright, you and I have done, what do you figure, half a dozen shows?
	This is the sixth one.
	Sixth one.
	It all began when people would call me up on the phone and say, hey Art, something really weird is happening to me.
	I'm having this, I'm paralyzed at night, kind of in a half-sleep, half-in and half-out-of-sleep state.
	Paralyzed.
	Can't move a bone.
	Scary as hell.
	I hear a buzzing sound in my head, I guess is a way to put it.
	And, of course, they led me to you.
	And you have a book called Soul Traveler, and you maintain that our souls, our essence, may, under certain circumstances, actually leave our body.
	Correct?
	Correct.
	100%.
	Well I have listened academically and been fascinated by the whole prospect and I've heard caller after caller say they have done it.
	And of course I have never done it.
	I've had the initial stages a couple of times of this buzzing and humming and feeling of being paralyzed but I always jerk back.
	And then I went on vacation to Paris Took my wife to Paris.
	We love that city, despite what some people think of the French.
	It's a beautiful city, very romantic.
	And there we were in this very nice hotel.
	And I can't tell you whether I was asleep or not.
	I'm really not sure as I think back on it now.
	Well, your body was asleep.
	Okay.
	But I've had plenty of flying dreams.
	I love flying and I've had flying dreams and when I wake up, I know that I have just had a flying dream.
	There is no question in my mind.
	I've never said to myself, my God, I was out of my body.
	I've just said to myself, wow, what a cool dream.
	Right.
	You know, I knew it was a dream.
	Right.
	But here I was laying there and this is going to be hard.
	Albert, because it's hard to come up with the words to impart the profound feeling that I had, but all at once, with no notice whatsoever, no buzzing, no humming, no feeling of being paralyzed, Albert, I shot up like a rocket!
	I mean, straight up!
	There was absolutely, even though there was tremendous Acceleration.
	There was no feeling of, no feeling of acceleration.
	In other words, you know, when you accelerate, you expect to be pushed back in your seat, or you've seen the photographs of the astronauts with their lips beginning to curl back as the acceleration presses on them.
	Right.
	No physical feeling of acceleration whatsoever.
	But the acceleration was tremendous!
	Right.
	Albert, I was above Paris, I was looking down on Paris, I was looking down on the Eiffel Tower, I was looking down on the hotel in the downtown section, but that was all secondary.
	What I really felt, and this is where words begin to fail me, I felt this
	of this incredibly profound joy.
	Joy is not the right word.
	Rapture.
	Right.
	A feeling of rapture.
	I mean just a wondrous feeling and it so surprised me and it shocked me so much that I snapped right back.
	Yeah.
	And so I mean I woke up my wife I woke up, Ramona, and I said, My God!
	Poor Ramona!
	You wouldn't believe what just happened!
	Yeah, but you're right, poor Ramona!
	I said, You wouldn't believe what just happened to me!
	And she's going, Huh?
	And I'm sort of laying this out for her, and even then, it was hard, I couldn't produce the words, I said, Honey, it was so incredible, so amazing, that I came right back to tell you!
	I don't know what happened to me, Albert.
	I don't know what happened to me, but I know that it was no dream.
	It was no flying dream.
	I can assure you this was something in a whole new realm.
	Right.
	That's what I've been talking about, Art, for so very long.
	No notice.
	Right.
	No notice.
	You just had a spontaneous out of body.
	You don't necessarily have to experience all the buzzing and the vibration and the heaviness
	and the shortness of breath and all that.
	Sometimes you can transition that so quickly that you just accelerate to extreme distances.
	You know the wonderful thing about this whole thing, Art, is that since you've experienced
	this, like I said before, you've gone from a belief or trying to understand it to an
	actual knowing.
	It doesn't matter what anyone else says to you ever again in life, you can't look at it differently.
	You will look at it this way forever.
	And the most wonderful thing about the whole experience, Art, is that's as dead as you're ever going to get.
	That's as dead as you're ever going to get.
	That's what it feels like to be dead.
	If that's what it feels like and it was a wonderful experience, then that should take a little bit of the fear out of death.
	I've always said sleep is a little slice of death.
	I think it's wonderful, Art, to talk about it for so very long.
	I think we've been talking about this for almost two years now.
	That's right.
	And to actually, this is what I've been telling people, just because you haven't had one in your life doesn't mean you will never have one.
	There are certain things, situations that set up just right that a person can have an autobiographical experience.
	And if you have that, that is such a wonderful thing because you truly know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are spirit.
	You're more than your physical body.
	No question about it.
	No question about it.
	Now, I can't know for sure That what you say is so that in other words that I did this while I'm alive.
	Now I don't know what lies beyond the barrier of death.
	I have no way of knowing for sure but I do know that this happened to me and I do know there is no question about it.
	My spirit, my essence was absolutely flat out of my body.
	It was very short or at least At least it seemed extremely short to me, and there's no real reference of time.
	I do remember seeing the physical things below me, but they were absolutely secondary to this immense joy that I was having, this immense feeling of, oh God, what's the right word?
	Well, you visited home for a brief period of time.
	That's what it's like to go home.
	That's our natural state.
	We forget that in the physical form.
	So that's what you experience and it's a wonderful thing.
	It's equivalent of almost having a near-death experience without actually going through the trauma.
	And there's more.
	You just touched the tip of the iceberg.
	There's a lot more to it than that.
	And if you imagine doing that, I've been doing it since I was five years old.
	I just didn't know what it was until about seven to eight years ago.
	And since then I've been experimenting with it and trying different things and flying here and having encounters, and that's what's changed my perspective on who and what we are on this planet.
	Maybe a better word would be ecstasy.
	I mean, it was so astoundingly wonderful that there was a letdown when I got back.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, there was a surprise and a joy in it having happened, but there was a letdown when I got back in the sense that, well, I want to go back there again.
	Yeah.
	It's kind of like, you know, Batman and the Riot out here.
	You stand in line for like, you know, 30 minutes and the riot only lasts a minute.
	It's an exciting thing, but man, it's over way too quick.
	Now, are most out-of-body experiences fast?
	No, they vary.
	It all depends on the individual.
	I've been out for three hours at one time, and so it just depends on the individual.
	How do you measure time?
	Well, I know the time I went to bed, and as soon as I return, it's not like I return and my body's sleeping, I return, reconnect, and sit up and look back at the clock.
	And that's what I documented in my book, because the thing about this whole experience, Art, is that people ask me about proving it.
	But you know what?
	I think the best proof is having the individual, like yourself, have the experience.
	That's it.
	Oh, look, there's no question about my experience.
	Hold on, Al, we're at the bottom of the hour.
	Yes, I absolutely had it.
	Never before.
	I wonder if ever again.
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	Now again, here's Art Bell.
	Hey, hey, hey.
	Good morning, everybody.
	Albert Taylor is here.
	His book, Soul Traveler.
	You can't get it right now.
	It's sold out, but it'll be out soon, big time.
	Now, we'll get back to him in a moment.
	All right.
	Here's an obvious question, Al, for you.
	When I'm working, when I'm doing the program as I am now, I have, by necessity, an extremely structured life.
	In other words, I'm on the air at a certain time, I've got to devote five hours to the program, X number of hours to preparing for the program, And business during the day, and I sleep in two segments, one in the morning, one in the afternoon.
	It's a very structured day.
	It has to be that way.
	Now, and it's not that I mind, it's just the way it is.
	Right.
	And so I've never had this experience.
	And so here I go off on vacation, other side of the world, and suddenly my entire schedule has changed.
	Right.
	I'm no longer under any of the pressures that I was under.
	I'm on vacation and suddenly this incredible, astounding thing happens to me.
	The obvious question is, was it because I was in a different place?
	Was it because my life was suddenly topsy-turvy?
	Was it because all the pressures were gone?
	Why would it happen?
	It was because your sleep pattern was interrupted.
	It was different than it normally is.
	See, when you sleep a normal eight hours, you generally sleep too heavy.
	That's why when I wrote in my book, when I discovered what I call the interrupted sleep technique, I found that if I only slept for maybe four hours and I was up for a few hours and I went back to bed, which you may have done a similar thing in Paris, I found that I was able to leave the body.
	But I do that here.
	The difference is, of course, that I've got business all day long.
	It could have been a number of factors, or it could have been the lack of tension, the
	lack of preparation.
	When I tell people to do things, you don't get up and start doing all kinds of activities
	like working, preparing for a show, things like that.
	It really has a lot to do with relaxation.
	If you are having a wonderful, relaxing time there, that is a major plus.
	Oh, look, it was wonderful.
	I sat and I read Jay Krakauer's In the Thin Air about the Everest business.
	I was reading books.
	I had time to do things that I don't have time to do when I'm doing the show during the week.
	It was a completely different atmosphere.
	If only we could do it here.
	Alright, here's somebody who writes, Comment for Al Taylor.
	Caution, caution, caution, caution.
	Spontaneous OBEs are one thing.
	I've had many, and congrats on your Paris trip.
	However, both times that Al Taylor has been on extolling the pleasures of self-induced disturbed sleep for OBEs, in other words, setting your alarm, in essence, to wake you in four hours, he fails to point out the painful consequences and danger to one's physical and mental health.
	Any disturbance to stage four Deep sleep is the major contributing factor to fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome.
	Our four stages of sleep are sequential for a reason.
	This is when our bodies are supposed to be repairing and restoring cells and tissues in the joints that we use up daily, not flying around the cosmos just for fun.
	So he says it's irresponsible not to bring this up, so I am.
	Well, all I can say is that I've taught this to literally thousands and thousands and thousands of people, and I get literally from your show in the last two years hundreds of thousands of letters maybe, I don't know, so many, and not one of those people have complained about their bodies, their health degrading, having problems.
	Everyone that I've talked to, and this is people who've had near-death experiences and still have out-of-body experiences because Because of it and hundreds of other people, no one has been worse off.
	Almost all have been better off.
	So I'm just going by what I've experienced, not what I'm guessing at.
	I'd rather go and tell you what I have feedback on and what I experience myself, and here I am.
	I've been doing it all my life and I'm perfectly fine.
	I can only go by that.
	Now if it does exist, I would say even if one person wrote me today, or even if ten people wrote me today and said they were having problems, they would be in the minority out of all the hundreds of thousands of people who don't have problems.
	So I'm not saying that go out and do this.
	This is something that you have to really kind of Understand that it's a lot more than just the physical body.
	The physical body does not dictate the spirit.
	It's the other way around.
	So all the things that we can say is going to happen to the physical body, it doesn't really apply because the spirit has a lot of control over the body that we don't generally exercise.
	Okay, another note, Albert.
	I didn't notice any, or at least I don't recall any physical presence of myself.
	This was entirely I didn't see myself.
	I don't remember looking at myself.
	I don't even remember that.
	So I don't recall any physical presence.
	This was utterly a detached spiritual kind of thing that happened to me.
	Even though I was able to look down on Paris, it was very much a secondary thing.
	So you didn't experience flying in the astrobot?
	Well, that's what I was about to ask you.
	Where was I?
	Well, it sounds like if you didn't see your hands, your astral hands, which if you would have seen them, you would have definitely remembered them, because they look like nothing I've ever seen before.
	But if you didn't experience the astral form, then that's another positive thing, because that probably implies that you were experiencing the etheric body.
	And the etheric body is a lot different than the astral form.
	It's not necessarily humanoid.
	It's more like a pinpoint of consciousness, or even if someone, I'd say, There was nothing slow about this.
	you would be this brilliant source of light.
	So that may be what you experience.
	Usually when I have experienced, because I don't always fly or travel with the astral
	form, I found out early on that I could leave it.
	And when I've done that, that's when usually I can see the room in all directions.
	I don't see my body.
	I don't look down and see my legs.
	There's nothing there.
	So that might be what you experience.
	There was nothing slow about this.
	It was like that.
	I was just gone.
	I was up there suddenly, and I was in this state of ecstasy.
	And that's another indication, because generally when you just have an astral projection, because
	not all out-of-body experiences are astral projections.
	There's some beyond the astral plane.
	So generally when you have an astral projection, you don't necessarily get that wonderful feeling
	The wonderful feeling comes when you get closer back to where we originated, back to our natural self.
	So that's what it sounds like you experience, which I think is fantastic.
	It's wonderful.
	You can't believe how happy that makes me.
	Well, it made me happy, too.
	I mean, that is the right word.
	It made me more than happy.
	Happy is insufficient.
	I wish that I could come up with the right words to impart to my audience how absolutely amazing this was, but the words won't come.
	There are simply not words for this.
	Now let me ask you this, Art.
	A lot of people listen to you.
	I think you have 12 million plus listeners.
	Oh yeah, a bunch of people.
	Having had this experience and having heard all the fearful condemnations and things that people have said over the last two years, and knowing all this, would you want to experience it again?
	Oh, yes.
	That's what I'm talking about.
	Absolutely, yes.
	The people who experience it aren't afraid of it.
	The people who generally have read about it, heard about it, are not necessarily experiences,
	draw upon their everyday life to insert fear into the experience.
	But the people who actually have done it find out it is the most incredible and wondrous
	thing that could ever happen to a human being.
	There was absolutely nothing fearful about it, but what there was, it was so incredibly
	shocking to me, not in any bad way, but shocking in a wonderful way, that I think that I snapped
	myself out of it I guess.
	The excitement will bring you back.
	God, it was exciting!
	That's what's so tough about it.
	You think about it.
	It's so exciting and that brings you back.
	If you expose yourself to it many, many, many times, then you become a little bit better at handling the excitement and that type of thing.
	The fact that you did it once, what I find out a lot in the people that I've taught, when you open the gate once, usually it stays open.
	So the fact that you had one once means that you can have many, many more.
	Would I need to produce circumstances similar to Paris to have another one, I wonder?
	In some cases, it depends on the individual.
	That may work for you again, but in some other cases, it could just happen spontaneously when you go to sleep at night.
	It just depends.
	So sometimes I try to do it and I achieve it, and then there are some other times that it just happens.
	So, and I've known people who didn't prepare for it, didn't have any idea, and all of a sudden they had a spontaneous, and they hadn't done anything to change their sleeping habits.
	I don't, look, I don't think that Paris had a damn thing to do with it.
	I think that what it was, was that even though I, ideally, I'm in love with my job, as you know, but it requires my constant attention, attention in just about every way you can imagine.
	Listen, by the way, we are having Lightning storms right now and my lights just went out.
	I can see my computers rebooting and everything's going crazy around here.
	So somebody up there may be listening to me.
	me. So I honestly believe that it has to do with the fact that all of my everyday
	concerns, worries, work, and buzz of the day day was gone.
	I was in an utterly relaxed mode and that's what let it happen.
	I think he hit the nail on the head.
	The thing about it Art is if you really realize and know that you are spirit, you will start
	looking at the little things that cause us stress as being insignificant.
	And when we start letting go of those things, that's when we get closer to this other part
	It's the stress and immersing ourselves in what the five senses are telling us about the physical world, the job, the mortgage, and all that stuff that keeps us at this heightened level of tension that prevents us from relaxing to get to that state.
	That sounds like what happened to you, and I think that's wonderful.
	You said this is as dead as you will ever get.
	That's it.
	That's it.
	There's nothing to fear.
	How do we know... I mean, that would be wonderful if it were true.
	How do we know that that is what happens to you?
	Well, the key word is know.
	Knowing.
	To me, knowing is experiencing, not reading, not hearing about it, not even believing me.
	I'm not trying to convince anybody.
	The way you would know would be to repeat the experience over and over again and you
	will find out.
	First of all, like I said, we just talked about the tip of the iceberg.
	When you have these experiences, all of a sudden you're going to start seeing relatives
	who've passed away, angels, guides, whatever you want to call them, non-physicals.
	There's a whole lot of things going on there and when you have these types of encounters,
	one thing that you realize and you will know beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you're not
	very different from them.
	The only difference is that you have a physical body to go back to.
	That's the best way I could say it.
	If anybody really wants to know, please try these experiences.
	Don't get locked down into the ones I wrote.
	Try as many as you can because that's the true way of finding out and actually knowing is to experience it.
	And there's tons and tons of people who have and you're one of them.
	Okay, excuse me a second.
	We have a severe lightning and thunderstorm directly Uh, overhead.
	I'm going to take a real quick break.
	I'm going to hope that, uh, uh, we keep everything together, but we're having, uh, lightning strikes, uh, uh, straight above us.
	Uh, kind of weird stuff going on here at the moment.
	So I'm going to take a quick break and be right back with you, Albert, okay?
	I like the plan.
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	Alright, we are going to try to stay on the air here.
	We have a very, very, very severe lightning storm directly above us, and we're taking hits very close to the house.
	And of course, as you know, I'm in radio, and I have towers high in the air, and it's probably inviting the lightning down.
	It's like saying, here you go, here's a place, fire away.
	And it's been doing that, and we've been getting strikes extremely close.
	But I guess we are still on the air.
	I think we're still on the air.
	My goodness, life is interesting.
	Albert, are you there?
	Yes, I am.
	Okay, we've got a little time before the top of the hour here.
	I wonder if I could mention the new book coming out in Dutton.
	You sure can.
	Because of the popularity of the first book, and I have to say that you have been a major element in that, I have recently rewritten a book for Dutton, Penguin Putnam, and the new book, Soul Traveler, will be out on August 25th.
	What I really like about this book is that it's up-to-date in comparison to the other one.
	It has my understanding of my experiences now, and what I did is I get so many letters asking me questions, and what I did is I wrote in the book and I answered a lot of those questions.
	Well, in what way is it different There were some things in the beginning that I didn't understand because it was the first time I experienced it.
	I wrote Soul Trapper almost four years ago, so I have four years of experiences since then that have answered so many questions that I posed in the first book, and I decided to write it into the book.
	Plus, I've gotten so many questions from people about experiences, and I got a chance to answer that.
	It's a very good, well-rounded book, and I think it's a great read, and I feel very, very confident about it.
	Well, I'm regarding you at this point as more or less the world's expert.
	I think Robert Monroe might have been while he was alive.
	I interviewed Robert Monroe, and his work is similar to your work, but of course he has now passed on, and I don't know of anybody, anybody who knows more about this than you do.
	Now, so your new book will be out Again, August 25th, it'll be in all the major bookstores, Barnes & Noble, Borders.
	The parent company is Dutton, but it'll be on the Penguin Putman label.
	It's got a brand new cover, which is wonderful, and I think it's packed full of wonderful answers and information.
	Do you still regard your book as a virtual instruction manual on how to do this?
	I don't think of it as that rigid.
	It's going to be a very, very good... I'm really very pleased with it.
	Do you still regard your book as a virtual instruction manual on how to do this?
	I don't think of it as that rigid. I think of it as a guide.
	It's a guideline because, like I said, I don't want people to get stuck in just what I wrote about
	and the techniques that I wrote about because everybody's different.
	These are just some techniques that seem to work for a majority of people.
	There are all kinds of other ways.
	So I would say it's a guide to help you get to where you want to get.
	Once you use some of the techniques and experiment with them a little bit, you don't have to stick with exactly how I wrote it.
	You can modify them to fit your own needs.
	Alright, well the fact of the matter is, they can't get your book right now, right?
	Yeah, they can't get the new book right now, but it will be in the stores in about a month.
	And so, in about a month, we're going to have you back on the air again and... We can talk about the movie and the television show.
	Oh yeah, do a far more extensive program.
	So here you are, and you know, I just really appreciate you coming on the air and I would like, if you're willing, I would like to take about an hour of calls, assuming the thunderstorm, lightning storm, will allow us to stay on the air here.
	It's really... That's what I live for!
	Alright, so we will do exactly that.
	Stay right there, Al.
	Albert Taylor is my guest, and we're going to do about another hour, and this next hour I am going to devote to any of you who have questions about this most remarkable, astounding, it's just...
	You know, I couldn't talk about it this way previously, but now it has happened to me.
	And I've got to tell you, I've got to tell you, it's as real as anything I experienced in my life.
	Take my word for it, when I tell you I've had flying dreams, I wake up, I know that I have had a flying dream, I know it was a dream.
	What occurred to me in Paris was no dream.
	It was absolutely real.
	And so, soul travel, or whatever it is, is absolutely real.
	And I'm sure there are many of you who know it as well.
	An hour of calls coming up next.
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	Well, good morning everybody.
	What a morning it is in more ways than one.
	My guest is Al Taylor, Dr. Al Taylor.
	He has a book called Soul Traveler.
	Rest yourself, you can't get it right now.
	You'll be able to get it in August as he begins a, I don't know, about a 15 city tour or so.
	And the reason I have Al on tonight is because it finally happened to me.
	I had a definite out-of-body experience.
	There was no warning.
	There was no humming.
	There was no paralyzation.
	Is that a word?
	I wasn't paralyzed.
	None of that.
	Just... How would I went?
	Very short, very ecstatic, hard to describe, but The most joyful feeling I've ever felt in my whole life had occurred in Paris.
	And I got hold of Al as soon as I could.
	So, I'm going to take this next hour, and we're going to take calls for Al, and any of you who have any questions about this, I assure you, very real, probably phenomenon is not the right word.
	It's probably a very natural thing.
	How could it not be?
	But it seems like a phenomenon, certainly if you've never had it.
	Lally in Washington State writes the following, Dear Art, now you know why people cultivate the OBE or out-of-body experience.
	That feeling accompanies each and every experience.
	Yes, the opportunity for exploration and growth is unlimited, but the feeling, that's worth pursuing in and of itself.
	Albert, welcome back.
	Thank you, Art.
	And Sally is exactly right.
	I just, you know, I know it sounds like I just go on and on and on about it, but it was so astounding.
	So astounding, Al.
	Well, Art, it's a big deal.
	It's a life-changing experience.
	Yes.
	You will never ever look at your life or anybody else's life ever again the same.
	So it is a big deal, and your enthusiasm is the same enthusiasm that I have for it, and I've been doing it for a long time.
	So I totally understand, and that's what's so positive about it.
	It's a wonderful thing to really, really find out that you are more than just the physical body, and that you can do these incredible things.
	So your enthusiasm is justified, 110%.
	You're absolutely correct.
	All right, here we go.
	Let's see what's out in the audience.
	And by the way, again, for my audience, we're going to do an hour of calls.
	Then we're going to have Al back when his book is close to coming out.
	August 25th.
	So, on the first-time caller line, you're on the air with Albert Taylor.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	You know, I didn't mean to call on the first-time caller line, but anyhow, this is your old friend, Randy.
	I talked to him a year ago.
	Well, Randy, if you're not a first-time caller, I can't take your call on this line.
	Well, in a sense, I am, because it's...
	The OBE, I faxed you and I was asking you about it and you couldn't answer, I guess.
	But what I'm asking is, I've done those.
	It took me 17 years to do it.
	I read about it like 17 years ago.
	I'm 34 years old now.
	And I finally started doing them within the last year or so.
	And I've always had these questions and I knew one night we'd get the answer.
	So here's the question for Mr. Taylor, Dr. Taylor.
	And that is, while the soul is out of the body, two questions in fact.
	One, can another soul that's traveling take over the body?
	And secondly, some of the people that you see, some of the other souls that are around you, are those people who are astrally traveling and don't know that they're doing it or people who may not be aware of it but they're just doing it because I've met like a couple of people that I know and one of them told me that she's dead and I don't know how to get in touch with her in the living world.
	I was wondering, is that a way of contact?
	That's very interesting.
	None of that happened to me.
	Al?
	Well, I hear that.
	Now, a lot of people ask me, that's the biggest fear, is can someone take over your body?
	And the thing is, is that, I would say, first of all, no.
	There's nothing to worry about that, because there's a lot of organization going on, the divine organization, and you have been given your body for a particular reason, and that's what we've learned here on Earth.
	That's not going to be interrupted just because you occasionally leave the body.
	That has nothing to do with it.
	There is a major plan and every one of us is a valued member of that plan.
	So the plan is more important than worrying about someone taking over your body.
	But I get that all the time.
	A lot of people ask me that.
	What was the second question Art?
	Well, he said that he met some people that were dead.
	It could be a multitude of non-physicals that you could meet.
	You could meet someone who is an astral traveler like yourself.
	You can meet someone who is astral traveling and not know it because not everybody remembers.
	I like to say that 99% of us travel out of body every night but only about 20 to 25% of us remember.
	You could meet deceased relatives You could meet non-physicals who've never incarnated on Earth.
	You can meet angelic-like creatures, if you want to call them that, angels, guides.
	And so there's a multitude of life, if you want to call it non-physical life, to meet beyond the body and higher than the astral plane.
	All right.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Albert Taylor.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Dan in Virginia.
	Yes, sir.
	Sounds like you're getting ready to have another out-of-body experience sooner than you think with that weather out there.
	A near-death experience.
	As a matter of fact, I would warn people in the Pahrump Valley and maybe Las Vegas, I don't know, to be wary of flash flooding.
	We're getting that kind of rain.
	Anyway, Dan, go ahead.
	Yeah, I've got a couple of questions.
	Dr. Taylor, ever since I was young, I had these sensations like when you're in an elevator, you know, you get that dropping feeling.
	And you know, during sleep.
	Right.
	Then I just sort of jerk.
	Right.
	Right when you're dropping off to sleep or just waking up?
	Well, I get this sensation of dropping.
	Oh yeah, I've had that.
	Right.
	That's related to it.
	Oh yeah.
	Definitely.
	I kind of got the sensation of coming back into my body and it just kind of jerks.
	Then that may very well have been that.
	And it wakes me up.
	Yeah, I've had that too.
	I've got to explain to everybody that whatever that is, it was nothing like what I had.
	I mean, not even close.
	Not even in the same universe.
	Yeah, you did that completely.
	Yeah, I really did.
	I absolutely did.
	And this acceleration that I felt, more actually, I didn't feel it.
	Like I wrote in my book, no train, plane, or or vehicle that we've made to travel as fast as I was
	traveling.
	That's it.
	And that's about it in a nutshell.
	But it was without the physical feeling of acceleration.
	Right.
	And so that's impossible to describe.
	Acceleration without the physical aspect.
	Without feeling the wind and the air and all that.
	That's exactly right.
	Right.
	And the thing is, Art, is when I started writing this book, the toughest thing I had to do
	was transfer or transfer that type of experience into an English language that can really justify
	it.
	Because it really goes beyond anything I can put into words.
	Well, that was very, very tough for me, also.
	Well, I'm glad to hear that somebody else had trouble with it.
	Oh, and still is.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Al Taylor.
	Hi.
	Yes, good morning, Art.
	This is Chad in Kill Country, Louisiana.
	Yes, sir.
	I'd like to relate an experience to Mr. Taylor that happened to me about a month ago.
	This was before I started listening to your show.
	And it was an out-of-body experience.
	And I think it was called... I had stayed up the night before.
	You know, on the computer, on the internet.
	So I ended up going to bed around 4 a.m., kind of late.
	So my dad came upstairs and was working on the computer, and I think you mentioned something about needing something to wake you up, like an alarm, setting an alarm clock to wake you up.
	I think this is what sparked this.
	So I remember I was coming to, in sort of a dream-like state, and I wasn't in, it was like my bed was made, but I wasn't in my physical body, you know, I couldn't feel the sheets around me or anything.
	And I heard you mention other people could sense it, other entities around them.
	Well, the way my bed's configured, I'm facing the door, and so, over my bed, hovering about three feet over my bed was, you know, something, it was a non-physical, but I could sense that it was evil, It was almost so powerful, you know, at first I was convinced that this was Satan himself.
	It was very, very odd, very disturbing.
	So, immediately I was like, I defy you, get out.
	And then there was like an explosion and this black entity just exploded and disappeared.
	And I woke up and then I could feel others around me and I said, we beat it.
	I was trying to say, we beat it, we beat it.
	But it was like I was paralyzed, my tongue was tied, I couldn't talk, and that's when I woke up, and this was about 6 a.m., I guess.
	Well, that's nothing like what I had.
	Well, right.
	Well, what we're talking about here is perception, and you perceived it to be evil, and if you think in that direction, everything else will quickly follow.
	You will perceive, and matter of fact, The fear that you would feel in that state will be ten times as much as the fear that you feel in the normal state.
	But what we're really talking about here is a perception, because what happened, it didn't do anything to indicate any type of evil, you just perceived it that way.
	Now the next time you have that type of experience, try to just be neutral.
	Try not to judge what it is, try not to guess, because what you're drawing on is your life here on Earth.
	I don't know how many horror movies you've seen, but I've seen tons of them.
	And I don't want to draw on any of that, and that's what I was finding out was contaminating my out-of-body experiences, and I was really scaring myself.
	But next time, try to be neutral, and then you might see something a little different unfold.
	All right.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Al Taylor and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Hello, Dr. Taylor and Mr. Bell.
	I have several questions.
	One is, in your out-of-body experience, can you go and see somebody that you know?
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh yeah, I did that a lot in the beginning.
	And, um, can you hear what's happening around you?
	I mean, can you hear?
	One hundred percent.
	And, uh, can you, like, could you go into the ocean and see what's down in the ocean?
	I mean, could you have a spotlight on, could you see lighter?
	Well, okay, now we're not talking about an optic nerve here.
	We're talking about sensory, let's say senses that we don't have available to us in the physical body.
	That's right.
	Anywhere you can focus your thoughts on, you can go.
	Anywhere.
	Underwater, outer space, the moon, anywhere you can focus your thoughts on, you can go.
	And there's one more.
	Can I go to places, can I go to people that I don't know?
	That's difficult because you have to care about them in some kind of way.
	If you're out of body, if you don't think about them, generally you're not going to go there.
	You're only going to go on what really has an emotional impact on you because that seems to be the only thing that you can remember when you're out of body anyway.
	Okay.
	Or that you even care about.
	Okay.
	Alright, thank you.
	What happened to me was totally out of my control and so an obvious question is, You went ballistic!
	How do you begin to learn to control it, either in terms of bringing it on, or what occurs once it has begun?
	Okay, the first thing I tell people, if you do have one, I say document everything you did that day.
	The time you ate, the time you went to sleep, how you felt, everything, and then try to duplicate that.
	The best you can.
	That's how I stumbled upon the Interrupted Sleep Technique is because I duplicated it and, oh my God, it was working.
	It worked like 8 out of 10 times.
	Now, the only way to become proficient in it is like riding a bike.
	You've got to get on the bike and pedal.
	The better and more and more you spin on the seat, or flying, or out of the seat, I should say, the more and more you do that, the better and better you get.
	Okay, well here's the thing, Al.
	As you know, an interrupted sleep pattern all the time, every day.
	I sleep in the morning, I sleep then again in the afternoon.
	In Paris, I continued to have that same sleep pattern.
	The only difference was that I didn't have the radio show, I didn't have the pressure every day, all of that was gone.
	I was reading books. I was lazing around. I was going over to the Eiffel Tower.
	We were visiting different places when we felt like it in Paris and lazing around the rest of the day.
	So that's the difference.
	Your attention level was reduced dramatically.
	Yeah, the sleep pattern though remained the same, interrupted.
	Yeah, but the thing here we're talking about is to achieve an altered state of consciousness.
	God.
	Many people have used meditation. During meditation you actually relax the body.
	You do deep breathing or whatever.
	Now, if you're living in a stressful life, and what many of us do here in the States, of course, that's going to keep you further and further away from actually achieving this altered state.
	But you took like a vacation from your stressful life, and all of a sudden, you popped out!
	Yes, sir!
	So, I would say that in this, even being back here, maybe you want to re-examine some of the things that cause you stress.
	and reduce them because they're really not as important as sometimes we make them out
	to be.
	Because I know this, because you had this experience and it was wonderful, I really
	feel that you would want to do it as many times as possible.
	So that's the trade-off.
	What is more important than this experience in my life?
	And I'll tell you a lot of things in my life I have just totally shrugged off because they
	really aren't as important as I thought they were.
	Here's the only part that I'm not sure about.
	I'm sure about what happened to me, Al, but I'm not sure that that's what happens when
	you die.
	How are you sure of that?
	Well, I wouldn't say that unless I had through many, many experiences encountered my dead
	aunt many times, a dead friend, and conversed with them.
	Not just, oh, there they are, but actually shared thought forms.
	Robert Monroe talked about it.
	It's not like speaking even though it's speaking and more.
	And through these thought forms, like you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you left
	the body and you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you had this experience, that's
	the same kind of knowing you get with these thought forms.
	And you start identifying with the beings that you have encounters with.
	And you get to the point where you know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that there's very little difference between you and them.
	And the only difference is, is that you have a physical body to come back to.
	So that's what I'm sharing, is because of these numerous encounters, and identifying and relating to these beings, and a host of other things, that I've really come to the understanding that that is as dead as you get.
	I talked to Daniel about it, and he totally identified with what I was saying, and he'd had a near-death experience.
	Now, I'm a member of the International Association of Near-Death Studies.
	I've literally talked to the largest group in the U.S.
	IONS group, which is in Seattle, and all of those people are a validation to me.
	So it's not just my experiences, but it's other experiences, people who've had them, and it's kind of how I put this puzzle together to help me understand.
	I'm such a stubborn sucker.
	I can believe in and understand and relate to anything that I have experienced, but then, as I just said to you a moment ago, I can't be sure, I have no way of knowing, this Boy, are we getting lightning strikes.
	Maybe somebody's trying to warn me that I shouldn't be talking about this.
	I have no way of knowing that this is what occurs when you die.
	I understand.
	Maybe a giant bolt of lightning is about to convince me otherwise here.
	I don't know.
	Well, Art, this is how I see it.
	Two years ago, before you and I spoke, you didn't know what you know now.
	That's for sure.
	What you know now has totally blown away everything that you thought about.
	And now, I'm sharing with you the next step of understanding.
	And it's okay if you don't know it now, because if you do this a few more times, you're going to come back and tell me the same thing.
	Oh my God, Al, I understand what you're talking about.
	All right.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Albert Taylor and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Is that me?
	That's you.
	Oh, good morning, Art.
	Good morning, Dr. Taylor.
	Where are you?
	I'm in San Antonio.
	I'm listening to WOAI.
	Of course.
	Okay.
	I started having these experiences when I was like 10 years old.
	I remember I'm 25 years old now, and I used to lay next to my parents and start having these experiences, which I didn't know what was happening, and I really couldn't tell anyone about it.
	But the first time I listened to you, Dr. Taylor, on your program, I realized what What was it about?
	And I went out and bought his book the next day and read it all.
	And after that, I had, I mean, ever since I read the book, I started, I stopped having the, you know, out-of-body experiences.
	You started having them?
	No, I stopped.
	I mean, before that, I used to have them like every, you know, once every two months.
	And After I read your book, I even, like, tried doing the exercises that you... The IFT?
	Yeah, you know, like meditation and, you know, like... So you're saying they actually stopped then?
	Yeah, it stopped at... Well, maybe... That wasn't the divine plan.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Maybe you were trying too hard.
	That may very well be, too.
	Because when I had mine, I was thinking, oh my God, we're having lightning.
	Albert, hold on, we're at the bottom of the hour.
	Wild times tonight, I'm telling you.
	It's quite a show going on here in Nevada.
	Southern Nevada.
	I'm Mark Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Music playing.
	From the Kingdom of Nigh, this is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
	First time callers may reach Art at area code 702-727-1222.
	702-727-1222.
	Now, here again is Art.
	And if you don't love me now, you'll never love me again.
	And do as you say, or you'll never break the jam I make.
	Good morning, everybody, from the high desert, where we've collected over a half inch of rain in the last
	30 minutes.
	It's pretty wild out there.
	Alright, back now to Albert Taylor.
	Albert, there are going to be a gazillion people out there Who are going to want to talk to you or ask you a question, who cannot communicate with you because they can't get through the phone.
	Right.
	Is there an email address?
	Yes.
	If they go to my website, they can email me or they can email me at s-o-l-p-r-a-v, as in Victor, l-e-r, at aol.com.
	That's s-o-l, soultraveller, at aol.com.
	Correct.
	I'm listening to your commercials.
	I'm not sure which one I'm more interested in, the computer chips that modify themselves, the prostate problem, or the impotency problem.
	There's a host of things to choose from.
	Indeed so.
	Okay, SoulTraveler at AOL.com.
	I suspect you'll get a lot of mail.
	I look forward to it.
	I love it, and I answer all my mail, too.
	Do you?
	Yes, I do.
	It takes me a while, but I do.
	After putting out your email address after tonight's program, I will be more than interested to see if you're able to make that same statement.
	It's getting harder.
	Alright, soultraveller at AOL.com.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Albert Taylor.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Jeff from Northern California listening on KOH.
	Hi Jeff.
	Great to talk to you.
	Al, my question for you is In regards to your conversation with your, I guess I wouldn't call her a dead ant, but an ant that has passed from the physical plane, does she have any perception of time, or does she have any perception of your life?
	Is she living in the physical plane, or do you only contact when you're in the astral plane?
	Okay, well, time is an element of the physical.
	There is no time on the other side.
	Whether she has a knowledge of my life or not, that wasn't shared.
	What she did share was an incredible feeling of love, understanding, support, compassion,
	all kinds of things that just really was overwhelming.
	I didn't sit there and ask her about what she thinks I should do or anything like that.
	First of all, I have to tell you, it didn't happen where I just said, oh, this is my aunt,
	no big deal.
	I was totally shocked because no one ever told me about this.
	This was something, and I'm a recovering Catholic, I like to say, so no one ever explained to
	me that this was even possible.
	The experience, I don't think I could have handled more than what she shared with me
	at that time.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	Thank you, caller.
	Take care.
	It's very interesting.
	I had a perception or I perceived that what happened to me was really quick, Albert, in Paris.
	It was very fast.
	Boom.
	It just happened.
	And then I shot myself back, almost sorrowfully back.
	Right.
	But I had the perception that it was short.
	Now, could that be inaccurate?
	In other words, Was it, could it just have been my... It could have very well been, yes.
	What we conceive to be short or long on the other side is totally, totally irrelevant when it comes to measuring time on our clocks in the physical world.
	Gotcha.
	Totally irrelevant.
	Gotcha.
	Alright, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Albert Taylor.
	Yes, this is Amy from Ohio.
	Amy from Ohio is going to have to yell at us because she's not too loud.
	We can barely hear her.
	Yeah, I know.
	KRC?
	Uh, yeah, just yell at us.
	Okay, I have a question for you regarding NDEs.
	I've never myself experienced what Art has experienced, nor have I experienced an NDE myself.
	That's good, in a way.
	On Art Show, I believe, and on TV, I've heard that some people have experienced negative NDEs, and I was just wondering if what Art experienced is Similar to what we experienced during death, what could these negative NDEs possibly be?
	Well, one thing, you know, I haven't had a near-death experience, so I'm not going to even pretend to be an expert.
	I can just say that I have heard hundreds of accounts of near-death experiences.
	Now, I have my own ideas on it, and what I found out, and I'm relating it to my experiences, is in the beginning when I did travel out of the body, because I brought a lot of fear with me, A lot of things manifest in that form because your thoughts are things.
	So I would experience these negative situations.
	If a person is going on the other side or leaving the body for the first time, as usually in a near-death experience they are, then if they're bringing some of these fearful things with them, then there's a very, very good chance that they're going to have a negative encounter.
	But most people have a wonderful experience that is life-changing, and they come back and it prompts them to do all kinds of incredible work for other people.
	Generally, it's a major positive thing.
	Indeed.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Al Taylor and Art Bell.
	Good morning.
	Hi, good morning.
	My name is Jerry, and I'm listening to you on KSRO in Santa Rosa, California.
	Hi, Jerry.
	Dr. Taylor, I haven't read your book, but I was just wondering if the process that you're discussing here could be precipitated By a chemical, like some of the Native Americans use in their rituals, like mescaline or something along that line.
	I would say yes, there are some chemicals that will probably induce an out-of-body experience.
	I don't know what they are, and I don't try them myself, but I would say it is possible because, you know, I think The Native Americans have done a lot of experiments with peyote, things like that.
	And you know what I find is that a lot of indigenous people have experimented with different natural substances which have caused them or helped them to achieve the state.
	But I always say you don't need any of that stuff.
	The true key is relaxation.
	Okay.
	Can you make a distinction between OBE and astral projection, or is there any?
	Yeah, oh definitely!
	A major difference.
	Alright, what is that difference?
	Astral projection is just that, projection to the astral plane.
	And that is one level above the physical plane that vibrates at a higher level.
	But there are multiple levels beyond that.
	So, in order to achieve that, what I found in my case, is I had to leave the astral body behind, on the astral plane or close to the physical body to
	achieve these higher areas of consciousness or vibrational areas like the etheric plane which is one of
	the highest states you can get to.
	Okay Al.
	Astral projection is very, very limited.
	Okay Al, what do you think, based on as limited a description as I was able to give you, what
	do you think I had?
	Well, because you said that you looked down and you didn't see a physical, the first thing
	you would have noticed is your astral body, your hands would have been transparent and
	glowing and little lights going through them.
	It would have been something that you definitely would have remembered.
	The fact that you didn't remember that, and the fact that you had this euphoric kind of experience, tells me that you may have had something, you may have had an experience in the etheric body, but not necessarily on the etheric plane.
	Okay.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Albert Taylor.
	Hi.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, this is Sam from Atlanta, Georgia, WGFT.
	Hi, Sam.
	How you doing?
	Art, I love your show.
	This is only the second night I've ever listened to it.
	Oh, my.
	And I'm just hooked on it.
	Well, thank you.
	Great show.
	Dr. Taylor.
	Yes.
	I'm a person that I never dream, or at least I don't remember, and I had a I'm 32 years old and I had a really bad, I guess you'd call it nightmare, when I was about, oh, I'd say 10 or 12 years old.
	And that's, I guess, the closest I've ever come to out of body.
	It seemed so real.
	I don't know what it was, but it was, I would call it a nightmare.
	But how do you go about, I guess this is in your book, how do you Condition yourself, or is it meditation to go about having these experiences?
	Well, for me, I'm not a good meditator.
	I tried that, it doesn't work for me, but a lot of people it does.
	The thing that I can say is the easiest way that I've found, and most people have experiences like this, is through the sleep process.
	The best thing that I, the number one thing that I recommend, I looked about five different techniques in my book.
	Like sleep patterns?
	Pardon me?
	What, sleep patterns?
	Yeah, to interrupt it.
	Right.
	To break it up into two parts.
	So that you sleep four hours, wake up, and then stay up for maybe two hours, then sleep an additional four.
	What that does is that brings you back to consciousness so that when you go back to sleep, the body will quickly fall asleep, generally, if you do a relaxation or something like that, and the consciousness has a better chance of sticking around and being conscious instead of drifting off into a REM state.
	That's the one I recommend most often is the interrupted sleep technique because I get a lot of feedback where people are able to achieve an out of body experience because of it.
	I see.
	I'm just totally fascinated by this.
	I was wondering, have you ever experienced the, as you hear, you've probably heard so many times, the light at the end of the tunnel type?
	Oh yeah.
	Oh you have?
	Oh yeah.
	Okay.
	That's something that really goes, you know, and people ask, how do you know the difference between this and a dream and things like that?
	And how do you know that that's as dead as you get and things like that?
	Well, the thing is, is that through the out-of-body experience, you can have encounters with the light that people who have near-death experiences talk about.
	You can, matter of fact, not just an encounter, you can actually understand who and what that light really is.
	Hey Al, you know what I'd say?
	I'd say, if you have to ask, it was a dream.
	That's true.
	Very true.
	Very good, Art, because you know beyond a shadow of a doubt what you did was not a dream.
	That's correct.
	So for everybody out there, there's no question about it.
	You know, there was not even a moment when I wondered whether I had a dream.
	I knew that something really profound was happening.
	Very true.
	Very true.
	It is not a dream.
	That's it.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Albert Taylor.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Where are you?
	I'm listening on KFRE and Trezdo.
	I'm Marianne and I've only had one experience.
	It was wonderful, right?
	Yes, but there was just one thing.
	I felt all of a sudden like I was flying and I felt like I was being held for long.
	With this beautiful face with this great big smile with all these beautiful white teeth.
	That is wonderful.
	Which I will never forget.
	That is wonderful.
	And then I had the feeling that we were going to go down and so I think I said, hold on to me so I don't get hurt.
	Right.
	And then we landed and it was like my left foot went out from underneath me.
	And it didn't hurt, but a couple of days later, on that same foot, on the heel, I had a great big bruise.
	Wow!
	And so I've always wondered about that.
	Alright, well that's a very interesting question.
	Physical manifestations from something like this, Al?
	Her case is a little different because a bruise is a negative thing.
	the bottom, the spirit, the consciousness, whatever you want to call it,
	definitely can have an impact on the physical body.
	Well, I don't know, it might not be, I mean look at, suppose you're
	imbibing some super libido formula and you incur a bruise, might be positive.
	I'm going to go.
	Well, I guess in a long shot it might be.
	Generally what I hear people, what thoughts manifest is a lot of healing, cures for different things that they've had.
	So yes, the spirit can influence the physical body.
	And like I said, I was supposed to be in a wheelchair five years ago.
	They told me After two major multiple sclerosis attacks, I ended up in ICU and they told me that I was going to end up in a wheelchair and I was going to have all kinds of secondary problems.
	And because of these experiences and my understanding about who and what I really am, here it is all this time later and I have zero remnants of those bad times with MS.
	Totally.
	I haven't had any attacks whatsoever in the last six or seven years.
	That's remarkable.
	Ease to the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Albert Taylor and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Oh, hi there.
	Hi.
	This is Paul in Lincoln.
	Hi, Paul.
	Nebraska.
	Hi.
	How are you doing?
	Pretty good.
	Wondrous.
	I had a question about once you're entering sleep, you know, sometimes you start almost hallucinating before you actually enter sleep.
	And the mind can be really playful with you.
	And I wondered... I've been reading a lot of Carlos Castaneda and he talks a lot about there's beings within our sleep and how sometimes they can take your naive perceptions of going into sleep and kind of lure you in and take you places and you're very intrigued and you're very entertained with it But yet, they will kind of somehow absorb your energy.
	I mean, I'm not really into the kind of New Age, like, oh, let your mind, you know, blah, blah, blah.
	But they talk about how you're influenced by these other beings, their souls or whatever.
	And I wondered how that could relate to some of the feelings of joy and everything.
	If you can get sucked in, And if that can be a negative thing, I know you talked a little bit about your perception of negativity can be influenced or whatever, but could there possibly be an exterior force kind of pulling you in, and if you get pulled in, can it have a negative effect on your reality during your waking life?
	Well, this is how I look at it, and through my experiences, First of all, I don't believe in a negative force.
	I don't believe in sucking me anywhere or doing anything to me, because what I found out is that I'm very much on even terms with them.
	The only time a lot of things have happened to me... Now, there are spirits out there who will play games with you.
	The only time I have really been, I'd say, a victim, if you want to call it that, is when I didn't know that we were very much on even ground.
	But since then, I don't have any negative experiences.
	And I'm not alone when I'm having these experiences.
	There is another, let's see, people call it a guide, a higher self, or they have numerous names for it, that is definitely there with you monitoring your progress.
	So you are never alone and you are never ever in danger of something doing something to you.
	I can in no way connect what happened to me with anything even approaching negative.
	Right.
	No way, Jose.
	The only negative and evil that I have known in this life on Earth is in the waking, walking state.
	Oh, there's plenty of that.
	Yeah, there's tons.
	All right.
	I think we may have time for one more.
	West of the Rockies, you're on air with Albert Taylor.
	Hello!
	Hi.
	This is Tom in Mount Lake Terrace, Washington.
	KOMO 1000.
	Yes, sir.
	Dr. Bell?
	No, no, I'm no doctor.
	It's Dr. Taylor.
	That's right.
	Anyway, I'm a little nervous.
	When I was young, I was able to astral project into the other room.
	And I was kind of, you know, neglected as a little kid.
	And this was my way of being around the adults.
	Well, one day, one of the adults went into the room When I was in the other room, up in the corner of the room watching TV, in the Astral, and they found my body, and they brought it into the room, and it looked like I was dead, and they all freaked out, and of course I went back into it, and I was just a little kid.
	I kind of figured everybody could do this, you know?
	Okay, well that's really a good question and we're woefully out of time, but Albert, what
	would a body appear to be to somebody who was awake and seeing you as you were astrally
	traveling?
	Okay, real quick, what he described is extremely rare because if someone were to touch you
	while you were out of body, you would be instantly recalled.
	So the fact that they were able to relocate his physical body without him being pulled
	back in is very rare.
	Matter of fact, I don't hear about that hardly at all.
	All right, listen, my friend, your well-deserved break is underway right now.
	Your book comes out.
	August 25th, you're going to have what, about 15 cities or something?
	15 cities, New York, you name it, Cincinnati, Detroit.
	Oh boy.
	I'll be all over the place.
	All right, well, we're going to have you back just at about that time and do a full program with you, so this was a good little tease for everybody, all right?
	Wonderful, Art.
	In the meantime, everybody who wants to send an email, it's soultraver, S-O-L, traveler, at AOL.com.
	My friend, thank you.
	Thank you, Art.
	Good night.
	That's Albert Killer.
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	Now again, here's Art.
	Once again, here I am.
	Good morning, everybody.
	We're headed into open lines right now.
	We're going to have Albert Taylor back around the 25th of August as he kicks off his big book tour.
	But I had to bring him in tonight.
	I had to bring him in tonight for this.
	Tomorrow night, Gary North is going to be here.
	We're going to get an update on Y2K.
	That's a very serious subject and a very serious program.
	That'll be tomorrow evening.
	Now, I want to straighten something out for those who are not quite understanding what's going on here.
	The Dreamland show that is going to air this Sunday, I will actually be taping this afternoon, later on this afternoon.
	It's not that it airs at that time.
	Dr. Bruce Goldberg is going to be my guest.
	He is a remarkable man, and he has taken a giant step, and he's going to be talking about ufology, something Dr. Bruce Goldberg really has not previously addressed.
	Although, this incredible experience that I had in Paris, I think will be a subject that we'll touch on as well.
	Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that we will be taping this between one and four o'clock Friday afternoon.
	I repeat, we'll be taping it between 1 and 4 o'clock.
	It is not for broadcast at that time, but any of you who know and wish to ask Dr. Goldberg a question are absolutely welcome to call in later this afternoon between 1 and 4.
	And if you have a relevant question, we will get you on with us, and then of course that program will air on Sunday.
	So, there you have it.
	Man, what a night.
	You have no idea what it has been like around here.
	I finally took that precaution and at least began to shut down all my computers.
	I've got them back up now and I think the worst of it certainly has passed.
	I don't know if any of you could hear it because I've got soundproofing in here and I've got everything closed up, but we were getting lightning that was hitting right next to us and we were getting a few crashes that were just unbelievably loud.
	And I heard them in my headphones.
	I don't know if they actually made it on the air, if you heard any of them or not.
	But this was one of the most violent thunderstorms that I've seen in a long time.
	There's an awful lot of energy out there, and I guess it's getting up and dissipating, unfortunately, later at night here in the desert during the time I'm on the air.
	But it was quite an experience, and from moment to moment, I expected the possibility of a permanent out-of-body experience.
	It was that close.
	What a night!
	Alright, there's not a whole lot of interesting stuff going on in the news right now, the traditional news that I pulled, but there is a lot of interesting stuff going on.
	Somebody called early in the program and said, Hey Art, a computer chip, a processor, a microprocessor, has actually evolved.
	Has evolved itself, and that is one incredible thing to consider.
	And I just, as I asked for anybody else to know anything about it, and I got this, Dear Art.
	This is in response to your request for information about the evolving computer chip.
	Along with one of your callers, I also heard the story on the radio about this chip and was so intrigued, I took notes.
	The story was reported by Hugh Downs on his Perspectives radio program that aired 7-4-98.
	Hugh Downs said that the scientist who was familiar with this development was named Adrian Thompson, not sure of the spelling, basically the rules of Darwinian evolution were programmed into a computer to create a circuit which could determine the difference between two tones using only 100 cells.
	In this context, I think cells meant transistors, gates, and or diodes.
	The computer did successfully evolve and optimize such a circuit.
	The unusual thing about the circuit was that it used five cells isolated from the rest.
	No one understands how the circuit works.
	Or why the computer placed the five isolated cells in the circuit, but the chip won't work without them.
	Oh my God!
	Do you realize what this means?
	This means in order to deal with the... If I understand it properly, and maybe I'm wrong, But in order to deal with the problem that it was presented, a microprocessor actually modified in the sense that it added diodes itself, internal diodes, and evolved.
	An electronic device evolved.
	And I will leave to you and your imaginations Where this might take us, and I wonder if it's a place that we want to go.
	What a remarkable story.
	And this night is full of remarkable stories, some of them not so pleasant.
	For example, this one, and I feel a responsibility to repeat this.
	The following is from Reuters.
	A melting Antarctic glacier could lead to the collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, or WAIS it's called, causing global sea levels to rise perhaps up to 20 feet.
	Radar images from satellite observations between 1992 and 96 of Pine Island Glacier in West Antarctica showed this glacier is now shrinking.
	Eric Rignot, a radar scientist at the Jet Propulsion Lab in California, led the study.
	He said, it is important because it could lead to a collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet.
	He said, we are seeing a glacier melt in the heart of Antarctica.
	Antarctica, the fifth largest continent, is almost completely covered with ice.
	About 90% of the world's glacial ice is in Antarctica.
	So, and it goes on, but the bottom line is, scientists now believe that one of the main glaciers in the Antarctic could be melting, and this could result, shortly, in the raising of sea levels by 20 feet.
	Now, you consider what that would mean.
	How far above sea level are you?
	Oh, perhaps sufficiently above sea level that it won't bother you.
	But when you consider that our coasts, both east and west and southern, virtually are at sea level, and it has, of course, become very popular to build one's residence virtually at sea level, a rise in sea levels of 20 feet would be catastrophic.
	Catastrophic.
	Now I said this earlier and I'm going to say it again.
	I hesitate to raise the prospect of global warming because that begins a political argument that I really don't want to get into.
	But obviously something is occurring.
	The weather is changing.
	It is a profound change.
	Not many people seem to be arguing about that now.
	In this change, or as part of this change, it would appear as though glaciated ice everywhere is in retreat.
	In other words, melting.
	And now, let's forget the words global warming.
	Alright?
	Let's just say, it's happening.
	I don't want to get into a political fight with anybody.
	It's happening.
	I understand the politics of all of this and how it frightens people and if Al Gore says it, then automatically half the population is angry and wants to fight back and say it's such a pile of crap and Al Gore is such a pile of crap and all the rest of it.
	Fine.
	Go ahead.
	Have that argument.
	I don't want to have it here.
	I want to look at what actually is occurring.
	If the weather is changing, and it would certainly appear to be so, And becoming more violent, then one would assume that there is generally violent weather is as a result of heat in the atmosphere.
	Just like the storm that I just had here, the very violent thunderstorm.
	There is a great deal of heat.
	That is energy that has to go somewhere.
	It dissipates in a storm.
	Otherwise, heat can do things like melting glaciers.
	So, I'm not going to say global warming.
	I'm just going to say The weather is changing, the ice caps appear to be melting, and you can ascribe it to anything you wish, but I don't think that you can deny that the process is going on.
	On a lighter note, or maybe not such a lighter note, I want to repeat for the audience now a remarkable letter that I just received, and you can take this as you will.
	Some of you will recall a man named Mel Waters from Mel's Hole.
	Mel's Hole is kind of an old story.
	It's something that we did... How long?
	Two years ago?
	This man who had this bottomless pit up near Ellensburg, Washington.
	Well, anyway, without burdening you with that story, let me read you the following.
	It says, I was the person that rented an apartment to the Mel Waters of Mel's Hole fame when he lived in Ellensburg.
	In payment of his deposit, he gave me an old P-38 pistol that he found on his property while turning over some soil for planting.
	The P-38 was covered with dirt, a real mess.
	I'd put it away, figuring it would be interesting to clean up one day.
	I have since moved away from Ellensburg.
	Though I miss it terribly.
	A couple of weeks ago, I was unpacking the last of my boxes and I found the dirty old P-38.
	So I cleaned it up, expecting a horribly pitted and corroded firearm.
	If nothing else, it might have had some interesting proofing marks that may have made it of some value.
	So, cleaned it up and found it was in pristine condition.
	In fact, I've seen Worst looking guns right out of the box.
	The clip in the gun still had cartridges in it.
	An examination of the gun showed it to be in working order and I couldn't wait to take it out for a test fire.
	I did remove the cartridges and replaced them with fresh ones.
	Nine millimeter.
	An odd thing about this gun, besides the pristine condition, Is that there are absolutely no tool marks to be found on the gun.
	Very odd indeed.
	So, I took the gun to the range and started with a test firing.
	The gun misfired.
	At least, I thought it misfired.
	No recoil, no blast.
	I cleared the chamber only to find that a round had been fired.
	The target I put up 15 yards away had a perfect bullseye.
	I stood there shaking my head.
	Back to the firing line, I emptied the clip.
	No recoil.
	No blast.
	Absolute silence.
	All shots were bullseyes.
	This was some pretty good shooting for me.
	Though I collect guns, I can barely hit the broad side of a barn.
	In total, I went through several boxes of ammo.
	I was scoring perfectly on targets I would never dream of even hitting.
	What amazed me was that one round vaporized a watermelon I set about 20 feet away after the shot.
	I couldn't find a seed rind or bit of pulp anywhere.
	I dread to think what it would do to a human or animal.
	Clearly, I was given something amazing.
	I was both freaked out and exhilarated.
	What did I have?
	The gun revealed no proving marks.
	It looked like a standard World War II variety P-38.
	In fact, the parts are interchangeable with other P-38s that I have.
	I cannot determine what material the gun is made out of.
	I can tell you it will pass through a metal detector without detection.
	And that it is non-magnetic.
	It will also pass through the airport x-ray.
	Don't ask me how I know this.
	The gun is solid black.
	But I swear, at times, it seems transparent.
	I'm not sure how such a thing could exist.
	It is, however, a World War II design.
	The old cartridges seem to have bullets Made of the same material the gun is made out of.
	I don't dare fire these cartridges because I don't know what shape they're in.
	The bullets, however, I may have reloaded with new cases and charges.
	Another observation about the gun.
	After putting a couple of hundred rounds through it, it required no cleaning.
	In fact, It wasn't even warm after going through several clips' rapid fire.
	I've weighed the gun, unloaded on several occasions, each time it weighs differently.
	The weight seems to fluctuate almost 40% up or down.
	None of my other P-38s do this.
	The scales are accurate.
	I've not been in touch with Mel since he left the country.
	I do wish to thank him for the fine firearm he gave me.
	Mel also gave me some Nazi insignia that he found with the gun.
	Haven't been able to locate the insignia yet.
	If Mel wants to reach me, he can reach me through his son.
	He knows the number.
	Regards, Harold, and I've got a last name, but I withhold that at the faxer's request.
	Interesting, huh?
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air, good morning.
	Hello, hello!
	Goodbye.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air, good morning.
	Yes, this is Eric from Houston, listening to you on KTRH 740 AM, the news station.
	Hi, Eric!
	Hi there.
	I wanted to make mention, I tried to get through last night about your guest last night, and a point that hadn't been made earlier.
	Now, all of you did a pretty good job at I've interviewed Jesse Marcel Jr.
	air force report uh... you got me the photograph that mister johnson took
	yes but i think you're pretty neglecting the fact that
	with uh...
	apparently also contradict jesse marcelle who claimed that the degree
	shown on the photograph were in fact switched and we're not looking at the time
	i've interviewed uh...
	jesse marcelle junior and
	he has made no such statement I've not heard him say that, that it was switched.
	I've heard from other people that he did say that, but I know it only second-hand.
	All right.
	I just wanted to point that out.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you very much.
	I think, yes, what we did last night was all we could do with physical proof.
	I think that we adequately proved that the materials that were in the photographs that we do have were both some of what they said it was, but also materials that would not be consistent with what they claimed it was.
	So, we proved something very important last night and tossed the ball back to the Air Force.
	We'll see if they have anything to say.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello Art!
	Hello!
	Hey, I just need to know, has your new car been burping lately?
	Has it been what?
	Burping!
	Did you get a new Trans Am?
	Yeah, I have a Firebird Trans Am, yes.
	Is that the same one on the commercials?
	Maybe that's what happened to your G.O.
	Yeah, I love those commercials.
	There's a couple actually.
	One where it blows out a stoplight, which would be uncool because we only have one in Pahrump.
	Oh no.
	And the other is where it eats another car.
	That's the one.
	And then burps.
	Yep.
	And as far as I know, my trans has not yet eaten another car.
	Though, there have been times when I have sensed that it would like to have.
	Well, it might have got the geo, though.
	That could be the real thing.
	And where's your dog?
	It could eat up a geo in one bite, dear.
	Really?
	Where's the dog?
	Um, where is the dog?
	Outside.
	Okay, you still got it.
	I gotta go.
	Okay.
	Have a good one.
	Break at the bottom of the hour.
	We'll be right back.
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	This is Coast to Coast AM from the Kingdom of Nye with Art Bell.
	Good morning everybody from Florida today.
	It seems the International Space Station is now going to be delayed once again.
	In addition to that, we were going to spend, the U.S.
	was going to spend about $17.4 billion as our part of it.
	That cost has now gone to $21 billion, and of course the Russians' share has gone up as well, so they're not giving us a date, but the International Space Station is now delayed once again.
	Houston, bacteria tainted oysters from Galveston Bay have sickened about 368 people.
	Of the 368 made ill, 66 cases have been confirmed by lab.
	So they're having more trouble down in Texas.
	Other news, you'll recall I told you Aetna was beginning to get active.
	Check this out.
	Ash belching out of Mount Etna forced officials to close their only airport Thursday in Sicily, as the volcano sent up plumes of smoke six miles high.
	The airport was shut down late Wednesday, remained closed until Thursday afternoon, while workers cleared runways of a quarter-inch layer of ash that had made the tarmac slick.
	Ten flights were either cancelled or delayed for hours or diverted to the only other main airport in Palermo.
	So, there you go, folks.
	In a moment, we'll be back and continue open lines through the balance of the show.
	Don't forget, Gary North, tomorrow night, Y2K.
	Now, here's another interesting story, just before we proceed, from Vancouver, British Columbia.
	Check this out.
	British Columbia residents may not always be able to see the hundreds of whales living in nearby waters, but thanks to a new radio station, they can hear them.
	Beginning this week, Vancouver Island residents can tune in to Orca FM for the world's first 24-hour-a-day broadcast of whale sounds picked up by a microphone placed on the seabed 120 miles northwest of Vancouver.
	The microphone is near Robson Bight, right off of Vancouver Island's northeastern coast, and can apparently pick up the sounds of whales within a nine-mile radius.
	Scientists say the area is home to about 750 killer whales in various groups.
	The station is broadcasting the whale sounds around Robson Bight, that's B-I-G-H-T, and The transmission is also being picked up from a landline at the Vancouver Aquarium and broadcast there.
	The aquarium says it hopes to eventually make the noises available on the Internet.
	All right.
	Whale researcher John Ford organized the project, says the whale sounds range from excited sounds indicating they're getting food, all the way to squeaks And squawks indicating they are either socializing or mating.
	Huh.
	West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
	Hello.
	I don't know what that was, but it was not discernible.
	East of... maybe it was a whale.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Yeah, this is Tom.
	Is this the Art Bell Show?
	What would be your best guess?
	Yes.
	Oh, you're right.
	Are you on a five second delay?
	More like seven.
	Okay, should I turn my radio down?
	What do you think?
	Yes.
	Oh, you're right again.
	Okay, I got it now.
	Okay, Tom.
	We're on the way.
	All right.
	Let me know when I'm on.
	You're on.
	Okay.
	Art?
	Yes?
	How you doing?
	I'm fine, sir.
	This is Tom from Cincinnati.
	Okay, Tom?
	One thing I wanted to ask you, that gold you're talking about, I didn't get that number on that completely.
	Uh, gold?
	Yeah, that you advertise.
	Oh, I see, you mean North American Trading?
	Yeah, per ounce.
	Um, okay, hold on a minute, and I'll get it for you.
	You got a pencil, Tom?
	Yes, I do.
	You ready to write?
	Ready.
	Let's see, am I ready to tell you about it?
	Okay, here we go.
	It's 1-800-1800-359-359.
	4-2-5-5.
	4-2-5-5.
	You got it, Tom?
	Got it.
	Cool.
	What I want to ask you about another thing, too, is Roswell deal.
	Yes.
	Nobody's ever proved that, you know, they crashed or anything like that, but there is a lot of people that was in the Pentagon at the time, and that took a lot of troops, you know, a division almost, to hide that.
	How could they hide Something like that when it happened in 47.
	No sweat, Tom.
	They could do it easily.
	As a matter of fact, when aircraft around here crash, they hide it very easily.
	We've had a number of aircraft that have crashed here in the Nevada desert where they do an awful lot of flying.
	I've seen it.
	Up on the side of mountains and what have you.
	And I can assure you the entire area is quickly cordoned off, traffic is stopped, military vehicles and vans arrive, there is a cleanup accomplished without civilians being able to see at all what is going on, and when they want to move something, something even fairly large, they can do it at will.
	I've seen it happen, Tom, so if it can happen now, it could happen then.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi Art, I have to tell you your road market crashed.
	There's no more.
	All done.
	Oh, I know.
	I'm helping it along.
	As a matter of fact, I think everybody should sell every bit of Art Belsock they can sell.
	You can't do anything.
	It's just not there anymore.
	Well, you mean, what do you mean, the website?
	Yes.
	I know.
	It can't take the traffic.
	That's the other thing.
	But there's something intrinsically wrong, I believe, with the software, because when people go up there, I tried, you know, I would tell people to go up there, and all of a sudden, with all the traffic, my name would disappear, it would go to zeros, the website would stop working, and all the rest of it.
	So, finally, in exasperation, I just said, go ahead and take a profit if you can get in there, sell it, and be done with it.
	But I think the whole thing is done.
	I don't think you're going to be able to get anything anymore out of it.
	Well, you never know.
	Nope.
	But I had to tell you that.
	I thought that was amusing.
	I think we crashed them.
	Yep.
	That's the way to go.
	I'll see you later.
	All right.
	Bye-bye.
	Take care.
	I know.
	It's just whatever is going on, it's sort of broken.
	So we have removed the link, and anybody who is able to get in there who holds Art Bell's stock, I'm telling you, Sell, sell, sell, if you're able to get in.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Good morning.
	Good morning to you.
	I cannot believe that I finally got you.
	So many people say that.
	Well, I'm living in a cow pasture out in North Alabama.
	Isn't that kind of uncomfortable?
	I mean, you're sharing it with the cows?
	Honey, I love it.
	They're the only neighbors I have.
	I see.
	But I want to know if you have any material or any information about Salton Sea?
	Not particularly.
	What are you curious about?
	Well, I like Salton Sea.
	You know where it is, a little bit down south from Palm Springs?
	Yes.
	And there is a large body of water that was a spillage from the Colorado River several years ago.
	And?
	And, uh, there's been a lot of, um, interesting stuff going on.
	And, of course, it's, uh... Oh, you mean it is an area of anomalous activity?
	Yeah, I think so.
	I think so.
	And, uh, there's been a... Excuse me.
	There's been a, uh, lot of political, uh, activity since, uh... What was his name?
	Bono.
	Sonny Bono died and Newt Gingrich decided to take up a banner and clean the area up.
	Yeah, I heard about that.
	Okay.
	I'd like to go and live there if I thought it was a good place.
	You mean you'd leave your cows?
	I would leave my cows, yes.
	Well, I don't know what to tell you.
	I guess you're a free soul, and so if you want to go live in the Salton Sea, write a letter to Newt Gingrich and ask him or something.
	Well, I don't think Newt's going to know what I want to know.
	But I didn't know if you all had done any research about what was happening.
	It's close to Barstow, where there are the You can see the writings in the ground from the sky, you know, that kind of thing.
	I go through Barstow all the time.
	Uh-huh.
	And so, do you have anybody I can look up besides Newt?
	Not a soul, no.
	I can tell you this, that there is an area of anomalous activity around Barstow and Baker.
	I've called it the Baker Triangle, actually, for some time.
	And inexplicably, Cars in the Baker area break down.
	In fact, you can see it every time you drive through the area on I-15.
	Broken down cars.
	Where?
	In the Baker area.
	Sort of in a triangle in the Baker area.
	Inexplicably, they stop.
	You'll see hoods raised and people trying to wave down for help and all the rest of it.
	It's a strange area.
	So that, that I do know.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello, this is Rich in Fort Worth, Texas.
	Hello, Rich.
	Talk radio 570 KLIF.
	Cliff, oh yes indeed.
	Okay, I thought Alex Collier was just fascinating the other night.
	Glad you enjoyed him.
	I sure would like to see if he would come back sometime.
	I'm sure he will.
	But I have a question.
	I'm a real big fan of Ed Baines and his remote viewing work.
	Yes, sir.
	When he was on your show last time, he predicted some kind of solar event happening during this month.
	Yes, and we are certainly having a lot of solar activity this month.
	As a matter of fact, I think I read a warning last night.
	Okay, I must have missed that.
	I was just wondering if you had heard anything about anything happening.
	Answer is yes.
	Okay.
	Alright, thank you very much.
	As a matter of fact, there have been a couple of cases of ejecta.
	And that is different than a solar flare.
	Ejecta is when, for lack of a better phrase, a blob of the sun literally breaks off and heads toward the planet.
	And it does, of course, hit in that form, but we were hit by radiation, great amounts of it, a couple of times already this month.
	It's obviously very active.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Yes.
	Good morning, Art.
	Good morning.
	This is Kelly, calling from Oregon, Klamath Falls, Oregon.
	Yes, sir.
	I just wanted to call and let you know I listened to your show the other night, speaking with, I don't remember the individual's name, about having contacts with extraterrestrials.
	Yes.
	And a lot of the information I heard on there seemed to correlate to a show I listened to quite a while ago.
	I remember the individual's name on that one.
	He wrote a book called Above Black.
	Yes.
	And there was another individual, too, on a different show, talking about a shift in the magnetic field of the Earth.
	Yes.
	And I kind of noticed a correlation of all those things on a different level between those three guests of yours.
	Well, there were a lot of people saying very similar things.
	Not just those three, but I could probably give you up to about two dozen names of people who say those sorts of things.
	Probably could, but I'm kind of curious if they, you know, do any kind of networking between themselves to see if there's something a little bit deeper there.
	Next time I have somebody on, we'll ask.
	Yeah.
	Oh, one last thing, too, Art, for your lead-in music.
	Yes.
	Have you ever heard of An album called Children of the Sun?
	No.
	No, it's by an artist called Billy Thorpe.
	Album came out in the late 1970s.
	If you get a chance to find it, it's a very, very good album.
	Okay.
	I appreciate the information.
	Thank you.
	Never heard of Billy Thorpe either.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
	Hey, how's it going?
	It's going.
	I can't believe I got through.
	I know you hear that often.
	Frequently, yes.
	Yeah.
	Look, something rather interesting happened a couple of weeks ago.
	I was listening to Rush's show, and he was talking about Y2K.
	Right.
	And all of a sudden, right before he got to what he was talking about, it was like his whole system shut down.
	Yeah, I heard about that.
	That was absolutely hilarious.
	Also, I also believe that might be what's happening to your website.
	My website?
	Well, and your junk bonds.
	Junk bonds?
	Are you talking about the Rogue Market?
	Yeah, the Rogue Market.
	First of all, the Rogue Market is not my website.
	My website is www.artbell.com.
	Right, okay.
	Well, I'm sorry.
	I'm kind of like you, nocturnal.
	I've been working nights for too many years.
	Believe me.
	But I'm really excited to talk to you.
	It's been a while.
	I've been listening to you for a lot of years.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Baton Rouge, WJBO.
	Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
	Yeah, when are you going to pick up WL out of New Orleans?
	Now that would be something to shoot for, huh?
	Yeah.
	We're actually getting to the point where the program has almost reached saturation.
	In other words, we're in every single large market in the U.S.
	You can't go no further.
	And we're kind of filling in holes hither and yon, but that would be a wonderful classic radio station to add to the network.
	Yeah.
	What are you at now, like 4.05?
	Something like 4.04, 4.05, something like that.
	Yeah.
	Well, look, I really enjoy your show and keep letting people know what's going on.
	All right, my friend, thank you.
	Nighttime is a little bit different.
	With reference to AM radio stations, particularly those who have talk formats, there are, you've got to recall, fewer stations that are on the air.
	About half, I would guess, at night.
	than there are during the day.
	So, there are more stations, obviously, during the day that you could get.
	Now, the difference is, at night, when you get a station, they generally go much farther.
	The clear-channel, big, powerful 50 kW stations, why, they just, at night, go and go and go and go.
	So, it's a two-edged sword.
	On the one side, you don't have as many stations on at night, But on the other side of the coin, those that are on cover a great deal of geography.
	So, Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello, Art.
	Hello.
	Can you hear me?
	Do you want me to pick up a different phone?
	I hear you just fine.
	Okay.
	This is the second time I called you and the first time I was totally fooled by your voice, but now I actually know it's you.
	There you are.
	I know you don't have a lot of time because we're near the top of the hour, but I was going to give you a little lesson in why coyotes aren't afraid of you at night.
	Coyotes?
	Yeah.
	Why?
	We call them coyotes.
	Why?
	A little biological science 101.
	Nocturnal animals as opposed to diurnal animals have cones and rods in the back of their eye.
	We all have both.
	Nocturnal animals have more rods.
	Diurnal animals or daytime animals have more cones.
	Okay.
	Have you ever noticed that you put a flashlight to a nocturnal animal, you'll get a reflection off the eye.
	Mm hmm.
	Similar to what we get from the few rods we have from a flashlight camera.
	Yes.
	Okay, when you look at them at night, even in minimal light, because you have cones in the back your eyes, they'll get no reflection off your eyes.
	Therefore, they don't think and know that you can't, they know you can't see them.
	They think you can't see them.
	That's exactly right.
	But if you have night vision, you can see them.
	That's right, but they don't perceive.
	They don't perceive it.
	They don't see.
	That's right.
	Okay, so that's why, I mean, I remember, gosh, it must have been four to six months ago you were asking, I wonder why this is.
	They don't see two eyes looking back at them when you're looking at them with... Yeah, I finally sort of figured that out for myself.
	It is really interesting, though.
	They simply assume that you cannot see them, so they go about their business as though you were not there.
	And it's really interesting, because you can sit out there with night vision, and you can see, it's amazing what goes on at night.
	Yes.
	And interestingly enough, since they also have few cones in the back of their eye, a cone is just exactly what it sounds like, a cone-shaped receptor on the back surface of their eyeball.
	Now, if you can envision this, a rod is going to allow a lot of light to hit the end of the surface.
	Listen, you were right.
	I'm now out of time.
	I've got to go.
	Oh, gosh.
	All right.
	See you later.
	Thank you.
	Your message did get across, and you're absolutely correct.
	I'm Art Bell.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	The devil went down to Georgia.
	He was looking for a soul to steal.
	He was in a bind, but he was way behind.
	He was willing to make a deal.
	When he came across this young man sawin' on a fiddle and playin' it hot.
	And the devil jumped up on a hickory stump and said, Boy, let me tell you what.
	I guess you didn't know it, but I'm a fiddle player, too.
	And if you dare to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you.
	Now, you play a pretty good fiddle, boy, but give the devil his due.
	I'll bet a fiddle of gold against your soul, cause I think I'm bettered you.
	The boy said, my name's Johnny and it might be a sin, but I'll take your bet you're gonna regret, cause I'm the best you've
	ever been.
	You know I need your love, you've got that whole world to yourself.
	You know I need your love, you've got that whole world to yourself.
	Oh I'm just gonna play some of this, I think.
	I'm just going to play some of this, I think.
	Kind of listen to the words.
	I'm just going to play some of this.
	I'm telling you everything.
	I can never leave you alone.
	Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nigh on the Wild Card Line at area code 702-727-1295.
	Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye on the wildcard line at area code 702-727-1295.
	That's area code 702-727-1295.
	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
	Who's running right down the line?
	Kind of a pretty song, isn't it?
	I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Good morning.
	Open lines.
	Here's somebody who writes it's them from Tucson.
	Hey Art, I have a chupacabra for sale.
	I'm looking for a buyer.
	I'm asking a firm 50 grand.
	I'll be listening to your program for a response.
	I'll fax you shortly with my contact info.
	Not me.
	I don't think I'd pay to get a chupacabra.
	I don't think so.
	I have an interesting comment about the electronics that are self-changing.
	I watched a show on the Learning Channel on robotics.
	It showed small robots that would learn from its mistakes.
	Then the next generation of robots would learn or know about the mistakes of the last generation made without having to make them itself.
	So in other words, they're better than us because we don't do that, do we?
	We continue to make the same mistakes and go through the same learning curves again and again.
	They call this robotic evolution.
	Show said the robotics could have hundreds of generations in just a few weeks or even months.
	There are also some robots that have circuits that can reroute around damaged areas.
	Great.
	One day we're going to wake up and there will have been a coup d'etat and we will be run by a machine.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes.
	This is Ben calling from Montana.
	Yes.
	And I have a few comments to say about the P-38.
	Okay.
	I just got a degree in physics and I can tell you right now that he is breaking, he's basically He just broke the law of conservation of energy.
	Oh, I believe so.
	I think that's why he wrote the letter.
	Yeah, well, I'll buy him a Montana steak dinner if he can actually show me that the bullet does not recoil, that when the gun is fired that it does not recoil.
	Well, I think there's more than a Montana steak dinner at stake here.
	Well, we got a good prime rib up here.
	Well, it's got to be awfully good.
	I mean, a gun like this has got to be worth big bucks.
	Well, and also, obviously you must be able to control the velocity of the bullet because 9mm break the speed of sound.
	And I would think that, you know, obviously it must be subsonic then if you don't hear the... I have answers for none of this.
	I just read the letter.
	Well, it is mystifying.
	And also about the circuits.
	The only thing that I could ever think about would be the fundamental part of a chip is the transistor.
	And maybe the PN junctions are somehow modified.
	Sometimes if you overload, put too high of a voltage across the PN junctions, some of the ions that actually give the polarity positive and negative can Well, you heard the facts I just read.
	If you have a machine capable of doing what apparently they have now, and you had generations upon generations which learned, eventually you could end up with something that would take over.
	Yeah, I guess that would be software driven.
	Because it would just go ahead and say, okay, this circuit is, the voltage is not correct here, so it re-routes it.
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	I think that... I'm kind of skeptic about things like that.
	But there's definitely some mysterious technology out there.
	Well, it's definitely good to be skeptical, but... Yeah.
	I'm hearing this from an awful lot of sources now, and I can imagine that one day a machine would take a look around the world and it would say, hmm...
	Pollution, melting ice caps, deteriorating environment, too many people.
	What should we do?
	And then begin to act.
	Yeah, we'll see.
	I think that's all going to be driven through mankind.
	That's all going to be information that we put in.
	Either that or mankind is going to be driven through.
	I appreciate your call, sir.
	Thank you.
	What do you suppose a dispassionate Logically driven, emotionless machine would decide about our present state of affairs, huh?
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Um, yes.
	Uh, I'm calling.
	Yes, hello.
	Do you see now, you're providing a wonderful example of how confusing it is when you leave your radio on for the entire audience.
	You're still listening to it, aren't you?
	Yes.
	I'm turning it off.
	Cool.
	Yes.
	You have turned it off, right?
	It's off.
	That is good.
	My name is Molly, and I'm calling from Lincoln, Nebraska.
	Welcome to the program.
	Thank you.
	In fact, the caller you had earlier, Paul from Lincoln?
	Yes.
	That's my brother.
	It is.
	Yes, and he's called you several times before.
	And this is your first call?
	This is my first call.
	Okay.
	I have a comment and or question about out-of-body travel.
	And that would be?
	I have an elderly friend.
	He's a very good friend of mine.
	He's now 70 years old and he's had several out-of-body experiences.
	Yes.
	And one of the things he's told me that can happen when he is having an out-of-body experience Is that I could be sitting in my apartment and he, during his out-of-body experience, could come floating through the ceiling and like float down into my apartment and like sit on my couch.
	I would be able to see him just as if he was really there.
	Have you ever?
	No, he's never done that.
	I've waited for the day Well, I'm not saying that's not possible, but I've never heard of it.
	I've never heard of a person seeing somebody traveling in the ethereal plane or anything else.
	I don't know whether or not I could communicate with him, but I would see him physically as if he were there.
	I know.
	Well, I find that hard to believe.
	I appreciate the call, but I find that very difficult to believe.
	Unless you want to believe that ghosts are such manifestations, which are of course occasionally sort of seen.
	That could be so.
	I can't relate to the experience that you're talking about, because the one I had was so very different, and I have explained it the best way I can.
	But it had nothing to do with traveling into other rooms, or anything of that sort.
	It was amazing.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	And there is a comment on our public school system.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello, this is Taylor Caller from Dayton, Ohio.
	Hello.
	And I'm listening to you on 1410 WING.
	Yes, ma'am.
	Just a comment about the ice melting in the Antarctic.
	Yes.
	Puts me in the mind of New Orleans and how it's below sea level.
	Right.
	That would just sort of kind of flood them out now, wouldn't it?
	Sort of, kind of, yeah.
	Then, of course, there's the East Coast and the West Coast with all of these cities and homes built virtually right at the beach level.
	Yeah, I know.
	I used to live in Florida a long time ago.
	Another 20 feet of water would Probably ruin their day.
	Yeah, if you wanted to see Daytona Beach, you'd have to go scuba diving, I think.
	That's exactly right.
	I just wanted to say you've got a great show, and keep up the good job.
	Well, thank you very much, and we will avoid again the phrase, the politically explosive phrase, global warming.
	It is simply happening.
	Call it whatever you want.
	West of the Rockies, you're on air.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Norton.
	Good morning.
	I'm up here in Sacramento, and I called you before.
	Okay, now you're calling me again.
	Yeah, and I wanted to tell you my tablet came back.
	What tablet?
	I bought a machine from Mercury, and my tablet disappeared.
	I have no idea what you're talking about.
	Mercury, what's Mercury?
	Mercury Nevada up there.
	Area 51.
	You bought a machine from Mercury?
	Yeah.
	Where do they sell machines in Mercury?
	They sell all kinds of stuff out of there.
	Where?
	At the Bissell site.
	No they don't.
	Yes they do!
	Name the store.
	You go in through the third gate.
	And the storage area back there?
	You don't go into the gate up there?
	Oh yes you do.
	Oh no you don't.
	Oh yes you do.
	Class 1 clearance.
	Oh, well you mean if you're in the military or something.
	Well that's entirely different.
	But, uh, no you can buy stuff from them.
	They do have open auctions to the public.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	Alien artifacts and all, huh?
	Um, no I didn't see no alien artifacts.
	No?
	No, I was after electrical.
	Electrical what?
	Switches.
	Switch gear and stuff.
	Probably back-engineered.
	No, it's a legitimate business.
	I guess they do have auctions and they sell off... But I mean, when you're buying something, you're talking about the mercury test site, right?
	Right.
	Where they test atomic devices, correct?
	Right.
	Or used to.
	Right.
	If I were you, I'd take a Geiger counter along with me.
	I said that after you told me the last time to check it.
	Before filling up your truck with a bunch of extraneous mercury tessite stuff?
	I bought a complete radar unit out of there.
	You did?
	Yeah.
	What are you doing with a radar unit?
	I tore it apart.
	You tore it apart?
	For components.
	I see.
	All right.
	That was the whole general idea of the business.
	I had another market that they could be used in.
	I see.
	A lot of people do that.
	Buy a surplus and sell it.
	And then I called you and told you I'd bought this machine that I'd hooked 243 phase 2 and my tablet disappeared.
	Tablet?
	You wanted me to send you a picture of it.
	That's right.
	And you never did.
	I don't know.
	They might take it away from me.
	I got a letter from them and they wanted serial numbers and stuff off of it.
	Well, now you've had it.
	You know what happens when the men in black show up?
	They haven't showed up yet.
	Well, of course not.
	I mean, you're here on the phone, but when they do, that's it.
	But if they let me keep it, I'll take a picture of it.
	Well, you better do it quick then.
	I'll look for it now.
	When you say you're going to send a photograph, you better do it.
	Tablet disappeared.
	Better send it before you disappear.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Yeah, all right.
	Yes, sir.
	Yes, sir.
	Good morning.
	How are you?
	I'm reasonably well.
	That's good news.
	I'm glad to hear it.
	This is John calling from Tupelo, Mississippi.
	Tupelo, Mississippi.
	Yes, right in between one below and three below.
	I'm glad I got through.
	I ran across your show by accident.
	That's how most people find me.
	I never was a talk radio listener.
	We're like an ongoing accident in the nighttime.
	Well, accident is the wrong word to use.
	I pull a gas tanker.
	Oh, I see.
	You try to avoid that word.
	Yes, definitely, at all costs.
	I wanted to ask you, it seems to me, and I'm sure you've noticed that it's your business, More and more people, anywhere you go, any walk of life, they seem to be more in tune with themselves, so to speak, and what's going on around.
	Everybody seems to be a little bit more in tune with each other.
	And I know you've talked about this with several of your guests on that type of subject.
	I was wondering about your opinion on that.
	Um, all right, well, I'll give it to you.
	I would say, I would say that some people are becoming more spiritual, which is, I know sounds new agey, but more aware of themselves and their surroundings and their connection to their environment.
	And a lot of other people are going in the precise other direction.
	And ultimately, how we make out as a human race is going to depend, I think, on how many join the good side.
	And if you were to press me to the wall and ask me which way it's going right now, I wouldn't give you a very positive answer.
	All right, back to the lines, wild card line.
	You are on the air.
	Hi.
	Art?
	Oh, you have hum.
	Yeah, there's Art.
	Yeah, I gotta... I gotta...
	Heck of a hum.
	I don't know what I can do.
	Is it too much?
	It is, yeah.
	It's too much.
	Okay, well let me switch to another phone.
	I'll try and reach you later then.
	How about that?
	Alright, I'll look forward to that.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, that was terrible.
	That's terrible.
	Boy, I wonder... Well, it's probably a portable phone.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Morning, Art.
	How's it going?
	It's going.
	Yeah, it's Bishop74 again.
	Okay.
	And I had an interesting question.
	Good.
	Alright, if God is 7, the Devil is 6, and Man is 5, well, who are 4, 3, 2, and 1?
	No, I don't know.
	Well, I don't have the answer for it either, but if anyone would like to take a guess, I'm more than willing to hear it.
	Okay, maybe somebody will endeavor to take a guess.
	Great!
	Alright, we'll see you later.
	First of all, I don't know that God and the devil and so on are those numbers, so I wouldn't endeavor to know what would occupy the lower numbers, but we're probably zeroes.
	You know, all of us walking around down here, zeroes.
	We'll be right back.
	And I know a couple of minuses too.
	Thank you.
	1, 2, 3, 4 I think I know a minus two and maybe a minus three and a...
	One minus four.
	Shining Island, the lights are low.
	Looking out far, safe to go.
	Where the pleasure of life can be seen.
	Getting in the dream, you come to know the first thing.
	Shining Island, the lights are low.
	Looking out far, safe to go.
	Where the pleasure of life can be seen.
	Getting in the dream, you come to know the first thing.
	Getting in the dream, you come to know the first thing.
	Shining Island, the lights are low.
	Looking out far, safe to go.
	Hey-ya-hey-ya-ho.
	Hey-ya-hey-ya-ho.
	Hey-ya-hey-ya-hey-ya-ho.
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	This is Coast to Coast AM from the Kingdom of Nye.
	Uh, east of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	How you doing?
	How am I doing?
	I'm doing okay.
	Oh, boy, I can't believe I got you on this.
	I sound like everybody else.
	My name's Mark from Wichita.
	Yes, Mark.
	Did I tell you something on a different show like 4 Years Coming Out?
	Yes.
	In which you got Jared Northam on?
	I do, yes.
	Some guy was saying that in Pennsylvania they said they'd solved the Y2K problem.
	Have they now?
	That's what I heard.
	Really?
	How did they do it?
	I don't know, he said he had called the computer managing place up there and they said that it was so that they had like 98% of their computers fixed.
	All over Pennsylvania?
	You mean in the entire state?
	That's what I heard.
	That's remarkable.
	He gave the number, I didn't quite get it, but he said something about the computer managing place in Pennsylvania, I guess Philadelphia.
	I see.
	That's very interesting, yes.
	I'll just pass that on, maybe check it out with Gary North coming on tomorrow.
	Alright, well we'll check it out, thank you.
	If anybody knows how they have fixed the computers, or if they have in Pennsylvania, why we'd of course like to know about it.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
	Hi, I fell?
	Yes.
	My name is Ruth, calling from Santa Barbara.
	Yes, Ruth.
	Listen to you on AM 90 KSB.
	Right.
	I've been trying to reach you for several days, especially regarding the Russian attempt with the second moon.
	Yes.
	And I was just really shocked when I heard that, but not necessarily surprised, because I dreamed that about six weeks ago.
	You did?
	And it was so, it was so strange.
	I mentioned it to My oldest son and he said well that's really bizarre mom you know you have some really interesting dreams but this is you know the most interesting yet and I live about a mile from the beach in Santa Barbara and in the dream I was a dream that I was awakened and went out into the street where all the neighbors were and you know there was this huge bright moon in the sky and everyone was saying
	What happened to the moon?
	You know, what's wrong?
	It looks like it's going to fall right into the street.
	And someone said, no, that's the second moon.
	And then someone else pointed out our own moon, you know, much dimmer and smaller off in another direction.
	Well, I guess if you can dream it, it can come true.
	But the interesting thing is that we were all talking that we would have to leave because There was water coming down the street.
	Now, what does that have to do with the moon?
	Well, we were talking about it in the dream.
	We were out in the street saying, you know, is it a tsunami or what is it?
	And someone else said, no, it has to do with the tide.
	Huh.
	And had to do, now I don't know, you know, I know the moon's gravitational.
	poland it's like a review of the that's because it has mass now that i have any
	i know but you see uh...
	the uh... things the russians would put up would have no mass that speak of
	well at all so they they wouldn't have any medication that's right
	i'm aware that but i thought it was kind of interesting connection between that
	the rising water in the evacuation and uh... the second moon
	Then, on the other hand, maybe, you see, we're wrong, and maybe your dream is right, and maybe it is not gravitational pull, and everything we have thought is wrong, and when they put more light up there, why, we'll all get flooded out by oceans that will be, um, washing ashore.
	Not only from the new light, but from the melting glaciers.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
	This is Allen from Augusta on WGAC 580 AM.
	Yes, sir.
	I've been checking up on the, uh, Rogue Market.
	Yes.
	Seems there's about three people that keep trying to drive the prices back up.
	I've noticed that every time that it stops working, it's after they've been hitting it really heavy.
	Yeah, it's been a mess, hasn't it?
	Yeah.
	I just finished dumping all of mine.
	Good for you.
	And that's what I recommend everybody do until they manage to get it fixed.
	We're giving up on it.
	What I'm trying to do is to get people who have bought my stock as a result of what I said to recover their money and get out until they fix it.
	Yeah, that's what I did, basically.
	I actually waited, watching for the three people who keep hitting it every night to start hitting real big, and then I sold it all.
	Well, I'm glad that you got out safely.
	Yeah, I still came up out ahead.
	Good for you.
	You take care, and good luck, and that's what I advise everybody.
	If you're holding any of my stock on the road market, if you're able to get in at all, cash in, take your money, and run.
	And one of these days, they'll get it fixed, and then we'll play again.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Mark.
	Good morning.
	Leonard, I'm calling from Tucson.
	Hi, Leonard.
	Yeah, I have a few sad comments.
	Then I have a theory on a conspiracy.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	First of all, Sam Neill, everyone knows he's the Antichrist.
	Who?
	Sam Neill.
	I don't know who that is.
	No, the actor.
	Remember the Damien movies?
	Oh yes.
	Okay.
	And you and I have some things in common.
	I'm a registered libertarian.
	I have been for 13 years.
	And I had a 428 Curvajet Mach 1 and I heard you mention it one night.
	No kidding.
	Yeah.
	And I also had an isolation tank back in the mid-70s.
	And you were talking about flying.
	There's a foolproof aircraft that anyone can fly with only about a half hour of room, you know, just taking the course.
	And, uh, you can fly solo your first flight, and that's a powered parachute.
	A pow... Yeah, I've seen them.
	Yeah.
	And, uh, a friend of mine is a dealer, and they've had over 100,000 flights, and there's only been two fatalities.
	And both of those were due to pilot error, and another guy had made his own aircraft, and... Well, now, wait a minute.
	Only two fatalities.
	Now... Now, that kind of ruins the completely safe... Well, that's true.
	That's true.
	I'd like to talk to you about this on another program, but about a week or so ago you had a gentleman on there talking about the military of the old Soviet Union being Russia now and how their military establishment is still going strong and now this thing with these huge mirrors that they are using to Well, you know what I think?
	I think that we could use some of our Star Wars technology that I know damn well we have developed and break them and give the Russians seven years of bad luck for each one we knock down.
	Well, you know, they can use this also to direct labor beams.
	And they're doing it right over the Antarctic to shine light on Siberia.
	Great idea.
	Let's do that and just melt them and raise sea levels 20 feet.
	Great idea.
	By the way, John writes the following to me, Art, with regard to our being run by a machine, we all Are already.
	It is called government.
	Wild Card Line, you're on air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	Yes.
	How you doing?
	This is Darren Cullen.
	Darren, turn your radio off.
	Okay.
	Darren Cullen from Reno?
	Yes.
	I just wanted to make a comment.
	The guy that called earlier about the out-of-body experience of possibly seeing somebody sitting next to him on his couch.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Whitley Streber in his book, Transformation.
	Yes.
	Um, in his experiences that he was talking about, that he was doing astral projection, whatever.
	Right.
	That he actually appeared, and you can ask him about this hopefully if you get him on again, that he appeared.
	I'm going to have Whitley on Monday.
	Really, ask him about this.
	In his book, I remember reading that he said that he appeared and saw a lay friend of his that lived near him somewhere, and she actually came to him just by chance and told him about it.
	And so he actually was saying in his book that he saw, or that she saw him.
	She told him she saw him as a misty form.
	And, you know, so I thought that was kind of interesting.
	And, and also I just wanted to ask you about, you know, you sell the Viagra or advertise it?
	No, we don't.
	Okay.
	We sell the alternative to Viagra, the natural alternative to Viagra.
	Okay.
	Um, today I heard that there was this, uh, a friend of mine, First time callers, area 702-727-1222.
	Uh, I just bleeped that out.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't allow Viagra jokes to be told on the show.
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	They're just gross.
	Okay.
	Okay?
	A little too extreme.
	Alright, ask Whitley about that.
	Thank you.
	Alright, take care.
	Yeah, Whitley's going to be on the program Monday.
	Yeah, no Viagra jokes.
	Generally, they're just pretty gross, and so I don't allow them here.
	Go to somebody else's show and tell them they're just gross.
	One night we may talk about Viagra, but we'll have a serious talk about it.
	And or other things that claim to do the same thing as one of our sponsors does.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Ed in Alaska.
	Hello, Ed.
	Yeah, I was thinking, you know, if the Russians put those mirrors up there, then you're going to have to change your advertisement from we own the night to the Russians own the night.
	You're right.
	But I was wondering what you thought about the missile testing today, yesterday.
	Well, you know, the late word I got Was that, uh, it did not complete its trajectory.
	Now, the early word right after the test was that it had successfully been tested.
	Late word was, the trajectory was not successfully completed.
	So it was not a successful test.
	Uh, so Israel doesn't have to be quite as, uh, upset then?
	Well, not yet.
	I mean, Iran, for example, would have to be sure that the missile would make it from Iran to Israel.
	Because, of course, if it more or less went straight up and back down again, you can see the problem.
	Oh, I see.
	Okay, well, thanks.
	Appreciate it.
	You bet.
	Take care.
	Or even if it, you know, did take a ballistic course of some sort, but didn't make it to Israel, and came back down in Iran, the Iranian people probably would be very unhappy.
	Western Rockies, you're on the air.
	There you are.
	Hey, sir!
	Down in Phoenix.
	Yes.
	I just wanted to let you know and tell that woman in Alabama that the Salton Sea smells worse than that cow pasture she's in.
	Well, but being used to the cows, maybe the Salton Sea would be just, you know, alright.
	Yeah, and besides that, it's less than 20 feet below sea level.
	Well, that's something she should keep in mind.
	Yeah.
	Hey, I just wanted to welcome you to the wonderful world of people who have experienced OBE.
	Boy, it is something.
	I know how exhilarating it is, and I'm really happy for you.
	I've wanted to tell you before not to be afraid, but it doesn't do any good, right?
	Not a bit.
	Yeah, you gotta experience it before you really know what it's about.
	This was completely spontaneous, unexpected, unplanned for.
	I won't say unwelcome.
	It was very welcome.
	But boy, what a surprise.
	Holy mackerel.
	Yeah.
	And there is no evil over there.
	You know, this fella that said, Mike, only evil is in the minds of men, physically.
	Well, I certainly didn't feel any evil.
	I've never felt any that was over there.
	And I wanted to ask that fella a question.
	In fact, if that was evil, I'll take some more.
	Yeah, damn right.
	Well, he answered one of my questions when he said that he always felt there was somebody with him, like a guide or something like that, you know?
	I didn't feel that.
	Well, you weren't there very long.
	No, I wasn't.
	Yeah, but he'll get better, I'll tell you that.
	And I do believe that you're experiencing the space or dimension where what we call the dead are, because I've been there.
	And what'll really blow your mind is when they ask you to bring a message back.
	That would blow my mind.
	Yeah.
	But it's a very wonderful thing, and I'm so happy for you.
	And still love your show.
	Thank you, my friend.
	Hang in there, buddy.
	Take care.
	It was a wonderful thing.
	There was nothing negative about it.
	It was... Well, I'm going to stop talking about it.
	It was just remarkable.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Art.
	This is Phil from Central Illinois.
	Yes, sir.
	Just had a couple quick items if I could run by you on Linda Howe's report the other night about the TWA-800 flight.
	Yes.
	She sets up about Wallace Island copying a transient.
	That's correct.
	Okay, and then I guess the civilian place couldn't verify it.
	Of course, they didn't have the equipment.
	That's correct.
	I'm just curious if there's any way she can get a hold of their printout or whatever, because you know as well as I do, being a ham, that everything has a spectral signature.
	Sure.
	So we ought to be able, if she could get her hands on that, I would think... Well, I thought there was a fair amount of evidence, not only that they definitely recorded the transient, you heard the report, but that Aircraft that were also in the vicinity ended up reporting electrical difficulties and failed systems.
	Yeah, wasn't that a military plane that was having a problem?
	I think it was a P-3, yeah.
	Yeah, see, I think they may have been testing something.
	The P-3 was supposed to be there and maybe something went off course, you know.
	Maybe something disrupted the TWA 800.
	Anything's possible.
	Hey, one more quick thing, and I know I'm running out of time.
	On UFOs and folding space, I get so tired of hearing these scientists say, no, you can't go faster than light, so they can't be traveling all the way to here, to Earth.
	You know folding space is possible.
	Well, no, I don't.
	I know that the best Theoretical minds in America say that it probably is possible.
	Like Michio Kaku?
	That's correct.
	Well, the reason I brought that up was, you know, when you get some of these guys who report on Area 51 being in the saucers, they say, well, they've got no food there, they've got no water there, they've got no conveniences there.
	Well, let me ask you something.
	If you could fold space and go to Australia to go to your favorite deli, Get there in two minutes.
	Would you take water?
	Would you take food?
	Would you take a bathroom with you?
	That's right.
	Listen, if only that could be.
	You have no idea how tired I am of spending time on 747s, by 8 or 9 or 10 or 11 hours, or if it's South Africa, 18 hours in one direction and 24 hours on the other.
	eleven hours or if it's south africa eighteen hours in one direction and
	twenty four hours on the other that ruins your day
	yeah i'm just waiting for a little folding I'm all for it.
	I think it makes you appreciate it, too.
	I know that eight-hour flight for you to Paris must have made you really appreciate it when you got there.
	Oh, man, I smoked a cigarette.
	And listen, I'm smoking one now.
	Tell everybody good night.
	Hey, thanks, Art.
	You've got a great show, and we're here in central Illinois, WTAZ.

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