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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Whitley Strieber - UFO Phenomena

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	Welcome to Art Bell.
	more in time.
	Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM, from July 27, 1998.
	From the high desert of the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, or good morning, as the case may be across all these many diverse time zones, stretching commercially from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands, out west eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S.
	Virgin Islands, south into South America, North all the way to the pole and worldwide on the internet.
	This is Coast to Coast AM and I'm Art Bell.
	Good morning.
	I've got something kind of special for you tonight.
	Many of you may recall that I've been promising to do something that nobody else has done and I have done it.
	Tonight is a first.
	We have taken my normal studio cam that you can see on the internet that shows photographs of me doing the show during the show.
	And we have connected it to, get this, a night vision scope.
	And all of this has been mounted outside the house, and is presently looking at the northwestern dark sky.
	And what you will see, if you check out my studio cam in the next couple of hours or so, is a live shot that will refresh every 30 seconds.
	Now, bear in mind that in the direction this camera is pointed, is the infamous area 51 now I by no means promise that you will see something unusual or unexplained but every 30 seconds you will get a new photograph and by golly you can see the stars and of course as they blink as the atmosphere changes a little bit you will notice they will move a little bit but as the evening progresses who knows what you might see on that camera
	All right, Whitley Strever is going to be here, and we're going to be discussing the state of the environment along with a lot of other things.
	And so I thought you'd want to hear this.
	Mount Etna appears to be building to a big eruption, as well as Popo down in Mexico, and rumblings going on in the Northwest.
	In fact, worldwide, the volcanoes appear about ready to erupt.
	Let me read you about it.
	One of the newly formed craters on the southeast slopes of Mount Etna lights up the night sky during a current spate of activity which volcanologists warn could herald a serious new eruption.
	The activity inside Europe's tallest and most active volcano in Sicily has continued for several days now and two new craters have formed inside the cone.
	So, Mount Etna may be about to go.
	All over the world right now, volcanoes are getting ready to go.
	ago. This is something we're going to discuss with Whitley Streber shortly.
	Now let's go back to the night of July 27th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	On July 27th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time,
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	All right, now comes Whitley Strieber.
	Whitley has been a guest on the program many times, and I suspect will be many times in the future.
	Whitley is one of the more unusual people that you're ever going to meet.
	Whitley has had contact with, what's the right phrase, extraterrestrial beings of light, extradimensional beings, We're not exactly sure, but I'm sure he can tell us.
	Whitley, welcome to the program.
	Glad to be here, Art.
	Where in the world are you, Whitley?
	I'm in Los Angeles.
	You're in L.A.?
	In L.A., yeah.
	What are you doing in L.A.?
	Well, I'm working on a special for NBC, actually.
	Well, actually, I suppose we ought to tell the audience.
	NBC is sitting here in my studio right now.
	Right.
	Got this great big camera pointed at me.
	I'm not used to that.
	I'm a radio person.
	I have a face made for radio, not television.
	No, I wouldn't say that.
	I would.
	Anyway, Woodley, we are, I guess, going to be in a special.
	Maybe you could tell the audience, when is it going to be?
	Well, it hasn't been scheduled.
	It's finally scheduled yet.
	It's going to be somewhere between November and February.
	All right.
	As soon as we get it finished, it'll also be scheduled, or nearly finished.
	All right.
	More importantly, what is it going to be all about?
	Well, it's called Confirmation, and it's based on my book.
	It's a two-hour special, and it's going to cover the whole gamut of the UFO experience.
	All right, confirmation is a real change from communion.
	Communion was about experiences that you had that do bear repeating, but confirmation, if I understand your book correctly, is a collection of evidence that would convince even the most hardened skeptic Hard evidence.
	Is that correct?
	It is hard evidence, and that's why, for example, it has hardly been reviewed or even mentioned at all in the press, and yet sold so well.
	Because the book just lays it out in a very calm and clear way, what the hard evidence is.
	And as you go through this evidence, it becomes completely overwhelming.
	Not only is there something strange unfolding in our skies, Part of it has to do with our classic idea of UFOs and spaceships, but it goes way beyond that.
	This same experience is unfolding in our lives and in our bodies in the form of implants and these extraordinary experiences that people keep having.
	I recall on a recent program that you brought your surgeon on the air.
	And he talked about trying to remove an implant that, by the way, you still, I guess, have in your ear.
	I still do, yes.
	And he described to me taking the scalpel and going in, and going after that implant, and when he got to it, the damn thing moved.
	Yes.
	And I guess he totally freaked out.
	And so he decided, no, it's not going to get the best of me.
	He went further in, he got to the implant again, and it moved again.
	That's right.
	And at this point he said, look, we're not going to rip your ear apart.
	We're going to close you back up.
	Is that about the way it went?
	That's exactly how it went.
	And the video of that will be part of the special, by the way.
	My wife made a video of it because we hadn't really, to be honest, told him very much about it, except that it was irritating me.
	Because when I slept on it at night, my ear would get sore and it would wake me up, and he felt it and quite casually said, Oh, it's a little cyst.
	I'll gladly take it out for you.
	But he knew.
	I mean, he was aware of communion and all of this, and so he was wary.
	He kept saying, You know, this isn't an implant, is it?
	And I said, Oh, I'm not sure.
	I don't think so.
	Maybe.
	Could be.
	And so when he opened the thing up, There was this long silence and on the video you see him just staring in there and he finally says it's a white disc.
	A white disc?
	Yeah.
	What would a white disc be doing in your ear?
	Well, I can tell you exactly what happened the night it went into my ear.
	I can't tell you what it does though.
	Well, that was going to be my next question.
	In other words, what the hell are these implants anyway?
	Well, I'd like to know myself, because I've got one I can't get rid of.
	And you also occasionally have an episode where your ear will suddenly heat up, don't you?
	Yes, that's right.
	It heats up and turns red, and I was very I had the remarkable experience of, I was in the process of describing this to a scientist who was very, very interested in the subject.
	And while I was describing it, it turned on and it made a whining sound and got hot and he watched my ear turn bright red right before his eyes.
	His comments?
	He was flabbergasted.
	He could feel the heat in the ear.
	He said we don't have any Real means of measuring the temperature difference.
	Because, you know, we weren't in a medical facility.
	We were in a material plant.
	And now, are you going to try and have it taken out again, or are you going to leave at this point well enough alone?
	Did it move away from me, away from the scalpel, for my safety?
	Because something would happen to me if it came out, or for its own.
	I can't answer that question, Art.
	Right now, I just recently had another discussion with the doctor about it.
	He said, we need to know more about these things before we go after something that is as active as this is.
	He said on that show, it was not something that was familiar to him from his experience of medicine at all.
	Do you have any, have you come to any conclusion, Whitley, about why people are abducted, why people are being abducted?
	Well, my best guess is that it has to do with a lot of different things.
	There are lots of reasons for it.
	And it is, in my opinion, probably the most fundamentally important thing that's happening right now.
	I also suspect that it's happening to many, many more people than are aware of it.
	I think the ones who notice it are kind of freaks.
	We're sort of... Classify yourself that way, really?
	Yeah, we're the ones whose defense mechanisms are kind of broken because you find among us a lot of people who have had other kinds of traumas.
	Especially traumas that involve a total dislocation of reality, like being in major accidents, or having severe diseases and near-death experiences, or being victims of abuse of different kinds, or of attacks.
	We're people whose cosmic eggs have been cracked.
	Woodley, I had a caller last hour.
	You probably heard him.
	Yeah, I did hear him.
	Who said that he thought you were possibly subject to flights of imagination and suggestion.
	No, I would never.
	I've never suggested otherwise.
	I would think that imagination would play a large role in the experience of anyone who has a life like mine where I spend a lot of my time trying to cope with things that often with experiences that don't even have words to describe it.
	Okay, but you didn't imagine gas cans in your house.
	Oh, listen, there is a line to be drawn here.
	For example, let me be very clear about this.
	In my books, I do not let my imagination creep in.
	I work hard to prevent that, and I'm skilled at it.
	My imagination is a tool I use in the writing of the fiction, not in the writing of the fact.
	As extraordinary and as strange as the factual books are, those are as close to what really happened to me as I am able to
	communicate and I can tell the difference between my imagination and what is real
	around me.
	I'm quite skilled at that and have become more skilled over the years because my mind
	has been challenged to the limit in this area.
	All right, there are several items that I would like to ask you about.
	One is, you sort of teased me with this, and I know that it's going to be part of the special that's coming up.
	It is as follows, a UFO case that apparently has been cracked by researchers.
	Yes.
	Which we're going to have on this program.
	Tell me, if you would, give me the one-on-one story here.
	Okay, I can't tell you exactly which case it is.
	But it's a case that's about a few years old.
	And what happened basically was we were looking through old cases and thinking which would be a case that we could go after again.
	Sure.
	And there are two or three others besides this one.
	But we decided to go after this one because this is a highly dramatic case involving dozens of people There's lots of records of what happened moment by moment.
	It's recorded in various different ways.
	It's an extraordinary case.
	Okay, so it's a well-documented case from a witness perspective.
	From a witness perspective.
	With a lot of official witnesses and so forth, but no one would come forward.
	No one would talk about it in public at all.
	And what we basically did was, we got them to come forward and declare themselves.
	Really?
	That will be really a first.
	I think it's going to blow a few minds when it gets on the air.
	It's going to be very exciting.
	We've got recreations that are going to be Steve Neal, the special effects artist who is also an abductee,
	is doing models and so forth.
	I think we're going to have a very high level of...
	Proof?
	Of skill in doing the recreations and so forth.
	How about a proof?
	In other words, is it going to be conclusive enough that it will approach confirmation?
	Well, that's the idea of the show.
	I think everything in the show points in that direction, yes.
	Alright, I want to turn for a second to something else.
	You wouldn't believe what I've got in front of me.
	Mount Etna is beginning to explode.
	Mount Etna, they are now saying, It looks like it's going to erupt.
	Good old Popo down in Mexico is about to go.
	Yes.
	In front of me I've got the headline, Indonesia volcano spurs evacuations.
	Jakarta.
	They're evacuating now.
	More than 3,000 people from nearby villages.
	Mexico issues warning on volcano.
	A good old Popo they think is about to let go.
	An 18,000 foot volcano.
	All over the world, volcanoes are getting ready.
	Even in our American Northwest, they're beginning to have rumblings that indicate something is going on.
	Volcanism worldwide is about to let go.
	What's going on?
	Well, I think that the people who were stopping at the Millennium were wrong, frankly.
	I mean, I was one of them at one point.
	I was saying to myself, well... Millennium Madness?
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, why would the change of the calendar in one particular religion make a difference?
	But it's actually deeper than that.
	It's very, very deep, this change in the calendar that's happening, because... Let me explain to you something that's... This is virtually unknown, but The birth of Christ and the re-measurement of calendars.
	At the time that Christ was born, in the ancient world, there were seven or eight calendars running.
	Yes.
	At the time.
	But by the 5th century AD, the whole western world was on one calendar.
	And this calendar was not simply measuring from the birth of Christ, it was also measuring In a much older calendrical system, from the beginning of the age of Pisces, which coincided with Christ's birth.
	This is why the most ancient symbol of Christ is the fish.
	Are you suggesting that our present calendar, with reference to the birth of Christ, may not be accurate?
	Oh, it's quite accurate.
	But it's a much bigger scale calendar than people think.
	Because we have actually gone back on 2000 years ago, Somebody who had to do with the birth of Christ put us back on the astrological calendar, and the symbol of Christ, the fish, became the symbol of this age of Pisces that we have just gone through.
	Now, the change of age that's taking place now is not just reaching the millennium, the second millennium after the birth of Christ.
	It is also the beginning of the age of Aquarius.
	In other words, We were replaced on the astrological calendar 2,000 years ago.
	Explain to me what Aquarius means.
	I guess I've seen movies that would suggest Aquarius is the beginning of a cycle of peace and tranquility, and maybe I'm all wet about that.
	What does the age of Aquarius mean?
	The bright side of Aquarius is the period of freedom.
	The dark side is, of course, chaos.
	Well, which one is coming?
	There's an important distinction here.
	I don't know.
	I have a feeling that somehow or another mankind is going to get through this, but it's going to be tough.
	I think it's going to get worse before it gets better, Whitley.
	Yeah, I agree with you, Art.
	Uh, what we've been talking about, you know, we've been talking about the heat wave in the United States.
	Do you know there was also... Did you hear about 104 in Vancouver?
	Well, how about 126 in New Delhi a few months ago, in May?
	Well, I live in an area where hundreds are normal, but Vancouver, BC, 104 degrees, not even close.
	It's mind-boggling.
	Also, another thing, I don't know if you've noticed this, but if you have your own You will find them generally going up a few degrees or sometimes more than a few degrees higher than is being reported by the weather show.
	Oh, you think that the reporting is not necessarily accurate then?
	Well, I don't think that they're reporting these from the right places, or maybe they're just shaving a few notches off so that they won't scare people.
	Shaving degrees?
	Yes, so that they won't scare people.
	We also have these changes taking place in the ocean, this cold area in the Gulf that has appeared.
	That is virtually, I am told, devoid of life.
	Can you imagine that?
	An area of the ocean completely devoid of life.
	Do you know why that is?
	It's probably water from the abyssal deeps and it's very low oxygen content.
	And preachers that live on the surface can't survive in it.
	Yeah, but why?
	I'll tell you why.
	What I believe is the case is that this is the same thing that has caused the La Niña, the cold, to come up so forcefully in the area where the El Niño was in the Pacific.
	I'll tell you what, I like cliffhangers, and we're at the bottom of the hour.
	So let us talk about this.
	This effect of the age of Aquarius.
	All right?
	Okay.
	All right, stay right where you are.
	Whitley Streber is my guest.
	From the high desert, where it was not quite as hot today as it was in Vancouver, this is Coast to Coast AM.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 27, 1998.
	Age of Aquarius!
	Aquarius!
	Oh, it's a beautiful day out.
	It's a beautiful night.
	Lonely days and a lonely night.
	Take a trip to the city lights.
	It's a long way home.
	Take the long way home You'll never see what you wanna see
	A rubber plane to the gallery Take the long way home
	Take the long way home When you're up one day, you don't want to leave at all.
	Oh, don't get along.
	I know you don't.
	If anyone seems to think you're losing your sanity.
	Oh, it's a fantasy.
	Oh, and forget about me, I'll be gone Then you'll want to think of the rules of society
	Oh, society With an old way out
	Oh, yeah You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time, on Premier
	Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM, from July 27th, 1998.
	Whitley Strieber is with us this morning, and we are sort of doing a bit of a radio tease version of what's going to be on NBC sometime in all probability this fall or so.
	A special.
	And it's going to be about all the things we talk about.
	All the things we talk about with Whitley.
	All the things that are happening all around us.
	Including climate change.
	We'll get back to that in a moment.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM, from July 27th, 1998.
	Alright, once again, of communion fame, and now confirmation fame, here is Whitley Strieber.
	Uh, Whitley, I have recently decided that I am not going to play the political game.
	Actually, I've been playing it for a long time now.
	Al Gore talks about global warming, and he raises the hackles on the back of any right-winger across this great nation.
	So I'm not going to use that term because it implies, it carries too much political baggage with it.
	I've decided to use a term supplied by one of my listeners, Which is climatic discontinuity.
	Well, I think it's actually in many ways a better term, because it's ironic that global warming is likely to bring extraordinary cooling to certain areas of the Earth.
	It'll be one, then the other.
	Well, yeah, exactly.
	Now, the pendulum is swinging faster and faster, and I understand that you have made some sort of discovery with regard to A fossil record that would prove some sort of climactic discontinuity in the past.
	What have you found?
	Well, I haven't.
	It's not really my discovery, but it's just a fascinating discovery that's been made about, well, let me set the scene.
	Let's go back.
	We talk about time travel at the top of the show.
	That's right.
	Let's travel in our minds back a long distance.
	All right.
	Before the dinosaurs.
	We'll go way back.
	250 million years ago, an almost unimaginable length of time.
	The old earth was still here.
	We're going to go to a place called, that's now called the Karoo Desert in South Africa.
	It's, today, it's a bleak, dreary desert, populated largely by flies and vultures.
	But 250 million years ago, It was below the Antarctic Circle and it was warm and lush and full of all kinds of extraordinary creatures.
	How do we know that?
	Because we can find the fossils.
	The Karoo has been, since that age, the Karoo has been very dry and not populated by many animals with the result that it is one of the world's great treasure troves of fossils.
	Many of these creatures, Dicynodonts and all kinds of The creatures with funny names that you don't often hear are the predecessors.
	Lystrosaurus, the other Thorapsids, are the predecessors of the mammals of today.
	Which means, though, what for us?
	Well, what befell them and why there was, at the end of the Permian, the most intense extinction that has ever been recorded.
	Some of these creatures survived, The great majority of living things in the sea and on land died.
	89.9% of all creatures living on the earth at that time died.
	So then do you theorize we have been through many extinction cycles?
	Oh sure we have.
	Remember a recent movie that talked about an extinction level event?
	Yes.
	You think they occur on some sort of regular cyclical Well, I don't know whether or not it's regular and cyclical, but what I do know is that what's recently been discovered is apparently what happened then was a result of the kind of climactic discontinuity that we're at the beginning stages of right now.
	Now, there's a comforting statement.
	Yeah.
	Well, the reason was this.
	As the planet had warmed steadily, the oceans became stagnant.
	In other words, what happens is, at first, there is an intensification in the circulation of the oceans, where the warm water and the cold water begin to change places more and more rapidly, which is what we're seeing now.
	We sure are.
	The net effect of that is the overall temperature of the ocean ends up to be quite level, and There's no more currents moving or anything.
	But the scientists would say this is normal.
	We've had El Nino and La Nina.
	It's opposite for years.
	It's not like this.
	Not like this.
	I quite agree.
	I quite agree.
	It is a profound change.
	And so you're saying that all of this is building toward what?
	Well, what they find among these fossils is You mean like we might have to do someday?
	Well, we've got something that they don't have.
	They didn't have.
	where they had literally dug down into the earth to escape the heat and died there.
	You mean like we might have to do someday?
	Well we've got something that they don't have.
	They didn't have.
	We've got a lot more going on between our ears and we better use that stuff real hard.
	Or we're going to end up in the same place they did.
	There are a lot of people that are talking about that sort of thing.
	I had a caller last hour before you came on the air who said he was digging a deep hole.
	And I said, for what?
	I was struck by that.
	And so people seem to move toward that.
	Do you think, Whitley, that it's millennium madness?
	Or do you think that people are sensing a real event that lies ahead?
	And instinctually, they're sort of burrowing and digging in.
	You can measure the changes.
	It's too obvious.
	The situation with the weather.
	Some years ago, I read a study, I mean this was quite a number of years ago, in the late 70s, which theorized that if we began to see temperature increases on the order of half a degree a year, That would mean that we were in a runaway global warming situation.
	A runaway weather discontinuity.
	And we saw that very amount of increase last year.
	And the way this year is looking, it's going to be even more.
	On Friday, July 3rd, the largest eruption of Montserrat since December of 1997 occurred.
	And I'm beginning, you know, geologists say, look, volcanoes cannot possibly be connected.
	And I think they're full of it.
	I mean, I look around the world right now, and they're all going at once.
	Now, how can that be an accident?
	I don't believe in that much synchronicity.
	Do you?
	No, it's obvious that there's something going on with the interior of the planet.
	And I personally, you know, we just, we really You know, we have such wonderful science, but in one respect, we seem to just live in the dark ages, and that is, we've never been able to get enough different scientific disciplines together to where they could work together to understand the total picture
	Well enough to predict what's going to happen next.
	That's because they don't want their little paradigm spoiled.
	Exactly.
	And that's why Art Bell gets people calling up saying in open lines, I'm digging a hole.
	I'm getting ready.
	They don't necessarily know for what, but they know something is coming.
	I wonder, my own personal thought is that maybe there's some kind of a connection between the Unquiet Sun and all the volcanism on the planet.
	It's a very unusual time.
	There's all of this volcanism.
	There is a great decline, as you talked about in the first hour, in earthquake activity, but which I add is punctuated, is being punctuated by a lot of very sharp, short, and in some cases real dangerous earthquakes, such as the one that hit off the coast of Sumatra and killed Thousands of people with the tidal wave a few days ago.
	Then there's one more thing.
	We've got the weather changes, we've got the volcanoes, and we've got around all these things all kinds of UFO sightings.
	A lot of UFO activity and a lot of it seems to be concentrated in areas where There are dramatic changes taking place, like, for example, in Mexico.
	You know, it's interesting that Jaime Masan, the great Mexican journalist who has chronicled the UFO events down there so amazingly over the past seven or eight years, also was the last newsman to go into the crater of Pope Caterpillar.
	And he was there because he lived there.
	He's doing research on all of the UFOs that have been seen around the mountain.
	I don't think I would do that.
	Well, no one can do it anymore.
	He was literally the last journalist who was able to go that far, and now not even volcanologists can go up into the top of the crater.
	Anyway, here's a question that the gentleman who are here right now asked me before the show, and I think it's appropriate to ask right now.
	Since we've got UFOs being seen near volcanoes, Seen when there are eclipses.
	Seen near earthquake sites.
	Some conclude that, you know, just before something massive occurs, they're going to sweep down and save our butts.
	I don't think so.
	Oh, you don't?
	I don't think so either.
	And I think it's a lot of wishful thinking.
	Right.
	We're going to live through this, and mainly Our kids.
	Some of us will.
	Well, I just think of the children and all of these wonderful, miraculous children all around the world.
	Some of them are miraculous.
	Many of them are.
	Some of them are without souls, Woodley.
	We're having a group of children born now that are of two distinct different stripes.
	One group is very much more in tune with Earth, very much more spiritual.
	And another almost appears without soul, without reverence or caring for life, and willing to take it in an instant.
	And so these are two very diverse roads.
	And I sit here and I wonder, which will prevail?
	Well, you know, when I go out on my author tours, every once in a while a family will show up with a child, a special child.
	And there are children out there that are really almost like a new kind of human being.
	Yeah, a lot of people call them different things.
	I've heard them called Millennium Children.
	They're wonderful.
	Yes, I've heard them called many things, and you're absolutely right.
	They may save the day, or they may face the day when they will suffer along with the rest of us.
	I'm not sure which.
	I'm just a talk show host, I don't know.
	Well, I've been face-to-face with some of these children and they really are incredible.
	They are beyond anything I ever expected to see in my life.
	I've had experiences with three or four of them that were just absolutely amazing.
	Alright, there has been a recent wave of UFO activity Over Florida.
	What's going on down there, anyway?
	Well, I mean, obviously, there were all the fires.
	The UFO activity was trailed off during the period of the fires, but it was so polluted, just like it was over Mexico, having the thought that we don't have the activity because we can't see anything.
	Well, that's where I was going.
	In other words, Florida, of course, was heavily affected by the Mexican fires, and so... Well, and then its own fires.
	So, was there really...
	Less UFO activity, or simply was it so smoky that nobody could see the sky?
	Probably so smoky that no one could see the sky.
	Another outburst of... Someone sent me a clipping from the Pensacola newspaper just a few days ago.
	There was just been another outburst of UFO activity in that area, which is just not too far north of where the strange water formation is in the Gulf.
	So it seems to an extent that there is UFO activity around, almost like it's pointing to places where there's some kind of special situation or special danger going on.
	Right.
	And that is what causes people to conclude that they're going to come and save our asses.
	And I don't believe it.
	I don't believe it.
	I think that they are watching us.
	They are monitoring us.
	And much like God suggests we have free will, they're going to allow us to have free will, too.
	And if we depend on them to come and save us, we'll be sorry.
	Yeah, I think that's right.
	I think that my impression of the visitors, as I understand them, is that it would be a very hard thing for us if that happened, if something like that happened.
	To be saved under those circumstances, I think you might be better off being left behind.
	Yeah, exactly.
	We've got to remember, it could go either way.
	Now, there are two alien types to think about.
	One is that depicted, you recall, in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
	A warm, fuzzy little guy that you'd want to take home and put in your closet with your stuffed animals, right?
	The other was in ID4, Independence Day.
	I've never met him.
	I've never encountered visitors that weren't tough as nails.
	Well, what I liked about that movie was the hard bit in the beginning.
	Remember, those aliens, they didn't want to make deals with us.
	They didn't want our minerals.
	They didn't want Earth women.
	They wanted us dead.
	That's all they wanted.
	Well, it's not obvious that that's what these losers want or we'd probably already be dead.
	There's nothing obvious about them exactly.
	No.
	Yet.
	But there are a couple of things that I've been told or that I've heard from them that are sort of germane to what we're talking about right now.
	Not every encounter you've had, you've had a recent one, haven't you?
	Well, I'm going to try to talk about it later tonight.
	It happened on June 6th.
	June 6th?
	And it was really the ultimate encounter.
	I mean, I was totally, completely conscious and awake when it happened.
	The ultimate encounter?
	Oh, in that sense?
	In my life, yeah.
	I mean, my encounters have, for the most part, been very brief and pretty enigmatic.
	How would you characterize, briefly before we get into the story, how would you characterize this one on June 6th?
	It was like being with an ordinary person.
	In other words, it didn't have any sense of dream about it at all.
	It was a straightforward meeting.
	Communication?
	Yeah, there was a lot.
	I took notes.
	Telepathic?
	Not to my knowledge, but there was... Vocal?
	Yes.
	Were you able to ask questions?
	Yes.
	Did you get answers?
	Yes, I did.
	Oh my.
	Well, we do have quite a story here, don't we?
	Yeah, I think so.
	Were they answers that, if I were to hear them now, I would be comfortable with?
	No.
	That's about as long a pause as you can have in radio without alarms going off.
	That was a no, huh?
	That's a no.
	No, you won't be.
	But we're going to get into that.
	I'm going to try to work through some of that material.
	It's going to be the basis of another, maybe, what could conceivably be my last book.
	You're not making me comfortable here.
	Of another book, because there was something about the way it worked that everything that was said Every word that was said had a kind of freight with it.
	It had, it seems to me, almost an infinity of meanings.
	There were also some words used that I cannot remember.
	Were they words that actually you don't remember or were they words that you do not understand?
	They were sort of like hyper-dimensional words.
	Hyper-dimensional words?
	In other words, you understood you were hearing important or powerful words, but you didn't understand the precise meaning of them, correct?
	Right.
	At the time, I didn't even notice that some of them weren't in English, at least not in English as I understand it.
	But then later, I realized that there were some words that had contained whole, vast, complicated ideas.
	All right, so you're not going to hold back, are you, tonight?
	No.
	You're going to actually tell us the nature of this encounter?
	I'll give you as much detail about it as I possess.
	Okay.
	Stay right there, Whitley.
	My guest is Whitley Streber, an encounter June 6th.
	Will I be happy?
	Will you be happy with what we hear?
	The answer is, he got.
	Uh-huh.
	We'll be right back.
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	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from July 27, 1998.
	This is a teaser for the new episode of Coast to Coast.
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	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from July 27, 1998.
	Good morning everybody.
	Well, NBC is still here, but they have taken themselves outside.
	Now listen, we've got a new feature.
	we've got a new feature
	of a very unusual feature
	but i think it's absolutely totally cool
	What we've got is my studio cam, which as you know sometimes takes outside shots and can take shots of me in here doing the program.
	We now have a studio cam coupled with a night vision scope.
	Occasionally you will see it go black.
	Now it works automatically and when I say automatically I mean When there is any significant amount of light outside, as in when outside lights go on, it automatically turns itself off.
	There is a sensor to protect the night vision scope, which automatically cuts the voltage to the night vision scope and turns it off.
	But during the time, so it'll go totally black, during the time that it is on, you're getting a look at the northwest portion of my sky from here in Pahrump.
	And those little white dots you see are stars.
	Now, it takes a photograph every 30 seconds.
	So I have no way of knowing.
	But one of these, one of these hours, one of these days soon, it's going to take a picture of something pretty odd.
	And I'm sure there's lots of people out there monitoring what's showing up on that studio cam right now.
	So you might, you might Kind of keep your eyes fixed on it for a while and see what you see.
	Because here in Pahrump, every now and then, it's not like it's an hourly event.
	It's not like Old Faithful or anything.
	But we do have some rather odd things in the sky here.
	So you know I've been working on this for a long time and I've got it up now.
	Whitley Streber is my guest.
	He had an encounter with some visitors on June 6th.
	He got to actually communicate vocally with them.
	And that's how much we've found out so far.
	He got to ask questions.
	Prior to the top of the hour, I asked him, if I were to hear the answers to those questions, would I be happy?
	And he said no.
	so in a moment
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	I think now, as we look back, we can probably say with pretty good certainty that some people in government might have been aware of what was going on and they turned their cheek.
	The other way.
	Just to let it happen.
	I also believe that some bigger groups got involved with Al-Qaeda to do what they did on that horrible day.
	This wasn't just a small group of people who came in and did their thing.
	There was a much bigger picture there.
	And if you see the events that have unfolded since this tragedy occurred, how we've lost rights, how we used it to go into Afghanistan and Iraq, and how it has really not stopped.
	Because it's going to continue.
	We're going to have more and more episodes, and more and more involvement in other countries.
	And just mark my word, this planet is going through an incredible change.
	And thank God we've got you here to talk with us about it.
	Now let's go back to the night of July 27th, 1998, on Ark Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Here once again is Whitley Strieber.
	Whitley, welcome back.
	Hi.
	Alright, you had a significant encounter on June 6th.
	Actually, I guess of all the encounters you have had, this must be the most significant.
	Yeah, it was.
	It was.
	It was?
	Absolutely.
	It was the first one where... I've had another encounter where I was in a normal state of consciousness a year ago last October and it only lasted a few seconds,
	not even half a minute.
	But this might have lasted as much as a half hour.
	A half hour?
	And I have the notes in front of me that I...
	Alright, before you go to any notes, and I'm glad you took notes, remember stay close to
	the phone for me.
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	It makes a lot of difference.
	Oh, that's so much better.
	What did this being look like?
	Well what happened was this.
	I was asleep in a hotel room in Toronto.
	Toronto?
	Yeah, in a hotel called the Delta Chelsea Hotel in room 2454.
	I remember it very exactly.
	You're on the air right now in Toronto, so there were people trying to book that room I'm sure now.
	Maybe so, but in any case, there was a knock on the door and for some reason, I thought that I had fallen asleep waiting for room service.
	I jumped up out of the bed, which I normally would not do in the middle of the night, and rushed to the door yelling, Oh, I'm terribly sorry.
	I threw the door open and this man walked in.
	He was not as tall as I was.
	I am.
	he was shorter uh...
	he was uh...
	he'd look He didn't look like an alien at all.
	The reason he looked familiar to me is because the children back in the days when we had
	our cabin in upstate New York used to see this man in the woods a lot, running through
	the woods.
	Once I had some workmen take down some poison ivy that had gotten into some trees and they
	saw him.
	They came up to the house and they said, we're finished.
	We're not going to work here anymore because of that man that's running around out in the
	woods.
	He's weird and he looks like someone out of one of your books.
	He had a rather angular face, but he was like a man in his seventies, about what he looked
	like a small, compact man in his seventies.
	You know, he could have walked down any street.
	He was wearing very dark clothes that night, but if he had been wearing a suit, no one would have taken a second look at him.
	He walked straight down into the room and stood in front of the windows.
	I was at first, I was simply appalled because I thought I had let someone in.
	I had done a very foolish thing.
	But then there was something about him.
	There was something about what was going on.
	I immediately realized that this was some kind of a contact experience, even though it wasn't like any of the others I had had.
	He may have said something in my head or something.
	I don't remember exactly what he did, but I walked over to him and I said, where are you from?
	And he only smiled at me and I felt an extraordinary sense of companionship with this person.
	So I sat down on the edge of the bed and he began talking in a quiet, very It's a very pleasant sort of voice, a very firm voice.
	And he spoke with kind of excessive clarity, like he was afraid I wouldn't be able to understand him.
	With an accent of any kind?
	No, I don't remember.
	Well, I don't say no, I just don't remember.
	It's not something that crossed my mind at the time.
	He said, and it was so plain, he said, your world as you understand it is breaking up.
	Breaking up.
	Breaking up was the phrase.
	Breaking up.
	And this cannot continue as it is.
	The die has already been cast.
	This is finished.
	And when he said, this is finished, it was one of the moments when there seemed to be so much connected with.
	It was as if the whole of history had flashed through my mind.
	Carried on the tone of voice that he used in saying and uttering the words and It was it was just amazing.
	I've never had an experience like that in my life Hearing somebody speak in such a way that their tone of voice carried a whole world with it It was awesome Then he Explain to me, he used an analogy, he said, the fish has been carried in the water and now the urn, I guess he said, will be cast down and broken.
	And I thought to myself, then what happens?
	And he responded immediately to my thought.
	He said, and again this was one of these things, moments when there were words that weren't That were bigger than our words somehow, but I understood it to mean that this was a moment as big in terms of the history of life on our planet as the moment when creatures first walked out of the ocean.
	That we were living through such a moment and that we had been created to survive this moment.
	That most of human history has been spent in a state of two- and three-dimensional consciousness.
	That we are now active in three dimensions, but we're about to leap beyond this and become, in effect, a self-creator.
	You know, did you perchance hear my Dreamland show Sunday?
	No, I did not.
	Dr. Bruce Goldberg was my guest, Willie.
	He's written a book contending that we are being visited by time travelers from our own future.
	That's what the next part of this is about.
	Let me tell you what he said that just resonated with what you said.
	A lot of people may not have heard Dreamland on Sunday.
	He said that we are preparing to transition from the third dimension.
	That's incredible because that's what this is about.
	My whole experience was about the process of that transition.
	You've got to be kidding.
	No, and the role that I would play in it.
	Okay.
	Let me tell you the next thing the man said.
	Absolutely.
	The next thing he said was that we are about to leave this consciousness.
	That we are about to extend human consciousness outside of space and time altogether.
	And he said, you will leave the footprints you now see in the past.
	That it would be not just a spiritual thing, but a physical thing.
	And I said, what footprints?
	And he referred me to a book.
	It's called Forbidden Archaeology, with which I am quite familiar.
	Oh my God.
	I guess I'm a believer in synchronicity, but Dr. Goldberg also talked about Forbidden Archaeology.
	You're kidding!
	Oh no, I'm not kidding.
	You know what he talked about?
	Do you swear to me on a stack of communion books that you didn't hear Sunday's show?
	Well, you know, I'm a very faithful person and I swear to you by the religion in which I believe that I did not.
	He said, let me tell you what he said, let's see if it is synchronistic to you.
	He said that there are things now that have been found that are carbon dated to over 200,000 years ago.
	They have found metal disks that have been carbon dated to 200,000 years ago now.
	These are, and I asked him at the time, I said, couldn't these be from some prior civilization?
	And he said, no, these are things that are from the future that have been left in the past.
	And he referred to forbidden archaeology anyway.
	On page 811 of forbidden archaeology, which by the way I have here and is by Michael Cremo and
	Richard Thompson.
	Right.
	As I say, I'm familiar with it.
	They wrote a shortened version of this book that I believe I may have written a forward to.
	Oh no, another book of theirs called Alien Agenda I wrote a forward to.
	In any case, there on this page is a story of a print of a shoe.
	That was found in Cambrian shale.
	You know how old that is?
	That's 500 million years old.
	There was even a hole in the shoe.
	The stitching around the edges of the shoe is visible in the fossil print.
	Well, you know what I asked him?
	I asked him, couldn't this be from some previous civilization?
	As opposed to being from the future, and he argued strongly against it.
	What do you think?
	From a previous civilization?
	Yeah.
	In other words, that man once previously walked upon Earth, or beings walked upon Earth, and that there was a sort of extinction.
	Five hundred million years ago?
	Yeah, that's what he said.
	Oh, I think there was a previous civilization of some kind here.
	You know, I was just in the Talking with Graham Hancock the other day on the phone.
	Yes.
	Gosh, he's made some fascinating discoveries recently.
	He has a book coming out in the fall and a special on the Learning Channel that basically goes through all of the material that he has found.
	This earth is scattered with the remains of a previous civilization.
	I know it.
	Graham just came back from Okinawa.
	That's right.
	Where he did a dive and now there's another group going back to Okinawa and I guess I'm going to give away a little secret right now.
	We're planning to do the first live internet video from 100 feet underwater off the island of Okinawa.
	Great.
	Oh, I'm excited.
	Can you imagine that?
	That is going to be fabulous.
	And we will synchronistically do a A radio broadcast as well from satellite phone, but we'll have actual video from 100 feet underwater of these pyramids and so forth they've found.
	Well, it'll be, it's an extraordinary thing, the structure there.
	And I'm sure that it's soon going to be dismissed in the conventional press as being natural, a natural formation.
	I really would be surprised if that was the case.
	So would I, based on what I've heard.
	And you know what I found interesting?
	I mean, we have this great argument going on on Mars right now, don't we?
	Yes.
	About Cydonia?
	Yes.
	And here we've got ancient structures, it would seem, a hundred feet below the water, right here on Earth, and we're having as big an argument about whether they're natural or not natural as we are about Cydonia.
	On Mars, and if we can't settle something 100 feet underwater here on Earth, how in the world are we ever going to settle the question of Cydonia?
	Well, if you read books like the books by William Corliss, which is a book, I don't think it's even in print anymore, called A Handbook of Puzzling Artifacts, what you find is that there were And are found, all the time, artifacts that don't make sense.
	Yep.
	But there is a filtering mechanism in the academic community.
	Yeah, they ignore them.
	They're ignored.
	They put them up on the shelf and they say, we can't explain this, we don't want to deal with it.
	Right.
	Yep.
	But the problem is, if even one of those things is real, then the whole theory fails.
	The whole theory of the past fails.
	And it's not a question of there being one or two things.
	There are thousands and thousands of anomalies.
	Well, I know.
	What happens is careers fail, because careers are built on certain things that are thought to be truths.
	And if they're proven not to be truths, then funding is cut off, careers fail, and... With the result that over the years, as one anomaly after another has been ignored, We have gradually built up a conventional picture of the past that is a hallucination.
	It is not real.
	Therefore, we have no clear understanding of ourselves and therefore no idea of where we're going.
	No, it's true.
	When we get back, I would like to ask you specifically some of the things that you asked this being.
	And some of the answers you got, and then I would like to go to the phones if we could.
	Sure.
	Alright, good.
	Stand right there.
	Whitley Schrieber is my guest.
	He's had a recent visit.
	June 6th.
	He asked questions.
	He got answers.
	We'll find out in a moment.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time, on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 27, 1998.
	The Coast to Coast AM concert, which was held on July 27, 1998, was a tribute to the late Marjorie Taylor, a former
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	Premier Rating.
	Good morning, everybody.
	I'm Art Bell.
	My guest is Whitley Streber, and we're about to get down to where the rubber meets the road and ask some questions.
	However, before we do that, a couple of things.
	I would like to again say you have got to see my studio, Ken, because we have done something really, really, really, really cool.
	I think it's totally cool.
	We have put together, with the assistance of Bob Crane and a lot of brainstorming, we have managed to couple a night vision scope with a video camera.
	And I have it mounted outside And right now, I just changed the position.
	And I moved the camera to an area roughly over Mount Charleston.
	In other words, I came from the west a little more toward the north.
	And what you're seeing are stars.
	Bright stars, and not so bright stars.
	And of course, because of the atmosphere, you're seeing one appear a little brighter one moment than the next.
	It'll take a picture about every 30 seconds.
	But what you're seeing is live over my house right now to give you some idea of what the stars look like out here in the desert.
	It's absolutely astounding.
	You can't know what stars look like in the desert until you come out here and get a look-see for yourself.
	But I'm able... It took... We've been working on this for about two months and tonight it's really paying off.
	So about every 30 seconds you will see a new picture Now a little more toward the north.
	I went out during the break and moved a little more toward the north.
	It is an astounding thing to see.
	For those of you particularly who live in the city and don't see it this way, I think you'll just be blown away by what's up there.
	It's amazing.
	So anyway, we're pointed roughly north, perhaps just a little tiny west of north right now.
	And of course it's good and dark out here.
	There's just a tiny sliver of the moon.
	And it may be already down for all I know.
	I didn't even take a look.
	But take a look at what we've got.
	It's on my website.
	All you do is go to my website and click on StudioCam and take a look.
	And what you're seeing is live, real time, the way the stars look out here in the desert right now.
	It is an astounding thing to be able to do.
	So anyway, there you have it.
	That's what we're doing.
	In a moment, we'll get back to Whitley.
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	Now let's go back to the night of July 27, 1998 on ArcBell, Somewhere in Time.
	Now, let's go.
	Now, back to Whitley Strieber, and Whitley, um... Well, I'm looking at the studio camera right now.
	Oh, are you really?
	Yeah, and it's really beautiful.
	There's a sort of a streak of light down one side in it that almost, or a brighter area that suggests it might even be the Milky Way.
	Uh, indeed.
	That's right.
	Believe me, we have the Milky Way from one horizon to the other.
	That is the Milky Way then.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's really wonderful.
	Yeah, it's amazing.
	We are going to, this is just the first attempt.
	We're going to perfect it.
	We're working hard on this.
	But I thought I would put it up tonight and see what people thought of it.
	You know, we have a remarkable view of the desert here.
	Oh, I know.
	Anyway, listen, you had an encounter in a hotel room of all places.
	Of all places.
	And I'm wondering what Basically, what you took away from it, you said, I wouldn't like the answers.
	Well, what I took away from it was really this, that there is something enormous is happening, that literally the fish is going to be out of water soon.
	The old symbol of Pisces is going to be, you know, Aquarius, the symbol of Aquarius is water being poured out of an urn.
	out of a jar.
	I think we have been sustained by the earth in the sort of river of the world for thousands and thousands of years and now suddenly that's going to end and we're going to be on our own in ways that we have never been before.
	in ways that we have never been before.
	Nature's end is coming.
	And it's going to be up to us to sustain this world in ways that perhaps we didn't even know we could.
	The impression I got was that there was going to be a time of incredible upheaval that is a combination of death and birth, both, and that we're going to end up having a kind of a birth into a whole new way of being for which we have really been created, and that is the reason that we don't use all of our brains.
	That's going to change.
	We are going to be using all of ourselves, and it's going to be a change that isn't just spiritual or mental at all, but an actual change in the way we are physically as well.
	That we're going to be able to do things, the same things that we can imagine doing, walking through time and so forth.
	God, I... We're going to be able to physically do.
	This is really giving me the heebie-jeebies.
	What you're saying runs in parallel with what I heard Sunday.
	Now, a lot of the audience will not have heard Sunday.
	Those who did, though... I'm going to cut a tape of it.
	Please send me one.
	Alright.
	And I, you know, what does it mean?
	I mean, does it mean that these things happen to people simultaneously?
	Does it mean that the message that's coming to us is coming simultaneously from several avenues?
	It means something.
	Yeah.
	Well, it could be that it means that we're not really alone.
	Let me tell you one of the, you know, I've had, some of my encounters have had some Very strange after-effects.
	This one had an after-effect that was pretty amazing, and it was that the next morning, I'll tell you in a few minutes how it ended, which was also very interesting, but since we're on this subject, I was able to hear people thinking for about Two hours or so after I woke up and I found it very embarrassing.
	It wasn't something that I was comfortable with at all.
	You were able to hear people thinking?
	Yeah, I was able to hear them thinking.
	When I walked downstairs of the hotel it was like a cacophony of voices.
	It was like a crowd talking.
	After about five or six minutes I realized that when I looked at someone I could hear, not exactly words, but I could sort of hear what they were, where their thoughts were originating and their desires.
	I don't know that I'd be comfortable with that.
	No, no, it was not comfortable.
	It was very disturbing and it was something that I I thought could represent some kind of a pathological reaction on my part to what had happened the night before and then not be real in other words.
	Well... I'm quite concerned about that.
	You know there are a number of people like Daniel Brinkley and others who have suffered severe physical trauma.
	Yes.
	In his case he was hit by lightning.
	There have been many other cases and people for periods of time afterward have become very psychic and have been able to literally read minds In Daniel's case, to the degree that it was like a million people talking to him when he was in a crowd.
	That's exactly what it was like.
	They weren't talking to me, but it was like a big crowd.
	Everyone was just talking away when I went down into the lobby of the hotel, which was sort of a startling moment, because mostly people weren't actually talking.
	It was just a hell of a noisy place.
	Do you have any idea why you have been chosen for all this to occur to you?
	You know, I never think about it.
	I'm like a soldier in a battle.
	I'm not interested in the big picture.
	What I'm interested in is being sure I put one foot in front of the other and I'm still standing up.
	That's my perspective.
	I guess, though, that I have thought about it.
	Earlier on, I thought about it, and I came to the conclusion that if I was chosen, then it was because people using me, the whole thing would stay in question, because people can say, oh, well, he's a horror novelist.
	He's got a big imagination.
	But you're not a horror novelist.
	Not anymore.
	Well, I don't know that you ever were.
	I mean, it was never really horror in the classic sense.
	No, it wasn't.
	In fact, all of my novels sort of prefigure my close encounter experience, like I was reenacting buried memories or working through buried memories from my childhood when I wrote the books, memories of close encounters then that I had forgotten.
	But anyway, when I got into the car with the lady that was taking me around in Toronto,
	I was so embarrassed because I could hear her mind.
	And she was like a little trapped bird.
	She wanted so badly to be over with this job that I kept trying to hurry.
	I was going from bookstore to bookstore signing books and I was trying so hard to hurry so
	that I could get her out of there and get her back to where she wanted to go and what
	It was such an acute feeling.
	But then within a half hour or so I was rushing off to the airport and I forgot about that and it faded and never came back.
	But it represented to me a little hint of what we're going to be.
	And like the strange synchronicity between this show and what happened on Sunday night has to do with that in a way that our minds are linked.
	It's not a coincidence and it's not an accident.
	It's because your mind and my mind and his mind are somehow linked and we're creating this structure right now between the three of us kind of playing off of each other and there's an effort to maybe make it all A little bit more powerful, a little bit stronger in the minds of those who are receptive to it.
	And maybe close the minds of those who are just going to sit back and say, oh, well, they cooked it all up.
	You know, it's all non-fictional.
	Oh, no.
	Oh, no.
	No, no.
	I can tell you no darn well it's not cooked up.
	No, absolutely not.
	It's just here lying in front of us that somehow or another the show on Sunday night What was said there prefigured this.
	And I had no idea, frankly, that we were going to get into this, this deeply, tonight, even after I sent you the facts that I sent you earlier, which doesn't mention any of this.
	No, as a matter of fact, it does not.
	The only, let's see, did it even mention the encounter you had?
	It does mention the encounter, yes.
	That's it.
	Yeah, that's all it mentions, that you had an encounter.
	No details whatsoever.
	But as you began to lay it out, a chill began to go down my spine.
	Yeah, I can see why.
	It was the first encounter I've had in 20 months.
	That long?
	When I lost, after I lost my cabin, I thought that I had lost my contact with the visitors forever.
	You know, they came, there were two encounters, and after that, and then it just ended, and then suddenly this happened, and this was much, much more than anything else that has ever been in my life.
	It was the most extraordinary time I've ever had in my life.
	I never expected it would be like this.
	I had such a profound feeling of the humanness of the whole thing during that art.
	It seemed like this experience of being human is the most sacred thing that has ever been known.
	Absolutely incredible.
	The feeling of value that I had about us, about me, about you, and about every human being.
	As if we are so sacred that we can't let ourselves see it because we could not bear the light that is inside us.
	I guess we are special beings.
	That's what I feel.
	Either we are special beings or our ego will not allow us to believe anything else but I'm not sure which.
	But I think I lean toward that we are special.
	It's both because the other side of the coin is nature is nature and nature is not going to give us any breaks.
	I don't think so either.
	And that's why I said earlier that if we're waiting for someone to come and save our butts, I think we're playing a loser's game.
	We're burning up the wrong tree, because I didn't have that impression at all.
	In fact, I have that impression less now, after June the 6th, than I had before.
	Before it was a sense of maybe, but then I felt afterwards, absolutely no way.
	Because if we let ourselves go, whoever's out there is going to let us go, too.
	How do you feel about answering questions from the audience?
	I'm sure they have many.
	Oh, I'd love to.
	This special that NBC, of course, was just here, as I mentioned earlier... This special has nothing to do with The Close Encounter.
	Oh, I understand.
	I understand.
	What kind of impact do you think that special is going to have?
	Well, I think it's going to make clear the fact that there is a very real and extraordinary mystery among us. There is hard evidence
	of this mystery and it is worth thinking about, it is worth spending money on, it is worth trying to
	understand. You're well informed I'm sure about the recent announcement of studied studies of UFOs at
	major universities.
	Dr. Sturek, sure I know I've spoken to him.
	I knew you would.
	Yeah, and I know other members of that committee quite well.
	Well, I'm curious, sort of an overall question, why do you think what was verboten for so long is now suddenly acceptable to the degree that there's a national announcement that a major university and professors are going to be studying UFOs, they're saying what the government refuses to say, That there is enough evidence to justify a serious study?
	Well, I think it's because they are aware of the fact that there is an absolutely magnificent discovery of some kind in all of this, and I think these people would probably like to be the ones who make it.
	They're motivated by the excellence of the evidence and the strong suggestion That behind that evidence there lies the most marvelous and possibly also the most terrifying discovery in human history.
	They see it as a massive career opportunity, would be my guess.
	In part, in another side of it though, certain ones that I know, I don't know Dr. Stork very well, I've just spoken to him on the phone once or twice.
	He corresponded a couple of times.
	But I think that they are interested in things like, one of them I know is interested in a non-heat engine and forms of energy that don't involve the use of heat.
	Oh yes.
	And he sees this is essential to the welfare of mankind because if we can't get billions of people living off of this planet then we're not going to be living on it either.
	And so he's driven by that.
	And he wants to use whatever knowledge he can gain from this technology that he sees all around him to try to understand how it works so that he can make things that will enable us to travel as freely in space as he sees them doing.
	And he's quite driven.
	I mean, he's a man who, this particular one, Totally indifferent to these issues of whether or not they're real.
	He's only interested in what he can learn from them.
	So these guys tend to be very practical in that sense.
	They want the knowledge that seems to be hanging there, ready to be plucked from the tree.
	I hope that's an analogy that a lot of your listeners will resonate with.
	I suspect it is.
	We're going to find out.
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	Whitley's here.
	He's had a close encounter, uh, time-wise, and, uh, uh, what would be the right word?
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	In other words, this is, uh, a close encounter of the, uh, the most personal kind, and he got to actually ask questions.
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	I am.
	All right, to the phones we go.
	Let's see what's on their minds out there.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Whitley Streber.
	Where are you, please?
	Fallon, Nevada, Art.
	Fallon, all right, welcome.
	First, I'd like to say I think that the video cam is very cool.
	Oh, you got to see it, huh?
	Yes, I did, and it's wonderful.
	A couple questions for Whitley.
	First of all, when he was speaking of the encounter earlier, he mentioned that the gentleman had told him that I have the impression that it was well underway.
	It was already happening.
	There was no sense that it was going to start in the future, but it was already sort of irrevocable.
	specifics as to a clue or something that might be happening in the near future?
	I had the impression that it was well underway.
	It was already happening.
	There was no sense that it was going to start in the future, but it was already sort of
	irrevocable that it started some years ago.
	Also, when you were having this conversation, so to speak, did he mention to you how these changes are going to come about for us?
	I mean, you had mentioned how after the confrontation that you had this ability to read people's minds or hear their thoughts.
	It wasn't an active thing like reading.
	It was something I couldn't stop.
	I couldn't do anything about it.
	In other words, it wasn't like reading somebody's mind.
	It was just there in the air.
	It was like I could hear something I didn't necessarily even want to hear for a while.
	Okay.
	I just think it's very fascinating and I want to thank Art for the program.
	I just want everybody to keep their eyes and ears open.
	All right, sir.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	And on the wild card line, you're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
	Good morning.
	Well, good morning, Whitley and Art.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Vegas.
	This is Dina.
	In Las Vegas, all right.
	I called you before, and, uh, actually, when Linda Bowden Howell, uh, said what Art's parts were... Right.
	I stood up and said, well, that's a strange combination.
	I wonder what that's for.
	And a voice in my ear said, Hall Effect.
	That's why I told you what it was.
	And you know what, though?
	I think it's not a sensing device.
	I think that's what moves the ship.
	You said it jumped sideways when they applied electricity.
	Yep, anything's possible.
	Oh yeah, well Whitley, I had encounters with these beings in the 70s and now they are staying at my sister's house.
	She has had them there constantly.
	Mine was intermittent.
	They have been living with her constantly since March.
	I had a... You can't make out what they're there for.
	I had a period of time At my cabin in upstate New York when they were there constantly.
	Yeah.
	One particular person, but again... Yeah, the females with her all the time.
	Whitley, stay good and close to the phone for me.
	Okay.
	Um... Yeah?
	One of the things that has happened over the course of the past, say, four or five years in my experience has been that I have... it's become more and more human.
	And I haven't seen anything that looked like an alien Long time, three years it's been.
	And this man, as I said earlier, he could easily walk down the street.
	I mean he was just a man, in fact an old, rather tired looking man with extraordinary, just amazing knowledge and experience.
	Some extraordinary qualities.
	I have to tell you something strange that happened.
	Nine of them came in my room one night and they looked like the little guys in the Mufon book in the blue suits.
	With the big black eyes?
	They didn't have black eyes, but they had the large heads, you know?
	I used to see those.
	Years ago I saw them all.
	That was all I ever saw.
	Yeah, but they wore silver suits and they lined up alongside of me.
	Five of them lined up along my right side, one crouched at my foot.
	One crouched on the left side of me, and I think there were three in the doorway.
	There were nine altogether.
	And these ones on the right put their fingertips down.
	They spun me out of my body in a ball of light.
	Scared the living crap out of me.
	I mean, I wasn't expecting that.
	But you know, and then I remember I listened to Damien talk about a ball of light came in the room and a woman stuck her head out of it.
	I think you mean Daniel.
	Daniel, yeah.
	I don't believe in ETs really.
	I think that this is something in a way bigger than that.
	I wonder about all these stories of light beings and all these stories of ETs and I
	think it's all mixed up together.
	I keep coming back to that.
	You know I don't believe in ETs really.
	I think that this is something in a way bigger than that.
	There are people who are in some way connected more with other planets than this one, but
	the primary meaning of it is not like scientists who have come from other planets who are studying
	us.
	That the primary meaning of it is something that we haven't really grasped yet.
	It's kind of beyond our knowledge in a way.
	And that they also, as are we, beyond our own knowledge.
	Because we have lost, we've dropped the thread, we've lost the history of mankind.
	We don't know who we are or where we came from.
	I think that's right.
	Or off of which cliff we fell.
	We don't know.
	I agree.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Streber.
	This is Robert from Tennessee.
	Hi, Robert.
	Great to be talking to you, Whitley.
	A couple questions I'd like to ask you.
	I heard the Greenland program and this program, and I'm just flabbergasted.
	I don't know what to say.
	Thank you, caller.
	Am I right?
	You're exactly right.
	At first, I thought the guest you had last night was a quack until I heard this.
	You know, them questions go through your mind, but I know Whitley's a very honorable guest you have.
	Another thing, the passing of Philip Corso.
	Yes.
	I wanted to ask Whitney, I think he just answered my question, the correlation between this and the contacts that he's had, and how long did he get to talk to the gentleman?
	And I'll listen off the air for my answer.
	I talked to him, I think it was, it may have been as much as half an hour, but it was certainly no less than 15 minutes.
	I wasn't keeping track of time.
	Could it have been a lot longer?
	Did you have any reference at all for time?
	No, but I didn't feel like there was a lot of missing time or anything.
	And when he left, it was so abrupt, it was almost funny.
	In what manner?
	He just stood up.
	up he'd been sitting on the sort of it I guess I guess he was sitting on a chair
	beside the bed and right in the what felt like the whole middle of the thing
	he just stood up and walked out closed the door behind him just like that
	It was gone.
	And I went to the door and by the time I was standing at the door I was so tired I felt like I weighed 500 pounds.
	I had no way to follow him.
	I could not do it.
	I went and I laid back down on the bed.
	I woke up in the morning and my feet were still off the foot of the bed.
	I hadn't even gotten all the way into the bed.
	I felt very good.
	I felt fine when I woke up.
	I didn't feel exhausted as I sometimes used to after these things.
	For many years, those of the guests, of the listeners who have followed me, they know I always would say we have to keep this in question.
	We're not sure.
	I'm not sure.
	But I'm not saying that anymore.
	Also, this is the first time I've ever talked in detail about an encounter before.
	I understand.
	Yes, I know.
	Because I'm not willing to say that anymore.
	To me, that question is answered.
	There is someone here and something really incredible is going on.
	And if that someone is an echo of us from the future or the distant past or something, I wouldn't be at all surprised.
	Nor I. West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Oh, no, I'm sorry, I didn't press the button.
	Now you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, my name's Stuart, and I'm calling from Portland.
	Hi, Stuart.
	Hi.
	And I saw Whitley about a month ago, I think, when you were up here in Portland at the Palo Verde bookstore.
	And I guess, first off, I'd like to ask you, Are you familiar with the book called The Starseed Transmissions?
	Only the name of it.
	I think, no.
	Who's it by?
	The only name that was given for the book was Raphael.
	It's written by a fairly well-known writer, but he used a pseudonym for this book.
	I'm not familiar with it except for the name of it.
	Okay, well, there's this one passage in the book that really resonated with me.
	It says that the Hindus have a belief that there will come a time when the universe will stop expanding and will begin contracting.
	And at this moment there will be a period of non-time when I guess possibly we could start accessing other dimensions or things of that nature.
	Are you familiar with that belief of theirs at all?
	No, I'm not.
	Well, the other thing that I'd like to ask you is, you touched on this just a minute ago, that you've always believed that maybe the ETs, it's not just something as straightforward as another race visiting from another planet.
	Yes.
	I've always had the belief that maybe the real purpose here is to give us a hand up to the Creator.
	Do you think that could possibly be wider here?
	Well, My own religious life became very important to me after I started having my close encounters, partly because they were, at least in the first few years, so rough that I had to have something to fall back on.
	Then I began to get into the discipline of having a simple faith.
	Which is, in this day and age, and with someone like me, I've been a total skeptic and very scientifically oriented, not even an agnostic, for many years.
	I've also been a searcher.
	I've been in the Gurdjieff Foundation.
	I've done all kinds of things like that.
	It was a big step to take, and yet that's where the experience has led me.
	And so my faith is just as simple as a child's.
	I try to make it that way and to live comfortably in that because that's what seems to be the meaning of it for me.
	But I think, though, are we going to end up in a situation where it turns out that not only is there a God but that God is looking for companionship and that's why we exist.
	I want to backtrack a little bit.
	of God as if we are kind of closed off from it and have to search for it so that we will
	be independent enough to have our own personalities and beings, possibly also annoying to God
	at times.
	Very good.
	That's worth some discussion.
	I want to backtrack a little bit.
	You mentioned time.
	He sent me a fax earlier tonight that was really, really interesting.
	In it, he suggested that time is completely our invention.
	And as an example of that, he said, have you ever noticed the only time you ever have a sense of time is when you're awake?
	When you're asleep, you have absolutely no concept of time whatsoever.
	So, you know, I never thought of that, but that's really true.
	Isn't it true?
	Time is a conscious invention.
	So, that's a fabulous fact, because that's a really new idea.
	When I read it, I went, God, that's true.
	You know that's true.
	Yeah, it is, because the dream world has its own timelessness and its own time.
	That's right.
	Actually, in any altered state whatsoever, other than full consciousness, there really is no time.
	I wonder if full consciousness is not the altered state, then.
	Well, that's really a twist.
	All right.
	First time caller on the line.
	Good morning.
	You're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
	You're going to have to yell at us, sir.
	You're not too loud.
	No problem.
	I'm from Philadelphia, and I know you're talking much about time travel, and I just wanted to put forward on a big student of physics and astrophysics, and I just wanted to put forward the fact that if we're dealing with time, as soon as one person or anything travels back in time, that actually takes away free will.
	You can get deep into the philosophical parts of it, but just physics.
	Dealing with time, you're talking about it as consciousness, but there's a whole physical universe.
	If you take the human out of the whole equation, there's still time.
	There's a time arrow.
	Time always calls out.
	It has to go forward.
	As soon as time can change, you can slow down and speed up, but it always has to go in one direction.
	I was just wondering what you think about that.
	Very interesting speculations about that coming from the scientific community in recent years.
	Stephen Hawking, a great British scientist, said in October of 1993 or 1994 that it appeared that movement through time was a theoretical possibility.
	He had been the one who was always saying, well, where are the tourists?
	Then the question that this caller brings up, of course, immediately came to the forefront.
	If movement through time is possible, then would we in effect be part of a big machine?
	We would no longer have free will because we would know too much to have free will.
	And then a Russian scientist came forth with the idea that in order for movement through time to be feasible without expending more energy than exists in the universe, it must be true that the so-called principle of least action holds.
	For the time traveler as well.
	The principle of least action?
	That is one of the most fundamental laws of nature.
	Nothing does more than it has to to accomplish what it must.
	In other words, when you pour the water out, it always goes down and it never takes a detour to take a look at the view.
	That's true.
	And the principle of least action would mean that no matter how Well, that's one thought.
	Another is, of course, there is, we discussed earlier, the possibility of multiple dimensions.
	something would always prevent that.
	It would not because there simply isn't enough energy in the universe
	for him to break that system. Well that's one thought.
	Another is of course there is, we discussed earlier,
	the possibility of multiple dimensions. Yes.
	And it may well be that if you were able to kill, you know, the classic
	paradox thing, if you were able to say kill your father
	then you might suddenly not exist in one dimension but you would continue to exist in another.
	I wonder if you'd be an orphan in the other... I don't know.
	Alright, we're going to pause here at the bottom of the hour.
	Fascinating concepts.
	And think about this one.
	The only time That you're conscious of the passage of time is when you're conscious.
	Does that mean time is not passing when you're asleep?
	No, it is.
	It can be measured when you wake up.
	We'll be right back.
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	Alright, once again, here is Whitley Streber, who just had a very, very close and very personal encounter.
	Whitley, you're back on the air again.
	Okay, I'm back.
	And here comes the public.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Strieber.
	Hi.
	Hello, this is Steve from Santa Rosa.
	Hi, Steve.
	Hi.
	I want to make a statement about the alien fierceness when Whitney was involved with this contact that he had.
	He mentioned the fierceness of their presence, and I wonder how Maybe the government.
	The government is supposed to have dredged up some of these wrecks down in Roswell.
	When they have these ships captured and these aliens captured, I would think that they deal with this same type of problem.
	I can understand this because I've seen one of these creatures face-to-face myself, and I understand how nerve-wracking that can be.
	I wonder how an organized government, their organization, when it comes on a one-to-one
	basis, how do you suppose they are able to deal with this intensity that these aliens
	exhibit, like they do?
	It's an interesting question because he's really talking about my earlier encounters,
	which were, as I said, very fearsome.
	The little grey creatures with the big black eyes are absolutely ferocious.
	Some of them, not all of them.
	The one I saw was definitely ferocious.
	I had an inclination to look out the window.
	I got my wife to stand up on this counter with me.
	We opened up the curtain and standing there looking up at us was one of these grey creatures.
	All I can say is that it just scared the willies out of me.
	It had yellowish, kind of like diamond-shaped eyes.
	We couldn't look at it for very long because it scared us so badly.
	We went back inside and I woke up a friend of mine out of bed.
	He ran out into the backyard thinking it was a burglar.
	He came within 15 feet of it and then came in about three minutes and was quite startled
	at seeing the same thing that we did.
	But anyway, please go on.
	I wouldn't think that if the government has any contact with them that it would be possible
	to cope with them very easily at all.
	I mean, I evolved when they were coming around a lot.
	All I could do, and it was sort of a survival mechanism in a funny way, was I began to go out into the woods alone at night, not because I thought that would... I guess I had the same curiosity about them that a little mouse does about a snake.
	I felt it was a very difficult situation to be in psychologically.
	I got into a state of post-traumatic stress disorder and depression.
	If there are people who are trying to deal with them on an everyday basis, I would think that would be one of the most hazardous jobs In the world.
	I mean, I'd sooner go down in a U-boat during World War II.
	Yeah.
	That would be very, very difficult.
	You know, we were talking a little earlier about Phil Corso.
	And Phil had an incredibly profound influence on my life.
	I thought he was one of the most wonderful men I ever met.
	He was a very powerful, extraordinary man.
	And one of the things that he told me that forms the The last chapter in Confirmation, he said that they had asked, that the military had had a certain number of contacts with these creatures and had asked the question, what's on offer?
	What's there for us?
	And they had received an answer.
	The answer was, a new world if you can take it.
	In other words, if you can take it, that is to say, wrest it out of our hands.
	And if you can take it, that is to say, if we can bear it.
	And that's the kind of thing, and it sort of looks like, not so much like evil, but like tough love in a way.
	That's kind of like saying, a democracy or a republic if you can keep it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And I've never, you know, this talk, I'm going to talk just to digress a little bit for a moment, a little bit more about Corso, who has He passed away and gosh I'm going to miss that man.
	He was so cool.
	I know he was.
	I probably had more hours of interview with him than anybody on the radio.
	I know it and I heard some of it.
	Everyone here knows how special he was.
	I wonder where he really came from and what he was really doing because I had the most interesting exchange with him.
	At the Roswell event two years ago, last year, I said to him, you know, he signed a really, a perpetual security secrecy oath back during World War II, an unbreakable oath, the kind that Cabot signed, that he still won't break to this day about the Roswells.
	Right.
	And I said to Phil, why did you write this book?
	Because it must be that you've broken your oath.
	And he said, well, no.
	I didn't.
	I did break an oath.
	I broke the oath I made to his commanding general, but he said that I decided after he died that I had the right to.
	That's right.
	I said, what about your security oath?
	And I said, have you broken that?
	Your secrecy agreement, I mean, have you broken that?
	Yes.
	And he said, well, I can't tell you that.
	If I told you that, I'd break it.
	Yeah, what an answer.
	Yeah, he's really going to be missed.
	There was more that would have come from Colonel Corso.
	Oh, there certainly was.
	Well, you know, his family was left with a lot of papers and probably tapes, I hope, and things.
	But in any case, Now let's get back to the other question.
	I want to say something else.
	One more thing about Colonel Corso.
	Okay.
	And I'm not going to go into details about it, but I think the audience ought to know this man never received a penny for his book.
	No.
	He got screwed out of everything.
	And I really don't want to say more, you know, I don't want to incur any legal liability here, but I do know for a fact that he got screwed.
	Well, also at the beginning, you know, the money was no motive.
	The book went on the bestseller list and earned a lot of royalties.
	I know.
	But at the beginning, the advance was tiny.
	I know.
	He had no financial motive.
	And even after the success, Whitley, he received zero.
	Oh, that's terrible.
	I know.
	And I'm so sorry he had to pass away without that having been rectified.
	First time caller on the air with Whitley Schriever and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Good evening.
	Good evening.
	Matt, I'd like to start out by saying I really appreciate your show.
	Thank you.
	My wife and I have been following you for three years, and between your guests and particularly Mr. Scallion, we have been set on a path that is incredible.
	In reference earlier to your conversation of time... Oh, yes.
	I thought I'd throw up.
	A couple of thoughts for either feedback or just for thought.
	Fire away.
	The first one, without getting into religion per se, but to make a note that it's written in the Bible that a day under the Lord is like under a thousand years.
	Yes.
	So that gives a perspective of wherever the Creator is, a thousand years to us is equal to a day to Him, and I happen to believe That all of us have spirit guides, and I've been told by mine that the dimension in which he exists, his timeline is five years to one of our days.
	You're a spirit guide?
	Yes, sir.
	But God's 1,000 years to our day?
	No, one day to 1,000 years to us.
	So one day for him is 1,000 years for us?
	Yeah, for the Lord.
	So then think what it means when God has a bad day for us.
	Yes, that's for sure.
	Or, in another perspective, if Christ was crucified in 33 A.D.
	by our calendar, he's barely arisen for two days.
	So I thought that would be an interesting concept.
	The other part of that was, I've heard it said that space, time, and thought are not necessarily Separate things we think they are.
	And that has a lot to do with the environments we create by our mental attitudes.
	Well you heard what I said about time.
	That's worth some contemplation.
	The only time we're aware of the passage of time is when we are conscious.
	In a fully conscious state.
	Any other time we are totally unaware of the passage of time.
	Now that says something about time.
	In effect, it says that it is our invention.
	Yeah, in this material world.
	Yeah.
	My question is, I've heard it said numerous times by your guests, of these warnings, reverse changes.
	Yes.
	We are on a path that they cannot be avoided, but they could be lessened.
	Correct.
	I have a perception that governments around the world, since as far back as the Roman Empire, have basically had a certain agenda and they are largely in part responsible for infrastructure.
	due to their goals and their priorities, if the masses, the people as it were, were to
	have a change of heart and spirit, and the government did not, I think that would be
	not.
	I'd like to get your impression of if that would in fact lessen it?
	I believe it would.
	I think the government is a very, very small part, frankly a tiny part, of the overall effect of spirituality.
	After all, how many of us are there compared to how many of them?
	Even though government may seem out of control growth-wise.
	So, I believe that.
	I believe that as more people become spiritual, the effect of what's coming may be lessened.
	And, in fact, I feel that so much that when we do a program like the one we're doing now, with the warnings that you've heard from Whitley, or the ones from Gordon, or the ones from Sean David Morton, or others who give warnings, that it brings a few more people each time into this realm of consideration of how we might change it or lessen it.
	Think that's true, Whitley?
	Well, I sure hope it is.
	I want to just touch on something that this listener mentioned, and that was the Spirit Guide and Guardian Angel.
	Yes.
	I had an experience with this phenomenon once that really was very striking, and I'd like to let everyone know about it.
	I was spending some time at the Chautauqua Institution in Upstate New York at the time, which is near a place called the Lilydale Assembly, which is where the old Spiritualist Church of America goes for the summer.
	All of the mediums in that church go there.
	One of them is a man named Gregory Keene, who is an extraordinary medium.
	I had never been to one before, and it was not something that I was very interested in, but some friends He convinced me to give it a try and he turned out to be
	just shocking.
	He knew so much about the little details of my life because I went in thinking, oh well
	he will have read my books.
	But he knew things about the kind of chair I used in my office and that sort of thing
	that was just amazing.
	One of the things he said, he said, do you remember the time your car stopped on the
	highway?
	I had a Volvo and anyone who has Volvos, they don't just do that.
	But incredibly enough, it had happened once.
	And so I said, yes I do, quite mystified by the fact that he could even know that.
	And the odds against him, and there was a time when cars were not as good as they are now, when you might have made a lucky guess with something like that.
	But this is not the kind of thing that you would be saying, you know, under those circumstances.
	In other words, he wasn't just trying to guess it.
	It was too specific and too unlikely.
	And so I said, yes, I do remember that.
	He said, well, you know that you have a guardian angel.
	And I said, well, I hadn't thought of it in those terms.
	And what had happened is we'd been coming to a highway interchange.
	The car was traveling along completely normally, and suddenly it just ceased to function, and it rolled off to the side of the road.
	It stayed there for a few seconds and then started up on its own.
	I tried to start it a few times unsuccessfully, and we went on home.
	He said, well, there were some people going through that exchange who would have followed you home and killed you if they had seen you, and your guardian angel had no choice but to stop the car.
	Oh my.
	I was riding along telling my son this story, and I laughingly said, and I suppose if I really did have a guardian angel, he'd stop the car again just to prove it.
	And the car died.
	Really?
	At that instant.
	You know, the only thing that I don't understand about stories like this, where are the guardian angels of people who meet such terrible fates so undeservedly?
	That is a great question.
	Yeah, it's a hard one.
	In Sumatra, when they opened the school, not knowing of the extent of the catastrophe, and no children showed up, where were the guardian angels of those children?
	Could God have deserved that fate?
	Surely not.
	I know.
	It's an eternally difficult question, and I honestly don't expect an answer, but I wonder about it.
	Well, and look at the Holocaust, the silence.
	Many people I know in the Jewish community speak about the silence of God.
	Sure.
	Where were all those guardian angels?
	Them, yes.
	So there are some things that we are not yet meant to know, I guess.
	Very briefly, Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Whitley Strieber.
	Hi.
	Good morning.
	Michael in California.
	Hi, Michael.
	I was hoping to connect a few dots, one being your experience in France.
	Another being a comment by Terence McKenna.
	What Terence McKenna said was kind of just off the wall.
	He said, if we are going to be visited by ETs, it probably won't be in titanium ships.
	It will be in our minds.
	What you experienced in France sounded to me like that sensation you got when you were
	like rushing forward but didn't have the feeling of...
	I have not yet told Whitley about what happened in Paris.
	What I'm getting to, though... Yeah, but I'm somewhat familiar with it from your website.
	Oh, really?
	Okay.
	In relation to... and the other dot being the subject of time, we have a kind of a hard time dealing with the idea of infinity, but it's pretty simply You've got to be the way it is because there can be nothing before or after something that always is.
	Time being just our perception of a shadow moving and the planet, the sun, causing that.
	What you experienced in France of being outside the body or disconnected from the ego that maintains the body is what we would experience if we were born somewhere outside the Or above the sun rising and setting, which would make it always now.
	Every moment of consciousness would be always now.
	Therefore, everything that occurs, what we think is occurring in time, is always occurring right now.
	Therefore, we have access to that perception of everything that has been or will be in the time paradigm, but it's actually here now, and that consciousness is just defined Dimensions are only defined by the body's chemistry at the moment.
	All right, sir, we've got to hold it right there.
	Whitley, I've got one more hour.
	Can you stay?
	Oh, sure.
	Good.
	All right, stand right where you are.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from July 27th, 1998.
	I don't feel asking what's wrong. I don't feel asking if you don't want to.
	Don't tell me that you love me.
	Don't tell me that you love me.
	Don't tell me that you...
	Don't tell me that you love me.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM, from July 27, 1998.
	I'm telling you, this is so cool.
	I have moved the outside cam once again, and it is slightly east of north, and not too far from straight up.
	It's almost straight up now.
	Of course, obviously, when you're looking at the stars, Straight up presents the least amount of atmosphere between you and the stars.
	Out here in the desert we have very, very low humidity and quite clear skies, as you will obviously note.
	What we have done is put together a night vision scope with a camera.
	And the results are absolutely astounding.
	They really are remarkable.
	And so each break I go out and I move it a little bit.
	Uh, this one, again, is slightly east of north and, uh, pretty well straight up.
	Not quite straight up, but, uh, at a slight angle and east of north from where I am.
	So, you might take a look.
	It is, it is remarkable.
	really is remarkable.
	Thank you.
	This is up to you.
	Would you go back to the moon or would you go straight to Mars?
	That's not even the question I would ask.
	There could be scientific reasons to go to one destination.
	Geopolitical reasons to go to another.
	There could be tourist business reasons to go, maybe you want to mine an asteroid.
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	And now you have the freedom to go where you want.
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	Now let's go back to the night of July 27th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Alright, back now to my guest, Whitley Streber, and we've got another hour.
	Thank you, Woodley.
	Lots and lots of people want to talk to you.
	Art, before we go on, I promised Steve Neal, one of the artists who's working on the special, that I would mention that some of his graphics that are probably going to be used or that he's experimenting with in regard to the special are on his website, which is at alienfx.com.
	AlienFX.com.
	Right.
	Gee whiz, we should have a link up.
	You should, yeah.
	AlienFX.com.
	AlienFX.com.
	He has a neat site.
	I'll tell you, when you see some of these things that he has created, you will realize just how hard it is to tell whether or not UFOs are hoaxed.
	He created an image of a UFO going over his house that is It looks like a real video, and one coming out of a hanger that you would swear was real.
	But they're not real.
	They were created entirely in the computer by Steve.
	Well, unfortunately for the UFO community, we now live in a day and age when you, particularly with regard to computer files, you really can't Tell what's real and what's not.
	No, you can't.
	There's simply no way, and people are getting too good, the programs are getting too good, and it's a tough blow for the UFO community.
	I don't know where we go for verification, except to the past.
	That's exactly one of the things we did do for the special, is we went to the past for verification, and we came up with a real surprise about a certain Well, I know there are good reasons why I shouldn't ask you anymore about that, so I'm not going to.
	We'll leave that one for the special, and what a surprise it's going to be for everybody.
	for your fifty years i know there are good reasons why i shouldn't ask anymore
	about that so i'm not going to
	he can't be protected will believe that one for the special and what a surprise it's going to be for every
	hopeful all right uh...
	Keith, if you're listening, that's alienfx.com.
	My guess would be it's already up there.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Whitley Strieber.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	This is Kim from Austin, Texas.
	Welcome.
	Thank you.
	Most of my 40 years, I've dreamt of friendly humanoid aliens taking me I can really resonate with your experiences.
	on wonderful scenic trips and alien crafts and returning me home.
	I have dreamt many beautiful colorful lighted night parades of various kinds of spacecraft
	and I can really resonate with your experiences.
	In my more current dreams I am there at beautiful resorts where everyone has mental telepathy
	and are all positively optimists.
	I had the honor of viewing my one fully awake UFO experience.
	I named it Silver Phoenix.
	And I recently edited Michael Unum's book, Hacker's Guide to UFO Technology.
	Although I didn't really understand it.
	And he's active with MUFON.
	How do you edit something that you can't understand?
	I didn't edit the content.
	Oh, I see.
	You just edited for grammar punctuation.
	Right.
	I was interested in finding out what kind of significance you thought the harmonic convergence some years ago has on the new era.
	And it's very interesting, isn't it, that the Cold War ended shortly after the Harmonic Convergence, the next fall.
	Now, you've got your radio on in the background, which is very confusing.
	Yes, I wanted my son to hear.
	I see.
	All right, well, we'll just let Whitley comment then, Whitley.
	After the Harmonic Convergence, despite the fact that the press laughed at it, the world completely changed and pretty much In the direction that had been predicted by the people who were talking about the convergence.
	The Berlin Wall came down, the Soviet Union collapsed.
	You're absolutely correct.
	Communism ended, the threat of nuclear holocaust ended.
	It's true.
	Now, people can say one had nothing to do with the other, or if you're an optimist, you can suggest they did.
	Hundreds of thousands of people linked hands during the Harmonic Convergence and sent up a powerful message and a wish for peace.
	And look what happened.
	Well, we haven't destroyed ourselves yet.
	No.
	On the upside.
	Yeah, definitely not.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Whitley Streber.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	My name is Queen and I'm calling you from Fort Smith, Arkansas.
	KWHN 1320 on your radio dial.
	Welcome.
	Uh, hi.
	By the way, how are you?
	I would like to add, you're in Fort Smith?
	Yes.
	I just saw, have you seen a movie called Wild America?
	No, I haven't.
	Then see it.
	It's about Fort Smith, and it's absolutely stupendous.
	I can imagine.
	It's running on the, you know, on the pay services now, so.
	Okay, I'll look at that.
	Uh, Whitley, I have, was sent here about four years ago.
	I was raised here.
	But I had been living in Los Angeles for the last past 28 years and I was at the Harmonic Convergence in LA a few years back and when the press kind of ripped us up but I was told by some beings I have never seen them I can only talk to them and I get these messages and I was told to stay within this area And that I was to tell people that they had 24 angels surrounding them at all times.
	Now, in my religious faith, I'm international, because I believe in all religious faiths and all religious backgrounds.
	And I practice more Judaism than I do anything.
	I read into the Kabbalah and Christianity.
	But I believe in all religions, and I practice all religions.
	I'm at home with all people.
	But the messages that I was given was to tell everybody that they have 24 angels around them at all times, and that we are working back toward the Creator.
	And for those that are familiar with the Bible, that I heard the gentleman comment about a thousand years is as one day in God's eyesight.
	Yes.
	In the creative process, where it says it took God seven days, well we know that there's 7,000 years to create the earth, and it said on the seventh day he rested.
	And a lot of people like Art a few minutes ago said, why are all these terrible things happening to people like the children in Jonesboro, which happened here, you know, not too long ago?
	Well, we are in God's rest, and if God is resting, that means that he does not intervene into The world activities and we are or we have been left on our own and I believe that we have created a reality that we're living in at this time.
	But the way out of all of this mess that we have created is these 24 angels, personal guides that we have all been assigned.
	And what has happened, the gift that I was given, I was told to tell people that the way to access these angels is that you must ask them their names and when you ask the name just get in a quiet place in a meditative state and ask are my holy angels here and they will answer usually telepathically I've had some of my people to tell me that they have materialized and the angels they have seen the angels after they have asked their names but my angels have never come in a material body
	I have four attendant spirit guides, Archangel Michael, Archangel Metatron, Archangel Uriel, and Gabriel, at all times.
	And so this is people's way to find their way back to the Creator.
	But they must know that the Creator, since we are creatures of free will, we are allowed to make a choice.
	We hear, but a lot of times we don't pay attention.
	So we are guided away from tragedy if we listen to that first voice that we get.
	And the older people usually tell us, follow your first mind.
	And I believe that that is God speaking to us.
	And what I wanted to ask you, and I wanted to give you a little background on myself first, is I have been experiencing what you were talking to the audience about Uh, hearing what people are thinking.
	I can be sitting with someone in a conversation and then I can't control it.
	All of a sudden these things start coming and I've learned to watch what I say because I've realized that they are not verbally saying this and that I'm hearing these thoughts that they're thinking.
	It got me into a little trouble with some close friends of mine at first because they I was replying to what I heard them thinking.
	And a lot of people kind of think I'm off my rocker.
	And I was instructed by my spirit guides to dress in all white and to cover my head.
	And I was told I was a holy woman.
	Do you have a specific question?
	Well, I want to know how or will I ever be able to control this?
	It's kind of scary.
	I mean, there are people who can control it, I think, and who are real, who really can do it.
	There have been a few stories now and again about people who seem to have that ability, but it must be terribly rare.
	In my own reaction to that, though, it's not something I would have wanted to control.
	Personally, I felt I was intruding on others and that I couldn't help it.
	It was like stumbling into someone in a private moment in their lives.
	It wasn't something that I wanted to do at all.
	It wasn't something I wanted to return to.
	It wasn't an ability I wanted to possess.
	and I'm just as glad that it faded away.
	I would think though that the idea that we might all possess that ability, if everyone
	had it, if the people I heard had the ability to hear me, I wouldn't have felt like I did.
	It would be a very different world if it was like that.
	I think that the world would fill, in my impression, just of the little taste of this I have, the world would fill with compassion.
	I normally just sort of jostle past people in a hotel, but they were all richly alive and filled with meaning for me on that morning.
	Very much so.
	All right.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	Hello, Whitley.
	Hi.
	I met with you briefly.
	I spoke at one of your meetings in Roswell last July.
	Yes.
	My name is Yoen, Y-H-O-E-N.
	I recently mailed you a letter to your Texas address.
	If you have not received it, please look for it.
	Okay.
	I am the Six-Fingered Messiah.
	Oh yes.
	I am the Antichrist.
	You need not describe this each time.
	Okay.
	We know who you are.
	Okay.
	Or claim to be.
	Yes.
	Well, I will be revealed to the world as such, in no uncertain terms, very soon.
	I would ask each of you to carefully... Hello?
	To carefully what?
	Carefully consider what we all face in the very near future, and if we are to survive, we, all of mankind, we must face the full truth, stand up and speak and act with one voice, and do what we must do.
	Well, that's what has to happen, then we're doomed.
	There will be signs given to the whole world again.
	I've had many other signs given about me and what's going on.
	Again, on August the 8th, it's a Saturday, I would suggest that each one of you take a look at the evening sky in the east on that evening at 8 p.m.
	Alright, well, I'll focus my studio cam in that direction just in case.
	Welcome to the Rockies.
	You're on the show with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	First, I just want to say I love your show and I appreciate its ability, the way it shows people who have eyes to see and those who aren't meant to see and who's part of the conspiracy.
	But anyway, as far as time and dimension, I had this dream once.
	It was more of a vision.
	And it showed all spaces of time, past, present, future, happening simultaneously, oblivious to one another in their own dimension.
	And it was like a lightbulb.
	It was like, okay, that makes sense.
	And I've had a couple instances where I have seen physical evidence of like a guardian angel in one instance, an actual hand, a physical, the hand, And I'm thinking, well, this, you know, has to be something to do with dimensional, whereas some people can see that dimension, some can't.
	And I'm wondering, any idea why it is that, and what causes it?
	I mean, we don't slip into another dimension.
	It's like it comes to us.
	You mean why we can't slip into another dimension as well?
	I wonder what it is that causes it to slide into us at times and why we can't do that at will.
	Well, it seems to me that what prevents us is also the thing that gives us so much of our other abilities and that is our body.
	It's our body really that extends us the gift of free will because it's in here.
	Sure.
	Where we have no contact with higher levels of reality and we are trapped inside time in a body that is going to die and in here we have free will because we are not being told by higher powers what is truly right and what is truly not right.
	We're not in direct contact with the truth.
	We have to seek it.
	That makes sense.
	That's part of the reason.
	And maybe sometimes just out of necessity been there for us.
	Yeah, but I think we're changing.
	I think that the body is going to prove to be much more than we thought.
	I mean we think of it as the sort of mortal coil that eventually falls down and somehow Memory or essence of us goes on.
	I've got to hold it right there.
	We're at the bottom of the hour.
	We'll be right back.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 27th, 1998.
	The world was on fire and no one could save me but you.
	Strange were desires that make foolish people do.
	Midnight at the Oasis.
	Send your camel to bed.
	Shadows paintin' our faces.
	Tracin' the romance in our hands.
	Heaven's holdin' our hands.
	Moon, shine is just for us.
	Just for us Let's slip off to a sand dune
	Breathe the sand Kick up a little dust
	Come on Catch a kiss on the breast
	Keep on the down the way Come on
	Till the evening ends Till the evening ends
	You don't have to answer There's no need to see.
	I'll be your belly dancer, prancer, and you can be my sheep.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from July 27th, 1998.
	Out here in the middle of the desert, and if you want to see what the stars look like from the desert, out here in cactus country, it's on my studio cam right now.
	Take a look and I'd love to have your comments by email or fax.
	It is definitely a smashing success.
	And we're just getting started.
	So, take a look.
	See, it's at www.artbell.com and just click on the studio cam.
	It refreshes, I don't know, about every 30 seconds or so.
	And I'll stop it sometime before dawn begins to break, obviously.
	But what you're looking at is a camera which has been coupled to a night vision scope.
	It's quite a remarkable device.
	And I can go out there and kind of point it at any point in the sky I want to.
	What I really need is a motorized mount out there so I can kind of move it around.
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	If this was up to you, would you go back to the moon or would you go straight to Mars?
	That's not even the question I would ask.
	There could be scientific reasons to go to one destination.
	Geopolitical reasons to go to another.
	There could be tourist business reasons to go, maybe you want to mine an asteroid.
	And so that when you reach that state, then the solar system becomes your backyard.
	And now you have the freedom to go where you want.
	That's what a spacefaring nation needs to do.
	Now let's go back to the night of July 27th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Back we go to Whitley, where the night of July 27th, 1998, took place.
	Back we go to Whitley, where the night of July 27th, 1998, took place.
	Whitley, you're back on the air again.
	Is there anything during the night, Whitley, that we should have been talking about and should have said and haven't gotten to?
	Well, I don't think so.
	I think we've pretty well covered everything.
	I would just like to say that in my life, since I wrote Confirmation, I have been very troubled by the fact that it went completely unreviewed anywhere in the country, virtually, except in the New York Review of Books, which had a An attack on me that said nothing.
	Why do you think it went unreviewed?
	About the evidence in the book?
	Because I think that there is a large part of this society, the society is breaking in half.
	It is literally splitting in half.
	There are people who can handle this material, like what has been being discussed tonight, because after all, I offer No proof at all of this encounter that I had on June the 6th, except my own sincerity.
	There are a lot of people out there who just can't deal with that.
	When I handed them a book that had hard evidence in it that there may be something very solid and very physically real behind all of these kinds of experiences, they literally couldn't.
	Well, you know, if it was just Whitley Strieber who had these encounters, and the rest of the world didn't, yeah, boy, would you be in trouble.
	But more and more people are coming forward, so I sense a sort of a sea change in the way these things are greeted.
	Anyway, back to the lines.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Good morning.
	Is this, uh, Art?
	Yes, it is.
	Hi, this is Mike calling from, uh, Windy City of Eau Claire, Wisconsin.
	Yes, sir.
	Uh, good morning, Whitley.
	Good morning.
	Uh, the reason I was calling you, I had a question about, you said when you first began to have these experiences, uh, they were more dreamlike?
	Not the first one.
	Well, not the first one.
	No, the first one was no dream.
	Okay.
	In December of 85, you can read about it in my book, Communion.
	Oh, I've read Communion.
	That's one of the things.
	I've read all your books.
	I was really looking forward to this program tonight because I did catch the show everybody has been talking about.
	Let me be clear about it.
	They weren't like sitting down and having a conversation with somebody at all.
	Right.
	They were something else.
	They weren't like a dream.
	Because you came away from them shaken, in fact overwhelmed often with the experience, and physically wrecked sometimes.
	I mean they were intense, but I never felt that they were as real fundamentally as sitting down and talking with someone across a living room.
	This experience that happened on June the 6th was I had one a year ago, October, as I said, but it was only about 30 seconds in what I would say was normal reality.
	This one just proceeded, and I just wondered who this man was.
	I've even thought to myself that maybe he was just a perfectly ordinary person who woke me up out of a dead sleep, and I just reacted this way, but I don't think so.
	You mentioned communion.
	I read communion.
	I read it.
	I spent the night with it.
	I fell asleep that night.
	I had an interesting dream.
	That's why I was kind of talking to you about this.
	In the dream I was just laying there in these apparently tan-type beings, small, just scurrying around at an extremely rapid pace.
	It was a very instantaneous kind of thing.
	I heard my daughter crying in the bedroom.
	I woke up.
	And it was all over, but it was a really weird experience.
	That's why I guess I was kind of talking to you a little bit about dreams.
	I guess I thought it was a dream, and that's why I still feel today it was a dream.
	Well, these experiences feel real, but they unfold like dreams.
	That type of experience does.
	I went through a long period of time in the late 80s trying to decide.
	Like, I wanted to keep writing about this, but what do you write about?
	How do you choose what was a dream and what was not a dream?
	It was really a hard choice to make in some cases, because I was never certain that all of it wasn't a dream.
	Because even then, there were enough physical experiences.
	Like, I had these nine knocks on the side of my house one night.
	They were not a dream.
	There was no question about what they were.
	They were A. Impossible, B. Delivered with perfect precision beyond anything I'd ever heard in my life before, and C. My cats reacted to them just like I did.
	Sure.
	In other words, it was not a dream.
	And to me, that was a signal that many other things that I had been putting off as dreams weren't dreams either.
	Right.
	Then again, you do dream in these cases.
	You do dream, and I do have a big imagination.
	If these are beings that can travel through space and time, why couldn't they enter your dreams, your unconscious mind?
	Well, I have letters from many people who say that the visitors walked right into the middle of one of their dreams.
	It never happened to me.
	I did write you once a long time ago after reading.
	I think it was Transformation.
	Yes, it was a wonderful experience after Transformation.
	I was laying in bed one night.
	That was a scary experience for me.
	Because I was just laying in bed, I'd read your other book, and I was laying on my side, and no one was in the house but myself.
	And it was almost as if someone took a finger and just poked me in the back.
	Well, needless to say, I freaked out.
	I jumped up like Brady the Fisticuff.
	And that's maybe the reason they don't contact people so much.
	It's because I get the feeling, when that occurred to me, that they were afraid of me.
	I don't think so.
	I once would have said, yeah, maybe it is, but no, I don't think so.
	In fact, I'm sure not.
	I don't think so.
	I once would have said, yeah, maybe it is, but no, I don't think so.
	In fact, I'm sure not.
	I mean I'm a guy lying here on a bed.
	Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying.
	So I don't know, where does dream stuff end and reality begin?
	implant in my left ear that cannot be removed by a surgeon and I don't think that's a dream.
	Well no, absolutely not. No, it's not a dream. I'm feeling it right now with my fingers.
	I had a surgeon on sir, I don't know. Yeah, I heard you talking about that. Well there you are.
	Yeah, I know exactly what you're saying. So I don't know where does dream stuff end and reality
	begin? It's kind of a blur. Yeah.
	If you have enough close encounters, it gets to be more of a blur, believe me.
	I'm sure it does, and I'm sure at times even you wonder.
	Of course I do.
	Yeah, sure.
	It's a huge question when I'm writing a book, because I don't want to put my own dreams and imagination in it.
	I want to put in what really happened.
	You know, it's funny that the books always start out, the dots are perfectly connected, and it all seems just as real as it can be.
	and my wife Ann reads them and she's always she'll say well now when you describe this to me it didn't sound as like it does you know you need to back off on this and make it a little less less clear and less distinct and so the books are revised again and again not to make them more clear but to make them less clear until late they have the same flavor as my own actual experience sure no I understand um It's fascinating.
	Absolutely fascinating.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Whitley Strieber and Art Bell.
	Hi.
	Oh, hello.
	This is Wayne calling from Honolulu KHV.
	He's too faint, Art.
	Wayne, you're going to have to yell at us.
	I'm calling from KHVH Honolulu.
	Yes, sir.
	And then Whitley was talking about Jesus being like a Piscine avatar holding... Well, he talked about fishes and then Jesus gave the Sermon on the Mount holding up two fishes, yeah?
	And Pisces is supposed to be a sign of illusion, hoaxing, con artists, artists, prisons.
	So Jesus could have been like a secret Piscean avatar, yeah?
	Well, it's also a sign of order and philosophy and other things like that.
	It has both a dark and light side, like all of the signs do.
	But we're moving into the age of Aquarius, which is like openness, eccentricity, mechanical things, very unusual things.
	So the next avatar could possibly be extraterrestrial, yeah?
	Well, I guess.
	We'll have to see.
	Yeah?
	But this age of... moving to the age of Aquarius, it's the polar opposite of the age of Leo.
	Yes it is.
	And then the age of Leo was supposed to be the age of the Atlantean age, yeah?
	It was the age in which, uh, the age of Leo is the time, uh, when there was a period of tremendous chaos on the Earth.
	There was, uh, I mean, this is a geologic fact.
	It's not really in dispute that there were extinctions of large creatures all over the planet.
	This is when the mastodons and so forth and mammoths all disappeared.
	Uh, And people like Graham Hancock and Brandon Rose Flemath, who wrote the book When the Sky Fell, believe that the crust of the Earth actually shifted on the subsurface and drew areas of the planet that had been temperate up under the cold air of the Arctic and Antarctic, and thrust other areas that had been cold into warmer climates, causing all of the ice to melt.
	Which caused all of the floods that we have these distant racial memories of in the stories of Noah and the other floods.
	Well, I think John Anthony West was trying to trace the origin of the pyramids 13,000 years ago, which would be the age of Leo or the Atlantean age.
	It would be, yes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And the Sphinx as well.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And then Edgar Cayce said currently there's a lot of Atlantean souls being reincarnated into the age of Aquarius.
	Which is the polarity of Leo, which is the age of Atlantis.
	And then Edgar Cayce said that, oh, the Atlanteans tried to have all their babies born in the sign of Leo.
	Why would that be?
	Well, they wanted more Leos, because they felt that Leos are leaders.
	Oh, I see.
	Well, I'm a Gemini.
	So am I. Are you?
	So am I. Indeed we are.
	I didn't know we were both Gemini's.
	Right.
	That accounts for a lot.
	Right.
	East of the Rockies, hello, you're on the air with Whitley Streber and Art Bell.
	Where are you, sir?
	I'm in Tullahoma, Tennessee.
	All right.
	Good morning, Art.
	Good morning, Whitley.
	Good morning.
	Y'all were talking about a number of interesting issues and everything.
	Talking about his encounter.
	Is it a possibility that the encounter he had was part of what is to come as far as what we should accept and part of the knowledge that was imparted?
	Is it a possibility of what you were talking about on the Grays being so aggressive and ferocious?
	Is it a possibility that they would be a part of the society that would not want us to be there?
	Well, I don't know.
	I don't know how to answer that.
	That's an interesting question and I just, in all honesty, I don't want to try and answer to something because I just don't understand enough.
	There were other aspects of the Grays that I saw a couple of times that were really amazing.
	I mean, they were not at all ferocious.
	They were just the gentlest.
	There was a lady, Raven Dana.
	We had a situation happen at our cabin where this little gray being came into the cabin when we had about ten or eleven people in there and went from one bedroom to the next, waking people up.
	Raven had the presence of mind to hold her hand out and this creature held her hand and she said that he I don't know.
	her to be very, very mild and shy.
	She did not have anything like the impression that I have had at all.
	So it's a real various thing.
	It's real complicated.
	The letters we get, some people have the experiences with the greys that are really scary like
	I did.
	They seem almost like little forest, like Raven described this creature as being like
	a little forest creature.
	At first she thought a raccoon had gotten into the house.
	That's how she reacted to it.
	So it's so varied and all over the lot.
	You just don't know.
	It could be a possibility like our society then that certain factions of society are
	not as accepted.
	If we showed up on another planet, can you imagine how they would try to figure out what the heck we were all about?
	I mean, they'd have a hard time figuring me out, Whitley.
	Hell, me too!
	I mean, all of us.
	From one side of the country to the other, we all have a difficult time, to some degree, figuring each other out.
	The people from Tennessee are not quite like the people from L.A.
	Well, it takes all kinds.
	Who are not like the people from the Bronx, believe me.
	All right, my friend, thank you.
	And those are very small cultural differences.
	Woodley, we have come to the end of it.
	Well, it's hard to believe.
	Yeah, I know.
	It just goes right by.
	It does go by.
	Your unreviewed book, Confirmation, is available pretty much nationwide, isn't it?
	It is available still, yes.
	People should go into bookstores and demand it if they don't see it.
	You should get it, because too many people don't realize just how strong the evidence really is.
	All this incredible stuff we've been talking about tonight is grounded in physical evidence.
	That's the amazing thing.
	It is an amazing thing, and we will do another program soon, and I guess After tonight, we'll be on an NBC special sometime this fall, together.
	We'll certainly keep everyone up to date about its progress.
	Well, I tell you, I love TV crews, Whitley.
	Are you kidding?
	Yes.
	I think that you are.
	I didn't get a call about how they messed up your house.
	No, they were really nice guys.
	They're always nice, but you know.
	Well, we tried to send the nicest people we could up there.
	They were nice.
	Whitley, you take care.
	You too.
	That's it, folks.
	We are out of time.
	And listen, in the last 15 minutes or so, my studio cam has pretty well been covered by clouds.
	Clouds moved over, so I'm going to try and pick another spot in the sky and take a final shot.
	Boy, has this been fun or what?
	You can actually see the clouds moving over.
	That's it from the high desert tonight.

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