Whitley Strieber reveals his NBC special Confirmation presents hard evidence of UFO phenomena, including an inexplicable ear implant that reacts to surgical attempts and emits sounds, dismissing skepticism as denial of humanity’s fractured connection to higher dimensions. He links global volcanic activity—Mount Etna’s eruption, Popocatépetl’s warnings—and extreme heat waves (126°F in New Delhi) to "climatic discontinuity," citing 500-million-year-old Cambrian shale anomalies and Okinawa’s underwater structures as proof of suppressed ancient civilizations. A June 6th Toronto encounter left him hearing thoughts telepathically, suggesting Earth’s decline is irreversible but tied to cosmic shifts beyond time. Strieber rejects "aliens as scientists," proposing instead a lost divine link or multidimensional origins, while callers debate free will, causality, and whether humanity must endure its fate alone—echoing Philip Corso’s warning that no external salvation awaits. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, or good morning as the case may be across all these many diverse time zones stretching commercially from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Islands, outwest eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole and worldwide on the internet.
This is post-host a.m. and I'm Mark Bell.
Good morning.
I've got something kind of special for you tonight.
Many of you may recall that I've been promising to do something that nobody else has done and I have done it.
Tonight is the first.
We have taken my normal studio cam that you can see on the internet that shows photographs of me doing the show, during the show, and we have connected it to get this, a night vision scope, and all of this has been mounted outside the house and is presently looking at the northwestern dark sky.
And what you will see if you check out my studio cam in the next couple of hours or so is a live shot that will refresh every 30 seconds.
Now, bear in mind that in the direction this camera is pointed is the infamous Area 51.
Now, I by no means promise that you will see something unusual or unexplained, but every 30 seconds you will get a new photograph, and by golly, you can see the stars.
And of course, as they blink, as the atmosphere changes a little bit, you will notice they will move a little bit.
But as the evening progresses, who knows what you might see on that camera.
All right, Whitley Streeber is going to be here.
And we are going to be discussing the state of the environment along with a lot of other things.
And so I thought you'd want to hear this.
Mount Aetna appears to be building to a big eruption, as well as Popo down in Mexico and rumblings going on in the northwest.
In fact, worldwide, the volcanoes appear about ready to erupt.
Let me read you about Aetna.
One of the newly formed craters on the southeast slopes of Mount Aetna lights up the night sky during a current state of activity which volcanologists warn could herald a serious new eruption.
The activity inside Europe's tallest and most active volcano in Sicily has continued for several days now and two new craters have formed inside the cone.
So Mount Etna may be about to go.
All over the world right now, volcanoes are getting ready to go.
This is something we're going to discuss with Whitley Strieber shortly.
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Now let's go back to the night of July 27, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
And that's why, for example, that it has hardly been reviewed or even mentioned at all in the press.
And yet it sold so well.
Because the book just lays it out in a very calm and clear way what the hard evidence is.
And as you go through this evidence, it becomes completely overwhelming.
Not only is there something strange unfolding In our skies, part of it has to do with our classic idea of UFOs and spaceships, but it goes way beyond that.
This same experience is unfolding in our lives and in our bodies in the form of implants and these extraordinary experiences that people keep having.
Well, I know, I recall on a recent program that you brought your surgeon on the air, and he talked about trying to remove an implant that, by the way, you still, I guess, have in your ear.
And he described to me taking the scalpel and going in and going after that implant.
And when he got to it, the damn thing moved, and I guess he totally freaked out.
And so he decided, no, it's not going to get the best of me.
He went further in, he got to the implant again, and it moved again.
And the video of that will be part of the special, by the way.
My wife made a video of it because we hadn't really, to be honest, told him very much about it, except that it was irritating me because when I slept on it at night, my ear would get sore and it would wake me up.
And he felt it and quite casually said, oh, it's a little cyst.
I'll gladly take it out for you.
But he knew, I mean, he was aware of communion and all of this.
And so he was wary.
He kept saying, you know, this isn't an implant, is it?
And I said, oh, I'm not sure.
I don't think so.
I maybe, could be.
And so when he opened the thing up, there was this long silence.
And on the video, you see him just staring in there.
Well, my best guess is that it has to do with a lot of different things.
There are lots of reasons for it.
And it is, in my opinion, probably the most fundamentally important thing that's happening right now.
I also suspect that it's happening to many, many more people than are aware of it.
I think the ones who notice it are kind of freaks.
We're sort of...
sort of...
Yeah, we're the ones whose defense mechanisms are kind of broken because you find among us a lot of people who have had other kinds of traumas, especially traumas that involve a total dislocation of reality, like being in major accidents or having severe diseases and near-death experiences or being victims of abuse of different kinds or of attacks.
I would think that imagination would play a large role in the experience of anyone who has a life like mine where I spend a lot of my time trying to cope with things that often with experiences that don't even have words to describe them.
In my books, I do not let my imagination creep in.
I work hard to prevent that, and I'm skilled at it because I use my imagination as a tool I use in the writing of the fiction, not in the writing of the fact.
As extraordinary and as strange as the factual books are, those are as close to what really happened to me as I am able to communicate, and I can tell the difference between my imagination and what is real around me.
I'm quite skilled at that, and I have become more skilled over the years because my mind has been challenged to the limit in this area.
I think it's going to blow a few minds when it gets on the air.
It's going to be very exciting.
And we've got recreations that are going to mean Steve Neal, you know, the special effects artist who's also an abductee, is doing models and so forth.
And I think we're going to have a very high level of skill in doing the recreations and so forth.
Well, I think that the people who were scoffing at the millennium were wrong, frankly.
I mean, I was one of them at one point.
I was saying to myself, well...
Well, yeah.
I mean, why would the change of the calendar in one particular religion make a difference?
But it's actually deeper than that.
It's very, very deep, this change in the calendar that's happening.
Because let me explain to you something that's...
But when the birth of Christ and the remeasurement of calendars, at the time that Christ was born in the ancient world, there were seven or eight calendars running at the time.
But by the 5th century AD, the whole Western world was on one calendar.
And this calendar was not simply measuring from the birth of Christ.
It was also measuring in a much older calendrical system from the beginning of the age of Pisces, which coincided with Christ's birth.
This is why the most ancient symbol of Christ is the fish.
But it's a much bigger scale calendar than people think.
Because we have actually gone back on 2,000 years ago.
Somebody who had to do with the birth of Christ put us back on the astrological calendar.
And the symbol of Christ, the fish, became the symbol of this age of Pisces that we have just gone through.
Now, the change of age that's taking place now is not just reaching the millennium, the second millennium after the birth of Christ, it is also the beginning of the age of Aquarius.
In other words, we are now, we were replaced on the astrological calendar 2,000 years ago.
Also, another thing, I don't know if you've noticed this, but if you have your own thermometers, you will find them generally going up a few degrees, or sometimes more than a few degrees, higher than is being reported by the weather.
What I believe is the case is that this is the same thing that has caused the La Nina, the cold, to come up so forcefully in the area where the El Niño was in the Pacific.
Whitley Streeber is with us this morning, and we are sort of doing a bit of a radio tease version of what's going to be on NBC sometime in all probability this fall or so.
A special.
And it's going to be about all the things we talk about, all the things we talk about with Whitley, all the things that are happening all around us, including climate change.
We'll get back to that in a moment.
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You're listening to Arc Bell somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 27, 1998.
Well, I think it's actually in many ways a better term because it's ironic that global warming is likely to bring extraordinary cooling to certain areas of the Earth.
Now, the pendulum is swinging faster and faster, and I understand that you have made some sort of discovery with regard to a fossil record that would prove some sort of climactic discontinuity in the past.
The Karoo has been, since that age, the Karoo has been very dry and not populated by many animals with the result that it is one of the world's great treasure troves of fossils.
Many of these creatures, Dicinodonts and all kinds of creatures with funny names that you don't often hear, are the predecessors, Lystrosaurus, other theropsids, are the predecessors of the mammals of today.
Well, I don't know how, whether or not it's regular and cyclical, but what I do know is that what's recently been discovered is apparently what happened then was a result of the kind of climactic discontinuity that we're at the beginning stages of right now.
The oceans had become, as the planet had warmed steadily, the oceans became stagnant.
In other words, what happens is, at first, there is an intensification in the circulation of the oceans, where the warm water and the cold water begin to change places more and more rapidly, which is what we're seeing now.
Well, what they find among these fossils is that some of these creatures, they're often found in the remains of burrows where they had literally dug down into the earth to escape the heat and died there.
Do you think, Whitley, that it's millennium madness, or do you think that people are sensing a real event that lies ahead and instinctually they're sort of burrowing and digging in?
Some years ago, I read a study, I mean, this was quite a number of years ago in the late 70s, which theorized that if we began to see temperature increases on the order of half a degree a year, that would mean that we were in a runaway global warming situation, a runaway atmospheric weather discontinuity.
And we saw that very amount of increase last year, and the way this year is looking, it's going to be even more.
No, it's obvious that there's something going on with the interior of the planet.
And I, personally, you know, we just really, you know, we have such wonderful science, but in one respect, we seem to just live in the dark ages, and that is we've never been able to get enough different scientific disciplines together to where they could work together to understand the total picture well enough to predict what's going to happen next.
I wonder, my own personal thought is that maybe there's some kind of a connection between the unquiet sun and all of the volcanism on the planet.
It's a very unusual time.
There's all of this volcanism.
There are a great decline, as you've talked about in the first hour, in earthquake activity, which I add is punctuated, is being punctuated by a lot of very sharp, short, and in some cases real dangerous earthquakes, such as the one that hit off the coast of Sumatra and killed thousands of people with a tidal wave a few days ago.
A lot of UFO activity, and a lot of it seems to be concentrated in areas where there are dramatic changes taking place, like for example in Mexico.
You know, it's interesting that Jane Massan, the great Mexican journalist who has chronicled the UFO events down there so amazingly over the past seven or eight years, is also was the last newsman to go into the crater of Popocata Petal.
And he was there because he was doing research on all of the UFOs that had been seen around the mountain.
Anyway, here's a question that the gentlemen who are here right now asked me before the show, and I think it's appropriate to ask right now.
Since we've got UFOs being seen near volcanoes, seen when there are eclipses, seen near earthquake sites, some conclude that, you know, just before something massive occurs, they're going to sweep down and save our butts.
And there was just been another outburst of UFO activity in that area, which is just not too far north of where that strange water formation is in the Gulf.
So it seems to an extent that there is UFO activity around, almost like it's pointing to places where there's some kind of special situation or special danger going on.
Right, and that is what causes people to conclude that they're going to come and save our asses.
And I don't believe it.
I don't believe it.
I think that they are watching us, they are monitoring us, and much like God suggests we have free will, they're going to allow us to have free will too.
And if we depend on them to come and save us, we'll be sorry.
I think that my impression of the visitors as I understand them is that it would be a very hard thing for us if that happened, if something like that happened.
To be saved under those circumstances, I think you might be better off being left behind.
One is that depicted, you recall, in Close Encounters of the Third Kind, a warm, fuzzy little guy that you'd want to take home and put in your closet with your stuffed animals, right?
Of another book, because there was something about the way it worked that everything that was said, every word that was said, had kind of freight with it.
It had, it seems to me, almost an infinity of meanings.
And there were also some words used that I cannot remember at the same time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from July 27, 1998.
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Calling in love with you Shall I say Would it be a You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in Time, tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from July 27, 1998.
Well, NBC is still here, but they have taken themselves outside.
Now, listen, we've got a new feature, a very unusual new feature that I think is absolutely totally cool.
What we've got is my studio cam, which, as you know, sometimes takes outside shots and can take shots of me in here doing the program.
We now have a studio cam coupled with a night vision scope.
Occasionally you will see it go black.
Now, it works automatically.
And when I say automatically, I mean when there is any significant amount Of light outside, as in when outside lights go on, it automatically turns itself off.
There is a sensor to protect the night vision scope, which automatically cuts the voltage to the night vision scope and turns it off.
But during the time, so it'll go totally black, during the time that it is on, you're getting a look at the northwest portion of my sky from here in Paramp.
And those little white dots you see are stars.
Now, it takes a photograph every 30 seconds.
So I have no way of knowing.
But one of these hours, one of these days soon, it's going to take a picture of something pretty odd.
And I'm sure there's lots of people out there monitoring what's showing up on that studio cam right now.
So you might kind of keep your eyes fixed on it for a while and see what you see.
Because here in Perump, every now and then, now it's not like it's an hourly event.
It's not like Old Faithful or anything.
But we do have some rather odd things in the sky here.
So as you know, I've been working on this for a long time, and I've got it up now.
Widley Striber is my guest.
He had an encounter with some visitors on June 6th.
He got to actually communicate vocally with them.
That's how much we found out so far.
He got to ask questions.
Prior to the top of the hour, I asked him if I were to hear the answers to those questions, would I be happy?
And he said no.
So, in a moment, we'll find out exactly what the questions were and more to the point what the answers were.
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So, in a moment, we'll find out exactly what the answers were.
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I think now, as we look back, we can probably say with pretty good certainty that some people in government might have been aware of what was going on and they turned their cheek the other way just to let it happen.
I also believe that some bigger groups got involved with al-Qaeda to do what they did on that horrible day.
This wasn't just a small group of people who came in and did their thing.
There was a much bigger picture there.
And if you see the events that have unfolded since this tragedy occurred, how we've lost rights, how we used it to go in Afghanistan and Iraq, and how it has really not stopped.
Because it's going to continue.
We're going to have more and more episodes and more and more involvement in other countries.
And just mark my word, this planet is going through an incredible change.
And thank God we've got you here to talk with us about it.
Now let's go back to the night of July 27th, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
But in any case, there was a knock on the door, and for some reason, I thought that I had fallen asleep waiting for room service.
And I jumped up out of the bed, which I normally would not do in the middle of the night, and rushed to the door, yelling, oh, I'm terribly sorry.
I threw the door open, and this man walked in.
He was not as tall as I was.
I am.
He was shorter.
He looked sort of familiar to me.
He didn't look like an alien at all.
And the reason he looked familiar to me is because the children, back in the days when we had our cabin in upstate New York, used to see this man in the woods a lot, running through the woods.
And some of the workmen who worked in the once I had some workmen take down some poison ivy that had gotten into some trees, and they saw him, and they came up to the house and they said, we're finished.
We're not going to work here anymore because of that man that's running around out in the woods is weird and he looks like someone out of one of your books.
So he had a rather angular face, but he was like a man in his 70s.
It's about what he looked like, a small, compact man in his 70s.
And, you know, he could have walked down any street.
He was wearing very dark clothes that night, but if he had been wearing a suit, no one would have taken a second look at him.
He walked straight down into the room and stood in front of the windows.
And I was, at first I was simply appalled because I thought I had let someone, you know, I had done a very foolish thing.
But then there was something about him.
There was something about what was going on that was, I immediately realized that this was some kind of a contact experience, even though it wasn't like any of the others I had had.
He may have said something in my head or something.
I don't remember exactly what he did.
But I walked over to him and I said, where are you from?
And he only smiled at me and I felt an extraordinary sense of companionship with this person.
So I sat down on the edge of the bed and he began talking in a quiet, very pleasant sort of voice, a very firm voice.
And he said, he spoke with kind of excessive clarity, like he was afraid I wouldn't be able to understand him.
He said, the fish has been carried in the water, and now the urn, I guess he said, will be cast down and broken.
And I thought to myself, then what happens?
And he responded immediately to my thought.
He said, and again, this was one of these things, moments when there were words that were bigger than our words somehow.
But I understood it to mean that this was a moment as big in terms of the history of life on our planet as the moment when creatures first walked out of the ocean.
That we were living through such a moment and that we had been created to survive this moment.
That most of human history had been spent in a state of two and three dimensional consciousness.
That we are now active in three dimensions, but we are about to leap beyond this and become, in effect, a self-creator.
The next thing he said was that we are about to leave this consciousness, that we are about to extend human consciousness outside of space and time altogether.
And he said, you will leave the footprints you now see in the past.
That it would be not just a spiritual thing, but a physical thing.
And I said, what footprints?
And he referred me to a book called Forbidden Archaeology, with which I am quite familiar.
And we will synchronistically do a radio broadcast as well from satellite phone, but we'll have actual video from 100 feet underwater of these pyramids and so forth they've found.
And here we've got ancient structures, it would seem, 100 feet below the water right here on Earth, and we're having as big an argument about whether they're natural or not natural as we are about Sidonia on Mars.
And if we can't settle something 100 feet underwater here on Earth, how in the world are we ever going to settle the question of Sidonia?
Well, if you read these, you know, if you read books like the books by William Corliss, which are his book, I don't think it's even in print anymore, called A Handbook of Puzzling Artifacts, what you find is that there were and are found all the time artifacts that don't make sense.
But there is a filtering mechanism in the academic community.
With the result that over the years, as one anomaly after another has been ignored, we have gradually built up a conventional picture of the past that is a hallucination.
My guest is Whitley Streeber, and we're about to get down to where the rubber meets the road and ask some questions.
However, before we do that, a couple of things.
One, I would like to again say you have got to see my studio can because we have done something really, really, really, really cool.
I think it's totally cool.
We have put together, with the assistance of Bob Crane and a lot of brainstorming, we have managed to couple a night vision scope with a video camera.
And I have it mounted outside.
And right now, I just changed the position, and I moved the camera to an area roughly over Mount Charleston.
In other words, I came from the west a little more toward the north.
And what you're seeing are stars, bright stars and not so bright stars.
And of course, because of the atmosphere, you're seeing one appear a little brighter one moment than the next.
It'll take a picture about every 30 seconds.
But what you're seeing is live over my house right now to Give you some idea of what the stars look like out here in the desert.
It's absolutely astounding.
You can't know what stars look like in the desert until you come out here and get a look-see for yourself.
But I'm able, it took, we've been working on this for about two months, and tonight it's really paying off.
So about every 30 seconds, you will see a new picture, now a little more toward the north.
I went out during the break and moved a little more toward the north.
It is an astounding thing to see.
For those of you particularly who live in the city and don't see it this way, I think you'll just be blown away by what's up there.
It's amazing.
So anyway, we're pointed roughly north, perhaps just a little tiny west of north right now.
And of course, it's good and dark out here.
There's just a tiny sliver of a moon.
And it may be already down for all I know.
I didn't even take a look.
But take a look at what we've got.
It's on my website.
All you do is go to my website and click on Studio Cam and take a look.
And what you're seeing is live, real-time, the way the stars look out here in the desert right now.
It is an astounding thing to be able to do.
So anyway, there you have it.
That's what we're doing.
In a moment, we'll get back to Whitley.
And as I said, where the tire hits the road, we'll begin to ask some tough questions, as I know Whitley did.
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Now let's go back to the night of July 27, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Well, what I took away from it was really this, that there is something enormous is happening.
that literally the fish is going to be out of water soon.
The old symbol of Pisces is going to be...
You know, Aquarius is...
The symbol of Aquarius is water being poured out of an urn, out of a jar.
And I think we're being And we're going to be on our own in ways that we have never been before.
And nature's end is coming.
And it's going to be up to us to sustain this world in ways that perhaps we didn't even know we could.
The impression I got was that there was going to be a time of incredible upheaval that is a combination of death and birth both.
And that we're going to end up having a kind of a birth into a whole new way of being for which we have really been created and that is the reason that we don't use all of our brains.
That's going to change.
That we are going to be using all of ourselves.
And it's going to be a change that isn't just spiritual or mental at all, but an actual change in the way we are physically as well.
That we're going to be able to do things, the same things that we can imagine doing walking through time and so forth that we're going to be able to physically do.
When I walked downstairs in the hotel, it was like a cacophony of voices.
It was like a crowd talking.
And after about five or six minutes, I realized that when I looked at someone, I could hear it's not exactly words, but I could sort of hear what they were, where their thoughts were originating and their desires.
It was a very disturbing, and it was something that I thought could represent some kind of a pathological reaction on my part to what had happened the night before and then not be real, in other words.
You know, there are a number of people like Daniel Brinkley and others who have suffered severe physical trauma.
In his case, he was hit by lightning.
There have been many other cases.
And people for periods of time afterward have become very psychic and have been able to literally read minds, in Daniel's case, to the degree that it was like a million people talking to him when he was in a crowd.
They weren't talking to me, but it was like a big crowd of being in a, like everyone was just talking away when I went down into the lobby of the hotel, which was sort of a startling, I mean, because mostly people, you know, they weren't actually talking.
In fact, all of my novels sort of prefigure my close encounter experience.
Like it was like I was writing, I was reenacting buried memories or working through buried memories from my childhood when I wrote the books.
Memories of close encounters then that I had forgotten.
But anyway, when I got into the car with the lady that was taking me around in Toronto, I was so embarrassed because I could hear her mind.
And she was like a little trapped bird.
She wanted so badly to be over with this job that I kept trying to hurry.
I was going from bookstore to bookstore, signing books, and I was trying so hard to hurry so that I could get her out of there and get her back to where she wanted to go and what she wanted to do.
It was such an acute feeling.
But then within a half hour or so, I was rushing off to the airport and I forgot about that, and it faded and never came back.
But it represented to me a little hint of what we're going to be.
And like the strange synchronicity between this show and what happened on Sunday night has to do with that in a way, that our minds are linked.
It's not a coincidence and it's not an accident.
It's because your mind and my mind and his mind are somehow linked and we're creating this structure right now between the three of us, kind of playing off of each other.
And there's an effort to maybe make it all a little bit more powerful and a little bit stronger in the minds of those who are receptive to it.
And maybe close the minds of those who are just going to sit back and say, oh, well, they cooked it all up.
Here, lying in front of us, that somehow or another, the show on Sunday night, what was said there, prefigured this.
And I had no idea, frankly, that we were going to get into this this deeply tonight, even after I sent you the facts that I sent you earlier, which doesn't mention any of this.
After I lost my cabin, I thought that I had lost my contact with the visitors forever.
You know, they came, there were two encounters, and after that, and then it just ended, and then suddenly this happened, and this was much, much more than anything else that has ever been in my life.
I mean, it was the most extraordinary time I've ever had in my life.
I never expected it would be like this.
And I had such a profound feeling of the humanness of the whole thing during that art.
It seemed like like this experience of being human was the most sacred thing that's ever been known.
It was just absolutely incredible.
The feeling of value that I had about us, about me, and about you and about every human being, as if we are so sacred that we can't let ourselves see it because we could not bear the light that is inside us.
Why do you think what was verboden for so long is now suddenly acceptable to the degree that there's a national announcement that a major university and professors are going to be studying UFOs?
They're saying what the government refuses to say, that there is enough evidence to justify a serious study.
I think it's because they are aware of the fact that there is an absolutely magnificent discovery of some kind in all of this, and I think these people would probably like to be the ones who make it.
They're motivated by the excellence of the evidence and the strong suggestion that behind that evidence there lies the most marvelous and possibly the most tofo, the most terrifying discovery in human history.
So, you know, they see it as a massive career opportunity.
Would be my guest in part.
And another side of it, though, certain ones that I know, I don't know Dr. Stewart very well.
I've just spoken to him on the phone once or twice.
We corresponded a couple of times.
But I think that they are interested in things like one of them I know is interested in a non-heat engine in forms of energy that don't involve the use of heat.
And he sees this as essential to the welfare of mankind because if we can't get billions of people living off of this planet, then we're not going to be living on it either.
And so he's driven by that.
And he wants to use whatever knowledge he can gain from this technology that he sees all around him to try to understand how it works so that he can make things that will enable us to travel as freely in space as he sees them doing.
And he's quite driven.
I mean, he's a man who, this particular one, is totally indifferent to these issues of whether or not they're real.
He's only interested in what he can learn from them.
So these guys tend to be very practical in that sense.
They want the knowledge that seems to be hanging there ready to be plucked from the tree.
I hope that's an analogy that a lot of your listeners will resonate with.
First of all, when he was speaking of the encounter earlier, he mentioned that the gentleman had told him that our world is coming apart.
And I was wondering if he gave, I mean, we all know what's going on around us, but if he gave any specifics as to a clue or something that might be happening, you know, in the near future.
One of the things that has happened over the course of the past, say, four or five years in my experience has been that I have, it's become more and more human.
And I haven't seen anything that looks like an alien in a long time.
Three years, it's been.
And so, and this man was, as I said earlier, he could easily walk down the street.
I mean, he was just a man, in fact, an old, rather tired-looking man with extraordinary, just amazing knowledge and some extraordinary qualities that balance.
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I have to tell you something strange that happened.
Nine of them came in my room one night and they looked like the little guys in the MUFON book in the blue suits.
I think that this is something in a way bigger than that.
You know, that maybe there are people who are in some way connected more with other planets than this one, but that the primary meaning of it is not like scientists who have come from astronauts who were another planet who are studying us.
That the primary meaning of it is something that we haven't really grasped yet, that's kind of beyond our knowledge in a way.
And that they also, as are we, beyond our own knowledge.
When I woke up in the morning, my feet were still off the foot of the bed.
I hadn't even gotten all the way into the bed.
But I felt very good.
I felt fine when I woke up.
I didn't feel exhausted as I sometimes used to after these things.
You know, there was, for many years, those of the guests, of the listeners who have followed me, they know that I always would say, we have to keep this in question.
We're not sure.
I'm not sure.
But I'm not saying that anymore.
And also, this is the first time I've ever talked in detail about an encounter before.
The other thing that I'd like to ask you is you touched on this just a minute ago that you've always believed that maybe DETs it's not just something as straightforward as another race visiting from another planet.
Yes.
I've always had the belief that maybe the real purpose here is to give us a hand up to the Creator.
Do you think that could possibly be why they're here?
Well, my own religious life became very important to me after I started having my close encounters, partly because they were, at least in the first few years, they were so rough that I had to have something to fall back on.
And then I began to get into the discipline of having a simple faith, which is in this day and age, and with someone like me had been a total skeptic and very scientifically oriented, not even an agnostic, for many years, and had also been a searcher.
I mean, I've been in the Gurdjieff Foundation.
I've done all kinds of things like that.
It was a big step to take.
And yet, that's where the experience has led me.
And so I have tried to have, my faith is just as simple as a child's.
I try to make it that way.
And to live comfortably in that, because that's what seems to be the meaning of it for me.
But I think, though, are we going to end up in a situation where it turns out that not only is there a God, but that God is looking for companionship, and that's why we exist so separate from the will of God, as if we're kind of closed off from it and have to search for it so that we'll be independent enough to have our own personalities and being.
You're going to have to yell at us, or you're not too loud.
unidentified
No problem.
I've been from Philadelphia, and I know you were talking much about time travel, and I just wanted to put forward, I'm a big student of physics and astrophysics, and I just wanted to put forward the fact that if we're dealing with time, as soon as one person or anything travels back in time, that actually takes away free will.
You can get deep into the philosophical parts of it, but just physics.
And dealing with time, you're talking about its consciousness, but there's a whole physical universe with you take the human out of the whole equation, there's still time.
There's a time arrow.
Time always causality has to go forward.
As soon as time can change, it can slow down and speed up.
It always has to go in one direction.
I was just wondering what you think about that answer.
Well, there have been some very interesting speculations about that coming from the scientific community in recent years.
Stephen Hawking, the great British scientist, said in October, I think, of 93 or 94 that it appeared that movement through time was a theoretical possibility.
He had been the one who was always saying, well, where are the tourists?
And then the question that this caller brings up, of course, immediately came to the forefront.
If movement through time is possible, then would we, in effect, be part of a big machine?
We would no longer have free will because we would know too much to have free will.
And then a Russian scientist came forth with the idea that in order for movement through time to be feasible without expending more energy than exists in the universe, it must be true that the so-called principle of least action holds for the time traveler as well.
And it may well be that if you were able to kill, you know, the classic paradox saying, if you were able to say, kill your father, then you might suddenly not exist in one dimension, but you would continue to exist in another.
For those of you trying to access my website, just hang in there.
There's nothing wrong with our website, I am told.
But rather, the internet, the ever-growing, ever-monstrous internet with all of its tentacles, has had one taken down by somebody who's doing maintenance.
So can we get to the Bay Area where we're supposed to?
No.
And so there's nothing wrong with the server.
It's the Internet.
God bless the Internet.
I have to pick a night when I do something like this.
unidentified
I have to pick a night when I do something like this.
Now let's go back to the night of July 27, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
I want to make a statement about the alien fierceness.
When Whitney was involved with this contact that he had, he mentioned the fierceness of their presence.
And I wonder how maybe the government, the government is supposed to be have dredged up some of these wrecks that they've like down in Roswell.
And when they have these ships captured and these aliens captured, I would think that they deal with the same type of problem.
And I can understand this because I've seen one of these creatures face-to-face myself.
And I understand how nerve-wracking that can be.
And I wonder how an organized, our government, you know, their organization, when it comes on a one-to-one basis, how do you suppose they are able to deal with this intensity that these aliens exhibit like they do?
The little gray creatures with the big black eyes.
Absolutely ferocious.
unidentified
Some of them, not all of them, but the one I saw was definitely ferocious.
I had an inclination to look out the window, and I got my wife to stand up on this counter with me.
We opened up the curtain, and there standing there looking up at us was one of these gray creatures.
And all I can say is that it just scared the willies out of me.
And it had these yellowish kind of like diamond-shaped eyes and we couldn't look at it for very long because it scared us so badly and we went back inside and I woke up a friend of mine out of bed and he ran out into the backyard thinking it was a burglar and he came within 15 feet of it and then came in in about three minutes and was quite startled at seeing the same thing that we did.
Well, I wouldn't think that if the government has any contact with them, that it would be possible to cope with them very easily at all.
I mean I evolved when they were coming around a lot, all I could do, and it was sort of a survival mechanism in a funny way, was I began to go out into the woods alone at night, not because I thought that would I guess I had the same curiosity about them that a little mouse does about a snake.
And it felt it was a very difficult situation to be in psychologically.
I got into a state of post-traumatic stress disorder and depression.
And if there are people who are trying to deal with them on an everyday basis, I would think that would be one of the most hazardous jobs in the world.
I mean, I'd sooner go down in a U-boat during a World War II.
It would be very, very difficult.
Jill, we were talking a little earlier about Phil Corso.
And Phil had an incredibly profound influence on my life.
I thought he was one of the most wonderful men I ever met.
He was a very powerful, extraordinary man.
And one of the things that he told me that forms the last chapter in confirmation, he said that they had asked, that the military had had a certain number of contacts with these creatures and had asked the question, what's on offer?
What's there for us?
And they had received an answer.
The answer was, a new world if you can take it.
In other words, if you can take it, that is to say, rest it out of our hands.
And if you can take it, that is to say, if we can bear it.
And that's the kind of thing.
And it sort of looks like, not so much like evil, but like tough love in a way.
And it was, so everyone here listening knows how special he was.
But he, I wonder where he really came from and what he was really doing, because I had the most interesting exchange with him at the Roswell event two years ago, last year.
I said to him, you know, he signed a really perpetual security secrecy oath back during World War II.
An unbreakable oath, the kind that Cav Cabot signed, that he still won't break to this day about the Roswell Insiders.
And I said to Phil, why did you write this book?
Because it must be that you've broken your oath.
And he said, well, no, I didn't.
I did break an oath.
I broke the oath I made to his commanding general.
But he said that I decided after he died that I had the right to.
The first one, without getting into religion per se, but to make a note that it's written in the Bible that a day unto the Lord is like unto a thousand years.
So that gives a perspective of wherever the Creator is, a thousand years to us is equal to a day to him.
And I happen to believe that all of us have spirit guides.
And I've been told by mine that the dimension in which he exists, his timeline is five years to one of our days.
I have a perception that governments around the world, since far back as the Roman Empire, have basically had a certain agenda, and they are largely in part responsible for infrastructure.
And due to their goals and their priorities, if the masses, the people as it were, were to have, the majority of the people were to have a change of heart and spirit, and the government did not, I'd like to get your impression of if that would in fact lessen it.
I think the government is a very, very small part, frankly a tiny part, of the overall effect of spirituality.
After all, how many of us are there compared to how many of them, even though government may seem out of control growth-wise.
So I believe that.
I believe that as more people become spiritual, the effect of what's coming may be lessened.
And in fact, I feel that so much that when we do a program like the one we're doing now, with the warnings that you've heard from Whitley, or the ones from Gordon, or the ones from Sean David Morton, or others who give warnings, that it brings a few more people each time into this realm of consideration of how we might change it or lessen it.
I want to just touch on something that this listener mentioned, and that was the spirit guide and guardian angel.
I had an experience with this phenomenon once that really was very striking, and I'd like to let everyone know about it.
I was spending some time at the Chautauqua Institution in upstate New York at the time, which is near a place called the Lilydale Assembly, which is where the old Spiritualist Church of America goes for the summer.
All of the mediums in that church go there.
One of them is a man named Gregory Keene, who is an extraordinary medium.
I had never been to one before, and it was not something that I was very interested in, but some friends convinced me to give it a try, and he turned out to be just shocking.
He was more than he knew so much about the little details of my life, because I went in thinking, oh, well, he will have read my books.
But he knew things about the kind of chair I used in my office and that sort of thing that was just amazing.
One of the things he said, he said, do you remember the time your car stopped on the highway?
I had a Volvo.
And anyone who has Volvos, they don't just do that.
But incredibly enough, it had happened once.
And so I said, yes, I do, quite mystified by the fact that he could even know that.
And the odds, you know, the odds against, I mean, there was a time when cars were not as good as they are now, when you might have made a lucky guess with something like that.
But this was not the kind of thing that you would be saying, you know, under those circumstances.
In other words, he wasn't just trying to guess it.
It was too specific and too unlikely.
And so I said, yes, I do remember that.
He said, well, do you know that you have a guardian angel?
And I said, well, I hadn't thought of it in those terms.
And what had happened is we'd been coming to a highway interchange.
The car was traveling along completely normally.
And suddenly it just ceased to function.
And it rolled off to the side of the road.
Stayed there for a few seconds and then started up on its own.
I tried to start it a few times unsuccessfully.
And we went on home.
He said, well, there were some people going through that exchange who would have followed you home and killed you if they had seen you.
And your guardian angel had no choice but to stop the car.
You know, the only thing that I don't understand about stories like this, where are the guardian angels of people who meet such terrible fates so undeservedly?
In Sumatra, when they opened the school not knowing of the extent of the catastrophe and no children showed up, where were the guardian angels of those children?
They would not have deserved that fate, surely not.
I was hoping to connect a few dots, one being your experience in France, and another being a comment by Terence McKenna.
And those two being, what Terence McKenna said was, it was kind of just off the wall.
He said, if we are going to be visited by ETs, it probably won't be in titanium ships.
It'll be in our minds.
And what you experienced in France sounded to me like that sensation you got when you were rushing forward but didn't have the feeling of I have not yet told Whitley about what happened in Paris.
In relation to, and the other dot being the subject of time, we have a kind of a hard time dealing with the idea of infinity, but it's pretty simply, you know, gotta be the way it is because there can be nothing before or after something that always is.
And time being just our perception of our shadow, of a shadow moving and the planet the sun causing that, when what you experienced in France of being outside the body or disconnected from the ego that maintains the body is what we would experience if we were like born somewhere outside the orb of the sun rising and setting, which would make it always now.
And every moment of consciousness would be always now.
Therefore, everything that occurs, what we think is occurring in time, is always occurring right now.
Therefore, we have access to that perception of everything that has been or will be in the time paradigm, that it's actually here now, and that consciousness is just defined, dimensions are only defined by the body's chemistry at the moment.
And now you have the freedom to go where you want.
unidentified
That's what a space-faring nation needs to do.
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Now let's go back to the night of July 27, 1998, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Art, before we go on, I promised Steve Neal, the artist, one of the artists who's working on the special, that it would mention that some of his graphics that are probably going to be used or that he's experimenting with in regard to the special are on his website, which is at alienfx.com.
Well, unfortunately for the UFO community, we now live in a day and age when you, particularly with regard to computer files, you really can't tell what's real and what's not.
That's exactly one of the things we did do for the special, is we went to the past for verification, and we came up with a real surprise about a certain UFO photo from the past, which is quite amazing.
I think we've proved something about it that's been in question for 40 or 50 years.
Most of my 40 years, I've dreamt of friendly, humanoid aliens taking me through vortexes on wonderful scenic trips and alien crafts and returning me home.
I have dreamt many beautiful, colorful, lighted night parades of various kind of spacecraft.
And I can really resonate with your experiences.
In my more current dreams, I'm there at beautiful resorts where everyone has mental telepathy and are all positively optimists.
I had the honor of viewing my one fully awake UFO experience.
I named the Silver Phoenix.
And I recently edited Michael Unum's book, Hacker's Guide to UFO Technology, although I didn't really understand it.
After the harmonic convergence, despite the fact that the press laughed at it, the world completely changed and pretty much in the direction that had been predicted by the people who were talking about the convergence.
The Berlin Wall came down, the Soviet Union collapsed.
Whitley, I have was sent here about four years ago.
I was raised here, but I had been living in Los Angeles for the last past 28 years.
And I was at the Harmonic Convergence in L.A. a few years back when the press kind of ripped us up.
But I was told by some beings, I have never seen them.
I can only talk to them.
And I get these messages.
And I was told to stay within this area and that I was to tell people that they had 24 angels surrounding them at all times.
Now, in my religious faith, I'm international because I believe in all religious faiths and all religious backgrounds.
And I practice more Judaism than I do anything.
I read into the Kabbalah and Christianity.
But I believe in all religions.
And I practice all religions.
I'm at home with all people.
But the messages that I was given was to tell everybody that they have 24 angels around them at all times.
And that we are working back toward the Creator.
And for those that are familiar with the Bible, that I heard the gentleman comment about a thousand years is as one day in God's eyesight.
Well, in the creative process where it says that it took God seven days, well, we know that there's seven thousand years to create the earth.
And it said on the seventh day he rested.
And a lot of people like Aud a few minutes ago said, why are all these terrible things happening to people like the children in Jonesboro, which happened here, you know, not too long ago?
Well, we are in God's rest.
And if God is resting, that means that he does not intervene into the world activities.
And we are, or we have been left on our own.
And I believe that we have created a reality that we're living in at this time.
But the way out of all of this mess that we have created is these 24 angels, personal guys that we have all been assigned.
And what has happened, the gift that I was given, I was told to tell people that the way to access these angels is that you must ask them their names.
And when you ask the name, just get in a quiet place, in a meditative state, and ask, are my holy angels here?
And they will answer.
Usually telepathically, I've had some of my people to tell me that they have materialized and the angels, they have seen the angels after they have asked their names.
But my angels have never come in a material body.
I have four attendant spirit guys, Archangel Michael, Archangel Metatron, Archangel Uriel, and Gabriel, and at all times.
And so this is people's way to find their way back to the Creator.
But they must know that the Creator, since we are creatures of free will, we are allowed to make a choice.
We hear, but a lot of times we don't pay attention.
So we are guided away from tragedy if we listen to that first voice that we get.
And the older people usually tell us, follow your first mind.
And I believe that that is God speaking to us.
And what I wanted to ask you, and I wanted to give you a little background on myself first, is I have been experiencing what you were talking to the audience about, hearing what people are thinking.
I can be sitting with someone in a conversation, and then I can't control it.
All of a sudden, these themes start coming, and I've learned to watch what I say because I've realized that they are not verbally saying this and that I'm hearing these thoughts that they're thinking.
And it got me into a little trouble with some close friends of mine at first because I was replying to what I heard them thinking.
And a lot of people kind of think I'm off my rocker.
And I was instructed by my spirit guides to dress in all white and to cover my head.
There have been a few stories now and again about people who seem to have that ability.
But it must be terribly rare.
And in my own reaction to that, though, is it's not something I would have wanted to control.
I would have personally I felt I was intruding on others and that I couldn't help it.
It was like stumbling into someone in a private moment in their lives.
And it wasn't something that I wanted to do at all.
It wasn't something I wanted to return to.
It wasn't an ability I wanted to possess.
And I'm just as glad that it faded away.
I would think, though, that the idea that we might all possess that ability, if everyone had it, if the people I heard had the ability to hear me, I wouldn't have felt like I did.
And it would be a very different world if it was like that.
I think that the world would fill, and my impression just of the little taste of this I had, the world would fill with compassion because I normally just sort of jostle past people in a hotel, but they were all richly alive and filled with meaning for me on that morning.
Well, I'll focus my studio cam in that direction just in case.
Welcome to the Rockies.
You're on the here with Whitley Schreber and Art Bell.
unidentified
Hi.
Hi, Art.
First, I just want to say I love your show, and I appreciate its ability, the way it can kind of shows people who have eyes to see and those who aren't meant to see and who's part of the conspiracy.
But anyway, as far as time and dimension, I had this dream once.
It was more of a vision.
And it showed all spaces of time, past, present, future, happening simultaneously, oblivious to one another in their own dimension.
And it was like a light bolt.
It was like, okay, that makes sense.
And I've had a couple instances where I have seen physical evidence of like a guardian angel and in one instance an actual hand, a physical, the hand.
And I'm thinking, well, this has to be something to do with dimensional, whereas some people can see that dimension, some can't.
And I'm wondering, any idea why it is that and what causes it?
Well, it seems to me that what prevents us is also the great thing that gives us so much of our other abilities, and that is our body.
It's our body, really, that extends us the gift of free will, because it's in here where we have no contact with higher levels of reality and we are trapped inside time in a body that is going to die.
And in here, we have free will because we are not being told by higher powers what is truly right and what is truly not right.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from July 27, 1998.
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Strange world design will make foolish people do.
Midnight at the oasis, send your camel to bed.
Shadows painting our faces, traces of romance in our hair.
Heaven's holding our hair through, shining just for us.
Let's slip off to a sand dune, really soon.
Kick up a little dove.
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Hold on,'til the evening end,'til the evening end.
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Out here in the middle of the desert, and if you want to see what the stars look like from the desert out here in Cactus Country, it's on my studio cam right now.
Take a look, and I'd love to have your comments by email or facts.
It is definitely a smashing success.
And we're just getting started.
So take a look, see.
It's at www.artbell.com and just click on the studio cam.
It refreshes, I don't know, about every 30 seconds or so.
And I'll stop it sometime before dawn begins to break, obviously.
But what you're looking at is a camera which has been coupled to a night vision scope.
It's quite a remarkable device.
And I can go out there and kind of point it at any point in the sky I want to.
What I really need is a motorized mount out there so I can kind of move it around.
That'll probably be the next trick.
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If this was up to you, would you go back to the moon or would you go straight to Mars?
I would just like to say that in my life, since I wrote Confirmation, I have been very troubled by the fact that it went completely unreviewed, except in the United Anywhere in the country,
virtually, except in the New York Review of Books, which had an attack on me that said nothing about the evidence in the book.
Because I think that there is a large part of this society.
The society is breaking in half.
It is literally splitting in half.
There are people who can handle this material, like what has been being discussed tonight.
Because after all, I offer no proof at all of this encounter that I had on June the 6th except my own sincerity.
There are a lot of people out there who can't handle, who just can't deal with that.
And when I handed them a book that had hard evidence in it that there may be something very solid and very physically real behind all of these kinds of experiences, literally couldn't stand it.
A new world if you can take it, and they can't take it.
They weren't like sitting down and having a conversation with somebody at all.
They were something else.
They weren't like a dream.
Because you came away from them, shaken, in fact, overwhelmed often with the experience.
Right.
And physically wrecked sometimes.
I mean, they were intense.
But I never felt that They were as real fundamentally as sitting down and talking with someone across a living room.
This experience that happened on June the 6th was, I had one a year ago, October, as I said, but it was only about 30 seconds in what I would say was normal reality.
This one just proceeded.
It was like, and I just wondered, you know, who this man was.
I've even thought to myself that maybe he was just a perfectly ordinary person who woke me up out of a dead sleep, and I just reacted this way, but I don't think so.
unidentified
Well, that's what you mentioned if I'd read Communion.
Now, I read Communion, I read it, I spent the night with it, and I fell asleep that night, and I had an interesting dream, and that's why I was kind of talking to you about this.
And in the dream, I was just laying there, and these apparently tan-type beings, small, were just scurrying around at an extremely rapid pace.
And it was a very instantaneous kind of thing.
I heard my daughter crying in the bedroom.
I woke up, and it was all over.
But it was a really weird experience.
That's why I guess I was kind of talking to you a little bit about dreams.
And, you know, hey, I guess I thought it was a dream, and that's the way I still feel today it was a dream.
Well, I have letters from many people who say that the visitors walked right into the middle of one of their dreams.
It never happened to me, but it was written.
unidentified
I did write you once a long time ago.
After reading, I think it was Transformation.
Thank you.
After Transformation, I was laying in bed one night.
And again, you know, that was a scary experience for me because I was just laying in bed.
I'd read your other book.
And I was laying on my side.
And no one was in the house but myself.
And it was almost as if somebody took a finger and just poked me in the back.
Well, needless to say, I freaked out.
You know, I jumped up like ready to fisticuff.
And that also a lot of maybe the reason they don't contact people so much is because I get the feeling when that occurred to me that they were afraid of me.
And that our conscious mind is maybe a little too primitive.
Even though our technology is going at such a rapid pace right now, our psychology, our unconscious, our conscious is still a little primitive in some way.
And that's why they don't communicate with us as well, maybe.
I once would have said, yeah, maybe it is, but no, I don't think so.
In fact, I'm sure not.
I mean, I'm a guy lying here on a bed, talking on the telephone with a whole lot of people, and I have an implant in my left ear that cannot be removed by a surgeon.
It's a huge question when I'm writing a book because I don't want to put my own dreams and imagination in it.
I want to put in what really happened.
And, you know, it's funny that the books always start out, the dots are perfectly connected, and it all seems just as real as it can be.
And my wife, Ann, reads them, and she's always, she'll say, well, now, when you described this to me, it didn't sound as like it does.
You know, you need to back off on this and make it a little less clear and less distinct.
And so the books are revised again and again, not to make them more clear, but to make them less clear until they have the same flavor as my own actual experience did.
It was the age in which the age of Leo is the time when there was a period of tremendous chaos on the Earth.
There was, I mean, this is a geologic fact.
It's not really in dispute that there were extinctions of large creatures all over the planet.
This is when the mastodons and so forth and mammoths all disappeared.
And people like Graham Hancock and Rand and Rose Flamath, who wrote the book When the Sky Fell, believe that the crust of the Earth actually shifted on the subsurface and drew areas of the planet that had been temperate up under the cold air of the Arctic and Antarctic and thrust other areas that had been cold into warmer climates, causing all of the ice to melt.
Which caused all of the floods that we have these distant racial memories of in the stories of Noah and the flood.
And then Edgar Casey said currently there's a lot of Atlantean souls being coming, being reincarnated into the age of Aquarius, which is a polarity of Leo, which is the age of Atlantis.
And then Edgar Casey said that, oh, the Atlanteans tried to have all their babies born in the sign of Leo.
That's an interesting question, and I just, in all honesty, I don't want to try and answer to something because there's not enough, I just don't understand enough.
Like, there were other aspects of the Greys that I saw a couple times that were really amazing.
I mean, they were not at all ferocious.
They were just the gentlest.
Like, there was a lady, Raven Dana.
We had a situation happen in our cabin where this little gray being came into the cabin when we had about 10 or 11 people in there and went from one bedroom to the next, waking people up.
And Raven had the presence of mind to hold her hand out.
And this creature held her hand.
She said that he seemed to her to be very, very mild and shy.
She was not...
So, you know, it's a real various thing.
It's real complicated.
And the letters we get, some people have the experiences with the greys that are really scary like I did.
Others are, they seem almost like little forest.
Like Raven described this creature as being like a little forest creature.
At first she thought a raccoon had gotten into the house.
That's how she reacted to it.
It's so varied and all over the lot.
You just don't know.
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It could be a possibility like our society then that certain factions of society are not as acceptant.