Richard C. Hoagland, NASA whistleblower and hyperdimensional physics advocate, reveals Japan’s Mars probe launch five months early—unprecedented and tied to earthquake risks—while questioning NASA’s suppression of "linear artifacts" in Mars images, suggesting deliberate alterations linked to 1996 U.S. election politics. His model predicts rapid climate shifts (e.g., glacial-to-warm swings in a year) from planetary alignments, contradicting Milankovitch cycles and fossil fuel-driven theories like Al Gore’s. Hoagland ties suppressed tech—like superconducting anti-gravity experiments at Huntsville and HARP in Alaska—to potential solutions for earthquakes and flooding, arguing political resistance stifles progress. Meanwhile, Arizona’s Frances Barwood, outspent 200-to-1, could challenge UFO secrecy as Secretary of State, with the September 8 primary a critical test. [Automatically generated summary]
He actually worked for, was a colleague of Walter Cronkite's.
He consulted for NASA, where his picture still hangs reverently in the halls of Houston, Ames Research Center, and lots of other locations around NASA.
People actually have been said to salute the photograph in NASA as they walk by.
Well, it is such a complete change of worlds from, you know, the desert where I live to Paris, which is old and filled with statues and, you know, the feeling of old that it's kind of fun.
And when Graham's new book comes out, Graham Hancock, together with Robert Vaval, we're going to find out some very remarkably intriguing things about Paris.
And the first thing I want to ask you about, I have been bitching for two weeks now.
I've been getting story after story after story, Richard, that the Japanese, well, they've already launched a probe to Mars, and they're talking about a manned mission to Mars.
And when I heard about the probe to Mars, I said to myself, what the hell are they doing?
We've sent probes.
The Russians have sent probes.
Now, why would they spend very scarce, undervalued yen with the Asian crisis going on, to send a probe to Mars to duplicate, no doubt, what we have done or the Russians have done.
Well, I mean, these are all exquisitely interesting questions, and the most profound question no one is asked because they're not into the arcana of spaceflight the way some of us are.
The real mystery art is not why they're going, but why they're going early.
It's kind of like that joke about the drunk, you know, who loses his keys, and he's searching around under the street lamp, and the cop comes by and he says, what are you doing?
And the guy says, I'm looking for my keys.
He says, where'd you lose them?
Well, over there, and he points out in the dark.
And the cop says, why are you looking under the light?
And everyone is forecasting pretty hairy stuff for the communications satellites.
You may go off the air because one little grain of sand impacting at 26 miles per second, which is the parabolic velocity of meteors at the Earth's orbit, would ruin the day of one of my satellites.
Would definitely give you a bad hair day.
So why would the Japanese launch and then wait in Earth orbit?
They're in this parking orbit, going around and around and around every 90 minutes or so for five months because they can't launch out of Earth orbit on the right geometry to get to Mars until December.
Never has been done.
And in all the discussions that I've heard, you know, and we've never talked about it because it was so mind-boggling that I kept looking for an explanation, I have been unable, as of tonight, to come up with any rational explanation.
The best thing that I can propose is something that Ron Nick, one of our geologists, proposed to me a couple days ago.
He says, well, Dick, it's obviously the physics.
They know something hyperdimensional that you don't.
I mean, it's almost as good as any other because it makes no sense.
Now, there is one possibility which is so astonishing that I kind of hesitate even to broach it.
The safest place, if you have to go to Mars, for reasons that we can get into later in the morning, would be to park it in space, waiting for when you can send it on its way.
If you may not think your launch site will be there when you need to launch, that's the only thing I can come up with that makes any rational sense.
And even that is so amazing because it indicates that somebody thinks maybe Japan is in for a very rough ride.
But imagine that you had Cape Canaveral on an island where earthquakes are becoming increasingly severe and are changing depth, you know, underground in the mantle, coming up toward the crust.
You might, if you knew something about the trend curve of this thing we all call earth changes and were predicting out the model that there might be a reasonable probability that a severe quake could so damage your launch site that you could not launch on time.
In which case, then the estimate and the calculation would make perfect sense to put it in Earth orbit where it is safe if that's what is being projected.
Or safer, I should say.
In other words, something is really extraordinary, not just about the Japanese interest in Mars, but the fact that they have to go and they've launched five months early.
Now, one of our listeners faxed me a couple of days ago, and I don't remember their names, but someone heard a news story, apparently from Japan, either the day of the launch or a day after the launch.
You know, it was kind of a translation over the Japanese video of the launch.
And the announcer was talking about the reasons for going to Mars was to study the atmosphere and the underground structure.
And these people very intriguingly thought that might imply artificial structures.
I, in fact, think it's probably a poor translation of under, in other words, subterranean mascons and gravity variations and all that, because you can get a lot of data from just mapping the orbit in terms of underground concentrations of various kinds.
And our own spacecraft are, in fact, looking at those kinds of gravity anomalies to refine the map of the lower mantle structure or the upper mantle structure of Mars.
So I don't think that that translation really implied what they thought it might imply.
But again, the whole idea of the Japanese trying to go and duplicate what we've already done, I mean, why not go to Mercury or, you know, go to Titan or someplace that we haven't gone?
Well, if I were Richard Hoagland, I'd say because they want the photographs and information that they don't think we've made public and haven't given to them either.
There is a quarter moon rising over the Sandias to my east, with Jupiter hanging about five degrees to the upper right at about the two o'clock position.
Listen, I want to pass along a quick message that comes to you from everybody in the grassy know that's a chat room on AOL.
It says, on behalf of everybody in the grassy know, Richard Hoagland is under a sentence of death, life, or whatever we can give him for every answer that goes any longer than two minutes.
Those long, narrow lines going all the way down the 26-mile strip that are kind of like the scratches on the film of an old Betty Grable movie or something.
Well, John pointed out, because he deals with this technology on a commercial basis.
That's one of the companies that he runs.
And he deals with state-of-the-art around the world, with telecenes and whatever.
And he knows the people who make these line scan CCD arrays, which is the heart of Dr. Malin's camera.
And he pointed out to me something that, frankly, had not really occurred to me, which was we shouldn't be seeing any lines at all, because the defects in the original manufacture of these camera systems have now been so radically reduced that the difference between one pixel and the adjoining pixel is like 0.001% or something.
In other words, you wouldn't even see it.
Certainly, you wouldn't see it in the raw data.
And so he got very disturbed by seeing it in the raw data and even in the finished data on some of Malin's images from other parts of Mars on Malin's own website.
And he went through a scenario With me, that frankly made my hair stand on end because it's one more level of what are they really doing to us?
How are they really jerking us around?
Because it is his contention that this is a second-level set of evidence, that the images we've seen of Sidonia are not raw data, that they have been cooked.
And what he said could be done, and he explained to me how this could be done, and I said, well, you've got to write a paper on this, and we'll put it on the web.
He said that what they could do would be to basically take that camera and image a kind of a blank.
And then, because of the way the scan works, it would register those CCD imperfections much more than the background.
And then, like in Photoshop, you could layer that scan over the actual picture, which would have the effect of blurring and suppressing the real exquisite detail we'd like to see down on Mars and leave the impression of the CCD fingerprints, because that would be part of the process that you couldn't get rid of.
And when he went through this to me, I looked at him and I asked myself, and I asked him, I said, John, there's got to be two people, more than two people in the whole country, 260 million people, that know this, to which he had a very short and very elegant answer.
He says, yes, there are.
And they're all working for NASA.
The point is, you have a very limited technical club art of people who are in the know on something so arcane.
I keep using the term priesthood, and it's more than a metaphor.
Because when you have people all feeding at the same federal trough for very scarce dollars, the bright guys that are looking at this and saying, uh-oh, they're not going to say anything in public.
They're not going to come forward and corroborate what we're talking about right now, because if they do, their contracts go out the window tomorrow.
Remember, I have always clearly divided NASA into two segments.
The tiny handful of suppressors, the folks that simply don't want us to know, and then the majority of the agency, the 20,000 people who go to work, who believe in the God American pie and the flag, and basically believe what I used to do, which is NASA thinks is sliced bread, that it was an incredible asset to the human condition.
And they still believe that.
And those folks always thought, because they had been manipulated by the suppressors over the years, over 20 years, as documented by McDaniel in his former incarnation, to believe that Sidonia was nonsense, that we're crazy, that Sidonia is just a pile of rocks, et cetera, et cetera.
It's those people looking at even this altered data from Sidonia on the three passes in April, who, according to our sources now, are really at loggerheads because they can see things on these images that are not geological,
not natural, not explicable by any processes they understand, and they are absolutely terrified because it means that A, they're going to have to confront the artificial hypothesis square in the face, unintended, and B, there's a huge political problem because if they were to do this in public before November 8th, then Bill Clinton might wind up losing the chance of regaining Democratic control of the House and Senate.
The Republicans, all right, to go to the other side of the fence, they don't want this to come out before November 8th because they might stand the chance of losing control of the House and Senate.
So everybody is kind of in frozen mode.
And there's going to be nothing happening until after the election.
Well, here again, Richard, this honestly is the only reason I can imagine the Japanese are spending incredible amounts of money to send a mission to Mars, and it's because they don't believe what's come from us or what's come from the Russians.
I think, you know, I mean, if you want me to say the obvious, I think you're absolutely right.
And I think that it is so important that given the possibility that an earthquake in Japan and the Ring of Fire might damage the launch site, they have gone to the extraordinary length of putting this spacecraft in earth-parking orbit where it has a reasonable probability of lasting, because things in space do tend to last a long time until they can send it to Mars.
And obviously now you know where I think we should vote.
Well, it looks like the Japanese are agreeing with us.
About time, somebody agreed with the nature of what we've been discussing.
And Graham Hancock has come on board with his new book, The Mars Mystery.
And others are slowly coming around.
I mean, I saw great quotes in Graham's book from Mark Carlado, where for years he'd been sitting on the fence.
And then he took a new look at all this data, including some of the early work that we did, through a methodology called Daysian Statistics.
And he used to be kind of a fence sitter.
He'd say, well, it's 50-50.
Now he's saying it's like 90-10.
Dr. Van Flandern, Tom Van Flander, who is no slouch when it comes to thinking, he's giving odds now when he came to the University of New Mexico to do our seminar here a couple of weeks ago.
He was giving odds, you better hold on to your seat on this one, of 10 to the 31 to 1 in favor of intelligence.
There is no way to escape from the fact that Sidonia Is artificial.
Period.
End of discussion.
Let's move on to what the hell does it mean.
So, the fact that the Japanese are sending a mission, and they're talking manned mission, and they're sending a mission five months early to put it in parking orbit so they absolutely positively can get this thing launched in space in case their launch site goes away is some indication maybe plainly that somebody beside us crazies thinks this is important for the human condition.
Or at least you know, look, with regard to our origins, there are fewer important questions, maybe whether there's life after death, and we may find that out when we know more about our origins so it could all be answered at once.
It's an important question, and I can understand the Japanese feel that way about it.
So anyway, it was a mystery, and I had to ask you about it.
Here's another little item for you.
As you know, there were movies recently, Deep Impact, Then Armageddon, and now a UPI story in front of me dated July 14th today.
A new NASA program to detect, track, and characterize potentially dangerous asteroids and comets that could approach Earth is being set up at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena.
NASA's Near-Earth Object Program Office will try to locate at least 90% of the estimated 2,000 asteroids and comets that approach the Earth and are larger than about two-thirds of a mile in diameter by the end of the decade.
So now, all of a sudden, they're in a big rush, Richard, to identify at least 90% of these, which was no big deal.
What are we to imagine, that Deep Impact and similar end-of-the-world movies have driven NASA to suddenly cut loose the money to do this or what?
I began watching this whole asteroid mania or meteor mania or comet mania at least a year ago with a series of specials that appeared on every major network simultaneously, all within a week.
TBS, CNN, NBC, the sci-fi channel, you know, I'm not being exhaustive, but all of them ran, and I have taped copies in the archives, of all of these specials that hit within a week.
Following on print media, the London Economist a couple of years ago started with a cover story in The Economist of all things with a large picture of an asteroid and a spaceship floating next to it that was actually a painting by Chesley Bonstel that I, many, many years ago, helped design.
I mean, there's a long story, we won't go into that tonight, but it's like suddenly there was this gestalt, and after being ignored, after Gene Shoemaker and his work for years and years and years had been ignored, suddenly simultaneously on all available outlets,
there was this dawning awareness culminating with a very dramatic dramatization of a news station broadcasting a live interrupt from the Pentagon of a couple of asteroids hitting somewhere over Scotland and England.
And then the call letters of the station, by the way, were W-E-N-N-Wen.
And this went through, and ultimately you had a gal named Shannon something or other standing in front of New York City describing the impacts coming across the Atlantic and the solemn voice of the head of Space Guard, which was supposed to be one of these asteroid warning centers, intoning on air that it wasn't random asteroids as the Pentagon was saying, it was pieces of the tail of Hale Bomb.
And that we were passing through the tail, which in fact does occur now every January 3rd, and that it was those pieces that were raining down and were going to cause untold havoc and destruction.
And just as they cut to the reporter standing in front of New York City, there's a huge airburst and she and New York disappear in a fireball of flame and the whole thing goes dead.
So I'm looking at all this, and then of course we have the announcement of Stielberg's movie Deep Impact, and then we have Bruce Rowlands doing Armageddon.
And it doesn't take a rocket scientist art to say, does somebody maybe know something?
Do you think somebody in Hollywood had a sit-down meeting with somebody way high up in government, probably even higher than the government we've elected, and they said, look, you're going to have to start doing some movies about the possibility of something from space because...
Well, I mean, there's another data point, as you would like to point out, usually.
Now, remember, a few weeks ago, we had a remarkable announcement, which was that if, in fact, an asteroid or comet or something is identified on a collision course prior to impact, they're not going to tell us.
No, as a matter of fact, after that 2048 announcement, NASA sent out a memo to all organizations that get any NASA money that anybody who announces something coming at Earth early, they want 72 hours of delay.
Anybody who announces it any earlier than that loses their budget.
And of course, given the uncertainties and the sketchy sky patrols and the lack of money up until this announcement out of JPL, most of the warning you'd probably get would be in the order of 72 hours.
Now, if people were alerted, given that most of the stuff that would get hit by is small enough that you could safely get out of the area, you'd want to give some people some warning to leave.
At least you would think that some would want to give somebody warning so they could leave.
Even with the great highways and so forth they have in L.A., they would probably compute, depending on how big the object was, that there would be more people killed in the panic trying to get out than might be killed by the object.
Well, given that a small object, you know, a few tens of feet across, would be the equivalent of a 30 to 50 megaton airburst, and that would effectively eliminate several million people, even in an all-out mass panic, you're not going to kill several million people, so the numbers there don't wash butt.
This is all the downside.
The good side is, and this is what I want to talk about tonight, I have just published on the web this very extensive 50-page hyperdimensional paper.
And I want to go through how what's in that paper and what we already know exists makes this problem, this asteroid impact or comet impact problem, boot.
This is a false problem.
We are being diverted by somebody from looking at real problems with a false problem.
And when we have more time to the top of the alley, I want to go through what we can do.
All right, well, I will say this much, and that is, hold on, Richard, that those who have read Richard's paper have declared it to be a sound, scientific, easy-to-understand, well-written paper.
It's on the web now, and if you would be so kind as to, for all the other reasons, go up to my website, which is www.artbell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, dot com.
Scroll down to Richard Hoagland's name, jump across to the Enterprise website and read some of it.
Let's see what you think.
I am told by those who have read it that it is good, well-written, sound, and scientific.
So, with that, Richard C. Hoagland back when we are.
I mean, that's one of the reasons I wrote this paper.
As we said on the last show we did, when we talked about the hyperdimensional physics model, for many years, since actually the late 80s, 88, 89, when Torrin and I figured out the geometry of Sidonia and then compared notes with Stan Tennon, and Stan pointed us in the direction of some of these hyperdimensional models which have existed in the mathematical literature for over 100 years.
I have wanted to put together the meat on the bones to really put teeth into the idea that all of these weirdnesses, all of these strangenesses, all of the things that people are talking about, that you talk about, that listeners call in about, that various guests talk about, all have a coherent theme and could be explained by an appropriate model.
Now, I never imagined that it would be the hyperdimensional model that would ultimately wind up making very specific predictions and probably is going to be the explanation that ties all this stuff together, but that looks like where we are going.
So, while you were in Paris, in fact, even before, I sat down and finally did what I've been threatening to do for 10 years, and I put together a very comprehensive 50-page with all the links and references, including to our earlier work, the Message of Sidonia paper, which is also on our website.
And we put that out there now to basically let everyone, both technically literate and technically non-literate alike, have this model and look and basically critique it to see if it makes sense.
And what it does, Art, is it pulls together a lot of these disparate threads, and it makes very important predictions among others regarding the weather or climate.
We should actually talk about climate because that's the long-term trend of weather.
And what we've tried to do is to back up the hot-button issues that everybody talks about, you know, weather and earthquakes and stuff, with a lot of other data that is more subtle and more technical, but is equally critical, equally important.
And I've had a range now of feedback from physicists and astronomers, I mean, even Tom Van Plander, who is, as I said earlier in the show, an exquisite thinker, a pioneer in his own right, who does not see eye to eye with me on everything.
And I pride myself that he and I respect each other enough that we can disagree.
We can agree to disagree.
He called me up, and he said, first of all, he says, I need page 12.
I'm missing page 12.
So I promised to send him page 12.
The second thing was, he says, I'm not convinced, but I'm very impressed.
And again, what I'm looking for are both technical feedback from physicists and astronomers, natural physicists, and others who will know the minutiae of what we're referring To, and who will be able to read some of the links, like Whitaker's papers that, for the first time in almost 100 years, except for Tom Bearden's publishing of them, have seen the light of day.
These are papers that literally almost 100 years ago united gravity and electromagnetism in a way that everybody thought Einstein did, but he was not the first.
Maxwell and then later Whitaker were actually the first to really do this.
Well, the Gore model, you know, Al Gore, Vice President of the United States, is taking his cue from the experts that are talking to him at NASA, at NOAA, various agencies like that.
And they're basically saying, okay, Al, this is global warming due to fossil fuels.
The bigger view is that that may be a small component of it, but it can't be affecting the weather on Mars.
It can't be affecting the weather on Titan.
It can't be affecting the weather out on Neptune.
There is a solar system set of changes, which if you follow the literature...
And they're cyclic.
As I point out over and over again in this paper, the hyperdimensional paper on the website, the key difference between the hyperdimensional model and all the other models is the hyperdimensional model predicts variability.
Very strong variability, both short-term and long-term.
So you will have a trend where it will get very, very hot for a while.
And then it will change.
It will get very, very cold.
The El Niño, for instance, if you've been watching the NASA site, in one week, they went off the Galapagos from El Niño conditions, very warm, very desert-like conditions around the Galapagos.
And in one week, they went to cold water where they've had algae blooms that are the greatest they've seen in 100 years.
One week.
Now, geophysical changes normally take place over years or decades.
A characteristic signature of the hyperdimensional model is very short-term changes because this stuff is not normal thermodynamics.
It's changes in the way heat is actually exchanged between atoms and weather systems and volcanoes and the mantle of the earth and the surface and processes that are explainable by long-term processes don't apply to these processes.
So the prediction is you're going to see a lot of very rapid changes in all kinds of things that are unprecedented because the long-term model, our model says we're entering into a period in the whole life cycle of the solar system where things are going to get a lot more interesting, a lot more chaotic, a lot more changeable, and the short-term effects will be weather, hot, cold, changes in debt streams, changes in weather patterns, changes in everything.
Okay, let me give you some specific data that's not in the paper, because if I put everything we know in the paper, it would have been a book.
In fact, it will be a book.
This is going to be a good chunk of the next book, the sequel to The Monuments of Mars I'm Trying to Write.
This will be a spare time.
With a lot more reference, a lot more data.
For the last 10 years or so, there have been two major drilling projects going on, both in the northern climates, the northern polar regions in the Greenland ice cap, and down at the South Pole.
We have been doing drilling, and the Russians have been doing drilling.
And they've gone down deep enough, you know, a mile or two, to where they've got about 200,000 years of data.
And in those little bubbles of air, they can sample when they bring up the cores and slice them and put them in these cold sheds and tag them and catalog them and all that.
They can thin-section, meaning they take a little saw and they saw these long cores into fine slices.
And then they can basically measure how deep that slice came from, which, based on certain assumptions about snowfall and compaction and all that, it translates to the number of years since that snow saw the light of day.
And so then they sample the little air bubbles in that ice at that depth, and that tells them what the atmosphere was doing and the temperature and the climate, etc., at that incredibly distant point far back in time, going back like 200,000 years.
And what they found in trying to figure out ice ages, for instance, is that in as short as a year or five years, you can go from warm, almost tropical climate to glacial overnight, just like you turn off a light switch.
And then it reverts suddenly, just as suddenly.
And this, when they found this a couple of years ago, the data was so unbelievable that, of course, nobody believed them.
Now they have from both poles enough data to show that not only does this occur, that we can go from very warm to very cold, just like you turned off a light switch, and back again.
But unlike all the glacial models that have been proposed for driving glacial cycles, the Malankovich cycle is the most predominant one.
There's tagged to the Earth's orbit and the way it changes ellipticity and the axis of the Earth wiggles back and forth and all that, which predicts that you'd have glaciation in one hemisphere.
What they're seeing in this core data from both poles is it's occurring simultaneously in both hemispheres, which none of their models can allow for.
The hyperdimensional model usually accounts for that, both in terms of both poles simultaneously and the short time span.
Because what the hyperdimensional model is basically saying is that the environment of this planet, of the entire solar system, is basically determined by the changing positions of the planets we know, predominantly Jupiter and Saturn, and now by probably a couple of guys far out there that we don't know yet, that have not been found yet, which move very slowly.
And because the farther you are from the Sun, the slower a planet moves.
You know, Mercury goes around in 88 days, Pluto takes 250 years.
The planets I'm talking about, they go around in periods as long as 2,000 years or even 26,000 years for the last one that I'm thinking might be out there.
The phase relationships, the time it takes for them to change angle with each other to hit certain of these so-called tetrahedral hyperdimensional angles, like 120 degrees, 60 degrees, 90 degrees, is very, very long time scales.
So those would drive the huge cycles.
And the inner guys, and I include Saturn and Jupiter as the inner guys, drive much shorter cycles.
You can think of it as, you know, if you kind of imagine a big bank of heaters, all right, and somebody's standing by a set of rheostats, and they're turning the rheostats.
And one guy is turning them on a time scale of several days, up and down, up and down.
And another guy at the other end of the hall, you know, this huge power plant, let's say, is turning his dial every few minutes, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.
So the big cycles are driven by the outer guys.
And then those are modulated by the much more rapid rotation around the sun of the inner guys.
You have cycles on cycles on cycles.
And those cycles basically are changing the properties of space-time itself in this model.
Yeah, well, the importance of this to us is we actually exist and live in an environment that operates, at least for the human being, on a kind of a thin line.
I mean, you can't take very many degrees of change, either up or down, and expect us to grow crops where we have been growing them, to have large human populations in the coastal areas where they have been, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
So a very small change can produce a very, very big effect.
In other words, if we've had, if you can project, and I can in my own mind, that we get as much change in the next two years, say, as we have had in the last two years, we're going to be in a pretty precarious position.
When I start talking about this sort of thing, the weather changes, the volcanism, the earthquakes, and so forth, I start getting these angry political facts as people who hate Al Gore or hate the president, which is fine.
I don't care if they hate him.
But they get angry at me for spreading the lies of those who are saying this is occurring.
Now, maybe Vice President Gore is wrong about global warming.
Who the hell knows?
But the weather obviously is changing.
And so I don't see why people are getting angry about that.
Who is very important in bringing to light a lot of things that are now kind of kept in the closet that will provide us solutions.
And she's obviously not in the Gore camp.
But the point is that this is an apolitical problem.
This is not a Republican or Democrat or liberal or independent or libertarian.
This is a terrestrial problem.
And given that we've been looking at data that's beyond the Earth of outer planets and long-term time trends, you know, to ascribe this to very short-term historical usage of certain fossil fuels or whatever is to miss the point, that we don't know everything there is to know about astronomy and physics and geology and chemistry and all that, and that's why we fund sciences.
And what Gore is depending upon is the best input he's getting, which is not the secret black budget input.
It is the mainstream, common NASA, what the hell is going on input.
And unless there are more models on the table to choose from, you can see the effect, and you won't know the cause.
And what I'm trying to do tonight is to point at another possibilities for the cause, because unless we figure out the cause, we're not going to come up with the correct solutions.
It was a Russian named Kardashev who actually first came up with this concept back in the 50s.
And his companion author, Shlotsky, I.S. Shlovsky, who wrote a book with Carl Sagan called Intelligent Life of the Universe, for the concept of civilizations being graded according to type.
Basically according to how much energy they control.
That's the mechanism of grading.
And I don't know, offhand, let me see if I remember what it was.
Type 0 was you control basically enough energy to run lights on a continent.
Well, there are no plates on the east coast, and there are no plates under the Madras Fault.
Some of the worst earthquakes have occurred in the middle of continents.
I mean, that's just historical data.
The theory as to why you get terrible earthquakes along the Madras Fault is kind of lagging.
We've only had the theory of plate tectonics art since the 1960s, since the Goldmart Challenger and the people at Lamont Doherty went around and dug, you know, drilled cores around in the bottoms of most of the oceans and came up with this idea.
It's a theory, not fact.
It's a theory.
Now, it seems to explain quite a few things, but there are a lot of things about geophysics that the plate tectonic theory does not explain.
I'm just saying that that's not the ultimate answer to all earthquakes and all geophysical activity.
And what's going on at the South Pole right now is pretty interesting because the hyperdimensional model predicts that not only are you going to see a lot of activity, but that's probably the reason why you're getting a lot of melting.
So major planetary changes that are kind of happening because of much bigger reasons than burning coal are critical to figure out so we can do something.
Maybe, as our physics predicts, they are huge hyperdimensional transducers sitting atop critical points on the global grid as an effort by a previous cycle of civilization to control this energy on a planetary scale and to keep Earth habitable for people living in certain regions.
Provided the government, the structure we have established, promotes the common defense, turns its energies from killing people to defending us from the very physics that makes life possible.
In other words, this requires a combination of foresight, vision, resources, and cooperation on a scale the human race is not known for.
We're up for some major changes, Art, whether we want them or not.
And one of the things that I like about your show, even though I don't agree with everybody, including Ed Dames, what Ed Dames does is he gets people off their butt to think about the unthinkable.
It goes to the core.
It's basically an emotional catch, but it gets people thinking that it's not going to go on the way it has.
Well, the point is that I kind of agree with the Gestalt, which is to awaken people, to get them out of their lethargy, to look outside and see the sun shining and blue sky and say, oh, this is going to go on forever, because it's not.
Now, you can be a doomsayer and say there's not a damn thing we can do about it.
You know, what's that great line?
You know, bend over, kiss your, you know, what, goodbye.
That's right.
Or you can take the high road and say, okay, let's figure this out and let's see if there's something we can do that's intelligent.
There was a physicist at the University of Texas named, I think his name was Chu, and he came up with a breakthrough, following on a couple of guys at IBM and Zurich, a so-called room temperature superconductor.
For the folks that may have forgotten, when you put current through an ordinary wire at room temperature, it basically dissipates heat because of resistance in the wire.
Many, many years ago, maybe 100 years ago, there was a, he wasn't Swedish, he was, I think, Norwegian, a guy named Kamerlik Owen, who was a physicist In Scandinavia, who discovered by cooling mercury, just the liquid metal mercury, that if he cooled it down low enough, suddenly it lost all resistance to electricity.
Now, the quest has been among engineers and technologists who thought this was a kind of a neat thing, suppose you could make a material that would have this absolutely because you can imagine that you could produce generators the size of, I'm going to be exaggerating here, thymbals that would produce enough power for an entire city.
And in the 1980s, under the Reagan administration, when Dr. Chu at the University of Houston, I think, produced something kind of close to room temperature.
You only had to cool it with liquid nitrogen, which is a lot cheaper than liquid helium, which they've had to cool previous superconductors.
It looked like we'd have mag lab trains and all kinds of other things, and they were announcing the Holy Grail had been achieved, the new millennium.
The energy is going through the wire, it's being blocked.
It's suffering collisions, resistance, and the energy of flow is being transformed into randomness energy of heat and light.
By direct analogy, and it's really more than a metaphor, it's actually at the core of the physics, the way you prevent earthquakes is to keep the energy from dissipating and make it coherent once again.
So it flows through the earth without losses.
So it doesn't dissipate and cause problems.
Now that's a very large-scale explanation for a very complex subject, but that's in essence what you have to do.
And one can start on the laboratory scale.
One can scale up to, you know, a county-sized scale.
Remember a few months ago, the Russians were offering services to the Indonesians.
Tom Bearden, by the way, on our next appearance, I would like to appear with Tom Bearden, who is acknowledged at the top of this paper.
Tom Bearden is a U.S. Army physicist, retired, who's probably done more single-handedly to resurrect the real Maxwell equations and to point us in the right direction.
And he has been claiming for years, Art, that the Russians really have a handle on this physics and have been using it primarily as a military weapon.
Now, what's remarkable is that when they made that offer to, I believe it was the Indonesians, it was a Singapore, I forget exactly what southeastern country it was, southeastern Asian country.
The only possible way that they could have offered that, to create a cyclone and to put out those fires, is if they have control of this hyperdimensional technology, which may be known to other people as Tesla technology.
Because the name Nikola Tesla must factor very heavily in the discussion of how do you convert from theory to a practical engineering to important things.
I don't want to digress here from Francis, but let's get back to its consciousness application down the line in the next few minutes.
Let's take with Francis.
The reason that I am really supporting Francis, up to and including the point of showing up at a fundraising dinner next Monday night, July 20th, Magic July 20th, in downtown Phoenix at the Tempe Mission Palms Hotel Resort.
We are holding a fundraiser for the Barwood Campaign, and I am one of the speakers.
She's the other one.
And we're going to provide a lot of new data, particularly in terms of the Phoenix lights and their relationship to the hyperdimensional model.
Remember, Frances is being creamed in the local Phoenix press by the local Republican Party because she dared, like the kid in that Dickens novel, What Was the Oliver Twist?
You know, when the little kid said, can I have some more, sir?
Simply for asking the question, of doing her job for her constituents and saying, what the hell flew over this city that was two miles wide and was seen by tens of thousands of people that you don't want to talk about.
And everything in the kitchen sink has been thrown at an honest political representative who dared ask the unthinkable.
And the neatest thing is that her opponent has $200,000.
I think Frances Worcester said the last count was, what, $1,000, I think I heard tonight.
And yet she is beating her opponent in every county that I have data now for in terms of polling in Arizona.
Now, this is telling you something profound.
It means that people are listening to radio.
They're listening to your show.
They're listening to the local radio shows there.
They're listening to her positions.
She has some very interesting positions on a wide range of issues.
But her core issue is really our openness in government.
It's basically if you believe in the Constitution, if you believe in government of, by, and for people, at some point people have to count.
And Frances Barwood is a lone voice saying people should count.
And that's why on Monday night on the 20th at the Tempe Palms, I'm going to be showing up.
It's one of these dinners where you actually, you know, they charge you some money, and then a major percentage of that money goes to the candidate.
And what I decided to do, because we had a major political win in terms of openness, you and I on this show, with a lot of help from our friends listening tonight all across the country, demonstrated that if enough people demand Allah Jefferson, redress of grievances from their government, even this government, something can happen, something magical.
We got the pictures art by demanding NASA give them to us in Antonia.
And what I want to do is to go to Arizona, to Phoenix, and talk to a bunch of people in a room that are going to pay $85 a couple to have dinner with us and to see some remarkable data, including the STS-80 film, which we're going to show, to discuss.
Now, coming back to Francis, the reason it's important that people turn out and support her at this dinner is A, she needs money.
She needs money for signs.
She needs money for campaign stuff, you know, the usual stuff.
Sure.
But more important is if you want to see a reason why she should be elected, remember, the Secretary of State of the state of Arizona is a heartbeat away from the governorship.
And the Secretary of State sliding into the governorship.
So in essence, this is really, guys and gals, an election for possibly the next governor of the state of Arizona.
Now, can you imagine a person with Francis Barwood's integrity and mettle and strength of character and determination to serve, being in a position of being governor of one of the 50 states and being able to say to the federal government, you open the files.
You tell me why we're doing this and this and this, why you're flying over our seventh largest city in the United States, et cetera, et cetera.
And yet at the grassroots level, the message is getting through.
Her integrity is getting through.
And I am not making this up.
There was a poll recently, and this is how curious the politics are in Arizona.
There was a poll recently conducted in most of the major counties.
And the local media reported that the governor's numbers and the treasurer numbers.
They did not report the Secretary of State numbers.
So Frances had to call a source that was privy to those numbers.
And we cannot reveal the source because that's how hatchet these politics are now.
But it turned out that the reason they weren't reporting them is because against her opponent who has $200,000 for her $1,000 tonight, Francis is winning.
It's really new because people are beginning to get it, that money does not translate to integrity or honesty or service or anything.
Now, there's one more very important point.
There are two data points coming up on this very tightly contested election.
The next data point for Francis is the primary, which is September 8th, I believe.
Okay, let me check my data here.
We have 57 days to the primary.
Arizona is a structured primary, meaning that only Republicans can vote for Republicans, only Democrats can vote for Democrats, which means that if people want to see Francis elected, they have to get her on the ballot.
They have to actually, she has to win the primary against her Republican opponent, which means that people need to turn out in droves and register Republicans so they can vote her into the actual race on September 8th.
Then if they want, they can switch back to whatever party that they actually want to belong to.
But it's the way the game is played.
And at some level, politics, unfortunately, has become a game.
Well, one of the things that I'm going to do, and I haven't even told Francis the details of this, is that we have developed some remarkable new political evidence of things that were occurring simultaneously at the other end of the country the night of the Phoenix lights on March 13th, 1997.
And for the first time, we're going to lay them out in terms of the national political scene and implications.
This reaches, it turns out, all the way to Washington.
So it will be a pretty interesting evening.
If you show up and you pay the 85 bucks for the dinner, you get dinner plus what we're going to talk about.
If you only want to come for what we're going to talk about, that's only $50, all right?
And about $25 of that ticket goes directly to Frances.
We're trying to maximize the impact on her campaign.
And for all those who can't be with us, if you just send a buck, guys, you can make a tremendous difference because she is winning the battle.
Art, as I'm sure both you and Richard know, the scientific method is observe, hypothesis, test.
Richard's theory of hyperdimensional physics is an interesting hypothesis, but as of yet, it is only just that, a theory.
Richard has always been a proponent of, quote, good science, end quote, and I'm sure he does not propose that the classical scientific method be abandoned.
So the question is, how does Richard propose we test the theory of hyperdimensional physics so we, as scientists, can move forward with solid, reproducible scientific evidence for this new model?
If just the people listening were to send $1, say this is for God, country, and honesty, the staggering impact on that election would be so profound both psychologically and materially that we would have a fascinating set of conversations in the weeks to come.
You know, the core thing that I am intrigued with Frances about, and I Have been ever since we actually met is that here is a politician who has vision.
I mean, she went, she expanded her envelope enormously by asking that unthinkable question.
She had never imagined that UFOs would have anything to do with her lifestyle or politics or those of her neighbors or the people she represented.
And she did ask that question.
And now that she's been fired at, you know, big cannons brought out, governor making fun of her, you know, the mayor talking to the tinpoil professionals, that kind of thing, she's stuck to her guns.
She's not shrunk from the hard questions on this.
And people are getting the message, but not enough people in time to make the primary.
So that's why she needs the help.
That's why she needs people to convert to Republicans for the primary.
And that's why I'm going there on the 20th to reveal some really remarkable things about those lights.
When we get back, we will ask again about the scientific method and how we apply it to hyperdimensional physics to bring it from a theory to reality to practical application.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
All right, Richard, again, I thought this was a pretty good fact.
The bottom-line question was, how does Richard propose we test the theory of hyperdimensional physics so that we as scientists, this is one of them, can move forward with solid, reproducible scientific evidence for this new model?
I have composed a list of laboratory experiments going back now several years that are not very expensive that we are going to in the next several weeks be carrying out.
And we're going to list the experiments and then list the results.
And in the next week, I am taking a special trip to discuss with a potential, shall we say, collaborator the laboratory setup for doing exactly what the FACASA proposes.
That's on the laboratory scale.
On the larger scale, one of the neatest things that really got me into this whole thing was that we tripped over, Torin and I tripped over many years ago, 10 years ago now in 88, 89, the astrophysical evidence that seemed to conform to the hyperdimensional model.
And that was the locations on these planets all over the solar system, including the Sun, of the largest energy production centers being located at this 19.5 degrees latitude that I keep talking about over and over and over again.
That's not accidental.
That's a convergence of physical forces that are currently unmodeled by any known physics, climatology, geology, whatever.
And what we have done in the paper is we have listed very specifically some key tests that we're now urging NASA and other NASA-contracted astronomical facilities to carry out, pursuant to their announcement a couple weeks ago of this so-called new planet.
Remember the announcement that came out the day after we did our hyperdimensional show last time?
Of Susan Teraby, this young astrophysicist in Pasadena, who set up her own corporation, the Extra Solar Research Corporation, and got a grant from NASA to basically look for planets around other stars.
Well, she found, as part of her Hubble observing time, this funny little spark of light at the end of a long streak in a dust cloud of a double star system located about 450 light years away in Taurus, called, I think, TMC-1, or Taurus Molecular Cloud Number 1.
And what we've done in the paper is using Susan Teraby's discovery, lay out when they, I mean, they are giving her everything in the kitchen sink to verify her discovery in the next couple of months, beginning in August, all right?
They're giving her more Hubble time, they're giving her time on tech, they're giving her time on infrared telescopes.
I mean, they're making everything available to Susan Teraby to verify that this is a planet.
By the way, this is the same agency which has not taken any more pictures of Sidonia.
Just want to put that on the record, okay?
So one of the things we're proposing in the paper is that if Susan is looking at this object and trying to verify that it is a runaway planet, there are certain signatures in her data which will become apparent as she takes information from the various telescopes that will either support or refute the hyperdimensional model as applied to that kind of planetary system.
And so we laid out those parameters in this paper, and they're there on the website.
We then extended this to astronomy observations that could be made by NASA and or their subcontractors of major objects in this solar system, particularly the giant outer planets, Saturn, Jupiter, Uranus, and Neptune.
What is probably not well known by most people, but they can know it if they go to the web, is that those four outer planets, the big guys, are all glowing.
Remember the old textbook astronomy definition of a planet art?
That a planet's shown by reflected light and stars shown by internal energy?
Well, that definition has kind of lost its meaning.
Because beginning in the 1960s, astronomers were stunned to find that the outer planets are glowing.
In the infrared, they are actually emitting more energy than they're getting from the sun, which kind of blurs the line between a star and a planet.
And for the last 30 years, there's been a lot of discussion in the literature as to, well, what really makes them shine?
Why are they glowing?
And there are various explanations proposed, and we won't get into those tonight.
The bottom line is that I've been able to take their luminosity, and there's a set of graphs in this paper, and I've been able to plot like the old Big Bang redshift plots that Hubble did, you know, 50 years ago, and demonstrate that for some exquisitely inexplicable reason, by any mainstream model, all the growing planets, including, by the way, I put the Earth-Moon system on that graph, fall on a perfectly straight line.
Their glow is only dependent on one parameter, one thing, their total angular momentum, which is basically spin energy.
That's the spin energy of the planet plus the spin energy of any moons going around the planet.
You total those up, you put it on a graph, you know, x and y axis, you get a beautiful straight-line plot.
In fact, the tightness of the plot is better by an order of magnitude or more than Hubble's original plot of galaxies that gave us the whole Big Bang model at this early stage in this set of observations.
So what I am predicting in the paper is, look, you want to test this model?
The model says that the luminosity, if they're hyperdimensionally derived, will have one key difference with any other explanation that no one has yet tested.
The luminosities should change with time.
Both short-term changes, days, months, long-term changes, years.
And because NASA and the guys that worked for NASA believe that this stuff is cosmological, meaning it's kind of cast in concrete, it's on a huge geological timeframe, once they got the luminosities pegged down from the Voyager and the Pioneer missions, they never went back and looked.
No one has looked at the infrared signatures, the outputs of these planets since the 1970s.
Because they think it's permanent.
On a geological time scale, they're constant.
Our model says, no, boys and girls, they're not constant.
Go look at them next week, next month, next year, and they will have changed.
Richard, these changes in luminosity, are these changes concurrent with the changes we were talking about earlier, volcanism, the weather changes, and all the rest of it?
There's a lot of correlating to be done here, and the neat thing is we have computers and the web so we can all compare notes and do the correlating.
And one of the things that I'm looking for are a few bright research assistants, I think I've got one pegged already, to help me now flesh out the model.
There's really neat stuff to be determined here, and there's all kinds of mysteries that, if we're right, would be solved.
I will give you one classic one, and it brings us back to what we discussed at the top of the show.
And in some of his early papers, Carl, in attempting to solve this really interesting puzzle, proposed that in the early billions of years of the solar system, there was a lot of methane and ammonia that was mixed in with the other gases of Mars' much more luxuriant atmosphere.
And those gases would trap sunlight and then be like a blanket and keep the planet warmer and allow for liquid water and rain and oceans and all that.
There's only one problem.
Other guys said, but Carl, those gases are very easily destroyed by ultraviolet, and they did calculations showing that the greenhouse gases would dissipate, be ripped apart within years, and so there'd be no more blanket and no more greenhouse.
So, what, oh, and there's another problem.
The standard models of the sun claimed that in the early years, you know, billion, two billion, three billion years ago when Mars was younger and was supposed to have these rivers, the sun itself was 30% dimmer than it is today.
So you've got a compounded problem.
You have a planet far from the sun, farther than the earth, which would be even colder if the sun was 30% dimmer than it is now.
Now, the elegant, exquisite solution to all this is that the current model for what makes the sun shine is wrong.
It's not primarily thermonuclear fusion.
It's hyperdimensional physics.
And in that model, the sun was brighter then than it is now.
Ergo, without greenhouse gas trapping, you could have rivers on Mars and a warmer Earth.
And the paleontological evidence from Earth indicates that we have been getting cooler, and it used to be much warmer a long time ago on this planet, which all neatly fits with the theory and is part of the testing of the model.
No, the simple problem is simple logistics, all right?
I do not have the time to go through 300 to 500 emails per day.
So what I'm trying to do is set up a filtering system.
If people really want to reach me, there's a fax number on our website.
I answer the telephone more often than I probably should.
So what I'm trying to do is to screen people who really want to care enough to not electronically dash off something, but put it on a piece of paper and fax it.
Now, they can send, you know, email to, well, we're actually going to change this very shortly because it has gotten to where we want technical input and people do rely on email.
But I have not been able to handle the logistical problem of thousands of emails per week.
I mean, we're not keeping up with what we're trying to do now because we do not have paid staff.
I mean, this is a very small research political effort to try to change a very big problem.
But according to an impeccable source that I talked to this afternoon, not only did NASA conduct the experiment three days ago, but they announced through a phone call to my source that it turned out to be positive.
They are getting null gravity, less gravity, over the spinning superconducting disk at the Huntsville Marshall Space Flight Center experiment that is predicted by standard theory.
Several months ago, there was a Finnish scientist named Pudlenkov who announced that if he took a disc of superconducting material and spun it and put a test mass that was not electrically conductive above it, that the little mass would lose weight.
Three-tenths of a percent, I think, was the number that was quoted in his paper.
A lot of people were shooting at him.
There was a paper he was going to put out new, and then he had to withdraw it, and there was a lot of acrimonious finger-pointing and stuff on the internet and back and forth.
NASA's people at Huntsville, at the Marshall Space Flight Center, quietly announced they were going to set up the experiment and see if he was right.
It has now been over a year, and in December and January, they reported null results.
Now they're reporting, quietly to my source, positive results.
Now, we tried to call one of the co-experimenters tonight, and it was too late back east to get confirmation directly for airtime.
But the interesting thing, of course, is that normally when you run an experiment, you shouldn't get a null and then a positive, unless you've done something really wrong.
That's part of the problem with the coal fusion people.
When Pons and Fleischman first announced their remarkable experiments, people couldn't duplicate them.
Well, the hallmark of the hyperdimensional model is the things you do today, you can't do next Thursday.
But you can do them next Saturday because it varies with time.
It's cyclic based on literal astronomical phasing.
Where the moon is, where the planets are, how the planet rotates, all that stuff.
It's geometric.
And the modulation being geometric, it's not going to be reproducible every single time by anybody anywhere at any latitude unless you take that into the equation.
But if, in fact, we have reduced gravity, then that is the first little baby step toward eventually possibly even eliminating gravity or going to a negative state in which one could turn it around, turn the beat around, so to speak.
And you would have a vehicle that would operate using gravity, virtually anti-gravity, yes?
And what my thinking is, and what we're going to talk about at the Barwood Dinner, is that what the public NASA guys, the honest part of the system, are now beginning to duplicate is what the black projects have been doing very successfully for probably the last 10 or 20 years.
And I was wondering if earthquake scientists have taken into account the gravitational pull of surrounding planets in their estimates of when or when not an earthquake might come.
No, the effects we're talking about are not gravitational.
They are, well, they're hyperdimensional.
Because in higher dimensions, which is what the hyper and hyperdimensional refers to, the planets, although in three dimensions are separated by millions and billions of miles, in hyperdimensions, they're not separated.
They are connected.
So the forces and the interconnectivity and the effects all produce results in 3D that are not explainable by current theory, which is limited.
Richard, if you do think there is something to the gravitational effects of planets on each other, then what do you imagine might occur in a complete alignment of planets, if any, any element?
In the hyperdimensional model, where energy flows losslessly, like in a superconductor, is when the angles are 120 and 60.
Where you've got a problem is when the angles are 90 degrees and 180.
The alignment in 2000 is when they're at 180.
So the problem is that those inner planets, the ones we can see, that's the alignment that we're talking about, is 180.
The outer guys, the ones we're proposing have to exist, are coming into, I believe, a 60-degree relationship, which means it's probably not a good day in Mundville.
Because what happens is that the 180 or the 90s tend to make the energy dissipate.
It's like you're driving along the freeway at 60 miles an hour, and suddenly a brick wall appears in front of you.
What's going to happen?
So I would say that it's a non-gravitational effect, but the result could be the same in that we need to kind of watch this one.
What I was hinting at earlier in the show is if there are people in the black world, the secret world of this technology, which we see on the NASA shuttle flights and all that, who know this is not theory, they know it's fact, and they are taking their plans accordingly, then prudence would suggest that you get out of harm's way.
If you cannot put in place a system to divert harm, you've got two choices, either divert it or get out of the way.
No, it's it's referenced to the equator because that's the way the geometry works, and there are higher order latitudes, like 30 degrees, 45, 60.
It's curious that HARP, which is this huge electromagnetic installation funded by the Air Force and the Naval Research Lab, is located north of Fairbanks, just about exactly at 60 north, and just about opposite the meridian of Giza, of the Great Pyramid.
And the last show I did, I made mention that that was kind of coincidentally curious, because if you go back to Bearden's work, A la Tesla, you find that one of the ways to interact with the planet in a potential modification of these forces would be to use appropriate electromagnetic technology in ways that would attempt to interfere with the process which is changing the physics and
You know, kind of like music theory, where what you want is harmonics that are pleasing, and what we have currently are disharmonies.
We have clashing notes.
And the idea was massive electromagnetic technology, you could change the disharmonies into harmonies, which would, in essence, ameliorate the problem.
But you need to do it on a big scale.
And harp is the biggest thing going that kind of looks like that might be one of the things they're doing in secret and not telling us.
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I see.
What about, like, Hawaii?
Why is that longitude so special?
Why isn't there like Hawaii volcanoes all across the planet?
And we don't probably have time for a really detailed answer.
It has to do with the ideal versus the real.
When you used to study physics in high school, they give you these classic problems, you know, Newton's first law, second law, third law.
Then they would introduce you to a frictionless table with little hockey pucks sliding around on liquid CO2 to simulate a frictionless environment in weightlessness.
Well, it kind of approached it, but it wasn't ideal.
It was an approximation.
The problem is that planets, real worlds, are not ideal.
They're approximations.
And so instead of having a ring of activity at 19.5, the activity tends to cluster at one point, at one longitude.
And in our epoch, in our era, that longitude is under Hawaii.
That's a kind of a simple explanation.
It has to do with fluid physics in the real world.
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Could the spin or this rate of the spin of the planet affect that hyperdimensional physics or energy?
And if you look in the paper on the web, there are two specific examples called from the scientific literature that are really important evidence that we're on the right track.
One is the change of dynamical time, meaning the spin of the Earth, relative to atomic time.
Art advertises this atomic clock that resets itself and is accurate to one second in a million years.
Well, we've added 20 seconds in the last 20 years.
I mean, gravity is supposed to be a constant, constant constant.
By the way, this gets to the really exciting thing about what happened to the dinosaurs.
If you look at dinosaur skeletons and you look at the size of these guys, they're huge.
No paleontologist now worth his salt has thought of the obvious problem, which is that you couldn't have Jurassic Park because the damn things would collapse under their own weight.
There was a very brilliant engineer named Arthur Young who showed me a paper he had done many, many years ago.
And he was up in Berkeley, and I gave my first public presentation on the Mars data at his institute in Berkeley.
Anyway, he gave me a little paper that he written, oh, 20, 30 years ago, showing two curves parallel to each other.
One, all the big guys that live on Earth now.
Elephants, blue whales, big cats, lions, that kind of thing.
Rhinoceros.
And then another line showing all the dinosaurs.
And what he was able to form were two parallel curves showing that each large animal fit on a curve, but the two curves were not sequenced to each other.
In other words, they were parallel.
They were not contiguous.
Indicating to him that somehow gravity of the Earth itself had changed by a factor of a third between the time of Jurassic Park and now.
Gravity has increased by a third since the time the dinosaurs lived, and only the hyperdimensional model A predicts this and B explains how it happened, and it goes to the heart of Tom Van Flandern's idea, which is a whole other show.
It absolutely is, and I don't remember whether it's east or west, but I know that pilots need to do corrections for magnetic compasses based on reports given by the government as to how much the drift is.
The main thing that's going on is on the surface in terms of weather.
And what drives the weather cycle on the Earth is the evaporation and then condensation of the predominant component of the Earth's surface, which is water.
I mean, they don't call this the water planet for nothing.
And three-quarters of the surface is covered by oceans.
And that water, when it gets into the atmosphere, when it's evaporated, has to condense somewhere eventually.
Like James predicted years ago, the jet stream would come down to the deck.
Well, what you're doing is taking a current of air, which is flowing along at 150, 200 miles an hour, and then you're putting a kink in it.
And so that 200 miles an hour jet stream of air suddenly touches the ground, which it never is supposed to.
Well, it's those capricious things that the hyperdimensional model says have to happen, because energy is building, and energy has to go somewhere.
If energy is building, it's going to evaporate more water.
That water eventually has to condense somewhere.
So the change of local weather and the change of large regional climate is, in essence, predicted by the changes in the fundamental drivers behind the whole system, which is more energy in the system.
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Could you use this as a map predicting all types of global changes?
But we don't have enough data, good data, because our lifespan, the lifespan of science, I mean, Ark said a few minutes ago that according to the British, this is the hottest summer on record.
Well, we only had records going back, what, 100 years maybe?
200 years?
We're talking about changes on the order of thousands of years, if not 13,000 years for the half cycle that I've been gently referring to.
So we really have no hard data.
Now, we have softer data.
We have things like varves in lakes.
We have flood strata levels of like the Nile.
We have estuaries around, let's say, the big lakes in the southern part of the Soviet Union.
We have gross climatological features.
We have isotopic measurements in ice cores.
But let me give you a caveat.
If we're right, if this physics really is a physics, then all of the radioactive measurements and all of the climate data based on radioactive measurements like isotope changes is immediately suspect.
And let me tell you why.
A few months ago, there was a demonstration on Good Morning America.
This is referenced in the hyperdimensional paper.
And on live television, as part of a coal fusion experiment witnessed by Michael Gillian, the experimenters stuck an isotope of uranium, U-235, I believe, in the middle of the coal fusion device.
U-235 has a half-life, meaning it takes X number of years for half the radioactivity to go away.
That half-life is 4.5 billion years.
They were able, with this machine, in time-lapse photography, to demonstrate that in about an hour and a half, they got half the U-235 to go away.
This is hyperdimensional physics, which means that every single measurement of Earth climate going back 20 years, 50 years, 1,000 years, 10,000, 50,000, 200,000 based on radioactive measurements or isotopes, or even things like dating, like carbon-14 dating of archaeological stuff, has to be totally rethought because radioactivity is not a constant in this physics.
And the sooner that we get off our pedestal and think that we know everything, the sooner we start saving people's lives, property, their future, their children's future.
In other words, the sooner we start acting like adults instead of kids having tantrum savings.
When I was up there, I used to run Flatbed quite a lot up north.
And I ran up over into the Pasco-Kennewick area of Washington.
And I ran in a compression chamber door that I'd picked up in California.
I took this up to a laser technology station up there that was three miles square.
That's three miles, four different ways.
And they said that they were setting one up there, one up over in Europe, one over in Japan.
And these were all laser beams that was going to check the gravitational pull from the planets and shift some planets and stuff like that and see if it done anything on Earth.
And if all of these matched at the same time, it showed gravitational pull.
It sounds like an interferometer or a version of a ring gyro laser where you send the beam around both directions and measure the clock times, you know, and then you measure the phase shift.
And yes, depending upon various atomic constants not being constant, you will get changes in the laser output at the end of the experiment.
In other words, what we have is an in-crowd and an out-crowd.
We have most physicists and most people thinking we have a certain science.
Then we have other guys that somehow are part of the black world that know a lot more than the honest guys do, and there's no communication between the two, except randomly and occasionally when an honest guy will stumble across something, and then he is either, you know, made an offer he can't refuse to come in from the cold, or he's turned into an idiot and made to seem like a laughingstock because he knows things he shouldn't know when he's not part of the in-crowd.
That's why we go back to Francis.
Unless we have representative government that can bring these two worlds together, we're not going to be very happy on this planet very much longer.
Perhaps you remember I tried to speak with you several times there, and we never got a chance To really get into some of the deeper things that I wish to cover with you.
I remember very carefully that you had some pretty interesting stuff.
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Yes.
The problem that we face, Richard, is we are out of time, and if we rely on the politicians and the status quo, they're not going to do what has to be done in time enough to do it.
So we literally face the total extinction of all the life on the earth.
If things were going on the way they are, I would agree with you.
But what's going to happen, and this is going to be my one and last prediction tonight, Art, we're going to see a couple of very interesting major events.
And a lot of people are going to, unfortunately, get hurt.
Those events are then going to sensitize a lot of other people that, oh my God, it's not linear.
Things are happening that we can't control.
And that means that the bulk of the mainstream will begin to pay attention to where they're not even on the paper at the moment.
At that point, the neat thing is, this is the important thing everybody should take away from this conversation this evening.
Nothing I'm discussing has to be invented.
It already exists.
It exists in the black world of national security, of physics, of the Cold War, of the development of extraordinary toys.
You know that old joke about what's the difference between boys and men?
It's just the expense of their toys?
All these toys exist.
They only have not been applied to the bigger problems because the guys with the toys don't know that they're applicable to the planet.
They've thought of them as gadgets, as war toys, as, you know, part of the Cold War.
But the fact is that when the mainstream demands answers, the answers are waiting in the black community, and it requires honest political brokers like Barwood to get at those answers quicker than we normally are going to be able to get to them.
You know, I spent six and a half years in prison held illegally without due process of law in this United States of America because of some things that I discovered in 1988.
I tried to have something done about that through the government and the FBI and CIA and Secret Service and some other people that I had dealt with when I was in the service.
Why were you in jail?
It has to do with the killing of a guy that ran a CIA operation in Palo Alto.
Well, there are laws regarding the possession of machine guns.
I don't know about whether it wouldn't fire or not, but I guess I've gone as far with that as I can.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Richard C. Ogland.
Hi.
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Hi, Art.
Hi, Richard.
How are you all doing tonight?
Just fine.
My name is Richard Osso.
I'm calling from Humboldt County, California.
Richard, I'd like to add, well, before I get into that, Art, I just want to ask you, what do you think the jump in circulation was for this month's issue of Penthouse?
Because I know I don't usually buy it, but I thought they treated you well.
Well, we know that something physical appeared to tens of thousands of people.
Linda's had a lot of interviews.
I've talked at great length with De La Toso and Mike Tanner and other folks.
We know they were not flares.
We now have an astronomer who was the former scientist, he was kind of my equivalent at CNN, who went to Phoenix, conducted his own investigation, and has come to an independent conclusion of any of us that, in fact, there was something real physical in the skies over Phoenix.
And it was obviously operating on some kind of physics that is not currently known.
Now, was it ours or was it theirs?
There is evidence in both directions.
And one of the things I'm going to present at the dinner on Monday night the 20th is evidence that Washington was in the loop and there was a lot of phone calls and a lot of reaction to whatever took place over Phoenix.
We have had a number of people over the years art breaking cover and kind of revealing things that they probably shouldn't.
One of the models is that this is ours.
And some guys decided, because this physics is so critical to our long-term well-being, to make a demonstration so that it would be undeniable that somebody has control of this technology and that it should be brought out in the openness and that people like Barwood would be very effective in bringing it out.