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June 9, 1998 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Gordon Michael Scallion - Predictions

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Twelve o'clock back there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in New Hampshire, right?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My listenership probably has doubled or tripled since the last time we spoke.
		Your appearances are rare on the program, so I hope everybody who's heard it before will bear with us.
		But the short story of what happened to you, how you became who you are.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I began in 79.
		At that time, my vocation was a video consultant who was involved in designing engineering studios and things of that nature.
		Very technical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very technical.
		You're a hand, as I am.
		I've always been technical, I guess.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I started at the age of seven or eight, built my first crystal radio and hand radio license at 10 and so forth.
		So everything was too much of a linear world for me.
		Then in 79, I was living on a sailboat at that time.
		Took a couple years and decided to live aboard a 30-foot loop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Living aboard a sailboat full-time?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Full-time, but I had a ship-to-shore radio and I did some marine communications work, and I also had a consulting business that was very easy to work from a boat.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And I did have an office.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gee, a hard life, Gordon.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I thought I had it just about as perfect as you could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would say.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and, you know, the Gulf Coast of Florida is beautiful.
		And so at that time in my life, there was nothing, obviously, stressful or anything going on that I was aware of.
		But one day in the afternoon, in the middle of a presentation with some clients, in mid-sentence, my voice literally froze up.
		I relayed this story many times, but the closest thing I could describe it is as if somebody went in and surgically didn't move my larynx.
		There was no sound that you could make.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would still move your mouth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing comes.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was like talking, like watching a silent movie.
		And I reached for my throat because, you know, I just thought my passageway had gotten blocked.
		And I just kept trying to make sounds, and I couldn't.
		And for the first few seconds, I was, you know, wasn't too concerned.
		But then I looked at the faces of the clients who were aghast at what was happening.
		And they thought I was having a stroke.
		And so I leaned forward, you know, saying, are you all right?
		And I felt no discomfort.
		I wasn't in pain.
		It was just nothing, except my voice was simply gone.
		After five minutes, I then started getting very nervous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that is, after all, what will kill your speech is a stroke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what else will do that.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it's also, I was at the age, I was in my 30s, and it was in that age period where you begin hearing stories of people going through health crises.
		And I could not relate it to anything.
		I mean, there was nothing physically going on in my life that would have pointed to this.
		So we probably, you know, within 15 minutes, we had made calls to the hospital.
		And the clients just were so nervous.
		And, you know, I started writing little notes and saying, you know, I don't know what's wrong, but I'm going to, don't worry about this.
		I'll get back to you.
		And they wanted to immediately take me someplace or call an ambulance.
		And something would not let me do that.
		So I drove myself to the hospital.
		And they immediately put me inside, ran some protests.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did anybody go to the hospital with you, or did you have to write notes there?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I went by myself.
		They offered to do it.
		One of the people that was in the meeting was put in trembling.
		Later found out that her brother, or it was her brother-in-law, had a stroke and went through some very similar situations.
		And so for her, it was like removing this nightmare.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, you got to the hospital, and I guess you probably had to write a note and said, I can't speak.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they knew before I got in there because one of the people had called the hospital and told them what the situation was.
		They said, come right in to the emergency, asked if we needed an ambulance, and we said no.
		I went in, they did test, they came back in and said, you know, two, three different doctors came in, and finally they said, we're going to have to put you, admit you, and we're going to have to watch you very carefully and see what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		So in the hospital, I went, several hours had passed.
		I was in a room by myself.
		There was a secondary bed in there, but no one was in the bed.
		And one of the nurses came in and she said, look, we're going to set a series of tests for you in the morning.
		In the meantime, we're going to do some things for you, make you more comfortable.
		And so one of the nurses came in and hooked a couple of IVs to each arm.
		And then they left, and I was there, and it was probably 11 o'clock.
		The news was on the local news, and there was no way that I was going to be able to go to sleep.
		So I was waiting for Johnny Carson to come on.
		So I knew that 11.30 that would come on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		11.30.
		Just as Ed McMahon comes on and says, here's Johnny, at that moment, strange lights started appearing in the room.
		And I paid no attention to it at first.
		I thought it was coming from the hallway, maybe from some kind of equipment.
		Within probably two or three minutes, the lights are now penetrating into the room.
		And I'm looking to see the doorway, the glass doorway to the room, and trying to see where the reflections are coming from.
		And all of a sudden, inside of the door, in my room now, there is this huge sphere of light, all kinds of radiating colors, blues and purples, and sparks coming off of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the door itself?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It's just inside the door.
		The lights were outside the door.
		Now they're inside this door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I've got you.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And it's about the size of a beach ball.
		And it's swirling and moving, and I'm watching this thing.
		And now I'm really starting to get nervous.
		Up to this point, my rational mind was going through all the things it could be.
		Maybe I'm having too good a life.
		Maybe it's something to do with the sun.
		I spent so much time in the sun.
		Maybe it's some kind of a sun-related thing to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the IVs?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, I didn't pay any attention to the IVs at this time.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		They were just in my arm, and I didn't even think about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when I say what about the IVs, what about the content of the IVs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything in there that could have done that?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, the way I got through the experience, which lasted about a half an hour, I finally came to the conclusion that what I was having was some kind of a drug reaction to the IVs.
		And I said, this is why I'm seeing these visions.
		There were lights and colors and symbols.
		And it was like watching three or four drive-in movies at the same time.
		And so then it ended with a woman actually, or at least her head, appearing out of the sphere.
		And an elderly woman, perhaps in her 70s, gray hair.
		And she was talking to me.
		She was saying, write these things down.
		And I'm thinking, wow, you know, the supplement diabetes is really something.
		Because at that stage of my life, I had never done drugs.
		And occasionally alcohol, beer or two, it was about my limit.
		And so, you know, I could not accept the fact that something in my mind could have snapped.
		And it was easier to accept the fact that something was in these diabetes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		In the morning, we woke up.
		Nurse comes in, addresses me by name, and without thinking, I respond to her.
		And she looks at me kind of strange and picks up the chart.
		She says, aren't you the fellow that came in last night that can't speak?
		And I said, oh, I guess I'm okay.
		She said, I guess I'm ready to go home.
		She says, well, the doctor will be in shortly.
		He says he's round shortly.
		And I said, by the way, I said, what was in those IVs?
		I said, you know, what was in there?
		And she cut me off.
		And she said, well, you'll have to talk to the doctor about that.
		And she says, but nothing to be concerned about.
		And I decided not to tell her anything.
		Well, the doctor did come in and I asked him, I said, by the way, what's in his IVs?
		He said, well, he says, you were very dehydrated when you came in here.
		He said, so it's kind of a selling solution for you.
		And I said, no, what else is in it, though?
		You've got two of them.
		What else is in there?
		They said, no, these are just things to maintain your body.
		And he said, there's no drugs in here.
		And it was at that moment that my stomach just became a knot.
		And it was at that point that I thought, God, there really is something wrong with my mind.
		I really have snapped it.
		Everything I experienced, I cannot possibly tell these people that.
		I just need to get out of here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At this point, you're obviously...
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		At that point, he didn't.
		He was running all kinds of checks.
		He kept constantly looking down my throat and feeling my throat.
		And he said, we're still going to do this battery of tests on you.
		And he kept asking me, he said, how old are you?
		And he said, he kept repeating things like, how are things in your life?
		any stress in your life, buzzwords that keep pulling back to some kind of...
		So after the tests we ran, which were really very simple, blood work and things of that nature, I don't see anything here specifically.
		He says, but many times he says these things happen because of some kind of emotional stress.
		He says, then I suggest that we go to the next stage and you go see this doctor.
		Without even hesitating, I said, okay.
		And so, you know, he said, I'll throw in this building.
		You don't even have to leave the building.
		You know, he has his office right here.
		And so, you know, a few hours later, I'm out and down the hall.
		And, you know, my worst nightmare, I'm at the door of this psychiatrist.
		And I'm thinking, you know, I hesitate about going in.
		In fact, I even turned around and I said, I'm not going to do this.
		Mostly because I just couldn't accept the fact that somehow I snapped.
		I did go, however, mostly because I had no other rational experience.
		And I really thought that I should tell him about this experience that I had in the hospital.
		And within 15 minutes of talking with him about my mother, my father, my sister, you know, my whole life, not once had he asked me, you know, where did this happen?
		There was no background about that.
		I mean, he immediately went back to my first conscious thought in life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Presumption that something earlier in life caused this.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		So I left, did not schedule any further appointments, and literally went home to my boat, just sat there and didn't do anything for a couple of days.
		And so a friend of mine who I went sailing with, you know, came over and I confided in him what had happened.
		And since he was a dream therapist and he also had an MD degree, but he spent most of his work in dream analysis, he said, well, let's start a dream journal for you and start watching and seeing what's happening.
		And up to this point, I couldn't ever tell you any dream I had in my life.
		And I told him that.
		I said, I don't think I dream.
		I can't remember anything.
		He says, well, stack this journal and we'll see.
		And he says, And tell me about your experience.
		And he says, If you take me sailings, that'll be the trade.
		So off we go sailing, and I told him the story, and he wrote it all down.
		And I said, Okay, you know, he said, Well, let's go sailing next week.
		He says, it'll be like therapy for both of us.
		And the next week, he comes down to the boat and he's got the morning paper.
		And he hands me the paper, and he said, you see the morning's paper?
		And I said, no.
		I said, I really can't deal with news or anything right now.
		I'm afraid if I look at the paper, the same thing is going to happen to me when I look at Johnny Kirsten.
		And I said, I just stopped watching TV.
		I stopped doing everything.
		I just was kind of hiding.
		And he said, well, you really need to look at this.
		And I looked at it, and it was a very specific event that had happened in the world dealing with a plane crash.
		And I said, well, I said, I don't understand.
		And he says, well, that was on your list of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A list of things that you made in the hospital or that you were?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		A list of things that the woman had told me.
		She said, there will be a series of events in the next 30 days that will happen that I will tell you about.
		And the purpose of these things is so that you understand what is going on in your life and what your real purpose is.
		Now, all of this was metaphysical to me, and I had absolutely no understanding of what she was saying, why she was saying it.
		But these events, that was one event, and then every event on that sheet literally happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every event on the sheet.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there were about, I think there were almost ten items that she had said, things that would go on, something to do with the price of silver, something to do with...
		They were like headlines that would have appeared that we would see today.
		You know, and it wasn't like things of death and destruction, though the plane crash certainly was.
		But most of them had to do with conflicts in the world or major things politically or socially that were going on, things that would make headlines.
		And so, you know, after this, and we continued sailing for several weeks, and each week he would talk about it again, and I did start dreaming immediately.
		And so finally he said, look, he says, I really believe in the power of the mind, he says, or I wouldn't be in this work as a dream analyst.
		And he says, but your dreams are something more than just dreams.
		He says, somehow, he says, you've entered what Carl Jung calls the collective consciousness.
		Somehow, some function of you has tapped into this time stream.
		He said whether you manifested this woman yourself in your own subconscious mind or whether you made contact with something else, he says, I can't say.
		I can only tell you, he says that...
		We have to look at the data.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, as you look back at it now, after all of these years, what do you think happened to you?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It became easier after 79 to accept a whole series of theories.
		And I would hold on to a theory for perhaps a year, and then something would change in my life, and I would have to modify that theory.
		All the theories I had was that it was somehow external to me.
		It was somehow the power of the mind was communicating.
		You know, since I was in communications, to me it was like another aspect of ham radio.
		I said, you know, maybe life after death is possible.
		Maybe we're just, maybe people somehow in their lives, either through accidents or through meditation or whatever, are able to tap in.
		And I thought I had just kind of tapped into another communications mode.
		It was the only thing I could accept.
		Looking back, you know, in 1998, I see this now and I say, well, I think what really happened is that, indeed, I awoken.
		It was part of this great awakening that I think millions of people are going through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, more and more people are going through it.
		Gordon, hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		There are so many stories like this, many of them involving NDEs and then the kind of abilities that Gordon now has follow.
		He's in New Hampshire.
		He's up late.
		His appearances are few and far between, so you're going to want to listen very carefully.
		Gordon, you're back on the air again.
		And I've got something I want to bring up.
		I've interviewed quite a number of people, Gordon, who have had near-death experiences.
		And in many, many cases, after the MDE, after they come out of it with whatever experience they described, usually very similar, they seem to come out of it with abilities that they did not have previously.
		And something seems to occur in the brain.
		I'm not sure if new neural passages are now activated that were not before.
		Some kind of shock to the system seems to cause this.
		We know we only use a small part of our brains.
		And I wonder if something simply gets connected that was not previously connected.
		I'm sure you've thought about this a million times.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, after I had the experience in 79, I began to explore what had happened to me, trying to use my technical background.
		I spent the next two years literally, I couldn't work because these visions would occur while I was awake or asleep.
		Couldn't even drive for a long time period until I literally trained myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it getting worse?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it worse?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		They were changing.
		It was becoming different.
		And I started to have pain, which I never had before.
		I started having throbbing headaches.
		And my eyes would blink in a very rapid, REM-like fashion.
		And I would see things out of the corner of my eye.
		So there was a lot of physical stuff that started happening.
		And that's the part that really started getting scary for me.
		And actually went through a whole series of Other tests with doctors, and I also then started exploring alternative things at that time, which were not very many, but the 80s was starting to explode, and it was kind of fashionable to explore self.
		And I did run across many people who had near-death experiences and people who've had out-of-body experiences.
		And some that I didn't even know at the time, but the results of what they were experiencing seemed very similar.
		And I think you're right on.
		I think at least my, you know, my 17 years of working in this field tells me that a connection does occur.
		I think that the abilities for intuition and the abilities to awaken other portions of ourself are latent within us.
		I think we all come in with these abilities.
		In our society, we're not trained to use them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or the potential for these abilities.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Right, so we suppress a lot of that.
		I think what happens is that some part of our subconscious mind, or again, an accident, which still may be caused by some part of our inner being, awakens these glands.
		And then these glands start functioning.
		And I finally went to an acupuncturist in desperation.
		And the first thing he said, he says, take off your shoes and socks.
		And I'm pointing to my head and my neck where the pain is.
		And he says, take off your shoes and socks.
		I repeated it.
		And he looked at my tongues and he said, how long have these tongues been black like that?
		Yeah, the actual toenails have become black, blackened.
		And so I immediately thought he was going to say, you've got a dietary problem.
		I was going to say, wow, this is the solution.
		You know, I'll take calcium, magnesium, I'll take some mineral, and he's found it.
		He's found the reason.
		And I said, well, it started about, you know, maybe three, four weeks ago.
		And he said, when did these headaches start and the pains?
		And I thought about it.
		And I said, well, yeah, about a month ago.
		And he said, roll up your cuffs.
		I roll up my cuffs.
		And on the insides of my legs, all of the hair on those legs was totally gone.
		And I just had not even focused on it.
		And I said, oh, yeah.
		They were totally gone.
		And then he says, why don't you look at your fingernails?
		He looked at my fingernails and then he looked at my eyes.
		And he looked at me and he says, do you know what Kunduwini is?
		And I had, but I had no idea what you're talking about.
		And he says, the kunduwini is kind of like an awakening where an energy flows through you and it is a process or a part of trying to seek enlightenment.
		And I said, well, I said, I'm not on that path.
		I'm on a path here of trying to make this stuff go away.
		I just want to stop seeing this stuff.
		I want to get back to my normal life.
unidentified		Sure.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And he then said, you need to read about this.
		And so he gave me a book and bowed to me and sent me on my way.
		And I went home, read the book, and it described so close of what I was going through that it made all the difference in the world.
		And then that book led me to another book, which led me to another book.
		And then in the process of probably two or three months, I began to understand what was happening to me and to a lot of other people.
		And then realizing how many people out there, I'm sure today even more so, are misdiagnosed because of these abilities that start to open up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think it is, no matter how it occurs, for lack of a better term, a sudden contact with the collective consciousness that is what occurred to you, and it has occurred to others with NDEs or OBEs or whatever they are?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I think the first connection that occurs, which is usually subtle and it usually is not understood, occurs within your own being.
		You get in touch with another part of your subconscious mind.
		It's like a dream world.
		If you spend a little time in your dreams, you have to wonder what incredible intelligence is creating these dream scenarios.
		And once you reach that stage, it's like a radio.
		Like turn a channel, all of a sudden you're listening to something else.
		And so it starts within.
		And then once that connection is made, you just have to decide what you want to tune into.
		And it can be anything from other consciousnesses of other realms, other consciousness from other star systems.
		The limitations aren't there.
		It's a wide spectrum.
		We're used to, you know, like you and I are used to the electromagnetic spectrum, radio and microwave television, so for infrared.
		This spectrum goes far beyond it.
		It's the spectrum of mind.
		And in that spectrum, there's an infinite number of intelligences that can be active.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that you chose to see the future?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I spent a lot of time in my new book describing that function of what I felt was why this really happened to me because the question was on my mind every night is, you know, why me?
		You know, this is not someone who's a believer.
		And I came to the conclusion that it's like this bell rings for everybody.
		And some people hear the bell with the first gong, and other people hear the bell a minute later, or a year later, or a lifetime later.
		And I think that I, if you believe in the concept of a spiritual presence that we're part of, the collective consciousness, and that each of us is a soul unto ourselves, but yet we're connected to a greater collective of souls, and then all of these souls are collected together as part of the Creator.
		And so, for me, it was, I got in touch with some part of me who had other time periods, past time periods, maybe even future time periods of me, who realized certain things.
		In other words, I had certain, we'll call it comma to work through.
		We had certain functions that we each come in with.
		We each have certain abilities.
		Everybody has a gift at birth, and we can choose to misuse that gift or to work with it.
		And from that perspective, we then unfold like the flower.
		When the Kundalini rises, we now have more power access to us.
		So for me, it's like seeing, I saw the future, and then for several years, I just saw the past.
		You know, like ancient past, Atlantis, Egypt, Lemuria, watching the pyramids being built, who built them, how they were built.
		Could not understand why I was seeing all that, but it lasted for perhaps two years.
		And then it shifted from the future to the years 98 through the year 2001, a three-year timeframe.
		It really focused on those years and then extended it up to the year 2012.
		And, you know, seeing these things and watching things unfold, and also seeing that some of the things, the events, are fluid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was about to ask you about the nature of time itself.
		In a way, you just answered that.
		You're saying the future is fluid?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The future is fluid.
		In our reality, the physical reality, we control time.
		The collective consciousness, which manifests in each of us, each of us is a part of, we literally control time.
		From a subjective point of view, if we were to look at something, I look at a vision, in the inner world, there isn't any time.
		I have to really look for things like a newspaper headline, or I have to look for a particular terrain, you know, this desert.
		Is it morning?
		Is it night?
		Can I look at the clothing and tell the time of the year?
		Occasionally, I'll even hear a voice that will give me a very specific beat.
		And Northridge and Herc and Andrew and a few other events were that way, it was very specific.
		This is the date it would happen on.
		And so those I saw as fixed things.
		They were fixed.
		But the time thing is only a question of when it's going to happen, not if it's going to happen.
		Now, the if part is much easier to control in an individual's life.
		An individual can change their future at any moment.
		No matter what someone, a visionary, a psychic, a prophet, no matter what they say, at any moment, that person can change their destiny in their life.
		The patterns and the energies directing that person may be very strong, but the individual controls it.
		Now, when you get outside of the individual, you start looking at a collective nature.
		It's no different than trying to change a law, you know, through the Senate or the House.
		You know, you have to get an agreement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you about a specific.
		Let us say that you saw with near certainty, and we'll go into how you see these things shortly, you saw that somebody was going to get hit by a truck, and you knew the rough date.
		You had one of these certainty things.
		If you were to go to that person and tell them what was going to occur, could they and would they avoid that death?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It is possible.
		There have been a couple of cases in my own life, as well as friends, where such cases have occurred.
		I describe one in my book where I'm on a highway, and I have this dream.
		Every morning I enter the same little highway, and I see it, and then in this dream I have, I see this very specific car, specific make and color, speeding, and as I come up the upper ramp, he's going so fast, he can't stop.
		There's a truck in the left lane, he can't turn over, and he hits me, and I see my car turn over, and I see my throat literally split open, and I'm dead.
		And I see that whole dream.
		And this dream appears for like two or three days in a row.
		So every day when I go up to that little intersection in real life, I'm looking down the highway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And finally, on the fourth or fifth day, I'm looking down, I get up there, and I get this eerie feeling, and I literally get up to the yield sign that merges onto the interstate, and I literally stop.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And I turn, I don't see anything, and I'm about to accelerate, and I stop, and I look one more time just as that car is passing.
unidentified		Same name, same color.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		So in this case, I think dreams and insights and intuition are always working on us.
		We may not pay attention to it.
		We just react.
		But we can change those kind of events.
		There are other events, such as the seasons of the year, that, unless we mess with nature technically and also with our thoughts, are going to happen.
		We're going to have summer, we're going to have winter, we're going to have spring.
		Well, the earth itself has a destiny, just as our sun has a destiny.
		Our destinies are a lot more fluid, and we have a lot more control.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But there is a collective destiny, isn't there?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I believe there is an overall age, a theater.
		The Earth has a destiny.
		The destiny is governed by cycles, and we can make books on these cycles, just like the moon and its orbits and the tides.
		So there is that destiny.
		Now, as part of that destiny, the dynamic energies, the thing we call astrology, for example, it sets up a stage.
		It sets up a pattern of energies that says these energies are going to be in existence for an age.
		Age is Pisces, Aquarius.
		But for a couple thousand years, we have certain dynamic energies that are set in a stage for us.
		How we lay out that stage is still individual, but we do have a destiny within that framework.
		And over millennium of time, this changes.
		And then there's a grand cycle Of what we're about, we had just entered into this grand cycle, it's a 26,000-year cycle, and we have just entered, we've just been completing a cycle and we're about to begin a new one.
		And that particular cycle will now create a whole new stage, new set designs, if you will, and it'll have a new general destiny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I recall from our previous interviews one thing that has always stuck with me.
		You said when you saw what was to be, you would see in effect three TV screens, like three TV screens, and one would be brighter and more vivid than the other two, or there would be some combination thereof, and that would indicate the current likelihood of whatever scenario you were seeing.
		Is that roughly accurate?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		That's very accurate.
		For me, in my visionary process, is that these three streams are like a time stream.
		I've learned, for example, that dreams can occur while you're totally awake or asleep.
		And that there's these multiple streams that are going on.
		During the day, we're usually fixed on work or relationships or whatever we're doing.
		And so we kind of close out the general stream of consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not as sensitive as a brick.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And so what happens for me is that three streams come through.
		And these streams, for example, if I'm looking at an individual, I will see three aspects of some part of that person's life.
		Let's say it's that person's health.
		I might see that person very gray, very muted colors.
		I might see very specific energy colors around certain organs.
		If I then just kind of shift my eyes, and again, it's like looking at a movie.
		It's like watching three television monitors.
		I look at the center one, and I kind of see them as they are now.
		If I look it to the right, I kind of see their probable future.
		So I've learned that what I'm looking at is the present them, the worst case scenario of them, and the probable outcome.
		So I might say to that person, this is what I see, and if you change this, do this, or go see this doctor, or make this change, you'll find that this will occur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did that for a long time for people, didn't you?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I did a little over 10,000 sessions for people.
		After 82, I finally accepted the fact of what was going on with me, and I said, I've got to find some benefit of this, or I'm going to go totally bonkers.
		And then I realized when someone came to visit me and told me that I could do these things, and I looked at this person with total disbelief.
		And after an hour with the person, he smiled and shook my hand and stood up and proceeded to tell me that he was a doctor.
		He was an MD.
		And what I was telling him was valid.
		And so I looked at several physicians for the years and did a lot of these sessions using that same process.
		Now, these people would come back maybe after six months or three months, and I would look again, and I would see that many of them had changed.
		So somehow, it wasn't predestined.
		Somehow, they made some kind of a conscious or subconscious move to visit with me, and then the second part was they took responsibility and they did something, and then therefore it improved their life.
		About a third of the cases that we did, we found that no matter what I said or anybody said, nothing was going to change.
		They were aware of things, but there was another program running in them that somehow wasn't allowing that.
		And I learned by looking at the first image, which would have been their past or past life, that this was something that they brought in as karma.
		And somehow they were working it through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it was going to have to happen.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It was going to continue to happen.
		I spent probably more time on those than I did on the other group because I learned in my own life, for example, I mean, I cured myself of several major diseases through this ability that I had.
		I had chronic asthma, and I totally cured it, you know.
		And so for these people, it was if they would accept what was going on, then they could start to deal with it.
		And there were, we did have cases where people did change their life.
		In 1991, that whole process or that part of the visionary thing stopped instantly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stopped?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It just stopped.
		I had a dream and the dream said, you no longer will be doing this.
		And this voice in my dream, I call it the Moses voice because it never has a face.
		It just sounds like, you know, like Chelsea Heston, you know, his kind of a voice.
		And it's like an authority figure in my dreams, and I pay attention to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's like it was telling you this phase has ended.
		And this phase on the program has, too.
		We're at the top of the hour, so relax.
		We'll be right back to you.
		Gordon Michael Scallion is my guest, and there are some rather sharp things ahead in the road.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		Michael Scallion, in the middle of a business meeting, lost his voice.
		It just flat went away in the middle of a presentation.
		They took him to the hospital.
		He had some serious experiences in the hospital.
		He saw visions.
		He saw a woman who told him certain things were going to happen within 30 days.
		They did happen.
		In successive years, he treated as many as 10,000 people with what he saw and was able to see about these people, medical things, what was wrong with them, what might correct it under some conditions, About two-thirds of the time.
		And then that phase ended, that predictive medical help phase ended, and another phase began.
		Gordon saw things, the easy way to explain it is three TV screens with three possible futures for an individual or for a continent or, I suppose, the world.
		And one of these screens would be brighter than the others, or perhaps there would be gradients between them, and the brightest would be the most likely, and so forth.
		I think you get the idea.
		At any rate, the phase with helping people personally ended, and then what happened, Gordon?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Then I began to have a series of nightmares.
		Again, I had this one dream where I was told that that part of my life, that work that I was doing, was over, and that I would very shortly have a new series of things that I would be doing and would need to do.
		And it was very vain, very vague whether.
		So the second night, I began to see the Earth as the same way that I would see people on two screens.
		I would see three different Earths.
		And each night, I would see things happening, such as volcanoes would erupt.
		And then I would look at a city, for example, and I would see the city in one color, and the other two screens would be different colors.
		One would be very vibrant, the other would be almost gray or black.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just the way you'd seen people.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Same way.
		And it was at that point that I, it just hit me.
		I mean, I should have known this all my life as a child.
		I just didn't.
		I didn't get it.
		But I realized that the Earth was sentient.
		It was a living entity with its own consciousness, obviously different than ours, but yet able to communicate just as we do if we only took the time to listen.
		And I think the native peoples of the world have always done that.
		And I just think in our busy society, we have just shut down so many things of our awareness.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's something that seriously freaked me out.
		You began recording your visions in your newsletter.
		When did you start doing that?
		How long ago?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		That was right after the nightmares.
		Nightmares were 29 days exactly.
		On the 29th day, I woke up and I said, I'll do anything to stop these nightmares because I was seeing major earth changes.
		And up to that point, I didn't know what earth changes really was.
		I mean, I heard the term, but it didn't register with me.
		And I sat down and I started writing what I felt I understood from these nightmares.
		And that day, I produced the very first Earth Changes report, sent it out to 100 people that day, went to the local copy shop, and I said, please read this.
		I've met you in my life.
		You came to me for a meeting or we met or you're a friend.
		And tell me if you think this has any validity.
		And if you do, my next step would be is that I would make this available to others.
		And within probably six weeks or seven weeks, those hundred copies had been copied hundreds, if not thousands of times.
		And then within three months, it became an international newsletter.
		And I began to put my insights into it, always stating that, you know, I still see these three different visions of all things.
		And I think that how we act in our communities and how we act with technology, with a misuse of technology, can alter this.
		And eventually that led to me creating a map of North America and then later a map of the world showing a picture that I saw with one of those screens, one of the future pictures.
		And I said, this is the most probable outcome of the destiny of Earth.
		But I believe it can be lessened depending on how we interact with the Earth.
		And so since 91, that has been the path to simply put out the visions that I see and showing options that I believe we can do to modify.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many people get that newsletter now?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It's read by about 80,000 people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		80,000.
		Well, one of those 80,000, or actually several of them, in a panic sent me a copy of your July just released newsletter.
		And I read that and kind of freaked out a little bit.
		And then within hours, I got a call confirming that two Hopi elders who have never done any broadcast anywhere and probably never would want very, very much to come on the air.
		They felt that what they were seeing was so close, so close in, time-wise, time frame-wise, that they no longer had any choice and their conscience dictated that they had to go public.
		And they're scheduled to come on the air on the 15th.
		And they think big changes are coming in July.
		And so I read your newsletter, and I said something I can't repeat here on the air.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And that's when I thought, boy, we better get you on the air.
		As we get closer to events, like when I saw the three visions, the person would come back and the colors of those visions might change.
		And eventually I might only see two screens instead of three, telling me that they've eliminated that possibility.
		And so I also noticed that as we get closer to events, the time stream that we're seeing, you know, in 1982, you know, I made some little bold predictions based on what I saw.
		You know, I predicted this, what was going to happen in Russia and the Berlin Wall and several other things.
		And I also, back in 82, said that as we enter the 90s, we're going to see the Earth massive weather changes, volcanoes going off, earthquakes, and it was just going to accelerate.
		That was a long time stream, but I saw it in a big block of years.
		As we get closer, we can define years from maybe 20 years down to a couple of years.
		As we get within the year of a particular event, we can now start to define that a lot tighter because the probability of that event is either getting stronger or weaker.
		And we can then look at it and say, this is what happens.
		We can now start to see it.
		In my particular case, I saw the Ring of Fire, which is a section of the world that goes around the world where the plate tectonics meet, and it's where we see most of the world's volcanoes occurring.
		And, of course, the west coast of California is all part of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The Aleutians and South America, so that's where we see all these events continuously happening.
		And I saw fireworks.
		I saw the Ring of Fire.
		I saw volcanoes going off.
		And then I saw fireworks.
		It was like a...
		And I knew immediately it was like July.
		You know, so that was one of those little images that said...
		And, of course, the west coast of California is all part of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The Aleutians and South America.
		So that's where we see all these events continuously happening.
		And I saw fireworks.
		I saw the Ring of Fire.
		I saw volcanoes going off.
		And then I saw fireworks.
		It was like a...
		And I knew immediately it was like July.
		You know, so that was one of those little images that said, I think that in July it's going to begin.
		In other words, you're going to start to see a major acceleration in July.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some things, Gordon, already have begun.
		As you...
		Since we last spoke, there has been a easily discernible and I think profound change in the weather.
		I mean, it's really changed.
		I used to say that I thought the weather was going to change and permanently so and profoundly and people would laugh.
		Today they're not laughing.
		NBC, as a matter of fact, had a lead story, not this last night but the night before, saying exactly that.
		That the weather they now believe is changing and, as far as we're concerned, permanently.
		We've had the jet stream actually come down and touch the ground using winds of 130 miles an hour.
		I don't have to document all the changes that have been occurring recently, but the weather recently has been really, really just completely atypical.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it's all part of the trigger that's causing all this, which has not been, unfortunately, has not been addressed by any country, let alone ours.
		And that is that, you know, currently the word had been that El Nino, the cyclic condition was causing this.
		And what I've been reporting for over, well over 15 years is that the weather patterns, or El Nino and others, are not caused by winds that simply change their conditions based on the time of the year.
		It's really driven by tectonic movement, volcanism, undersea volcanism in particular, and it triggers into activity by certain alignments, in particular with Mars and Uranus.
		When those planets are in a particular configuration, we get the trigger possibilities.
		And if this tectonic system is stressed, then we get this release.
		All of this is in turn part of this destiny, if you will, of the Earth and the Sun, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The volcanism has been increasing as well.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The volcanism, we have several things that just are new.
		I mean, we've had extremely deep earthquakes, you know, 500 plus kilometer earthquakes.
		I mean, very deep.
		We've had major volcanism going off, you know, South America.
		Mount St. Helens right now has gotten, you know, is going through its swarms of earthquakes again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know about that.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Mammoth Lakes is active again.
		And as you recall, 5.1.
		The Mammoth Lakes area would become a volcano.
		Yeah.
		And it looks like, you know, we're moving that direction.
		So we're seeing everything is heating up.
		It's heating up.
		And what the overall driving force behind all of these changes and the weather, and the fact that it will be the norm now, rather than the exception of weather changes, is that there is a major change going on in the Sun.
		The Sun's magnetic field is being altered as part of this grand cycle destiny, if you will, that I was talking about.
		That, in turn, induces a change into the Earth.
		And so the Earth's magnetic field is beginning to prepare for a change as well.
		The Earth and the Sun talk to each other magnetically.
		You can't alter one without affecting the other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mm-hmm.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		You know, sunspots and solar storms and things of that nature are really derived or generated by what we do on Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you, have you, have you, you're a ham, I'm a ham.
		Have you been watching, you know, we're in the Ascension portion now of Cycle 20, 23 yep and boy are you ever right we've got a lot of links up to what's going on in the sun and there's some really bizarre stuff CNN earlier today was running a story about this incredible ejector from the sun that just occurred and been occurring on a regular basis along with a lot of X-class events.
		Some of the photographs of the sun, the X-ray emissions from the Sun, are incredible.
		Absolutely incredible.
		You're right.
		Absolutely correct.
		Something's going on on the Sun.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		We also have two satellites parked up here, Soho and another one, that are constantly looking at the Sun.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		So we're getting instrumentation and data that we didn't have 20, 30 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		That we can look at this thing as well as looking at some earth-bound scopes.
		But now we can measure, we can see things.
		We can see something that they have on the sun called solar earthquakes, which is now a new thing.
		We're looking at something that we just didn't focus on before, that something's going on on the sun.
		That, of course, like I said, induces these changes into the earth.
		And this really began in a significant way in the 30s.
		And then again in the late 80s, there was another eruption.
		So it goes in stages.
		In July, I believe we're going to see another major spring of the pot.
		And I would only expect that the kind of things that we're going to see is a major release in the ring of fire of multiple volcanoes going off.
		Multiple.
		At any given time, there are many volcanoes in some stage of activity.
		Aetna, for example, now in Italy is rumbling.
		And there are many other volcanoes that are coming to life.
		But we're going to see that in mass.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mount Poco in Mexico, a Central American volcano went off the other day.
		A volcanism in Japan is on the increase.
		As you pointed out, Mount St. Helens is rumbling.
		Now, maybe you can explain to me why it is that volcanism appears to be the simple mind draws a picture, I do, that somewhere down in the earth, all of this is connected and all of this activity is beginning simultaneously for some reason.
		What's going on down there?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, the land we sit on, the crust, is not very thick.
		You know, it's a 30 kilometer or so kind of a shell.
		It's like an egg.
		And we're walking on the shell of the egg here.
		And then as we get down to various layers, we start to get to what we call the more familiar magma.
		And any time magma is displaced, and this magma moves like rivers.
		And many sensitive people in dowsers can actually track the movement of this magma.
		But when you see a volcano going off, an event going off someplace, my visions have shown that that can be connected thousands of miles away to another vent.
		So what you see is simultaneously you'll see volcanoes go off in opposite sides of the world, always in the same stress area.
		So matter kind of finds its way up to the surface wherever it can.
		Now in the ocean, we've discovered this past decade that most of the volcanoes are not above ground, they're in the ocean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And of course, this is what heats the water.
		I mean, in order to heat the water temperature for this last El Niño of excess of 12 degrees in some areas, you just can't believe the news that's stating that this is due to the winds changing its direction.
		I mean, to heat up that water is larger than the United States in area that heated up itself.
		That kind of heat can only be generated by a large cooker, and that cooker is multiple vents in the ocean.
		And the ocean is easier to access magma than it is from land.
		The distance and the thickness is different.
		So it's easier for the release of heat.
		So from the inner portion of the Earth, heat is constantly being dissipated out and out soon eventually into the atmosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now that would make sense.
		In other words, at sea level, and then you have the ocean, and then you have very great depths.
		Indeed, so you're correct.
		That would be a lot closer to the magma.
		That makes sense.
unidentified		Right.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Now, the key thing is, what is causing the magma to stir?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		You know, what is displacing the balance of the Earth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And is this a cycle?
		Now, we know, for example, by taking ice core samples and dis-core samples and measuring the magma types in these samples, we know that the Earth's magnetic field changes, and in many cases, perhaps thousands of cases, it reverses its direction.
		And it seems to occur on a cycle of about 10,000 to 12,000 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A pole reversal.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		A magnetic pole reversal, which can be 180 degrees magnetically.
		So your compass would just, you know, by today's standards, would just spin around the opposite direction.
		So that with the poles shift, the Earth doesn't flip, but the magnetic poles shift, it's polarity.
		Just like if you're playing with the two little magnets you used to have in your ice box, the little Scotty dogs, the black dogs.
		You push them together, and one way attracts, one way repels.
		And so it's the same kind of a philosophy.
unidentified		It flips.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Now, when that happens in the past, we know the last one was about 12,000 years ago during the time period of the mythical thinking of Atlantis, according to Plato's work.
		Now, so here it is.
		It's the 12,000-year period since the last one that we know.
		What my visions have shown is that the center core of the Earth is a very intense plasma.
		It is, and it is contained in an incredible magnetic envelope.
		So it's like a bubble in the center of the Earth that has this plasma.
		And then as you move up from the boundaries, you have magma of different levels, different intensity.
		Now, this, if you upset the center of the Earth, at the center core of the Earth, get to the point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gordon, we're here at the bottom of the hour.
		Hold that, and we'll come right back to that point.
		Oh, me too.
unidentified		Oh, me too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gordon, you were talking about plasma and magma within the Earth, and apparently you believe that this is affected in cycle by the Sun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that roughly correct?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		I believe just as the Earth has its seasons, and we also go through various changes throughout the millennium, the Sun does too.
		The sun has its seasons and it has its cycles.
		And those cycles at certain points in their passage, certain years, millennium, become pronounced.
		It's kind of like a pendulum.
		The way I like to explain it is that you can imagine like a grandfather's clock.
		And if you can imagine that the grandfather's clock, that long pendulum, is the sun or the earth.
		And it swings up to its farthest point, and then momentum will bring it back, and it swings to the opposite direction.
		And if you could see those as polarities, then you can kind of get an understanding of what is going on now.
		It's like the sun and the earth and our planets and our solar system are moving through the heavens, literally meeting destiny.
		You know, it's a cycle.
		It is a cycle, and cycles will happen whether we're on the planet or not on the planet.
		However, we can either add to the cycle or we can take away from the cycle.
		We have an input into the cycle of how it performs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What precisely, Gordon, do you see for July?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you see happening?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The things that I saw leading up to July were probably just as important as July and August and September.
		There's a window here of about three months.
		And in June, which we've just entered into, the things that I had stated in the newsletter was that we would begin to see volcanoes come alive.
		We would start to see more weather erraticness, even though the reports would be that El Nino is moving through its cycle, and we would still see this massive weather pattern changes, and we would see winds everywhere.
		Tornadoes would occur, and of course, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did you write this?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The predictions for over a year ago for this particular time period, for the, you know, so in January of the year, in December of last year, I made predictions about May 88th.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's right.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Very specifically, when I started talking about July, that would have been written around May 2nd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On May 2nd.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And then it goes to a printer on the 13th of May.
		So the copyright date is the 13th.
		When it leaves my hands, and the printer has it on the press, that's the official copyright date.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, all of these things have already manifested.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we're in the middle of them right now.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It has begun, and it will increase the things that, you know, as we get closer to July and we get closer to mid-July August, hopefully I'll see more stuff, and then I'll post that on my website, or I'll have it in a special edition of our newsletter.
		But there's two areas here in North America that I'm most concerned about.
		I think we're going to have, for example, a much funnier hurricane season that will be devastating.
		Land-based hurricanes, which I've been predicting for over five years, that the hurricanes would become more land-based.
		I can remember CMN in the Reddit Channel last year of just watching the storms coming to the West Coast one after another, like a freight train.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And then several years ago, we saw the same thing happening over coming off of Africa, went to the States.
		We're going to see more landfall, hurricanes, more tornadoes.
		That's going to be significant.
		It's going to increase in July exponentially.
		Hard to even forget the numbers.
		I just see water and wind everywhere.
		And then there's two areas that I'm really concerned about that need to be watched and people need to, I think, listen to their own intuition and their own common sense and prepare accordingly.
		And that is the West Coast in particular, California, because that's, again, part of the ring of fire, and the area of Long Island in New York City, another area that really needs to be watched.
		I believe that the tectonic plates are going to actually shift sometime this year, and probably the beginning portions of it will occur in July.
		You know, it'll begin to shutter first.
		So we're going to see some warning stuff.
		If we see quakes in Manhattan, Long Island, Connecticut of the range of four to five, which obviously are not current, then those should be seen as a warning sign.
		And I think we'll see multiple ones of those, kind of like a little swarming.
		And then the west coast, the entire west coast, everything from Vancouver, British Columbia, all the way down to the Baja, I see that being incredibly stressed.
		And then the third area, which is kind of like a part of where you are, that is if you look at your map and you look at the Great Salt Lake itself.
		And so that would be west of Salt Lake City.
		If you drew a line from that region, like Salt Lake City was at one point, and you drew a line to Bakersfield and carry that line out to the ocean, just a straight line there, along that line, I think we're going to see major activity.
		I would fully expect that Mammoth Lake area is going to heat up and we're going to literally start to see some venting that's going to occur in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, within the last 48 hours, we had a 5.1 at Mammoth.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I saw the report that came through.
		In 93, we began, one of our warnings, long-term warnings, was to watch for Mammoth Lakes for any kind of swollen earthquakes and heating.
		And so we've been watching that very carefully.
		We also said to watch for Etna and also watch the Caribbean Islands.
		If you see volcanic activity in Etna and the Caribbean Islands, because I believe they're connected together, then that was, to me, was the final warning sign.
		Of course, we have had that situation.
		You know, Surat is devastated.
		Etna has been in a state of activity for years, but there's indications now that we're seeing some new stuff happening there.
		All the warning signs that I had published in the Earth Changes Report or in my book, Notes from the Cosmos, those things are now happening.
		In other words, I was given this information that took me up to the year 98.
		Then, at that point, it was the information I received only fine-tuned that.
		Because it was like, okay, once you get into this period of three years, the unfoldment will occur and it will depend upon how people act of how big it would be.
		So it's like I've seen a movie, I know the ending, but I also know that it's interactive media.
		I can somehow modify the ending somewhat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How inevitable now, I mean, we're very close, obviously, to these changes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How inevitable are they?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The changes will occur, in my opinion.
		Again, it's part of the destiny of the Earth.
		If we take ourselves out of it and just look at the Earth and the planets, going through cycles, and just look at it from that perspective, we tend to want to, as a human race, we tend to want to control everything.
		We like to believe that we can control the weather, and in many cases, that is totally possible.
		We can do it, but at what cost?
		In other words, when you're taking a cycle of a sentient being and you're modifying it, do you negate it?
		Or does that energy then shift some other place?
		Does it then become worse?
		You know, rather than respecting the land, respecting technology, you know, stop beating microwave energies into the atmosphere, stop detonating nuclear bombs.
		You know, really interesting to hear from Pakistan and India fired off a whole series of atomic bombs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Now, what I found really interesting is the earthquake activity that occurred right afterwards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Afghanistan, I found it interesting too, and I also found it very interesting that none of the American media, none of them, Gordon, commented on the correlation between the Pakistani series and the quake in Afghanistan.
		Nobody said a word.
		Well, it's not a popular thing.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we're more interested, you know, in a film opera than we are interested in taking control and command of our life, our family, our cities.
		You know, we're fixed on anything that takes us away from ourselves.
		Because if we have to stop and really look at what we're doing and how we're each part of it, then we have to take some kind of action.
		You know, we are responsible collectively and individually for everything that's going on.
		And while we can look at and face blame on governments and right wings and left wings, et cetera, we really still have to look into it with what we can do individually.
		You know, we can do the community.
		Are you part of the process in the community for elected officials?
		Are you aware of the school?
		Are you active in your school with your children?
		These things are the greatest thing I've seen to bring about change.
		And I think in the end, while it is inevitable, in my opinion, that these things will occur, many communities, I think, will fare fairly well through these changes.
		And we're going to find that, I mean, we have files, literally, literally tens of thousands of letters of people who have moved.
		I have several people from Japan.
		We have a very large audience in Japan.
		And also people who moved to North Virginia who moved out of there just prior.
		That exposes something that I have said, but their own dreams and intuition said, get out.
		You know, you have to listen within.
		If the inner voice within you says, none of this is true, it's not going to happen, then you need to follow whatever that is.
		However, if it also says, I should prepare, I can do some basic things, do some self-sufficiency, some survival things, I can rethink things, then I think, regardless of what happens, you're going to be at the right place at the right time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When I asked you how inevitable, if we go back to the screens that you see, when you began to look at the near-term changes, when they began to seem very near-term, as in beginning in July, how definitive were the pictures you were getting?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		That was hoping you were looking at that one tonight.
		Each December, I do a special meditation with family and sometimes some friends for predictions for the upcoming year.
		It's a very deep trance state.
		As you know, I'm limited to my own physical strength these days, and so I have to kind of take it easy.
		But at that time, one of the questions that was asked to me was, what did the screen show?
		And the response that came back from one of my guides was that that it now unfolds.
		And that there are many other things in there that could be done, should be done.
		But always bringing it back to community.
		And basically, I see one screen now, only one screen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		One.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that screen shows what?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		it shows the earth pretty much as the map that you have in your possession there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do indeed.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		You have them at your hot tub, I think, if I remember correctly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How'd you know that?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		You told me.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Did I tell you that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I can't take credit for a future sting of that.
		You told me.
		But that is really close to it.
		The variables in there will be the exact positions of the coastlines.
		I mean, we will lose up to pretty close to a third of the United States land mass.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this going to be, as the result, I mean, the weather, the wind, the tornadoes, the hurricanes, the earthquakes, all of this is occurring, but what you're describing would take probably a pole shift to accomplish.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, New.
		Again, New, you're right on.
		Let me just read a very short paragraph from Melchior Cosmos, my book, which kind of summarizes your question, or your question.
		Sure.
		This was came to me in 1987 on the first edition of this book, which when I first released it was, I did the same thing.
		I did 100 copies of it and sent it to various editors, publishers, and friends.
		The response was so negative that I threw it in a drawer and said, why did I spend a year writing this?
		Nobody was willing to hear.
		None of these things were happening at that time.
		Then of course, about seven months ago, we released it because the questions were just so much, so much was happening, and I wanted to answer all the questions that people had been calling and writing me for years.
		Anyways, this is the paragraph that my dream teacher or my guide asked me when I was thinking about doing the Earth Changes report, when I was thinking about Earth changes at the time, I was seeing these visions and I wanted to know, I went to bed that night and saying, why am I seeing these things?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's a response.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		A magnetic pole shift is already underway.
		It began in the mid-1930s as a result of a shift in the position of the Earth's core relative to the pole star, which would be Polaris currently.
		Just as earthquakes and volcanoes are caused by electromagnetic forces, they're all pole shifts.
		Great tectonic movement is only a reaction to these forces.
		What you have seen in your visions can aid the many.
		Others shall come forward now to increase awareness.
		Here's your hope, you friends, coming forward to you.
		Increase awareness of the coming procession and the solar cycle and the beginning of a new age.
		This is to be a millennium of peace and greater light for all, and yet, as has been indicated to you often, if community is born anew, if there is a spiritual ideal for each entity, if an intuition is followed by each, then indeed such a cataclysm as you have witnessed can be lessened.
		I responded to my guide, I said, well, can it be eliminated?
		Response was, all things are possible.
		You have witnessed the most probable future earth.
		Whether it comes to pass depends upon the people.
		We are the people now.
		So that passage from Lot and the Cosmos was the impetus for me to eventually release the information that I had had for years, but was afraid to.
		And it is directly related to a pole shift, that this was saying had already begun and that it would manifest itself in 98 in very significant ways.
		In other words, we would literally know that this is going on.
		It is my belief through my home conversations with people at JPL and NASA and other people who quietly call me who are working on the FOTHOL project and others.
		From what they're telling me is that it is known that there are magnetic changes in the sun and the earth currently going on, and they're studying it.
		That's the response.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all they're saying.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had a message earlier today.
		It says the Goes 8 and 9 spacecraft solar electron flux levels are currently going totally off scale.
		Something is brewing on the sun.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The thing that I saw when I wrote my July issue and most of my summer concerns was that I saw the poles at the sun starting to decay.
		Now currently, the magnetic field of the Earth has been in a constant state of decay.
		It's part of its, again, as part of a normal cycle.
		But usually what's happened in the past is what has decayed is like getting ready to flip in new directions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now when you say flip, there's very little or no disagreement in the scientific community that pole reversals take place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it your view that they take place when that final moment comes nearly instantaneously, or is it a longer period of time?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I think much of it depends upon the particular energies that plague the cycle.
		For example, about every 12,000 years we have some kind of a magnetic shift.
		So it's like the stresses are in place.
		How the Earth responds can vary.
		I mean, in the past, I think ice was responsible for a pole shift, not necessarily just a magnetic pole shift, but an actual geocentric shift.
		In this particular case, I do not see the magnetic poles shifting 180 degrees either rapidly or slowly.
		What I do see is a series of jerks.
		It's like a pressure revealed from the sun to cause a reaction.
		If the Earth's core and its field and its tectonic system can shift and move to release this stress and strain so that a new field can be established.
		It won't flip 180 degrees.
		My visions, in fact, have shown that it's going to go in a series of six or seven degree jerks, three of them, moving westerly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		On that note, we have to move westerly.
		Hold on, Gordon.
		Gordon Michael Scallion is my guest.
		We will be right back.
		Gordon, you've said that there'll be a series of three, perhaps, magnetic shifts of six degrees or so.
		As this occurs, the average guy and gal out there wants to know how that's going to affect me.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It will be planetarily.
		You cannot make a change even fractionally in the magnetic field without, you know, we've seen the fractional change is what's causing all these problems right now.
		And all that is basically, you know, a fraction of a degree that's already shifted.
		When you get a big jolt of six or seven degrees, the kind of things that will happen is that just prior to that, things will get quiet for a while.
		I mean, you'll see a period of increased activity, increased activity, and then it will just die off.
		That the volcano will come into life, and all of a sudden it just draws back.
		Then you'll see winds.
		Winds will start picking up.
		You'll see massive changes.
		The biggest changes that I see and the biggest concerns are weather-related changes.
		You immediately change the jet strains.
		You're going to immediately change ground temperatures.
		It's going to shift and you're going to have maybe a new ecosystem.
		So regardless of where you are on the planet, these effects are going to occur.
		Besides the winds and the erratic weather, these changes may be very abrupt.
		There'll be one, and then there may be a period of several weeks or months before the second one, and then the third one will occur.
		And I see these occurring within a period of about three years between 98 and 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are they abrupt?
		Each of them, are they abrupt?
		They are.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		They are abrupt.
		The beginnings of those, I believe, occurred in the 30s, and then I believe it occurred again in the late 80s, and I believe it occurred again in the mid-90s.
		But I think we've seen three very small shifts, jolts, I would call them, and then a quiet time period, and now it's getting prepared to do, I think, its first jolt, which again will occur sometime within a three-year window.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And when this comes, there will be high winds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There will be volcanic action, I guess, there will be tectonic movement.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		Tectonic movement, as I just read from notes in the cosmos, is directed by magnetic forces.
		Electromagnetic forces is what is the driving force.
		And all of this in turn affects the basic elements, earth, air, water, fire.
		And when those things are put out of proportion in any fashion, any one of them, you then increase pressures and then have counterplates move.
		And so you're going to, and of course anywhere in the world where there is stress, you get it.
		And of course, most of our populations are on coastal areas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And so you're going to see it.
		And most people in eastern United States tend to think of it easily out on the west coast.
		It's not going to bother me here in Texas or nothing bothering me here in New York.
		And yet, that's not at all what I'm seeing.
		I'm just seeing that it occurs first on the west coast because it's the most stressed area.
		But it will affect the East Coast as well as other continents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you must have looked at your own situation, selfishly at least.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		New Hampshire.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would like very much to tell you, and you're listening, that I made this conscious decision years ago as a result of what I saw.
		Unfortunately, as I stated in my book, that's not what happened.
		I had a series of dreams that showed me a map and told me to go up to this specific area.
		Didn't say why.
		He just said, you need to go to this area.
		And I didn't pay any attention to it.
		And then it just repeated itself.
		And finally, I drove up.
		And basically, I've always lived in a city.
		And rural life was not something that was part of my plan.
		And my plan was to be on the water always.
		And after I looked at it and I said, no, this is not for me.
		This is way too isolated.
		And then, you know, it just, it never stopped.
		The dreams were, at least once, if not twice a week.
		After about a year, we found that things in our lives had changed and we needed to move.
		And so I said, well, this is a perfect opportunity to go back to the Gulf Coast of Florida and live.
		Even though I had that experience where I still felt good in the sun and I enjoyed the salt water and I enjoyed sailing and I wanted to go back with my family.
		And doors just weren't open to me.
		And then finally, in desperation, we let go of their house.
		And in desperation, we went back up here and drove by a place.
		And all of a sudden, I found myself turning up this driveway, not knowing why.
		And Pusha came out, and I said, do you know any land or property for sale?
		He says, yeah.
		He said, what place is?
		And so looking back with hindsight now, I could see the reasons why.
		This helped me learn about community, self-sufficiency, gardening.
		It led me to live the things that I would, in the future, be talking about.
		Instead of just talking about, I actually live these things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you and I did a show previously, you said you saw on the West Coast visions of shattered glass.
		You saw thousands or millions of refugees coming from California over the mountains.
		Does that vision remain the same?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's and even non-visual sense if we just look at recent occurrences that have occurred in cities.
		We can see what happens when the ground shakes.
		You can get a building to sway if you've engineered it correctly, like in Japan and some of the new constructions on the west coast, that you can paint a force, you know, six, seven, or even eight earthquake.
		Though the quakes I see are going to be 10, 12, 15 in the future.
		But when these buildings start swaying and you get winds that rip up 2,200 miles an hour, you're going to see these glass paints popping out.
		And I would see them in the streets, they would fill up the streets, and you couldn't, it would bury cars and shattered glass.
		And then I saw caravans of cars, lights on, at night, heading over the desert, up in California, into what I call tent cities, established on the border of California in Nevada.
		And there were just streams of traffic on the highways.
		And tents set up by, you know, it was like the military was vanning huge tents, you know, thousands of tents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this likely to begin to occur with the first shift?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It'll occur, there'll be some major shaking quakes that will occur first.
		And more than likely, it will begin this summer, at least the quakes will begin this summer.
		The actual date of the shift, I'll have to wait until I get something that's more definitive.
		I just know the window of it.
		But I'm quite certain that we're going to see major quakes, things that are going to be greater than seven, in the United States this summer.
		So I think we'll start to see a piece of this pattern occurring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With the exception of what occurred just the other day at Mammoth, it's been eerily quiet.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		You know, frankly, you know, the earth is breathing.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It's like, you know, if you ever watch a volcano erupting, you know, first you get the swarms of colours, ground eating, and if you watch the movies of Mount St. Helen, you can actually see it bulging out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And once it begins, you can make some predictions scientifically.
		You can say, well, I think it'll release in this area and this.
		You know, you think certain things will happen.
		But you still don't know exactly when.
		You just know the mechanisms are there visibly to see what's going on.
		And then things let go.
		Even that kind of a pattern, but I think last December it began.
		I think we talked about it last year, and I said, watch for cellar activity first that I thought would occur in December.
		And we did have some massive flares.
		That was the start.
		That's what actually began.
		When that thing happened, I said, all right.
		And when I looked, and I didn't see those screens any longer, I said, it's begun.
		So the official date for me was November, December of 97, when the unfoldment of this cycle really began.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's a question for you that I don't know that I've ever asked you before.
		We're beginning to now get some pretty good scientific indications of what's going on.
		Now, there has been no announcement, but at some point, do you think that our government will become aware, certainly they're looking at the sun carefully now, they're seeing these changes, they're seeing the weather changes, and they must privately be concluding some things now.
		And I wonder if at any point you would imagine an official announcement from our government?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I don't think we're going to see that.
		I think in many circles, both inner and in the defense industry, that so much is known.
		I mean, when you consider the ramifications of, even if what I'm saying, even a small portion of what I'm saying happened, it would alter the economy of the world.
		Of course.
		And so, you know, even before we get to poll shifts, if we just talk about massive weather changes, the insurance industry would go broke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's already occurring, Gordon.
		I just got a fact earlier tonight from somebody.
		I find the darn thing, I read it.
		Their insurance company just notified them that their wind coverage...
		Art, just today, we received a letter from our insurance company which basically said that they are changing our wind coverage and deductible.
		Of course, this is advertised to be to our advantage, but when you read the fine print, it's not.
		Art, they know what's going to occur.
		They're preparing for it, leaving us to fend for ourselves.
		What Gordon mentioned in September about insurance being unable to provide the coverage is already beginning to happen.
		It just happened to me.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've like you, we get a lot of correspondence and facts and email on people's experiences.
		I can only, you know, one of the things that I recommended a year ago is is is getting secondary insurance with a secondary carrier.
		Uh lots of times you can actually insure the insurance.
		Um so if in my own case I have a I have a very major carrier, you know, I have a an international carrier and I also have a secondary smaller carrier.
		Um you know all things happen, it won't matter.
		I mean the worst case scenario is that it just doesn't matter.
		You know, people just don't pay mortgages and everything kind of stops.
		We're talking here about cataclysmic kind of events.
		But I think that in the early stages at least, that insurances are still great, but I recommend that people back it up, especially if anybody's on the coastal areas.
		At the most, it buys people time, it gives people hope.
		And anytime you go through some kind of experience on that, whether it's, I mean, we heard about earthquakes and volcanoes, but we still have cancer that we haven't cured yet, and we have AIDS, and we have car accidents, and rumors, you know, so we have a lot of things that take life and place stress in our life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we still have to live it one day at a time, too.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And the thing that we carry with us each day is our own spiritual essence.
		And that's the place to put the energy is into how you can work with your family, work with your community, do the best you can, and realize that each and every person came in with a gift.
		And whatever that gift is, you need to use it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ultimately, if all these changes occur, where I am located, I'm about 20 miles from Death Valley.
		Tell you something interesting, Gordon.
		We haven't had a summer yet.
		Death Valley, as you know, during summer, should be rising to, we should be way over 100 right now.
		We've had a lot of days where we don't break 70, and we're still not.
		It might be crawling just above that now.
		But we haven't had summer yet.
		Something's really strange out here.
		And I'm wondering about my own little area, selfishly asking, when all these changes occur, what does my area look like?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think I told you during a break in the last time we're on the air, but I actually had a vision when we were talking.
		And I asked to talk to you during the break because I thought it was confidential.
		And I feel and you unselfishly shared it with your audience.
		And that was what I saw initially you live with each day is our own spiritual essence.
		And that's the place to put the energy is into how you can work with your family, work with your community, do the best you can, and realize that each and every person came in with a gift.
		And whatever that gift is, you need to use it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ultimately, if all these changes occur, where I am located, I'm about 20 miles from Death Valley.
		I'll tell you something interesting, Gordon.
		We haven't had a summer yet.
		Death Valley, as you know, during the summer, should be rising to, we should be way over 100 right now.
		We've had a lot of days where we don't break 70, and we're still not.
		It might be crawling just above that now.
		But we haven't had summer yet.
		Something's really strange out here.
		I'm wondering about my own little area, selfishly asking, when all these changes occur, what does my area look like?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think I told you during a break, and our last time we're on the area, I actually had a vision when we were talking.
		And I asked to talk about it during the break because I thought it was confidential and I feel and you unselfishly shared it with your audience.
		And that was what I saw initially you and your network, your radio network, giving people a lot of support and hope.
		And the kind of thing the hand radio operators do during disasters, you both have done.
		I thought you were doing it on a very large scale.
		But eventually, I saw you out of there.
		I saw you more in the middle of the country.
		But initially, you stayed until probably the last minute as long as you could.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's probably what I would do.
		I would stay for as long as I possibly could.
		And I'm not even sure then that I would leave.
		I don't know.
		I've thought a lot about that, and I'm not exactly sure what I would do.
		I would certainly stay here and help as much as I could.
		We had a hurricane that raged up the East Coast, hit Virginia.
		We talked to a lot of people through the night and that one.
		It was terrible.
		We talked to a lot of people who were frozen in Chicago this last winter, stuck on the freeway.
		So I've done a lot of that kind of thing.
		And I would do it.
		Of course I would do it.
		I mean, that's one of the reasons that I'm here, I'm sure.
		How long I would hang in there, I'm not sure about that part.
		Probably as long as I possibly could, and then maybe survival instincts would take over, and I'd move.
		But ultimately, I would have to move or I wouldn't be here, is what you're saying, right?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the hour, and we'll be right back.
		Gordon Michael Scallion is my guest.
		Do you hear echoes of what you've heard from other guests?
		I sure do.
		Really loud ones.
		I'm Mark Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AF.
		Now, Gordon, pretty specific stuff like, please ask Gordon what he feels are the effects of the electromagnetic pulse associated with atomic testing on the planet as a whole and their effects on the upcoming Earth changes.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Anything that we do to alter the elements, and again, the elements are Earth, air, wind, fire, anything we do to change those upsets the balance in the earth and will accelerate activities.
		Electromagnetically, there are so many sensitives out there who are able to tell when an earthquake is going to happen or when a volcano is going to go off.
		We used to hear more about this about people with weather.
		Their bunions would hurt or they'd get migraines.
		They always knew when a storm was coming.
		Now we're seeing that more and more people are becoming sensitive to electromagnetic changes and electromagnetic pollution.
		The nuclear blast sends shockwaves out.
		And what we're looking at is imagine the Earth in space kind of being suspended on a string, like a top, you know.
		And imagine if you hit it slightly, ever so slightly, it's going to echo and vibrate through.
		And what happens is these nuclear blasts, whether they're underground or above ground, they are clearly more destructive to the internal core when they're underground versus above ground.
		Above ground alters the elements of air, whereas the underground blasts alters the elements of earth and also water and fire.
		So these shock waves go down, and these shock waves echo just like a bell might echo, a Tibetan bell, or a gong might echo.
		And the effects of those are those waves will travel out, and anywhere there's any stressed areas that are building, it intersects it, and it adds to it.
		It's almost like a weapon.
		In fact, it was created as a weapon, and that's exactly what it's doing.
		It's becoming an earth change weapon.
		We can do the same thing by focusing energy into the ionosphere, for example, or the atmosphere, and using other kinds of radiation.
		Or we can do above-ground nuclear explosions.
		All of these things cause and amplify earth changes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you know that recently the Russians boasted that they could create cyclones, and they made an official offer in Southeast Asia to create a cyclone, to actually create one to put out the fires?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They claimed they could do this, and they have the technology in place with the satellites right now.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		My vision and also my sources, and I consider a source to be anybody who repeatedly has bodied information that's credible and you can validate it in certain scientific and development areas.
		That's old technology.
		What they're offering is real old.
		We've had that technology for a long time, back to the 40s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But we could not have attained that technology without testing it.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		There's never been a weapon that has not been tested and used.
		Just it hasn't been.
		And of course, the money flows into the defense offers, and that's where it always has been.
		And so these devices are tested in some fashions.
		When we see craft in the sky, we say, well, UFOs, maybe.
		I also say, maybe also, it's something that we've created.
		So both things I know are valid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's a blatant question for you.
		Gordon, when will the West Coast go underwater?
		Will there be any warning?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The warnings have already been given.
		Before the water actually comes and the coastline gets changed, and California becomes what I call it in my book, The Isles of California, about 150 of them, before those happen, the major cities,
		you know, San Francisco, L.A. and San Diego and Bala Baja, those things get shaken, you know, literally to the point where it's like watching a movie, you know, to escape to L.A. or New York.
		It looks like that in my vision.
		So those things occur shortly before the water comes in.
		Water and inundations may actually occur in that line from Salt Lake to Bakersfield as well.
		We may see water being displaced as land masses shift before that.
		But the things are that the next quakes that are going to come are going to be big ones.
		The warning signs of the smaller ones, the ones that we predicted, such as North Ridge and others, those have already occurred.
		So that's where we expect now that the next ones will be the big ones.
		And by big ones, the ones that are at the centers are right in the cities of LA and San Francisco and San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's the West Coast.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And that will occur first.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It could have a three-year window for these things to occur, 98 to 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then somebody asks, but does Gordon foresee this danger for all of the Northeast?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, Boston, as he does for New York?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The first one that I have seen is actually in the New York area, New York, Connecticut.
		That's the first one that I've seen.
		It's a massive shift.
		And something's new for this summer in that area, whether it's weather lease at that time or the warning.
		But I'm very concerned about that.
		But the East Coast has, like Boston, Boston and Philadelphia, a few people know about it, have had incredibly massive earthquakes in the past, 100 years ago.
		It's like in New Madrid, you know.
		But the populations were very low then.
		And we weren't building our skyscrapers and homes on landfill.
		Things were different then.
		And even so, those were massive earthquakes back then, A-plus range.
		So we will see tectonic movement that will affect, you know, if we take a line, for example, and drew a line from New Brunswick and flung that line from New Brunswick down to, you know, somewhere around Augusta, Georgia, you know, just drew a general line along that path.
		Along that path, we're going to see a lot of land mass changes in water.
		Generally, if you're on the water or close to the water, you're at high risk.
		I mean, you just watch the hurricanes, and you can see that happening in floods, which are coming too very soon, by the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about our central land masses?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the middle of the country?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The middle of the country fares fairly well.
		You know, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, most of Texas, you know, New Mexico, the central portion, you know, Montana, southern Canada, those do not change.
		I mean, they go through effects, but as far as massive landmass changes, where you see, you know, land sinking and water levels rising, I don't see those in the air.
		I mean, I see Earth movement, so you can't move a tectonic plate without shuttering the whole planet.
		And so, you know, when these things happen, you won't be able to stand wherever you are on this planet.
		You will fall to your knees when the shuttering plate is.
		It's the shuttering effect, even though the event may be affecting you 1,000 or 5,000 or 10,000 miles away.
		But the central portions do a lot better.
		And then there's a lot of portions in between where the new Mississippi will be and the east coast.
		There's a lot of area in there.
		You know, the easiest thing that I was able to do was to create a map of it.
		And you can see it.
		I think it's probably a good idea to give my website address because I have the map on there.
		You can actually go in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can see the map?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And you can see the map.
		And you can click on the continent.
		So wherever your callers are, if they're in North America or the Caribbean or wherever you are in the world, you can click on it and it will pull up that section and you can get an idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we're going to get that link up right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It's earthchanges.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's clear.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		EarthChanges.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And how do you get to the area where the map is?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		On the homepage, there's a little navigation button that says Future Maps.
		You click on Future Maps, and it'll take you there.
		There's another button you can click on for any updates, anything that I think is important that people need to know about, they can click on that.
		It's called Bulletins.
		There's also daily Earth Changes events.
		What we're doing is we have researchers around the world who feed us data.
		We then verify every piece of data through USGS or any other government agency or private agencies.
		Once we confirm an event, we post that and then I comment on it when I think it's appropriate so that I'm kind of like the weather person, kind of like what you've done in the past in emergencies, things you just talked about.
		And so I kind of fine-tune that.
		And people have to go in there and read excerpts from the book if they're interested in learning more about my background.
		But primarily with the website is to update the map and to keep people posted.
		And then if people want a five-foot version of the map, which gives us the farm details, they can always find it through that same site.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We also have a link up right now to matrixinstitute.com.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've got, I guess, a...
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And the reason we were forced to do that is that we found that people who were creating the web pages and claimed them they were us.
		And so we had to spend about three months with getting web dividers to get those people off the sites and then took progressions with us.
		So people can get there from my name.
		They can get there from the newsletter's name.
		Then our institute's name.
		EarthChanges.com is the primary site, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I just talked to my webmaster.
		He's fast.
		He's really fast.
		And we now have a link to earthchanges.com.
		So if you're used to going to my website, folks, if you want to see the map, I've got a full car.
		How big is that map?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The map is five feet by four feet.
unidentified		Five feet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's giant.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And so many people have said, you know, why can't you just put it down to eight and a half by 11?
		Well, on the website, you know, you get an idea of what it is, and you can literally see the impact of what I'm talking about.
		But when you talk about the world, it's very difficult because people really want to know where they are close to the map.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, I took at least a period of five to six years before I ever considered, I had made maps for myself, but I never released it for years.
		First, people weren't ready to hear it.
		And second, is that part of me was in denial.
		You know, I was really hoping that this was just not going to happen, but somehow we were going to turn this around.
		And so, you know, part of me says I probably waited too long.
		The other part of me says the fact that I did it, you know, is probably the correct thing to do whenever I did it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I understand why you're torn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Hawaiian Islands and Alaska, I always get berated for not asking you about those.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Of course, the Hawaiian Islands are born of vulcanism.
		There's constant one places around the world where you can actually watch islands being built, real estate increasing.
		So it's logical to assume that that is going to increase.
		I see most of those islands being severely inundated.
		And I think there will still be some areas at the high elevations that will survive.
		But most of them, the biggest problem I see is water movement.
		You know, when Krakatoa went off, you know, it sent the tidal waves around the world several times.
		And the shockwave reverberated for, it seems like ever.
		And they talked about these mile-high roads that were generated from that one volcanic eruption.
		So here we've got, you know, changes in the West Coast, changes in Japan that I'm predicting will begin this year.
		And so that's going to create waves.
		I think they're very high risk to wave motion.
		There are early warning systems in place to warn of a tidal wave.
		You could have advanced warnings of five hours, maybe even ten hours in some cases.
		Unfortunately, I don't know where you would go except to the higher elevations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Higher ground.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		So I guess everybody should, my suggestion is anybody should, wherever you are in the world, you should just think about what would you do if it happened tomorrow?
		You know, what if a hurricane came?
		What if a major earth came?
		Where would you go?
		What would you do?
		And plan that out accordingly.
		And that's what we've done.
		I have an emergency kit that I keep in my car.
		We have, you know, we've developed a very strong community here in our neighborhood for growing and water.
		And, you know, we can get off of everything and survive here for quite a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what, Gordon?
		I think that people are suddenly, and I bet you're getting it in your mail and your email too, all the communication that you get from people, thousands and tens or hundreds of thousands of people.
		The C-Crane Company sells this emergency radio with a light.
		All of a sudden, about three weeks ago, it went unaccountably crazy.
		I mean, when I say crazy, I mean totally beyond all reason and the ability of them to keep stock or even manufacture it at a fast enough rate.
		And people started ordering.
		Now, that tells me that people are, you know, even for the thicker folks out there, the less sensitive, I'll be kind, it's beginning to sink in.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's intuitively.
		You cannot turn on, yes, you're right.
		Intuitively, more and more people are getting the message, but the other part of it is the real-world data, which is what I look at, and that is that you can't turn on television without some kind of a disaster show that's based on real fact.
		And that in news, I mean, 22 tornadoes in one 24-hour time period all around the country.
		That's unheard of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		So people now are saying, you know, wow, you know, I've got to do something.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And so that wasn't the first step.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then there was the NBC piece the other night when they said that the weather appears to be permanently changing.
		And it's as though for a lot of America, Gordon, they don't believe it until Peter Jennings, Tom Bocaw, or one of the big guys says it.
		When they say it, then it's true for them.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's now.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It's not in ten years or five years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's now.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It's now.
		And I have a monitor running here, by the way, which monitors email from different people around the world.
		Since you mentioned the website, I've gotten all these flashes there.
		You must have an incredible audience out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we do.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Because there's a message here from my server from user.
		I want to know what's going on.
		What's going on with what's going on on the screen, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		You've got a book out.
		It's called Notes from the Cosmos.
		How long have you had that out?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It came out in started shipping it to bookstores in, I think, January.
		So it's been out for about six months in the stores.
		Our subscribers were able to get it three months in advance of that.
		And it's handled now by Amazon.com or Books and Print or Bonjour.
		Most of the bookstores have it.
		If people have difficulty getting it sold out, which happens continuously, we're in our printing already.
		I can get a number that didn't hold in today if they can't get it at the local bookstore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have that number now?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's area code 603-603-256-6759.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And it's 9 to 5 East Coast time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, area code 603-256-6759.
		Is that number also good?
		You, of course, have a newsletter, which...
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The only thing to be asking that our staff is so overpressed that we cannot answer a lot of questions, which is why we put it on the website.
		And we do have a catalog that we can send out that describes everything.
		But we can't handle personal questions about birthplaces and live.
		And I wish I could, but last time I was on your show, which I think you said was about half as many stations as you have now, we had a little over 7,000 phone calls.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I imagine so.
		I imagine so.
		Now, listen, we're coming to the end of the hour.
		Are you done or can you stay and take a few calls?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I'm starting to get those headaches that I talked about a year ago.
		I don't want to go to detail, but I can stay for a few calls.
		I would say that they'll probably be on about a 30-minute cycle here, and then I think I'm going to have to listen to my body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, no, I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, doing what you do has taken so much of a toll on you at times that you have just sort of gone away for like six months at a time, haven't you?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I've never been able to do that.
		I have.
		I think I started publishing the newsletter.
		We haven't had a vacation.
		Our days are typically from 5 in the morning until about 12 at night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, brother.
		All right, hold on right there.
		Gordon Michael Scallion is my guest.
		To get a copy of this program, the one you're hearing now, you can call 1-800-917-4278.
		That's 1-800-917-4278, 24 hours a day.
		We'll take a break and be right back.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		See Gordon's map, and you can click on specific continents so that you can have your questions answered.
		If you have a computer, go to my website at www.artbell.com.
		Scroll down until you see our guest area.
		You'll see the name Gordon Michael Scallion.
		There are several links there, notes from the cosmos, a futurist insights into the world of dream prophecy and intuition, matrixinstitute.com, and then a third link, earthchanges.com.
		Click on that, and you will get to the map.
		Back now to Gordon Michael Scallion.
		Gordon?
		Yep.
		Okay, here we go.
		Let's go to the lines.
		First time call a line.
		You're on the airport, Michael Scallion.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		We're about 50 miles north of Anchorage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		North of Alaska.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I saw the map.
		It looked like a big bite taken out of the west coast of Alaska.
		And I couldn't tell exactly where it was at.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess you're asking about Alaska, and we did ask earlier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gordon, what do you see for Alaska?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The, um...
unidentified		Alaska gets...
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		There's a good chunk of it the ring of fire and part of it goes up to the Aleutian.
		So there's been some significant quakes and adder activities there.
		But in Norton Sound, which one is the Tucon Delta in the Wright Mountains, that gets pushed in.
		So the very large amount, actually, it's pushed in quite a ways.
		So you're going to see that the inner portion of Alaska remains intact.
		The biggest portion is the west portion of Alaska.
		That's where the biggest changes are going to come in the looting chain.
		So if you can imagine that approximately maybe 15% or 20% of Alaska will be inundated either on the coast or in the expansion of Norton Sound, the inner portions, the Brooks Range area in south into where the Yukon goes into White Mountains up, that you know area near Fairbanks, those areas remain fairly intact.
		There will be rumblings and there will be land movement.
		The biggest threat is inundations.
		That's the biggest threat.
		Quakes are dangerous when the breeze falls down.
		Buildings fall down and bridges fall down and houses and dwellings fall down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the Anchorage area?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to have to go to a reference at this point in my memory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anchorage, of course, is...
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I'm just looking at my map here.
		To see the Anchorage, there's a big town that I saw in a vision called Willow.
		And I remember that because Willow became like the new inlet.
		So Anchorage, most of Anchorage will be inundated and very heavily hit.
		But again, the central portions of Alaska are staying tacked.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Unfortunately, the central portion of Alaska is not where a lot of people are.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ronald Claude Line, you're on the air with Gordon Michael Scallion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I just have a basic little comment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Oh, I'm in Cottonwood, Arizona.
		Okay.
		I had an Indian friend of an old bike hunter 15 years ago.
		He used to draw maps about the earth changers because he combines what he knows is scientific and the hope of Indian prophecies all together into what's happening.
		And he told 15 years ago, which a lot of people said, you know, they weren't paying attention, they said, nah, it's not going to happen.
		You're crazy.
		So I saw a map he drew years ago, which is pretty much what some people are coming up with.
		And he told about the California, about the rush, and he always said there's 4-S's in the Colorado.
		And ironically, that's the lowest point of the Colorado River where he said when people want to cross, there's a place called the 4-S Ranch.
		And it took him years of research to find this out.
		And he keeps on doing things.
		Also, I find PBS has been a great source lately.
		You have the scientists in the Antarctic, and it's always on late night between midnight and 3 o'clock in the morning with not the greatest healing audience that tells you what's happening with the climate changes.
		And we even have scientists in the Antarctic saying, no, I would not buy property in Florida at this point in time on their shows.
		Let's see.
		I know there was another point I wanted to make.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me make one for you.
		Gordon, recently it was announced that a 75-square-mile piece of the Larsonby ice shelf broke off.
		Scientists are saying the remaining portion of the ice shelf is now critically unstable and could go at any time.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		That was, unfortunately, that was one of our predictions that we hadn't made published.
		We basically had stated that volcanism was going to hit the pole, that we were going to see a meltoff.
		We forecasted that Alaska would have a major meltoff, glacier is the shelf, and that these are all due to undersea volcanism as this magma shifts its position due to the reorientation of the Earth's core.
		And so we will see an acceleration of that.
		That will accelerate and we will see major breaking off.
		And we will actually see land where we've, you know, in credit history, we have not seen land before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on air with Gordon Michael Scallion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, please?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Murphy'sboro, Tennessee.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, welcome.
unidentified		Good morning to you both.
		And I have two quick questions.
		One, when do you see the end or the completion of this polar magnetic change?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Okay, the window is three years, which would be through to 91, where the three shifts that I have seen will have completed this cycle.
		However, the changes continue on into the year 2012.
		Then my visions have shown me that the Earth is settled down.
		In other words, the climate, the ecosystem, everything becomes established after the year 2012.
		So we will see changes, and even though the climate may change in some areas and it looks like it's permanent, it will change and change until the year 2012.
unidentified		Okay, and do you see this magnetic shift affecting the computers in the future?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		One of my new levels, I did a report on it.
		I didn't understand what I was seeing when I started when I published it, but since I published it, I've had a lot of engineers and people who work in various forms of magnetic research have contacted me and put some insights on it.
		Basically what I've seen is large pulses of magnetic releases.
		In other words, it's like you can imagine a solar flare.
		Imagine now it's the Earth.
		In other words, the Earth is going to take some really hits this year.
		And if the Earth is pointing in the right direction, if the storm is aimed right at the Earth at the right time, and then it's going to couple to the Earth, as it always does, we see these things as a rural borealises, and we see satellites going down, and we see the power grid being affected because we have so much wire around the plane.
		It's like a huge antenna.
		But we're going to see that kind of stuff happening this year.
		And some of these pulses I've seen just raises havoc with electronic devices.
		And I've seen cases where, at least in the visions, where it totally wiped out the spikes were so intense that power spikes in the power lines were, even surge protection stuff, in many cases couldn't operate fast enough.
		And I've seen visions that just showed people at terminals, you know, looking at blank screens like their data has just gotten erased.
		I don't know if it's a global event or whether it's an isolated event.
		I just reported it as I thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Carla.
unidentified		Thank you.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		Rest of the Rockies, you're on there with Gordon Michael Scallion.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Sacramento, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're going to have to yell at us a little.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not too loud.
unidentified		Okay.
		Gordon, I was living in a beautiful house on a cliff in McGuinness Beach, and I had terrible trouble for over a period of two years with just drains and just headaches and just awful time.
		That house I had to flee from because a fire came down the hill.
		Possibly, I don't know if you've heard of just the changes through that area from mudslides to fires to floods.
		Just like the last four years have just been really bad.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I don't think there's probably anybody who, unless you don't have a television, that hasn't seen the terror of your area.
unidentified		Yeah, it's just been devastating.
		And I basically moved from that house and am living now in San Cromene, and there's been earthquakes off San Cromene Island.
		So, you know, I'm just wondering, what do you see for the timeframe for this area?
		You know, Montana's looking pretty good right now.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The fact that you can formulate your question so thoroughly tells me that you've obviously spent a lot of time thinking about it and that some part of your intuition has already made the decision.
unidentified		Yeah.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And I think it's kind of like most of us, we look for confirmations of what we're feeling in our gut, but somehow it doesn't make totological sense for later.
		You have to really listen to your gut.
		You move from our house because you saw things happening, but you knew about it before it was happening.
unidentified		Yeah, it was really weird, and it's almost like I'm drawn back to that area just to confirm things within my own, I don't know, my intuition or something.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		It's almost like a magnet that pulls you there, almost to repel you.
unidentified		So it's almost like already that pull has started that you talk about feel like magnetic.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you may need closure there.
		You may need to take a trip there for a few hours and just be quiet and still with the area and let the feelings come over you.
		And lots of times we have to go back to the scene of something that was, you know, you started your question by saying, it was such a beautiful area.
		I know the area.
		I've spent time there.
		I know it very well.
		And it is gorgeous.
		And so the gorgeous part is still there, that the fires, the floods, the mudslides, is disrupting that beautiful memory you have.
		And so it's part of you wants to recapture that memory and keep it real.
		And yet, you know what you've said, but it's time for you to rethink things.
		And I think what you have to do, what so many people have done, who's contacted us, is that they, you know, you mentioned Montana, and maybe that is a place, maybe that was just the first name that came to your state, came to your mind.
		But you just need to go to those places.
		You grow up, and if you're like me, you go to the place and you immediately will reject it.
		But if it's something that's part of your inner guidance, you'll have dreams and things will kind Of unfold.
		When we take the first step, let's follow an intuition.
		Then we get a lot of other confirmations and steps.
		If we fight it, deny it, or argue it because we say it's going to affect my job, it's going to affect my house, my, you know, all because I hold my materialistic delivery thing that's going to affect, I can't really do that, then you shut that part down.
unidentified		Right, and you can't.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, my confidence is to continue to trust your intuition, and you may have to take a trip.
		But we are now in the danger time period.
		It's not like this is a year away.
unidentified		Yeah, the wake-up call is already in a way.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And of course, we have had that experience firsthand, haven't you?
unidentified		Yeah, and it's just astonishing to hear him confirm that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's just simply saying, listen to yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got to run to here, but thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care.
		First time call online.
		You're on here with Gordon Michael Scallion.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you?
unidentified		This is Brenda in Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Brenda, I can barely hear you yell at us and ask your question.
unidentified		Colorado.
		And Laurie, listen to both of you for the last five years.
		My question tonight is about the children of the Blu-ray.
		Would you give me a little more information on that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The children of the Blu-ray?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I can shed a little bit of light on it.
		We just talked about this.
		It's so important that I put a whole chapter in my book about it.
unidentified		Oh.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		When I began seeing all of this destruction, I started looking ahead in the future.
		I thought there's got to be some good that comes out of everything that is challenging in our lives.
		There has to be.
		A health crisis, a divorce, financial setbacks.
		These all have to be put in the right perspective.
		And so I looked at the future, and in my future visions, I observed that there was a whole different, I would have to call it, a race of people who were human, you know, and look very much like us now, except that the pigment of the skin had changed because of the differences of the solar connection to the Earth.
		And so I call them the children of the New Way.
		It's the people who come in, they're the teachers now who are preparing the way for these changes, and they're the people after these changes who become the teachers of our future children.
		So it's like after the changes, this is the new race of people who live long, two, three hundred years will be very common, born, highly intuitive, able to speak multiple languages, very strong telepathy.
		And I was starting to see a lot of these being born.
		And I do give all the characteristics of it in the brief.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Gordon, I see two categories of children now that we have.
		One appears to be very spiritual and intuitive and a new type of child.
		And the other seems to be the exact opposite.
		You know, you hear about all these school showings and all the rest of it.
		Sort of blank-eyed, soulless little creatures who have had a fortunate upbringing and for no apparent reason have simply don't care about their own lives and certainly don't care about the lives of those people around them.
		So we have two polar opposites, it seems like.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Our society has become polarized.
		And a lot of that has to do with the fact that at this particular age, the age we're in right now, those souls, if you will, that come into the earth, it's like an open system here.
		Anybody can come into the earth now.
		There's seven different vibrational ways out of the color spectrum that people can come into the world and fill and experience life.
		Many of them are here trying to better themselves and also be in service.
		And others haven't.
		They've either fallen backwards or they have stayed at the same place.
		And that's the polarity.
		In the next millennium, that's the year 2001, there's only going to be three windows of opportunity, and thus the prophecies of the millennium of peace occur.
		It occurs because the vibrations will not allow those people to incarnate during the next thousand years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Ryan Cardeline, very quickly, you're on the air with Gordon Michael Scallion.
		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mr. Scallion.
		This is Mark and Reno.
		Hi, Mark.
		I want to take you to task on a couple of items here, and that's the California fractures time span has already taken place.
		The pole shift, according to my map, future map of the United States, 1998 to 2001.
		There's a lot of things in here that are past their dates.
unidentified		And I would just like for you to make a promise that if we're sitting here in January of 1999 and none of this is taking place, that you're going to apologize to some of these people that you're scaring out of their skins.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I know that there's a lot of fear with this.
		If we come up to the year 2001, which completes that cycle of that window, and it hasn't occurred, and then people like Casey and Master Johnny, the little hookies, and all of us who have been doing these things, would have to admit and say that we have totally misread it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gordon?
		I'm not exactly sure what happened to you.
		Gordon, are you there?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		We're up on the break.
		We're at the half-hour mark here.
		So is this where you want to stop it?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is.
		I said I would do another half an hour and so we have done it.
		I'm glad to see you later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You take care, Gordon.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Bye-bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bye-bye.
		We'll be right back.
		This is an interesting question from somebody.
		Well, it's from a bad.
		I don't know where he is.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Andrew.
		Oh, yeah, Cliz here.
		Listening to you in Phoenix.
		If we do have a pole shift, will all of your satellites, the ones you broadcast your show to, be able to receive your transmission?
unidentified		I never thought about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have geosynchronous satellites that are above the equator, a six-degree shift in the poles.
		yes, I think I would be more or less instantly off the air.
		That's just my first take, though.
		Rest of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hi.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Oh, pretty good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		In St. George, Utah?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		Right.
		Right.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And I was just listening to Jordan Michaelson.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And, boy, that's scary stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I think that it will occur as he has suggested it will occur.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The way things are going, I'm thinking that, too.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I was wondering, have you heard anything lately from the Wave Rider or anything about him?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have had a facts of concern from his friend in Texas, but nothing directly from the Wave Rider himself.
		And his friend now fears he is dead.
		Oh, gee.
		All right?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, scary stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend, I wish I could tell you more, but that's it for now.
		When I get any news, it could come at any moment.
		I'll certainly let you know.
		First time caller line, you're on air.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		I have a couple of comments for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, go ahead.
unidentified		Okay, the first one is there was an article in Discover magazine, I believe it was late last year, where they had an article about polar shifts with the sun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It had to do with magma movements and everything, and they were able to find a lot of sunspect activity and predict it now.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I was thinking that that might have a lot to do, you know, especially what's going on with the sun.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		You know, and then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you are, sir, you are exactly right.
		Thank you.
		You are precisely right.
		And that is why I have scheduled Ed Dames for Thursday.
		That's exactly the reason that I've scheduled Ed Dames.
		What he has to say concerns the sun.
		What he has to say confirms what Gordon Michael Scallion just said.
		It confirms what Stan Dale has been saying.
		And I suspect strongly, and I don't want to put words into anybody's mouth, but it will confirm what the Hopi elders are going to say on the 15th.
		On my international line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		I didn't think I was going to get through tonight, Ert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've made it.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Stormchester, Northern Alta or Alberta.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Why don't we make comment on the Montana, Alberta thing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		That's looking in not bad order on the map.
		Whether this happens or not, you're going to enjoy putting your money over moving here to Alberta, Montana.
		It's a beautiful place.
		I don't think anyone will be too disappointed if they head this way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's beautiful here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You say that now, but if millions were to head that way.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		We've got a lot of room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're going to need it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Point well taken.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, have a good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you too.
		Alberta.
		Rest of the Rockies, you're on air for now.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Excuse me.
unidentified		Good morning, Larry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning to you.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm calling from Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I have a couple of things to comment.
		First of all, that's the first time I've heard Gordon Michael Scallion.
		And to have a comment about that, actually about that.
		Not only about that, but when you had Red Dames on, you had a caller yesterday.
		I know I'm kind of jumping around here, but I want to get this first.
		You had a caller yesterday asking Brad Steiger if he knew where to get Wilhelm Mike Brooks and what the address might be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I have an address here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I can't put it on the air without first checking it out.
unidentified		Already, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you do have it, get it to me by email or some method, and I'll check it out and get it on the air.
unidentified		Okay, that'll be cool.
		My comment basically is I'm one of those people who's easily affected by the phases of the moon.
		And I mean that the full moon tonight I was kind of concerned about, and there are plenty of others out there too, concerned about these programs being on a night of the full moon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm well aware of it.
unidentified		But it just seems that tonight seems to be a very calming one.
unidentified		So it seems that probably that'll just mean that the next new moon will be the agitating one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That could be.
unidentified		But fortunately, it is, at least as far as I can tell, it is calm.
		So yeah, I'm glad to see, at least so far, that, well, I'm sure that there's still plenty of people scared out there and frightened out there.
		And as am I, I'm really in no position to be saving my hide right now.
		But I'll tell you what, I'm not going to let it stop me.
		I want to keep working towards getting where I need to go.
		And I suggest that others do that too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, that's my attitude as well.
		I have a strong feeling inside, and I have ever since I've known Gordon that he is correct, as others are, about what's coming.
		But that doesn't change things really.
		You've still got to live your life.
		You've still got to do what you do and care for the ones you love and try to do your best.
		And that's what I'm going to do.
unidentified		Exactly.
		Exactly.
		That's my point entirely.
		And I have others I talk to who are very concerned about this, if not worried.
		And I just tell them, hey, you know, just keep plugging away.
		Do what you can as you can, and hopefully.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, one thing that has dawned on me is that these changes that we've been talking about for so long, they're underway now.
unidentified		Yeah, well, we still have to keep plugging away, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Anyway, that was my comment.
		A thank you was very much.
		Without this information, I'd know what was going on, wouldn't have any even half an idea as to what to do or what to expect, and I'd be going crazy without it, as frightening as it is.
		So thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		Thank you, and take care.
		East of the Rockies, you're on air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		My name is Carol, and I'm calling from the Detroit, Michigan area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Carol.
unidentified		Hi, we're coming into CKLW in Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the one.
unidentified		I've got a brother that told me about you that lives in Henderson, Nevada.
unidentified		He said he was out to your place once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Entirely possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Henderson is just over the hill.
unidentified		Yeah, his name is John.
unidentified		But anyway, my question was, what's in store for the people up here in Michigan area?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is going to be a problem with Great Lakes.
		My advice to you, I don't want to put words in anybody's mouth or maps that I'm not looking at.
		If I were you, I'd get on the website and take a look at Gordon's map.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'd be my advice.
unidentified		All right, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and take care.
		And if you want to do that, you can go to my website and simply go to www.artbell.com.
		Scroll down to the guest listings.
		You will find the name Gordon Michael Scallion.
		And you will see a link there which says earthchanges.com.
		Click on that.
		Go over and take a look at the specific part of the map that concerns you.
		So, although Gordon produces that map and has for years commercially, you'll notice he's got it on the web and you can look for yourself.
		If you don't have a computer, get to a friend or go to a library and get there that way.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hi.
		Hello there.
		Going once.
		Going twice.
		Go on.
		East of the Rockies, you're on air.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Oh, hi.
unidentified		Hello?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		This is Ben.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I'm calling from North Mahmoud.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And I'm curious, believe I was listening to your show, I don't know how long ago it's been, I guess a month ago, you had a new story that the Earth's rotation slowed down like a fraction of a second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as a matter of fact, it has, yes.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I was wondering if that might be related to the polar shift that Mr. Scallion suggested tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what Mr. Scallion is suggesting is that Earth magma is moving, that there are changes going on within the Earth that are occurring because of what's going on on the Sun, and that a lot of the warming is due to magma below our ocean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it's entirely plausible, particularly if you listen to people like Stan Deo, who look at maps of the ocean and see this tremendous heating where there ought to be none.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I just didn't know.
		Usually when the ecology of the planet, it's like it's like a domino effect.
		You start messing with one thing and it tends to cause a chain of reaction to leads to something bigger.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And I thought that, you know, I just spoke to thought.
		I'm not a scientist by any means.
		I'm a truck driver.
		But, you know, it was just one of those things that kept hitting on my kept hitting on.
		Couldn't get it out of my head.
		And I tried to get through to Mr. Scallion before he got off the air, and I didn't get through.
		But I just thought I'd throw it out there.
		Whether you believe in his theory like I do or not, like the gentleman from Reno, you can't deny something is definitely going on.
		The weather's clear for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Thank you very much.
		That, of course, is correct.
		And I am convinced, as so many others are, that these changes have now begun.
		Gordon said it.
		One screen.
		It's underway.
		But still, as the other gentleman said, you've got to live life one day at a time.
		And in time, you will make your own decisions based on what you see or what you feel.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		No, you're not.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Ron from North Carolina.
		Hi, Ron.
		I've got some things I think that can tie this all together, if you'll allow me to go on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go on.
unidentified		Okay, I've been on the internet for a while.
		I had a dream a long time ago about a tidal wave hitting California.
		So I did some research into meteor impacts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And basically what it boiled down to is the more I worked on the internet, I found more people with other dreams.
		And I was able to piece this thing together and read a lot of scientific literature.
		And what it boiled down to is a lot of the things that Mr. Scallion was talking about and some of the dreams people have had.
		It all sort of adds up to a meteor impact, a large meteor impact in the Pacific Ocean to be specific.
		I've talked to a man from Germany over the internet who said he'd seen an object entering the atmosphere.
		Another person said specifically he'd seen it hit in the Gulf of Alaska, and that other people had had dreams about the Arctic Ocean coming through the Canadian plains, which would put enough water through to open up the things that is seen on the Earth Changes map, especially coming through the Mississippi being expanded.
		A lot of the areas that would be inundated.
		It also, I mean, it ties in with a lot of people, like Mr. Case talking about Carolinas being changed in the twinkling of an eye, I think he said.
		It would be like if a meteor hit this large, it would be very large earthquakes.
		It would put out an electromagnetic pulse.
		I think a Russian scientist called it a magneto-hydrodynamic pulse, which is caused by this huge mass hitting the earth and vaporizing, which would disrupt communications, that sort of thing.
		And I don't know.
		I mean, I've got a website and I work on one of the places, one of the internet news groups.
		So I've talked to some people there, but I really think it shouldn't be underestimated.
		There's a lot of people you've had on your show that this sort of ties together.
		One of the people, Tom Van Flandren, he has done a lot of work on the exploded planet hypothesis, which says there used to be a fifth planet, but for some reason it exploded.
		And that I think a lot of this is tied into what's going on on the sun, too.
		That this mass, when it exploded, it left the orbit, you know, the inner solar system and went out into deep space, but on a regular basis, it returned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, you can take one of two points of view.
		If you listen to the various guests I have on, like Dames, Ed Dames, who predicted so much about the winds that we're now experiencing and the sun and all the rest of it, and Father Malachi Martin and Gordon Michael Scallion, and Daniel Brinkley, and Hopi Elders, and Ghostwolf, and I could really sit here and dig off a whole lot more.
		One of two things is happening.
		Either they're all talking to each other secretly and getting their predictions to, as Richard Hoagland would say, to the point where all the dots connect because that's what I'm hearing, or you could conclude that, in fact, from all these different disciplines, we're getting the same answers, in which case, you know, I would prepare.
unidentified		Well, that's exactly what I was trying to get to.
		When you start on a path like this, we're talking an awful lot about what is going to happen in the negative things.
		But, you know, I've also talked to people that have dreams about the aftermath and how humanity is recovering from this.
		And the preparations, although they're sort of drastic, they're not something that's outside the realm of almost anybody's grasp.
		The food is available now to stockpile it, you know, and it's, you know, most people are recommending a year's worth of food.
		The studies I've done said, you know, it should be more like five years' worth of food.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you do what you can.
		A year is reasonable.
		Five years is kind of tough.
		You should have alternative power.
		You should have a good source of clean water.
		You should have a radio.
		You should have batteries.
		You should have, you know, just the basic common sense stuff.
unidentified		All those things can be tied together in sort of community planning.
		Like in America, a lot of people might not know that there's a commodities market where you can buy grain in large amounts.
		Now, that's a bit expensive for an individual, but for a small community, it's very reasonable to say that you should have food, especially with all the interest that you've got a tremendous listening audience.
		And if somebody were to get into a business like this of taking, and there is, there's a place called Walton's Dry Goods.
		I'm not sure where it is.
		I think in Idaho.
		But they sell nitrogen-packed food in huge quantities.
		They'll sell you a truckload if you want.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		The thing is, is to make the decision to look forward to the future in a positive way.
		I mean, you can either look at this as a dreaded event or you can look at it as, I mean, the blessing it was intended to be.
		That's the way I look at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think of myself as a survivor, so I will do what I can to survive.
		You know, I'll make a fight out of it.
		You can bet on that.
unidentified		Well, I'm sure you will.
		But we all want to survive.
		I mean, that's human nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, my friend.
		Take care.
		It's human nature is right.
		It is the survival instinct, and it is a very basic instinct indeed.
		We had to talk about that not very long ago.
		Not a lot of time left.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		This is Daniel in Mental.
		Hello, Daniel.
		A couple of months ago, you had this woman on, and she was having a problem with this dark entity with drawing ass, pulling her from her bed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I recall well, yes.
unidentified		Do you know if she ever got in touch with Dr. Malachi Martin?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Father Malachi Martin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, she did.
unidentified		Did she?
		Okay.
		I've been concerned about that for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, Mary, well, yes, she did make contact.
		Thank you.
		West of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hi.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Bill's Doug, the militian there from Depot Bay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there, Doug.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Have a look at the show.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty interesting.
unidentified		And this weather up here is getting bad up on the coastal ground here.
unidentified		I was working today, and it looked like it was in November.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cold and rainy and wet.
		I know.
		I'm just not feeling very nice.
unidentified		Wish America good night and before I got a fading range.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, you said it.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you said good night.
		So I'll take this opportunity just to save myself to give you the number again.
		If you want a copy of Gordon Michael Scallion's rare appearance, it does not come on the air frequently.
		You can call 1-800-917-4278.
		That's 1-800-917-4278.
		Thank you all very much.
		Tomorrow night, the truster, you're not going to believe it, what a program that'll be.

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