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June 9, 1998 - Art Bell
02:33:56
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Gordon Michael Scallion - Predictions
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You're in New Hampshire, right?
Correct.
My listenership probably has doubled or tripled since the last time we spoke.
Your appearances are rare on the program, so I hope everybody has heard it before.
We'll bear with us, but the short story of what happened to you, how you became who you are.
I began in 79.
I started in 1979.
At that time my vocation was a video consultant.
I was involved in running engineering studios and things of that nature.
Very technical.
Very technical.
You're a ham as I am.
So I've always been technical, I guess.
Yeah, at the start of the age of seven or eight, building the first crystal radio
and hammer your license at 10 and so forth.
So everything was pretty much in a linear world for me.
Then in 1979, I was working on a sailboat at that time.
Thank you.
I had a ship to shore radio and I did some marine communications work and I also had
a consulting business that was very easy to work from a boat and I did have an office.
Gee, a hard life Gordon.
I thought I had it just about as perfect as you did.
Yeah, I would say.
Yeah, and you know, I was a little bit of a slob.
I was a little bit of a slob.
And so, at that time in my life, there was nothing obviously stressful or anything going on that I was aware of.
But one day in the afternoon, in the middle of a presentation with some clients, in mid-sentence, my voice literally froze up.
I've relayed this story many times, but the closest thing I could describe it is that somebody went in and surgically removed my larynx.
There was no sound that you could make.
You would still move your mouth?
Nothing coming out?
Yeah, it was like talking, like watching a silent movie.
And I reached for my throat because, you know, I just thought a passageway had gotten blocked.
And I just kept trying to make sounds and I couldn't.
And the first few seconds I was, you know, wasn't too concerned, but then I looked at the faces of the clients who were aghast at what was happening, and they thought I was having a stroke.
And so I moved forward, you know, to say, are you all right?
And I felt no discomfort.
I wasn't in pain.
There was just nothing except my voice was simply gone.
After five minutes, I then started getting very nervous.
And we, um...
Well, that is, after all, what will kill your speech is a stroke.
I don't know what else will do that.
Well, you know, it's also, I was at the age, I was in my 30s, and it was in that age period where
you begin hearing stories of people going through health crises, and
I could not relate it to anything.
I mean, there was nothing physically going on in my life that would have pointed to this.
So we, um...
Probably, you know, within 15 minutes, we had made calls to the hospital,
and the clients just were so nervous.
And, you know, I started writing little notes and saying, you know, I don't know what's wrong, but I'm going to...
Don't worry about this. I'll get back to you.
And they wanted to immediately take me someplace to call and ambulance,
and something would not let me do that.
So I drove myself to the hospital.
And they put me inside.
We had some quick tests.
Did anybody go to the hospital with you or did you have to write notes there?
I went by myself.
They offered to do it.
One of the people that was in the meeting was a little trembling.
later found out that her brother-in-law had a stroke and went through some very similar
situations and so for her it was like reliving this nightmare.
Anyway you got to the hospital and I guess you probably had to write a note that said
I can't speak. Yeah, they knew before I got in there because
one of the people had called the hospital and told them what the situation was. They
said come right in for an emergency and asked if we needed an ambulance and we said no.
I went in, they did the test, they came back in and said two or three different doctors
came in and finally they said we're going to have to put you, admit you and we're going
to have to watch you very carefully and see what's going on.
Sure.
So in the hospital I went.
Several hours had passed.
I was in a room by myself.
It was a secondary bed in there, but no one was in the bed.
And one of the nurses came in and she said, look, we're going to set a series of tests for you in the morning.
In the meantime, we're going to do some things for you to make you more comfortable.
And so one of the nurses came in and hooked a couple of IVs to each arm.
to each isle.
Right.
And then they left and I was there and it was probably 11 o'clock.
The news was on, the local news, and there was no way that I was going to be able to go to sleep.
So I was waiting for Johnny Carson to come on.
I knew at 11.30 that would come on.
Sure.
11.30, just as Ed McMahon comes on and says, here's Johnny, at that moment, a strange light started appearing in the room.
And I paid no attention to it at first, I thought it was coming from the hallway, maybe from some kind of equipment.
Within probably two or three minutes, the lights are now penetrating into the room
and I'm looking to see the doorway, the glass doorway to the room and trying to see
where the reflections are coming from.
And all of a sudden, inside of the door, in my room now, there's this huge sphere of light,
all kinds of radiating colors, blues and purples and sparks coming off of it.
How do you describe it?
In the door itself?
It's just inside the door.
Okay.
The lights were outside the door, now they're inside this door.
Oh, I've got you, okay.
It's about the size of a, probably a beach ball.
And it's swirling and moving and I'm watching this thing and now I'm really starting to get nervous.
Up to this point, my rational mind was going through all the things it could be, you know?
Maybe I'm having too good a life.
Maybe it's something to do with sun.
I spend too much time in the sun.
Maybe it's some kind of a sun-related thing to me.
What about the IVs?
Well, I didn't pay attention to the IVs at this time.
They were just in my arm and I didn't even think about that.
Well, when I say what about the IVs, what about the content of the IVs?
Anything in there that could have done that?
Well, the way I got through the experience, which lasted about a half an hour, I finally I came to the conclusion that what I was having was some kind of a drug reaction to the IVs.
And I said, this is why I'm seeing these visions.
There were lights and colors and symbols.
It was like watching three or four drive-in movies at the same time.
And so then it ended with a woman actually, at least her head, appearing out of the sphere.
and an elderly woman perhaps in her 70s with gray hair and she was talking to me and she
was saying write these things down and I'm thinking wow the stuff in these IDs is really
something because at that stage in my life I had never done drugs and occasionally alcohol
a beer or two it was about my limit.
So I could not accept the fact that something in my mind could have snapped.
It was easier to accept the fact that something was in these IDs.
Sure.
Um, in the morning, we woke up, nurse comes in, addresses me by name, and without thinking, I respond to her.
She looks at me kind of strange and picks up the chart.
She says, aren't you the fellow that came in last night that can't speak?
And I said, oh, I guess I'm, I guess I'm okay.
She said, I guess I'm ready to go home.
She says, well, the doctor will be in shortly, he'll be around shortly.
I said, by the way, what was in those IVs?
She cut me off and said, you'll have to talk to the doctor about that.
I decided not to tell her anything.
When the doctor did come in I asked him, by the way, what's in these IVs?
He said, well, you were very dehydrated when you came in here.
He said, so it's kind of a selling solution for you.
I said, what else is in there? You've got two. What else is in there?
He said, no, these are just things to maintain your body.
He said, there's no drugs in here.
It was at that moment that my stomach just became a knot.
It was at that point that I was like, oh God, there really is something wrong with my mind.
I really have SNAP and everything I experienced.
I cannot possibly tell these people that. I just need to get out of here.
At this point, I'm sure you wanted to ask him what might have caused you to lose your voice or did he have any hit
yet?
At that point, he didn't.
He was running all kinds of checks.
He kept constantly looking down my throat and feeling my throat.
And he said, I'm still going to do this value test on you.
And he kept asking me, he said, how old are you?
And he said, he kept repeating things like, how are things in your life?
I think it is a very good question. I think it is a very good question. I think it is
a very good question. I think it is a very good question. I think it is a very good question.
I think it is a very good question. I think it is a very good question. I think it is
a very good question. I think it is a very good question.
I think it is a very good question. I think it is a very good question.
is in the autonomous building.
You don't even have to leave the building.
You know, he has his office right here.
No.
And so, you know, a few hours later I'm out and down the hall and, you know, my worst nightmare.
I'm at the door of this psychiatrist and I'm thinking, you know, I hesitate about going in.
In fact, I even turned around and I said, I'm not going to do this.
Mostly because I just couldn't accept the fact that I, that somehow I snapped.
Sure.
I did go, however.
Mostly because I had no other rational experience, and I really thought that I should tell him about this experience that I had in the hospital.
And within 15 minutes of talking with him about my mother, my father, my sister, you know, my whole life, not once had he asked me, you know, where did this happen?
There was no background about it.
I mean, he immediately went back This is my first conscious thought in life.
Presumption that something earlier in life caused this.
I did not schedule any further appointments and literally went home to my boat and just sat there and didn't do anything for a couple of days.
A friend of mine who I went sailing with came over and I confided in him what had happened.
And since he was a dream therapist and had an MBA degree, but he spent most of his work in dream analysis, he said, well, let's start a dream journal for you to start watching and seeing what's happening.
And up to this point, I couldn't ever tell you any dream I had in my life.
I told him that.
I said, I don't think I dream.
I can't remember anything.
He says, well, start this journal and we'll see.
And he says, and tell me about your experience.
And he says, if you take me sailing, that'll be the trade.
So off we go sailing, and I told him the story, and he wrote it all down.
And I said, OK, you know, he said, well, let's go sailing next week.
He said, it'll be like therapy for both of us.
And the next week, he comes out on the boat, and he's got the morning paper.
And he hands me the paper, and he said, you see the morning's paper?
And I said, no, I said, I really can't deal with news or anything right now.
I'm afraid if I look at the paper, the same thing's going to happen to me as when I looked at Johnny Carson.
And I said, they just stopped watching TV.
They stopped doing everything.
I just was kind of hiding.
He says, well, you really need to look at this.
And I looked at it, and it was a very specific event that had happened in the world dealing with a plane crash.
And I said, well, I said, I don't understand.
And he says, well, that was on your list of things.
The list of things that you made in the hospital or that you recorded?
A few things that the woman had told me.
She said there will be a series of events in the next 30 days that will happen that I will tell you about.
And the purpose of these things is so that you understand what is going on in your life and what your real purpose is.
I had absolutely no understanding of what she was saying, why she was saying it, but
that was one event and then every event on that sheet literally happened.
There were about 10 items that she had said, things that would go on, something to do with
the price of silver, something to do with headlines that would have appeared that we
would see today.
It wasn't things of death and destruction, though the plane crash certainly was, but
most of them had to do with conflicts in the world or major things politically or socially
that were going on, things that would make headlines.
And so, you know, after this, and we continued sailing for several weeks, and each week we would talk about it again, and I did start dreaming immediately.
Um, and so finally he said, look it, he says, uh, he says, I really believe in the power of the mind, he says, or I wouldn't be in this work as a dream analyst.
And he says that your dreams are something more than just dreams.
He says, somehow, he says, you've entered what Carl Jung calls the collective consciousness.
Somehow, some function of you has tapped into this time stream.
He said, you know, whether you manifested this woman yourself in your own subconscious mind, or whether you made contact with something else, he says, I can't say.
I can only tell you, he says that... Something has happened.
We have to look at the data.
You know, as you look back at it now, after all of these years, what do you think happened to you?
Um, it became easier after 79 to accept a whole series of theories.
And I would hold on to a theory for perhaps a year, and then That would change my life and I would have to modify that theory.
All the theories I had was that it was somehow external to me.
It was somehow, um, somehow the power of the mind, um, was communicating, you know, since I was in communications, to me it was like another aspect of ham radio.
I said, you know, maybe life after death is possible.
Maybe we're just, maybe people somehow in their lives, either through accidents or through meditation or whatever, I was able to tap in and I thought I had just kind of
tapped into another communication mode.
It was the only thing I could accept. Looking back, you know, in 1998, I see this now and I say, well,
I think what really happened is that indeed I awoken. It was part of this great awakening that
I think millions of people are going through. Well, more and more people are going through it.
Gordon, hold on.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
There are so many stories like this, many of them involving NDEs, and then the kind of abilities that Gordon now has follow.
He's in New Hampshire.
He's up late.
His appearances are few and far between, so you're going to want to listen very carefully.
Gordon, you're back on the air again, and I've got something I want to bring up.
I've interviewed Quite a number of people, Gordon, who have had near-death experiences, and in many, many cases, after the MDE, after they come out of it with whatever experience they describe, usually very similar, they seem to come out of it with abilities that they did not have previously, and something
Seems to occur in the brain.
I'm not sure if new neural passages are now activated that were not before.
Some kind of shock to the system seems to cause this.
We know we only use a small part of our brains.
And I wonder if something simply gets connected that was not previously connected.
I'm sure you've thought about this a million times.
Yeah, after I had the experience in 29, I began to explore what had happened to me, kind of use my technical
background.
I spent the next two years literally, I couldn't work because these visions would occur while
I was awake or asleep.
I couldn't even drive for a long time until I literally trained myself.
Was it getting worse?
They were changing, it was becoming different.
I started to have pain which I never had before.
I started having swabbings.
I had a lot of physical problems and that is the part that really started getting scary
for me.
I actually went through a whole series of other tests with doctors and also started
exploring alternative things at that time which were not very many but the 80s were
starting to explode and it was kind of fashionable to explore self.
I did run across many people who had near death experiences and people who had out of
body experiences.
Some of them I didn't even know at the time but the results of what they were experiencing
seemed very similar.
I think you're right on.
I think at least my...
Uh, you know...
My 17 years of working in this field tells me that a connection doesn't occur.
I think that the abilities for intuition and the abilities to awaken other portions of ourselves are latent within us.
I think we all come in with these abilities.
In our society, we're not trained to use them.
Or the potential for these abilities.
Right, so we suppress a lot of that.
I think what happens is that some part of our subconscious mind or again an accident
which still may be caused by some part of our inner being awakens these glands and then
these glands start functioning.
I finally went to an acupuncturist in desperation and the first thing he said is take off your
shoes and socks and I'm pointing to my head and my neck where the pain is and he says
take off your shoes and socks and he repeated it and he looked at my toes and he said how
long have these toes been black like that?
The actual toenails had become blackened and I knew he was going to say you have a dietary
problem and I said wow this is the solution and I'll take calcium, magnesium, I'll take
some mineral and he's found it.
He said well it started about three or four weeks ago and he said when did these headaches
start and the pain?
I thought about it and I said well yeah about a month ago and he said roll up your cuffs
and on the insides of my legs all of the hair on my legs was totally gone and I just had
not even focused on it.
I said oh yeah they were totally gone and he said why don't you look at your fingernails
and he looked at my fingernails and then he looked at my eyes and he looked at me and
he said do you know what Kundalini is?
And I had no idea what you're talking about.
And he says a kundalini is kind of like an awakening where an energy flows through you and it is a process or a part of trying to seek enlightenment.
And I said, well, I said, I'm not on that path.
I'm on a path of trying to I don't know.
I just want to stop seeing this stuff and get back to my normal life.
He then said, you need to read about this.
So he gave me a book and bowed to me and sent me on my way.
I went home and read the book and it described so close to what I was going through that
it made all the difference in the world.
That book led me to another book which led me to another book.
And then in the process of probably two or three months I began to understand what was
happening to me and to a lot of other people.
And then realizing how many people out there, I'm sure today even more so, are misdiagnosed
because of these abilities that start to open up.
Do you think it is, no matter how it occurs, for lack of a better term, a sudden contact
with the collective consciousness that is what occurred to you and has occurred to you?
I think the first connection that occurs, which is usually subtle and it usually is not understood, occurs within your own being.
You get in touch with another part of your subconscious mind.
It's like a dream world.
If you spend a little time in your dreams, you have to wonder what incredible intelligence
is creating these dream scenarios.
Once you reach that stage, it's like a radio.
By turning the channel all of a sudden you are listening to something else.
It starts within and then once that connection is made, you just have to decide what you
want to tune into.
It can be anything from other consciousnesses of other realms, other consciousnesses from
other star systems.
The limitations aren't there.
It's a wide spectrum.
We are used to, like you and I are used to the electromagnetic spectrum, radio and microwave
television and so forth.
This spectrum goes far beyond it.
It's the spectrum of mind.
In that spectrum, there is an infinite number of intelligences that can be active.
Do you think that you chose to see the future?
I spent a lot of time in my new book, Five Net Function, of what I felt was why this really happened to me.
Because the question on my mind every night is, you know, why me?
You know, this is not someone who's a believer.
And I came to the conclusion that it's like this bell rings for everybody.
And some people hear the bell, or the first gong, and other people hear the bell a minute later, or a year later, or a lifetime later.
Um, and I think that I, if you believe in the concept of a spiritual presence that we're a part of, the collective consciousness, and that each of us is a soul unto ourselves, but yet we're connected to a greater collective of souls, and then all of these souls are collected together as part of the creator.
And so, for me, it was I'm in touch with some part of me who had other time periods, past time periods, maybe even future time periods of me, who realized certain things.
In other words, I had certain, we call it comma, to work through.
We had certain functions that we each come in with.
We each have certain abilities.
Everybody has a gift at birth, and we can choose to misuse that gift or to work with it.
Right.
And from that perspective, We then unfold like a flower.
When the Kundalini rises, we now have more power access to us.
So for me, it's like I saw the future and then for several years I just saw the past.
You know, like ancient past, Atlantis, Egypt, Lemuria, watching the pyramids being built, who built them, how they were built.
I could not understand why I was seeing all that, but it lasted for perhaps two years.
And then it shifted I think it is a very good question. I think it is a very
good question. I think it is a very good question. I think it is a very good question. I
think it is a very good question.
I think it is a very good question. I think it is a very good question.
I was about to ask you about the nature of time itself in a way you just answered that.
You are saying the future is fluid? The future is fluid.
In our reality, the physical reality, we control time.
The collective consciousness which manifests in each of us, each of us is a part of, we literally control time.
From a subjective point of view, if we were to look at something, I look at a vision, in the inner world, there isn't any time.
I have to really look for things like a newspaper headline, Well, I have to look for a particular terrain.
You know, if it's desert, if it's morning, is it night?
Can I look at the clothing and tell the time of the year?
Occasionally, I'll even hear a voice that will give me a very specific beat, you know?
And, you know, Northridge and Hurricane Andrew and a few other events were that way, were very specific.
This is the data we're happening on.
And so those I saw as fixed things.
They were fixed.
But the time thing is only a question of when it's going to happen, not if it's going to happen.
Now, the if part is much easier to control in an individual's life.
An individual can change their future at any moment, no matter what someone, a visionary, a psychic, a prophet, no matter what they say, at any moment, that person can change their destiny in their life.
The patterns and the energies Let me ask you about a specific.
person to be very strong. But the individual controls it.
Now when you get outside of the individual, you start looking at a collective nature. It's
no different than trying to change a law, you know, through the Senate or the House. You know,
you have to get an agreement.
Let me ask you about a specific. Let us say that you saw with near certainty, and we'll
go into how you see these things shortly, you saw that somebody was going to get hit
by a truck. And you knew the rough date.
You had one of these certainty things.
If you were to go to that person and tell them what was going to occur, could they and would they avoid that death?
It is possible.
There have been a couple of cases in my own life, as well as friends, where such cases have occurred.
I describe one in my book where I'm on a highway and I have this dream every morning I enter the same little highway And I see it, and then in this dream I have, I see this very specific car, specific naked color, speeding.
And as I come up the upper ramp, he's going so fast, he can't stop.
There's a truck in the left lane, he can't turn over.
And he hits me, and I see my car turn over, and I see my throat literally split open, and I'm dead.
I see that whole dream.
This dream appears for, like, two or three days in a row.
Uh, so every day when I go up to that little intersection, in real life, I'm looking down the highway.
You bet.
And, uh, finally, uh, on the fourth or fifth day, I'm looking down, and I get up there, and I get this eerie feeling, and I literally get up to the yield sign that merges onto the interstate, and I literally stop.
And I turn, I don't see anything, and I'm about to accelerate, and I stop, and I look one more time, just as that car is passing.
Oh my.
Same color.
So in this case, I think dreams and insights and intuition are always working on us.
We may not pay attention to it, we just react, but we can change those kind of events.
There are other events, such as the seasons of the year, that unless we mess with nature technically, and also with our thoughts, are going to happen.
We're going to have summer, we're going to have winter, we're going to have spring.
Have a destiny, just as our sun has a destiny.
Our destinies are a lot more fluid, and we have a lot more control.
Uh, is there a, but there is a, there is a collective destiny, isn't there?
I believe there is an overall age, uh, a theater.
Uh, the Earth has a destiny.
Uh, the destiny is governed, uh, by cycles.
We can make book on these cycles, just like the moon and its orbits and the tides.
So there is that destiny.
Now, as part of that destiny, the dynamic energies, the thing we call astrology, for
example, it sets up a stage.
It sets up a pattern of energies that says these energies are going to be in existence
for an age.
Ages Pisces, Aquarius.
But for a couple thousand years, we have certain dynamic energies that are set in a stage for
us.
How we lay out that stage is...
It's still individual.
But we do have a destiny within that framework.
And over a millennium of time, this changes.
And then there's a grand cycle of what we're about.
We have just entered into this grand cycle.
It's a 26,000 year cycle.
And we have just entered.
We're completing a cycle and we're about to begin a new one.
and that particular cycle will now create a whole new stage, new set designs, if you will,
and it'll have a new general destiny.
I recall from our previous interviews, one thing that has always stuck with me,
you said when you saw what was to be, you would see in effect three TV screens,
like three TV screens, and one would be brighter and more vivid
than the other two, or there would be some combination thereof,
and that would indicate the current likelihood of whatever scenario you were seeing.
Is that roughly accurate?
That's very accurate.
For me, in my visionary process, is that these three screens are like a time stream.
I've learned, for example, that dreams can occur while you're totally awake or asleep.
and there are these multiple streams that are going on.
During the day we are usually fixed on work or relationships or whatever we are doing and
so we kind of close out the general stream of consciousness. Not as sensitive as a
brick. Yeah, and so what happens for me is that three streams come through and the streams, for
example if I am looking at an individual I will see three aspects of some part of that
person's life. Let's say it is that person's health. I might see that person very
gray, very muted colors. I might see very specific energy colors around certain organs. If I
then just kind of shift my eyes and again it is like looking at a movie. It is like
watching three television monitors.
I look at the center one and I kind of see them as they are now. If I move it to the
right I kind of see their probable future.
So I've learned that what I'm looking at is the present them, the worst case scenario of them, and the probable outcome.
So I might say to that person, this is what I see, and if you change this, do this, or go see this doctor, or make this change, you'll find that this will occur.
You did that for a long time for people, didn't you?
Yeah, I did a little over 10,000 sessions for people.
After 82, I finally accepted the fact of what was going on with me, and I said, I've got to find some benefit of this, or I'm going to go totally bonkers.
And then I realized when someone came to visit me and told me that I could do these things, and I looked at this person with total disbelief, And after an hour with the person, he smiled and shook my hand and stood up and proceeded to tell me that he was a doctor, he was an M.D.
and what I was telling him was valid.
And so I worked with several physicians for the years and did a lot of these sessions using that same process.
Now these people would come back maybe after six months or three months and I would look again and I would see that That many of them had changed.
So, somehow, it wasn't predestined.
Somehow, they made some kind of a conscious or subconscious move to visit with me, and then the second part was they took responsibility and they did something.
And then, therefore, it improved their life.
About a third of the cases that we did, we found that no matter what I said or anybody said, nothing was going to change.
They were aware of things, but there was another program running in them that somehow wasn't allowing that.
And I learned by looking at the first image, which would have been their past, or past life, that this was something that they brought in as karma.
Somehow they were working it through.
And it was going to have to happen?
It was going to continue to happen.
I spent probably more time on those than I did on the other group, because I I learned in my own life, for example.
I mean, I cured myself of several major diseases through this ability that I had.
I had chronic asthma, and I totally cured it, you know.
And so, for these people, it was, if they would accept what was going on, then they could start to deal with it.
And there were, we did have cases where people did change their life.
In 1991, that whole process or that part of the visionary thing stopped instantly.
Stopped?
It just stopped.
I had a dream and the dream said, you no longer will be doing this.
And this voice in my dream, I call it the Moses voice because it never has a face.
It just sounds like, you know, like Calvin Heston, you know, his kind of a voice.
It's like an authority figure in my dreams and I pay attention to it.
It's like it was telling you this phase has ended and this phase on the program has too.
We're at the top of the hour, so relax.
We'll be right back to you.
Gordon Michael Scallion is my guest and there are some rather sharp things ahead in the road.
I'm Art Bell.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
Michael Scallion, in the middle of a business meeting, lost his voice.
It just flat went away in the middle of a presentation.
They took him to the hospital.
He had Some serious experiences in the hospital.
He saw visions, he saw a woman who told him certain things were going to happen within 30 days.
They did happen.
In successive years, he treated as many as 10,000 people.
With what he saw and was able to see about these people, medical things, what was wrong with them.
What might correct it under some conditions.
About two-thirds of the time.
And then that phase ended, that predictive medical help phase ended and another phase began.
Gordon saw things, the easy way to explain it is three TV screens with three possible futures for an individual or for a continent or I suppose the world and One of these screens would be brighter than the others, or perhaps there would be gradients between them, and the brightest would be the most likely, and so forth.
I think you get the idea.
At any rate, the phase with helping people personally ended, and then what happened, Gordon?
Then I began to have a series of nightmares.
Again, I had this one dream where I was told that that part of my life, that work that I was doing was over, and that I would very shortly have a new series of things that I would be doing and would need to do.
And it was very vague, rather.
So the second night, I began to see the Earth as the same way that I would see people through screens.
Three different lengths.
And each night, I would see things happening, such as volcanoes would erupt.
And then I would look at a city, for example, and I would see the city in one color, and the other two screens would be different colors.
One would be very vibrant, the other would be almost gray or black.
Just the way you'd seen people.
Same way.
And it was at that point that I... It just hit me.
I mean, I should have known this all my life as a child.
I just didn't.
I didn't get it.
But I realized that the Earth was sentient.
It was a living entity with unconsciousness.
Obviously different than ours, but yet able to communicate just as we do if we only took the time to listen.
And I think the native peoples of the world have always done that.
And I just think in our busy society, we have just shut down so many things of our awareness.
All right, well, here's something that seriously freaked me out.
You began recording your visions in your newsletter.
When did you start doing that?
How long ago?
That was right after the nightmares.
Nightmares were 29 days exactly.
On the 29th day, I woke up and I said, I'll do anything to stop these nightmares, because I was seeing, you know, major earth changes.
Up to that point, I didn't know what Earth Changes really was.
I mean, I heard the term, but it didn't register with me.
And I sat down, and I started writing what I felt I understood from these nightmares.
And that day, I produced the very first Earth Changes report.
Sent it out to 100 people that day.
Went to the local copy shop.
And I said, please read this.
I've met you in my life.
You came to me for a meeting or, you know, we met.
You're a friend.
And tell me if you think this has any validity.
And if you do, my next step would be is that I would make this available to others.
And within, oh, probably six weeks or seven weeks, those hundred copies had been copied hundreds, if not thousands of times.
And then within three months, Uh, it became an international newsletter.
Um, and then I began to put my insights into it.
Um, always stating that, you know, I still see these three different visions of all things.
And I think that how we act in our communities and how we act with technology and the misuse of technology can alter this.
And, um, eventually that led to me creating a map of the North America and then later a map of the world showing picture that I saw was one of those screens, one of the
future pictures.
I said, this is the most probable outcome of the destiny of Earth.
But I believe it can be lessened depending on how we interact with the Earth.
And so since 1991, that has been the path to simply put out the visions that I see and
showing options that I believe we can do to modify.
How many people get that newsletter now?
It's read by about 80,000 people.
80,000.
Well, one of those 80,000, or actually several of them, in a panic, sent me a copy of your July just released newsletter.
And I read that and kind of freaked out a little bit.
And then within hours, I got a call confirming that two Hopi elders Uh, who have never done any broadcast anywhere and probably never would.
Wanted very, very much to come on the air.
They felt that what they were seeing was so close, so close in, time-wise, time-frame-wise, that they no longer had any choice and, uh, their conscious, conscience dictated that they had to go public and they're scheduled to come on the air on the 15th.
And they think big changes are coming in July.
And so I read your newsletter and I said something I can't repeat here on the air.
And that's when I thought, boy, we better get you on the air.
As we get closer to events, like when I saw the three visions, the person would come back and the colors of those visions might change.
And eventually I might only see two screens instead of three.
Telling me that they've eliminated that possibility.
And so, I also noticed that as we get closer to events, the time stream that we're seeing, you know, in 1982, you know, I made some little bold predictions based on what I saw.
You know, I predicted that this was going to happen in Russia, and the Berlin Wall, and several other things.
And I also, back in 1982, said that as we enter the 90s, we're going to see the Earth, massive weather changes, Volcanoes going off, earthquakes, and it was just going to accelerate.
That was a long time stream, but I saw it in a big block of years.
As we get closer, we can define the years from maybe 20 years down to a couple of years.
As we get within the year of a particular event, we can now start to define that a lot tighter, because the probability of that event is you either get stronger or weaker.
And we can then look at it and say, This is what happens.
We can now start to see it.
In my particular case, I saw the Ring of Fire, which is a section of the world, that goes around the world, where the plate tectonics meet.
And it's where we see most of the world's volcanoes occurring.
And, of course, the west coast of California is all part of that illusion.
South America.
So that's where we see all these events continuously happening.
And I saw fireworks.
I saw the Ring of Fire.
I saw volcanoes going off.
And then I saw fireworks.
It was like a... And I knew immediately it was like July.
You know, so that was one of those little images that said... And of course, The West Coast of California is all part of that.
Oh, I see.
Illusions of South America.
So that's where we see all these events continuously happening.
And I saw fireworks.
I saw the Ring of Fire.
I saw volcanoes going off.
And then I saw fireworks.
It was like a... And I knew immediately it was like July.
So that was one of those little images that said, I think that in July it's going to begin.
In other words, you're going to start to see a major acceleration in July.
Some things, Gordon, already have begun.
Since we last spoke, there has been an easily discernible and, I think, profound change in the weather.
I mean, it's really changed.
I used to say that I thought the weather was going to change, and permanently so, and profoundly, and people would laugh.
Today, they're not laughing.
NBC, as a matter of fact, had a lead story, not this last night, but the night before, Saying exactly that, that the weather they now believe is changing and, as far as we're concerned, permanently.
We've had the jet stream actually come down and touch the ground producing winds of 130 miles an hour.
I don't have to document all the changes that have been occurring recently, but the weather recently has been really, really just completely atypical.
It is all part of the trigger that is causing all of this which has not been addressed by
any country let alone ours.
That is that currently the word had been that El Nino, the secular condition was causing
this and what I have been reporting for well over 15 years is that the weather patterns
of El Nino and others are not caused by winds that simply change their conditions based
on the time of year.
It is really driven by tectonic movement, undersea volcanism in particular and it triggers
into activity by certain alignments particularly with Mars and Uranus.
When those planets are in a particular configuration we get the trigger possibilities and if the
tectonic system is stressed then we get this release.
All of this is, in turn, part of this destiny, if you will, of the Earth and the Sun.
Right?
The volcanism has been increasing as well.
The volcanism, we have several things that just are new.
I mean, we've had extremely deep earthquakes.
You know, 500 plus kilometer earthquakes.
I mean, very deep.
We've had major volcanism going off.
You know, South America, Mount St.
Helens right now has gotten, you know, it's going through, it's swarms of earthquakes again.
Yeah, you know about that.
Mammoth Lakes is active again, and as you recall, 5.1.
The Mammoth Lakes area would become a volcano.
Yeah.
And it looks like, you know, we're moving in that direction.
So we're seeing, everything is heating up.
It's heating up.
And what the overall driving force behind all of these changes, and the weather, And the fact that it would be the norm now, rather than the exception of weather changes, is that there is a major change going on in the sun.
The sun's magnetic field is being altered as part of this grand cycle, destiny if you will, that I was talking about.
That in turn, induces a change into the earth.
And so the earth's magnetic field is beginning to prepare for a change as well.
The earth and the sun talk to each other magnetically.
You can't alter one without affecting the other.
You know, sunspots and solar storms and things of that nature are really derived or generated by what we do on Earth.
You're a ham, I'm a ham.
Have you been watching, you know, we're in the Ascension portion now of Cycle 23.
And, boy, are you ever right.
We've got a lot of links up to what's going on in the sun, and there's some really bizarre stuff.
CNN, earlier today, was running a story about this incredible ejecta from the sun that just occurred.
It's been occurring on a regular basis, along with a lot of X-class events.
Some of the photographs of the sun, the X-ray emissions from the sun, are incredible.
Absolutely incredible.
You're right.
Absolutely correct.
Something's going on in the sun.
We also have two satellites parked up there, SOHO and another one that are constantly looking at the sun.
So we're getting instrumentation and data that we didn't have 23 years ago.
That's true.
So we can look at this thing as well as looking at some earthbound ghosts.
But now we can measure, we can see things.
We can see something that they have on the sun called solar earthquakes, which is now a new thing.
We're looking at something that we just didn't focus on before, that something is going on in the
sun. That, of course, like I said, induces these changes into the earth. This really began in
a significant way in the 30s.
Then again in the late 80s there was another eruption. So it goes in stages.
In July I believe we are going to see another major stirring of the pot. I would fully expect
that the kind of things that we are going to see is a major release in the ring of fire
of multiple volcanoes going off.
Multiple.
At any given time, there are many volcanoes in some stage of activity.
Etna, for example, now in Italy is bubbling.
And there are many other volcanoes that are coming to life.
But we're going to see that in mass.
Mount Poco in Mexico, a Central American volcano went off the other day.
A volcanism in Japan is on the increase.
As you pointed out, Mount St. Helens is rumbling.
Now, maybe you can explain to me why it is that a volcanism appears to be...
The simple mind draws a picture, I do, that somewhere down in the earth all of this is
connected and all of this activity is beginning simultaneously for some reason.
What's going on down there?
Well, the land we sit on, the crust, is not very thick.
You know, it's a 30 kilometer or so kind of a shell.
It's like an egg.
And we're walking on the shell of the egg.
And then as we get down to various layers, we start to get to what we call the more familiar magma.
And any time magma is displaced, and this magma moves like rivers, and many sensitive people and dowsers can actually track the movement of this magma.
When we see a volcano going off, a vent going off someplace, my visions are showing that that can be connected thousands of miles away to another vent.
What you see is simultaneously you'll see volcanoes go off in opposite sides of the world.
Always in the same stress area.
So matter kind of finds its way up to the surface wherever it can.
Now in the ocean, we've discovered this past decade that most of the volcanoes are not above ground, they're in the ocean.
That's right.
And of course this is what heats the water.
I mean, not if they heat the water temperature for this last millennium of excessive 12 degrees in some areas.
You just can't believe The news that's stating that this is due to the winds changing its direction.
I mean, to heat up that water, which is larger than the United States in area, that kind of heat can only be generated by a large cooker.
And that cooker is multiple vents in the ocean.
And the ocean is easier to access magma than it is from land.
It's the distance and the thickness is different.
So it's easier for the release of heat.
So from the inner portion of the Earth, heat is constantly being dissipated out and out to eventually into the atmosphere.
Now that would make sense.
In other words, at sea level, and then you have the ocean and then you have very great depths.
Indeed, so you're correct.
That would be a lot closer to the magma.
That makes sense.
Right.
Now the key thing is, what is causing the magma to stir?
What is displacing the balance of the Earth?
And is this a cycle?
Now we know, for example, by taking ice core samples, and just core samples, and measuring the magnetite
in these samples, we know that the Earth's magnetic field changes, and in many cases, perhaps thousands of cases,
it reverses its direction.
And it seems to occur on a cycle of about 10,000 or 12,000 years.
A pole reversal.
A magnetic pole reversal, which can be 180 degrees magnetically.
So your compass would just, by today's standards, would just spin around in the opposite direction.
So with a pole shift, the Earth doesn't flip, but the magnetic pole shifts.
It's polarity.
Just like if you're playing with the two little magnets you used to have in your icebox.
The little Scotty Dogs.
You push them together and one way attracts and one way repels.
It's the same kind of philosophy.
It flips.
Now, when that happened in the past, we know the last one was about 12,000 years ago, during the time period of the mythical sinking of Atlantis, according to Plato's work.
Um, now, so here it is, it's the 12,000 year period since the last one that we know.
Um, what I, and what my visions have shown is that the center core of the Earth is a very intense plasma.
Um, it is, and it is contained in an incredible magnetic envelope.
So it's like a bubble in the center of the Earth that has this plasma.
As you move up from the boundaries, you have magma of different levels, different intensity.
Um, now this, if you upset the center of it in the Earth, at the center core of the Earth, it gets burned out.
We're going to get at the bottom of the hour.
Hold that, and we'll come right back to that point.
I'm making all the decisions I need to realize, yes, because I have faith, I have faith in
only Him.
Gordon, you were talking about plasma and magma within the earth, and apparently you
believe that this is affected in cycle by the sun.
Is that roughly correct?
That is correct.
I believe just as the Earth has its seasons, and we also go through various changes throughout the millennium, the Sun does too.
The sun has its seasons and it has its cycles.
And those cycles at certain points in their passage, certain years, millennium, become pronounced.
It's kind of like a pendulum.
The way I like to explain it is that you can imagine like a grandfather's clock.
If you can imagine that the grandfather's clock, that long pendulum, is the sun over the earth
and it swings up to its farthest point and then momentum will bring it back
and it swings to the opposite direction.
Sure.
And if you can see those as polarities, then you can kind of get an understanding
of what is going on now.
It's like the sun and the earth and our planet and our solar system are moving through the heavens,
literally meeting destiny.
You know, it's a cycle.
It's a cycle and cycles will happen they were on the planet or not on the planet.
However, we can either add to the cycle or we can take away from the cycle.
We have an input into the cycle of how it performs.
What precisely, Gordon, do you see for July?
What do you see happening?
The things that I saw leading up to July were probably just as important as July and August and September.
Okay.
There's a window here of about Three months.
And in June, which we just entered into, the things that I had stated in my newsletter was that we would begin to see volcanoes come alive.
We would start to see more weather erraticness, even though the reports would be that El Nino is, you know, usually a cycle.
And we would still see this massive weather pattern changes, and we would see winds everywhere.
You know, like tornadoes would occur, and of course, you know...
When did you write this?
In the newsletter?
The predictions for over a year ago for this particular time period,
for the, you know, so in January of the year, in December of last year, I made predictions about May 8th.
Okay, now...
But very specifically when I started talking about July, that would have been written around May 2nd.
Around May 2nd.
And then it goes to a printer on the 13th of May.
So the copyright date is the 13th.
I lose my hands and the printer has it on the press.
That's the official copyright date.
All of these things have already manifested.
I mean, we're in the middle of them right now.
It will be done and it will increase.
I think that as we get closer to mid-July and August, hopefully I will see more stuff
and I will post that on my website or I will have it in a special edition of our newsletter.
There's two roads here in North America that I'm most concerned about.
I think we're going to have, for example, a much earlier hurricane season that will be devastating.
Land-based hurricanes, which I've been predicting for over five years, that hurricanes would become more land-based.
I can remember seeing CNN and the Weather Channel last year, just watching the storms come into the West Coast one after another.
Like a freight train.
That's right.
And then seven years ago, when we saw the same thing happen over, coming off of Africa, going to the States, we're going to see more landfall hurricanes, more tornadoes.
That's going to be significant.
It's going to increase in July exponentially.
Hard to even predict the numbers.
I just see water and wind everywhere.
And then, There's two areas that I'm really concerned about that need to be watched and people need to, I think, listen to their own intuition and their own common sense and prepare accordingly.
And that is the West Coast in particular, California, because that's, again, out of the ring of fire, and the area of Long Island and New York City, another area that really needs to be watched.
I believe that the tectonic plates are going to actually shift sometime this year and probably the beginning portions of it will occur in July, you know, to begin to shutter first.
So we're going to see some warning stuff.
If we see quakes in Manhattan, Long Island, Connecticut of the range of four to five,
which are obviously not common, then those should be seen as a warning sign.
I think we will see multiple ones of those, kind of like a little swarming.
Then the entire West Coast, everything from Vancouver, British Columbia, all the way down to the Baja,
I see that being incredibly stressed.
Then the third area, which is probably the part of where you are,
that is, if you look at your map and you look at the Great Salt Lake itself,
so that would be west of Salt Lake City.
If you drew a line from that region, like Salt Lake City was at one point, and you drew a line to Bakersfield and carried that line out to the ocean, just a straight line there, along that line, I think we're going to see Uh, major activity.
Uh, I would fully expect that Mammoth Lake area is going to heat up and we're going to literally start to see some venting that's going to occur in there.
Well, within the last 48 hours, we had a 5.1 at Mammoth.
Yeah, I saw the, uh, the report that came through.
Uh, we, uh, in 93, we began, one of our warnings, long-term warnings, was to watch for Mammoth Lakes for any kind of swirling of quakes and heating.
Uh, And so we've been watching that very carefully.
We also set to watch for Aetna and also watch the Caribbean Islands.
If we see volcanic activity in Aetna and the Caribbean Islands, because I believe they're connected together, then that was, to me, was the final warning sign.
Of course, we don't have that situation.
You know, we've, we've, Seurat's devastated.
Aetna has been in a state of activity for, for years.
Um, but there's indications now that we're seeing, you know, some new stuff happening there.
Um, all of the warning signs that I had published in the Earth Changes Report and my book, Notes from the Cosmos, those things are now happening.
In other words, I was given this information that took me up to the year 98.
Right.
Then, at that point, it was the information I received only fine-tuned that.
Because it was like, okay, once you get into this period of three years the unfoldment will occur and it will
depend upon how people act of how severe it would be. So it's like I've seen the movie
I know the ending but I also know that it's like interactive media I can somehow modify the ending
somewhat.
How inevitable now I mean we're very close obviously to these changes how inevitable are they?
The changes will occur in my opinion again it's part of this the destiny of the earth.
If we take ourselves out of it and just look at the Earth and the planets going through cycles, and just look at it from that perspective, we tend to want to, as a human race, we tend to want to control everything.
We would like to believe that we can control the weather, and in many cases that is totally possible.
We can do it.
But at what cost?
In other words, when you're taking a recycle of a sentient being and you're modifying it, do you really negate it?
Or does that energy then shift some other place?
Does it then become worse?
You know, rather than respecting the land, respecting technology, you know, and not stop beating micro-energies into the atmosphere, stop making nuclear bombs, You know, a really interesting thing happened.
You know, Pakistan and India fired off a whole series of atomic bombs.
I know.
Now, what I found really interesting is the earthquake activity that occurred right afterward.
In Afghanistan, I found it interesting, too, and I also found it very interesting that none of the American media, none of them, Gordon, commented on the correlation between the Pakistani series and the quake in Afghanistan.
Nobody said a word.
Well, it's not a popular thing.
I mean, we're more interested, you know, in a soap opera than we are interested in taking control and command of our life, our family, our cities.
You know, we're fixed on anything that takes us away from ourselves.
Because if we have to stop and really look at what we're doing and how we're each part of it, then we have to take some kind of action.
You know, we are responsible collectively and individually for everything that's going on.
And while we can look and fake blame on governments and right-wings and left-wings and such, we really still have to look into it, at what we can do individually.
What can we do in the community?
Are you part of the process in the community for elected officials?
Are you aware of the school?
Are you active in your school with your children?
These things are the greatest thing I've seen to bring about change.
And I think, in the end, While it is inevitable, in my opinion, that these things will occur, many communities, I think, will fare fairly well through these changes.
And we're going to find that, I mean, we have files, literally, literally tens of thousands of letters of people who have moved.
I have so many people from Japan, we have a very large audience in Japan, and also people who live in North Virginia who moved out of their Just prior.
Sure.
They got exposed to something that I had said, but their own dreams and intuitions said, get out.
You know, you have to listen within.
If the inner voice within you says, none of this is true, it's not going to happen, then you need to follow whatever that is.
However, if it also says, I should prepare, I can do some basic things, do some self-sufficiency, some survival things, I can rethink things, then I think, regardless of what happens, You're going to be at the right place at the right time.
When I ask you how inevitable, if we go back to the screens that you see, when you began to look at the near-term changes, when they began to seem very near-term, as in beginning in July, how definitive were the pictures you were getting?
I was hoping you were going to ask that one tonight.
Each December I do a special meditation with family and sometimes some friends for predictions
for the upcoming year.
It's a very deep trance state.
As you know, I'm limited to my own physical strength these days so I have to take it easy.
At that time, one of the questions that was asked to me was, what did the screen show?
And the response that came back from one of my guides was that it now unfolds and that there are many other things in there that could be done, should be done, but I was bringing it back to community.
I see one screen now, only one screen.
And that screen shows volcanoes?
It shows the Earth pretty much as the map that you have in your possession there.
I do indeed.
You have one by your hot tub I think, if I remember correctly.
How did you know that?
You told me.
Did I tell you that?
Yeah, I thought you said it for a future thing or that.
You told me.
But that, it's really close to it.
The variables in there will be the exact position of the coastlines.
I mean, we will move up to pretty close to a third of the United States landmass.
Is this going to be...
As the result, I mean, the weather, the wind, the tornadoes, the hurricanes, and the earthquakes, all of this is occurring, but what you're describing would take probably a pole shift to accomplish.
Yeah, I know.
I know.
You're right on.
Let me just read a very short paragraph.
This was a copy in 1987 on the first edition of this book.
When I first released it I did the same thing.
I did 100 copies of it and sent it to various editors, publishers and friends.
The response was so negative that I threw it in the drawer and said why did I spend a year writing this?
Nobody was willing to hear. Many things were happening at that time.
Then about seven months ago we released it because the questions were just so much.
So much was happening and I wanted to answer all the questions that people had been calling and writing me for
years.
This is the paragraph that my dream teacher and my guide asked me when I was thinking about doing the Earth Changes
Report.
When I was thinking about Earth change at the time, I was seeing these visions and I wanted to know... I went to bed that night saying, why am I seeing these things?
Here's the response.
The magnetic pole shift is already under way.
It began in the mid-1930s as a result of a shift in the position of the Earth's core relative to the pole star, which would be Polaris, currently.
Death and earthquakes and volcanoes are caused by electromagnetic forces several pole shifts.
A tectonic movement is only a reaction to these forces.
What you have seen in your visions can aid the many.
Others shall come forward now to increase awareness.
Here's your Hopi friends coming forward to you.
Mm-hmm.
Increase awareness of the coming procession and the solar cycle in the beginning of a new age.
This is to be a millennium of peace and greater light for all.
And yet, as has been indicated to you often, if community is born anew,
if there is a spiritual ideal for each entity, if an intuition is followed by each,
then indeed, such a cataclysm as your witness can be lessened.
I responded in my guide, I said, well, can it be eliminated?
The response was, all things are possible.
You have witnessed the most probable future Earth.
Whether it comes to pass depends upon the people.
We're on the people now.
So that passage from Milton to Cosmos It was the impetus for me to eventually release the information that I had had for years, but was afraid to.
And it is directly related to a pole shift.
That this was something that had already begun.
And that it would manifest itself in 1998 in very significant ways.
In other words, we would literally know that this is going on.
It is my belief, through my phone conversations with people at JPL and NASA Other people quietly call me who are working on the Soho Project and others.
From what they're telling me is that it is known that there are magnetic changes in the Sun and the Earth currently going on, and they're studying it.
That's the response.
That's all they're saying?
Yeah.
I had a message earlier today that says, the Girls 8 and 9 spacecraft's solar electron flux levels are currently going totally off scale.
Something is brewing on the sun.
The thing that I saw um
when I wrote my July issue and most of my summer concerns
was that I saw um
the the poles at the sun
starting to decay.
Now currently the magnetic field of the earth has been in this in a constant state of decay.
Again, it's part of a normal cycle.
Right.
But usually what's happened in the past is when it's decayed, it's like getting ready to flip in a new direction.
Now, when you say flip, there's very little or no disagreement in the scientific community that polar reversals take place.
Is it your view that they take place Uh, when that final moment comes, nearly instantaneously, or is it a longer period of time?
I think, uh, much of it depends upon, um, the particular, uh, energies that play to the cycle.
For example, uh, about every 12,000 years, we have some kind of a magnetic shift.
So it's like, the stresses are in place, how the Earth responds can vary.
I mean, in the past, I think ice was responsible for a pole shift, not necessarily just a magnetic
pole shift, but an actual geocentric shift.
In this particular case, I do not see the magnetic poles shift in 180 degrees either
rapidly or slowly.
What I do see is a series of jerks.
It's like a pressure reveal from the sun to cause a reaction.
If the Earth's core and its field and its tectonic system can shift and move to release
this stress and strain so that a new field can be established, it would be a new system.
It won't flip 180 degrees.
My visions, in fact, have shown that it's going to go in a series of six or seven degree jerks, three of them, moving westerly.
All right.
On that note, we have to move westerly.
Hold on, Gordon.
Gordon Michael Scullion is my guest.
We will be right back.
♪♪♪ Uh, Gordon, you said that, um, there'll be a series of
three, perhaps, magnetic shifts of six degrees or so.
As this occurs, the average guy and gal out there wants to know how that's going to affect me.
It may be planetarily.
You cannot make a change, even fractionally, in the magnetic field.
We've seen the fractional change that's causing all of these problems right now.
All of that is basically a fraction of a degree that's already shifted.
When you get a big jump of 6 or 7 degrees, the kind of things that will happen is that just prior to that, things will get quiet for a while.
I mean you'll see a period of increased activity, increased activity and then it will just die
off.
Like a volcano coming to life and all of a sudden it just draws back.
Then you'll see winds.
Winds will start picking up.
You'll see massive changes.
The biggest changes that I see and the biggest concerns are weather related changes.
You'll immediately change the jet streams, you're going to immediately change ground
temperatures.
It's going to shift and you're going to have a new ecosystem.
So regardless of where you are on the planet, these effects are going to occur.
Besides the winds and the erratic weather, these changes will be very abrupt.
There will be one and then there may be a period of several weeks or months before the
second one and then the third one will occur.
I see these occurring within a period of about three years, between 1998 and 2001.
Are they abrupt?
Each of them, are they abrupt or they are?
They are abrupt.
The beginnings of those I believe occurred in the 30s and then I believe it occurred
again in the late 80s and I believe it occurred again in the mid 90s.
I think we've seen three very small shifts, little jolts I would call them.
a quiet time period and now it's getting prepared to do I think its first jolt which again will
occur sometime within the three year window.
And when this comes there will be high winds, there will be volcanic action I guess, there
will be tectonic movement?
Correct.
Tectonic movement as I just read from the notes in the cosmos is directed by magnetic
forces, electromagnetic forces is what is the driving force.
And all of this in turn affects the basic elements, earth, air, water, fire.
When those things are put out of proportion in any fashion, any one of them, you then
increase pressures and then tectonic plates move.
And so we're going to, of course anywhere in the world where there is stress, you get
And of course, most of our populations are on coastal areas.
That's right.
And so, you're going to see it, and most people, at least in the United States, tend to think of, we're out on the West Coast.
It's not going to bother me here in Texas, or it's not going to bother me here in New York.
And yet, that's not at all what I'm seeing.
I'm just seeing that It occurs first on the West Coast because it's the most stressed area.
Right.
But it will affect the East Coast as well as other continents.
Well, you must have looked at your own situation, selfishly at least.
New Hampshire?
Yeah, I would like very much to tell you, and you're listening, that I made this conscious decision years ago as a result of what I saw.
Unfortunately, as I state in my book, that's not what happened.
I had a series of dreams that showed me a map and told me to go up to this specific area.
They didn't say why.
They just said, you need to go to this area.
And I didn't pay any attention to it.
And then it just repeated itself.
And finally, I drove up.
And basically, I've always lived in a city.
And a real life was not something That was part of my plan.
My plan was to be on the water always.
I looked at it and said this is way too isolated.
It never stopped.
The dreams were at least once or twice a week.
I was in the Navy for about a year and we found that things in our lives had changed.
We needed to move.
I said this was the perfect opportunity to go back to the Gulf Coast, Florida and live.
I had the experience where I still felt good in the sun and enjoyed the salt water and
enjoyed sailing.
I wanted to go back with my family.
The doors just weren't open to me.
Finally, in desperation, we went to build a house.
In desperation, we went back up here and drove by a place.
All of a sudden, I found myself turning up this driveway.
driveway.
Not knowing why, and, uh, and putting him out, and I said, uh, you know any land or property for sale?
He said, yeah.
He said, this place is.
And, uh, so, looking back with hindsight now, I could see, um, I could see the reasons why.
Uh, this helped me learn about community, self-sufficiency, gardening, It led me to live the things that I would in the future be talking about.
Instead of talking about it, I actually lived these things.
When you and I did a show previously, you said you saw on the West Coast visions of shattered glass.
You saw thousands or millions of refugees coming from California over the mountains.
Uh, does that vision remain the same?
Yes, that's, um, and even in a non-visual sense, if we just look at recent occurrences that have occurred in cities, we can see what happens when the ground shakes.
You can get a building sway if you've engineered it correctly, like in Japan and some of the new construction in the West Coast, that we can take a force, you know, 6, 7, or even an 8 earthquake, Well, the quakes I see are going to be 10, 12, 15 in the future.
So, when these buildings start swaying and you get winds that whip up 200, 300 miles an hour, you're going to see these glass panes popping out.
And I would see them in the streets.
They would set up the streets and they would bury cars in shattered glass.
And then I saw caravans of cars with lights on.
Is this likely to begin to occur with the first shift?
into what I call tent cities, established on the border of California and Nevada.
And they're just streams of traffic on the highways.
Just tents set up by, you know, like the military was banging huge tents,
you know, thousands of tents.
Is this likely to begin to occur with the first shift?
Yes. Yeah, it'll occur.
There'll be some major shaking quakes that will occur first.
And more than likely, it will begin this summer.
At least the quakes will begin this summer.
The actual date of the shift, I'll have to wait until I get something that's more definitive.
I just know the window of it.
But I'm quite certain that we're going to see major quakes.
things that are going to be greater than seven in the United States this summer.
I think we will start to see those patterns occur.
With the exception of what occurred just the other day at Mammoth, it has been eerily quiet.
Frankly, the earth is breathing.
It is like if you watch a volcano erupt.
First you get the swarms of quakes, the ground heating, and if you watch the movies of Mount St. Helens,
Helens, you can actually see it bulging out.
Yes.
And once it begins, you can make some predictions scientifically.
You can say, well, I think that a release in this area and this, you know, you think certain things will happen.
But you still don't know exactly what.
You just know the mechanisms are there visibly to see what's going on.
And then things let go.
We were in that kind of a pattern where I think last December it began.
I think we talked about it last year, and I said, watch for summer activity first, that I thought would occur in December.
Yes.
And we did have some massive flares.
Oh, yes.
So that was the start.
That's what actually began it.
When that thing happened, I said, all right, and then I looked, and I didn't see those other screens any longer.
I said, it's begun.
So the official date for me was November, December of 97, when it unfolded.
Alright, here's a question for you that I don't know that I've ever asked you before.
We're beginning to now get some pretty good scientific indications of what's going on.
Now, there has been no announcement, but at some point, do you think that our government will become aware, certainly they're looking at the sun carefully now, they're seeing these changes, they're seeing the weather changes, and they must privately I don't think we're going to see that.
Including some things now, and I wonder if at any point you would imagine an official
announcement from our government I don't think we're going to see that I am I think in many
many circles both inner and In the defense industry that
So much is known when you consider the ramifications of
Even if what I'm saying even a small portion of it I would say has happened
It would alter the economy of the world Of course.
Um, and so, you know, even before we get to politics, we just talk about massive weather changes, the insurance industry would go broke.
It's already, it's already occurring, Gordon.
Yeah.
I just got a fax earlier tonight from somebody, if I can find the darn thing, I read it.
Their insurance company just notified them that their wind coverage...
Oh yeah, here, let me read this to you.
Alright, just today we received a letter from our insurance company which basically said
that they are changing our wind coverage and deductible.
Of course this is advertised to be to our advantage, but when you read the fine print, it's not.
Or if they know what's going to occur, they're preparing for it, leaving us to fend for ourselves.
What Gordon mentioned in September about insurance being unable to provide the coverage is already beginning to happen.
It just happened to me.
Well, I believe, um, back here we get a lot of correspondence and faxes and email on people's experiences.
I can only You know, one of the things that I recommended a year ago is getting secondary insurance with a secondary carrier.
Lots of times you can actually insure the insurance.
So, in my own case, I have a very major carrier.
I have an international carrier and I also have a secondary smaller carrier.
If all things happen, it won't matter.
I mean, the worst case scenario is that It just doesn't matter.
People just don't pay mortgages and everything kind of stops.
We're talking here about cataclysmic kind of events.
But I think that in the early stages, at least, that insurances are still good, but I recommend that people back it up, especially if anybody is in the postal area.
At the most, it buys people time.
I think that is the most important thing.
I think that is the most important thing.
Is into how you can work with your family, work with the community, do the best you can, and realize that each and every person came in with a gift, and whatever that gift is, you need to use it.
Ultimately, if all of these changes occur, where I am located, I'm about 20 miles from Death Valley.
Tell you something interesting, Gordon, we haven't had a summer yet.
Dove Valley, as you know, during the summer should be rising to, we should be way over 100 right now.
We've had a lot of days where we don't break 70, and we're still not.
It might be crawling just above that now.
But we haven't had summer yet.
Something's really strange out here.
And I'm wondering about my own little area, selfishly asking, when all these changes occur, what does my area look like?
Well, I think I told you during the break and the last time we were on the air that
I actually had a vision while we were talking and I asked to talk to you during the break
because I thought it was confidential and I feel very unselfishly.
That was when I saw initially you...
I think I told you that I had a vision and I thought you were the one that had it.
Uh, if...
If all these changes occur, where I am located, I'm about 20 miles from Death Valley.
I'll tell you something interesting, Gordon.
We haven't had a summer yet.
Death Valley, as you know, during the summer, should be rising to, we should be way over 100 right now.
We've had a lot of days where we don't break 70, and we're still not.
It might be crawling just above that now.
But we haven't had summer yet.
Something's really strange out here.
And I'm wondering about my own little area, selfishly asking, when all these changes occur, what does my area look like?
Well, I think I told you during a break in our last time we were on the air that I actually had a vision while we were talking.
And I asked to talk to you during the break because I thought it was confidential.
And you unselfishly shared it with your audience.
That way, what I saw initially, you and your network, your radio network, giving people a lot of support and hope.
The kind of thing that hand radio operators do during disasters, you both have done.
That's how you do it on a very large scale.
But eventually, I saw you out of there.
I saw you in the middle of the country.
Initially you stayed until probably the last minute as long as you could.
That's probably what I would do.
I would stay for as long as I possibly could.
And I'm not even sure then that I would leave.
I don't know.
I really thought a lot about that and I'm not exactly sure what I would do.
But I would certainly stay here and help as much as I could.
We had a hurricane that raged up the East Coast, hit Virginia.
We talked to a lot of people through the night, and that one was terrible.
We talked to a lot of people who were frozen in Chicago this last winter, stuck on the freeway.
So I've done a lot of that kind of thing.
And I would do it.
Of course I would do it.
I mean, that's one of the reasons that I'm here, I'm sure.
How long I would hang in there, I'm not sure about that part.
Uh, probably as long as I possibly could and then maybe survival instincts would take over and I'd move, but ultimately I would have to move or I wouldn't be here is what you're saying, right?
Correct.
Yeah.
Alright, hold on, we're at the bottom of the hour, and we'll be right back.
Gordon Michael Scallion is my guest.
Do you hear echoes of what you heard from other guests?
I sure do.
Really loud ones.
I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AF.
Now Gordon, pretty specific stuff like, uh, I please ask Gordon, what he feels are the effects of the electromagnetic pulse associated with atomic testing on the planet as a whole, Uh, and, uh, effects on the upcoming Earth changes.
The, um, anything that we do, um, to alter the elements, and again the elements are Earth, Air, Wind, Fire, um, anything we do to change those, um, upsets the balance of the Earth and will accelerate activities.
Electromagnetically, There are so many sensitives out there who are able to tell when an earthquake is going to happen, or when a volcano is going to go off.
We used to hear more about this about people with weather, you know, their bunions would hurt, or they'd get migraines, and they'd tell you when a storm was coming.
Sure.
Now we're seeing that more and more people are becoming sensitive to electromagnetic changes, and electromagnetic pollution.
The nuclear blast sends shockwaves out.
The way I look at it is, imagine the Earth You know, um, space, kind of, you know, being suspended on a string, like a top.
Right.
You know, and imagine if you hit it, slightly, ever so slightly, it's going to echo and vibrate through.
What happens is these nuclear blasts, whether they're underground or above ground,
they are clearly more destructive to the internal core when they're underground versus above ground.
Above ground alters the elements of air, where the underground blast alters the elements of earth,
and also water and fire.
So these shockwaves go down, and these shockwaves echo, just like a bell might echo or a Tibetan bell or a gong
might echo.
And the effects of those are those waves will travel out, and anywhere there's any stressed area that it will be, it
intersects it and it adds to it.
It's almost like a weapon.
In fact, it was created as a weapon, and that's exactly what it's doing.
It's becoming an Earth-change weapon.
We can do the same thing by focusing energy into the atmosphere, for example, or the atmosphere, using other kinds of radiation.
Or we can do above-ground nuclear explosions.
All of these things cause and amplify Earth-changes.
Did you know that recently the Russians boasted that they could create cyclones?
And they made an official offer in Southeast Asia to create a cyclone, to actually create one to put out the fires.
They claimed they could do this and they have the technology in place with the satellites right now.
My vision and also my sources And I consider S.O.U.R.C.E.
to be anybody who repeatedly has provided information that's credible and you can validate it.
You can say scientific and defense news.
That's our own technology.
What they're offering is real old.
We've had that technology for a long time.
Back to the 40s.
But we could not have obtained that technology without testing it.
There's never been a weapon that has not been tested and used.
It just hasn't been.
And of course, the money flows into the defense offers, and that's where it always has been.
And so these devices are tested in some fashion.
When we see craft in the sky, we say, oh, UFOs.
Maybe, I also say, maybe also it's something that we've created.
So both things I know are valid.
Yes.
All right, here's a blatant question for you, Borden.
When will the West Coast go underwater?
Will there be any warning?
The warnings have already been given.
Before the water actually comes and the coastline gets changed, and California becomes what I call in my book, the Isles of California, about 150 of them, before those happen, Uh, the major cities, you know, San Francisco, you know, L.A.
and San Diego, down in the Baja, those things get shaken, you know, literally to the point where it's like watching a movie, you know, Escape to L.A.
or New York.
It looks like that in my vision.
So those things occur shortly before the water comes in.
Water inundations may actually occur In that line from Salt Lake to Bakersfield as well.
We may see water being displaced as land masses shift before that.
But the thing is that the next quakes that are going to come are going to be big ones.
The warning signs of the smaller ones, the ones that we predicted, such as Northridge and others, those have already occurred.
Yes.
So I fully expect now that the next ones will be the big ones.
The ones at the epicenters are right in the cities of L.A.
and San Francisco and San Diego.
So that's the West Coast.
And that will occur first?
It currently has a three-year window for these things to occur, 1998 to 2001.
And somebody asked, does Gordon foresee this danger for all of the Northeast?
In other words, Boston as he does for New York?
The first one that I have seen is actually in the New York area, Long Island, Connecticut.
That's the first one that I've seen.
It's a massive shift and something is new in terms of this summer in that area,
whether it's the weather release at that time or the rain.
But I'm very concerned about that.
The East Coast has, like Boston, Boston and Philadelphia, a few people know about it,
have had incredibly massive earthquakes in the past, a hundred years ago.
It's like a new Madrid, you know.
But the populations were very low then and we weren't building our skyscrapers and homes on landfill.
Things were different then and even so there were massive earthquakes back then, A plus range.
So we will see tectonic movement that will affect, you know, if we take a line, for example,
and draw a line from New Brunswick, a long line from New Brunswick down to, you know,
somewhere around Augusta, Georgia, just draw a general line along that path.
We're going to see a lot of land mass changes in water.
Generally, if you're on the water or close to the water, you're at high risk.
Just watch the hurricanes and you can see what's happening.
Floods, which are coming too very soon, by the way.
What about our central land masses?
What about the middle of the country?
The middle of the country fares fairly well.
You know, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, most of Texas, you know, New Mexico.
The central portion, you know, Montana, southern Canada, those do not change I mean, they go through effects, but as far as massive land mass changes, where you see, you know, land sinking and water levels rising, I don't see those in the air.
I mean, I see Earth movements.
I mean, you can't move a tectonic plate without shuddering the whole planet.
So, you know, when these things happen, you won't be able to stand wherever you are on this planet.
You won't be able to stand?
You will fall to your knees in the shuddering.
It is a shut down effect even though the event may be affecting you a thousand or five or
ten thousand miles away.
But the central portions do a lot better and then there are a lot of portions in between
where the New Mississippi will be and the East Coast.
There is a lot of area in there.
The easiest thing I was able to do was to create a map of it.
You can see it if you want to.
I think it would be a good idea to give my website address because I have the map on
there.
You can see the map?
And you can see the map, and you can click on, you can click on the continent, or wherever your crawlers are, if they're in North America, or the Caribbean, or wherever you are in the world, you can click on it, and it will pull up that section, and you can get an idea.
Alright, we're going to get that link up right now.
What is it?
It's earthchanges.com.
That's clear.
EarthChanges.com.
And how do you get to the area where the map is?
On the homepage, there's a little navigation button that says Future Maps.
You click on Future Maps, and it'll take you there.
There's another button you can click on.
It's where updates, anything I think is important that people need to know about, they can click on that.
It's called bulletins.
There's also daily Earth Changes events.
What we do is we have We then verify every piece of data through USGS or any
other government agency or private agencies.
Once we confirm an event we post that and then I comment on it when I think it is appropriate.
I am kind of like the weather person.
Kind of like what you have done in the past with emergencies.
Things you just talked about.
I kind of fine tune that and read excerpts from the book if you are interested in another
I don't know more about my background, but the website is to update the map and to keep
it posted.
If people want a 5 foot version of the map which gives them the fine details, they can
always find it through that same site.
We also have a link up right now to matrixinstitute.com.
We were kind of forced to put up 8 addresses, 8 addresses points to the same place.
The reason we were forced to do that is that we found that people were creating webpages
and claiming they were off.
We had to spend about 3 months getting web providers to get those people off the sites
and then took the versions of those.
People can get that from my name, they can get that from the newsletter's name, from
our institute's name.
SiteChanges.com is the primary site though.
Alright, I just talked to my webmaster.
He's fast.
He's really fast.
And we now have a link to earthchanges.com, so if you're used to going to my website, folks, if you want to see the map, I've got a full... How big is that map?
The map is 5 feet by 4 feet.
5 feet, that's giant.
And so many people have said, you know, why can't you just put it on an 8.5 by 11?
Well, on the website, you know, you get an idea of what it is, and you can literally see the impact of what I'm talking about, but when you're talking about the world, it's very difficult, because people really want to know where they are close to the map.
Of course.
And, you know, I took at least a period of five to six years before I ever ever considered... I had made maps for myself, but I never released it for years, because, you know, First, people weren't ready to hear it.
Second was that part of me was in denial.
You know, I was really hoping that this was, you know, this was just not going to happen, that somehow we were going to turn this around.
And so, you know, part of me says I probably waited too long, and part of me says the fact that I did it, you know, is probably the correct thing to do whenever I did it.
Uh, the Hawaiian Islands and Alaska.
I always get berated for not asking you about those.
Um, first, the Hawaiian Islands are, are, um, are born of volcanism.
Uh, there's constant... One of the places on the world where you can actually watch islands being built is the river state increasing, so it's logical to assume that that is going to increase.
I see most of those islands being severely inundated.
I think there will still be some areas at the higher elevations that will survive.
But most of them, the biggest problem I see is water movement.
When Krakatoa went off, it sent the tidal wave around the world several times.
The shockwave reverberated for, it seems like ever.
They talked about these mile-high waves that were generated from that one volcanic eruption.
Here we've got changes in the west coast, changes in Japan that I'm predicting will begin this year.
And so that's going to create waves. I think there's very high risk to wave motion.
There are warning systems in place to warn of a tidal wave.
You could have advance warnings of five hours, maybe even ten hours in some cases.
Unfortunately, I don't know where you would go except for the higher elevations.
Higher ground.
So I think everybody should, my suggestion is everybody should, wherever you are in the world,
you should just think about what would you do if it happened tomorrow?
You know, what if a hurricane came?
What if a major earthquake?
Where would you go?
What would you do?
And plan that out accordingly.
That's what we've done.
I have an emergency kit that I keep in my car.
We've developed a very strong community here in our neighborhood for growing and water.
We can get off of everything and survive here for quite a while.
You know what, Gordon?
I think that people are suddenly, and I bet you're getting it in your mail and your email too, all the communication that you get from people, thousands and tens or hundreds of thousands of people.
The Sea Crane Company sells this emergency radio of the light.
All of a sudden, about three weeks ago, it went unaccountably crazy.
I mean, when I say crazy, I mean totally beyond all reason.
And the ability of them to keep stock or even manufacture it at a fast enough rate.
And people started ordering.
Now that tells me that people are, you know, even for the thicker folks out there, the less sensitive, I'll be kind, it's beginning to sink in.
Intuitively.
You cannot turn on.
Yes, you're right.
Intuitively, more and more people are getting the message.
The other part of it is the real world data, which is what I look at.
That is that you can't turn on television without seeing some kind of a disaster show
that is based on real fact and that removes 22 tornadoes in one 24 hour time period all
around the country.
That's unheard of.
People now are saying, wow, I've got to do something.
That was the first step.
My name was the NBC piece the other night when they said the weather appears to be permanently
changing and it's as though for a lot of America, Gordon, they don't believe it until Peter
Jennings, Tom Bocaw or one of the big guys says it.
When they say it, then it's true for them.
Well, it's, um... It's now.
You know, it's not in ten years or five years.
It's now.
It's now.
And, um... I just... I have a monitor running here, by the way, which monitors email from different people around the world.
Since you mentioned the website, I'm getting all these flashes here.
You must have an incredible audience out there.
Oh, we do.
It is.
There's a message here from my server.
I want to know what's going on.
What's going on is what the comment on the screen says.
Yeah, I know.
You've got a book out.
It's called Notes from the Cosmos.
How long have you had that out?
It came out in... I started shipping it to bookstores in...
I think January.
So it's been out about six months in the stores.
Our subscribers were able to get it three months in advance of that.
And it's handed down by, you know, GameOfGun.com, Bixin, Paramount, Barnes & Noble.
Most of the big stores have it.
If people have difficulty getting it sold out, which happens continuously.
We're on our fourth printing already.
I can get a number that people can call during the day.
If they can't get it at the local bookstore.
Do you have that number now?
Yeah, it's area code 603.
603.
2-5-6 6-7-5-9.
And it's at 9 to 5 East Coast time.
Okay, area code 603-2-5-6-6-7-5-9.
Is that number also good?
You, of course, have a newsletter, which... That's good for anything.
I am a big fan of the news. I love the news. I love the news. I love the news. I love the
news. I love the news. I love the news. I love the news. I love the news. I love the
That's right.
We had a little over 7,000 phone calls.
Um, I imagine so.
I imagine so.
Um, now, listen, we're coming to the end of the hour.
Are you done, or can you stay and take a few calls?
Uh, I'm starting to get those, uh, those, those headaches that I talked about a little bit.
I don't want to go into detail, but, um, I could stay for, uh, a few calls.
All right.
I would say that they're probably on our, about a 30-minute cycle here, and then I think I'm gonna have to, uh, listen to my body.
All right, no, I understand.
Actually doing what you do, Uh, I've never been able to do that.
I have, um, since I started publishing the newsletter, um, we haven't, um, had a vacation.
I've never been able to do that. I have, um, since I started publishing the newsletter,
um, we haven't, um, had a vacation. Our days are typically from 5 in the morning until
about 12 at night.
Oh brother. Alright, hold on right there. Gordon Michael Skyan is my guest. To get a
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There are several links there.
Notes from the Cosmos, A Futurist's Insights into the World of Dream Prophecy and Intuition, MatrixInstitute.com, and then a third link, EarthChanges.com.
Click on that and you will get to the map.
Back now to Gordon Michael Scallion.
Gordon?
Okay, uh, here we go.
Uh, let's go to the lines.
First time calling a line, you're on the air with Gordon Michael Scallion.
Where are you, please?
Um, we're about 50 miles north of Anchorage, north of Alaska.
All right.
And I saw, I saw the map.
It looked like a big bike taken out of the west coast of that, uh, Alaska.
And I couldn't tell exactly where it was at, but... I guess you're asking about Alaska, and we did ask earlier.
Gordon, what do you see for Alaska?
The, uh...
Alaska abides a good description of it.
There's a good chunk of it, the Ring of Fire and part of it goes up to the Aleutian, so there's been some significant quakes and paddock activity up there.
In the Norton Sound, which borders the Tucon Delta and the White Mountains, that gets pushed in.
You're going to see that the inner portion of Alaska remains intact.
The biggest portion is the west portion of Alaska.
That's where the biggest changes are going to come in the ocean chain.
So if you can imagine that approximately Uh, maybe 15% or 20% of Alaska will be inundated either on the coast or in the expansion of, uh, north and south.
Um, the inner portions, the, uh, the Brooks Range area in, in south, uh, into, um, where the Yukon goes and the White Mountains up, that general area near Fairbanks, those areas, um, remain fairly intact.
Um, there will be, you know, rumblings and there will be, I'm going to have to go to a reference at this point in my memory.
That's the biggest threat.
The cracks are dangerous when the building falls down.
Buildings fall down and houses and dwellings fall down.
What about the Anchorage area?
I'm going to have to go to a reference at this point in my memory.
Anchorage, of course, is...
I know what it is. I'm just looking at my map here.
The Anchorage... there's a little town that I saw in a vision called Willow.
And I remember that because Willow became like the new inlet.
So Anchorage, most of Anchorage will be inundated and very heavily hit.
But again, the central portions of the mosque stay intact.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you very much.
Take care.
Unfortunately, the central portion of Alaska is not where a lot of people are.
I know.
Ronald Cardline, you're on the air with Gordon Michael Scallion.
Good morning.
Hi.
I just have a basic comment.
Sure.
Where are you?
Oh, I'm in Cottonwood, Arizona.
Okay.
I had an Indian friend, I don't know if I've said it, 15 years ago.
He used to draw maps about the earth tenders because he combined, you know, Yes.
Yes.
scientific and the like Hopi or Indian prophecies all together into what's happening
And he told 15 years ago, which a lot of people said, you know, they weren't paying attention
They said yeah, it's not gonna happen. You're crazy So I saw a map he drew years ago, which is pretty much what?
Some people are coming up with and he told about the California about the Russian. He always said there's four S's
in in Colorado.
And ironically, that's the lowest point of the Colorado River, where he said when people want to cross, there's a place called the Forest Ranch.
And it took him years of research to, you know, find this out, and he keeps on doing things.
Also, I find PBS has been a great source lately.
You have the Scientist in the Antarctic, and it's always on late night, between midnight, three o'clock in the morning.
There's not the greatest viewing audience, but it tells you, you know, what's happening with the climate changes.
And we would have scientists in the Antarctic saying, no, I would not buy property in Florida at this point in time on their shows.
Let's see, I know there was another point I wanted to make.
Well, let me make one for you.
Gordon, recently it was announced that a 75 square mile piece of the Larsen B ice shelf broke off.
Scientists are saying the remaining portion of the ice shelf is now critically unstable and could go at any time.
That was, unfortunately, that was one of our predictions that we had made published.
We basically had stated that volcanism was going to hit the pole, that we were going to see a melt-off.
We forecasted that Alaska would have a major melt off, glaciers, the shelf, and that these
are all due to undersea volcanism as this magma shifts its position due to the reorientation
of the Earth's core.
And so we will see an acceleration of that.
That will accelerate and we will see major breaking off.
And we will actually see land where we have in quite a history we have not seen land before.
Yep.
Eastern V Rockies, you're on air with Gordon Michael Scullion.
Where are you, please?
Murfreesboro, Tennessee.
Okay, welcome.
Good morning to you both.
And I have two quick questions.
One, when do you see the end or the completion of this polar magnetic change?
Okay, the window is three years, which would be 3 to 91, where the three shifts that I have seen will have completed their cycle.
However, the changes continue on into the year 2012.
Then, my visions have shown me that the Earth is settling down.
In other words, the climate, the ecosystem, everything becomes established after the year 2012.
So we will see changes, and even though the climate may change in some areas and it looks like it's permanent, it will change and change until the year 2012.
Okay, and do you see this magnetic shift affecting the computers in the future?
Yeah, one of my newsletters, I did a report on it.
I didn't understand what I was seeing when I published it, but since I published it, I've had a lot of engineers and people who work in various forms of magnetic field research have contacted me and put some insights on it.
Basically, what I've seen is large pulses ...of magnetic releases.
In other words, it's like you can imagine a solar flare, but imagine now it's the Earth.
In other words, the Earth is going to take some really... ...solar hits this year.
And if the Earth is pointing in the right direction, if the storm is aimed right at the Earth at the right time, then it's going to couple to the Earth, as it always does.
We see these things as, you know, auroral borealises, and we see satellites going down, and we see power grid being affected because we have so much wire around the planet, it's like a huge antenna.
So we're going to see that kind of stuff happening this year.
And some of these pulses I've seen just raises havoc with Um, with electronic devices.
And, um, um, I've seen cases where, at least in visions, where it, uh, it totally wiped out.
Um, the spikes were so intense.
Um, the power spikes in the power lines were, uh, even surge protection stuff, uh, in many cases couldn't operate fast enough.
And I've seen visions that just showed, um, people, uh, at terminals, you know, looking at blank screens.
Like the data has just gotten erased.
I don't know if it's a global event or whether it's an isolated event.
I just reported it as I thought.
All right, Connor.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Take care.
The rest of the Rockies, you're on air with Gordon Michael Scallion.
Hi.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Where are you?
San Clemente, California.
Okay, you're going to have to yell at us a little.
You're not too loud.
Okay.
Gordon, I was living in a Beautiful house on a cliff in Laguna Beach and I had terrible trouble for over a period of two years with just dreams and just headaches and just awful time.
That house I had to flee from because a fire came down the hill.
Possibly, I don't know if you've heard of just the changes to that area from mudslides to fires to floods.
Just like the last four years have just been really bad.
Yeah, I don't think there's probably anybody who, unless you don't have a television, that hasn't seen the peril of your area.
Yeah, it's just been devastating, and I basically moved from that house, and I'm living now in San Clemente, and there's been earthquakes off San Clemente Island.
So, you know, I'm just wondering, what do you see for the time frame for this area?
You know, Montana's looking pretty good right now.
The fact that you can formulate your question so clearly tells me that you've obviously spent a lot of time thinking about it and that some part of your intuition has already made the decision.
Yeah.
And I think it's kind of like most of us, we look for confirmations of what we're feeling in our gut, but somehow it doesn't make total logical sense until later.
You have to really listen to your gut.
You moved from our house because you saw Sure.
I am drawn back to that area just to confirm things within my own intuition or something.
It is almost like a magnet that pulls you there almost to repel you.
It is almost like already that pull has started that you talk about feeling magnetic.
You may need closure there, you may need to take a trip there for a day or a few hours
and just be quiet and still with the area and let the feeling come over you.
Lots of times we have to go back to the scene of something that was,
you know you started your question by saying it was such a beautiful area.
I know the area, I have spent time there. I know it very well and it is gorgeous.
So the gorgeous part is still there but the fire, the floods, the mud floods
is disrupting that beautiful memory you have and so it is part of you that wants to recapture that memory
and keep it with you and yet you know what you have said that it is time for you to rethink things.
I think what you have to do, what so many people have done, who have contacted us, is
that they, you know, you mentioned Montana, maybe that is a place, maybe that was just
the first name that came to your state, it came to your mind, but you just need to go
to those places.
You go up and if you're like me, you go to the place and you immediately reject it.
But if it's something that's part of your inner guidance, you'll have dreams and things
will kind of unfold.
When we take the first step towards following intuition, then we get a lot of other confirmations and steps.
If we fight it, admire it, or argue it because we say, it's going to affect my job, it's going to affect my house, you know, all my materialistic living things are going to affect, I can't really do that, then you shut that part down.
Yeah, and you can't go to the next.
My confidence is to continue to trust your intuition, and you may have to take a trip.
But we are now in the danger time period.
Yeah.
It's not like this is a year away.
Yeah, the wake-up call has already... And, of course, you've had that experience first-hand, haven't you?
Yeah, and it's just astonishing to hear you confirm that.
Well, he's just simply saying, listen to yourself.
We've got to run to here, but thank you.
Thank you.
You take care.
First time caller online, you're on the air with Gordon Michael Scallion.
Hi.
Hello there.
Hello.
Hi, where are you?
This is Brenda in Colorado.
Oh, Brenda, I can barely hear you yell at us and ask your questions.
I'm in Colorado, and I've listened to both of you for the last five years.
My question tonight is about the Children of the Blue Ray.
Can you give me a little more information on that?
The Children of the Blue Ray?
Okay, I can shed a little bit of light on that.
We can talk about this.
It's so important that I put a whole chapter in my book about it.
When I began seeing all of this destruction, I started looking ahead in the future.
I said, there's got to be some good that comes out of everything that is challenging my life.
There has to be.
A health crisis, a divorce, financial setbacks.
These all have to be put in the right perspective.
I looked at the future and in my future visions, I observed that there was a whole different I would have to call it a race of people.
We're human, you know, and look very much like us now, except that the pigment of the skin had changed because of the differences of the solar connection to the Earth.
And so, I call them the children of the blue ray.
It's the people who come in, they are the teachers now who are preparing the way for
these changes and they are the people after these changes who become the teachers of our
future children.
So it's like after the changes, this is the new race of people.
They will live long, two or three hundred years will be very common.
Born highly intuitive, able to speak multiple languages, very strong telepathy and I was
starting to see a lot of these being born and I did give all the characteristics of
it in the book.
Okay Gordon, I see two categories of children now that we have.
One appears to be very spiritual and intuitive and a new type of child, and the other seems to be the exact opposite.
You know, you hear about all these school killings and all the rest of it.
sort of blank-eyed, soulless little creatures who have had a fortunate upbringing
and for no apparent reason have simply don't care about their own lives
and certainly don't care about the lives of those people around them.
So we have two polar opposites, it seems like.
Our society has become polarized.
And a lot of that has to do with the fact that at this particular age, the age we're in right now,
those souls, if you will, that come into the earth, it's like an open system here.
Anybody can come into the earth now.
There's seven different vibrational waves that follow the color spectrum
that people can come into the world and experience life.
Uh, we...
Many of them are here trying to better themselves and also be in service.
And others haven't either fallen backwards or they have stayed at the same place.
And that's the polarity.
In the next millennium, after the year 2001, there's only going to be three windows of opportunity.
And thus the prophecies of the millennium of peace occur.
It occurs because the vibrations will not allow those people to incarnate during the next thousand years.
All right.
Ronald Cardwell, very quickly, you're on the air with Gordon Michael Scullion.
Hello.
Hi, Mr. Scullion.
This is Mark and Reno.
Hi, Mark.
I want to take you to task on a couple of items here, and that's the California fractures.
Time span has already taken place.
The pole shift, according to my map, Future map of the United States, 1998 to 2001.
There's a lot of things in here that are past their dates.
And I would just like for you to make a promise that if we're sitting here in January of 1999, and none of this is taking place, that you're going to apologize to some of these people that you're scaring out of their skins.
I know that there's a lot of fear with this.
If we come up to the year 2001, which completes that cycle, of that window.
It hasn't occurred and then people like Casey and and Josh Thomas and the Hopis and all of us who have been
doing these things would have to admit and say that we have totally misread it.
I'm Gordon.
I'm not exactly sure what happened to you.
Gordon, are you there?
Yes, I am.
Okay.
Uh, we're up on the break.
We're at the half-hour mark here.
So, is this where you want to, uh, stop it?
Yeah, this is... I said I would do another half an hour and... And so we have done it.
I'll be back with you later.
All right, my friend.
Thank you.
Okay.
You take care, Gordon.
Okay.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.
We'll be right back.
This is an interesting question from somebody, um, well it's from a band I know.
I don't know where he is.
Alright, this is Andrew.
Oh yeah, it's those here.
Listening to you in Phoenix.
If we do have a pole shift, will all of your satellites, the ones you broadcast your show to, be able to receive your transmission?
Oh, I never thought about that.
We have geosynchronous satellites that are above the equator.
A six-degree shift in the poles.
Yes, I think I would be more or less instantly off the air.
That's just my first take, though.
The rest of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi.
How are you?
Oh, pretty good.
Where are you?
Here in St.
George, Utah.
Yes, sir.
This is Ray.
Right.
I was just listening to Gordon Michael Scott and boy that's scary stuff.
Yes it is and I think that it will occur as he has suggested it will occur.
The way things are going I'm thinking that too.
I was wondering have you heard anything lately from the Wave Rider or anything about him?
I have had a fax of concern from his friend in Texas, but nothing directly from the way Ryder himself.
And his friend now fears he is dead.
Oh, jeez.
Sorry?
Yeah, I don't know.
Scary stuff.
All right, my friend, I wish I could tell you more, but that's it for now.
When I get any news, it could come at any moment, I'll certainly let you know.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hello.
I have a couple of comments for you.
Okay, go ahead.
Okay, the first one is, there was an article in Discover Magazine, I believe it was late last year, where they had an article about polar shifts with the sun.
Yes.
It had to do with magma movements and everything.
Yes.
They were able to find a lot of sunspot activity and predict it now.
And I was thinking that that might have a lot to do, you know, especially with what's going on with the sun.
You know, and then... Oh, you are, sir, you are exactly right.
Thank you.
You are precisely right.
And that is why I have scheduled Ed Dames for Thursday.
That's exactly the reason that I've scheduled Ed Dames.
Uh, what he has to say concerns the sun.
What he has to say confirms what Gordon Michael Scullion just said.
It confirms what Stan Dale has been saying.
And I suspect strongly, and I don't want to put words into anybody's mouth, but it will confirm what the Hopi elders are going to say on the 15th.
On my international line, you're on the air, good morning.
I didn't think I was going to get through the night of it.
Well, you've made it.
All right.
Storm Tracer, Northern Alpa or Alberta?
Yes, sir.
Why don't we comment on the Montana-Alberta thing?
All right.
I've spoken in not bad of order on the map.
Whether this happens or not, you're going to enjoy putting your money where it's moving here to Alberta, Montana.
It's a beautiful place.
Oh, I don't think anyone will be too disappointed if they head this way.
It's beautiful here.
Well, you say that now, but if millions were to head that way... We've got a lot of room.
And you're gonna need it.
It's a good point, well taken.
Well, have a good night.
Okay, you too, Alberta.
Rest of the Rockies, you're on the air for now.
Excuse me, good morning, Art.
Good morning to you.
Yeah, I'm calling from Phoenix.
Yes, sir.
A couple of things, a comment.
First of all, that's the first time I've heard Gordon Michael Scallion, and to have a comment about that, actually about that, not only about that, but when you have that Danes on.
You had a caller yesterday, I know I'm kind of jumping around here, but I want to get this first.
You had a caller yesterday asking Brad Steiger if he knew where to get Wilhelm Reich books and what the address might be.
Yes.
And I have an address here.
Okay, I can't put it on the air without first checking it out.
Already, okay.
If you do have it, get it to me by email or some method and I'll check it out and get it on the air.
Okay, that'll be cool.
My comment basically is I'm one of those people who's usually affected by the phases of the moon.
Um, and I mean that, uh, on the full moon tonight, I was kind of, uh, concerned about, and there are plenty of others out there too, concerned about, uh, these programs being on a night of the full moon.
I'm aware of it.
And, but it just seems that tonight seems to be a very calming one, so it seems, uh, that probably that'll just mean that the next new moon will be the agitating one.
Well, it could be.
But fortunately, uh, it is, uh, Uh, at least as far as I can tell, it is calm.
So, uh, yeah, I'm, uh, uh, glad to see at least so far that, well, I'm sure that there's still plenty of people scared out there and, uh, frightened out there.
And as am I, I'm really in no position to be, uh, uh, saving my hide right now.
But I'll tell you what, I'm not going to let it stop me.
I want to keep working towards, uh, getting where I need to go.
I have a strong feeling inside and I have ever since I've known Gordon that he is correct as others are about what's coming.
But that doesn't change things really.
You've still got to live your life.
You've still got to do what you do and care for the ones you love and try to do your best and that's what I'm going to do.
Exactly, that's my point entirely, and I have others I talk to who are very concerned about this, if not worried, and I just tell them, you know, just keep plugging away.
Do what you can, as you can, and hopefully... Well, one thing that has dawned on me is that these changes that we've been talking about for so long... Right.
They're underway now.
Yeah, well, we still have to keep plugging away, you know.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
Thank you, and take care.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
much without this information I'd know what was going on, would not have any even half
an idea as to what to do or what to expect and I'd be going crazy without it.
It's frightening as it is.
So thank you Art.
Yes sir, thank you and take care.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air, hi.
Hi Art, my name is Carol and I'm calling from Detroit, Michigan area.
Hi Carol.
Hi, we're coming in to see KC.
Entirely possible.
That's the one.
Um, I've had a brother that told me about you that lives in Henderson, Nevada.
He said he was out to your place once.
Um, entirely possible. Henderson is just over the hill.
Yeah, his name is John.
But anyway, my question is, what's in store for the people up here in the Michigan area?
Um, there is going to be a problem with Great Lakes.
My advice to you, I don't want to put words in anybody's mouth or maps that I'm not looking at.
If I were you, I'd get on the website and take a look at Gordon's map.
Okay.
That'd be my advice.
Alright, thank you.
Thank you and take care.
And if you want to do that, you can go to my website.
And, uh, simply go to www.artball.com.
Scroll down to the guest listings.
You will find the name Gordon Michael Scullion.
And you'll see a link there, uh, which says earthchanges.com.
Click on that.
Go over and take a look at the specific part of the map that concerns you.
So, although Gordon produces that map and has for years commercially, You'll notice he's got it on the web, and you can look for yourself.
If you don't have a computer, get to a friend, or go to a library, and, uh, and get there that way.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hello there.
Going once, going twice.
Gone.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Oh, hi.
Hello.
Mark?
Yes.
Uh, this is Ben.
I'm calling from Oklahoma.
Yes, sir.
And I'm...
Julius, I believe I was listening to your show, uh, I don't know how long ago it's been, I guess a month ago, you had a news story that the Earth's rotation slowed down like a fraction of a second?
Well, as a matter of fact, it has, yes.
I was wondering if that might be related to the, uh, polar shift that Mr. Scallion suggested tonight?
Well, what Mr. Scallion is suggesting is that Earth magma is moving, that there are changes going on within the Earth that are occurring because of what's going on, uh, on the Sun.
And that a lot of the warming is due to magma below our ocean.
And it's entirely plausible.
Particularly if you listen to people like Stan Dayo, who look at maps of the ocean, and see this tremendous heating where there ought to be none.
Well, I just, uh, I don't know.
Usually when it's the ecology of the planet, it's right, uh, It's like a domino effect.
You start messing with one thing and it tends to cause a chain reaction that leads to something bigger.
That's right.
And I thought that, uh, you know, it's just pretty kvart.
I'm not a scientist by any means.
I'm a truck driver, but, uh, you know, it was just one of those things that kept hitting on my, uh, kept hitting on me.
Couldn't get it out of my head.
And I tried to get through to Mr. Scallion before he got off the air, and I didn't get through, but I just thought I'd throw it out there.
Whether you believe in his theory like I do or not, like the gentleman from Reno, you can't deny something is definitely going on.
The weather's pretty bad.
That's right.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
That, of course, is correct.
I am convinced, as so many others are, that these changes have now begun.
Gordon said it.
On screen.
It's underway.
But still, as the other gentleman said, you've got to live life one day at a time.
And in time, you will make your own decisions based on what you see or what you feel.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
No, you're not.
Wildcard line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
This is Ron from North Carolina.
Hi, Ron.
I've got some things I think that can tie this all together, if you'll allow me to go on.
Go on.
Okay, um, I've been on the internet for a while.
I had a dream a long time ago, um, about a tidal wave hitting California.
So I did some, uh, research into, uh, meteor impacts.
Yes.
And, um, basically what it boiled down to is the more I worked on the internet, I found more people with other dreams, and I was able to piece this thing together.
Um, and read a lot of scientific literature, and what it, what it boiled down to is a lot of the things that, uh, Mr. Scallion was talking about, and the, some of the dreams people have had.
Right.
It all sort of adds up to a meteor impact, a large meteor impact in the Pacific Ocean to be specific.
I talked to a man from Germany over the internet who said he'd seen an object entering the atmosphere.
Another person said specifically he'd seen it hit in the Gulf of Alaska and that other people had had dreams about the Arctic Ocean coming through the Canadian Plains, which would put enough water through to Open up the things that are seen on the Earth Changes map, especially going through the Mississippi being expanded.
Right.
A lot of the areas that would be inundated.
It also ties in with a lot of people, like Mr. Case talking about Carolinas changing the twinkling of an eye, I think he said.
It would be like if a meteor hit this large, it would be very large earthquakes.
It would put out electromagnetic pulse.
A Russian scientist called it a magnetohydrodynamic fault.
Right.
Which is caused by this huge mass hitting the earth and vaporizing, which would disrupt communications, that sort of thing.
Right.
And I don't know, I mean, I've got a website and I work on one of the places, one of the internet news groups.
So I've talked to some people there, but I really think it shouldn't be underestimated.
There's a lot of people you've had on your show that this sort of ties together.
One of the people, Tom Van Flandern, he has done a lot of work on the exploded planet
hypothesis which says there used to be a fifth planet but for some reason it exploded and
that I think a lot of this is tied into what's going on on the sun too.
That this mass, when it exploded, it left the orbit, the inner solar system and went
out into deep space but on a regular basis it returned.
You can take one of two points of view, if you listen to the various guests I have on,
like Dames, Ed Dames, who predicted so much about the winds that we're now experiencing
in the sun and all the rest of it, and Father Malachi Martin and Gordon Michael Scallion
and Daniel Brinkley and Hopi Elders and Grosdwarf and I could really sit here and tick off a
whole lot more.
One of two things is happening.
Either they're all talking to each other secretly, And getting your predictions to, as Richard Hoagland would
say, to the point where all the dots connect because thatís what Iím hearing, or you
could conclude that in fact from all these different disciplines weíre getting the
same answers, in which case, you know, I would prepare.
Well thatís exactly what I was trying to get to.
When you start on a path like this, weíre talking an awful lot about what is the future
of the business, and what is the future of the business.
But Iíve also talked to people who have dreams about the aftermath and how humanity is recovering
from this.
And the reality is that weíre not going to be able to do that.
Weíre not going to be able to do that.
The preparations, although they're sort of drastic, they're not something that's outside the realm of almost anybody's grasp.
The food is available now to stockpile it.
Most people are recommending a year's worth of food.
The studies I've done said it should be more like five years' worth of food.
Well, you do what you can.
A year is reasonable.
Five years is kind of tough.
You should have alternative power.
You should have a good source of clean water.
You should have a radio.
You should have batteries.
You should have, you know, just the basic common sense stuff.
All those things can be tied together in sort of community planning.
Like in America, a lot of people might not know that there's a commodities market where you can buy It is expensive for an individual but for a small community
it is very reasonable to say that you should have food especially with all the
interest. You have a tremendous listening audience and if somebody were to get into a business like
this of taking...there is a place called Walton's Dry Goods, I'm not sure where it is,
I think in Idaho. They sell nitrogen packed food in huge quantities.
You know, I'll make a fight out of it.
You can bet on that.
Well, I'm sure you will.
We all want to survive.
decision to look forward to the future in a positive way.
I mean, you can either look at this as a dreaded event, or you can look at it as a blessing it was intended to be.
That's the way I look at it.
Well, I think of myself as a survivor.
So I will do what I can to survive.
I'll make a fight out of it.
You can bet on that.
Well, I'm sure you will.
We all want to survive.
I mean, that's human nature.
OK, my friend.
Um, it's human nature is right.
It is the survival instinct, and it is a very basic instinct indeed.
We had a talk about that not very long ago.
Not a lot of time left.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
This is, uh, Daniel in Memphis.
Hello, Daniel.
Um, a couple of months ago, you had this woman on.
She was having a problem with this dark entity with glowing eyes pulling her from her bed.
Oh, I recall well, yes.
Do you know if she ever got in touch with Dr. Carmella Carmartin?
Uh, Father Malachai Martin.
Yes, uh, she did.
Did she?
Okay.
Uh, I've been concerned about that for a while.
Okay, well, there you go.
Yes, she did, uh, make contact.
Thank you.
Uh, rest of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Uh, this is Doug, the militia man from Depot Bay.
Hi there, Doug.
Uh, have a look at the show.
It's pretty interesting, though.
And this weather up here is getting bad up on the coast around here.
I was working today and it was like it was in November.
I know.
Cold and rainy and wet.
I know.
I'm just not feeling good and I just wish America a good night and that's all I've got to say tonight.
Alright, well you said it.
Thank you.
And you said goodnight.
So I'll take this opportunity just to save myself to give you the number again if you want a copy of Gordon Michael Scallion's rare appearance.
It does not come on the air frequently.
You can call 1-800-917-4278.
That's 1-800-917-4278.
Thank you all very much.
Tomorrow night, the Chester, you're not going to believe it, what a program that'll be.
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