Al Bielek, a 71-year-old physicist-turned-Navy-survivor (despite birth records placing him in 1927), claims he and brother Duncan—both Princeton PhDs under Dr. John von Neumann—participated in the Philadelphia Experiment (July–August 1943), rendering the USS Eldridge invisible via Tesla’s RF tech, though eight sailors fell ill or vanished. Bielek alleges time travel mishaps, memory erasure, and later recovery in 1983, with von Neumann revealing the ship was lost in "hyperspace." Corroborating callers link the project to Project Mirage (1949–53), Atlantean crystals, and Roswell, while April 2000 UFO reports over Washington—including silent, high-speed objects near nuclear bunkers—suggest ongoing classified experiments. Government secrecy, from Y2K vulnerabilities to potential time-manipulated diseases like Ebola, underscores a pattern of suppressed breakthroughs with unsettling consequences. [Automatically generated summary]
For example, the committee chairman, Senator Robert Bennett, conducted his own private survey, good move, Bennett, of 10 power plants across the U.S. And Bennett found out that eight out of ten, I repeat, eight out of ten had not even begun to assess the problem, much less tried to fix it.
So, will the lights go out and spoil the celebration?
As 2000 is rung in, there is, I'm sorry to say, quite a possibility.
Now, a lot of people might have thought of Gary North as very alarmist, but from what I can see, everybody in Washington who knows about this or who has bothered to investigate seems to feel exactly the same way.
Interesting, huh?
And this email, dear art, the NBC Morning News had a report today, but get this, featured Al Gore at the World's Oceanographic Conference.
They are alarmed at the status of our oceans.
Now, listen to this.
The report also stated that we are now, check this out, declassifying top secret information as to the condition of the seas.
The other is that you have to imagine that we could make it to that moment.
And if we do, you're going to in some way want to be prepared.
And, you know, look, if you look at the congressional testimony yesterday, you've got to imagine that, as Gary Norris said, the power grid could easily fail because it is, of course, all interconnected.
A few things you ought to do to get ready, huh?
First time caller line, you're on the air.
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Hello?
About a half hour, we're going to have Al Bielick here.
By the way, do you know that I was in the Air Force, and second lieutenants were sort of like the bottom of the barrel.
Ones who had come through these 90-day schools, Al, I mean, any enlisted man of any period at all in the service, there was no greater fear than somebody like you who just came out of 90 days and all of a sudden has all this power.
Well, all they told us was we were being assigned to the Institute of Advanced Study at Princeton, New Jersey, and we had no idea what it was about.
Well, father apparently had arranged this because he had tremendous connections in the intelligence service, even though he had left the Navy himself in 1929.
Anyway, he apparently had arranged it, and when we arrived at the Institute at Princeton, fresh out of school with PhDs, we thought we knew everything about everything, and we quickly found out we didn't really know much about anything.
When they confronted us with things like five-dimensional realities and possibilities of time travel, time manipulation, and all this sort of thing, we were somewhat overwhelmed, but fortunately we had a very good teacher, Dr. John Von Neumann, who has also been at the University of Princeton and is also part of the Institute since 1933.
He took us aside and gave us some special instructions to tell us what it was all about and what we had been assigned to or had inherited, however you want to look at it.
Actually, he was born in Hungary and he went through his schooling in Europe, took a PhD in mathematics in 1926, worked at the German university system until 1930 when he came to the United States.
And 1930 was an interesting year because quite a number of people left Germany and Europe in that period of time.
Some of the stories say he didn't leave Germany until 1933.
It's not true.
He left in 1930, went to Caltech, taught there for three years, and then he was offered a position at the Institute of Advanced Study, which he accepted.
And of course, they opened their door for business, so to speak.
And in other words, what I'm trying to do is set up here the reason for the Navy to want to work on invisibility, yes, or any sort of stealth capability, radar or visible or whatever, anything that would help our ships get from here to there.
In 1940, when they started this, well, the project was actually started in 33, and it was just a feasibility study, which became a hardware study, and eventually a successful test was engaged in September 1940 at the Brooklyn Navy Yard with a very small ship.
It was a tender.
I was there as an observer.
And of course, this was Tesla's system, and it worked very well.
It produced optical invisibility, camera invisibility.
Of course, in 1940, they weren't that concerned about radar.
It was still an experimental thing, and they only had been in the Navy since 1938 on certain experimental ships.
I should say, ships with experimental systems called radar.
Now, in 1941, the British developed the Magnetron.
This was sent over to the United States and was put in production at Western Electric.
And this became the backbone of an entirely new radar system.
We caused that increase in frequency from 500 kilohertz to 9.5 gigahertz, literally overnight.
I was part of it in the sense that we were working on the hardware and we're still at the point in 1940 of undertaking an understanding of what was going on.
And we were more of observers in 1940 and a test in September than anything else.
One was we were to be observers for the Navy, write monthly reports on the progress of the system.
They wanted people, not as Duncan and myself, who were trained in physics, knew it in terms of standard physics inside out, upside down, and could write intelligent reports to the higher level brass in the Navy critiquing what was going on.
I would see a special antenna mounted on the highest point on the ship, which produced what we called an E-field, electric field, produced a rotating electric field, was fed with a four-phase system.
Now, the electric field was the principal component they were concerned with there because I established part of the field system which was required.
The other part was a rotating magnetic field.
The electric field was inside the magnetic field.
It rotated at different speeds, one twice the other.
And the rotating field had a specific frequency with specific modulations, which were literally Tesla's designs because this was an analog system running all the time with special modulations.
No, it was a fourth fixed antenna, what we call a quadriphase antenna, which means it had four elements isolated from each other, fed by four separate transmitters.
And they were electrically rotated by means of the phasing of the signals being fed in from the precedent electronics feeding the final stages of the four transmitters.
Okay, but do you know offhand if each one of these elements had a different modulating frequency or if the modulating frequency was alternating within each one of those elements?
And the coils basically were mounted on the deck of the ship.
In the later system, there were four of them.
I'm not sure if they used four now in the earlier system, but basically they would have to use something equivalent to a four-coil system in order, again, by phasing of the current coming out of the alternators, would produce a rotating magnetic field by proper phasing of the system so that it produced a counter-rotating, that is, a field which is rotating counterclockwise.
I've seen Philadelphia Experiment 2, and while it is, in a sense, a story takeoff in the tail end of Philadelphia Experiment, the original movie, it has no bearing whatever on the Philadelphia Experiment.
The only thing I saw good about it was that it showed an alternative reality of what could have happened to us if the Nazis had won World War II.
He was not concerned about the biological aspects at first.
He was only concerned about the most efficient way to achieve the results, and he decided to drop the analog approach and go to a digital or pulsed approach in which the power into the coils, for example, as well as into the antenna system was pulsed with about a 10% duty cycle pulse frequencies.
What they were able to do, they increased the power of the ORF final stage boosters from original half-megawatt output continuous rating to about a two-megawatt continuous rating.
And then they could pulse this at 10% duty cycle.
That says theoretically, if the equipment would take it, they could get 20 megawatt peak pulse power out of it.
It produced a series called a Fourier series of waveforms, which caused even more problems because with a simple, well say simple, by comparison, of an analog system where you have known frequencies of modulation and they are continuous, the effects on the physiology and the nervous system is not nearly as disastrous as a pulsed system.
A pulsed system is a sudden shot of energy, if you will, and then after it shuts off, you have this Fourier series of diminishing waves, which can be even more complex in terms of frequencies than the original system.
Now, what you're doing in this case is you're converting rotating mass into electrical energy.
And this is a well-known system.
It's been used years since.
I worked on a sonar system where a particular company's approach, they were literally pulsing the energy out of generators, and because of the rotating mass, you could get power output far beyond the normal electrical rating.
My question, I think, is, if Tesla quit and literally went to the trouble to sabotage and the danger to sabotage an experiment because of the biological implications, how did Van Neumann imagine there wouldn't be very severe biological implications of using these experiments?
I can't tell you that, because we had a number of conversations with him.
He did not want to hear about Tesla's fears of the biological side effects.
He quite literally ignored it.
And Tesla, on hearing this, became quite upset.
He was out of the project.
He was still doing other things on his own with his own laboratories.
And his story I've heard many, many years later, in fact, within the last, I'll put it in this frame, in the last five years, someone who had access to the files told me, he says, Tesla did not die a natural death in his room.
He said he was the victim of an accident which was set up for him.
The story goes that this one morning, literally as I believe the 7th of January 1943, he left the New Yorker where he was living, drove somewhere, crossed the street, walking.
He waited for a green light, of course, at the street corner.
He had a green light.
He started to cross the street in front of some park to stop traffic, including a taxi cab.
Secret Service or other related personnel held back the other pedestrians while Tesla walked out in the street.
And under some kind of a crew or type of conditioning, whatever it was, the taxi driver slammed foot down on the power and plowed right into Tesla, knocked him over the back of the taxi cab, and he came crashing down on the pavement and back of the cab.
My God, so you're saying here that Tesla was murdered, and he was murdered probably because he was continuing to complain or interfere or in some way try to stop the online.
He was ready to go public on what the thought was going doing and the fact that the government had, as he put it, no concern for the lives of the sailors.
What they normally needed was a skeleton crew to take it down the river, set it on station, and of course, Duncan and I were assigned the task of turning the equipment on in the right sequence.
Where were you?
Excuse me, we were in a control room before all of this equipment, which is essentially midship, a little bit, shall we say, further towards the bow than in the rear.
But it was essentially midships where the control room was behind steel doors.
Bolks had doors that were closed and locked when we were operating the equipment.
And by radio command, and we had a radio receiver in the room, we would turn on the equipment on command and had to go through a certain sequence, read certain meters, et cetera, et cetera.
And when it was up to full operating power, of course, we sat there until we had a further command shut down.
He was convinced by us that he better take a look at this and try and stop the problem in terms of the very high-powered R-Red fields, produce some kind of a counterfield.
And we shut it down, and then the orders returned the ship to the Navy Yard, the back section.
Well, then when we've been back there, and of course any checked out personnel, both below decks and above decks, below deck personnel were perfectly okay.
Ones above deck, standing on the deck, were very sick, very ill, very nauseous.
Obviously, had been exposed to entirely too much RF power and rotating magnetic fields because they were only about 75 feet at the maximum away from the coils or the antenna.
I don't believe he did because he didn't have time enough to do it.
The pressure was on to correct the system.
And as the Navy said a few days later, well, we don't really need optical invisibility.
In fact, we don't even want it at this point because, you see, in 43, it did not have the lower end, the shore end, and all of the tracking systems, the satellites, and everything we have today.
They were totally dependent on either radar contact, telling where the position of the ships in a convoy were, or eyeball contact, if you will.
Consequently, they decided with radar invisibility, they had to have some means of optically seeing ships between each other and the convoy so only at night they didn't ram each other, particularly if they were in a bad storm.
Well, this meant a slight change in the system and a slight reduction of the power and the amount of, shall we say, time field rotation that was involved.
Were there, there were earlier experiments, I guess, that said to you you could achieve radar invisibility before you could achieve optical invisibility.
Was it a matter only of power or was it a matter of, in other words, what drove the system from radar invisibility to optical invisibility?
It was not so much a difference in power as it was a difference in the matter of the rotation of the artificial time field and holding it at a particular point.
Because if you go into the theory as I knew it, you are dealing with the number of alternate realities, and you can quite literally rotate out of this one into the next one by rotating yourself 90 degrees in terms of the time field.
You just drop into the next reality.
But you don't want to do this under normal circumstances because what you want is just the radar or optical invisibility, which means you've got to find point away you hold this.
You're producing a phase shift in the time field locally.
Yes, it was considered successful in terms of the hardware and the hardware goals.
It was a qualified success because they had personnel problems.
And on the 12th August test, after we got the notice, Van Neumann got the notice, and of course it went up and down the whole gamut of the personnel involved.
The Navy said quite literally, you have a drop-dead date.
You'll finish these tests by the 12th of August or just forget the whole project.
And of course, Van Neumann became very worried.
He went to the Navy.
He'd already done this and asked for an extension on time, and they refused to give him any more time.
And I became very concerned about this and went up to the director of the Office of Naval Engineering, Dr. Doctor is Captain Hal Bowen Sr.
I said, what is this all about?
He says, well, this command came from further up the line.
I says, where did it come from?
He says, from the CNO himself, Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral King.
I said, what's he getting involved in this war?
He's not supposed to be concerned specifically about engineering tests.
And, well, we had no answer at that time as to why he chose or why he was given the orders for a drop dead date of the 12th August.
We're going to drop dead right now for about 10 minutes.
So relax, get a cup of coffee, because when we come back, we're going to talk about what the world knows as the Philadelphia Experiment, the test conducted 12 August, 1943.
I'm Art Bell.
My guest is Al Elick, a survivor of the Philadelphia Experiment.
Believe me, you don't want to go away.
I want to remind everybody that, of course, as we always do when we have a guest, if you want to read more about this, know more about the Philadelphia Experiment, you will find the following links on my website.
The Montauk Project, Experiments in Time, Montauk Revisited, Adventures in Synchronicity, The Pyramids of Montauk, Explorations in Consciousness, and a video of the Philadelphia Experiment Part 2.
All of that's on my website now at www.artbell.com.
Now, we're about to launch into the experiment itself, the major one, that occurred 12 August of 1943.
But just before we do, and Al, I don't want you to take time to try to answer this right now.
I just want to read it.
Dear Art, you have twice now reported tonight's guest age as 71 years.
That would mean he was born in 1927.
World War II began in 1939 in Europe and December of 41 in the Pacific, which would make Al 12 and 14 years old, respectively.
Now, a number of people have faxed that to me, and there is an answer to this, and they just need to keep their pants on out there to hear it.
We then realized we were standing on what appeared to be dry ground at night.
There's some kind of a chain-link fence in back of us, which looked like a military design.
And before we could really take cognizance of our surroundings, there was suddenly a blinding searchlight coming down on us from something overhead.
Something, of course, was a helicopter.
Now, in 1943, helicopters were almost unknown.
There were, of course, Sikorsky experimental coppers and choppers, but they were not a mainstay in the military.
So here we get the footlight on us, and one of those places is this.
That's what's going through our head.
The next thing we see a bunch of MPs running towards us from somewheres.
MPs we recognized, of course.
And they grabbed us by the arms and took us to a building.
Went upside the building.
There's an elevator on the elevator.
We dropped down several levels.
How far we didn't know.
The door opens, and we're in an underground facility where we see military personnel, some strange equipment, and an elderly civilian walking towards us.
We were then given the cook's tour by von Neumann of the underground facility.
Then we were, shall we say, introduced to modern IBM computers, modern for that day, IBM 360s and 370s with the hard disk drives, the tape drives, the display systems, the large screen graphic display systems, other communications equipment, none of which we recognized at all.
And after we got the cook's tour of the NACE, they finally sat us down in front of large screen color TV, which of course didn't exist at 43.
And we stopped watching TV.
We had the cook's tour for about two hours and some discussion with Von Neumann whether he sat us down in front of TV.
I guess he had other things he had to do.
So we watched some of the programs and we see shots of modern three-way systems with traffic jams and cars we don't recognize and city outlines we don't recognize and what got to us finally with the commercials, particularly one, which was a commercial for an airline, which said, well, on your next vacation trip to Hawaii, why not fly with us in a 747 jet and show a picture of a 747 in flight?
Well, they had what we call at that time the standard Montauk system, which generated a tunnel, you might say, in what normally appeared to be a solid wall.
It created this tunnel about eight feet in diameter, which would stand at the entrance when all the equipment was on, and it would literally suck you up and propel you to the point in space and time that they had set it for.
And you or an object, even a car, could be spit out at the far end, wherever that might be.
Well, don't ask me how they would calibrate it to know where the average was or how to get there, but they literally dumped Duncan and myself on the deck.
Was there any way, any way, for you to understand from the time you left the Eldridge and their placement of you back on the Eldridge, how much time, this may be a dumb question, but how much time had passed, how long this had been turned on in real time.
And I might add, we had on radiation suits because we were warned that there might be severe radiation problems on board the ship.
So we had on radiation suits, very much like they showed in the movie, the Philadelphia Experiment.
And we went into the control room, slammed the door shilly off, after we found someplace axes, and we proceeded to smash every piece of equipment within sight, all of the banks of electron tubes, some of the smaller pieces of equipment.
We did not go after the generators of the large heavy equipment.
We went after the control systems.
And after we had chopped up enough of it, of course, the generators started to wind down because all the controls for them were off.
At that point, with the generators starting to wind down, we knew that essentially it was over, so we put down the axes and went back out on deck and looked around.
And at that point, of course, we still couldn't see anything beyond the railing.
It was still a hazy gray.
But we did see two sailors buried in the steel deck.
The steel had intermingled molecularly with the flesh and bones of their bodies.
Two buried in the same manner upright in the bulkhead.
And a fifth man had his hand in the bulkhead up to his wrist.
He was the only one of the five that lived.
They cut his hand off and gave me an artificial one later.
Standard type amputee.
So we looked at all of this, and the total pandemonium among the sailors who were still, should I say, standing on deck, they were milling around with total non-recognition of anything about where they were.
Well, this is one of the problems we've tried to figure out since.
What happened when the fuel started to collapse?
The ship was starting to drift back out of hyperspace to the point of origin.
And I might add, in order to get back to the point of origin, there would be no way to know where the ship would go except for a very specialized piece of equipment installed with that system.
I've been designed by Tesla back in the 20s, not the specific piece that was using on the Eldritch.
But he developed to the FAA what was called a zero-time reference generator, which provided absolute frequencies, phase-stable frequencies for all of the ILS and guidance systems across the country.
It was more stable than anything we could have designed up until maybe 10, 15 years ago.
In any case, a piece of equipment very similar to that, a zero-time reference generator, which locks into and references the center of the galaxy, our galaxy, the Milky Way, and provides an ultra-stable time reference and an ultra-stable reference for all the other systems.
Because of that piece of equipment and the way the whole system was configured, we knew and have been told that we destroyed the rest of the electronics, but certainly not that piece of equipment, that the ship would eventually return to the starting point.
The analysis of precisely what happened is probably nearly impossible today, but as the fields collapsed and as the ship came back to the normal reality and the sailors with it, everything didn't come back evenly and in complete synchronization like it left because the fields were collapsing randomly.
And of course, on board the carrier and the other two observer ships, they saw that the ship was back and they could see that there were serious problems.
They could see through binoculars that there were serious problems.
They sent a boarding party.
First, they tried to raise someone on the radio.
They caught no one.
Then they sent a boarding party to literally board the ship.
And they did.
And they found the two sailors buried in the steel deck, nearly dead.
They found two more in the bulkhead, as I had described, and of course the fifth man with his hand and wrist buried in the steel.
And they left the dead and dying there.
The man who was still alive, they cut his hand off.
And he lived.
The others who were milling around on the deck wound down flipping the funny farms.
They had another problem, of course, with some of them were fading in and out of our reality, which created a very serious problem.
Nothing like this had ever happened before.
How do you handle it?
And this gave rise to some of the stories about the sailors who were still intact and at least partially sane, laying on of hands to try and stabilize their shipmates.
This resulted in the design and development of special hardware to stabilize these guys in this reality, a project which involved several well-known scientists, which it took about six months to solve.
But they did finally stabilize those guys.
The others, there were some that disappeared by jumping overboard, and of course, some who were just essentially dead.
And of course, under guys of war and pressures of war, there was some justification for this.
It was an experiment that went totally sour, and they didn't want anybody to know what happened because there was also an alien involvement, which I did not believe the rumors at the time, but I since have acquired paperwork from the head medical doctor, Dr. Oscar O. Schneider, who was the chief medical officer during the periods of the test and afterwards for many years.
He eventually did an autopsy on one of the sailors who died and recovered an implant device, was one in the brain and three more in various parts of the body, and wrote a letter, which I have a copies of.
I am not surprised, because obviously anything that would have to do with hyperspace, reflecting back on a million shows I've done about this kind of thing.
Other than they knew something terrible of them going on, they sensed that they were essentially normal in terms of their faculties and their physical responses.
The scuttlebutt went through the entire Navy from Philadelphia around the world that something really weird had happened in the Philadelphia harbor that day.
And, of course, the Navy had quite a problem suppressing this.
It became classified, top secret.
The whole project was already classified, and they put everybody into quarantine, and they then, later on, as the letters show, Roger Hoover got into the act, as well as others, to declare this thing top secret, bury the whole thing, and turn the ship's log over to Admiral Hillencotter.
Montauk was a continuation of some of the research done in the Photo experiment.
It was also a continuation of research which the Germans had been doing because they had their own invisibility project.
And they ran into the same disastrous problems we did.
And they scrapped their project, except that when the war was over, we, shall we say, acquired their scientists and their know-how.
And everyone was put into Brookhaven National Laboratories in 1947 to continue the research on time travel, mind control, and all of the other aspects which had been buried.
Officially, the Philadelphia experiment, which was known as Project Rainbow, was terminated in 1947.
Now in 1949, they resurrected it under a new name, Project Mirage.
And they said to Von Neumann and says, see if you can find out what went wrong, see if you can salvage any part of this.
Because I would have been 27 at the time of the test.
And Brother Duncan was born there in 1917, about seven months later.
Same father, two different mothers.
And it is a very, well, I have to give a very brief synopsis of what happened.
After the experiment failed, I was eventually transferred at the request of John Van Neumann, who was working on the bomb project to Los Alamos, to Los Alamos myself with my family.
I had a wife and a young son at that point.
And I was there from July 44 to July 47.
And due to the fact that I had full access to the Black Wall, as they called it, quite legally, write a classified report on the development of the atomic bomb.
I also found some other things in there referring to other projects which had nothing to do with the bomb or the Philadelphia experiment.
And I started talking about it, even though it was within classified personnel circles.
I raised a lot of nasty questions, and finally the acts descended.
I was removed from Los Alamos on the 4th of July, 1947.
Transferred to Washington, expecting a court-martial, did not have it.
Was transferred from that point to Fort Hurricane, a new assignment.
There's a Navy base there, which is quite true.
There was a Navy base.
It's still there, but I do not know if it's active today in terms of the underwater submarine pin entrances.
And there I was again reactivated, shall we say, by a montalk.
They know where to find people.
I was pulled up into 1983, and the very tearful von Neumann told me what they were going to do to me.
He says, they want to eliminate you as apparently a threat to someone.
So they're going to strip you of your life memories.
It's that camera in the going to your age, regress you down to the size of a young infant, plug you into another family in the past with another name, and hope that you never remember any part of it.
Of course, the idea was if I did remember any part of it, I would probably be considered a little bit on the another side because nothing would fit.
Well, I grew up as albelic, not knowing any better.
And in 1988, my memories were recovered when I saw the Philadelphia Experiment movie for the first time, and I was in a Saturday night in January of 88.
I mean, it had been around, and I did not see it when I was in the movie houses in 1984.
A, I've never been on drugs, the hallucinatorium that sort of thing.
Number two, a number of people have identified me as Ed Cameron.
One was, as I said, the same Mr. Carolin Batchelor, who on a conference call quite some years ago in 91, never having met him personally, on a conference call, because he knew a lot about the Photov experiment and Preston Nichols set it up, he identified me eventually as Ed Cameron from my voice.
When he landed in that installation and he fell off the edge of the ship, did you age or were you the same age when you were talking in front of that commander who had aged?
Even though I traveled 40 years in time, I was still of the same age because my individual personal timeline only progressed at the rate of the normal biological clocks internal to the body.
No, the Bermuda Triangle did not have any to do with the Philadelphia experiment.
But part of the phenomenon of the Bermuda Triangle may have had something to do with another project which I uncovered while I was at Los Alamos.
That was Project Southern Cross.
I mentioned that in my interview with Bart Bell about a year and a half ago.
And Southern Cross involved discovery of some Atlantean crystal formations on the ocean floor, which became activatable with a proper electric and magnetic field effects into a form of time travel.
This was finally calibrated, nailed down, and functional by 1938.
I found that in the vault and they raised the question, if we had this since 1938, why did we ever bother with the Philadelphia experiment?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Al Buelick.
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Hello.
Yes, this has been a great week of shows, Art.
Mr. Buelick, I'm going to say that you and Art are two brave people.
I get chills up my spine as an audience listener thinking about what goes on around us.
I was in the military.
I went on the cops in New York.
And I look back at my past, and I say, lab rats is what I can see a lot of people went through as far as our service.
And I just get very fed up at the fact that no one explains what's going to happen on these experiments.
I was involved.
My father was in World War II, and the atomic blasts all the way down.
It just aggravates me that we're just not dealing with people that explain what's going to be an experiment.
And it turns out that it turns into a catastrophe and lives are lost.
And your life was twisted so much.
And it's for a country and a cause that it's not explained, which is one of the reasons why I say deeply within my soul, you went libertarian, and I got very upset because I'm a Republican, but I'm twisted now, too, because I'm wondering who the heck is running this country.
Well, to me, it's obvious, and that's what caused me to do what I did.
Just keep reading the news, sir.
You'll be with me shortly.
Al, what is your attitude now?
It's a fair question about our government.
I mean, your guinea pig experience and that of those soldiers who died, sailors who died, is not unlike, I'm sorry to say, years of history since there have been many guinea pigs, many experiments, GIs standing in front of exploding, detonating atomic weapons, you name it.
We have a legitimate elected government, though in my belief structure, many of them are sold out.
But that is not the problem.
The problem is a secret government, and nobody has ever been able to determine precisely who constitutes the secret government, who gives the orders to whom.
Does anybody really sit on top dictating the orders?
My inputs and my information indicates that we have a complicated problem involving aliens who are attempting to control our earthly governments and giving various inputs, instructions and orders.
And we have a group here, which was loosely called the New World Order, trying to set up a whole new regime, which is nothing new.
It's as old as history and very despotic.
But the question is, and I don't think there is an answer, who is really running show?
However, once had a severe accident, aged very rapidly and essentially died.
And since the technology at that point had advanced to the point where we had time travel, he went back and contacted father and says, your son is dying.
Get busy and make a new son.
So his fifth wife, the new Duncan, was born in 1951.
But the personality of the old Duncan did not enter the body until 1963.
And that we've been able to prove under hypnosis that that is the fact that what happened because when you tried to take him back earlier in 63, he's on the decks of the Eldridge and he had no interest in the whole Florida experiment.
He has occasionally, and occasionally I've gotten him out on the lecture circuit to talk about the Philadelphia experiment, but he doesn't like to talk about it too much.
He's a very shy and retiring person.
He was a mainstay at Montauk, and he was anything but shy during that period.
However, as it collapsed, or before it collapsed, he became rather reticent and shy, and he's been that way ever since.
I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast, A.M. Judge, too quickly.
Perhaps you should hear a fax that just came in.
This is from Marie.
Addressed to Art and guest now gone, of course.
Subject, corroborating events of the Philadelphia Experiment.
Art, I have faxed this information to you in the past, but I'll restate the information passed on to me by a daughter of a crewman, one of the crewmen on one of the experimental ships.
He, the father, was not on the ship that day.
He was, however, aware of the following symptoms experienced by his former shipmates after the ship reappeared.
Some were dead.
Some unaccountable.
Some found merged with the ship in the metal, literally.
Some were still alive, some untouched.
Most left alive were put into mental wards.
A few were able to function amongst other men on base for some time.
One of them was observed eating in the cafeteria.
His hand and the fork literally began to disappear.
One walked through a wall.
They'd fade in and out.
To those observing them, those who faded would fade back in.
There was a newspaper article saved by the family of the daughter mentioned above.
It would have authenticated the events of one of the experiments.
Her father told her of more than one experiment.
One in which the ship ended up in another harbor farther south, having begun on northern Atlantic coast of the USA.
One in which the ship disappeared.
So many things your guest has said are the same things I was told by her before 1992.
He's stating so many things that are the same that this must have happened.
I was the one who called earlier about Carl Allen.
Carl Allen.
The strangest thing, Art, you're not going to believe this, but you put me on hold the first time, and I heard a click, and then another click, and then I heard a ringing tone.
But with regard to diseases in general, one might imagine there is, of course, always the danger of a little bug, a virus, something like Ebola, racing through humanity and virtually destroying it.
If time travel is possible, then one might imagine the Earth, literally the population of the Earth, could be saved by manipulation of time.
Anybody out there who doesn't listen to what's going on, whether you reject a great deal of what you hear or not, and do some basic preparation, is out of their minds.
I really mean that.
You're out of your mind.
And of course, you will be the first to go.
Those who are unprepared, whatever happens, will be the first to go.
And even if none of it happens, and we just have the continued disruptive weather patterns and killer tornadoes and hurricanes and all the rest of it, if you have prepared, you have done a good thing for your family.
You were talking in a show earlier this week about gun control and how you didn't believe it had anything to do with some of the young people going in their classroom and very blowing people away for no reason.
Yeah, if you take away the guns, for example, the young man who, our most recent horrible incident, as you know, occurred in Oregon, right?
Yes.
Well, he, that young man, when they, of course, apprehended him and searched his home, they found more guns and at least five large sophisticated anti-personnel bombs.
So if we were to have taken the guns away from him and he wanted to kill a bunch of people, he still could have done it.
So if you really think gun control would prevent this sort of thing, tell me how.
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Oh, no, I don't.
I actually wanted to agree with you because I grew up in the country and me and all my friends had guns.
When we were 14, 15 years old, we grew up hunting with guns and none of us ever thought of using them against anyone else.
Everybody when I grew up had guns.
It was a commonplace thing.
And I'm not a very old guy, but we never ever thought of going in and blowing away our classmates.
So I just wanted to agree with you on that comment.
He told me a lot of facts that I had no idea what he was talking about.
And then I started listening to your show, and someone on your show, I think it was some old colonel or something, he was about my dad's age, and he said something was, quote, unquote, exactly what my dad said.
He was in a hospital, after having been on the Navy.
He underwent shock treatment after this situation in the Navy where all he told me was he got on the ship, he was in the ship, getting ready to go across the ocean, and then he was diagnosed with some medical problem, taken off the ship, and given shock treatment and told crazy, and in my opinion, brainwashed, because now every time I ask him, the more and more I got into probing him, the less and less he would tell me.
He's a recluse that lives way out on a ranch, far, far away from any city as you can get.
Something similar to what I'm sure maybe you sound like you're in.
I mean, this guy, I don't know what it is about it, but then now he tells me he never even went on the ship.
Each time I get closer to telling him, you know, it's like he knows the whole story, but he's trusting in the government and he won't dispose the information.
You've got to remember there's lots of normal citizens in Roswell.
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Oh, no.
This is why I'm coming to believe.
So I didn't know that.
I thought it was just an Air Force base because I was adopted on an Air Force base, and I never even knew that that was actually like a city or anything.
And then I heard your term, somebody mentioned a double dimple baby's adopted from Roswell.
I think that if they would be less condescending and pompous about what they've got and be more explicit and try to get more down to earth because the mainline press...
I want to alert everybody, there has been a very serious X-class flare and coronal mass ejection on the sun.
And if they would like to see it, they can.
I suggest they go to my website and go to the links down at the bottom where it says links.
And the first link will take you to actual photographs of what's going on on the sun.
And you can go see a prediction.
But we are having one hell of a magnetic storm right now that may even affect electrical grids.
We're actually having that storm as I speak.
Just wanted to get that in.
Peter?
Yeah.
What's going on?
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Very interesting.
Well, we had so many fascinating reports during the month of April, Art.
I almost don't know where to begin.
I've been sitting here for the last couple of hours trying to make heads or tails out of a month's worth of data.
And every time I stumble upon a new case that came in during the month, I say, oh, that's the case I should include as well.
But the case that I would like to focus on, I think it's the most interesting, it's the most well-documented.
From my standpoint, it's the closest to home.
And perhaps the most interesting is a case that occurred on the 22nd of April Wednesday night that I alluded to and described briefly on Dreamland just about eight days ago.
But we have more data now.
I'm back in Seattle.
We have the written reports.
We've talked to the witnesses to this alleged object that went from north to south over the state of Washington.
We don't know what the elapsed time was, but my suspicion is it was probably less than a minute, maybe two minutes at the most.
And the reason that it is so interesting to me is that we now have solid evidence, Art, and this is the most interesting thing, I think, to our audience.
We now have solid evidence that the object slowed down and almost came to a stop over the very high security nuclear weapons storage facility at Bangor Submarine Base, just about 20 miles west of Seattle.
The reason we know this, and this sort of cuts to what Bob Dean has said on your programs in the past with regard to an incident that occurred, I think, sometime back in the 1960s, when allegedly a disc was reported above a missile silo.
I think it was somewhere out in Montana, maybe out of Melmstrom Air Force Base.
But don't forget, Peter, the Air Force doesn't investigate these kinds of things because they're not a threat to national security.
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Yeah, that's obviously the case.
They may not be a threat to the Air Force, but in my very lengthy conversation with a very nice gentleman in the public relations office of Bangor Submarine Facility today, I got the distinct impression that the Navy is much more interested in these alleged non-events than the Air Force is.
And we got admission today from that Office of Public Affairs that people inside the Bangor submarine facility apparently reported this incident as well.
So we have multiple sightings from outside the base and apparent tentative corroboration of these reports from personnel inside the base, although I'm quick to admit that we don't know the details surrounding those alleged reports inside the base.
I would not imagine you would.
And we may never.
And I have to be frank with our listeners.
I'm going to play some audio cuts here in the course of this program tonight, I hope, that will give our listeners a very good feeling for the quality of data we have on this case.
It is very good.
It comes from multiple sources, seemingly independent sources.
And I just have to say that my gut instincts tell me that this is a very interesting case.
There's a great deal more investigation that has to be done, of course.
We don't yet know for sure, but the facts...
The object went north to south across the state of Washington.
Yes.
With a stop on the way.
Actually, two.
Actually, two stops on the way.
Changed direction twice.
And did all this in the course of a minute or two?
Yes.
Change directions, was seen to come down vertically, Possibly vertically through solid overcast about 20 miles north of Seattle, although that's not entirely clear quite yet.
Is there any way, by the way, of estimating the geography covered in the time, estimating speeds with the stops in mind?
Has anybody done that?
Yeah, elapsed time and distances are known.
It covered probably 200 to 250 miles in, I'm guessing now, a minute or less.
And that includes its slowing, apparently, allegedly slowing down to a virtual standstill over what's known as the SWIFT pack, the special weapons storage facility for the Pacific Fleet, which is located at the Bangor Submarine Facility.
Holy smokes.
That includes about a five-second or so stop over that facility, and it apparently sped up and passed over Olympia at a very high rate of speed.
By the time it got down to Vancouver, it sounds to us at this time, of course, all of this is subject to amendment following our investigations, but it sounds that it slowed down somewhat near Vancouver, Washington.
And just last Wednesday, we got a report from Portland, Oregon as well.
It was seen there.
But in that case, it was not going north to south.
It was allegedly going west to east.
So that was the second turn we believe that the object may have made in the course of about a minute.
All right, why don't you give us whatever audio you might have on this?
Yeah, the first cut I would like to play is one of the first reports we got on the evening of the 22nd of April, Wednesday.
Comes from a young lad, age 16, goes to school up in Snoomish County, just about 20 miles north of Seattle.
He and his mother were witness to something that they believe came down through the clouds.
Here's about a 60-second cut of what this lad had to report he and his mother saw.
Here we go.
All right.
Did you see on the 22nd of April, Peter?
Well, I saw a blue light that seemed to hover in the clouds.
It was blue in the center, light blue in the center with a blue yolk almost around it.
It hovered there for about 30 seconds and, or, excuse me, about three seconds when it started to grow a tail.
And it was still stable when it grew the tail.
And then it shooted down across the sky at about a 45-degree angle.
And that took for about five to six seconds for it to shoot down across the sky and disappear below the horizon.
In what direction do you think UFA was going as it left your position?
From my position, it was headed about south, I believe.
And where were you located at the time of your sighting, please?
I was located about three miles south of Kenwanda Gulf Park, Miss Mahawa.
Mm-hmm.
Okay, so about roughly 20 miles north of Seattle.
Yeah.
Okay.
That sounds like something out of Star Trek.
It grew a tail and then...
Give it.
Well, okay, absolutely.
Go right ahead.
Let me go to the next cut.
It's about 100 seconds long, I think.
That's fine.
A little bit longer.
This is the report we took from a gentleman who is located very close to the periphery of Bangor Submarine Base.
He got a very good look at this, and I'm just going to leave it up to him to describe what he saw.
All right.
Here we go.
Bangor Submarine Base, 22nd of April.
Okay, it was approximately 9.20 p.m. on Wednesday evening, and I live about a half mile from the Bangor submarine base.
I was looking out a second floor bedroom window towards the base when I noticed a circular dish-shaped object approximately three-quarter mile from my house.
It was also about 300 feet above the ground, about 200 feet above the tree line.
The object appeared to be 50 to 60 feet long and was moving from a north to south direction towards the center of the Bangor submarine base.
It was circular, but it was tilted at about, it seemed to be tilted at about a 35 degree angle with the bottom towards me.
And because of that tilt, there was a slight oval shape to it.
And what did you see on the bottom of it?
The entire bottom of the craft was glowing with a white light.
It wasn't a bright light that shone down to the ground.
It was more just a very bright white glow.
Except for the center section, there was a circular area in the center that comprised about 30% of the diameter of the disk.
And that center section was black.
The center section was black.
Holy mackerel.
And that object was, so far as we can tell, at this point, directly over the bunkers that are located on Bangor Submarine Facility.
What bunkers are those?
For the storage of, no doubt, very special military assets, special weapons.
Nuclear?
I would presume that's the case, but it's a very highly guarded facility.
I've never been there.
I've flown over it.
I've seen it.
It looks like a very posh Dallas suburb, except everything is underground.
Long, long roads with bunkers with roads leading to each one of them.
So I'm fairly certain that the contents are very high-priority military assets.
All right, hold that report until after the break.
Thank you very much.
Peter Davenport, a very, very good investigation.
Well, what do you think they might want with our assets?
That's pretty curious stuff, huh?
Headed toward the bottom of the hour, the top of the hour tonight with big news from the Vatican is Father Malachi Martin.
It is going to be one whale of a week.
Stay right where you are.
Incredible unfolding story of something that flew north to south, then did some jogs and stops, and cruised right over our assets at the Bangor submarine base.
Again, everything we report at this stage is tentative.
It's under investigation.
We may find out certain facts that may change our opinion in the future.
But what our listeners are hearing tonight is our best guesstimate of what happened just about 12 nights ago over the state of Washington.
I'd like to play one or two more cuts here that will give our listeners a little deeper understanding of what was seen further to the south, and it underscores just how anomalous this object and this event apparently were.
We had several reports in rapid sequence, making this case what we refer to as a self-corroborating case in the sense that people, apparently independently of one another, are reporting the same event with all of its peculiarities as viewed from their respective vantages.
And one significant thing, nobody has reported any sound whatsoever.
There was no sonic boom, which is characteristic of a meteor in most, or not most circumstances, but in circumstances in which the object was seen to apparently come as close to the ground as this one was, one is apt to hear sonic booms.
And the first cut I played from about 20 miles north of Seattle had the object below solid overcast.
And that was at a measured 5,000 feet above ground level, I think it is.
At the speeds you're talking about, windows should have been broken down across the state.
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Houses might have been blown off their foundations by an object doing this velocity at less than 5,000 feet above ground level.
The next cut is very interesting.
It comes from a woman who is down just south of Olympia, Washington near Rochester, Washington.
She and her son were driving to the west.
And, well, let me just play what they have to report that they saw shortly after this last report I just played.
Here we go.
And what did you see, please?
Okay, on Wednesday, April 22nd at about 9.20 p.m., my two sons and I were driving west on Hunter Road Southwest, which is about a mile north of Highway 12 between Rochester and Oakville, Washington.
And this object sky, very quickly we saw something that looked like a tail, a green tail, but it was only for a split second that we saw that, and then the object continued on by itself without the tail, and it was a little smaller than the moon in comparison to us.
And it had a greenish glow around the whole entire object, but it also had three little areas above and below that looked like there was maybe a place where lights were showing or something that had a little different glow to them, more of a whitish color or yellowish colour.
And how long did you estimate you just watched it, please?
We must have seen it about two to three seconds, and it went very quickly, much quicker than any airplane or jet that we've ever seen.
And it was going from a north-south direction at about a, I'd say, 55, 45 to 60 degree angle, I could say.
And it was, to us, it looked like it kind of followed the mountain, the hillside that we have over here.
And it did a little funny jog back up the same way that the mountain does.
And that's why I thought that's not a meteor or meteorite because it was able to go back up and then continue on the flight path that it was going on.
And then it went down below the tree line.
And I expected to either see an explosion or something or see it bounce back up because it was right down close to where the horizon is, the ground.
So that's her description.
And this is the third person who has reported to us that the object maneuvered in one respect or another.
And not only that, but she describes in great detail at another point during our conversation how it appeared to have three lights situated on the top of a disk-shaped object and three lights on the bottom.
Now, there's the possibility that it was some kind of optical illusion because it was very close to the horizon or very close to the outline of a mountain to the west of her vantage point.
I gather sometimes when a very bright light is close to the horizon, tricks can be played on the human visual system.
But she described it in great detail as to how it maneuvered.
Well, if it were going horizontally, the Earth is curved.
If it was not maintaining a certain altitude and simply traversed the horizon, it would appear to be up and go down and then go back up again.
Yep.
And that object was then reported from Vancouver, Washington by a couple who had a very good look at it.
And just Wednesday night of last week, we got a report from a young gentleman, a musician, who was coming out of a facility down there, and he saw the object going from west to east, he believes it was.
So the object, we presume, may have made a turn somewhere down near Portland, Oregon.
And all of them reported the object was absolutely silent.
Nothing was hurt.
But that was one of, I estimate, about four dozen good cases during the month of April, Art.
And I almost regret focusing on this case, as interesting as it is, because it ignores the case that was reported to us on the 11th of April, a commercial airliner in airspace above Edwards Air Force Base that was called up by Joshua Control, Joshua Center.
That's the air traffic control center at Edwards Air Force Base.
They called up this particular airline pilot.
I've spoken with him myself.
They apprised him that he had two objects that had just passed his aircraft going the opposite direction from his direction of flight.
And they did an instant 180-degree turn change of direction.
And they're now pursuing his aircraft.
And they suddenly were seen to accelerate on radar.
It's one of the reasons that I have severe reservation about a professional military, because when you and I were in the military, I presume we were in about the same time.
And those individuals who were drafted into the military, I think, to a large degree, serve to keep the military honest.
Just as a free press keeps a democracy honest, many of those draftees kept the professional military honest.
Yeah, I'll tell you, you're right.
In the career military, there's a lot of politic that goes on.
Absolutely.
Unbelievable amounts of it.
And everybody's afraid of losing his career, losing his promotion, losing his retirement pension.
That's right.
And consequently, they can be leaned on.
Of course, let me be fair with those people in the military.
They are under civilian control.
They can do nothing that they are not allowed by their superior officer to do or say.
We all understand that.
But I think it is unfortunate, is the most polite thing I can say, that in a democracy, the military can be in a position where they deny the civilians.
The military is under civilian control constitutionally, but when you're in the Air Force, you are under the control of, if you are enlisted, your first sergeant and your commanding officer and a whole lot of people above that before you would ever think about civilian control.
So if somebody tells you to shut your mouth, you know, somebody like your commander, you shut your mouth.
A commercial airliner was flying from Chicago, O'Hare, down to Dallas.
They were at 31,000 feet reportedly over Oswego, Kansas.
And they had, allegedly, according to the FAA who took the report, an object go right in front of them from right to left at their altitude or a little bit above them, 31,000 feet again.
And we got in contact with the airline with flight operations.
We are in the process of assembling all of our data from the month of April.
We're going to post it soon.
Also, we're going to have our monthly meeting up here in the state of Washington this coming Saturday, the 9th of May.
And I'm going to be presenting a lot of these data and a lot more than we can cover in an hour on this program that will give people a better understanding of what was going on all across the country during last month.
It was truly dramatic.
Yeah, I knew April was going to be a big month, and it did not disappoint.
That makes it, I guess, the 12th of April, if I'm not mistaken.
A gentleman in Whiteville, North Carolina was outside framing a house.
He's a carpenter.
And he put his tape measure up against a wall, and his eye was captured by something moving in the sky.
And I'm just going to let him describe in his own words what he saw.
This is a daytime sighting.
And then after that, I'll describe the tape that is on its way to us that places a disc in proximity to the Blue Angels last July, June 8th, 1997, on the outskirts of Philadelphia.