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March 27, 1998 - Art Bell

03:09:41

Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Robert Ghostwolf - Rocky Mountain Discoveries

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning.
		This may be across all these many time zones from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Island chains in the west, eastward to the Caribbean, south into South America, and north to the Pole.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		Good morning.
		This will be a paradigm shattering program.
		This morning, Robert Ghostwolf has just returned from a month in the U.S. Colorado Rockies, or maybe I better correct that and just say the Rockies.
		All right?
		What he has found is going to cause a lot of people to rethink a lot of things as if we weren't already regarding our origins.
		It's that big.
		Now I'll tell you this.
		For those of you who have computers, you can begin heading up to my website right now.
		And if you will scroll down to Robert Ghostwolf's name, you will see the link.
		Click on that, and you will get a set of photographs.
		And I am not now going to tell you what it is.
		We'll do sort of the double blind reverse test.
		You go take a look at what it is.
		And if this doesn't blow your mind, if this doesn't cause you to begin thinking about our origins and whether we really know the whole truth or not, then you're just not thinking.
		So to be kind of interesting, in this first hour, I'm telling you, if you have a computer, if you have access to a computer, if you can borrow, beg, don't steal a computer, whatever you can do, get to one, go to my website, and just take a look at what Robert Ghostwolf has found.
		Is that dramatic enough for you?
		Well, it deserves that much drama.
		It really does.
		As a matter of fact, it has been blowing my mind all day long.
		So in the next hour, Robert Ghostwolf back from a quest and a successful quest and tonight's guest.
		So all of that, ladies and gentlemen, directly ahead.
		I'm telling you, I'm telling you.
		I guess I ought to give my website, huh?
		For those of you who might not have it, www.artbell.com.
		www.artbell, that's A-R-T-B-E-L-L-L lowercase.com.
		Scroll down to Robert Ghostwolf's name and take a look.
		When I first saw it, I went, oh my God.
		And I phoned Richard Hoagland and I led Richard to a, at that point, secret page, and I had him look at this, and he went, oh my God.
		And then I tried a couple others.
		I tried my boss at the network.
		Same reaction.
		Oh, my God.
		Then I called Bob Crane down at the C-Crane Company, and I had him look, and he went, oh, my God.
		So it's an, oh, my God, kind of reaction all the way around.
		I'm telling you, take a look.
		You're looking at our own Colorado or our own Rockies.
		When you think about the future, do you see the economy getting better or worse?
		With a small investment of your time, it really doesn't matter, frankly, because you can control your own destiny.
		Maybe with a half hour's work a day.
		I'm talking about commodities, which have earned a kind of a dirty rep from the media.
		But look, commodities are really nothing more than things that people need.
		Gold, copper, orange juice, heating oil, beans, cattle.
		Things people need that are traded.
		And Ken Roberts can teach you to do what he has done.
		He is now a multi-millionaire.
		And while this is not built as a get-rich-quick scheme, it is not really.
		It's a step-by-step process in which you learn to invest on paper.
		As you learn from Ken, you learn to invest on paper.
		And only when you are ready to use real money do you begin using it.
		It works.
		Call them.
		1-800-GOLDKRC.
		You receive, free of charge, no obligation, a complete report and audio tape that lays the whole thing out.
		So call them.
		How can you not?
		1-800-465-3572.
		Now, absolutely fresh flowers.
		A flower farm in Southern California.
		They do one thing and they do it exceptionally well, and you are the beneficiary or whoever you send the flowers to.
		There is no better deal on flowers in America.
		This is it.
	Now, the reason you're getting the deal, I'll just tell you straight out.
	It's a flower farm.
	They're selling them to you at the wholesale rate.
	Several years ago, the wholesale market began to tighten up.
	Dexter Yard, who owns the flower farm, decided, why not sell straight to the American people and just give them a really good deal?
	What a good idea it was.
	It works, folks.
	Call them.
	Delivery, by the way, is next day.
	You call today and boom, they get the flowers there tomorrow.
	The number is 1-800-562-6438.
	You can call that 24 hours a day, including right now, 1-800-562-6438.
	I'm here to tell you an amazing story.
	Late last year, an unbelievable discovery was made of U.S. $20 gold pieces.
	They were found in a Wells Fargo bank here in Nevada.
	Not only was the size of the find incredible, but the quality of the coins equally unbelievable.
	Bizarre, how you can start one if you want.
	To find An Art Bell chat club is just that.
	It is a place where people discuss the kinds of things that we talk about here on the air, frequently having guests lecture and that sort of thing.
	They are not, I repeat, they are not fan clubs.
	Here with an update on the chat clubs from Denver is Tim Cannon.
	Tim, welcome.
	Broadcasting from 20 states in five Canadian provinces with 50,000 watts of Twin Cities Radio.
	You're listening to AM1500 KSTB, St. Paul, Minneapolis.
unidentified		You can go, be one.
		You're listening to AM1500 KSTB.
		The End From the Kingdom of Nigh, this is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell.
		From east of the Rockies, call ART at 1-800-825-5033.
		West of the Rockies, including Montana, in Colorado and New Mexico, at 1-8255.
		First-time callers may reach Art at Area Code 702-727-1222.
		And you may fax ART at area code 702-727-8499.
		Please limit your faxes to one or two pages.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell.
		Now again, here's Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
		All right.
		I'm going to say this again.
		Get up to my website, scroll down to the name Robert Ghost Wolf, and get ready for the shock of your lifetime.
		We have been talking a lot lately with all kinds of guests, from astronomers to investigators, to religious people, to, you name it, about our origins, about where we came from, who we are.
		Robert Ghostwolf, in a one-month quest in the Rockies, has come up with a big, big piece of the puzzle.
		And so I suggest you get up there and take a look-see.
		It's at my website, www.artbell.com.
		Are you now?
		One more item, and then we are a little more than caught up, which is what I want to be because of the drama of what is coming this next hour.
		I'm telling you.
		All right.
unidentified		It's time.
unidentified		Now, I can do this two ways.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do it with my mic open, or I can close my mic.
unidentified		Now I have closed my mic, and all you're going to hear is my voice altered.
		Now I'm going to rub it up for you a little bit.
		Listen to this.
		Hello, 1234, 1234, 1234.
		Now, do I sound like Art Bell?
		I don't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is a demonstration of a voice changer.
		Oh, that's fun.
		I have had so much fun with that thing, and so can you.
		It's a 16-bit piece of digital technology that weighs only 7 ounces, operates on batteries, 3 AA batteries, and you can have a blast with this thing, or you can use it for practical and hopefully moral reasons.
		But I can tell you this, they will not recognize your voice.
		You see, I can enhance the effect a little bit by closing my microphone all the way so that you don't get a mixture.
		That's it.
		$69.95.
		Call Bob Crane in the morning, get one on the way.
		It's 1-800-522-8863.
		1-800-522-8863, The C. Crane Company.
		The announcement I am going to leave to Robert Ghostwolf, and he certainly deserves to make the announcement of what he has found in the Rockies, but it's going to shake you.
		Now, what I'm suggesting is that you just go up there now and take a look.
		If any of you prior to his announcement would like to react to what you see, I'd appreciate a facts at Area Code 702-727-8499.
		If you're sitting there frustrated because you do not have a computer, don't worry.
		It will be described to you in detail, and we will, of course, continue to have this page and these photographs, the photographic proof, sitting there for you throughout the weekend.
		So if you don't make it through right away, just hang in there, and if you don't have a computer, don't worry.
		We're going to tell you what's there.
		Well, a big breaking story about a respiratory care employee at Glendale Adventist Medical Center who is confessing to killing between 40 and 50 patients that he believed were so ill they were close to death.
		Now, he has not yet, as far as I know, been arrested.
		They are looking into this very carefully.
		I wonder why he suddenly admitted it.
		Guilt, I think.
		He confessed.
		Do you think that it was guilt?
		He said he had a criteria for killing them.
		They had to be unconscious, have a do not resuscitate order, and look like they were ready to die.
		Look like they were ready to die, really.
		That's quite a judgment for one person to make.
		In Jonesboro, the horrid tragedy goes on.
		The Fed say they will not prosecute these children, 11 and 13.
		These children who, with forethought and malice, are accused of luring students and teachers into an area where they could be picked off at will with rifles.
		It is a part of the quickening.
		I saw a kind of interesting interview earlier tonight on CNN.
		They interviewed several primary school teachers of varying degrees of experience.
		And they all agreed on one thing.
		Today's children are very, very different than those of 20 years ago.
		Their attitudes, their rebelliousness, their absolute disinterest in authority figures.
		And it went on and on and on and on.
		Yes, there is a change in our children.
		But is that really a surprise to you, those of you who have been listening to this program for any sort of period of time at all?
		Is it really a surprise?
		I think not.
		But I don't pretend to understand it either.
		One other item.
		Earlier tonight, Mount Aetna blew her top.
		Actually, it was earlier in the afternoon, and one of you alert people out there who have been watching the Aetna Live page called me, actually faxed me, and said, good Lord, look at Aetna.
		And I did, and so did Keith.
		And sure enough, boy, she was blowing.
		And I think we've got those photographs on the website as well, the poor burdened website.
		Somebody sent me a fax and said, also, Mount Shasta appears to be awakening as of 11 a.m.
		Pacific.
		Several three-point magnitude and many two-point magnitude shakes have been occurring in the area of Mount Shasta.
		Now, we've had earthquakes.
		A big one in Italy.
		Do you see that?
		A very large one in the Antarctic, 7.9 in the Antarctic.
		And now we're beginning to get activity, volcanic activity hither and yon.
		That, too, might be adding up to something.
		Or you could say, well, these are very diverse places, Art.
		No big deal.
		These mountains are active.
		They erupt every now and then.
		They do indeed.
	But I think there is a relationship between the earthquakes, the volcanic activity.
	Don't you?
	No?
	Well, it seems to me there could be.
	Maybe, probably is.
	But that's just me.
	One more item, and then we'll take some calls.
	Art, listening to your show last night, you discussed what NASA released with respect to El Niño.
	Like, see this came from a client.
	El Nino, the phenomenon disrupting the weather in the Pacific and the Americas, getting ready to rain here again, by the way, has made the days longer than usual.
	The U.S. Space Agency said Wednesday that February 5th was the longest day of all, about six-tenths of a millisecond above normal.
	The Earth is actually slowing down because of El Nino.
	However, NASA believes that as El Nino lessens, if it does, the Earth will once again speed up.
	And I know a lot of people have explained this to me, but I still don't properly understand how bad weather slows the rotation of the Earth.
	But apparently, it does.
	All right, to the phones, we go.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, there art.
unidentified		It's Vince in Chicago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Vince.
unidentified		The San Diego Chat Club, they've got quite a treat with Richard Hoagland and David John Oates for the bargain price in 1950.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		1945.
unidentified		It might be a deal even at $33, actually.
		Those guys are great.
		You know, the show last night, I really did enjoy that.
		Even with all the metaphorical reversals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I meant to point that out, and I still feel the same way.
		And here it is.
		I understand that those who have achieved a pretty good degree of understanding of the nature of reverse speech can grasp and understand the metaphoric reversals.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't think we can dismiss those because...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I simply think it is difficult for the vast majority of the audience to grasp them early on.
unidentified		It allows a lot of openness to interpretation, but I think there's definitely a story being told with the metaphors, just like in the Bible.
unidentified		Oh, the Bible is very metaphorical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's metaphoric.
		There's absolutely no question about it, Vince.
		No question about it.
		But here's the thing.
		When you consider the world of reverse speech, and it is a world that is just beginning to have the light dawn upon it, when you consider that world, and it's a very wide world dominated, actually, by metaphoric reversals, you've also got to consider how best to get the American people to understand it.
		And as you pointed out, Vince, metaphors are interpretive.
		And it gives the critics of reverse speech much more of an opportunity to criticize.
		I mean, the more controversial something is, obviously, the harder you can go after it.
		And it makes it very easy for them to say what, BS.
		Come on.
		Not only is it difficult to hear in reverse, But now you're ascribing a meaning to it that is coming from your own mind.
		So that's my attitude about metaphors.
		I too believe that they're absolutely accurate and that it is a completely valid line of research.
		I just think, though, that for the beginning stages of those hearing reverse speech, it's almost indigestible.
		And as you learn more and more and you calibrate your ear, we talked about that a little bit last night, then you can move into the metaphors.
		And you've got to remember that David John Oates himself said that he took years and years and years before he began to understand the reverse metaphors.
		East of the Rockies, you're on air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Richard in Sarasota.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I wanted to comment on the reverse speech show last night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm a psychologist.
		I work a lot with unconscious kinds of things.
		And what I noticed was that it seemed to me that when they told you what you were supposed to hear, you heard it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that is absolutely true to some degree.
		Now, the caller who I had on with David, I think it was in the first hour, absolutely proved that.
		I mean, he came up with another meaning for exactly the same reversal.
		And I agreed, if you'll recall, that to me it could be the one.
unidentified		Yeah, and I heard it too.
		When David John Oates said it was feel the heat, I heard that.
		When the other guy said feel the feet, I heard that too.
		So did I. So there's a lot of interpretation that goes on from our subconscious mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I quite agree.
unidentified		You know, and this is a very interesting thing, and I'm looking forward to see how it pans out.
unidentified		But I don't think it's quite as exact as it's being presented.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a little tough judgment for us to make because David has been doing this for many, many years.
unidentified		And in my experience with patients, I mean, I deal with unconscious stuff all the time.
		And the meanings are very specific to the person.
		And the symbols and metaphors and things that they come up with are really specific to them rather than more universal.
		And it's hard to know what it exactly means.
		That's all I'm really saying here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I hear you.
		I guess that is the business you are in.
		In a way, to do the interpretations, it's also the business David is in.
unidentified		Right, right.
		I accept that.
		But when I was listening last night, I said, well, there's a lot more to this thing that meets the eye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all.
		Right.
		Thank you very much.
		It is by no means debunked because somebody comes on the air and says, well, it sounds to me like this.
		And the fact that I agree with that, I think even David would tell you that this is a developing science.
		And I am absolutely convinced, actually, I passed that threshold a long time ago, that reverse speech is real.
		Now, there are controversial aspects of it, and that is so with any new science.
		And I believe it is a new science.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		I'm calling from Florida at WOKV 690.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, ma'am.
unidentified		And what I heard last night was, feel the beat.
		Feel the beat.
		That's all I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was it?
unidentified		That was it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
		Oh, hi.
unidentified		All right.
		This is Wayne calling from Honolulu.
		I was wondering next time you have Richard Haugland on, can you ask him if he thinks that the submarine experiments in the Pacific Ocean had anything to do with hyperdimensional earth physics, since the big island is at 19.5 degrees Celsius?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He is going to be on later tonight.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Oh, he is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Oh, could you ask him that?
unidentified		If those Navy submarine experiments could fall in line with hyperdimensional earth physics, because there was an earthquake in Antarctica just a few days after that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		That was a big earthquake.
		Yeah, 7.9 is what I got.
		And what I heard is almost nothing.
		I mean, did you hear about it on the evening news?
unidentified		No, it was just a brief mention.
		And then they said it went up from the Antarctic, and then other reports were from New Zealand.
		But then I got this EarthGrid book, and then it has a map, and then it shows, like, Hawaii lining up with...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's what we're going to do.
		Tonight, Richard is going to only be making a brief appearance reacting to what Robert Ghostwolf has found.
		But next week, we will do an entire show on Tuesday with Richard.
		So it might be more appropriate to hold it for then.
		But believe me, we'll get to it.
unidentified		Oh, great.
		All right.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		And take care.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		Turn your radio off, please.
		That's number one.
		Good.
		Where are you?
		Hello.
		Going once, going twice.
		Gone.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, Mr. Bell, on your blonde jokes, I've had one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is not a joke.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It really happened.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It was about three weeks ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		You can't do it.
		Okay.
		It will start the war again.
		Okay, well, this one was a true story.
		Nevertheless, the moment you said blonde jokes, you made me.
		All the alarm bells went off.
		Even if it's a true story, and for all I know, a lot of blonde jokes are true stories, right?
		But you will start the war, and I can't let you do that.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, I kind of like the war going.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I kind of enjoyed the jokes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm glad you enjoyed it, but you have no idea what it did to my life.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, all I can say is better you than me, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you can call up anonymously, lay down your little blonde joke, start an entire war all over again, and leave.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I enjoy listening to it.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I don't miss it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't do it.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		You have a good evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You too.
		Take care.
		No, the war is over.
		For now.
		Unless I receive any more serious blows from the other side.
		East of the Rockies, you're Javier.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, it's Audrey in Tulsa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Audrey.
unidentified		A couple of things.
unidentified		First of all, we've announced on the news tonight got our first case of flesh-eating bacteria.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy, you're going to have to speak up.
		You're so weak.
		Talk right into the phone, hunt.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Flesh-eating disease.
unidentified		Bacteria.
		Here in Tulsa, they say it's the same strain that hit Texas.
		It was a little boy with chickenpox.
		He got it from an open wound from one of his sores that he scratched open.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nevertheless, if you talk to the CDC people, Linda interviewed them.
		They said, well, yes, you know, there does seem an unusual number of cases, but this is nothing more than the normal.
		I don't believe that.
unidentified		I don't either.
unidentified		And the only thing they told us to do that was that there's a chickenpox vaccine available.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Real helpful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Real helpful.
		I appreciate the news.
		I'm up against the top of the hour.
		Get to my website, www.artbell.com, scroll down to the name Robert Ghostwolf, and prepare to be shocked.
unidentified		Moody River, more deadly than the latest life.
		Moody River, your daughter, took my baby's life last Saturday evening.
		Came to the old oak tree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brace yourself, folks.
unidentified		This stands beside the river where you were to meet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The news coming up is really shocking.
unidentified		On the ground, your glove I found with a note addressed to me.
		It read, Dear Love, I've done you wrong.
		I must set you free.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Talk Station, AM 1500 KSTP.
unidentified		AM 1500 KSTP.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		KSTP.
unidentified		To Trunk with Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nigh.
		From east of the Rockies, dial 1-800-825-5033.
		West of the Rockies, including Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico.
		1-800-618-8255.
		First-time callers may reach art at area code 702-727-1222.
		And you may call art on the wildcard line at area code 702-727-1295.
		To rechart from outside the U.S., first dial your access number to the USA, then 800-893-0903.
		This is Coast of Coast A.M. from the Kingdom of Nigh with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Prepare to have your mind blown.
		You're hearing music, coincidentally titled Ghost Dance.
		My guest is Robert Ghostwolf, a Native American of mixed blood.
		He'll tell you about himself in a moment.
		He has made a discovery in the Rocky Mountains of our own America, here in North America, that is so startling, so paradigm shattering, that you have got to get up and take a look at it.
		Now, my website is a good website.
		It's capable of handling a great deal of bandwidth.
		However, because we're making this announcement, because we've got photographs of all of this on the website, it is getting bogged down.
		Even with all the bandwidth we have, it is getting bogged down.
		So I have turned off the webcam, the live webcam.
		Please do not go to the webcam.
		We want people to be able to go and see these amazing photographs that Ghostwolf got.
		So I would urge you to go to my website, scroll down to the name Robert Ghostwolf, and go take a look at the photographs in question, which are about to be described by Robert Ghostwolf.
		Is it www.artbell.com?
		One more time.
		www.artbell.com.
		So all of that and Robert Ghostwolf coming up in just a moment.
		Ab, tell him you want the ignition system Art Bell has on his Hot Rod Metro.
		It's like a heart transplant for your car.
		That's 1-800-627-8800.
		And check out their webpage at www.jacobselectronics.com.
		All right, as background, in a way, for what we're about to do, I suppose, today's news is a background in a sort of a strange kind of way.
		There is a hospital aide in Los Angeles at Glendale Adventist Medical Center who is confessing to killing between 40 and 50 patients that he thought were ready to go.
		In Jonesboro, the tragedy continues as hundreds turned out to say goodbye for the last time to two or five people killed in that school's ambush by an 11 and 13-year-old.
		Mount Edna earlier today blew its top.
		Boy, what an eruption.
		And we captured the photographs for you.
		Those are on the website as well.
		And there are other interesting geophysical things going on right now.
		The ground is shaped all things.
		And we're beginning to get a few rumblings here near some of our mountains.
		At any rate, let us begin this incredible night of revelation by allowing, first of all, saying hello to Robert Ghostwolf.
		Hello, Robert.
		Hello, Art.
		How are you doing?
		I'm still floored.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		You're hanging in?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm hanging in.
		Sort of.
		But I'm floored by what you have found.
		Now, it was about, you tell me, Robert, how long ago did you, you sent me an email and you said you were going into the Rockies for a specific purpose looking for something, and that if you didn't get back, papers would reach me and that sort of thing.
		And I read that to the audience.
		Was that a month ago or more?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Just about, I guess, five weeks ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Five weeks.
		And I read that to the audience, and they said, I've been asking ever since, when, when, when, when is Grosswolf coming on?
		And they want to know, of course, what you have found, why you went, why you thought it was there, everything.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, it started out with my trying to explain to some of the elders that I work with that in order for people to understand the impact of what they had to say and the messages that they had to deliver, that they had to see hard facts.
		They had to see, we're basically dealing with a Missouri attitude.
		Show me, and I'll believe you.
		A lot of what we deal with in prophecy, a lot of what we deal with in telling ancient mysteries and disclosing the knowledges from various cultures, we deal with the mind, and we deal with potentialities, and we're dealing with concepts.
		And that leaves room for a lot of people to say, well, that could be or that couldn't be, or this is or that isn't, or, well, that may work for you, but it may not be for this.
		Or the Earth really isn't slowing down because of El Niño.
		It's just the way it appears at the moment.
		And what I wanted to do, because my main purpose in life is to build bridges, so we can understand the old knowledge and compare it to the new knowledge.
		So we can take 10,000-year-old prophecies and show the similarities of the prophecies between cultures, and that we can take them right now, today, home so that people can see beyond a question of a doubt that these things are happening.
		A lot of things that tend to happen in our own reality, we don't see whether we want to shut ourselves off to them, or we just don't want to ignore them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a good example of that, Robert, would I had Daniel Brinkley on the other night, and he gave us news of a new discovery in Egypt, which is dating way past 10,000 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They've discovered the ruins in Egypt, and this absolutely destroys everything Egyptians thought about themselves, and frankly, even throws into question whether the Egyptians built the Sphinx and the pyramids at all.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		I don't believe they did.
		I believe that the Egyptians came later.
		They came after these things were built.
		And as I've talked about on your show many times, I've seen a lot of different sites.
		I've seen pyramids.
		I've seen sphinxes.
		I talked about sphinxes that I saw in the St. Louis area, sphinxes that I saw in Florida.
		And the elders, when I was talking to them, they said to me, well, would you like to see something that would prove that they're there?
		I said, yeah.
		And they said, well, if you promise not to disclose the sites, we'll let you take pictures.
		And that's basically what I brought home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so then you were led to this site by elders, Hopi elders, other tribes?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		No, I was led here by a Mate who knew about these places.
		The stories have come down from the Ute Indians about this place and about our connection to the Star Nations, because I think that's a really important thing to get across to people that it is not a fantasy.
		It's not a conjecture.
		It's an actuality.
		And when I said, okay, but there better be something there, and they sent me some photographs, which I think I showed you a couple of at that time.
		And it was enough to substantiate to me that there was something there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this obviously it must be a very difficult to get to area because otherwise we'd all know about it.
		With what you got in those photographs, my God, we would have all known.
		So it's got to be in a very out-of-the-way place wherever it is.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It's in an out-of-the-way place.
		It is in an out-of-the-way place.
		And some of the problems that I ran into when I was there was strictly the weather because it was still snowing.
		And I was trying to transverse through 16 inches of snow through the Rockies.
		And every day we had to climb up with my party of people, which included some representatives from the Blackfoot Nation up in Canada that came down to see these things because they had stories about them.
		There was supposed to be a Lakota elder that was supposed to come, but he wound up getting ill and didn't join us.
		But every day we had to climb up basically 2,200 feet to the top of the site, which will be indicated when we get into the pictures.
		But we were at about 14,000 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		14,000 feet?
		Wow.
		Well, then it's no wonder that nobody has seen this, at least in the outside world until now.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of things, if I can put it that way, that are right around the corner in the mountains.
		But you don't go there because there's not a road that goes there.
		Or it's just too hard to transverse.
		Or they have signs that say, do not trespass.
		This is public park, but you can't come here.
		Or you can go into the canyons in Sedona and see things that people don't even know are there, and you can get lost in the labyrinth of canyons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you wrote me that email, Robert, you seemed to feel as though there was at least a chance you might not come back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that accurate?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		There is a chance.
		I felt that right now, to be frank.
		I'm being watched.
		I went in to discover not only an ancient city, but what could be a UFO base because I was interested in where do these ships come from and where do they go.
		We have a lot of stories about ships that come from the inner earth.
		We know that there are openings.
		We know that they come out from there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and before anybody else, anybody out there says, boy, is this Kookie, when you see what he has found, you will recognize, this goes to our origins.
		It goes to who we are, how we got here, whether we are the first or whether there have been other civilizations that have come and gone, whether there have been visitors from elsewhere that have produced these artifacts that are now beginning to be dated older than they possibly could be.
		So it's not so kooky, folks.
unidentified		Let's...
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, it didn't take me long to get there, but it just took me long to walk over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I mean by get there.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		You know, it was every day.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It was like we were going in, and it took most of the day to climb up to where you were going to go to the tops of where these formations were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At 14,000 feet, generally, you require oxygen.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Air gets pretty thin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		but it gets real thin.
		You can just bear I'll barely get away with it at 14,000.
		Barely.
		As a matter of fact, when I used to fly, we were required to take oxygen at about 12,005.
		So I'm sure you begin to get very light-headed.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		You can get light-headed if you don't pace yourself.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		But I'll tell you one thing, when I was up at the top, I could look straight across at the horizon, and I could see just about the very peaks of the continental divide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And there was nothing but mountains everywhere.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I mean, just everywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So even you, then, even you, were not willing to make this trek, this journey, until you had seen some photographs?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yes, because I hear a lot.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And to make a journey like this, to invest time to talk to elders, to ask them to come and to ask them what they knew about this location, to ask them if they had any stories or they had any knowledge of these kinds of places, people get very spectacle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Spectacle.
unidentified		Spectacle.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Skeptical.
unidentified		Yes.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And skeptical is like, yeah, yeah, we've heard that before.
		And, you know, there are these places, we know about them.
		But a lot of these places are even lost to our memory.
		Meaning, there's a lot of people in the native world right now who are going through their own trials and tribulations because so many of the elders are passing over and not passing their ways down.
		They don't know the ceremonies anymore, a lot of them in their whole entirety.
		I know amongst the Hopi, a lot of the elders, the Hopi Sinum, the spiritual leaders, many, most have passed over that remember their sacred songs and their sacred ceremonies.
		So you're dealing now with people trying to remember.
		And so a lot of these stories are lost, the facts about the stories.
		They remember things being told when they were younger about these kinds of places existing.
		But they don't have a hard record of them.
		So there we were, like, comes the middle of nowhere in the middle of the winter.
		And like, I was like, are you kidding me?
		Like, are we dealing with blizzard?
		What am I dealing with here?
		Is this like Admiral Bird?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Believe me, in a blizzard at 14,000 feet, you all could have been killed.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, the other thing about the mountains is the weather's really unstable.
		You know, it's like you can get up and it's sunny, and three hours later, you're in the middle of a snowstorm.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And particularly so this year with our friend El Nino.
		Just storm after storm raging over that area.
		Very dangerous journey, indeed.
		All right, look, I want you to give out your website so that you can help absorb the amount of bandwidth that we're trying to get these photographs.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we have these posted up at www.wolflodge.org.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		That's www.wolflodge.org.org.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Or you may go to my site.
		And now we must consider the fact that the bulk of the people out there do not have computers.
		The bulk of the people don't have computers.
		So it is time to tell them, describe for them those who are able to see the photographs and most particularly those who are not able to see them right now, what you found.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		What I found, I talk about in my books, Last Cry and Winds of Change.
		Last Cry is basically volume one, and Winds of Change is volume two.
		And I speak about ancient sites and ancient cities being discovered.
		There are eight such locations like this that I know of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that I know of between where I was in the Rockies down to South America.
		And what I'm going to be doing over the next year is documenting their existence.
		Because we are a lot older than we think.
		And I think that when you turn down to these pictures, and I'll try to describe them, if you go into my site, all you have to do is go through enter, and the first thing you'll see is Stargate Expedition.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what you called it, Stargate Expedition.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why did you call it that?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Because I'm working right now with coming up with the truth about knowledge, everything from the codes in the Bible to the deciphering of star maps and constellations and their correlations and meanings in ancient prophecies with scientific fact.
		And this is what Stargate is about.
		We found out so many things about how to cure diseases with frequencies, why people 10,000 years ago, 5,000 years ago built cities in the plan and format that they did.
		It wasn't just accidental.
		The geometry in which they built created energy waves and frequencies which helped consciousness.
		And, you know, it's funny, but if you go back 5,000 years ago, we were building temples and we were building pyramids and we were building everything to spirituality and the human spirit.
		Now we build banks, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And I think you've heard me, you've heard Richard say, Richard, and I both feel that we're a lot older than we are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I told you when I called Richard earlier, the website page at that point was secret.
		I gave him the address.
		He went and looked at it, and he just went, oh, my God.
		And that's going to be the reaction of many out there.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, why don't we enter the gateway?
		And when we go in, you'll see a series of photos.
		If you hit those photos, and I guess I'm going to try to go through them chronologically, in other words, the way that they're laid out on the page.
		And I'll say beforehand that not all of the photos and all of the evidence that I have is here, and that's deliberate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So now you have more photos than you post.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I have more photos and I have more information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why did you not post them?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Because I don't want any chance of these sites being disclosed until I sit down with the elders and with people who I can trust and they can trust and we can figure out the full impact and meaning of what we're...
unidentified		Well?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm serious about that.
		Look, we're at the bottom of the hour, so everybody gets hung up just a little bit.
		But don't worry, folks.
		When we come back, we're going to describe to you what's up there.
		Prepare yourselves.
		I'm telling you.
		From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
		Robert Ghostwolf is my guest, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
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unidentified		What's that scene?
		It's the best scene scene.
		Call Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nigh on the wildcard line at Area Code 702-727-1295.
		That's Area Code 702-727-1295.
		This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		I'm getting the same reaction across the board.
		Here's a fact, sir.
		Dear Art, after some difficulty getting to the site, I've seen the pictures in caps.
		Oh my God.
		Guess I'm no different than everyone else.
		I can't get over it.
		And on and on and on and on.
		That's the kind of reaction I'm getting from people.
		So you're about to find out what it is, and we're not going to keep you waiting any longer.
		Robert Ghostwolf, back in a moment.
		Once again, Robert Ghostwolf.
		Robert, all right, describe, please, what you have found.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And do so as though you cannot see the photographs because only a certain number of people have control.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I have a partial solution for that if I can take like 30 seconds and then we don't have to go through it later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Because they can call up and get my books, and if they get the books today with your show, and they mention that they don't have a web, we'll send them copies of the photos.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		So I'll give you two numbers for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold on.
		I want to write them now.
		Go ahead, fire away.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		The one is 800-905-8367.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		800-905-8367.
unidentified		Right.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And the other is here at my office, which is 509-465-1606.
		And I will include with that a tape called Understanding the Emergence, which explains everything that's going on at this time.
		And I'll say that the website will include copies of the photos for them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Very, very, very important.
		All right.
		All right.
		You've got the manuscript, right?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's Winds of Change.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Winds of Change.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Winds of Change, which is volume two, because there was too much to put in the book, Last Cry.
		Last Cry is Volume 1.
		Winds of Change is Volume 2.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that is now available.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're now available at those numbers.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		At those numbers, they can also get them in bookstores if those numbers get crowded.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		But essentially, they'd have to get both volumes to get the full story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		So what happens is I'm in the middle of the Rocky Mountains, and I'm walking into this site.
		And as you walk in, there are several sculptures or formations.
		We can leave that up to mind, your own discernment.
		The nature of the stones here, the rock formations, is very rapidly decomposing granite, most likely due to some of the pollution in the air.
		It's amazing how much pollution floats into the mountains and gets hung up from the cities that are even hundreds of miles away.
		And I suppose it's like what I've seen in Egypt and the decomposition of the Sphinx and the other pyramids there, they're just crumbling.
		So when you're crawling on these rocks, it's kind of difficult Because even your fingers, if you put your fingers on them, you go to grab, and you're literally pulling off a handful of stone, powdered stone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you think that is due to pollution?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I think that, from what I looked at, the extent of the rapidness of the decomposition, yes, which also leads to the fact that it's amazing that this much detail has been left in these formations.
		As we go through, there's several formations that have the names that I use are my own names, so I can clarify that.
		I just name them myself.
		So as we go through, we go down the valley, we pass several formations, including a very large dragon or reptile.
		It's about 70 feet tall.
		It's obviously a Tryanosaurus rex, which catches your eye and go, that can't be anything else.
		We see the picture of what appears to be an old Indian chief with a lizard crawling on top of his head.
		I mean, it's a lizard.
		It's like a horny toad.
		And then you go in and you pass by what I call the guardians.
		And the guardians are the first pictures that we come up to.
		And I have pictures there of one of them.
		And they're what I'm calling griffins.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It says one of two griffins discovered at the site of the graveyard.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		There are two griffins on both sides of the canyon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they are the guardians of the gateway.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Of this siteway.
		They guard the whole thing coming in, and they're pointing towards specific directions, which I'll get into a little later.
		Because one of the things that I was trying to look at was, is this just a phenomenon?
		Is this just like a one-time occurrence?
		Or is there some sort of intelligence that created this place?
		Not asking any questions or coming up with any prejudgments as to what kind of intelligence or where that intelligence came from.
		But something to show me that whatever I was looking at was there deliberately and that there was something behind the positioning of what I found.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With regard to the Griffins, how do you make that judgment?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, when we're looking, we can see a very clear bird head that goes down to wings.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And if we look at the wings, we'll notice that in the left-hand side, do you have the pictures up on your...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But again, I want to try and describe this for those who don't have computers.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		So what you're looking at is a bird figure, a griffon, that's very similar to what you would see as a gargoyle on the French churches in Paris.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How tall are these griffins?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this thing's like 70 feet tall, and it's all the way up on top of a peak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I can see that.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It's like at least 70 feet tall.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		70 feet above average terrain on that peak.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Right, these are gigantic.
		I mean, they're not little three-foot griffins.
		These are like 70-foot carvings.
		And what we can see in the pictures is that what remains of the feathers on the wings are there, the formations of what were the feet or the bird-like feet of this entity.
		And then this humanoid bird head that's staring off in a particular direction at a specific angle.
		And it's obviously a bird.
		It's obviously a griffon.
		You could call it a gargoyle.
		Incidentally, I might add that when we were brought in, we were brought in with armed escort.
		And the reason why we were brought in with armed escort was because there had been a lot of mysterious things going on in the area.
		The disappearance of a lot of bighorn sheep, the disappearance of a lot of deer, and the locals were telling a lot of stories about Chupacabras.
		And the people who guided us to where this was would not go in unless they were armed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is obviously, I mean, without question, this is some kind of sacred site, for sure.
		Now, I see the one Griffin.
		Where is the other one with respect to this one?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		The other one would be about 400 feet away toward the south.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		This would be toward the north.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And so you definitely have two of these griffins looking in the valley.
		And they're looking on either side of the canyon.
		They're both staring down either side of the canyon.
		So the question actually comes up, okay, when they built these things, they were obviously guardians, because from my knowledge of what they were built for.
		And what are they guarding?
		What are they pointing to?
		What are they looking at?
		What are they protecting?
		So you start to come down through the canyon, and there are several others, other formations that I deciphered.
		A lot of them looked like greys.
		And later on, as I get to the petroglyphs, I realized that they weren't greys at all.
		But what they were what the Hopi called the praying mentis people.
		I mean, they were very clearly oval-eyed, triangular-shaped heads that were very clear.
		And I was like, well, this is really interesting.
		And, you know, meanwhile, as you're transversing the mountain, you're like crawling up the side of this granite cliff.
		And there's like a lot of rose quartz and white quartz, which was very important because at a lot of these sites, and at most sites where spiritual work was done, where high ceremonial work was done, which is what we term it today, you'll find certain commonalities.
		One of those commonalities is you'll find quartz.
		The other commonality is you'll find limestone.
		There's always limestone, there's always quartz.
		You go to Giza, there's limestone, there's quartz.
		You go to Manchukuo, there's limestone, there's quartz.
		You go to the Black Hills, there's limestone, there's quartz.
		Limestone plays a very big part in the energies, the frequencies within the Great Pyramid, the holding of the tones, and it plays a very big role with its reaction and interreaction with granite.
		And when they're placed in a specific way, as in an architectural structure, they actually produce antennas, sort of needles, if you will, that can puncture dimensions as well as the atmosphere And send and receive frequency.
		This is a proven fact that is written about in many books.
		One of the friends of mine who goes into that quite extensively is Dan Winter.
		I don't know if you're familiar with him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		He does a lot of incredible work, and it'll be worth you having on the show one day.
		But we get into Dan a little later.
		As we go down...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before we leave the griffin, I still am not...
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		They chase away evil spirits.
		They guard against the evil forces.
		They guard against the dark.
		In a Native American understanding, this would be like the winged beings.
		It would go back, as we go back through various cultures, sometimes they're considered dragons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Not reptilians, but dragons.
		The dragons of old.
		The kinds of things that we see in, what was that, that movie of Dragonheart?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		They're dragons.
		They come from that era.
		They come from that mythology.
		They come from those stories.
		And again, my term for mythology is my story.
		Rather than history, which is his story.
		And they always protect, they always guard.
		They guard places where supernatural things occur, where things happen on another level of consciousness that cannot necessarily be comprehended by the everyday layman, the everyday ordinary human being, unless they were trained at certain levels of understanding.
		And they're always around ancient temples.
		They're always around ancient sites.
		This got carried over into France and the Gothic buildings where you had gargoyles.
		Notre Dame has gargoyles and griffins, which basically are the same all over the architecture.
		And they're used to put away the dark, to move away the dark.
		Thus, we call the Griffin, the one of the two that I have photographed that I'm showing, as the Guardians, which meant to me that obviously there was something big going on in here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		So we're crawling through the rocks, having fun, splitting and sliding, bringing a camera crew with us.
		At one point, we realized it was ridiculous to bring all the equipment up because there was no way we could carry it.
		We bore video cams and everything, but you couldn't get up there with them.
		So next time we'll have to bring people to carry them, I guess.
		As we move down, this is where I found what I felt if I had only come to find this, it would have been worth the whole trip.
		And what I'm looking at as I'm getting in front of the griffin and climbing up the hill and right before me is a Sphinx.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, folks, there's no question about it.
		In fact, here's a fact just in.
		I asked people to do this on purpose to go up there and look before we told them what it was.
		Art, wow, we see the Sphinx.
		This is incredible.
		This is a 13-year-old from Vancouver, B.C. Wow.
		So everybody's seeing it.
		You have found in the Rockies a Sphinx.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Complete with headdress.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the whole thing.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Very clear features, sitting very imposingly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Carved into this mountain.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My air.
		God, Robert, how could there possibly, possibly be...
		It is symmetrical.
		In other words, not an accident.
		No, no, there is no accident here.
		It's a Sphinx.
unidentified		How the hell can that be?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, if everybody can lend with me and use a little bit of my let me submit an interpretation, I don't want to shock people's realities.
		I just would like people to wake up and realize that perhaps there's something else.
		And when there is something else, it doesn't mean it's the end of anything or there's no God or it's all darkness.
		It means that maybe we're a little more than we've been led to believe.
		And in my understanding and in my belief pattern, and this is my belief pattern, based on the countless books that I've had come across to me from seeing things like the face on Mars, from understanding what the elders taught me about our origins and our beginnings, the Sphinxes were built way, way longer than 50,000 years ago.
		They were built by a race of beings that traveled through many galaxies and through many planets.
		And there is a strange correlation between, again, between all sacred sites.
		You have granite, you have limestone, you have quartz.
		All of these elements are used.
		I used to sit there when I was younger and go I remember when I was I saw the movie Charity of the Gods and I wondered why did they build these things like this I mean if they were so technologically advanced why don't they build Natural elements can survive dimensional shifts because everything is connected to consciousness.
		But let's just leave that there simply for now and get back to the Sphinx.
		The Sphinx in Egypt, in my opinion, is well over 28,000 years old.
		Just from the evidence that I saw of erosion, where you can see where the water eroded in a certain way along the bottom, along the base, that was not rain.
		There was no way that was rain.
		That was floods and rivers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I tend to go along with you, but listen, Robert, the Sphinx in Egypt and the Sphinx that you have found are virtually, virtually identical.
		They are, aren't they?
		And whether it's 10,000 or 100,000 years ago.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Isn't it also strikingly similar to the face on Mars?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And there is no way that there could have been any communication between continents from what we know, if what we know is correct, which it obviously is not.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, they didn't have internet like we know it.
		But they did have ways of communication.
		They used consciousness.
		it's like I often go into the discussion about the Mayan and the Toltec cities and all the thousands and thousands of miles of beautifully engineered roads that they had, and yet they had no wheels.
		So why would they go to that extensive method of engineering to create roads for a civilization that had no wheels?
		But they must have had means of travel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't know whether it was a prior civilization, whether it was ETs, I have no idea, but somebody is going to have to come up with some really, really serious answers to explain this.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, grandpa says it was our relatives.
		It was our ancestors.
		And that we are the children of these beings.
		Not only did we build these things at one time, but we also built the pyramids.
		We built all of these things that we no longer remember how to use.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you talk to Zahi-Was, director of antiquities in Egypt, he says, oh, no, the Egyptians built the pyramids art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what he will tell me.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Then ask Boris Sahin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know now we're beginning...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Ask Richard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
		We will ask Richard.
		We're going to bring him on because when I called Richard and had him look at this earlier in the day, he flipped.
		And I can see why.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		We are very ancient beings.
		And whatever was here, if we are parents, if we are inhabitants of this earth, then our ancestors built this thing.
		And they built others.
		Remember, this isn't the only one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you, of course we have the photograph.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you give us any sense of the size of the Sphinx?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		This Sphinx is sitting at least 100 feet high.
		There's a lot of rubble around the bottom, a lot of rubble, because most of the granite, again, is decomposing.
		There are carvings on the bottom of the Sphinx, carvings around where the shoulder of the leg would go into where the pore was, which is no longer in existence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, when you say carvings.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		These are carvings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean as in petroglyphs?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		No, as in carvings, not petroglyphs.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		There are carvings down the bottom of faces and so for the sake of argument, I'm going to call one the old man and I'm going to call the other one the boy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, people who would say, oh, this is just a one-in-a-gazillion formation of rock that happens to be identical to the Sphinx with the carvings, no way.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		There is no way.
		Plus, I went a step farther than that.
		As I disclosed where all the sites were, we brought a GPS with us.
		That wonderful thing that you advertise in your program.
		A global positioning satellite where you connect to five, six satellites, seven satellites.
		It'll tell you how many satellites you connect to.
		No matter where you're walking, you can tell what your location is, what the longitude, what the latitude was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Hold it right there.
		It's a good place to hang everybody up.
		I'm telling you, you've got to see this.
		Robert Ghostwolf has found a Sphinx in the Rocky Mountains.
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		Robert Ghostwolf is here.
		He has made an archaeological find in the Rocky Mountains, our Rocky Mountains, that is going to shake a lot of people right to their foundations.
		We've got the photographs.
		We've got the proof.
		We'll tell you more about it.
		Catch you up in a moment.
		Here's one that just came in.
		Deerard, Stitchin, Turnage, Oaglund, Ghost Wolf.
		The pictures, the information are absolutely awesome.
		I'm almost hyperventilating with this proof of our origin.
		It's been here all the time.
		It must be getting very close to the end and the new beginning, according to the star maps.
		Could you ask Robert if the polar shift is coming within the next 10 years?
		What Robert has found is nothing short of astonishing.
		It is a gigantic archaeological find.
		We have proof.
		He has found at the 14,000-foot level in a remote portion of the Rocky Mountains, a Sphinx.
		The Sphinx.
		As far as I can see, from what I can judge, in every sense, the Sphinx.
		I've been to the Sphinx in Egypt.
		When you see that, and when you see this, if you don't sit down because you have to sit down, then you just aren't thinking.
		I'm telling you what this man has found is incredible.
		And we're going to kind of recap the story for you.
		Move on.
		Get comments from Richard C. Hoagland, of course, who was also blown away earlier today when I was able to show these photographs to Richard before we put them up.
		If you would like to see them, go to my website at www.artbell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, dot com.
		That's all lowercase.
		Scroll down to the guest area and click on the name Robert Ghostwolf on the links there.
		And what you will see is going to blow you away.
		And we have not even finished describing what is there.
		Back to Robert in a moment.
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		It was about five weeks ago that Robert Ghostwolf contacted me and said, Art, I'm going into the Rockies.
		There's something I'm looking for.
		I may and may not make it back.
		He made it back.
		He went there with a group of elders to locate what you are now able to see on my website or his website.
		We'll give you the addresses again.
		We can also get you photographs, by the way, and we'll tell you all about that in case you don't have a computer.
		Anyway, he made it back, and what he has found, well, people are using words in the facts as I'm getting like amazing, incredibly significant, wow.
		It obviously is a Sphinx.
		There's no absolutely no question about it.
		People are going absolutely wild, as they should be.
		Somebody said he asked his wife to download the images, had to wake her up out of bed to get the images, and his wife, not a believer in this kind of thing, downloaded the images that we're offering you tonight and said, oh my God, if what I'm seeing is not fake, then I've got an awful lot of thinking to do.
		Robert, welcome back.
		Let's roll this over one more time.
		You're at the 14,000-foot level, and you made about 2,000 feet a day to get up to this.
		Found first these griffins, these bird-like creatures, rock formations, about 75 feet in height, each one, guarding, in effect, what you then found, which you call the Archangel Gabriel, the gatekeeper to the spirit world.
		And I've been at the Sphinx, Robert.
		I've been there.
		I've touched it.
		I've put my hands on it.
		I've been around it.
		In fact, this Sphinx that you have found.
		Oh, hell yes.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		So we're dealing again with a global unity here.
		Nothing is no longer secular and privileged only to a specific area.
		And I'm telling you, there are more of these.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Global unity, 10,000, 20,000, 30,000 years ago, 50,000?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not with us.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Not with what we've become.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this is just, it's going to rewrite.
		All right, so people know you are not disclosing where this is specifically, and I don't blame you.
		It would happen to say it would be raped.
		There's no question about it.
		What about those people?
		I mean, almost nobody is saying, gee, what a fake, or anything like that.
		But there are a few people who have already inevitably written and said, oh, this is a trumped-up baloney.
		This is all done with computers and so forth and so on.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, if you look at the photographs, and I think I better make a statement here because I just got one of these emergency photos that the photo, if people don't have web with the purchase of the books, because people are calling up thinking they were just giving away free photographs.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And that would be an impossible demand to meet anyway.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look, most people, let's roll through it.
		Yeah, let's do that.
		Most people, first of all, if you can get to a computer, you can see the photographs.
		They're free up on my website, on the Wolf Lodge website.
		They're free.
		You can go to a library and see them that way.
		Or if you wish, if you buy, what is it they are required to buy?
		Is it the new manuscript?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Last Cry, which is volume one, and Winds of Change.
		And then we will include the tape and the photographs with them, the copies of the photographs.
		If they want to, they can actually purchase photographs if they're not happy with the copies.
		But I just can't give free photographs.
		I know, I've got like a thousand calls coming in on the line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know it.
		Listen, let me tell you, Robert, one time I made the trip, somebody called up and said, hey, Art, would you send me a photograph of yourself?
		And I was very innocent at that point.
		I said, oh, yeah, sure.
		Send me a self-addressed stamped envelope and I'll send you a photograph.
		Well, I was looking at envelopes months later.
		I sent out.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		You can't get to taste off your tongue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
		That's exactly right.
		So, yeah, you've got to be very careful about this.
		Now, so, look, you're offering the photographs free on the web.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		If they can't do that, if they really want hard copies of the photographs, you will sell them copies of the photographs or they call 509-465-1606, 509-465-1606, which is my office.
		And if they call that number, the books are even autographed.
		Really?
		So it's a pretty good little package.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Back to the Sphinx.
		If we look at the photographs, and you can see the trees, you can see stones, you can determine distances and heights, because I'm certain that as people start to look at this, I'm going to get all sorts of cynical engineers and mathematicians looking at it.
		And that's why, if they want it, they can get the photographs from me.
		And they can see that this is exactly what's on the photograph.
		Where on the site I did enhance certain photographs for the purpose of viewing, that was only done with the petroglyphs, which we'll get to later.
		But you can see here the height of a tree, which is obviously full-grown pine trees.
		And as you're looking at them, you can sort of Determine, well, that's a tree.
		It must be like 15, 20 feet tall.
		So obviously, it's about the size of the Sphinx's eye and jaw.
		You can determine what the height is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you would have to.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		There's no way that I could have made a clay sculpture in my backyard this high.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know that.
		I know it, Robert.
		These are genuine.
		I don't question it for a second.
		Give us what you think the dimensions of the Sphinx itself to be.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you have to understand that I'm standing on the side of a mountain.
		Or if I'm up next to the Sphinx, it's so tall it's way above my head.
		And so what I'm dealing with is in my approximation, I'm going to say it's at least 100 feet high.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		100 feet high?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It is probably a good 60 feet wide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's got to be...
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		That's what I could determine.
		It's built into the mountain.
		It's coming out of the mountain.
		There's no rump on the back, but it's the front.
		It's like if I go to the Sphinx that I talked about a while back on your show in St. Louis, what I'm looking at is a Sphinx carved along a mile and a half ravine.
		But the face is there, the eye is there.
		You can only determine it from an aerial photograph.
		But it's there.
		And it's not the whole Sphinx, but it's the head and the chest.
		What we're dealing with here is the head, the chest, and what's left of what was the feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And I mean, this is a shocker.
		You look at it, I think anybody who looks at this says Sphinx, symmetrical.
		All the features are there, the face, the side, where it comes down, just as the Egyptian Sphinx does.
		The whole thing, it's there.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		What is amazing to me, too, is that they were identical.
		Everybody who looked at it was like, oh, I know you.
		It was not like it was a different kind of a Sphinx.
		And that's the amazing thing when we look at this, when we look at what's in Sidonia, in Mars, when we look at the Sphinx, when we look at the Sphinx Achieve, they are identical.
		They are these lion-featured beings with these faces and these headdresses that come down along the side, very Egyptian-looking, maybe Atlantean-looking.
		No question.
		And what, to my knowledge, this represented a race of beings that were called Hathors.
		And they were cat-like beings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before we get into that, when we left off, you were saying you had a GPS with you.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so is this just a phenomenon?
		Is this a fluke?
		Is this just some strange phenomena?
		Well, I'll say this much.
		There's over 70 different figures that I saw there, that I photographed, that I have evidence of.
		There were at least, and this is interesting, there were at least 21 dragons everywhere.
		Sleeping dragons, moving dragons, standing dragons.
		There was pyramid-shaped rocks.
		There is, at the end of this canyon, which is the next photograph we'll get into, is the angel, which is another remarkable thing and undeniable for what it is.
		But when we positioned the main figures, what we came up, in my estimation at this point, was constellations.
		We came up with points that literally showed constellations in the sky.
		We have not completed the research on this totally.
		It's going to take me a couple of weeks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm certain.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Because I want to make sure that we're totally accurate with this.
		But what it appears to be right now is that we have, between the Sphinx, the old one looking in who's not here, what we have with the Griffin, what we have with the Angel, and what we have with some of the other ones, is we definitely have the top half and right down the leg of Orion.
		Now, this is too coincidental to me because if I go to Stonehenge, I have Orion.
		If I go to Giza, I have Orion.
		If I go to the Black Hills in South Dakota, I have Orion.
		If I go to Manchu Picchu, I have Orion.
		If I go to Chitsunica, I have Orion.
		This cannot be a coincidence.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, what you have here in these photographs is no coincidence, but what it is going to mean to everything we thought we knew.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		We're going to have to really look at the pages and maybe drop conclusions and open up a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are a lot of people who are going to be angry and challenged by this, Robert.
		A lot of them.
		Well, we could.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that what science and discovery is about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's about the truth.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		People were angry when we flew a plane.
		People were angry when Henry Ford made the first assembly line car.
		People were angry at the first steam engine.
		And people were definitely angry when we flew to the moon.
		But then there was a lot of people that were helped.
		And the world, in some senses, got better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the side of this Sphinx, or below the Sphinx, you said there were carvings.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there were carvings.
		The nature of them at this point, I'm just going to say there's a man's head, there's a boy's head.
		The man's head and the boy's head appear throughout the valley in a few locations, and they're specifically there for direction.
		The man, or the old one, apparently points toward the heavens or points toward potential danger.
		Sometimes from the other side of the head, he'll be looking straight across at what is a dragon formation, sometimes another kind of formation, and wherever the boy seemed to be pointing was leading you to the next place to go, the next site, the next location.
		The Sphinx itself is facing south, and the carvings that I looked at on the bottom indicated to me that there was a southern gateway, a southern connection, there was something specifically to the south, because I was starting to realize now that there was nothing here that was accidental.
		And eventually, that wound up leading me to Arizona, where I found with the Hopi, who understood exactly what I was showing them, which also threw me for a loop.
		It was like they knew all about it.
		And then they took me to a place, which is where I took the pictures later of the petroglyphs.
		And the Sphinx is sitting in front of a formation that I call the castle.
		And there are openings in the rocks that allow light to come through that it's kind of eerie.
		It's like I haven't had time to be there at different times of the year.
		But it wouldn't surprise me if at certain times, like equinoxes or solstice, the light shone through these openings to a certain point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't believe for a second any of this is accidental, and nobody who goes up and looks can end.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It's just a formation.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		At the end of it, if we go to the next photograph.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		May I ask you to finish up on something again, the GPS?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		When I looked at the patterns, you know, the GPS has a little viewfinder screen on the front.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And so as I was going through all these things, we were just recording locations.
		And there were points where, just like a compass in certain areas or around certain sacred sites, it won't make any sense.
		It'll spin backwards.
		It'll be like anti-magnets.
		The polarities will be reversed.
		There were places where we had trouble reading the GPS.
		But where these main formations were, and there are others, where these main formations were, when we came back later on that evening and we're sitting here looking at these things, I'm staring at the GPS and we're drawing the locations on a piece of paper.
		And I am sitting there having a cigarette because, excuse me, folks, I do smoke.
		And I was sitting there having a cigarette and a cup of coffee and looking straight up at the sky and I'm looking at Orion and I'm looking down at the GPS and I'm looking up at Orion.
		I'm looking down at the GPS and I said, my God, there it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold it right there.
		Robert Ghostwolf is my guest with comments in a moment.
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		I'm Art Bell.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am, a major archaeological find in the Rocky Mountains.
		It is the Sphinx.
		It is the Sphinx.
		Now, how would a Sphinx get into the middle of the Rocky Mountains?
		Well, that certainly is a good subject for discussion, isn't it?
		We'll get back to Robert Gostwolf in a moment, and waiting on the line is Richard C. Oakland, who also got to see these photographs earlier in the day.
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		All right, back now to my guest, Robert Ghostwolf.
		Robert, are you there?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I would like to bring on Richard C. Hoagland, who got an opportunity to see these earlier today.
		And when his computer came up and the photographs became apparent, he went, oh, my God.
		And here he is.
		Richard?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, gentlemen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Richard.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God, that's on the screen here.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		First of all, Robert, good morning.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, Richard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can barely hear you.
		I can barely.
		Robert.
unidentified		Can you hear me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's better.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Now I can.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I'll just speak louder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's better.
		Thank you.
		Just you've got to speak right into the phone.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		These are amazing.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I think they are.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		They are truly amazing.
		You know, when you were talking before and describing this, I couldn't help but remember an experience I had many years ago when a gentleman named Bill Cody called me.
		Art, do you know Bill Cody?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do not.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Bill Cody was the producer of the first of our two videos.
		He is a cameraman par excellence.
		He's worked very closely with Boris and John West.
		In fact, he was the director of the Mystery of the Sphinx, the special NBC that won the Emmys, that presented John's work first to a national audience.
		Bill came to me many years ago when I was in Virginia, and he wanted to have permission to use some of the Sidonia material as part of an archaeological dig and expedition that he was doing at that time into something completely different here on Earth down in South America.
		In fact, in Peru.
		Robert, have you ever heard of a place called Markawasi?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Ah, do you know much about it?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Hopefully, it's supposed to be there in the fall.
unidentified		Aha.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, you will have many ahas because there is a plateau in Peru located, again, kind of like the 14,000-foot level, where there is a set of figures carved in the rock.
		This was the claim.
		And Robert had sent me, or I'm sorry, Bill had sent me some photos so I could look at what was there, including some video.
		That was astonishingly anthropomorphic.
		There were figures of, you know, as you have described and demonstrated on your website, Robert, Griffins and other things, including things that look like synxes.
		And what Bill wanted me to do...
		Exactly.
		And what he wanted me to do was to kind of give him the imprimatur of the Sidoni investigation and permission to use this as part of a video he was putting together to basically try to get some people to fund a true archaeological expedition.
		What he didn't know is that we had a grid.
		And so when I looked at the photographs, the first thing I asked him was, is there a Sphinx?
		And there was a kind of a tremorous nature to his voice, and he said, yeah.
		And I said, is it on the northern part of the plateau?
		And does it sit at such and such on the coordinates?
		And he says, oh, my God, it does.
		In other words, by using the grid, I was able to test the veracity.
		Because lots of people claim things, Robert, as you know.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		But there are a few things that are real, but when they really are real and they are the kind of paradigm shifts that this represents, you know, you basically know that you're onto it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, these photographs have, they're either one of two things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're either fakes or it's absolutely a Sphinx.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've watched the photos, and they're certainly not fakes, all right?
		But Robert, let me ask you this question.
		Without revealing where this is, do you have any idea of how old this stuff might be?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's like really hard to determine without doing actual laboratory tests.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, ballpark is.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, my ballpark figure is that they're way beyond 20,000 years old.
		Okay.
		The condition of the rocks, the decomposition of the granite, that doesn't happen overnight.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		See, what I'm looking at on the website, and by the way, your website is very slow, meaning there's lots of traffic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I know.
		I even turned off the studio cam to conserve bandwidth so people can get up there.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		We even turned off the lights.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		It looks eerily like Markawasse, Robert, in art.
		And Markawasse, to my eye, looks about 200,000 years old.
		That's our drop-dead date for Sidonia.
		That's the date we are projecting of a migration of someone from Mars to here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as we know, with the announcement of NASA, they're about to do the image.
		They buckled the public pressure, and they're about to do the imaging, they say, of Sidonia.
		But you know, Richard, that's on Mars, and it's extremely interesting.
		And we have people like Dr. Van Flandren who are saying, prepare yourselves.
		This is not a natural object.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		I talked with Tom this afternoon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		I talked with David Webb, who, by the way, is getting better.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		He sounded much stronger, and he has a book that he actually is getting ready to maybe do an interview with you, Art if you would like to talk to Dr. Webb.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would love to.
		You and I have a program, a whole show to do next week, and so we won't do that now.
		But I did want to at least get your reaction, Richard, to these amazing, amazing photographs.
		And any questions you have about them, fire away now.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, Robert, first of all, it's nice to finally meet you, even if electronically.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I've been following each other.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And there are a lot of overlaps between the Enterprise mission and the Sidonia investigation and its various permutations, as I'm sure Art can tell you, and the things that I'm looking at on the screen here.
		One of the projected models we have been working on for Sidonia, for what we see on Mars, is that somehow the human species is connected.
		And Tom was on our show a few weeks ago, maybe a couple weeks ago, and discussing a very extraordinarily intriguing model that Mars is a satellite of a larger planet that blew up and there was some kind of migration and we're the result.
		This evidence that you're presenting, these remarkable effigies, because of how old they look, they just have that feel of being on the order of hundreds of thousands of years old.
		They look very much like the Markawasi ruins, and they look very much like the Sphinx looks if you don't keep patching it.
		Now, it was interesting that you made the comment that this Sphinx that you're seeing is only the front part.
		And the paws appear to be severely damaged, from what I can see?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they are.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		The face looks very...
		It really looks achingly ancient and very eroded.
		And it has a serene look to it.
		And one of the things that Kinthia, our artist in the project, has been doing is sculpting the face over and over again on Mars.
		You know, she has been the one who has really kind of given me this perception when looking at these things that it's very difficult art for an artist to fake it.
		In other words, when you come across something that has the power and majesty of true art, that has the soul and the creation put into it by the eye and the heart and the mind of man, even when you degrade it, it still retains that essence of higher level creativity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are always those who will suggest because they wish to reject that it's a fake.
		There are always those, and I'm getting some of that.
		It's got to be a fake, they say.
		And it's because to accept it, to accept that these are real photographs.
		That's what I'm saying.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they should look at the fact that what you're looking at when you look at that on the web is that you're looking at two completely different photographs taken from two different angles.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I kept trying to get some sort of comparison between the trees and the height of the trees and what we were looking at.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Now you couldn't get any of your people up there, right?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		So you could do a kind of a comparison?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't what?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		You couldn't get any of your people up there.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		You went with a party of elders?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, we were up there.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		We were on the head of the Sphinx.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, but I mean, the normal camera gear up there.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		In the frame for a reference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What they couldn't get was all the camera gear up there, Richard.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They climbed, what'd you say, about 2,000 feet?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		About 2,000 feet, and there was a lot of snow.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It snowed the day after I took this picture.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every day they made about 2,000 feet.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		The back side of it, the north side, because it is on the north side of the hill, the back side of it you couldn't, I mean, it was basically coming down was like cross-country skiing.
		Right.
		You sort of made it on your rump down most of the hill.
		And going up again, the quality of the rocks is very sheer.
		These cliffs are very sheer.
		And the rubble makes it rather precarious to get foot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		No, this looks on the order of a couple of hundred thousand years old.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, that works with the prophecies.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Now, there are ways, of course, to check this.
		And one of the things I would ask you is to take your GPS measurements and actually look at Carl Munk's data.
		You're familiar with Carl Monk Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Vaguely.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		He's the B-52 engineer living in New York State, who we met many years ago, who has found, Robert, a series of grid measurements relating to the ultimate 360 circle, you know, degrees, minutes, and seconds.
		All over the world, he is able to integrate both old and new world sacred sites, including a lot of the mound culture material in the eastern United States and a lot of the material in the Central American region, such as Takao and Palenque and Teotihuacan and all that.
		If you were to take your GPS measurements and overlay them on his grid, my bet is if this is real, it'll pop out to be exactly on the grid.
		And it will relate to other sites.
		It will predict the location of other sites yet unknown.
		And if you don't have a copy of his book, I can get you a copy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm breathless.
		I almost don't know what to say.
		I mean, these pictures stand on their own.
		I've been this way all day long.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I called me this morning, Robert.
		He was very chastened.
		It was like, I've got to show you this secret stuff, and don't you tell anybody.
		But, oh, my God.
		And I logged on the web live when he was on the phone, and sure enough, his awe was vindicated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Richard, you and I are going to do a show Tuesday night, Wednesday morning.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we will go into this and many, many other things at that time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really appreciate your coming on, though, this morning, just to give us your reaction.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I am heartened that we're making progress.
		The Sidonia announcement yesterday is good news.
		They follow up.
		This is astonishingly correlative, Robert.
		You and I obviously need to talk off the air.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		That would be very good.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		And to compare some notes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, just in case you don't have either a phone.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I think you have a lot of information that would back up everything that you're finding just from another point of view.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just in case you two don't have each other's phone numbers, I will see to it you get them.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		How about before I go, let me ask one question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Did you find any underground entrances?
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Did you find a sacred cave?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I found an entrance that was blocked.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Can you get through it?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		You can't get through it.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		These stones were placed in there.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		There's vertical and horizontal stones that indicate that it didn't happen by accident.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		You two need to talk.
		Yes, we do.
		Talk to you Monday night, Tuesday.
		Make that Tuesday night, Wednesday morning, Richard.
richard c hoagland ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		That's right.
		Thank you, Richard.
		See you, Hoagland.
		All right.
		Now, the Butterfly glyphs.
		There are...
		All right, the angel.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's quite remarkable in itself.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I'm calling it Gabriel.
unidentified		Why?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, Gabriel was the gatekeeper, wasn't he?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		According to our stories?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		In Judeo-Christian belief.
		And when Adam and Eve were cast out of heaven, he stood there with his sword of fire and blocked the gateway so that they couldn't return.
		Likewise, Gabriel would be the gatekeeper to this place, meaning that you would have to get to a certain frequency.
		And using today's languages, you'd have to get to a certain resonance in order to be able to enter the spirit world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		In order to be able to see the portals, which might appear to us as stone, but if you get to a certain frequency, you see the opening.
		So here is, looking up at this cliff, right alongside as you go down along the Castle at the far end of the canyon is this figure that I'm looking at, and I'm going, my God, look at that one.
		And as we look at the photographs, it looks like what I'm going to call an angel that was carved by Raphael.
		I mean, the features are there, the page boy haircut, the wings are there.
		Seems to be holding some sort of a book or some sort of an object, which is that indicating that he's reading the Akashic records?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		He's looking back at the other sculptures or figures or formations.
		And he's looking back that way.
		And the strange contrast is that what he's looking back is the ancient past.
		It's almost like when you walk through this canyon, you are looking at a library of times, events, and things that happened on Earth in different time realities.
		And which gives one the impression of, am I looking at a library or am I looking at a game board?
		Is there some sort of game board for the gods?
		Because everything back toward the Griffins is very old, very ancient.
		And then all of a sudden we have this angel.
		Now, is it an angel?
		Is it a winged being?
		Is it what we want to call it?
		To me, a winged being is an angel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's very clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Whatever it is, it does look like an angel.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And it looks like something you'd see in front of the Christmas tree, doesn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it does.
		Exactly so.
		Yes, sir.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It does.
		This is way up at the top.
		Could not get to it.
		Could not get to it.
		The snow was too bad.
		The ice was too bad.
		But it is as tall as the Sphinx, from what I could tell.
		And if we look at the smaller photograph, you'll notice that there were some carvings down at the lower right-hand corner.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see that, yes.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And there's almost like what was some sort of an ancient pathway that went up to it.
		What was up on top, I don't know.
		Could not get to it at the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's hard to make out what those carvings are.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		They look almost like the turrets of a castle.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they really do, don't they?
		Remarkable.
		Listen, let me give you one chief big criticism and let you answer it.
		People are saying, look, there's no trees above 12,000 feet.
		Why are there trees?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Is it necessarily true?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It's not necessarily true.
		I can take you to places, plenty of places.
		You can go to Paos, New Mexico, to the ski runs.
		You can go up there.
		There's trees 13,000, 14,000 feet high.
		You can go up to Manchu Picchu, there's trees there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People have the general impression that there is.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		In general, in a lot of instances, that probably holds true.
		But there's also a lot of exceptions to that situation.
		When you go up to places in the Himalayans, they're of that height, and there's vegetation and trees there.
		So we're dealing in a lot of places in the mountains where you have microclimates.
		This particular place was a lot warmer than the area around it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		That could be a phenomenon, or it could just be the condition of the mountains and the way the wind blows.
		There's a lot of things that then we have to bring scientists into.
		At this point, I was going to this place strictly in the capacity of an archaeologist looking out of curiosity.
		And we're dealing with, when we get up to the top of the angel, there's no trees on top.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		So, but then you go to another place and there's trees.
		And then in the middle of all these cedar trees and pine trees, which I find one solitary ponderosa pine.
		I mean, I don't know how it got there.
		There's nothing around there like it.
		But there's just one single ponderosa pine.
		So all I can say to that is I'm simply showing what I recorded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I don't for one second think these are fake photographs, period.
		I'm convinced.
		I'm past the.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll sit down with you and Richard and some scientists and have them go over to negatives.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		If it ever came to that, because I have the negatives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Yeah, look, again, I'll say it.
		I have no doubt.
		These are real photographs.
		And the reason you're going to get challenged on this is because of what it means if they are real.
		And what it means if they are real is that all our notions of where we came from and what we are are simply wrong.
		They're wrong.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		They're wrong.
		They're incomplete.
		And maybe part of what the work that I'm doing, that Richard's doing, that Zachariah's doing, we're trying to show that there's something more to the picture.
		And when we can look at the wholeness of what we are, then maybe we'll understand why things are the way they are.
		And then maybe we can change things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold it right there.
		Take a good rest.
		This is a man who's been up and who has been climbing in the wilderness now for a very long time, just back and presenting you with the evidence of what he has found.
		And it really is something past the word.
		The photographs are on my website at www.artel.com.
		Scroll down to Robert Ghostwolf, the name.
		You'll see the link.
		Click on it.
		Take a look.
		Let us know.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
		Pass the word.
		There has been a major archaeological find in the Rocky Mountains of America.
		Robert Ghostwolf has found a sphinx and a lot more.
		So pass the word.
		We're going to leave the photographs up on our website.
		And if you have not yet seen them, go beg, borrow, don't steal a computer.
		Go to a library on the weekend.
		Do whatever you have to do and see these photographs.
		They're at www.artbell.com.
		All you do is scroll down to Robert Ghostwolf's name, click on the link, and it will take you right to the photographs.
		We, because of bandwidth problems, because obviously so many thousands and thousands of you are going up there right now, where you have turned off the studio cam to conserve bandwidth.
		So please don't go there and try to look at the studio cam because it's off.
		We also, of course, you can go to Robert Ghostwolf's site, and we'll tell you about that in a moment.
		But the reactions are pretty uniform.
		For example, hey, Art, Jason from Wisconsin, holy, and you know what he said, holy something.
		I'm working graveyard right now at a rock station in Madison and was listening to you on satellite.
		Wow.
		I am a Christian still and always will be, no matter what's discovered.
		But, wow, it really causes oneself to begin to think.
		It has to.
		I mean, you can't look at this and not begin to think, where did I come from?
		Did I really come from what I think I did?
		Did mankind come from the origins that we all imagined we came from?
		These photographs are, in my opinion, conclusive.
		Carbon dating, I'm sure, to follow.
		I don't know how much is going to be allowed in terms of access right now.
		Robert Ghostwolf is not telling you where this is.
		For obvious, obvious reasons, it would quickly be ruined.
		And I'm not really sure exactly how he's going to proceed with an investigation under these conditions.
		We'll ask in a moment, and we will go to the phones.
		You've got nothing to lose but the pain.
		This has got to be one of the most important archaeological discoveries in North America in my memory.
		I could read you faxes forever.
		Hey, Art, great Joe.
		Definitely a Sphinx.
		Talk about paradigm busting.
		People who'd get upset over having their beliefs challenged are forgetting that an infinite God is not going to have a hard time surprising limited human minds.
		If God is a God of truth, then truth is never something to attack.
		Boy, do I agree.
		God is God whether the earth is 7,000 years old or umpteen gazillion years old.
		After all, the Bible says that to God, a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like a day.
		Could it be that our Creator is not shackled to the notion of time?
		That we are the ones shackled to that notion?
		Once again, Robert Ghostwolf, and we will begin to take calls shortly.
		Robert, again, for those who may have joined late, you are not disclosing the location of these incredible artifacts.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		No, we won't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to get close to the phone now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It's impossible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		They wouldn't last a month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		All right, so then one question, my question, and I'm sure many questions would come of a similar nature, and that is, how do you then continue to investigate, authenticate, and date this find?
		We have to go back.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And we have to collect war samples and everything else that goes along with that, authenticating the age.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		We also have to go back and continue to find the other formations that are not yet disclosed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have people begging, begging you for the location.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, if it stood secret this long, it can stand secret a little longer.
		I've seen the desecration of sacred sites before.
		I think like I was speaking to you this afternoon.
		Two years ago in my book Last Cry, I talk about an opening that the Hopi took me to.
		And they were rather free, even though they didn't put it in public knowledge and put it on a radio show like this or in a national magazine.
		But they would take people to this place to show them that what they were saying was not just something out of their heads, not just something created, that these places existed.
		And the records were there of the first, second, third, fourth, and fifth world, how we got here, what happens to man.
		And I was just back there a couple of weeks ago, and almost half the petroglyphs had been chipped off by rock hunters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I see a lot of sites like this.
		You can't let these places be disclosed only for the fact that we have to understand, again, when you find something like this, you're going beyond cultural borders.
		You're going beyond religious borders.
		You're going to a point of spirituality and awakening that is everybody's heritage, everybody here.
		And to have these records gone, again, we're going to have people who are going to go pro and continent.
		Well, maybe it's good that these things are going Because now we have to figure something new out.
		But, you know, it's kind of hard to figure something new out when you don't know where you came from.
		And if the more and more that we can do to establish that we might have come from someplace else, that we are not necessarily all that we've been told that we are, that we might be more, how can we move forward?
		I mean, wasn't there a time when we thought the world was flat?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And then there was someone who said no.
		And what did they do to Copernicus about that?
		What did they do to Columbus?
		What did they do to the Inca and the Mayan when they told them about traveling to the stars and about using flying machines?
		And when they talked to them about the technologies that they had.
		And they became so frightened that they literally leveled these cities to the ground.
		They leveled the temples to the ground.
		We're in this cycle of self-destruction and self-doubt that's got to stop.
		And the only way that I can figure out how to do it, the only way that the elders who talked to me and taught me can figure out how to do it, is why don't we do something different this time?
		And instead of attacking people's falsities, their untruths, why don't we just bring out the truth?
		And if you bring out the truth to people, sort of like in the letter that you just read, if you bring out the truth, how can you deny your own truth?
		You'd be denying yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let me read.
		I agree with you completely.
		This just can't be denied.
		Art, please ask Robert if he thinks it possible that those civilizations, the ones that built what we're seeing, may have destroyed themselves from too much technology.
		Speculation, I suppose.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, a personal speculation.
		I think that some of them did.
		I think that from what I've been taught, from what I know, some of them simply moved on to another level of reality expression.
		They moved to another dimension.
		I don't believe that there was any destruction when they found Manchu Picchu.
		And as a matter of fact, when they first got there, I believe there was even still the remains of mummified food and whatnot in the plates and bowls and the houses.
		No sign of pestilence, no sign of disease, no sign of war, and yet everybody vanished.
		What happened to all the people at Eastern Island?
		Where did they go?
		We're entering a time now where we have to open up our minds to the fact that perhaps what some of the metaphysicians have been telling us is not fiction.
		Perhaps the powers of the human mind go way beyond what we presently allow ourselves to perceive.
		And allowing that to happen, that's how we come up with great discoveries.
		That's how we come up with new genius and new ideas.
		That's how we create new da Vinci's.
		That's how we come up with a new renaissance.
		And we are definitely in a new renaissance.
		I don't look at this time as an ending.
		There are a lot of things that are going awry, but there's also a lot of miraculous things happening.
		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art, maybe the Hall of Records is below the paw of this Sphinx.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I can't speculate on that yet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I can tell you what I saw with remote vision, but is it remote vision or was it just an Indian having a vision?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Winds of change.
		We sure are having winds of change right now.
		NASA just released the fact the Earth has actually slowed in its rotation due to the ferocity of El Nino.
		We have social change continuing.
		Everybody's heard by now about the kids in Arkansas.
		It seems like things are speeding right along to me, Robert.
		And maybe this discovery is coming at an appropriate time to cause people to somehow reset the direction they're headed in.
		I don't know.
		I don't know.
		I'm just the talk show host.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, if you go down to the petroglyphs, now here's an interesting phenomenon because somehow Colorado led me to Arizona.
		Arizona led me to a meeting with the Hopi.
		The Hopi sat down.
		We did ceremony for many, many days, as you're aware of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm aware, because I tried desperately to get you, and they kept telling me, sorry, he's in ceremony.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I was finally in a place without a cell phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And we went to this place that they showed me that was right next to what they called an Aztec throne where you went and there was this throne and there were these small group of buildings, but there was this throne chair that you could sit down and you could look directly to the south.
		That wasn't that strange.
		A comparison to the way the Sphinx looks to the south.
		And then they took me to the place where they said the other opening was.
		And I said, what do you mean the other opening?
		And they said to me, well, this is the opening that's connected to where you came from.
		And when I went to the opening and looked at the petroglyphs at what they call the portal, what they call the sepapu, the opening, sepapu, there before me, if you go down to the picture that says a kangaroo in a didgeridoo, and if you look at those photographs, there's a kangaroo in a didgeridoo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's Australia.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		What is it doing in the middle of Arizona?
		So I said to the elders, I said, well, what does this mean?
		They said, well, you can go through this opening, but you have to go to another dimension.
		But you can go through that opening, and you can come up in Australia.
		You can come up in Bolivia, or you can go back to where you were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, oh, my.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And I said, okay.
		I said, so are you saying that this is where the Sphinx was pointing to?
		and they just said yes but there's an incredible We're starting to find out that everything that we thought in ancient mysteries is true.
		We're starting to find out and get the proof, as I wrote about in Last Cry, as I wrote about in Winds of Change, that these ancient cities, our connections, and our heritage would all be revealed In this time.
		Now, that's not me, myself.
		The Mayans told us that, the Inca told us that, the Lakota tell us that, the Hopi tell us that.
		We can go to Australia, and the stories are there on their rocks.
		And when we look at these photographs, they're very, very similar to that.
		And then the other thing is when we look at some of these photographs, which we could spend all night going through them of the petroglyphs, there's Celtic writing.
		Undeniable Celtic writing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, there's going to be a very careful examination of these petroglyphs by many, many people.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		That's why I put them up.
		I would like people to contact us and let them know what they find.
		I can't know everything.
		And I only have so much time to research something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And so if we can simply put something in front of people and go, here it is.
		What do you see?
		What do you know?
		Then we can use our collective minds and our collective knowledge to start revealing things that are probably very necessary for us to know at this time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I'm going to get a lot of feedback from my audience on all of this, and you're going to get a lot of feedback from my audience on all of this.
		Let's do it again.
		For those who have computers, you're in luck.
		The photographs are free to be seen.
		Free to be seen.
		Go to my website, go to wolflodge.org and try to get into either one and take a look.
		For those who must have photographs, Robert is willing to supply them.
		You can buy the photographs.
		How much are you charging for the photographs themselves?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I honestly don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So whatever it costs.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Whatever they figured out, that was something that I sort of just sprung on them this afternoon.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of people who aren't going to have these, and they're going to want them, and there's a lot of people who are going to want the photographs to examine them to make sure that we didn't do some studio wonderment with computer enhancements.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know damn well you didn't.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		So I said, well, go ahead, here it is, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so otherwise, if they buy The Winds of Change, if they buy your earlier manuscript, Last Cry.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Last Cry, Volume 1, Winds of Change is 2.
		If they get Volume 1, Volume 2, if they purchase these at this time and from this show, in other words, I'm going to do this from now until, say, Tuesday.
		Yep.
		If they can verify that they heard it on the show, you know, just say we heard it on our bell.
		And if they get the books, then we will give them the tape that explains the story of where we're going and why this is all coming about.
		Plus, we'll do copies of the photographs.
		If they want actual photographs, those can be purchased as well, but they have to be purchased to at least cover the cost.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They couldn't possibly fulfill these orders.
		You can't give them away, of course not.
		I mean, you are giving them away on the internet.
		But for hard copies, he's willing to supply them, but you're going to have to buy them for whatever it costs him to make them.
		The numbers are 800-905-8367.
		That's 800-905-8367 or area code 509-465-1606.
		That's 509-465-1606.
		Now, Robert, this is so significant that other media is going, you know, a lot of media is going to be coming to you, and there's going to be a lot of pressure for you to disclose where all of this is.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I'll just tell them you're my agent.
unidentified		Don't you do that.
		Don't you do that?
		Don't you do that.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		But there is going to be a lot of that, and it will not be disclosed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, are you willing to talk to other media?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, other talk shows?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I'm willing to talk to other media.
		I'm willing to present the photographs for examination.
		I have no reason to create anything here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It's like this is what I found.
		This is what people kept asking me to start showing because I've talked about places that I've been how many times now on your show and things that I've seen.
		And people want you to come to the photographs of the amulets.
		I mean, the amulets are real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And in that amulet, if we go back to those amulets, there was an absolute depiction of Horus, the god Horus, the hawked god.
		Or we could call it Rigel, the eagle, winged eagle god.
		But they were definite.
		These came from mounds.
		And I've seen so much of this, but I've never recorded it because when I would go to these places, I would go with my elders for the purposes of learning so that I would understand that there was more to our history than I might have conceived.
		And I have my obligations to these people, to our own heritage that is already crumbling.
		And as we can see by the devastation of so many sites, they cannot be allowed to be numb until the world becomes a place where they start protecting these locations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't agree more.
		All right, Robert, hold on.
		All right, we are now going to go to the phones.
		If you have a question for Robert Ghostwolf.
		Now would be a good time.
		And I can see you're already all warmed up for it.
		So that's coming next.
		Robert Ghostwolf and you.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Broadcasting to 20 states in five Canadian provinces with 50,000 watts of Twin Cities Radio.
		You're listening to AM 1500 KSTP, St. Paul, Minneapolis.
unidentified		Music Good morning, everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you, we're going to do something a little special so that those of you who do not have a computer, and I understand that would be the larger portion of you out there, so those of you who don't have one can hear those who do.
		I would like to restrict all of my caller lines right now to those of you that have had an opportunity to actually see the photographs we are discussing.
		Obviously, over time, many more will.
		But what I would like is the impression of those who have actually seen the photographs.
		So please cooperate, if you would, all the caller lines right now.
		Let's restrict them to people who have actually had an opportunity to see the photographs.
		That will give you some way to gauge reaction.
		All right?
		So everybody else, hang up.
		If you have seen the photographs, and only if you have seen the photographs, call us on any one of the call-in numbers.
		Coming up next, your turn with Robert Ghostwolf.
unidentified		From the Kingdom of Nigh, this is Coast to Coast AM with Artfell.
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		Please limit your faxes to one or two pages.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell.
		Now again, here's Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, because of the really important nature of what's being discussed this morning, I really would like in the next half hour or so the opportunity to speak with those of you who have seen the photographs.
		So if everybody else would just lay back a little bit and not call, we'll get those on who have seen them and wish to comment and have questions.
		With that in mind, stand by.
		Robert Ghostwolf, coming right back.
unidentified		Are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what I would like to do, Robert, is bring some people on who have seen the photographs and get a few reactions and questions for you.
		How's that?
		Sure.
		All right.
		I'm doing that just so the audience, the larger audience, that hasn't heard.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		If they listen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If they listen.
		That's exactly right.
		So let's give it a try.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, how's it going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Cokeville, Tennessee, and my name is Rick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Rick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've seen the photos?
unidentified		Yes, I have.
		I'm amazed that you have so many photographs up on the website.
		I'm really impressed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, do you have any questions?
unidentified		Yes.
		What kind of equipment did you take up there to the site in addition to, of course, cameras?
		Did you take any video during those expeditions?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		They did take videos, but we couldn't shoot the videos given the conditions of the weather and the climes.
unidentified		Okay, and also, can you elaborate a little bit more on the expedition going in there as far as, you know, you said you took security in there and armed men and things like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's a good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Robert?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		The people who let us in, which were two, came armed because of strange things that have been going on in those mountains.
		As I indicated earlier, there's been an obvious decrease in the population amongst the bighorn sheep and the deer in that area.
		There were many, many stories of chupacabras.
		And so they would not, absolutely not go in there unless they had protection, protection for us, considering that we were going to go in there with our pipes and our sacred pipes and do our ceremony before we went in.
		And they didn't necessarily understand that.
		Some of them were just God-fearing cowboys.
		And they said, well, you do what you're going to do, Wolf.
		We're just going to sit here in case.
		And they absolutely made sure that we had to leave every day by 3.30 the latest so that we could get out of where this was and get back to civilization before dark fell.
		They would not stay there after dark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Understood.
		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert.
		Ghost Wolf, I take it you have seen the photos.
unidentified		Yes, I'm looking at them right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have to talk loud in your phone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		This is Darren Kahn from Minneapolis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Dan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Impressions?
unidentified		I'm looking at the Archangel Gabriel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I'm just amazed.
		And I was wondering if, like, well, I know you talked about how big they were, but compared to the other pictures, the Archangel Gabriel looks to me like it's a lot bigger than the rest of them.
		I was wondering if that was kind of true or not.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty big, but it's pretty high up, and I couldn't get to it.
unidentified		Okay.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		So I can only do a guesstimation, and I could be off by 15 feet, 20 feet, a guesstimation.
		Looking at it from the angle that we looked at it.
		The interesting thing to me about the Archangel is if we look really at the face of it, at the face of it, it's like almost identical to the face on Mars.
unidentified		It is.
unidentified		It's very definite, too.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It's not an accident.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And caller, the Sphinx.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any question about that?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		I mean, it's definite also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the Sphinx.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		There you are.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
		Hello, where are you?
unidentified		I'm from Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Phoenix?
		All right.
		Well, you're on the air.
unidentified		Great.
		Mr. Ghostwolf said something about having a vision that he may have seen something underneath the Sphinx.
		Can you elaborate on that?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		What I saw in the way I work these things is I do what's called a double-blind test.
		So I'll have someone or two people from different locations cue into what I'm doing.
		And you could call it remote vision.
		I believe it was the native people that taught the Army how to do it.
		And since we've been doing it for at least 30,000 years.
		And what I saw inside was a chamber.
		And what I saw inside the chamber was what appeared to me to be a liquid crystal.
		It's the only way I can describe it.
		It was spherical in shape, and it was moving.
		It was like lights moving, like fluid light.
		And yet it definitely had crystalline qualities.
		And when I checked with my sister in South Dakota, she had confirmed the presence of this kind of energy.
		And I checked with a Blackfoot friend up in Canada, and he had the same vision.
		I believe there's a term that I can't think of right now, deturion, crystal, which is a crystal, a liquid crystal.
		And I believe that they're experimenting with these things with NASA.
		I believe, understand that I don't have documents in front of me to go here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Surely yes.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And I also believe from the knowledge that I've gathered that this is some of the knowledge, technology that they discovered in some of the ships that they've captured, like in Area 51 and Hangar 18, where they are working with this and they don't understand it.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, the explanation is simple.
unidentified		This does exist.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Alien ships do use this to create their ships and fly their ships.
		The ships are organic in nature.
		If you go into the Roswell ships, if you want to believe that happened or you don't want to believe that happened, that's up to you.
		But for those of us who believe it did happen, if you go in, there was like no fingerboards, there was no keyboards, there was no controls.
		There were just two slots for hands to go in.
		So what happens is that whoever's flying the ship literally merges their consciousness with the ship.
		And that's the nature of how these things are activated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Robert, hold on a moment.
		We have to take a midway break here, and we'll get back to the phones.
		Five five, North American Trading.
		Once again, Robert Ghostwolf, and first-time caller line, you're on the air.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Scott Collins from Garden Grove, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Three things for Robert.
		Number one, wow.
		That's all I have to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take it that is a reaction to the photographs.
unidentified		Yes, it definitely is.
unidentified		It's just funny how we have a conglomerate of different things that are all at one site.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And apparently at another site.
unidentified		And, well, yeah, you're going to find more than one, I'm sure of it.
		The second thing is keep up the good work there, Robert.
		I really, really believe that it's going to do some good.
		Third thing, I have some supposition.
		You wonder why it would have kangaroos and the such in the petroglyphs.
		And I kind of almost connect this.
		You said that you've broken Bible code to a certain extent.
		I'm wondering, back in the early Old Testament, they discussed the Tower of Babba and how God, or if I believe there is, sundered all the races and split them apart, basically making sure that all knowledge was kind of...
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Twelve tribes.
unidentified		Was kind of forgotten.
		And it almost makes you wonder whether that could be something that would be tied into this.
		And I just was wondering your thoughts of how.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I don't believe it's entirely possible.
		The situation here, though, is that kangaroos didn't speak a language.
		And what we're dealing with is geophysical reality.
		Kangaroos aren't here.
		No, there are no kangaroos here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How could there possibly be?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		So what we're dealing with is an animal, and if we study some of the animal species throughout history that we have recorded of the species that are in Australia, they have some very unique creatures there that are specific to that area only.
		So to see that here, plus the didgiridoo, I don't have any record of that being a commonly known Native American instrument.
		As a matter of fact, I've never heard of it until the past 10 years being played in any connection with Native American music.
		It is not an instrument indigenous to the Turtle Island here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good evening, Arden Roberts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you?
unidentified		East of the Rockies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Robert, I'd like to talk with you about Zacharias Stitchin.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I think, did you mention him a little bit earlier?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he did.
unidentified		You know, I think this seems to all come back to Zacharias Stitchin' Anunnaki paradigm.
		We're talking about 200,000 or 400,000 or older monuments like this.
		Do you agree that Stitchin's paradigm is the best fit for this, especially in light of what's going on on Mars?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		In my opinion, Zachariah is extremely accurate.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And he's very unprejudiced in what he presents.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is simply more a verification of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that the way you look at it?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Just another affirmation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		Oh, I'm in Dallas, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir?
unidentified		Yes, I saw the pictures, and I don't quite understand the connection between the Phoenix, the Griffin, and the Archangel Michael.
		I mean, aren't those from three different groups of mythology?
		The Archangel Michael coming from the Christian mythology, and the things coming from the Egyptian mythology.
		I don't understand the connection between.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you believe it's Egyptian, that is.
unidentified		Well, that's generally where I've seen them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you raise.
		It's a good question.
		It's a good question.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, my comeback to that is that I mentioned earlier also that these are names I've given them.
unidentified		Oh, I see.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		They're just names I've given them because it was convenient.
		It's like there's a petroglyph that I have there that I call, are these flower children or illuminated beings?
		Did Woodstock really happen?
		Where in the petroglyphs, these beings have rays of light coming out of their head.
		Well, I saw things like that in the 70s, but that's another discussion.
		I can say this.
		What I am establishing is a Global vision, that we all come from one place, that at one time we were all one people, and that that's where we have to go now.
		And if we can see that we were all one and that there really is no separation, how come no matter what I hear in spiritual conversations and different theologies and religions, and what I hear in the prophecies or what I hear in the stories, they all basically come to the same place.
		They all speak of the flood.
		They all speak of the beings from the stars.
		They all speak of this ultimate shift that we're headed toward in the quickening, which I wrote a very good book about.
		Thank you.
		And if you haven't read my books, you should at least read his book and then get the other two, and it'll all start making sense.
unidentified		Color?
		Yeah, I understand that you say that all the things you've looked at, do you see this general thing, but I don't see those things in other religions, you know, such as the Vikings and Egyptian mythology.
		I've never, I don't seem to, you know, here's the thing.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		All Native Americans talk about, and I mean both North and South America, talked about the winged tribes, the winged beings.
		I believe Ken Carrey wrote a book called The Return of the Bird Tribes, where he talks about the Alguahanwe, the winged people, the winged beings that were here.
		We go to Egypt, we go to Babylonia, and we hear about the winged people, the people with plumes.
		We go to South America, and we hear about Quatsiquado, the plumed serpent.
		We're dealing with winged beings, and don't let the language get in your way.
		When you get into these kinds of discoveries, when you get into these formations, these sculptures, these paintings, these petroglyphs, these hieroglyphics, you have to get into what is it beyond the word?
		Don't let the word stop you.
		One place it may be an angel.
		In another place, it may be a master with Vesica Pisces coming out of his solar plexus.
		In another place, it's the winged being.
		In another place, still, it's a witch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You're exactly right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert, Ghost Wolf.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you?
unidentified		In Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you're going to have to yell at us a little bit here.
unidentified		Okay, no problem.
		Can you hear now?
		Yeah.
		Okay.
		I'm very astounded by that scene.
		And it's very clear the face.
		I have a question, though.
		These pictures were taken.
		Two questions, actually.
		What time of the day were these pictures taken?
		And was it recently in the Rocky Month?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		They were within the last month, and they were taken at various times.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I can't remember at the time she took a lot of pictures.
unidentified		Distinctly.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		But they were basically between 10 o'clock in the morning and 3.30 in the afternoon.
unidentified		Okay.
		That kind of bothers me because I'm an avid hunter here in the Colorado area, and I've hunted up and down the Rocky Mountain area there.
		And southern-faced mountainsides are illuminated in 180 degrees between 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock.
		They're fully exposed.
		Are you sure that that wasn't taken earlier in the morning?
		Because the shadow seemed to be on the left side of the face, and that would have to be before 9 o'clock in the morning.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I wasn't up there with the camera that early.
		And the other thing is that we were dealing, especially with the picture of the Sphinx, the extremely overcast sky.
		We just had snows the day before, and that day things were slowly breaking up.
unidentified		Yeah, one other thing that kind of, you had someone, Art, you had mentioned someone had sent in a fax.
		Both Sierra pine as well as pinyon pine are of the genus of species evergreen coniferous, and they do not grow past 12,500 feet.
		I think if you found trees higher than that, pine trees higher than that, you found a biological historical thing that never has existed before.
		And I was wondering, is there something special about that area?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he did say earlier, if you heard, that it seemed warmer in that immediate area.
unidentified		Well, the pine trees, though, that evergreen coniferous needs a certain level of oxygen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oxygen, I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
unidentified		It's about 12,500 feet.
unidentified		That level of oxygen does not exist, and the only thing that can live up there is moss.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you want to hit that one again, Robert?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can simply say that when I looked at the topos of the area, that what they read on the maps went from everywhere from 9,000 feet to 14,000 feet.
		Where I was standing, there was nothing above me except very far away.
		I didn't take an altimeter with me.
		I don't know the exact footage here.
		So if I'm off a little bit, that's possible.
		But I know that I'm well above 10,000 feet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well above 10.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And when I got to where I had to go, I had to climb up.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And it took two hours to climb up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Two hours.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Full bore climb.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many were in your party?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Five to seven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Five to seven.
		So, in other words, at different points, there would have been one or two dropped off or something or what?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, they would go to a different site.
		They would go to a different area.
		We would try to cover the whole area.
		Quite a large area.
		And we're talking about a couple of, you know, probably the whole site is probably a good two, three mile area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So obviously a lot more research has got to be done.
		But look, I'm telling you folks, we're at the top of the hour.
		We're going to break here.
		Get up to my website and take a look.
		I believe it's cleared enough.
		You can get in now at www.artbell.com.
		Scroll down to Robert Ghostwolf's name, click on the link, and you won't believe your eyes.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		STP.
		STP.
		I keep hearing your concerns about my happiness.
		But all the thoughts you're giving me is conscious idea.
		If I was walking in your shoes, I wouldn't wear it now.
		For you, no friends who worry about me.
		I've been on the fun.
		Galls and flowers on the wall.
		That doesn't bother me at all.
		Play and father.
		With the deck of 51.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and we are discussing a remarkable, remarkable archaeological find in the Rocky Mountains, an unspecified location.
		We have photographs.
		If you wish to see them, go to my website, www.artbell.com.
		That's A-R-T-B-E-L-L dot com.
		Scroll down to the name Robert Ghost Wolf and see the photographs.
		Just click on the link.
		Or you can go to wolflodge.com.
		Either one will yield these photographs for you, just absolutely amazing photographs.
		What do they mean?
		Well, I'll leave that up to you.
		There have been an occasional one or two people say, Art, I just can't see it.
		I just can't see it.
		And if you can't see it, then you're not looking or you don't want to see it.
		But look, I have been as critical as anybody can be of various rock formations that I, frankly, have been unable to see that others have shown us.
		To me, there is no question about this.
		If you can't see it, then I suggest to you, my friend, you are not looking.
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		Well, all right, back now to Robert Ghostwolf, who has made what I consider to be the archaeological find of my lifetime right here in North America and of all places in the Rocky Mountains.
		Robert, were you surprised to find this where you did?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I was.
		I was like, okay.
		It just goes to show that you never keep learning.
		You never stop learning.
		You just keep learning.
		And, you know, when I find these things and these sites, and I go there, it's like what happens to me is I start to realize that it's time for petty squabbles and separatism and arguments over things, resources, materials.
		It's like it's time to realize that we are really moving forward into something where the only thing that matters is the soul.
		So what does it matter?
		We're going to find things like this in Tibet.
		We're going to find things like this in South America.
		We're going to find things like this in Africa.
		We are starting to find, and people are starting to come out and present this because of the way the world's shrinking with internet and web.
		You don't have to wait for Charlton Hesson to produce a movie.
		You can just put it up like we're trying to do tonight.
		And I just think I know that this is going to shock some people.
		It's going to anger some people.
		It's going to excite other people.
		But I just think it's incredible that we're now evidencing what prior to this was just story and myth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Back to the lines.
		First time call our line.
		You're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm in Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Houston.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you had an opportunity to view these photographs?
unidentified		I certainly have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And?
unidentified		On the website.
		I think they're about time.
		It's about time something like this is going to be revealed.
		I'm not surprised.
		I know they're there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With regard to the sinks, is there any doubt in your mind what you're seeing?
unidentified		No.
		No, there isn't.
		And I'm sure that there is a lot more of these everywhere.
		In fact, I think I heard something about an underwater site.
		I don't know if somebody published something on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe somebody could respond to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can tell you, off Okinawa.
unidentified		Off Okinawa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Right.
		And I think there's going to probably, you know, there's, I know that they're around.
		I've spent a lot of time traveling out in the West and seen some mysteries myself.
		I'm sure that this will stick.
		That's the key, is will it stick?
		And I think that with the Internet and you having radio at the same time, people won't be able to push things away as they used to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, with only radio, you know, if we were to come on the air and do a radio program and we were to describe this to people without having the backup of these photographs, it would be very easy to dismiss.
unidentified		Right, and it's easy for things to vanish quickly and things to change quickly when you don't have instant worldwide.
		Now people have downloaded pictures everywhere and there's a way for things like this to come out nowadays and having teams of people working on it and working through, actually you have a focal point.
		What I see is one of the most focal points in possibly history if everybody works together in the right way.
		You see what I'm saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
		I agree, and I thank you for the call.
		Do you have any questions you want to?
unidentified		I do have one other thing to throw in because it's just kind of strange, but I know it goes along the whole thing.
		And it's another part of this that people haven't been talking about much, is that giant bird sightings are Recently, there was even a program on some cable show about a giant bird sighting.
		And I saw myself in the middle of the city of Houston with other witnesses, a giant bird about 18 feet tall with 22-foot wings.
		And then a couple weeks later, somebody told me about another thing about a giant bird that had actually attacked a dog or something up there in Colorado somewhere or something.
		And I wonder if there's any response on that.
		But I looked all over the internet for different kinds of things.
		I found a lot of different things about in Missouri a giant bird with people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of recent anomalies, yes.
		Robert, you alluded to that anyway.
		In this area.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It's the return of the thunderbirds.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		This is one of the signs of the seven thunder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The seventh thunder.
		I really meant to cover the seven thunders tonight, but this information, these photographs, are so astounding that it's hard to get off on anything else.
		We will, though.
		Wildguard line, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, this is Ian in San Luis Obispo, home of the Shoe Mash Indians.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		Great show, Art, and good to talk to you, Robert.
		Good to talk to you.
		Yeah, I'm really impressed with the Angel Gabriel also, the hair and the wings.
		And it was well worth the wait, Robert.
		And we were waiting for a couple weeks for this.
		Thanks.
		And I have a couple of questions for you.
		One, is this in the San Luis Valley area of the Song?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to say.
unidentified		Okay, okay.
unidentified		Please understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got to know, Caller.
		If he were to say even roughly where it was, the world would descend.
		You and I both know it.
unidentified		Right.
		And this kind of sounds like the movie The Lost Tribe of the Dogman.
		Are you guys familiar with that?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I am.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was just like, that exists.
unidentified		Right, right.
		Also, Robert, do you find a similarity between Hopi last names and Polynesian last names?
		I kind of see that similarity.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I'm not familiar with Polynesian last names.
		There's a lot of similarities between Hopi writings and Mayan writings and Korean writings.
		One of the people who went to the sites in Arizona with me, the Petroglyphs and the Caves that I took them to, where I took these pictures in the caves down there, was the Grand Dow master, Master Lee from Korea.
		And he was fascinated with the similarities.
unidentified		And the last thing, Robert, are you familiar with the sighting in May of 1996 near the Dinebato Rocky Ridge area of the Navajo Hopi Reservation?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		What sighting?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I'm not familiar with Debato.
unidentified		It actually made a couple of major newspapers.
unidentified		Supposedly, two Navajo women on disputed land were visited by two beings.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		The Kachinas.
unidentified		Right.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And I am, and I believe on a previous show with her, I spoke about that.
unidentified		Okay.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And I spoke about how in certain areas around there they were finding corn plants growing where they had been.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Growing.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Growing.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Thank you.
		Robert, you said earlier you alluded to the fact that you were being watched.
		Do you know who's watching you?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		There are some strange bureaucratic folk that would like to find out how I know what I know and where my information comes from.
		I'll leave that there.
		I'm also being watched by the elders to see if I respect the integrity of the Native people.
		And the information has to get out.
		The truth has to get out.
		But locations can't be told.
		And the exact nature of some of the things that we know are there can't be discussed.
		And I think that they're watching for integrity right now because I am Matei.
		And being Matei, I fall into that questionable category of strange folks like Willie Nelson, Chris Christofferson, and Will Rogers, you know.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Eaves to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Robert, Ghostwolf, and Art Bell.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		I'm Cynthia from Connecticut.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Cynthia.
unidentified		I enjoy your show.
		And I'm looking at the photographs.
		And I was curious to know the photograph that you label as graffiti.
		Do you have any sense of what that writing means, Robert?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It's someone's name.
unidentified		It's someone's name?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, in a lot of these sites, you know, when they find out where they are, they come in with their cryon spray cans, and they write their names and the kind of graffiti you see on the sides of trains and things.
unidentified		I mean, are you saying this is modern graffiti or ancient graffiti?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, that particular graffiti was actually written in 1899.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Modern, then.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		So it's modern, but there's other places where, at that particular site, where things are a lot more recent.
		And this is another reason why we just can't let these things be known until there's some measure or some program where the people get together and say, hey, we have to protect this stuff because our records are here.
		You know, the West is an incredible treasure house of information with the amount of sites.
		I mean, I've seen ancient cities that people don't even know about where they inhabited 300, 500 people and the size of cliffs where they had chambers and pictures of the goddess and lunar wheels and sacred geometry that were done thousands and thousands of years ago.
		And I personally concur precisely with Zachariah and with Richard Hoagland on the fact that these places are well over 2,000 years old, but most people aren't ready to swallow that.
unidentified		Well, I can understand that.
		Now, the Archangel Gabriel, was that something that appeared almost sculpted, or would you consider that more of a natural formation?
		Or how are you interpreting that?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are formations in the native understanding that are created by spirit.
		And there are creations, formations that have been created by beings from other places.
		I've seen evidence in a lot of other places where there was obvious laser use in the sculpting of the stone.
		There's a certain texture to the way the laser moves through stone.
		I've worked with it a couple of times with contemporary things.
		I didn't see evidence of that here, but all I can say about what I saw was it wasn't an accident.
unidentified		And then what makes you interpret that as the Archangel Gabriel?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's just a name.
		It looked like that, and so he just gave it a name.
		And people are getting carried away.
		Maybe it's Fred, yeah.
		I mean, when you look at these photographs, what, ma'am, forget the names.
		What do you conclude you're looking at?
unidentified		I do see something that appears very angelic looking.
unidentified		And in stone is even more incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I guess that's why he gave it the name he gave it, because it looks like what you think it looks like.
unidentified		I thought there was some more mythological background to that.
		No.
		Because it's very intriguing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		All right.
		Thank you very much, and take care.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Francisco and Reno Art.
		Robert, this is an amazing photograph I'm looking at.
		I'm looking at them on Art's page right now.
		And I was wondering if I could play Devil's Asket for a moment.
		Is it possible that there's another photograph like these anywhere else that could be compared to them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're asking whether anybody else has taken a photograph of the same.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It's entirely possible as a lot of people in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But do we know of any?
		No.
		Do you, Robert?
		No.
		No.
		All right.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Because I'm looking at the art, you know, the Angel Gabriel, and you can see the wings, and you can see, I guess, those are hands in front.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It looks like it could show up.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It's holding something.
		It could be a book.
		It could be a harp.
		Because of the horizontal lines, I'm assuming it's some sort of a book or some sort of a tablet.
unidentified		Oh, okay, because, you know, it is a little blurred, but, you know, it is still very clear.
unidentified		So, you know, it is no real detail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the Sphinx?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you see anything other than a Sphinx there?
unidentified		Well, you know, it looks like paws or that black dark in the front foreground.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but I'm talking about the main feature, the face of the Sphinx.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you see the symmetrical?
unidentified		Oh, yeah, you can see the face exactly.
		Yeah, okay.
		It looks like the face on Mars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thank you very much.
		That's exactly what it looks like.
		Thank you.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Robert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mart.
unidentified		I live in southwest Colorado, and I just wanted to ask a couple of questions.
		Obviously, there is something here.
		I don't know that everybody will get to every picture, but Robert, could you give us the exact dates that you were up there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That I'm sure he can do.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It was in the beginning of March.
unidentified		The beginning of March?
unidentified		Say the first weekend of March?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Like the first week, 10 days.
unidentified		Well, there's a couple of things that I'm sure that this is there, and I'm sure this is not a doctored photo of any kind.
		I just have a real question since I live here about the elevation, which I think is much lower than what you may have thought.
		And during the weekend that you'd mentioned, there was a real pretty good blizzard and snowstorm.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I'm aware of that.
unidentified		And I just...
		The rocks and everything just don't look like they're covered with enough snow, especially at the altitude that you're thinking it might be at.
		There should be a lot more.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		There was a lot of snow on my fortune.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Color, color, color.
unidentified		Pause.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take a deep breath and pause and let him answer.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		There was a lot of snow on certain sides of the mountain, and there was a lot of snow on the way to where I was going.
		And it took us some major delays to get to where we were going and drive through some areas that had some pretty deep snow.
		And the strange anomaly about where we went is it was fairly warm.
		And one morning there was like a 14-inch snowfall, and two days later, it was gone.
unidentified		Well, I mean, it certainly looks like there's some good snow melt where these were taken.
		It sort of looks to me like all three of the photos were taken from the same direction.
		But maybe I'm just fooled by the shadows.
		But it seems to me like it would be much below 14,000.
		And the other thing about the 14,000 peaks, they're pretty heavily traveled, especially in the summertime when there would not be any snow on the ground because there's a circuit that a lot of people in Colorado like to climb and claim that they've climbed all of the 14,000-foot peaks in the state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's saying, I believe he said it could be as low as 10.
unidentified		Yeah, I just feel like it's probably a lot lower.
unidentified		And the other thing on the direction, if you're saying like some of the pictures face the southwest, I don't know of any peaks that would face south in Colorado that would face anywhere but New Mexico if it was facing south.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Robert?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's no way that I could tell except by looking at compass reading.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you're talking about something, you know, Connor, you're going to have to hold on if you want to.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		You want to hang tight?
		Sure.
		All right.
		Hold on.
		I'm Art Bell.
		The photographs are there at www.artbell.com.
		Scroll down to Robert Ghostwolf's name and take a look.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
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unidentified		Shadows thinking amazing.
		The romance in our head Evans holding a handful that is all to a sad new kick up a little bit.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be us.
		Good morning, everybody.
		Robert Ghostwolf is my guest.
		The photographs are absolutely remarkable.
		You've got to see them throughout the weekend.
		If you were unable to get through this night, then throughout the weekend, get to my website or his and take a look.
		Mine is www.artbell.com.
		And you just scroll down to the name Robert Ghostwolf and examine the photographs at your leisure.
		His website is awolflodge.com.
		That's the normal www stuff.
		And then wolflodge.com.
		We'll be right back with you and Robert Ghostwolf.
unidentified		The night has closed in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell is here, and so is After Dark.
		All right.
		A very good question for you, Robert.
		Once again, Robert Ghostwolf.
		Why did Robert Ghostwolf make his trek in midwinter rather than wait until later spring or even summer?
		He would have had presumably better climbing conditions.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'd like to cover two things with this.
		One, I didn't go on a scientific expedition here with 12 scientists.
		I couldn't afford that.
		And obviously, I'm not a scientist.
		And if I were to give exact elevations, I know there's a lot of mountain climbers out there that know exactly what elevation, what peak is at, where it is.
		So that in its own way would be giving away a map, wouldn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, with regard to elevation and location, don't depend on what you're hearing.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I am going to say is that I was there.
		These photographs were taken.
		They were taken during the first part of March.
		And when you're traveling 20 miles back into the mountains, you're going up and down and up and down and up and down, and you're climbing up and down and up and down.
		You don't really know how high you are anymore.
		Regarding to why I went there in midwinter, the window was open.
		And the purpose of going there was a spiritual reason so that people in the native world as well as the other worlds would understand that many of the stories that have been told about these kinds of places were real.
		That we would understand that we had other beginnings.
		And the window was open and the people were all there.
		And we went into ceremony and realized that the weather would stand back, which it did, and it did in this area.
		And all around me was nothing but storms and blizzards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		All right.
		Let me bring this caller back.
		Caller, you're back on the air again.
		Do you want to continue with what your line of question?
unidentified		Well, sure.
		And I'm really not calling to try and debunk anything.
		I think that the comments that Robert just made go a long way to answering the questions that I had.
		To me, obviously, because I live here in Colorado, it doesn't seem to be the right altitude, and it doesn't seem to be, you know, have the kind of snow coverage that if you said you took this yesterday, it would be still hard for me to believe because the kind of snow coverage at 14,000 or whatever, you could come back in two months and it would still be more than what's in these photos.
		You might remember back to the jet crash, you know, up around Eagle that they had such a tough time getting the pilot's body out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They sure did.
unidentified		That's the kind of conditions that you're going to face at the altitude that he was originally talking about.
unidentified		So if it's exactly what you say it is, certainly it maybe has powers to keep the snow melted.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Based on the photographs as you see them, sir, can you imagine what would happen if we were to give the actual altitude and location?
		Can you imagine what would happen?
		Well, I think that just because of the questions that I've raised, that's why it's imperative that there needs to be some sort of scientific proof or verification because what I'm saying is, though, just based on what you see, can you imagine what would occur if you were to disclose where this is?
unidentified		Oh, well, I tend to give people a bit more credit.
		I don't know that there would be as much damage and looting as maybe you guys have referred to.
		I think it could be a great important find for the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I certainly agree with that.
		Thank you.
		And Robert, you want to address that?
		He's saying, no, people would be good.
		They wouldn't desecrate the site.
		They wouldn't chip away the stone or any of the rest of it.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I travel a lot of strange planes, and I see a lot of strange things and talk about a lot of things that are even stranger.
		But I tend to be a total realist when it comes down to human nature.
		And just like people steal hotel towels and ashtrays, they're going to walk away with a sacred site.
		I've seen it happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, actually, so have I, Robert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've seen it again and again and again.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And regarding snow, I understand that the other day it snowed in Israel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It did, as a matter of fact.
		It did.
		It not only snowed a little, it snowed a lot.
		It was remarkable.
		Sign of things to come.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, this is Dave in Cleveland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dave.
unidentified		How are you doing?
		My first thought is I'm very glad this is going out over your program, Art.
		And my question to Mr. Ghostwolf is, is there any way to get a scientific person or team to this location to verify the exact date of this location so that there would be a less likely occurrence of individuals trying to defame you or the sites here in this area?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I think that eventually the hope of myself and some of the people involved is that some people with integrity who we are contacting through our own sources would turn around and do exactly what you're saying.
		And there definitely is the intent of verifying things beyond that, which is why this is only the beginning of the story.
		I've only had a couple of weeks to put this thing together.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So this is just the breaking news, as it were?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I'm very relieved that it's coming out of your program, Mark, because otherwise I don't think we'd hear a word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can be pretty sure of that.
		All right.
		Thank you.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwald.
unidentified		Fine.
unidentified		Hi, Mike in Berkeley, listening to you on KOH.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Mike.
unidentified		I believe one of your past, or one of the previous callers, was mentioning the San Luis Valley in southern Colorado, and I'd just like to vouch for the strange things that do happen in Colorado.
		There's a book out by a gentleman named Christopher O'Brien called The Mysterious Valley.
		And he documents the cattle mutilations.
		Supposedly, a crystal skull was found there.
		There's glowing balls of light very, very frequently.
		The Tao's hum can be heard there.
		And so I would just like to say that.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		The Tao's hum all the way in Colorado.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		The San Luis Valley extends from northern New Mexico in tetrahedral land all the way up into Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate the call.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, and take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, is this me?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only you know that for sure, but it sounds like you.
unidentified		Okay, yeah, I'm just listening to Real Audio Feed on the Internet, catching your show that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you also able to see the photographs?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
		I was wondering, people were saying that, you know, it could be very easy to find a site like this in the mountains because of the obviousness of the formations and the rock.
		Well, I've been in Colorado quite a few times myself, and hiking around in the mountains, it's like you can look at a face of rock from one angle and not really see anything except the face of rock.
		But once you catch it at the right angle, I mean, it's right there as clean as day.
		And I'm sure that millions of people have hiked through this location and probably thought nothing of him because their angle was just another rock face.
		My primary question was with the petroglyphic carving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
		Before you go on to the petroglyphs, Robert, you were there.
		We weren't.
		The camera angle you have given us, it's really pretty obvious.
		For example, the Archangel, the Sphinx, there's very little photographic doubt about it at all.
		But you obviously have seen it from different angles.
		Can you tell us whether the symmetrical aspects of these photographs hold up from different angles as well?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they do.
		It's not like going to a place like Sedona where you see things that from one angle look like something and then from the other angle don't look like anything.
		Also, you know, when you do go by these kinds of places, even when you go by where the petroglyphs are, a lot of it has to do with where your mindset is.
		It's like if you're all agitated and you're all full of anxieties, you can walk right by 50 petroglyphs and not see them.
		Definitely.
		And all of a sudden you get into a certain space and like you turn around and you go, wow, this is the same rock I was just looking at and they sort of come out.
		Or one of the terms I like to use is it lights up.
		It's like you lit it up and you see it now.
unidentified		There's a certain vibe that it emanates in order to bring it to your attention as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You wanted to ask about the petroglyphs?
unidentified		Yes, I was wondering with some of the petroglyphic carvings that are in the lower images, did you notice what the depths were in the stone carving?
		Were there any significant depths or were most of them shallow scratches?
		What was the texture of those petrols?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Most of them were shallow scratches.
		There were some forms of organ writing that were carved much deeper.
		But they didn't, for whatever reason, probably because of the camera I was using, I didn't have a zoom lens here or things.
		We had a zoom lens when we were in the Rockies, but we dropped it and it broke.
		But I couldn't make those come out, and those were really deep.
		They were like a half an inch deep.
		These were typical petroglyphs that weren't carved or etched that deeply.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of them were paint.
unidentified		Very similar to some of the cave and rock paintings in Wisconsin.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And their colors, one of the things that was remarkable to me about the petroglyphs was some of the colors that you could still see the flakes on the paint.
		I mean, there were some brilliant tones there.
		There were some turquoises and pinks and greens and violets, blues, that I haven't seen before.
unidentified		So I can see some of the patterns that are very reminiscent of the effigy mountain structures along the Mississippi River.
		I've done a lot of research on those.
		There's a lot of turtles and looks like some lizard-type things.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're really quite remarkable petroglyphs because they verify a lot of prophecies.
		And these particular petroglyphs, in my interpretation thus far, I haven't had a lot of time.
		But in my interpretation thus far, everything that I look, when you look at some of these places, especially this place, you have to look at all of them to get the story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There will be a great deal of interpretation, I'm sure, done over the next few days and weeks by the audience who's going to be able to do it.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		The stories of the flood are incredible there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good evening, Art.
		Good evening, Robert.
		A few things real quick, because I know we're getting toward the end of things.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		All right, where are you from?
unidentified		Earlier, you had said, well, hold it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold it, hold it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Sacramento.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And have you seen these photographs?
unidentified		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And?
unidentified		They're incredible.
		I mean, I think people are getting hung up on the terms that Robert gave them because he just annoyed them with terms that he was compelled with.
		And so people are going there and they're looking for a Sphinx.
		And in regard to the people that couldn't make it out or said they couldn't see it, you might want to, or let's advise them to look to the side of the rock where the face is on the side and not directly straight on, look trying to make something out of the shadows directly straight on.
		If you look to the side of the rock, it's absolutely perfectly crystal clear.
		And the other thing that I really quick wanted to say was earlier you had said wolflodge.com and it's wolflodge.org.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And very rare to correct Art Bell.
		And the other, but the question I had for Robert, and I'm really curious, Robert, do you feel that because the elders had this knowledge and because you've found other aspects to these discoveries about the Stargate,
		as you talk about on your site, do you think that there was any kind of derailment for mankind because of the genocide of the Native Americans?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could you?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		I think that we lost a lot of very valuable information during a time of incredible zealot ignorance.
		But it's not the first time we've gone through that.
		So this is not about casting blame.
		It's about realizing what might have gone wrong.
unidentified		I understand that.
		I don't mean to suggest blame.
		I mean, it was a tragedy, of course, but I guess what the heart of my question is, is did it affect the time factor in us reaching a particular destiny or greater knowledge?
		Did it slow us down or did it derail us or did it take us onto a different path?
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		It made it harder for us to put the whole picture together.
		We're now dealing with a lot of fragmented information where at once that information was totally intact.
		That information is now totally fragmented.
		But there are places and there are records that are still intact.
		Right now, what's being shown, not particularly here at this site, but what people are discovering all over the place.
		I am not the only one who's discovering things.
		I know.
		And what we're seeing now is an incredible realization of something that's getting us beyond the stereotype image of a bunch of guys in loancloths riding on horses shooting buffaloes.
		Like there was a part of our history where that's where we were.
		There was a part of the European history where everybody wore 500 pounds of metal and sat on a horse, and if they fell off, they stayed there for 30 days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		30 days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		But now we are moving into a place where we are starting to see the oneness of so many things that go beyond what we have been allowed to see because only a privileged few knew about the information and they kept it secret.
		Now what we're seeing is like, wait a minute, you know, what I just saw over there in Tibet looks just like this thing that I saw down in Indonesia, which reminds me of what I saw in Africa.
		And what is it doing on a cave in Spain?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're woefully short on time.
		We might be able to fit a couple more in.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Ghostwolf.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, where are you?
unidentified		This is Lucy of San Antonio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Lucy.
unidentified		Hi, I am so excited.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've seen the photographs, I take it.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, and they're very clear to see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they are.
unidentified		But I believe, you know, if you want to see it, if you're open to see it, you know, you'll see it.
		But the angel, the archangel, I believe the way he named it was just quite appropriate.
		Because I see Gabriel more as a messenger than a gatekeeper.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there sure is a message here.
unidentified		Yeah, I believe so.
		I think the whole thing is a sign and a message, especially since there's a correlation between the Sphinx and Orion.
		Okay, do you understand?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, clearly.
unidentified		Do you understand what the Orion and the constellation and how the Bible talks about the Nazareth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're talking to somebody who's been interviewing Richard Hoagland for years.
unidentified		Okay, yeah.
		Well, you know, there's a whole connection.
		The Bible says that the heavens declare his glory, and that's what the constellations are.
		Orion speaks of the coming one, the one of light.
		So I think what you're seeing here is a message.
		And when he talked about the seven thunders, Revelation talks about the seven thunders, and each one is a message.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe they would be the seven seals.
unidentified		No, these thunders are going to be messages given by angels.
unidentified		That's how I interpret it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		Well, I wouldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I appreciate it.
		I'd look at the seven seals.
		There's a big parallel if you look at the seven seals and the seven thunders, but that's another program.
		And Robert, we're just about flat out of time here.
		Listen.
		Please give out your information one more time.
		You've been kind enough to put the photographs for free on my website, on your website.
		Those who don't have computers and can't get to a library, if they want the photographs, you will sell them copies for what it costs to produce them.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		You sell them copies for what it costs to produce them.
		And if they buy the books, they can call 800-905-8367.
		Or they can call 509-465-1606.
		When they buy the books, copies, from now until Tuesday, after Tuesday, I'm cutting that off.
		But from now until Tuesday, if they buy the books, and you have to understand that Last Cry is volume one, and Windsor Change is Volume 2.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		So to understand Windsor Change, you have to buy Last Cry, or you won't understand some of the things that I'm referring to in there.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And if they do that, we will include that with the purchase.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, listen, my friend, it has been quite a night.
		I knew it was going to be earlier in the day.
		Frankly, I'm glad I didn't know about all of this before early today, because I could never have kept it to myself.
		It would have killed me.
		So thanks for breaking it on my program.
		That's all I can say.
		And I'm sure you're going to be hearing from other media as well.
		And so I wish you good luck and thank you for bringing your news here, my friend.
unidentified		Thank you.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		And next time we'll talk about the prophecies connected to all this stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We will indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
robert ghostwolf ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Arc.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, folks.
		That's all the time there is.
		I'm sorry.
		Everybody's lined up, and we could have taken 10 million calls on all of this.
		What can I say?
		Robert has told his story.
		His story is backed with photographic evidence.
		Go take a look yourself.
		Judge yourself.
		That's all I can say to people, and that's how I do my programs.
		Be a judge yourself.
		The web address is www.artbell.com.

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