Phillip Krapf, a 25-year Los Angeles Times Metro editor and Pulitzer veteran, claims aliens abducted him in June 1997, transporting him to a 600x400-foot starship for a "P-O-E-I session" with 5’3” humanoid beings. They revealed plans by the "verdants"—an intergalactic federation—to integrate humanity based on its nobility (art, literature) and suppress warlike factions via tech isolation, aiming for Earth’s entry by 2008–2009. Though he lacks proof, Krapf insists their advanced intelligence and compassion validate his account, despite skepticism and psychological risks of going public. [Automatically generated summary]
I've been a professor for the last 30 years in the newspaper business.
And what he did was he was a copy editor on the MetroDesk of the Los Angeles Times.
Now that in itself would make a good show.
I'm not going to tell you the rest of his story.
I'm going to let that be a surprise for you.
We'll talk to him, of course, about journalism and some other things, and then I think what he has to say to you will indeed be quite a shock.
Tomorrow night, Daniel Brinkley.
A lot of you have been waiting for Daniel to come back, so for at least two hours tomorrow night, we'll have Daniel back in the middle, man.
Does he have some news on Egypt?
Holy Mac.
There's going to be some interesting times in Egypt as a result of what they have discovered.
He'll tell you about it tomorrow night.
And then, Wednesday night, we'll have Hat Murphy here.
Hat Murphy owns two commercial broadcast stations, or parts of them.
But he is going to be here talking about Pirate Radio.
AM, FM, and Shortwave.
Those people who defy the Federal Communications Commission and no doubt other world regulatory organizations and transmit without license sometimes some pretty strange material.
So it'll be interesting to hear what he has to say from the point of view of a commercial broadcaster about all of this.
He knows a lot about it, and there is some regulation pending with the FCC right now.
So we'll tell you about that.
Then Thursday night, Friday morning, David John Oates will be here.
And I can tell you right now what the reversals, well, I can't, of course, tell you what they're going to be, but I can tell you who is going to be reversed.
Reverse speech of Kathleen Willey, Dr. Malin, that should be interesting.
And, of course, Major Ed Dames.
And we've been planning that one for a while, and I'm kind of looking forward to it.
That'll be Thursday.
And then, let's see, Friday, it'll be Robert Ghostwolf.
I know a lot of you have planned and have been hoping for that one.
Britain's air and seaports, get this folks, this is the lead story on Reuters.
Britain's air and seaports have been put on alert to the threat of anthrax being smuggled into the country by Iraq.
The all-ports warning follows a threat by Iraqi President Saddam Hussein to flood Britain with the deadly toxin disguised inside duty-free bottles of alcohol, cosmetics, cigarette lighters, and perfume sprays.
Good God.
According to The Sun, the newspaper reported that an intelligence document reveals, indeed, an Iraqi plot to smuggle anthrax into hostile countries.
In Washington, the State Department had no comment on whether the U.S. was also a target.
The court has upheld California term limits, giving a big boost to term limits, the idea.
Israel is talking about expanding Jerusalem.
Actually expanding the borders of Israel's contested capital westward to mark the Jewish state's 50th anniversary.
That'll probably cause trouble.
So there you have it.
That is the conventional news, such as it is to this hour.
Astrophysicist Stephen Hawking made some very interesting comments a week or so ago at the White House.
And what he said was, quote, of course it is possible that UFOs really do contain aliens, as many people believe, and the government is hushing it up, end quote.
Stephen Hawking said that on C-SPAN.
He was the guest lecturer at the second millennium evening at the White House on March 6th.
With President Bill and Hillary looking on, Stephen Hawking admitted the possibility of a UFO cover-up during the C-SPAN television's coverage of Imagination and Change, Science in the Next Millennium.
Professor Stephen Hawking, often considered one of the brightest men on planet Earth, who authored A Brief History of Time, was guest lecturer.
Stephen Hawking, after comments about the growth of population and scientific knowledge, stated, clearly, the present, listen to this now, the present exponential growth cannot continue indefinitely, so what will happen?
One possibility is we wipe ourselves out completely by some disaster like nuclear war.
There was a sick joke that the reason we have not been visited by extraterrestrials is that when a civilization reaches our stage of development, it becomes unstable and destroys itself.
Of course, he went on, it is possible that UFOs really do contain aliens, as many people believe, and the government is hushing it up.
Quote, personally, he said, I believe there is a different explanation why we have not been contacted, but I'm not going to go into it here.
However, even without that, there is a very real danger that we will kill everything on this planet now, now that we have the technology and power to do so.
And that was a comment by the person who sent it to me.
Phil spent 30 years in the newspaper business as a reporter, photographer, editor, and editorial writer.
He worked for 25 years as an editor on the Metro copy desk of the Los Angeles Times in the main downtown newsroom.
During that time, he shared in a Pulitzer Prize as a member of the Metro team that won the award for that newspaper's coverage of the Los Angeles Riots back in 1992.
The author took early retirement in 1993 at the age of 58 Smart.
Prior to joining the Times staff in 1968, he spent the first five years of his career after graduating from college in 1963 as a staff member of the community newspaper in San Fernando, California.
He, of course, began as a Cub reporter.
He lives with his wife in Southern California now.
Since you work for such a high profile, I mean, it is one of the nation's great newspapers, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, the Chicago Sun-Times.
I guess they're the cream of the crop, aren't they?
Well, newspapermen generally don't have very long lifespans, and they figure that some of it might be attributed to too many deadlines, too many cups of coffee, too many missed meals, things like that.
And also, the Times was, quite frankly, on an austerity program at the time, and they were offering generous buyouts.
And I was at that age where I thought, well, might as well grab it now.
It wasn't like I was in my 40s.
I was, you know, only had about seven years left.
And the offer was so generous that I thought that I should take it.
Yeah, in my case, why is just a header right into my desk with a very dramatic clunk on the air, and that'd be about it.
So I think you did make indeed a wise decision.
Now, there are some interesting things happening between what was your business and what is my business now, broadcasting, and television and television news and the various types of magazine shows that are on television and now even with newspapers around the country.
Things are changing.
And the line between news and entertainment and information that may or may not be true is all beginning to get blurred.
It's occurred most particularly in the last few years.
Did you, prior to your retirement, begin to notice that?
With today's electronic age, the internet, the drudge report that flashes across the internet before newspapers can even get hold of it, how do you see the whole industry changing?
Is the internet going to affect adversely newspapers and broadcast media?
I, for example, rely heavily on electronic media, the internet, CNN, for my news so that I know what's going on, and I will absorb as much as I can just prior to my airtime.
And if I read the newspaper, I'm reading about what occurred yesterday, a problem for newspapers.
They're going to have to just be more pithy and get to the point that readers just simply don't have the time to read the purple prose of reporters who consider themselves right-throwers, and they simply slow the story down too much.
What would I say to someone who was lusting for a journalistic career?
I don't know.
All I know is that I heard that someone was telling me, I went to a state college in Northridge, and I heard somebody told me that many of the journalism students out there hoped to get careers in journalism, and a lot of them didn't even subscribe to a newspaper.
A remarkable story of Woodward and Bernstein and how it all came down.
And there were constantly meetings in which they were trying to determine if a story that they were about to run would end up in some way causing the newspaper grief and financial judgments and whether something could be said legally.
Does an editor, as you were at the LA Times, spend a lot of time doing that kind of work?
Well, the editor at the Post during the course of that made some rather, if they portrayed it correctly, some rather chancy, out-on-a-limb kind of decisions.
Would you have done that?
I'm sure you asked yourself as you watched that movie.
Having done, what, the first 25 minutes or something with you in this interview, do you think the audience has even hint of where we're going with this interview?
Like so many of the others who have been claiming for many, many years they had been abductees and that I poo-pooed and that the mainstream press basically ignored.
Of these tables, beds, whatever they are, like almost examination tables, I guess, and stretched from wall to wall in all directions, maybe 10, 15 feet.
I guess there were hundreds, 10 to 15 feet between them in all directions.
Plus, I'm sure that the pressures at the Los Angeles Times would really prevent you from moving into or even being interested in that kind of material.
I had no interest in stories of alien abductions because I didn't believe them.
I didn't have any interest in extraterrestrials because I didn't think there was enough evidence to support the belief that they are here.
I was not a disbeliever in the possibility of extraterrestrial life because it's a big universe out there and I thought it would be actually quite surprising if there wasn't life out there.
I just never felt that there was enough evidence to support the belief that they were indeed here.
Okay, but Shirley, since your experience, I'm sure you picked up a few books and you've probably seen a photograph of the typical gray with a large oval black eyes.
especially during last year, I think, the 50th anniversary of Roswell, and then with the Millennium coming up.
I did start hanging around afterwards, going over to New Age sections of bookstores, which I've never even went into before, to see, well, I better get myself an education.
But there was so much material available, I had no idea where to go.
That's what I do, in fact, I draw stick figures, dumb looking things.
So you, but perhaps together with an artist, as the police would do, in a reconstruction, you could guide an artist through what this thing looked like.
I haven't engaged anybody to do so, but I suppose I could.
And I do realize that the description that I have differs.
There are some similarities, I think, between what the prevailing view is and what I witnessed.
But I've been, of course, been contacted by people, researchers who have been looking at this for a long time, and they wanted to know about whether they resembled Greys.
And I didn't know what Grays were, quite frankly.
And there are some deviations from what they describe and from what I witnessed myself.
Yeah, they renamed it the contact has begun and under that a subhead the true story of a journalist encounter with alien beings well you are a ufologist dream come true because like a policeman like a fireman like other trained observers particularly somebody with your extremely mainstream background you're just going to be a dream for any ufologist there are some pretty
Incredible abduction stories as you go back through the Travis Walton story, for example.
I interviewed Travis and his boss, which occurred down in Snowflake, Arizona.
And I think you may have seen the movie, or maybe you haven't.
It was called Fire in the Sky, and there was also a book by the same name.
Just before we proceed with your encounter, when all of this ended, you must have gone through some very, very, very serious internal dialogue with yourself about whether you were going to tell anybody about this period, or just keep your mouth shut and enjoy your retirement.
Well, I have a publisher as well, and I wrote a book, and my experience was publishers are really neat people, but they lay a lot of pressure on you to go out and do things like book signing, radio interviews like the one you're doing now, television.
It'll go on and on and on and on, and I take it that is what's occurring to you.
spent 30 years in the newspaper business as a reporter photographer editor and editorial writer he worked for 25 years as an editor on the Metro copy desk of the Los Angeles Times in the main downtown newsroom in L.A. As a matter of fact, he shared in a Pulitzer Prize as a member of the Metro team that won the award for the newspaper's coverage of the L.A. riots in 92.
He retired early, wisely, at the age of 58 when the L.A. Times was, what is it they call it?
Downsizing, and they offered him a deal he couldn't refuse, and so wisely he got out.
Now, Philip was not exactly what you would call a believer.
He was more or less a skeptic.
Didn't have time for or ever think about, Read about or even concern himself with alien abductions, UFOs, ghosts, new age, metaphysical stuff, crystals, none of that.
Didn't know about it, didn't want to know about it, didn't care, had very mainstream work to do until one day, June 11th, 1997, when suddenly at night, he jerked awake, his room filled with a blue, glowing light, which then manifested itself into a beam.
And the next thing he knew, he was standing in a ship, surrounded by alien beings that he is describing.
At this hour, Los Angeles joins, and I'm sure many of his former colleagues are going to be listening and rather surprised.
He has authored a book about it called The Contact Has Begun.
I don't think you've heard him in many places before, and we will continue with his story in a moment.
And in that are all these tables with what appear to be human beings on them, but the beings around you, in fact around each table, are not human at all, but rather frail.
Well, the reason I said all that is because I was going to suggest why you could have looked at the data on the Times and how many newspapers were stacked up to know exactly how long you had been gone.
And also because at first I could not distinguish between individual individuals because they all looked so much alike to me, except for the different sizes, and there was five, two to five, four.
So that the people I was dealing with, Gus and some others, I wouldn't make the mistake of addressing someone else when I'm thinking talking to him.
You know, if something is speaking to you, some being is speaking to you, and the lips are not moving, then there's a fair reason to think that either they're very bright parrots or they're telecommunicating with you telepathically.
The one person introduced himself to me as, and he gave me his name, and I wouldn't be able to, I could write it down phonetically, which I did in the book, but I don't know if I could pronounce it.
So he introduced himself to me as Gus, and I thought that I was there for an examination because from everything I have read or heard, that was the purpose of these abductions, for an examination lasting for a few minutes to several hours.
And so I thought I was there for an examination, and he says, no, no examination for you.
And so I was provided with that and a pair of slippers.
And we went to, we took a little trip, a little walk.
And we ended up in a boardroom.
And they told me that I was there for one.
It was like a typical American boardroom, a very futuristic one, but there was a nice big table and some very comfortable chairs around it.
And we all sat down, and I was told that, yes, you're aboard a spaceship, and yes, the stories are true, that we have been doing this for any number of years.
And in all that time, of the tens of thousands of contacts they have had, they have never intentionally or unintentionally harmed anyone.
And that I was, I said, well, why am I here?
That's one of my first questions.
And they said that they want me to participate in a very important project, an assignment of some sort.
And they said basically that the, and I said, well, what's that?
Basically, the time has come for contact and between our formal, official contact, not just these abductions.
And that they were now preparing to bring about this formal contact.
And they said they have been recently been taking very, very prominent world citizens and putting them through the same kind of indoctrination.
The other abductees before that, for the last 50 years, it was basically for, they were basically studying the human body cell by cell and learning everything about it.
Yes, I actually was because they knew something about me and I felt that, well, since they know something about me, there was certainly that possibility that I was targeted.
And then I found out that, yes, I had been targeted.
Well, then, this is a very, very important question, Philip.
It would be your view, then, that there are probably world leaders, people in very high places who have gone through what you have gone through, and they're keeping their mouths shut.
We're not talking about government leaders because since there's still a lot of preliminary work to be done in democratic societies, you know, people who are in power today are not going to be in power tomorrow, and they're not going to have that much influence.
And matter of fact, the people who are going to be in power when this occurs may not even have any name recognition today.
But people in commerce and manufacturing and medicine, science, prominent leaders in the field, or at least experts, if not world-recognized figures, at least experts.
All right, so I take it then that you went through this entire POEI program and you know, you have knowledge about why they have been visiting, why they have been testing, and why they are here and what they intend to do.
I have an overview of what they they gave me an overview and asked me to write a white paper so that the people of humans would have a general picture, at least, of what is occurring even as the pieces start falling into place.
You wouldn't be able to see it by just the small.
It's like a jigsaw puzzle.
You're not going to be able to see the total picture from one or two or three pieces.
But if you look at the cover of the box, you get kind of an idea of what you're building.
And he knows a lot more than we do right now about why they're here and what they intend, at least the overview.
And we'll get as much of that as we can.
And Philip Croft, once again, Philip, you must have said something like, you know, look, if I go down and I carry your message, they're going to think I'm out of my mind.
They're going to think I've lost my mind, that retirement has driven me right over the edge.
Or something, I don't know.
I don't know how you'd put it, but surely, kind of like in the movie, Oh God, you must have said, why me?
And how in the world am I going to get this message out?
It's been suggested by other researchers who have talked to me.
They talk about strange things that I knew nothing about since I'm not in the field.
They talk about memory screens and they're talking about some other esoteric things that I didn't know what they were talking about and they suggested various things.
Yeah, there was no attempt on their part to screen or cause you to forget.
I think that it might be suggested that in the early stages, the ones you talked about, where humans were simply abducted for medical purposes, you could understand why there would be a suggestion or a screen put there to cause the person to forget the details under those conditions.
But now, of course, you were abducted for a very different reason.
Okay, they said that there is an intergalactic federation of sovereign planets, is what they call it.
And they said that they monitor various civilizations that they come across.
And when a particular civilization is on the verge of being able to go into space, I mean really deep space, not just a few weather satellites, at that point they assess the civilization, or they've been studying it most likely for some time, and they've already determined whether or not that species is suitable for going into space, because not every species is allowed into space.
There are aggressive species that are warlike that are not allowed because there are no weapons allowed in space.
Space is a place of, the way they said it is a house of peace.
They have determined that mankind, humankind, they have been deemed worthy with some reservations of being allowed to continue and they have advanced to the point where we're ready to go into space.
So at that point, they determined that contact now is required.
Because no one really is allowed to go into space without this contact the way I understand it.
The first group consists of very influential people worldwide from every field of human endeavor.
And they share one very important attribute, and that's credibility, the capacity to influence not only their professional peers, but also vast segments of the population.
And these are the people who have been named, they've been given the title of ambassador.
Then there's a secondary group which I belong to, and they call us, they gave us the title of deputy envoy.
And basically, we're chosen for kind of more minor roles.
And in my case, I was chosen to write what they called a white paper to just kind of give a general overview of what the people can expect as the process of contact begins to take place and then does take place over the next 10 to 12 years.
Well, they hope that the people with the credibility will be able to influence large segments of the population and at the same time serve as moderating voices so as not to cause worldwide alarm.
And then these ambassadors have very important assignments to, as I say, influence their peers in science, say, this is going to happen.
And then also make contact with government leaders.
They have to be citizen statesmen, I guess, to be able to have that contact with government leaders.
Well, actually, the deputy envoys are not really going to play any part at all in, or very, very minor parts in trying to influence people.
In other words, I'm not trying to convince or persuade anybody.
That's not my job.
My job is simply to, they said, tell the story.
And the ambassadors are going to be the ones who are actually going to lay the groundwork.
And then they're given three years.
And then the proposals are going to be submitted to their chain of command.
And they have a formal chain of command in which the proposals go to the, first of all, to the POEI people.
And then from there, it goes to, there's another higher committee they call the ad hoc committee for coordination of earth contact, I believe it's called.
And each, and that would be for Earth, but each ship that's monitoring a planet would have a similar ad hoc committee for whatever their planet they're monitoring.
And then from there, it goes to, so, well, let me finish that.
It goes then to the, what do they call it, the space exploration operations center on each of the planets of the various species that are monitoring a certain planet.
In this case, the names of the species that's monitored this planet, they are called, I call them verdants.
I guess you could call them verdantes.
I don't know.
They said they are from a planet that would translate into English as verdant.
And I haven't looked it up in my dictionary recently, but I think verdant means lush and green or something like that.
So that's the translation.
And then there's a, the umbrella organization is the Intergalactic Federation of Sovereign Planets.
And then each of these proposals will be gone over line for line and word for word.
And then they'll iron out any difficulties in timing or things like that so that these people then can fulfill their assignments.
The deputy envoys, as I say, like myself, we have just certain skills that they want.
I'm not sure what those skills are.
In my case, it's just that they wanted someone to write this white paper.
And to me, a white paper smacks of very dry, formal type of things.
So I chose to just go ahead and write the book and tell the story the way it happened.
I was prepared to become the pariah, although at this point, I was prepared to pay the price, but I didn't realize exactly how much of a price it would be.
We are a planet that, though I must admit things are a little better presently, we nevertheless continue to have wars.
We have nuclear weapons mounted atop ICBMs that reach across continents around the world.
Still have the ability to blow ourselves to smithereens, worried about biological poisoning and attacks.
And as a matter of fact, there's a story this morning about biological, the worry about biological warfare from Iraq.
As a matter of fact, it's the top story.
It says, Britain on alert for anthrax attack.
Now, I guess we have our good points, human beings, but you said one of the goalposts was whether people were ready to enter this great galactic peaceful federation.
They have never seen pure evil existing in a species side by side with people like Mother Teresa.
And so when they saw this gentler side, they saw the fine works of art and the music and the literature and the wonderful architecture, they knew that there was a nobility about the species that they felt was worth salvaging and redeeming.
But this is the area of the human nature that they hope to redeem While eliminating that other darker side of the human nature.
And they themselves do not interfere in the internal affairs of any planet.
I never, my wife's a bus Star Trek fan and my daughter.
I've seen a few of them, but I don't know.
Anyway, so my question was, well, then you're going to take care of these people?
And they said, no, absolutely not.
That's your job.
But when they see the possibility when the good people of the world, and they estimate that at 80%, they figure all the mischief in the world, the crime, the mischief, the international terrorists is roughly, well, it's actually a pretty large percentage, about 20%, which is a lot of people.
And there were cases, I was told, where a warlike species had developed, the intelligence had evolved to the point where they could actually get into space.
And they simply use their intelligence to simply isolate that species until it evolves to the point where it is ready to get along with its neighbors.
You know, there was really a strange story not long ago out of NASA, a memo, which said that all manned missions going off-planet to the moon, Mars, or anywhere else had been canceled.
I mean, that was an actual memo from NASA, and a great human cry went up, and the next day, Daniel Golden, the director of NASA, changed that.
But for that day, you know, I was sitting here thinking, have we been told by somebody to stay home?
When we come back, we will indeed open the lines shortly and let people ask questions.
What an incredible story.
Nice to know that some humans, some of them, have a softer side.
Incredible story.
And I'm indeed honored to have you on the program and have you laying the story out for us this morning.
I really am.
I've got some, actually a million faxes, but I'm going to lay a couple of questions on you and then turn you over to the audience.
How's that?
Okay.
K. Art.
Phillips stated that he never read anything on UFOs and so forth because he had no interest in the subject and still hasn't read much because there is so much out there and he doesn't know who's truthful or not.
Now, he mentions that when he was standing next to the table talking to the alien, he states that from all he read and had heard, he assumed he was there to be examined.
from what I have read in the mainstream press I have I have read only about this in the mainstream press and seen it on TV I have not read anything in Anything that the general population knew through the mainstream press, that's what I knew.
I think about any walking American who's not had his head in the sand knows about abductions and knows the general tenor is that you are abducted and physically examined or treated in some manner.
How do you know that everything they told you about why they're giving you this assignment and what they have in mind for us and what they have determined about us?
but I mean, aside from that, I'm asking about your own.
Here you are, a newspaper editor.
And surely, as you listened to them, as you dialogued with them, as you got this indoctrination, you called it, you were judging their credibility as you went along.
They eat or consume one meal every 36 earth hours.
I haven't figured out how many hours that is for them.
But they did provide me with a large variety of foods that I was familiar with, very delicious foods.
And I found out that actually this was, I'm not much of a meat eater, so I turned down their sausages and their ham and stuff like that, and I stuck to the other things.
But then I found out that it's all made from a plant material that is hydroponically grown and processed, and that they themselves don't chew the stud like a cow chews its stuff like a cow chews its cud.
They also make vast varieties, even more varieties than we have, to satisfy a very sophisticated palate.
But they are vegetarians.
They don't eat animals, of course.
They don't kill other animals.
It's beyond their capacity, I think, to kill sentient beings.
Actually, I spent quite a bit of time in the book discussing the delightful food.
In fact, I made a joke one time.
I said, where do you guys get this stuff?
Is there a supermarket in the neighborhood that I don't know about?
So I spent a little bit of time on plant material that is hydroponically grown and processed and that they themselves don't chew the stud like a cow chew this stuff like a cow chews its cud,
but they also make vast varieties, even more varieties than we have, to satisfy a very sophisticated palate.
But they are vegetarians.
They don't eat animals, of course.
They don't kill other animals.
It's beyond their capacity, I think, to kill sentient beings.
That's actually, I spent quite a bit of time in the book discussing the delightful food.
In fact, I made a joke one time.
I said, where do you guys get this stuff?
Is there a supermarket in the neighborhood that I don't know about?
So I spent a little bit of time on the food.
But I never did see them eat, but they kept me supplied with as much as I wanted.
And then when I found out that the meat was not really meat, but it was pet material and the desserts were not, I passed on them because, you know, I'm idle.
I don't burn up many chick cow weighs, so I have to watch a big waistline.
And they said that I could eat as much as my appetite allowed, and my metabolism would remain the same, and my body mass would remain the same.
Well, they can order it through the publisher itself, Hay House, by calling the 800 number, 654-5126, or through the internet, Hayhouse, www.hayhouse.com.
It's also, I know it's in B. Dalton, I know it's in Barnes Noble, it's in the large New Age bookstores.
And I don't, that's the only ones that I know about.
There are some that I'll check some bookstores, but smaller ones that don't carry it.
I didn't even read the book after I got it because I read it so many times on proof and everything else.
And I was reading it recently, and I discovered an error in there that I'm going to catch on that I'm going to fix on the next printing, in which I caught a minor error.
I was talking about the radius of the universe at 15 billion light years, and I think that's really the I refer to it as the diameter, and the diameter is actually, I think, twice that, which is about 30 billion light years.
Either the environment, why, I mean, if they're worried about our environmental crisis and if they're going to help, and also about why are they doing the animal mutilation?
A lot of people, Philip, think that animal abductions and mutilations are simply a way to test the environment.
In other words, to see what's going on in the food chain, whether it's affecting genetics and so forth and so on, without doing these type of invasive experiments on human beings.
This is Coast to Coast, A.M. Philip, you remind me of somebody else I had the honor to interview, Colonel Corso.
And I don't know whether you've heard of Colonel Corso or not, but he is a man who was in the military, is retired, and told a very detailed story about the retrieval of alien artifacts from Roswell, New Mexico, along with bodies.
And his job, he worked in the Pentagon, was to integrate this alien technology slowly and carefully into private industry.
He told a remarkable story.
He was a remarkably credible person just like yourself.
And one almost has to wonder if he was not on a similar mission.
It's a pretty good question based on what you've told me about why they brought people of your stature.
There are going to be those out there who are going to say, look, yeah, here's a guy, really credible, 30 years in the newspaper business, one of the biggest papers in the country, editor.
When you were sent back, just before you were sent back, I bet you I would have had a question, particularly after three days to think about it.
Look, you want me to go and write this white paper or this story.
You want me to tell people what you have said.
Give me something to carry back.
Give me some kind of proof, you know, some artifact, some anything to help me sell to the people, and I don't mean by selling a book, but, you know, the story, to help validate the story.
My question to Philip is, during your time with them, I have two questions exactly.
Did they ever mention anything about a dimensional shift or a consciousness shift since they believe or they can prove the soul, you know, we've heard about this veil over our memory?
So did they mention anything to you about a dimensional shift for humans or anything like that?
I was wondering if they had revealed that some of our current technology came from them and has been rationed out to us as they feel we're ready for it.
According to their timetable, there's going to be a summit conference first.
And the ambassadors will have informed government leaders, and government leaders will then converge on this spot for a period of a week or so to get acquainted and things like that.
And then the representatives will stay behind, the representatives of the government leaders, or the government leaders go back to their capitals, and the representatives will stay behind, and they will hammer out the details of the formal entry into the Federation.
You would start with people like yourself and ambassadors, and there would eventually be a summit meeting, and then I guess the information would filter finally down to the people.
The question, of course, is what governments will do.
Well, if character counts and the people who have power are not going to want to give it up, then the first to be vaporized would be President Clinton.
All I know is that they are not going to weed out the evil people of the earth.
The good people of the earth are going to have an opportunity to do that themselves so that the good people of the earth can go into space because certainly the darker elements of the species are not going to be allowed.
They are not going to prevent it.
It's the people up earth who are going to have to prevent it.
If they don't prevent it, then it's going to affect the whole species, the whole population.
I know my account also differs from the stories of others who have different beliefs and experiences, and I'm just reporting what I experienced and what I was told, and that's all I know.
I personally did not see any children, but there were well over 32,000 people aboard, and I came in contact with a handful.
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Second question, and I also have a comment or question for you, Art.
Second question, Philip.
What do they describe as the undesirables, you mentioned a second ago, about certain power bases around the globe, specifically a couple names that I've mentioned to Art before on a previous call?