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March 24, 1998 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Dannion Brinkley - Egypt

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here he is, author of Saved by the Light, Embraced by the Light, a man who has had three near-death experiences, one of which I got to witness myself.
		Here is Daniel Brinkley.
		Daniel, welcome.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
		Welcome.
		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's good to hear you again.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		That's good to hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are somewhere back east, Maryland?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am in Washington, D.C. Washington, D.C. Oh, you're in the center of power, huh?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I believe that where you are is the center of power, but I come to the National Institute for Health for about seven years at the Office of Alternative Medicine AMPEC board meetings.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And then I study legislature that deals with veterans administrations and managed care systems and things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how I am about that kind of stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
		I certainly do.
		You just got back from...
		I got a message from you saying that you had gone to Egypt, which I knew you were going to do, but that you also went to Syria.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And where else?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, to the Iraqi border, near the Iraqi border, and illegally into Lebanon.
		But I had to go and look for myself.
		You know, after I went through that near-death, the last near-death experience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You snuck into Lebanon?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess I do.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I have to know, you know, after this last near-death experience, Art, and most people know, I struck by lightning, and then I had to have open heart surgery, and then I had to have brain surgery, and thank you and Ramona for being there through that.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		That helped me a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We talked earlier today briefly that you took a slide, a photograph of Ramona when she was giving you aromatherapy.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And showed that at the National Institutes of Health?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've shown it in programs that I'm doing to help develop the fact that alternative and compatible medicines really do work.
unidentified		And Ramona's aromatherapy really helped me.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And I'm talking about that because that's part of what I'm doing in the CIA, which is compassionate action, which is the foundation I have for hospice work and dealing with how the Veterans Administration, you know, what everybody should take a really good look at is the health care issues that are about and how the Congress is dealing with it.
		One of the really most important things that is coming up is the Veterans Administration's National Strategy Summit for improving care at the end of life.
		I found out I'm really proud of what the VA is attempting to do to help veterans and what they're doing.
		And I think that things like therapeutics that are non-evasive, what we call alternative, what the modern science calls alternative, which are really complementary medicines, can really work and help the quality of care and palliative care.
		Everybody knows I'm, I think they do.
		I'm a hospice volunteer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And what I try to do is look at the best innovative ways to help veterans and the VA in long-term end-of-time care and help families deal with closure and those kinds of issues.
		And for the first time, I really feel proud of the VA.
		They are reaching out to every method, every way that they can find to improve the quality and improve the cost-effectiveness of the VAs.
		And I'm not saying it's time that should happen, but sitting here and watching it and watching the policy and looking at the directives and the mandate, these people are really trying and they need our support in doing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were just in Egypt, and there's been a new discovery in Egypt, hasn't there?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		You know, Hart, when we started talking about this so long ago and looking at it together with what was going on in the arena, I never thought that by the time we do this cruise and how we define and look at what's going on, the things that would be happening.
		It's amazing.
		We're living in times of such discovery and such re-evaluation of so many things.
		But when I was in Egypt, I have to go and find out.
		And they had just finished the celebration of the complete restoration of the things.
		And being there at that time, when the whole world looks at Egypt, in a small, obscure Egyptian paper was a discovery of a tomb or a monument in a place called Tuscia.
		Where is that?
		It's in the southwest part of the desert, about 450 miles southwest of Cairo.
		And what they're doing is, because of Lake Nasser, they're expanding the southwest desert to make it more fertile by digging trenches and laying irrigation systems to irrigate the desert.
		So they're digging there to lay out a set of pipes.
		And they discover this monument that, without question, because of the layers of the mud and what they're looking at and how they're looking at it, this thing was over 10,000 years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-oh.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And it kind of messes up Egyptology, doesn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, yes, it certainly does.
		Because, as you well know, there are many who have suggested that the Sphinx and the pyramids are a lot older than the Egyptians would have them be.
		Now, what this might suggest or threaten is the whole concept that Egyptians built pyramids.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can tell you this, it definitely will threaten when they said they built them.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You know, I watched this, like the Abydos.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, let's get this clear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They claim to have built pyramids how long ago?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, Abydos is like the oldest place that they knew to think about where pyramids began to be built.
		And they just updated it.
		I mean, the updates now from the German scientists who are working there and excavating this place now make it, it was like 4,000 BC, and they've added at least 150 years to it conservative, and it could be 1,000 years.
		But what they're discovering is that this temple Is built on top of another one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-oh.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		So as they keep excavating around it, they keep discovering this stuff.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And then all of a sudden, while a bunch of guys were digging in the desert, taking these tunnels, they find monuments and temples.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, it's going to be a rocky voyage.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I think it's going to be exciting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, I understand that two of our friends who are going to be on that voyage are passing around petitions to end the secrecy in Egypt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you know that?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		No, but, you know, I don't think that anything will harm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bavala and Hentuck?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, I didn't hear that, but...
		There's a lot of why we want to do the cruises and why we want to do the debates.
		I mean, there's two definitive places, the cruise that's in May, and then next year the conference in Egypt.
		Because thanks to your help, I mean, and people out there listening who really want to know the answers, we have two definitive times when this information will be presented and the debates will be laid forth and people will hear it for themselves as all these factions and parties come together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've got something here from the Guardian Spotlight, an interview with Dr. Zahi Awass.
		And let me read.
		Guardian, I am sure that you're aware that Robert Baval and Graham Hancock are publicly saying negative things about you and others who oversee the treasures of ancient Egypt.
		Dr. Hawass.
		Yes.
		It is unfortunate the things they are saying.
		For example, Hancock and Baval are asking people to sign petitions to stop secretive work at Giza.
		But there is no secret work at Giza.
		And he goes on, but he absolutely denies there's any secret work going on.
		Now, I know you walk a tightrope because you're a very good friend of Dr. Hawass's.
		Danion, do you think there is any secret work going on at Giza?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, me too.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I don't have any doubt about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm a little worried about this cruise.
		I mean, I could see that.
		It would be wonderful.
		I know, but I see a very, very direct confrontation building here.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, a good confrontation moderated by you, Art, are always good because there has to be a cleansing of the air and to run it, and we do it two parts.
		You know, I'm very proud to be a part of this and what Visions are doing and to set up two programs.
		This first one to lay the groundwork and to watch it and to fight it out.
		And then a major conference next year as we prepare for the millennium in Cairo, where once and for all, in a time pattern where the Casey predictions, which talk about discovery of this chamber.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, here we go again.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, in 1998 and 1999, we sit right where we can watch it.
		With the discoveries, here's something that's even just as important, Art.
		Think about the fact that they had laborers digging in the desert 450 miles southwest of Cairo that no one's been there because it's so dry until Lake Nasser was made in 1968,
		and they're now irrigating it in 1998, and they find temples that they know, because some of the writings, it's over 10,000 years old that predate everything that they find at Abydos, which is the oldest possible place in the old kingdom of Egypt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here you are talking about something that's 10,000 years old, minimum, with something else below it.
		Now, this would literally shatter and in fact bring up questions about whether the Egyptians, in fact, did build the pyramids.
		it would really seriously threaten all of Egyptian culture and history and understanding of themselves.
		Well, that too, that's true.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You know, I can include the whole world because as I watch this, the same way you watch it, and the same way so many other people out there who listen to this show are looking, I get the opportunity that I can go literally any place I want to go there because I care about the preservation of a certain perspective of the culture of Egypt and the preservation of how it's done.
		And I look at, they have the procedures that they use.
		Some are bureaucratic handicaps, but others are really surrounding protection.
		But I look at the work of Graham and I look at the work of Robert and John Anthony West, and I look at this work and I walk the ground.
		I go over there and I can feel that there is something happening.
		And a lot of things that I don't really understand about myself aren't things that I sense and feel since I've been through these near-death experiences and the things that go on that literally like I'm walking through different levels of time and the things that I sense, I know something's happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I had occasion recently to interview Edgar Casey's son, who is now in his 80s, Daniel.
		Do you think that Mr. Casey's predictions with regard to the Hall of Records below the Sphinx will come down about as scheduled?
		And we're coming up on it, of course.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		It's getting pretty amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's getting hard to ignore.
		I mean, the synchronicity is getting to be a bit much for me.
		Absolutely.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And watching it from wandering over there for three weeks, I spent three weeks there looking.
		I was writing a chapter for this new book called If It's True, What Shall We Do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing on your book, by the way?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing pretty good.
		I mean, it'll, you know, I struggle along, but the chapter is called The Road to Damascus, and it's like going back, walking through the story of Paul of Tarsus, and to go back to Damascus and to really look at that, where our religious culture and perspectives and so much of what we appear to understand from the world, knowing that they say Damascus is the oldest city in the world.
		So I wanted to go there and think about this.
		I'm walking through Damascus, the oldest city in the world, and I come into a place that's a mosque in the middle of the old section of Damascus.
		I walk inside, and I see this place right in the center of it.
		And I walk up to it, and I notice that it's so beautifully done, because the mosques of that period are beautiful.
		And I start looking at this, and these people, these Islamic people, and Muslim people, and a lot of other people, are praying or being close to this enclosure.
unidentified		And I stopped and I said, what is this?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And the guy said, this is the remains of John the Baptist, the Saint John, the guy who baptized Christ.
		And this is the remains in this.
		And that this has been a place that has powers to Christ and that it's been used both as a church and a mosque for centuries.
		And it's always been there as a place of the resting place of John the Baptist.
		And, you know, that kind of stuff takes me aback in a spiritual sense of looking at our history.
		And here in the middle of a mosque is St. John the Baptist and on our road to Damascus.
		And looking at that stuff and seeing Syria and the oldest city in the world, and also being perceptive.
		Now, there's things I pick up about stuff that I don't really understand how I do it, but I still do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But this time is happening.
		We are living in the most wondrous time of discovery that we'll ever get a chance to live in.
		And what we are a part of, and I know this from spending that time in years doing this, but after this last experience, I pick up even more things, and in different levels of degree, we are in this time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, let me tell you something, Daniel.
		It's just my opinion.
		But I know Zahi.
		You know Zahi.
		It's my opinion that if Zahi Awass stumbled into information indicating that the artifacts there were so old they could not have been built by the Egyptians or anything like what he imagines occurred, he could not admit and digest that information.
		He would find a way to either hide it or reject it.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I look at it like this.
		The conservative nature of the study of Egyptology and archaeology, both by every country, the American Egyptologist, German, French, who have done most of this research, you know, is that there is a collective consciousness that deals with that, just like a lot of our own bureaucracies.
		And I'm not going to defend Zahi in a lot of stuff, but I'm going to defend him in a lot of stuff, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's fine.
		You know the way he is with respect to the way all of them are.
		Yes.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Like so many other forms of what exists or what is described from medicine, scientists, Zahi is what you would call a self-assured man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he would not digest that information very well at all, and I don't think that he would rush to make it public.
		Moreover, you do agree that he is doing some secret digs over there.
		We all know he is.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you look at it like this.
		There's stuff going on that we don't know about because yet they hadn't quite understood what they were discovering.
		Like, they discovered a brand new tomb while people were walking around on the plateau looking at the Sphinx.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold that thought for a moment because I've got to get something on the air.
		Daniel Brinkley is my guest, a brand new tomb.
		Yes, I've heard something about that.
		Very quickly, there is a bulletin for all areas of the Pacific basin except California, Oregon, Washington, British Columbia, and Alaska.
		A tsunami watch is in effect.
		Okay, for New Zealand, New Caledonia, Cook Islands, American Samoa, Fiji, Western Samoa, French Polynesia, other areas of the Pacific as well.
		An earthquake preliminary magnitude 8.1 occurred 25th, 25th March, 0313 Universal Time, exactly where it was suggested that it occurred.
		And so Jim Birkland is correct.
		We have had the, well, it's been 18 months since we've had anything of this size, an 8.1 earthquake.
		And that is a tsunami watch, not a warning.
		I'm Art Bell from The High Desert.
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		Now, here again is Arts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		What's the pain?
		All right.
		Usually when Daniel is here, I hog his time, and I'm going to do that through the top of the hour.
		But next hour, I am going to allow you to ask Daniel questions now.
		There was a new tomb uncovered, Daniel?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, right there.
		So what I'm trying to get across is this.
		There is so much discovery coming now, as opposed to over the last 20 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		That every day something amazing is happening.
		When you just discover irrigation, digging irrigations and flooding the lower Nile, you would discover 10,000-year-old places, then it's going to really modernize how we look at it.
		This stuff is all happening now, Art.
		What we have to do, and what the cruises and this big conference about next year, is to put definitive people in place so that those who are looking at these issues can continue to look at them, watch them unfold, and be able to put out honest, pure, good information for all the rest of us to hear.
		Because just me wandering for three weeks there and knowing that as these discoveries come about and seeing these things, we also have to be careful of the fact that what's going on in the terrorist side of it and what wants us to stop,
		what wants to stop us from knowing about this information and not to place it all on just Egypt and Egyptologists and Zahi, but on whole other systems that are in place that once we know where we came from, say if this chamber's discovered or that Robert and Graham and John Anthony are right about that this thing is 10 to 15 to 20,000 years old, who are we then?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that shatters everything.
		Let me tell you, I had Dr. Tom Van Flandren on the show the other night, about a week ago, I think it was, Stan.
		And he's an astronomer and a very prestigious astronomer.
		And it is his view, he's beginning to warn people.
		As you know, we're about to take high-res photos of Mars, of the Sidonia region, if we get lucky.
		And he's starting to warn people that it is his firm belief that the objects on Mars, the face and all the other things, are not natural.
		And when we discover they are not natural, it's going to be a really, really big shock to the system.
		In other words, things may not be as we thought they were.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		We know they're not.
		We not only, but you know what, Art, what is so great about the work that you do and the people who listen is that you get the information out of stuff that inwardly we know, and we hear people telling us things.
		They're talking at us instead of to us.
		And we know that the world as we have been told is not really real.
		I know it from three near-death experiences.
		And by coming perceptive and walking on the ground and feeling the things, I know that discovery is coming.
		I mean, I know it, and I watch those things just like you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brought some one ton or more limestone rock.
		And he said, here, art is how the pyramids were built.
		And he showed this guy, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, crack, crack, crack, crack.
		And before you know it, this giant limestone cracks precisely in half and each side falls on the ground.
		And you go, oh, my God.
		But then, but then, and so then he stands there and says, and this art is how we Egyptians built the pyramid.
		I mean, with all the, you know how Zahi is, with all the pride and the pomposity he's got, he's an amazing man.
		I'm telling you, Daniel, this is not a man who could face the prospect that all he knows is wrong.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, that can be said about a lot of us, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You know, that can be said about a lot of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know about the Brookings report, right?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
		It was a report done to the government that suggested if alien contact was made, or if we were to discern something about our background, like you and I are talking about right now, it could not be released.
		The social disruption, the paradigms of science that would fall would be so great that the information would have to be withheld.
		That was a report done for the government by the Brookings Institute.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can accept that someone thinks that, okay, but I don't buy it.
		48 years old, like a lot of people in this age group, and we can take anything.
		We just want to know the truth.
		And I believe that the opportunity of what's happened in Egypt and the Middle East, we will either seize the day, I don't have to go to Mars to discover, if these chambers are there, and the belief that how they built the pyramids is one thing, but what the pyramids, a lot of them are built on, these cult temples as they call them, are so old that they are 10,000 to 20,000 years older than we've ever thought that they could be, or at least 7,000 years older.
		And even Egyptologists are admitting to 150 to 200 to 300 years older than their estimates because of the writings that they're discovering, and that there are writings now on monuments that are being discovered that no one's been there for 10,000 years, digging holes to where they irrigation.
		Then we're in a place where we have a chance to watch it, to be observant of it, to be a part of this unfoldment.
		I want to know, because I know that you don't die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the Bible, Daniel?
		The Bible suggests to those who read it verbatim that the earth is 6,000 years old.
		There was a Garden of Eden.
		We were tossed out of the Garden of Eden for sin, the apple and the whole thing.
		There is a very specific paradigm there that is not a trivial one.
		And that group would not accept this kind of news well.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can understand that, too, and I agree.
		I mean, I agree with it.
		But the Earth is older than 6,000 years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You would appear so.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		We've got buildings that you can carbon date that age.
		And I think that maybe art, because I've been there.
		You know, I've been in Israel and Jordan and all over the Middle East looking to try to understand this stuff.
		As I hunt myself, like so many of us do.
		I had to put into perspective something of, with a little more, something that was demanding that I understood it, because after I had the near-death experiences, but we know that there are stories being told that have both symbolic appearance that some of us take literally literal, And then things that are not quite as literal as they're said to be.
		We're discovering these things every day.
		But I can't help what people can't accept because it doesn't matter.
		If it's true, we have to face it.
		Why write books?
		If it's true, what shall we do?
		And I look at a lot of these issues because I've been forced to.
		And what I want to do is to inform people who are just like me at this age group in this time period.
		And I see such amazing stuff.
		And I'm thankful for that.
		But we want to know.
		And we're going to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you honestly think, for example, just let me toss this in.
		As you know, they still have not found the missing link.
		And that is a big problem for evolution.
		Big problem.
		Now, it may be that at some point in our development, or lack of it, that somebody or something came along and gave us a little push, a little genetic push.
		But that would mean that our creators, so to speak, were not God, but may have been from elsewhere altogether.
		I mean, any number of possibilities exist, and that is one of them, and that would upset a whole lot of people.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, then they'll just have to deal with it.
		That's all I could tell them.
		You know, they're going to have to deal with it.
		I mean, we are entering an age where there is no question art, that what we've been told heretofore just won't cut the mustard.
		And that there are things that are yet to be discovered.
		And I'm not blaming anybody for saying it and describing it the way that they have heretofore, from Egyptology to space exploration to government conspiracies to all that stuff.
		But I know this.
		A time is coming over the next six or eight years where our own ability to understand and perceive the truth and the real things are going to happen anyway.
		This is going to happen no matter what, and I'm assured of it.
		And I've watched these predictions, and I've watched the things that's happened to me, and the things, the timeline that I saw up to 204, and I get a chance to live in them.
		And I know that it's going to happen.
		So regardless of what anybody really thinks, we have to open ourselves up and prepare.
		Like those people with this earthquake, we have to open ourselves up and prepare for a tidal wave of information and understanding about ourselves and who we are and where we can go no matter.
		A lot of people say the near-death experience, they're still debating on whether it really exists.
		And yet there's 15 million people who've had it, who've gone out and begun to change their whole lives.
		And I wanted to correct something.
		I didn't write Embrace by the Light.
unidentified		Betty Eady did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wrote it, Peace in the Light.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I like being in the company of Betty Eady.
unidentified		She's a great person.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And there are people still arguing that.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But there's those of us who've moved on past it and are trying to do with it like my hospice work and the hospice work of everybody in the CIA and commitment to veterans and commitment to the elderly and caring about the quality of that, using what happened in this event that's happened to me three times and really applying it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know why I put that down?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because you and I were talking about Betty Eady earlier today.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she's wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's why.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's easy because there are a lot of people who see us as in the forefront of this and really pushing what we think and really trying to help people understand it so that they can better care about the quality of life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel, you know, there are scientists now that are claiming that they can simulate the near-death experience.
		They can wire you up with electrodes.
		They can stimulate a certain place in your brain.
		And people will come back and report an NDE.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have an answer for that, Art.
		I've had three near-death experiences.
		But in the course of this last one, when you were there with me, remember, I came through the near-death experience doing the surgery.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And a day later, I had a third subdural hematoma blow in my frontal lobe.
		And then I had a massive seizure.
		And heretofore, when I heard scientists and doctors in medicine say that, no, it's nothing but a temporal lobe seizure from oxygen brain deprivation, which causes endorphin releases and peptide bonds breaking down in the brain and neurotransmitters burning out.
		There's life snuffs out.
		Well, I'm not so mad at them as I used to be because I finally had one of these seizures.
		I had enough near-death experiences.
		I finally had a seizure.
		And it was like three days after I had had the near-death experience for the third time.
		One day after I had another subdual hematoma blow in my frontal lobe with more pain than anybody can endure.
		And then this seizure.
		Well, if I had never had the experience and I've had the seizure, I would be inclined to take into consideration, whereas I've never done it before, doctor's explanations.
		You do see what appears to be a tunnel.
		I mean, in the light, the sparking of this seizure, you do have what appears to be a life of view.
		It's like you, somehow the mind, the brain is protecting itself, and you have these things, a lot of things that people describe in their death experiences.
		But I can tell the whole world and anybody that they're two completely separate things because I've had them all and I've paid dearly for them.
		So it's okay that they say that.
		I don't think they're doing a bad job.
		Whereas before, if you ever heard me say anything about that, I would jump them in a minute.
		But they're doing a decent job, Art.
		I have to give ground.
		You know, I study medicine.
		I look at health care because I have to stay alive myself.
		And I find so many people in the work of hospice and what we're doing in Compassionate Action that are there too.
		And they're depending on us to know the answers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, I would be neglectful to not ask you because everybody, you know, I get a thousand Messages a week.
		How is Daniel doing?
		How is Daniel doing?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Up and down.
		I'm still dealing with trying to stabilize my blood.
		And I have really good doctors.
		You know, they're good doctors.
		But I have a lot of people who are also healers around me.
		But I'm having problems.
		I mean, I'm developing another one of those hematomas, and I have problems.
		But no more than most anybody else in this condition.
		And they're stabilizing, and they're working at it.
		I'm taking care of myself the best I know how.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it strikes me that somebody in your condition is ill-advised to be sneaking into Lebanon.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I knew not to tell you that, Art, but I have to see.
		I wanted to see.
		I am afraid because of what I saw in my early visions, which I wrote about in SAVED, that I said in 1997 there would be a terrorist act that would create the collapse of Egypt and that the fundamentalist nature would take over and block us.
		Well, in November, and I said that, I wrote that book in 93, but I've been saying this stuff for 20 years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Look at Luxor.
		Look at what occurred in Luxor.
		Look at what it's done.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Look at what it occurred, and look what it did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know that I understand they're down 50 to 60 percent in tourism, and that's a catastrophe.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		60 percent of the monies.
		You're talking about a country that is, because of people not going there, that are dangerously in a place where the economic situation of the loss of those that they call tourists, which I think are called travelers, people who go to see for themselves, because I go there myself.
		I just left there.
		I just left there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was it empty?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		It was empty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was empty.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		No one was there, and we have to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The last time Boris Saeed came back, which was not long ago, he said, you have never seen so many men with so many guns.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that what, you know, I'm going to support President Mubarak.
		I think when he fired and when he saw this and the things that happened, he has taken to create security.
		I am not going to let any fundamentalist or terrorist of any kind stop me from being able to see what will change my life and the lives of the people that I know in a historical time and event with these discoveries.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, earlier today, you told me this paradigm-shattering discovery occurred right in the middle of fundamentalist geography.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that true?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, if you come right now, this place in Tushka, if you just come a few miles toward the Nile, you will be right in that hotbed, you know, that place where so much of that goes on.
		Like every, like, you know, we have those hotbeds ourselves.
		Yes, that's where it's occurring.
		So why it's so important that we fully look at it, we fully accept that impact, and that we move on and know that it's safe in Egypt.
		I just walk the streets and we're feeding donkeys.
		You know, I buy a taxi load of hay and I go around and I feed all the animals because it's, well, you know, you give back and those beasts of burden deserve it.
		And it's hard times over there.
		It's really hard times.
		And we have to help preserve it and protect it.
		And we have to also stand up that we're not afraid.
		I'm not going to listen to what people are trying to say about these countries and the instability factor.
		In Syria right now, in Damascus, a woman can walk down the street at 3 o'clock in the morning and she's safe.
		And I've watched and I've seen it.
		And I'm not going to let these historical things that are coming to...
		Well, they would hang them if they raped them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you are.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Right there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I mean.
		But what does that say?
		Does that say that that is a very civilized society or a very barbaric society?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		This is, you know, Han Robbie's code of laws that created the way, the whole system that created our torts and our systems, you know, now, I'm not going to pass judgment on that.
		I just know that whatever the way that they're doing it, Damascus is a clean city and people are safe.
		And you look at it, they're a little more socialist than I have a tendency to accept him in my way, but they care.
		And the Syrian people and the Lebanese people and even the Iraqi people, I'm not going to eliminate them.
		Now, this Saddam business, like you said, there was a whole lot of stuff going on there that are governments and things that when you take a good look at it, you realize we're all hiding something.
		All the Western countries and Iraqi people, the Iraqi government is hiding something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, then they're hiding what we gave them.
		You got it.
		Yeah, I know.
		Daniel, hold on.
		We're at the top of the hour, as I promised.
		When we come back, I'm going to open the phone lines, and you can ask Daniel anything you like.
		Daniel Brinkley is my guest.
		I'm Art Bell from the High Desert.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast AM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The talk station, AM 1500 KSTP.
unidentified		Amen.
		Amen.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		In this hour, I'm going to turn Daniel Brinkley over to you.
		So if you have a question for Daniel, come now, folks.
		We'll get him back on the air in a moment.
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		All right, now, back to Daniel Brinkley in Washington, D.C., of all places.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Art, could I get a couple of out before we start taking questions?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let them fly.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Okay, number one, there are still 36 of you out there who didn't get your books.
		You know, that still worries me, Art.
		Out of those thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of books, there's still 36 people out there that didn't get their books.
		So if you didn't, please write me.
		You know, you have Post Office Box 1919, Aiken, South Carolina.
		I think you put that up for me before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I did.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And if someone is interested in compassionate action, which is the foundation that a group of us started about hospice work and where we go and what I'm doing, it's Post Office Box 84013, Los Angeles, California, 90073.
		You know, and I will take letters, mail, put you on the mailing list.
		I'll take donations.
		I'll take anything that I can get that helps further the cause of quality palliative care in nursing homes, hospitals, and in the VA.
		And I thank you very much for letting me timely report on things that I see and things that are going on in the world as I look at it and be able to give it to your people out in coast to coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		To the phones we go.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daniel and Brinkley.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		Oh, where am I?
		This is Dave.
		I'm calling from northeastern Kansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're fine in northeastern Kansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Dave, go ahead.
unidentified		And I'm glad to hear that you're in better shape, Daniel.
unidentified		Thanks a lot.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But thanks to people like you who thought about me during all of that.
unidentified		Well, I'm a reader and have been a monk in the Orthodox Church.
		And I'm not here to throw any dirt on the new discoveries.
		Because I just wanted to ask, with all the different things we found of different ages and different what could be considered creations of man, in effect, how can this possibly lessen the ability of God?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, it increases it.
unidentified		That's what I thought.
		I mean, yeah, God does what he wills, and you're living proof of that.
		I've had things happen to me where I should be dead.
		And that's not to go in at this time.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		The fact that we're spiritual, Dave, the spiritual nature of us, I think that these discoveries only take the timeline that's been given us and expand it for us to search our spirituality.
		It's what I'm doing.
		And I know there's a lot of me's out there because they listen to this show and they buy books and they explore the spirituality with groups.
		Tonight I was in Washington, D.C. with a group of people who work in and around the government and who know all the horrid stuff about bureaucracies.
		And they're called the Kindred Spirits.
		And they get together and have a prayer, thought, and exploration of mystical and spiritual things.
		And I went to it, and it was delightful to hear a combination of people who work really hard every day.
		And there's a lot of great people in the United States government, and it's the greatest country in the world.
		And then there's a few bad eggs that control it the way they want.
		And, you know, we study that.
		But I think that what this is all going to do is allow us to break free from the control mechanisms that we've been taught to live under and realize more spiritual depth and range of who we are in the spiritual nature, which helps us re-identify ourselves to God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think, Daniel, there is a spiritual renaissance underway.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		No question, Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do believe that, but there is also equal and opposite pressures, and it's going to come to something or another eventually.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, you write about it in, you know, anyone who reads The Quickening, anyone who reads Art Bell's book, which is, I think, terrific, it gives you a timeline and the aspects to look at and what's going to happen.
		And I think you've done a really good job in that book, Art.
		But I'm like, Dave, I don't think that they're going to stop us from finding our mystical and spiritual selves.
		And I don't think that we're going to dwell on one specific event or thing.
		We're going to look at it collectively.
		But what's so fun is they can't stop us now.
		Nothing can keep this stuff secret.
		Nothing can change the fact that we're able to look at it now, and we have a right to call ourselves experts in our own self, as opposed to giving away our power to see and understand things to experts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, and again, for those who joined us at midnight, there has been a discovery, a significant, a very significant discovery in a place called, Give It To Me Again, please say.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Tushka.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tushka in Egypt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's right in the middle of the very fundamentalist territory.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's in the southwest desert, about 450 miles from Cairo.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And there they have discovered a whole new, an older, a temple that is older, literally, than the oldest pyramids on Giza.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're at the very least 10,000 years old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And even more incredible, beneath that, they're uncovering apparently more true.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, What they're discovering is not only is there a temple, now this is in Abydos, a completely different place, they're not only discovering a temple with like 20 layers of flooding around it, and that is probably 5,000 years old, or maybe 6,000, they're discovered that there's one under it that this one was built on top of.
		So the most magnificent about it, David, to everybody is that we are discovering a whole new historical timeline.
		And we're using what we call the Mesopotamian region in Egypt, which is the Fertile Crescent where we say modern-day civilization came from.
		And we've used that as our historical reference to find out where the rest of the world has evolved from into the culture we call the Western, Middle Eastern, and Far Eastern cultures.
		And it's 10,000 or 12,000 years older than we've ever been told.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not going to do it all.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		It's really art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is.
		And not unexpected.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, gentlemen.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		This is Scott in Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Scott in Denver, how are you doing, Scott?
unidentified		Hi, Scott.
		I have three questions.
		One quick question.
		When you have the debate, do you plan on taping it and playing it back on later shows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can't answer that right now.
		I imagine certainly we will in one manner or another.
		Whether it would be a playback on the air or not, I don't know.
unidentified		Okay.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But it'll definitely be...
		We're looking at every possible way.
		I'm not totally in control of this, and neither is R. But we're looking at every possible way to do it the best that we know how to get the information out and to settle in the debate in this first part to settle the issues of how we're going to look at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I can guarantee you this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If Zahi throws Robert Baval or Graham Hancock over the side, we'll try and get videotape of that.
unidentified		Which probably will happen, but somewhere in all of that.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I know it's going to be great.
		You know what?
		I know it's going to be great, Scott.
		So we'll do our very best.
		I know I will, because that's why I'm a part of it.
unidentified		It's very fun to hear.
unidentified		I wish they could be there.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, look forward.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look forward to the conference in Cairo next year.
unidentified		Well, that's a possibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, do you have another question?
unidentified		Yeah, the tomb, I guess, in Tushka?
unidentified		Did they find any kind of Egyptian writing, or was it completely foreign from?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, whenever you hear that stuff, since I wasn't there, Scott, but when they start saying it's writing that predates any writing that they've seen before, and they know they have writings up to around, you know, eight, maybe nine, ten thousand years, then who knows?
		I know if you go to the, if you ever go to Abydos, which I hope everybody out there makes a pilgrimage to Egypt, it's safe.
		I mean, it's safe.
		In the temples of Abydos, you see inscriptions and drawings on walls that could have any, you have to decide for yourself what you're looking at.
		But it has, I mean, what looks like UFOs and all kinds of things that are now present, but were painted 5,000 or 7,000 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure that if Zahi were confronted directly with pictographs of UFOs, he would say, why, yes, the Egyptians had those back then.
		Probably.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Danian Brinkley.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, my name is Pamela from Denver, Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Pamela.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Pamela.
unidentified		Hi.
		Daniel, I was just curious about the Egyptian ruins.
		And as far as the Centers for Spirituality, in your book at Peace and the Light, you were talking about the Kilney beds and the Klini.
		Klini beds.
		And I was wondering if some of those experiences were just like the prior Egyptian experiences in the pyramid.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I'll tell you something, Pamela.
		Why I wrote it the way I wrote it, because of Raymond helping me understand the historical nature of the old ways.
		I believe that a lot of times, you know, I try to understand how I saw this, and then people say, well, Daniel, was it reincarnation, or could you have lived that life and you brought this forth?
		I believe that what I'm doing with the Clinique, which I've called based on Asclepios, who called dream incubation, that a lot of the programs that I developed, I didn't develop, the ones I just brought forth and put into action here and the experimental center that I have of the 8-STEP program, was to create a way that dream incubation and that this bed works.
		I mean, it's electrical, but it works in the program, just like the ancient teaching, the ancient mystical schools, and the great Egyptian and Greek and Roman centers.
unidentified		Okay.
		And how would you be able to actually go and experience one of these beds?
		I've had a lot of time.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Now remember this, Pamela.
		It's not just a bed.
		Throughout the years, I've been out here 22 years since that happened, almost 23 years.
		It was a program.
		You know, there's no magic bullet.
		It was an eight-step program.
		The bed was no more important than any other part.
		But through the years, people have always attached to it and just focused on that.
		Now, what I have intended to do, like I wrote in that piece in 97 and 98, that I would start putting these centers in place.
		And what I'm watching now, what I'm doing in Washington right now, is I look at where the FDA is, where the people who come into alternative and complementary medicine, what the laws are, so that I don't get put into jail or a lot of things that's happened to people who've tried this, like Dr. Brzezinski, that I can come and do it in the safety of proper legislature and look at these bills and read them.
		But, you know, I work with mostly people who are terminal and their primary caregiver when I'm home and working through this program, but I think that the early part of next year, I'm going to put these sensors in five places and use them as experimental so that people can come and do research and do a study.
		And, you know, I've been at this since like 1977, and I keep working on it.
		But I don't want to go to jail and I don't want someone to come in and seize this concept and go out and just sell beds because there's a lot of people who are building really good equipment, but it's not a full program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		And Wild Card Line, you're on here with Daniel Brinkley.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, am I the Wild Card Line?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are.
unidentified		Okay, Art.
		I've been enjoying the show.
		And Daniel, it's wonderful to hear you again.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Phil McCalky.
unidentified		My name is Art.
unidentified		I'm in San Francisco.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
unidentified		I've been listening to Art for a few months now, and I've really got to enjoy it.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Isn't it great?
unidentified		Yeah, it really is.
		And you and I had an experience in common 21 years ago.
		I also had a near-death experience.
		My throat was cut.
		And I had a very, very, not quite as strange as yours, but quite an odd experience and developed kind of a truth sense after that.
		And you and one of Art's other guests, Amishio Kaku, kind of strike me as really kind of on opposite sides of a wire talking about the same thing.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean, Art?
unidentified		Well, Michio Kaku is a theoretical physicist that Art has had on several times.
unidentified		And he talks about, you know, the depth and the strangeness of the universe.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And the wonderment.
unidentified		Huh?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And also the wonderment out of the world.
unidentified		Yeah, absolutely.
		And you do, too, in a different way, in the more the spiritual way.
		But the two of you, to me, come across with the true sense that comes in.
		And one of the things that...
		Well, one of the things I wanted to mention to you was that after one of my near-death experiences, a friend of mine quoted something I thought originally came from Mark Twain, but what he said cheered me up quite a bit.
		He said, well, he was meant to hang, need never fear drowning.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope it doesn't happen to me, but, you know, I play the hand I'm dealt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, don't we all?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		You know, and that's the part, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I read this really interesting story about this poor guy, Daniel.
		You wouldn't believe it.
		And I'll see if I can dig it out during the break.
		I've got it here somewhere.
		Absolutely unbelievable.
		In the meantime, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
unidentified		Hello.
		Oh, hi.
		I didn't know if I was on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, you're on.
unidentified		First of all, enjoy your show.
		Finally, there's a show that you're the host of guests that think like me.
		I'll try to be brief as possible, but there seems to be a connection from other experiences.
		I've listened to shows that people have near-death experiences.
		When I was a child, I was an infant, actually, and my mother, who has passed since, told me that I came close to dying.
		But ever since my consciousness of my life, I can remember, even up until now, I'm 39, I always felt there was something different or some enlightenment, something that I wasn't mainstream in my thinking.
		I couldn't accept things as they were.
		People told me.
		And it seems like there's a connection with people that have near death, that has this new understanding or openness or whatever about life and about all these theories.
		But my problem I have, when I talk to different priests about religion and what we're talking about, all these discoveries that's really blown away all these theories that's established, no priest that I talk to can answer my questions.
		As far as about the Bible, it's written a short time compared to the history of the earth.
		No one can answer the question I have.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		What would be one of your questions?
unidentified		Well, okay.
unidentified		My question is, just in my own experience, I'm fascinated with stars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, don't you, but no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ask us a specific question that you would ask a priest that he himself.
unidentified		Oh, okay, okay.
		Well, for example, if God is a caring, gentle God, in the Bible, why is there so many contradictions as far as people that's left on this earth when he comes back who are going to have to suffer?
		And it's just things like that.
		And all this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right, sir.
		Oh, pause.
		Take a breath.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		The whole spiritual world is a loving, comparing, is a loving, compassionate place.
		You have a near-death experience.
		There's something that nothing can change.
		The way you leave this world is designed for us by someone or something that truly loves us.
		When you pass from this world to the next world, it's a safe journey filled with love, hope, and the greatest possibilities of your spiritual identity.
		No question.
		This is a, what we're here is that we choose to come here and we're chosen to come here.
		And we come here so that we can co-create.
		And yes, it has its ups and downs, and yes, it has its bumps in places.
		But that's part of the evolution of the physical spiritual matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people would ask, Danian, why would a compassionate God allow a young child, an innocent, to die?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, remember, we don't know everything.
		And a child coming into this world, like when you come here, there's a lot of things that go on before you enter here.
		I mean, we were all powerful and magnificent beings before we ever took the challenge to come here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you sum it up by saying we don't know it all?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we have to keep that in context.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Daniel, hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		We'll break here and come back with more of your calls for Daniel Brinkley.
		I'm Art Bell.
		As the saying goes, don't touch that dial.
unidentified		I don't realize just what I have found.
		I have been on that hair of what I am.
		It's all clear to me now.
		Ooh, yeah.
		Yeah, yeah.
		Ooh, yeah.
		Watch that sea, dig it, let me see.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think just about everybody in the world knows about the Beijing radio now.
		It's been on all the networks.
		CNN did a big piece on it.
		I've been advertising it for I don't know how long.
		And now comes what CNN also covered, the Beijing Wind-Up Lantern.
		Obviously, available for a little while here.
		We had this on, oh, I don't know, it was probably two or three months ago.
		And we had the first tentative shipment of Bajin lanterns.
		And they sold like that.
		What is the Bajin Lantern?
		It is wonderfully built.
		It's built like a tank.
		All the products that come from South Africa, from the Bajin Company, are remarkably stout, be the word, I guess.
		You wind it for 30 seconds and you get over three minutes of light.
		You get two hours of light from built-in rechargeable batteries.
		You get a spare bulb and an AC adapter included.
		You get a five-year warranty on the lantern, a two-year warranty on the batteries.
		It's made of yellow high-impact ABS plastic, a very sleek, modern design.
		And, well, I'll tell you, they're going to be sold out pretty soon.
		How much?
		The Bajin wind-up lanterns?
		$74.95.
		And that price includes getting it to your hot little ponds.
		Shipping and handling included.
		$74.95.
		But I guarantee you they're going to sell out very quickly.
		Call Bob Crane in the morning at 7.30 a.m. at 1-800-522-8863.
		One more time.
		1-800-522-8863.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Now I coast to coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you are.
		Let's enlarge a little bit on what I was asking about, you know, the baby.
		Why does God allow this?
		Why does God allow that?
		Earlier today in Arkansas, an 11-year-old and a 13-year-old, dressed in fatigues, got into a hiding place, had what they believe was a third juvenile, set off a false fire alarm.
		All the teachers and students came rushing out and they opened fire, killing five girls, wounding 11 others.
		One teacher is dead.
		A second is critical.
		It was a slaughter.
		More and more of this, Daniel, our young people.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I wrote about it in Saved by the Light Ark.
		It was one of the boxes of knowledge.
		It's right there, written in 1993, talked about for 22 years that this would come to pass, that these things would come to pass.
		What does it mean?
		What it means, and it's not God letting that happen, it's us letting it happen.
		I work in, you know, I work in hospice, which is my main thing.
		My whole life is palliative care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		But I work in programs at home in emotionally handicapped kids, what's called EH programs.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And you see a lot of what comes about in the social structure of our country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what's going on with the kids?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, they see a lot of things on television.
		They also live in dysfunctional families, really dysfunctional families.
		And there's a lot of emotional problems.
		I mean, I see kids trying to learn, but they live around drugs and alcohol and abuse.
		And these things can occur.
		We have to look at the families and look who's really responsible, which is all of us are responsible.
		We need to create a better perspective and better conditions in the school and who's responsibility, because I see the stress on teachers.
		Teachers have so much stress on them because they're left to be responsible for those raising the moral character and the fiber of a child.
		And when you take prayer away from things or a spiritual perspective away from things, then you only find satisfaction in that kind of stuff.
		And it'll get worse than that.
		We have to find our spiritual selves.
		Why support this stuff with Egypt and why I take the tours and why I go there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Daniel, I said it earlier, and I'll say it again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is a spiritual renaissance going on, but there is also more and more of this kind of stuff going on.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're right, Art, but maybe the fact that we are on a spiritual quest and the spiritual revolution is occurring, that this would be magnified and intensified as people break that old paradigm.
		These are kids that anybody who knows anything about children, they mock, follow, and copy what they see.
		They don't think this on their own.
		Now, maybe it could be evil being manifested in what we call that satanic nature.
		But children mock and follow the example set by those they're around in their social environment and what they see.
		They follow it.
		The way that these children have seen that they can balance whatever is wrong is condoned.
		It's seen in a lot of television programs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's where I was going to go.
		You know, people say, look at the video games where you rip people's heads off.
		Look at television where people are killed on multiple murders in any given hour.
		That's that kind of thing.
		Is it that or is it something else?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		It could be a combination of those things, Art.
		I'm not going to move into censorship.
		This is still America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And we still have a right to do and be who we want to be.
		But it's our responsibility.
		If you go and volunteer, I like hospice, but if you go and volunteer as an adult in an EH class and emotionally handicapped and go help out a teacher and spend time where teachers every day on the front lines are doing, trying to educate Children, you will be amazed what you will learn in one day.
		Now, I've been doing this for eight years, and when I see this, my mind automatically looks at the social relationship between that child and their family and the immediate environment that they live in, plus the lack of spirituality, the spirituality of who we are.
		And I don't know who is completely responsible for that, but I think the family and the quality of that child's environment determines a lot of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, maybe so.
		We'll get the details and we'll see.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Daniel, I loved your book, Save by the Light.
		Thank you.
		You did such a wonderful job, and we really appreciate that.
		I have a question on your prophecies that you saw.
		What did you see that was going to happen in 1998 and 99?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, the exact moments, you know, they tend to move two or three months in any direction.
		But I know that what's going to happen in 98 and 99, this peace accord, what was worrying me so much about the Middle East was once that women dressed in black began to march in European cities, a whole timeline had begun that there would be a Middle East peace pact, that this would come about.
		The way Europe comes under a single Euro dollar will become more influential as opposed to America being influential in the Middle East and setting up this peace accord.
		The European market or the European under one Euro dollar would become more influencing.
		As America declines in their influence, this would come to pass.
		And that as Jerusalem begins to celebrate its 3,000th year, the move to make it an international city would come into play.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, Jerusalem just announced they will expand their borders, the borders of the capital.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's not going to go down too well in some quarters.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, but there will be coming, you know, it's not going to go down at all, and settlements being done.
		But this peace accord will come to pass.
		And I say it's not good.
		You know, I write about it and say that it's really not good.
		And long ago, I talked about the combination of an Israeli and a Palestinian police force before anyone ever believed that the Palestinians would ever have a police force.
		And now as they co-patrol, this is molding and coming into existence.
		But a lot of advancements in spirituality, a lot of advancements in medicine, and us returning to light therapy and color therapy.
		And, you know, I talk about the machines that will come into existence in healing and us recapturing our own identity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All of that is happening.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I mean, this is 98, 99, and the discoveries, the things that will be discovered.
		I know that either in the jungles of Peru or in Egypt, somewhere in the Yucatan or somewhere in China, and really something about the Basque region of Spain and the French-Spanish border.
		Something important is going to happen in that that brings that awareness.
		Does that help?
unidentified		Yes, definitely.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And what it really means, though, is we're on a timeline where we're regaining control of ourselves.
		We're accepting who we are as spiritual beings.
		Not any of this to be frightened of.
		I don't talk about the stuff to frighten people, but if you know that this is what's happening, just like the thing that happened today, I ask everybody that the kids who killed today and were killed, that all of us take a few moments and surround the families who lost their children with love and the same way you did for me so many times.
		And for all those parents whose children did it, to also surround them with love.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're going to need it.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild Gregline, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, this is Dan in Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dan.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dan.
unidentified		Daniel had a chance to see you in Baltimore, and I talked to you there at the end of the book signing for a moment.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Do we do a good job in Baltimore?
unidentified		Oh, that's why I'm calling.
unidentified		That was quite a spiritual experience.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Thanks.
unidentified		You have quite a lot of assistance.
		I was able to see your aura, and I normally don't see things like that unless there are special occasions where there's a connection made.
		And there was, you're on this huge stage.
		I guess it must have been about 20 feet long.
		But all in the upper part of the stage, you could just see the purple.
		I could see the purple and the magenta light pouring down, you know, through you.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Dan, you're like the fifth person who told me about that same magenta light.
unidentified		Is that right?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I really know what that means.
unidentified		It's a Christ consciousness.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Whoa.
unidentified		It's a connection to the Christ.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're like the fifth person who told me about that in Baltimore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is remarkable.
unidentified		Oh, is it?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, it happens a lot and what people describe.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		It's really, I don't know what I have to do with it.
unidentified		Well, you're a master.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I don't really know what that means.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't either.
		But I appreciate his saying that.
		And five people told you that.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so far.
		That's the fifth person.
		And I mean, the same coloring, the same thing that they're saying.
		And whatever it is, if it helps people find their spiritual identity, moves them one step closer without having to die, that they can hear it and be a part of the lifting of the veil between this world and that world, which I know is possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, your doctor told me you shouldn't be alive.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		They tell me that all of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there must be a reason that you are.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think I don't, you know, I try not to ponder that because we are all, I'm in a state of being.
		You know, I'm here.
		I'm playing the hand-downed out.
		I'm putting as much love and compassion as I am possible and capable with my flawed nature and personality that I can.
		And, you know what, Art?
		I don't see me any different than so many other people out there.
		You know, I don't See such a great difference.
		I'm a survivor, and in the course of surviving, I've learned how to try to be more loving and to be more compassionate and to care more.
		I think that all of us are really trying to do that, and we just need each other's support to do it.
		And I take a great deal of strength and comfort from the love that people give me and the things just like he just said.
		And I try with all my heart to give that love back.
		And maybe that that has a color and a hue and a tone to it that helps us really know we are still connected to the other side.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I had a guest on the other night who just made me a believer in auras, I'll tell you.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
		Hello.
unidentified		Ert, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm calling from Flint, Michigan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And who are you?
		Yeah, who are you?
		Jerry.
unidentified		Jerry from Flint, Michigan.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Jerry.
unidentified		Jerry with a G. Hi, K-K-A-R-Y.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Got it.
unidentified		Hi, Daniel.
unidentified		I can't believe I'm talking to you.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Is that good or bad?
unidentified		Oh, this is great.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're welcome.
unidentified		And thanks for having me on, Er.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		I was wondering, your book and Betty Eady's book were so similar in certain ways with the beings of light and the box of knowledge and stuff.
unidentified		How many other people do you know through association that had the near-death experiences that seen that same stuff?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's my question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hundreds?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hundreds.
unidentified		Was it really?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		I am nothing exceptional, Gary.
		When that first happened to me, because it was so long ago, but I come across people.
		I've researched this for 22 years and looked at it, and I've been in 10 countries and talked to more than 600 people.
		I've been a hospice volunteer for 19 years and been with 160 people and more than 250 people in various stages of leaving this world.
		The commonalities and the things of like, I've heard the center program that I was talking about earlier.
		I have heard that from 20 other people.
		I've heard a description.
		It was a phase and a point where by some reason or some order or some group that I come from over there to come over here, we all perceived this stuff.
		And other people perceived other things.
		And it will happen to you.
		We are naturally spiritual beings.
		We have such a common system of choosing to come here and chosen to come here.
		And as we do that, we're going to perceive from the realm of where we came from over there, over here.
		We don't all come from the exact same place.
		We come from different levels of consciousness and different spheres and sometimes maybe Right.
		We come from different orders, different levels.
		We don't just all pass to the other side in a big lump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think everybody looks for a black and white.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's what happens when you die.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is a black and white of it in the early stages of leaving this world.
		You moved out of your body, you move down the tunnel, place of light, and beings of light, and surrounded by loved ones.
		The panoramic life is you aren't, which I can guarantee, you know, what I've always said, the single most important thing about the near-death experience to me is the panoramic life is you.
		That you know that everything that you've ever done from the day you were born to the last breath that you breathe, you will see it in a 360-degree panorama.
		You will watch it from a second-person perspective.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you will feel what those people that you may have hurt or affected felt.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And what that does point blank means that everything you do to or for someone else, you're really just doing it to yourself.
unidentified		Danny Ann, do you think that all the things that are going on on the earth right now, like all the weather, the bad weather we're having, and the things that went on in Arkansas, the crime, and stuff like that, do you think maybe it's, I mean, it's got a lot to do with the end times of the Bible and Revelation, doesn't it?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know quite that, but I know we're hitting an energy pitch, a fever, let's say, of all of these things happening in such, in a magnitude or a magnified force that lets us know we're living in an era of transition, great and rapid transition, social unrest, spiritual unrest, an uneasiness in the many religious perspectives as well as everyday religions, institutions, and governments.
		They're passing away.
		But our spiritual selves are becoming heightened and more aware and more determined to change things for the good.
		I really believe it.
		I mean, I believe it more now.
		You know, I was a little pessimistic for about 10 years after the second near-death experience.
		But I am more convinced of the magnificence of who we are and the greatness of the times that we live in and the potential that we as a collective group are capable of achieving.
		And you know, Gary, I believe we'll do it.
		Whereas I never would have said that five or six years ago.
		But I see too much.
		I mean, I have the opportunity to be around people and watch us and see the spiritual commitment we're making to ourselves because most of us are making decisions about parents and children.
		And we have to find a spiritual perspective so we know how to bring our children into a world of safety that they'll inherit and how to help our moms and dads and uncles leave this world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel, you're a lot more optimistic than I am.
		We don't have a lot of time here.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Daniel Brinkley.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, this is Gilbert in Denver.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Gilbert.
unidentified		Hi, Gilbert.
		One question, just out of pure curiosity, and then I'd like to propose just a kind of a thought-provoking question.
		First of all, as far as that new discovery of the temple in Egypt, has there been any resonance work done there yet, or is it not yet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, too early.
unidentified		Too early?
		Yep.
		Okay, I was really curious about that.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Well, what they did, they just discovered it.
		This is less than a month old.
		And no one has been in that desert in like 5,000 years.
		And they were digging.
		And they looked at the monument, and they looked at the hieroglyphics of the inscriptions, and they knew it was nothing they'd ever seen before.
		And they looked at the dates of those that were prior to that, and they know it's over 10,000 years old.
		This is a temple.
		And it's buried under enormous amounts of silt and desert sand.
		You know, they would have not discovered it if they weren't digging holes 20, 30 feet deep in the middle of the desert to irrigate it.
		Now, I wonder what else is lying out there.
		did we tell people that they can learn more about all that tour business and the stuff by calling 1-800-888-5509?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is that number?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		1-800-888-5509.
		That's the bastard demon.
		He's kind of coordinating all that kind of stuff, where we go, what we're doing, and what we're trying to figure out about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's the number I've got.
		1-800-888-5509.
		That's right.
		People can still come along on the cruise in May if they wish with us.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And planned for next year also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you're in California, you've got to call 310, Area Code 310-568-0138.
		Love to have you come along.
		It's going to be wild.
		Absolutely wild.
		Dr. Zayawas is going to be there.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Graham and Robert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to be there.
		By the way, we are going to do...
		When the cruise is over and the debate is over, and hopefully we're all still alive.
		We're going to land in Vancouver and stay another day in Vancouver, and you are going to do a Dreamland program with me from Vancouver, right?
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy, am I looking forward to that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm really looking forward to that.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		We too are because we get to tell people what we really saw with all of us there and to decide which ways to go and to make our importance and our impact known in these marvelous discoveries.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, brothers, coming up on 4 o'clock in Washington, D.C. Get some sleep.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for having me, and I hope you'll have me back.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		And I thank everybody there for thinking about me, and I love them very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Daniel.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Art.
dannion brinkley ▲ ● ▼		Good night, Sponge, and good night, World.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
		That, folks, is Daniel Bringley.
		And when we come back, we'll move into open minds.
		There's an awful lot to talk about.
		Maybe too much in a lot of ways.
		At any rate, don't touch that dial.
		But to revive that saying.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast A.M. A.M. 1500, KSTP.
unidentified		Paul B. He's your on-air.
unidentified		Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Well, hey, great to talk to you.
		Hi.
		That's great.
		First time caller.
		Been a listener for about a month, and I don't think I've gotten to bed before 5 o'clock since then.
		So many things I'd like to talk to you about.
		But the first one, well, actually, probably the only one tonight, you were talking to your previous guest.
		You were talking about near-death experiences.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		And not too long ago, when I was about a freshman in college, I had a pretty bad car accident, in which case I didn't have a near-death experience, but an out-of-body.
		And ever since then, I've had premonitions and insights into things that would happen.
		And I had this really interesting premonition one night, not too long after that happened, where I had this dream that I was floating over my bed.
		And I saw myself sleeping in the bed, and I saw myself get out of bed and walk down the hall.
		And I looked out my front window, and I noticed, and I saw a UFO flying over the cornfield that was out past the pond that was out in front of our house.
		And it was like spraying some kind of fluid over the field, and it caught it all on fire.
		And it started to burn the lawn up in front of our house.
		And, you know, to make a long story short, I went to get my parents, and we went down the lawn in front of the house, and it burned all the way up to the house and then went out.
		Well, now, three days later, I had been staying at a friend's house over the weekend, and my parents came pick me up and take me home.
		And as we were getting over the hill toward our house, they looked at me and said, oh, by the way, while you were gone, we got home, and there were fire trucks in our front lawn spraying down the house, and that front lawn had caught on fire and burned all the way up to the house.
		I bet you went into a long, silent moment of, oh, my God, kind of reflection.
		Exactly.
		And then it was more like an, oh, my, and then it was an out loud, oh, my God.
		Yep, of course.
		Well, of course.
		Look, what you experienced is not unusual.
		Trauma and near death seems to bring a temporary, and Danion would tell you, it will begin to fade, but a temporary ability to see and know things that you would otherwise not see and know.
		That's true.
		And it probably has something to do with trauma to the brain.
		Who knows?
		Well, it might have to do with the mind actually reaching that higher plane.
		Maybe it gives you some kind of an insight.
		Maybe it does.
		I appreciate your call, but I'm going to move on.
		I'll tell you, it could be electrochemical.
		We don't know much about the brain.
		It could be spiritual.
		It could be both.
		Or it could be something we haven't even thought of yet.
		But it is true that people like this young lady who have traumatic, very traumatic near-death experiences seem to acquire the ability to see and know things that the rest of us do not.
		And I've talked to enough people that I definitely believe that.
		An update for you.
		It seems that God did not show.
		The leader of a Texas religious group now says God will not be returning to earth next month.
		The leader of God's Salvation Church says that his earlier prediction of a second coming can now be considered, quote, nonsense, end quote, since God did not appear on TV early this morning as he had expected.
		Members of the Taiwanese religious sect were awaiting God's message on Channel 18, just after midnight Central Time.
		But the time came and went.
		No God.
		The leader now says his nearly 140 followers are free to leave the group.
		But he says he's Staying at their Dallas area church to study and research.
		He says his faith is not shaken.
		Just before that, I had somebody else who called and said, Well, down near Garland, all they saw was a Monty Python movie.
		Somebody had a sense of humor.
		I got this: Art, unless God speaks fluent Spanish and has an 800 number at the bottom of the screen, he's a no-show in Central Florida.
		You're on Channel 18.
		And then this.
		Hello, Art.
		From Matt in La Costa.
		My God, it happened.
		I saw him at 12 a.m.
		He appeared on my TV right before my own eyes.
		He has a pointy nose, an unusually rounded head, two huge round ears, and speaks with a squeaky voice.
		Oh, wait a minute, Art.
		I'm in North County, San Diego, and this is the Disney Channel.
		Channel 18.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
		Hello, Art.
		Yes.
		I have a.
		This is Steve from Cincinnati, formerly of New York City.
		Yes, sir.
		And I have a theory.
		I've been writing a book last few months, and it concerns a theory about the origin, actually not the origin, the use of the pyramids, what it was built for.
	And I feel the pyramids were built...
	If you look at a cross-section of the pyramid, you can see if...
	Yes.
	Actually, no, I don't.
	I work in a lab, and I have a few radios, and I'm closing the door here.
	How's that?
	Better.
	Okay.
	So you think you know what the pyramids were built for?
	Fire away.
	Well, I believe the pyramids were designed for protection from the Great Deluge.
	Also, probably bombs.
	But that doesn't make sense.
	You mean, as in flood?
	Right.
	Okay, but the pyramids have sea encrustations embedded in them, which would indicate they were once part of a great flood.
	Uh-huh.
	Well, I came to the conclusion, I feel that the floods, the flood, if you look at a cross-section of it, as it filled up, you can stand in the center chamber.
	I think it's the king's chamber.
	I have charts and stuff I'd like to mail to you, but I feel that as the water rises, you can stand in that center chamber and monitor the level of the water.
	Well, all things considered, I'd rather be on Mount Ararat, thank you, which is where they think they have found the Ark, incidentally.
	Here's an interesting story.
	A Seminole man hopes to market alien skeleton.
	An Oklahoma treasure hunter plans to take a bucket of bones to Roswell, New Mexico to sell.
	Bucket of bones.
	Dane Shastain of Seminole thinks that the bones are those of an alien that died in the forests of Arkansas.
	He says the creature had metallic hair and a fin on its back.
	My his reckoning, this is an AP story, folks, by his reckoning, the bones may fetch tens of thousands of dollars in Roswell, a town with a great interest in UFO sightings.
	The 68-year-old man is nearly a lifelong treasure hunter.
	He's also uncovered Indian relics, soda bottles worth $400, a white shell he claims is millions of years old, and a dense reddish rock he believes to be a very valuable meteorite.
	So, get ready.
	A Roswell becomes, because here comes a man with a bucket of bones.
	East of the Rockies, you're on air.
	Hello?
	Yeah, this is Thomas from Oklahoma.
	I'd like to give some enlightenment.
	Enlighten me, Thomas.
	all right uh...
	the uh...
	one one statement like to say if uh...
	everybody loved themselves uh...
	the universe I'm nervous.
	The universe.
	No.
	Loving self holds the universe together.
	Does it?
	Yes, it does.
	The glue that holds things together.
	Well, it sure isn't what happened earlier today in Arkansas.
	And anyway, the pyramids do not come from this world.
	That is certainly a possibility, Thomas.
	Thank you.
	You know, I believe that is possible.
	I believe that Tom Van Flandren and others may be correct.
	I believe the discoveries documented tonight by Danion, that things are much older, much older than anybody thought.
	I definitely point toward the possibility of one of two things.
	Either that man was once here before, and maybe many times here and gone, or that there was intervention from elsewhere.
	And the more we discover, the more it seems to point in one of those two directions, both of which will shatter paradigms.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Joanne from Cape Dorado, Missouri.
	All right, the home of Rush Limbaugh.
	That's right.
	I have a comment about the young boys that killed those children in Jonesboro, Arkansas.
	Yes.
	which is fairly close to us.
	And I think that when the discipline authority was taken away from the parents, that a lot of this started because they were afraid to correct their children because they would be turned over to the authorities or the school would maybe see a mark on them or something that their parents had done.
	And I think that was the downfall.
	Something more has changed.
	How old are you?
	55.
	All right, good.
	We're about the same age.
	Do you remember when you were 11?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	I had my own switch off the tree to be spanked with.
	Yeah, that's like digging your own grave later on.
	Do I have four healthy children?
	11-year-olds never, ever thought about that kind of thing.
	No.
	11-year-olds never did that kind of thing.
	I don't care what people say.
	We didn't get stories like this when you and I were 11.
	Period.
	Yes.
	And we had good mothers and dads.
	So something absolutely has changed.
	Correct.
	I'm not sure.
	Television, movies, parental control.
	I think the parents are too, really too busy.
	They don't really care what their children are doing.
	And like I said, if they correct them too much, they're going to be turned over to the authorities, and the children know that, and they even threaten their parents with that.
	And I think that's the downfall of, and I think that it should be going back and letting, I don't mean beating your children.
	I mean, I raised four children.
	They're very healthy, two boys, two girls.
	Did you ever make any of them cut their own switch?
	No.
	No, I did not do that.
	But, you know, I mean, they would mind me.
	You know, I mean, they were good children.
	Did you give them a sharp rap on the backside when they didn't?
	Well, of course.
	I mean, you know, I mean, that's the way my mother did me, and I, you know, I grew up fine.
	I've never been in any kind of.
	Conventional thinking now is that little Johnny must have what little Johnny wants.
	And if Little Johnny wants to dump ashtrays on the floor to see what kind of design they make, then that's a growing experience for little Johnny.
	I'm with Little Johnny.
	Yeah, you're damn right it is.
	Well, I really enjoy your show, and I just wanted to put my two cents in.
	You know, it happened over Paducah, Kentucky, which is about 75 miles from us also.
	And I expect it to happen here in Cape Gorado.
	We have a high school that's getting out of hand.
	I appreciate your call.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I'm sorry to say I too expect more of this.
	And I am not surprised that it is young people.
	Now, all is not dark and lost.
	As I told Danion, as Danion firmly believes, he's more of an optimist than I am, but there is a spiritual renaissance going on in America, in the world.
	But I'm afraid that the other side, the negative side, is also increasing in strength.
	So perhaps one might suggest there is a coming battle.
	I wrote about it.
	Now it's happening.
	We'll be back.

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