Linda Moulton Howe details Gulf Breeze, Alabama’s 2014–2015 UFO sightings—silver cigar and disc-shaped objects—while Mark Smith debunks camera-captured auras, explaining they’re measurable electromagnetic fields (0.05V–80V) tied to physical/emotional states, like NIH’s 1986 study where prayer-like energy improved heart patients’ recovery. He teaches a 60-second method to perceive auras naturally, noting 60–80% of observers detect colors like gold or green, with variations signaling illness (e.g., AIDS or lymphoma). Auras in plants react to stimuli like wine or magnets, and human energy fields may linger post-death, suggesting deeper connections between consciousness, energy, and reality than mainstream science acknowledges. [Automatically generated summary]
Welcome to Dreamland, a program dedicated to an examination of areas in the human experience not easily nor neatly put in a box.
Things seen at the edge of vision, awakening a part of the mind as yet not matched, and yet things every bit as real as the air we breathe but don't see.
This is Dreamland.
And it will be a particularly good example of that this night.
Lynn Mulk Howe will be here in a moment, of course, this time at a remote location, I think, down in Alabama someplace.
And she'll be talking about some sightings, remarkable sightings.
Synchronicity.
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Synchronous type sightings, I guess, the word is synchronicity.
Well, as I said, I got a call from Whitley Striever.
And he said, my God, this conference was going on.
I was sitting in a restaurant and people started saying, look, somebody in fact ran out with a camcorder, so they got actual camcorder footage of this sighting, whatever it was, and here to tell us about it, with witnesses, I might add, is our science reporter, our reporter on environmental matters, our Dreamland reporter every week, Emmy Award-winning documentary producer, and author of a brand new book, which has just been born.
By the way, we'll tell you about that, the first chapter of which documents arts arts.
Here is Linda Bolton-Howe.
Hi, Linda.
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Yes, it does, and I think Art, that one of the facts about that first section on the Bismuth Magnesium Layered material for everybody to keep in mind is it is almost two years.
Well, it is two years.
And two days, no one has come forward anywhere able to make the material that matches or to explain what it is or what its function is.
And all of that is technically, carefully, painstakingly documented in your new book.
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Yes, thank you.
And if we continue to learn anything more about that art from having this now out there in the world and somebody comes forward with more information about Dismuth Magnesium, I'd sure welcome it and we'll put it on post in Dreamland.
Well, I was in Mobile, Alabama earlier today, Art, but now I am back tonight in Gulf Breeze.
Yeah, where dozens of residents since 1987 have seen, photographed, and videotaped unidentified aerial objects at night and in the daytime, and you were just talking about one during this conference.
Here I spoke about the growing number of eyewitnesses in military intelligence and civilian communities who have had close encounters with craft and entities that the government insiders themselves call extraterrestrial biological entities, and they make no bones about it, and they don't try to qualify it.
They say they are there, and that's what they call them.
Yesterday at lunchtime, during the conference, exactly as you were saying, three people said that they saw a silver cigar-shaped object without wings move rapidly across the sky and disappear.
Two of those eyewitnesses had to leave this morning.
The other, who has the videotape, had to leave this afternoon.
But I talked to him about getting that videotape to you so that you could put it on the website.
Yeah, and so what I think I'll do is I'll do the separate interview with him.
It can go with the videotape for next week.
And tonight, I have two other residents who have seen multiple objects here just this month.
And both in the daylight and at night, lens-shaped silver craft close enough to see the shape very clearly and a round, round disc at close sighting.
But before we go into that, because something else important surfaced while I was down here from one of the residents, and that is a very distressing newspaper headline from the Fort Myers Beach area, only about 30 minutes from where we're sitting right now tonight.
The headline is A Fish Kill Mystery.
Microorganisms suspected in outbreaks from Florida to South America.
This is now new.
Everybody has heard me report probably half a dozen times the last year about Pestheria.
This is probably related, and I want you to hear an excerpt from this very long, huge article from the paper because they've got serious problems here.
Quote, a weird new fish disease that is causing a grotesque wasting away of fish near Stewart is only the latest in a string of unexplained fish kills stretching from Florida to South America.
A suspect in this latest outbreak is a microscopic life form that may be a close cousin of the chameleon-like single-cell animal that has been called Physteria.
Lynn, I think it was two or three weeks ago I mentioned to you that I was hearing about this new organism that was somehow related to Cysteria, and I mentioned that to you.
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That's right.
And then all of a sudden, I'm here and look at what is being reported on the front page of the Sun Sentinel on Thursday.
Wow.
And it goes on to say that this issue, they're confused.
The scientists are confused because last summer I also reported about the dying coral and the dying beautiful, what they call those beautiful colored angelfish that are off some of the Papado Beach areas.
That has continued to be a problem of fish kills.
They don't know if it's one and the same organism, but right now, what they're describing is that in these incidents now, the fish turn up with ugly sores that are red, like a skinned knee.
So the ones in the latest outbreak are also white, rotting with ulcerated lesions.
And that's what happened to those ornamental fish.
They had these terrible lesions on their body that were white gray.
And this is a quote from a Florida Department of Environmental Protection spokesman.
He said, we are seeing more and more fish with lesions.
This is now, Art.
This isn't last summer.
This is now.
And this is March of 1998.
The newspaper says, while toxic dinoflagellates have been around for a long time, people are now doing something that encourages their growth beyond natural limits.
Could sewage and similar pollution be behind this?
Some researchers think so.
Perhaps the microscopic bugs are like roaches.
They've been around forever, but their population explodes when food is left around in the form of pesticides and infertilizers.
Wade Iock of Stewart, one of the first to report the Indian River fish disease, thinks that the problem is related to pollution.
Here is his quote.
Our river is so sick that it may never recover unless something is done right now.
Now, this is in the early spring where we really haven't had news reports like this until much later in the summer.
I hope this is not a harbinger that 98 could be worse.
I had dropped my daughter off to work at lunchtime.
And she works out here on Santa Rosa Island or Pensacola Beach.
I live in Gaul Fries, which is a peninsula or at the end of a peninsula just across a bridge, Bob Sykes Bridge.
I was returning home, and I looked up into the sky, and it was beautiful.
There was no clouds, just a crystal clear sky.
And all of a sudden, I see a lens-shaped silver object come out of nowhere, travel from right to left, tilt to its side, and then before you know it, just bingo, it was gone.
Now, meanwhile, I'm driving, I looked around in the sky, and again, no clouds, nothing, no trace.
It was remarkable.
It kind of gave me the creeps, a little bit, I should say.
And when you were talking to me about if you put your arm out at arm's length distance and you compared the size of that, what you were seeing, you compared that to the size of a quarter.
I know being here that we are in a watery area that is just surrounded by all kinds of Navy and military operations in this entire Pensacola Gulf Breeze area.
And it seems that military areas have always drawn this phenomenon for whatever the reason.
Well, actually, even if you want to imagine, Linda, that it might be some sort of dimensional vehicle.
His point is well taken, that there could be natural entry and exit points for such things.
It's within reason.
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It's true, that's true.
And because there's been so much activity, why does it cycle?
It was only on March 20th, on Friday night, 6.15, that Don is then traveling with his wife, Cindy.
They're on one of the big bridges here.
And Cindy, start out with what you saw.
Well, we were coming home across the Bay Bridge, and I noticed, we were traveling south, and I noticed off to the left a big white ball of light.
It seemed to be coming toward us, which in fact it was.
I watched it.
Don saw it too.
Well, I would say several seconds once again.
Now we're traveling south on the bridge, going the bridge speed limit at rush hours, so you're talking maybe 30 miles per hour.
Right, so we were on the bridge a few minutes, a good few minutes.
And you could see this that whole time until what, it blinked out?
Right.
I was watching it, and all of a sudden, just right before my eyes, it blinked out.
And I kept my eyes on the same area, and all of a sudden, I started seeing a twinkling.
And it got clearer because it was getting much closer to us.
And finally, as we're traveling along and it's traveling toward us, it was, oh, about 11 o'clock high, if you can imagine, like a clock.
Sure.
11 o'clock, almost 12 o'clock high.
My face is up to the windshield, and I'm looking underneath it, and it's round and silver, and the lights were just fluidly going around it, blinking, you know.
There were white lights.
Was there any color around those lights in the middle?
No, there wasn't...
But in this case, this case, there was no center light or anything, just a silvery disc.
Were people, other people seemingly seeing the same thing?
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Well, you know, I'm wondering why no one, you know.
It's hard to tell.
You know, I mean, if you ever drive down to Freeway and how many people look at you, you could look at them right through the car window and they're not looking at you.
It's true.
And I noticed also that, you know, it was rush hour and we were towards the end of the bridge and people were stopping up.
So I think they were paying attention to the state.
But it's just so recent they haven't come forward yet.
And I told them tonight that we would say on the air that anybody listening in the Gulf Breeze or Pensacola area who has been seeing this object to get in touch with me.
And I'll give a number in a minute.
But it raises this interesting question, Art, locale after locale.
Why is it that people are so reluctant to report to the media or to law enforcement?
And I think the answer always is that everyone is still afraid of ridicule, and yet there are these increasing eyewitness sightings both daylight and nighttime, especially here.
You've got a brand new book just born called Glimpses of Other Realities, High Strangeness.
In it, Linda examines government cover-ups, government contact with non-human intelligence, other extraterrestrial phenomena, including ours parts, first chapter.
It's a beautiful book, gigantic.
The price is $27.95.
And if you would like a signed copy, a limited number of copies, signed copies, the number to get it, I guess right now, is 1-800-658-9959.
Once again, that's 1-800-658-9959.
Linda's brand new book.
Congratulations, Linda.
Now we've got very little time.
So give out your fax number.
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Thank you, Art, very much.
And for people listening, who would have any information on any of this, please fax me at 215-491-9842.
That's 215-491-9842.
And Art, I'll look forward next week to talking with you more.
Or two, a distinctive but intangible quality that seems to surround a person or thing.
More specifically, Mark Smith claims auras are the physical manifestation of the soul.
He believes we are already aware of this electromagnetic energy that's responsible for the good or bad vibes, interesting 60s word, that we get from other people.
The aura's brightness, color, and clarity denote various stages of peace, wellness, and happiness.
Smith says science can measure it and even photograph it.
And when you get good at it, you can actually see illness or disease in the aura before it manifests in the body.
Mr. Smith says, quote, within our grasp, we have the ability to control our health and well-being on a day-to-day basis.
Learning about the aura is one way to gauge and monitor our health on an entirely different scale.
Get emotions and thoughts make us sick?
Do we perhaps think ourselves into disease?
The evidence, including the changes that aura has successfully help us see, emphatically supports this notion.
It was very, very interesting because, of course, you were scheduled one prior time on Dreamland, and I think you were at the time moving and got caught in a terrible snowstorm and all the rest of that sort of thing.
When you were in that snowstorm, you don't know, Mark, but I searched frantically in the web and found some interesting aura photographs.
And then when I talked to you earlier tonight, I said, are there any aura photographs on your website?
I don't want to rain on anybody's parade, but when you see a photograph of somebody, you know, nice smiling face and they've got this kind of fuchsia color or something swirling around, that really, that might be galvanic skin response.
That might be ionization of the atmosphere, but that's not your aura.
And all you have to do is, once you learn how to see the aura with your own unaided eyes, this is not third eyesight, you know, the third eye there is supposed to be between the, you know, the two eyes and the forehead.
There's a great healer here in Washington that I worked with, again, named Nietzschek Virkas.
He's a Polish émigré.
In fact, he defected before the Berlin Wall came down.
And, you know, over there in the eastern, former Eastern Bloc countries in Russia, they've been using this kind of auric healing, if you will, for 40, 50 years.
Well, at the Menager Institute in Kansas, which is an old line.
I mean, they've been around for probably 50 years also.
I don't know exactly whether it's positive or negative.
In fact, there's a video that I've seen with Dr. Elmer Green, who's one of the founders of this institute out there.
And they formed this thing basically to try to debunk all of this stuff, you know, 30, 40, 50 years ago.
And what they've been finding is that as they bring in people who claim to have healing powers, they're finding that as they put them in a copper-lined room and they put the electrodes on them and they measure their energy, they're able to get some pretty startling results.
Well, they put him in a copper-lined room, and then they put all kinds of electrodes on his head and hands.
And in the video that I saw that was taken, you can see into the actual room through the glass, into the booth.
And they've got the strip charts running and all that happening.
And he's in there all plugged in and working on it or getting ready to work on a person.
And Dr. Green, he's got to be 80 years old at this point, he says, well, just tell us when you're ready and we'll run everything.
He says, ready?
And everything jumps off the charts.
And again, I don't know because I don't, you know, again, I'm not scientific enough to tell you the answer to the question you're asking.
But when they interviewed Green after that, Dr. Green, he's sitting there and said, well, we invited 14 of these so-called healers in, seven men and seven women.
And we put them in our special, you know, copper line room and plugged them in.
As a matter of fact, I think it's been documented pretty well worldwide that yogis, for example, are able to control their own heart rate, their blood pressure.
Most of their usually thought to be involuntary bodily functions can be controlled.
So no, I'm not a disbeliever at all.
So he came at this from a very skeptical point of view then.
absolutely I mean, you're aware of the aura all the time.
The only thing that we've done, I guess, as we have become adults is that we've kind of put aside this natural ability to see auras in a normal setting.
I think children, you know, they talk about children and animals being instantly attracted or repelled by certain individuals.
And I think that before the age of reason, you know, about the age of six or seven, I think children are very normally aware of and see ours all the time.
I mean, if you think about what kids do when they come home from kindergarten the first day and the teacher has them do their first finger painting of mommy, you know, there's this six figure, you know, with blue hair.
And mommy says, well, Johnny, I taught your colors better than this.
The only thing that was pointed out to me 20 years ago is that you can consciously see the aura really whenever you want by just involving yourself in a change of focal pattern.
And once you see it, it's very much like the way they depict it on that TV show, Touched by an Angel.
Well, in whatever form you choose to think of the beyond or the divine, Whatever you call it, we have some spark of that in us.
These fleshy baggies with spines in them, we call bodies, I don't think are capable in and of themselves of withholding this indwelling divine spark, if you want to call it that.
And I think the soul is the encapsulant or the tabernacle, if you will, to use a religious term, for this spirit, this indwelling spirit.
So it's the interface, if you will, between the three-dimensional body that we have and the indwelling divine spark.
So the soul is kind of that interface that is in between, it helps us kind of maintain the spirit within the body.
And I think that this soul, if you will, is visible as manifested in the aura.
Are you seeing, when you look at the aura, Mark, are you seeing, you're not really seeing the soul so much as you're you seeing, or are you seeing some sort of emanation of it?
It's what you can see when you learn to look for it, and it's what you can feel when you learn to touch it, if you will.
That's why everyone, they talk about, you know, not to use the word vibes again, chemistry when people meet you.
Sure.
You get a positive, a neutral, or a negative feeling from everybody you come in contact with.
If you think about the term charisma, for instance, I think that that is someone who consciously or even subconsciously has the ability to touch many people.
You know, they talk about somebody walking into a room and lighting it up.
I think that the soul, again, that's why I tie it into the soul, because when body dies, and I don't know if any of your viewers out there have ever seen a freshly dead body.
Yes, when you look at a dead body, it is like a wax figure.
There is no anima.
There is no spirit happening there at all.
I had the, I guess the chance, I guess is the best word I can use, to actually witness my mother die.
It's been almost a year to today.
I walked into the room, or I should say I tried to walk into the room, and was almost thrown back by what I saw because I was able to see her aura literally falling apart.
It was like cheese cloth.
It became, you know, wholly W-H-you know, O-L-Y.
It had just holes in it.
It was starting to evaporate even as I looked at it.
And I knew that she would be dead within the day.
And I had just come back from a trip to Europe, and I didn't even know she was in the hospital.
I went to the nurse, and she said, oh, no, no, no, she's going to be up from walking around next week.
We'll do that hip surgery next week.
And it was just that we punctured the lung and we were trying to put her under for the hip surgery.
Well, we just had to postpone that for a week.
And I said, you know, have you looked at her?
And she says, yeah, we look at her all the time.
I said, no, no, have you looked at her?
She isn't going to be here next week.
In fact, she's not going to be here this time tomorrow.
Well, everything, even inanimate objects, has an energy field around them.
that the human energy field is so vibrant and so complex and so multifaceted, I think due to this indwelling spirit, that when it leaves, when the spirit departs, what you have is the same level of aura that you get off of your kitchen table.
In other words, it's for all intents and purposes inanimate.
It is claimed that many things can be discerned by viewing an aura.
The person's mental or physical states and condition, their emotional state and condition, and probably a whole list of things that I'm sure you could give me that I'm not aware of.
And here's what I imagine.
Tell me if I'm right or wrong, or maybe you don't even know.
I can only imagine that people began seeing auras or Kirlian photography was done, and that in effect they back-engineered the knowledge.
In other words, you look at an aura, you are basically aware of a person's physical or emotional condition, and you make note.
And they're happy, the aura is in one configuration, they're unhappy, it's in another.
And so that's the way I could imagine you would come up with how to read an aura.
The interesting thing as far as the colors that you see, that you can rely on for literally hundreds of years of what so-called the mystics or the Swamis, whatever you call it, over in the eastern part of the world, over in Asia, where they've been doing this for hundreds, if not thousands of years.
They kind of, over the years, have been able to tell us that the colors actually relate to certain parts of the body.
And through all these years of experimentation and knowledge gained by just having done it, we pretty much know that the colors represent certain vibrational rates.
I mean, obviously, what is color, but it's vibration that our eyes pick up the same way that our ears pick up vibration, you know, musical notes.
There's actually a corollary between the color and a certain area of The body, of course, the Indians call it chakras.
And for your listeners who aren't used to that term, it literally means in Sanskrit, the word chakra means spinning wheel.
And the mystics claim that they can see the actual areas, the vortices, the vortexes on the body that literally vibrate and spin in a particular way.
But what I'm trying to do is kind of demystify this and demythologize it, if you will, and get it away from the clairvoyant aspect of things, get it away from metaphysics, because it's not clairvoyance, it's just buoyance.
It's not metaphysics, it's just physics.
You can actually see on the body, for instance, if someone has a chronic pain or some kind of debilitating illness, let's say they've got a hip problem, if you look at them, once you get used to seeing the energy field,
you'll see a reddish ball, kind of almost like a flashing light, if you will, coming out in a half-moon shape from the side of the hip, for instance, that has the problem.
So, you know, you can see where there is illness in the body.
If you've got a general kind of a systemic problem, the aura tends to take on a grayish or maybe kind of a putrid grayish-green color, and it will look depleted.
I mean, you will look as if it's almost like the color of phlegm.
And it's gotten to the point where when I teach this as I do around the world now, I've been pretty much a lot of different places, the book's out, and they tell me, Llewellyn tells me it's in 12 languages.
They just shipped me my first copy in Indonesian, for instance.
Well, again, for thousands, for hundreds at least, if not thousands of years, they've been doing it in India, China, Tibet, you know, all those Oriental-type places.
And in the West, we have relied so much on the machine, I guess, to do all the work for us.
That I'm sure before there was any media at all, a couple of thousand years ago, people were sitting around in the grass huts, and as, you know, excuse the pun, an enlightened person walked by, you know, one's ribbing the other going, hey, get a load of the aura on that one.
That's basically what my next book is about, is trying to get some of the humanity back into it.
Although, I got to give them credit.
You know, you hit them over the head with a 2x4 often enough, and they start to pay attention.
You know, right here where I'm calling from, Falls Church, Virginia, I mean, I'm right next door to the National Institutes of Health in Vesta, Maryland.
Your tax dollars at work, a lot of mainline medical schools and even medical government institutions have devoted millions of dollars in just the last couple of years to research these alternative medical therapies.
And it's amazing what they're finding.
For instance, here's your tax dollars of work at the National Institutes of Health Alternative Medical Center.
They have found that if you pray, for want of a better term, but if you send this loving energy, if you will, to petri dishes filled with slime mold, the slime mold that gets prayed for or loved, if you will, grows three to four times faster than Petri dishes that don't get prayed for.
So something is definitely happening, and it is, again, it's a measurable effect.
Some of your listeners may remember or know about the kind of the landmark study that was done out in San Francisco General Hospital in 1986, where they had heart patients.
They had 24 of them, 12 of them.
And nobody even knew this test was going on.
It was a scientifically run double-blind study.
They had a prayer group, I believe it was in New York City, of a dozen people from different faiths and healing traditions praying for 12 of those heart patients.
And the 12 who did not get prayed for, they had two deaths, four secondary onsets of the same heart disease, and everyone got better at a regular or a slow rate of recovery.
Of the 12 who got prayed for, nobody died.
There was no secondary onset, and they got better about twice to three times quicker than the group that did not get prayed for.
I have no idea, but I mean, you're absolutely right.
I'll tell you this.
If I was dying, that's what I'd go for.
And that's what I would want.
And so that tells you how strongly I believe it.
Now, I will get a lot of angry faxes that will say, why do you dodge around it?
Why don't you talk about it?
It's the power of God.
Maybe it is.
I just, that's where I begin to ask questions.
I don't know.
It's a power.
People who are very strong religious types with great faith in the God of the Bible as exactly as written in the Bible will demand that you say that that power comes from there.
Well, Art, the only thing I can tell you is that every religion, and I think religions are great, don't get me wrong, but every religion is man's cultural attempt in that particular culture.
I don't care whether it's in the Middle East or in Asia or in, you know, the Bible Belt down south.
Everybody wants to put God in a bottle and put that bottle on their altar in their church.
And I got to tell you, I studied to be a priest.
I had a near-death at birth experience, which I talk about in the book.
In fact, that's how I know Daniel Brinkley.
That's how I know Raymond Moody.
Dr. Moody wrote the foreword to this book.
And I met him, oh gosh, probably 10 years ago now, down in Huntsville, Alabama, where I still have a house.
And he basically helped me understand that these things that I had had, I've had seven near-death or out-of-body experiences.
I had one at birth.
In fact, that's how I ended up getting trotted out on all the TV shows.
I think that when you have the near-death experience, the fact that it is a trauma-induced movement happens to push you further faster than probably 80% or more of the people who just have a spontaneous out-of-body experience.
If I had not had a near-death experience as well as seven spontaneous out-of-body experiences, I would want to say that it's the same thing.
It's really not.
But it's very similar.
And on the last spontaneous out-of-body experience, the seventh one, if you will, that I had when I was 21 years old, they stopped abruptly after 21 for some reason.
But I had one near death at birth, and then fifth grade, eighth grade, ninth grade, twelfth grade, and then in college.
And all of these things having been brought up in a strict Catholic background, this is what I thought the nuns meant when they said, you boy and girls will know when you have a vocation for the priesthood or, you know, become nun.
I thought this is what they meant when they said, you know, this is a vocation.
Sure, because, I mean, these are such other capital O experiences that they kind of rock your boat to such a degree that it wasn't until Ray Moody's book came out that literally, you know, he tagged that, you know, near-death.
He's the father of the NDE.
I mean, he called them near-death experiences.
And when I read that, I said, oh my gosh, this is what I've had.
This is not a call to the priesthood.
So after spending five and a half years as a candidate to become a Jesuit priest, I realized that this was not what I was truly being called to do, that I'd had another capital O kind of experience, which we now call near-death experience, and out-of-body.
But the last out-of-body that I had was actually witnessed by my roommate in college.
And he was a complete disbeliever, agnostic, if not in fact atheist.
And I think that they put us together as roommates because we used to argue philosophy and theology points till wee hours in the morning.
And it was during one of those conversations that all of a sudden I went out.
And it was only when he started screaming at me that I came back because this time, not only did I hover at the top of the room, and then I left, I went through the ceiling, through the building, out of the planet, out of the solar system.
And then all of a sudden, the same thing that happens when you have the near-death experience happen, the focus no longer is a downward-looking focus.
It is an upward and outward focus toward the light.
And that was the time, it was kind of like the perfect circle for me because I'd had the initial experience toward the light, And then this last spontaneous out of body, I went back to the light again.
And it's just the most warm, wonderful, phenomenal experience you can imagine.
And it's so reassuring because it, in no uncertain terms, reminds us that we are all sparks from the divine, that we all have this indwelling divine thing with us.
And when you come back from those kind of experiences, and Dr. Moody says this too, like 99% of the people that have these experiences, denominational religion ceases to become so important to them anymore, but their spirituality content or the spirituality aspect of their life shows up exponentially.
So for all of those people that send you the nasty faxes.
Once again, here I am and my guest, of course, Mark Smith.
Very, very interesting program on auras and more, I guess we ought to say.
His book is Auras.
See them in only 60 seconds.
and we'll pick up on that exact book title in a moment.
The End All right, if you will get a piece of paper and a pencil ready, we will tell you shortly how to get this book, Oras, See Them in Only 60 Seconds, by Mark Smith, my guest.
I've wanted to kind of lay the groundwork for what you're going to hear, and I think we have just about done that.
However, Mark, before I ask you how we actually see Ores, I've got two faxes here, and I would like you to react to both of them.
I'm curious how you're going to react.
One is from an atheist in Louisiana named Mark.
And he says, Art, oh, come on.
The power of prayer?
Prayer is for the feeble-minded.
All you need to do is believe in yourself.
Now, that's, in a lot of ways, a fairly challenging facts to react to.
On the one hand, it's easy to react and say he's out of his mind with regard to the power of prayer or prayer at all, but he's not exactly saying that.
He's saying it doesn't have a thing to do with God.
All you need to do, he says, is believe in yourself.
You want to go out on a limb and agree or disagree with that?
And I've got to say that one of the things that you learn early on in doing any kind of energy work, whether you want to call it whatever name you want to put on it, is you need to open up your own energy centers, if you will.
I mean, all the answers are within us.
We don't have to go outside to find them.
But there is a connection that I really can't stress strongly enough, and this is where I would say you might not be exactly on the money, and that is that there is definitely a connection cosmically that we all have, and we are all interlinked, if you will, and tied into this for want of a better word.
You said earlier, the love of God or the divine spark or the great unison, you know, whatever, you know, the unity theory.
I don't know how you can ever prove the existence of this or disprove it, but I will tell you that I have never met anyone who's had a near-death experience who does not believe that we all have some of the divine spark within us.
That having been said, it's worth noting here that a certain percentage of NDE experiencers, probably larger than reported or known publicly, have come back and said they had a terrible, hellish experience.
The ones that I've talked to that have had that experience basically found that they had a problem not getting close enough to the light.
They were withheld from getting all the way to it.
Or they had a terrible experience because they were turned back, so to speak, and sent away.
One lady that I know that had tried to commit suicide as a young child, when she had her near-death experience during a suicide attempt, she was kind of put in the penalty box, if you will, and said, you know, don't do that.
You're not supposed to, you know, you may get to pick the time you come in, but you don't get to pick the time you leave.
And I got to say that of all the people I've talked to that have had negative experiences about it, I don't know that I've ever met one or talked to one that's Talked about hell in the sense that we kind of talk about hell in Western religion.
It's more a sense of they could not get to the love, they couldn't get to the light, they were in some way incapacitated from experiencing that love and that warmth.
His first NDE, before he'd done, quote, anything worth a damn in his life, was that he did get to experience all of the pain and the suffering that he had inflicted on other people.
And it is amazing that they talk about, you know, sort of cliché, your life passes, you know, before your eyes.
Yes.
And you get to see both positive and negative things.
And if you have led a, quote, hellish life, when that happens to you, you get to relive it in excruciating detail.
Well, I have some of that to do, and I guess we all do.
Here's the second facts that I would like you to react to.
It's by an author of a book himself.
His name is Dick.
He says, as to humans, the aura is a combination of a living person's subtle energy fields, the dominant one being the etheric energy.
Each of the energy centers or chakras project an energy field.
The energy fields from the chakras interwine with the lower chakras having a lower energy field strength and the higher chakras having a higher field strength.
We humans walk around in our auras, but we are generally unaware of it.
What I do is to amplify auras to allow persons to be aware that they are more than their physical body.
I do this by placing my hands beside their heads and move them in and out until I connect with their etheric field, usually a half to one inch from the head.
When this occurs, my crown chakra opens and energy flows in from the cosmos and down my arms, resonating their aura to a higher frequency and field strength.
Under the influence of, get this now, psychoactive substances, I see auras on humans, plants, animals, and rocks.
I amplify my aura with crystals, gemstones, and pure gold.
I've studied with several energy healers.
Now, that begins to sound a little new agey to me.
And he brings up psychoactive drugs.
Would you care to comment on psychoactive substances?
Now, that's a very controversial thing to ask you to comment on, I know.
Well, gosh, we could spend the whole show just talking about that.
But I will say that when I first, you know, was told, in fact, it was Jerry Garcia, Grateful Dead, you know, was like, hey, I can show you how to CNR.
I was like, yeah, what are you on?
And he said, no, no, no, no, no.
I'm serious.
And he just grabbed a roadie and grabbed him, put him up against the wall.
And we were looking at him.
And I was like, what am I on?
I thought I was absolutely straight as an arrow here.
And I got to say, I come from a very conservative background.
Obviously, I studied to be a priest.
My whole family's in the military-industrial complex or somewhere.
I'm the white sheep in the family.
I'm the only one who doesn't have a polygraph clearance.
But the bottom line is you do not need to have any drug to see the aura.
And I think that what the drugs do is maybe allow you artificially to experience things that hopefully you can, you know, for those people who do that type of thing, that they can then learn how to do without the use of the drugs.
But I am a strong champion of don't, you know, don't go there.
Don't do drugs, but you do acknowledge that for some people, there may be a channel.
No question.
I interviewed last week Terence McKenna.
You know that?
And I took a lot of heat for that, but that's okay.
Terence is a very, very interesting individual who, according to the amount of drugs, psychoactive drugs he's taken in his lifetime, should be by now a total vegetable, but he is quite the opposite.
He's extremely articulate.
Now, and that doesn't mean I'm saying that people ought to take drugs either.
It just means that I'm not sure that we are told the total truth about drugs in general.
A lot of drugs are terrible for you, but maybe others aren't so terrible.
Well, all I know is that many, many people that I know and grew up with, I was a little bit too young to really have lived through the 60s.
I was really more a child of the 70s, if you will.
But same thing.
I know a lot of people that should have been dead many times over and are actually pretty enlightened individuals.
I mean, of course, there's a Timothy Leary scion, and I guess that's, you know, he was a brilliant guy and used drugs, particularly LSD, to get to certain places that, and he said himself,
you know, it would be wonderful if we could get there without the use of these drugs, but once you get there, you realize there's a whole other realm, a whole other series of possibilities that you can explore that the human mind and psyche are capable of getting into.
And I don't discount anybody's experience, whether it's through prayer or drugs or anything like that.
Exactly.
But I really, you know, and what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to get everybody, and I mean everybody, straight arrow people, you know, to be able to see this so-called, you know, metaphysical or clairvoyant event.
Okay, for those of you listening at home, kids, try this at home.
Stand, get someone that you want to look at, or you can do this in the mirror.
You can look at yourself in the mirror and see your own aura.
But it's probably a little bit easier when you're first starting.
Get someone to stand about 18 inches in front of a white or at least a neutral colored wall.
Get them to breathe deeply, rock gently from side to side.
I'll explain why you do that in a minute.
But get them to rock gently from side to side.
And you, the viewer, stand at least 8 to 10 feet away from them.
And don't look at them.
Look past the perimeter of their body at the white wall behind them.
And you want to be really focusing on that wall.
Look at the texture of the paint on that wall or the wallpaper.
And be very aware of where their body stops and the air begins.
And as you continue to stare at the wall for 20 seconds, 30 seconds, you will start to notice that there is a, not a dark shadow around them, a light shadow.
There is a luminous area anywhere from a quarter of an inch to an inch.
That's the etheric aura that the Second Facts person talked about.
But get that etheric aura in your eye because you want to look at it.
You want to look past it, not at it.
So cut them out like a two-dimensional cardboard figure.
When you first start to see it, though, you, listeners/slash viewers, will notice that it will go away.
And the reason is because you have focused back on the foreground.
It's like, oh my gosh, there's something.
And you try to focus on it.
The secret here is don't look at the figure.
Continue to let your eyes drift past the outline of the body.
Continue to focus on the wall.
And you'll notice that as the person rocks gently from side to side, you'll notice that this white or silver, or might even see yellow or gold, envelope or halo moves with them.
This is not retina burn.
This is not afterglow.
This energy field is visible and it moves and stays right with the body as they move back and forth.
That's why I have your rock.
And if you think about every picture in every religion, how do they depict the holy people?
They depict them with light around them, with halos.
All right, I can think of another way that you could do a superbly interesting controlled test, and that would be to gather together a group of people who see auras, have one individual present themselves in any test manner you would suggest, and then have the people who have read the auras all go into different rooms and write down what they saw.
You will get 80 to 90, maybe 100% correlation in what people who are first-time viewers see when they see art.
If somebody's got a bright, large aura, maybe it's yellow or gold, people will write that down.
Green, they'll see green.
Blue, they'll see blue.
There's a tremendous, and I do this, I even, the way I start my class is I take a piece of paper and I say, I'm going to write down my color, and I'm going to give it to this person sitting right in front of me.
So you'll know that I'm not kidding you.
I looked in the mirror before I came on, and this is the color I'm sporting today, folks.
So when I show you how to see my aura, those of you who see color, and I do, I start them at the beach.
But if you're home alone and don't have anybody to look at, check it out in the mirror.
If you've got a white background behind you or a clear wall behind you, as you look in the mirror, stand about 18 inches in front of that mirror and make sure that whatever's behind you is at least two feet behind you.
And again, don't look at yourself.
And that's tough to do when you're looking in the mirror because everybody's used to checking themselves out as they comb their hair, put on their makeup or shave or whatever.
And by focusing past the person, you change your focal length far enough that you'll notice that there is this fuzzy silver or whitish envelope that surrounds the body.
And if you look past the head and shoulders, almost like a butt, if you just look from the top of the shoulders and the head area, you'll see it.
Yeah, any living thing has much more energy than your desk.
In fact, one of the best things to do is look at the auras of plants.
Interesting little thing.
If you take a little dense shrubby plant like the bonsai plant, put it on a white tablecloth, ambient lighting, you look at the tablecloth, not at the shrub itself or the plant itself.
And as you look past it, you'll see this fuzzy, chartreusey green envelope around it.
You take a glass of red wine, put it next to the plant, and not white wine, not water, red wine, and in a thin-walled glass, the aura of the plant will actually perk up a little bit, and the part of the plant's aura that's nearest to the glass of wine will actually expand and move toward the glass of wine.
You take a magnet and do this little bar magnet or circular magnet from your refrigerator, and put it near the aura of the plant, and it will literally completely dissolve the aura.
There is a spiritual Characteristic that is in every living organism, and the fact that the human organism is, at least, as far as we know, the most complex and advanced bioenergy field on this planet, at least, again, that we know.
It is a lot easier to see the aura around a human than it is around an animal.
But it's also easier to see the aura around a cat than it is around your desk.
Everything has an aura, but the human aura is the easiest and most complex.
In other words, animals, for example, if you were to look at a monkey or a gorilla, which is said to have a higher level of awareness or intelligence, I'm not exactly sure the word I should use.
Would you see more of an aura as you move toward the top of the line, the food chain, the human being?
I passed out in a store once during Christmas shopping because I just couldn't handle all the energies back in high school before I knew what was really going on energetically.
But you can actually protect yourself.
There are meditations and visualizations you can go through that will actually at least greatly retard the ability of these so-called energy vampires to go out after you and, again, consciously or subconsciously drain your energy away.
So the answer to your friend in Toronto there is, yes, being on TV and being in the public spotlight builds your charisma.
I mean, you take on the energy and the flip side of the energy vampire are the people who get all this adulation.
In fact, in Toronto, we did it for the first time live on the Deanie Petty Show.
She's kind of the Oprah of Canada.
And we got the camera guys to actually set up their cameras so that they had them against a white background.
And she got up, I got up, and we pulled the person out of the audience.
And you can see it if the lighting is right, and it's a very high-resolution video camera.
It does not seem to come across on film, however.
On like a Super VHS or a very high resolution video camera, yes, you can see it.
In fact, there was a video done of me doing a lecture in a bookstore, a book signing.
And as I was working around the energy field of this woman, I bring a white screen with me, a slide screen, but the people are the slides.
We bring people up from the audience and everybody gets a chance to look at them.
Well, this one lady was complaining of a cold, and I said, well, see if you can feel my energy as I pass my hands around but not touching you, because I want to try to send you some energy.
Well, and it's right there on the film.
You can see an orange to yellow golden ball of energy coming out of my hand, not my forearm, which is also exposed.
In other words, and I had this video analyzed at ComSat Labs here in Gaithersburg, Maryland.
And they went down to the pixel level and they said, nope, that is not a video effect.
That is actually light emanation coming out of your hand.
Everybody should understand That what we have described tonight to help you see auras very quickly is a very simple elementary test to show you that you can do it.
Yeah, it took me three days when I first learned how to do it 20 years ago before I saw my first color.
But once you learn how to see color, it's like riding a bicycle.
You'll be able to do it at will whenever you want to do it.
And it's a natural ability we all have.
And what this book hopefully does, besides give you the ability to see it, is what you do with that knowledge once you get a hold of it.
And 1-800, The Moon, and you can order the book.
And it's the first book that I'm aware of that doesn't get into the mystical with it or get into the clairvoyant aspects of it.
This is something everybody has.
Everybody's got an aura, and everybody can see it.
And it's something that it's an ability that I would love to see us be able to recapture.
I think we've let it and other things that we are capable of atrophy over time.
And as I was saying earlier, I believe that, you know, before there was any media, people were using the ability to see R as a defense mechanism as well.
I think when we were, you know, more primitive in the hunter-gatherer situation, we used a lot more of our senses.
Science tells us that 25,000 years ago, man's ability to smell was as acute as any dog's sense of smell is today.
And look at how much we've lost in that regard.
The ability to see ours is an ingrained, you know, I almost hate to use the word God-given gift that we can.
Is there a chance that you would wake up, sort of stagger in the morning way we all staggered in the mirror, take one look and say to hell with this and call in sick?
When you're about to get ill, the illness will manifest itself in the energy field 24 hours to three days in advance of it actually hitting the body.
There are some cancers that can be seen in the R field for up to a year before they show up in medical tests, lymphoma being chief among them.
So it's definitely something from a health viewpoint that once you get used to doing it every day, women all over the country tell me that it really is very helpful for them as far as just color coordinating.
There was this whole thing called Color Me Beautiful about 10 years ago where depending on your hair color, skin color, eye color, you know, you were either a summer person or a winter person or a fall person, and you were supposed to wear colors accordingly.
And I can't tell you the number of women that told me that didn't really work for them because it didn't take into account their most important color, which is their auric color.
And when you learn to see that, you can actually surround yourself with colors that are harmonious to your true color, which is your auric color.
Now, what you discern in the simple test you gave us as the auric color, if somebody actually manages to see color, is not in any way influenced by the color of the garment they have on.
Well, that destroys the argument of those who will say you're just mixing your peripheral vision and seeing a blur and you're seeing some color left over from it.
If that were true, then you would see a blurring in your peripheral vision of the color they were wearing, wouldn't you?
In fact, that's a test I also do in the classes I teach.
I usually wear a neutral color, tan or a light, almost straw colored jacket.
And if someone is wearing a really bright color when they come up to the front and we take a look at them, I will, first of all, we'll take a look at them with their red or bright green or bright yellow shirt on.
And 90% of the time, the color in the aura does not match the color that they're wearing.
Certainly if they're wearing red, almost nobody has red in their aura unless they've got an illness.
But anyway, I take the jacket then and drape it across the front of them so that it blocks out the color.
And it does not change our perception of the color that they emanate.
And that is that it deals with an orbit of the electron around the proton of atoms.
It actually spans out some 21 centimeters.
And the writer of this article said that any solid object would have a field around it, and that living objects, since they're bioelectric, would have an energized field.
You're Basically, just reinforcing everything we talked about tonight.
It is measurable, it is a field outside of the body or outside of any substance, but the bioelectrical energy that we have as humans is so complex that it gives you this rainbow effect in the colors.
And science has, quote, discovered it now.
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Well, yeah, I mean, if you're sick, it's going to affect the electrical flow of your bioelectrical metabolism, and that's going to make the field around you, and it's going to show up.
I'll read you one in a moment from a geologist I know, and you probably know too, named Jim Berkland.
The End All right, my guest is Mark Smith, and the reaction to him is very positive.
There is a fellow that I interview from time to time, an expert, Jim Birkland, who, as a matter of fact, has been the only official geologist for a California county in the history of California counties.
And he writes the following to you, Mark, feeling a bit foolish.
I mean, he's a geologist after all.
I tried the aura bit in front of the bathroom mirror.
Within 30 seconds, I saw my aura bordering my head and shoulders, but not around a can of hairspray that I held next to my head.
The color was lemon yellow.
It was about an inch wide, but something bulged out to about six inches.
But that's really where I want to take this ultimately, is to the point where you can first see the auric field, then feel it.
And that's how you do the healing, is by literally running your hands through the auric field, feeling where there is dis-ease.
And after doing four basic exercises that I teach you in this book Coming up, the book coming up, you'll be able to, it's like flipping a light switch.
You can change the polarity in the energy field of the person you're working on, and the body is then allowed to heal itself.
After 20 years being away from home, I went back to my hometown and went to the cemetery to visit my grandparents and my father and aunts and uncles that were buried there.
I took it to a spiritualist, and she, couldn't believe what she was saying, she told me that that was called the power of light, that this was like she has never seen anything.
This is something that you see, a picture of a picture, not like a real picture that she was holding in her hand.
Mark, I guess it's worth asking, and that is, there are, after all, pretty substantial reports of ghosts, poltergeists, lingering remnants of either a soul trapped on earth,
to use your earlier term, or a sort of a horrible, repetitive echo of what was.
It's really hard to say, but there are certainly lots of indications that there are people who seem to leave behind an echo on Earth, one that is occasionally observed by people or perhaps even photographed.
Do you want to venture into that territory at all?
I got to tell you that I was an absolute, complete disbeliever in any of this stuff until, as I was saying at the very beginning of the show, I watched my mother die.
And I got to tell you that after she passed on, and by the way, my sister lives out there in El Paso where your caller just called from.
So I hope my sister's listening here.
But the long and the short of it is she came to visit me twice after she died.
And what I felt with my mother was I could smell her when she came into the room.
She was actually in my car once when I was driving, and that was very freaky.
And another time in my bedroom, and it was just like she was in the room and trying to comfort me before the funeral.
And she had always asked me to play for her funeral, and you know, at the funeral mess.
And I firmly believe that she stuck around just to see if I would play this song.
And at the end of the song, at the end of the ceremony, I kind of banged on the guitar three times because in primitive cultures, you release the spirit from the world by hitting drums that have little bells attached to it.
And I did this technique on the guitar called timbre, playing a harmonic.
And it was kind of a high-pitched sound along with the drum sound.
And something kind of jerked my head and made me look over at the casket.
And as I finished playing the song and hit those last three notes on the guitar, I got to tell you, I saw her leave.
And she was not at the grave site.
It was really like she stuck around to see if I'd really play the tune for her.
And I got no sensation of her being there at all.
And when my father died, I got no sensation of him being there at all.
I mean, when he left, he was gone.
But with mama, she definitely was hanging around.
And even when she died, I felt her presence in the room, at the top of the room, the wax effigy that was sitting in front of me that was her body.
Obviously, you know, she had departed it, but I got this sense that she was very confused and disoriented and still in the room.
And I literally spoke to her, you know, because having been out of body myself seven times, I knew where she would be hanging out, so to speak.
And I said it was okay.
She could leave now.
And I got to tell you, this was not anything that would have been believable to me before now.
And so your caller, I think, was very fortunate and lucky to be able to get on film a very, and I don't know how rare an occurrence it is, but there are people that study this and made life sense.
That is Joe Slate for one.
He's another Lou Ellen author.
But apparitional experiences are probably a lot more common than people would want to.
I do know the name, and if I'm not mistaken, is she not part of, it's like, I don't want to say the skeptical inquirer, but isn't she part of a group of doctors that do research into claims of paranormal things with alternative medicines?
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Right.
She's a retired professor from UCLA, right?
And since she's retired, she's doing research now into the energy fields, right?
And she has a book out that's Infinite Mind, Science of Human Vibration and Consciousness, right?
And anyway, I didn't know if you might be familiar with her and some of her research.
She's actually got the scientific proof of the energy fields, like the aura and some of the experiments you talked about.
Yeah, I think Valerie's claim to fame was that she started off skeptically and researched this.
And in her book, she does provide kind of surprising scientific evidence that actually supports a claim she was expecting to refute, if I'm not mistaken.
And when you are opening up as a conduit for this energy, whether it's through bioenergy therapy, therapeutic touch, or prayer, you will, I mean, it's kind of like the current flowing through the wire.
I'd like to look at it in terms of conduit because I think that you are able to, if you can open up to it, because it's all around us, Art.
I mean, it's everywhere.
And if you allow yourself to be open and untainted, so to speak, in other words, the more open the aperture, literally the less friction there is as the energy passes through.
There's always going to be that heat aspect.
But when you have an extreme amount of heat, that means you're resisting it somewhat.
But to answer your question, I think that it's both.
I think that you have to have some level of this energy within yourself.
We all do.
And everybody has a different, you know, individual and unique amount.
But you also let the overall kind of global energy, if you will, or cosmic universal energy, flow through you.
And what that does is it amplifies your own energy that you have.
And that's why your hands get hot.
And that's why you're able to do the healing.
So it's both.
You have the energy, you link up to it, you open up to it, and as it flows through you, it amplifies like quantumly over what your own power would be.
Mark, this has been a remarkable two and a half hours with you, and I have a feeling that we could have done 10 more hours before ever running out of material period.
Well, so I'm going to have to have you back on again.