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March 9, 1998 - Art Bell

02:00:50

Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Steve Gibbs - Time Machine Inventor. Chris Ruddy - Death of James McDougal

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	A local prison official says that whitewater figure James McDougal was in solitary confinement when he died Sunday of an apparent heart attack.
	McDougal, who had a history of medical problems, was placed in, quote, administrative detention, unquote, Saturday night because he had refused to give a urine sample as part of random drug testing.
	But the prison spokesman says solitary confinement was safe for McDougal because inmates there are checked on every 30 minutes.
	Here is investigative reporter Chris Ruddy who works for, it's a Pittsburgh Tribune Review, isn't it?
	It is the Pittsburgh Tribune Review.
	Also author of the strange death of Vincent Foster.
	Available in bookstores everywhere.
	Maybe we'll have a sequel.
	Well, look, I'm going to play the devil's advocate a little bit here.
	McDougal was a sick guy, right?
	Well, look, I always play the devil's advocate as well.
	That's the job of a press.
	You want me to be the conspiratorial guy?
	I can do that.
	I thought we were both the conspiracy nuts.
	What are we doing up at this hour?
	So, hey Chris, how did they murder McDougal?
	I mean, we all know they did it.
	It was some sort of strange drug that they slipped him.
	We all know they can do that.
	Induces heart attacks, boom, just like that.
	So what's the story, Chris?
	Well, I don't know if McDougal was murdered or not.
	I'm going to assume the story that we've been told by the government.
	However, I believe there should be a full investigation, just as there would be in any case.
	Art, if you took any case where there was a major criminal prosecution, and one of the key witnesses suddenly dies of a heart attack, even though he might have had some illnesses, two weeks after a major witness turned that was corroborating apparently parts of his story, That's Governor Tucker, just turned apparently two weeks ago and agreed to corroborate with Starr.
	And he dies on the anniversary, six years to the day, March 8, 1992, when the scandal first breaks in the New York Times, when Jeff Gerth, a reporter for the Times, reports that the Whitewater scandal could hurt the Clintons and has all sorts of allegations.
	From a person named James McDougal.
	Alright, there's a skeptic in me for a second.
	Let's say, for example, that you were going to have McDougal offed in jail.
	Okay?
	The last time you would do it would be on the anniversary of when it all began.
	Well, I wouldn't jump to that conclusion.
	I think that... I mean, unless you're really arrogant.
	Well, look, again, I want to assume that this is a heart attack, but let's play the devil's advocate.
	Oftentimes when organized crime, for example, does hit, they typically do hits where there's little signals.
	And when they do a hit where it doesn't look like a hit, they leave their fingerprints so that others in the circle know and have reason to believe that it's murder.
	And it's done to keep other people quiet.
	Like the IRS auditing high-profile folks, that kind of thing?
	Yeah.
	Same theory.
	Same theory, yeah.
	Screw with us and, you know, see what can happen.
	Well, this was part of the problem in the Foster case.
	And again, as you know, I've never said Vince Foster was murdered.
	But a number of people obviously have.
	There are people like Webb Hubble.
	Who was telling people on the night of Foster's death he was murdered.
	Right, but let's, you know, Foster's then and MacDougall is now, and I really want comments from you on MacDougall.
	Now let's get to, first of all, the audience should know what I know.
	And that is that now with MacDougall having died, the implication for the investigation is that any evidence that MacDougall gave can now not be used in court.
	Is that correct?
	That is correct.
	Grand jury testimony is considered hearsay when there's no cross-examination.
	It's inadmissible in court.
	Now again, McDougal was not a very strong witness standing alone.
	He lacked a lot of credibility.
	He had lied so many times.
	Maybe he had some documents.
	He was always talking about documents, but alone he was no good.
	Corroborating Jim Guy Tucker, the former governor of Arkansas, he would have been a very powerful witness.
	Where Tucker was corroborating him, the two of them could be very, very powerful.
	So even evidence as damning as a videotape interview with McDougal could not be introduced into evidence by Ken Starr in some subsequent prosecution of whoever it might be?
	No, because you can't cross-examine a videotape deposition, for example.
	So let's say there was a videotape of MacDougall.
	They wouldn't be able to use that.
	Congress would not be given, couldn't be given his secret grand jury testimony.
	Wow.
	To look at.
	So he's really, literally a dead witness.
	So his being gone, not only is he dead, but any evidence that he gave is dead as a doornail too, unless they can verify it through the next source, if he indeed pointed to one.
	Well, my sources that are close to this investigation are saying this has dealt a very, very serious blow to the investigation.
	And the reason it has is that the target of the investigation is Bill and Hillary Clinton.
	And the star was moving with McDougal's help apparently towards Hillary because she was the attorney for record for Madison Guarantee which was McDougal's bank.
	Went down to the tune of $60 million.
	I've always said, Chris, and I've always thought, that if there was going to be real legal trouble, it would probably be Hillary's.
	I've conjectured about that now for actually years.
	Well, Jim did not like Hillary.
	In fact, in my last conversation, I interviewed him several times.
	I interviewed him just before he went to jail, and I think he was the most candid.
	And he clearly indicated to me that he was not happy with Hillary Clinton.
	So, now here's the thing.
	Governor Tucker, from what I can see from the dealings that took place, was not dealing or working directly with the Clintons.
	What he knew about the Clintons, he knew through Jim McDougal.
	McDougal was sort of a nexus, was the conduit between Tucker, the Clintons, and others involved in this huevo scandal.
	Take McDougal out, And everything Jim Guy-Tucker says is just hearsay.
	Hearsay.
	I've got you.
	So this is a very, very serious blow, the death of MacDougall.
	Yeah.
	I mean, leave aside the issue, and there'll always be conspiracy theorists that'll question that death.
	It's sort of fortunate for the people that are being investigated here that this has taken place.
	Especially that there's talk that this is coming to a head now after all of this time.
	Did McDougal have a heart condition?
	He apparently had some heart problems over the years.
	I was speaking to him about his medical condition and he indicated to me that he had some medical conditions but it didn't sound like he was He was ready to have a heart attack or anything like that.
	He said that he was suffering from some psychological depression and things like that.
	Did he tell you of any previous heart condition?
	Not that I remember, no.
	Is there any medical record to indicate a previous heart condition?
	Well, I don't know of any.
	They've mentioned in the press reports that he had chronic circulatory And cardio problems.
	But there's no evidence that I know of that he had, let's say, a heart attack before this.
	All right.
	I heard, not in this Reuters story I read you tonight, but I heard that he died in a prison hospital.
	Is that accurate?
	Yeah, well, he was checking into a prison hospital.
	Was he in it when he died?
	Not that I know of.
	Well, actually, I believe he was in a prison hospital and then they transferred him to a private hospital in Fort Worth.
	Alright, what it says here, what it says, let me read the story again word for word and see what you think of it.
	A federal prison official says Whitewater figure James McDougal was in solitary confinement when he died Sunday of an apparent heart attack.
	McDougal, with a history of medical problems, doesn't say heart, was placed in administrative detention Saturday night because he had refused to give a urine sample as part of a random drug test.
	But the prison's, now that's important, the prison's spokesman says solitary confinement was safe for McDougal because inmates there are checked on every 30 minutes.
	Well, I guess it wasn't safe.
	Well, these medical facilities, the U.S.
	government has semi-hospitals where Where convicts that have medical problems live.
	But they usually don't have, let's say, the full medical facilities.
	They don't have operating rooms.
	Doctors 24 hours a day there.
	But they're for people that are not in intensive care, let's say, but people that have chronic conditions.
	So this is why, when they mention the prison, there are prison medical facilities.
	He was at one of them from the day he entered.
	The Federal Prison System.
	Because of his stated medical problems.
	Right.
	Which were apparently several.
	Which could be, you know, when you say circulatory, then that implies possible heart problems, constricted veins, that sort of thing.
	So it is reasonable to suggest that he might have had heart problems.
	Absolutely.
	And he was of the age where he could have had that.
	Um, was apparently under some stress.
	It's not easy at his age going to jail.
	That's right.
	He, um, had suffered several, uh, breakdowns apparently in the course of his life.
	He was how old when he died?
	Fifty-seven.
	Fifty-seven.
	Well, I guess that's in the range, but it's still a little on the young side.
	But on the other hand, he still is a key government witness.
	You become vulnerable if there are people that don't like you and you are a key witness.
	This is why.
	Take away the personalities here, Jim McDougal, the Clintons, and all of the other intrigue that we know of.
	In any case, you would do a full autopsy.
	You would do full toxicology.
	Sure.
	You would look for exotic drugs like ricin that could cause cardiac arrest.
	Why are they doing that?
	Well, as far as I know, they're doing an autopsy, and it's going to take about, they've done the autopsy, and they're going to take about two weeks to get the toxicology test.
	And they're reporting back he died of a heart attack, but you don't know until there's a full... Well, even then, I don't think you really know because these spooks, if you want to conjecture that it could have been something like that, have drugs that cause apparent heart attacks that I think cannot be detected under normal toxicology testing.
	Well, a couple of things here, and again, I know You sort of see the Foster thing as separate.
	I don't.
	I think that they're integral.
	Oh, I understand.
	MacDougall's a player.
	In fact, Foster and MacDougall are sort of ground zero for the Whitewater scandal.
	Jeff Girth in the New York Times First reports Whitewater, and then what really brings the scandal to a head is 1993, Foster's death, aides of the Clintons are running into Foster's office, allegedly removing Whitewater documents.
	The U.S.
	government, you and me, pay $30 million on, the rest of your listeners, for this major investigation into Foster's death that lasts over three years.
	They keep on saying suicide, suicide.
	They never tell us really why he died of a suicide.
	And what's astounding is I spoke to McDougal just before he left for prison.
	Yes.
	And he said to me off the record, and I'm revealing this now for the first time, now that he's passed away, I can do that.
	That what?
	He was never questioned about Foster, and he was absolutely shocked.
	What?
	Star never asked him about his relationship with Foster.
	That's hard to believe.
	I have him on tape.
	Oh, I understand.
	I definitely believe he said it.
	Hold on, we're at the bottom of the hour.
	It's hard to believe that Star would not ask McDougal about Foster.
	I mean, that's...
	That's really hard to believe.
	We'll be right back.
	...investigative reporter Chris Ruddy, who is on every friend of the White House list.
	Chris, welcome back.
	You know, Chris, while you never, ever, it's true, actually say the words, Vince Foster was murdered, or James McDougal was murdered, The clear implication going unsaid and between most of the lines that one hears from you is that you suspect that.
	Well, in the Foster case, all I have been saying, and this carries over to the McDougal case, we haven't really seen what the investigators or the authorities have done yet with McDougal.
	Right.
	And what I'm saying there is that the procedure should be followed.
	Normal procedures weren't followed with Vincent Foster.
	So this has given rise to conspiracy theories and to murder theories.
	Yeah.
	So does that mean that I'm saying it's murder because they didn't do some of the most basic things you need to do in a typical homicide investigation, also suicide Are supposed to be treated as homicides?
	I mean, I know you've been over all this a million times with me.
	I have no argument with that.
	And I agree with you.
	There are many, many anomalies.
	But what I'm saying is, you all but say it.
	No, I disagree completely with that.
	My job is to report the facts as a reporter.
	If two of the paramedics are reported officially in their reports that Foster was murdered, that is a story the public should know about.
	Webster Hubble on the night of his death was indicating it.
	That is a story the public should know about.
	If there's no explanation of where Foster was on the afternoon of his death, I think that's a gaping hole that the authorities should fill in for us.
	Foster was the Deputy White House Counsel, one of the highest officials in this country, and the cavalier way that they treated that investigation, I think is very, very dangerous to the rest of us Even if it was a suicide.
	Open and shut case.
	I'm not going to press you on the matter, but I insist that everything you say leads a casual listener to believe that you believe or are very suspicious that there was a murder.
	Well, certainly I wouldn't have written a whole book if I didn't think that the death was suspicious.
	But at the end of the day, Why is it the authorities spend 30 million dollars?
	We thought cases should be open and shut in a week.
	Alright, you think all of this is connected and I'm even going to bring it on up to the Monica Lewinsky business now.
	You told me something earlier today that I think is relevant when you consider McDougall's untimely passing and that would be That Linda Tripp, who has the tapes, allegedly, of Monica Lewinsky, is under guard.
	Linda Tripp's under guard?
	Well, absolutely.
	I had a meeting this week with someone that knows her very well, that's listened to 20 hours of tapes.
	Yes.
	And the person said that she's in a safe house in Maryland, not her normal house.
	A safe house.
	And there's a group of FBI agents sitting in A van outside her house.
	FBI agents.
	And what I pointed out today to you Art was that this is very similar to the situation where David Hale, who was the first cooperating whitewater witness.
	Judge Hale?
	Yeah, was under constant FBI guard for months while he was giving testimony, preparing to give testimony.
	For Fisk.
	So the FBI guard for Tripp is probably coming at behest, the order of Starr's office, because he does have FBI available, right?
	Exactly.
	So that's where it's coming from.
	Well, that's right.
	And he would be the one that would have to request it.
	But this is not done willy-nilly.
	They just don't Actually, it's very unusual for FBI agents even to be used, usually U.S.
	Marshals.
	So it shows that they're not even trusting the normal federal apparatus to do witness protection here.
	What about Monica Lewinsky?
	Is she under guard?
	Well, not that I know of, no.
	But then again, she's not a cooperating witness.
	Right, right.
	As a matter of fact, The late news on her, is it still that she is a target or likely to be a target of the investigation?
	Now, her lawyer said that he received a document, or he claims he has a document, saying that Starr named her as a target of the investigation.
	Do you know if that's true?
	Have you seen it?
	I haven't seen the letter, but I would suppose that she would be a target.
	In fact, I know there was a little debate within Starr's office And a number of his more experienced prosecutors thought he was crazy for even attempting to get her as a cooperating witness, because she's already got sort of tainted credibility.
	She claimed, for example, on part of the tapes, that she embellishes her lies.
	There's former school teachers claiming things about her.
	The White House can easily claim she's just a young woman who's embellishing her stories.
	Better, according to my people that are close to the investigation saying, put her in with Vernon Jordan and Bill Clinton, charge them all with being in a conspiracy to obstruct justice with the Paula Jones lawsuit.
	She's a much better... Now, how do you get that connection?
	Because they were going to take a deposition from her in the Paula Jones lawsuit?
	Well, no, because They were going to take a deposition of her in the Paula Jones lawsuit.
	Right.
	And that Clinton apparently had asked her, this is the allegation, to lie in that deposition.
	Vernon Jordan had instructed her to lie.
	This is alleged in those tapes.
	Okay, but everybody that you just named is denying it flatly.
	That's right.
	But if you have There's sufficient evidence, I'm told, where they could see some patterns of crimes.
	One is, she gave Linda Tripp a document of talking points for her deposition.
	Somebody apparently gave her that.
	Vernon Jordan was looking for a job for her.
	I know.
	This could be considered obstruction.
	Basically, hush money in the form of a job.
	Not unless you can prove it.
	Well, not unless you can prove it.
	I mean, Webb Hubble got a job, too.
	That's right, but if there's a pattern activity, a jury doesn't have to have one of them admit that that was done.
	If a jury thinks, and the prosecutors present a good case, that how unusual would be for a White House intern
	to have Vernon Jordan, the President's right hand, Attorney of Washington,
	going up and down the country looking for a job for this young lady.
	If he can't produce other White House interns where he's done this,
	he'd be in a little trouble.
	And of course there were a lot of meetings with Clinton.
	Yeah, but not legal trouble.
	I mean, it would show that clearly he had gone way out of his way for this young lady, and the questions would be why.
	Okay, but I'll play the devil's advocate.
	The answer to that is, well yeah, Clinton had a kind of a relationship with her.
	Everybody denies it was sex, so we're not going to prove that.
	He had kind of a thing and she definitely had a thing for him.
	So let's imagine that.
	Let's imagine they exchanged gifts.
	Let's imagine that... Well, you can imagine all kinds of things.
	You can imagine sex if you want to.
	I don't care.
	But what I'm saying is here, so far, until you get suborning perjury or uh... you know that somebody asking somebody to lie
	unless you got proof of that you're whistling in the wind well i don't like
	uh... maybe you are but the problem is that you have twenty hours of her on
	tape so it's going to be hard for her change your story and
	to a jury that she just embellished for twenty hours yeah but if i
	was a president's lawyer if i was a president's lawyer
	i'd say come on listen to the whole tape especially the part where
	she says she embellishes now you can disregard this entire thing
	yeah you can but then you have the problem of uh...
	there's according to new york times betty curry the president's own secretary
	has that cooperated with star And said that he instructed her and coached her what to say to investigators.
	That is criminal.
	Well, that should be a problem.
	It's not just one incident, Art.
	I agree with you that each one of those, when you look at them, but it's the overall pattern.
	And if they can prove that there's several lies, for example, on the sexual relations... Yeah, but you're still not there.
	I mean, the line, if it doesn't fit, you must have quit, works just fine here.
	Well, again, I don't know, not being a lawyer, but from what I understand, if you can show enough of a pattern of events, the statutes are fairly broad enough that a jury has a lot of leeway.
	Now, whether Starr would do that and actually bring indictments against these people is another question.
	There's not two sides given to a grand jury.
	Now, sure, Starr can go in there and probably, if he does his best, persuade a jury with a mountain of the kind of evidence you've been talking about tonight, that they ought to bring an indictment.
	He might get that done because you don't have both sides.
	But try taking that into a court and, baby, you're dead.
	Well, I don't know if you would be dead there.
	I don't think that this is going to happen.
	I don't think it's going to happen because I don't think Starr is a very tough prosecutor.
	And when this first broke, if you recall, I was on your program and I basically said, anybody that thinks this is going to lead to Clinton's resignation or a quick resolution of this, because Starr is at the helm, they don't bet the ranch, don't bet the farm.
	And sure enough, everything I said on those opening programs has come true.
	Um, and I think one of the reasons you have people like Trent Lott yelling about Star is that they know here's a guy that was given jurisdiction over Travelgate, over Filegate.
	He took a, you know, and again go back to Vince Foster, took three years on a case that should have taken a week.
	Trent Lott basically said to him, look, do your business or get off the pot.
	Right.
	Right.
	And, and that is completely Again, the Senators know.
	They know Star drags things out.
	Here's a guy that's making millions of dollars a year at his private practice, representing interests against the Clintons.
	He's represented interests for them, including the Chinese government.
	He was on their payroll for a while.
	Well, he tried to quit once.
	Oh, yeah.
	He even tried to quit once.
	Let's remember those circumstances.
	He says he's quitting.
	And then everybody complains about how he did it and how inappropriate it was.
	He did it on a holiday through the university.
	He didn't even tell his own deputies.
	So then he comes out and he gives a press conference and he says, well actually I'm going to stay because I never consulted with my own deputies on the status of my own investigation and I think I really ought to stay.
	I mean those literally were his words.
	So this is a guy Who says that he's devoted to this case and then he went through the embarrassing situation a couple of months ago of having, well, of having, no, the quitting took place in, what was it, early 96?
	That's right.
	But then he went through the embarrassing situation a few months ago where he had to reimburse the government for his apartment in Little Rock because he wasn't there.
	The maximum he was there in a whole year period was Was no more than three days a month.
	That's his main office.
	Yeah, all I was driving at was that if he's motivated to drag out the investigation and stay where he is, to make all the money, the millions, whatever, then why did he try to quit only under pressure of returning?
	Got any insight?
	Well, I think he was coming under a lot of criticism at that point.
	Well, how about now?
	I mean, that was nothing compared to this.
	Yeah, but now it would look really cowardly if he ran.
	I see.
	There was sort of a quiet criticism in Washington from both the right and the left, Carville on one side and then there started to be some murmurings in Congress at that time that was not, I mean, this was not the center of discussion every Saturday or Sunday during all the talk shows when he did resign.
	There was a, I guess he felt that the pressure had gotten enough and that he wanted to take a break, and then when he saw the, it was a firestorm of controversy when he resigned, he decided to stick it out.
	Now, who knows what he's going to do, but I think it would be a little bit difficult for him to resign.
	I think it would be a good thing if he did.
	I think it would be good to get somebody who has a clean slate, who's known as being impartial, Who doesn't have as much baggage.
	This guy has made so many faulty judgments.
	Another special prosecutor?
	Well, why not?
	Or does he quit and turn his evidence over to some sort of congressional committee?
	Well, he would literally have to close his investigation down.
	The grand juries would all have to issue reports.
	I don't know if he could do that at this point.
	What he would, because there are several cases ongoing, and the Arkansas Tucker thing, cooperation period is ongoing.
	What he would do is go back to the court and have a successor independent counsel appointed.
	And that's been done before with different independent counsels.
	And that would not be that unusual.
	So, he could do that and there wouldn't be any problem.
	And the new independent counsel could be up and running.
	There's no reason... He was the Whitewater independent counsel.
	And we've already discussed in this program, he never bothered, apparently, according to MacDougall, even looking at connections between Foster and Whitewater.
	That's crazy.
	And you pointed out you couldn't believe that.
	Well, we have all the documents, for example, from the Fisk investigation, and MacDougall wasn't even interviewed for the Fisk investigation when that's by the FBI.
	Really weird.
	And none of the colleagues of Foster were interviewed and questioned about Foster's connection with David Hale and Madison guarantee for that investigation.
	All right.
	And Chris, did you ever see all the President's men?
	I bet you did, or read the book, or probably both.
	Both, yeah.
	Of course.
	You remember during the course of that investigation that the editor of the Washington Post was under intense pressure to stop this whole thing?
	Intense pressure.
	The post, in the middle of it anyway, or when it was getting started to the middle, was getting slam dunked again and again and again and again, under a lot of pressure.
	Has your newspaper come under the same kind of pressure from this administration?
	Well, and just like during the Watergate period, the Post came under a lot of pressure from other press.
	Um...
	...
	...in review has been constantly attacked.
	Richard Mellon Scaife, the publisher of my paper, comes under frequent attack.
	It's as if somebody's very disturbed that there's one newspaper in the country that's taking a divergent view here on all of this.
	So yeah, I mean, there is a parallel.
	But no one seems to prove us wrong on anything.
	How about you?
	You've been audited lately?
	Well, the Western Journalism Center and Joe Farrar, they were audited.
	It was a very clear political audit.
	Mike McCurry, this is up at my website at RuddyNews.com, told the Washington Post that essentially I was the enemy number one.
	This is in January when we were breaking the Brown story.
	I know, I remember that.
	Enemy number one of the White House.
	Yeah, and they said that he clearly said he asked to identify a reporter they hated the most, and it was me.
	I'm sure it's true.
	And Howard Kurtz of the Washington Post called me up and he said, I never heard, in all the time I've covered Washington, this White House, or any White House, actually name someone like that.
	A reporter being singled out.
	The White House, for years, has been encouraging the press to do stories on uh... people they don't like and from one of them my
	publisher that is paper west journalism center
	and they had they turned over congressional document uh...
	uh...
	uh... three hundred thirty one page document the communication stream
	of conspiracy commerce and it was all about Vince Foster.
	They're very concerned about the Vince Foster case.
	Well, I appreciate that.
	You are still breathing, right?
	out of time, utterly out of time. So it's good to have you on the radio every now and
	then so the rest of America knows that you are still breathing.
	Well, I appreciate that.
	You are still breathing, right?
	I hope so. And I think that the Vince Foster case is going to be the next to continue to
	All right, my friend.
	Listen, we've got to scoot.
	Thank you very much for the update, and we'll have you on again.
	All right, you take care.
	All right.
	from the Tribune Review in Pittsburgh, that's Chris Ruddy.
	Chris Ruddy, KSTV.
	This is a video of Chris Ruddy singing the National Anthem.
	From the Kingdom of Nye, this is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
	First-time callers may reach Art at area code 702-727-1222.
	702-727-1222.
	Now, here again is Art.
	Once again, here I am, and hey, this is the kickoff night, everybody, for our guest credibility poll.
	As suggested by a caller last week, we should have a guest credibility poll on the website.
	Well, we've got it.
	You can only vote once.
	It'll throw your computer a cookie.
	That's a little thing that ensures that you only vote once.
	But aside from that, you can go off to my website.
	This is going to be a great night for it, too.
	We've got Steven Gibbs on, who makes time machines.
	And it's not a fly-by-night business, by any means.
	He's been making them for years.
	I interviewed him...
	Must have been a year ago, more maybe.
	And now I've got another reason to interview him.
	Somebody called last week and said he got his time machine and he discussed its use.
	Earlier today I heard from a fellow who has used Stephen Gibbs' time machine with success, he claims.
	And so Stephen is going to be a wonderful first use kind of guest for our Credibility Plus.
	Should be fun.
	Now, I ask that you not judge Stephen on his vocabulary.
	Stephen's a farm boy from Nebraska.
	He'll tell you about himself here in a minute.
	In fact, we'll ask him about his background.
	But rather, um, judge him on what he says about his machine, its workings, and all the rest of it.
	As you know, I am fascinated beyond belief with time travel.
	I believe time travel is possible.
	And I believe that, based on guests that I've had that are obviously of very high credibility, rating like Michio Kaku, theoretical professor of physics, one of the best in the country, and he certainly thinks it's going to be possible.
	Gonna take a lot of power, though, he says.
	So, in a moment, we enter the realm of the very unusual.
	Like we don't always do that, anyway, huh?
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	Huh.
	Might be some UFOs.
	Uh, no, no.
	8863, The Amazing C. Crane Company.
	Alright, now, here is a very, very unusual guy.
	I mean, there is no question about it.
	Steven Gibbs is a very unusual guy.
	Steven, welcome to the program.
	Oh, hello.
	Hi.
	Any idea where that might be coming from?
	Huh, might be some UFOs.
	Do you have a portable phone or something?
	Uh, no, no. I, um...
	I mean is it, do you have a light on over your phone?
	Uh, yeah.
	Let me turn it off.
	Okay.
	Does that help?
	No, it didn't make any difference.
	It could be the fact that, uh, I didn't mention.
	I'll tell you what.
	Move your phone a little bit.
	Can you do that?
	Yeah.
	Just move it.
	Something's affecting that phone.
	I got a coffee pot going, but I don't know if that would be the...
	What would interfere with it?
	It's just got hum on it.
	You don't have one of your machines running, do you?
	No.
	No.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	There, it's almost gone.
	Almost gone.
	Wherever you are.
	Stop there.
	There it is.
	All right.
	Now it's coming back.
	Steve, Nebraska.
	What do you do in Nebraska?
	That's pretty much what I'm doing now.
	You know, I'm building and selling these machines, and then I kind of help my mother out around the farm.
	You know, when I'm not busy doing that.
	So that's what I said.
	You grew up on a farm, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	You're where you've always been?
	Yeah, cows and chickens.
	Cows and chickens.
	Were you born there?
	At childbirth, and so I basically don't know who my real parents are, which is really a mystery.
	Uh, not if you, uh, want to use one of your machines.
	I'm sure you've considered.
	In some interest, um, a farm boy, born, raised, uh, adopted, I guess, and, uh, then raised on a farm, chickens, cows, the whole thing, suddenly, uh, suddenly claims to be, uh, Able to build a time machine.
	Now, how do you get from the cows and the chickens to a time machine?
	That's some interest to me.
	It's sort of kind of like passed me into the universal consciousness, which I speak of as the creator.
	And once you get passed into that, then the information is just added to you.
	When I first had you on, you told me you had a time travel catalog, and I thought, how cool, uh, and it is.
	I mean, to have a time travel catalog, even if you're not going to get a machine, uh, on your coffee table, I thought it'd be really cool.
	I mean, how many times did you get for a time travel catalog last time you were on?
	Oh, God.
	I can't even number it.
	Um, oh, geez, it must have been over 3,000. 3,000.
	Um, you offer this time travel catalog for what?
	Uh, a dollar still.
	One dollar.
	It is still one dollar.
	So inflation has not hit time at all.
	All right.
	I took, in this time travel catalog, you of course go into a great explanation about what it is, blah blah blah, but you also have a drawing.
	I would call it a drawing.
	It's not exactly a schematic.
	It's more of a drawing of this Yeah, yeah.
	I would have had a photocopy done of the machine, but that would have become a blur.
	Do you have any actual good photographs of your machine, by the way?
	Yes, I do.
	I was going to make the audience aware of that shortly.
	You are indeed going to be sending me one.
	Yeah, and should anything happen to you, well, our bill is going to be around too much longer.
	That's funny.
	All right.
	Now, I want to know some about your machine, first of all.
	I mean, I'm looking at the drawing, and by the way, folks, you can see it on the website.
	I've put the drawing up on the website.
	The front of the machine shows three circles, two of which say dial, three switches, One light which says witness and, um, Azo, what's the witness?
	Uh, that is the, uh, here, let me get out one of my catalogs here.
	Tell you what everything is.
	Um, well, the circle, uh, with nothing in it, that's the, uh, witness well.
	It's the what?
	That's a witness.
	Uh, see the witness below the, uh, circle?
	Yes.
	Yeah, that, that's the indication, that's, uh, the witness is the, uh, indicates that the witness is above where it's written, you
	know, in the circle.
	What does witness mean?
	Witness, well, is the...
	Oh!
	You know, in order to do a broadcast treatment.
	Let's say, for example, the person that needs to be treated lives, you know, like six miles away from you.
	Oh, this is for health reasons?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I see, so you would put a photograph or a hank of hair or something.
	Yeah, but I have had reports of people moving through time, even just by putting their witness in my...
	Goodness well.
	All right, you then have three switches.
	What are these three switches?
	Okay, the top switch is a red switch, and that activates the power, which allows the electromagnet to function the way it does.
	And then the middle switch activates the multidimensional stabilizer.
	Slow up, you're going much too fast.
	The top switch activates the power.
	How much power Does this unit use, do you plug it into the wall?
	Does it operate in batteries?
	Yeah, it, it, it, it utilizes the, uh, you know, approximately, yeah, it plugs right into your wall outlet, so it takes up approximately 115 volts.
	115 volts?
	Yeah, but by the time it gets out to the electromagnet, it's stepped up to, I think, around 200 volts.
	200 volts?
	Wow!
	So that gets to be a very serious electromagnet.
	No question about that.
	Alright, so the top switch applies the power to the electromagnet.
	Yeah.
	Alright, the middle switch does what?
	That is the multi-dimensional stabilizer.
	What in the hell is that?
	Well, it was an idea that was given to me by a scientist who used to live up in Davenport, Iowa.
	And it was basically designed to stabilize the dimensional harmonics that are transmitted out of the electromagnet.
	It's, well you see what you have is a, see the unit itself produces a multi-dimensional tachyon sine wave.
	Really?
	And when the dimensional stabilizer is in the off position, the wave becomes really rigid.
	A multi-dimensional tachyon sine wave.
	Holy smokes, what's that?
	It's just a sine wave that locks onto all the dimensions.
	Okay, and so...
	That center switch stabilizes that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Some people, I don't know what it is, but some people get better results when the switch is in the off mode than in the on mode.
	Now, there isn't really an erratic breakup in the wave when it's in the off mode, but when the When you have an oscilloscope hooked up to the machine, and the multidimensional stabilizer is activated, it produces a number of dips in the sine wave itself, and each dip represents a harmonic.
	Okay, alright, now that makes sense.
	You know an awful lot of electronics for a farm boy.
	Where did you get this design originally, before we continue here?
	Well, it was given to me by a time traveler is originally where the origin from or where it came from.
	All right.
	A time traveler.
	Yeah.
	He just said, here's a machine.
	Welcome to the world of time travel or what?
	Well, he came from Earth's future.
	He has a real mysterious origin.
	I don't dare mention his name on the air because, well, I don't know, his counterpart could be listening.
	He has a double that is on the verge of succeeding in traveling through time and repeating the same events that he repeated at an earlier stage.
	And I know where his counterpart is living at right now.
	But the last I've heard, the guy who sent me this schematic is now living somewhere in Maine.
	In Maine?
	Yeah.
	In a different time?
	Who knows?
	I don't know.
	The guy sort of scares me because nobody knows where the guy came from.
	I mean, where he lives.
	He appears from out of nowhere.
	He contacts people from out of nowhere.
	And then he just disappears into thin air.
	I mean... Alright.
	You've got a third switch at the bottom.
	Yeah.
	What's that?
	That is the clear switch.
	Clear?
	Yeah, and it's designed to clear the toxic radiations from out of the witness well, should there be any present.
	Okay.
	Now, there are two dials.
	One at the top, one at the bottom.
	What's the top one?
	Okay, those are basically tuning dials for setting your time travel coordinates or for setting up your location rates in reference to healing.
	Well, let's stick with time.
	With time, how would you operate the dials?
	I mean, what... Okay, basically... Well, to begin with, you would first place... Okay, let's say, you know, we're just starting out, you know, learning how to operate this device.
	Okay, first of all, we place the time coils around our head, which would be basically a set of phone cords, which is designed to feed the third eye or the spiritual energy through the third eye region into
	the unit.
	Okay, after these time coils are positioned around your forehead,
	over the third eye region, you then start operating, well you then start turning the top dial
	while stroking the rubbing plate in a clockwise or counterclockwise rotation
	using your first...
	Yeah, the rubbing plate is the second half of the machine down below the dials and the switches.
	Yeah, that's correct.
	So you've got these phone cords wrapped around your head, which are coils in fact, and plug into the machine.
	And so you've got these around your head and now you're rubbing this plate in a counterclockwise or clockwise position.
	What's the difference?
	It don't matter.
	The current flows in both directions, so it doesn't matter much.
	Oh, I see, so... Yeah, because, you know, there's a practical winding underneath that.
	I was thinking clockwise might send you forward and counterclockwise might send you back.
	Well, who knows?
	It might be worth a try.
	All right, anyway, so you start rubbing this rubbing plate.
	Yeah.
	And then what?
	Okay, then while you're turning the dials and stroking the rubbing plate, you concentrate on the On the time period you want to go to, let's say you wanted to go to May 5, 2000, which is supposed to be the date of that cataclysm.
	Wouldn't it be a bad idea to go to a cataclysmic day?
	I don't know.
	It just popped into my head for some reason.
	No, I understand that.
	But that is a day when people say everything could suddenly stop and everybody could be dead.
	Yeah, I know.
	Or a first choice, I mean.
	Yeah, you'd have to get out your skis or something like that.
	Anyway, so you start thinking about where you want to go.
	The second dial below, you haven't told me what that does.
	Well, see, they're both used for tuning into the year that you want to go to.
	In other words, you concentrate on the question, like, what are the rates that will transport me to, say, Such and such a date in the year 2000.
	And then as soon as your fingers stick on that rubbing plate, then that indicates a dial setting.
	Then you go to the second dial underneath that and do the same thing.
	Oh, I see.
	So in other words, you're concentrating on when you want to go, and you're rubbing, and you're turning the dial, and when your finger stops, you know you've reached the right place.
	Yeah, yeah, that's correct.
	And then you repeat the process with the other dial.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, you might be.
	Once you get that stick, the energy from your soul is fed right through the third eye region
	on into the yin and yang, where it's stepped up through the zero vector.
	Uh, okay.
	Maybe I'm jumping too fast there.
	Well, you might be.
	You might be.
	Um, all right.
	I'll tell you what.
	We're coming to a break, so let's pick up on that point right after the break, alright?
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	All right, once again, Stephen Gibbs, Wild Man from the prairie.
	All right, let's see, where were we?
	Time quells wrapped around.
	We've rubbed the rubbing plate in one direction or the other.
	Set the dials.
	Then there is the electromagnet.
	You're applying voltage.
	This is an external electromagnet, right?
	Yeah.
	And you're applying 117 volts, or actually more, I guess.
	Well, yeah, the diodes step it up a little bit.
	Yeah, to this electromagnet.
	And that will produce a hell of a magnetic field.
	There's no question about it.
	A serious magnetic field.
	Yeah, it's an 8 meter electromagnetic field.
	Is it really?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Remarkable.
	It's a steel core, and then it's, what have you wrapped it with?
	I use 21 gauge magna wire.
	Of course, any type of gauge would probably work, but that's what I use on it.
	Does that thing heat up, by the way?
	Yeah, after about a space of 12 minutes, which is about the maximum amount of time you want to leave it operating.
	Right.
	Yeah, the electromagnet starts heating up and then you gotta let things cool down.
	That would figure.
	Alright, so here we are with our trim coils around our forehead, rubbing plate work done, dials are set, then what about the electromagnet?
	Where does that go?
	Okay, once everything has been tuned and set, you then activate the power switch.
	Up top?
	Yeah, yeah, the red power switch.
	Yes.
	And then there are a couple of bar magnets that come with the unit.
	Now this is something that is not included in my picture catalog.
	And these bar magnets are to help to determine the polarities on the open end of the electromagnet so that you only receive the north polarized field of it.
	I've got you.
	So you figure out with the bar magnets, that makes sense, which is north.
	Yeah.
	And it would depend, in other words, you could probably plug it in either way.
	Yeah, yeah, well... Actually, you know, Stephen, I just happen to think that you could factory set this by color-coding, determining which is north before you send this out, and simply color-coding the two plugs.
	Do you ever think about that?
	Yeah, I do, but it's always seemed like...
	Yeah, I know what you're talking about, but it's easier for me if I just put one color, one plug red and the other one black, and then if they don't... If that doesn't do the trick?
	Then they can always reverse the connection.
	People will always get things mixed up, it's certainly true.
	Alright, so anyway, you determine which is the strong north field, then what?
	Okay, then you then place the open end of the electromagnet over your stomach chakra, which would be, well, I guess right over your belly button.
	So it's just radiating the hell out of you at that point.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And a lot of scientists have called me up stating, you know, to avoid the stomach region because it can zap you into a hell region.
	But from my experience, Oh, scientists, scientists!
	Alright, but I mean, why would a scientist say that it would send you to hell?
	A scientist, in all likelihood, would go to hell.
	Oh, come on.
	Yeah, well these were I think connected with the fallen angels spoke to us in scriptures,
	but that's another story.
	Okay.
	All right, so that, so now you've got the North Field radiating electromagnetic energy
	into your belly button.
	Yeah.
	Like crazy.
	You've got the time coil around your head.
	You've determined where you want to go.
	And I assume at the moment that you turn the switch on.
	Yeah, yeah.
	After everything's positioned, you then activate the switch for the space of three minutes.
	And if you're positioned over a grid point and the grid point is activated, You'll go physically.
	There'll be a flash.
	What'll happen is there'll be a flash of white light.
	I was gonna ask, what would I see if I was standing there watching you do all this and all of a sudden it activated?
	I'd see a flash of white light?
	Yeah, you'd see a flash of white light and the next thing you know, I'd be gone.
	Just gone?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, now sometimes there ain't no time delay effect.
	Sometimes you'll just be seeing flickering out and then you'll come right back.
	Whereas, so in other words, that person To the observer, that person will look like, you know, he only gone for maybe a split second, but the person who went through time may have been gone for like a day or two.
	Oh, I understand.
	Just like in Contact, the movie.
	Yeah.
	They didn't think she'd been gone at all.
	In fact, they had video of her vehicle falling through that machine directly with not even a pause in the middle, and yet she was gone for, I think it was 18 hours.
	Yeah, I saw that movie.
	That was great.
	That was an awesome movie.
	It was an awesome movie.
	I agree with you.
	How long ago, Stephen, did you build your first time machine?
	Well, I guess my first early time machine, this is something I've never even talked about yet, was back in, oh, must have been in 82 or 83.
	Wow.
	And I discovered a way of converting a radio, an ordinary radio, into a time machine.
	It could not nearly have been as effective as what you've got here.
	Uh, no.
	It, uh, since there was a lot of impurities in it, I got really a whiplash effect when it, when it teleported.
	Yes.
	All right.
	Uh, so that's a long, you've been doing this a long time.
	That's, uh, well over a decade.
	Yeah.
	Now, now a lot of people are sitting out there right now saying baloney.
	Baloney.
	This thing isn't sending anybody anywhere.
	I'm not believing this for a second.
	Now, you have some evidence, don't you, of quite a number of people who have used your machine.
	Yeah.
	And the best thing we can do now, I know that you could talk about other types of travel, but the best thing we can do is talk about incidents of actual physical time travel.
	Yeah.
	Give me an example.
	Well, I sold a unit To a man down in Australia.
	I don't know if this makes a really good example or not, but he had bought something like 20 or 30 crystals from me.
	There was an editor of this one magazine, I'm not going to mention the name because that could get me into a lawsuit.
	He purchased one of my machines, this man in Australia, and he called this guy up who is the editor of this one UFO magazine and told him, you know, I really got something here.
	You know, I got one of Gibbs's time machines and I've been traveling, I've been getting some really serious time warps.
	And he says, well gee whiz, I'd like to see that thing in person.
	So this guy over in Australia sets a date where they can meet each other in person.
	But anyhow, the other man who was over in England, no wait, no, he was over in Australia too, where the other man was positioned.
	He said, well, let's arrange a date, you know, three or four weeks from now we'll try to meet each other.
	But he says, you'll have to call Call me up to let me know where I can meet you.
	Meaning you've got two guys, one's got a machine, they decide to test it, and the second guy says, alright, we'll meet three weeks in the future.
	Is that about right?
	Oh yeah, two or three weeks.
	In other words, you know, the editor did not It had nothing to do with him going through time.
	They were just going to meet each other two or three weeks later in the future.
	So he waited a couple of weeks and no phone call came from this man who was working with one of my machines.
	He waited another couple of weeks and he called three or four times and still no answer from him.
	And so he decided to send a few of his friends up there to investigate.
	Yeah?
	You know, as to what has happened to this person.
	Obviously.
	And lo and behold, he waited a week or two and his friends also disappeared in the thin air.
	The ones that he had sent over to check on the guy?
	Yeah.
	And I was talking with another person, you know, if he had set up some sort of a vortex or doorway when they went over to investigate the matter, they might have got transported themselves.
	Well, here is a critically, actually several critically important questions.
	Number one, when you launch yourself into the future or the past with this machine.
	Yeah.
	I presume you have, I mean, you vanish in a virtual white flash.
	Yeah.
	The machine is still running.
	It's not like you've got time to reach down and turn it off.
	Well, if you program the machine to go with you, the machine will go with you.
	But if you don't, then the, you know, like I was mentioning before, you know, part of the machine will stay behind.
	Well, I was wondering if it might be possible That this fellow in Australia left the machine running and these other poor saps walked in and away they went.
	Yeah, presto changeable.
	Is that what you think might have occurred?
	Yeah, yeah, that's probably a good idea.
	However, it could have been, gosh, it could have been any number of other things too, but what was the strangest thing about this?
	This man who disappeared, the letters he sent, We're postmarked in the future, or should I say in the past, because, well, you know, normally it takes a letter from Australia about around five to seven days to get to the United States.
	Yeah.
	Well, when I get the letter, it was postmarked the same day that it was sent out.
	The postmark on the letter, the Australian postmark, was the same day?
	Yeah, that he sent it out.
	I've had that happen to me more than once with people.
	I don't understand why that wouldn't be.
	In other words, if I was in Australia and I sent you a letter.
	Yeah.
	On, let's say, March 9th.
	Yeah.
	They would postmark it March 9th.
	Yeah, the day I would receive it.
	But the most I can make out is the guy was going into Lloyd's.
	Let's see.
	Yeah, he was going into Lloyd's.
	He'd have to go into the future, wouldn't he?
	I think so.
	I think he went into the future.
	No, he went into the past and sent it off a week behind so that when I got it, it'd be the same date that it was postmarked.
	You're saying you received the letter on the day you received the letter is the day it was postmarked?
	Yeah.
	Oh, that's impossible.
	Well, yeah, that's what a lot of people have said, but it happened.
	Alright, now also, earlier today on the phone, you told me that some kind of officials, FBI, NSA, CIA, I don't know who they were, recently came to see you trying to catch you for fraud.
	Yeah, yeah, that's correct.
	Now, do you know which eight?
	Was it FBI?
	Well, I kind of have a hunch they were probably FBI, but yeah, they really got a dose of their own medicine when they got one of my machines.
	This is a cool story.
	Now, did you give them, were you forced to give them a machine, or did they confiscate it?
	No, no, they asked me for a machine.
	They wanted to show Warner Brothers as to what Yeah, yeah.
	you know research I was doing. They were thinking, they were, they had convinced me and a bunch of other of my
	friends who were with me that they needed the machine
	to help them make a motion picture.
	I see, so they bought it.
	No, they didn't buy it. I just gave it to them.
	You did this on spec thinking, oh there's a movie in this.
	Yeah, yeah. All right, so they took your machine to California, was it?
	Yeah, yeah, Los Angeles.
	And What happened to them?
	Well, after they started examining it for a while, they gave me a call and he had a scientist who was really very much interested in experimenting with the device, or he knew a scientist, and I warned him over the telephone, you know, don't activate it over in Los Angeles, otherwise you're going to go poof!
	Yeah?
	And, uh, but, you know, I was kind of toying with him a little bit, trying, because I figured if these people were going to get me for fraud, you know, what better way than to, uh, send them off to another time period.
	And so, uh, they got what was coming to them.
	And not only that, but they strangely disappeared right into thin air.
	Shortly after I told them not to mess with it, you know, giving them the apple, you know.
	Now how do you know they're gone?
	Because I had a friend of mine over in Omaha try to contact them and she knew some friends over in Los Angeles and they said they can't locate them anywhere.
	And so we kind of figured they went out to a grid site and they went.
	Bye-bye.
	Yeah.
	So they're not going to be messing with you.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Kind of a happy ending to a sad beginning.
	How many people, Stephen, have purchased machines from you?
	Well, since 1986, I would say well over Oh, God.
	I would say well over three or four hundred machines.
	Three or four hundred.
	And you have personally hand-constructed each one of these?
	Yes.
	That's correct.
	How have your sales mainly come, aside from the time you were on my program?
	Was it word of mouth?
	Or do you advertise time travel catalogs somewhere?
	No, no.
	It was kind of strange.
	A friend of mine in Omaha kind of mentioned Well, you probably emailed me or something.
	No.
	No?
	No, it was a real strange situation.
	I can't even remember how I found out about you the first time, to be honest with you.
	you were on the Art Bell program. Yeah, and then shortly afterwards I got a phone call from you.
	Well, you probably emailed me or something. No. No? No, it was a real strange situation. I can't
	even remember how I found out about you the first time, to be honest with you. Well, you know,
	that's what miracles are made of, I guess.
	Maybe.
	But obviously you were producing these for at least a decade before I had you on the air.
	Maybe more.
	So how were you getting the word out then?
	I was basically advertising through different sources.
	There was a company up in Idaho that was distributing, well he's still distributing my information.
	I don't want to say who it is for certain.
	as that could also get me into trouble. He was saying to me one day, you know, it would
	be a great idea if you would start your own business in this area by putting ads in different
	magazines. So I started things up and it finally took off.
	So you put ads in magazines? Yeah, yeah. Like Nexus, Fate and Alternate
	Perceptions. I see. Is your device UL approved?
	Yeah, it's uh... Yeah, it's uh... Yeah, it's... Yeah, I approved it.
	Oh, God, Steven.
	Do you know what the law is?
	Do you know that when you have a device that you plug directly into the wall, that you don't use a little step-down transformer, you've got to have a UL approval?
	And you get a little sticker there on the back that says UL approved, or it's on the cord a lot of times when you buy something.
	Your device is not necessarily UL approved.
	Yeah, no, not necessarily, no.
	Oh Stephen, you're so strange.
	But nevertheless, you claim that this, it works.
	If you want to travel in time, one of these will in fact take you through time, right?
	Oh yes, yes.
	Is there any limit to how far back or how far forward you can go?
	Well, I think that depends a little bit on the type of grid point that's used.
	Some grids don't put out very much power, and those type of grids can only move you somewhat like in days.
	In days.
	Okay, now grids are points on the Earth that have a specific magnetic anomaly to them, correct?
	Yeah, yeah, that's correct.
	Yeah, there exists, to my knowledge, something like three different types of grid points.
	The positive grids will send you into Earth's future.
	Right.
	Negative grids will send you into Earth's past.
	And zero grids will send you into present parallel universes.
	Excellent.
	All right, Stephen.
	Hold on.
	We're going to take a break here at the top of the hour.
	And yes, we will.
	You can go take a look at the sketch on the website.
	It's only one page of his time travel catalog.
	We'll tell you how to get Steven's time travel catalog now.
	Steven is sending me a time machine.
	And I'm going to have to think very hard about when I want to go.
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	Stephen Gibbs is my guest right now.
	Now, Stephen builds time machines.
	Steven is out in the prairie lands of Nebraska.
	And, um, he's a farm boy.
	But, long ago, somebody gave him plans for a time machine.
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	Steven has a website.
	I just got a fax from his webmaster.
	I had no idea that he had a website.
	It is, um, http://homeinreach.com forward slash d as in dog, o as in ocean, v as in victor forward slash tt.htm and according to his webmaster his catalog is on his website along with the same diagram that I've got up on my website.
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	Now, I have become aware of a man who has, well I guess he bought one of Stephen Gibbs
	time machines.
	And so I thought it might be interesting to hear from this person.
	Now, you may recall the other day, we got a call on the air from somebody who had just received his time machine, was about to use it, tentatively considering using it.
	Now, I will tell you something about his machine.
	You know, the principle actually... The principle actually is fairly sound.
	It seems to me.
	You know, looking at this, even though it may seem silly, you know, a coil coming out of one side of the machine that you would wrap around your head, and a very powerful electromagnet that you would put at the center of your body, and then the dials and the rubbing plate and all the rest of it, But actually, if you believe in hyperdimensions, that there are other dimensions, then indeed this might be a way to resonate that.
	Who knows?
	At any rate, here's a guy who bought one of Stephen's machines, and I thought I'd bring him on the air.
	His name is Augie Nost.
	Is it Nost?
	Yeah, that's Augie Nust.
	Nust.
	I'm sorry, Augie.
	Where are you from?
	I'm from Omaha, Nebraska.
	Well, at the moment.
	But you've got an accent.
	You must have been from somewhere else.
	Well, yeah.
	I grew up in Europe and Norway.
	Europe and Norway?
	Yeah.
	When did you... First of all, how did you find out about Steven?
	Well, quite a few years ago, I found an ad in a magazine, which I forget which one it was now.
	And I wrote for a catalog from him, I think it probably was five, seven years ago.
	All right, so it wasn't from my program?
	No, no, no.
	I read the catalog, it sounded fascinating, and I put it in a file somewhere, and that was the end of it at that time.
	I think a lot of people do that.
	I mean, it's so cool to have a time travel catalog.
	Last time Stephen was on, you know, I'm not going to sit here and sell machines for Stephen, but I thought, You know, for the audience, just to have a time travel
	catalog sitting on their coffee table would be cool.
	It's like a conversation piece or something.
	And so I take it that you originally got that catalog and kind of looked at it the same
	way but then filed it away.
	Yeah, I did.
	All right.
	So some one day came and you made, I mean, how did you make the decision?
	These are not cheap.
	What does this machine cost?
	Uh, actually, uh, no, I think you got it wrong.
	I did not buy one.
	I used the equipment because I've known Steve for some time, and he wanted to know how he brought the machine with him.
	I see.
	And we were over to a friend's house and there is where I strapped it on and I used it.
	You strapped it on?
	Yeah.
	You wound the cords around your forehead as he suggests?
	Yeah.
	And then just as he talked about on the radio, you put the magnet basically in your belly button area and activated this tremendous current through it, huh?
	Yeah, I remember the time coil got hot.
	Uh, it would.
	It definitely would get hot.
	Yeah, we have to sweat hands to hold it, uh, in place.
	Uh, I'm sure it would get very hot, indeed.
	Yeah.
	All right, so, um, so what happened?
	Well, uh, first of all, though, we have to kind of, uh, I've studied this quite a bit over the years, and, uh, there's more than one time, uh, kind of time travel.
	You've got mental time travel and you've got physical time travel.
	Right.
	And, uh, I don't know.
	We also have to understand what time is to really understand what this is.
	We think that time is linear.
	Well, it may appear that way, but there are much evidence to the fact it is not.
	Okay.
	And time, as Nikola Tesla and even Einstein, he questioned if it was linear.
	And it appears to be like a wave.
	Anything in the universe is based on frequency, right?
	I believe that to be so, yes.
	Yeah, if time is real, it also has to be frequency.
	I'm not going to disagree with that.
	That's entirely plausible, okay.
	And this, in a physical world, it appears linear.
	But in order to be able to travel on The wave front of time, you have to step in between dimension into the zero point vacuum and then you can travel forward and backwards.
	Zero points.
	Tapping into hyperdimensional energy.
	There you go.
	Alright, so I still want to know, what happened?
	Well, when I sat there, I went into a meditative state.
	Yes?
	Meditated.
	And for a little while, nothing happened.
	And I had a little handicap because I was in a hurry.
	I really needed to go somewhere in a very short time.
	But I sat there and thought about absolutely nothing.
	And then, after a little while, I started to see some light flickering in front of my eyes, which I had closed at that time.
	It was kind of like, well, little specks of light that just kind of showed up.
	Right.
	Right, right, right.
	Right, I've seen them.
	Then I started to see a little, kind of like a, almost, it appeared like a column in the middle.
	And then it was kind of like a vision or a, I was just like I'm watching a dim movie that got clearer and clearer.
	And it was like a mountaintop and there was like a volcano.
	A volcano.
	And the top of this volcano just plain came off.
	And that volcano erupted.
	And the thing about this one is that I had a specific date and a year in time that I had targeted.
	And what was that?
	That was in 1999, the 7th of July.
	July 7th, 1999.
	Do you know where you were?
	Uh, I don't know where I was.
	I had an impression of and a feeling that it was either on the West Coast or the Northwest.
	That was a strong feeling and that's all I had.
	I could be wrong about that.
	All right.
	That was clearly a volcano that came unglued and the whole gut spilled right up there.
	And this happened while you were using this machine?
	You saw all this?
	Yeah, yeah.
	It was, uh, I had the machine on at the time.
	And, uh, I started to feel a little dizzy.
	And, uh, I also remembered that, uh, well, maybe I got a little nervous, too.
	That's possible.
	I can understand that.
	No question about it.
	It would make me nervous.
	It's going to make me nervous to try it, too.
	Yeah.
	Because I know, uh, my God, with this kind of voltage into this electromagnet, that sucker is going to get hot as a firecracker.
	Yeah, it would.
	But I think that, um, Well, this is something that I think will be a phenomenal experience to try it out, and I think if people go through the procedures that he's outlined for us, I think it's safe enough.
	Well, alright.
	Steven is going to send me a machine.
	Do you have any advice for me?
	I would say keep the machine close by you, because let's say for some reason that you do go somewhere physically, It would be nice to have this machine with you so you could plug it in wherever you're at.
	It's a very, very good point.
	Listen, I want to thank you.
	I'm going to go back to Stephen, but I did want to interview you and at least ask what had happened to you.
	Now we know.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Augie.
	You bet.
	Take care.
	All right, that's Augie.
	Here's Stephen once again.
	Stephen Gibbs.
	Stephen, are you there?
	Yep, yep.
	Augie's a very good friend of mine.
	Is he?
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	I've known him for quite some time.
	All right.
	Again, Stephen, I'll ask you the same question.
	You're about to send me a machine.
	Yeah.
	Stephen, do you have any warnings or cautions or instructions for me when I get this thing?
	Well, if you activate it over in... Well, how can I put it?
	If you activate it in the Las Vegas area, I would most likely say that you're probably going to be gone physically.
	Yeah, there is a definite...
	A point between here and Las Vegas.
	Yeah, and now Pahrump, I don't know.
	Well, it's in between... I don't know whether or not a grid line goes through Pahrump.
	Oh, I know where it is.
	It's in the Blue Diamond area.
	Yeah.
	I know exactly where it is.
	And, uh, there is... Now, you've got to remember, too, that Las Vegas is built over a negative grid point.
	And, uh... Now, when I'm referring to negative grid point, I'm not referring to a past grid point.
	I'm referring to a negative bad grid point.
	Is it bad?
	Yeah, it's bad.
	It locks into a hell region.
	So I might go to hell?
	Yeah, you might.
	Or else have a bad nightmare from it.
	Great.
	Just great.
	But that's only if you activated it within the vicinity of Las Vegas.
	If you activated it outside the edge of Las Vegas, I probably wouldn't do much.
	Except, unless you know you were over a grid point.
	But hopefully the grids outside Las Vegas are more positive than that sucker is.
	Alright, here is a very critical question.
	And I think a reasonable question.
	If you were to travel physically, Steven.
	Yeah.
	To the far past, for example.
	Augie was just mentioning plugging it in.
	I was thinking, what if you traveled to a time before there was power?
	Now, what then?
	Well, hopefully you'd have your vehicle with you.
	What I suggest to a lot of people who buy units from me that, you know, in order, because a lot of people, because a lot of these grid points are far away from where a person, you know, lives at.
	So you're saying take your car?
	Well yeah, what you get is a DC, a 12 volt DC to AC inverter.
	That converts 12-volt DC into 150-volt AC that plugs right into your cigarette lighter.
	And that way, if you want to take your vehicle with you through time, you can just program that into the unit and off you go.
	Well, that might create another problem, Steven.
	If you suddenly ended up back in say the 1400s with your car, right away there could be a problem.
	Well, they'll just probably think you're some sort of a space traveler or something.
	Or a warlock.
	And you're liable to get burned at the stake along with your machine.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Get one of those nice big swords through you.
	Oh, God.
	All right, look.
	It helps to have a set of clothing with you to match with the time period that you go to.
	Um, I can imagine it would, but how are you going to, you know, how are you going to decorate your car so it doesn't, you know... Yeah, well... Anyway, look, um... Um, Steven, um... Excuse me.
	Yeah, what was that?
	Oh, I accidentally pushed a button on the telephone.
	I see, alright.
	Got one of these cheapies, so... Alright, um...
	I almost don't know what to say to you anymore.
	Oh, yes, I do.
	The one cool thing that I have, whether people want to get your machine or not, eventually, is you do have your catalog, Time Travel.
	Oh, yeah.
	Now, if people want it, it's all of $1.
	Yeah.
	For the catalog.
	I've got one in my hands.
	How did they get it?
	Oh, they just sent $1 to Steven Gibbs, RR1, Box 79, Clearwater, that's spelled C-L-E-A-R.
	Right.
	W-A-T-E-R.
	Yeah.
	And then Nebraska, that's abbreviated as N-E-E.
	Right.
	And then the zip is 68726.
	And my time machines sell for $360.
	Ooh, that's pretty pricey.
	And now, if there are some people, you know, I wanted to state that if there are some people who order machines that they would probably, the early ones who come in, The early orders that come in, I can probably have them processed before the end of this year, whereas the late comers will probably have to wait until around the middle of 1999 or towards the end of 1999.
	Yeah, you build these by hand and you can only build a certain number every year.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's correct.
	I can only build something like anywhere from five to seven units per month.
	Five to seven a month?
	Yeah.
	Even the people that last time bought a machine, they've not all yet received them.
	Quite a few have, or most, but not all.
	No, I still have something like 37 back orders.
	My God.
	So it's going to be a while before you can get around to anybody's machine anyway.
	Well, yeah.
	Well, you know, that's not unusual to have 37 back orders.
	A lot of people who sell radionic machines usually end up having that.
	Is there enough information in the drawing for people to... Of course, you don't show any of the internal parts of this machine.
	No.
	Is there enough information for people to build them themselves?
	Well, now, for the ones who want to build their own time machine, that's similar... Now, they wouldn't be...
	It wouldn't be the same as units I sell, and it may, well, it just depends on which reports you go through, but basically if they want to build a machine which is almost identical to the one I sell, I would suggest they go with report number nine.
	That tells you, that gives instructions on how to build the multiverse resonator.
	All right, now wait, where is report number nine?
	That's in my catalog on the back page.
	It sells for $19.95 plus $3 for shipping and handling.
	And it reads, you know, the information contained in this report almost costed me my life, which it about did.
	How so?
	Well, I was harassed by some government people when I went over to Calgary, Canada at an earlier date to help these people activate a time portal.
	And I was interrogated for three hours when I went through immigration.
	Oh, you mean about your machine?
	Yeah.
	They probably said, what the hell is this?
	Well, they didn't want any of the information to be let out in Canada.
	See, they're really a bunch of SOBs as far as... Now, be careful, because a lot of people in Canada listen to you right now.
	Careful what you call them.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's true, but... It's not all Canadians.
	You mean the Canadian border guys.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, this guy was a government plant.
	He was trying to get me on a drug charge, is what he was trying to do, and... What does that have to do with a time machine?
	Well, they just didn't want anybody to know about time travel in Canada.
	They didn't want anybody doing research on the subject.
	Well, what does that have to do with drugs?
	I mean, how are they going to bust you on drugs when you don't have drugs?
	All you've got is a time machine.
	Well, yeah, but see, if it wasn't for my friend, I'm not going to mention any names, if she hadn't have threatened him with a lawyer, I probably would have been in prison by now.
	Based on what?
	Well, who knows, but boy, he sure was caved off when my friend threatened him with a lawsuit because he was forced to let me through.
	All right.
	Steven, in a moment, we're going to take calls.
	Stay right where you are.
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	Are you... All right, we are going to go to the top of the hour and then we are going to move away from the time travel subject because I am getting word that there is a downright... there's an emergency going on in the Midwest.
	In the state of Indiana, in Northern Illinois, and possibly other areas as well, I'm getting word that hundreds and maybe thousands of people are stranded.
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	In the meantime, if you have questions for Stephen Gibbs, I'll come now.
	Stephen, are you there?
	Yep.
	I'll be here.
	Alright, Stephen.
	Here comes some folks.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stephen Gibbs and Art Bell.
	Hello.
	Yes, Stephen and Art.
	My name is Britt, and I'm calling from Shady Cove, Oregon, from your home station, KOPE.
	Hi there, Britt.
	How are you doing?
	Oh, pretty good.
	How about yourself?
	I love your show.
	Thank you.
	I know you've been very honest with your Your caller's in the past, and I'd honestly like to ask you if you think that your guest is for real.
	Hmm.
	Um, alright.
	Uh, it's a good and fair question.
	And the answer is... I don't know.
	Uh, Steven has been building these for a long, long, long time before I ever interviewed him about, you know, the machine.
	About seven a month?
	I've... seven machines, you mean?
	Didn't he say you build seven a month?
	Yeah, that's right.
	That's correct, seven a month.
	Sounds kind of off the wall to me.
	Well, it isn't like he does this as a full-time job.
	It sounds like he sure should be.
	You know, I'm going to answer your question.
	I understand, thank you, that as people listen to Steven, you know, he's brought up on a farm, his diction isn't perfect, and that makes people judge people, which is really too bad.
	But that's the way it is.
	Actually, Stephen, I'll tell you something.
	We've got this new credibility rating system on my website.
	Yeah?
	And 200 people, before you even went on the air, voted.
	And you were voted as being reasonably credible, right sort of in the middle.
	Yeah.
	But as the program has gone on, your credibility rating, Stephen, has gone back to 1955.
	So, you know, I understand, Stephen, why people react the way they do to what you say.
	But the reason I brought you back is because I think there is something to you.
	And I see the principles involved in your machine.
	Does it work?
	Hell, I don't know.
	Maybe I'm about to find out.
	Yeah, I would say so.
	Now, if I'm suddenly, if I'm suddenly missing, When do you figure to get this machine to me?
	I figure before... I would say the 27th.
	The 27th of this month?
	Yeah.
	So that's like 17 days from now.
	Yep.
	All right.
	So, you know, in answer to the caller's question, until I have done this myself, how can I make that judgment?
	I just know that Stephen really has been building these, and that I really have talked to people who have used them and claim they work.
	I brought one on the air a little while ago.
	So, you know, I would say to people in the listening audience, you ought not judge a book by its cover.
	And people do that, and it's perhaps a gigantic mistake.
	Anyway, first-time caller on the line, you're on the air with Stephen Gibbs.
	Aloha, Steve.
	Aloha, Art.
	This is Doug in Honolulu, Hawaii.
	Yes, sir.
	And, uh, I just wanted to ask you, Mr. Gibbs, um, have you had, uh, have you had anyone with time travel actually having problems of, uh, especially if they physically go into the future, of, um, having problems with diseases or any kind of, um, any kind of Viruses are at all.
	No, I never thought about that.
	Nothing at all, from what I've heard.
	God, I never thought about that, Steven.
	If you were to go, we already have emerging viruses at a ridiculous rate.
	New viruses all the time, and one can only imagine as time goes on, there'll be more and more and more.
	What if somebody went into the future, contracted something, and brought the damn thing back with them?
	In fact, in fact, let's think about it this way.
	Maybe some of these emerging viruses came back with some of your customers.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But see, the thing that people don't realize is the unit puts an extremely powerful tachyon field around you that repels any chance for coming down with any of these viruses.
	And not only that, you probably wouldn't stay there long enough to contract something.
	I don't know if you can say that.
	I mean, all it takes is one person in the year 2006 to go, and there you are.
	But I mean, your machine may take care of it.
	That's a good answer.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Stephen Gibbs.
	Hello.
	Good morning, Art.
	This is Kathy in Reno.
	Hi, Kathy.
	Hi.
	Great show tonight, as usual.
	Mr. Gibbs, fascinating.
	By the way, I believe in you.
	I have no reason not to.
	I have one question, and I'll listen to your answer off the air.
	All right.
	Will you please tell us exactly what you have seen, experienced, or know about the cataclysmic event you mentioned on May 5, 1999?
	Thank you.
	That was May 5, 2005, and that's when the planets are supposed to align.
	Yeah.
	And I just sort of chided Stephen for picking that date out of thin air.
	Yeah.
	Well, I haven't personally gone to the year 2005.
	Now, I know somebody who was using a couple of Caduceus-wound Tesla coils that went to the year 2008, shortly after the New World Order is established, and found out that the Christians are disposed, during that time period, By means of flamethrowers.
	What?
	I'm serious.
	They're taken to an affirmatory.
	The ones who don't accept the biochip, either in their right hand or in their forehead, from what I was told, are taken to an affirmatory in the year 2008, where they are literally burnt alive.
	In front of several eyewitnesses.
	Now this is something that a scientist saw when he went physically to that year.
	And he actually has a lot of documented evidence to back up that he has made this jump.
	Now, I don't dare mention names, because this could definitely get me into trouble.
	But he was working for some government agency back in World War II, from the closest I could tell.
	But he likes to keep his whereabouts unknown, because he's really not from this time period.
	Aren't you afraid, Stephen, that somebody will get this machine and fry themselves with it?
	No, no.
	There's safety catches in it that prevents any overload.
	It's like if you decide to activate it over in Pahrump or in Las Vegas, the amount of energy put out by the field put out by the machine is so fantastically highly intense
	that it would short out all manner of darkness in that area even if it was tuned to a
	hell region.
	And so basically the...
	It would be just my luck boy, I would throw the switch and I would go straight to hell
	without passing go.
	But no, I thought about that you might be going, that you might accidentally be tripped
	off into a negative dimension, but the more I think about it, from my own experience,
	from other people have told me that even if you decide to activate it over a negative
	grid, the energy would short out the negative grid.
	And so you probably wouldn't end up in a hell region.
	You would probably just simply, you know, pass through the grid with one hell of a headache.
	Well, even that doesn't sound like a lot of fun.
	No, no, no.
	Alright, here's to the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Stephen Gibbs.
	Hi.
	Hi, this is Wanda from North Carolina.
	Hi, Wanda.
	He has a fascinating program, and I rate him up very high, like $19.99 now.
	Steve and I have a couple of questions.
	One, I studied Indian mysticism, and I know that from some of my studies that there are people who can time travel without machines, I guess through other means.
	But I have two questions.
	One is in studying Nikola Tesla's inventions and I actually have had my hand on one of the patents which was called the Violet Flame invention that he invented which people are trying to figure that must have been for healing.
	So I can see why this could and would work.
	My two concerns would be One, is there any problem of internal combustion if the person's physical health, if they have a lot of gases in their body?
	Yes.
	No, no, there's no danger of internal combustion.
	I've never even heard of that problem.
	The only thing I suggest to people, you know, who operate these machines is don't stick gemstones in it.
	Don't stick gemstones in the witness well because it steps up the energy too damn much
	and you can then overheat yourself and you could easily, you know, what they refer to
	as burst into flames.
	Do you have burst into flames?
	Now see that's what the lady said.
	Now you're saying you could burst into flames.
	Now are these warnings contained in your catalog?
	Well, you know, if people go by what is written in the catalog they'll never, you know, suffer
	any, you know, any side effects.
	It's only when they start doing things that aren't listed in my catalog.
	Yeah, but if that's the problem, Stephen, for example, take me for example.
	Yeah.
	You know when I read directions?
	When all else fails.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's like the last thing I do.
	Now, believe me, after listening to your warnings, I will read the directions, but otherwise,
	I'd say, uh-huh, okay, this goes here, this goes here, turn it on, let's see what happens.
	And with my luck, you know, somebody would drop a diamond or something in the witness
	well and I'd go up like that.
	Well, diamonds ain't gonna affect that too much.
	It's when you start using red-colored stones.
	Red would be the ruby.
	Something that steps down the harmonics in it.
	Okie dokie, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stephen Gibbs, hello.
	Hi, Stephen, my name's Doug, I'm in Plattsville, California.
	Are you in 1998 right now?
	Yeah, yeah, I'm presently.
	Okay, I just, uh, you're, you're in the wrong place.
	Your comment at the beginning of the show was kind of curious.
	I have kind of a narrative question.
	If I could just read it, I wrote it down and maybe you could just answer it the best you could.
	Go ahead.
	Just listen to the whole thing, not the individual questions, but this would clarify it for me.
	I'm 43 years old now in 1998.
	I was 17 years old in 1971.
	If you sent me back in time to 1971, would I be 17 years old or 43 years old, and would I be in Germany in 1971?
	Hold it, slow it up.
	Take them one at a time.
	I would be 17 years old or 43 years old and would I be in Germany in 1971?
	Hold it, slow it up.
	Take them one at a time.
	What age would he be?
	He would still be the same age because you see you wouldn't be jumping into your own
	past timeline in this universe.
	You'd be jumping into a parallel universe, so you'd still be... 43.
	Yeah, you'd still be 43, but with some rejuvenated qualities added to it.
	Alright, next question.
	Would you be in Germany or would you be here somewhere?
	Yeah, would I be in Germany or where would I be?
	Okay, the answer is you would be wherever you had deemed to go.
	In other words, you would not be suddenly yourself when you were 17, so that means you wouldn't be in Germany, unless that is where you wanted to go.
	Yeah, you'd pop out wherever the... Well, like if you went through a grid point in one location, then you'd pop out at that same grid point in the other time period.
	So unless you program it for by location.
	If I went back to 1971, I would be 43 and I wouldn't necessarily be in Germany.
	If I was somewhere else, could I travel to Germany and meet myself?
	Very good question.
	And do you advise people to do that?
	There is a danger of meeting your counterparts in other parallel universes.
	The reason for that is you can easily fuse into them, which would account for the split personality traits that are present in some people.
	Terrible.
	That's nothing you would want to do, fusing with yourself.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Stephen Gibbs.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	My name is Matt and I'm calling from Omaha.
	Hello, Matt.
	Hi.
	I can't believe I actually made it through.
	I'm sitting here dumbfounded.
	I've tried to call once or twice in the past, just constant busy signal.
	Well, you're on, so there's not a lot of time here.
	Okay, okay.
	I'm a teacher, so I can't listen often.
	I got hit by the El Nino thing here, so we've got no school tomorrow.
	At any rate, maybe nothing happens by accident, and that's why I'm listening here tonight.
	I'm here pretty close.
	I've just got two questions.
	Tom, first off, how long do you stay there?
	Do you automatically return?
	Well, yeah, there's a, I would say at the maximum there's a nine hour time limit that you stay in the other time period, then you just automatically fade back to the present.
	Okay, okay, so it just sort of automatically brings you back?
	Yeah, yeah, unless you start screwing around with your own space-time continuum, then you may get blocked in another time period.
	Okay.
	But if you follow the instructions, we'll be alright?
	Yeah, you should.
	Yeah, so long as you don't run into your other self.
	Sure.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	And then the other just question was, can I buy you lunch sometime?
	I'm here in Omaha, so.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm about a three hour, three or four hour drive from there.
	The next time maybe when I go up to visit my friend in Omaha, you know, should you happen to be You know, if you could leave me a phone number or something.
	All right.
	We're going to give out Stephen's address again here in a moment.
	One last question, very quickly.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Stephen Gibbs.
	Hello.
	Oh, hi.
	When you're time-traveling, you're beyond time and space by, what, electromagnetic waves.
	When you're beyond time and space, are you in touch with the Eternal, the Kaushik records?
	Well, yeah, you're entangled with the Creator.
	When you pass through that zero vector, you see, you're actually, you know, passing through a realm that... Do you become all-knowing?
	Well, in a sense, you do.
	You're given whatever the Lord allows you to have in connection with the machine.
	But wouldn't you become one with the Lord, because you would be omnipresent and eternal, immortal, when you're beyond time and space?
	Well, I think that a lot hinges on the aspect of faith.
	You know, this unit is no substitute for faith.
	Faith has to come from within.
	Oh, that's a good place for us to end it, Stephen.
	Listen, I'm going to give out your address.
	Folks, you can get a time travel catalog, which I guarantee is great to have on your coffee table, even if you never get a machine, by writing to or sending $1 to Stephen Gibbs, That's what, G-I-B-B-S?
	Yeah, yeah, Steven.
	Yeah, G-I-B-B-S.
	That's R-R-1.
	I bet that stands for Rule Route.
	Yeah, R-R-1.
	R-R-1, Box 79.
	Box 79.
	In Clearwater, the one word, Clearwater, Nebraska.
	Yep.
	Zip code 68726.
	Is that about right?
	Yep, that's correct.
	Well, Steven, I'm looking forward to getting my machine.
	I'm really looking forward to it.
	Yeah.
	And you're going to get an awful lot of requests.
	Now, people need to bear in mind that you only build a certain number of these.
	They're all hand-built, and you build them on, I guess, special order is the way to put it, isn't it?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm going to be building machines from now on until Doomsday.
	Doomsday.
	Well, maybe on the next program, Stephen, you can tell us when that will be.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Sure.
	Stephen Gibbs, thank you, and good night.
	Yeah, thank you, Art.
	Well, there's Stephen Gibbs, folks, from Nebraska.
	And when I get my machine, what would you recommend that I do after hearing all of this?
	I've got a lot of thinking to do about that.
	All right, look, I understand there is a very, very serious situation going on in the Midwest.
	And I know there are people in trucks and cars out there stuck.
	And what we're going to do when we come back is open a special line for people in the Midwest who are stuck in this hellish storm that I've been hearing about.

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