Bruce Rux, a UFO researcher and author of Hollywood vs. the Aliens, argues intelligence agencies—like the CIA’s MKUltra (1953–63)—used films (The Thing, Stargate) to shape public perception of extraterrestrials, often embedding distorted truths about abductions and mind control. He claims Mars artifacts, including the 1976 "face" on Mars, reveal an occupied planet with advanced technology, while astronauts like Carl Sagan were pressured into silence. Callers debate disinformation tactics, from Men in Black to Mars Attacks!, suggesting Hollywood’s narratives serve military-industrial agendas, though Rux insists skepticism is key—even as he ties sightings (Phoenix lights, 1996) to Mars’s opposition periods and dismisses hoaxes like Gulf Breeze. [Automatically generated summary]
And um I've got to give you credit that Rox is a freelance author.
His last name is Rox R Ux of two books on UFOs, Architects of the Underworld, Unriddling Atlantis, Anomalies of Mars, and the Mysteries of the Sphinx and Hollywood versus the Aliens.
Subtitled The Motion Picture Industry's Participation in UFO Disinformation, both available from Frog Books.
You know, like the things that fell out of the sky the other day, Frog Books in Berkeley, California.
He is a professional stage actor and award-winning playwright with a master's in playwriting and dramatic criticism.
He has researched UFOs, ancient civilizations, and secret government agencies for most of his life.
He has personally seen all but a literal small handful of the more than get this folks 600 movies written about Hollywood versus the aliens.
Wow!
Since 1993, Bruce has devoted himself to the study of UFOs and all interrelated subjects full-time.
He wrote to Congress in 1993 to share some of his findings following the observer failure and has met or corresponded with several names in the field, including Jacques Fillet, Linda Moulton Howe, and David Jacobs.
You know them all from this program.
In 1994, he went on a special invite tour of Egypt and the Sinai with respected ancient astronaut theorist Zachariah Sitchin.
That must have been something.
Bruce's thesis is that the human race, all of us, migrated to Earth from Mars in antiquity and that Mars is still an occupied planet.
Various world governments have become increasingly aware of this fact since the turn of the century or before and have devoted considerable time and resources to investigation of the subject, primarily in an attempt to duplicate the superior technology of the ancients.
U.S. intelligence, especially, has at different times utilized popular entertainment media to educate or deflect the populace at large concerning the subject of E.T.s.
Its most successful venue having been post-World War II Hollywood.
I had to go through my index to see how many were in there, and then I went through over a period of time and noticed three or four that I forgot and left out.
What I'd noticed some time ago when I read Clear Intent and Above Top Secret was that a lot of the information coming out through Freedom of Information Act documents concerning UFOs happened to tally identically with stuff that I'd seen in these movies back in the 1950s and 60s and TV shows and things like that.
And following that lead, of course, I'd seen all these things for years, and I knew them all very well, and I've got a lot of them on tape.
I was able to very quickly ascertain that the people that made those movies were connected to the military intelligence community and or the CIA.
So it seemed pretty obvious to me that they knew this information well before it had come out, and they were putting it in the movies to either deflect people or educate them.
I mean, you say you talk about a bunch of movies, and then you say, and the military intelligence community or people involved in it were behind the movies.
He was very closely associated with American International Pictures.
He was their primary director.
And American International Pictures put out probably the silliest of the Flying Saucer movies, along with some extremely accurate mind control movies.
The information on mind control that the CIA's MKUltra program was involved in didn't start coming out until the church committee hearings, really, in the mid to late 70s.
But you'll find very accurate information pertaining to that in the early American International Pictures in the 1950s.
And this is no surprise because the listed advisor on two of Corman's pictures was William Joseph Bryan Jr.
William Joseph Bryan Jr. was the CIA's big head honcho in the MKUltra program.
He was the advisor for the Manchurian candidate in 1962.
But he had also, before that, been in American International Pictures.
This has accurate mind control information in it concerning hypnosis, suppression, and amnesia, stuff that simply was not being talked about at any great length by anybody at that time.
I had last night on this program, I don't know whether you heard him, a DOD, DIA veteran who was here talking about this kind of thing and actually remote viewing, but we were talking about MKUltra and mind control experiments.
And he assured me, assured me, that our government, though they might have at one time done something like that with MKUltra, which he had to cop to, that we are doing nothing of the sort now.
But we were hearing about it in the church committee hearings in the 1970s, and George Bush was shredding all the documents on that at the time.
So you know that they're hiding some stuff concerning that, and I'm pretty sure that, like the remote viewing program, it might have been officially terminated at some level.
But when they officially terminate any successful project, all they do is shuffle it over to some other department and give it a new name.
In other words, with respect to remote viewing, if it worked, despite the politics and whatever else might have officially killed it, if it worked, there is no way that RCIA, NSA types are not still doing it.
A great deal, primarily from John Marx and Victor Marchetti, who were the most outspoken researchers on the CIA and especially mind control abuse, things of that nature.
They were very successful in their project early on.
As early as 1953 or 1954, they got a secretary from one of their offices hypnotized into firing blanks at a supposed rival.
And this is a woman that she knew and had no problem with.
But they convinced her under hypnosis that this woman was a romantic rival and needed to be killed.
William Joseph Bryan Jr., who I mentioned earlier, boasted many times in the course of his career that he could hypnotize anybody to fire blanks at someone in six months, and in 9 to 12 could get them to fire real bullets.
Then I don't properly understand the process of hypnosis, but I have questioned many hypnotists that I've interviewed about exactly this.
In other words, yes, you cannot get somebody to do something they wouldn't normally do, but you can continually give them suggestions that would set up a scenario in which they would do something.
Here's something that people have wondered about this for a long time.
Every time there's a piece of gun control legislation pending in Congress, now this goes back, of course, prior to the Republican Congress we have now.
Every time they would get gun control, because they more or less had the votes, just prior to a vote, somebody would go postal and kill a whole bunch of people, get arrested or be killed usually in the ensuing gun battle with the police or the SWAT teams or whatever.
And I have thought, as many others have, that these could be Manchurian candidate types.
Well, when Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated that same week in the Dick Tracy comic strip, everyone was blaming things like the Dick Tracy comic strip for having created this kind of thing because they had just violently gotten rid of Tracy's arch nemesis at that time.
And they said, well, look, look how comic book violence is influencing our society.
But they're not looking at the background of Sir Han Sir Han or of William Joseph Bryan Jr., who he probably knew, and any of these connections.
I don't really address that particular issue in the book.
I'm going for the straight conscious manipulation and stuff that they're just very, very knowingly and deliberately putting out there in the content of the actual show.
There may be some sort of subliminal thing added, but I didn't really research that particular area.
All right, let's talk about some specific motion pictures.
When do you think an actual agenda, if you look back at Hollywood and the genre of these films, when do you think that an agenda was part of the production?
Well, first off, in The Thing, what you have is a virtual reproduction of the Roswell crash, which how many people knew any of the particulars about that back in 1951?
True.
This is a movie, remember, that was made by Howard Hawks, who was synonymous with the defense industry back then.
You have a saucer that has skidded to a location.
It's left a skid mark.
That's how it's identified and how it's found.
The saucer is completely destroyed, but they recovered the occupant.
The occupant is, for all practical intents and purposes, a robot.
It's bulletproof, blast-proof, blade-proof, bomb-proof, and they finally get rid of it by electricity.
The only place that these things were being seen was in New Mexico, and they happened to be always around atomic plants or defense sites.
And there was a major, major project that was being undertaken by the Atomic Energy Commission.
The FBI was called in on it, probably for sabotage implications.
I'm almost certain of that.
Just about every government bureau or agency was called into this thing to investigate it.
And they admitted that they had a lot of them identified, that they were definitely objects, they were controlled, but they couldn't specify exactly what they were.
And this study of them terminated right with the beginning of the Korean War.
They lost their funding, though I'm sure they'd already come to their conclusions, probably.
Well, how that all started, they called in Dr. Lincoln LaPaz, who had also been called in on the Roswell crash.
He was a meteor expert, and he was quite sure that the objects being seen were not meteors based on all of the reports that he was given and the fact that he could find no fragments where they supposedly came down.
You know, Bruce, we're in the same situation today.
Greenland, El Paso, Colorado, again and again and again.
We've got these things coming down.
The scientists always refer to them immediately as meteors.
I don't know how they do that because until you find it and it's a rock and you go, oh, look, a meteor, how can you declare something that has entered our atmosphere very dramatically, automatically, without question, just duh, it's a meteor?
Close Encounters also did not get any cooperation.
What happened there, Steven Stielberg wrote to NASA, and his only real official advisors consisted of J. Allen Hynek, who always waffled on UFO stuff when he got before the cameras, but who privately would admit to a lot more than he would ever in front of anyone.
And one person who had been, excuse me, maybe two controllers who had been at the 1952 Washington, D.C. sightings.
These were his advisors for that movie.
And Jacques Villais may have had a background advisory thing.
I mean, they put one of the characters in the movie to represent him, François Truffaut.
But in any event, these were his only official advisors.
And he wrote to NASA and sent them a copy of the script.
And they sent him back a 20-page letter, which did not comment on the accuracy of the script.
A lot of it had to do with research into Mars, which is a major connection with all of this.
I'd been following Richard Hoagland's research, of course, and I'd done some of my own and determined that the faces on Mars, the main Sphinx face, was actually that of a hawk or raw, and the cliff Sphinx face is actually that of a baboon or Thoth.
If I have the two major gods of Egyptian mythology, pyramids on Mars, built in the same idea as the pyramids built down here, in the same fashion, well, plainly there's a connection between Egypt and Mars, and we have to reexamine our ancient civilization.
On the personal level, I had known someone many years ago who told me a story, and she was very upset.
She made a special point to come over to my house, and I hadn't seen her in quite some time.
And she told me this story about something that had visited her in the night in her apartment.
And she specified very plainly that this thing did not threaten her and was not menacing in any way.
What she described was a perfect UFO gray, but she never did any kind of UFO research the whole time I knew her, and she was never remotely interested.
And at the time, I wasn't that into it either.
But what she was describing when I cast my mind back was pretty much a perfect UFO gray, even down to a few unpublished particulars, or things that are now getting to be talked about a bit more, but weren't back then.
And she said this thing spoke to her.
She couldn't move.
She gave the classic abduction experience report.
I could tell that she was upset by it, but she did specify that this thing never threatened her minister or even hurt her.
She was just scared by the fact that she didn't know what it was.
And once I realized that she was actually describing that experience, it wasn't until I read David Jacobs' book many, many years later that I recognized every single particular she had told me was accurate.
And not only that, I'd known her for many years, so lots of other things that she'd told me, too, were also written about in that book.
Well, I happen to have a copy, and basically, Dr. Jacobs has concluded that the visitors, as we'll call them, I guess, are by no means friendly and by no means intend any goodwill whatsoever toward us.
And he has concluded this painfully through a lot of research and, as you know, many hundreds of regressions.
Well, I can't say for a fact that he's wrong, but by the same token, from this one person that I was telling you about who had told me these things, she did not, the only thing that had upset her was that she didn't understand the whole thing.
She said, actually, this entity was very gracious to her.
I mean, you know, it was all efficient.
It just said, look, don't worry.
We just have to take a couple quick tests.
Nothing, no harm's going to come to you.
We'll drop you right back off again.
Just relax.
But she was just scared because she didn't understand what was happening.
And I've talked with some other people who I believe are genuine abductees who have said pretty much the same thing.
What he said in his recent one, he reported the same thing that he'd always reported before, which was that he'd seen the greys.
He got scared by them, and they ran out of the room.
He wandered into another room, and then he met up with a couple people in blue spacesuits who were as human-looking as you could get that didn't say anything to him, but they showed him around and smiled at him.
And the next thing he knew, he was walking on the road.
Now, the one really cool thing that I enjoyed about that movie more than any other was there was no messing around other than the baloney about the president going to Area 51 at the end.
Well, there are many, like David Jacobs, and I'll tell you what he said of late.
He said, look, Art, a lot of what you run into with regard to the first stories you get from these people, those who do report abductions, is kind of like a screensaver.
It's an instilled memory that hides what really happened behind it.
What you have in Men in Black is probably what's been going on with the National Security Agency from the beginning.
Technically, if you look at it, what have you got?
You've got your basic nameless government stooges who monitor aliens, quote unquote.
Well, if you substitute the word aliens for people who have had alien contact, then you would probably have the National Security Agency.
I'm pretty sure they were probably formed in the beginning for a number of reasons, but one of those would be to monitor anyone who was suspected of having any kind of contact with UFOs.
If you reach a level of prominence at all in this kind of research, if you're investigating UFOs especially, and if your research is good, and especially if you're talking about it, someone will come visit you.
It won't be a guy in a black suit, but someone will come visit you, and he will sit you down and have a talk with you.
And at one point, I was talking with someone, and he said, oh, you write books?
And I said, yes.
And he said, what about?
And I told him, and he was interested.
And I started showing him what I had.
And after we'd been talking for about a half hour, he interrupted me and started, I won't go into the details on all of this, probably for the same reason that you're not.
But he interrupted me specifically to rattle my cage a little bit and let me know who he was.
And after he had rattled his saber, he then calmed down and said, don't worry, they're not out to get you.
They just want to make sure that you're not out trying to incite a riot or create a cult or anything like that.
And we chatted for about three and a half hours after that.
You'll notice during different administrations there's a change in emphasis on UFO movies.
Like during Carter's presidency, Carter put $20 million into UFO research, quote unquote, that who knows where it went.
The budget for Quotes Encounters, which is about the first movie that came out in his administration, was $20 million.
I think he was sort of funding the educational project, if you will.
I mean, Jenny Randalls had heard in the House of Lords from one of her sources in there that there had been an educational project in Hollywood exactly like this.
And at the time, she blew it off.
But the more she thought about it, she thought, you know, there probably is.
And then when I see that kind of connection, the $20 million, it's very interesting.
Plus, Jimmy Carter promised before he went into office that he wanted to publicize everything he could about what the government knew about UFOs.
Do you believe that when a president is elected, he is, after taking the oath or maybe even before, taken into some great big room with a great big table and instructed in the real facts of life?
Well, during the break, which we're now moving toward, work up for me what exactly you think a president would be told by those who would do the telling.
Because obviously you believe that it does occur.
This is Coast to Coast A.M. That's R.U.X. He is a freelance author of two books on UFOs, Architects of the Underworld, Unriddling Atlantis, Anomalies of Mars in the Mystery of the Sphinx, and Hollywood versus the Aliens.
That's the new one, Hollywood versus the Aliens.
Subtitle, The Motion Picture Industry's Participation in UFO Disinformation.
And that is indeed what we have been talking about.
Bruce, welcome back.
Hello.
All right.
Bruce, imagine for me that there is a new president.
He takes the oath of office, and then somebody says, Mr. President, there is a special meeting that all presidents go to, and you are now on your way to it, and he is escorted into a big room with a gigantic mahogany desk where he sits down with a group of people, I would presume, or maybe just one, and he is instructed in the ways of life.
Now, what would you imagine would be said to that president?
That would be his first real private National Security Council meeting when they actually sit him down and say, guess what?
We've all been privy to this for a while, and we don't tell all of our elected officials this because they don't need to know.
But you do.
This is exactly what happened with the Manhattan Project.
When FDR died, his vice president didn't know anything about it.
And suddenly there's Truman taking office, and they took him into their confidence immediately and said, guess what?
We have this thing in development.
It's just about ready, and we need to know whether to drop it or not.
So I'm sure it's pretty much the same thing when our new elected official comes in, they sit him down and explain to him that, yes, UFOs are real.
You may or may not have suspected that.
They are visiting us on a regular basis.
They sabotage our military bases on a regular basis.
They abduct, hypnotize, and mind control a substantial member of the population for reasons not entirely clear, but probably toward purposes of continuance of sabotage activity against our nuclear and defense sites.
And they all have this experience, this completely benign experience that takes place over quite a period of time in which they meet these superior extraterrestrials who lay things out for them and say, look, we would like you to come join our community.
You're not exactly ready yet.
We do keep our eye out on you, and we are guiding you as best we possibly can.
And we, of course, would appreciate it if you would go back and let other people know this as well.
So they all do, and immediately they disembark from the machine.
No one perceives that they've been gone anytime at all.
It seems like they've been in there for 30 seconds or so, and suddenly they're out.
But they all come out and they say, man, you wouldn't believe what just happened to us.
And they all tell the same story, but they're all taken individually away.
And they are informed that they will not talk to anyone about this.
They say, look, you might have hallucinated.
We don't necessarily believe you.
And if you do go around talking about this, we're going to dredge up every ugly thing from your past and make you look like just a total ass.
We are really going to smear you.
So you just shut up.
Don't talk about it.
And my guess is that's probably what's happened to all the Apollo astronauts when they go into that little decontamination period for three weeks when they're brought back.
Well, I have interviewed many astronauts now, and to the man, they deny that they ever saw even a hint of anything in orbit or on the way to the moon or back or anything else.
And I've talked to them and talked to them and talked to them.
However, many of them now, strangely, years later, are almost ufologists.
I mean, they're going to UFO conferences and this sort of thing.
And to the man, they say, well, I never saw anything.
They sit him down and they give him the facts and they say, look, you can shoot your mouth off all you want to, but no one's going to believe you but your mother.
We're just going to really pull your pants down every chance we get and make a complete ass out of you.
And if they do start believing you, well, we'll bring out heavier guns.
But yeah, all we have to do is intimidate them or condition them.
And I mean, these are all military boys in the first place, except for Neil Armstrong.
Yeah, yeah, but two years ago or three, at Christmas, he went to the White House and said and gave strong hints that there are things out there, and I can't remember the exact quote, I'm sorry, but we cannot possibly imagine adventures to have.
I mean, he just went on and on and on.
He did everything but say, we'll meet him when we get there.
Yeah, it's like, again, with Carl Sagan, publicly, if you bring up UFOs or anything like that, this is a guy who would always scoff.
He would debunk.
He would give a very suave performance, making it look like it was completely idiotic.
But if you catch what he had to say at American Astronautical Society conventions and things like that, he'd take the exact opposite stance and say that it was even probable that we'd been visited a great many times in antiquity by superior extraterrestrials, that they'd probably left behind landmarks that we would recognize, that there were probably such landmarks on the far side of the moon.
He made all kinds of very categorical statements that are completely opposed to his public stance.
And then when you see him writing something like Contact, well, this is a guy who would know how the whole intimidation policy works, and he's pretty much laying it out for you.
So yeah, I'm pretty sure the astronauts went through the same thing.
And if you get some of them now talking or beginning to talk, and they're getting older, what have they got to worry about now?
Plus, I think there's a bit more openness coming on all this.
And we're getting much more awareness on UFOs publicly than has ever been at any time before.
In other words, are we about to experience contact?
Have we been, if you look at all of this as a conditioning program psychologically, then you should be able to project where we are roughly in this program.
Well, we have a basic problem, which is that it's not a unilateral program.
You have one faction of people in the government who want to educate people to the realities of extraterrestrials, to get them used to this meeting and the fact that, yes, folks, they are out there.
Don't panic.
It's all okay.
And you've got the other faction, which would be the military, which is saying, look, we have a lot of money in Star Wars, and guess what?
We're going to keep it.
So they're going to make it as threatening as possible, as often as possible.
Do you know that there is some evidence that what are called fast walkers, things moving through our atmosphere at about 25,000 miles an hour or better, have been fired upon from Earth or from space by us?
Yeah, I'm quite sure that we have a lot of space defense stuff set up, and we've been doing it from the beginning.
I mean, if you look at how paranoid we were at the end of World War II to begin with, and we'd been investigating UFOs before that, the military was already involved in it, both in Britain and the United States, and probably, I think, considerably before that.
But General Douglas MacArthur definitely was.
The RAF was definitely officially investigating it.
And these guys were coming out and making some pretty hardline defensive statements whenever they said anything about UFOs after the war.
And I would almost be willing to bet that you would consider that genre of movies, motion pictures, to be trying to achieve exactly what it is you're talking about the alien movie of today doing.
Spreading documents on MK Ultra stuff as it was coming out.
Yeah.
As soon as he came into office, there was a different emphasis again.
It was largely the way it had been during Reagan's administration, but with a much, much harder emphasis on solidarity against anything not immediately recognizable as coming from this planet.
And you can see, if you actually, and I do this in the book, I'm kind of doing it chapter by chapter, you can see these different administrations suddenly taking these different stances or modifying the stance that had been before.
Just suddenly there's a shift in emphasis on these particular movies.
Theoretically, the reason that we're not getting pictures back from the Mars Global Surveyor right now is because Mars is on the other side of the Sun.
I just don't believe that.
We have sufficient satellite link-ups that we could beam those pictures back right now.
I'm not at all surprised that, yes, it probably was not perfect.
There is one other reason they would have said it in Nevada so that they could do all the stuff that was going on in Las Vegas and have all the Egyptian settings and backgrounds during all of that.
Did you notice all the Egyptian stuff that was there throughout?
What happens is that you get some genuine researchers with the best intent, and those are the easiest ones to lead astray frequently.
What will happen is that if someone wages a sort of campaign against you or sends enough people your way to say the same stories or close enough to the same stories, you'll start believing them whether they're true or not.
And then they're sort of conditioning you and getting you ready for any other BS they want to throw your way.
Well, for all of us, all we can do is get the best information we possibly can and try and put it all together and make sense out of it, and then share notes.
This is why I write books.
I say, look, you might dispute me, but at least I can show you exactly where I got all of my material.
I'm in complete agreement with that particular thought.
I always, before I was even into all of this stuff, I always wondered why the presidents always came out looking so much more haggard when they came out.
And I used to say, well, it must have something to do with all the nuclear stuff and all of that.
Plus, I was sure it had something to do with the UFO question, but not exactly what.
Yeah, I'm sure there's a connection with that.
Yeah, they do give him the facts of life, but how do they give him the facts of life?
They can easily distort the information that they've got.
Bear in mind, it is the military that's briefing him primarily.
They're the ones that have had control of this from the beginning, and they're going to put it in the least favorable light.
If there's anything questionable, they're going to drag out the ugliest possible evidence and slant it in their favor in order to scare the president.
Because if they scare the president, and if they scare everybody else, their defense business keeps shooting up.
They would probably not tell him the more favorable aspects.
Like I was saying, if you go to the actual written documents, the original cases of abductions like Antonio Velos Boas, Betty and Barney Hill, Travis Walton, if you read their original accounts, you won't find anything threatening, menacing, hostile, evil, nasty, any of that stuff.
You don't find evil space reptiles eating the human race or vivisecting them or anything like that.
My guess is that they downplay all of that as much as they possibly can and emphasize the potential threat aspect.
I mean, you know, all they have to do is say, Mrs. Clinton, they're going to pick up your daughter.
They're going to be surgically opening her up.
God knows what they'll be doing to her.
And, you know, she's just going to be quaking in her boots.
And they can do the same thing with just about any president that goes in there.
Well, in this particular episode, you have an alien called Canameat.
That's a real hard one to figure out, right?
Canemete comes down and tries to convince the human race that he's our friend and he's showing us all these beneficial things we can do to increase the yield of our crops and improve our medicine and all this.
And there's an intelligence team that's studying him and trying to determine whether he's legit or not, whether his race really wants to help us.
And he's looking for some people to go back with him to his planet.
And they've got this long waiting line of people that want to go, and this one intelligence guy is going to go with them.
And the only thing they've been able to translate, he has this big book that he carries around.
And they've been able to translate the cover, but they haven't been able to get the rest of it because the character is a little bit different.
But then as this guy, the intelligence guy is getting on the saucer and getting ready to go, and this is a big ball alien, the classic gray, only he's large instead of small.
It's Richard Keel, the guy who played Jaws in the James Bond movies.
And as he's getting on board the saucer, his compatriot comes running out and says, no, no, don't get on that saucer.
And I was told about an incident, now listen carefully, where Bob had met with threatening men in black types when the original alien design was too familiar to a certain race.
Bob and Paul were both given actual 3D photos of another alien race to portray the evildoers in that film.
After the film was completed, Bob's makeup shop was searched and the alien photos, along with the original alien designs, were stolen and a very threatening warning sign was left.
I'd want the evidence, of course, if I were to go publishing that.
But by the same token, I'm quite sure that incidents like that have taken place.
Most of the people involved in the program, at least at the very top level, I'm sure, are completely cooperative with it.
They just pretty well do what they're told and they know essentially what's going on.
But for people who are a little bit lesser in the production team, you might have to intimidate them or more than likely trick them into getting what you wanted.
Various alien designs for different movies have been changed to be turned more into gray-looking aliens.
In other words, to make them more accurate than what the scripts originally portrayed.
The Fang is an excellent example of that, as a matter of fact.
I would say that Hollywood begins driving us, at least on the executive production level, but they pay attention to what the public is picking up and they sort of play with it.
They probably listen to us or pay attention to what we're thinking or what we're doing and kind of stick that in there too, into the mix.
Then you have things like the X-Files, which are really confused, where you've got every various kind of alien conspiracy theory popping out all over the place.
What issue that y'all talked about earlier, I've been looking into the mind control aspect of all this.
And what's really been haunting me is the Oklahoma City bombing.
I've got a video that shows the early footage locally there that was broadcasted of Oklahoma City where they discussed that the Oklahoma City County bomb crew had found undetonated bombs, more than one.
I was aware that there were reports early on that there were two other suspected devices in the building, and they cleared for blocks around and began to go look for them.
And there were conflicting reports about whether they found something or not.
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Have you heard of this video by the name of Cover Up in Oklahoma by Jerry Longspow?
I wanted to ask your guest what he thinks about the possibility of Tim McVay being a mind control candidate.
Also, I've been in some circles here in the Dallas area where one gentleman who traveled the country and talks about mind control and trying to help victims of mind control, he said that there's going to be a date, if I remember correctly, it was December 1999.
I think the exact date was December 12.
Right.
That basically all of these Manchurian candidates, these mind control candidates, are going to go Helter-Skeltzer at a certain date.
If you're familiar with the New World Order saying, you know, order out of chaos, I kind of wonder what's afoot there.
But it does seem like every time a massive negative thing happens, like it's a terrorist attack or, you know, a gunman going crazy, that we tend to lose our pieces of our Bill of Rights, the critical one being the right to keep and bear arms.
I mean, every time there's gun control legislation, at least when we had a Democrat Congress, there would be an incident.
A schoolyard would be shot up, something horrible would happen, whatever.
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Well, this video I'll send you has a federal witness, a federal worker that worked in the building that was blown up, who gave a video affidavit of what she saw like a day or two before the bombing.
She saw workers or what appeared to be two men in the parking garage handling something that looked like telephone wire and rectangular putty colored bricks.
But in the meantime, what I'm going to do is try and get my guest back on the line and ask him about Tim McVay for you.
So let me do that.
We somehow lost him.
Are you over is Bruce Rux?
They got us.
Somebody out there threw a switch, Bruce, and they got us.
Nah, it was just a disconnect.
Listen, a caller was asking whether you thought Tim McVeigh with regard to the Oklahoma City tragedy might have been one of these mind control types that we talked about.
But you maintain, nevertheless, that given the right circumstances, somebody can be, over a period of time, with hypnosis only or hypnosis and drugs, conditioned to commit a crime like that?
And the Hinkleys were very, very, very good friends of the Bushes.
In fact, John Hinkley's brother had a dinner date arrangement with Neil Bush of the later Silverado Savings and Loan scandal fame for the same night that John shot President Reagan.
One quick thing is a confirmation on that exploding bullet.
It came from Dr. Benjamin Aaron, who was the head of the cardiothoracic surgery at George Washington University Medical Center and was reported in the mortal presidency by Robert E. Gilbert.
First of all, the first kind of incident that my family ever had, apparently, was when my grandmother was a little girl, when a meteorite fell from the sky and rolled under a home that was just across the street from where she lived in Meridian, Mississippi.
There was a woman in the home that was ill, and apparently she died at the exact moment that this object rolled under her house.
That sort of has set a tone in some strange kind of way with our family.
My mother ended up working as an administrative aide, kind of a person secretary, I guess you'd say.
I'm a little nervous, with the Pentagon and with the Air Force on Project Blue Book.
So I grew up as a child knowing that people were sending in all of these photos and letters describing what they saw as unidentified flying objects and having these little pat answers sent to them saying, you know, thank you, Mr. and Mrs. America, for your concern about the safety of the nation.
However, there's nothing to it.
It's a sunspot.
And then they would, you know, get busy and start doing some investigating to find out what in the world was going on.
The other thing is with me as a child, I began to have quite a few of what I would call, I can only say they were visitations.
I don't know what else to say.
I don't ever see myself being taken up in a spaceship.
All I know is that I was informed in some very interesting way about things that were going on beyond this particular planet.
And it was a very interesting education that lasted through my childhood up to the very first day of high school, at which time I was told that life would have to teach me now.
Listen, time says I've got to go, but you're right.
And of course, Ronald Reagan made how many references to the possibility that Earth might have to get together to fight aliens or an invading armada from space?
I originally started off doing special makeup effects in the film industry and then moved into more technical mechanical systems for films and then the theme park industry.
At this point, from what I can tell, after about 12 years in the industry, I've never been approached by anybody that seems suspicious regarding any connection of what Hollywood produces and what is perceived to be some type of conspiracy theory of the government influencing Hollywood.
Hollywood is influenced by one thing, and that's money.
Regardless of what some special effects artists have said about the alien autopsy film, you know, most everybody else in the industry has said, you know, anybody could do that.
Well, of course they're paying attention to that, naturally.
And if someone were to approach anyone in the industry, it probably would be someone higher up on the production level.
They don't go to every single person involved in the making of a movie and say, this is our program and this is what we want you to do.
It's just the person at the very top knows.
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That's true, but they don't always make all the executive decisions.
You may have somebody in a position who guides the money on the production of a film, but still the creative decisions, even on down the line as far as maybe what something looks like or how it's visually interpreted, that's not always known up at the top, at least initially.
Sometimes it comes from the bottom or the middle rank.
I do this program, and I've got to sit here and ask myself, am I somewhere out of my mind?
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Well, I've been involved in everything from above the line, what they call above the line, and below the line.
And it's about money.
I mean, I wish it was more exciting than that, but it's not.
It's about cash.
And if you want to talk about manipulation and mind control, you know, that's what is happening as people sublimate themselves when they watch professional sports or the like.
I'm not saying that people in the industry are being mind controlled into doing this or anything like that.
And especially these days, when it comes to the design of aliens, I think they pretty well give everyone free reign.
But it was much different back in the 1950s.
There are several bits of evidence where on the production executive level, someone who would submit a script or an alien design would have it changed at the executive level into something that looked much more like a UFO gray.
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Well, I've known a lot of the original special makeup effects people who started and go all the way back to, say, the Wizard of Oz.
And most of them would look at this and they'd say, you know, unfortunately, it's absolutely ridiculous.
This hasn't happened and isn't happening.
And like I said, I've seen it from above the line, below the line.
And they had on their TV show a program where they had a guy from the Royal Observer Corps.
Now, these are guys who are trained aircraft observers.
And he said that he has seen a black triangular or delta-shaped UFO following close behind a KC-135 extender tanker in the company of two F-15Es.
Now, I was wondering if your guest would care to comment upon the possible terrestrial origin of these UFOs or other types of UFOs categorized by, say, shape.
That was my big sighting was a triangular, I saw a triangular right over my head, 150 feet, big UFO.
And so would you care to comment on the possibility that these are not at all aliens, but in fact are part of this wonderful military-industrial complex we've been talking about tonight?
I'm sure some of them are, or at least are some experiments.
I'm sure Area 51 is working on things like that, as well as other different defense complex areas in the country and elsewhere.
My reason for believing that not all of them can be is that the UFO and Mars opposition correlation has been consistent since well before the military-industrial complex was even around.
In other words, these visitations go back through history substantially, and I can't believe that the military was behind those.
My firm belief is that from Roswell on, at least, if not before, that from Roswell, once we started picking up some of the technology, we bent all of our resources toward duplicating it and improving what we had.
In other words, we're trying to catch up to them.
And yes, I'm sure that some of the UFOs that are seen probably are Air Force experiments.
Yes, but the movie Conspiracy Theory has nothing to do with it.
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Well, I understand that.
And I just have one more comment, and that happens to be that one of my best friends happens to be a doctor, and he does hypnosis.
And I had a talk with him at length about being able to do mind control.
And he told me, you know, in all the classes that he's taken, he's been doing this for years, that there's no way that you can make someone do something that they don't want to do.
In other words, if you could be convinced that you were in a fight-or-flight situation, and mentally that's where you were, and you thought somebody was about to off you, you would off them first.
In other words, if through a series of hypnotic suggestions, I could finally convince you that somebody was going to show up at 9 o'clock Saturday night with a gun to kill you.
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You'd have to be a paranoid schizophrenic in order to get me to do that.
You know, I want to argue that with you because, for one, there's no way that talking to you or your gentleman here or whatever, you're going to get me that paranoid.
Well, the point is, as he was trying to tell you, under a period of conditioning, if you combine that with narcosynthesis, when the CIA did have success with this kind of project, what's in their records, what they did was convince someone that a friend of hers was actually an enemy.
And at that point, she did actually fire on that person with blanks and did not have any memory of it later, at least according to the official CIA documents on it.
And you can't do it with every single person in the population.
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And what you're telling me is they did that strictly through hypnosis.
Yeah, the point that I was just trying to make is I was going to say under kind of extreme stress, you could get somebody to do anything.
And the point that I was trying to make was like during the Second World War, when the Nazis were going and they were trying to learn human behavior, they realized that sleep deprivation and stuff like that, you could get someone to virtually go crazy.
I'm just talking about mind control experiments and what's been accomplished.
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Well, you know, all I know is that from everyone that I've ever talked to and the gentleman that I know personally that's done this hypnosis, it doesn't happen.
Morris Allen, who was the head of the CIA's hypnosis branch at that time in 1954, on February 19th of that year, got his secretary to fire a gun full of blanks at a woman, convinced that that woman was her rival.
And she had no memory of even doing it afterwards.
That's in the CIA's actual documents, as reported by John Marks.
If you want to doubt a former State Department member and those documents, you were more than, I mean, you can certainly do that, but that's where it came from.
I think that's a very popular image that the agency is actually trying to put out right now is that we're under our greatest threat from terrorism.
And what Millennium is trying to do, or if there is a subliminal intent in Millennium, and there could be, what it is, is to just keep people kind of nervous and scared and wanting lots of good, strong federal government protection.
Basically, you want those good FBI heroes to protect you from Waco and Oklahoma and this weirdo next door who thinks the Millennium is coming and wants to cut your heart out and eat it.
Yeah, it was a website that was basically about the idea was hacking into a NASA website and getting information that you weren't supposed to be getting about information being piped back from another planet, another galaxy.
There was a show on the internet called The Spot that was very popular, and a company called Tatal and Collins, which was an ad agency, basically attempted to create a network from that show, and Eon 4 was its second show.
And we had a gentleman by the name of Rockne O'Bannon who wrote Alien Nation.
Anyway, he was the writer of Alien Nation, and we got him on board to write Eon 4, which, interestingly enough, we've come to find out in the long run, the story of Eon 4 was very similar to the story of Contact.
But anyway, I mean, my reason for calling was during the creative process of trying to get this show launched, it became very clear to us early on that we were going to have to make the aliens look like the Greys if we were going to get anyone to believe it.
And it was very successful in getting people to believe it.
In fact, I would say the show was on for all of about three days when we started getting a ton of traffic coming in.
And we finally figured out where the traffic was coming from.
Well, thanks for the link because it got us cool sight of the day.
And from that point, it launched a 12-month successful show.
So thanks for that.
But the interesting thing for me in the whole process was how there were continual spikes of people that would come in who really would believe this stuff.
And I think part of it was because we went out of our way to try to make it as convincing as possible.
And we had done our research well enough, you know, as far as the alien theories and the UFO theories to try to make elements resemble, you know, all the things that we hear.
I might venture to suggest that if Rockne O'Bannon was associated with it, it's possible.
I would not know this for a fact.
It's just a possibility.
It might have been a test kind of to throw out there to see how people would respond if this type of information got out.
In other words, make it look as authentic as possible and see what sort of response you get.
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Well, that might be, but, you know, having worked with Rockney for a while, I would doubt that.
And further, it was me that was fighting tooth and nail to make sure that the aliens looked like the Greys.
He had a completely different idea of what they should look like.
And the whole reason I fought for them to be the Greys was because our idea with this website was if we were going to generate an audience that would participate, we had to make it believable just long enough to where people would suspend this belief, try to figure out what was going on, and our theory was people would either hate us and leave or become very intrigued and stick around.
The comment is, I did recently read a book on hypnosis that was a scholarly work, and the research on that did indicate that you could make anybody do pretty much anything you want them to do.
Pretty much when they tell people that they won't do things they wouldn't normally do, that that's just to calm them down, to relax them, and gain the trust of the hypnotist.
As I was sitting there struggling with a project that had been in what we call development hell for two years, I was sitting there writing, contemplating moving on to another project, and I heard about this little creature called the Chupacabra.
We picked it as a very cool vehicle to tell a story full of very interesting characters, and in particular, Latino characters, because I myself am a Latino director.
And I got to tell you, Bruce, I really, you know, at least in my particular case, and I'm not going to poop on your theories.
Before you do or don't poop, what is the name of your movie?
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Oh, the name of the movie is Chupacabra, and the working title is Chupacabra, The Blood Hunt, but we don't know if we're going to keep the Blood Hunt title because more and more it turned into a really interesting film, and the subtitle doesn't apply as much anymore.
But it will be out later this year.
As a matter of fact, Art, I know you hate to do movies.
I know you hate to do television, but I've got the perfect audio role for you in this movie as a dispatcher.
And since you inspired the movie, boy, what a tribute.
Anyway, Bruce, you know, I've heard of all kinds of crazy things going on in the Hollywood evolved.
But let me tell you, the real reason we did this movie and the reason why we didn't spend two years in development hell with it was because it was independently produced.
We raised most of the money ourselves from independent sources who were not related to covert operations.
And then the other reason is in the past two years, the number one movies at the box office have been ID4 and Men in Black, and two movies that handled aliens in completely different ways, but did have Will Smith in common, oddly enough.
And the other thing is that we feel that the box office potential for a movie like Chupacabra, especially for an independent film like ours, which doesn't have big stars in it, featuring a Chupacabra is like having a huge star in our movie without having to pay him for it.
So we are very, very excited about it, and we fall very, very short of the theory that Hollywood is being influenced.
Now, I'm not here to say that that type of machinery, you know, movies and television and media in general are a very powerful medium.
They dictate the way we think, the way we talk, the way we dress.
And yeah, there could be some forces at work, but I find it very, very far-fetched to believe as an executive working producer in Hollywood that that type of stuff would be going on.
Well, I don't believe that the CIA or military intelligence is connected with every single producer or every single production about aliens or otherwise.
But there is a strong connection in some instances, a good many of them, and I cite them in chapter and verse in my book.
No, a lot of movies are just made by independent producers like yourself.
That doesn't surprise me at all.
And I'm not saying there's a big giant overarching conspiracy.
I'm just saying that I can demonstrate in certain movies and at certain studios, there has been a very strong governmental connection and strong influence on altering various alien movies in order to make them fit closer to the facts.
Well, there are a few still today, but it's much less noticeable for one simple reason, which is, as you say, due to Independence Day and Men in Black and several movies before that, the genre just took off on its own.
I'm possibly willing to buy that because of things that I've heard.
I mean, you know, we've all heard the J. Edgar Hoover stories, for example.
And, you know, the funny part about this is that, you know, I believe in the best of the conspiracies and stuff.
But in my particular example, and even in the example of ID4, which was produced by a friend of mine called Dean Devlin, who's the co-executive producer of that film and who is now producing Godzilla.
We've been trying to exploit alien technology, which is Egyptian, that we discovered back in the 1920s.
We send a nuclear device to the Egyptian planet of man's origins in order to try and forestall a war between them and its occupants.
This is exactly what happened with the Pholos incident.
We sent, in 1989, there was the Mars probe that, the Russian Mars probe, the last thing it photographed was a UFO, and it had state-of-the-art Star Wars weaponry on it.
That's true.
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Well, that is very, very true.
But now, what proof or what have you heard about Dean?
Well, I don't say in the book that he's hooked up or anything like that because I don't know, and I haven't done enough personal research on him to say.
But I do find it very interesting that he was making a movie that seems to tally so very closely with actual ascertainable facts.
And that, of course, the most recent thing he did was this major doomsday, Independence Day thing.
The script that I had in development held for two years before then that I had written had to do with a situation that is very similar to what is happening with the president now and also tying into a sort of modern-day Robin Hood story and some computer hackers who were getting even with some thieves who were involved in the savings and loan scandals.
Now, that film, I've got stories to tell about some of the stuff that went on there and how that film was prevented from being made.
I mean, now you get the sort of the conspiracy freak side of it.
And Gene Roddenberry, I can prove, was hooked up with the CIA because he was the personal protege of LAPD Chief William Parker right before he did Star Trek.
He didn't name Parker specifically, but he did say that the major members, the highest up people in various local police departments, did come down to Camp Peary and train with the CIA.
Basically, anything that I talk about, anything that's in my research, I treat it kind of the same way that any homicide detective would, which is to say, I'll tell the press or the public just about everything, except for very minor details.
And especially as far as abduction research goes or anything like that.
Because if you get people that claim to be abductees or whatever, you need to have certain things kept secret so that when they toss these things at you, if you're catching something way out of the left field, it only comes from that area.
The only way you can keep that secure is just not to talk about it.
So those kind of things, yeah, there are a couple minor little details here and there that I don't discuss, but pretty well everything else I do.
Okay, and then the second question, did you see that X-File series where they had these Air Force pilots who were flying these triangular-shaped things and they would come back?
The best episodes that are ever on that show and the most accurate ones are probably the ones dealing with the military and the military's way of going about things.
They do a very good job of that.
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Yeah, I've seen a lot of stuff when I used to live in Montgomery right near Maxwell Air Force Base.
I've seen a lot of weird craft fly over that area.
I do know that he was one of John W. Campbell Jr.'s protégés.
Campbell was the one that wrote the story that The Thing from Another World was based on.
Both stories were substantially changed from their original material to more closely match accurate ufological facts that were not then known at that time.
Unfortunately, I'm under a bit of non-disclosure about it.
Can't tell you too much.
But in regards to what you're talking about, I am a sci-fi fan and have a few ideas on the back burner for some sci-fi scripts.
And I got to admit, like a previous caller said, the guy who was developing the Chupacabra script, I've drawn a lot of ideas just from things I've heard on your show.
And, you know, being a sci-fi fan in general, most of sci-fi comes from Hollywood.
And if you've been watching the X-Files, like last week, what Mulder said, that we're starting to feed on our own mythology here, I think what your guest is getting at, well, he has a point.
Where do we draw the line between everyone being in a conspiracy?
you take it from there well Bryce Abel He produced the first movie on the sci-fi channel, and right after he did that, he got this call, phone call out of the blue, from someone claiming to have been attached to MJ-12.
Now, my guess is it was probably William Cooper, only because all of the stuff that comes out in Dark Skies might as well have come straight out of his book.
And William Cooper is a guy who professes to have witnessed the Kennedy assassination, or more specifically, to have seen Kennedy's driver turn around and shoot him on November 22, 1963, which he could not possibly have done because TV sets blacked out.
Well, the last thing I did on TV, which was closest to what we're talking about, was an episode of Baywatch Nights where I was a guy in a ship, in a cargo ship, looking around in these crates in the bottom of the hull there.
And I see this one crate, and stuff is coming out of it goo and this sea creature type thing jumps out of it and latches onto my face turns me into a monster and I go around killing people.
But small little roll, nothing big.
I don't think you would recognize me, I think.
But by the way, I'm a friend of Sean David Morton.
But I mean, what do you think of the entire concept that we're throwing around tonight, that Hollywood, at least way back when, was influenced and moved in a certain direction.
And that, of course, the snowball is well underway now, and a lot of movies and TV shows have made money.
But that the whole thing was directed.
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Well, I have a statement and actually a question after that.
First of all, do you know who, Bruce, do you know who Tony Robbins is, Anthony Robbins?
Now, give me, just tell me if you can give me something that he was associated with.
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He does infomercials on personal power.
He's like the personal power guru, and he has people.
Now, that guy, he takes people on fire walks.
He has them walking hot coals, and he has them do it in about three hours of, like, counseling or I don't know what the technique is, but I know people who've takes people on firewalks.
He has them walk on hot coals, and he has them do it in about three hours of counseling, or I don't know what the technique is, but I know people who've done these firewalks, and the metal zipper on their pants will melt, but nothing will happen to their hand feet, you know, the bottom of their feet.
Yeah, so I mean, if he can get people to do it just like that, boom, in three hours, your whole hypnosis thing, I totally believe it, you know, as far as that power of manipulating the mind.
Now, the question is, Murph Griffin, he was a friend of Reagan, Ronald Reagan, president.
Reagan well he asked Reagan what was it like to negotiate with these powerful people like Gorbachev these rulers of the world isn't it just frightening you know when you have to He said, when I was president of Screen Actors Guild, and I had to negotiate with Jack Warner and the heads, the moguls, he said, that was terrifying.
These people have a lot of power, you know?
And I often wondered, you know, what these guys are into and what kind of connections they have.
I mean, because the scope of the movies, I mean, it moves the world.
But anyway, how much of this, I wonder, is a conspiracy?
And how much of this comes from the id or just the collective consciousness of what we're moving into?
But especially in the beginning, which is basically what I'm talking about, conspiracy is really the wrong word.
What we're talking about is the establishment.
This is just who these people are, you know?
Like, the powers that be are the powers that be.
And they say this is the way we want things to work.
They sort of shape things and mold things.
And they would, as you were saying, TV and motion pictures are very, very powerful.
They're very influential.
So obviously they would have an interest in controlling that and influencing that.
If they wanted to either deflect people or educate people on any topic, but something like UFOs especially, then that's the type of place they would go.
And as a matter of fact, the CIA did recommend in 1953 that Hollywood be used for exactly that purpose.
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I noticed that Mr. Rogers, you know, Mr. Rogers' neighborhood, the kids' show, he has a new friend in the neighborhood, and he's from Mars.
My guess would be that, well, there are several different possibilities, and it's difficult to speculate.
It's possible, one of the possibilities of all of this is that they all died off a long time ago, and there's nothing but their machinery still operating and still doing what it was programmed to do.
In that case, it could be that certain machinery that has been pre-programmed to do something is now coming to life.
Or it could be that someone is returning there that has gone someplace else.
Here's somebody wanting to ask you about several contemporary occurrences.
For example, Bruce, a Gulf Breeze, for example, Phoenix, for example, fireballs recently over Colorado, gigantic kiloton range things blowing up over the Skies and crashing into Greenland.
For one thing, the Gulf Breeze thing has all, it's not exactly been admitted to as a hoax, but I think everyone kind of accepts that it is.
I've believed that it was a hoax from the start, and I still do.
That's not to say that there have not been some legitimate sightings in Gulf Breeze, but the actual Gulf Breeze case, I'm pretty sure, is a deliberate hoax in order to deflect people from that.
You can find that all through the history of UFO sightings.
They've been doing it from the beginning.
That's partially when we were getting to the abduction researchers.
There have been definitely fake abductees.
That's not speculation.
That's been proven.
There was a woman that got her way into John Mack's confidence and then exposed herself as a fake.
I mean, here you've got something almost out of ID4 appearing over a city, seen by good zillions of people, photographed again and again and again from about 16 separate locations.
I mean, heck, if people watch it, if there was a purpose to making it, the only way they could get anyone to watch it, you know, to get that information out and to discredit or whatever disinformation that they were trying to produce, the only way they could do it is to get big-name stars.
I guess, you know, the first thing that struck me is that there's absolutely no way this movie needed to be made.
He was hooked up with a particular corporation, the name of which escapes me right at the moment, although I'm sure I'll remember it as soon as we're done with this.
All right, and to the caller, I'm sorry, I don't allow people to give out World Wide Web addresses because I too many times have sent gazillions of people to porn sites by mistake by letting somebody give out an address that did not turn out to be what it was supposed to be.
So until I confirm them, I don't do that.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Bruce Rux.
Hi.
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Hello.
I just had one question.
During one of the breaks, I heard my local station do an ABC report on the Democrats and Republicans presently going through a pre-adolescent debate on, you know, did not, did to, did not, did to with the with some kind of a Democrat funding.
But do you think it's time or has been time for a while to do the necessary adjusting or making a new Constitution?
And on the flip side, if that did happen, would it make any difference?
There are many people who believe, Bruce, that all of this alien business is going to culminate in some great setup that is going to cause us all to welcome with open hands some single world unified government that would protect our butts.
Okay, maybe one of the reasons you haven't been getting much calls from Hollywood areas is because Oh, X-Files and all those shows, you know, like Lake Manalium.
Well, you don't have a minute because the show is ending, so you've got to get to the punchline here.
How does that relate to what we're talking about?
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Okay, at the very end, the overseer and director of the region, as these forces were regionalized, I go to, he's sitting in a chair, he turns around, he's a two and a half foot tall black chalk, like a chalkboard, slate-colored individual who's laughing at me, sneering, and he's basically talking about a victory.
And a real quick note, it was the August 29th, 1996 episode of your show that Ed Dames said that there was a biological, quote-unquote, command and control element beneath the Martian surface.