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March 3, 1998 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Cynthia Turnage - ET Stories
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art bell
Here is Cynthia Turnage.
Cynthia, welcome to the program.
cynthia turnage
Hi.
Good to be here.
art bell
I got, I guess, you know, a fax or email from one of your fans, and they listed your books, and I was absolutely fascinated.
Really neat titles, bound to be neat material.
Tell us a little bit about yourself first.
cynthia turnage
Well, I'm a freelance writer and speaker.
I have a little bit of a background in history and ancient languages.
I've studied over 300 translations of ancient Mesopotamian and Vedic scriptures, Hebrew and Greek scriptures, the Egyptian writings, and extra-biblical books such as Enoch the Prophet.
I'm a member of the Ancient Astronaut Society in Mufan.
I've done a lot of radio and a few television appearances.
I've been on Strange Universe.
That's about it.
art bell
Oh, I certainly know the people over at Strange Universe, very good people.
That show now has been canceled.
cynthia turnage
I know, right after they did mine.
art bell
Oh, really?
cynthia turnage
Yeah.
art bell
But most of the principals, you know, the people who are working there are off to good and better things now.
cynthia turnage
You know Arthur Machiro then, huh?
unidentified
He's the one that recruited me for the show.
art bell
Yes, indeed.
All right.
Listen, sexual encounters with extraterrestrials.
Now, I had a woman on my show named Pamela.
And this should make everything that you will say not nearly so shocking.
Pamela, I don't know if you're...
cynthia turnage
No, but I do know who you're talking about.
Did she have an affair with a reptilian?
art bell
She certainly did.
cynthia turnage
Okay, I know another woman that had one.
art bell
A serious long-term affair.
cynthia turnage
Yes, she did, too.
art bell
And as a matter of fact, she drew a picture of this scaly guy, and we have it up on the website, which is very interesting.
unidentified
What'd he look like?
art bell
About a cross between a human guy, but I would say more lizard than guy.
You know what I mean?
cynthia turnage
He kind of looked like a man.
Did he have hair on his head, you know?
art bell
Oh, let's see.
Heron has said, no, I don't think so.
He certainly had a green scale, so he was pretty lizard-like.
cynthia turnage
The guy that, well, the alien, there was this lady, a truck stop waitress here in Texas, and she also had a long-term affair with the reptilian that lasted about 18 months.
My husband actually interviewed her, and she said that he looked like a human man, except for his skin was green and kind of scaly, but he had hair on his head.
It kind of struck me like he was like a hybrid between the two.
art bell
Well, I mean, you wrote a whole book on the topic.
So what did you conclude from the study you must have had to have done to write on this topic in the first place?
cynthia turnage
Well, I concluded that this doesn't always happen in every abduction scenario, but it does happen occasionally.
I think that there's some of it's going on for hybridization, but actually I think it's more like boredom on the part of the extraterrestrials.
You know, let's say that they're coming here, they're not bringing their females with them.
They're here for a long period of time.
They're getting bored.
They're like guys overseas.
art bell
They're like our guys.
Well, I was there.
So I remember.
But I never had to resort to lizards.
cynthia turnage
Well, they're not resorting to lizards.
They're resorting to humans.
art bell
Well, I know, but anyway.
Yeah, but in the case of Pamela, when you interview Pamela and you really drag the truth from her, she preferred lizards.
cynthia turnage
Well, this girl, this truck stop waitress, she also preferred this guy.
And when he got killed, she just went totally crazy.
She loved him.
art bell
He was killed?
cynthia turnage
Yeah, his ship crashed, and then he didn't show up where he was supposed to meet her for like three weeks.
And then eventually three of his buddies showed up, and they told her what had happened, and she just kind of went crazy.
art bell
How I don't even know how to ask about this, but how did she come to encounter a lizard or the other way around, an E.T. encounter her, I guess, abductions?
cynthia turnage
Well, what happened was she kind of lived out in the country in a kind of secluded area, and she said that she kept seeing this light outside her bedroom window at night, and it looked like it was going out in the woods.
She got curious.
She goes out there, and this reptilian comes out of this ship.
There's a landed craft in the woods.
They get to know each other.
I don't know how, but they do get to know each other.
And then she starts going onto the ship.
A romance starts.
The reason my husband interviewed her was because he wanted to know how the ship operated and how it worked.
And she explained to him the mechanics of the thing.
It works with tetrahedral.
It's like going to a higher dimension.
art bell
Tetrahedral power.
Richard, are you listening?
cynthia turnage
Yeah, she needs to be listening.
He needs to talk to my husband.
My husband is a physicist, and he wire-wrapped this tetrahedron.
It's a nested tetrahedron.
It's kind of hard for me to explain it because I'm not that good in physics.
art bell
She wire-wrapped?
cynthia turnage
My husband did, yeah.
He talked to that woman.
He took copious notes.
She explained that when it got to this certain, when the thing got to this certain energy level, that the ship would actually go hyperdimensional, and that's how they traveled.
art bell
Oh.
cynthia turnage
My husband wasn't interested in her sexual affair with the reptilian.
He wanted to know how the ship worked.
art bell
I understand that, but I suppose he had to listen to what was said and had to understand how the relationship occurred.
But that is your area of interest.
cynthia turnage
Right, and I wound up with her notes, so I've gleaned what I could out of the notes, and we've put the story down and put it together as best we could.
art bell
How many cases of ET-human sexual interaction have you documented?
cynthia turnage
Well, I have about like 35 in the book.
But since this book has been available, you wouldn't believe how many people have written to me and told me, oh, I've had an encounter.
I want to talk to you.
I got one like two days ago.
This woman wants me to call her and she wants to tell me all about it.
art bell
Now, that's what got me about Pamela.
I thought this is the weirdest of them all.
And the audience reaction is going to be horrible.
But both times I had Pamela on, I'm telling you, the phones were full of people saying, I, too, have had this kind of sexual encounter, men and women.
cynthia turnage
I'm thinking about expanding my book because I keep getting more cases.
And yeah, you're right, men and women.
As a matter of fact, there's a guy over here in Fort Worth.
He had an affair.
Well, not an affair, just a one-night stand, I guess you'd say, with a tall Nordic female.
art bell
Oh, a tall Nordic.
unidentified
Yeah.
art bell
Now, that doesn't sound so bad.
This lizard thing bothers me, but the tall Nordics, they might be all right.
cynthia turnage
Well, he said that she was extraordinarily beautiful.
What happened to him?
Now, this guy, he's real honest.
He's a hard-working little guy.
He didn't make this up.
I met him at a MUFON meeting.
art bell
Now, wait a minute.
How do you know he didn't make it up?
cynthia turnage
Because when he was describing the inside of the spacecraft, my husband was sitting there taking copious notes again.
art bell
Of course.
cynthia turnage
And there were things said about the craft that Alvin could not have made up.
He wouldn't have known.
He doesn't have a degree in physics.
unidentified
Right.
cynthia turnage
He doesn't know how spacecrafts operate, that type thing.
That's why I believed him, and he's so sincere and honest about it.
art bell
All right.
With regard to the information that your husband gathers, you're apparently a team effort, I guess, huh?
cynthia turnage
Oh, yes, definitely.
art bell
All right.
Well, when he talks to these various abductees, does he find, this is really a serious question, does he find a common thread in the descriptions of technical devices or not?
Yes.
Yes.
cynthia turnage
Usually it has to do with the nested tetrahedrons and the hyperdimensional physics, which explains how the ships can be in one place one minute and then just disappear and be gone.
art bell
Actually, it does explain that.
cynthia turnage
They've gone to the higher dimension.
art bell
Richard is jumping up and down about now.
cynthia turnage
Well, he needs to call my husband.
art bell
Your husband is a physicist.
What kind of work does he do?
cynthia turnage
Oh, you're going to love this.
This ties in with my work.
He is working with water.
He's developed a version of the water of life that's talked about in the Bible.
And I had written about that in my book, The Holy Bible's an extraterrestrial transmission.
Before I met my husband, I was theorizing that if they took the heavy water molecules, deuterium, out of water, that might prolong human life.
Well, little did I know, 40 miles away in a lab, my husband was doing that.
art bell
Wow.
cynthia turnage
My husband has actually written a paper.
He's created a type of water that is like the water at the moment of creation.
It has no information in it.
It has no sound frequency in it.
art bell
How do you create the water like that?
In other words, how do you know what water was at the moment of creation or even anywhere near it compared to now?
cynthia turnage
It's called monatomic hydrogen, and it has no information whatsoever in it.
It has no particles of any type in it.
It has no sound frequencies.
It has no information of any type in it.
And that type of water is so pure you can't even swallow it because your brain registers that as pure water and it's absorbed in your tongue by your tongue.
art bell
Wow.
cynthia turnage
You probably need to have my husband on this show sometime and let him tell you about his amazing, fascinating work that he's doing to clean up this planet.
He's going to clean up all the wastewater, the sewage treatment.
He oxygenates the water and that breaks down the bacteria in it.
And oxygenating this water of life stuff that he's making also is good for the human body.
We've been drinking it now for a couple of years.
art bell
Well, you're quite a team.
Anyway, remaining with that first book for a moment, a lot of people are very concerned about this.
cynthia turnage
About the sex of aliens?
art bell
Of course.
For example, are there indications that these sexual unions have produced offspring?
cynthia turnage
Oh, yes.
Bud Hawkins wrote a book, and there's a woman in it, and I think Kathy Davis was the name they used.
And she saw her little hybrid children, and not only her, but there's been numerous other cases where they claim that they've seen a baby that looks like a little cross between a little gray and a human, and it's got the wispy blonde hair and the big eyes.
Some of the aliens that we're seeing now that people are telling about appear to be crosses between humans and some type of extraterrestrial.
I used to know this, or I know this girl named Christine Marsiglio that used to work for Bud Hopkins, and she would go through his mail for him, and he's only interested in cases that concern the little grays.
She would sort his mail out, and she noticed that she began to get stacks of like the tall Nordic-looking aliens, the type I write about.
Then there'd be the insect-like, then there would be the reptilians.
art bell
Now, if there's anything worse than reptilians, it would be the insects.
cynthia turnage
Yeah, I agree.
art bell
Oh, you do?
cynthia turnage
Yeah, so she was keeping up with all this stuff, and she began to notice that people were also reporting crosses between those various races.
art bell
Now, see, it's rather difficult for me to imagine a cross between a human and an insect.
cynthia turnage
Well, if you look at the ancient Mesopotamian texts when the gods were playing around trying to create man, they used various types of animals that they mixed them with.
You know, they mixed us with like a fish, and that's where that concept of the mermaid came up with, a person's body, you know, being fish at the bottom and human at the top.
The Minotaur of the, I think, the Greeks had the bull's body, or maybe it was a human body and a bull's head.
And of course, you know, there was a lot of different other types of chimera-type creatures like that created.
They would just use like the lion's body and put the human head on it.
art bell
Okay, well, this is not an impertinent question, but I've got to ask: of the number of cases, because I've only talked to Pamela, of the number of cases that you have studied, how many of the human partners found it satisfactory or okay or didn't complain a lot?
cynthia turnage
Well, most of the people liked it.
Alvin definitely liked it with the tall Nordic female.
And this other, the truck stop waitress liked it.
And the most famous case that I really liked the most is Antonio Villas-Boas.
It occurred in 1957 in Brazil.
What happened?
Well, he was abducted.
First, he began to see these UFOs around his house.
He was just a Brazilian farmer, and he'd be out working on his tractor and everything, and then he'd see these UFOs.
Eventually, he got abducted and taken aboard a spacecraft, and these beings that abducted him, they appeared to be man-like, but they were wearing space suits, and all he could see was their eyes.
There were about five of them.
They were about five feet tall.
They took him on board the ship.
They gave him a medical examination.
They stripped his clothes off.
They sponged him down with like a purple liquid.
They took him to a little round circular room, and they threw him naked inside the room.
The door shut, and then this gas came in there, and it made Antonio real sick, and he threw up.
And then after he threw up, he felt better.
Well, a few minutes later, this beautiful alien woman comes striding in the door, and she's about four and a half feet tall.
She had real pure white skin, pure white hair.
He said she had blood-red pubic hair.
Her eyes were real exotic, and they kind of slanted upward.
And after she came in, she began to make sexual advances to Antonio.
art bell
But he had just thrown chunks.
cynthia turnage
Well, I guess he said she was the most beautiful little woman he had ever seen.
And he said she had a real exotic smell, and he got, you know, aroused.
So he did go ahead and have sex with her several times.
But he did complain that she couldn't talk when she made any sounds at all.
They sounded like an animal, almost like the barking of a dog.
art bell
There's a lot of human males who would consider that an asset.
cynthia turnage
He didn't like it, though.
art bell
He didn't like it.
cynthia turnage
But anyway, once they had finished having sex, then she pointed at him and she pointed at her belly, then she pointed at the sky.
Then she left, and then a few.
art bell
Well, even I know what that means.
cynthia turnage
Well, we figure that out easily.
art bell
You made little one.
cynthia turnage
Right.
art bell
I go home.
cynthia turnage
Right.
Then the other guys, they came and they drug him out and they gave him his clothes back and they took him off the spaceship and left him.
And Antonio was never going to say anything about this to anyone because he didn't think they would believe it.
But what happened was he got radiation burns somehow, I guess, when he was going on board the ship or whatever.
But he got so ill that he had to seek medical attention.
And this Dr. Fontes in Brazil studied the case.
He couldn't figure out how Antonio had gotten these radiation burns.
But it came to the attention of ufologists here in America.
art bell
And they figured out that.
It didn't seem to be related to the sexual contact, did it?
cynthia turnage
No, it wasn't related to the sexual contact, but something about that spacecraft, probably when they were bringing him aboard, he didn't have a protective suit on or anything.
He got the radiation at that time.
art bell
Rather inconsiderate of them.
cynthia turnage
Yeah, that's how that case came to light.
But the thing that I thought was real interesting about this, the fact that...
art bell
Hold that.
I love hooks.
So let's let this be a hook, and we'll bring you back after the break.
You've got about six minutes.
Relax.
Relax.
Cynthia Turnich is my guest.
unidentified
We'll let this one go for a while.
art bell
Cynthia?
cynthia turnage
Yes.
art bell
All right.
We were discussing a very interesting case in Brazil.
cynthia turnage
Yes, I wanted to explain something that I think, the reason why they put the gas in the room when Antonio was in there.
unidentified
Yes.
cynthia turnage
He reported that the male extraterrestrials never took off their helmets or spacesuits.
And I think it's because they had to have some kind of special air, you know, there was something in that gas.
And they put the gas in the room so that the little lady could breathe without her helmet on.
art bell
Rather thoughtless, though, of them with respect to him.
cynthia turnage
Well, it made him sick, but he got used to it.
You know, I know it wasn't very nice of them, but apparently they didn't care.
They wanted a specimen, you know, and they got one.
art bell
They got one, a specimen.
unidentified
Right.
art bell
Now, aside from the sexual angle of it, I mean, I refuse to believe that people are coming here from many light years away, if that's possible, to have sex with Earth women or men, for that matter, unless there is a very serious motivation that goes beyond the glandular motivation, and that would be some sort of genetic experimentation.
cynthia turnage
Yes, I think.
art bell
Is that what you think is behind it?
cynthia turnage
I think that's behind some of it.
I think a lot of it, like I said before, is just they're bored.
They're lonely for females.
art bell
Yeah, that's right.
Let's back up a little bit, I guess.
You must believe that there are many, many ETs on Earth now, and that there have been for some time.
What do you know about that?
cynthia turnage
I believe absolutely that there's a large number of races visiting Earth and that they always have and they always will.
art bell
And so then, kind of like being assigned to Thule, Greenland or something, the natives, well, they're not the natives, natives of their land get restless and begin cruising.
cynthia turnage
Well, one of my chapters is called Are Aliens Cruising Earth.
That's the first chapter.
And then I have one called Mars Needs Women.
art bell
Mars Needs Women.
cynthia turnage
Then we are alien lab rats.
art bell
We are, boy, each one of these deserves some attention.
We are alien lab rats.
cynthia turnage
Before I talk about the hybridization.
art bell
Let's move back to Mars needs women.
cynthia turnage
Okay, let me say about that.
art bell
Here we are.
We've got a satellite orbiting Mars, preparing to take new photographs of what appears to be not a natural thing at Sidonia.
A face and other artifacts, pyramids, and you name it.
It's up there.
And maybe we're going to get photographs and maybe not.
So what do you know about Mars?
cynthia turnage
Oh, I know a lot about it.
My book, Extraterrestrials Are on the Moon, is actually called Extraterrestrials Are on the Moon and Mars.
And I have found a face exactly like the face on Mars, and it's right below it.
It forms an isosceles triangle with another face found by Maurice Chatelaine.
He's a former NASA engineer, and it's a larger, badly damaged face.
And I also, Maurice pointed out that one millimeter on an 8x10 Viking photo is worth 600 Babylonian cubits.
So all these distances between these monuments can be precisely measured in Babylonian cubits.
And if you know anything about Zechariah Sitchin's work, the Mesopotamian deities who are extraterrestrials from the planet Nibiru, they are the ones who used the Babylonian cubit as a measuring system.
art bell
Well now, let me stop you.
Richard Hoagland, again, I can see his name is going to come up a lot, has done the same measurements, not in Babylonian cubits, but using other means of measurement and has come up with what I consider to be almost indisputable evidence that there is a mathematical relationship between these artifacts up there.
cynthia turnage
Oh, I agree.
I know I've studied Hoagland's work extensively.
I agree with his findings entirely, but I'm just saying that they can also be measured.
art bell
In Babylonian cubits.
What is a Babylonian cubit compared to an inch or a foot or a yard?
cynthia turnage
18 inches.
unidentified
18 inches.
cynthia turnage
And it's also the measuring system that the Bible says is used in heaven, and heaven is planet Nibiru.
So here we've got, you know, Sitchin talked about in his book, Genesis Revisited, how that was probably a base.
unidentified
Mars.
Wait, wait, wait.
art bell
You're getting too far ahead of me.
cynthia turnage
I'm sorry.
art bell
Heaven is planet Nibiru.
Right.
How did we determine that?
cynthia turnage
Well, okay, that's where my book, The Holy Bible and Extraterrestrial Transmission, comes in.
Sitchin pointed that out in his books.
Have you read any of them?
art bell
Yes, but I don't know that I regard...
Of course, it has not come back yet.
cynthia turnage
It's on its way back.
I've calculated when it'll be here, 2060 A.D. That's based on the fact that it was last year during the Hebrew Exodus in 1540 B.C. If you add 3,600 to that, you get 2060 A.D. 2060.
art bell
Well, I won't be here.
Well, I might be.
Actually, you know, I had a doctor on the other night who said if we can all hang in there another 30 years, and he's a scientist, full MD, that we will be immortal, virtually immortal.
cynthia turnage
Well, I believe that because, you know, they've been talking about the immortality gene in cancer and trying to use that to immortalize self.
I can tell you one even better than that, though.
A guy here in Texas went over to Iraq before things got too hot to go over there.
He dug up a clay tablet.
The clay tablet had a little vial in it, and it said on it from the abode of a god or house of a god.
He took the little vial and brought it back to the United States and tested this liquid that was in it.
And he had to use a dark-filled microscope, but it had these little cross-like tiny little things.
I call them nanobots.
They were so tiny.
They're little machines.
art bell
Yes.
cynthia turnage
And he discovered that those will, if you ingest them, they repair your DNA on a cellular level.
art bell
Well, that is the promise, Cynthia, of nanotechnology.
cynthia turnage
That's what it is.
art bell
And you're saying it's here now?
cynthia turnage
It's called Jet Life.
You can look it up on the internet.
The guy here in Texas, my husband, knows him.
We're going to go down and talk to him one of these days.
art bell
There is a slightly inherent problem in the concept of swallowing machines, though.
cynthia turnage
Well, they're so tiny they had to be used, I mean, looked at with a dark-filled microscope.
Do you know how small that is?
art bell
Well, then you would almost have to mix them in some of your husband's water and down them.
cynthia turnage
You do, and you have to mix this other stuff that that guy, some kind of crystal stuff.
There's a complicated process to using the stuff.
How he figured it all out, I don't know, but he did.
He's selling it.
art bell
Remarkable.
Is your husband awake and listening to all of this stuff?
cynthia turnage
Yes, he's in the bedroom listening.
art bell
Well, at some point, maybe we'll put him on the air and have him explain this water.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
art bell
You think he'd be up for doing that?
cynthia turnage
Yeah, he probably will.
Let me tell you about heaven, though.
You wanted to know how, why I think that Hebrew is heaven.
art bell
Yes.
cynthia turnage
First of all, if you study Mesopotamian text, it's sometimes referred to as the kingdom of the heavens.
And if you take the Bible and you look at its literal form, when it's talking about the kingdom of God or the kingdom of heaven, it actually says the kingdom of the heavens, like Matthew chapter 3, verse 2, where John says, repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
If you look at what the literal text says, it says, repent for the kingdom of the heavens has come near.
Now, if it's come near, it was someplace else before.
And that sounds to me like an orbit.
art bell
It does, doesn't it?
It has come near.
cynthia turnage
And it was, if you know Hebrew, in the Bible it says, God comes from Olam.
The word Olam means hard firmament or ground.
In other words, he comes from a planet.
art bell
I always thought God was sort of up there in the emptiness.
cynthia turnage
Well, I think people would like to think that, but if you look at the Bible and its literal interpretation, you've got the word Elohim, which is a big problem for a lot of people.
That's why he's got all these new versions out that have changed the Bible.
That word Elohim actually means gods.
Then you've got the Word Eloah, which means God.
Then you've got the designation for God's name, YHWH.
You've got like three different ways to talk about God.
Plus, you've got in the Garden of Eden, creators saying, Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, male and female, he created them.
This indicates to me a race of pluralistic beings, male and female, were made in their image.
art bell
Where then, Cynthia, do you think we go when we die?
cynthia turnage
Well, I did add an appendix to my book because people kept asking me about that.
And Jesus kind of alludes to it.
He talks about this deep chasm between heaven and earth that no man can cross.
And I think that what he's talking about is the vast chasm of outer space.
And when people, see, we have the spirit of the gods in us.
And I think this is this part about, you know, if you eat from this tree, you will not die.
art bell
Maybe that's what the Catholics refer to as purgatory.
cynthia turnage
That part of you that is the spirit, that has the spirit, the Nibirian DNA or whatever, that part of you goes back to where it came from to begin with, which would be Nibiru, their planet.
And people that have the near-death experience, they talk about going through this long, dark tunnel, rushing towards this light.
unidentified
Indeed.
cynthia turnage
Nibiru is a light.
It's a planet that radiates white light, or reddish light, whatever.
Then when they get there, they report, I have a friend, a real good friend that had a near-death experience.
This is exactly what happened to her when she got there.
There was this planet, and she said there was grass, trees, a river, and her grandmother was standing on a bridge, and she said, you can't come here yet.
You have to go back.
So she felt herself being sucked backwards, going back through this long, dark chasm.
And see, people never report seeing stars when they're going through that chasm.
But my husband pointed out to me that if you're in the vacuum of space, you can't see stars because there's no atmosphere to refract the light.
So they may very well be, their spirit is being sucked backwards.
unidentified
Wait a minute now.
art bell
If you're in space, you can't see stars.
cynthia turnage
That's right.
art bell
That can't be true.
cynthia turnage
Norman can tell you.
You cannot see stars.
art bell
Well, then how does the Hubble see stars?
cynthia turnage
They use a lens that refracts light.
art bell
That's true.
But written on the radio.
Well, wait a minute.
The astronauts, ones who have gone to low Earth orbit, ones who have gone to the moon, ones who stood on the moon, they all said the stars were incredible.
However, a lot of them.
cynthia turnage
Maybe they were made to say that.
art bell
Come again?
cynthia turnage
Maybe they were made to say that.
They have to keep their mouths shut about just about everything they saw on the moon.
I've got pictures of UFOs in flight over the moon.
There's no doubt about it what they are.
art bell
You do have?
unidentified
Oh, yes.
cynthia turnage
They're in my book, Extraterrestrials Are on the Moon and Mars.
art bell
What kind of pictures do you have?
cynthia turnage
They're pictures that were taken by the astronauts.
One of them is one of the astronauts is standing on the moon.
Hovering above him is a round, disc-shaped, glowing white light.
And it's casting such a bright light down.
It's got him all lit up.
The ground is all lit up.
unidentified
Oh, my.
cynthia turnage
Then I have one where there's a UFO.
It's a long, white, cylindrical object.
It's flying over the terminator on the moon.
It's giving off a kind of a vapor trail, very large.
And then another one is an object that's long, white, cylindrical.
It's about 16 miles long.
It's flying over some craters over the moon.
art bell
Holy mackerel, Cynthia, let me ask you a question.
Do you and your husband have a computer?
unidentified
Yes.
art bell
Is there any chance that you could take what you consider to be the best?
I like the white light over the astronaut, but you would be the best judge of this.
Take the best photograph, scan it.
Do you have a scanner?
cynthia turnage
I'll have to ask Norman.
Norman?
art bell
Yeah, let's ask Norman.
unidentified
Norman!
cynthia turnage
Do we have a scanner?
Little stamp photograph.
Yeah.
art bell
Oh, that's a yes?
All right, Cynthia.
Here's my idea.
Could we, is Norman really busy right now?
Or do you think we could ask him?
cynthia turnage
Wait a minute.
unidentified
Come here, honey.
Go ahead.
art bell
I'll tell you what.
I tell you what.
Let me talk to Norman for a second.
cynthia turnage
Okay, here you go.
All right.
Oh, you can't do it right now?
Oh, the scanner.
art bell
The scanner's not done.
cynthia turnage
We don't have the software loaded up.
See, we've been having computer problems.
He just had to rebuild my computer.
He knows how to do stuff like that.
My husband's a genius.
I mean, kind of like Nikolai Tesla.
art bell
Well, too bad.
Gee, I would just dearly love to get some of these photographs.
Let me ask you this.
unidentified
Well, I'll just send you some.
art bell
Okay, here we go.
That's right.
That's right.
You have negatives?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
art bell
No, I don't...
Send me some prints, and is it okay if I post a few on the website?
It'll just promote your books.
unidentified
Oh, but you have to see alternative.
art bell
Oh, no, no, no.
That's wonderful.
I mean, based on what you've said, we absolutely have got to see some of this.
cynthia turnage
Oh, I want to tell you something else I found on Mars that absolutely proves to me that there is an Iberian base.
I found a giant serpent's head, and that was the cult symbol of Ea Nke.
art bell
Really?
cynthia turnage
Right.
And plus, on the moon, I found evidence of nuclear war.
There is craters, okay, Tycho and Copernicus have large rays coming off of them.
And NASA photographed those with an infrared lens, and they're giving off radiation.
And whatever it was that hit those and is causing the radiation blew up before it impacted with the moon.
And no meteor or what asteroid or anything is going to blow up before it strikes the planet.
And they're not going to leave radiation like that.
It's still there.
And there is evidence of a solar system war talked about in the Bible.
art bell
Why would anybody have a war on the moon?
cynthia turnage
Well, it's not airless.
Let me correct that.
art bell
There's air on the moon?
cynthia turnage
Oh, yes.
When the Apollo first went to the moon to land, when it was Trying to land, it drifted.
You cannot drift in a vacuum.
It drifted for like one minute.
art bell
As a matter of fact, that's correct.
It drifted in the horizontal plane.
cynthia turnage
So if there was no atmosphere, it would not have drifted.
Plus, I have photographs of clouds over the moon.
art bell
Clouds.
cynthia turnage
And I have photographs of vegetation.
art bell
Excuse me?
cynthia turnage
Uh-huh.
Absolutely.
art bell
Holy mackerel, Cynthia.
You're going to have to send me a lot of photographs.
What kind of vegetation do you see on the moon, Fredel?
cynthia turnage
Well, it appears to just be shrub-like, but there's a wonderful book out by Fred Steckling.
We discovered alien bases on the moon.
And he states in that book that there's trees and things like that.
And I'll tell you a real weird story that happened to me.
When I was ordering all these NASA photographs a few years back, someone at NASA sent me microfish of the moon, of the dark side of the moon.
And I was looking at the back of it, and the whole thing is landscaped.
There's bridges.
art bell
Bridges?
cynthia turnage
Big circular walls.
When I say big, the one in China would just be nothing compared to these suckers.
art bell
And you have...
cynthia turnage
How they did, weird things happen to me.
As you get to know me, you'll find out.
art bell
I'm gathering that as we go here.
cynthia turnage
Very strange things happen, but somebody wanted me to see those, and then somebody wanted me not to have them anymore.
art bell
The men in black do that kind of job.
The men in black do that kind of job.
MIBs.
cynthia turnage
Perhaps so, but anyway.
art bell
All right, listen.
Cynthia, hold on.
We're at the top of the air and we have to break here.
Time does fly when you're having fun, and this is fun.
We'll be right back.
A sexual encounters with extraterrestrials.
Book two is war in heaven.
Book three is extraterrestrials are on the moon, along with landscaping.
I added that.
And the Holy Bible is an extraterrestrial transmission.
Now, this is intriguing stuff, to say the least.
We're going to get Cynthia back.
This fact says, see, Cynthia said you can't see stars in space because you have nothing to refract.
You need some sort of lens or something.
And I don't know that I buy that one.
And neither does this factser who says rudely, this woman is an idiot.
You can't see stars in space.
unidentified
Question mark, exclamation point, Ted.
art bell
Well, I'm not sure about that either.
But, you know, you might recall that when our astronauts were on the moon, remember that?
I sure do.
They never did seem to be able to get photographs of stars.
Now, the explanation that was given by several of the astronauts that I have interviewed was that the camera, of course, was focusing on the astronauts or on the landscape and that the aperture was not open enough to see the stars.
And you can prove that to yourself by taking a good quality CCD camera outside and pointing it at the stars, you will not see stars.
What you will see is black.
About the best you can hope for is the moon.
You will see the moon.
You'll be able to take some video of the moon.
Anyway, Cynthia is really something else.
I think you're going to enjoy her.
You may not agree with her, but I really do think you're going to enjoy her, and we're going to get back to her in just a moment.
First, I've got to talk.
You really got slammed here.
cynthia turnage
That's okay.
My husband said to say that that is highly debatable.
And I mean, if somebody wants to get upset about it, that's fine.
But all the NASA photos that I have that show astronauts standing on the moon or spacecraft flying over the Terminator, you can't see any stars.
art bell
Well, no, that is true.
But they give an explanation for that.
cynthia turnage
I know, I heard it.
Norman said it's not worth arguing about because it is debatable.
But this is what we think, okay?
art bell
Okay.
So, no big deal.
cynthia turnage
Right.
art bell
All right.
I'll buy that.
Please continue with what you think.
I'm really, really interested.
cynthia turnage
Can I tell you about some of the other things I found on Mars?
art bell
You absolutely may.
And then, you know, maybe half past the hour, we'll get the phone lines open and see what people have to say.
And I have a feeling they're going to say a lot.
cynthia turnage
I found another Sphinx exactly like the one in Egypt, only it has a female face on it.
art bell
Really?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
cynthia turnage
That's in Utopia.
Plus, I found a large arrow that's etched into the ground in the Martian plain.
Very large.
Just looks like somebody drew it out there.
It's got the little feather-like things off the end of it.
art bell
Right.
cynthia turnage
That's interesting to me because you would have to see that from space.
It's almost like someone was pointing to go a certain way, which would be an indication of a base.
And I wanted also to tell everyone that there is furrowed ground on Mars, which indicates that someone may be using their base there now.
Plus there's other evidence that someone is operating a base.
The Phobos 2 space probe was destroyed over Mars, and it managed to take a few pictures of what was coming towards it that destroyed it.
And it was a long, white, cylindrical object about 16 miles long, exactly like the one that I have a NASA photograph of flying over the moon.
So here we have two of the same type of spacecraft on two different planets, the moon and Mars.
And by the way, the moon has pyramids on it.
I made a discovery myself on the moon of what appears to be some pyramids in the middle of a large crater.
I call that Pyramid City.
Anyway, I've got this all laid out in my book, and I show the drawings of that isosceles triangle I was talking about that's laid out that has that other face that's exactly like the face on Mars that I found right below that one.
And then I have a picture of the Phobos II in there also that I took at a space exhibit over here in Fort Worth just to show people what the thing looked like.
And then all pictures of all the other Things we've been doing.
art bell
Boy, I have got to get my hands on some of these pictures.
cynthia turnage
Well, get my book.
I will send you some, though.
Some of the photos.
art bell
I will get them up, I promise, on the website as soon as I can.
cynthia turnage
Also, there's a crater that I published a photograph of Chaikowski.
And the guy that wrote We Discovered Alien Bases on the Moon, he believes that that has water in it, and it does look like water in there.
And, you know, the scientists did come out and say about six months ago that there's water on the moon in the form of ice, but who's to say that there's not water, liquid water on the moon?
If there's a small atmospheric, there could be enough, you know, to hold some surface water.
And there's clouds.
art bell
Now, you're really going to draw some fire.
Clouds on the moon.
cynthia turnage
Well, there's photographs of clouds on the moon.
They're published in that book, We Discovered Alien Bases on the Moon, and then I have some photos of them.
art bell
They're there.
cynthia turnage
And if there's a thin atmosphere, why not clouds?
unidentified
And if there's a little bit of water, there should be some clouds.
art bell
What kind of clouds are on the moon?
cynthia turnage
I don't know much about clouds.
They look like long, kind of stringy-looking.
And Fred Steckling said in his book that there was areas of the moon that would have kind of foggy mist-like areas.
art bell
Right.
cynthia turnage
There has to be some water for that to be possible, is my understanding anyway.
art bell
Well, now they have discovered water on the moon.
cynthia turnage
That's right.
art bell
Or at least they believe they have at the poles.
All right.
That much I acknowledge.
But clouds would require an atmosphere.
cynthia turnage
Well, we determined that there is a thin atmosphere because the lunar module floated.
You know, it drifted.
art bell
Now, why could that not have been...
What is it, an eighth gravity, I think they say or something?
Something like that.
So why not presume that there was some sort of horizontal thrusting going on that caused the spacecraft to move in a horizontal way?
cynthia turnage
Well, I guess that is a possibility, but then what about photographs of clouds?
Get that book, We Discovered Alien Bases on the Moon.
That thing, it's probably got about 100 photos, and there's lots of photos in there of clouds.
art bell
Lots of photos of clouds.
cynthia turnage
And another thing, too, I reproduced in my book the original voice transcript of when they went to the moon.
And by the way, I have an original tape of that that someone gave me.
art bell
And what's on the tape?
cynthia turnage
Well, it talks about seeing a beautiful barbarian, which in any case, to me, that's a code word for an extraterrestrial.
Sounds like to me.
And, you know, they use coded words like, yes, Santa Claus is real.
You probably have heard this before.
art bell
I have, actually.
I've read some of this on the internet.
Do you actually have these tapes?
I mean, for example, could you play them on the air?
cynthia turnage
Well, okay, my husband is working on that right now.
It's on one of those old reel-to-reels, and he's trying to alter this machine that we have to be able to play the thing.
art bell
Right.
cynthia turnage
I think he did fix it, and he's been listening to it, but there's a lot of long, boring stuff you have to listen to before you get to the good part.
art bell
I see.
cynthia turnage
I mean, we have to have time to listen to it and edit it, you know, to get to the good stuff because you don't want to bore your listeners with mission controls hard.
art bell
However, you are not boring me.
And from extraterrestrials, do you have any idea how many are here on Earth?
cynthia turnage
There's a different type?
art bell
Well, no.
How many in numbers?
cynthia turnage
Okay, let me tell you this.
The Bible says that there was a war in heaven and that one-third of the inhabitants of heaven were exiled to Earth.
That's a large amount of extraterrestrials that can't go back to heaven.
They have no place else to go.
I think they're on bases on the moon, Mars, and on Earth.
I think they're in those secret underground tunnels and under the ocean.
And the Bible even says that they're under the earth and under the sea.
Now, how more explicit can we get?
art bell
That's pretty explicit.
In terms of numbers, there are 6 billion human beings plus.
cynthia turnage
And their planet's a lot larger than ours, so there could be a lot of them.
I mean, they're probably, the majority of them are probably on the moon and Mars, but I do believe that there's probably a huge contingency of them.
art bell
All right, the next important question, and I suppose this would vary depending on the race, but an obvious question is, what do they intend for us?
cynthia turnage
Well, see, there is a war going on.
That war in heaven was fought over us because the God of the Old Testament, who I've traced back to being the Mesopotamian moon deity, Nanar Sin, I found a Mesopotamian text that describes how he went back to heaven.
He staged a military coup.
He took over there.
He made all the gods in heaven to obey him.
He used a lightning-type weapon.
He made everyone on earth to obey him.
What I think happened is he went back there.
He took over.
Then the war in heaven took place sometime around the time of Christ because there are some of those beings did not want to give us eternal life and allow us to go back to Nibiru.
But the God of the Old Testament, that was his plan.
Because if you study Nanar sin and read the ancient text about him, he really cared for human beings.
He really loved them.
And when we would get killed in their wars of aggression, he would be very upset about it.
Like when they destroyed the city of Ur about the time that he told Abraham to leave.
That was done with nuclear weapons, and it just totally destroy everybody in that Sumerian region.
You know, a lot of the people were killed, and the ones that escaped had to go off into other countries.
art bell
All right, Cynthia, a lot of people who are listening to you will say the aliens that you're talking about are actually angels.
cynthia turnage
That's right, they are.
art bell
And that when they mix with human beings and there is offspring, they are Nephilim.
cynthia turnage
Well, okay, that's a good point, and I brought that out in my book.
As a matter of fact, this is really good.
The word Nephilim, there's two ways to write that.
If you write it and you separate Neph and Eleem by using a Hebrew character Yod, that indicates that that person is a hybrid, that they are born between the daughters of men, talked about in Genesis 6, 1 through 4, and one of the Nephilim, one of those who came down from heaven, because that's what that word means.
It means those who came down from heaven.
And I find that rather intriguing.
And when you write the name of Jesus Christ in Hebrew, his name was Yeshua.
Right.
It actually has one.
unidentified
Okay.
cynthia turnage
Okay.
art bell
All right, Cynthia, a lot of people who are listening to you will say the aliens that you're talking about are actually angels.
That when they mix with human beings and there is offspring, they are Nephilim.
cynthia turnage
Well, okay, that's a good point, and I brought that out in my book.
As a matter of fact, this is really good.
The word Nephilim, there's two ways to write that.
If you write it and you separate Neph and Eleem by using a Hebrew character Yod, that indicates that that person is a hybrid, that they are born between the daughters of men, talked about in Genesis 6, 1 through 4, and one of the Nephilim, one of those who came down from heaven, because that's what that word means.
It means those who came down from heaven.
And I find that rather intriguing.
And when you write the name of Jesus Christ in Hebrew, his name was Yeshua, it actually has one of those yards separating the Y from the Shua.
art bell
All right, well, at one time it was said that the Lord God flooded earth, causing Noah to take two of each along in order to drown and get rid of all these objectionable little creatures that were mixes.
What makes you think we're not on our way to that same sort of thing?
cynthia turnage
We are on our way to that because Jesus Christ said that it would be just as it was in the days of Noah, and he was referring to the global catastrophe of the Great Flood.
Because, see, every third orbit of Nibiru, I believe, causes one of those global floodings, maybe a pole shift or something like that.
art bell
Which occurs.
How frequently is this?
cynthia turnage
Every 10,800 years, because it'd be 3,600 times 3.
art bell
You know, that's just about where a lot of conventional science dates the pyramids and the Sphinx.
cynthia turnage
Right, and Sitchin pointed out in his work that those were built after the flood, and let's see, the flood would have occurred about 11,000 years ago, give or take, a couple of hundred years.
And that works out perfectly with my timetable for the return of Nibiru in 2060 A.D. And what do you think will happen then?
Well, Jesus said if he didn't come back when he did, no flesh would be saved.
I think he was referring to the fact that we were going to have a pole shift.
And he talked about how there would be strange signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars, that there would be dismay in the nations and perplexity at what was taking place on Earth.
And he said the seas would be roaring.
And this all sounds to me like the passage of a large body through the solar system, which is Nibiru.
And this would trigger off the pole shift.
It would trigger off the Great Flood.
That's what happened when it came, you know, three orbits ago, 10,800 years ago, counting back from 2060 AD.
art bell
All right, and most people I talk to suggest that a pole shift would bring with it 8 or 900 mile per hour winds.
unidentified
Right.
art bell
It would literally wipe the slate clean.
cynthia turnage
That's right.
art bell
And another civilization would have come and gone, namely us.
cynthia turnage
Heraclitus of Ephesius, he said that every 10,800 years, catastrophe destroys mankind on Earth.
And he was alluding to these pole shifts and the floods.
And then an ancient Egyptian priest also said that there had been many floods, but we remembered only one.
And he said, none of you survived but the uncultured and the unlettered.
In other words, only people living in real remote areas, like up on mountains and stuff.
A few of them might survive to come down and repopulate the earth, but those people are ignorant.
They don't know anything.
So that civilization has to blossom all over again.
It makes a lot of sense.
You need to read my book, that book I stand in.
You need to read it because I've really put a lot of work into this.
I've fully read it.
art bell
Well, the only reason that I generally, I do read books after I talk to guests, but the reason that I don't do it is because of, for example, right now, if you and I sit here and discuss something that we are both privy to because you wrote and I read your book, it leaves the audience out.
Whereas when you stumble, when you go plunging into these things that I don't understand, I stop and ask questions the way the audience would.
You see what I mean?
cynthia turnage
I see what you mean.
I understand.
I'm just saying that now that you've talked to me.
Now that I've talked to you.
art bell
Now that we've done a show, believe me, I need to read your book.
Now, did you send me just one or did you send me the whole group?
cynthia turnage
I sent you the Holy Bible as an extraterrestrial transmission, and I will send you War in Heaven, okay?
Now that I know you're interested in reading them.
And I'd like to say that the people that have read my book so far, they love them.
And as a matter of fact, you can testify to that because that Michael guy that kept Faxing you, he has started a network for me to get other people interested in my books, to get other researchers to take a look at them and see what I've accomplished.
And he is recruiting people right now to work for him to just network for me.
And he's already got one other guy that's doing it.
This Michael guy is doing this three days a week.
He quit the job he had and is taking, took a job that he only works four days a week so that he could do this for me three days a week.
art bell
My goodness.
cynthia turnage
He hardly knows me.
He's just doing it because he loves my books.
He was telling me this other guy has memorized both the Bible, Holy Bible as an extraterrestrial transmission and war in heaven.
They call him the prophet now because he can quote from my books.
art bell
Memorize them.
cynthia turnage
Yes, he's memorized them.
He can say, well, see, Alternative says on page 147, paragraph 3, so-and-so.
art bell
All right.
Cynthia, when we get back from the break, I need to ask you about the Holy Bible as an extraterrestrial transmission.
And then I'm going to open the phone lines.
Really, I'm going to do that now.
And I can't wait to see what the audience has to say, all right?
unidentified
Okay.
art bell
All right, stay right there to Cynthia Turnage, and she is going to get quite a response.
Now, here's a good one, and here's one from Pamela the Reptilian Queen, she calls herself here.
Art, what a great show and an incredible lady.
Tell me this isn't the last time you'll have her on.
She's brilliant.
What a wild and wonderful researcher.
And thank you for delving further into the so-called abduction phenomenon.
I believe it to be one of the more profound mysteries of existence that we are waking up to.
And what a discovery.
Some answers to the questions that man has longed for throughout history.
I hope she has lots of copies of everything all over the country.
I can feel them triangulating as I type.
Gratefully, Pamela.
Now, did you ever interview Pamela?
cynthia turnage
No, I didn't.
I was hoping to get a hold of her, so maybe she'll call me or get in touch with me.
I have a website, and she could email me, but I would like to talk to her about her case.
Can I give out my email?
art bell
You certainly may.
cynthia turnage
Okay, it's N-O-R-M-W at fastlane.net.
And I would love to get email.
art bell
Oh, you do, huh?
cynthia turnage
I get lots of it, believe me.
art bell
All right, give it one more time.
If you love email, boy, can I help you out.
cynthia turnage
Okay, it's N-O-R-M-W at fastlane.net.
art bell
Oh, that's normw at fastlane.net.
All right.
Okay, now we are going to go to the phones, and we're not screening calls, Cynthia, so I make no guarantees whatsoever about what you're going to get.
unidentified
Okay.
art bell
You're going to get, believe me, Just before I open the lines, they're all ringing anyway.
People want to talk to you.
My fax machine is going berserk.
The Bible is an extraterrestrial transmission.
We can't go whizzing by that one.
cynthia turnage
Really, before you leave me tonight, I want to tell everybody why I think it's a legal contract and the good news about it.
art bell
Okay.
But I mean, right now, the title of the book alone is so controversial that I've got to know what you're basing that on, that it's an extraterrestrial transmission?
cynthia turnage
Well, it's a series of mathematically coded transmissions.
We've already talked about how it's based on a race of beings from this planet, Nibiru.
It is a legal contract because the word testament, like Old and New Testament, that means covenant.
And we know that Abraham had this covenant with God, and then it's extended through Jesus Christ to the Gentiles of Earth.
That's what the New Testament means.
We also know that in the book of Revelation, there was a special book that was sealed with seven seals, and the Mesopotamian deities sealed contracts with seven seals.
And when that first seal was broken in Revelation, it signified the opening or the execution of this legal agreement.
And if you know anything about Michael Drosman's book, The Bible Code, that's that mathematically.
art bell
Oh, I do, I do, yes.
cynthia turnage
Okay, well, that computer code is what I'm talking about as far as those mathematically coded parts of the transmissions.
Once that was opened, that signified the beginning of the end times, and it also signified that one of the seven seals was broken.
In other words, the legal contract was being executed, and that this is phase one of the legal contract.
This is like Jesus Christ is not back yet from the Bureau.
He went back to prepare a place for us to get reinforcements to come back to put down the serpent faction.
And in his interim, while he's gone, this Bible code was given to us to save us.
If you interviewed Michael Drosnan, he probably pointed that out.
art bell
I have not yet.
I would love to interview him, though.
cynthia turnage
Well, it's in the book.
It's in the book, The Bible Code.
It says, in the coded part, it does say the code was given to us to save us.
So this is like Christ's way of saying, even though things are going to be bad until I get back, and there's going to be this war when I get back between the forces of the home planet and the serpent faction here, and plus all that stuff going on in the Middle East has to do with what I'm talking about, and I'll explain that later.
But this Bible code can help us because we can get answers.
Like it tells us about earthquakes that are going to take place.
If we know a huge earthquake is going to hit in Tokyo, we can mass evacuate people during that time.
If we know where an asteroid is going to strike, we can try to break it apart with our particle beam weapons, you know, our Star Wars defense system.
The whole thing was designed to help us, to save us.
I think it's absolutely phenomenal.
There's no other book on Earth that's coded this way.
And I've got the computer code.
I know the thing is real.
art bell
All right.
There would have been a million places during this interview so far that I could have stopped you and pressed you for details.
But what I'm going to do is let the audience do it instead.
And I'm sure each person will pick up on something different.
The one thing I would ask the audience is, yes, this is controversial, but be polite.
Press Cynthia, if you like, but please be polite when you do it.
Otherwise, I'll blow you out of here like a bad wind.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi.
art bell
Hi.
unidentified
This is Laura and Eugene.
I'm just calling to usually, I've never called your show before.
I listen to you every night.
But this is actually upsetting me.
The things, I just wanted to clarify a couple of things for her.
Sure.
Number one, you can't see stars in space.
I don't know who told her that or where she got that, but that's one of the reasons that we build telescopes on mountains is because our atmosphere interferes with our collection of starlight.
art bell
Now, that's a very good point, Cynthia.
We go up high on mountains to lessen the atmosphere.
What about that?
cynthia turnage
I'm real sorry that that statement upset people, okay?
That's what my husband told me.
And that's, you know, he was telling me it's not worth arguing about.
It's a debatable point.
But I hope that you won't let that one little thing make you not like me.
unidentified
It's nothing personal.
I just don't agree with, I guess, saying things on national radio that you can't prove scientifically.
art bell
Oh, look, I wouldn't have a show if you couldn't do that.
unidentified
Oh, no, no, I know.
And my boyfriend made the same point to me actually earlier.
And that's fine.
That's totally fine.
But I just get, it's just really irritating sometimes.
And the other thing with the moon, I don't know if you've ever looked at the moon through a telescope actually yourself, direct observation, but there's no vegetation on the moon.
cynthia turnage
Have you looked at the dark side of the moon?
unidentified
The dark side of the moon.
I've seen photographs of it, NASA photographs, yes.
cynthia turnage
Oh, well, so have I. And I've also seen the microfish.
And I have photographs of the vegetation.
unidentified
Photographs can be faked very easily.
And why would there be vegetation on the side of the moon, only the side of the moon that we can't see from Earth?
cynthia turnage
Well, that's a good point.
But there is evidence of a solar system war.
And maybe there's too much radiation on the front side.
I don't know.
unidentified
That could be from the sun.
That could be from a lot of things.
art bell
Well, I too have not seen photographs of vegetation on the moon, but I would like to see them.
cynthia turnage
You will see them.
unidentified
Yeah, I would love to go to a website and look at these photographs for myself.
art bell
Especially landscaped vegetation.
cynthia turnage
Well, now, when I said landscaped, I didn't mean that I had photographs of landscaped vegetation.
I was saying that the backside of the moon appears to be landscaped from those microfish that I looked at.
But I don't have the microfish anymore.
unidentified
Where were they from?
cynthia turnage
NASA.
unidentified
That's interesting.
I would like to see those sometime.
cynthia turnage
I don't have them anymore.
unidentified
Yeah, I think that a lot of the information, maybe you should just check it out a little bit better, some of it, because I'm only 22 years old, and I've only taken a few classes, and I know more about this stuff.
art bell
Well, she definitely believes this.
There's no question about that.
unidentified
Yeah, there's definitely no question about that.
And she has every right to do that, of course.
cynthia turnage
Well, I'm basing this on what I've seen in the photographs, okay?
I mean, I haven't been to the moon.
I don't know myself.
I can't say, oh, definitely, I was back there and I saw what's there.
unidentified
I just think it's good to take everything like that with a grain of salt and look at it a little critically and know that photographs can be faked by anybody, even by people at NASA.
I mean, anybody can fake it.
cynthia turnage
But why would they fake photographs of vegetation?
unidentified
Why wouldn't they?
Well, I mean, you can come up with 100 reasons why they would or why they wouldn't.
cynthia turnage
They usually try to cover things like that up.
unidentified
Well, according to who?
According to the media, according to the government who's trying to cover it?
art bell
I mean, listen, there are a lot of legitimate scientists who may not agree with what she's saying, but they do agree that NASA has covered things up.
unidentified
And that may be true, but you can't always say that that's true.
You can't always automatically.
cynthia turnage
No one always lies.
unidentified
I mean, I'm just saying I think it's good to take it with a grain of salt and to try and be a little more critical about things and not just take everything in, oh, it's a photograph, so it must be real.
art bell
That's true.
cynthia turnage
Well, that's not all I'm baseman, okay?
There's more to this than what you know.
I know people that developed the NASA film when they brought it back from the moon, and they said that there were extraterrestrials and spacecraft.
So, I mean, I'm getting this from a lot of different sources.
I'm not just basing it on the photos that I have.
art bell
I understand.
All right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
unidentified
Hello.
Hi, Art.
Good morning.
How are you?
art bell
I'm fine.
unidentified
Turn your radio off for us for a moment and then tell us where you are.
I am actually, let me just say, first of all, I will never complain about Fritz getting on the line all the time.
I called last night.
I'm a police officer in Shelby, Ohio.
art bell
Yes, sir.
unidentified
Listening on actually three stations, MAN in Mansfield and TAM in Cleveland and another one in Columbus because we can't get gin very well.
Very good.
I don't have a dog moaning tonight because I'm actually on station.
I just'm going to have to agree with the last caller.
I can't.
Some of your shows are far out, and I have no problem with that.
Although most of your callers...
I was, and I got it, Art.
I'm absolutely astounded that I got it tonight.
All right.
Most of your guests, even on the far out side, offer some proffer of proof.
And I'm not saying that this one is not.
But, you know, she said that she has other things other than photographs.
Then what are they?
I don't have any problem believing something or even considering something if you can offer something.
But a photograph, the dark side of the moon, I mean, we all know that vegetation must have sunlight to grow.
cynthia turnage
Who shows us the dark side of the moon never gets any sunlight?
unidentified
Then why is it the dark side of the moon?
cynthia turnage
It's the dark side to us because we can't see it.
unidentified
Okay.
art bell
Well, that's a good point, actually.
unidentified
I mean, you claim that...
No, I understand that.
I understand that.
But if you talk about things that the government might cover up, and I don't have any doubt of that, why would the government cover up that there is vegetation on the moon?
cynthia turnage
Because that might indicate that there's extraterrestrial activity or life there, and they're trying to cover this up.
Haven't you read any of Hoagland's books?
unidentified
No.
I've only listened to the show, to be quite honest with you.
But I'm not trying to criticize, and you're entitled to your opinion.
I just don't know.
cynthia turnage
Let me just say this, okay?
Why don't you get this excellent book called The Monuments of Mars, A City on the Edge of Forever?
unidentified
Read that.
art bell
That's Richard's.
cynthia turnage
That's right, Richard Hoagland's book.
Read that, and then maybe you might understand where I'm coming from on this cover-up thing.
unidentified
Understand that I'm not trying to be strictly critical.
I can only compare you as a guest to other guests that I've heard, and some things I find to be at least arguable.
I mean, I'm even surprised actually at Art when he went to the break, some of the things he said he didn't believe, and he hasn't really questioned you on those things either.
cynthia turnage
Well, everybody's entitled to their opinion.
I'm not saying that you have to believe what I'm saying.
I'm just saying this is what it appears to be to me based on the evidence that I have collected and put into my books.
You can look at it.
You don't have to agree with it or believe it.
I'm not the only one that's writing books about this kind of stuff.
unidentified
I understand, and I'm not trying to argue, and I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I just feel that some of your previous statements, your early kind of unbelievable statements are akin to saying that because a boat floats on water, man can walk on it.
cynthia turnage
What are you talking about?
unidentified
I'm just saying that you're saying these things that are so outlandish to me.
And again, I'm not trying to be argumentative or critical.
I'm just saying that you're taking something because the lunar module drifted that there must be air.
It's to me like saying that because a boat floats, you can walk on water.
art bell
All right.
I appreciate the call.
And you are going to face some of it.
I mean, you've got to realize, Cynthia, that what you are saying is pretty outlandish.
I mean, to some people, you know, vegetation and landscaping on the moon and all that.
I've seen a lot of pictures of the moon, and surely I've never seen even a blade of grass.
cynthia turnage
Because you haven't seen the backside of it.
Let me just say this.
When Galileo was talking about the sun, wasn't he the one that was saying the sun was the center of the solar system and the earth revolved around it?
art bell
Oh, yes.
cynthia turnage
He got, you know, tortured and told that he was a nut and everything like that.
So it really does, I really don't care what anybody thinks.
art bell
It's true, and if my audience could torture you, they probably would.
But that's okay.
That's all right.
cynthia turnage
I've got guts because you have to have guts to write the books that I've written.
art bell
Oh, yes.
cynthia turnage
The Holy Bible is an extraterrestrial transmission.
art bell
Lots of guts for that.
cynthia turnage
I'm not scared of anybody, and I don't care what anybody thinks about me.
All I'm saying is that I've put all this evidence together.
This is what it appears to be to me.
I document everything with footnotes, and I show you exactly which books I got my information out of so that I can present my argument like an attorney would who's trying a case.
And then a person can look at it, and the people that have all read my books so far, they love them.
I haven't had a single complaint.
art bell
All right.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage under Siege.
Wait a minute, I didn't push the button.
There you go.
West of the Rockies, now you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi.
This is Tom in Santa Barbara.
art bell
Hey, Tom.
unidentified
I just wanted to say I think this woman is just about as honest as any of your guests has ever been, if not more.
And probably as credible in my mind.
She just is less persuasive about the things she says.
And to me, I like that myself.
think she is very forceful about what she's saying now when you say persuasive do you mean that her facts are not presented as slickly or yeah And I think that most of the people who are telling somewhat outlandish stories are telling very good stories that, when all put together, they sound persuasive.
And perhaps hers is not quite as polished and the rest of that, and that's the way it should be.
art bell
Yeah, that's a fair comment.
All right.
And to C.L. Turnage.
Cynthia, actually.
Cynthia, are you ready?
unidentified
For what?
art bell
Oh, more of the same.
All of these blinking lines, all these people who want to talk to you.
unidentified
Okay, okay.
art bell
I'm really going nuts here.
unidentified
Okay.
art bell
All right.
East of the Rockies, you're on here with Cynthia Turnage.
unidentified
Hi.
Hello, Art.
My name's Tom.
I'm calling from Orlando.
art bell
Hi, Tom.
unidentified
Yeah.
I was wondering, back in the 1970s, when I got interested in the Avian and the Bible Connection, there was a show on TV that I remembered that a group of college students put the Ark of the Covenant together according to what the Bible described it, and all of a sudden it started to generate electricity.
art bell
In other words, they reproduced the Ark as described in the Bible?
unidentified
Yeah, and when they got it together, it started to produce electricity and sent out radio waves.
I was wondering if your guest knew anything about that.
cynthia turnage
Yes, I do know about it, and I'm writing a book about the Hebrew Temple and the Ark of the Covenant and the costume of the high priest and how that costume was designed to protect him from that electricity that came out of the ark.
And there's a possibility that there was radiation coming out of the ark.
And my understanding, the ark was a giant electrical condensing unit.
unidentified
Yeah, according to what they said, it may have been also a transmitter, too.
cynthia turnage
Yes, it was.
It was a transmitter.
And I bring that out in my books.
I talk about that extensively because this all ties into what's going on in the Middle East.
Because when the Jews rebuild that temple over there, that is to be used in conjunction with the spaceport that was in the Sinai.
And they talk to God with that ark.
That's how they communicate with him.
That's how the high priest could go in there and ask God questions and then come out with answers.
art bell
Wow.
unidentified
And I also know that there was some ancient drawings of the Hebrews when they were carrying the ark.
You're showing them carrying the ark with bolts of lightnings when jumping out of the ark, destroying their enemies in front of them.
cynthia turnage
That's right.
And if you remember, Adab and Nabihu In the Bible, they poured a libation on the ark.
In other words, they poured some liquid on it.
And when they did, strange fire that could not be quenched came out and killed them.
And that sounds to me like electricity.
unidentified
Yeah, it sure does.
art bell
All right.
Thank you very much for the call.
I would mark that down in the supportive column.
No question about it.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
unidentified
Hi.
art bell
Hi, Eric.
unidentified
How are you today?
art bell
Okay, you're going to have to yell at us.
You're not too strong, sir.
Where are you?
unidentified
I'm on a fill sunny side close.
art bell
Oh, boy, you're really weak.
cynthia turnage
I can't hear him at all.
unidentified
Because I have my mouth half occupied with sunflower seats.
art bell
I see.
Well, you shouldn't call a radio show when you have your mouth half occupied with sunflower seats.
unidentified
Oh, it's just a bite full.
I'll have them finished real quick.
art bell
Okay, well, do you have a question?
unidentified
Oh, absolutely.
Tons of them, but I'll try and ask just the one anyway.
art bell
All right.
unidentified
I'm just wondering, is there any estimation when this, not so much when, but how high these floodwaters come when that all takes place?
Seems to me that it was only, if you melted everything, the glaciers the whole bit, it was roughly calculated that'd be about 40 or 50 feet of elevation.
That doesn't seem like very much, like it would wipe out.
cynthia turnage
Well, don't forget it also causes rainstorms, tremendous flooding and raining, and that right there, that could, you know, cause flooding all over the place.
unidentified
Well, again, he had...
art bell
Yeah, he asked how high it gets.
Now, a lot of people think that the ark, Noah's Ark, is on the side of Mount Ararat.
And that might give somebody some indication of how high.
cynthia turnage
Well, plus there's tidal waves that occur during that pole shift.
If you read the Atrahasis, it describes in there flooding, terrible rain, a dark cloud, the Earth gone crazy.
You know, if you read that book, Ice Ice 2000, he gives another excellent description of what happens.
It's pretty much catastrophic all over the earth.
Maybe some of the highest mountains, people manage to survive on those, but that's all I know about that.
art bell
All right.
First time caller line.
You're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
unidentified
Good morning.
Good morning.
art bell
Hi, turn your radio off, sir.
unidentified
Okay.
art bell
Where are you?
unidentified
I'm in Boulder City, Nevada.
art bell
Oh, all right.
unidentified
I finally got through to you.
I've listened to you for years.
art bell
Well, welcome.
unidentified
And I just hope that, you know, I have read some excerpts of Zachariah Stitchin''s book, and I think this individual was right on the money as well.
art bell
Well, yeah, actually, a lot of what she is saying, Zachariah Stitchin, it comes from Stitchin.
There's no question about it.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, and well, I've listened to Zachariah.
I've heard him talk in person, and it's always, it's quite a study of all of his.
But the only thing that I got to say, I commend her at it, and anybody who calls in who don't have the research that she has and says, well, she's wrong, I wish they'd just ask her an intelligent question so we can learn something.
art bell
Well, why don't you do that?
unidentified
Well, I used to really don't.
Everything that she says, I have to agree with, the dark side of the moon.
And matter of fact, there was a guy.
art bell
Even the trees and the landscape.
unidentified
No, no, I wouldn't.
There was a guy that I listened to talk quite a long time ago at the library out there in West Charleston, Dr. Stranges.
I don't know if you've ever heard of him.
art bell
Oh, yes.
unidentified
I've interviewed him.
Oh, have you?
art bell
Oh, sure.
unidentified
And he was rather interesting.
He more or less indicated the population of the moon is 6 million people.
art bell
Wow.
unidentified
In relation to the aliens and et cetera and etc.
Although I don't agree with her that we went there by a spaceship, I think we go there by time vortex.
All right.
art bell
Well, see, now, there we have.
I have a problem with that.
He says we didn't go to the moon in a spaceship.
cynthia turnage
Are you talking about our astronauts didn't go in?
art bell
Yeah, he's saying that he doesn't think that we did that, but he thinks 6 million people live on the moon.
cynthia turnage
Well, all I can say is when I was a little girl, I watched those Apollo moon landings, and it appeared that we were going to the moon.
I do have those NASA photographs, and I know people believe that photographs aren't evidence.
That's okay.
That's their opinion.
As far as 6 million people living there, I have no idea how many aliens could be living there.
The moon is hollow, because when the lunar module set down on it, it started ringing, and that's in an encyclopedia that I have.
art bell
Oh, no, you're absolutely right.
Look, that's Hoagland stuff.
It's true.
cynthia turnage
And the moon rained for several hours after that, so it's definitely hollow on the inside.
There could be, you know, thousands or millions of people living in it.
I don't know, or aliens, whatever.
art bell
Well, certainly from the outside, on the side we can see, it does not exactly look like a place you'd want to live.
But you're right, inside, who knows?
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
unidentified
Yeah, I wanted to ask a question.
Good.
A couple of them.
art bell
All right.
unidentified
Okay.
I wanted to say that if you were thinking militarily, you know, like you're, you know, in an army, that would be the best place to position your troops on the back side of that.
art bell
Oh, there's no question about it, of course, yes.
unidentified
You'd position your reconnaissance right there, and then you'd go on maybe further back and position the bulk of your main troops.
art bell
Oh, there's no question about it.
cynthia turnage
Thank you.
That has occurred to me.
unidentified
Yeah, and I wanted to ask her if she has ever heard of a planet named Allure.
art bell
Allure.
cynthia turnage
No, I have not.
unidentified
Okay, I just was wondering.
Okay, thanks a lot.
art bell
All right, thank you very much.
So there's a little more support for you.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi, Art, Cynthia.
I wanted to ask Cynthia if she's familiar with the ancient expression, that which is above is like that which is below.
cynthia turnage
Yeah, I've heard that.
unidentified
Yeah.
Does that tie in with your book about the war in heaven?
cynthia turnage
Well, you could interpret that to mean that the things that are happening here on Earth, human beings, the way we live, a planet, is the same thing as it is up there.
unidentified
Right.
cynthia turnage
So that's the way I would interpret that.
unidentified
Okay, I think you're a great guest, and I'm enjoying the program very much, Art.
art bell
All right, thank you very much.
Well, you certainly are standing there.
cynthia turnage
Don't y'all want to hear about Saddam being the Antichrist?
art bell
Sure, give us what you got.
cynthia turnage
Well, okay, in the book of Daniel, it talks about a reincarnated Nebuchadnezzar-like figure.
And this is mentioned also in Revelations.
It's alluded to.
Also, it says that Babylon will be rebuilt, and then God's going to destroy it and punish it when he comes back.
Saddam Hussein has rebuilt Babylon exactly as it was with its original materials, and the Bible does say that it's going to burn.
And it has to be built out of its original materials to be able to burn because most modern buildings, well, they can burn, but they're less likely to burn like that.
But anyway, so Saddam believes he's the reincarnation of Nebuchadnezzar.
He has his head struck on one side of a gold coin, and Nebuchadnezzar's on the other.
He believes in the Anunnaki.
He believes that they're coming back.
He's rebuilt the zigguroth that belongs to Marduk, who's the head of the serpent faction, the adversarial forces.
art bell
So you believe he is the Antichrist.
cynthia turnage
Yes, I do.
I think because of everything that I have written about in my book War in Heaven, the evidence does seem to point to Saddam Hussein.
art bell
Remarkable.
cynthia turnage
The controversy that is going on between the serpent faction and the forces of the home planet was played out.
If you look in Daniel, Nebuchadnezzar's God was Marduk.
And that doesn't say that in the Bible, but I've found these ancient texts, Mesopotamian texts, that tie Nebuchadnezzar to the God Marduk.
And there are other texts also that indicate that Marduk is the adversary of the Old Testament, a God of the Old Testament.
He was Satan.
That's what that word means.
It means adversary.
Satan.
art bell
So how do you think it'll play out?
cynthia turnage
Well, I think that what's going to happen is the serpent faction is going to appear on earth because Jesus did say that there would be false Christ that would appear on earth before he came back and not to be fooled by them.
art bell
Right.
cynthia turnage
And I think what they'll do is they'll set up a totalitarian dictatorship here on the surface.
They'll get everybody under their global regime.
Anybody that won't pledge allegiance to them, they'll institute the mark of the beast.
And if you won't take that, then you'll be killed.
And by the way, in the Bible, in Ezekiel and in Exodus, they used marking systems on humans.
In Ezekiel, they marked the people that were to be destroyed.
And in Exodus, the Hebrews were marked so they wouldn't be destroyed.
So they've used this kind of a system before.
art bell
All right, Cynthia, here they come.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
unidentified
Hi.
Hello, this is Tim in Orlando.
art bell
Oh, Tim, you're going to have to yell at us.
unidentified
Can you hear me better now?
art bell
Much better.
unidentified
Okay.
I think this is fascinating.
And I've been listening to it for some time now, and I agree with a lot of what she's saying.
But you know, Mars in his book, Alien Agenda, makes mention of the Moon.
Certain things about it that are rather unusual, like, for example, that it happens to be just the right diameter and just the right distance to completely obliterate the sun.
art bell
Isn't that strange when we have...
When we have a full eclipse, the moon precisely, precisely fits in front of the sun.
And what are the odds of that?
unidentified
Right.
And the same side of the moon always faces us as it goes around.
It's also on a more or less equatorial orbit.
It's one-sixth of our mass.
And there's no other planet in the solar system that has even the sum of all of the satellites that add up to one-sixth of the mass.
cynthia turnage
And it's hollow when it rings.
unidentified
It's hollow, right?
When Apollo, or when they went up to the last mission that left the moon, they sent one of the limbs directly onto the surface, and they sent it with force.
And they said that it did ring for a number of, for a long time.
He said that in his book also.
But getting back to the scriptures, I wanted to make mention of in Genesis, it talks about how the creation was, the sixth chapter of Genesis, it talks about how the creation was corrupted.
It says that in a couple of different translations that I've seen.
And corrupted is an interesting way of putting it.
You know, it mentions that it was corrupted, and that's why God destroyed it.
So it seems as though the angels that had fallen are doing the same thing here again.
cynthia turnage
Well, you know what?
I'm glad you brought that up because I brought that out in my book, War in Heaven.
If you consult the extra-biblical book called the Book of Enoch the Prophet, that goes into a lot of detail about what was going on, the political situation here on earth.
And what was happening was those sons of gods that had come down and were intermarrying with daughters of men, they were producing hybrids, and those hybrids had in mind to seize military power here on earth and to go back to Nibiru and live there and intermingle with the population.
And the government then of Nibiru did not want that because our DNA is inferior to their DNA.
They didn't want them intermarrying with us to begin with and reproducing.
And they certainly didn't like the thought that we would take our inferior DNA to their planet and intermingle.
unidentified
Right.
And the other mention of that, too, is in 1 Chronicles in the 20th chapter, 6th verse, I think it is, it talks about the Riphilim, which were the offspring of the Nephilim.
cynthia turnage
Right.
The Rifilim.
unidentified
And these people had six fingers and six toes.
cynthia turnage
Uh-huh.
unidentified
And were giants.
cynthia turnage
That's right.
unidentified
And that's kind of unusual.
cynthia turnage
And the descendants of those beings.
unidentified
Right.
And finally, just one more mention, it said that you mentioned Jesus said that in the last days, so is in the time of Noah shall it be in the last times.
Well, somebody calculated out that the last time Hail Bob was here, Noah was making the ark.
cynthia turnage
Well, and you know what else?
I believe there's going to be a fresh intermingling.
Since those hybrids were living on the earth at the time of Noah.
I think there may already be hybrids out there walking around right now.
Maybe a lot of the abductions and things that are going on, and the people that the females are being impregnated or whatever, maybe those fetuses are being altered with some Niberian DNA, put back here on earth, and they're here for a purpose, for a reason.
Maybe at the critical moment when the serpent faction is ready to appear, those hybrids will start doing whatever it is they're supposed to do.
They're like infiltrated spies here to do espionage and destabilize our society.
unidentified
Right.
Well, if you're going to take over a society, you've got to have some kind of a group that would be willing to work with you and collaborate with you.
cynthia turnage
That's right.
And if you think about this, whenever invading forces in our own earth history would invade a country, the Romans did this, they would rape the women because they wanted the women to have children that were part Roman so that they would say, oh, well, I don't hate the Roman Empire because after all, my child is part Roman.
It makes you have this affinity with your subjugator.
unidentified
That's right.
That's true.
You have to have some kind of a group of people that will be willing to go along with it.
cynthia turnage
But I think the good side is going to have their hybrids here, too.
I don't think it's all going to just be negative because I believe that Jesus Christ does care about us.
That's why that Bible code was encrypted into the Bible so we could be using that until he gets here.
And I think he's going to have his hybrids here working for him.
art bell
All right.
unidentified
A fascinating show.
art bell
Thank you, Caller.
Cynthia, hold on.
We'll be right back.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
Grab a glass of water or something.
And we will continue.
unidentified
This is actually lots of fun.
art bell
Remarkable woman.
No matter what you think of her, and many will have many opinions.
She has written four books.
Sexual Encounters with Extraterrestrials, War in Heaven, Extraterrestrials Are on the Moon, and The Real Clincher, the Holy Bible is an extraterrestrial transmission.
We'll get back to her.
unidentified
Look.
art bell
Turnage.
Cynthia, are you there?
cynthia turnage
Yes.
Are you going to let me give out my 800 number where they can order the book?
art bell
You had better believe it.
I was going to make you give it out actually now.
So please go right ahead.
cynthia turnage
Okay, it's 1-800-905-8367.
art bell
And they can get any of those four books, or is it just one?
cynthia turnage
The Holy Bible is an extraterrestrial transmission.
art bell
Okay, that's the only one available right now.
unidentified
Through that.
cynthia turnage
The other ones have to come through the bookstore.
art bell
Okay, are they generally available, Cynthia, in bookstores?
cynthia turnage
Yeah, you can just go in and tell the title of the book or my name, and they can look it up on the computer and order them that way.
art bell
Okay.
All right, got you.
And we'll repeat that yet again.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
Hi.
unidentified
Yeah, I had one more question.
I wanted to ask.
art bell
No, you're not allowed to call twice one show, sir.
unidentified
Oh, thank you.
art bell
That is a sin.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
unidentified
Yes, hello.
art bell
Hello, where are you?
unidentified
I am in Vancouver or Salem, Oregon.
My name is Cabot.
art bell
Okay, Cabot.
unidentified
Yes, I would like to say a few things to this woman speaker you have.
I've been doing a lot of my own research in gravitational and a lot of Teslian research.
I have done a lot of research in gravitational fields and ether fields and how they interact with the flowing of light.
See, light is a vibration, according to Tesla, and light is a vibration in a finer type of medium than our atmosphere can hold.
So what happens is when the spacecraft, for example, go to the moon and they come out of our atmosphere and things like that, the light can no longer instantiate itself into the lenses and our eyes.
That's why the stars disappear and things.
It's been documented in several different books.
cynthia turnage
Thank you.
Thank you.
unidentified
Okay.
cynthia turnage
Because, see, my husband, he's like you.
He goes and speaks at that Tesla convention, and he invented this thing called the MRA, magnetic resonance amplifier.
And he's the one that explained all that to me that no one would believe me.
unidentified
I see.
You're right.
And see, Tesla's done a lot of research.
I've been studying Tesla for years, and I'm doing my own experiments here with gravity and things.
But the fact that light travels in a medium that's finer, people have termed it the ether, things like that.
And there's also quantum energy and things like that.
There's been terms a lot of different things.
However, the light travel, vibrations are in this medium, and Tesla was actually able to tap into that.
But that's actually a whole different story.
And there's a lot of books out there that talk about Tesla and ether.
And there's some really good ones.
But anyway, that's what I wanted to bring up, that fact.
cynthia turnage
Thank you.
art bell
Thank you very much for the call, and take care.
So you do have some support out there, Cynthia.
cynthia turnage
Well, see, I'm not crazy.
My husband told me that, and he got it from the same source this guy did.
So, you know, this is just people need to start studying and phoning up on their physics and their gravitational studies and things like that.
art bell
All right.
Here we go.
Let's go.
Wild card line.
You're on the air with Cynthia Turnich.
unidentified
Hi.
Yes, hi.
art bell
Where are you, sir?
unidentified
I'm in Reno, California.
Hi, all right.
Hi, Cynthia.
I have a comment and a question in regard to the close encounter of the farmer, I guess it was in Ohio back in 59 that she mentioned earlier.
cynthia turnage
Oh, no, that was in Brazil.
unidentified
Oh, was it?
cynthia turnage
Yeah, it was in 1957 in Brazil.
Antonio Villas-Boas.
unidentified
Well, the comment was a little bit off the cuff, but it's just, I think I might have dated that white-haired, red-pubic-haired alien at one point.
No, that's an aside.
But my serious question would be, given this kind of information, which I'm sort of new to, but I have heard about it throughout, you know, since the 60s and 70s in my hippie days, these connections from the Bible to aliens, how would you suggest a person proceed, if you will, in their rectifying themselves with this heritage or with this relationship in regard to, you know, the planning of their own life or where they will be in...
cynthia turnage
I've showed them who the God of the Old Testament is.
I've showed them that the Bible is a legal contract and how you can be part of that legal contract, and that's through Jesus Christ.
It's basically what we've already known, except ministers didn't have the big picture because they didn't look at the text outside the Bible.
And you need to do that to really understand the Bible and what it is.
And now that this book, The Bible Code, has come out, it justifies what I am talking about as far as the extraterrestrial source of it because, you know, even Drosnan said this appears to be, you know, from an extraterrestrial source.
And we've always known that heaven was not on earth.
It was non-terrestrial.
But as far as planning your life and everything, you just need to read the books and see what's going to happen, and then you can plan your life from there.
unidentified
Yeah, I know there's always been an esoteric interpretation and scabs of collective information about this sort of thing, which I've heard bits of throughout the years.
My only other comment, if I could, is I read something the other day in a publication that was put out by someone that was claiming to be the next coming of Christ.
Metreo was this name of this being's name.
But at any rate, he talked about wells in, I believe it was Brazil, in Mexico, and in free locations on the earth.
And the connection I want to make is that the water that comes out of these wells is supposedly claiming to cause all kinds of healings.
But the water, when weighed, weighs less than normal or natural water.
cynthia turnage
Someone's had the deuterium removed.
unidentified
Apparently so, but they occurred naturally.
So in respect to what your husband is doing and discovered, I thought that it was interesting that there was someone else, and they've actually somehow supposedly made pills out of this water and sell them.
But they were claiming, you know, miraculous healings and just sort of general health upkeep with this.
cynthia turnage
You know, if you're not drinking deuterium, but see, deuterium lodges in the tissues of your body and it eventually helps with the aging with the aging process because it damages the organs over a long period of time.
So if you were not drinking any more deuterium, you're doing less damage to your body.
I don't know how it could heal it, but...
My husband, they have a company.
They're working now.
This water will eventually be available.
What they're trying to do is they're trying to clean up Earth's water supply.
They're trying to give people decent water to drink.
And they want to clean up the sewage waste and even industrial waste that's ruining our planet.
unidentified
Well, I commend you on your courageous outrageousness.
art bell
Thank you.
You know, Cynthia, a strange thing has been occurring, and that happens when you allow open line radio like this.
And that is, I'm going to be honest with you, at the beginning of the interview, you sounded a little...
I'm searching for the right word.
cynthia turnage
Well, please remember that it's very light.
I don't stay up this line.
art bell
Well, then maybe, maybe.
Then let me make my point.
Maybe you should, because at the beginning of the interview, I was having a problem with a lot of what you were saying intellectually, even though I was enjoying the way you were saying it.
But as the interview has worn on and people have begun asking you questions-specific questions, either I've been listening to you too long or you're starting to make sense to me.
cynthia turnage
You know what the problem is, Art?
art bell
That's what's wrong.
cynthia turnage
Well, not just that.
I know that I sound very young, but I'm 40 years old.
I had a person, I was on an interview the other night, and this poor old man called up, and he said, you sound like you're only about 25.
How can you know all this?
And I said, well, but I'm 40.
You're actually 40 years.
art bell
You know, he's right.
You don't sound 40, Cynthia.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
cynthia turnage
I don't look 40 either.
I look like I'm only about 25, and people don't want to take me seriously.
art bell
It's probably the water.
cynthia turnage
I can't help it, you know.
I can't age myself.
art bell
I understand.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
Hi.
unidentified
Yes, hello, Art.
Good morning.
art bell
Good morning.
Where are you?
unidentified
Good morning, Cynthia.
This is Mike in Philadelphia.
cynthia turnage
Oh, hi.
unidentified
Hi.
Cynthia, I'd like to ask you one question.
I'll hang out for the answer.
Do you believe that we're currently in communication with the cosmos as we speak right now?
Thank you very much.
art bell
All right.
In other words, in communication, I guess, with others elsewhere, Cynthia?
cynthia turnage
I think certain people on the planet are.
Definitely.
Absolutely.
unidentified
Okay.
art bell
Could you tell us who?
cynthia turnage
I can't go into that.
art bell
But you do know.
cynthia turnage
Oh, yeah.
Absolutely.
People that are being abducted, they're in communication.
art bell
I understand.
That's obvious.
Okay.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
unidentified
Hello.
art bell
Are you there?
Going once, going twice.
Go on.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
unidentified
Hi, this is Jamie.
I'm calling from Santa Monica, California.
art bell
Hi, Jamie.
unidentified
And I'm reading this book by a guy by the name of Lawrence Gardner.
It's titled Bloodline and the Holy Grail.
And what it does is it talks basically about the possibility of Christ having been married and having children and everything.
And I was wondering if the possibility of what she's saying about them being extraterrestrials and everything, what would that make Christ's direct heirs?
cynthia turnage
His children.
They would be hybrids and they would be his children.
I don't know anything about that book you're talking about, but I mean, what I have done is I have taken the Bible and what's in that, and I've analyzed it, dissected it, and shown what I think about it.
And the other texts that I have Consulted are basically texts that will tie into the Bible, like Nebuchadnezzar to Marduk, ties in in Daniel to sin, ties in with Psalm 82, which talks about the military coup when the God of the Old Testament went back to heaven.
And this wasn't the first time there was a military coup.
The Mesopotamian texts talk about Anu seizing power from a king called Alalu.
So this is not the first time that's happened.
unidentified
Okay.
So it wouldn't be, I was just curious because this directs his lineage all the way down now to the British nobilities as far as the Queen of England and everything.
So it wouldn't make you, do you think it would make them any more maybe potent hybrids?
Like more of importance?
cynthia turnage
After this much time, I would think it would all be diluted out of there.
But a very interesting thing has occurred over here in Texas.
Some minister went to the Holy Land and he got some blood samples that have collected in this cave where the cross was.
Jesus' blood went down through the ground and there's a cave underneath it and some of the blood is still up there.
You can't ever get rid of blood completely.
He took that and analyzed the DNA and he says that the mother was definitely human but the father was definitely extraterrestrial.
art bell
Wow.
unidentified
Well great.
Thank you.
art bell
Thank you and take care.
Wildcard line you're on the air with Cynthia.
unidentified
Good morning.
Great show tonight.
I have two very practical questions that probably many listeners are wondering.
And earlier when you're talking about the woman having the lizard type being as a boyfriend, literally, my first question is, are the sexual organs the same as the human being?
And if so, is the texture lizard-like?
Because that would sound like a big problem.
My second question is that art has had many, many guests who have talked about some of these beings as insect-like, but I've never listened to a single show where they've been described beyond that.
Are we talking ant, praying mantis?
art bell
All right, we'll get right to it.
We'll get right to it.
Praying mantis?
cynthia turnage
That's what they say they look like is the praying mantis.
But back to the sex organs, the girl said that they were exactly like a human male.
And reptiles, I don't think they have scales on the actual organ itself.
So I would think that that would be the case in the reptilian.
unidentified
Okay, just wondered.
art bell
All right.
unidentified
Very much.
art bell
All right.
Yes, you're welcome.
Good straight questions, good straight answers.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi.
I'm really enjoying your show.
This is Mary in Houston.
art bell
Hello, Mary.
unidentified
Hi.
Several years ago, on a trip out west, I took my daughters with me to the Mormon Tabernacle and their museum.
And the guide who showed us everything talked to us in depth about some of the beliefs.
And she told us that they believe that when higher Mormon people die, they go to another planet as the rulers.
art bell
Mormons?
unidentified
Mormons.
cynthia turnage
That's very interesting because the Bible also says that the people that make it to heaven, the Christians that survive the tribulation, they're going to be set up in positions of authority and rulership on planet heaven.
art bell
There you are.
unidentified
Well, I've never heard anyone else make a comment about that in the Mormon church, and I just kind of wondered.
cynthia turnage
Well, there's a lot of churches that do believe that heaven is a planet, but they don't really publicize that and talk about it that much because you've got to understand, religion has become so distorted because when they translated the Bible, they tried to make it into a generic deity.
And they removed these references to Elohim.
It appears 3,500 times in the Old Testament.
unidentified
Well, I think they tried to take people's personal power out of it.
I think that the church was afraid that people could have a relationship with Jesus or the Lord on their own without going through the church.
cynthia turnage
Well, that could be part of it.
But my main point is that the Bible has been so twisted and warped by the translators that when you go and get one in the store, you're not getting the literal interpretation.
You're getting what they want you to see.
That's why I've done all this work.
That's why I've dug through all this and found what the words really mean so I can show everybody that this is a race of beings we're talking about, not one generic deity that they've changed Elohim to God or even God's name where it's written out as YHWH.
They just obliterate that now and just put God.
unidentified
On our news tonight, there was a segment about another cultish group near Fort Worth, Dallas, who planned to be taken to heaven on a space ship.
art bell
Oh, yes.
I've been hearing about them.
cynthia turnage
Yeah, I know what they're right over here by where I'm at.
art bell
And as a matter of fact, they deny that they're thinking of suicide or anything like that, but the authorities are watching them, that group.
cynthia turnage
They're Orientals that came over here from Korea or someplace?
unidentified
Taiwan.
art bell
Taiwan, yes.
cynthia turnage
Yeah, I thought about going over there and talking to them and getting their take.
I don't know, I might.
unidentified
Thanks so much.
art bell
Somehow, I think you do just fine with them, Cynthia.
You ought to consider it.
unidentified
Well, I might go over there and enlighten them.
art bell
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
Hi.
unidentified
Yes.
Finally, I got through to you.
Having listened to you since you were in out of Nevada.
art bell
I'm still out of Nevada.
unidentified
I mean, in New York.
The Union Hotel?
art bell
The Union Plaza Hotel.
unidentified
Listen, how can the moon possibly be hollow when it was blown out of the Pacific and blown out a quarter of a million miles out into space?
art bell
There are people who have that theory, but listen.
unidentified
It's not just a theory.
art bell
Well, yes, it...
unidentified
Okay.
One side of the moon is magnetic.
That's why it's facing the Earth all the time.
Right?
art bell
No, don't get me to say right.
unidentified
Okay.
art bell
How do I know one side of the moon is magnetic?
I don't even properly understand gravity and magnetism anyway.
Do you?
unidentified
When it was blown out into space, all the water poured into the into there.
Into that hole?
It came down over the poles.
art bell
Wait a minute.
Into what hole?
unidentified
The hole that was made by the moon when it was blown out into space.
art bell
And that became the ocean?
unidentified
No, all the water poured into the hole and it came down over the poles.
art bell
That's what I'm saying.
That became the ocean.
unidentified
And no, it came down as ice and snow.
The snow is 40,000.
Ice and snow is 40,000 feet high on the poles.
art bell
All right, listen, I'm afraid we're going to have to leave that gem right where it is.
Cynthia, I wouldn't, if you can do the last hour, I wouldn't miss doing it for all the tea in China.
cynthia turnage
I'll be happy to.
art bell
All right, stay right there.
Moody River more than the.
This is interesting coming at you, Cynthia.
Listen to this.
Art, I've never read your guest books, but many of the facts in quotation she's talking about just don't pan out.
Although, there are some clouds visible in a few lunar photos.
He admits that.
There is not enough atmosphere for them to drift.
Now, in my opinion, in for a penny, in for a pound, in other words, he admits there are a few clouds on the moon, in for a few clouds, in for a thunderstorm.
I mean, I would have said there's not a chance there's a cloud on the moon.
You said there was.
I kind of rolled my eyes a little bit.
But here, you know, some fellow in Georgia is coming at you and saying, you know, all right, there's a few clouds, but not enough for the limb to drift.
Come on, folks.
Either there are clouds or there aren't.
cynthia turnage
And if there's clouds, there's enough, there should be enough atmosphere for the limb to drift.
And I'm not the one that said the limb drifted.
The Apollo astronauts, that's documented that it drifted.
art bell
Well, it moved in a lateral fashion.
Now, I don't know whether that constitutes atmospheric drifting or whether they had some sort of lateral thrust.
I have no way of knowing that, but it did.
cynthia turnage
They were almost out of fuel when they got there.
I doubt if they'd have been thrusting.
art bell
Well, that's right.
They were almost out of fuel.
cynthia turnage
I mean, they were like trying to conserve every precious drop because they wouldn't have been able to get back to Earth.
art bell
Yep.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
Hi.
cynthia turnage
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, I heard what you were talking about, water on the moon and all that and vegetation.
art bell
Yep.
unidentified
Yeah, there are small traces of like water and chemicals that make up a planet or a moon.
art bell
Yeah.
unidentified
You know, and all these elements always, you know, collide with each other, asteroids too, you know.
And it's pretty interesting what that lady has to say.
She's a real good talker, you know.
art bell
Well, she's right here and she's listening to you.
cynthia turnage
Thank you.
unidentified
Yeah, you're really, really good.
At first, it sounded a little different what you had to say.
Then it got really interesting, like everybody thought.
And, you know, that was really good.
cynthia turnage
Well, I hope everybody will take into consideration that it's the middle of the night.
I haven't had any sleep.
I'm not at my best tonight.
art bell
I think you're doing very well myself.
unidentified
Yeah, like the utopia region on the moon is Sphinx and all that.
cynthia turnage
Oh, that's on Mars.
unidentified
It's like a woman's face.
cynthia turnage
That's on Mars.
unidentified
Mars.
art bell
All on Mars.
unidentified
Yeah, well, you know, you look at the canyons and the mountains here on Earth, you know, you see a lot of different shapes.
I see millions of them every time I cross the United States.
Well, you know, that's like seeing the same thing.
cynthia turnage
I'm not saying that these are shapes, though.
These are pretty clearly defined.
I wouldn't stick my neck out.
unidentified
Yeah, they were built by Earth slaves.
cynthia turnage
Huh?
unidentified
The extraterrestrials had bought slaves from Earth to Mars and Moon and different hidden planets and asteroids because they've got that capability of traveling that far by far.
Easy.
Have you ever seen the movie like Contact?
You know, I mean, that's like peanuts to them, you know.
cynthia turnage
Yeah, and you know, it's real interesting.
Carl Sagan spent his whole career talking about how there were no extraterrestrials, and then he writes this book, Contact, and this movie's made after he's dead.
That's quite a statement.
art bell
Yes, it is.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi, Ert.
This is Robert from Anchorage, Alaska.
art bell
Hi, Robert.
On the new big 50,000-watt KENI.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
I got a question for you.
How did the moon ring without an atmosphere?
Doesn't sound need an atmosphere to it.
art bell
Well, now, that's seismic.
cynthia turnage
That's a good point.
That's a good point.
art bell
Well, not necessarily.
That's seismic ringing.
And I don't think you need atmosphere.
You would need, certainly, there is no sound, as they say, nobody can hear you scream in space, but the sensors were actually physically attached to the moon, and so they were hearing the...
The resonance?
That's correct.
cynthia turnage
That's probably it.
unidentified
Okay.
I mean, I can't really say one way or another if it's hollow or not, but I was kind of questioning if it was going to ring.
art bell
Well, if it's not hollow, how could it ring for how long, Cynthia?
cynthia turnage
It rang for hours.
I'm not sure.
I'd have to look it up, but I know it rang for quite a while.
art bell
Yeah.
cynthia turnage
Yeah.
unidentified
Well, like I said, I wasn't questioning if it was hollow or not.
I was questioning if it actually rang.
art bell
Oh, it did.
Yes.
There's no question about that.
cynthia turnage
No question.
That's in encyclopedias about the moon.
unidentified
No, because my thought was if it did ring, then it obviously had to have been in the studio.
art bell
Oh, I see.
I see what you're driving at.
We never went to Mars.
I don't buy into that one either, but.
cynthia turnage
There's something I'd like to add before we run out of time.
I want to say something about the crop circles.
Other researchers haven't noticed this, okay, because they don't know anything about the Mesopotamian religion.
But the Mesopotamian priests, when they wanted to contact the deities, would draw a magical circle and stand in the middle of it.
That's how they contacted their deities.
And it just seemed odd to me that the first formations that appeared were circles, and it was as though these Mesopotamian deities were saying to us, okay, now we're ready to talk to you.
Get in the circle.
And if we think about where they started to appear in 1976 to really proliferate, I mean, I'm not going to say they haven't ever appeared before that time, but they really began to proliferate in 1976 in England.
England is one of the last remaining monarchies on earth, and the Mesopotamian text state that kingship Was lowered from heaven, so wouldn't these Nibirians go to a place that they consider legal to begin their dialogue with mankind?
And I believe that those are transmissions from that serpent faction to mankind.
art bell
I see.
That could absolutely be so.
All right.
Here we go.
First time caller line.
You're on the air with Cynthia Turnich.
unidentified
Hi.
Yeah, hi.
This is Ert Bell.
art bell
It is.
Yeah, hi, Ert.
unidentified
I'd like to talk to you and your guest about, you know, there's a minority of people that, and I don't know if this was on your show or one of the other shows, but that claim that the moon is, well, I don't know if you would call it a man-made satellite, but a satellite that is not natural.
cynthia turnage
Yeah, there's a lot of evidence for that.
I'm not going to say either way, but I kind of lean towards that if it's not an artificial satellite drug in from someplace else, then it's been turned into one.
unidentified
Well, I have read reports that there have been some kinds of research or scientific work that's been done that has never been released to us that will conclusively show that underneath the surface, it is not of, what am I trying to say?
It is not a natural kind of terrain.
Yeah, exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm not saying there's styrofoam inside, but that it's something that we are not capable of doing, but that had been done by another kind of intelligence or extraterrestrial or some other source like that, and then put into place where it is right now.
And I want to know where is all the commentary about this particular issue, because it turns the whole thing just upside down so that we're looking at it standing on our heads.
cynthia turnage
The whole point that I've been trying to make during this whole thing is that information has been withheld from the public from day one.
I mean, there is a government cover-up about the existence of extraterrestrials and UFOs.
And I know that just recently, I think it was in Arizona or New Mexico, there was this sighting of this large triangular craft that...
Oh, Phoenix, okay.
Yeah, and that lasted for, what, 45 minutes?
People came out with their video cameras.
They recorded the thing.
And yet we don't hear this on the national news.
We don't hear much talk about it.
Our government should be talking about this.
unidentified
Oh, absolutely.
And was it one of your guests that had brought up the issue with regard to the moon?
This was something that was, I would guess, about 13 or 14 months ago or so?
art bell
Oh, which issue about the moon, sir?
unidentified
With respect to that, it is not a natural form to be.
art bell
Well, there is one oddity about the moon that I have given some credence, and that is, when we have an eclipse, is it not odd that the moon precisely, from any point on the Earth, fits right over the sun?
It's not larger.
It's not smaller.
It precisely fits over the sun during an eclipse.
So that we might see a corona, as a matter of fact.
That's the only way you can see a corona.
unidentified
You know, who knows the answer to that one?
Who?
Your friend Richard Hoagland.
Well, the only one who would know that if it's the same size and the size of the disk, and you happen to look at it, it's the same size as the sunglasses covering your eye, and you take out your watch, and it's the same.
Well, it all means something.
art bell
Well, look, I'll say this much.
It's a whopper of a coincidence.
Now, I don't know if I can go any farther than that, but just about anybody out there has to admit that for the moon, its size, to be precisely from the Earth, at an exact distance to block precisely, no further, no less, the sun, so that we get a corona is pretty weird.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnich.
Hi.
unidentified
Oh, hi.
I'm calling from Rhode Island.
Yes, sir.
art bell
Yes, sir.
unidentified
And actually, the local station stops carrying you as a five, so I don't know what you're talking about up to this point.
But, well, I had a comment and a question.
Okay.
Okay.
I'll start with a question.
A couple of weeks ago, you had a show, which I didn't get, I was hoping you'd repeat it also sometime, but the gist of it was, because I didn't get to hear the whole thing, but it was a Christian man who, I believe, was a scientist, and he thought that any UFO beings were devils and demons.
art bell
Oh, yes.
unidentified
And so your guest now, how does this square with her?
cynthia turnage
I'll answer that.
art bell
All right.
There are a lot of creationists who believe exactly that.
I had one on not long ago.
What do you think, Cynthia?
cynthia turnage
Well, I think that in a way they're right, that the aliens that we're seeing now, most of them are most likely members of that serpent faction, which means that they would be, to the fundamentalists, they would view that as being demonic or whatever.
Actually, those beings are all physical beings that look like us.
It's just that they're members of the adversarial faction.
That's my take on it.
I'm not going to say that every alien that visits Earth is bad because, first of all, there's a verse in the Bible, Ephesians something other, I can't remember now the exact thing, but it does say that there are principalities and powers that are watching what's going on earth right now.
The reason they want to watch is because they want to see if the God of heaven is going to keep his contract with mankind.
And it says that there's wickedness in the heavenly places, too.
So this could be references to other evil races that would come here and try to use us for their own purposes.
Sure.
This could account for a lot of extraterrestrial activity.
art bell
All right.
Let's go here.
Wildcard line, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
unidentified
Hi.
Yeah, Art.
This is her.
I live in Mesa where we don't have to change our clocks.
art bell
Is that right?
unidentified
Yeah.
art bell
In Mesa, Arizona, you don't change your clocks?
unidentified
Nope.
art bell
Oh, that's right.
All of Arizona, you don't change your clocks.
That's right.
You guys are the correct ones, and we're all out to lunch.
We should join you.
unidentified
Well, the sun doesn't go drastically one way or the other.
art bell
Anyway.
unidentified
Well, it could be, you know, you say that these people that, oh, the ones that are different, it could be that they, you know, they come out at night.
art bell
Nocturnal?
unidentified
Yeah.
art bell
Well, there's no doubt about that.
unidentified
Some people they don't even see in the daytime.
Cynthia, what is your take on reincarnation and how this fits into the scheme of the different cultures and the fact that it's been taken out of the Bible completely?
cynthia turnage
I believe in reincarnation.
unidentified
You do.
cynthia turnage
You know, there's just a lot of evidence that points towards it being true.
There's a lot of cases like over in India where people have been reincarnated and little kids and they're actually remembering when they were an adult and they want to go back and see their family and everything.
art bell
Sure.
cynthia turnage
It just seems so strange to me that some little five-year-old kid can remember when he was married to this woman and knows exactly where she's at.
art bell
You know what?
I also think that I believe in reincarnation.
That'll get me in a lot of trouble.
Cynthia, hold on.
You've done very well.
We've got 30 more minutes to do.
You'll make that in a cakewalk, all right?
unidentified
Okay.
art bell
Stay right there.
Cynthia Turnage is my guest.
We'll be right back.
unidentified
Your hair is hollow, golden.
Your lips, sweet, surprised.
art bell
Cynthia, and I'm getting more interesting faxes on you.
In fact, I'm going to have to turn my machine off.
It's going so crazy.
Somebody here compares you to a Christmas turkey stuffing, which I won't repeat.
Others absolutely love you.
It's running about 50-50 on the fax machine.
Here's somebody who's nice says, this lady seems to be a very sweet and personable fruit loop.
So listen, not to worry.
It's running about 50-50.
Others are saying, you really are sweet.
You know what you're talking about.
These people don't.
They simply have not been exposed to this material.
And there is a lot of that.
Cynthia, you're saying a lot of things to people they've never heard before.
They're not mentally prepared for it.
And so what they do is reject it or get angry.
cynthia turnage
That's okay.
You know, it doesn't really matter.
The fact is, I've won 50% of the people.
I feel like I've got a victory going here.
art bell
Well, it is a kind of victory.
Here's one.
My question is, if you can't have vegetation without light, then how can there be plants on the moon?
Now, the factor is wrong.
You can have vegetation without light.
Witness mushrooms and all kinds of other things that grow without light.
cynthia turnage
Well, there's also some debate about whether or not the moon even gets light on the back.
I mean, there is possible that it could.
art bell
Well, it could certainly get some kind of reflective light, I suppose.
cynthia turnage
Yeah.
art bell
I don't know.
All right.
East of the Rockies, you are on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
unidentified
Hi.
Hello there.
art bell
Hello there.
Where are you?
unidentified
This is Jess Cohn from Minneapolis, Minnesota.
art bell
Yes, sir.
unidentified
And I might have a simple explanation for the clouds.
Could they not possibly be dust from meteor strikes or anything like that?
Well, you were mentioning that there's a slight gravitational field that it could get caught in.
cynthia turnage
Well, I don't know that much about physics, but I really don't think dust could float in a vacuum or be suspended above a planet for any period of time.
Art, help me with that.
unidentified
Just an explanation.
art bell
I can't help you.
I don't know myself.
cynthia turnage
It just doesn't sound logical to me.
I mean, nothing else is able to float suspended above the planet in a vacuum.
art bell
My guess would be that the, you know, without, of course, you are saying there's atmosphere.
So if dust was there without atmosphere, just academically for a second, the gravitational attraction of the moon would eventually cause it to settle.
cynthia turnage
Right.
That's what I'm thinking.
I mean.
unidentified
And it would float and be photographed.
Well, like the meteors burn up mostly in our atmosphere.
If something was hit hard enough there, you're going to have dust that's going to be floating out into space.
art bell
Right.
But eventually, as I said, it's going to settle back without atmosphere.
If there is atmosphere and there's clouds, then you could have dust.
cynthia turnage
You know what's amazing to me, Art?
I've said that God is an extraterrestrial.
I haven't got one single phone call of anyone angry or upset about that.
unidentified
They're all worried about the clouds and the vegetation on the booth.
cynthia turnage
Pretty safe.
art bell
Yes, I know.
cynthia turnage
I thought I was going to get crucified over my Bible material.
unidentified
Yeah, I know.
art bell
I thought you were too.
Well, that shows to go, yeah.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
unidentified
Good morning, Eric.
Good morning.
Good morning.
art bell
Would you like to crucify Cynthia about her God as an E.T.?
unidentified
No, it's more about her space physics.
cynthia turnage
My what?
unidentified
Her looter stuff.
Okay, first of all, just because it's ringing doesn't mean it's hollow.
Because there's so little atmosphere on the moon.
art bell
Oh, wait a minute, wait a minute.
unidentified
The ring isn't damped.
Hold on.
It's just like anything.
cynthia turnage
I'm not the one that said everything resonates.
art bell
Sir, first of all, the ringing is without question.
unidentified
Right, but it's not.
That doesn't mean it's hollow.
Everything resonates.
art bell
If you take a solid metal ball and you thump it, it does not continue to resonate.
unidentified
It goes thumping.
No, everything has a resonance.
Everything.
art bell
Yes.
unidentified
It may be more complex.
It may be less complex.
art bell
Yeah, but hours and hours.
This is not a wild.
unidentified
Can I move on to Something else then?
art bell
Please do, because it's well documented.
unidentified
Yeah, I agree, but it's nothing unusual.
Well, anyway, as far as clouds go, oh, light on the back.
Of course, there's light on the back.
There's a far side of the moon.
There's no dark side of the moon.
cynthia turnage
What was that?
Sorry, I'm half asleep.
unidentified
There is a far side of the moon.
There's one side faces us, but the phase changes all the time, so half the time the other side's ellipse.
cynthia turnage
That's right.
You're right about that.
I knew how I said why.
unidentified
I knew you knew that.
I knew you knew that.
art bell
Now, as far as the vegetation and all the rest of it ought to be seen.
unidentified
I think as far as clouds go, I think there is one explanation for that, and that's what we're doing.
Things called transients, which are apparently, they've been cited in ancient times, but they're apparently volcanic activity, or you know, just a little bit of a remnant volcanic activity.
Now, I was really happy to hear, here you are at the other day, you know, questioning Hoagland about his geometry, because I get the impression that Hoagland really doesn't even know the basics of spherical geometry, even though it's so simple.
And if people would, there's a nice kind of educational toy that people can get to really get this basics of it.
It's called Leonard's Sphere.
And if you get that, you'll get the basics of navigation, and then you will not be fooled by astrologers and Richard Hoagland.
Because I get the impression that Hoagland is deluded.
Now, as for crop circles, I have one more thing to say.
Crop circles, if you were a druid, remember that druids were agricultural folk, how would you go about, say if you were the head druid, how would you go about making a crop circle?
Thank you very much.
art bell
You're welcome.
cynthia turnage
I'm not even going to answer that because it has nothing to do with what I was talking about.
art bell
Yeah, I don't even know why he asked that, frankly.
But all right.
Apparently he wanted to get on here and take shots at Hoagland.
I think that was his mission.
First-time caller line, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
unidentified
Who are you calling, sir?
art bell
I don't even think you need to hear it.
cynthia turnage
Truck or something?
art bell
Yeah, it was a truck.
Wildcard line, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
unidentified
Hi.
Hi, Arthur.
This is Dan in Northern Virginia.
art bell
Yes.
unidentified
It's a great program.
It takes a Texan like her to do some groundbreaking work.
My question is, Cynthia, what do you know about Melchizedek?
What part did he play, you know, in this hierarchy?
cynthia turnage
I know exactly what you're talking about.
He was a specially created being.
It says he had no father, no mother, had no genealogy.
He was some kind of hybrid or some type of just specially created being, probably created in a laboratory.
And he exists forever.
He could even have been a robot.
But I'm glad you brought him up because it shows that somebody back there with high technology was creating something that was not in the normal plan of humans and whatever.
I'm sorry, I'm getting so sleepy.
I can barely keep going.
art bell
Well, you only have 12 minutes to go.
cynthia turnage
Let me give out my number again to order my books.
art bell
Yeah, go right away.
cynthia turnage
1-800-905-8367.
art bell
You've got a big, thick, beautiful southern accent.
You better do it again slowly.
cynthia turnage
1-800-905-8367.
art bell
All right, and they can get your latest book there, actually, right?
cynthia turnage
The Holy Bible is an extraterrestrial transmission.
art bell
Which is where you really thought you would get all your trouble.
cynthia turnage
You know, what's really interesting, the cult symbol of the God of the Old Testament is the moon.
unidentified
And everybody's all upset about what I said about the moon.
They're not upset that I said God was an evil.
art bell
I know, I know.
Listen.
Listen, I've got a message here that says you've got a website with some thumbnail photographs of what we've been talking about on it.
And I find this out at the end of the show?
cynthia turnage
Well, now, my website, all it has on there is my book.
And it has, well, it has the face on Mars down there.
Oh, yeah, it does have the covers of some of my books that have UF photos on them.
art bell
Oh, Cynthia, why wouldn't you tell me about this hours ago?
cynthia turnage
We can give it out now, and people can look.
art bell
All right, it is www.fastlane.net forward slash tildy N-O-R-M-W forward slash.
Is that right?
cynthia turnage
Yeah, and I'm still going to send you some of those photos, okay?
art bell
Oh, not only okay, whatever you do, don't not send them.
All right, you said.
cynthia turnage
Do you still want my book, War in Heaven?
art bell
Yes, I do.
And I will scan those photographs, and I promise you and the audience that I will get them up there, all right?
unidentified
Okay.
art bell
Welcome to the Rockies.
You're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
Hi.
unidentified
Yes.
How you doing, Art?
art bell
Oh, I'm fine.
Where are you?
unidentified
I'm in Orange County, Los Angeles.
Right.
Yes, I have a theory that I heard, and I believe it.
And I want to get a comment from you and your guest.
Aliens that we believe in, or, you know, extraterrestrials, are actually original people that came with the Earth.
And that the Moon is actually a part of the Earth that got separated.
art bell
Yep, someone said that earlier, and that is one standing conventional theory.
cynthia turnage
The moon is chemically different than the Earth.
The scientists have proven it.
When they brought that dust back from the moon, they examined it.
It is not Earth's soil.
art bell
That's a good point.
unidentified
So check it out, though.
But all the water that used to be on the moon When it had separated, you know, sometime back in history, all fell onto the Earth.
cynthia turnage
Well, let me just tell you this.
According to Mesopotamian texts, there was a planet that plowed into the Earth.
When the Earth used to be out in the asteroid belt, there was a large planet called Tiamat.
It topped it in half, and half of it became Earth, the other half became the asteroid belt.
That's why the Earth has that great big hole in its side where I think the Pacific Ocean is there now.
It's the missing half of the planet.
And that planet that was out there, that Tiamat planet, was all covered in water.
art bell
You know, the theory that I've heard that I like best about how we got our oceans comes from a lot of astronomers who believe that we were early on bombarded by a lot of material, and we're still being bombarded today.
But early on in Earth's history, we were hit by a number of comets, which are nothing but ice, of course, and water, big comets, perhaps even moon-sized comets or larger.
And that they account for the water.
A lot of it was disseminated into the atmosphere and then fell as rain.
Maybe, maybe not.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Cynthia Durnage.
unidentified
Hi.
Hi, Art Bill.
My name is Rob, and I'm from Lakewood, Washington.
art bell
Yes, sir.
unidentified
And I have a report called Majority 12.
art bell
MJ 12, yeah.
unidentified
And have you heard of it?
Yep.
Yep.
art bell
Everybody's heard of it, sir.
unidentified
Do you have the report?
art bell
I've had it for years.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
Because it talks about the moon and all the alien stuff that you've been talking about for a long time.
Yep.
cynthia turnage
I'll tell you something else about that, too.
That Majestic 12 organization, I believe they know about Nibiru because, first of all, they call themselves Majestic.
And Majesty is another way of saying king.
And then they used the number 12, and that was the number that stood for planet Nibiru, according to the ancient Mesopotamian text.
Same thing as saying that, you know, that is related to the kings of this solar system.
art bell
Right.
unidentified
All right.
art bell
East of the Rockies, without a lot of time, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi.
I just have one comment, and that was an earlier caller asked you about you knew about contact between aliens, but you wouldn't go into it, so therefore you lose a lot of credibility.
cynthia turnage
Well, I don't care whether I lose any credibility or not.
I'm not going to get people hurt just because somebody wants to know something that I don't want to tell.
unidentified
Oh, you're full of it.
You're full of it.
That's all.
cynthia turnage
Fine.
art bell
All right.
Well, that was polite.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
unidentified
Hi.
Hi.
art bell
Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
cynthia turnage
Is our bell?
unidentified
Yep.
Cool.
Got about two minutes, huh?
Yep.
All right.
I got some good stuff.
I can get to it.
art bell
You better get to it, then.
unidentified
All right.
Looking at the family name, we got Yahweh, actually, is how it's, I guess, commonly said as the family name for the God of the Old Testament.
His son, Yahshua, or salvation of Yahweh, however you want to say it, or Yahweh's salvation.
Got the family name prominent throughout the various names of the Bible, Hosea, Jeremiah, Obadiah, Isaiah.
cynthia turnage
Yeah, I know that name you're talking about.
YHWH is how they wrote it in the text.
unidentified
Exactly.
Well, it's showing as that deity is picking, I guess, a holy or holy, a ripe seed of various people throughout the Old Testament and taking care to follow their destiny or their lineage.
It kind of gets into that hybrid of bastardization in Genesis 6.
I guess there's a quote out of Jude, verse 6, there talking about the angels being reserved into judgment.
Comes, I guess, then, out of a quote from the book of Enoch.
It shows that's actually a descent, again, of about 200 angels.
I'm sure you're familiar with that particular information.
art bell
Where are you going here, Paul?
unidentified
Well, one step further, that's maybe, and I don't know if it's common or she knows, the scene in the Bible, there's a lot of evidence to show, at least biblically, that even Paul and his arguments bases the first sin or the original sin, not actually as an apple, but a sexual encounter.
And with that, of course, Lucifer seducing, I guess, is the original expatio, whichever word you want to follow.
art bell
About 30 seconds, scholar.
unidentified
Okay.
These particular arguments show that she was seduced and that the group known as the Kenite was the product of that, who were, I guess, during Jesus' day, various leaders that ruled in Palestine.
Very interesting Syria.
I just want to see if you had any ideas on that.
All right.
cynthia turnage
Yeah, I barely heard what you said, and I'm so tired at this point.
I can't comment.
I'm sorry.
art bell
All right.
All right.
One more time.
I know it's way past your bedtime.
In Texas, it's got to be...
Five o'clock in the morning, huh?
Cynthia, you've been a real trooper.
You really have.
And give your number out for your latest book, please, one more time.
cynthia turnage
It's 1-800-905-8367.
art bell
By the way, when is that number good?
cynthia turnage
It's good right now.
They can be calling it right now.
unidentified
Really?
art bell
All right, then give it once more.
cynthia turnage
Okay, it's 1-800-905-8367.
art bell
Good for you.
You've been a trooper.
Thank you, Cynthia.
cynthia turnage
Thank you.
art bell
Good night.
Get some sleep.
unidentified
Okay, bye-bye.
art bell
All right.
I shall be sitting here playing with these cameras for a while yet, folks, as I am trying to get them to do what I want them to do.
And they eventually will, or I will reduce them to very small pieces.
Actually, they're getting a lot better all the time.
And I've already surpassed what we had with the other cameras.
I would appreciate any comments you have on them.
And as far as tonight's show is concerned, it is an example of going out on the edge.
That's what we do here.
That's what this is all about.
Sometimes it's an edge you understand, you agree with, other times you don't.
Reading the taxes, it's been running about 50-50.
But what I would like to say is that those who are rude, sort of, in my opinion, like that caller a few moments ago, lose an awful lot of it, credibility, that is, themselves, when they utter some little lousy, rude thing and hang the phone up.
So, see you tomorrow night.
It'll be yet a different program tomorrow night.
I think you're going to enjoy it.
Once again, we'll be talking or investigating the realm of remote viewing.
From the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
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