Cynthia Turnage, a linguist and Ancient Astronaut Society member, argues the Bible’s "kingdom of heaven" refers to Nibiru, a 3,600-year orbital cycle planet linked to Elohim (plural gods) and biblical warnings like pole shifts every 10,800 years. She cites NASA photos—vegetation on the Moon’s dark side, radiation craters, and coded Apollo mission language—as proof of extraterrestrial bases, including a hollow moon and underground tunnels. Turnage frames scripture as a covenant between beings and humans, with Melchizedek possibly a hybrid or robot, while skeptics dismiss claims like lunar clouds or "angels in judgment" as fringe theories. Her work suggests ancient texts encode warnings of cosmic disasters, blending astronomy, physics, and biblical prophecy to redefine humanity’s origins and divine encounters. [Automatically generated summary]
I have a little bit of a background in history and ancient languages.
I've studied over 300 translations of ancient Mesopotamian and Vedic scriptures, Hebrew and Greek scriptures, the Egyptian writings, and extra-biblical books such as Enoch the Prophet.
I'm a member of the Ancient Astronaut Society in Mufan.
I've done a lot of radio and a few television appearances.
The guy that, well, the alien, there was this lady, a truck stop waitress here in Texas, and she also had a long-term affair with the reptilian that lasted about 18 months.
My husband actually interviewed her, and she said that he looked like a human man, except for his skin was green and kind of scaly, but he had hair on his head.
It kind of struck me like he was like a hybrid between the two.
How I don't even know how to ask about this, but how did she come to encounter a lizard or the other way around, an E.T. encounter her, I guess, abductions?
Well, what happened was she kind of lived out in the country in a kind of secluded area, and she said that she kept seeing this light outside her bedroom window at night, and it looked like it was going out in the woods.
She got curious.
She goes out there, and this reptilian comes out of this ship.
There's a landed craft in the woods.
They get to know each other.
I don't know how, but they do get to know each other.
And then she starts going onto the ship.
A romance starts.
The reason my husband interviewed her was because he wanted to know how the ship operated and how it worked.
And she explained to him the mechanics of the thing.
She explained that when it got to this certain, when the thing got to this certain energy level, that the ship would actually go hyperdimensional, and that's how they traveled.
Right, and I wound up with her notes, so I've gleaned what I could out of the notes, and we've put the story down and put it together as best we could.
Well, when he talks to these various abductees, does he find, this is really a serious question, does he find a common thread in the descriptions of technical devices or not?
Usually it has to do with the nested tetrahedrons and the hyperdimensional physics, which explains how the ships can be in one place one minute and then just disappear and be gone.
It's called monatomic hydrogen, and it has no information whatsoever in it.
It has no particles of any type in it.
It has no sound frequencies.
It has no information of any type in it.
And that type of water is so pure you can't even swallow it because your brain registers that as pure water and it's absorbed in your tongue by your tongue.
You probably need to have my husband on this show sometime and let him tell you about his amazing, fascinating work that he's doing to clean up this planet.
He's going to clean up all the wastewater, the sewage treatment.
He oxygenates the water and that breaks down the bacteria in it.
And oxygenating this water of life stuff that he's making also is good for the human body.
Bud Hawkins wrote a book, and there's a woman in it, and I think Kathy Davis was the name they used.
And she saw her little hybrid children, and not only her, but there's been numerous other cases where they claim that they've seen a baby that looks like a little cross between a little gray and a human, and it's got the wispy blonde hair and the big eyes.
Some of the aliens that we're seeing now that people are telling about appear to be crosses between humans and some type of extraterrestrial.
I used to know this, or I know this girl named Christine Marsiglio that used to work for Bud Hopkins, and she would go through his mail for him, and he's only interested in cases that concern the little grays.
She would sort his mail out, and she noticed that she began to get stacks of like the tall Nordic-looking aliens, the type I write about.
Then there'd be the insect-like, then there would be the reptilians.
Well, if you look at the ancient Mesopotamian texts when the gods were playing around trying to create man, they used various types of animals that they mixed them with.
You know, they mixed us with like a fish, and that's where that concept of the mermaid came up with, a person's body, you know, being fish at the bottom and human at the top.
The Minotaur of the, I think, the Greeks had the bull's body, or maybe it was a human body and a bull's head.
And of course, you know, there was a lot of different other types of chimera-type creatures like that created.
They would just use like the lion's body and put the human head on it.
Okay, well, this is not an impertinent question, but I've got to ask: of the number of cases, because I've only talked to Pamela, of the number of cases that you have studied, how many of the human partners found it satisfactory or okay or didn't complain a lot?
Alvin definitely liked it with the tall Nordic female.
And this other, the truck stop waitress liked it.
And the most famous case that I really liked the most is Antonio Villas-Boas.
It occurred in 1957 in Brazil.
What happened?
Well, he was abducted.
First, he began to see these UFOs around his house.
He was just a Brazilian farmer, and he'd be out working on his tractor and everything, and then he'd see these UFOs.
Eventually, he got abducted and taken aboard a spacecraft, and these beings that abducted him, they appeared to be man-like, but they were wearing space suits, and all he could see was their eyes.
There were about five of them.
They were about five feet tall.
They took him on board the ship.
They gave him a medical examination.
They stripped his clothes off.
They sponged him down with like a purple liquid.
They took him to a little round circular room, and they threw him naked inside the room.
The door shut, and then this gas came in there, and it made Antonio real sick, and he threw up.
And then after he threw up, he felt better.
Well, a few minutes later, this beautiful alien woman comes striding in the door, and she's about four and a half feet tall.
She had real pure white skin, pure white hair.
He said she had blood-red pubic hair.
Her eyes were real exotic, and they kind of slanted upward.
And after she came in, she began to make sexual advances to Antonio.
No, it wasn't related to the sexual contact, but something about that spacecraft, probably when they were bringing him aboard, he didn't have a protective suit on or anything.
Now, aside from the sexual angle of it, I mean, I refuse to believe that people are coming here from many light years away, if that's possible, to have sex with Earth women or men, for that matter, unless there is a very serious motivation that goes beyond the glandular motivation, and that would be some sort of genetic experimentation.
And so then, kind of like being assigned to Thule, Greenland or something, the natives, well, they're not the natives, natives of their land get restless and begin cruising.
My book, Extraterrestrials Are on the Moon, is actually called Extraterrestrials Are on the Moon and Mars.
And I have found a face exactly like the face on Mars, and it's right below it.
It forms an isosceles triangle with another face found by Maurice Chatelaine.
He's a former NASA engineer, and it's a larger, badly damaged face.
And I also, Maurice pointed out that one millimeter on an 8x10 Viking photo is worth 600 Babylonian cubits.
So all these distances between these monuments can be precisely measured in Babylonian cubits.
And if you know anything about Zechariah Sitchin's work, the Mesopotamian deities who are extraterrestrials from the planet Nibiru, they are the ones who used the Babylonian cubit as a measuring system.
Richard Hoagland, again, I can see his name is going to come up a lot, has done the same measurements, not in Babylonian cubits, but using other means of measurement and has come up with what I consider to be almost indisputable evidence that there is a mathematical relationship between these artifacts up there.
I've calculated when it'll be here, 2060 A.D. That's based on the fact that it was last year during the Hebrew Exodus in 1540 B.C. If you add 3,600 to that, you get 2060 A.D. 2060.
Actually, you know, I had a doctor on the other night who said if we can all hang in there another 30 years, and he's a scientist, full MD, that we will be immortal, virtually immortal.
First of all, if you study Mesopotamian text, it's sometimes referred to as the kingdom of the heavens.
And if you take the Bible and you look at its literal form, when it's talking about the kingdom of God or the kingdom of heaven, it actually says the kingdom of the heavens, like Matthew chapter 3, verse 2, where John says, repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
If you look at what the literal text says, it says, repent for the kingdom of the heavens has come near.
Now, if it's come near, it was someplace else before.
Well, I think people would like to think that, but if you look at the Bible and its literal interpretation, you've got the word Elohim, which is a big problem for a lot of people.
That's why he's got all these new versions out that have changed the Bible.
That word Elohim actually means gods.
Then you've got the Word Eloah, which means God.
Then you've got the designation for God's name, YHWH.
You've got like three different ways to talk about God.
Plus, you've got in the Garden of Eden, creators saying, Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, male and female, he created them.
This indicates to me a race of pluralistic beings, male and female, were made in their image.
That part of you that is the spirit, that has the spirit, the Nibirian DNA or whatever, that part of you goes back to where it came from to begin with, which would be Nibiru, their planet.
And people that have the near-death experience, they talk about going through this long, dark tunnel, rushing towards this light.
It's a planet that radiates white light, or reddish light, whatever.
Then when they get there, they report, I have a friend, a real good friend that had a near-death experience.
This is exactly what happened to her when she got there.
There was this planet, and she said there was grass, trees, a river, and her grandmother was standing on a bridge, and she said, you can't come here yet.
You have to go back.
So she felt herself being sucked backwards, going back through this long, dark chasm.
And see, people never report seeing stars when they're going through that chasm.
But my husband pointed out to me that if you're in the vacuum of space, you can't see stars because there's no atmosphere to refract the light.
So they may very well be, their spirit is being sucked backwards.
The astronauts, ones who have gone to low Earth orbit, ones who have gone to the moon, ones who stood on the moon, they all said the stars were incredible.
But, you know, you might recall that when our astronauts were on the moon, remember that?
I sure do.
They never did seem to be able to get photographs of stars.
Now, the explanation that was given by several of the astronauts that I have interviewed was that the camera, of course, was focusing on the astronauts or on the landscape and that the aperture was not open enough to see the stars.
And you can prove that to yourself by taking a good quality CCD camera outside and pointing it at the stars, you will not see stars.
What you will see is black.
About the best you can hope for is the moon.
You will see the moon.
You'll be able to take some video of the moon.
Anyway, Cynthia is really something else.
I think you're going to enjoy her.
You may not agree with her, but I really do think you're going to enjoy her, and we're going to get back to her in just a moment.
That's interesting to me because you would have to see that from space.
It's almost like someone was pointing to go a certain way, which would be an indication of a base.
And I wanted also to tell everyone that there is furrowed ground on Mars, which indicates that someone may be using their base there now.
Plus there's other evidence that someone is operating a base.
The Phobos 2 space probe was destroyed over Mars, and it managed to take a few pictures of what was coming towards it that destroyed it.
And it was a long, white, cylindrical object about 16 miles long, exactly like the one that I have a NASA photograph of flying over the moon.
So here we have two of the same type of spacecraft on two different planets, the moon and Mars.
And by the way, the moon has pyramids on it.
I made a discovery myself on the moon of what appears to be some pyramids in the middle of a large crater.
I call that Pyramid City.
Anyway, I've got this all laid out in my book, and I show the drawings of that isosceles triangle I was talking about that's laid out that has that other face that's exactly like the face on Mars that I found right below that one.
And then I have a picture of the Phobos II in there also that I took at a space exhibit over here in Fort Worth just to show people what the thing looked like.
And then all pictures of all the other Things we've been doing.
Also, there's a crater that I published a photograph of Chaikowski.
And the guy that wrote We Discovered Alien Bases on the Moon, he believes that that has water in it, and it does look like water in there.
And, you know, the scientists did come out and say about six months ago that there's water on the moon in the form of ice, but who's to say that there's not water, liquid water on the moon?
If there's a small atmospheric, there could be enough, you know, to hold some surface water.
I mean, we have to have time to listen to it and edit it, you know, to get to the good stuff because you don't want to bore your listeners with mission controls hard.
That war in heaven was fought over us because the God of the Old Testament, who I've traced back to being the Mesopotamian moon deity, Nanar Sin, I found a Mesopotamian text that describes how he went back to heaven.
He staged a military coup.
He took over there.
He made all the gods in heaven to obey him.
He used a lightning-type weapon.
He made everyone on earth to obey him.
What I think happened is he went back there.
He took over.
Then the war in heaven took place sometime around the time of Christ because there are some of those beings did not want to give us eternal life and allow us to go back to Nibiru.
But the God of the Old Testament, that was his plan.
Because if you study Nanar sin and read the ancient text about him, he really cared for human beings.
He really loved them.
And when we would get killed in their wars of aggression, he would be very upset about it.
Like when they destroyed the city of Ur about the time that he told Abraham to leave.
That was done with nuclear weapons, and it just totally destroy everybody in that Sumerian region.
You know, a lot of the people were killed, and the ones that escaped had to go off into other countries.
Well, okay, that's a good point, and I brought that out in my book.
As a matter of fact, this is really good.
The word Nephilim, there's two ways to write that.
If you write it and you separate Neph and Eleem by using a Hebrew character Yod, that indicates that that person is a hybrid, that they are born between the daughters of men, talked about in Genesis 6, 1 through 4, and one of the Nephilim, one of those who came down from heaven, because that's what that word means.
It means those who came down from heaven.
And I find that rather intriguing.
And when you write the name of Jesus Christ in Hebrew, his name was Yeshua.
Well, okay, that's a good point, and I brought that out in my book.
As a matter of fact, this is really good.
The word Nephilim, there's two ways to write that.
If you write it and you separate Neph and Eleem by using a Hebrew character Yod, that indicates that that person is a hybrid, that they are born between the daughters of men, talked about in Genesis 6, 1 through 4, and one of the Nephilim, one of those who came down from heaven, because that's what that word means.
It means those who came down from heaven.
And I find that rather intriguing.
And when you write the name of Jesus Christ in Hebrew, his name was Yeshua, it actually has one of those yards separating the Y from the Shua.
All right, well, at one time it was said that the Lord God flooded earth, causing Noah to take two of each along in order to drown and get rid of all these objectionable little creatures that were mixes.
What makes you think we're not on our way to that same sort of thing?
We are on our way to that because Jesus Christ said that it would be just as it was in the days of Noah, and he was referring to the global catastrophe of the Great Flood.
Because, see, every third orbit of Nibiru, I believe, causes one of those global floodings, maybe a pole shift or something like that.
Right, and Sitchin pointed out in his work that those were built after the flood, and let's see, the flood would have occurred about 11,000 years ago, give or take, a couple of hundred years.
And that works out perfectly with my timetable for the return of Nibiru in 2060 A.D. And what do you think will happen then?
Well, Jesus said if he didn't come back when he did, no flesh would be saved.
I think he was referring to the fact that we were going to have a pole shift.
And he talked about how there would be strange signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars, that there would be dismay in the nations and perplexity at what was taking place on Earth.
And he said the seas would be roaring.
And this all sounds to me like the passage of a large body through the solar system, which is Nibiru.
And this would trigger off the pole shift.
It would trigger off the Great Flood.
That's what happened when it came, you know, three orbits ago, 10,800 years ago, counting back from 2060 AD.
Well, the only reason that I generally, I do read books after I talk to guests, but the reason that I don't do it is because of, for example, right now, if you and I sit here and discuss something that we are both privy to because you wrote and I read your book, it leaves the audience out.
Whereas when you stumble, when you go plunging into these things that I don't understand, I stop and ask questions the way the audience would.
I sent you the Holy Bible as an extraterrestrial transmission, and I will send you War in Heaven, okay?
Now that I know you're interested in reading them.
And I'd like to say that the people that have read my book so far, they love them.
And as a matter of fact, you can testify to that because that Michael guy that kept Faxing you, he has started a network for me to get other people interested in my books, to get other researchers to take a look at them and see what I've accomplished.
And he is recruiting people right now to work for him to just network for me.
And he's already got one other guy that's doing it.
This Michael guy is doing this three days a week.
He quit the job he had and is taking, took a job that he only works four days a week so that he could do this for me three days a week.
But I mean, right now, the title of the book alone is so controversial that I've got to know what you're basing that on, that it's an extraterrestrial transmission?
Well, it's a series of mathematically coded transmissions.
We've already talked about how it's based on a race of beings from this planet, Nibiru.
It is a legal contract because the word testament, like Old and New Testament, that means covenant.
And we know that Abraham had this covenant with God, and then it's extended through Jesus Christ to the Gentiles of Earth.
That's what the New Testament means.
We also know that in the book of Revelation, there was a special book that was sealed with seven seals, and the Mesopotamian deities sealed contracts with seven seals.
And when that first seal was broken in Revelation, it signified the opening or the execution of this legal agreement.
And if you know anything about Michael Drosman's book, The Bible Code, that's that mathematically.
It says, in the coded part, it does say the code was given to us to save us.
So this is like Christ's way of saying, even though things are going to be bad until I get back, and there's going to be this war when I get back between the forces of the home planet and the serpent faction here, and plus all that stuff going on in the Middle East has to do with what I'm talking about, and I'll explain that later.
But this Bible code can help us because we can get answers.
Like it tells us about earthquakes that are going to take place.
If we know a huge earthquake is going to hit in Tokyo, we can mass evacuate people during that time.
If we know where an asteroid is going to strike, we can try to break it apart with our particle beam weapons, you know, our Star Wars defense system.
The whole thing was designed to help us, to save us.
I think it's absolutely phenomenal.
There's no other book on Earth that's coded this way.
I'm just calling to usually, I've never called your show before.
I listen to you every night.
But this is actually upsetting me.
The things, I just wanted to clarify a couple of things for her.
Sure.
Number one, you can't see stars in space.
I don't know who told her that or where she got that, but that's one of the reasons that we build telescopes on mountains is because our atmosphere interferes with our collection of starlight.
Oh, look, I wouldn't have a show if you couldn't do that.
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Oh, no, no, I know.
And my boyfriend made the same point to me actually earlier.
And that's fine.
That's totally fine.
But I just get, it's just really irritating sometimes.
And the other thing with the moon, I don't know if you've ever looked at the moon through a telescope actually yourself, direct observation, but there's no vegetation on the moon.
Yeah, I think that a lot of the information, maybe you should just check it out a little bit better, some of it, because I'm only 22 years old, and I've only taken a few classes, and I know more about this stuff.
Well, I'm basing this on what I've seen in the photographs, okay?
I mean, I haven't been to the moon.
I don't know myself.
I can't say, oh, definitely, I was back there and I saw what's there.
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I just think it's good to take everything like that with a grain of salt and look at it a little critically and know that photographs can be faked by anybody, even by people at NASA.
I mean, I'm just saying I think it's good to take it with a grain of salt and to try and be a little more critical about things and not just take everything in, oh, it's a photograph, so it must be real.
But if you talk about things that the government might cover up, and I don't have any doubt of that, why would the government cover up that there is vegetation on the moon?
Read that, and then maybe you might understand where I'm coming from on this cover-up thing.
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Understand that I'm not trying to be strictly critical.
I can only compare you as a guest to other guests that I've heard, and some things I find to be at least arguable.
I mean, I'm even surprised actually at Art when he went to the break, some of the things he said he didn't believe, and he hasn't really questioned you on those things either.
I'm not saying that you have to believe what I'm saying.
I'm just saying this is what it appears to be to me based on the evidence that I have collected and put into my books.
You can look at it.
You don't have to agree with it or believe it.
I'm not the only one that's writing books about this kind of stuff.
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I understand, and I'm not trying to argue, and I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I just feel that some of your previous statements, your early kind of unbelievable statements are akin to saying that because a boat floats on water, man can walk on it.
I'm not scared of anybody, and I don't care what anybody thinks about me.
All I'm saying is that I've put all this evidence together.
This is what it appears to be to me.
I document everything with footnotes, and I show you exactly which books I got my information out of so that I can present my argument like an attorney would who's trying a case.
And then a person can look at it, and the people that have all read my books so far, they love them.
I just wanted to say I think this woman is just about as honest as any of your guests has ever been, if not more.
And probably as credible in my mind.
She just is less persuasive about the things she says.
And to me, I like that myself.
think she is very forceful about what she's saying now when you say persuasive do you mean that her facts are not presented as slickly or yeah And I think that most of the people who are telling somewhat outlandish stories are telling very good stories that, when all put together, they sound persuasive.
And perhaps hers is not quite as polished and the rest of that, and that's the way it should be.
I was wondering, back in the 1970s, when I got interested in the Avian and the Bible Connection, there was a show on TV that I remembered that a group of college students put the Ark of the Covenant together according to what the Bible described it, and all of a sudden it started to generate electricity.
Yes, I do know about it, and I'm writing a book about the Hebrew Temple and the Ark of the Covenant and the costume of the high priest and how that costume was designed to protect him from that electricity that came out of the ark.
And there's a possibility that there was radiation coming out of the ark.
And my understanding, the ark was a giant electrical condensing unit.
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Yeah, according to what they said, it may have been also a transmitter, too.
I'm just wondering, is there any estimation when this, not so much when, but how high these floodwaters come when that all takes place?
Seems to me that it was only, if you melted everything, the glaciers the whole bit, it was roughly calculated that'd be about 40 or 50 feet of elevation.
That doesn't seem like very much, like it would wipe out.
Well, don't forget it also causes rainstorms, tremendous flooding and raining, and that right there, that could, you know, cause flooding all over the place.
Well, yeah, actually, a lot of what she is saying, Zachariah Stitchin, it comes from Stitchin.
There's no question about it.
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Oh, yeah, and well, I've listened to Zachariah.
I've heard him talk in person, and it's always, it's quite a study of all of his.
But the only thing that I got to say, I commend her at it, and anybody who calls in who don't have the research that she has and says, well, she's wrong, I wish they'd just ask her an intelligent question so we can learn something.
I wanted to say that if you were thinking militarily, you know, like you're, you know, in an army, that would be the best place to position your troops on the back side of that.
Well, you could interpret that to mean that the things that are happening here on Earth, human beings, the way we live, a planet, is the same thing as it is up there.
Well, okay, in the book of Daniel, it talks about a reincarnated Nebuchadnezzar-like figure.
And this is mentioned also in Revelations.
It's alluded to.
Also, it says that Babylon will be rebuilt, and then God's going to destroy it and punish it when he comes back.
Saddam Hussein has rebuilt Babylon exactly as it was with its original materials, and the Bible does say that it's going to burn.
And it has to be built out of its original materials to be able to burn because most modern buildings, well, they can burn, but they're less likely to burn like that.
But anyway, so Saddam believes he's the reincarnation of Nebuchadnezzar.
He has his head struck on one side of a gold coin, and Nebuchadnezzar's on the other.
He believes in the Anunnaki.
He believes that they're coming back.
He's rebuilt the zigguroth that belongs to Marduk, who's the head of the serpent faction, the adversarial forces.
Well, I think that what's going to happen is the serpent faction is going to appear on earth because Jesus did say that there would be false Christ that would appear on earth before he came back and not to be fooled by them.
And I've been listening to it for some time now, and I agree with a lot of what she's saying.
But you know, Mars in his book, Alien Agenda, makes mention of the Moon.
Certain things about it that are rather unusual, like, for example, that it happens to be just the right diameter and just the right distance to completely obliterate the sun.
When Apollo, or when they went up to the last mission that left the moon, they sent one of the limbs directly onto the surface, and they sent it with force.
And they said that it did ring for a number of, for a long time.
He said that in his book also.
But getting back to the scriptures, I wanted to make mention of in Genesis, it talks about how the creation was, the sixth chapter of Genesis, it talks about how the creation was corrupted.
It says that in a couple of different translations that I've seen.
And corrupted is an interesting way of putting it.
You know, it mentions that it was corrupted, and that's why God destroyed it.
So it seems as though the angels that had fallen are doing the same thing here again.
I'm glad you brought that up because I brought that out in my book, War in Heaven.
If you consult the extra-biblical book called the Book of Enoch the Prophet, that goes into a lot of detail about what was going on, the political situation here on earth.
And what was happening was those sons of gods that had come down and were intermarrying with daughters of men, they were producing hybrids, and those hybrids had in mind to seize military power here on earth and to go back to Nibiru and live there and intermingle with the population.
And the government then of Nibiru did not want that because our DNA is inferior to their DNA.
They didn't want them intermarrying with us to begin with and reproducing.
And they certainly didn't like the thought that we would take our inferior DNA to their planet and intermingle.
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Right.
And the other mention of that, too, is in 1 Chronicles in the 20th chapter, 6th verse, I think it is, it talks about the Riphilim, which were the offspring of the Nephilim.
And finally, just one more mention, it said that you mentioned Jesus said that in the last days, so is in the time of Noah shall it be in the last times.
Well, somebody calculated out that the last time Hail Bob was here, Noah was making the ark.
I believe there's going to be a fresh intermingling.
Since those hybrids were living on the earth at the time of Noah.
I think there may already be hybrids out there walking around right now.
Maybe a lot of the abductions and things that are going on, and the people that the females are being impregnated or whatever, maybe those fetuses are being altered with some Niberian DNA, put back here on earth, and they're here for a purpose, for a reason.
Maybe at the critical moment when the serpent faction is ready to appear, those hybrids will start doing whatever it is they're supposed to do.
They're like infiltrated spies here to do espionage and destabilize our society.
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Right.
Well, if you're going to take over a society, you've got to have some kind of a group that would be willing to work with you and collaborate with you.
And if you think about this, whenever invading forces in our own earth history would invade a country, the Romans did this, they would rape the women because they wanted the women to have children that were part Roman so that they would say, oh, well, I don't hate the Roman Empire because after all, my child is part Roman.
It makes you have this affinity with your subjugator.
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That's right.
That's true.
You have to have some kind of a group of people that will be willing to go along with it.
No matter what you think of her, and many will have many opinions.
She has written four books.
Sexual Encounters with Extraterrestrials, War in Heaven, Extraterrestrials Are on the Moon, and The Real Clincher, the Holy Bible is an extraterrestrial transmission.
Yes, I would like to say a few things to this woman speaker you have.
I've been doing a lot of my own research in gravitational and a lot of Teslian research.
I have done a lot of research in gravitational fields and ether fields and how they interact with the flowing of light.
See, light is a vibration, according to Tesla, and light is a vibration in a finer type of medium than our atmosphere can hold.
So what happens is when the spacecraft, for example, go to the moon and they come out of our atmosphere and things like that, the light can no longer instantiate itself into the lenses and our eyes.
Well, the comment was a little bit off the cuff, but it's just, I think I might have dated that white-haired, red-pubic-haired alien at one point.
No, that's an aside.
But my serious question would be, given this kind of information, which I'm sort of new to, but I have heard about it throughout, you know, since the 60s and 70s in my hippie days, these connections from the Bible to aliens, how would you suggest a person proceed, if you will, in their rectifying themselves with this heritage or with this relationship in regard to, you know, the planning of their own life or where they will be in...
I've showed them who the God of the Old Testament is.
I've showed them that the Bible is a legal contract and how you can be part of that legal contract, and that's through Jesus Christ.
It's basically what we've already known, except ministers didn't have the big picture because they didn't look at the text outside the Bible.
And you need to do that to really understand the Bible and what it is.
And now that this book, The Bible Code, has come out, it justifies what I am talking about as far as the extraterrestrial source of it because, you know, even Drosnan said this appears to be, you know, from an extraterrestrial source.
And we've always known that heaven was not on earth.
It was non-terrestrial.
But as far as planning your life and everything, you just need to read the books and see what's going to happen, and then you can plan your life from there.
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Yeah, I know there's always been an esoteric interpretation and scabs of collective information about this sort of thing, which I've heard bits of throughout the years.
My only other comment, if I could, is I read something the other day in a publication that was put out by someone that was claiming to be the next coming of Christ.
Metreo was this name of this being's name.
But at any rate, he talked about wells in, I believe it was Brazil, in Mexico, and in free locations on the earth.
And the connection I want to make is that the water that comes out of these wells is supposedly claiming to cause all kinds of healings.
But the water, when weighed, weighs less than normal or natural water.
So in respect to what your husband is doing and discovered, I thought that it was interesting that there was someone else, and they've actually somehow supposedly made pills out of this water and sell them.
But they were claiming, you know, miraculous healings and just sort of general health upkeep with this.
You know, if you're not drinking deuterium, but see, deuterium lodges in the tissues of your body and it eventually helps with the aging with the aging process because it damages the organs over a long period of time.
So if you were not drinking any more deuterium, you're doing less damage to your body.
I don't know how it could heal it, but...
My husband, they have a company.
They're working now.
This water will eventually be available.
What they're trying to do is they're trying to clean up Earth's water supply.
They're trying to give people decent water to drink.
And they want to clean up the sewage waste and even industrial waste that's ruining our planet.
unidentified
Well, I commend you on your courageous outrageousness.
Maybe you should, because at the beginning of the interview, I was having a problem with a lot of what you were saying intellectually, even though I was enjoying the way you were saying it.
But as the interview has worn on and people have begun asking you questions-specific questions, either I've been listening to you too long or you're starting to make sense to me.
And I'm reading this book by a guy by the name of Lawrence Gardner.
It's titled Bloodline and the Holy Grail.
And what it does is it talks basically about the possibility of Christ having been married and having children and everything.
And I was wondering if the possibility of what she's saying about them being extraterrestrials and everything, what would that make Christ's direct heirs?
They would be hybrids and they would be his children.
I don't know anything about that book you're talking about, but I mean, what I have done is I have taken the Bible and what's in that, and I've analyzed it, dissected it, and shown what I think about it.
And the other texts that I have Consulted are basically texts that will tie into the Bible, like Nebuchadnezzar to Marduk, ties in in Daniel to sin, ties in with Psalm 82, which talks about the military coup when the God of the Old Testament went back to heaven.
And this wasn't the first time there was a military coup.
The Mesopotamian texts talk about Anu seizing power from a king called Alalu.
So this is not the first time that's happened.
unidentified
Okay.
So it wouldn't be, I was just curious because this directs his lineage all the way down now to the British nobilities as far as the Queen of England and everything.
So it wouldn't make you, do you think it would make them any more maybe potent hybrids?
I have two very practical questions that probably many listeners are wondering.
And earlier when you're talking about the woman having the lizard type being as a boyfriend, literally, my first question is, are the sexual organs the same as the human being?
And if so, is the texture lizard-like?
Because that would sound like a big problem.
My second question is that art has had many, many guests who have talked about some of these beings as insect-like, but I've never listened to a single show where they've been described beyond that.
That's very interesting because the Bible also says that the people that make it to heaven, the Christians that survive the tribulation, they're going to be set up in positions of authority and rulership on planet heaven.
Well, there's a lot of churches that do believe that heaven is a planet, but they don't really publicize that and talk about it that much because you've got to understand, religion has become so distorted because when they translated the Bible, they tried to make it into a generic deity.
And they removed these references to Elohim.
It appears 3,500 times in the Old Testament.
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Well, I think they tried to take people's personal power out of it.
I think that the church was afraid that people could have a relationship with Jesus or the Lord on their own without going through the church.
But my main point is that the Bible has been so twisted and warped by the translators that when you go and get one in the store, you're not getting the literal interpretation.
You're getting what they want you to see.
That's why I've done all this work.
That's why I've dug through all this and found what the words really mean so I can show everybody that this is a race of beings we're talking about, not one generic deity that they've changed Elohim to God or even God's name where it's written out as YHWH.
They just obliterate that now and just put God.
unidentified
On our news tonight, there was a segment about another cultish group near Fort Worth, Dallas, who planned to be taken to heaven on a space ship.
Art, I've never read your guest books, but many of the facts in quotation she's talking about just don't pan out.
Although, there are some clouds visible in a few lunar photos.
He admits that.
There is not enough atmosphere for them to drift.
Now, in my opinion, in for a penny, in for a pound, in other words, he admits there are a few clouds on the moon, in for a few clouds, in for a thunderstorm.
I mean, I would have said there's not a chance there's a cloud on the moon.
You said there was.
I kind of rolled my eyes a little bit.
But here, you know, some fellow in Georgia is coming at you and saying, you know, all right, there's a few clouds, but not enough for the limb to drift.
The extraterrestrials had bought slaves from Earth to Mars and Moon and different hidden planets and asteroids because they've got that capability of traveling that far by far.
Easy.
Have you ever seen the movie like Contact?
You know, I mean, that's like peanuts to them, you know.
Carl Sagan spent his whole career talking about how there were no extraterrestrials, and then he writes this book, Contact, and this movie's made after he's dead.
You would need, certainly, there is no sound, as they say, nobody can hear you scream in space, but the sensors were actually physically attached to the moon, and so they were hearing the...
There's something I'd like to add before we run out of time.
I want to say something about the crop circles.
Other researchers haven't noticed this, okay, because they don't know anything about the Mesopotamian religion.
But the Mesopotamian priests, when they wanted to contact the deities, would draw a magical circle and stand in the middle of it.
That's how they contacted their deities.
And it just seemed odd to me that the first formations that appeared were circles, and it was as though these Mesopotamian deities were saying to us, okay, now we're ready to talk to you.
Get in the circle.
And if we think about where they started to appear in 1976 to really proliferate, I mean, I'm not going to say they haven't ever appeared before that time, but they really began to proliferate in 1976 in England.
England is one of the last remaining monarchies on earth, and the Mesopotamian text state that kingship Was lowered from heaven, so wouldn't these Nibirians go to a place that they consider legal to begin their dialogue with mankind?
And I believe that those are transmissions from that serpent faction to mankind.
I'd like to talk to you and your guest about, you know, there's a minority of people that, and I don't know if this was on your show or one of the other shows, but that claim that the moon is, well, I don't know if you would call it a man-made satellite, but a satellite that is not natural.
I'm not going to say either way, but I kind of lean towards that if it's not an artificial satellite drug in from someplace else, then it's been turned into one.
unidentified
Well, I have read reports that there have been some kinds of research or scientific work that's been done that has never been released to us that will conclusively show that underneath the surface, it is not of, what am I trying to say?
It is not a natural kind of terrain.
Yeah, exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm not saying there's styrofoam inside, but that it's something that we are not capable of doing, but that had been done by another kind of intelligence or extraterrestrial or some other source like that, and then put into place where it is right now.
And I want to know where is all the commentary about this particular issue, because it turns the whole thing just upside down so that we're looking at it standing on our heads.
Well, there is one oddity about the moon that I have given some credence, and that is, when we have an eclipse, is it not odd that the moon precisely, from any point on the Earth, fits right over the sun?
It's not larger.
It's not smaller.
It precisely fits over the sun during an eclipse.
So that we might see a corona, as a matter of fact.
That's the only way you can see a corona.
unidentified
You know, who knows the answer to that one?
Who?
Your friend Richard Hoagland.
Well, the only one who would know that if it's the same size and the size of the disk, and you happen to look at it, it's the same size as the sunglasses covering your eye, and you take out your watch, and it's the same.
Now, I don't know if I can go any farther than that, but just about anybody out there has to admit that for the moon, its size, to be precisely from the Earth, at an exact distance to block precisely, no further, no less, the sun, so that we get a corona is pretty weird.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnich.
And actually, the local station stops carrying you as a five, so I don't know what you're talking about up to this point.
But, well, I had a comment and a question.
Okay.
Okay.
I'll start with a question.
A couple of weeks ago, you had a show, which I didn't get, I was hoping you'd repeat it also sometime, but the gist of it was, because I didn't get to hear the whole thing, but it was a Christian man who, I believe, was a scientist, and he thought that any UFO beings were devils and demons.
Well, I think that in a way they're right, that the aliens that we're seeing now, most of them are most likely members of that serpent faction, which means that they would be, to the fundamentalists, they would view that as being demonic or whatever.
Actually, those beings are all physical beings that look like us.
It's just that they're members of the adversarial faction.
That's my take on it.
I'm not going to say that every alien that visits Earth is bad because, first of all, there's a verse in the Bible, Ephesians something other, I can't remember now the exact thing, but it does say that there are principalities and powers that are watching what's going on earth right now.
The reason they want to watch is because they want to see if the God of heaven is going to keep his contract with mankind.
And it says that there's wickedness in the heavenly places, too.
So this could be references to other evil races that would come here and try to use us for their own purposes.
Sure.
This could account for a lot of extraterrestrial activity.
Cynthia, what is your take on reincarnation and how this fits into the scheme of the different cultures and the fact that it's been taken out of the Bible completely?
You know, there's just a lot of evidence that points towards it being true.
There's a lot of cases like over in India where people have been reincarnated and little kids and they're actually remembering when they were an adult and they want to go back and see their family and everything.
Well, I don't know that much about physics, but I really don't think dust could float in a vacuum or be suspended above a planet for any period of time.
Now, as far as the vegetation and all the rest of it ought to be seen.
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I think as far as clouds go, I think there is one explanation for that, and that's what we're doing.
Things called transients, which are apparently, they've been cited in ancient times, but they're apparently volcanic activity, or you know, just a little bit of a remnant volcanic activity.
Now, I was really happy to hear, here you are at the other day, you know, questioning Hoagland about his geometry, because I get the impression that Hoagland really doesn't even know the basics of spherical geometry, even though it's so simple.
And if people would, there's a nice kind of educational toy that people can get to really get this basics of it.
It's called Leonard's Sphere.
And if you get that, you'll get the basics of navigation, and then you will not be fooled by astrologers and Richard Hoagland.
Because I get the impression that Hoagland is deluded.
Now, as for crop circles, I have one more thing to say.
Crop circles, if you were a druid, remember that druids were agricultural folk, how would you go about, say if you were the head druid, how would you go about making a crop circle?
It says he had no father, no mother, had no genealogy.
He was some kind of hybrid or some type of just specially created being, probably created in a laboratory.
And he exists forever.
He could even have been a robot.
But I'm glad you brought him up because it shows that somebody back there with high technology was creating something that was not in the normal plan of humans and whatever.
You know, the theory that I've heard that I like best about how we got our oceans comes from a lot of astronomers who believe that we were early on bombarded by a lot of material, and we're still being bombarded today.
But early on in Earth's history, we were hit by a number of comets, which are nothing but ice, of course, and water, big comets, perhaps even moon-sized comets or larger.
And that they account for the water.
A lot of it was disseminated into the atmosphere and then fell as rain.
Maybe, maybe not.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Cynthia Durnage.
unidentified
Hi.
Hi, Art Bill.
My name is Rob, and I'm from Lakewood, Washington.
East of the Rockies, without a lot of time, you're on the air with Cynthia Turnage.
Hi.
unidentified
Hi.
I just have one comment, and that was an earlier caller asked you about you knew about contact between aliens, but you wouldn't go into it, so therefore you lose a lot of credibility.
Well, it's showing as that deity is picking, I guess, a holy or holy, a ripe seed of various people throughout the Old Testament and taking care to follow their destiny or their lineage.
It kind of gets into that hybrid of bastardization in Genesis 6.
I guess there's a quote out of Jude, verse 6, there talking about the angels being reserved into judgment.
Comes, I guess, then, out of a quote from the book of Enoch.
It shows that's actually a descent, again, of about 200 angels.
I'm sure you're familiar with that particular information.
Well, one step further, that's maybe, and I don't know if it's common or she knows, the scene in the Bible, there's a lot of evidence to show, at least biblically, that even Paul and his arguments bases the first sin or the original sin, not actually as an apple, but a sexual encounter.
And with that, of course, Lucifer seducing, I guess, is the original expatio, whichever word you want to follow.
These particular arguments show that she was seduced and that the group known as the Kenite was the product of that, who were, I guess, during Jesus' day, various leaders that ruled in Palestine.
I shall be sitting here playing with these cameras for a while yet, folks, as I am trying to get them to do what I want them to do.
And they eventually will, or I will reduce them to very small pieces.
Actually, they're getting a lot better all the time.
And I've already surpassed what we had with the other cameras.
I would appreciate any comments you have on them.
And as far as tonight's show is concerned, it is an example of going out on the edge.
That's what we do here.
That's what this is all about.
Sometimes it's an edge you understand, you agree with, other times you don't.
Reading the taxes, it's been running about 50-50.
But what I would like to say is that those who are rude, sort of, in my opinion, like that caller a few moments ago, lose an awful lot of it, credibility, that is, themselves, when they utter some little lousy, rude thing and hang the phone up.
So, see you tomorrow night.
It'll be yet a different program tomorrow night.
I think you're going to enjoy it.
Once again, we'll be talking or investigating the realm of remote viewing.