Gregg Braden, aerospace engineer and geologist, argues that 25+ biblical texts were censored around 325 A.D. under Constantine to suppress knowledge of advanced civilizations—like those hinted at by the 11,000–22,000-year-old Temple of Osiris or the Mars "face"—and "inner technology" enabling genetic shifts. Studies, including 1995 AIDS research and 1996 UCLA HIV cases, show dormant DNA activating via emotion, granting immunity up to 3,000 times stronger than conventional science admits. Braden’s optimism stems from global anecdotes of healing and conscious evolution, but resistance persists among entrenched belief systems. Science now confirms ancient claims: thoughts and emotions physically alter biology, including gland regulation and rapid organ regeneration—like his witnessed bladder cancer disappearance in minutes. The future hinges on embracing these lost mechanisms before outdated paradigms collapse. [Automatically generated summary]
If you're new to joining us at this hour, boy, did you miss some interview with Dr. Malin, the man in charge of the Mars photography that we all hope is going to go on?
It was a very well-done interview.
Lasted about 25 minutes, somewhere in there.
Linda Moulton Howe did it with Michael Malin.
And I came away with a lot of impressions, some of them rather cynical, but maybe that's just me.
We've come the whole way this week now with regard to this controversy, beginning with Richard Hogund, and then, of course, the two scientists we had on last night, Dr. McDaniel, and then Michael Malin tonight.
So we've heard from just about everybody, and we will do kind of an assessment of the whole thing as we move forward, I'm sure, this morning, in our conversation with Greg Braden.
And this is a program I have been looking forward to doing for a while.
I think you'll enjoy it.
First, I again would like to note the passing, the sad passing, of actor J.T. Walsh.
J.T. was most recently on Dark Skies on NBC, and I was fortunate enough to have done a scene with him, spent a couple of hours or more with him.
A really, really nice guy.
And of course, he did a lot more than Dark Skies.
He did a few good men, Slingblade, The Grifters, which was a fabulous movie, Good Morning Vietnam, and on and on.
He's got a long list, came to acting late in life, and has passed on a heart attack at 54, J.T. Walsh.
Very sad.
Now, again, I am going to have continuing comments for you on this Mars Global Explorer story.
And it, believe me, believe me, does not stop here.
Not by a long shot.
So you'll be hearing more about this next week, but I thought the interview with Dr. Michael Malin was particularly revealing and interesting.
And I'll use those words.
It was certainly professionally done, but I speak now of the content of Dr. Malin's interview.
I just thought it was a bit of a dance.
And I would love to...
And if you can find the time, I can find the time.
And I'll leave it at that.
Maybe some of you kind people out there would fire some email at Dr. Malin and let him know that I would be very interested in interviewing him personally.
Now, scientist, author, and guide to sacred sites throughout the world, Greg Braden has been featured on television and radio programs nationwide.
He has two books that I know many of you know about, one called Awakening to Zero Point and Walking Between the Worlds.
They've received wide acclaim as definitive texts marrying ancient traditions, modern science, religion, and spirituality into a unified view of daily life.
Professional careers as a geologist and aerospace engineer provide Greg with the unique ability to guide us through our ancient science of inner technology, offering an original wisdom, moving us beyond the challenges of earth changes, health, and relationship into the greatest possibilities of human experience.
Well, Dr. Malin indicated that it would be, for him, a high point in his career were he able to image Sidonia and prove, for example, that the vase on Mars is not a natural thing and that he would, boy, get it out automatically like this.
He said, in my opinion, it's going to be about one in 50 million that it's not natural.
And he said that would be like hitting the $50 million lottery.
Now, when you listen to other scientists, Greg, they come up with numbers almost as strong on the other side, indicating that the work they have done, very extensive with what we have, indicates there is very little chance that these objects are natural at all.
Then, of course, he said we may not be able to image it at all.
There are no guarantees, in which case I just have to say I'm sorry.
Now, my comment to Linda, and my comment again tonight, is that examine the lives of most people who win $50 million in the lottery, since that was his analogy.
It ruins their lives, generally.
They blow the money.
They get into drugs or they start drinking or they, in some way or another, are not prepared for it.
Now, I happen to be a believer in the Brookings study.
Well, this is, once again, the synchronicity chimes in.
And as I was thinking about how we may lead in to our discussions tonight, this couldn't have been a more opportunity or a more opportune way to do this because the discussion we're going into now, I thought we might have on the last of our four hours.
And why not start right there and then just move forward?
I believe this is an example of a question that I asked.
I actually just wrote an entire article about this in our most recent newsletter.
And the question I posed is this.
It's a more general question.
Why is it that the discoveries that hold the greatest potential for bringing peace into our world are being delayed?
And I believe the face on Mars is one of those, certainly the opening of the chambers under the Sphinx, the newly discovered chambers in the Great Pyramid, and the excavation of what appear to be archaeological sites under the ice in Antarctica.
And the bottom line for all of those art is if any one of those were to come to fruition publicly.
Do you think, I know you are, but do you think one of these discoveries, let's pick one.
I don't care.
Let's go to Egypt and talk about keys.
And let's say that they somehow get authorized to dig under the left paw of the Sphinx and they find, oh my God, the Hall of Records.
Right.
Which indicates that we are not by far the first civilization on the planet, that they have come and gone, and the Hall of Records is thought by many, Greg, and check me if I'm wrong, to be kind of a last will and testament of a civilization for some future civilization.
There are subtexts that suggest that there are many halls of records, and that the particular one under the Sphinx may contain a continuous record of human history for the last 50,000 years or so prior to its closing around the Ice Age, about 10,500 years ago.
So if, and that's a perfect example, if that were done in front of live public scrutiny, you know, covered by CNN and the Fox networks which are proposing to do just that, in that moment humanity never can look at itself the same again.
All of a sudden we're not Egyptians and Americans and blacks and whites and Native Americans.
All of a sudden we're human with a collective history and if we're to believe what the texts suggest we're on a collective path towards a great turning point that is apparently very close at hand and we'll lead into that for the rest of the ethos.
Let me give you an example of why I feel the way I do.
And I want you to jump in, and you just jump all over me anytime you want to, all right?
I get mail by bins.
I get bins of mail at a time.
Every time we go to the post office, we have bins of mail.
Thousands and thousands of letters.
And about 20% of those letters, Greg, are from devout Christians who think that I'm damn near the devil incarnate, or that I am, and that because I discuss the things that I discuss,
the possibilities, for example, that you and I are talking about right now, that I'm going to go straight to hell without passing go, that I'm deceived, and that I'm working for the devil.
Well, this is, again, Art, this is a perfect lead-in for what we're doing tonight.
Because what happened, and this is the key and why I've really put a lot of thought into the way we can approach this tonight, 1,700 years ago, Art, key elements of our most sacred texts were taken out of the open literature.
And the technology, the belief systems, the history, the science that we have developed since that time are based, at very best, they're based in incomplete understandings of our relationship with our world and with one another.
We know of at least 25 of what today we would call biblical texts and at least 20 supporting texts.
And this is where it gets really important.
They weren't necessarily biblical texts.
They were supporting technical documents that were removed in the year 325 A.D. And the texts that were left were rearranged.
700 years later, they were translated to the languages of the West, poorly translated, even further confusing our relationship with our world, our heritage, and between one another.
Well, the intent, in the open literature, the intent was that there were redundant texts.
They were confusing.
They were mysterious.
They didn't make sense to the common people.
And that's exactly what we're seeing today, is people believing that they can interpret our experience of life for us.
So 1700 years ago, they were saying, you know, the average man really isn't capable of understanding this kind of material.
Let's make it simple for him.
And we're kind of seeing that same thing again today.
And one of the places where, on the one hand, this happened, on the other hand, it may not make that much difference now because those texts were also the basis for what later became the Dead Sea Scrolls.
They were the basis for the Nag Hammadi Libraries, the great libraries in Lhasa.
By the way, we're going there in April, and next time we do a show, I hope to have some new information directly from those libraries to share with you.
Because the information was so key, it wasn't relegated to a single text art.
It was very well known before 1700 years ago.
So at the very best, and this is what leads us right into our discussions tonight, at the very best, our view of our world today, our science, our technology, our history, is based in incomplete information.
So what I'd say to people who are adamant about looking at the texts, I agree 100%.
Go back pre-1700 years ago and look at the original texts.
Well, I say that because I think that what we've been discussing tonight, for example, a discovery in Egypt, would be as disruptive to society as the truth would have been continuing way back when.
So a key portion, and this is where I believe so much of the discussion about this time in history is being overlooked.
A key portion of these texts was regarding what today we might call an inner technology.
It's the technology to literally, it's the technology to intentionally change body chemistry, to intentionally change genetic ordering, intentionally shift immunity within our bodies.
Actually, I thought we might end up here in about four hours in our discussion.
And so we're beginning here.
Who knows where we'll go?
I believe this is the opportunity of discussions like this and of a program like yours.
And I agree with you.
I believe there are more people who are ready to embrace the possibility of a heritage much greater than we've ever been led to believe.
Relatively few people who believe we're not ready for it.
And those few, in many instances, are the ones who are dictating the policies that are preventing us from accessing that heritage.
And I believe, and I've seen this in my own program, this is the 12th year now that I've offered these programs in one form or another.
They watch the programs.
They listen to shows like this.
And I believe if we develop this information responsibly and say, yes, maybe that information was taken from us 1,700 years ago, maybe it wasn't.
I think it's how we go about embracing it and implementing it into our lives today that determines how quickly it is actually acknowledged and made public.
I'm going to, for example, say now, Greg, I'm even willing to entertain the notion that there is a cabal of some sort, generally separate from our elected representative government, that is preventing this information from coming forth.
In other words, I don't think, for example, the Clinton administration would prevent this kind of information.
But I think this has been controlled by a group of people or organizations for a long time.
I'm starting to sound like Richard Hoagland.
But I really think that I can embrace that possibility.
Well, it ties back in what we were talking about earlier, 1,700 years ago, when this information was taken out of our general text.
It was relegated to secret societies, mystery schools, priesthoods that have evolved over time.
What I'm saying now, Art, is that you and me and our listeners and this generation, we have a choice now because we have the opportunity to rise above what that means and find a more positive way to acknowledge it, say, okay, it happened 1,700 years ago.
This is now.
Let's bring this wisdom into our lives now.
Let's integrate it into our societies responsibly, into our technologies, and let's take humanity to places that we've only dreamed of in conscious memory because we've already been angry.
We've already chastised those who have kept this from us before.
I think we have the choice now to move in a new direction and to do this a new way.
I am going to be going on a cruise in May with Dr. Zahi Hawass, who is the Antiquities Director at GISA, and Graham Hancock, Robert Baval, Danian Brinkley, and I'm going to be moderating a debate between these gentlemen.
Every prospect, some one of them, or even me, may be going into the sea.
That was a comment made, by the way, by Dr. Hawass.
first question you asked me when we came on almost an hour ago if we were to confirm this face on Mars which by some estimates is being dated at over 50,000 years old which incidentally is the same age that the the Hall of Records, the continuous record of human history over 50,000 years or if...
This is what some of the records, as we go back and look at the dates and the records of Herodotus and Greek historians, and we piece the dates together.
These are the kinds of dates that we're coming up with, and it's all circumstantial evidence for right now.
New Earth Imaging Radar is showing vast archaeological sites, what look to be vast archaeological sites, underneath several miles of ice in Antarctica.
And again, my question is if...
Well, if we're really serious about understanding our history, why are these kinds of discoveries being delayed, my belief is that we're still preparing.
And I had this very discussion with Graham Hancock, Robert Buval, John West.
We met in Boulder, Colorado twice in 1997 in private meetings.
And what I shared with them is it's the perspective I'd like to bring to this discussion this evening.
If these cultures and if these technologies were indeed here 50,000 years ago, we know, for example, that Australian Aboriginal DNA can be traced back at least 35,000 years directly.
So we know we were here at least 35,000 years ago.
There's a good chance, Art, that these societies and the sciences were based on a very different technology than what we, than the path that we have chosen today and my offering to Buval and Hancock and West was that we may even accelerate the process of understanding what's in these chambers if we understand this technology and it's a technology we're just now beginning to suspect our own
science is documenting this inner technology today.
And we'll get into that for the rest of the evening.
I was just going to say those exact words because you added the implications.
There are some belief systems that believe Earth is exactly 6,000 years old.
And then we look at the Aboriginal oral traditions that go back many thousands of years.
We look at their DNA that goes back 35,000 years.
We look at the implications in our own history.
We believe that we're pretty liberal here in the West in some respects.
And we look at what happened with John West and Robert Schock trying to date the Sphinx at only 8,000 years old.
And we're talking about now dating that pre-ice age, the implications.
I believe this is the generation where all this changes.
This is the generation where we are living the past paradigm and we're developing a new one and that's happening in the presence of one another in this generation.
Next generation, it'll be a little easier because the new ideas now have been offered.
This is the generation, I think history will look back at this generation and they're going to say this is where the choices were made to embrace the inner technology rather than giving our power away to the machines that we've built.
This is the generation that chose to really embrace the history and the heritage that we have behind us and carry it forward.
Sure, they point to all kinds of changes that we can expect.
I'm looking at social changes, political changes, economic changes.
I'm looking at the very obvious things, the breaking down of communist ideals, the way that families are restructuring the family units globally, not just in the West.
I'm looking at how many new ideas, new kinds of ideas we've had to embrace to bring us to the point where we are right now.
And for me, that's very exciting.
What I see is a relatively small handful of people who are holding on to the old ideas that were not ready.
And they're watching really carefully, Art, to see how people embrace the new ideas.
In the mid-70s, I was working in the oil and gas industry as a geologist, and I was also working as an engineer on the side developing free energy devices with some other researchers you may have even had on your show.
Well, you know, in the 90s, I worked for the Defense Department working on the MX missile, and at the same time, was developing programs based in the ancient sciences of compassion.
We're going to get off to the side here, but I can't help but ask, I've never talked to anybody who did that, what sort of mental processes does one experience as you work on a world-ending weapon?
Well, Art, the first thing I asked myself is why me, of all people with my background, my beliefs, my understandings in peace and compassion, why did I find myself in that project?
And I think that's exactly why, because I had such a, at that time, such a charge on such a judgment about that kind of technology.
I had just read a book by Carl Sagan called The Cold in the Dark, which was a modeling of scenarios between the U.S. and the Soviets in the event of the nuclear war.
And when I hired on in the aerospace industry, I believed I was going to work on space programs.
And what happens, Art, if you've ever worked around these before, they hire you, and then you wait four, five, or six months for your clearance before you ever know what projects you're assigned to.
In other words, I can't think of any more negative side of nuclear technology than we could discuss than the MX or the SS-18 or 20 or whatever, you know, on the other side or whatever.
Nuclear missiles that, if used, would...
If there had been a full exchange, Greg, what would have occurred?
I think it's very dangerous to And what has just come out, and this was actually part of a discussion I thought we'd get into later tonight, the reason that so many Eastern Bloc countries were so ready to let go of the nuclear arsenal is because they had something even better that today we call biological weapons.
There was a dateline, just did a special on it two nights ago.
And it was for whatever reason, it's the path that we chose, Art.
We did have relative peace and stability during the 20 or so years that we were doing this.
And the choices were made then to back down on all sides.
And that's precisely what happened.
What we didn't hear is that there were other things in the wings.
and that the program with almost obsolete before it ever completed because new technologies were being We were also part of the SDI platforms that were being developed, Star Wars Defense Initiative at that time, which is, that's a whole different discussion.
It is, and I would simply ask you, if we were attacked, if there was a full-scale attack from Russia, for example, do we have enough of SDI in place to shoot down the missiles?
And regardless of, and by the way, I want to say one more thing.
Having said everything I said last hour to you, I am still in favor, regardless of what I think the consequences are going to be, of plowing ahead and learning the truth, no matter what the truth may turn out to be.
As in my art, and what I wanted to do just before the top of the hour, we'd started a conversation and we digressed just a little bit, and I wanted just to have some completion with that before we go on.
When I was working in oil and gas and also developing free energy techniques on the side, what we discovered, and I believe this applies to this plowing ahead with the truth of our heritage and our history,
is that when we took those free energy proven, demonstrable, tangible, real technologies, working prototypes, and we took them into the organizations that would be responsible for implementing them, when they saw them as threatening to what they had at that time, that's when we ran into the problems.
And when we went in with them and said, look, this is a possibility.
Let's work together to develop this and implement this the way it makes sense.
It was received in a much different vein, and those programs are continuing today.
That's an important difference, but they are not there now.
And they may be at the conferences, and I know there's a lot of very interesting things that are presented.
But give me a company name, give me a number, let me order one of these devices, go out and stuff it in the earth, put up my antenna, whatever it is I have to do, get my voltage and even limited amounts of current, and I'll be a believer.
Well, I didn't know we were going to have that conversation tonight.
I don't have it right here at my fingertips, and I'd be happy to get back with you on that kind of information.
What I'm saying is when that kind of information is taken into an existing power structure, how it's introduced makes all the difference in the world in terms of how it's received.
Well, the fact of the matter is, Greg, looking around America and the third world, and I've done a lot of travel in the third world, believe me, you know what they're doing?
They're burning coal, they're burning oil, they're burning fossil fuels, and I think they're going to keep doing it for another 45 years, which is about when we're going to run out.
So what I'm saying, what I've found is when we go and work with these people and say, look, you don't have all the information, we don't have all the information, let's work together, get all the facts, and from those facts, let's move forward and see what makes sense.
That's much different than going in and saying, your story doesn't work anymore.
We're going to toss it out the window and we're going to implement this new history.
When we were there, I was in Egypt in, let's see, it was December of 96.
And one of the most mysterious, and by some estimates, John West certainly believes it's one of the oldest sites outside of Giza is about 90 miles west of Luxor, a little village of Abydos.
And that's where we find the Seti I temple that's built on top of something even older that's called the Osirian, the Temple of Osiris, very non-Egyptian.
You may have seen it when you were there this last trip.
Well, when we were there, it's been off-limits intermittently.
It depends on the political situation and things like that.
We were there in 96.
There was an archaeologist who was there.
There's no dates, no hieroglyphics.
It's never really been dated.
We know that there's another temple on top that's dated at 2800 BC.
So this one has to predate that.
There wasn't supposed to be anything happening there, certainly on that magnitude.
And what the archaeologist was doing, he was saying, okay, let's look at empirical dating methods.
Assuming the Nile River floods once a year, which it has throughout recorded human history, he said, let's count the number of layers of silt on top of this.
And he said, even if there were times in history where the Nile flooded twice a year, we'd be off by 50%.
We'd still have some idea of what we're talking about.
Well, when we were there in 96, they counted 22,000 layers of Nile silt on top of this temple.
So if we assume one per year, one Nile flood per year, we're talking about 22,000 years.
If they're off by 50%, it's still 11,000 years.
And that kind of data, the Egyptian archaeologists, they have to look at that.
I believe that as well, Art, and that's precisely where the rest of our conversation tonight is going to lead to, because up until 1,700 years ago, we knew pretty much what they knew.
We understood fundamental key relationships between ourselves, our world, the way that we function within our world.
And when those left, when they were taken out of our text 1,700 years ago, we developed a science, a mathematics, a technology that it's the best we could do with what we had, and it's based on incomplete information.
Now, even though those texts were taken from us, as we're going back into the great libraries in Lhasa, in Tibet, for example, or through the Nag Hammadi Library or the Dead Sea Scrolls or the Gnostic traditions or wherever in Ethiopia, the translations in Ethiopia, wherever they're coming from, they're telling us about, they're reminding us of what I think many people have always felt inside.
That's just what you're saying, Art, that our history predates what our texts are saying to us and that we lived our lives much differently then than we do now.
The reason this is important is because I know you've had many guests on your show and I certainly have people that come to my conferences and my seminars and they're saying, well, Greg, what about the breakdown of the ozone layer and the high-frequency ultraviolet light?
Actually, you mentioned the ideal one a little bit earlier, and I think you're absolutely correct.
I don't think that our apparel will end up being nuclear dust, radioactive dust.
I think that more likely the little things will get us, and we are actively, whether you people want to believe it or not, with black ops, creating the nastiest, meanest killing machines that you can't even see, biological killing machines.
And all it would take is one accident, and our tombstone goes up for a Type Zero.
They had a Soviet defector who was in charge of biological weapons production and defected to the U.S. He said to inoculate.
The interviewer asked the question, can't we inoculate ourselves against these?
He said, to do that, you would have to inoculate yourself, our entire Western or global civilization, against at least 52 viruses and bacteria.
And he said, no one right now can survive 52 immunizations.
This is the crux of the whole conversation that we're having here.
We can externally try to fix all of those biological entities, or, and this is the part that's being missed, I'm going to say this again and again, or we shift internally, moving ourselves out of resonance, out of the range of where those things are meaningful to our bodies, and that's precisely what we're seeing happening.
And my question is, and this is where we're going to go for the rest of the evening, is there a new race, a new species, rather, of human that's being birthed among us right now?
And I believe the answer is yes.
I believe that, because if we define ourselves genetically the way that we always have, something has happened since 1995 to human DNA documented in the open literature.
It's not being well publicized.
And that something, that change, is what it is that sets us apart from those inordinate statistics that say we'll never make it.
This is the crux of our whole conversation tonight, Art.
And I'm going to back up two sentences.
I'm going to give a context to this and we're going to move forward with a tremendous amount of information here.
Almost universally, ancient traditions suggest that something unique is happening to Earth.
You've certainly documented that in your book.
I've done it in mine.
And to the human body, to our bodies at this time in history.
And that is the portion I believe that so many people are overlooking.
When we're looking at this outrageous phenomenon, falling magnetics and solar flares and ozone breakdowns and new diseases, we're looking at it from the perspective of our bodies being stagnant, being what we've always seen and believed them to be.
And through the ancient traditions, the Mayan traditions, indigenous traditions, and now our own science is bearing witness to an amazing phenomenon.
And I'm a little surprised it's not making front-page news in popular journals, although it is in technical journals.
We've believed that they were simply vestiges of something maybe from our past and really not well understood.
What researchers are documenting now, I'll lay out the generalities, we'll go into specifics, is that those codes that we believed were possibly vestiges of something we no longer need appear, at least in some documented cases, to be dormant codes that may be awakened by choices that we make in terms of our response to the challenges of life.
Maybe the magnetics of Earth declining or a challenge, or the breakdown of the ozone and high-frequency ultraviolet light.
And it's relatively recently we've really begun to embrace the possibility that maybe we have a variable genetic code rather than a fixed code, and that variable code is what assures that we beat those odds that you just gave a little while ago of whether or not we survived this time in history and we survived these great changes.
I'm going to go back to 1995 because this is when, and 95 is relatively recent, and then we'll bring it up to even more current.
1995 is, I think, when I first began seeing the inklings of this published, and I was scouring the tech journals.
And I'll just say right off, I'm not a geneticist, although I've had to learn a lot about chemistry and genetics to stay on top of this research.
1995, for the first time, to my knowledge, Art, there was a global blood study that was done that crossed geographic, age-defined, cultural, ethnic backgrounds.
And the impetus for this blood study was the HIV virus.
Researchers were trying to determine really where this epidemic was going.
So I think that was the driver.
What they discovered surprised the researchers.
It was published in lay journals.
Actually, the study was carried out by the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center in New York City.
It was published in the science journal, Science News, Science Metting Nature, things like that.
What they discovered was that at least 1%, now that's not a large percentage, and it means that it happened, at least 1% of our global population that was tested had DNA that had mutated to the point where it was highly resistant to the HIV virus.
I wouldn't use the word immune, although the resistance was measured up to 3,000 times the resistance of the average human against the HIV virus.
I am very well aware that there are, for example, in Africa, there are prostitutes that are virtually immune to the AIDS virus.
They have proven this.
But I've seen no writing suggesting that this immunity was acquired through a mutated genetic structure.
Where is that?
In other words, how can we know that it's actually mutated in the time we've been watching or even a generation or two versus just the fact that we've got some people with a slightly different genetic structure in just the right place?
Your question is leading us right to where we're going.
That's why this study is different.
Because in this study, they noted two things.
First of all, they noted how unusual it is for this to happen within the same generation where the challenge, in this case, the HIV virus has been the problem.
In other words, they would expect to see it maybe in the offspring of these people.
What they noted in this study, and there was a researcher named Nathaniel Landau who backed this up, and then there was further research done at the University of Alabama in Birmingham, and I'll get into that in just a minute.
They said that this is an example of what they were calling spontaneous genetic mutation.
It was of recent evolutionary origin, and that's a direct quote from them.
It appeared to have happened within the lifetime of the individual rather than at birth in response to something that was introduced into their lives.
The study at University of Alabama, Birmingham, actually has documented now five gene sets that appear to be dormant in some people and turned on during the lifetime of others in response.
All right, so that would mean that they have two genetic studies of the subjects that you're talking about.
One showing a certain genetic structure or a certain set of gene sets, and a second study later showing the revised or changed or activated gene sets, depending on how you want to put it.
The second one was done in 1996, and they were released right around August of 96.
This is important because it led to a myriad of additional studies, and these led into other areas that were not HIV related.
Some of them were cancer-related.
It goes on and on.
What they're finding is that in human DNA, in a DNA map, we have what are called URF, unused reading frames.
And that's simply, it's a technical term.
It means there's a portion of human DNA that appears to be unused.
Those portions, of URFs, is where these new kinds of DNA are appearing from.
And it's happening so frequently now.
There's actually a publication called Cytokine, C-Y-T-O-K-I-N-E.
And like you, when I first began to hear this, I thought, okay, it happened once or twice.
How much is this really happening?
And a publication called Cytokine is documenting, it's maybe about a half inch thick every month, every 30 days it comes out, new amino acids that we've never seen before in human population studies.
And these new amino acids are allowing tremendously enhanced immune systems.
They're allowing cellular regeneration faster than we've ever documented in these kinds of populations before.
And it all appears to be related to the outlook that these people have on the conditions of their lives.
So what they're finding is that indeed there is something happening.
10, 15 years ago, we were told that anyone that tested positive for HIV would probably succumb to full-blown AIDS within 10 to 14 years.
That no longer is true.
And I believe, and maybe this is the optimist in me again, I believe that we will never, as a global population, succumb to AIDS because there's a part of us collectively we've chosen to enable that portion of ourselves to enable physiologically or biologically the conditions that render us, if not immune, at least highly resistant to the AIDS.
We are now giving to AIDS-infected people a soup made up of AZT and protease inhibitors and other things.
One other thing I can't recall.
And I am told by most scientists that particularly these protease inhibitors in conjunction with the other drugs they already have are actually able to eradicate the HIV virus to the degree that they can no longer measure it in the body.
It doesn't mean it isn't latent, but they can no longer measure it.
And that is these, I think, conventional wisdom, scientific reason that we are not having as many deaths of AIDS.
In fact, I think it's now down for the second year in a row.
But that would be the amount of time that we've been using these new treatments.
What you're suggesting is that we are becoming naturally immune or building our immunity to AIDS, and that's why we're seeing fewer cases.
Globally, AIDS deaths from AIDS that are recorded anyway are down.
Last year they were down 13% in 1997.
I don't know where they are, first two months of 98.
We're just getting into this research because now the question that these researchers were asking and where this research has led has some pretty astounding implications that tie right back into the ancient texts, right back into what happened 1,700
years ago, into a way of approaching life or a code of conduct, if you will, that allows our bodies the fullest Expression of these genetic codes and our truest nature, our truest nature.
Would you suggest that without this cocktail they're giving to HIV-infected people, we would be having now the same remission patterns, the same lowering of the number of new cases because of genetic change?
I believe that because of the relatively few number of people that are taking the cocktail and because of the global decrease, number one, and number two, because in UCLA in 1996, and this is also reported in New England Journal of Medicine, there were children that were born HIV positive.
Now this is where the controversy comes in, and this is where the science comes in, because the key in it appears, and I'll get into the research if not before, after the top of the hour, so if we'll come back, the key in whether or not these dormant codes are enabled,
whether or not, what's the switch that turns off and turns on these key genetic sequences, it appears to be a lost technology, a lost science that we call emotion married with logic.
In other words, our belief systems, how we feel, how we respond, our outlook, our view of life, and now carried into the cancers and other debilitating conditions, these are being proven out.
Just before we go to the top of the hour, I want to share one of the studies that was done, and I don't know why these studies don't make Time magazine.
I really don't.
This was Stanford University in 1996, a gentleman named William Tiller, who is really well known in his field of researching the relationship between emotion and the immune system.
The way he laid this out in this particular study was that he looked at the human body as a series of biological oscillators and equated them with electronic oscillators that we're used to dealing with in our laboratories.
And what he found was that the oscillators of the human body can be synchronized through mental and emotional self-control, through our outlook on life.
And in doing that, they documented direct correlations to HRV, heart rate variability.
There's a study I'll share with you after the break.
And we all have emotion, and emotion has been so overlooked in the Western world.
For the first time, Art, and I've witnessed, documented, we show this in our seminars, and I've been part of the research.
We've actually documented emotion as a physical waveform, and that waveform, we've actually documented, now I've seen documented, how that waveform either turns off or turns on key genetic sequences on DNA, and that is a technology.
And that's the technology, I believe, one of four key technologies that was lost 1,700 years ago.
If we were to witness these phenomenon without context, it's just a bizarre phenomenon.
It's just isolated instances.
If we were to witness unprecedented solar flares or all the phenomenon, the decrease in magnetics and breakdown of the ozone, all the new diseases, everything we're talking about, they're interesting.
Researchers view them as discrete, non-related events that just happen to be occurring at the same time, and that's a perspective.
Yes, there's another perspective that says, look at this time in history, and what gives us that context is the continuity of the ancient traditions that apparently were so clear of what we were about to move into now, apparently because we have done this before to varying degrees, and this ties back into our earlier conversation.
They said, sure, your earth is going to change, and you're going to see that.
Your body will change.
And they left us what I believe as a scientist and a researcher, I say this in all sincerity, they left us a technology that allows us to transcend these great changes and carry forward fully enabled, fully empowered, perhaps more than we have ever been as humans in recorded human history.
One of your main, I think, proof points is you claim new patterns of human DNA triggering spontaneous healings of incurable conditions.
Now, let's leave AIDS alone because we're going to end up probably arguing about soups and so forth and so forth.
Can we, in any way, scientifically, document per capita more spontaneous healings, whether we're talking about cancer or whatever, today than 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago?
I mean, I could quote you some pretty worrisome stats.
For example, with regard to men in America, since the end of World War II, there is a 300% increase in non-smoking-related cancer.
So I'm wondering, with regard to spontaneous remission, can we in any way document an increase per capita in the last 50 or even 100 years?
I think the studies, researchers are just now seeing a reason to even carry out these studies, and that's why they're so new, 1995, 96.
I believe that we've always had that capability.
And the second part of your question, the answer to that, is where we're going with this.
You said, well, what's the difference between prostitutes in Africa that seem to be HIV cases on the rise and what we're seeing in other places?
And that was where just at the top of the hour I tied back into the studies that were showing that the belief systems, which is a really nebulous area to get into, the belief systems of the individuals appear to be linked to their ability to enable these codes.
And I say that it appears to be nebulous until 1995 and 96 when we began seeing studies come out of Stanford University, the Institute of Heart Math, for example, in Northern California, Stanford University,
around in that area, that were actually viewing our bodies as biological oscillators and showing how our choice in thought, feeling, and emotion either tune or detune those oscillators in our bodies.
And they even carried that into a study in 1995.
It was a really interesting study that was published in the Journal of Advancement in Medicine.
It's the first study that I saw, and there may be others out there, 1995, is the first one that I saw that actually linked emotion with our immune system.
And what they did on this study, there's an antibody.
But for the first time, Mark, I believe we understand why that is, because if I had a chalkboard, I could show you really, really well.
So we'll use the chalkboard of our mind.
And what I'll say is, if we envision the double helix of DNA, and along that double helix, the great mysteries have always been, number one, how do these codes, or these, if you want to think of them as little antenna, because that's essentially the role they play, in our bodies, how do they know where to form along that double helix, number one, and number two, once they're formed, how do they know whether to be turned on or turned off?
You're suggesting that if the mind is properly oriented, that the mind actually Will begin to use portions of the DNA code that the rest of us are not using, achieving what seems to be this miracle.
This was the belief before art, and this is what's different.
It goes beyond the mind.
The mind by itself can't do it.
It must be tempered with the power that we have inherent in our bodies that we call emotion.
Emotion is the waveform.
Emotion provides the template that determines whether those genetic triggers are turned off or on.
So the people that are doing this, the difference between the prostitutes in Africa and the people somewhere else who are turning this on, it's how they perceive, how they view their belief systems, how they view life.
And we now know that thought, feeling, and emotion, and maybe you've had researchers on your program who have also spoken of this, for every emotion in our bodies, we have a chemical equivalent.
We change pH in our brain.
We change ion potential across the cell walls.
That's a technology.
Because as we choose very specific kinds of thoughts and emotions, we're choosing the chemistry of our bodies.
That is where we tie back into the ancient traditions.
Because I believe in the only word they knew 1,500, 2,000, 2,500 years ago, or even older, they left us the codes, literally the equations of logic and emotion that would allow us to enable these genetic links in our bodies and successfully carry us through this time in human history, this pivotal point in human history.
There was, let me give another example of how this works.
1995, there was a study that came out.
It was published in the tech journals, and you had to really dig to find it.
And I still haven't seen it in front page news, and I'm really surprised about this.
It was now that we have genetic testing developed to such a sophisticated science, there was a group of researchers, they took human bone marrow, they compared it genetically to the bone marrow of Neanderthal, Australiopithecus, and Cro-Magnon to find out, to them, in their mind anyway, once and for all, how tied we really are.
Did we really descend from these earlier creatures?
If we define ourselves genetically the way we have since we discovered the genetic code in 1953, so if we say a human, just looking at blood, if we say a human looks like these kinds of amino acids, this kind of DNA, and you took the blood from one of these people who's undergone these changes, they don't look like that anymore.
It is literally, and scientists are calling this, it's a new species of human.
Well, I can say to some degree, certainly, what I can say is in people who, in the global blood study, for example, the ones, individuals that showed this 3,000 times resistance to the HIV virus, what they noted,
the common link between all of them, is they had genes that were called B27, B57, B18, B51, A32, and A25 turned on that are normally not enabled in regular, you know, then the control samples.
This is a really good example of what this kind of information means.
When we first began finding about the ozone breakdown in Antarctica, where it was first noted, We were told that that high-frequency ultraviolet light was a bad light.
It was harmful.
NASA sent a team down in 95, and this was documented actually in the Lay Magazines.
Time magazine did a huge write-up on this.
In 95, they went down to document the die-off of single-celled organisms at the base of the food chain because they believed it would have implications all the way up the food chain into the fishing industries and things like that.
What they discovered amazed the researchers to the point where they actually released the studies a month early because they were asking other people to look into this.
They found that the single-celled organisms did not die off at all.
On the contrary, they thrived in this high-frequency ultraviolet light, number one.
Number two, they found that these frequencies that are coming to Earth through the ozone breakdown Antarctica are the same frequencies that we generate artificially in the laboratories to cure AIDS and cancers, which I think is just amazing.
I know that they have done testing with running people's blood through ultraviolet irradiation and different things, but I'm not aware that they have declared any great success rate.
The point is, what was really interesting, and there are some people that don't do well in these lights, and there are certainly some animals that don't do well.
And this is one of those instances where I don't think there's an absolute.
It's how the organism responds to the light.
Some people respond very well, some don't.
In light of the new research, their belief systems about that light play a key role in how well they either embrace or their bodies reject that light.
Ah, so you're suggesting that if a person, for example, believes that ultraviolet radiation or even increased amounts of ultraviolet radiation will boost their immune system, will possibly help them escape an otherwise fatal disease of some sort, that those genetic changes that you're talking about will occur in that unused genetic material, and by God, it'll happen.
Again, 1,700 years ago, these traditions that we knew before this time reminded us of our relationship with our world and with one another, and they left us the keys, the codes, to embrace the elements of nature.
He's indeed a very exciting guest, and there are going to be many comments.
And you're about to get to make them because we're going to open the phone lines.
Just one very quick thing.
Greg?
Yes.
I may have asked you the last time you were on the program, because I think the same thing came up, have you yet had the opportunity to find a book called The Miracle Strain by Michael Cordy?
And you know, what's so exciting about this for me is there have been many books and certainly workshops and lectures where people say, you know, through channeled material or one way or another that human DNA is changing.
We've all heard that.
For me, this is the first time, beginning in 1995, I've ever actually seen this evidence documented.
And now as researchers are viewing the possibilities of a variable genetic code, it's like wildfire.
The research that is going on now, for example, why is it that humans don't produce vitamin C in their bodies?
And 99% of other mammals, humans, apes, bats and guinea pigs are the only mammals that do not produce vitamin C because we're lacking an enzyme in our liver to convert the mineral ascorbates into the sea.
Everything is there.
It's just not turned on.
Now, in the open literature, women are documented, and these are pregnant women, that are producing small amounts of vitamin C. They're not multi-gram doses.
The point is if it can be done once, then that means that maybe we all can do it.
And that's what the researchers are seeing.
When a young child transmutes HIV, if he's done it, maybe everyone can do it.
Or if 1% of the human population are turning these codes on, maybe we all can do it.
Someone has to do it once.
And to me, that's very exciting.
within the context of this time in history I see something very powerful happening in our lives And now, back to the best of Art Bell.
Okay, well, Thomas, what I believe we're seeing, our history in the last 1,700 years, I'm going to keep going back to this.
1,700 years ago, we began to separate our spiritual outlook of life from everything else in life.
And prior to that time, we did not.
What I believe we're seeing now is a breakdown of the boundaries between what we consider to be spiritual and non-spiritual.
The answer is yes.
Science is being forced to define now actually what consciousness is because it's consciousness within the cell that's allowing these changes to come about.
So in a nutshell, that's what I believe is happening.
We can certainly expand on that.
But I certainly see that happening.
When we go back into the ancient texts, the Egyptian traditions, the Mayan traditions, Native American, or the ancient Essenes, it's their spiritual understanding of honoring life within our bodies and honoring our relationship with the earth that brings about these changes.
I believe that's where we're all moving right now.
There's actually an article in San Jose Mercury News of a 12-year-old boy, and this is the researcher's own words, that reprogrammed his own DNA to change his broken DNA that was giving him a rare blood disorder they didn't know what to do with.
He changed that, and they said he reprogrammed it on the fly from within.
It's like an operating system on a computer repairing its own application programs.
I believe the answer is yes, and this is why when I heard Dateline Wednesday night, and they were talking about all of these chemical and biological possibilities and how we could never inoculate ourselves against each one of them individually.
And what I believe, I don't think this is an excuse, and I'm certainly not justifying what's happening, I believe we have the capability within us to turn these codes on and render that kind of warfare, render it useless.
Because whatever is happening in our world out there, we have to reconcile it within our bodies, in here.
That's what the ancient traditions were so focused on, a code of conduct.
They called it compassion.
And it's interesting how compassion now is being viewed as a vibratory technology that allows us to program the chemicals in our bodies to give us life.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Greg Braden.
Good morning.
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Good morning, Art.
I wanted to tell Greg I did have spontaneous healing with an ovarian tumor.
But before I say that, I would like to concur with you about the reaction of that 20% of people if, for instance, the Hall of Records was opened up and all of this knowledge came forth.
My husband and I became involved 25 years ago with a Christian group because my husband's family has eight pastors in it, and we got into it.
And I want you to know that one of the first things they did when they came into our home, our pastor, he took books and burned them in our fireplace.
He took art sculptures, Eskimo, beautiful art sculptures that my husband had collected.
We had to throw them away because they were satanic.
And the point, I think, That you have not gotten across to Hoagland and the rest is that it is not so much the creation part of it, but it is the fact of Jesus coming to earth and being the only salvation.
You know, when that part of it comes in, and anything that you attempt to read, if you're seeking truth, which we were, that doesn't run in that vein, I mean, book burning, what a terrible thing.
And when I look back on it and think that we allowed them to do this, it scares me to death because my husband and I are voracious readers, and then we're listening to your program, so obviously, you know, you know where we are in our heads.
You know, Greg, I don't think that either Nancy nor myself are arguing with you with regard to your belief in an ancient civilization or, for that matter, a lot of the rest of the stuff that you've said.
What we're saying is that we believe that a good 20% or less or more, whatever you want to assign percentage-wise, of people would not be able to begin to accept it, would regard this as from the devil.
Absolutely.
there would be violence on a scale that you can't imagine at this time.
Yes, and I can tell you, Greg, it is not changing.
And we were not in a small little cult group.
This is a group that is nationwide, that has television.
You know, it's an outfront Christian group.
And it is frightening because they even went to the point of teaching the women how to fire guns just as protection for the day when the government tries to come in and tell us that we can't be Christians and put that mark on our head.
And Nancy, where I see that changing, and I have people from many beliefs and many walks of life that come to our programs, and they've said similar things to me.
And what I invite them to do is to hang on to those old belief systems because they've served them up to this point.
And at the point that those belief systems no longer serve them, they've got something to fall back on.
And here's what's happening.
Those people often are presented with something in their lives that their belief system doesn't account for.
And that's the pivotal point that will allow them to embrace something new.
That's your opportunity to love, support, and compassionately allow another belief system to unfold and go through its own evolutionary process because we all learn different ways at different rates.
That's the beauty of the way that we're living our lives now.
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But the clever thing that they do on Sundays is that they take the very things that you discuss and they attribute it to Satan's big deception.
And that for every wonderful miracle, Satan has a counterfeit.
You don't want to see it, though, Greg, because they will not allow you to open it.
I said to my brother-in-law, who's a pastor, not a year ago that I had just seen a wonderful program on the Dalai Lama, and his instant remark was, there's a man that's going straight to hell.
And I was horrified.
Now, how do you deal with that mindset?
Because they will not read any books about Tibetan Buddhists.
They won't read about Native Americans, they think, are all Satanists.
If it's ever going to happen, I think now is the time because of the context within which the whole thing is unfolding.
And I really believe it's how it's done, Art.
If it's done responsibly, non-threateningly, and I think there's a way to, if we can put people on the moon and send probes to the edge of the solar system, we sure can work together to come to new understandings of our history.
Let's just say that the news is that we are not by any means the first civilization to inhabit Earth, that there have been others, that they have been so far in advance technologically of ours, presently, that they went to Mars and came back.
George, perhaps the reason that it would be hard to embrace that is the very reason we're having this interview tonight.
And think about the context of this interview.
I'm offering the possibility that in our relatively recent history, we forgot a very powerful inner technology that empowers us beyond the fear of what we've always known in our lives.
So we've forgotten that.
Without that, here we are looking at rearranging our entire history and embracing the possibility of life from somewhere else.
We haven't remembered this internal technology that allows us to feel safe in that knowledge.
And that's why when I've had this conversation with John West or Graham Hancock or Robert Buvala, I said, you know, if we go marching into a chamber underneath the Sphinx and that information was based on a technology that we haven't even remembered yet in our lives, what is that chamber going to mean to us?
And I think that's what we're saying right now.
Until we can find wholeness in our memory of our history, maybe these other things don't make sense to us, and it's all coming to a fruition.
It's all coming to a head right now in one generation.
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Well, I have to admit, I'd love to find out what's in those chambers.
And would it make sense, again, the ancients and the indigenous traditions say that we're living a path, right?
I was going to get into this earlier.
We're living a path right now where we build machines outside of our bodies that mirror what we are inside of our bodies.
We build machines based on capacitance and resistance to remember that within our bodies.
And they call that the first path.
The second path is where we stop building the machines outside of our bodies because we don't need them anymore.
We don't need them to the same extent because we've developed that from within.
If we're talking about a face on Mars or a civilization under Antarctic ice or the chambers under the Sphinx, and they were developed following this second path, they'd already remembered that.
Would we even recognize it?
Would we even recognize that if we walked in there right now?
And that's what I believe this conversation is all about tonight.
Do you think it more likely, and I know what your answer is going to be, do you think it more likely that we will save our own butts by modifying our own genetic structure in the manner that you have described, or with the earth changes that are coming that we agree on,
or do you think it more likely that science will pull our butts out of the fire by learning, by finally mapping the entire human genome and vectoring viruses for genetic change?
I think what I see happening, Art, is that the separation between the two is narrowing and they're coming together to work together.
And if we continue a path of external technology, that's where the demise comes from.
If we continue to build machines outside of our bodies, we continue to engineer ourselves without really understanding and realizing the implications, that's where you run into that statistical.
Hold on, on the flip side of the news, we'll talk about it.
Stay right there.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
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From the Kingdom of Nine, across the country, around the world, and throughout the universe, this is Coast to Ghost AM with Art Bell on the CBC Radio Network.
Okay, but my question was, the spirit of my question was, we are now mapping the human genome.
Yes.
We will be done, they now estimate around 2002.
The step after that is manipulation of the human genome.
So my question was specifically, do you think that we will change ourselves with science and manipulation of the human genome, and that'll pull our fat out of the fire?
Or do you think it's more likely we will change our human genome through emotion and spiritualism in the manner that you have been known?
What science is determining is by them engineering it externally, they're figuring out what it takes to make those changes, and in doing that, they're making that connection with what we now call spirit and emotion.
So by going about it mechanically, they're figuring out the role that emotion and waveform play in our bodies.
I think we may beat them to it.
I think we may have to, just because of some of the challenges that are happening in our world right now and how rapidly the new amino acids are showing up every month, according to the cytokine bulletins.
So how rapidly those things are changing in our bodies.
What I believe is that several times in recorded human history, referenced beings have walked among us, demonstrating the code of conduct that we may exhibit in life to turn on all these codes in our bodies.
Carefully crefted and I believe that in our recent memory 2,000 years ago, that man was one of the most recent that showed us the great possibilities of what it truly means to be human.
I was recently gifted a subset of the 30,000 slides that were taken during a five-year research project that began in 1978 from Los Alamos National Labs, Sandia National Labs, multidisciplinary task force examining the shroud of Turin.
We all heard about the study that was done in 1988, 10 years later, that said the whole thing was a hoax.
We didn't hear much about the five-year study that was done with aerospace technology.
One of the things they discovered was that the blood on the shroud is actually blood.
The 88 study said that it was a pigment and ochre.
It is actually blood.
The blood is human blood.
Of course, we can't say exactly whose it was.
The blood has been typed.
They found hemoglobins.
They found biopigments.
They found blood proteins.
And I do not know whether or not that DNA, where that DNA analysis is right now, I would expect they would find amino acids in that blood that we're either just now seeing or have never seen before in our current blood studies because we're just now learning how to turn the codes on to produce that kind of DNA.
Well, I just laid out a vast array of possibilities, and I'll tell you, the images, over 30,000 were taken in a five-year Study, and I've got 65 of those with me now, and they are pretty awesome and open up a vast array of possibilities.
And what I'd like to say, Art, is I believe that this transcends, this isn't about religion, it transcends religion, science, miracles, and carries it all to a greater height of human possibility and what we have, this mystery that lives within us.
I think essentially what the fundamental baseline is where this is going is two.
One, if you raise the vibration of the body, you raise it above the vibrational pattern of the illnesses or the diseases, and they can't bother you incidentally.
What this all is about is empowering the human being to realize that he has the potential to do these kind of things.
I've got a question for you, or maybe just a comment, and then I've got another question.
But I've been able to, I'm a pilot, and I usually have a good time with the flight physicals.
I go in and they put you on a treadmill, and then you, once you get off the treadmill, they check your heart rate.
Well, I can take my heart rate, and I can think about it and cause it to drop, drastically drop.
And one time I did it, and they wanted to take me to the EKG, to give me an EKG because they thought this is impossible.
You can't do this.
And I find that by centering myself and concentrating when I was overseas and getting shot at, your heart's beating so fast that you can't hear anything.
So if you calm yourself down and slow your heart rate down, you can begin to hear again.
To calm yourself down, then, and you may be aware of this or maybe you're not, to do that, you're having a very specific quality of thought, feeling, and emotion, whatever that means to you, producing the chemistry in your body that allows what researchers call HRV, heart rate variability, and also the electrical impulses in the heart change.
And all that's done simply through merging the waveforms of thought, feeling, and emotion, and that's the technology, the inner technology that we're talking about.
1,700 years ago, and again, I'm tying back into that for listeners that weren't with us earlier, and these key elements were taken out of our traditions.
One of those elements was the understanding of the uniqueness of this time in history.
History points to now as being very unique, and everyone seems to know that Except us in the Western world.
The second one is the relationship between us and our world, that we have direct access to our world through a highly sophisticated vibratory technology that we call thought, feeling, and emotion based in prayer, which is very different than the prayer that's taught today.
Number three, the relationship between how we view ourselves and the forces of this world, if we see them as good or bad, light and dark, and we just barely touched on that a little earlier.
And number four is a very ancient science of thought, feeling, and emotion that we call compassion.
And it's interesting that compassion is receiving so much focus within these last months because it is a quality of thought, feeling, and emotion that triggers these codes in our bodies.
So we were talking, we had some callers earlier, Nancy that called earlier, for example, and said, what about people that don't want to accept this in their lives?
We can go back to these models of thought, feeling, and emotion, and if they're angry about these new ideas, then we all know what that anger is doing to their immune system, what it's doing to cellular functions.
It's been very well documented, and that's a choice they're making in their lives until it no longer works, and then they'll fall back on something else.
And we simply are asked to support our loved ones as they make those choices in life.
There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance.
That principle is contempt prior to investigation.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Greg Brayton.
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Hi.
You have so art.
It's so refreshing to hear a guest such as tonight who is so positive about the future and scared me from the dames of the world who can only spread fear.
And, you know, that emotion, that emotion does too, are.
And certainly it's been shown in the laboratory by many writers like Deepak Chopra who talks about emotions release a substance called neuropeptides throughout our body, and they can either strengthen or weaken our immune system.
The positive emotions like love, compassion, send positive neuropeptides to our immune system.
I'd just like to reiterate again, you know, there's so many researchers, and I work with them every week, who are, alright, they're looking at the same things that you and I are looking at.
They're seeing the changes in the earth, and they're believing the changes are simply happening to us.
And all we're laying out here is the possibility that maybe we've got something to say about how we respond to those changes.
They may be catapulting us into greater potentials of human expression.
And we're not minimizing the changes.
We're certainly witnessing and measuring them right now.
that the key is now we understand we have a choice as to how we respond uh...
at least in and uh...
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some of the studies and and This is an on-core presentation of Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nigh.
What do you consider the odds, Greg, that on our present course, with change occurring and earth change occurring at the rate it's occurring, that we will change in time?
It'll be kind of like when I was looking for Jeep Cherokees years ago, I went and looked at them a lot and I started seeing them everywhere.
Now that I've laid out these possibilities, I think you'll have guests on your show and you'll say, well, you know, Greg Brady just said something about that the other night.
Because now all of us, we have a new context.
And within that context, you'll hear information that some may support it, some may not.
And I think you'll hear more and more where you'll find room for this kind of thinking and these kinds of possibilities in the paradigm that you entertain in your life.
And we're all, I'll just emphasize this, we're all learning.
This is new for all of us, and we're always getting updated information.
Ancient traditions suggest that we have embarked upon a path they call the first path, where we forgot who we were, we forgot our relationship to our world, and we build external technology to remind us of that.
So we have a very complex structure in our society.
I believe that at least one of these technologies that predates us chose the second path that looked much less complex.
They didn't have to have all the external machinery that we do right now and allowed
Well, I believe in the most recent case, I believe what happened was that there was a factor no one accounted for, a cataclysmic factor that wasn't accounted for, and that we are witnessing the remnants of them when we see Egypt and when we see pre-Incan technology surpassing anything we've ever seen anywhere else, we're seeing those remnants.
One of the reasons I'm going to Tibet is because I believe they're living those traditions real time in some pretty out-of-the-way monasteries, and I'd like to witness that and then bring that back to the Western world through my work.
Rather than just talking about texts or temple walls, how are they living these traditions today?
The answer to the second question, I believe, is yes, and I see evidence of that happening now.
First question, I'm going to back up and make a general statement in the interest of time.
And what I'll say is that for every thought, feeling, and emotion, and again, there's a technology here, every thought, feeling, and emotion that we choose to have in our bodies, there's a chemical constituent to that.
So whether you're talking pituitary or thymus or hypothymus, whatever it is that we're talking about, what we're finding is that they're not randomly regulated.
It's kind of like we come into this world on autopilot until we figure out the quality of thought, feeling, and emotion, and then we take ourselves off of autopilot and we create those chemical reactions in our bodies.
That's the technology.
So in terms of someone who's in a coma without knowing more about what induced the coma and the condition of the person, I'm really reluctant to speak to that specifically.
You must admit that at best that's anecdotal, and that if it's possible for internal organs to be regrown or regenerated, it should be possible for external ones to be regenerated as well.
I believe it probably happens, and it's not well documented, and I have to say I've never seen it well documented in the New England Journal of Medicine or the AMA.
I've seen it myself with my own eyes, so I can speak from direct experience.
And I've also, in the open literature, well-documented cases of healing bone very quickly.
And Art, again, and I'll just invite the listeners to bear in mind, in these four hours, we're just barely touching the surface of information that has vast implications.
What I've actually witnessed, Art, is on a TV monitor in front of me, Japanese physicians using traditional Japanese healing techniques that we're talking about right now and watching in real time in less than three minutes a bladder cancer disappear.
And it's right there on the video.
I've seen it.
They are working with the woman who has the bladder cancer to help her through this, and they're doing it without the aid of any ultrasound or anything like that.
They're simply doing it through what today some people call hands-on.
It's a magnetic therapy, magnetism running through their bodies.
And like the one colleague said, I really like the kind of positive way you're looking at things and helping to educate us, both of you gentlemen.
Thank you.
Yeah, one thing that I was thinking of earlier, and you made the point that I was going to make, Greg, when you're talking about just the fact that people are becoming more aware, it's going to slowly chip away these paradigms.
And like you said, ART, the 20% of those letters you get.
Well, just the fact they're writing a letter means at a certain level they're aware, they're being exposed to it, so there's hope for change.
And the two questions I have are basically one for you, Greg, and that would be, we're talking a lot about kind of raising the spiritual awareness and the vibratory level, you know, through teachings and writings, perhaps some of them that we've lost.
What about the external possibility that we're going to a different area of space where the vibratory level of space itself is different and might change us?
What the ancient traditions say to us, Art, is that as we simply honor one another in life, honor our relationship to the world, to our earth, we've already addressed that spiritual aspect.
We've already shifted bodily frequencies and wherever Earth is taking us and whatever is happening is already accounted for simply by living life in the presence of one another and honoring one another in life.