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Feb. 19, 1998 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - The Life of Edgar Cayce
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["Love Is Good Love Can Be Strong"]
Good morning.
Coming up in a moment is Edgar E. Casey.
from the kingdom of night this is close to close to him
with our bill here's our once again here i am good morning coming up in a
moment is edgar he
casey of that's right the son of edgar casey
the sleeping prophet So much to talk with him about.
We will continue through the evening to monitor the anthrax story.
We're getting additional information and as we get it to you, we will get it on the air.
So if you monitor here, you're not going to lose out at all.
And now a very unusual story.
And now a very unusual story.
And now a very...
Unusual opportunity to interview Edgar E. Casey.
He is the son of Gertrude and Edgar Casey, who you may know as the Sleeping Prophet, was born in Selma, Alabama, February 9th, 1918.
Lives now in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
Graduated from Duke University in 1939 with a B.S.
in E.E.
Oh my!
Employed in 1940 by Virginia Power as an engineer.
Has military service.
Went to Officer Candidate School in the Signal Corps.
I can see we're going to have a lot in common.
Was a captain in the Air Force.
Post-war, returned to work with Virginia Power, which is now Dominion Resources, and retired in 1983 after 43 years of service.
He has two children.
He is a registered professional engineer in Virginia, a member of the First Presbyterian Church of Virginia Beach, and many more organizations.
His published works include Edgar Cayce on Atlantis, The Outer Limits of Edgar Cayce's Power, and The Mysteries of Atlantis Revisited.
Here is Edgar E. Casey.
Edgar, welcome to the program.
Thank you, Art.
It is such an honor to have you on.
Do you do many interviews?
I did one last week.
I don't know if I do so many.
I do now and then.
I barely know where to begin with you.
You know, radio's wonderful.
We have the luxury of time with radio and we don't have to do anything too quickly or nothing's really pre-planned.
So I think what I'd like to do is to ask you Everything you can remember about your father.
I don't know whether I broke him long enough for that or not.
Were the two of you close, Edgar?
The whole family was very close, Art.
Dad was a very ordinary person in everyday life.
He loved to work in the garden.
He liked to fish.
He liked to play games.
He was a very good carpenter.
He used to repair shelves and doors.
He built a garage at one house we lived in.
It was just those 30 to 40 minutes once or twice a day when he was able to put himself into a self-induced hypnotic trance of all intents and purposes, he'd go to sleep.
How did all that, how did it begin for him?
How did he, if you know, how did he even realize that he had this?
Well, this all began before about time, Art, so it's sort of hearsay, but I've heard Dad and the family talk about it.
Well, it's good close hearsay.
The best we're going to get, so tell us what they told you.
All right.
When he was a child, he had some rather strange experiences.
For example, he wasn't a very good student in school, and he was having trouble with his spelling lesson one night.
And his grandfather kind of got impatient with him and finally, uh, my father said, if you just let me, let me think about it.
Let me just study it a minute and I think I'll know everything.
And his father said, all right, very roughly.
And he went out of the room and about five minutes he came back.
Meanwhile, Edgar Cayce had laid down on his head on his spelling book and gone to sleep for five minutes.
When he woke up, he knew every word in the book and what page it was on, and from then on, instead of a poor student, he became a very bright student.
That was at what age?
Well, that was about, uh, when he was in school.
I guess that, uh, they had schools then, uh, up through about what would be equivalent to the seventh or eighth grade, the kind of one-room schoolhouse.
So, in other words, he actually slept on the book and absorbed it?
That's what it sounds like.
Uh, later on, in, uh, When he was a young man working in a bookstore, he lost his voice.
He couldn't talk at all.
Of course, he wasn't much of a salesman when he couldn't talk.
No.
And all the doctors in town, he'd been to everybody, and none of them seemed to be able to help him.
Sounds like Gordon Michael Scallion.
Anyway, uh, hypnotism was a sort of new fad then, and somebody suggested that, why don't you try a hypnotist?
That maybe he can give you a post-hypnotic suggestion.
such that you'll be able to talk when you wake up.
Well, Dad tried it, and there was a medical doctor, several people in attendance when they tried this
experiment, and under hypnosis he could talk a little bit,
but he wouldn't accept a post-hypnotic suggestion from the hypnotist,
and when he woke up or came out of his trance he still couldn't talk.
But the hypnotist suggested, he says, you're such a good subject, says,
maybe you can put yourself into a hypnotic trance.
Maybe you can give yourself the suggestion.
Maybe you'll take it from you instead of me.
When Dad was willing to try anything, he laid down and immediately he was able to go to sleep or put himself into a hypnotic trance.
He didn't remember anything he said at the time, but he described his condition and said it was due to Congestion in the throat, he says, we'll clear this up.
And he turned real red, his face got red, his throat got red.
He coughed up a little blood and woke up and he could talk.
As far as I know, that was the first reading, the one on himself.
And of course, the doctor, there was an M.D.
there, Dr. Ketchum, who said, well, Edgar, if you can do this for yourself, maybe you can do this for some of my patients.
Well, Dad was always willing to try to help anyone he could.
He tried giving readings for other people, and he was very successful.
Some very accurate readings, and that's how he developed, as I understand it, his ability.
About what year would all that have been?
Well, this was way before my time.
It was when he was about 20 years old.
It was back in the late 1800s in Kentucky.
The power of healing is one that I believe in very strongly, and that's a remarkable story.
He coughed up blood.
And he regained his power of speech.
In other words, he cured himself.
He cured himself, that's right.
That was the first so-called reading.
I think the word reading came from lack of a better word to describe what he did.
Well, what he did sounds like diagnosis and treatment.
Well, that's true.
That was his main focus of his reading were the physical readings.
He gave over 14,000 of these readings in his lifetime, and about 60% of them were Diagnosis of other individual's physical condition.
He didn't actually treat the condition himself, as he did for himself there.
He did diagnosis?
He did diagnosis.
14,000 of them, Edgar?
Over 14,000.
I think it's 14,470 something or something like that.
There are copies of these readings at the Association for Research and Enlightenment in Virginia Beach with the doctor's reports and the patient's reports.
Of course, the people who didn't follow him didn't get any results.
If people followed him halfway, they got halfway results.
And if they followed him in detail, they got excellent results.
By that you mean the diagnosis?
The diagnosis, right.
And then your father would recommend to them a course of action?
That's right.
He would suggest a course of treatment.
It varied.
That was the thing.
He didn't stick to any one particular thing.
I mean, sometimes he would recommend an operation.
Sometimes he would recommend A diet, sometimes even osteopathic chiropractic treatments, which didn't sit well with the medical doctors.
But sometimes he would describe compounds or herbs that he would give the formula for to make it up.
In other words, you could probably sense deficiencies of one sort or another in somebody's dietary habits?
It sounded like it.
Yeah.
But did your father ever describe the precise way That he was able to discern this or that it came to him?
Or was it a mystery to him?
I think it was a mystery to him and to everybody else.
Of course he was asked questions about it and some of the answers sound as strange as the stuff.
He said that this was an ability that he had inherited in a previous lifetime that he had done before.
It sounded like an ability or talent that was developed.
Now, this idea of reincarnation was something that came up much later in the early 20s.
I had been born then, and it was while we were in Dayton, Ohio.
Someone suggested, wanted, I guess they call it an astrological reading, wanted to know what effect the stars had on a person's life.
Right.
well the thought that that would like to back on a by life is is previous
lifetime proceeded to describe this person's previous lifetimes in
the affected head on his present life
now and uh...
when he woke up and heard what he said he was as astounded as anyone else
because he didn't know anything about reincarnation of karma he did for us
that many people in the world we did it and that uh...
uh... he always said if you ever gave a reading that heard anyone he'd never
give another but he never did and some of the life reading seemed to uh...
vocational guidance reading seemed as helpful
as some of the physical reading did he give them Did he get any information on who he had been in a previous life?
I understand he did.
It was a long time ago, and there were several previous lifetimes.
I don't remember all the details of that now.
There's a recent book written about it, I think, that mentions some of his previous incarnations.
How old were you when you realized your dad was different?
Growing up in a family is a little different than being exposed to this all at once from the outside.
When I was real little, I thought everyone's father gave readings.
But, you know, I guess the first real vivid experience I had with it was a reading on myself.
I was about seven or eight years old.
We had just moved to Virginia Beach and I was standing in front of a fireplace in a pair of flannel pajamas and a spark popped out and set those flannel pajamas on fire and they burned up just real quickly and my mother was coming down the stairs with a shirt and grabbed me and wrapped the shirt around the What did you do for it?
without the fire but it burned my left leg very badly i was at a school about four or five months
and the doctor never looked at it i asked dad
to please give me a reading he did immediately and described what to do for it
and uh... what did you do for it well it was
number of things to uh...
there were fluids to wash it with i think it was onion teen at that time
was one of the uh... that preparation to uh...
put on it for a very severe burn and uh...
as it began to heal later it uh... the skin grew across so i couldn't straighten
out my leg and then he told me what to rub on it what to do to straighten
it out uh... it did straighten out i played football basketball
baseball in high school and college and uh...
it uh... doesn't bother me at all he even gave me something to remove the scar
and i rubbed it on for a while and then i Decided I couldn't see it and I didn't really care about it and I quit doing it.
So I still have a scar on the back of my leg about half as big as the original one from my ankle to my butt.
Okay, well you regarded this then as a normal thing.
But at some point in your life you had to realize Dad's a little bit different than everybody else.
Oh, there's no question about it.
I was one of the things that got me into writing the first book.
Had had a life reading also.
Now, not every life reading he gave described or mentioned Atlantis.
Of the 14,000 readings he gave, about 2,500 of them are the so-called vocational guidance readings or life readings.
About 700 of them, maybe almost a third, did mention past incarnations of people in Atlantis.
Well, Atlantis was just a myth.
It is to many people still.
There isn't any proof that it ever existed.
Of course, there's no proof that it never existed either.
So, uh, I thought I could go down there to the association.
We have copies of all these readings in the files at Virginia Beach.
At that time, they were on, uh, microfilm.
And, uh, they'd just been put on to preserve them.
When the dad gave a reading, a copy was given to the patient and a copy was kept on file.
I said, I could go down there and maybe look up all the life readings on Atlantis and find some proof that it either existed or didn't exist.
At that time, I didn't care which way.
I just wanted to know the answer.
Sure.
So I said, well, I could probably do this in a few weeks.
And that was a very naive idea.
About a year later, I had read every life reading on Atlantis that I could lay my hands on.
And the amazing thing about it was some of these readings given 20 years apart never No, they didn't contradict each other.
And it wasn't that he gave a reading on Atlantis and said it existed.
He gave a reading on a person and mentioned an incarnation in Atlantis and told that person's characteristics in life and described how it affected him now.
And by putting all those little pieces together, trying to arrange them in some kind of chronological order, that's what came out of that book.
Well, it turned out to be very successful.
It came out in 68.
It's still in print after 30 years.
And what is the name of it?
Edgar Cayce on Atlantis.
Now we've got an update.
The Mysteries of Atlantis revisited.
When he gave these readings, this was before radiocarbon dating, and many of the statements he made back in the 20s and 30s when many of them were given sounded ridiculous because the ideas of geology and archaeology were quite different Oh, yes.
And they are now.
And when he said that man had been in North America 10,000 years ago, or 20,000 years ago, and in South America even longer, that the poles had shifted in the past, all kinds of things like that sounded ridiculous.
But now with radiocarbon dates of 17,500 in Pennsylvania, 20,000 in California, 35,000 in South America,
it's turning out that man was in the places that Edgar Cayce said he was at the time he said he was.
So, it kind of stands to reason that if, you know, statements like that were true.
Well, he made the statement one time, Art, that the Nile River used to flow west into the Atlantic.
That was 60 years ago.
And, of course, there wasn't any way to prove whether the Nile River flowed into the Atlantic or not.
That's right.
That was millions of years ago.
In 1987, when they took the pictures from the space shuttle with the ground-penetrating radar over the Sahara, it showed that the old course of the Nile was west into the Atlantic, exactly where Casey said it was.
When you did all this research, and you researched these people who had been said to have prior lives in Atlantis, what kind of proof did you run into uh... or cooperation uh... of for example of people who may have known each other or references that could be checked from one person's reading to another person's reading that kind of thing did you have that was the thing the i'd call it the internal consistency of the reading the fact that uh... either one reading didn't contradict another uh... reading given twenty years later with just like a little different person with just as if it did
But did you find places where they corroborated each other?
Oh yes, about the times that he would first seldom did he mention dates unless somebody asked him, but he did mention two or three.
Now the myth of Atlantis, or the story of Atlantis, originated with Plato back in the 5th century B.C.
and he described it as He said that Solon, someone that had been in Egypt, and the
priest in Egypt had described to him this civilization that existed in the, they called it
beyond the Pillars of Hercules, which was the rock of Gibraltar and another mountain on the
other side of the Mediterranean, the entrance to the Mediterranean from the Atlantic. And he
said it was beyond the Pillars of Hercules, out in the South Atlantic, and it was a great
civilization and very advanced, and it had been destroyed in a volcanic catastrophe 9,000
years earlier.
Well, that put it in the class of a myth, because nobody believed that there had been any civilization that long ago, 9 to 10,000 B.C.
That's right.
And since Plato's story, there have been, oh, thousands of books and pamphlets written about it, some of them trying to amass evidence that Plato was right.
Some of them trying to prove he was wrong, and some of them trying to rationalize the story by moving it to a different location or changing the date.
The thing that convinced me about it was the fact that Dad said that people had incarnations there, and he was so accurate in his physical readings, and he was so accurate in many of his other life readings, describing the characteristics of persons and the kind of occupation that we're in, the problems they were having with their family.
The other readings have been accurate.
The things he said in the other readings about geological and archaeological events of the past... That kind of came later, didn't it?
It came later, right.
But he's been so accurate in that, maybe there's some truth in this Atlantis story.
Maybe there is.
I think that your father suggested there would be something called the Hall of Records found beneath the left paul of the states
is a great and then a reading right when your father uh...
what when your father went under he didn't really he was called the sleeping
profit but from what you've told me it sounds more like he was the self hypnotized uh...
profit who would go into a sort of a uh... hypnotic trance
Well, that's true.
And I don't really think of him as a prophet, Art.
I know he didn't really go to sleep and say that this is going to happen and that's going to happen.
He always said that the future's not fixed.
We can change it.
And we can change it.
I think it's a hopeful statement rather than something that's inevitable.
But he did mention these things that had happened in the past.
The scientific evidence turns up for a pole shift in the past, when scientific turns up for evidence for climatic changes in the past, at the times he said they were, and men being in the earth at the times he said they were, and the fact that man had been in the earth instead of a few hundred thousand years, millions of years.
Mr. Casey, we're going through all these things now.
We're at a break point, so hold on, relax, you've got a good ten minutes, we'll be right back to you.
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Good morning.
My guest is Edgar E. Casey, the son of Edgar Casey, who was called the Sleeping Prophet.
Edgar E. Casey himself is now beginning to get up in years.
And it is a very rare opportunity and certainly a great honor to have the chance to talk with him about his father and, in fact, about his own life.
We'll get back to him in a moment.
We're also monitoring, of course, the ongoing story that we spent the first hour and a half on with regard to anthrax.
And we had one whale of a scare in Las Vegas earlier today.
Is it over?
Don't know.
hope so once again here is edgar e casey the son of edgar casey
known as known as the sleeping profit
Mr. Casey, welcome back to the program.
Thank you.
Sir, I'm curious, how old were you when your father passed on?
Well, he passed away in 1947 in the World War II.
I was about 27.
27.
So by that time, You were fully aware of your father's abilities, differences, talents?
Oh yes, I used to listen to readings when I was growing up for other people and I knew what he did.
I guess nobody knew how he did it.
Edgar, when did he begin to get visions of earth changes?
At what point in all these readings did that begin to happen?
Actually, I think it came over a period of time.
He didn't really make a lot of prophecies, but he made statements in readings all the way from the early 20s on up until the time he died.
Some of these statements were years apart.
Some of them were fairly recent, in the 40s, 35s, and 40s.
Well, when he referred, for example, to poll shifts, was he referring to the fact That the polls had previously shifted, or did he know they would shift again, or both?
I think both.
I think mostly it was about past poll shifts, and that sounds like a wild idea when he first mentioned it.
Not so wild today.
Not now.
No, there's scientific evidence that the polls have shifted.
I've got to ask you to stay good and close to your phone, because our connection could be a lot better.
I'm sorry.
I'm trying to talk a little louder.
Oh, that's excellent.
Absolutely excellent.
What else, other than pole shifts, did your father see coming for our world?
Did he really look ahead at any point and give us any indication of what's coming?
Well, he always said, Art, that the future is not fixed, that people can change it.
He did mention one thing that we have some scientific corroboration of, and speaking about future earthquakes, I mentioned some particular areas in the United States.
You know, the largest earthquake in the United States was not in California, but in Missouri.
Missouri, right.
well he mentioned these particular areas and uh... some
thirty years twenty five thirty years after that reading was given
there was an organization american association of engineering society
made a study of the fault zone in the eastern united states
and they published uh... maps of uh...
these areas and uh...
fact we have a man out book mister is that that is revisited that the chapter
and they're dealing with their equates and we got permission to
public fees maps of the fault zone interesting thing about it
they were exactly the same areas that casey mentioned years ago
and that uh... unsettling thing about it is that these this uh...
organization concluded that the likelihood of a major earthquake in the
eastern united states in the next twenty five years this was published in nineteen
So that's pretty near certainty.
That's pretty near certainty.
They don't know where or which area is going to be affected, but these areas were exactly the same ones that Casey mentioned.
So I hope they're both wrong.
Did he ever describe to you when in trance, when in self-hypnosis, or rather how, he would visualize things?
Would he actually see them?
Would these things come to him as a simple knowledge or a voice?
Or in what manner was information imparted?
Did he ever talk about that?
My brother and I wrote a book about that, Art, The Outer Limits of Educated Power.
In fact, it dealt with the readings that were wrong.
Everybody talks about Casey's accuracy and how good he was, and he was accurate.
But we thought that we could find, there were some readings that seemed to be inaccurate.
And we found maybe 150 to 200 out of the 14,000.
Of course, that gives him still a pretty good percentage.
Oh, it sure does.
.99 or something like that.
But anyway, We thought that you could learn as much about psychic ability in general and education in particular by studying these ones that were wrong.
Where did he get his information?
And in what manner again?
I think there are probably at least four sources of psychic information.
I think what applied to education probably applies to any psychic.
He was just especially a good one.
One would be unconscious memory.
That is, everything you've ever thought or read or heard is somewhere in your mind, though you don't maybe remember it consciously all the time.
He could tap that source.
Another one would be telepathy.
That is, the communication of his mind with the mind of another individual, either living or dead.
And either in close proximity or on the other side of the world.
That's right.
Of course, you would only know in that case what that other person knew.
If you were trying to diagnose someone, I suppose unconsciously, subconsciously, that person, all the reactions in the body of the person he's diagnosing, if subconsciously that person knows what's wrong with him, maybe he doesn't consciously know, but all the reactions are there, and if you could communicate with his mind, subconscious mind, you could give a beautiful diagnosis of what his trouble was.
Mr. Casey, there are many who might suggest what your father did.
Is the, uh, ancient equivalent of what's now known as remote viewing?
Well, that's, uh, another source.
It would be that, uh, clairvoyance.
That is, seeing things at a distance.
Uh, not in every reading, but in some readings, he would, uh, say, well, there's a beautiful roost, this man has a beautiful roost in his yard.
Uh, or he's, uh, he's, uh, looking at a rose bush, or he's arguing with his wife.
That's very specific.
In every case, we never found him to be wrong in a case like that.
We always would try to call up the person, or write the person, and say, you know, do you have a red rooster, or where are you arguing with your wife, or what were you doing at the time?
And we never knew him to be wrong in a case like that.
Then might I suggest to you, then, that you mentioned when he was wrong, the few times, percentage-wise, that he was wrong, he said himself Not all that he saw would necessarily come true.
In other words, we are not bound in some horrible little dance of what the future is going to be, inevitably.
Right.
Let me give you an example of that.
That brings us to the fourth source.
There's two ways of looking at this source.
Some people think there's such a thing as the Akashic Record.
That is, that everything that happens in the world leaves a record in time and space.
Tap this source of information, you'd have great infinite knowledge.
Yes.
Another way of looking at it is to think of it that we live in a third-dimensional world.
For example, if you take a point and move it in a direction not contained within itself, you get a line.
That's one direction, one dimension.
It's infinitely long, but it has no width.
Yes, sir.
You move the line at right angles to itself, you get a plane, two-dimensional.
It has no thickness, but it's infinitely long and wide.
You move the plane at right angles to itself, you get a cube.
Three-dimensional world.
That's the kind we live in.
Right.
Suppose you could move that at right angles to itself, a direction not contained within itself.
We can't conceive of that.
You would then be moving in another realm or dimension.
Another realm.
Well, suppose we moved it in time, in space.
Suppose it existed yesterday, today, and tomorrow, and that we're only conscious of the present.
If Dad could somehow move into this other dimension.
Let me give you an example.
Suppose we have a plane, a two-dimensional plane.
It has no thickness, but it's infinitely long and wide.
And we have a two-dimensional bug crawling in this plane in a little sine wave pattern.
And he has a free will.
He has a memory.
He remembers where he was.
He knows where he is.
He knows nothing about the future.
You're sitting up here looking down on this plane.
You see where he's been, you see where he is, you see everything that could possibly happen to him in the future, and you see it all at once.
Now, he could never understand how you could see his past and present and future all at once, because he has no concept of this third dimension, height.
But, if he has a free will, you could look at him and say, well now, if you continue in the way you're going, at three o'clock tomorrow, you'll be right over there, and you'd be right.
But, since he has a free will, he could decide to go off in another direction, to change his sideways pattern and go somewhere else.
You could see everything that could happen to him, and what would be most probable, but you couldn't be sure what he was going to do.
Well, I sure hope your father was right.
Well, I hope so too.
This way, if the past and present and future all existed once, and their future exists as probabilities, and he could see what was likely to happen, But he couldn't be sure, because it depends on what people do.
And of course, it's a little more complicated with a million people than with one little bug, but you get the idea.
I do.
Also, it was said that your father, when he'd come out of trance, out of a particularly difficult viewing, and that this became worse as the years went on, it would drain him physically, make him weak.
What happened to Art?
Normally he would give one or two readings a day.
That is, it took a certain amount out of him.
It wasn't exactly like physical exercise, but I suppose it was a mental strain in a way.
And when he became popular, when the book There's a River came out, he became popular overnight.
People began to call him in the middle of the night.
Kind of like this conversation, but they would say, my wife is dying, my daughter's dying, you know, doctors can't help her.
Can't you do something for her?
Please give her a reading.
And he got hundreds of those requests.
He had to have the phone number, get an unlisted number.
They brought the mail there in trucks.
And he couldn't not help people.
He felt like it was something he had to do.
Instead of giving one or two readings a day, he started giving four, five, six, eight, ten.
I mean, it was too much of a strain.
In fact, he had a breakdown, and he had a reading on himself, and it just said that you're trying to do too much.
If you continue to do this, you'll kill you.
And he continued to do it.
It killed him.
He was, I'm sorry, how old was he at his death?
Sixty-seven, I believe.
Sixty-seven.
That's actually fairly long-lived for those times.
Right.
Not a bad age.
What is your current age, sir?
I had my 80th birthday last week.
You're 80 years old?
How about that?
Oh, congratulations.
Oh, that's really something.
Your father obviously passed on to you some good things and some strong genes.
Well, I hope so.
Did he pass on to you anything else?
Well, of course I had life readings.
I don't talk about my personal readings, but I think they were very accurate.
They've helped me.
Did he pass on to you any inherited ability?
I don't have any psychic ability.
The only thing I can remember, I had a dream once I was eating a giant marshmallow and when I woke up the pillow was gone.
I was kidding.
I really don't have any psychic abilities.
What has it been like?
You're now 80.
What has it been like, sir, living with what your father was all these years?
It surely has changed your life and shaped and affected your life completely.
Well, I think it does.
I mean, he suggested, for example, where I should go to school.
He even said, you know, you could get a scholarship to go to Duke and study engineering.
Now, I graduated from a little high school that had 28 people in its graduating class in Virginia, in Beach, and the chance of getting a scholarship from a small school looked like chances of a snowball in hell.
But I was valedictorian of the class, but I was still at the small school, and I put in for a scholarship, and I got it.
So, he was right about that.
And then you proceeded.
You know, I've enjoyed engineering.
You know, you don't get rich, but I think you have a satisfying life.
That is, in my case, if you're happy in what you're doing, happy in what kind of work you do, I think that's the important thing, not how much money you make.
Well, you were an engineer, so you were in the hard sciences.
That's right.
That's a long way from psychic research.
It sure is.
Was that difficult for you at times?
I am into electronics.
Yet I deal with this kind of material on the radio.
Well, you know, I had a kind of a dual ratio there.
I mean, I was living in a family with a man who was probably one of the most remarkable psychics in this country, and I've watched it every day.
I mean, I can just tell you an example of a reading from the kind of things that would happen to be kind of curious.
I used to listen to Adam without growing up, and he had a reading one time on a man that was supposed to be in his apartment in New York.
The mother gave him some suggestions and said, you will have before you the body of so-and-so at this address in New York.
All he had to know was the person's name and where he would be at the time of the reading.
Well, he lay there for a minute and he said, he's not here.
He said, he's coming across town on a bus.
He said, there's a lot of traffic, the bus is late.
He said, we'll wait.
He lay there for 15 minutes, didn't say a word.
All of a sudden, he said, he's come in.
And he proceeded to give the reading.
At that time, my brother got up, went in the other room, called the man on the telephone.
The man said, that's exactly right.
I knew I was supposed to be in my apartment.
I was on my way there.
There was a traffic accident or something.
The bus was late.
I just this minute walked in.
But there's a beautiful piece of clairvoyance that I don't see how anybody could have foreseen.
Did it ever scare you?
I don't know if it ever scared me.
It made you think a lot of times.
Really hard.
I wonder how a young man who's becoming an engineer I don't know if I considered it normal.
all of this and uh... where there are times early in the early years
uh... in your education when you would reject or could just simply couldn't
believe or did you always simply understand what your father did
was a normal things i don't know if i can put it in all our allies that
was pretty abnormal but uh...
i had created work in so many cases You know, I grew up with it, and he had people that were successful, you know, had readings that were so successful, people that had remarkable cures, they suggested vocations for people who succeeded in them after, you know, and said, take up this occupation or this, you would be good in this, or something like that.
And this, it happened, it happened to me, and it happened so many times that, you know, you had faith in it.
I thought that he knew that he was right.
He knew he was accurate.
Now, I don't know how.
That was one of the reasons we wrote this book, The Mysteries of Atlantis Revisited, that it showed the archaeological and geological discoveries that have happened in the recent past to show how accurate he was.
You are a very devout Christian, obviously.
Was your father?
Yes, he was.
He taught Sunday School in the Presbyterian Church, and my brother and I both did, too, as a matter of fact, here in Virginia Beach.
Were there conflicts between his religion and the fact that he was a prophet?
And we all know what it says of prophets in the Bible, that they've got to be completely accurate, or they're false prophets, and there must have been those accusations.
Well, a lot of people didn't know what Dad did here.
You know, when we first moved to the beach, it was a very small little fishing village.
It wasn't a resort.
It is today.
And most people thought he was a doctor.
They used to call him Dr. Casey.
And they really didn't know what he did.
And he was a very normal person in everyday life.
And most of the people, except someone who had a reading, well, they knew him in everyday life.
They knew what a good carpenter he was, what a good gardener he was, and knew what a nice person he was.
He devoted his life to helping people.
Mr. Casey, we're at the bottom of the hour.
We'll do just 30 more minutes, and I'd like to open the lines and let some of my audience ask you questions, if that would be all right.
Certainly.
There is a number that people can call.
Okay, hold on to that.
We'll get it on right after the bottom of the hour.
Edgar E. Casey is my guest.
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This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. Now again, here's Art.
Once again, here I am.
My guest is Edgar E. Cayce, the son of Edgar Cayce, known as the Sleeping Prophet.
Mr. Cayce is 80 years of age.
This is a very rare opportunity for you to ask a question.
If you have one, you know the phone numbers.
Here we are.
We'll get back to him in a moment.
Alright, one more thing.
Once again, Edgar E. Casey.
Mr. Casey, of your father, how much is currently today myth versus what really happened?
I guess a lot of books have been written about him, Art.
Probably the best one is There's a River by Tom Chigroux, who was my brother's roommate in college.
That's an account of how he started his work.
Tom, in fact I helped carry Tom upstairs when he had gone from 180 pounds down to about 90 and the doctors told him to go somewhere and die.
There wasn't anything they could do for him.
He was paralyzed from his neck down.
He couldn't move a finger and he followed the treatments and the readings dad gave and he wrote the book when he got well.
He didn't, he never got so he could walk without crutches but he did get Up to the point he could go back to his job with the American Magazine and the Herald Tribune newspaper.
So, would you say the majority of what we know, or what we can certainly read in that book, is accurate, not myth?
Well, I guess it depends on who you read, what you read.
The fact that he was a prophet, I think, is a little exaggerated.
I know he did say some things about the future, about the past, that have certainly It's been proven accurate.
Oh, one of the things he said was that there would be a hall of records found beneath the left paw of the Sphinx.
Now, I interviewed the Director of Antiquities, Zahi Awass, not long ago, and he answered in his normal, very boisterous Egyptian Accented voice, there has never been one grain of sand found here to show that there is anything that would relate to Atlantis.
And that's what he said.
But on the other hand, Mr. Casey, there are radar records, ground-penetrating radar now, showing that there are chambers beneath the Sphinx.
Records showing that there are certainly anomalies, whether they're chambers or not, hasn't been proven.
You know, getting permission to dig beneath the Sphinx is kind of like going to Washington and saying, I'd like to dig a hole under the Jefferson Memorial or the Lincoln Memorial or the Washington Monument.
Very much like that, yes.
You know, it's the national treasure.
You can't just go over there and dig where you want to.
Maybe they just haven't dug deep enough.
Uh, there are some interesting things.
I don't know whether Zahi Was mentioned this or not.
In fact, it upset a lot of the archaeologists.
But Professor Shock from, uh, he was a Yale trained geologist.
His specialty was rock weathering.
And he went over to Egypt and looked at the base of the Sphinx.
And he said that the weathering was definitely water weathering.
It was not wind and sand weathering.
That's correct.
And the person that would know, and he presented his findings at a geological convention in California.
As a matter of fact, there have been sea incrustations removed from the rear side of the Sphinx, sir.
Well, I know that the weathering there was, he says that it's water, and if it was, that means the Sphinx is much older than they thought.
In fact, Work that the ARE did and sponsored in carbon dating the pyramids.
Of course, you can't carbon date stone, but you can carbon date fiber or bugs or any kind of plant that's gotten in the mortar.
And the interesting thing about it was they wouldn't let us take any samples from inside the Great Pyramid, but they did let us take stuff from the outside.
Well, it turned out that the pyramid was several hundred years older than They thought, which means that the pharaoh they thought built it didn't, or else he lived a lot earlier than they think.
And that really upset the Egyptologists.
In fact, the blocks at the top turned out to be three or four hundred years older than the ones at the bottom.
Now, you know it wasn't built from the top down, so that would indicate that the probably were repairs made to it.
And if that was true, then it must be much older than they think it is.
Boy, would I like to have you in the same room with Zaya Wass.
All right, let's go to the phones and say, first time caller line, you're on the air with Edgar Casey.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Hello.
My name is Martha.
Where are you, Martha?
In Kentucky.
I'm really glad to talk to you, Mr. Bell, because I listen to your show all the time, and it's really great.
Thank you.
In fact, I've sent you a few Do you have a question for Mr. Casey?
Yes, I would like to talk to Mr. Casey.
I got to know the A.R.E.
when my sister had psoriasis really bad and nobody could fix it.
Of course, every doctor has ten different reasons why you would have psoriasis.
I'm a registered nurse, so I went to the A.R.E.
to get help for her.
In fact, she was healed.
And Edgar Cayce had these things that he said you should do for forced rises and it got better.
So then a lot of, Mr. Cayce, a lot of the things that your father said as he took readings Then later applied to other people in some way?
Yes, other people.
That psoriasis, Martha, that psoriasis is a good example.
In fact, there's a doctor up in Pennsylvania, I believe, that has treated a number of people by putting together a lot of the readings that Edgar Cayce gave on people with psoriasis and making up a sort of regimen of treatment.
And he's had great success in, as you say, curing people who have psoriasis.
There was a... You told us there was a phone number that you had, that people could call.
There is an 800 number.
If anybody is interested in knowing more about the readings, the Association for Research and Enlightenment in Virginia Beach does have a record of them.
The number is 1-800-333-4499.
And they can either call that number, they can write to the Association or the Edgar Cayce Foundation.
67th and Atlantic Avenue, Virginia Beach, 23451.
Will the Casey Foundation continue?
I'd like to think so.
There is an organization that probably has 25, 30,000 members in the United States and many members overseas and other countries.
And the purpose is to preserve the records that Edgar Casey gave and make them available for study.
And one thing that As you pointed out, as Marth pointed out, one thing that can be done is people can come there and look at it and see if there are any suggested treatments for ailments similar to what they have that might be useful in their case.
Of course, most of these readings were for individuals.
What might apply to one person might not apply to another.
Did your father tackle Diseases that were in fatal, final stages, cancers, heart problems, that sort of thing.
Sometimes he would say, you know, that there's nothing that can be done for this person.
Oh, he would.
He would.
He would say, he would virtually tell people they were going to die.
Yes, and that just, you know, you could suggest ways to make them comfortable, but he said, you know, there's nothing, it's too late.
Did your father ever Tell you, Mr. Casey, where he thought his power came from.
I don't think he knew.
He had life readings on himself that said it was developed in a former life, or in former lives.
I think the sources that we talked about a few minutes ago, I think they apply, and I think he probably used a number of them.
The rest of that chapter had, on the nature of psychic perception in the book, had some reasons for why Sometimes they work better on others.
The fact that the attitudes and the purposes and the reason for the reading seem to affect it.
I know for a fact if Edgar Cayce was physically ill, or if he had a bad cold, or if he had a stomachache, if he had the flu, or if he was emotionally upset about something, that he didn't get as good a reading as he would when he was perfectly healthy.
So certainly his physical health did affect the accuracy of some of the readings.
I think the There's such a thing, I guess you could call it psychic static, that, you know, sometimes you don't always get perfect radio or perfect television reception due to a thunderstorm or a leaking ignition on a car or a transmission line or something that bothers the reception.
I think there's maybe a psychic static like that.
In other words, the purposes of the reading.
Dad wanted to help people.
If you had a woman with a child who wanted to get well, was sick, The woman wants the child to get well, the child wants to get well, Eddie Casey wants to help the child get well.
Usually there's a sort of empathy between them that is conducive to a very good reading.
Sometimes if somebody comes up and says, well I'm looking for an oil well or a gold mine and I'll give you a little bit of it if we find it.
What's that purpose?
It's a selfish purpose.
They're not trying to help themselves.
You know, I was just about to ask you about that.
Whether he had been approached in that manner, and whether he, in fact, even used what he had to, at times, enrich himself.
I don't think he tried to enrich himself.
He didn't.
In fact, in the story, again, it happened before my time, but in Kentucky, He would be asked questions in some of the physical readings.
Somebody at the end of the reading would say, well, now, who's going to win this horse race?
What's going to happen to the stock market?
And he would answer much to the person's profit.
But when he woke up, he wouldn't feel well.
He would have headaches.
He would feel nauseous.
He just realized that something was wrong, and he couldn't figure out what it was.
And when he found out what was happening, He got very mad.
He backed up and moved his family from Hopkinsville to Selma, Alabama, where I was born, and just opened a photographic studio, quit giving readings.
So really over that exact issue?
Exact issue.
And when my brother was burned with some flashlight powder, he began giving readings again.
He gave a reading on him, and it was remarkable.
The doctor said he was going to lose his sight, and they wanted to take out one eye to save the other.
Uh, they didn't have to and, uh, it was one of the first uses of tannic acid for burns.
And, uh, he then got well and, uh, dad started giving readings again.
But from then on, uh, mother, my mother was the one who conducted the readings that gave him the suggestion for him.
It was someone he could trust that, uh, you know, wouldn't stick in these questions about, uh, gold mines or oil wells or whatever.
And, uh, he, uh, was able to, uh, continue successfully from then on.
Mr. Casey, is there anybody in today's world, in the modern world, that you would consider to be the equivalent of your father?
Hugh Lynn went all over the world studying psychics and meeting them.
He never found one that was as accurate as Casey was over his longer period.
There are many people in this country and all over the world that have varying degrees of psychic ability, but I don't know anyone who has the track record of Eddie Casey.
A thousand readings over a period of 20 or 30 years, and we have the records of them there.
I mean, people can come down there.
The library is open.
It's free.
You can come and look at the readings and look at the reports and see what he said, and we're not trying to hide anything.
In fact, we're trying to make it available for use.
But, Mr. Kingsley, still today, then, your father's power, where it came from, why he had it, we know how he used it, but all the rest we don't know any more today than we did the day he did the first reading.
That's probably true.
All right.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Edgar Cayce.
Good morning.
Good morning, Art.
And, Mr. Cayce, it's truly a great honor.
I have a deep amount of respect for your father.
I've read pretty much everything I can find on the man.
I would suggest that everybody visit your organization's website.
Where are you, by the way, sir?
East Coast, near Washington.
Washington, D.C., all right.
By the way, Mr. Cayce, there is a website, is that correct?
I believe he is.
I don't have the email address of it now.
Okay, well I think my caller does.
Caller?
It's www.are-casey.com.
When I say dash, it's a hyphen.
So it's A-R-E hyphen K-C dot com.
Got it.
Do you have a question?
It really is terrific.
I've spent a great deal of time in there researching.
Alright, we'll have a link up in minutes.
Quick questions real quick?
Yes.
Let me just throw them out real quick.
A, is it possible that Atlantis itself is buried beneath the sand at Giza, hence the pyramids, the sphinx and so on are actually the remnants above what may be the city beneath?
I don't think so.
He didn't say that.
He said that Atlantic was located in the South Atlantic.
That there were records of Atlantics buried in Egypt.
In fact, he said there were some buried in three places in the world.
Some in South America, Yucatan, Egypt, and some under the ocean.
With regards to his Ratta previous life, which some people have interpreted as having been, that Casey himself in the previous life placed the records in the Hall of Records.
Was there anything further on that?
Interestingly, also, his suggestion that the Earth changes would culminate in 1998 has always struck me as suggesting, perhaps, that they would, in effect, kick in and culminate with the major release of that energy in 1998, which, of course, is today.
He did mention 1998 as an important year, but again, he said the future's not fixed.
You know, we can change it.
I don't really know what's going to happen.
Anything on alien civilizations?
There's been some suggestion, I find, on Mars, which have some relationship to Giza, that other previous civilizations, perhaps the Sumerians, were descended from the Annunaki.
A race from another planet.
Was there ever anything as far as reincarnation from another species, or any information about that at all?
As far as I know, there are no references in the readings to aliens coming to Earth, or in the, you know, in other civilizations.
Dad did say there was life in the universe, in myriad forms.
Of course, there's lots of stars out there, lots of galaxies, and there's bound to be life of other kinds somewhere else.
He didn't mention any of them coming to Earth as far as I know.
Well, thank you very much, sir.
Once again, it's a great honor.
All right.
Thank you very much.
And east of the Rockies, you're on the air with Edgar E. Casey.
Good morning.
Where are you, please?
Good morning.
Yeah, I'm east of the Rockies in Art.
My name is Elliot.
All right.
Good morning, Mr. Casey.
Good morning, Mr. Bell.
I believe by telling you where I was from last time was the reason my call was disconnected.
But we'll talk about that some other night.
I don't disconnect people for geologic locations, anyway.
I'm not saying that you did.
I'm saying that something else did.
MIBs, alright.
Do you have a question?
Yes, I do.
I've heard from friends of mine who have a high level position in the government that there will be a pole shift taking place.
And it will be happening, and I was given a rough estimate around the year 2005.
All right.
There are many who believe that, Mr. Casey.
Did your father project or tell anybody when he thought the next poll shift might occur?
I don't remember any specific examples of that.
He did say there might be changes in 1998 on up through 2000.
He didn't say exactly what kind.
I think there may be.
I mean, I don't know.
Yeah, again, we can change that, even physical changes.
Mr. Casey, as you look around today's world and listen to today's news with anthrax and wars and social disruption and so much that has changed in our society, would you think your father to be pretty much on track with regard to predicted changes beginning in 1998?
I mean, is that the way the world looks to you?
Well, you know, the media plays up a lot of the exciting things and the bad things.
There's a lot of good folks out there and a lot of good things happening, other than anthrax and people trying to destroy the world.
But we have, I know we have, I think, done a lot of things that we could do better.
And hopefully people will change their attitude about things in the future and not Not get us into these situations that might lead to our own destruction.
You're a hopeful man.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Edgar Cayce and not a lot of time.
Hello.
Yes.
This is Steve from San Diego.
Yes, sir.
I'd like to talk to you, Mr. Cayce.
Quick preface, your father's legacy followed me around for about five years as a teenager before I finally got around to reading the biography.
Wanted to know, in the biography there, there are two paranormal experiences or powers that were mentioned for your father as a child.
One was that he could put books for his schoolwork under his pillow and read them at night while he was asleep.
And the other was that he had the sprite or pixie type of play friends.
All right.
Mr. Casey?
Well, this was before my time, and these are stories I've heard that he could see people when he was a child that other people couldn't see.
He had playmates that other people couldn't see.
But he did have that experience of being able to memorize by sleeping on a book, just memorizing the content.
And he did turn from a poor student into a very good student with that ability.
Mr. Casey, again, this was before I was born, so I can't testify.
I understand that a lot of stories have been told about that, and I've heard Dad tell it.
Mr. Casey, do you have children?
Yes.
Do they have any abilities?
As far as I know, they do not.
They have some good abilities, but they're not psychic.
I understand.
Both of them, my son graduated from Duke as an electrical engineer, my daughter graduated from Ohio State as in psychology, a major in B.S.
in psychology.
Boy, what a pleasure it has been to have you on the program.
I know it's getting mighty late back there.
Well, I guess, boy, it's getting mighty early.
It's about five minutes to four here.
All right, Mr. Casey, I'm going to say thank you, and I hope one day I'll have an opportunity to interview you again.
You're a class act.
Thank you, sir.
Well, thank you, Art, and I hope you got a copy of our book.
I did.
I surely did.
Well, I hope you get the chance to read it sometime and enjoy it.
I've enjoyed being on your program.
Thank you for having me.
Good night, Mr. Casey.
Good night.
That's Edgar E. Casey from the high desert.
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