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Welcome to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Tonight, featuring Coast to Coast AM, from February 5th, 1998.
From the high desert and the great American southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, as occasionally be across this great land, and welcome to another edition of the very best in live overnight talk radio, stretching from the Hawaiian and Tahitian Islands in the west, eastward to the Caribbean, across this great land of ours, south into South America, north all the way to the pole, This, of course, is Coast to Coast AM and I'm Art Bell.
And we have a busy, busy, busy morning.
This morning I'm going to give you severe whiplash before this morning is over.
From last night's program.
Yes, indeed.
So I'm not going to give it away.
What I am going to tell you is that you immediately should be going to my website.
Because there are photographs up there that are going to go along with what Peter Davenport is about to say regarding whales and dolphins and what's going on.
I've got some news on that front.
First, though, I want to recommend a movie.
And I don't recommend movies very frequently, but boy, do I have one for you.
Look it up in your guide.
It is called The Trigger Effect.
The Trigger Effect.
And it documents, I think, better than any show you'll ever see, exactly what would occur and how civilization would come apart if something as simple as a regional or total power failure would occur for a serious amount of time.
I mean, you have never in your life seen anything like it.
It just documents exactly the way society would come apart.
Now, the trigger effect can be seen on Stars 2.
Anybody have Stars 2?
Today, later today, actually tomorrow, depending on your time zone.
Or on HBO on the 20th.
You can catch it on HBO on the 20th.
Anyway, check your guides and find a movie called The Trigger Effect.
You've got to see it.
And now, I'll get into some of the material that I've got sort of leading into Peter Davenport's report on the whales.
I mean, you've got to see the photographs he's got up on our website to go with the story that he's about to tell about these whales and the U.S.
military.
It's really a strange story.
Let me read to you from the New York Times very quickly an article entitled, If Climate Changes, It May Change Quickly.
In the debate over global warming, there's been a widespread assumption that if humans are changing the Earth's climate, the effects will be felt gradually and smoothly, making it easier to adapt to the change, but A growing accumulation of geologic evidence now makes it ever clearer that in the past the climate has undergone dramatic change in temperature and rainfall patterns in the space of a human lifetime a decade or even less time.
Unbelievable, huh?
Our scientists do not know for sure, but the question is giving them serious pause The climate system is an angry beast, and we are now poking it with sticks, according to Dr. Wallace S. Brucker of Columbia University's Lamont-Dowry Earth Observatory, who was one of the first to raise the alarm about climate change.
He said, quote, We don't know whether it's going to pay attention to the pokes, but if it does, It might rise up and do something we don't like.
In uncovering one of the latest pieces of evidence of abrupt climate change, American scientists led by Dr. Jeffrey Severhouse of the University of Rhode Island examined climatic clues taken from the corings of ancient ice in, guess where?
Greenland.
Now, I have no idea whether it is related to the climate change, or related to something we are doing, or others are doing, or just bad water, or magnetic lines.
I have no idea, but this morning I bring you yet another sad story.
60, I repeat, 60 sperm whales are dead after just beaching themselves in Tasmania, committing suicide.
In Tasmania, sperm whales are big.
Pilot whales, maybe.
But when sperm whales beach themselves, you have something absolutely gigantic.
They had sperm whales as large as 30 tons beaching themselves in Tasmania, virtually committing a suicide.
What the hell's going on, is the question.
And here from the UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington, somebody whose door we've been knocking on frequently lately, is Peter Davenport, who just might have a clue as to what's going on.
Peter?
Good evening, Art.
Welcome to the program.
Thank you very much again.
So there you have the late news.
60 whales in Tasmania, up on the beach, dead.
Yeah, that's very interesting.
And I'm delighted to have an opportunity to be addressing this subject.
Probably most of our listeners don't know me well enough to realize that I'm as much a biologist as I am a ufologist currently.
The beaching situation, the beaching phenomenon, is very, very interesting to me.
It has been for the last quarter century, ever since I took an extensive course in biological oceanography down in Pacific Grove at a Marine biology facility there.
The beaching phenomenon, in my opinion, and I think in the opinion of many people who are studying it full-time, is probably as totally unexplained as it was 3,000 years ago when the Greeks wrote about it extensively.
We really don't know what's going on there, but it is very interesting.
And when I stumbled upon that photograph some six years ago, That is, apparently, on your website tonight.
I haven't seen it yet.
Okay, what is the photograph?
Very interesting photograph that has mystified me for six years, Art.
I have ruminated and mused on that thing for six years.
It's the only evidence, I believe I have, that brings the U.S.
government, more specifically the U.S.
military, together with cetaceans.
But there are other more subtle things in that photograph, I believe, that may be taking place.
And I throw it out to you and to our listeners to see if somebody can explain to me some of the mysteries that, to my eye anyway, appear in that photograph.
It is a very, very interesting thing.
Although, on the face of it, it's very simple.
You've seen it.
All it is is a short-finned pilot whale.
Being dumped out of a U.S.
Air Force UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter.
A whale being dumped out of a helicopter.
A Black Hawk.
Somewhere over water.
And according to the brief captions, which are under the two photographs, they appeared in Seattle newspapers on the 29th of April, 1992.
I opened the paper that morning.
I am a voracious consumer of newspapers.
Love to read them.
I opened the newspaper and saw that photograph.
And in about 15 seconds time after perusing it and reading the caption, my attention was riveted to that photograph.
It was telling me things that seemed significant at the time and they seem even more significant now.
I have not been able to explain away to my own satisfaction some of the elements of that photograph that have the military interfacing with a short fin pilot whale.
Now let me give a little background to those readers who may not have access to the photograph.
Listeners, Peter.
Excuse me, listeners.
The caption points out that the whale being dumped out of the helicopter is one of about a dozen or perhaps more, maybe 15 or 16 short fin pilot whales.
These are organisms that weigh about two or three thousand pounds.
They're pretty sizable.
That were found sometime in March of 1991 beached On a remote beach somewhere near Key West down in Florida.
So they were in the process of committing suicide?
Apparently.
Or whatever they do when they swim up on a beach.
The mysterious thing about this beach, and there are two mysterious things about that one, however.
First, they were rescued.
Now, exactly how or why they were rescued is still not clear to me although there may be may very well be somebody out there who knows the full story and who can set me straight as to the explanation of the incident.
Normally when they rescue a whale they attach a rope to it and they pull it back out into the water, right?
That can be done sometimes on beaches where whales are want to beach themselves and that happens quite frequently particularly down Tasmania and New Zealand.
There are beaches where the whales come every year and beach themselves.
It's not known why.
It's part of the mystery art.
Sometimes they have boards with canvas slings and they can roll the whale over on the canvas and then they get a group of people to lift it up and carry it back out into the surf.
Now at that point the mystery gets even deeper because very frequently, and I don't know at what frequency, but very frequently the animals that are returned to the surf and allowed to cool down and apparently recover from their normal exhaustion swim right back up to the beach and try to kill themselves.
And that is part of the mystery.
Nobody knows, so far as I am aware, nobody knows why they do that.
All right, well, instead of pulling it back out into the ocean, why would our military scoop a bunch of 15, 16, whatever it was, whales up, why would they scoop them up and take them away, and for how long, and to do what?
Yes, that is what I'm trying to figure out, and as the very brief captions point out, and there were no articles that accompanied these photographs, somebody had a budget that allowed them to lift all of those
creatures, and I presume airlift those creatures to some 200 air miles from that beach near Key West over to
Miami, where they were housed in some kind of marine environment,
or tank, let's say, medicated and fed and rehabilitated for some 13 months
before they were released 150 miles off the east coast of Florida.
What do you figure such an operation would cost?
Well, I have penned it out.
And this is why the whole thing is a bit mysterious.
It's got to be a million dollar operation.
Those whales consume, I'm told, between 20 and 50 kilograms of fish every day in captivity.
And that fish runs, let's say in rough round figures, between $1 and $2 per pound.
So we're talking hundreds of dollars per day of board for these organisms, these whales, and there are about 12 to 16 of them.
Now, it is unexplained, at this point, who picked up the tab for those whales, but even at this early point in their rehabilitation, it looks like a government job.
I know of very few organizations, let's say Aquaria, that have that kind of budget to commit to the resurrection of whales, only to release them 13 months ago.
Our government is not like that.
They're not the whale saving business.
That is the other mystery.
Who would do this?
And in view of the fact that the whales were dropped out of military helicopters, and moreover, Dropped into the ocean, 150 air miles east of Miami.
You know, Blackhawks are not geometros.
They cost money to operate.
That's right.
And I've been told that a Blackhawk helicopter, a UH-60 Blackhawk, costs somewhere between $2,000 and $6,000, maybe even $8,000 per flight hour, depending on the conditions in which it flies.
Holy moly.
I have talked to the aquarium.
I've talked to the veterinarian that treated those animals.
This was about four or five years ago.
And I identified myself as a graduate of the College of Fisheries in the University of Washington, which was true.
I did not tell him I was a ufologist and I was pursuing that angle.
And he was very helpful until I asked why the military was involved in the delivery of those whales back out to sea.
And then what?
Figuratively speaking, he suddenly heard his mother calling him to dinner and he had to go immediately.
He did not want to talk about that issue, Art.
Now, I explored it further and was told that those Blackhawks were enlisted as a training function to teach the crews how to deliver packages, if you will, out to sea, to a specific point at sea.
But it doesn't make an ounce of sense to me.
I have since then talked to many, many helicopter pilots in the military, and I have asked them point blank, before they even know what I'm getting at, would you ever fly a helicopter 100 miles out to sea, away from shore, for any reason whatsoever?
And they usually look at me as if they think I'm some kind of person who believes in UFOs or something crazy like that.
Most of them roll their eyes and their heads and they say, are you crazy?
Now, the Coast Guard can do it once in a while.
I suppose they occasionally meet submarines, that kind of thing, out at sea.
Exactly.
But in point of fact, I've discovered that there was not one, but three helicopters involved in this operation.
Really?
Cut to the bottom line, Art.
There were three large helicopters, military helicopters, that were enlisted to carry roughly up to 16 whales, two per flight.
150 miles out to sea.
They dropped them in the ocean, allegedly, and then flew back.
You have three helicopters exposed to loss for approximately two hours.
The hour they're flying out, 150 miles, and the roughly hour that they're flying back.
I look at that photograph, now admittedly I'm a bit unusual in the sense that I am a UFO investigator.
I look at the world completely differently from the way most folks do.
But it seems highly unusual to me that somebody would expose three very expensive helicopters and their crews to do nothing more than deliver a handful of pilot whales out to a pod, allegedly to a pod of whales 150 miles offshore.
To my eye, this is a very, very high priority military operation.
The only remaining question is why did they do it and does it have Have to do with something that does not meet the eye, or that most people would not even think about.
All right, and clearly now, folks, I'm sitting here looking at it.
You can see that the pictures came out quite well.
You can see this whale actually in midair being dropped from a Black Hawk helicopter out at sea.
It's the damnedest thing you ever saw.
Go to my website, go down to Peter Davenport's name and click on it.
You'll get photographs.
It's astounding.
It is quite a mystery art, and one thing I want to point out is that it appears to be, at first blush anyway, on the face of it, a civilian operation.
At least it may have started that way.
And I pose the question to my listeners, have you ever tried to get a piece of military equipment for a civilian operation?
It is almost impossible.
And moreover, Can you imagine what a general's response would be if you went to him and you said, General, I want to borrow three of your twelve million dollar helicopters to deliver some sick fish on... No, no way in hell.
No, no way in hell.
No way in hell.
I cannot imagine.
There's only one way, and that is if in that thirteen months, our military, um, did some very, very serious... Well, I don't know what.
They were up to this in their... to their necks, I think.
And the mystery is, it's the Air Force.
The Navy does use short-finned pilot whales for a number of things.
They're easy to train, for one thing.
They're very, very intelligent animals.
Oh, they were strapping 45s to their snouts.
Maybe that was dolphins.
Peter, can you hold on?
We're at the bottom of the hour.
I will, indeed.
All right, but why would the military hold on to 13 pilot whales for 13 or 14, for 13 months, and then haul them 150 miles out to sea and dump them in the ocean?
We have the photographs.
Go take a look.
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We'll get back to Peter Davenport in a moment.
Peter Davenport back again and...
And, you know, the more I think about this, Peter, the less sense it makes.
Our U.S.
military, our Air Force simply, simply wouldn't do this.
They wouldn't, Art.
And that is one of many things that makes that photograph, to my way of thinking, very, very intriguing.
I hope our listeners can get a chance to look at it because it says a lot.
Now, To this point in the program, I have given sort of a general outline of the situation portrayed by that photograph.
There's one little detail I haven't mentioned yet, and this is the really mysterious part about all of this.
Those whales were not only found on a beach near Key West.
This is now about March of 1991.
Not only were they found beached, But they were grossly disfigured.
Disfigured in the sense that their flukes, or their caudal peduncle, what one would be inclined to call their tails, were grossly turned.
They were bent at 90 degrees to the long axis of their body off to the side.
Bent tails?
Now, under most circumstances like this, When animals are beached, they're usually euthanized if they can't be returned to the water or if they're returned and they insist on beaching themselves again.
A veterinarian or someone qualified will destroy the animals so they're not allowed to suffer.
How do you straighten out a whale tail?
That is the question.
I presume, Art, that there are people out there who may know the answer to that question.
That's part of why I'm so delighted to put this issue before so many listeners tonight.
to see if there's somebody who can help me solve this mystery because it is a mystery as far as I can tell I have pursued this one for six years and I have not succeeded to date well we had to have the photographs I mean you couldn't come on the air and say this and have people believe you without the photographs I mean that was just really important so go take a look folks a whale coming right out of a black hawk no kidding what would induce the military To spend the type of money that would be necessary to rescue, to house, to feed, to medicate, and rehabilitate 16 whales, only then to turn around and spend, by my calculation art, those eight flights by three helicopters 150 miles offshore or so, I estimate cost the American taxpayer
Somewhere between a quarter million and a half a million dollars.
That is a sizable, sizable taxi fare.
Why, for example, would the people who possessed those animals, or who had medicated them for those 13 months, not simply open the gate to their pen and let them swim out under their own steam?
Somebody, I reason, was terribly, terribly interested in those Those whales, to house them for well over a year.
And then, moreover, to carry them out in very fancy machines, risking the crews and the machines themselves.
Black Hawk helicopters, I understand, go for somewhere between $10 million and $20 million, depending on the model.
Now, why would anybody in his right mind fly one of those craft 150 miles from shore, If the captions to the photographs are correct, 150 miles from shore, only to drop the cetacean in the water and then fly back to shore and get another one and do it over again.
There's got to be some reason somebody was terribly, terribly interested in those animals.
Well, you can imagine, I suppose, that if they were going to re-beach themselves, or if there was a concern about their re-beaching, taking them 150 miles out, Might lessen that possibility because they'd have to go an awful long way to re-beach themselves.
That's the only thing I can think of off the top of my head.
Now there's a very good observation that I have to admit had not occurred to me.
But on the other side of the coin, I'm told by the people in that area that those helicopters allegedly were part of a search and rescue operation.
Again, it was a training mission, I was told.
Well, alright, I can tell you this.
Look, I went and I visited the Air National Guard in Alaska, and I can tell you this.
They do not fire up a Black Hawk.
And go out on a rescue, even a rescue mission, Peter, without a very, very serious reason because of the cost.
It is tremendously costly to fly them, as you have pointed out.
So, I just, you know, I think the overall question of why our military would be involved at all, under any circumstances, with whales for a 15-month period of time, I think that's just beyond my understanding.
The fact that they were not destroyed, the fact that they had bent tails, and I'll come back to that point in just a moment, the fact that somebody on very short notice had some mad money totaling at least a million dollars, I calculate, probably more, to throw at a group of whales.
Now, if it had been some kind of commercial operation, it's almost understandable.
They had a group of whales, they would train them for performances, and so on and so forth.
But in this case, if we can believe the caption, if we can believe the photo, they were treated for over a year, only to be released to the wild again.
Now, of course, we can't rule out that there might have been somebody with a magnanimous streak to his soul, or her soul, who has a love for cetaceans, as I think most human beings do, certainly a respect, and decided to treat these animals well.
That is certainly possible.
In fact, it could be said of the government.
Maybe they have some kind of fund for resurrecting injured animals like this.
However, let's go back to the bent tail for just a moment, Art.
I have talked to a number of marine mammal specialists out here at the NOAA facility trying to discover why a whale like that would have its flukes, its tail, bent to the side.
Now, as most people know, the flukes, the tail on a porpoise, when it swims, goes up and down, not side by side.
The major muscle groups move the flukes up and down.
The muscle groups that move the fluke to the side are much less well-developed.
It is a mystery to all of them why these animals, so far as I am aware at this time, I am not a cetacean specialist, but I have not succeeded in finding one to date who can explain to me the rationale behind why the flukes
would be bent to the side.
Now this is where the rub enters.
The thing that caught my eye about this incident was the similarity in the deformation of the tails
to the deformation that, for example, is seen in crop circles.
The deformation of the grains, or rather the stalks of grain, that are now frequently seen in bonafide crop circles.
That can be duplicated, or very nearly duplicated, only by microwave radiation.
Yes, and the work that Many, many crop circle specialists have done, point out very clearly that this is the case.
Dr. Levengood, Colin Andrews, many are working on that problem and the results of their work show the same thing.
That in the instance of a bonafide crop circle, the stalks can be, often times are, bent at up to 90 degrees.
In fact, I've seen that myself in a crop circle we had out here in the state of Washington I think it was formed on Memorial Day of 1993.
I walked in that field and I saw that very phenomenon.
The other thing that comes to mind from UFO lore is a few of the cases from the southwestern United States in which UFOs were seen to fly very low over automobiles and they bent the antennas at a 90 degree angle.
There are several cases that I'm aware of.
I'm sure there must be more that I'm not aware of.
That caught my eye.
That's UFO vandalism.
The intriguing thing about this is to consider whether if an alien organism were to come to the planet Earth, is there anything that says that the human organism here on this planet would be the only biological form that they would be interested in?
Only egotistical humans would conclude that.
That is my response too.
There is every argument that I can imagine That would say they certainly, certainly would be every bit as interested in all other intelligent organisms, and the cetaceans are certainly that.
For many, many years, when I studied biology, humans were congratulating themselves on just how intelligent we were.
We're in the top of the intelligence tree, if you will, in the biological field.
The only interesting thing about that is that it's not true.
For one thing, we argue that we have the largest brains in the biological world.
That's not true.
We really don't, do we?
I believe I'm correct in saying that the bottlenose dolphin has a larger brain than man does.
The bottlenose dolphin has a larger brain than man's.
That's interesting.
The other criterion we used was the brain mass to body mass ratio.
We congratulated ourselves on how much of our weight was dedicated to brain.
Again, I believe I'm correct in saying that, again, the bottlenose dolphin has a higher brain mass to body mass ratio than man does.
Now, the real clincher was the third criterion that we have used to argue our intelligence for years and years, and that is the percentage of our brains that is dedicated to neocortex.
The neocortex is that outer shell of the brain where the higher Thought processes occur where things like personality are thought to dwell, and so on.
Well, the bottlenose dolphin, and perhaps other cetaceans, but I believe the bottlenose has up to 98% of its brain dedicated to neocortex.
So clearly, I cite these things to underscore the fact That those organisms are very intelligent by any measure.
I'm beginning to feel rather poorly as I listen to all of that.
Particularly this last slam.
98% Peter?
Some 98% is my understanding.
I may stand corrected down the road by people who have accumulated a great deal more knowledge about these organisms than I have.
I am a marine biologist in a sense, albeit not a specialist when it comes to cetaceans.
But these are things that I've read from seemingly credible sources.
I cite them to point out the fact that any organism coming to this planet almost certainly would be as interested in cetaceans as they would be in human beings.
Or maybe even more so.
Or more so.
Or more so.
Maybe they would be the reason, in fact, that somebody Or something would come to visit here, period.
Look at the classic Star Trek movie.
I mean, it's not beyond reason.
Anything we can think of and imagine can occur, and it could well be that they are some sort of very special marker species on this planet, and that they have intelligence that we don't begin to understand or communicate with, but that others would, and they would be the reason they'd come here, not us.
Another thing I would cite is the fact that they do not have weapons.
It's true.
They don't have tools.
They don't have an opposing thumb and forefinger, for example.
Many of the things we describe about human beings.
But they do not have weapons.
They don't have wars.
Well, we don't have fins.
That's right.
But I would invite our listeners to go look at that photograph.
Again, I go back to a point I cited at the beginning of the program.
I throw this out, one, because you were Discussing the issue of beaching... Every night!
Every night lately.
It is a fascinating, fascinating phenomenon.
I truly believe that the researchers in that field are no closer to understanding what these organisms are doing or why than they were 50 years ago.
And the Greeks wrote about this phenomenon some 3,000 years ago.
It's by no means a new phenomenon.
No, it certainly isn't, but it may be an awful lot more frequent now.
Could be.
That may be explained by a higher frequency of cetaceans.
I don't know what the trend in population density is of those organisms in various parts of the oceans.
But there are three theoretical reasons for beaching.
Some people have cited the biological reasons.
For a long time they argued that it was due to parasites in their ears, due to predators, due to the fact that their echolocation system was paralyzed or thwarted by some condition or another.
Something along those lines.
Nobody has ever been able to prove any one of those theories.
Now, for a long time, some people argued that it was due to submarines.
Now, when a submarine touches off its active sonar, that is, pings, trying to find a target.
Right.
A submarine puts out an immense, whopping load of energy for a short period of time.
Now, some have argued that that might serve to frighten cetaceans.
I don't think that's the case.
Moreover, submarines very, very rarely use their active sonar.
After all, they're trying to go undetected.
Sure.
You can't do that by pinging every so often.
Certainly, they don't do it in shallow water as well, I'm told by submariners.
And the third issue, and this is the one that I throw out tentatively, this is only but a theory, Art.
is could there be some kind of interaction taking place in the marine or aquatic environment,
but marine environment between cetaceans and UFOs or aliens, whatever you want to call
them.
There are some fascinating scholarly works done on the presence of UFOs in the marine
And then wouldn't that account also for the military's intense interest in this and their spending of all this money to do it?
That is certainly the next step in the chain of logic, in my opinion.
But I would invite people to look at those photographs on your website.
I think after they've analyzed them carefully for perhaps five or ten minutes, and they've
read the captions, and they've sat and ruminated on what the significance of that photograph
is and all of the facts that are reported about it, I will be very curious to know whether
I am crazy or whether there's something very special about this photograph that does not
meet the eye and which could be potentially very deep, very profound.
Alright, we're running out of time.
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Excellent.
All right.
Address?
The address, they can send it by email, director at ufocenter.com.
Please make them very short, one or two sentences.
We're getting hundreds of emails a day.
Director at ufocenter.com.
They can find our website, www.ufocenter.com.
And our mailing address is the National UFO Reporting Center, P.O.
Box 45623, University Station, Seattle, Washington.
98145.
Alright, well then I invite everybody to trek up to my website right now www.artbell.com and do as Peter suggests.
Take a look at a black hawk dumping a whale and ruminate on that photograph and on the caption for a while.
Peter, my friend, thank you so much.
Thank you, Art.
It's been delightful.
Take care.
Good night.
All right.
We're going to be back with the unknown in a moment.
Whiplash from last night is what it's going to be.
I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
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Good morning, everybody.
It's great to be here.
We're going to a place that few would venture to go here in a few moments, and I'm going to give you, from last night's program, Whiplash.
But I've got a few announcements I want to repeat at this hour.
And they are, one, I rarely make movie recommendations.
I'm not Siskel nor am I Ebert, but I want you to see a movie called The Trigger Effect.
It's called The Trigger Effect.
Get your guide and look it up.
It's on Starz 2 later today, this morning actually.
Not too many people get stars, too, I guess.
But it'll be on HBO on the 20th.
Or, no doubt, you can go rent it or somehow glom onto it.
It's called the Trigger Effect.
And if you want an incredible study of what would happen to the human race, the human being, if something went wrong, any little thing, like suddenly losing power, you know, lights, television, radio, computers, Power.
Electricity.
You wanna know what would happen?
You go watch The Trigger Effect.
It is a phenomenal movie.
I'm getting a lot of agreement on that from those that have seen it, so there's my movie recommendation.
My wife taped it yesterday, and we watched it after the program yesterday morning, and man, oh man, oh man, what a movie.
Now, Our climate would appear to be changing.
The New York Times, 12798, a brand new story.
If climate changes, it may change quickly.
Past warnings or coolings occurred, warmings rather, or coolings occurred in decades or much less.
From the New York Times, in the debate over global warming, there has been a widespread assumption that if humans are changing the Earth's climate the effects will be felt gradually and smoothly making it much easier to adapt to the change but a growing accumulation of geological evidence is making it ever clearer that in the past the climate has undergone drastic changes in temperature and rainfall patterns in the space of a human lifetime in in fact a decade or even less now
Many experts believe that late in the next century concentrations of gas will double their pre-industrial levels.
Should that happen mainstream scientists say the average surface temperature of the global rise by 2 to 6 degrees Fahrenheit compared with the rise of 5 to 9 degrees since the depths of the last ice age to give you some idea of the scale of the rise.
A scientist don't know for sure, of course, but the question gives him pause.
Dr. Wallace S. Brocker of Columbia University's Lamont-Dowdy Earth Observatory said, the climate system is an angry beast and we are poking it with sticks.
He said, we don't know whether it's going to pay attention to the pokes But, if it does, it might rise up and do something we are not going to like.
Now, I say this as the forecast for the Oregon coast earlier today, and I presume that still holds, is for somewhere between 70 and 90 mile an hour winds.
I talked to Bob Crane in Northern California a little while ago, and he said the winds were howling up there.
Definitely a concern when you have rising directly above you hundred-foot redwood trees, which tend to come down in these kinds of winds.
The East Coast is getting clobbered.
The West Coast, if you've looked at the weather forecast and maps through the weekend, it is absolutely horrendous.
Horrendous!
I have told you now for the last two years that I believe the climate is changing and I think the evidence is now here.
Last hour we spent talking with Peter Davenport.
60 more sperm whales have beached themselves in Tasmania.
These are not little whales.
These are sperm whales.
These are up to 30 ton giants that just decided they'd do away with themselves and beach themselves in Tasmania.
We have a couple of photographs on the website right now that are total blowaways.
Peter Davenport brought them to us.
And they show U.S.
military Black Hawk helicopters dumping whales at 150 miles out to sea.
150 miles out to sea.
These are whales the military kept for up to 13 months.
They beached themselves.
The military collected them up.
Did something with them for 13 months.
Straightened out their tails.
They were bent.
The tails were bent, like crop circle wheat.
The military kept them for 13 months and then utilized Black Hawk helicopters to take them out two at a time, like Noah, and dump them into the ocean 150 miles out of Tien.
We've got photographs.
You go take a look at the helicopters yourself, you'll see a whale actually getting mid-air coming out of a Black Hawk helicopter.
It's the damnedest thing you ever saw.
The way you see that is go to my website at www.artbell.com.
Scroll down to where you see the name Peter Davenport as a guest and click on that.
You'll see the photographs.
and as he said you better go up there and sit and ruminate about what you see a little
bit and wonder why our military would do such a thing.
Last night we had a very very serious program on the subject of abduction.
We had Dr. Roger Lear and Daryl Sims and they brought with them pictorial evidence of implantation of human beings with what has to be alien technology.
The electron scanning microscope photographs are up there for you all to see.
You just go take a look at them.
Be my guest.
It was a staggeringly important program.
With regard to the abduction syndrome.
And this morning, we're going to present yet another program that has to do with the abduction syndrome, but not quite the same material.
Here from Southern California is an abduction victim.
Now I'm not sure it's fair to call her a victim.
She is Pamela, and we will call her only Pamela, Abduction Victim.
I heard a gurgle.
Was that you, Pamela?
Yes, it was.
You gurgled.
I should have told you to call me an Experiencer instead.
An Experiencer?
Yes.
You wouldn't describe yourself, Pamela, as a victim?
Absolutely not.
No?
No.
When did your experience begin?
What sort of early age were you first?
Well, my first conscious contact is about five years ago.
However, it's interesting that you would have Roger Lear and Darryl Sims on last night because I was Practically jumping out of bed.
I listened all night, so if I'm a little tired, it's because of you.
Because I worked all day and listened to you all night.
Then you listened to that show intently last night.
Oh, absolutely.
In fact, I met Daryl Sims at a workshop, and it was just recently after I had my first conscious contact.
And I went to his workshop, and it was the first time that I had ever heard of scoop marks.
And I realized that I had two marks on the front of my leg since I was a child.
And I literally couldn't believe that because at the time when I had found them, when I was young, there was no scar.
It was just all of a sudden there were two holes in the front of my leg.
They're about the size of a watch battery.
And they're about an inch and a half apart from one another.
And I remember after the workshop, Going up to Daryl and saying, Daryl, does this look like scoot marks to you?
And he looked at me and he said, yeah.
He said, welcome.
Jenny, really?
Yeah.
And I remember... Now, now, was there any abduction experience that you recall to go along with this?
Not that I recall.
So the scoop marks came out of nowhere?
Well, out of nowhere when I was young, and of course when you're young you go, hmm, fat.
You know, I don't remember... Well, not that young.
I mean, this is five years ago, right?
No, no, no.
Five years ago is when I had my first conscious contact.
Okay, now that makes sense.
Alright, so the scoop marks were at about what age?
I was around eight or nine.
Eight or nine.
And I remember them showing up at different times.
So this was before puberty then?
Oh yeah.
And I'm starting to make some connections.
I lost a job actually from going public about six months ago.
And from going public with my experiences.
What kind of going public?
Well, I don't mind saying that I've done your radio show before.
Yeah, but that was...
A strange universe has been replaying the segment, and they were hardly generous.
They took soundbites out of context, as they're known to do.
But that's not a problem, because I took the six months off, and I actually finished the proposal to a book that I'm writing.
So you got canned for what you said?
Oh yeah, and I'm not the only one.
That is so unfair, Pamela.
Yeah, it's almost a new little form of prejudice that we have on our hands.
It is a new form of prejudice.
Yeah.
And it's just the unknown.
People are afraid of it.
Pamela, I keep hearing gurgles.
Are you in a bubble bath?
Oh, I'm sorry.
That's my computer.
I have my aquarium on.
You have an aquarium program?
I have an aquarium program.
Fish going across your... Maybe I can disengage that.
Sorry about that.
That's quite right.
I pictured you sitting there in a bubble bath or something.
You know, I wish, with a glass of champagne.
Yeah, that's right.
Alright, so you actually... You know what?
You could sue somebody over that.
I mean, just because you tell a story about an abduction.
Albeit, I know yours is a very strange story.
Yeah, it is.
But nevertheless... I know, I thought of getting Peter Gersten involved and I thought, you know, do I want to walk down that road?
I take so much hits and ridicule about this as it is.
I mean, you know, you become aware of something that's so incredibly profound and you want to share it with the world because you feel that it's important and you literally have to keep your mouth shut with both hands In almost everything you do in your life.
And it's very challenging because I really believe it's something that I think disclosure is imminent and that we can't really get this information out fast enough to prepare ourselves.
Well, I understand why you are discriminated against.
However, it is against the law.
It is indeed.
And you just, no matter how wild your story, you cannot be canned For having related an experience that you had.
Yeah, well, like I said, I'm not the only one.
I have a very good girlfriend who is an incredible script supervisor and told the story to the wrong person and the next day it was like flying like wildfire and she was canned.
How did Strange Universe get onto you?
I believe they had contacted John Rhodes about using some of his drawings And one of the drawings was the one that I described of my reptilian entity to Passara, so they had to call me to get permission.
And then the producer started asking me questions.
In fact, I have the whole transcript of my Strange Universe interview.
I made a point to get it before I wrote my book, because what they edited, it will clearly show that it was kind of like a 60 minutes deception tape, where They really make it look like you're an idiot and sensationalize everything you're saying without using the substance of what you're saying.
Well, now, let us at least be fair.
You've got to admit that your story, even told straight, is absolutely sensational.
It is, but you know the thing is, Art, and since I had this experience and went public with it, I can't tell you how many letters and emails I've received from people having the same experience.
Well, you know the night that I was on.
I do.
I mean, that's one of the reasons.
Call after call after call of people.
I mean.
You wouldn't have believed the mail that I got.
And plus the fact that when I started researching, I realized there are a lot of other abductees who quietly mention this in a part of their book.
You have to understand that sex is so repressed in our society.
So you put sex, in any context, it's taboo, minus the fact that it's with an interdimensional being, reptilian.
But here's the thing, sex is an integral part of the whole abduction phenomenon.
Now, people, because it's sex, they don't talk about it a lot, of course.
Exactly.
But let's face it, folks, the facts are that an awful lot of the abduction syndrome describes Intense interest in human reproduction.
Absolutely.
It actually, many times women who tell the whole story tell of children that have been the product of a relationship with one of them.
Absolutely.
Well, I told you that my first conscious contact was waking up aboard a spacecraft and seeing my four hybrid daughters calling me mommy.
And I nearly lost it.
I had never experienced anything like that.
And it changed my whole life.
Can you describe your daughters?
I mean, what?
No, I can't.
Now, your relationship was with a reptilian creature.
Right, but the daughters that I saw were half gray and half human.
Now, I had gray experiences for about two years before I had a reptilian experience.
But most people, Pamela, describe the grays as Asexual.
That they are actually, perhaps, crosses between biological things and machines.
Androids.
And I believe that that is the case.
The thing is, I don't know that there is any intercourse that takes place.
The men abductees that I know have described machines being placed on their genitalia and having the semen pumped out.
Women describe having, well I know myself, having things inserted in you.
Yes.
Maybe like an insemination type procedure of some kind.
Yes.
And so it's not really physically sexual like the reptilian interaction is.
I don't believe the reptilian interaction is necessarily to create another species.
However, I really don't know.
I always have more questions.
Well, actually, there's a question.
Do you suppose that the reptilian-human interaction and your reptilian consort, that it's sexual in the same way that it's sexual between a man and a woman?
I've had sex.
In other words, sex for the sake of sex.
I think it's very possible.
I mean, I've seen the reptilians described as sort of a warrior class, sort of as, you know, like sort of what our soldiers would do if they walked into a foreign land.
They'd take the women and the liquor, you know.
The women and the liquor.
Yep, that's it.
And I don't really know.
I know that so much has happened to me since I talked to you the last time.
I had an incredible regression with A wonderful woman.
I don't know if you're familiar with Barbara Lamb.
Barbara Lamb.
She's a hypnotic regressionist.
She was doing a video on the abduction phenomenon.
I'll call it that because most people don't resonate with contact experiences or whatever.
She asked me if she could regress me on video.
I told her that I had this unusual feeling of communion with the reptilian species.
And if we could address that issue that I would be more than happy to spend my evening being regressed.
Now a lot of people the first time you were on probably doubted or scoffed at your story.
I mean a sexual relationship with a lizard for heaven's sakes.
I had a lot of letters that ridiculed me but I will suggest those that ridicule and use profane language to use spell check because inevitably they were the ones that I could barely read.
The people that notified me that had real experiences were the most eloquent and articulate and sensitive and compassionate people.
So many people thanked me that I literally had tears in my eyes reading some of the letters.
I've helped a lot of people process these experiences because I've come into a place of being able to control them within the
interaction. You of course have to understand that it's very difficult for the average person,
not another experiencer
or not somebody who's born again and wants you unborn or something.
But I mean the average person out there to grasp the fact that there is an ongoing...
I heard your aquarium.
There is an ongoing relationship between human, earth women and reptilian beings.
I understand that it's probably the ultimate insult for men.
I remember men being very upset by the things I said.
Believe me, I love men.
Well, the only part of what you said that tended to upset men was when you said that actually reptilian sex was better than human male sex.
Well, I'm not sure I put it quite that way.
Well, it ended... Like I said, it was very different.
It was... No, you did put it that way.
Pamela, hold on.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 5th, 1998.
It's a special night for the Coast Guard. We're going to be performing a song called,
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She's pure as New York snow.
She's got better days to die.
And she'll ease you.
She'll unheat you.
All the bad guys just to please you.
She's precocious.
And she knows just what it takes to make a problem...
She can't get it by herself...
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It is great to be here. My guest is Pamela. Pamela had a sexual relationship with a lizard
guy.
And that's really unfair because actually they are known as reptilians.
Scales and all.
We'll get back to Pamela in a moment.
Alright, back now to Pamela.
And, uh, I think we left off at the point, Pamela, where really, I mean, if you're really being honest, Pamela, you've got to admit that you did make a rather definitive statement.
Alright, you can call me on that if you want.
That reptilian sex was... was better than human sex.
Well, I can only tell you that it was like something I had never, ever experienced.
And, um, it was very tantric, it was... Very what?
Tantric.
It was a skilled performance, let's say.
And not only that, there was an emotional connection that I felt that was so profound.
So this was not just your basic... No.
It was aggressive, but then so am I. Right.
Oh, by the way, by the way, the last time you were on, we did not have A drawing of your reptilian friend.
Right.
Now, tonight we do.
We keep, we have long memories and files.
Well I still get emails from that and unfortunately people don't have access to my first interview so they just call me completely ridiculous.
Oh well I know they need to hear the story and they're going to but what I'm saying to everybody is up on my website now is a picture of your reptilian friend.
Right now and I can tell you that it's not exact because I only described it for a quick 15 minutes to Cassara But it's very close.
There are some differences and I hope to have a better drawing in my book.
Oh, you're writing a book?
That's not a picture.
No, it's not a picture.
I didn't have my camera, okay?
No cameras work on an interdimensional level.
Sorry.
In other words, you wouldn't have taken a picture of No.
What was his name?
Well, I didn't really give the entity a name.
I didn't hear a name.
In fact, one of the things I'd really like to talk about was this regression because I found it a very profound revelation for me.
I did this regression with Barbara Lamb and it was a three-hour regression.
It was pretty phenomenal because you never know when you're going in.
What's going to come out yourself because your defenses are down.
You're tapping into an unconscious realm that you don't have access to when you're conscious.
And I had the experience of being a reptilian hundreds of thousands of years ago.
Well, that may account for your taste now.
Well, it's very possible that I was meeting myself or an aspect of me or someone that I knew from that time.
I firmly believe in past lives.
And I think it's very possible that we have been all of these species at one time or another, or at least a good number of them.
And since metaphysics has taught me that there is no past, present, or future, we have access to these particular realities that we might have been a part of.
Can I ask a couple of questions about the photograph?
Sure.
Okay.
It kind of looks like this reptilian guy is wearing a t-shirt.
Yeah.
It's more of a breast plate type thing.
And like I say... And then you can almost like see what looks like lungs or something.
Well, it's very human.
And like I say, to the touch, it was very soft.
It wasn't scaly.
It was... But in the photograph, it shows definite green scales.
Yes.
Well, like I say, the entity that I saw, who knows how much is green?
Who knows what these entities really look like?
Maybe all the graves are really reptilians.
But I would presume that when you described, for the person who did this, very good drawing, it's a very good drawing, you know, it almost looks like a cobblestone road.
I mean, the skin looks like a cobblestone road, you know, with indentations in between the scales now.
Right.
It reminded me of, the entity reminded me of a tattooed being, totally tattooed with a snake-type When you touched that skin, did you feel the individual scales?
No, I didn't.
So you're saying the whole thing felt smooth?
Well, have you ever held a snake?
Yeah, when I was real young.
Alright, well snakes' bodies are very soft.
Garden snakes.
But they're very firm.
Yeah.
And that's the closest thing I can tell you that it felt like.
Okay.
And again, you know, men are visually oriented.
So for men, this sort of thing would be completely out of the question.
Big turnoff.
It would be a turnoff.
A female version of this creature would be nothing you'd want to tangle with in any way at all.
Exactly.
Much less sexual, that's for sure.
But for women, if you appeal to us on an emotional level, on a spiritual level, at generally it doesn't really matter
you know what the package is uh... we seem to move from a different place now that this
packages and packages and and this is not even
remotely human well you would be
very surprised how many letters i got from women who who
wouldn't would long for something Like this?
Uh-huh.
And these are women who saw the photograph, Pamela?
I don't know.
They heard the interview.
And I think that they resonated with the fact that there was a very deep emotional... Well, I was going to ask about that next.
How deep was the emotional connection between you and... He didn't have any name?
No.
He didn't need a name.
It's really a strange thing.
It's like you don't relate on the same level that you do with a human being.
It's almost as if you are really one with that being.
I mean, the communication, the telepathic communication was so loving and so... Now, the creature has a mouth.
Yeah.
Sort of.
It's kind of like a beak mouth.
Well, it's actually more like, more alligator-ish.
Yeah, yeah.
In fact, you know what?
I was in a pet shop, believe it or not, and I saw the bearded dragon, and all of them were at the side of the cage, opening their mouths to me, and I jumped back because it was like, it was almost like a memory of some kind.
So that wouldn't have been a sensual experience for you?
Well, I was just shocked because it was a trigger.
The trigger effect, let's say.
Trigger effect, thank you.
It really triggered something in me.
Like I say, it's called a bearded dragon and it's a reptile, a small little reptile.
Like I say, I had to do another drawing because the mouth was very different than that.
But it was very human-like.
You know, almost imagine a human being more so than a reptile.
It's really hard to describe.
Absolutely.
okay well you know you said there was telepathic communication and you said
there was a deep emotional involvement now now was there
the being said he knew me was there
like a courtship to this thing or was it uh... i don't think it was it more like
being dragged off by your hair into a cave
Well, I don't even think a courtship type thing or a thought in that direction is even important because like I say, I felt a connection as though we were connected maybe for eons, you know?
Boy, I'll tell you, if human guys only had that ability to impart that feeling to human women, there wouldn't be near the trouble on this planet we have now.
Well, you know, I think that people that we do meet, we have resonated with and had experiences with, we're just not aware of them.
Instead of some stupid line like, you know, what sign are you or something, it's an immediate mental communication, and boom, there you are.
Yeah.
Well, I think it really just comes down to respect, because, you know, as many of your Guests have said there really are no secrets anymore and we communicate with each other on a telepathic level anyway and it's just a matter of how tuned in you are to yourself and to other beings.
I mean we're all so divine and so multi-dimensional that if we could only see that about one another and ourselves.
So then it really wouldn't be wrong to say then that it was telepathic love at first sight?
Yeah, we could say that.
Like I say, I believe that I was needing an aspect of myself.
I think I was being reminded, because in my regression, one of the things that she asked me was why I had such a connection with this particular race, and I saw myself on a hill with my fellow warriors.
I was a male reptilian in this life, and we knew that the end was near.
We didn't know exactly what it was.
We didn't have You know, weapons.
Our minds were our weapons.
We were preparing ourselves mentally for our doom.
And I remember looking at the other beings and there was such a sense of love and knowing that we were going to perish.
And a red cloud, I don't know if it was radiation or what, came over and that was when I came out of the regression.
But she asked me why I would be in touch with the reptilians in this lifetime.
The answer, wait a minute, you're going to love this, the answer was that the same thing
is going to happen here on this planet.
There is an end in sight, maybe it's a precognitive prophetic vision that I have, but that many
of those warriors from that time that went through that are reincarnated now to experience
it once again.
Alright, well you could almost look at him, based on the story you just told, and imagine
them as reptilian barbarians.
Well you could, except that in that life...
They were very evolved.
They were spiritual warriors.
Well, spiritual barbarians.
They were mental giants.
But they were also warriors, right?
In other words, the Mars influence?
For example, they take what they want, right?
Well, this again is something we have to remember.
We cannot blanket statement any extraterrestrial species, because we can't blanket statement human beings.
There are good ones, there are bad ones, and then when you take it out into the universe, into the cosmic realm, We're talking about from the past, from the future, evolved, unevolved.
But still you're talking about a warrior species, basically.
Well, that's what people say, but you have to understand that not everyone has that particular perception of it.
I mean, there are as many varied stories as you can possibly imagine.
Alright, how aggressive was your reptilian?
Well, it was very aggressive and I believe that I was in a lot of fear because it was so shocking to me visually.
But once there was a telepathic communication, I started to calm down and I said to myself, you know, I've been through a year and a half of gray abductions that were so It's so shattering to me, physically, that this, obviously, I'm not going to die.
That's the conclusion I came to from going through so many abduction experiences.
I'm looking at this guy and I wouldn't conclude I wouldn't die if I had tangled with him.
Well, the thing is, like I say, I didn't get that sort of telepathic communication from the grave.
It was cold, it was clinical.
And so that was really more frightening than this.
Because at least here you were getting some sort of a mental emotional connection.
Exactly.
And I was having severe physical symptoms from some of the procedural stuff that was going on with the grave.
So this was at least pleasurable.
And I decided in the middle of the sex act to get out of fear.
I mean that's what I had been teaching myself for a year and a half anyway with these experiences.
I have to stay out of fear.
I've got to conquer that, otherwise I'm not centered enough to deal with it.
Now, how would these occur?
Would this creature come to you in your sleep, in your bed?
Would this creature take you up somewhere?
This is what is very hard to explain because I think I mentioned on the show long ago that I'm a skilled astral projector.
I've been doing it for 14 years and I've been traveling out into those weird realms and had a lot of strange things happen.
But I always knew that I was out of my body and that I could not be harmed physically.
Right.
Now this time, and I also am a lucid dreamer.
Okay.
But this time I woke up out of a sleep and my very first experience with the reptilian was that I was making love to a gorgeous blonde man.
And in the middle of the sex act, it turned into a reptilian.
Oh my God.
Yeah, that's what I said.
From blonde surfer to reptilian?
Yeah, it was.
But the thing is, they shapeshift.
And I don't know how many other species do as well.
It's possible that the greys do as well.
Maybe the greys are reptilians or can shapeshift into.
Oh my God, then it's possible.
Then you have to imagine it's possible that Um, women who are meeting men all over the planet actually are meeting shapeshifters?
You never know Art, I, I, you know, I know, I, at least I think I know that the military has been cloning for a very, very long time.
I don't doubt that at all.
And I will tell you another incident which I wasn't going to share because it all sounds so outlandish that even I sit back and I go, how am I ever going to even tell my abduction support group about this?
But I sing on the weekends.
I'm a singer.
And I had a gig in the Pacific Palisades about, I guess about seven or eight months ago.
And it was an Asian wedding.
And it was couples.
Everyone was down in the yard.
It was like a three-tiered backyard.
And the band was set up at the top with the bar, and all the guests were downstairs having dinner.
Dinner had started, right?
Two guys walk in, dressed in black with sunglasses on, after the sun went down.
Men in black.
I couldn't believe my eyes.
I said, this couldn't possibly be real.
And luckily, I had just seen the film.
Men in Black, so I had a bit of a sense of humor about it, and my sound man came over to me and he said, Diva, well that's my nickname, he said, Diva, look at those two guys over there, because he had heard your show, and he knew what I was going through and knows me well, and he said, I swear to you, those are men in black, and I said, listen, JC, the minute I get off stage, I want you to come with me and we're going to confront them, because they're either gay lovers at the wrong party, or they're men in black.
So as soon as I got off stage, they were gone.
And I said, I said, look, I know that they were here.
I said, let's go look for them.
They must be in the house because they're obviously not down eating.
We would have seen them go by.
We went out.
I finally said, listen, let's ask the valets.
We went to the valets and the valets said, yeah, we saw these two weird guys.
We thought maybe they were bodyguards, but we don't there's no stars here.
And I said, well, I think I know who they were.
I said, what were they driving?
And he said, a black Lexus.
And I said, well, they had a Cadillac, but... I mean, these are weird... This is a horrid thing to contemplate, Pamela, but has it occurred to you that those men, obviously on to you, right?
Well, obviously.
Obviously on to you, that these men may have snooped, peeped, recorded your encounter with Mr. Reptile here.
I tell you Art, the research that I've been doing has been pretty heavy since I first became aware of this and I know that many people that have had military abductions right after going public and I've had a couple experiences that are actually almost too scary to talk about and I know that it happens.
I have a couple theories about it.
I've been researching mind control and have found out some pretty startling things about
the disposal program for the mind control victims who are implanted with extraterrestrial
abduction experiences to cover covert operations that they might have been involved in.
So many records are destroyed once they're disposed of.
It's very possible that on one hand they're muddying the waters of research for abduction
because they've already set the ridicule campaign for abduction in action.
and I'll see you next time.
Um, that was the planned scheme on their part to discredit all of us.
Well, you know, I really can't accept a couple of things that happened to me that are too scary to talk about.
I'm going to have to try and pry that from you.
Well, I'll tell you off the air.
No, no, no, no.
On the air.
Tell me on the air.
All right.
Not now.
We're going into a break.
Maybe.
Maybe?
Yeah, we'll bargain.
All right.
Pamela and her former question mark lover, the lizard guy, pictures on my website right now, www.artbell.com.
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Well, I could have had Monica Lewinsky on this morning, but no
Bye.
I've surpassed even that.
I've got Pamela.
Pamela was on the show, I'm going to say it was a year ago.
It had to be a year ago.
Pamela was abducted at a very early age.
Not a victim, mind you, but a cooperative Consenting adult in a relationship with a lizard.
Maybe a lizard is unfair.
But he looks like a lizard.
Definitely looks like a lizard.
A big lizard with a t-shirt.
We've got a picture of this creature that Pamela has at times cohabitated with.
And it's on the website right now as well as a photograph of Pamela herself.
I mean, it's absolutely nothing short of remarkable.
The whole story is remarkable.
Here's somebody saying, Art, this is not your everyday woman.
She seems to have a number of very special qualities.
She definitely has special qualities.
No question about that.
and we'll get back to uh... pam pamela and her special qualities in a moment
alright uh...
Originally, Pamela was, I think the word would be sexually molested by the grays, the phrase would be accurate, and then she actually, I think it's fair to say she had an affair.
Is that a fair word, Pamela?
Well, I don't know.
You know, I can't call these things By human terms anymore.
Alright, fine.
Let's walk into a new paradigm.
Let's define an affair.
There would be sexual components to an affair.
We had an interaction.
There would be an emotional component to an affair.
I suppose so.
And so in most senses of the word.
I know, but affairs sound like something married men have, you know.
Yeah, well that's true.
Yeah, that's true.
You know, let me just tell you one thing, and I think this is really important.
A lot of the experiencers that I've been in contact with, and I've been in contact with an awful lot of them, really go through the same thing.
Finally, we get to the other side of these experiences, understand them, become aware and process them, and become functional again in our lives.
I'll tell you, at the end of all this, there's only one species that really, truly scares me, and that's the one that I belong to.
I've rarely seen such an angry mob mentality as when a new concept, a new idea, and perhaps a perception that we really need to consider if we're going to face the new millennium is put in their faces.
They simply cannot adjust.
And we've crucified our messengers throughout our history and suppressed truths that we need to get on with our lives and evolve.
And I would just really like to tell your listeners to keep an open mind, because the people that come forward with these experiences, it takes a lot of courage to do so.
Of course it does, but you've got to admit that most women would have to have an extremely open mind.
Well, I'll tell you one thing.
The women that I've met are so incredibly evolved.
Now, I find that the men have a much harder time integrating these experiences, and I think it's because...
They are.
When they're out of control, it's so frightening to them that they just can't handle the experience.
And again, you have to look at this.
Most people understand and accept and believe that the gray abductions are going on.
I mean, it's an accepted fact.
But the point is, you introduce a new species, and once again, all the new prejudices are out, rearing their ugly heads.
Pamela, earth women are supposed to be for earth men.
That's where the problem is.
I don't think any of us are necessarily earth beings.
I think we are throughout eternity coming into new forms and new consciousnesses.
This is the expansion that I've become aware of, just in terms of being a paranormal explorer my whole life, and I think that's probably one of the reasons that I woke up to these experiences.
Right.
In the middle of the first relationship you had with the lizard, he morphed himself.
First he was a handsome human, and then halfway through the act he became what we see here, roughly.
Why do you think that the lizard guy would think that you could handle that?
Particularly at a sensitive moment like that.
Well, the thing is, I had two other interactions with the reptilians after that.
The first time was the only time that I was introduced to a human-like being before he shapeshifted.
The other times he just showed up as a reptilian.
Yeah, the question is why he revealed himself to you at that moment.
Why he thought you could mentally handle that.
I'm not sure.
I really don't know for sure, except possibly, like I say, I go back to my regression where I was to be reminded of my connection to that species and the fact that I need that mental warriorship to do what I'm going to do the rest of my life, because I've walked into a life that I'm now Really compelled to share this information and get some answers for myself and everyone else.
You would describe this creature as dominant?
Yeah, or aggressive, let's say.
Ah, synonyms, I think.
Dominant, aggressive.
Okay, well I'm pretty dominant and aggressive as well.
In fact, I noticed that the minute I became a participant and I became aggressive myself, The entity disappeared.
What?
Yes.
You mean you even scared him away?
I don't know that I necessarily scared him.
I think that the job had been done.
And that was to basically bring me through fear and into an empowered position.
Oh, that's really weird.
That's like staring down a bear in the forest.
Yeah, I've met many beasts face to face.
And I think that That I'm a more powerful person for it, and if the meaning, if the reason that we're here on this planet is to overcome fear, because it is such a synthetic thing, it's man-made, it's not our natural state to be in fear.
You've got to understand though, Pamela, that it's doubly hard, and I really mean this, it's doubly hard for the average man to Um, to understand that any Earth woman would prefer or even allow a totally different creature.
Yeah, I know.
It's pretty bizarre.
Like I say, I think it's just a matter of getting over, once again, a prejudice.
Now, I remember the last program we did, a lot of women called.
A lot of women called.
And they were really okay with this.
The guys who called were not.
Well, I think women are basically more intuitive, and I don't think I will get an argument from anyone on that.
And I think that they sense something about me that is real, maybe that empowers them.
that gives them just a little bit of an insight into something that is unknown
that they're not afraid to venture into and at least explore and talk about.
When Barbara regressed you, is that when she found out about the things that you said were just too scary to talk
about?
No.
Those were experiences that I had after going public.
Alright.
After going public.
That means after my last program?
Yeah.
And Strange Universe and the whole nine.
So in other words, anything that I would pry out of you now about these two things would be utterly new?
Oh yeah.
I've got a lot of new things, but like I say, I don't want to disclose everything, because I'm also writing a book, and my co-author is in Hong Kong, and I didn't have a chance to call him and say, what could I talk about?
Believe me, believe me when I tell you that anything that you would say now... No, it'll be between you and I, right?
No!
No, we're on the radio.
I'm being upfront with you.
You know you are.
Anything that you would say now would just promote the book.
Because, obviously in the book, you would get all of the complete lurid details.
Well, you know, there's a chapter devoted to you and all the people that wrote to me.
There's a chapter devoted to me?
Oh, yes.
It's called, For Whom the Bell Tolls.
You're kidding.
No.
Well, you know, I really do have to thank you because one of the reasons that I've been offered to do a lot of other magazines and radio shows and TV shows, and you know what?
I've learned my lesson.
If I am edited in any way whatsoever, I'm not doing it.
I know.
I don't blame you for a second.
I am very sensitive about who I will do an interview with because, you know, they come after me, Pamela.
You've got to understand.
I know.
You know, even with some of the absolute righteous work that I do, I have a lot of people who hate my guts because of the kind of material that I air.
Sure.
Well, and the thing is, we've got to have an allowance policy here if we're going to get any new answers.
In life, and it's real sad, really.
Well, look, just give us a little tease about these items that have occurred to you since the last time we spoke.
Alright, well, I'm going to share a couple of things.
I've met a couple of women who went public years ago when it wasn't quite as safe to do so.
I mean, you have to understand, I believe that the UFO cover-up is probably one of the most profound cover-ups that we will ever face.
And I know why, because the ramifications of disclosure are so huge.
We're talking religious, economic, political, you name it.
Everything's going to crumble.
So as far as our shadow government, because I don't even think our government is She's aware of what's really going on.
But as far as they're concerned, they have to do anything in their power to keep this quiet.
And there have been a couple of women that I know, one in particular, and I'm not going to use any names because I don't want to divulge who they are because I know that this one woman has been absolutely terrorized by the military.
In fact, over a dozen of her neighbors have witnessed her being abducted by the military and interrogated.
And I just want you to know that it's really going on.
Abducted by the military and interrogated about an experience she had?
That's right, because we're not supposed to be going public with this.
You have no idea the harassment that abductees have to face.
Oh yes, I do.
And the same kind of experience you had?
Well, mine was similar.
I really don't want to talk about it.
I woke up one morning and I was completely aware that I had been interrogated.
You too?
By the military?
I only had sketchy memories of it.
I was extremely drugged when I woke up.
I had, uh, my whole face was swollen.
My front tooth was chipped.
Oh, my God.
They beat you?
Huh?
They beat you?
I don't know.
All I know is I felt like someone had beaten me up.
I didn't think that I even left my apartment.
I have no idea.
So they probably got every detail.
They probably got it all.
Well, I don't know.
I imagine they must be curious to know Either whether I'm a mind control victim, which I'm pretty sure I'm not.
I mean, I didn't, I didn't.
You wouldn't know.
Well, you know, I think I would.
The thing is, I believe that it's all of the above.
I don't think we can, we can, you know, put all this, all these things into a nice, neat little box.
Maybe not, but Pamela, it's impossible to believe for most people that you could have a physical relationship with this creature without Being the victim of some kind of mind control.
I know, well that's what the mind control people say.
But I really, I can't believe that that is the case.
I really believe it's all of the above.
As a matter of fact, a man out there, even me, might choose to believe that the reason you said you prefer the lizard guy to human guys is because of mind control.
Well, the thing is extraterrestrials I'm sure have much Have as much power as the government to mind control.
I mean, let's get real here.
The mind control program has been ongoing since World War II.
Over 800 German scientists were brought here after the war and filtered into the mind control program.
And our tax dollars are paying for this.
MKUltra? That's one of 147, Art, that we don't know about.
147 programs?
That's what we know about.
Good Lord.
I mean, my mind control research has really scared me.
And of course, I talk about it on the phone.
I know my phone's tapped.
Well, once you know it, who cares?
Yeah, well, the thing is, the things I talk about and my co-author, we do interviews on the phone.
And, you know, I'm very verbal.
I'm not holding anything back.
And that's another reason why I would appeal to your audience.
To listen to these accounts that people are bringing forward because we're sharing something with you that is really to our detriment to do so.
Oh, that's right.
But yours is the wildest of them all.
Well, you know what?
I'm not the only one.
I'm just the only one that will talk about it.
I got letters from the Bible Belt.
From women who said, I can't thank you enough for coming forward.
I know, I remember on the last program, we had women crying on the air.
They say they're down there, in the Bible Belt, in a Christian community, and if they told their husband about their experience, they would be afraid that they would be divorced and exiled from the community.
And I happen to not answer to anybody.
Thank you.
So you don't have a husband to worry about divorcing you and casting you off?
No.
So I can understand why then you would come forward.
But even at that, it must have been a really difficult thing.
Well, even at that, I'm dealing with employment stuff and friends and the men that I've dated in the last couple years.
Do you tell them about it?
Well, I feel like I have to.
It's part of my life.
And they have a very hard time and they don't stick around very long.
I mean, they just up and leave?
And that's okay.
Well, it's not really.
Well, but the point is I need somebody as strong and truthful and centered and allowing as I am.
Do you watch their faces when you tell them?
Well, you know, it's just, I realize, and I'm not having a hard time with it.
I don't feel rejected.
I understand how difficult this might be to walk into.
I mean, I'm not a passive woman without a mind.
Most guys could accept a woman with a history.
No problem.
A human history.
But... Well, I'm going to need a pretty incredible man.
That's okay.
Have you yet met an Earthman comfortable with this?
Well, you know, oddly enough, I saw a video, because I scour for videos and whatever I can find on the topic, And I saw a guy who I believe is going to be in Linda Moulton Howe's book.
His name is Jim Sparks, and I think he's from Florida.
And on his tape, he said he had one interaction with the reptilians.
Now, he's had a lot of great experiences.
He had?
He had?
Oh, you mean guys are having interactions with lizard ladies?
Art.
Yes.
I can't tell you how many people have had this experience.
Credible, empowered people.
You didn't tell us this the last time.
No, well I didn't know that Jim Sparks was having, you know, interactions.
But what he did was, he asked these beings, he had 12 beings around him, he said, I want to know, he's very bold, I can't wait to meet him, I hope to meet him one day.
He said, I want to see what you really look like, who you really are.
And all of a sudden they all shapeshifted into reptilians.
And he's going to be in Linda's book.
Is he?
Mm-hmm.
And I thought he was very empowered.
Pamela, can you hold on?
I sure can.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
One more cup of coffee, of course, for the night.
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Pamela, was it such an intense thing with him that it took your breath away?
What are you talking about?
Which entity?
Oh, you know the one.
The one, the green one.
What do you mean?
Was it what?
Did it take your breath away?
And then some.
And then some.
All right, hold on, Pamela.
we'll be right back to you alright uh... pamela
here's a question by fax first of all I mean, a million people want to talk to you, like always.
Art, ask Pamela, please, inquire of her, at any of the amorous alien encounters, was there a presentation of alien flowers, alien chocolates, or, most importantly, alien alcoholic beverages during the courtship?
Um, only, um, absolutely fresh insects.
That was such a funny ad that that guy wrote.
I really want to hear that again one day.
Absolutely.
You know, there's one thing I would like to talk about, and that is that wonderful people that contacted me afterwards, after your last show.
In fact, I think I remember telling you that I was about to press a CD, and I asked for donations of a dollar.
I remember that, yeah.
Well, I only got $200, but I got hundreds of more letters, and I wasn't able to press a CD.
But I took some of my own money when I lost the last job, and it was about the time of the Roswell 50th anniversary.
Boy, poor crab timing.
No, it was great because I got to go.
I went.
And I had prepped up a couple of cassette copies and I sent one to the concert director at Roswell.
You should have sent one to me.
What?
You should have sent one to me.
You know what?
I'm going to send you one because I now have them for sale out of my purse, these cassettes.
And the people that sent me a dollar, I have kept the money and the letters.
I've written to most people back, but I haven't been able to get to everyone.
And I just want to thank everyone.
I have an address now because I'm actually selling them on a couple of the radio stations
Whoa and if and for people to write to me as well Because I want to include some accounts in my book anyone
who wants to share anything even anonymously It sounds like all the details lurid details are going to
be in the book Oh, yes.
And then some.
Figures.
Yeah, well, hopefully I'll get it out without too many more military abductions.
Well, and the thing is, one of the reasons I'm even talking about this stuff is because if anything does happen, maybe a few people will ask questions, you know, because I'm not going to off myself.
I'm not going to have a heart attack.
I do yoga and, you know, bounce on my trampoline.
You know what I'm saying?
It's not going to be an accident.
I know what you're saying.
All right.
Do you have an address you want to give out?
Yes.
What is it?
It's M, as in Mary, M-S-M.
M-S-M.
And it's 171 Pier T-I-E-R Avenue.
Number 395.
395.
And it's 171 Pier Pierre Avenue, number 395, Santa Monica, 90405.
And what I'll do for the people that sent me a dollar, if they send me their name and
remind me that they sent me a dollar, I'll look it up.
And I'll send them a cassette.
I've got 12 original songs, two of which are about my abduction experience.
That's very generous, especially for a buck.
Well, no, but the thing is, the people that sent me the dollars, they can have the cassette for $8.
That includes shipping and handling.
Anyone else that wants it can get it for $15, including shipping and handling.
And I paid for all the mastering myself.
The J-cards are really high quality.
The songs are great.
I've got a song called The Heart of the Gray Matter.
It's so moving.
One of the women in my support group came up and started crying.
She said, I can't believe that song is so healing.
It talks about what it's like to be waiting for an experience to occur.
Did you write any songs about him?
Well, he's got a line in the song.
It says, I start to pace, splash my face and draw my shades.
My eyes are getting heavy and I sense how quickly a warrior's courage fades.
Could be a dragon, or a reptile, or a man in black that moves in the shadow.
You know the creature on Star Trek that is reptilian-like?
Yes, I do.
What's his name?
As a matter of fact, I told you, I have a new job over at... No, don't give that out.
Listen to me.
What is his name?
You know, I saw the map today.
I want to say Tork, but I don't think that's... It's not Tork.
It's like Gorf.
Oh God, I can't believe I don't know.
But, you know, actually on Star Trek, several times they have shown how he courts a female of his own species, and it's one really rough love affair.
Well, some people like it rough.
Yeah.
The thing is, you know, it's funny, I met the makeup artist, the one who does the aliens, I'll tell you, Gene Roddenberry was tuned in, as they say.
Had to be, because look how long ago that was.
Yeah, he was an incredible man.
As a matter of fact, you know, I sang for his last five birthday parties.
You're kidding!
No, my band played, well, not my band, I was working with an agent at the time, but that man was so incredible, he introduced himself to every member of the band and sat there in front of us I've been listening to the show.
followed it with amazing right look there's a lot of people talk to you of
course you know so let's see what we've got a lot of you just never know
this is true first-time caller line you're on the air with Pamela that mean that you
oh my goodness okay this is marianne sunnydale up cam like that I've been
listening to the show I did not hear your original interview with our art bill I'm there were a whole lot more
stations now so a lot a lot of people would not have heard that first
interview Okay, well I'm with KSFO, so I think it's been on for a while, but at any rate, I heard what you said about it being a tantric experience, and I have a question for you.
Was there more than one experience with your reptilian lover in a tantric way, and did your energetic experience of him, since you don't have a name for him, Did your energetic experience of him draw him towards you when you would think of him energetically?
I have felt his presence many, many times.
As a matter of fact, it's interesting because Barbara Lamb shared with me, and this was And I'm sure she won't mind me telling you that.
Barbara is the one who regressed her.
Yeah, this woman is so incredible.
She is a shining beacon in this field of research.
So what did she say?
She actually, in a conscious state, met a reptilian that came into her living room and shook her hand and disappeared.
Now, this is a woman who's very well respected.
She's credentialed.
This is the full extent of that relationship, though, is a handshake.
Yeah.
Well, and the thing is, what she did... All right, now, you're not answering the caller's question, Pamela.
Pardon?
You're not answering the caller's question.
Oh, but the question was that I had two other experiences, I think I mentioned, with the reptilian, and it was extremely sensual, organic, but, yes, it was aggressive.
But that's the only thing I can describe it as.
Organic, sensual and aggressive.
So I have a question beyond that then.
You mentioned earlier in your conversation with Art Belda this evening that when you became aggressive the entity disappeared.
Scared him away.
So did you need to remain in a yin receptive state where he was dominant to you in order to experience the No, I don't think that's necessarily the case.
I think that it had nothing to do with sustaining a sensuality, but I think what really is the key here and what I've found is a way to, in some way, control the interactions, and that is to present yourself as an equal in the interaction.
That's totally tantric.
Exactly, and the thing is I didn't even put it together as that, but I realized that I've been able to control and stop my interactions by getting out of fear.
Presenting myself as an equal, not a victim, and really seeing that being through loving eyes, connecting with them.
It's like, you're not going to rape me, we're going to rape each other.
No, we're going to connect, because I recognize that identity in you.
Well, it wasn't rape.
I guess it's not fair to call it rape, but it was.
Men have a different vocabulary.
But I would like to interject here, so therefore this was a A spiritual as well as a sensual or sexual experience for you in terms of an orgasmic blissful state.
Absolutely.
I could not have participated in that way if it hadn't had that connection.
The conjugation was a God experience in the body.
Absolutely.
Alright, well thank you very much.
Remember, it's our prejudice that has demonized The very presence of reptilians.
Interesting you should say demon on part of the born-agains.
I've got to ask you, you know, because they will.
I guarantee someone on one of these lines is going to come at you like this.
Well, they're the ones that I got the most threat from.
Do you realize that you had sex with a demon?
Well, that's what I got a lot.
And again, I believe that, again, it's a prejudice because I You know, I don't believe in the devil or in Satan.
I think Satanists are just bad Catholics, you know?
you know i believe in the good and the evil in men's heart prices a jay
cortes wildcard liner on the air with uh... pamela Hello.
Oh, wow.
This is me, huh?
Only you know that for sure, Mr. Hairdresser.
This is unreal.
Where are you?
I'm in Tennessee.
This is Jim.
I'm in Nashville, Tennessee.
Yes, Jim.
I'm also a first-time caller.
Yes, sir.
This is a very interesting... Yes, it is.
...subject.
I don't even know where to start asking questions.
I didn't either.
It just sort of rolls on.
I mean, you must have something.
Well, she says that she feels like it was a spiritual connection.
Yep.
That she had this... Yeah, but all women say that.
Yeah, that's true.
All women want that.
They all want that.
That's right.
And that's how he was able to connect with her mentally because they do all want that.
Right.
I feel like that's why she was able to be comfortable like she was with the situation.
You know what I wonder?
I wonder if This spiritual connection was not like it is here on earth, many times one-sided.
In other words, Monica Lewinsky may have thought she had some great spiritual connection with Bill.
But you know what?
Really, does it matter?
Does any perception matter but your own?
Well, that's right.
That really is true.
In other words, you perceived it as a wonderful emotional experience, whether or not The green guy.
Absolutely.
Well, the thing is, we can never experience how much someone loves us.
All we can experience is how much we really love ourselves.
And that's all we can project, is how much we love ourselves.
We can only have our own experience of love.
We can have something reflected back to us, but it's like a big circle.
It goes to them, but back to us.
But it's still coming from us.
There you are, caller.
I'd like to know how long she thinks it will be before books come out.
I'd like to read her book definitely.
You would.
I definitely believe that she has had an encounter with something.
No doubt in my mind.
Well, thank you.
There's a lot of people having these same encounters and I'm glad that she came out of the closet with it.
Well, thank you.
I appreciate that.
I just finished the proposal.
I've got the first three chapters and the introductions.
uh... in the hands of a an agent in new york at least and uh... hopefully i'll
be able to get an advance and uh... finishes i have mentioned pamela i i i
presume that you could uh... you could then afford to quit your job and uh...
paid full-time attention to your book are you out after i've been about
terrible you said that
when you look at his mouth it's it's it that that you would compare it to like a
crocodile well Well, more crocodile than human, but still.
What about the tongue?
I really am not aware of a tongue.
But lizards have tongues.
I guess so, but we didn't kiss.
No kissing.
The only thing that the entity did was he did lean down by my neck.
And that's the only, only... Did he chew on your neck?
No.
Or give you a reptilian hickey?
No, it was simply that he was in that area.
All right.
Houston to Rockies.
You're on the air with Pamela.
Hello.
Yes, this is me.
Yes, you.
Where are you?
Williamston, South Carolina.
All right.
Very small town.
I have a question after.
I just want to say, though, our small town, we had in our small local newspaper, you know, a lady who said that She saw a reptilian creature enter her house and he was more or less just observing.
In South Carolina?
Yes, sir.
It wasn't... I've never heard... I turned in to the radio session that night and heard this and I hadn't heard anything about it, you know, since.
I hadn't heard anything about it anywhere else.
I thought it was just, you know... Oh, no.
Look, we're used to this.
We open the lines.
Last time we did it a year ago, we got the same kind of thing.
Pamela, there's another...
Reptilian sighting for you.
I know, and that's why it's really important for someone to be talking about this, because I know the answers are out there.
If we're all brave enough to come forward and talk about it, maybe we can get together.
I think it's important to even ask, Pamela, how many women are involved with reptilians, or for that matter, how many men involved with reptilian females?
Well, that's why I'm out here, because I got letters from both men and women Hundreds of letters?
I got hundreds of letters.
That's really frightening.
Yeah.
I mean, that is... Not to mention the emails I got.
I mean, they are so stunning.
I had to do a chapter.
I could do a whole book on what happened after your show.
I could probably do a sequel with what's going to happen after this show.
Probably.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Pamela.
Hello.
Me?
You.
Oh, yes.
This is Bart from Utah.
Yes, sir.
And also a first-time caller.
I'm glad to finally get through.
It's a pleasure.
Yeah, this is also a test for all my Utah affiliates.
Is that right?
Please, please continue.
I'm a verbal advocate for your show.
It's not very well known here, actually.
But anyway, I'm just finding it very hard to believe.
I'm not really.
I shouldn't be finding the state of sexism and whatnot today.
But for me, quite honestly, it's really not that hard for me to understand Listening to her story and where she's at, she's spent obviously a lot of time reflecting on whether it be mystical things or whatnot.
I just returned from a year of traveling abroad, India and Asia.
For somebody that's actually doing enough soul search and reflection.
You've made some good comments.
I've heard her talk about reflecting.
But this is not like an Indian or Asian girl show.
No, no.
I'm not assuming that.
Have you seen the photograph?
No, I haven't.
Well, you've got to visualize it.
rendering on the way that the idea of you know i i i think you're just you you
may have made it a a a lord to war from star trek now i don't i don't even know war
he's right don't want to get more I've got the real thing, you know?
Another comment, actually, and I'm completely heterosexual and quite active at that, but I recently had a girlfriend that was quite aggressive.
And like to bite, and she referred to it as, as, as, um, Klingon sex.
Klingon sex?
That's what I was asking.
She must be another reptilian queen.
Yeah, yeah.
It's worse.
It's worse.
Can I ask her what she thinks?
Well, Robert Morning Sky thinks that the reptilian queens from Lemuria are back.
Oh okay.
In this incarnation.
So before you really speak up sir, you would have to see him and then translate in your mind to a female version of him.
Well I was in my mind and then the image itself I think is not important because I agree with, I don't think that's the point.
I think most men are missing the point.
They have this completely sexual Thank you.
You give me hope.
Yeah, that's me.
That's me.
That's me.
I admit it.
So, in other words, you understand all of this.
a very very yeah that's me dominant that's negative of that any good
relationship i admit it that it is based on completely like like physical pleasure
and i don't know if you know you understand all of this
but you see if you look at it i think all men out there that have actually
done the work on the internet and i'm thrilled uh... well and i think another point of the time i'm also
very good close friends with the a woman
i walk in a bit that i won't move on what you know i'm not sorry about that
There was a physical aspect to this, sir.
Excuse me?
You can't escape that.
There was a physical aspect to this.
Sure, sure.
I want to ask you this question before I respond to that.
but i i think that one that that that the reason i want to ask you this question before it before you very
quickly respond to that
I think I know why you're a very active heterosexual man.
You sound fabulous.
Why's that?
He actually sounds like one that would understand, doesn't he, Pamela?
Yeah, he does.
All right.
Encouraging.
Well, we're at the top of the hour.
Hold on.
My guest is Pamela from the high desert, which will answer Once we hear the question, this is Coast to Coast AM.
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Morning, everybody.
Pamela is my guest.
She'll be back in a moment.
Um, Pamela?
Yes, I'm sorry.
You know, in Area 51, the alien interview, they showed this creature like a typical You know the large eyes and the very small mouth and not like your guy at all.
Well, I saw The Grave as well and I can tell you that that video looks very real to me.
I haven't seen the whole video.
I just saw the snips.
In fact, I would love a copy of that.
I'll make you a trade.
I'll bring you a CD.
For a copy of that.
Of the Alien 51?
I'd love to see that.
Alright, I think we can work something out.
Cool.
Now listen, you owe me for making me divulge.
You know you do.
I've got a piece of a song.
I know it's not going to be great quality, but I have it queued up on my CD and I want to play it.
20 seconds.
Alright, 20 seconds.
It's called I've Got an Alien This Time.
I've got an alien?
Yeah, you're gonna love it.
Alright.
Alright, here we go.
Let her rip.
Listen up.
What the hell?
Man, this is the blues.
energy. This message comes in loud and clear. And your love I feel is on my mind. I've got a
feeling in this time. With a cosmic align. Only he could break this curse. I've got a
feeling in this time. I love you. Anything to earn. And the only you could ever be. I've
got a feeling in this time. Screaming out.
Oh, Pamela, that's... You rock.
I almost thought at first it sounded like the blues, you know?
You rock.
But it's just like you were screaming that out.
Oh, yeah, baby.
It's like you can feel what you must have felt.
Yeah.
All right, here's a fact.
It says, congratulations to your guest, Pamela.
If all of us on Earth could see that as a universe, we're all one, Then we'd all be much better off, unfortunately, with the simple prejudices we have here.
We can expect humans to accept... How can we expect humans to accept any other species?
That's from Wendy.
It's true, isn't it?
Well, I always say that, you know, planet Earth is kind of like the rednecks of the galaxy.
You know, we just have... We're like bad children that are getting out of the playpen, you know?
And I think that's probably why we've seen so much extraterrestrial intervention over the past 50 years.
Because we are literally getting out of the cosmic playpen.
And it won't be tolerated.
You know, we're going to the bathroom in our backyard, you know?
Hey Pamela, your guy didn't sound anything like this did he?
I don't know, I can barely hear you over the helicopter activity.
You're telling me there's helicopters coming over you now?
Oh yeah, I had a helicopter incident outside my bedroom window.
You mean they actually dropped down like blue thunder and they were looking in your window?
Well, that's another thing that's going to be in the book.
Some things that went on with that.
I started an activist group about a year ago when I realized what was going on.
And I had a meeting over here and a girlfriend was here.
She showed up early and she said, what is that sound?
And I said, it's outside my bedroom window.
Come and take a look.
And there it was.
Yeah.
One of those big ones with the double numbers just hovering.
You're kidding.
Oh no.
And I've had, could you see anybody in the cockpit?
I've had, I've had nights when I had headaches so badly.
Just at the drop of a hat, I would get one, and I couldn't sleep all night.
I was just... Not too many times, apparently, when he was there.
Generally, when he was there.
Yeah.
Oh, really?
And you didn't say, sorry, I've got a headache?
Oh, no, not him.
I'm sorry.
No, I'm talking about the helicopter.
Oh, of course.
I don't know what that connection is.
First time on our line, you're on the air with Pamela.
Hey, Pamela.
Yes.
I have a question for you.
Sure.
You say there's all these mind control projects, these 147, if I remember you correctly, that the government's had.
Right.
That we know about, yeah.
Oh, that we know about.
Right.
Well, I think you're underestimating man, because if there are these shapeshifters, as you claim, I tell you something, I would think they could be able to program neurology and actually manufacture these.
Quote aliens or shapeshifters as military servicemen.
Oh, I see.
In other words, these are actually military guys posing as reptilian creatures.
Well, that's very possible.
And like I say, I think it's all of the above.
I think that maybe we're some macho, macho marine.
I think the military may have cloned individuals I mean, I can only imagine the genetic experimentation that we are doing right now.
That's almost unimaginable.
I know we're doing it.
We've been doing it for years.
Four years.
You just know that's true.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Pamela.
Thank you, R, for taking my call.
Sounds like you're calling from the bottom of a barrel.
I'm trying to disguise my voice so that other people, friends that may be listening, won't recognize me.
There's no reason to do that kind of thing.
Pamela's out here up front with her voice, and you're doing this?
Okay.
Alright, that's better.
Okay, but no names or areas.
No names.
You've got 45 seconds before they triangulate.
Go ahead.
Well, first of all, I don't mind about the military.
They'll find out anything they want to find out, and that's okay.
But first of all, let me call attention to 1 Kings 3 through 12 as my giving glory to the Lord for giving me the strength to make this call in the first place.
My wife and I, we've been together for 13 years.
We have a five-year-old daughter.
She's just lovely.
She had a 14-year-old son.
He's 14 now.
Our entire time together has been one big alien extravaganza.
We've witnessed UFOs together.
I videotaped them.
I've never sent them out anywhere, though, because they're... Come on, we've got to get to the bottom line.
The question is, is, um, is, is...
Yes, yes, yes.
The question.
The question is... I forgot.
Oh my God.
Okay.
Listen, just deal with the experiences.
Just know it's happening and stay open.
That's all you need to do.
And don't judge.
Don't criticize.
He was trying to say he's got a human wife, he's got a human child, and he forgot his question.
Well, you know, maybe his daughter's having experiences.
I mean, I remember the last time that I was working very high profile celebrity assisting After I had done your show, everyone was laughing and talking behind my back.
One guy walked up to me and he said, you know, I have something to talk to you about.
He said, I have a daughter who is six years old and she's been telling me about her nightmares with these beings.
She saw one on TV and he said, I don't know what to tell her.
He said, I know everyone is laughing at you, but I really need to ask you something.
I told him how to handle the situation.
And for all the people that laughed at me, there was that one person that I helped.
The guy was almost in tears.
Yeah.
So I know that, you know, whatever.
You've got to walk beyond the criticism and the ridicule if you want to get to the heart of the gray matter, you know?
The heart of the gray matter.
You could probably avoid that phrase.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Pamela.
Hello?
Hello.
Hey, hey.
Hey.
I have a question for you.
All right.
Where are you?
San Antonio.
All right.
The question is, she had mentioned earlier that she had had some experience with astro-projecting.
The question is, did you meet with this being on a different plane?
On the astral plane?
Or did he really walk into your living room?
This is interesting because the entity was in my bedroom and like I said I've been through some really amazing experiences and some terrifying experiences.
Physically in your bedroom?
Well that's my perception and I can only tell you that when I astral projected I came back with no symptoms of anything having gone on And I believe that, I mean I went to places where people were half human and half animal and they tore at my flesh and I woke up in my bed and nothing was wrong.
But I have awakened with physical symptoms from my gray abductions and from the reptilian abductions.
So all I can tell you is, I mean when I met my four daughters I came back into my bed.
That night I was so freaked out I couldn't go back to sleep.
That night I noticed that my lower arms were really sore.
And I remembered my little girl grabbing my arms and holding on to me for dear life.
And I had bruises between my wrist and my elbow the next night on my arms.
What about him?
Did he bruise you?
I've had some bruises.
I don't know exactly if they were induced in that manner.
I tell you, I was pretty out of it at that point.
Dealing with the experiences, and I didn't do the body checks that I do now.
I mean, I've noticed new little scoop marks.
And I think I mentioned to you earlier that I think the hybridization process is finally a success.
All right.
Ma'am, anything else?
Heck.
So much more.
There's so many questions.
Okay, yeah.
Do you think that because of your astral projecting history, I absolutely do.
I think that's why I woke up to them.
I'm a real fearless soul.
I will do just about anything.
Obviously.
In another way, I'm a sensationalist.
Whatever comes my way, I will try to deal with it and be an equal to that experience.
That's just something that I've been taught.
I think it's important that everybody understand that Your astral projection and your physical encounter are two entirely different things.
Well, now, I believe that there are many instances that I am on an astral plane dealing with certain incidents that I have, but I, again, I think it's all of the above.
I can't pigeonhole these experiences.
I can't put them all in one little neat corner and say that's what they all are.
It's really difficult to research and figure this stuff out, because you're dealing with an interdimensional being.
That's them.
We're multidimensional beings.
We don't even know what we're capable of.
We don't know where we go at night.
Now, if you were the mother to four gray children, did you bear any children for the reptilian?
I was afraid you would ask that.
Oh, there is a good answer to it then.
Yeah, I don't know if I should go into it.
They could be coming up my driveway right now with a crown of thorns, you know?
No, you should absolutely go into it.
Will you tell me one of your scary episodes?
How, Pamela, can it be any worse than having grays?
I mean, if there was a sexual coupling that follows, there could be... I mean, it's an important thing to understand whether Reproduction can occur between different races of beings.
Yeah?
Yeah.
I mean, the greys, they may have just done some sort of artificial insemination, but this is an entirely different matter.
So, did you bear a half lizard?
I suspect, because I had a false pregnancy last November, and it was the first time that I had... I had had the other false pregnancies Ten years ago.
And I didn't think anything of them because I thought I was doing too many drugs and I just sloughed it all off.
But this time I was consciously aware of my experiences.
You were doing drugs?
I was freaked out.
You were doing drugs?
Long ago.
Okay, so not connected with... I don't do anything.
For a long time I haven't done anything.
I can't afford to do that now because I need every bit of of center and composure to deal with what I deal with.
These beings were not supplying you with drugs, were they?
Not that I know of.
But you did?
I think maybe.
I don't know for sure.
I, like I said, had a false pregnancy and I questioned it in a session that I did and it seems that that is a possibility.
I don't know for sure.
You know, some of this stuff I may never know for sure.
Let me tell you something.
I'm being communicated right now with a guy from Romania.
And he has a son who will come on the radio, if I let him, and swear that he met another boy who, when undressed, had a tail.
Yes, ma'am, I've had a tail.
We've seen that many times, like in the Enquirer and things like that.
You know when I did your show last time I got an email from a woman in Brazil who's head of a UFO research group there and she was totally fascinated because she said that there are so many reports of reptilian interactions in Brazil.
I mean that's one of the things I'd like to do with the advance of my book is possibly go there and interview with her because I know there are accounts outside the United States where people aren't so afraid to talk about this.
You know, where sensuality is celebrated and sexuality is celebrated and not manipulated and repressed as it is in our society.
We are a very Victorian society, aren't we?
We really are.
And I guess the thing with the President?
Well, the thing is, I think it's kind of sad that it takes something like Monica to bring him down when there are so many other issues.
You know, Pamela, Monica is not bringing him down.
Well, he's bringing himself down.
You don't really believe the media and the polls, do you?
When a third of the black budget is spent on media control?
Oh, how do you know that?
Twenty-three million dollars.
Where's my part?
CIA abuses.
Where's my part?
Where are my tax dollars going?
I'm not sure I believe that.
I'm now a big part of the media.
Well, you're one of the bastions of freedom and freedom of speech.
You really are a beacon, and you tackle subjects that no one will touch.
Oh, that's for sure.
But, you know, it's funny.
I won't go into this heavily, but I started this activist group, but I'm working on a case that's very volatile.
And, you know, they really wanted to be on your show.
And I understand that you need to put on what you want to put on.
And I said to the people that I'm dealing with, I said, look, you have to understand, there's only one show across this country that will put me on.
Those 200 shows that will handle that story wouldn't touch me with a 10-foot pole.
All right, Pamela.
Hold on on that note.
We'll go to the bottom of the hour.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
I'm Art Bell.
Pamela is my guest if you have a question.
That's what the telephone's for.
From the high desert, this is Coast to Coast AM.
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Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 5th, 1998.
Give in this time and show me some affection.
We're going for those pleasures in the night I want to love you, feel you, wrap myself around you
I want to squeeze you, please you, I just can't get enough And if you move real slow, I'll let it go
I'm so excited I want to love you, feel you, wrap myself around you
I want to squeeze you, please you, I just can't get enough And if you move real slow, I'll let it go
I'm so excited, I just can't hide it I'm about to lose control and I think I like it
I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it I know, I know, I know, I know, I know I want to
You're listening to Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 5th, 1998.
Pamela's my guest right now.
Good morning everybody.
It's great to be here.
And we're sort of letting it all hang out tonight.
We'll hold on to Pamela for another 25 minutes or so and see what information we can glean.
Additional information about the secret love life of Pamela.
Let's see, where to go?
East of the Rockies?
You're on there.
Hello, Pamela?
Yeah.
This is Mike from Atlanta.
How are you doing?
Hi, Mike.
How are you?
Pretty good.
been adopted dot dot dot dot bill last night from atlanta i hope you remember tonight he remembers okay
uh...
i've had uh... that i talked to you last night i've had a lot of pics
revelations are way because uh...
of what happened to me and uh...
you started to begin to remember is what happened I began to remember, see, because I started having these experiences when I was about three or four years old.
Hopefully not with anything, well, I guess I shouldn't say that.
I mean, did you have experiences like Pamela's?
Yes, and... With reptilians.
Right, and they also... No, no, no, not right.
With greys or... With greys or reptilians.
Yeah.
Well, with greys and tall.
Tall beings.
Yeah.
Very tall.
You have to understand, there are so many species.
I mean, we have to get over this, the grave, and that's it, you know?
I mean, even Robert O'Dean says that there are 17 species that the government knows about.
That's a fact.
He does.
He does.
You're right.
Wes for the Rockies, you're on the air with Pamela.
Good morning.
Morning.
How are you this morning, sir?
Well, all right.
That's good morning, Pamela.
How are you today?
Fine, thank you.
I just wanted to, I know you don't like scripture art, But I'm a Christian.
It's not that I don't like scripture, it's just that I figure scripture is for Sunday, you know.
Gotcha.
But what I thought I'd mention real quick is, like, I mean, I'm a Christian and I'd like to speak up for all the true Christians that, you know, I'd like to apologize on behalf because, like, I mean, anyone that calls themselves a Christian goes around threatening people, Pamela.
isn't doing what they're supposed to be doing anyway.
And she said, and judging.
And judging. No, that's totally incorrect and that's not right.
And on behalf of all true Christians, I'd like to apologize for that.
Oh, well, thank you.
Hey, no problem. I mean, that's what it's about.
My brothers and sisters just don't know any better and that's okay.
We're all heading to the same place.
It's just a matter of how we get there, how much elegance we have.
I wonder about that.
Are we headed to the same place?
Yeah, I think so.
I just think it's going to take a few people longer.
I always say that abductees get on a bullet train to consciousness.
Aren't you afraid you're going to get to the pearly gates and the old bearded guy is going to look at you and say, you did what?
You know, I don't believe in that punishing and rewarding God.
I believe that the consciousness, the creator, is so much bigger than all that.
Sherry Steiger said it.
No one has the patent on God.
Well, you really do listen, don't you?
Absolutely.
All right.
First time caller on the line.
You're on the air with Pamela.
Yes, Art.
I'm on?
Yes.
This is Bill from Vista, California.
I'd like to speak to you via Kogo.
Kogo, of course.
Yes, sir.
And my question for Pam is I had a really scary, similar experience, I think.
Oh, and with all these things, morphine and different things, from a little silver ball in size until things like about two feet tall, three feet tall, and then these six footers that had a skin that would be like a reptile, but actually closer looking, would be more like a weave, like a shirt, a bodysuit-like.
And that the eyes kind of look like they were just kind of pasted on, like reptile or cat eyes just kind of pasted on the outside of that.
Does she think of anything along those lines?
Well, I've seen many renderings and I've seen many renderings of like men in black and all kinds of weird beings that are possibly cloned, possibly Extraterrestrial in nature that the government may even be in contact with and using.
It's so amazing, really, when you start to research this field.
It's so wide open that to sit there and box things up is impossible.
Everyone has their own experiences and we really owe it to each other to get this stuff out and try to put the puzzle together.
Well, I wish you'd write to me.
Also, you've got an email address too, don't you?
I do have an email as well.
And can I give out the other address?
Yeah, yeah.
But give the email first.
What is the email?
Galactic, G-A-L-A-C-T-I-C, underscore, it's the little underscore, diva, D-I-V-A, at Telus, T-E-L-I-S, And I believe that the email address is also on your webpage.
Okay, that's galactic underscore diva, D-I-V-A, at telus, T-E-L-I-S dot org.
Right.
Alright, now, the address, your actual address.
You want to give it or shall I?
It's M-S-M, showing you here I pay attention.
You do.
M-S-M, 171 Pier Avenue, that's P-I-E-R Avenue, number 395, In Santa Monica, California, where all these kinds of things happen, zip code 90405.
You got it.
Now, is that attention or what?
You're good.
Thank you.
Well, your index fingers also turned into a pen, right?
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Pamela.
Well, hi.
Thank you for accepting my phone call.
Sure.
I have a two-part question, Art.
I ask that you bear with me here.
All right.
Pamela, I'm a little Even talking about it, I get chills down my spine.
I know those feelings.
Where do I start?
When I was 15 or 16 years old, somewhere around there, I fondled around with astral projection.
Heck, I didn't know any better.
Then one night, I thought it was all in my head, a dark haired guy, really clean cut, Like I said, this is going to sound crazy, but he came up in my mind or whatever and said, what do you think you're doing?
And then I got this fear, tremendous fear.
There was this, it almost looked like a tyrant, I want to say a tyrannosaurus rex, but six feet tall.
It's the same kind of sort of teeth feature too.
In other words, kind of a reptile.
Yeah, the eyes were...
I mean, when I opened my eyes, my room was spinning and the thing was still there for at least a second or two.
Well, see, now, look, that can happen.
In other words, if you go flitting about in that state, you are liable to meet creatures.
In other words, Pamela, isn't it entirely possible that in an out-of-body experience You could meet a creature that then you could have a later physical encounter with in the real world.
I think so.
I think that our physical reality is extremely tenuous.
I think we could turn our head and look into an alternate parallel reality.
I mean, that's how electric and awesome this experience of life is when you tap into the multi-dimensional being that you are.
You know, I think Stephen Bassett said it, that once abductees have walked Past this physical domain into a post-paradigm world where nothing looks the same.
I just can't believe how you're able to quote my guests.
You really must be a solid listener.
Well, I'm just a really solid researcher.
I really need to find out the answers to this stuff.
I understand.
Alright, here's to the Rockies.
You're on the air with Pamela.
Hello.
Hello there.
Hi, where are you?
I'm from St.
Cloud, Minnesota.
Okay.
The only question I have is, is there any concrete proof of what she's saying is true?
It's a damn good question, actually.
Pamela, you have a drawing up there for us, a rendering of what he looked like.
Beyond that, has he ever given you any little reptilian trinket?
Well, you know, that's not the level that we're dealing with, Art.
well john mac makes it really clear but it is a fair question of the things that
the hardware hound need to prove that they will never have
A saucer could land in their backyard.
They'd still tear it apart trying to find out if it's real.
But look last night at Dr. Lear with physical evidence of implantation, that sort of thing.
Absolutely.
Well, I think that's a great area of research.
It is.
And it's a fair question then that somebody would ask you for physical proof of such a story.
Yeah, I agree.
And the thing is, I can't give them any physical proof.
When I have the false pregnancy, I try to get a sonogram But the night before I went I had an experience and I hemorrhaged for eight days.
Oh God.
So I don't know what to tell you except that I've done my best to try to get that physical evidence.
Suppose you'd have had that sonogram and it would have turned out to be a picture of some sort of... Well would we even know?
Because our embryos look like Uh, a pig embryo, a reptile embryo, they all look similar at that point anyway.
Um, and like I say, you know, abductees have their own, um, proof.
You know, I mean, I've never seen a flying saucer in the sky.
I've been aboard a spacecraft, but I've never seen the hardware.
I understand.
All right, uh, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Pamela.
Hi, Pamela Lennart.
Hi.
Uh, okay, this is the first time I've called, but I got a real kind of interesting question.
The video that she made, is there like the alien and stuff in it?
I don't think she made... Did you make a video?
Well, I did the regression video.
And I've done a couple of videos on the hybrids and stuff like that.
So in other words, are the graphic details in the video of the regression?
The only graphic details are the things that I talked about.
Yeah.
Okay.
Because this night I saw on my rounds, because I'm a security guard at this one place, Somebody was watching a video.
I don't know if it was a tape.
It was on a large TV screen.
He got really paranoid when I walked in on him.
It was a dark-haired female with a reptilian who was green.
Now, this was a film that a friend of yours had?
No.
As I said, I'm a security guard.
I'm checking doors.
Open this door, and there's a guy sitting there with a remote control in his hand.
He saw me and freaked.
And he was watching a video of... I looked at the TV screen that he was watching, and there was a woman laying on the bed who had dark hair.
Uh, uh, dark kind of like a, uh... Okay, well, that's not Pamela.
Could be a B-movie, you know?
I mean, there have been B-movies.
Well, no, it seems kind of freaky because it's, uh, like, it was, you know, like, at 9 o'clock this night.
Okay, well, you can rest assured that's not Pamela.
She doesn't have dark hair.
No, bleach blonde.
Yep.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Pamela.
Hi.
Hey, Art, uh, I was cut off a second ago.
Um, well, I don't know.
It depends on what you were saying.
Uh, I was Micah from Atlanta and I was cut off.
No, Mike, we can't finish that conversation, but I thank you.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Pamela.
Hi, my name is Javier from Portaville.
Portaville, yes, sir.
Um, you might know me, I sent you an email from Santa Cruz.
Uh, anyway, uh, I had a UFO experience back in, uh, 72.
Does this, do you have a question for Pamela?
Yes, I do.
Okay.
It's regarding sex with the UFOs.
Not sex with UFOs.
Oh, well, something like that.
No, not even something like that.
This is a reptilian creature.
Now, it might have been from a UFO, but that's like saying you have sex with a Buick or something, because somebody's driving a Buick.
Come on.
Okay.
Well, there was an entity that was in the room, but before that, actually, I do remember being abducted In fact, if I can go a little further past, I had for some reason had an astonishing feeling to dig a hole, a round hole, in the woods where I used to live back in Bettendorf, Iowa.
Dig a hole?
Yeah, a hole that had to be a certain diameter and depth.
And it took me a while and for some reason I felt like there was a deadline.
Well, there's a hollow earth story and idea that's very hot.
Maybe they were trying to get him to dig down to that or something.
You never know, but I know all the caves are off limits.
It's a felony now to walk into any cave.
What?
Oh, yeah.
Why would it be a felony?
I always tell you about these laws.
Remember the extraterrestrial exposure law?
Yeah, of course, I know about that, but what do you mean it's against the law to walk into a cave?
Well, supposedly, and I'm sure one of your listeners knows the details on this, but I think, I don't know how many years ago, it's now off limits and a felony to enter any cave.
I find that hard to believe.
And, you know, Indians have talked about the lizard people for many generations.
That's true.
That is true.
First time on our line, you're on the air with Pamela.
Oh, hello, Pamela.
Your description of the reptilian made me think of the biblical Adam and Eve, where Eve got knowledge of good and evil.
Well, you know, I have my own theory on Adam and Eve and the fall and the serpent.
I really think that the Anunnaki came down to this planet and interbred possibly with the apes.
And that that was really our fall from grace.
That was the temptation.
That was the knowledge that we got of who we really are.
And I think that all of biblical history really needs to be redefined and re-examined.
I'll tell you something, Pamela.
There's a lot of people out there who are going to think that you bred with a devil and that you produced Nephilim.
You produced these half... Well, I think we all did.
You know, and I think that we've been in contact with these species.
I think they may even be an experiment.
But biblically, there was a big flood to rid the earth of these one time before.
Well, but they say that reptilians were found on the ark.
It's hard to... You know, there's another book called The Lost Stories of the Bible.
You know, we have to remember that that was sanitized and sanctioned before it was written, too.
Yeah.
Caller, anything else?
No.
I'll wait for your book to come out.
Oh, well, thank you.
All right.
I'm really surprised and pleased that you are writing a book.
I think it's great.
Well, thanks.
Well, hopefully you'll do a little acknowledgement or something.
Sure.
I have to run the chapter by you for your approval anyway.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Pamela.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi.
Hi.
First of all, I'd like to give glory to God and His Holy Spirit for touching the lives of Christians out there who listen to your show.
Also, I have a question for Pamela.
Yes?
What gives these entities, or whatever they are, the right to interfere with people's lives?
Again, interfere?
People who are going through their life, you know.
Again, interfere?
My husband doesn't think I'm having an affair, but they make him think.
Because of weird, extraordinary circumstances.
I didn't always believe it.
Wait a minute.
Everybody hold it for a second.
Hold it.
Caller, your husband thinks you're having an affair?
Yeah.
And I would not, you know, I would not.
Well, I understand that.
Look at another man.
Well, maybe you should play this tape for him then.
What tape?
The one you're making right now.
Right now?
Yeah, on the air.
So why does he... He wouldn't lie to Art Bell.
He obviously doesn't believe you.
Why does he think this?
No, no, no.
No, no, no, no.
Why?
The extraordinary circumstances in my life.
You know, like things happening at a certain time.
Like?
So you think you're having interaction?
That I may be leaving.
Like what?
Like... You think you're having interaction?
Stop.
Like what?
Are you... Are you having an... She's asking the right question.
Are you having an interaction with another being?
Um, I don't know.
Um, I have had, you know, dreams, you know, I remember from my childhood, but any interaction that I'm having right now, other than seeing UFOs in the sky.
That wouldn't constitute an affair.
No, I don't think it does either.
But other than UFOs in the sky, I don't remember anything except for weird events going around.
And I know, I can't possibly explain them.
Well, you must have told him something to make him think that.
Oh, no.
Nothing at all?
No.
So he's just plucking this right out of the air?
Thin air?
I guess so.
Well, I guess, listen to Leo Biscaglia and Carolyn Mace and maybe that'll help you a bit.
They're really incredible, incredibly self-empowering people.
Maybe time for one more.
Used to the Rockies, you're on the air with Pamela.
Hello.
Where are you?
This is Rich in Bloomington, Minnesota.
Alright.
Do you think there's any truth in what Jim Morrison said about being the Lizard King?
I didn't even know he said that.
Kind of came here all confused and twisted when he reincarnated or something.
Well, I think we all come here pretty twisted and confused.
Right.
But we're remembering, we're waking up to who we are.
Right.
And I'm just calling to support you.
I mean, you're a really nice lady.
If I wasn't in love with this other woman, I'd definitely like to date you.
Well, maybe next lifetime.
Okay.
You mean you could get past the whole lizard thing, no problem?
Well, you know, I believe what she was saying about all of above.
I believe in a lot of the Eastern philosophy that life is an illusion.
If you put it under a microscope, you can see through things.
It's a big cosmic soup, isn't it?
Right.
Alright, well, you know, there you go.
I would say on balance, Pamela, about 80 or 90 percent support for you on the phones.
I know.
Well, you know, it's amazing.
You and I can never have a short conversation, can we?
No, no, no, no.
Well, I don't have short conversations with anybody, Pamela.
Well, thank you for indulging me with my music.
Oh, it has been a pleasure to have you on.
Boy, I'll tell you, you really belted that thing out.
Well, I'm going to send you a CD.
You need some new bumper music, although I love the stuff you play.
Your wife has great taste in music, by the way.
Yeah, I know she does.
Oh, you like the bitch song?
Oh, I love it.
All right.
Well, hey, Pamela.
What a pleasure.
Yes, as always, Art.
And thank you for all the work you do.
Okay.
And all the fearless researchers out there.
All right.
Good night.
Good night.
Well, that's it, folks.
We are out old time.
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