Pamela Stonebrooke, a 1998 Coast to Coast AM guest, describes childhood "scoop marks" and encounters with shapeshifting reptilian beings—soft-skinned, telepathic, and linked to past-life memories—claiming they vanished when she asserted dominance. She ties military harassment (including drugging and injuries) to her public revelations, citing 800+ German scientists recruited post-WWII for mind control research under programs like MK Ultra. Stonebrooke’s book, co-authored with someone in Hong Kong, will compile global accounts, from a Romanian boy with a tail to Brazilian abductions, challenging demonization as government-orchestrated prejudice. Her experiences, blending spirituality and aggression, suggest extraterrestrial diversity beyond fear-based narratives, questioning media reliability amid alleged $23M CIA disinformation. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, as the case may be across this great land, and welcome to another edition of the very best in live overnight talk radio, stretching from the Hawaiian and Technian Islands in the west, eastward to the Caribbean, across this great land of ours, south into South America, north, all the way to the Pole.
This, of course, is Coast Coast AM, and I'm Mark Bell.
And we have a busy, busy, busy morning this morning.
I'm going to give you severe whiplash before this morning is over from last night's program.
So I'm not going to give it away.
But what I am going to tell you is that you immediately should be going to my website because there are photographs up there that are going to go along with what Peter Davenport is about to say regarding whales and dolphins and what's going on.
I've got some news on that front.
First, though, I want to recommend a movie.
And I don't recommend movies very frequently, but boy do I have one for you.
Look it up in your guide.
It is called the Trigger Effect.
The Trigger Effect.
And it documents, I think, better than any show you'll ever see, exactly what would occur and how civilization would come apart if something as simple as a regional or total power failure would occur for a serious amount of time.
I mean, you have never in your life seen anything like it.
It just documents exactly the way society would come apart.
Now, the trigger effect can be seen on Stars 2, anybody has stars 2, today, later today, actually tomorrow, depending on your time zone, or on HBO on the 20th.
You can catch it on HBO on the 20th.
Anyway, check your guides and find a movie called The Trigger Effect.
You've got to see it.
Now, I'll get into some of the material that I've got sort of leading into Peter Davenport's report on the whales.
I mean, you've got to see the photographs he's got up on our website to go with the story that he's about to tell about these whales and the U.S. military.
Let me read to you from the New York Times very quickly an article entitled, If Climate Changes, It May Change Quickly.
In the debate over global warming, there's been a widespread assumption that if humans are changing the Earth's climate, the effects will be felt gradually and smoothly, making it easier to adapt to the change.
But a growing accumulation of geologic evidence now makes it ever clearer that in the past, the climate has undergone dramatic change in temperature and rainfall patterns in the space of a human lifetime, a decade or even less time.
Unbelievable, huh?
Scientists do not know for sure, but the question is giving them serious pause.
The climate system is an angry beast, and we are now poking it with sticks, according to Dr. Wallace S. Brocker of Columbia University's Lamont-Dougherty Earth Observatory, who was one of the first to raise the alarm about climate change.
He said, quote, we don't know whether it's going to pay attention to the pokes, but if it does, it might rise up and do something we don't like.
In uncovering one of the latest pieces of evidence of abrupt climate change, American scientists led by Dr. Jeffrey Severhaus of the University of Rhode Island examined climatic clues taken from the corings of ancient ice in guess where, Greenland.
Now, I have no idea whether it is related to the climate change or related to something we are doing or others are doing or just bad water or magnetic lines.
I have no idea.
But this morning I bring you yet another sad story.
60.
I repeat, 60 sperm whales are dead after just beaching themselves in Tasmania, committing suicide.
In Tasmania, sperm whales are big.
Pilot whales, maybe.
But when sperm whales beach themselves, you have something absolutely gigantic.
They had sperm whales as large as 30 tons beaching themselves in Tasmania, virtually committing a suicide.
What the hell's going on, is the question.
And here from the UFO Reporting Center in Seattle, Washington, somebody whose door we've been knocking on frequently lately, is Peter Davenport, who just might have a clue as to what's going on.
And I'm delighted to have an opportunity to be addressing this subject.
Probably most of our listeners don't know me well enough to realize that I'm as much a biologist as I am a ufologist Currently, the beaching situation, the beaching phenomenon is very, very interesting to me.
It has been for the last quarter century, ever since I took an extensive course in biological oceanography down in Pacific Grove at a marine biology facility there.
The beaching phenomenon, in my opinion, and I think in the opinion of many people who are studying it full-time, is probably as totally unexplained as it was 3,000 years ago when the Greeks wrote about it extensively.
We really don't know what's going on there, but it is very interesting.
And when I stumbled upon that photograph some six years ago that is apparently on your website tonight, I haven't seen it yet.
A very interesting photograph that has mystified me for six years, Art.
I have ruminated and mused on that thing for six years.
It's the only evidence I believe I have that brings the U.S. government, more specifically the U.S. military, together with cetaceans.
But there are other more subtle things in that photograph, I believe, that may be taking place.
And I throw it out to you and to our listeners to see if somebody can explain to me some of the mysteries that, to my eye anyway, appear in that photograph.
It is a very, very interesting thing, although on the face of it, it's very simple.
You've seen it.
All it is, is a short-finned pilot whale being dumped out of a U.S. Air Force UH-60 Blackhawk helicopter.
And according to the brief captions, which are under the two photographs, they appeared in Seattle newspapers on the 29th of April 1992.
I opened the paper that morning.
I am a voracious consumer of newspapers.
I love to read them.
I opened the newspaper and saw that photograph.
And in about 15 seconds' time, after perusing it and reading the caption, my attention was riveted to that photograph.
It was telling me things that seemed significant at the time, and they seem even more significant now.
I have not been able to explain away, to my own satisfaction, some of the elements of that photograph that have the military interfacing with a short-fin pilot whale.
Now let me give a little background to those readers who may not have access to the photograph.
The caption points out that the whale being dumped out of this helicopter is one of about a dozen or perhaps more, maybe 15 or 16 short-finned pilot whales.
These are organisms that weigh about 2,000 or 3,000 pounds.
They're pretty sizable.
That were found sometime in March of 1991 beached on a remote beach somewhere near Key West down in Florida.
The mysterious thing about this beaching, there are two mysterious things about that one, however.
First, they were rescued.
Now, exactly how or why they were rescued is still not clear to me, although there may very well be somebody out there who knows the full story and who can set me straight as to the explanation of this incident.
That can be done sometimes on beaches where whales are wont to beach themselves, and that happens quite frequently, particularly down in Tasmania and New Zealand.
There are beaches where the whales come every year and beach themselves.
It's not known why.
It's part of the mystery art.
Sometimes they have boards with canvas slings, and they can roll the whale over on the canvas, and then they get a group of people to lift it up and carry it back out into the surf.
Now, at that point, the mystery gets even deeper because very frequently, and I don't know at what frequency, but very frequently the animals that are returned to the surf and allowed to cool down and apparently recover from their normal exhaustion swim right back up to the beach and try to kill themselves.
And that is part of the mystery.
Nobody knows, so far as I am aware, nobody knows why they do that.
All right, well, instead of pulling it back out into the ocean, why would our military scoop a bunch of 15, 16, whatever it was, whales up, why would they scoop them up and take them away and for how long and to do what?
And as the very brief captions point out, and there were no articles that accompanied these photographs, somebody had a budget that allowed them to lift all of those creatures, and I presume airlift those creatures some 200 air miles from that beach near Key West over to Miami,
where they were housed in some kind of marine environment or tank, let's say, medicated and fed and rehabilitated for some 13 months before they were released 150 miles off the east coast of Florida.
Well, I have penned it out, and this is why the whole thing is a bit mysterious.
It's got to be a million-dollar operation.
Those whales consume, I'm told, between 20 and 50 kilograms of fish every day in captivity, and that fish runs, let's say in rough-round figures, between $1 and $2 per pound.
So we're talking hundreds of dollars per day of board for these organisms, these whales, and there are about 12 to 16 of them.
Now, it is unexplained at this point who picked up the tab for those whales, but even at this early point in their rehabilitation, it looks like a government job.
I know of very few organizations, let's say Aquaria, that have that kind of budget to commit to the resurrection of whales, only to release them 13 months ago.
And I've been told that a Blackhawk helicopter, a UH-60 Blackhawk, costs somewhere between $2,000 and $6,000, maybe even $8,000 per flight hour, depending on the conditions in which it flies.
And then, figuratively speaking, he suddenly heard his mother calling him to dinner and he had to go immediately.
He did not want to talk about that issue arc.
Now, I explored it further and was told that those Blackhawks were enlisted as a training function to teach the crews how to deliver packages, if you will, out to sea to a specific point at sea.
But it doesn't make an ounce of sense to me.
I have since then talked to many, many helicopter pilots in the military, and I have asked them point blank, before they even know what I'm getting at, would you ever fly a helicopter 100 miles out to sea, away from shore, for any reason whatsoever?
And they usually look at me as if they think I'm some kind of person who believes in UFOs or something crazy like that.
Most of them roll their eyes in their heads and they say, are you crazy?
But in point of fact, I've discovered that there was not one, but three helicopters involved in this operation.
Cut to the bottom line, Art.
There were three large helicopters, military helicopters, that were enlisted to carry roughly up to 16 whales, two per flight, 150 miles out to sea.
They dropped them in the ocean, allegedly, and then flew back.
You have three helicopters exposed to loss for approximately two hours.
The hour they're flying out, 150 miles, and the roughly hour that they're flying back.
I look at that photograph.
Now, admittedly, I'm a bit unusual in the sense that I am a UFO investigator.
I look at the world completely differently from the way most folks do.
But it seems highly unusual to me that somebody would expose three very expensive helicopters and their crews to do nothing more than deliver a handful of pilot whales out to a, allegedly to a pod of whales 150 miles offshore.
To my eye, this is a very, very high priority military operation.
The only remaining question is why did they do it?
And does it have to do with something that does not meet the eye or that most people would not even think about?
And one thing I want to point out is that it appears to be, at first blush anyway, on the face of it, a civilian operation.
At least it may have started that way.
And I posed the question to my listeners.
Have you ever tried to get a piece of military equipment for a civilian operation?
It is almost impossible.
And moreover, can you imagine what a general's response would be if you went to him and you said, General, I want to borrow three of your $12 million helicopters to deliver some sick fish on the military.
All right, but why would the military hold on to 13 pilot whales for 13 or 14, for 13 months?
And then haul them 150 miles out to sea and dump them in the ocean.
We have the photographs.
Go take a look.
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And that is one of many things that makes that photograph, to my way of thinking, very, very intriguing.
I hope our listeners can get a chance to look at it because it says a lot.
Now, up to this point in the program, I have given sort of a general outline of the situation portrayed by that photograph.
There's one little detail I haven't mentioned yet, and this is the really mysterious part about all of this.
Those whales were not only found on a beach near Key West, this is now about March of 1991, not only were they found beached, but they were grossly disfigured.
Disfigured in the sense that their flukes or their caudal peduncle, what one would be inclined to call their tails, were grossly turned.
They were bent at 90 degrees to the long axis of their body off to the side.
Now, under most circumstances like this, when animals are beached, they're usually euthanized.
If they can't be returned to the water, or if they're returned and they insist on beaching themselves again, a veterinarian or someone qualified will destroy the animals so they're not allowed to suffer.
I presume, Art, that there are people out there who may know the answer to that question.
That's part of why I'm so delighted to put this issue before so many listeners tonight to see if there's somebody who can help me solve this mystery because it is a mystery.
As far as I can tell, I have pursued this one for six years and I have not succeeded to date.
What would induce the military to spend the type of money that would be necessary to rescue, to house, to feed, to medicate, and rehabilitate 16 whales, only then to turn around and spend,
by my calculation art, those eight flights by three helicopters 150 miles offshore or so, I estimate cost the American taxpayer somewhere between a quarter million and a half a million dollars.
That is a sizable, sizable taxi fare.
Why, for example, would the people who possessed those animals or who had medicated them for those 13 months not simply open the gate to their pen and let them swim out under their own steam?
Somebody, I reason, was terribly, terribly interested in those whales to house them for well over a year.
And then, moreover, to carry them out in very fancy machines, risking the crews and the machines themselves.
Blackhawk helicopters, I understand, go for somewhere between $10 million and $20 million, depending on the model.
Now, why would anybody in his right mind fly one of those craft 150 miles from shore, if the captions to the photographs are correct, 150 miles from shore, only to drop the cetacean in the water and then fly back to shore and get another one and do it over again?
There's got to be some reason somebody was terribly, terribly interested in those animals.
Well, you can imagine, I suppose, that if they were going to re-beach themselves or if there was a concern about their re-beaching, taking them 150 miles out might lessen that possibility because they'd have to go an awful long way to re-beach themselves.
That's the only thing I could think of off the top of my head.
Look, I went and I visited the Air National Guard in Alaska, and I can tell you this.
They do not fire up a Blackhawk and go out on a rescue, even a rescue mission, Peter, without a very, very serious reason because of the cost.
It is tremendously costly to fly them, as you have pointed out.
So I just, you know, I think the overall question of why our military would be involved at all under any circumstances with whales for a 15-month period of time, I think that's just beyond my understanding.
The fact that they were not destroyed, the fact that they had bent tails, and I'll come back to that point in just a moment, the fact that somebody on very short notice had some mad money totaling at least a million dollars, I calculate, probably more, to throw at a group of whales.
Now, if it had been some kind of commercial operation, it's almost understandable.
They had a group of whales, they would train them for performances and so on and so forth.
But in this case, if we can believe the caption, if we can believe the photo, they were treated for over a year only to be released to the wild again.
Now, of course, we can't rule out that there might have been somebody with a magnanimous streak to his soul or her soul who has a love for cetaceans, as I think most human beings do, certainly a respect, and decided to treat these animals well.
That is certainly possible.
In fact, it could be said of the government.
Maybe they have some kind of fund for resurrecting injured animals like this.
However, let's go back to the bent tail for just a moment, Art.
I have talked to a number of marine mammals specialists out here at the NOAA facility, trying to discover why a whale like that would have its flukes, its tail, bent to the side.
Now, as most people know, the flukes, the tail on a porpoise, when it swims goes up and down, not side by side.
The major muscle groups move the flukes up and down.
The muscle groups that move the fluke to the side are much less well developed.
It is a mystery to all of them why these animals, so far as I am aware at this time, I am not a cetacean specialist, but I have not succeeded in finding one to date who can explain to me the rationale behind why the flukes would be bent to the side.
Now this is where the rub enters.
The thing that caught my eye about this incident was the similarity in the deformation of the tails to the deformation that, for example, is seen in crop circles, the deformation of the grains or rather the stalks of grain that are now frequently seen in bona fide crop circles.
And the work that many, many crop circle specialists have done points out very clearly that this is the case.
Dr. Levengood, Colin Andrews, many are working on that problem.
And the results of their work show the same thing, that in the instance of a bona fide crop circle, the stalks can be, oftentimes are, bent at up to 90 degrees.
In fact, I've seen that myself in a crop circle we had out here in the state of Washington.
I think it was formed on Memorial Day of 1993.
I walked in that field and I saw that very phenomenon.
The other thing that comes to mind from UFO lore is a few of the cases from the southwestern United States in which UFOs were seen to fly very low over automobiles and they bent the antennas at a 90-degree angle.
There are several cases that I'm aware of.
I'm sure there must be more that I'm not aware of.
The intriguing thing about this is to consider whether if an alien organism were to come to the planet Earth, is there anything that says that the human organism here on this planet would be the only biological form that they would be interested in?
That is my response to there is every argument that I can imagine that would say they certainly, certainly would be every bit as interested in all other intelligent organisms, and the cetaceans are certainly that.
For many, many years, when I studied biology, humans were congratulating themselves on just how intelligent we were.
We're at the top of the intelligence tree, if you will, in the biological field.
The only interesting thing about that is it's not true.
For one thing, we argued that we had the largest brains in the biological world.
That's not true.
We really don't, do we?
I believe I'm correct in saying that the bottlenose dolphin has a larger brain than man does.
The other criterion we used was the brain mass to body mass ratio.
We congratulated ourselves on how much of our weight was dedicated to brain.
Again, I believe I'm correct in saying that, again, the bottlenose dolphin has a higher brain mass to body mass ratio than man does.
Now, the real clincher was the third criterion that we have used to argue our intelligence for years and years, and that is the percentage of our brains that is dedicated to neocortex.
The neocortex is that outer shell of the brain where the higher thought processes occur, where things like personality are thought to dwell, and so on.
Well, the bottlenose dolphin and perhaps other cetaceans, but I believe the bottlenose has up to 98% of its brain dedicated to neocortex.
So clearly, I cite these things to underscore the fact that those organisms are very intelligent by any measure.
I may stand corrected down The road by people who have accumulated a great deal more knowledge about these organisms than I have.
I am a marine biologist in a sense, albeit not a specialist when it comes to cetaceans.
But these are things that I have read from seemingly credible sources.
I cite them to point out the fact that any organism coming to this planet almost certainly would be as interested in cetaceans as they would be in human beings.
Maybe they would be the reason, in fact, that somebody or something would come to visit here, period.
Look at the classic Star Trek movie.
I mean, it's not beyond reason.
Anything we can think of and imagine can occur, and it could well be that they are some sort of very special marker species on this planet, and that they have intelligence that we don't begin to understand or communicate with, but that others would, and they would be the reason they'd come here, not us.
Another thing I would cite is the fact that they do not have weapons.
It's true, they don't have tools, they don't have an opposing thumb and forefinger, for example, many of the things we describe about human beings, but they do not have weapons, they don't have wars.
That may be explained by a higher frequency of cetaceans.
I don't know what the trend in population density is of those organisms in various parts of the oceans.
But there are three theoretical reasons for beaching.
Some people have cited the biological reasons.
For a long time they argued that it was due to parasites in their ears, due to predators, due to the fact that their echolocation system was paralyzed or thwarted by some condition or another, something along those lines.
Nobody has ever been able to prove any one of those theories.
Now for a long time, some people argued that it was due to submarines.
Now when a submarine touches off its active sonar, that is pings trying to find a target, a submarine puts out an immense whopping load of energy for a short period of time.
Now some have argued that that might serve to frighten cetaceans.
I don't think that's the case.
Moreover, submarines very, very rarely use their active sonar.
After all, they're trying to go undetected.
You can't do that by tinging every so often.
Certainly they don't do it in shallow water as well, I'm told by submariners.
And the third issue, and this is the one that I throw out tentatively, this is only but a theory art, is could there be some kind of interaction taking place in the marine or aquatic environment, but marine environment between cetaceans and UFOs or aliens, whatever you want to call them.
There are some fascinating scholarly works done on the presence of UFOs in the marine environment.
That is certainly the next step in the chain of logic, in my opinion.
But I would invite people to look at those photographs on your websites.
I think after they've analyzed them carefully for perhaps five or ten minutes and they've read the captions and they've sat and ruminated on what the significance of that photograph is and all of the facts that are reported about it, I will be very curious to know whether I am crazy or whether there's something very special about this photograph that does not meet the eye and which could be potentially very deep, very profound.
If you would like a response from anybody out there, how would they get the response to you?
And don't forget, folks, $5 or $10 donations to the above address or the address you're about to hear would be very much appreciated for the work Peter's doing.
We're going to a place that few would venture to go here in a few moments, and I'm going to give you from last night's program, Whiplash.
But I've got a few announcements I want to repeat at this hour.
And they are, one, I rarely make movie recommendations.
I'm not Siskel, nor am I Ebert, but I want you to see a movie called The Trigger Effect.
It's called The Trigger Effect.
Get your guide and look it up.
It's on Starz 2 later today, this morning actually.
Not too many people get Stars 2, I guess.
But it'll be on HBO on the 20th.
Or, no doubt, you can go rent it or somehow guam onto it.
It's called The Trigger Effect.
And if you want an incredible study of what would happen to the human race, the human being, if something went wrong, any little thing like suddenly losing power, you know, lights, television, radio, computers, power, electricity.
You want to know what would happen?
You go watch The Trigger Effect.
It is a phenomenal movie.
I'm getting a lot of agreement on that from those that have seen it.
So there's my movie recommendation.
My wife taped it yesterday, and we watched it after the program yesterday morning.
And man, oh man, oh man, what a movie.
Now, our climate would appear to be changing.
The New York Times, 127.98, a brand new story.
If climate changes, it may change quickly.
Past warnings or coolings occurred.
Warmings, rather, or coolings occurred in decades or much less.
From the New York Times in the debate over global warming, there has been a widespread assumption that if humans are changing the Earth's climate, the effects will be felt gradually and smoothly, making it much easier to adapt to the change.
But a growing accumulation of geological evidence is making it ever clearer that in the past, the climate has undergone drastic changes in temperature and rainfall patterns in the space of a human lifetime, in, in fact, a decade or even less.
Now, many experts believe that late in the next century, concentrations of gas will double their pre-industrial levels.
Should that happen, mainstream scientists say the average surface temperature of the globe will rise by 2 to 6 degrees Fahrenheit compared with a rise of 5 to 9 degrees since the depth of the last ice age to give you some idea of the scale of the rise.
Scientists don't know for sure, of course, but the question gives him pause.
Dr. Wallace S. Brocker of Columbia University's Lamont Doughty Earth Observatory said, the climate system is an angry beast, and we are poking it with sticks.
He said, we don't know whether it's going to pay attention to the pokes, but if it does, it might rise up and do something we are not going to like.
Now, I say this as the forecast for the Oregon coast earlier today, and I presume that still holds, is for somewhere between 70 and 90 mile-an-hour winds.
I talked to Bob Crane in Northern California a little while ago, and he said the winds were howling up there.
Definitely a concern when you have rising directly above you 100-foot redwood trees, which tend to come down in these kinds of winds.
The East Coast is getting clobbered.
The West Coast, if you've looked at the weather forecast and maps through the weekend, it is absolutely horrendous.
Horrendous.
I have told you now for the last two years that I believe the climate is changing, and I think the evidence is now here.
The last hour we spent talking with Peter Davenport, 60 more sperm whales have beached themselves in Tasmania.
These are not little whales.
These are sperm whales.
These are up to 30-ton giants that just decided they'd do away with themselves and beach themselves in Tasmania.
We have a couple of photographs on the website right now that are total blowaways.
Peter Davenport brought them to us.
And they show U.S. military Blackhawk helicopters dumping whales at 150 miles out to sea, 150 miles out to sea.
These are whales the military kept for up to 13 months.
They beached themselves, the military collected them up, did something with them for 13 months, straightened out their tails.
They were bent.
The tails were bent, like crop circle wheat.
military kept them for 13 months and then utilized Blackhawk helicopters to take them out two at a time, like Noah, and dumped them into the ocean 150 miles out of Tin.
We've got photographs.
You go take a look at the helicopters yourself.
You'll see a whale actually getting mid-air coming out of a Blackhawk helicopter.
Stammed the thing you ever saw.
The way you see that is go to my website at www.artbell.com.
Scroll down to where you see the name Peter Davenport as a guest and click on that.
You'll see the photographs.
And as he said, you better go up there and sit and ruminate about what you see a little bit and wonder why our military would do such a thing.
Last night, we had a very, very serious program on the subject of abduction.
We had Dr. Roger Lear and Daryl Sims, and they brought with them pictorial evidence of implantation of human beings with what has to be alien technology.
The electron scanning microscope photographs are up there for you all to see.
You just go take a look at them.
Be my guest.
It was a staggeringly important program with regard to the abduction syndrome.
And this morning, we're going to present yet another program that has to do with the abduction syndrome, but not quite the same material.
Here from Southern California is an abduction victim.
Now, I'm not sure it's fair to call her a victim.
She is Pamela.
And we will call her only Pamela, abduction victim.
Well, I know, I thought of getting Peter Gerston involved, and I thought, you know, do I want to walk down that road?
I take so much hits and ridicule about this as it is.
I mean, you know, you become aware of something that's so incredibly profound, and you want to share it with the world because you feel that it's important, and you literally have to keep your mouth shut with both hands in almost everything you do in your life.
And it's very challenging because I really believe it's something that I think disclosure is imminent and that we can't really get this information out fast enough to prepare ourselves.
I have a very good girlfriend who is an incredible script supervisor and told the story to the wrong person and the next day it was like flying like wildfire and she was canned.
I believe they had contacted John Rhodes about using some of his drawings and one of the drawings was the one that I described of my reptilian entity to Pissara so they had to call me to get permission.
And then the producer started asking me questions.
In fact, I have the whole transcript of my Strange Universe interview.
I made a point to get it before I wrote my book because what they edited, it will clearly show that it was kind of like a 60 minutes deception tape where they really make it look like you're an idiot and sensationalize everything you're saying without using the substance of what you're saying.
It is, but you know, the thing is, Art, and since I had this experience and went public with it, I can't tell you how many letters and emails I've received from people having the same experience.
Do you suppose that the reptilian-human interaction and your reptilian consort that it's sexual in the same way that it's sexual between a man and a woman?
You know, I've had sex, in other words, sex for the sake of sexual.
I mean, I've seen the reptilians described as sort of a warrior class, sort of as, you know, like sort of what our soldiers would do if they walked into a foreign land.
I had a lot of letters that ridiculed me, but I will suggest those that ridicule and use profane language to use spell check because inevitably they were the ones that I could barely read.
The people that notified me that had real experiences were the most eloquent And articulate and sensitive and compassionate people.
And so many people thanked me that I literally had tears in my eyes reading some of the letters.
And I've helped a lot of people process these experiences because I've come into a place of being able to control them within the interaction.
You, of course, have to understand that it's very difficult for the average person, not another experiencer, or not somebody who's born again and wants you unborn or something.
And I think we left off at the point, Pamela, where really, I mean, if you're really being honest, Pamela, you've got to admit that you did make a rather definitive statement that reptilian sex was better than human sex.
Well, it's very possible that I was meeting myself or an aspect of me or someone that I knew from that time.
I firmly believe in past lives, and I think it's very possible that we have been all of these species at one time or another, or at least a good number of them.
And since metaphysics has taught me that there is no past, present, or future, we have access to these particular realities that we might have been a part of.
I was in a pet shop, believe it or not, and I saw the bearded dragon, and all of them were at the side of the cage opening their mouths to me, and I jumped back because it was almost like a memory of some kind.
Well, I don't even think a courtship type thing or a thought in that direction is even important because, like I say, I felt a connection as though we were connected maybe for eons, you know.
Boy, I'll tell you, if human guys only had that ability to impart that feeling to human women, there wouldn't be near the trouble on this planet we have now.
Like I say, I believe that I was needing an aspect of myself.
I think I was being reminded because in my regression, one of the things that she asked me was why I had such a connection with this particular race.
And I saw myself on a hill with my fellow warriors.
I was a male reptilian in this life.
And we were basically, we Knew that the end was near.
We didn't know exactly what it was.
We didn't have weapons.
Our minds were our weapons.
We were preparing ourselves mentally for our doom.
And I remember looking at the other beings, and there was such a sense of love and knowing that we were going to perish.
And a red cloud, I don't know if it was radiation or what, came over.
And that was when I came out of the regression.
But she asked me why I would be in touch with the reptilians in this lifetime.
And the answer, wait a minute, you're going to love this.
The answer was that the same thing is going to happen here on this planet.
There is an end in sight.
Maybe it's a precognitive prophetic vision that I have, but that many of those warriors from that time that went through that are reincarnated now to experience it once again.
Well, this again is something we have to remember.
We cannot blanket statement any extraterrestrial species because we can't blanket statement human beings.
There are good ones, there are bad ones, and then when you take it out into the universe, into the cosmic realm, we're talking about from the past, from the future, evolved, unevolved, physiologically but not spiritually, and vice versa.
And I believe that I was in a lot of fear because it was so shocking to me visually.
But once there was a telepathic communication, I started to calm down.
And I said to myself, you know, I've been through a year and a half of gray abductions that were so shattering to me physically that this, obviously I'm not going to die.
That's the conclusion I came to from going through so many abduction experiences.
And I will tell you another incident which I wasn't going to share because it all sounds so outlandish that even I sit back and I go, how am I ever going to even tell my abduction support group about this?
But I sing on the weekends.
I'm a singer.
And I had a gig in Pacific Palisades about, I guess about seven or eight months ago.
And it was an Asian wedding, and it was couples.
Everyone was down in the yard.
It was like a three-tiered backyard.
And the band was set up at the top with the bar, and all the guests were downstairs having dinner.
Dinner had started, right?
Two guys walk in, dressed in black with sunglasses on after the sun went down.
And luckily, I had just seen the film, Men in Black, so I had a bit of a sense of humor about it.
And my sound man came over to me and he said, Diva, well, that's my nickname.
He said, Diva, look at those two guys over there because he had heard your show and he knew what I was going through and knows me well.
And he said, I swear to you, those are men in black.
And I said, listen, JC, the minute I get off a stage, I want you to come with me and we're going to confront them because they're either gay lovers at the wrong party or they're men in black.
So as soon as I got off stage, they were gone.
And I said, look, I know that they were here.
I said, let's go look for them.
They must be in the house because they're obviously not down eating.
We would have seen them go by.
We went out.
I Finally said, listen, let's ask the valets.
We went to the valets, and the valets said, yeah, we saw these two weird guys.
We thought maybe they were bodyguards, but there's no stars here.
And I said, well, I think I know who they were.
I said, what were they driving?
And he said, a black Lexus.
And I said, well, it ain't a Cadillac, but I mean, these are weird guys.
I tell you, Art, the research that I've been doing has been pretty heavy since I first became aware of this.
And I know that many people that have had military abductions right after going public.
And I've had a couple experiences that are actually almost too scary to talk about.
And I know that it happens.
I have a couple theories about it.
I've been researching mind control and have found out some pretty startling things about the disposal program for the mind control victims who are implanted with extraterrestrial abduction experiences to cover covert operations that they might have been involved in.
And so many records are destroyed once they're disposed of.
I mean, it's very possible that on one hand, they're muddying the waters of research for abduction because they've already set the ridicule campaign for abduction in action.
That was a planned scheme on their part to discredit all of us.
You know, let me just tell you one thing, and I think this is really important.
A lot of the experiencers that I've been in contact with, and I've been in contact with an awful lot of them, really go through the same thing.
Finally, we get to the other side of these experiences, understand them, become aware and process them, and become functional again in our lives.
And I'll tell you, at the end of all this, there's only one species that really, truly scares me, and that's the one that I belong to.
I've rarely seen such an angry mob mentality as when a new concept, a new idea, and perhaps a perception that we really need to consider if we're going to face the new millennium is put in their faces.
They simply cannot adjust.
And we've crucified our messengers throughout our history and suppressed truths that we need to get on with our lives and evolve.
And I would just really like to tell your listeners to keep an open mind because the people that come forward with these experiences, it takes a lot of courage to do so.
Except possibly, like I say, I go back to my regression where I was to be reminded of my connection to that species and the fact that I need that mental warriorship to do what I'm going to do the rest of my life.
Because I've walked into a life that I'm now really compelled to share this information and get some answers for myself and everyone else.
Well, I think women are basically more intuitive, and I don't think I will get an argument from anyone on that.
And I think that they sense something about me that is real, maybe that empowers them, that gives them just a little bit of an insight into something that is unknown that they're not afraid to venture into and at least explore and talk about.
But like I say, I don't want to disclose everything because I'm also writing a book and my co-author's in Hong Kong and I didn't have a chance to call him and say, what could I talk about?
Well, you know, I really do have to thank you because one of the reasons that I've been offered to do a lot of other magazines and radio shows and TV shows, and you know what?
I've learned my lesson.
If I am edited in any way whatsoever, I'm not doing it.
I've met a couple of women who went public years ago when it wasn't quite as safe to do so.
I mean, you have to understand, I believe that the UFO cover-up is probably one of the most profound cover-ups that we will ever face.
And I know why, because the ramifications of disclosure are so huge.
We're talking religious, economic, political, you name it, everything is going to crumble.
So as far as our shadow government, because I don't even think our government is aware of what's really going on, but as far as they're concerned, they have to do anything in their power to keep this quiet.
And there have been a couple of women that I know, one in particular, and I'm not going to use any names because I don't want to divulge who they are because I know that this one woman has been absolutely terrorized by the military.
In fact, over a dozen of her neighbors have witnessed her being abducted by the military and interrogated.
And I just want you to know that it's really going on.
Maybe not, but Pamela, it's impossible to believe for most people that you could have a physical relationship with this creature without being the victim of some kind of mind control.
As a matter of fact, a man out there, even me, might choose to believe that the reason you said you prefer the lizard guy to human guys is because of mind control.
Yeah, well, the thing is the things I talk about, and my co-author, we do interviews on the phone.
And, you know, I'm very verbal.
I'm not holding anything back.
And that's another reason why I would appeal to your audience to listen to these accounts that people are bringing forward because we're sharing something with you that is really to our detriment to do so.
They say they're down there in the Bible Belt in a Christian community, and if they told their husband about their experience, they would be afraid that they would be divorced and exiled from the community.
First of all, I mean, I've got a million people want to talk to you like always.
Art, ask Pamela, please inquire of her, at any of the amorous alien encounters, was there a presentation of alien flowers, alien chocolates, or most importantly, alien alcoholic beverages during the courtship?
Yeah, well, hopefully I'll get it out without too many more military abductions.
Well, and the thing is, one of the reasons I'm even talking about this stuff is because if anything does happen, maybe a few people will ask questions, you know, because I'm not going to off myself.
And what I'll do for the people that sent me a dollar, if they send me their name and remind me that they sent me a dollar, I'll look it up and I'll send them a cassette.
I've got 12 original songs, two of which are about my abduction experiences.
The thing is, you know, it's funny, I met the makeup artist, the one who does the aliens, and I'll tell you, Gene Roddenberry was tuned in, as they say.
Yeah, we're on a whole lot more stations now, so a lot of people would not have heard that first interview.
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Okay, well, I'm with KSFO, so I think it's been on for a while.
But at any rate, I heard what you said about it being a tantric experience.
And I have a question for you.
Was there more than one experience with your reptilian lover in the tantric way?
And did your energetic experience of him, since you don't have a name for him, did your energetic experience of him draw him towards you when you would think of him energetically?
You know, I have felt his presence many, many times.
And as a matter of fact, it's interesting because Barbara Lamb shared with me, and this was afterwards, and I'm sure she won't mind me telling you this.
The question was that I had two other experiences, I think I mentioned, with the reptilian, and it was extremely sensual, organic, but yes, it was aggressive.
So did you need to remain in a yen receptive state where he was dominant to you in order to experience the sensual gratification or the sensual experience that you had with him?
I think that it had nothing to do with sustaining a sensuality, but I think what really is the key here and what I've found is a way to in some way control the interactions, and that is to present yourself as an equal in the interaction.
Well, and the thing is, I didn't even put it together as that, but I realized that I've been able to control and stop my interactions by getting out of fear, presenting myself as an equal, not a victim, and really seeing that being through loving eyes, connecting with them.
I just want to say our small town, we had in our local newspaper a lady who said that she saw a reptilian creature enter her house, and he was more or less just observing.
I turned into the radio station tonight and heard this, and I hadn't heard anything about it, you know, since I hadn't heard anything about it anywhere else.
And another comment, actually, I'm completely heterosexual and quite active at that, but I recently had a girlfriend that was quite aggressive and liked to bite, and she referred to it as Klingon sex.
You know, in Area 51, the alien interview, they showed this creature like a typical, you know, the large, you know, the large eyes and the very small mouth and not like your guy at all.
If all of us on Earth could see that as a universe, we're all one, then we'd all be much better off, unfortunately, with the simple prejudices we have here.
Well, I always say that, you know, planet Earth is kind of like the rednecks of the galaxy.
You know, we just have, we're like bad children that are getting out of the playpen, you know.
And I think that's probably why we've seen so much extraterrestrial intervention over the past 50 years, because we are literally getting out of the cosmic playpen.
And it won't be tolerated.
You know, we're going to the bathroom in our backyard, you know.
Well, I think you underestimate man because if there are these shapeshifters, as you claim, I tell you something, I would think they could be able to program neurology and actually manufacture these, quote, aliens or shapeshifters as military servicemen.
First of all, well, I don't mind about the military.
They'll find out anything they want to find out, and that's okay.
But first of all, let me call attention to 1 Kings 3, 3 through 12 as my giving glory to the Lord for giving me the strength to make this call in the first place.
My wife and I, we've been together for 13 years.
We have a five-year-old daughter, and she's just lovely.
And she had a 14-year-old son, he's 14 now.
Our entire time together has been one big alien extravaganza.
We've witnessed UFOs together.
I videotaped them.
I never send them out anywhere, though, because they're the question is, is the question is.
Well, you know, maybe his daughter's having experiences.
I mean, I remember the last time that I was working, very high-profile celebrity assisting, after I had done your show, everyone was laughing and talking behind my back.
And one guy walked up to me, and he said, you know, he said, I have something to talk to you about.
He said, I have a daughter who's six years old, and she's been telling me about her nightmares with these beings.
She saw one on TV, and he said, I don't know what to tell her.
He said, I know everyone's laughing at you, but I really need to ask you some things.
And I told him how to handle the situation.
And for all the people that laughed at me, there was that one person that I helped.
The guy was almost in tears.
So I know that, you know, whatever.
You've got to walk beyond the criticism and the ridicule if you want to get to the heart of the gray matter, you know?
And I can only tell you that when I asked for projected, I came back with no symptoms of anything having gone on.
And I believe that, I mean, I went to places where people were half human and half animal, and they tore at my flesh, and I woke up in my bed, and nothing was wrong.
But I have awakened with physical symptoms from my gray abductions and from the reptilian abductions.
So all I can tell you is, I mean, when I met my four daughters, I came back into my bed.
That night I was so freaked out, I couldn't go back to sleep.
That night, I noticed that my lower arms were really sore.
And I remembered my little girls grabbing my arms and holding on to me for dear life.
And I had bruises between my wrist and my elbow the next night on my arms.
How, Pamela, can it be any worse than having grays?
there was a sexual coupling, then it follows there could be I mean, it's an important thing to understand whether a reproduction Can occur between different races of beings.
I suspect because I had a false pregnancy last November, and it was the first time that I had I had had the other false pregnancies 10 years ago, and I didn't think anything of them because I thought I was doing too many drugs, and I just sloughed it all off.
But this time I was consciously aware of my experiences.
We've seen that many times, like in the Inquirer and things like that.
You know, when I did your show last time, I got an email from a woman in Brazil who's a head of a UFO research group there.
And she was totally fascinated because she said that there are so many reports of reptilian interactions in Brazil.
I mean, that's one of the things I'd like to do with the advance of my book is possibly go there and interview with her because I know there are counts outside the United States where people aren't so afraid to talk about this.
You know, where sensuality is celebrated and sexuality is celebrated and not manipulated and repressed as it is in our society.
Well, the thing is, I think it's kind of sad that we need something like Monica to bring him down when there are so many other issues that you're going to be able to do.
If you have a question, that's what the telephone's for.
From the high desert, this is Coast to Coast AM.
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You're listening to Art Bell Somewhere in Time on Premier Radio Networks.
Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from February 5th, 1998.
So it's all a better news.
We're born for all pleasures in life.
I want to love you, feel you, wrap myself around you.
I want to see you, feed you, and get a look at you.
Real slow, I'll let it go.
I'm so tired.
Oh boy, I want to love you, feel you, wrap myself around you.
I want to squeeze you, leave you.
No, I just can't get enough.
And if you move, you'll fail, I'll let it go I'm so excited, I just can't hide it I'm about to lose control and I feel I like it I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it I know, I know, I know, I know, I want to I want to You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time.
Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from February 5th, 1998.
It's just that I figure scripture is for Sunday, you know.
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Gotcha.
But what I thought I'd mention real quick is, like, I mean, I'm a Christian, and I'd like to speak up for all the true Christians that, you know, I'd like to apologize on behalf because, like, I mean, anyone that calls themselves a Christian and goes around threatening people, Pamela, isn't doing what they're supposed to be doing anyway.
And my question for Pam is, I had a really scary, similar experience, I think.
And oh, and with all these things morphing in different things, some from a little silver ball in size into things like about two feet tall and three feet tall.
And then these six footers that had a skin that would be like a reptile, but actually closer looking would be more like a weave, like a shirt, a body suit-like.
And that the eyes kind of looked like they were just kind of pasted on, like a reptile or cat eyes just kind of pasted on the outside of that.
Well, I've seen many renderings, and I've seen many renderings of like men in black and all kinds of weird beings that are possibly cloned, possibly extraterrestrial in nature that the government may even be in contact with and using.
It's so amazing, really, when you start to research this field.
It's so wide open that to sit there and box things up is impossible.
Everyone has their own experiences, and we really owe it to each other to get this stuff out and try to put the puzzle together.
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I wish you'd write to me and you've got an email address too, don't you?
Pamela, I'm a little, even talking about it, I get chills down my spine.
There was one, where do I start?
When I was 15, 16 years old, somewhere around there, I fondled around with astral projection.
And heck, I didn't know any better.
And then one night, I thought it was all in my head.
A dark-haired guy, I mean, really clean-cut, dressed, and like I said, this is going to sound crazy, but he came up in my mind or whatever and said, what do you think you're doing?
And then I got this fear, tremendous fear.
There was this, it almost looks like a Tyran.
I want to say a Tyrannosaurus Rex, but six feet tall.
In other words, if you go flitting about in that state, you are liable to meet creatures.
In other words, Pamela, isn't it entirely possible that in an out-of-body experience, you could meet a creature that then you could have a later physical encounter with in the real world?
I think that our physical reality is extremely tenuous.
I think we could turn our head and look into an alternate parallel reality.
I mean, that's how electric and awesome this experience of life is when you tap into the multidimensional being that you are.
You know, I think Stephen Bassett said it, that once abductees have walked past this physical domain into a post-paradigm world where nothing looks the same.
Now, it might have been from a UFO, but that's like saying you have sex with a Buick or something because somebody's driving a Buick.
Come on.
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Okay.
Well, there was an entity that was in the room, but before that, actually, I do remember being abducted.
In fact, if I can go a little further fast, I had, for some reason, had an astonishing feeling to dig a hole, a round hole, in the woods where I used to live back in Bettendorf, Iowa.
Well, supposedly, and I'm sure one of your listeners knows the details on this, but I think, I don't know, how many years ago it's now off limits and a felony to enter any cave.