Art Bell - Dreamland with Art Bell - Peter Davenport - UFO Reporting

All Episodes

Previous Next

Feb. 1, 1998 - Art Bell

01:33:47

Dreamland with Art Bell - Peter Davenport - UFO Reporting

Participants

Main voices

peter davenport

33:11

Large

Audio Only |

Scroll

Show episode speakers

Speaker	Time	Text
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Independent sources of information.
		He wrote a very, very nice article.
		He's an aviation specialist.
		He took it to his editor at this major metropolitan newspaper, and he was told: sorry, we don't do articles on UFOs.
		That, you know, I've reported before, I think, on your programs, but this is an astonishing phenomenon that we see very clearly from our vantage point in Seattle.
unidentified		The local laptop, and I went back there the next day, and I didn't see any remains or anything, but it's still, I mean, I've never seen anything like it before.
		Mm-hmm.
		And how long did it last, all told, do you estimate, please?
		About 15 or 20 seconds, I'd say.
		And where were you at the time of the sighting, please?
		I was on Interstate 95, right around Green Cove Springs, Florida, which is between St. Augustine and Jacksonville.
		Headed southbound.
		Came from the east and went west.
		It seemed that it spent most of the time above my corner, and it went west when I could actually see it.
		It was about maybe 75 or 100 feet in the air above the tree line there.
		And that's the last time I saw it.
		It was over like a poor field kind of thing.
		No houses or any other things around it.
		It was pretty much in the middle of nowhere.
		Another thing I want to say, when the light was just ran on my car, it was so bright that I think it may have been like directly at the top of my car because I could see it in all directions at the same intensity, and also I could barely see my dashboard.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It was that bright end.
unidentified		Yeah, and I almost crashed the car because I couldn't see the road at all.
		So by the time it had gone west, you know, I must have ran off the road.
		While I was off the road, I almost ran into the guardrail.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		That was within the last 10 days.
		And the one thing not illustrated in this cut, I talked with this gentleman for about 15 or 20 minutes, and he described in fine detail some of his impressions of what was going on.
		There was a tractor trailer behind his car on Interstate 95.
		Probably he estimates about 10 car lengths behind him.
		And his impression was that tractor trailer locked up his brakes.
		There must be some truck driver out there somewhere in the United States who probably was witness to this incident.
		And if anybody's listening and knows that truck driver, we'd sure like to talk to him.
unidentified		We sure would.
		By the way, I should point out for those who are used to listening to Linda Moulton Howe in this segment, Linda Moulton Howe is down with a serious case of the flu and has been since last Monday with a temperature of about 102, the same thing I went through.
		And so that accounts for Linda's absence this evening and, as a matter of fact, your presence, Peter.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Happy to have you here.
		Your hospitals are bad converted, your rooms are overloaded.
		It's really strange.
		Anyway, you have a number of audio clips for us.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		We do indeed, and I think we'll be playing them throughout the program.
		And one thing I'd like to preface with, too, Art, is that I would like to release some information about those sightings over Arizona on the 13th of March that I have revealed in only very limited circles in the past.
		But it will be the first time that we will share some interesting information or more accurately certain observations as to what was going on across the United States that night.
unidentified		We're talking about the Phoenix sightings of March.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		The Phoenix sightings of the 13th of March 1997 that so many people are trying to call military flares and lasers and other such, I feel, nonsense.
		And we've been working on this for now about nine months, and we've come up with certain observations that I think our listeners tonight will find intriguing.
		We're sure that we don't have all the answers as to what went on there, but it was a genuinely bizarre incident that occurred over Phoenix about nine months ago.
		We'll be talking about that later on.
		This is Wednesday of last week.
		There was some kind of bizarre interaction between two young people up in Standish, Maine.
		It's now under investigation.
		In fact, I gather active investigation.
		It looks like a classic nighttime interaction between two young people and some very strange craft that was seen hovering over a lonesome highway, and there are many of them up in Maine.
		A lonesome highway in Maine just about 6.30 last Wednesday night, East Coast time.
		And I think in about a minute or a minute and a half, our listeners will get the impression of what appears to us serious-minded ufologists to be taking place almost constantly in this country.
		Let me play this cut about, I think, a minute and 20 seconds.
unidentified		All right, I'll tell you what, Peter, I'm not sure we're going to have time for that.
		We're going to go to a bottom-of-the-hour break here very, very shortly, and I don't want to have to interrupt it.
		So we can do that after we come back.
		That'll be fine.
		Listen, give me a little clue about what you were talking about with respect to Phoenix.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's very important when analyzing anything to have sort of a broad scope of what's going on elsewhere that possibly may be related to the primary incident.
		There were certain things that it took us months to discover that perhaps were taking place across the United States in the reconnaissance forces, also with regard to Cheyenne Mountain.
		Cheyenne M. And the security level or the level of military preparedness that may have been declared that night, one of the things I'm going to do is request of our listeners.
unidentified		Are you talking about the DEF CON level?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		The DEF CON level, the defense condition.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It is our belief.
unidentified		All right, that's where I'm going to stop you.
		We're going to hang up the audience here.
		Stay right where you are.
		Peter Davenport.
		The V. The V. What was simultaneously going on at Cheyenne Mountain and elsewhere?
		We'll ask in a moment.
		Is stuck with a rider truck in the state of Virginia with a bad tire in the middle of a snowstorm.
		And he called us on a cellular phone.
		So there you have it.
		Mark Smith will not be with us this evening.
		He will be tending to his bad back, trying to get his vehicle out of the snow in Virginia.
		And we will schedule him for a future dreamland.
		Just thought you'd want to know.
		In the meantime, go to my website and take a look at the link I've got up there.
		If you jump over to that, you'll see what human auras really look like.
		Courtesy of whoever put that website up.
		It is a superb example of human auras.
		That's at www.artbell.com, and it's there right now.
		Go take a look.
		In the meantime, Peter Davenport is here, and I guess to keep the train of continuity on track, we will pick up with the whole Phoenix business.
		Now, March 13th, something gigantic was over the city of Phoenix.
		Two million people below.
		Something really, really big.
		It wasn't flares, and apparently there was more than just that going on at that moment.
		What else was happening, Peter?
		Cheyenne Mountain, what's going on?
		Yeah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Well, I should get my disclaimers in first.
		All of what I'm about to say may be the product of pure coincidence.
		We don't know.
		It's an angle that we have been working on quietly for the last six or eight months, ever since that massive sighting over Phoenix on the 13th of March.
		But there are four things that happened that night.
		Whether they're related or not, we're still trying to put the pieces together.
		But this is how we look at the situation.
		Of course, the major sighting over Phoenix, in my opinion, it was the most massive, most dramatic sighting in the history of modern ufology, and except the last 50 years.
unidentified		Roughly 8.30, I think, or Arizona time to 10 o'clock or 10-something.
unidentified		That's right.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		The first sighting was over Henderson, Nevada at 6.55 Nevada time, actually 7.55 Arizona time.
		The next report was from Pauldon, Arizona at 8.16, and it took it about 15 minutes to get down over downtown Phoenix.
		But that was a major sighting.
		There's no question about it.
		The second incident that we have had reported to us, and it is unconfirmed at this time.
		In fact, that's part of the reason I'm revealing it tonight, is to solicit any kind of evidence that any of our listeners may have that might help us confirm or deny some of these incidents.
		But the second incident that occurred is that a major U.S. reconnaissance satellite went offline, that is, went dark, for reasons that, as far as we know, were not understood at all well and may still not be well understood by the National Reconnaissance Office, which I presume is the entity in our government that supervises those things.
unidentified		Now, let me understand.
unidentified		During the sightings of March 13th, you're saying one of our KH series satellites went offline?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I don't know which satellite.
		All we have learned from an individual in the satellite business is that one of their, quote, quote, birds went offline.
		Whether it was one of the KH-10 or 11 or KH-11 or 12 series, I have no way of knowing.
		Of course, the reconnaissance forces are fairly tight-lipped about these things, and for good reason.
unidentified		So you say you got this from somebody in the satellite business?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That is the ultimate source, is my understanding.
unidentified		Okay.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		The third incident of interest, and we have not been able to confirm this either, but it comes to us from what appears to be a reliable source, is that U.S. military forces were put on an elevated state of military readiness on the night of the 13th of March, 1997.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That was the same night, of course, that the sightings occurred over Arizona.
unidentified		An elevated state of alert.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Not only an elevated state of alert, but it is reported to us, unconfirmed again, that they went from a normal DEF CON 5, Defense Condition 5, which is normal peacetime state of alert, to a DEF CON 3 state of readiness.
unidentified		They jumped right over a 4 and went to 3?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That is our understanding, again, unconfirmed.
		I wish to underscore that point, but you may remember that on Coast to Coast, you broke the news back in mid-April, I think it was April 16th, that they had gone from a state of DEF CON 5 to DEF CON 4.
		They closed the doors at Cheyenne Mountain as well.
unidentified		Well, there was no question about that.
unidentified		That was during the A-10 incident.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		It was shortly after that.
		They closed down Cheyenne Mountain to all visitors, and they were serious about it.
		In this case, on the 13th of March, about a month earlier, they went from DEF CON 5 to DEF CON 3.
		It is reported to us.
		Now, that is interesting.
unidentified		Now, wait a minute, Al.
		They say that UFOs are no threat to national security.
		Yes.
		That's what they say.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That's the official line, isn't it?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It has been for 50 years from the U.S. government, and I think it's time that we get some answers from those people.
unidentified		I would presume there'd be no way to get an answer on this.
		In other words, you could file Freedom of Information Acts until the CALS come home, and they wouldn't tell you when they increased a DEF CON status by two numbers.
		There's no way.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I've actually approached some senior people in the Air Force to ask whether, in fact, defense condition statuses are published publicly, and they guffawed.
		They said, we can sometimes release that information if we wish to do so, but we are by no means required to do it.
		They can go all over the map with those defense conditions, and the American public would never know the truth of the matter.
unidentified		So, again, while the incident was going on in Phoenix, the DEF CON level was rising at Cheyenne Mountain.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That is a possibility.
unidentified		Good heavens.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That is what we think may have happened.
		And if there's anybody out there listening to us who could either confirm that fact or prove to us that it was not the case, we would welcome the information in either case.
		And I encourage people, please do not break the law to get that information to us.
		In other words, if there are people out there who have made secrecy pledges, we do not ask them to come forward.
unidentified		Don't break them.
unidentified		We have no way to protect you.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		But if they can direct us to publicly available information that would give us evidence or hopefully proof that would help us confirm some of these things, we would be more than grateful.
		And one thing I feel compelled to add to that, Art, is that please, if you call the UFO hotline in Seattle, and I'll give that number out before the program's over, please recognize that this number may be monitored.
		We have no way of knowing whether that's the case or not, but do not risk your own reputation or job or safety or any of that to get that information to us.
unidentified		Oh, I'd lay money on it.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That's my feeling, too, but we try to avoid those paranoiac thoughts up here.
		After all, we make it very clear that any of the data we have is available to anybody.
		It doesn't matter whether we're monitored or not from our standpoint, really.
unidentified		There is another Cheyenne Mountain story that broke, oh, I don't know, a month or two ago.
		And I have no confirmation of this as well.
		I don't know if you've heard about it, but I was told that there were quite a number of employees or people who worked at Cheyenne Mountain, apparently civilian employees who worked at Cheyenne Mountain, who stumbled on some information that scared the hell out of them, Peter.
		And they took their families and left Cheyenne Mountain and went to South America.
		Now, I don't know whether you've heard that story or not.
		I have.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I've seen it on the internet, Art.
unidentified		There you are.
		There you are.
		So that would be another one that I would like to have confirmed.
		If anybody has any information about that at all, I would have them contact you, and we will give that number out here shortly.
		So Cheyenne Mountain went to a higher DEF CON status is the story.
		What a coincidence, Peter.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Well, those are the first three of four coincidences.
		The fourth one is what I consider to be the bone crusher, if in fact it's true.
		And again, I say I am, this is surmise on my part, but the same night that the incident occurred over Arizona, 13th of March we're talking about again, was the very night that President Clinton injured his knee to the degree that he required extensive surgery the next morning.
unidentified		My goodness, I recall.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was the night, and it occurred to us immediately.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It piqued our interest, that's for sure.
unidentified		Now, let's see.
unidentified		If there's something seen over a major city, if the DEF CON alert is suddenly jumped a couple of numbers, then it would follow that somebody back in Washington would grab the president and put him into a helicopter or something.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		That is what immediately occurred to us.
		It is part of the reason that we did not reveal this information or even conjecture about it.
		Now for nine months, we have been working at trying to confirm these things.
		We still have not been able to confirm them.
		But if my theory is correct, and it is only but a theory, this is the scenario that I see in my mind's eye.
		An incident occurs over Arizona.
		The evidence is overwhelming, and I have a tape that I can't play on national television or national radio art.
		We are fairly certain that that incident over Arizona precipitated the scrambling of two F-15 fighters out of Luke Air Force Base.
unidentified		Oh, really?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Now, the commanders of Luke laugh and guffaw in response to this query.
		They say, but we are only an F-16 base.
		They are exactly correct.
		I accept what they say on that point, except for the following exception.
		There is a branch of the Air Force that I believe is referred to as Ready Alert.
		Whenever the President or Vice President or any important dignitaries fly over the United States, they are chaperoned by fighters.
		They fly cap over the individual's aircraft.
		That program, to the best of my knowledge, and this is unconfirmed, to the best of my knowledge, it's referred to as a ready alert unit.
		There are such units, small units, all across the United States prepared to scramble at a moment's notice to chaperone the president's aircraft.
		Now, we believe that there may have been, and may still be, a ready alert unit at Luke Air Force Base.
		They used to fly F-15s, so it is not illogical to argue, I feel, that Luke Air Force Base would have all the hardware, everything necessary to support a small unit of F-15s.
		The other line of reasoning I apply is that if you are a commander assigned the task of protecting the president's aircraft, the aircraft of choice would be a twin-engine aircraft.
		That's the F-15.
		They have two engines in them.
unidentified		Correct.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		In lieu of the F-16, which is a single-engine aircraft, presumably, if you're a commander looking forward to your next star or promotion and or a comfortable retirement, you would never want to have to apologize for the president for not being able to scramble aircraft to protect Air Force One, and you would not choose an F-16 to fly that mission under normal circumstances.
		Now, I am groping in the dark.
		I am conjecturing.
		This is pure surmise.
		It's important that our listeners understand that.
		I was an Air Force brat for one year as a kid, and I've never served in the Air Force.
		What I'm applying is logic here.
		Now, the scenario I see in my mind's eye is if that object that was over downtown Phoenix and its wingspan was measured in miles, or whether one, two, or three miles wide, we don't know, but it was intercepted by one of those two F-15s that photographed it with its gun camera.
		Now, under a circumstance like that, I presume word would get back to Cheyenne Mountain.
		Cheyenne Mountain would send word to the White House or to wherever the president was at the time.
		And the cover story or the report is that the president was in the home of Greg Norman.
		I think he's an Australian golfer who has a home in Florida.
		And he tripped on the carpet in the wee hours of the morning.
		We don't know the circumstances of that, but I must say, at the time of that report in the papers, it seemed as though the White House was attempting to gloss over the details of that incident.
unidentified		Oh, they absolutely did, yes.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		They didn't.
		You know, under normal circumstances, you'd have photographs of the stairs where he fell.
		There would be fiber analysis of the carpet, the marks on the banister where he hit his head, et cetera, et cetera.
		I speak facetiously, of course.
unidentified		So obviously, you think they were trying to spirit the president out, and he tripped and hurt himself.
		And then we found out the next day, after everything had quieted back down, and the DEF CON numbers returned to five.
		Yeah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That is a possible scenario, and I seek information if there's anybody out there who can help us either confirm or deny any of these alleged facts or surmises that I've revealed here.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		We would welcome the information.
unidentified		And the number?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		The number in Seattle of the hotline is Area Code 206-722-3000.
		And they can contact me there, or they can send us a correspondence if they'd like to use the mail system.
		Our address here in Seattle is the National UFO Reporting Center, of course.
		And our P.O. box is 456-23 University Station, Seattle, Washington.
		And the zip code is 98145.
unidentified		All right, and we'll get that on again later.
		Everybody will get a pencil and a paper ready.
		Peter, in the meantime, something occurred in Maine just a few days ago, and we have just enough time to get that on.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		This was an interaction between a young gal and with her brother with something up over Standish, Maine.
		Let me just play the tape, and then if we have time left over, we can talk about it.
unidentified		Sure, here we go.
		And my brother saw something that he thought was an airplane, and he said, you think that's an airplane.
		And I said, I don't know, I can't see it.
		And then we got there, like, it wasn't too high up in there.
		It looked like maybe three telephone poles up in there, and it wasn't moving.
		So I pulled over, put my houses on, and looked up above me.
		And there was, it was almost, it looked like it was almost shaped like a square, like a diamond, but with a very vague, like, maybe octagon thing around it.
		And then there was four bright white, yellowish, really bright white on each corner.
		And then in the middle of it, there was a blinking red light.
		And then my lights shut off, and I didn't shut them off on my own.
		And then I got a really weird feeling, and I couldn't move.
		I was just staring at it.
		And then all of a sudden, all the lights went off.
		And then I blinked and looked over, and it had moved across the street over some trees because we had gone out of the car to look at it.
		And the lights went out.
		So when I looked up again, it had moved because we thought it had gone away.
		And it was across the street, like way over with its lights on.
		But this time it was moving.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		When you said the lights went out, does that mean the lights on your car went out?
unidentified		Yeah, the lights on my car went out.
		And I was feeling like really tingly and stuff.
		My insides are feeling like really tingly.
		And I couldn't move.
		And then so we waited, watched it, and it was just like hovering over us, just like not moving, just like swaying from side to side.
		And then the lights went off, so we thought it was gone.
		And then when we looked back up, it had gone across the street diagonally, but there was like no noise or nothing.
		And it was just like gone.
		It was very odd.
		Okay.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Four nights ago.
unidentified		How old was that young lady?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That young lady is 17 years of age.
		She reports to us.
		She was with her, I believe, younger brother on Route 114 near Standish, Maine.
unidentified		Boy.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That is out west of Portland, Maine, 20 miles from the New Hampshire border, straight north of Kenny Bunkport.
		And that was four nights ago.
		We have had about four or five reports similar to this since mid-December last month.
unidentified		From the same area or different areas?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		From all across the United States.
unidentified		All across the U.S. Yep.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		This one, we had one from Ada, Oklahoma.
		I may play that tape later in the program.
		It's a pretty dramatic interaction between two young teenagers out near Ada, Oklahoma, and something that was directly above their tent.
		We're getting reports like this fairly frequently, Art.
		Formerly, in past years, they've been very rare, but they're coming in with a greater frequency, I will say, than has been the case in the past.
unidentified		Well, that's one of the questions I always ask, the frequency of these reports, and now you're saying they appear to be increasing.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		We've had a pulse of them in the recent past, that's for sure.
unidentified		Well, listen, what you've told me about the March 13th Phoenix business is big news, Peter.
unidentified		It's really big news.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I feel that too, Art.
unidentified		So we'll see if we get some feedback.
		In the meantime, I'm going to play this incredible Michigan tape after the top of the hour, and we'll get back in touch with you into the next hour and take calls and play more recordings.
		All right?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Very good.
unidentified		All right, take care.
		That's Peter Davenport, and he will be back with us after we play one of the most incredible recordings you will have ever heard.
		It's raw audio.
		Prepare your recorders.
		Get ready, because I've never heard anything like this in my life.
		You're going to have to listen carefully because it is raw.
		This is Dreamland.
		It essentially speaks for itself.
		It is raw audio of an encounter over Michigan that, as Peter said, thousands, tens of thousands of people saw and was seen on radar If you appreciate the epic,
		who want to record what you're about to hear?
		In some cases, it's going to be difficult to hear.
		This is raw audio and it speaks for itself.
		One center.
		This tape is made from the unaltered master tape.
		The date, 3894, the time 2130 hours.
		Also recorded will be a dispatch conversation with the National Weather Service personnel.
		Have you heard anything about these lights that are flickering up here in the, what is it, the east, east, southeast area?
		It's like a group.
		It looks like a string of Christian lights that's way up in the sky.
		And we wondered if you had heard anything about it.
		Wow, you might have had somebody take a look.
		It's different.
		I've never seen anything like it.
		The airplane's like community with all that.
		I don't know.
		It's strange.
		It's right out east-southeast.
		It's way up.
		And it's just like a circle of a lot of different lights.
		And it's different than any airplane.
		Your address, please.
		All right.
		We're not going to allow the address to be given out over the air.
		We're going to cover that up.
		Looking out the front of our house, it's.
		Gary, what direction did you say that was?
		East, south, east.
		And that's when you're coming down 16th Street, right to Country Club Road.
		If you look to your immediate to your lower right, you're right there in the sky.
		This is something we've never seen before.
		Okay, well, something check it out.
		All right.
		Thanks, sir.
		Mm-hmm.
		You're going to hear a lot of this in between calls.
		Just random tape noise.
		You're hearing a 911 dispatcher.
		911?
		Yeah, um, is this the police?
		Where do the dispatching phone services?
		Okay, um, I don't know if you guys do anything on UFOs at all.
		I got real.
		okay again a cut and a weight Something's going up and down.
		Hold on.
		Are we cussing?
		Okay, what do you have there, sir?
		There was at least four lights, and they were all flashing like a sequence.
		There was a colour like a V. And there was four lights, and they were blinking back and forth.
		And there's no way.
		I mean, the plane's not that wide.
		It went down to three lights, and it put it through the round, like I mean, like it was a circular motion.
		And it's putting it up and down two lights.
		It did the same thing.
		And now with one that just fits the circle.
	Okay, what you mean?
	All right, we're going to cover that up as well.
	By now, the 911 dispatcher is becoming a believer.
	218 straps.
	All right, we're going to hold that too.
	Okay, well, somebody stopped mine.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	By now, he's wondering what's going on.
	central charlie two one sending one down Now listen very carefully.
	911.
	You guys busy?
	I call that sound of real emergency.
	We just called them up in the old closet.
	They're out there.
	Making airplanes.
	Yeah, we've got a car in the way over there, let's see, right now.
	A couple other calls.
	Really?
	I see them too.
	We're out of town.
	I mean, they're just kind of hanging there.
	They came up as a group and they kind of split.
	I bet some kind of hot airblown or healing blow like they ain't airplanes.
	We've got a car in the way.
	He was coming from the downtown area, so he's kind of hanging in the general area.
	It's like maybe the wind might have broken them apart like they would be balloons, maybe.
	I don't know.
	Okay, so we got a call from Stratford Way.
	That's where he's heading first, and he's in head over the ears.
	Okay, yeah, we uh third is dead south of us now.
	South of you?
	Yeah, I want to 16 comes across.
	Okay.
	Hi, thank you.
	I'll ready to you fella, you boy.
	By now, the 911 fellow wants to know what's going on.
	He's about to make a call.
	Under the train?
	Yeah, this is a lot of money because he's ready to cut me off before they come down.
	And I think I'm going to call you a call.
	Air Force airplanes or helicopters flying around in Ellicott or Ottawa County tonight.
	Well, we've had reports on Stratford Way in that area of life, and they're checking it out.
	Stratford Way?
	Yep.
	Now, we're right on Ottawa, on the county line.
	Yeah, it's down in that area, like Holland City.
	Pardon?
	Right down in that area, like Holland City.
	Okay, because you saw them heading southeast of the county line of Ottawa or Alligott, probably right on the Kent County line, I would imagine.
	Yeah, we got them checking out.
	They say it's all we can do is Radio towers down in the area.
	Radio towers down in the area.
	They were in the air.
	Okay, that was at a real high hill, right on the county line there.
	And it was like at a 45-degree angle to the ground.
	There was like probably four or five lights, and they were all flashing right in a row from the top all the way down to the bottom.
	Uh-huh.
	And it was sitting there for a while, and then it leveled off, and then it moved southeast.
	It was up in the air quite a bit.
	Okay, yeah, we got an officer down here checking on it right now.
	Yeah, we'll let him know.
	All right, all right, thank you.
	All right, by now, the 911 dispatcher is getting very, very curious about what's going on.
	And again, he's about to start to try to make a call to figure out what is going on.
	That's what we're going to do.
	Anything weird?
	Hold on, you're in Chicago.
	84th and Garfield.
	Side of Chicago.
	That's a trap track there.
	Nothing more than the usual ground fire we get right there on the General Coastal Range.
	And the reason I ask is we're getting a whole bunch of calls of some strange lights in the southern Ottawa, northern Allegan County, right near the Holland City area.
	Strange light?
	Yeah.
	Such as we've had about 60 UFO calls.
	Okay.
	Well, Adam said he went, no, come on.
	There's got to be something more to this.
	Yeah.
	Well, I have to call a UFO reporting center then about this.
	But it's just, you know, we've had a couple of them, and we've got a couple.
	We've got an officer out there right now, and he says the only thing he sees right now is a tower.
	What they had done is replaced their lights.
	They were on steady before.
	Now they're on an alternating blinking pattern.
	That's what he's writing it off to, but a couple of our people, or the citizens, are saying, well, yeah, but they seem to be moving.
	Well, are you standing in the same spot you were before?
	No.
	Well, that would make a move to me, you know.
	I mean, if you're standing on one side of your house, you go to the other, yeah, that'll give me a different location.
	So I was just kind of curious if you noticed anything or anything on there at all.
	I'm looking at it in the vertical now, and I'm not really...
	Okay, let's see what that is.
	Looks like there's a larger turn down there.
	Let's see.
	That looks like it's up about maybe disappeared.
	But it was up about 6,000 feet and about could have been in plane.
	I don't know.
	But it was pretty big.
	Wait a minute.
	There's a bunch of weird ones down here.
	Now it's starting to appear to be moving a little bit south.
	Yeah, okay.
	Yeah, there's something big down there.
	Wait a minute.
	That's really strange.
	I get it down and, uh...
	I'm getting it down around the top then.
	No, wait a minute.
	I'm sorry.
	We'll take it the wrong.
	see.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, well, it's strange.
	Yeah.
	I can find the right overlay.
	I can close that a little bit.
	I can find it.
	Shoot.
	It's moving.
	I can see it moving, and it's just moved about.
	Well, let me get the range through.
	Um.
	It looks like it's around 810 kilometers from me.
	It puts it down about, yeah, right down at the right down to your saw table.
	Okay, this would be awesome.
	Yeah.
	And look at the elegant hotel county line.
	Yeah, oh, there it goes.
	Okay, it's moving.
	It's moving towards the west-southwest.
	It looks like a big blob.
	Yeah, that's the way it was explained up.
	And it's near.
	I think it's almost off the scope.
	Let me go to another.
	Hey, this is mirror.
	Let me go to another.
	...
	Looks like it's sizzled out.
	Oh, wait a minute.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it was up about 6,000 feet or so.
	And what that was a can't.
	It disappears.
	It's moving because one pass is there, the next pass is gone.
	Yeah.
	Well, I got it on manual now.
	I'm just going to...
	and looks like it's steady right now.
	Let's see.
	It's gone up.
	I'm getting it now at about 12,000 feet.
	It's weird.
	it's a pretty strong return huh yeah I've never seen One of the people that called it, I had to ask Kevin to talk to said it looked like a bunch of cylindrical objects.
	Well, oh my God, what is that?
	They were going together and coming apart.
	Yeah, well, there's three.
	You know, they're lengthwise.
	Now I'm getting three of them.
	And we're getting a third one now.
	And they're about, they're separated by about 5,000 feet in height is about maybe an officer sent me a message here.
	He says they're separated by about 50 kilometers.
	And they're very strong for turns.
	I'm getting a real, they're spiky, so there's some pretty solid station or anything, especially up at that height.
	An officer in the Holland City just sent me a message.
	He said, you know, can you identify any furs?
	He says, it looks like three to four of them.
	I'm seeing three.
	I'm seeing three, and they're separated by, they look like a triangle on my scope.
	I'm looking one around down by, let's see, I'm seeing one down near South Haven.
	I'm seeing another one over Lake Michigan about northwest of Benton Harbor.
	And another one over, well, west of, or east of Benton Harbor, which would be near Decatur.
	I'm seeing three of those.
	Very strong.
	I'm getting another one down in Berrien County.
	These are huge returns.
	I've never seen anything like this.
	Not even when I'm doing storms.
	These are storms.
	They're just popping up all over the place.
	This is strange.
	The officer says this green and red light does not look like an airplane.
	They come together and then they separate and they just keep doing this all the time.
	Can you see that?
	Yeah, I'm seeing three returns.
	They've moved position here.
	South Haven, looks like it's a more light.
	South Haven, looks like it's a more light.
	South Haven.
	Okay, one of the lights South Havens is zoomed over to the northwest by about 90.
	Now they change position here.
	One about 20 miles west of South Haven.
	Another one just above just like the Coloma.
	And the other one is just off the coast of Vince Harbor.
	Okay, now that one near South Haven has moved.
	It's moving further out in the Lake Michigan.
	I'm getting them up.
	Okay, I'm getting the top.
	Now I'm getting four.
	No?
	Yeah, I got four for a while.
	Now I'm getting another one way down.
	I did for a little while.
	So all up around about between 7,000 and 12,000 feet.
	This is strange.
	This is so weird.
	I wish we had a picture of this, but I'm going to find out exactly where he sees them.
	Here.
	Union 2 to...
	I'm just saying.
	I'll be up here.
	little red All right, it gets a little difficult to hear here.
	We are going to pause, and I will give you the remainder of this raw audio take.
	Have we got you interested?
	You're listening to a National Weather Service radar operator who incidentally, after doing all of this, according to Peter Davenport, was arbitrarily transferred out of his job.
	We will have the remainder of this when we come back in a moment.
	From the high desert, the area that will answer.
	Thank you.
	Good morning, everybody.
	If you would look at a map and reference the areas that this radar operator is talking about, you would find they're about 25 miles apart and form nearly a perfect triangle.
	We'll have a balance of this report in a moment.
	the real thing from michigan listen carefully
	that could be that could be that one by benton harbor if it's up that high this is really weird I'm just getting four in the move position again.
	And if I'm sweeping it back and forth, it's sort of like it's flying.
	I sweep it back and forth from where the beam is spotted towards Chicago, then I sweep it back toward maybe fourth wave.
	And each sweep, they'll be in the same position, and then all of a sudden they'll pop up somewhere else.
	So it's instantaneously moving, and I'm getting about between three and four turns.
	And they look like, sweeping them vertical, they look like very strong spikes.
	I'm getting, um...
	It's really weird.
	I don't know if I'm these are bigger than plane.
	These are the plane will pick up at a little pinpoint.
	These are about my radar scope, these are about the five, maybe like a half a centimeter across.
	I'm going to try Grand Rapids once here, too, and see if they can use the return wear it once, too.
	They look like they're moving, they're all moving to the south towards Chicago.
	There's three returns moving towards Chicago.
	They're about over the center of Lake Michigan, three of them, in the Torre Eagle, and they're about the southern, real southern part of Lake Michigan, probably just off the coast of Barrier County.
	Okay.
	Just northeast of Chicago.
	All right, now you will give them a shot.
	We'll see what I can locate from that.
	Okay.
	Thank you very much.
	You're welcome.
	All right.
	Appreciate that.
	Real proud of it.
	Bye-bye.
	Bye-bye.
	All right.
	Now you've got a situation where the man at the National Weather Center doesn't believe that he's been talking to the people at the 911 service.
	Offices are currently closed.
	That was attempt number one.
	Now, listen carefully.
	I was going to make sure that the person that called me was really a sheriff from out of a county and out of hole.
	He was one of our dispatchers.
	Oh, okay.
	Tell me about the county.
	We've been chasing them all over down that way.
	Pardon?
	We've been chasing lights down all over down that way.
	What really is going on?
	I still got a car out in the area.
	Can you hold on for a second?
	Sure.
	All right.
	All of this has never been played on the air before.
	Can fill you in on the weather sheriff at all, Jim?
	Yeah, okay.
	So what would these things look like?
	I don't know.
	We've got a report of something going through the air with lights on it horizontally.
	Three to four lights going at a high rate of speed up and down and all over the sky.
	I bet we've had five or six calls and they've all been in the South Holland area.
	South Holland?
	Yep, from South Holland down to Over Isle, down in that area.
	Overheisel, go ahead.
	And we'll cover the lights.
	I didn't really get what color they were.
	Okay, yeah.
	Well, I did pick up, I picked up about three to four blips, and they were big.
	They weren't planes because planes usually show up like as a little pinpoint that moves through on the scope.
	But these were bigger.
	These were about the size of half a thumbnail on the scope.
	know what kind of if it's some kind of an atmospheric phenomenon.
	I hear they have I hear the northern lights is going on.
	I got a call from Manson saying that the northern lights are really dancing around, really bright.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, so.
	Okay.
	Well, these are near speedy, I think.
	It seems to me like the last we have sort of moving like to the southeast from Holland towards Allegheny County.
	To the southeast, south of the left, I found.
	That's what I was seeing after Chicago.
	I wish we had a recording of what I could see.
	Yeah.
	Well, you know, actually, they are.
	there's some blips showing up on the computer part, and this is being recorded, so...
	Oh, good.
	There is going to be a recording of it, so if they can...
	All right, well, if we get any more, we'll let you know also.
	Okay, let me, yeah, please do.
	Thanks, Rob.
	Thank you.
	Bye-bye.
	All right, there you go, ladies and gentlemen.
	That has never been heard in totality before.
	And as I said at the beginning, I think that it pretty well speaks for itself.
	So I will have no further comment, and you can absorb it.
	Hopefully, you got to record it.
	There is one other little item that I would like to play for you.
	You heard earlier tonight, you heard Peter suggest that the Air Force does not put up aircraft to go chase UFOs.
	That may not be totally correct.
	And I offer you the following that was sent to me to be able to play on the urn.
	I did once before.
	The following comes, is a recording, again, a raw recording, from Edwards Air Force Base in California.
	It was a night they were seeing things.
	Listen carefully.
	Listen carefully.
	And are you coming from north to south?
	North to south?
	Right.
	North to south at this time from Edwards?
	Right.
	Are you thinking red?
	I have another red light and green light combination in sight moving very rapidly over that I see it this time.
	I'm going to check on my ramp car to see if they have any movement in that area.
	Yeah, clear, sir.
	Clear, sir, Lance.
	Have you all had any reports of unknown flying objects over there?
	No, we haven't.
	Okay, with wondering we supposedly are heading quite an invasion over here.
	What area?
	Is that area?
	No, it's all around Victorville and Edwards, sir.
	I was wondering if any of your fights or any of your bunches over there have called anything in.
	No?
	Okay, fine.
	Thank you much.
	Four of them.
	Yes, sir.
	You should be on the bottom side.
	Two of them.
	Yes, sir.
	Yeah, that's four all together.
	It's right.
	There's two in a line and there's three in a line.
	Yeah, there's three in a line.
	We'll run westward.
	And on the other one, we'd rush all the way up parallel with the bright.
	Yeah, right.
	Is that what you're saying?
	Yeah, that's more than possible.
	Will you do us a favor?
	Can you read the people that we're looking for about seven UFOs?
	Well, do you?
	You're in the hope out of here.
	Look up from Ontario International.
	Well, you know what?
	North of Ontario from the 8th.
	We're not positive.
	This is coming from Edwards and George.
	California looks.
	Did he come from the Little East?
	No, he came from the...
	Team East at 8,000 people, I suppose.
	Oh.
	About seven of them.
	They're red and white and clean flights.
	I'm saying I've been quite expensive.
	Oh, and they're climbing now.
	And we wonder if you're bringing them or trying to get across I could use either red or best major also with two towers with George Caller.
	Also, you know, Edgar's Gallery.
	Hey, decided for me.
	You know, it appears, I wanted to work out through the glasses and that first appearance looked just like a shot.
	Yeah, and then excited it was white and green.
	It's flashing white and green.
	And it appears what appears might be the bottom.
	That first appearance looked just like a shot.
	I mean, it's not intermittent light, but it appears to be the face.
	I want to know what was going on.
	Will they send an interceptor?
	Listen carefully.
	Well, let's say our hot night is around here.
	Let's see if we can dig up something.
	White to green and red.
	The red flash is strong on the hood longer, and the red here for the naked eye.
	So it appears to be white color from white to green to red.
	Can you give any form out of the thing, what it looks like?
	I never checked it.
	It appears to move a lot closer to it.
	I check it with the glasses.
	Blades?
	Well, it appears to be quite a bit flighted.
	It's hard to tell sitting in a lighted room looking out a window at it.
	28, yeah, Eli, is this the chief controller?
	Who?
	I'm in Helia.
	Right, I made a struggle here.
	I've got some objects leaning over Edwards at 11.5.
	Edwards is observing them from the ground, uh two towers observing them, and uh we're scanning the radar.
	Uh, they're flashing white screen at Edwards City, and we have a track on them, Q0157, heading west.
	Uh, at this time, uh, roughly 20 miles west of Edwards at 11.5, there was a uh we talked to center, they didn't have anything on it, but heading west, flew through the area at 14 for him, and he had no joy on them, uh, center queried the bird.
	And let's see, I'm holding him now with a bird that flew through the area 50 miles west of Edwards, 50 west.
	Yeah.
	Now, uh, talk to the sergeants, uh, the UFO people at Edwards, uh, first place I should tell you that uh Norton's UFO, referred to back to Edwards, as being in the area, uh, the lieutenant is the UFO responsible officer in bed, three miles away.
	He doesn't have any authority just to report to us.
	They haven't requested a scramble or anything.
	My question would be that, do you want us to take this lieutenant out of the pad and see if he wants to request Edwards that they had no capability going up and looking?
	Now we're painting a lot and everybody's seeing it.
	So, do you think we'll ever take this lieutenant out of the pad and see if he wants to request we go up and take a look?
	Maybe, well, they haven't raised him yet, huh?
	They haven't called him.
	Well, I told him to hold on until I talked to you.
	He thought you'd be reluctant to call him until he feels like he needs to because it'll be three o'clock in the morning.
	Yeah.
	If he has a few paints and everything on him, I think it'd be worthwhile if he gives the call.
	Yeah, that's my feeling, too.
	Right.
	And then if he's in that area, if he should request a scramble, we could probably take one of the guard first.
	I'll goose this up, I think.
	Yeah, that could be okay.
	Yeah, right.
	Okay.
	All right, there you are.
	All I give in here is Special 13 for NFA Star.
	Okay, let's put a special 13 in our 157.
	Okay, sir?
	Right.
	Thank you, please.
	And so they scrambled and went up and took a look, and that's what occurred at Edwards.
	So if you have any question in your mind about whether or not the Air Force does respond to things that it sees when it paints them with radar, there you are.
	All right.
	Well, that has been quite an hour, and I hope many of you out there who are skeptical are sitting there at the moment sort of shaking your head side to side in a bit of ornament.
	Once again, from Seattle, Washington, here is Peter Davenport.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Peter?
unidentified		Hi, Ert.
unidentified		Hi.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Stirring tapes, really interesting stuff.
		I have a lot of responses.
		I've heard these tapes before, of course, in past months and years, but it is proof positive, I feel, that the Air Force clearly addresses the UFO phenomenon seriously.
unidentified		Indeed.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And they send hardware out to look at it from hand to hand.
		Indeed.
		No question about it.
unidentified		That would have been the case certainly over Edwards.
unidentified		I imagine, as you pointed out earlier, it was probably the case when they had the Phoenix sightings here not long ago.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That's my suspicion.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That's for sure.
unidentified		I understand that while I was playing those tapes, you were taking a UFO report simultaneously.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That is correct.
		Which underscores just how busy we can get here on certain occasions.
		But a person who's listening to us in the Sacramento area just called in to report what he and I believe his wife saw while they drove north on I-5 near Walnut Grove or near Sacramento, generally in the Sacramento area, yesterday morning, Saturday morning, the 31st of January, 1998.
		They saw an object.
		As they were driving north on I-5, they saw an object approaching from their right, from the eastern sky at 5.45 in the morning, and they report that they saw the object, which looked like one of these orange street lamps that you see from time to time, descend into a community near Walnut Grove, California.
unidentified		Really?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		We are now, or Elk Grove, California, I'm sorry.
		Elk Grove, California.
		The object, I'm not going to share with our listeners quite yet what the reported shape of the object was, because if there are any other reports out there, we'd like to get them from those people, from the observers, witnesses.
unidentified		Without stating what they might report.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we try not to contaminate incoming data, of course.
		But it underscores the fact that this is taking place all the time.
		The Michigan tape, of course, pops one theory, one myth, that these sightings don't occur on radar, one.
		Number two, they don't occur around populated areas.
		Many of our listeners may not know where Holland, Michigan is, but it's right, as you pointed out, perhaps, right on the eastern shore of Lake Michigan, directly northeast of Chicago, sort of directly east of Milwaukee.
		And that's right in an area where aircraft coming from the east to land at O'Hare are beginning their descent into the Chicago area.
		And I think they sighted altitudes of between 6,000 and 11,000 feet.
		That's intermixed with, no doubt, many aircraft, the crews of which may have seen those objects four years ago.
unidentified		It would be interesting to have some of the control tower tapes that would run simultaneously with this as well.
		No question about it.
		I mean, that man watched these objects.
		Well, for how long?
		For about 30 or 40 minutes we sat here and we listened to the fellows say, Look, there they are.
		Oh my God, look at them.
		Now there's four of them.
		And they would go and then they would suddenly reappear miles and miles and miles farther on.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		They could cover tens of miles apparently in a very, very short period of time.
		A couple brief stories.
		One, our center here, my predecessor, Robert Gribble, played a significant role in alerting people out in Michigan as to what was going on.
		They had taken one call, and Bob Gribble quickly called the state director of Michigan, who in turn, I believe, alerted the National Weather Service rather than the FAA.
		The FAA does not have much discretionary radar, is my understanding, but the National Weather Service does.
		They can turn on a radar and direct it or focus it in any direction.
unidentified		So they called the right people.
unidentified		Yeah.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And that's part of the reason that people were alerted to this.
		So one thing I can add to that Michigan report four years ago is at about the same time that that was all occurring over Michigan, we had a dramatic side reported to me.
		I'm a frequent denizen.
		He called me over when I walked into the coffee house that Tuesday night, the 8th of March, 1994.
		And he said, Peter, have I got a story to tell for you?
		Tell to you.
		And he said, sit down here and listen to this.
		Just a few minutes prior, he and a girlfriend had been walking north on the University Avenue in the University District of Seattle.
		They had had an object come from behind them at altitude directly overhead.
		He said it looked like burning magnesium, brighter than a flashbowl, that came from the south-southeast.
unidentified		Went right over their heads, headed north.
		We've got to break off here.
		It's the top of the hour.
		We'll be back with Peter Davenport.
		More audio for you and your calls.
		This is Dreamland.
		On Friday morning, my wife and I were on our way home to Bakersfield from Las Vegas.
		We went through your town of Beru, bigger than I thought it would be, as we were going out of the city limits on 372 and crossed into California.
		Just happened to look up and see an F-117 flying about 200 feet off the ground.
		It was coming from the southwest, crossed the road above us, moved off to the northeast, just to the north of Peru.
		It was flying so slow, perhaps 200 miles an hour at best, and so quiet, I couldn't hear it from our van running.
		Well, better get.
		Great show tonight.
		Bob listening to K-E-R-N in Bakersfield.
		Once again, from Seattle, Washington, and the UFO Reporting Center, here is Peter Davenport.
		Peter?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yep, I'm here.
unidentified		Okay, I know you've got a number of audio clips for us, which I would like to get on the air, and I would also like to take some calls at this hour.
unidentified		So whatever you've got, lay it on us.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		We've got some buttes tonight.
		You're right.
		And let me say, while you were receiving that fax, I just took a call over the hotline.
		In fact, I'd prefer people didn't call us tonight because we're live and we can't take UFO reports while we're on the radio.
		But I took a report from a gentleman who called from Southwest Minster, California, who was reporting his sighting within the last day or two.
		I don't know the exact date yet.
		But let's go on to the next audio cut I have.
		This was made just about two years ago.
		It comes from Michigan.
		I don't mean to pick on those folks tonight.
		We seem to be coming down hard on them.
		But a lot of people, a lot of people think that UFOs are not seen from aircraft or near commercial aircraft.
		I would like to play for our listeners tonight about a two-minute and 15-second audio cut of a conversation I had with a commuter pilot from the state of Michigan, from Saginaw, I believe.
		And we'll leave to our listeners' discretion what this man may have bumped into over Saginaw, Michigan.
		This was on the 27th of February, 1996, just about two years ago.
		Let me play what he had to report he and his co-pilot and a plane load of passengers saw about 16,000 feet above Michigan two years ago.
		Here we go.
unidentified		Okay.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		What'd you see?
unidentified		Well, we were between layers of clouds.
		There was a layer at about 3,500 feet, which was the top.
		You couldn't see any lights from any cities.
		We went through Cleveland and Detroit.
		Couldn't see anything.
		We were in the clear at 16,000 feet.
		There was another layer, I'd say, about 20,000 feet above which you couldn't see the moon.
		We were definitely light.
		I'd say Cleveland would have just been about 90 miles out of the second Michigan.
		And out of nowhere, it just appeared to be big, white, white light right in front of us.
		You know, I was concerned that it was going to hit us.
		I just figured it was another airplane.
		And we just all of a sudden turned in flight.
		There it was.
		It was airborne because we asked for lower.
		I mean, this was at the same altitude as we were, so I wanted to get lower.
		So we started to go lower.
		I descended to 9,500 feet, and I was looking at it, and it was above us.
		Clean was trying to get an altitude and location for it, and I said, I believe something on the tape said, I said it was about 10,000 feet.
		And I said, I will guarantee you it is airborne.
		Well, we were cleared down to 4,000 feet at that time.
		And I started to level off, and I looked up, and it was right in our window again.
		And when it would jump, it was a matter of less than a second.
		It was over there.
		But you could see like a flash.
		Just a little trail of the path it took.
		You know, if it was just myself and my first officer that saw it, to be honest with you, I probably wouldn't have said nothing.
		I probably would have told him to keep his mindset because I admired it getting into all this stuff.
		But other aircraft saw it at the same time like that.
		There was a Northwest commuter that saw it, and another commuter said.
		And then around it, like a ring of, and the first officer I was friendly with, we couldn't even depict the color.
		It was just fluorescent swirl of bright light.
		Blight different light.
		It wasn't like a red or green, nothing.
		A fluorescent swirl?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Fluorescent swirl of white light.
		Later in the conversation with this pilot, he described it as a frisbee-looking object with lights around the periphery of it.
		We heard him say that it could streak out, leaving a streak of light in the atmosphere, and then it would streak back so it was right on the nose of his aircraft.
		He put his aircraft, he requested clearance to descend.
		He was at 16,000 feet between layers, flying to the northwest over Saginaw, Michigan.
		He got clearance to descend.
		He put the nose of the aircraft down.
		They went through.
		They hit the tops of overcast below them at 3,000 feet after having descended about 10,000 feet.
		He didn't know what was going to happen in those clouds.
		When he came out the bottoms of those clouds, the object was gone, fortunately.
unidentified		Anybody who can sit out in the audience tonight and listen to all of this and not understand that this planet is being visited, I think, has a closed mind, Peter.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That is my impression, too, Art.
		And again, my only raison d'être, the only reason I do this, is to bring to the American public, to those individuals who might like to know what is really going on, bring to them the evidence and the information, thanks to Dreamland and Art Bell, what is really going on on this planet.
		It is clear that the U.S. government is going to be the last ones to inform the citizens of our country what is really going on and that they know is going on.
		After my meeting with representatives of the federal government just about seven months ago, I know that they are aware of that.
unidentified		Actually, you didn't tell the Dreamland audience about that.
unidentified		You had two representatives of the government who came to see you and identified themselves and said essentially what takes well if I said two, I err.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure I've ever identified the number of people with whom I met back in May of 1997.
unidentified		Okay.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And we did not meet in Seattle.
		This was a meeting on the East Coast.
		They called me in April.
		They said we believe that the National UFO Reporting Center may have information that we could find useful.
		And the principal focus of their interest at that time was TWA 800.
		They said we've been to some 400 websites or so.
		We've settled on yours as perhaps having the information that we're looking for.
		They said we prefer not to be identified.
		We do not want the press knocking on our door.
		Can you meet under those terms?
		We said, yes, we can.
		We prefer openness, but if somebody has a need for discretion, we will honor that.
		That is our policy.
		I met with them, and as I reported to the coast-to-coast audience, and I will report here again, I feel it's very important, Art.
		They sat down for a four-hour meeting, and at the very beginning, they said, Peter, let us make our position clear so you understand where we're coming from.
		A, we know the UFO phenomenon is real.
		B, we know it is what it appears to be a major ship or object coming presumably from other parts of our galaxy or the universe.
		And C, we are a little bit worried about it, and that that is the reason we're meeting with you.
unidentified		A little bit worried about it.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And if I were to identify the entity of the government where they were, 99.9% of our audience tonight would understand immediately with whom I was meeting.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Again, they are not the type of people who take a half a day out in a busy schedule to meet with a UFO investigator unless they consider it to be very important.
unidentified		How much of that meeting are you free to disclose?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I will talk about what we discussed openly in a general sense.
		They posed to me a couple of questions that were a little bit alarming to me.
		One was, anyway, one question they posed to me was TW800.
		Again, that was the focus of the meeting, the reason for the meeting.
		They have certain reservations about the information that is coming from the NTSB and the FBI with regard to the reason for that accident.
		The second question was the one that really shocked me.
unidentified		And I think I can almost duplicate it verbatim.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		They said, Peter, what evidence does the National UFO Reporting Center have that might suggest that there could be a body of individuals working within the federal government in an extra-constitutional fashion?
		That is, a group of people who are working independent, perhaps, of the Constitution, let's say in a renegade fashion, although that is my term, that is not their term.
		Those are questions put to me by very prestigious people in the federal government of the United States.
unidentified		So you gave them essentially all you had that might be relevant.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		We gave them everything I could provide them in that venue as we will for anybody.
		We're an open body.
		We argue that all UFO data should be made available freely to the American public as a service To them.
		In a sense, Art, I believe that we, the National UFO Reporting Center, and the hundreds and hundreds of other serious-minded UFO investigators and organizations across the country, serve as a sentry, if you will, to the American people.
		We have a responsibility, as no doubt you, Art Bell, feel to your listeners and the American public, to get this information out to people such that they may assess for themselves with hopefully factual and objective data what may be going on right over our heads or under our noses.
unidentified		All right.
unidentified		I want to ask you about this, and we'll treat this subject tenderly, but for years, the major reporting agency for things of this sort has been MOOFON.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And when you see something, MUFON will send you a form and you will fill it out.
		I've done it.
		I have one tremendous sighting of my own, as you well know.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I remember two of them.
unidentified		That's right.
		But one really major one with the triangle.
		And I filled out a MOOFON report and sent it in and never heard another word.
		Now, you're very public.
		You're on my program.
		You're on, I presume, other programs from time to time.
		And you willingly tape and put out over here exactly what you get.
		Generally, when you file up a report with MUFON, it's my experience that it kind of disappears into a black hole and the public really never hears about it.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I have heard these comments, but I must say that I'm really not comfortable in discussing what other people or other organizations do in this field.
		The field is rife with these internet battles that take place between personalities.
		And first of all, I choose to avoid it.
		It drains my energy and wastes my time.
		Number two, I feel this is perhaps not the proper venue for airing dirty laundry, if there would be any in this case.
unidentified		It may be just a matter of bureaucracy, Peter.
		In other words, your organization is small, fast, reactive.
		MUFON is rather large and has a nationwide bureaucracy.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		They have done a tremendous service.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Walt Andres in particular.
unidentified		I've interviewed him a number of times, Peter.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Decades of his life to seeing to it that information is collected, that an organization is built.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		He is to be nothing but highly commended.
unidentified		Wouldn't you imagine that the people who came to see you would have gone to see the people at MUFON as well?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		They may have.
		I don't know.
		I presume MUFON would be as discreet as we try to be, in which case we would have heard nothing from them.
		We would expect to hear nothing from them under any circumstance if they made a pledge to honor that anonymity of the people who came to us.
		They may have gone to other people to discuss.
		All right.
unidentified		If you have any other tapes you'd like to share with the audience, let us do that now.
unidentified		At the bottom of the hour, coming out of that, we'll take some phone calls.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Why don't I play a short one?
		A lot of people think that these UFOs do not appear in settled areas, let's say.
		Let me play a short tape.
		I think it's only about a minute or a minute and a half.
		A report we got from a young woman just a mile north of downtown Seattle in which she reports what she saw on the 2nd of January, Friday night.
		Here we go.
unidentified		All right.
		Okay, sure.
		I was on my roof with my telescope looking at the moon, and I was just gazing up in the sky, and there was an airplane that was kind of crossing the moon, and of course I was just staring at it.
		And right across the way the airplane was flying, of course, the airplane was at a higher altitude than this object.
		And I'm staring in the sky, and it was this huge, looking, almost boomerang-looking shaped object with about, I would say, 50 to 70 lights.
		And they were dull lights.
		They were about maybe orange-yellow, but very dull, almost like a rust color.
		And they weren't flashing, and it was just kind of moving very slow across the sky.
		And it was going towards, I would say, east.
		Maybe not east, but well, I would say east.
		And it was just kind of moving really slow, and then it kind of went over this golf course that was just built around my area.
		And it's a really well, very illuminated golf course.
		And when it comes to the lights, it just kind of disappeared.
		I couldn't see the lights anymore.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That was a mile south of downtown Seattle.
unidentified		Boy.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I must say that we received but one report on this.
		This is not confirmation of the event.
		And this young woman was very sincere, very bright.
		As you can hear, she's very eloquent.
unidentified		Obviously.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		And she was out testing a new telescope that her boyfriend had given her for Christmas.
		And if it were not for hundreds of other reports that the UFO Reporting Center here in Seattle has received, much like this, in fact, we got a doozy of a report from England in response to the Coast to Coast program Thursday night, or Wednesday night.
		Really?
		Very, very similar in appearance to what this young woman just described in this audio cut.
		And we are getting reports of those things from all over the country, in fact, from around the world now, thanks to the internet and thanks to the Art Bell programs.
		This appears to be happening with, I would say, from my standpoint, an alarming frequency.
unidentified		All right.
		I want to do as I did the other night, and I want to tell everybody in the audience that your organization is a volunteer organization.
		It's a non-profit organization.
		It's an organization that operates on a severe shoestring.
		And if people in the audience would like to donate five or ten bucks, it would be extremely welcome, and it would keep you going.
		And I think it's very, very important that you keep going.
		In fact, you should be able to add to your staff, if anything.
		And you're an incredibly valuable resource.
		So I would like you to give the phone number and or the address where people could send five or ten bucks.
		And I know you don't want more than that.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That is Correct from the standpoint of independence, and it's terribly kind of your art to mention that issue.
		One of the things we'd like to do is vastly increase the amount of data we can take in and get back out to the American people.
		We take no salaries, but let me give that address now quickly, if I may, and we'll give it again maybe later before the end of the program.
unidentified		Sure, go ahead.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It's the National UFO Reporting Center, P.O. Box 45623.
		Next line is University Station.
		That's a post office in Seattle.
		And it's Seattle, Washington, and the zip code is 98145.
		And I am terribly grateful to not only you, but to those many people who have now sent very modest contributions to us.
		That's going to allow us to do a great deal more work.
unidentified		I understand.
		Once again, the National UFO Reporting Center, P.O. Box 45623, University Station, Seattle, Washington.
		And what's the zip code, please?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		The zip code is 98145.
unidentified		98145.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Very good.
unidentified		All right.
		Hold tight, Peter.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		We're going to come back.
		If you have any more tape reports, we'll get those out and then go to the phones.
		How's that?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		We do have some.
unidentified		All right.
		Stay right where you are.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		This is Streamlands.
		You from Jerry Glass, the State Section Director of MUFON in Riverside County, California.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		He says, let me say on the outset, Peter Davenport buys the official story.
		What many within MUFON do not.
		On April 9th, Dr. Stephen Greer was holding hearings in Washington, D.C. An A-10 was missing.
		Heavensgate debacle was taking place.
		Cheyenne Mountain was closed down.
		At the same time, an airliner traveling from Alaska to San Francisco spotted a gigantic UFO.
		It was sighted from the ground.
		A GOES-9 satellite picked up and photographed a UFO purported to be 25 miles in length.
		The satellite photo later said to be a computer glitch.
		However, it was picked up on the satellite's five different sensors, including heat-seeking.
		Therefore, it could not have been an illusion.
		Best regards, Jerry Glass, State Section Director, MUFON, Riverside County, California.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Y'all, it's an interesting comment, and I would probably agree with a lot of what he says.
		I believe at this stage, Art, that the news that we broke over your program may have been in error on the GOES-9 satellite.
		I talked to the very engineer who built the satellite, who was quite familiar with the data telemetry system, and I am satisfied tentatively that that engineer knew exactly what he was talking about, and he we stand corrected by what he has shared with us.
		It looks as though that was a data drop.
		When the system does not send telemetry accurately because of a check in the system, it just drops that data.
		And it is my belief at this stage, without proof, that what we reported over the coast-to-coast that night was probably an error.
		But it was based on four or five solid pieces of evidence with regard to sightings off the coast of California, a missing TR-1 or a U-2 reconnaissance aircraft.
		Whether that's confirmed or not, I don't know, but I don't believe one was lost.
		I'm not sure.
		But yeah, the writer of that fact makes some very good points.
		There was a lot going on back in that time.
unidentified		All right, very good.
		Do you have any further audio clips you want to play for us?
		I think you do.
		We do.
		I have about a...
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		I believe they're taking place, between human beings on this planet and other creatures, let's call them.
		What I'm going to play is actually in honor of Linda Howe.
		She's the one who investigated this.
		She is the one who broke it on Dreamland one night about two years ago.
		This is a short, I think it's about a two-minute clip of a very, very strange interaction that took place near Doylestown, Pennsylvania, just north of Philadelphia.
		A lot of people think still that these sightings are not occurring over major metropolitan areas, and everybody still, many people still think that those meteors are meteors.
		Let's play a clip, about two minutes, of what happened to a young fellow just north of Doylestown.
		I think he's on Route 313 out of Doylestown.
		Here we go.
unidentified		All right.
		What happened?
		Well, okay.
		This is the best I can describe it.
		I was driving my van east on Route.
		I wrote it all down, Dave.
		I was driving my van east on Route 313 in Westminster Township, Pennsylvania.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Where is that, Route 8, East or West?
unidentified		It's Southeast Pennsylvania.
		It's near Doylestown, Pennsylvania.
		Okay.
		And it was approximately 2.30 a.m.
		Yeah.
		First thing I saw was three shooting stars.
		One right after the other.
		They were very, very bright.
		Like the brightest I'd seen.
		They were right in front of me.
		They were off in the sky in the distance.
		So I just thought, cool, we had them shooting stars.
		Did you think a whole lot of it?
		Mm-hmm.
		I was driving down the road.
		I had a couple, it was like two or three minutes after that.
		And they were bluish-green in color.
		I was driving my truck when I opened the truck turned off.
		I was going down.
		It stopped kind of abruptly, but my body wasn't thrown forward into the windshield or anything.
		Everything just stopped.
		Um I don't know how else to describe this except I felt something move through my truck.
		Really?
		You ever go to a rock and roll concert?
		Uh years ago, yes.
		Okay, you ever see one of these laser beams that shoot out across the.
		Oh, yeah, sure.
		Okay, it kind of it felt like that, but only it wasn't some I may seem a little hysterical right now.
		Sorry, but I'm sure I know they're upsetting.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It can be upsetting experiences.
unidentified		Well, what freaks me out was after that happened, after I felt something passed through the truck I could remove my body.
		I made the team my ignition.
		The first thing I felt I did here made me kick back here.
		I'll reach something I turned my ignition key and nothing happened.
		Well, it didn't quickly anything.
		The truck was on the hill and it was stopped dead.
		Then I felt this thing that I could only describe that way, there was no color to it.
		It just, as the only way I can describe it, and I couldn't move my hand.
		I went to turn the key and I couldn't move my hand.
		I wasn't scared or anything at the time.
		I was perfectly calm.
		I don't know.
		I guess maybe I was in shock or something.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		That was two years ago.
		Doylestown, Pennsylvania.
		And we have many reports like this.
		It's not just one or two or a handful art.
		We have many reports like this.
		This gentleman, whom we just listened to, sounded very sincere to me.
		We could hear the alarm, perhaps even the shock in his voice.
		This call came in about 1 o'clock in the morning, about 4 o'clock his time.
		He could not go to sleep after this incident.
unidentified		I'm not surprised the government's knocking on your door.
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's certainly taking place.
		And again, I think it's imperative that the American people understand this.
		This incident, by the way, occurred just two days before that incident over Saginaw, Michigan, the tape that we played just before the break.
		These were very close to one another.
		This was the night of the 24th or 25th of February 1996.
		And that incident with the commuter airliner occurred on the 27th of February 1996.
		Whether there's any correlation between these two incidents or not, I can only guess.
		But it's taking place.
		One short addendum to that incident over Saginaw with the commuter airliner, a major newspaper article was written by the largest newspaper, by a journalist at the largest newspaper in Ohio.
		I don't know that we have to name names here.
		But he wrote an elegant article.
		He talked to the pilot.
		He somehow obtained an early copy, an unofficial copy, of the radio communication between that aircraft and the FAA in both Cleveland and elsewhere.
unidentified		Really?
peter davenport ▲ ● ▼		It was handled by several centers.
		The journalist listened to the tapes.
		He talked to the pilot.

▲