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Jan. 30, 1998 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - James Van Praagh - Spirit Medium - The Afterlife

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	All right.
	Coming now, James Von Praag.
	Who is James Von Praag?
	Well, he's a spiritual medium.
	Now, what is that?
	I'll tell you what it is.
	It means he can communicate with people who have actually passed on.
	Now, many times on radio programs, James will communicate for people Who have lost loved ones and so forth, but we are not going to do that.
	We are going to discuss what he does.
	We are going to discuss life after death.
	We are going to discuss his new book, which I'm very jealous about.
	He has the number one New York Times bestseller right now called Talking to Heaven.
	James has appeared recently on, in fact he's been all over Larry King Live, CBS 48 Hours, More radio and TV shows than you can count.
	He is perhaps one of the foremost mediums in the country, maybe the foremost today, providing evidence of life after death to many, those who listen.
	His book, Talking to Heaven, ...has been so popular, bookstores have been unable to keep it in stock.
	So you might not even be able to find it, for all I know.
	James, welcome to the program.
	Thanks, Art.
	Thanks for having me.
	How does it feel, James, to have something skyrocket to number one on the bestseller list?
	Kind of bizarre, actually.
	Kind of surreal, because I had a feeling it would do that, but I didn't know it would be this quickly.
	And the head of the publishing company called me up and said to me, In her 30 years of doing this, she'd never seen a book go up so quickly.
	There was such a demand on the book.
	All right.
	That's a good place to start.
	Why?
	Well, I think that it speaks to people in all different levels, first of all.
	I wrote the book very simply, so it doesn't speak over people's... over or under.
	It gets right to them.
	And it's very simply put.
	The truth is very simple.
	I don't confess to know everything in the book.
	I say exactly what my experiences have been in 14 years.
	I'm working with spirits, I'm working with mediumship.
	And I just explain that to people, what my experience has been.
	I think people see this very real, and it's something they can touch and relate to.
	And I've had such great response from people who have read the book.
	There must be some sort of spiritual renaissance going on in America.
	You know, I think any time there's a change in the millennium, there's always a search.
	There's always a search for something new.
	And people have, they try to go through an identification of some sort.
	And I think it's partly that.
	I also think in this age, we've come to a time where religions don't work anymore for a lot of people.
	And they're searching.
	And they don't answer those questions that people want to know about.
	But they go searching for elsewhere.
	Well, that's an interesting comment.
	Religions don't work.
	I don't go to church every Sunday, or any Sunday really.
	I don't.
	And it's because of exactly what you just said.
	It doesn't work for me.
	There's something too organized, too ritualistic-like.
	I don't want to step on any toes here, because I don't harbor any ill will toward anybody's religion, and I never stomp on them.
	But it's just not for me.
	And I know that's true of a lot of Americans.
	Well, you know, I think that religion has its place for people.
	I think people are here to learn lessons, and people have to learn all different types of expressions.
	And if it's the religion, if that's their truth, then so be it.
	And God bless them, they should have that truth.
	And that's the freedom we have, that freedom of expression.
	But I believe when man comes into the picture, and the ego of man comes into the religion and starts forcing people, based on fear, based totally on fear, to control them, then there's something wrong.
	The essence of the religion is lost.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I do.
	I don't think we're supposed to be afraid of God.
	I don't think so.
	My God is not a God of punishment and judgment.
	Mine is of pure love.
	That's what I think it was meant to be.
	And yet a lot of what you do crosses to religion.
	There's no question about it.
	I mean, we're talking about heaven.
	Right.
	Look, a lot of people, James, I'll just lay it out for you, think that what you do, being a medium, is absolute Baloney.
	I mean, they just think that it's baloney, that nobody can talk to the dead, nobody can break that barrier.
	A lot of people don't even believe there is a barrier and don't think that you go anywhere except down to the dirt, the worms crawl in and the worms crawl out.
	What do you say to the skeptics, the people, and there's plenty of skeptics, the people who say, what?
	A bunch of baloney, crystal ball stuff.
	It just flat can't be true.
	What do you say to these people?
	Anything at all?
	Well, you know, you have to come from, uh, based on experiences, don't you?
	I mean, they really have to have the experience in order to judge it.
	Everyone tends to judge things before they have the experience.
	They don't understand something.
	What's the first thing they do?
	They judge it.
	And they're afraid of it.
	And they're afraid of it.
	It's based on fear.
	You know, I always tell people, it's so hard for me to believe that I can do this, but yet, we have cell phones, we have radios.
	What are we doing here?
	We have televisions.
	How do we not see the waves in the air, do we?
	But yet, we receive these images, or we hear these things.
	And yet there are signals.
	It's electronically done.
	It's improving its energy.
	Oh, listen.
	I've frequently said, James, if you could see microwave energy, if you could see radio and television energy, if you could see all the RF in the air, if it were colored and you could actually see it, they'd begin to pass laws against it.
	You bet.
	They'd regulate it.
	Of course they would.
	And yet we have animals that can hear at a very high frequency, don't we?
	Oh, yes.
	You know, we just put that off.
	And there are individuals who are sensitive.
	They're much more sensitive than others.
	And really, all I do is my antenna is a little bit up more than most people.
	And maybe it's because I've meditated more, or I feel I was born this way, more sensitive.
	Well, that's where I was going next.
	How did all this begin for you, and when did you realize that you had this ability?
	You know, Art, it's pretty funny because when I was a kid, I was a pretty normal kid, except I was obsessed with graveyards, cemeteries.
	I don't know why.
	Really?
	Oh, yeah.
	I used to love going to them.
	I used to love reading the headstones.
	You still love haunted houses, and I don't know why, but I was fascinated with that.
	You actually would take trips to graveyards?
	Oh yeah, yeah, with kids.
	You know, my neighborhood kids, we'd just go into graveyards, and I found it fascinating.
	And the older the grave, the more fascinated I was.
	Even to this day, I'll go to some grave in a town I'm visiting.
	I pass by a grave, you know, cemetery, and I go right to it.
	It's very strange.
	Well, let's attack this one.
	Alright, when you go to a graveyard now, we've all thought a little bit about this.
	You see the headstones there.
	You read them.
	Right.
	Is there any attachment between what is buried under these headstones?
	No, but let me just go back real quick and tell you a real quick funny thing.
	It's in my book.
	I note this in my book.
	One of my earliest childhood experiences about this stuff.
	I cut school with some friends of mine when I was about eight years old.
	We went to a graveyard, and we were sitting there having lunch, and I saw these two little kids, all three of us, saw these two little kids playing, a little girl and a little boy, about five and six years of age, and they were playing around this gravestone a little bit away, and we looked at them, and we walked over, we looked to see them, we walked over there, and they kind of disappeared, and we couldn't find them, and we looked on the gravestone, and it was a little boy and girl, brother and sister, that died two years earlier, and they were buried there.
	And that was the very first experience I had with the wolf.
	Well, okay, see, that implies there's some sort of connection.
	I don't want to think that, somehow.
	Many of us are, when we die, not buried, but cremated or something else.
	So, is there a connection between our bodies and our afterlife?
	There is a connection?
	No.
	In some way, there is not.
	In that, we are first and foremost spirit.
	We are spirit beings, encased in a physical vehicle.
	It's like we have a car to drive in the physical world.
	It's the same thing with a spirit.
	We have a spirit, we have a physical body, we have to get us around the physical earth.
	We are vessels.
	We are vessels.
	And when it's time for us to leave, we leave this vessel.
	Right, right.
	This is cool work down here.
	Okay, then why would a spirit then, James, hang around near its vessel?
	Ah, sometimes the spirit does not realize they've passed over.
	Because it's such a natural occurrence, they might not realize that this has happened to them.
	Another thing that happens is sometimes there's so much grief with a family member, they're so upset, they literally will pull the spirit down around them and hanging out on the physical earth.
	And also, if their spirit is very obsessed with the physical world or the earthly things, it's harder for them to free themselves of these earthly things.
	It depends on their consciousness, you see.
	That's what your consciousness is.
	So if you had a house or a car that you loved and you died unexpectedly, you might not want to leave your stuff?
	You betcha.
	That's a haunted house and poltergeist, man.
	Oh my.
	Or even stranger yet, you said that a loved one in their grief could actually pull down and hold the spirit here.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	In many essences, they can do that because they're grief-ridden.
	It's very much like the spirit world is made of thought.
	Everything is done with thought.
	Our loved ones on the earth, when we're in spirit, we feel their thoughts.
	We hear their thoughts, like a telephone ringing constantly.
	It kind of pulls us down.
	That's why it's very difficult.
	We should learn to let the spirit go.
	The spirit has to grow on the other side.
	They have work to do in the spirit world, just like we have work to do in the physical world.
	And you counsel people like that.
	You tell them, look, you've got to let go.
	I would assume that a lot of the people that come to you are absolutely buried in grief, right?
	Oh, definitely.
	That's exactly right.
	And one hour, I've been told this, one hour of therapy with me is equal to about two years of psychotherapy.
	So they get right down to the bottom line, right to the emotions.
	And it heals quite a bit.
	Quite a bit.
	It also releases the spirit to move on, you see?
	It lets them to go on.
	I do see.
	How could we do that?
	Is our spirit, while it's still in our bodies, in a way as powerful as the spirit that is trying to be released, or even more powerful?
	Well, the personality survives death.
	So if they were very powerful when they're embodied, they'll be the same way when they pass over.
	You don't change that drastically.
	You're very much the very same way.
	Like when I bring through spirits, their personality traits come right through.
	They don't change that drastically.
	Where is the proof of an afterlife?
	What is the best proof that there really is something that survives the physical death?
	You know, the only way I can answer it is that, besides the many messages I've received, you know, thousands of messages, I can only go scientifically.
	I'm very much a scientific way of thinking, Virgo, like you are.
	And I have to think of it that way.
	Energy, you know, molecules vibrating and moving at a certain rate of speed.
	We are, sure.
	And we are energy, and I don't know, how can you kill energy?
	I don't think you can kill energy.
	You can transform energy, but you can't kill energy.
	It has to go somewhere, and I do believe there are things outside of our physical senses that we're not aware of.
	The most common person out there is not aware of, and I think that's where this place is, and I think that's where we go, to another vibration, another frequency that most people on this earth aren't aware of, but yet there are those people who are sensitive, Like myself, and we're aware of these other places.
	Another vibration, another frequency, another dimension?
	Another dimension.
	It's interdimensional.
	I think there are many, many dimensions.
	I think that a lot of science, a lot of physics, a lot of people like yourself are now beginning to talk about multiple dimensions, and I think that I'm a believer in it, James.
	I really think I'm a believer in multi-dimensions.
	Now, do you think that science Will ever find a way, in effect, to do what you do, scientifically, to produce some sort of machine that would produce a frequency that would allow some sort of door to be open between here and there?
	Oh, certainly.
	They're actually working on it right now.
	There's a man by the name of Mark Macy, I've mentioned his name before, and he works with this electromagnetic wave of doing this, of bringing through spirit.
	Spirit has appeared on computers.
	It appeared on the telephone, on radio.
	In Luxembourg, there's a foundation that they work with this sort of thing.
	And they've had many visits from Spirit, and many information has come through.
	And I believe that they are fine-tuning these apparatuses.
	And right now, they have to be very careful, because if you throw it out there, the government jumps right on top of it.
	So they're being very careful to not let this stuff out in the wrong way.
	This is a matter of curiosity.
	If somebody were to develop a machine that would allow a door to, in effect, be opened, and communication to really be established, or even movement back and forth, what kind of effect would that have on us, you know, poor mortals, physical mortals, here for a hundred years or so?
	It would have a profound effect on all of the world, wouldn't it?
	Oh, profound.
	Completely.
	And that is why what I do It comes to such a challenge to most people, because once you realize that there is an afterlife, that there's a world beyond, and that your heaven or your hell is based upon your thoughts, words, and deeds, how you treat one another, once you realize that responsibility that you have, my God, you've got to change your whole way of life and living and how you think about someone, and many times you have to change your paradigm.
	The paradigm shifts, and many people, the majority of people out there, They don't want to take responsibility for themselves.
	They don't want to take responsibility.
	You know Danion Brinkley?
	Yes, very well.
	As a matter of fact, Danion recommended some time ago that I must get you on here.
	He just called me today.
	I just sent a message.
	Oh, did he really?
	Yes.
	Danion, when he died, had a full life review.
	Now, so here I want to ask you, what actually happens when you die?
	Is Danion's experience typical?
	In other words, do you relive... Danion said, It was interesting.
	He said, you know, you have a full-life review, and you feel everything that anybody ever felt from you.
	Yes, exactly.
	And I love that explanation he gives, because it is true.
	And again, I base this upon thousands and thousands of readings that I have done, and heard from Spear when they come back, and hundreds of books that I've read also on the subject from all over the world, because I'm a natural researcher.
	Many, many times a spirit will come back and they'll talk about their review.
	They have like when they pass over.
	And again, they're outside of time when they pass over.
	There's no such thing as time in the spirit world.
	It's only relative in the physical world.
	So I can't say they do it in a day.
	It's different.
	It's an experience.
	You're experiencing everything.
	And what happens is you see your life in almost like movies, or some people have explained it like a huge television set, which is broken down into sections.
	And you will see how you affected someone.
	Let's say you were in a very bad mood one day and you went to the bank and you yelled at the teller.
	You will feel how that teller felt when you yelled at that person.
	And then you'll see how the teller got so angry and turned to the co-worker and yelled at the co-worker and upset that person and so forth and so on.
	And you sell each person's self based upon your one initial word or feeling.
	And then you have to try to forgive yourself.
	And that's hell.
	That's exactly where I was going.
	That sounds like hell.
	You know, I have hurt people in my life.
	I know that.
	And I can sit here right now and go back through it.
	Now, I can't know for sure what the other person felt, but it scares the hell out of me.
	Because I know that I have hurt people.
	We all have.
	We're just not perfect.
	Exactly.
	We're not perfect.
	To go through that and to imagine that you would have to face up to what they felt That's really terrifying.
	But then it forces you to start living your life on this earth in a different way, doesn't it?
	Yes.
	Now you start thinking about your actions, your thoughts, words, and deeds.
	And then you start training yourself.
	You have to, you know, when you become a spiritual person, you take responsibility of that.
	How good are NDE's near-death experiences?
	Are they one of the best proofs, do you think, of an afterlife?
	Definitely.
	Definitely.
	Most definitely.
	I would say so.
	More so in some ways than what I do, because Well, you know, each person has an experience that's very real for them.
	But yes, I would say so, most definitely.
	When did you first find out that you were able to communicate across this dimensional barrier?
	Well, I was about, let's see, 14 years ago, I went to a medium from England.
	A lady I was working with said to me, and I was just working for some talent agency in a basement somewhere, she said, would you like to see a medium?
	And I said, what is that?
	And she said, he talks to the dead.
	And I didn't believe in it.
	I thought, sure, it's going to have to be a big laugh riot.
	And I walked in, and the first thing this man said to me was, I see lights around you.
	And he said things about me which no one knew.
	He brought through an uncle that passed over with a name, with details, and I was pretty blown away.
	And then he said to me, you're going to start doing what I'm doing in two years.
	The spirit people are telling me this.
	And I said, no way.
	I've enough trouble with the living.
	I want to talk to the dead.
	He said, you're going to.
	And I thought, this is fascinating.
	You know, I'm still very fascinated with this.
	And the research, the scientist in me wanted to find out more.
	So I read up on the subject about psychic phenomena, mediumship, life after death, NDs.
	And I started meditating and started just playing with the psychic stuff.
	And I must tell you that I was talking to some lady once, and I said, there's a grandmother around you.
	And I gave the name, and I said, is that Idaho?
	And she goes, yes, it's my mother.
	My grandmother lives in Idaho.
	And I said, she's showing me a rose-petaled footstool.
	And she said, well, she did needlepoint, and she made a footstool with roses, you know, and it was at her feet all the time.
	So, in other words, there was proof.
	Right, yes.
	After two years, almost to the day he said I would do this.
	Yeah, I don't know whether I could handle that or not, but James, hold on, we're at the top of the hour.
	Can you imagine that?
	A beginning to call things and say things and realize that you're absolutely correct.
	About those who have passed away, which means you are in communication with those who have gone to the other side, the other dimension, however you want to put it.
	Remarkable.
	James Van Praagh is my guest.
	we'll be right back now i think america's number one medium james of on-pron
	uh... that's that's quite a lot Yes, it is.
	And I certainly believe it.
	Thank you.
	Alright, somebody sends the following facts, it's a good one.
	Given that you can only transform energy, James, and not destroy it, Well, what do you understand the different and various forms of energy to be?
	Are there states or forms of energy which cannot be changed or, once changed, cannot be unchanged?
	What exactly is so special about our human form of energy?
	Well, there are many questions there, aren't there?
	Yes, there are.
	So, I can only say what I know, and I'm not a scientist, but I will Well, my belief is that there are different forms of energy, and what is energy?
	What is energy, first of all?
	It's basically energy, or molecules, that are vibrating or moving at a certain rate of speed.
	That's energy.
	I believe there are various frequencies, which means that the molecules move or vibrate at a much quicker rate, or a much slower rate.
	Okay?
	I believe our physical world will vibrate at a certain level.
	I do believe there are levels lower than ours, or slower than ours.
	And I believe there are those that are faster.
	And I believe there are some other dimensions, even, like we talked earlier.
	And even, I know on your show you often talk about other life systems, other life forms, and so forth.
	Yes, oh yes.
	I believe that they, themselves, other universes, are in another whole different energy system than we are.
	Of a dimension.
	I think that's what it is.
	Well, have you encountered life forms?
	Yes.
	Every October, and I was getting to this one, I love this one, because I know you talk about this a lot on your show.
	Of course.
	And every October I bring a group of people down to Sedona, Arizona.
	And we were once, about two years ago, we were privileged, I would say, to go to this private ranch down there.
	But supposedly there is underneath a beautiful, wonderful, what do you call it?
	An underground facility, if you will.
	Wait a minute now.
	Sedona underground facility?
	Excuse me?
	I always heard that Sedona was, what do they call it, a vortex of a point or an energy point?
	Vortex of energy, that's right.
	But underground?
	Underground.
	And most of these UFOs, if you want to call them that, are in that area because of the rich ore, the minerals in the earth.
	In the various energy centers, called vortexes, most of those vortexes will have a certain amount of rich minerals in the earth.
	Okay?
	Yes, because they're probably magnetically anomalous, so there's got to be a lot of very rich ore as you point out.
	Correct.
	And I believe, of course I know this, but I'm sure it has something to do with they need this for some reason, whatever reason it is, they need these minerals.
	So we went to this place, this ranch, And we went with a ufologist, and he was known for taking pictures, and on the pictures you would see the actual spots or colors or something of these vehicles or ships, whatever you want to call them.
	And there were about 25 people in our group there, and we waited.
	It was late night, and very interesting, and I don't know if you'd be sensitive to feel it or not, but I started hearing like this buzzing around me, and I started getting very agitated, as most other people.
	And then we noticed different lights in the sky, and different types of lights in the sky.
	And he had names for different ones.
	And they were, you know, I'm very skeptical of this whole thing.
	I mean, I really am.
	Are you?
	Yeah, but I believe in it because I've seen it.
	I've experienced it.
	And I would see, oh boy, they must be like, look at the star, it's a moving star.
	No, it isn't.
	It's going back and forth.
	And then we saw them jumping all over, and there were colors of green, orange, Blue, white, and they were linking back and forth.
	And they were all over.
	And then there were other ones that would just fly by, and he'd call them strobes.
	And sure enough, he'd go, there we go, and it would go right towards that ranch area, that underground facility.
	Anyway, we were there for an hour, and they grew and grew, and now, we still had binoculars, but you could see them with the negative eye also, you could see them very closely.
	It would look like a star, but you had to feel close enough, you'd see them moving, you'd see the colors involved.
	And after a while, I started sensing around me different energies.
	I felt a... You know, I can relate it to you.
	You know when you're standing in a room and sometimes you feel someone behind you?
	Absolutely.
	And you turn around and they're standing there?
	Of course.
	That is a feeling I can relate to.
	That's exactly what I felt.
	I felt this in the field in front of me.
	And I said to this man, Richard, I said, Richard, I'm feeling these energy forms or forces in pockets in front of me in the field.
	And he smiled and shook his head and said, mm-hmm, that's right, mm-hmm, because he's been doing this for quite a while.
	And I said, I feel as though telepathically I'm picking something up.
	Now listen, I didn't try to do this, it just flowed into my consciousness.
	He said, go get a message, see what you're getting.
	So I went over there and I just went into a meditative state and I was getting filled with this stuff.
	And I tell you, what I got was so profound in its simplicity.
	I heard that they were from the Pleiades.
	Well, here we go.
	And they said to me, love.
	Why is it so difficult for the human race to learn about love?
	You have love all around you, everywhere in your world, yet you never use it.
	I think love is probably the strongest force in the universe.
	That's what I think.
	You betcha.
	Pure white light.
	Pure light.
	Love can take away any fear.
	Anytime anyone fears, bring love.
	If you have trouble with love, just envision a beautiful light.
	But it's only a small component of what we've got down here, because we have hate, we have envy, we have greed, we have, boy, every range you can imagine, and a lot of them have absolutely nothing to do with love.
	So the strongest force in the universe is one we express rather sparingly.
	That's right.
	But you know, also, Art, we have to appreciate, and the way we appreciate love is by feeling these other things.
	Because you have to have duality, you see.
	You have to learn about the negative so you can appreciate the positive.
	You can't have the good without the bad.
	You can't know the good without the bad, right?
	Exactly right.
	So you can appreciate it more.
	But yet, you know, I think that people should have a space with love.
	I mean, it's there.
	I guess it takes evolution for each soul to evolve on their own, their own path and their own progression.
	But love is the answer.
	I'll tell you, love is it.
	And that's one of the things about why I do the work I do.
	The love bond that we create on this earth with our loved ones, they transcend death.
	And I'll tell you, those emotions are so real when I bring them through.
	Oh, yes.
	That's why I do it, because I feel a rush of energy when I do this work, which I cannot describe to you.
	How can you describe love?
	How can we describe it?
	It's like describing the wind.
	Oh, I'm glad you brought that up.
	One of the most interesting lines in the movie Contact, which I love so dearly, was when Jodie Foster was talking to this man in the cloth.
	And, you know, he asked her, in a moment of trying to get to the proof of things, he said, did you love your father?
	And Jodie Foster said, oh, yes, of course.
	Deeply.
	And he said, prove it.
	She just stood there, wide-eyed, and of course, how do you prove that?
	There's no words that you can say that will prove that you love somebody.
	It's just something that is.
	It just is.
	It's a different language.
	And now when you ask me about skeptics, what do I say to skeptics?
	What can I say to skeptics?
	How can I describe it?
	You can't describe these things.
	They're feelings.
	How can you describe feelings?
	How can you describe feelings?
	Well, you did a little bit of it because you've written a number one bestseller.
	True.
	But how can you describe something you have no words for in the English language also?
	There's no words that can express certain feelings that come through.
	Well, you can talk about feelings.
	Right.
	Although, when I went to the Great Pyramid and got to lay in the sarcophagus, I felt something that you're absolutely right.
	I have been totally unable to describe Give words to properly describe what I felt when I was laying in there.
	Right.
	It was, it was, well there you are.
	See, I really can't talk too much about it.
	My whole body knew it.
	Everything, I mean it was just, see, no words.
	That's it.
	So for some things there really are not words to impart.
	Exactly right.
	And this is one of those things.
	Tell me about talking, tell me about heaven.
	That's about heaven.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Everybody wants to know about heaven.
	What lies on the other side?
	You've talked to people there.
	You must know.
	Sure.
	Well, in the book I talk a little bit about that, because I also, in the book, I bring through different sessions that I've done.
	And, of course, inevitably with a session, the spirit will talk about their living, or what they're doing, and so forth.
	And I have found that, I don't know if I can describe it, in the Bible it says that the Father has a house with many mansions.
	And what that means is the various spiritual levels which exist, of which there are many, many levels.
	And we go to that level that we create based upon our life on the Earth.
	Most everyday average people have no problem, no worry, because they'll go to a decent human being, they'll go to a decent place.
	It's a very real world.
	It's a very solid world.
	Because the energy, the molecules vibrate at a very, very, very fast speed.
	So when the spirit body, which vibrates at the same fast speed, Leaves is dense, physical, slow-moving earth.
	Yes.
	And goes that fast vibration.
	That is a solid world.
	And this is a ghost world to them.
	It is very solid.
	There are trees and flowers.
	They talk about forests of flowers.
	So that becomes reality.
	This becomes the fading dream.
	That's exactly right.
	Wow.
	And so there's trees.
	There's homes.
	There's... Homes.
	There's exactly right.
	Meadows.
	Schools.
	Halls of learning.
	Made of mother of pearl.
	All right.
	Let me tell you how really limited I am.
	All right?
	the symphony, it's so interesting, they talk about the symphony playing and you actually
	see the notes and the feelings of color coming off the player as they are playing this instrument.
	You see all the essence of the love of the musical notes.
	You see, because we're so, this is earth, we're just so limited.
	Alright, let me tell you how really limited I am, alright?
	I can conceive of heaven.
	I can conceive of a wonderful place, but it does not include wings flitting about on clouds,
	soft harp music.
	It includes some rather, as I think about it now, James, some rather earthly kinds of things.
	It includes women.
	It includes the NFL, it includes beer, it includes radio, it includes all the things that I love, and if those things aren't there, then that wouldn't be heaven for me.
	So... You got it right.
	Heaven is what you make it.
	Heaven is your own consciousness.
	Really?
	That's exactly right.
	And if you wanted to play the piano down here, you never had a chance to.
	You can play it over there.
	If you want to drink beer over there, you can drink beer over there.
	All right, we'll see you over there.
	Green Bay would have won.
	Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
	And they do play sports over there.
	They have activities.
	Many times I've brought through a man.
	I said, well, he's talking about golf.
	Doesn't that man like to play golf on the earth?
	He said, oh yes, he played all the time.
	Actually, he's showing me golf.
	He's playing golf over there.
	Ah, ah, ah.
	So it does happen.
	Definitely happens.
	Are there... And there aren't, you're right, there are no... I'm sorry to say, I write this in a book too, and I felt so bad for certain people, because they pay so much on this, about angels with wings, and I say, I'm sorry, but that doesn't exist.
	That's mythology.
	And I do believe that that came about when someone had an appearance of a spirit in the room, and around the spirit, of course, was an aura.
	Electromagnetic field, like we all have.
	Yes.
	And that's what they saw, was that aura.
	And they interpreted that as wings.
	And I believe that's where that came from.
	As a matter of fact, it's interesting you should mention auras, because my guest this coming week on Dreamland is going to talk about auras.
	It's one of the most... I've been searching for a guest on this subject for I don't know how long.
	Do you see auras?
	I see... yes, I do see auras.
	I see auras, and I will tell you, it's stronger with certain people than other people.
	And it's very interesting, because the aura, of course, records your thoughts, your feelings, your emotions, your mental state, your health state.
	And many times I'll see things, like colors.
	For instance, I'll see a lot of green around someone, around their neck area, their shoulder.
	And I'll say to them, you're having trouble with your shoulder and neck, aren't you?
	And they'll say, yes, I have a pain there.
	Green means pain.
	Healing.
	Well, green is healing.
	Oh, I see.
	And pink is love.
	And yellow is a lot of mental activity.
	A person's thinking a lot, they'll have a lot of yellow in the head area.
	It happens quite a bit.
	I feel the energy, too, around them.
	Besides seeing the aura, I'll feel the aura.
	What about the opposite?
	What about ill health?
	What about a spirit that is troubled, or a murderer, or, you know?
	Well, first of all, ill health.
	Like, when I see someone for a sitting or reading, I will scan the body.
	What I do is I scan the energy of the body, and I don't know if I can explain how I do it, except I sit with a pen and a piece of paper, and I used to do this before I even knew anything about it.
	I go up and down the spine, I've got a piece of paper, I'll draw a figure, a thick figure of them, and I, believe it or not, will stop at a certain place, On their body, where the energy, there's an energy block, where the energy is not flowing up and down the spine correctly.
	Okay?
	And I'll say, there's something wrong with your heart.
	Have you had heart trouble?
	Yes, I have had heart trouble.
	I have a bowel problem, or I had, you know, bypass.
	Because it's broken, and the energy, it's recorded there.
	And you can see it in the energy field.
	When someone is ill, for instance, AIDS or cancer, the body is depleted, the energy force is depleted.
	They will wake up in a spirit world, and they usually will find themselves in a hospital setting.
	In the spirit world?
	In a spirit world, in a hospital setting.
	Not like our hospitals, per se.
	Very more comfortable and beautiful.
	It's not horrible like we have here.
	And what happens is the prana, the energy of life, they breathe this into them, and it recharges them, vitalizes them.
	And then they come into the consciousness of where they are.
	And they have no more ill health.
	No more feeling of, oh, I feel terrible.
	If they had a limb that was missing, they will have it right back.
	What about age?
	Now, many of us don't get this horrible illness.
	It takes us early.
	But rather, we get to be very old, very decrepit, a hundred years old, and then we pop off.
	And you don't want to think that you end up on the other side at a hundred.
	Well, we're here to learn, aren't we?
	This is our schoolroom.
	And we never stop learning.
	That's why it's always wonderful, because The soul is... the mind is part of the soul.
	And every experience we have is recorded in the mind, you see?
	Yes.
	The mind transcends.
	But the brain will die off.
	Everything is recorded in the mind.
	So what I said is really dumb.
	There's nothing physical about it on the other side.
	You don't translate at 30 years old that you die with a pretty body and end up with the one on the other side.
	It doesn't work that way.
	Well, what happens if you die at 70 or 80 or 90 or whatever, you usually will go back to the prime of your life.
	You should go back to that healthy time of your life, the prime of your life that you choose.
	Oh, really?
	Oh, yeah.
	So, in other words, you do, then, have some kind of physical presence on the other side?
	Oh, you certainly do, and I've brought many spirits, and I've described this person, and they say, oh, yes.
	And many times, it's so funny, I'd like to have some lady come through and say, she's telling me about her wedding picture, that you have her wedding picture.
	Like, I'll be talking to her daughter.
	I'll say, she looks just like she did in her wedding picture.
	And, you know, very young, very young.
	That's very interesting.
	Very interesting.
	And there is a real physical world.
	Very, very physical.
	Every bit as physical and real as this one.
	More so.
	Even more so, they say.
	They can smell things.
	And they ask, where is God?
	Where is God over there?
	And the answer they come back with is, God is everywhere.
	You see God in the flowers.
	You feel God in every living thing.
	You have a sense of God and order.
	You have a perfect order here.
	There is nature there, as there is here.
	There is nature there.
	There are animals over there.
	Animals?
	And they're not fierce animals.
	You can talk to the animals.
	You can... by telepathy.
	Everything's done with telepathy over there.
	You don't have to speak.
	It's all done by the mind.
	You see?
	And there's no reason for them to fear over there.
	There's no fear.
	And people are revealed for who they are.
	It's almost like with no clothes on, you see who the person is for their true being.
	See?
	Everything is uncovered.
	You are completely naked in that you are who you are.
	People see you for your character of who you are.
	Isn't that scary?
	That's exactly what I was sitting here thinking.
	Isn't that scary?
	I want to talk a little bit more about animals because there's some pretty weird things going on right now in our world with animals.
	And I'll tell you about that and you can comment on it when we come back.
	My guest is James Von Prague.
	He's the nation's, I think, premier spiritual medium.
	He also has the nation's number one bestseller right now, a book called Talking to Heaven.
	So obviously an awful lot of people believe what James Onfrog does is absolutely right on the money.
	From the high desert, the place that will answer, this is Coast to Coast AM.
	This is James Von Praag.
	James, welcome back.
	Thank you.
	I've got some challenging facts for you here, okay?
	Okay.
	Alright, your guest tonight, James Von Praag, is dead wrong.
	First, not everyone goes to heaven.
	Probably a whole lot fewer than you think.
	Now, do you agree or disagree with that?
	How did I know?
	Well... I think you go to where you... what you created, I think.
	No, you don't know, but you're supposed to know.
	Well, like I said earlier, you create your own heaven or your own hell.
	Based upon the way you live your life, or in your beliefs.
	Okay, then, key question, James.
	When you reach out to speak to some people that you are asked to speak to, how many times do you find them in hell instead of heaven?
	Ah, well, very interesting, because it depends on what you think of hell.
	Hell is not fire and brimstone.
	How about just a situation they're not at all comfortable with?
	Thank you, that's hell.
	That's hell, indeed.
	They can't forgive themselves.
	They feel so upset about how they treated someone else on Earth.
	They have a hard time forgiving themselves for how they treated someone.
	How they didn't let someone live to the expression of who they were.
	That they put them down.
	A wife treats her husband horribly.
	You know, they would have to come back.
	Do you remember the Twilight Zone, James?
	Oh, of course.
	I love that show.
	Alright.
	Do you remember there was one episode of a guy Who passed on, went to this place where he was sentenced, apparently, to live with his horrible, shrieking shrew of a wife, who just tore into him every minute.
	And that, of course, would be... would be... certainly would be hell.
	You bet!
	That would be hell.
	So, I mean, do you find people in that sort of a condition?
	Oh, sure I do.
	A lot of times I find people, yes.
	That's when I tell people who I'm sitting with, you know, now it's up to you to forgive this person.
	Send them forgiveness.
	Send them thoughts of love.
	Tell them, you know, it's okay.
	You know, you forgive them.
	Because it'll help them to forgive themselves, you see.
	It'll help the spirit to forgive themselves and move on.
	You know, and they have to realize they're not perfect.
	And I find it especially true in suicides.
	I find that many of those who pass on find it very, very difficult to, you know, see what they've done.
	And I have a whole chapter in the book about it.
	And it's awful.
	It's awful.
	Suicide is not painless.
	Well, suicide is not painless.
	No, it's not quite the opposite.
	There was one story I have where this man hung himself, and he actually showed me, and this does not happen that often, he showed me what it felt like with him when he left the body.
	Straight out of the top of the head, he hung himself and came right out of the body, and he was showing me himself looking down, and he was so upset, what he did, he tried getting back into the body, and he couldn't get in.
	He could not get in.
	And then he felt his first parents go through the grief.
	And break down, and he felt so sorry for what he had done to them.
	Horrible, you see.
	He had to live that, in other words, what they felt.
	Oh, my.
	He had to feel what they were feeling, and see what he caused for what he did.
	That, to me, is hell.
	Alright, what about a suicide of a different sort of nature?
	For example, somebody in the final, wasted, painful, horrible stages of AIDS or cancer, one would think that under those conditions of suicide would be Would be different, in my heaven anyway, or my hell, that the relatives of that person might be relieved to know that person is no longer in horrible, wracked pain.
	Right.
	So it might be different.
	Or is it not?
	Is suicide still... It might be not, but let's put it this way.
	Let's look at it that we are down here to learn certain lessons.
	And perhaps, you know, when you pass away, you realize, oh gosh, this is just a small place that we do live on.
	There is no such thing as death.
	And there's an expansion of consciousness.
	And you look at it, well, that wasn't too bad.
	It was only 70 years.
	Got that one very quickly.
	Sure.
	You know, well, let's just look at it this way.
	What happens if a person chooses to go through the experience of AIDS or cancer?
	Right.
	Because by choosing that, perhaps they alleviate the negative karma of mankind, that mankind has created by their violence, how they treat one another.
	You see, there's karma of the planet.
	There's karma of the country, of the planet, and so forth.
	And these brave souls might alleviate some of that negative karma by sacrificing themselves.
	James, do they choose that, or is it predestined?
	I believe that, well, both.
	I believe they do choose it.
	I do believe they choose it, and I do believe, you know, you have to look at it also, that maybe by taking on this condition of this AIDS or cancer, maybe they're teaching their family and their loved ones unconditional love.
	Maybe they're teaching them lessons in love.
	And how do we know that that soul who has this disease is not supposed to go through that experience?
	For the whole experience of it.
	We don't know.
	How do we know that that individual might have, for some reason, maybe something was developed that would stop that death if they waited a little bit longer?
	You know, we don't know these things.
	Alright, two more questions, same vein.
	Abortion.
	Right, right, right.
	I get that asked a lot.
	You know, that's very interesting.
	I have abortion and miscarriages.
	Usually, I find, is a lesson for the mother.
	Because you have to remember, the spirit comes in and out of the body anywhere from seven months before it's born, because it can come in and out three months after it's born.
	In and out.
	In and out.
	Wait a minute, you can have a three-month soulless being?
	The baby comes in and out of that body, or the spirit comes in and out of that body quite often, up to three or four months after the baby is born.
	Why in and out?
	In and out of the head.
	It's adjusting itself to the new vibration of the body, usually.
	It's working things out.
	And it goes in and out.
	It'll come out of the head area.
	So then at the moment... What's the lesson that closes the baby?
	At the moment of conception, the spirit is not inculcated.
	Correctly.
	That's correct.
	Well, that settles a big argument.
	And most of the time, the woman, the pregnant woman, the mother-to-be, the spirit of the baby will be around her, around the midsection, coming in and checking out the new home and going back and forth.
	And abortion, I found, is very much a lesson in the woman, her own lesson in growth.
	I have found many, many women to be very guilty after an abortion.
	Of course.
	Many, many, and I believe it's a lesson in love.
	A lot of them carry that guilt their whole life.
	Oh God, and I'll tell you a story that's very interesting.
	I work with some Philippine healers, and many times I've seen them open up women with their hands, or go right to the midsection, and they pull out yards and yards of this red Gloppy stuff.
	Solid, solid material.
	And what that is, is it's a materialization of the guilt that this woman has carried with her all these years.
	She said, did you have an abortion?
	I said, yes.
	This is a materialization of that negative charge.
	It's a negative charge, and it has to manifest physically in order to be taken out.
	You have seen these Filipino healers do this?
	Oh yeah, and I've seen Brazilians do it.
	I go down to Brazil every year.
	I'm going in March, and I see them.
	They do this.
	They go right through the body.
	They pull the negative charges out.
	You see, it has to exist on a certain level.
	Here we talk about frequency again.
	The last frequency it exists on is the physical.
	First there is thought, and then you will manifest that thought.
	We are creative beings.
	We are God beings.
	What is God?
	A pure creative energy, constantly creating, creating.
	We are constantly creating, and we have to be careful of our thoughts.
	If we create negative thoughts, we will manifest things negatively.
	We'll cause negative things to happen.
	You bet.
	And I believe that, like cancers and other dis-harmonies, they're imbalances, imbalances of the body, with our thoughts, and the guilt, and so forth.
	And they will manifest if we do not clean it up, if we do not heal ourselves, if we do not, you know, balance ourselves out, instead of having the right way of thinking.
	We make ourselves sick.
	You got it.
	Then we can also make ourselves well.
	You got it.
	We have the power of healing within ourselves.
	Let me tell you a very interesting story.
	I received some photographs that staggered me the other day.
	Are you familiar with Dr. Lorraine Day?
	No, I'm not.
	Okay.
	She worked in San Francisco, worked on a lot of AIDS patients.
	She then, later in life, and she's now about 60, got cancer herself.
	And I've got a photograph of her cancer.
	It's really gross.
	It's a gigantic, horrible tumor.
	And Lorraine Day cured herself.
	She cured herself spiritually and actually This thing is gone.
	It's gone.
	I've got photographs before and after.
	It's remarkable.
	So people can heal themselves, can't they?
	They certainly can.
	The power of the mind is very, very strong.
	And the power of God.
	And you have to be careful.
	You have to be very careful of those other people out there.
	Medical people and so forth.
	I know.
	If a medical society would work with alternative ways of healing, boy, we'd certainly be a much more healthy society than we are now.
	Alright, you talked about suicide.
	What about This is really a hard one.
	What about the death penalty?
	Again, I hate to refer to it, but I refer to that in my book because people have asked me that, but capital punishment.
	Sure.
	It's not suicide, or is it?
	Well, you know, every life should be treated with love.
	Respect and all that?
	You bet it should.
	First of all, We're unleashing an individual.
	Let's say they're upset that they're going to be dead, which mostly they would, and we release this being, this soul, who is obviously very negative, or thinking very negative, or upset.
	Let's say they were the criminal, they were guilty, and so forth.
	Instead of educating these people, opening up their spiritual selves and their nature, we unleash this being to A world of spirit, okay?
	Now, they will go to lower vibrations more than likely.
	You talk about hell, they'll go to a darker level or a slower level because, let's say, the negativity, the guilt that they've committed, the crimes that they've committed to fellow people.
	What happens is, they're pissed off that they're dead, number one.
	And they want to get, most of the time, they want to get back.
	They want to get back to this earth because they're upset and they want to relive life They will very, very often, and they have no awareness of the spiritual world whatsoever, they're thrown into it, and they will many, many times walk on this earth influencing other people of lower consciousness to do crime and so forth, to carry on what their consciousness was.
	Well, in that case, we're unleashing Evil on ourselves.
	Thank you.
	When we do this, I'm following your train of logic.
	Exactly right.
	And it's up to us to have the responsibility to change that.
	The criminal system is so messed up.
	It really should be to help those people.
	Help those souls, those poor souls.
	Because, you know, they don't know any better.
	I believe that certain people have that consciousness, or a certain level of consciousness, and we have to help them.
	I must say, who are we to judge?
	I know it's of course not right to take a human life and so forth.
	I don't think it is.
	Well we generally, now remember James, we only generally execute the very worst.
	I mean the people who have committed heinous crimes, mutilated people, raped and done the very worst, double and triple murderers, that kind of thing.
	Yes, but if we release that individual and we have released them without helping them to progress spiritually, they will be released at a very low, low, low level.
	And they will influence those other beings on this earth, like mine, I'll tell you.
	The same thing with people with drugs and alcohol.
	You know, many times there are alcoholics who pass over and they miss that drink, or they really want that drink, and they will go to clubs and bars, and you know, the aura, we talked about the aura before, the electromagnetic field, if there's someone that's a substance abuser, alcoholic or drug addict, and they drink and drink and drink, what that does, the psychic web, or the aura, It puts little pinprick holes in that aura, in that energy field, and these lower influences, these alcoholics, these spirits, alcoholics, will miss that essence.
	They want to taste again.
	They will influence that individual.
	You know the term vampire?
	Oh, yes.
	Where it comes from.
	What do they need?
	The source of life, blood they need.
	Well, this is the essence of life.
	They will attach themselves to these beings at a bar or club.
	And they will start influencing them to drink, because the spirit can receive the essence of that drink, and it'll taste very real to them.
	You know the expression, oh, he's not himself when he drinks?
	Yeah.
	You bet he isn't.
	You bet he isn't.
	So their sentence, is the only way I can think of it, would be to remain on earth, to influence others to be as they were, and vicariously It's really consciousness.
	It's really the awareness that they have, the awareness level to where they're at.
	If they don't know any better, then they won't go anywhere.
	You see?
	It's all about progression and learning.
	And one has to be able to have that awareness, or want to learn, want to be enlightened.
	And there are many souls in the spirit realm who go down to those lower levels, those very low levels, and try to help those souls, to bring them up to a higher level of consciousness.
	But some don't want to know anything about it.
	They were stubborn on the earth.
	They don't want to believe in anything.
	They won't go over there.
	They want to stay tied to that physical, you know, that gratification.
	All right, here's somebody really taking on.
	He says, um, James says that his God is totally a God of love.
	Maybe he hasn't read the Bible lately.
	Oh, I love those Bible people.
	He is a God of love, but, and the but is in capitals, he's also a God of Justice.
	He does not tolerate certain things, like it or not.
	Some people will go to hell by their own choice, not God's.
	He only complies with your wishes.
	Interesting.
	Very interesting.
	And to some degree true by your own description.
	In other words, not everybody is embraced by God's love.
	Some of these people are rotten souls indeed, and they stay down here doing their rotten little work.
	Well, that person's idea of God is a little different, too.
	Let me explain further about God.
	I believe that you are God.
	I believe that I am God.
	I believe every single person on this earth is God.
	That God's spark inside them.
	We all have that God's spark.
	I find it so hysterical, Art, that people limit God, and people limit God to one religion.
	I think it's hysterical they can do that.
	How can we do that?
	My God, you can't limit my God.
	My God, you just don't limit.
	It's beyond our comprehension.
	Way beyond our comprehension.
	There's a lot of things about God that are beyond my comprehension.
	I mean, Saddam Hussein will say, we're going to war, and God is on our side, and we'll be victorious.
	And we will say the very same thing, as will the Chinese, as will the Tibetans, as will anybody out there who goes to war.
	God is on their side!
	Sure, sure.
	Now let's start talking about religion and organized religion and so forth, and my way What I'm saying or thinking about this is the following.
	I believe that, and I'm going to get flack for it, and that's fine, this is my way of thinking.
	I believe that most religions are man-made.
	They are man-made rules.
	The Bible is man-made, okay?
	Oh, you are going to get flack.
	The Bible is man-made.
	Not the absolute, definitive, specific word of God, but... Oh, please.
	The Bible has essences of the truth.
	I'm not saying it's not true, the Bible.
	There are parts of the Bible which are very, very true.
	Essences of the truth?
	Yes, there are bits and pieces of the Bible of truth.
	But unfortunately, I think man has influenced the Bible and the writings of the Bible so much to really empower themselves, okay?
	To create a power, the man power, that man control.
	And that's what religion was born out of.
	What about the Dead Sea Scrolls?
	Or what about evidence that the Bible is accurate?
	I believe the original Bible probably was.
	But I also believe that it was interpreted so many different times, and so many different ways, and translated so many different ways, and everyone had their own take on it, their own gain on it, if you know what I mean.
	Yes.
	That it had to come out a certain way.
	You see, if you can control the masses, then you have power.
	You have the earthly power.
	How do you control the masses?
	Well, you control them by fear.
	You control them by fear.
	If you don't do this, this is going to happen to you.
	Someone said the opiate of the masses.
	There you go.
	You either have fear or you have love.
	You have dark or you have light.
	There's always that duality again.
	That's what it is.
	Oh, you're going to get in trouble.
	That's okay.
	People can have religion.
	I think it's very important that certain people have that.
	If they need that, then that's good.
	I'm not judging.
	I'm not saying it's a bad thing.
	But I think everyone has a right to believe the way they're going to believe.
	Well, let's test what you don't believe in the Bible.
	The Bible begins with Genesis, the creation of all.
	Right.
	Let there be light and so forth and so on.
	The creation of the earth.
	The placement of Adam and then Eve.
	All of that baloney?
	Oh no, I don't believe that.
	I believe a lot of that Bible story, I think some of it is baloney.
	I think Adam and Eve is baloney.
	I think it's mythological.
	No Adam and Eve.
	Oh, I don't believe that.
	But I do believe there's an essence or power as a source.
	Where did we come from?
	I think we've always been.
	I think we've always been.
	Didn't we crawl out of some sort of, I mean, a lot of scientists would say, look, there was a muck, there was a gunk, there was an ocean, there was a sudden bolt of lightning, there was life!
	And we crawled from the ocean on our little bellies.
	I think there was an evolution, definitely.
	I do believe that.
	Again, I don't know if spiritually, you know, I think of the consciousness of mankind.
	I think that consciousness did transcend over these eons of time, definitely.
	And I think that corresponds with physical as well, with the physical manifestation and involvement.
	So you buy evolution?
	Yes.
	The hand of God, though, involved in evolution?
	Oh, yes, in everything.
	We're constantly learning.
	We're constantly growing.
	Constantly learning and growing.
	Always.
	That's what's so wonderful about life.
	Life is just constantly growing.
	That's what is no gesture.
	Constantly learning and growing and living.
	Life is living.
	Constantly experiencing, experiencing, growing, creating, creating.
	Being one with that creative force.
	Alright, I didn't ask you about animals, and I'm going to definitely do it after the top of the hour, and we will be taking calls.
	James on Prog is my guest.
	We are not going to do readings, but we're going to take calls about the topic that you're listening to right now.
	In other words, you know, what's over there.
	This is Coast to Ghost AM.
	Now to James on Prague and we are having a general discussion with him.
	He is fully capable of communicating with those who have passed on, but we are not going to do that on the phone this time.
	We are going to rather have a general discussion and general questions, when we get to them on the lines here shortly, about what we're talking about.
	And we are talking about many things on the other side.
	James, I want to ask you a little bit about animals.
	I've got a story here in front of me, and I've had too many of these lately.
	Associated Press, from Massachusetts.
	Rescuers struggled in cold, windy weather and rough seas Friday to save Dozens of dolphins off of Cape Cod, where more than 50 of the animals have died in the past two days.
	White striped dolphins began inexplicably beaching themselves Thursday morning.
	Many dying from exposure.
	Others were euthanized on the spot.
	Scientists say nobody really knows why the animals strand like this.
	One theory is they move in social groups.
	They think in social groups.
	And when one or two get sick and go ashore, sometimes the entire group follows them in committing suicide.
	Any thoughts on this?
	More and more these days, we are having this really weird thing where dolphins and whales, rare as they are, are killing themselves.
	I do believe there's a group consciousness there happening.
	I definitely believe in that.
	I know about that.
	Telepathically, they communicate with each other.
	For the reason why they're doing this, I don't know.
	I certainly would... I don't know, but I would certainly think that man should start questioning things about the sea and how their responsibility to the ocean and the life forms that are in that ocean as well.
	This is going to sound really strange to you, I suppose, and to a lot of people out there who are going to go poo-poo, but I am really, really close.
	I have three cats and a dog.
	And I'm a cat person.
	I am really close to my cats.
	I mean, I think that I can communicate with them telepathically.
	Sure.
	And I know I can, in fact.
	That's all there is to it.
	I can telepathically talk to my wild cat and he will suddenly just melt down and let me pet him and is suddenly very calm.
	And this is normally a wild animal.
	And so somebody here, Irene in Montana, writes, Art, please ask James if we will again see pets who have died and to whom we have been very, very attached.
	Yes, I mean, again, there's a chapter in my book about animals, and I can't tell you, I mean, it's so incredible, the love bonds that are there between the living and I mean, it's just incredible, this bond.
	Very strong.
	I had a demonstration once with 400, 500 people, and I went to this girl in the second row of the auditorium, and I said, there's a lady standing here, and I said, she's a grandmother, and she's from the other side of the family, and I said, this is a very odd thing, but she's giving you a cat, and it's a black and white cat, and she's handing this cat to you, and the girl broke down, I mean, completely broke down in tears, and I said, what is the matter?
	And she said, when I was standing in line to come in here, I concentrated on my little cat, the cat that died last week.
	I had to put the cat down, and I just wanted to communicate with her.
	Yeah, I absolutely understand that.
	Boy, do I understand that.
	Now, but the best part is, she said, and I understand why my grandmother gave me the cat, and I said, what is that?
	She said, well, on the earth, my grandmother, when she was alive, you know, as a little girl, she gave me this cat as a kitten.
	And now here's the grandmother in spirit giving her back her cat this way.
	And I've had examples of animals coming through.
	Oh, incredible!
	Even down to the detail.
	I once had this girl come to me who was deaf, and she had a dog that would let her know if someone was at the door and so forth.
	And the dog died.
	And again, this girl came to my office.
	I knew nothing about her.
	I didn't know who she wanted to contact whatsoever.
	And I said, there's a dog in the room here.
	It's a spirit dog.
	And I said, it's very strange.
	It's talking about a red light.
	And she goes, yes, I understand that.
	So the interpreter, yes, I understand that.
	And I said, the dog talks about you bringing it to the corner on Fridays and getting milk and bread at the corner store.
	And you used to tie it outside and it used to sit and wait for you.
	And she said, that's exactly right.
	I said, it also talks about the red collar.
	Describe the collar perfectly.
	See, I've had animals describe their death condition.
	I've had one animal say, oh, it had arthritis.
	Oh, the animal said it had arthritis in its legs.
	and you had to carry it up the steps.
	And the lady broke down and said, that's exactly right.
	Animals are pure.
	I mean, they have pure love.
	Look at the lessons they teach us in unconditional love.
	Oh, it's absolutely true.
	So then animals have souls?
	Of course, they have life force.
	They have life force.
	I do believe the animals... Now, you're really brushing up against Bible people now.
	They would say, that's absolute boulderdash.
	Animals do not have souls.
	They are put here for us to use.
	Oh my gosh, how egocentric.
	How could God do something like that?
	They have life force, okay?
	Everything has life force.
	You're damn right I believe that.
	They have life force.
	You bet they have life force.
	You bet.
	And they will be with us again.
	There's another story, which is a wonderful story, about This man, and this was done from, the story is from an English medium back in, gosh, early 1930s or 40s.
	And in my research, I read this story about a man, he had a horse.
	Everyone had died in his family, and he only had this horse, like, oh, 20 odd years or whatever.
	Right.
	And it turned out to be an old nag.
	Well, the man passed, oh, the horse died.
	The horse died, and the man was heartbroken.
	And that, you know, 15, whatever, five years later, the man died.
	And the first thing that he saw on the other side when he got there, When he came to consciousness, over this green hill came
	this beautiful white horse.
	It was not the old nag that he knew.
	It was the same horse, but it was as full as could be and healthy and young.
	That bond was so strong.
	That's the first image he got of the horse.
	Okay, then if animals have souls, they have spirit, they have life as we do, just the
	way we do, light force.
	I absolutely believe that.
	Then what about people who eat animals?
	There you go.
	What do you mean, there I go?
	There I go what?
	I think that we have to be respectful to the animal kingdom.
	Listen, I can't confess to say I don't eat red meat, because I do eat red meat, not all the time.
	Not all the time at all, because the first thing, I think you have to realize, well, it's a hard one, because I don't think that man is supposed to eat animals, per se.
	I think if we did things properly, we'd eat what's in the land and grow things.
	Maybe fish, perhaps, I think that would be fine.
	I do believe that we should be very careful of animals.
	All that Oprah Winfrey is ridiculous.
	I just think this is so ridiculous in so many ways.
	Do you think she's going to prevail?
	I think she will because I think we have freedom in this country to say what we've got to say.
	This country is based on freedom of speech.
	Maybe we do.
	Maybe.
	Let's hope so.
	Listen, you mentioned the UK.
	Let me read you a story from the UK.
	I've got it right here.
	It says, this year has seen reports of ghosts from war zones to the bedroom.
	Listen to this.
	It appears that some of those who have passed over to the spirit world are unwilling to be kept from the pleasures ...of the flesh.
	A black pool woman called in a priest, two psychics, and a Mormon missionary to try to rid her of a ghost that she claimed regularly sexually attacked her.
	The attacks began in 1994 when she felt something or somebody climb into bed with her.
	She claimed it pulled off the towel she was wearing about her head and said that it was going to, quote, make love to her, end quote.
	She then felt a vile sensation Again, quoting, like tiny needles trying to pierce my skin, end quote.
	What's going on?
	Quite common.
	Quite common.
	They're on that very low, low energy.
	Again, like I mentioned before, it's that earthly sensation.
	It's that physical sensation.
	They have to get back to the level that they're on, the consciousness they're on.
	They're tied to that earthly desire.
	That does happen, and it's quite frequent, more than you'd think.
	When I first opened up psychically, I started to be aware of beings or sensations or spirits around me.
	Much of the time, I'd be waking up in the middle of the night, and there would be a very sexual feeling around me.
	Really?
	There were beings there.
	I don't know if it was women or men or what it was.
	It was a feeling of sexual energy, and it wasn't coming from me.
	And it was around, yeah.
	It's very real, that stuff.
	So there are spirits, then, that remain at a lower physical level after they pass?
	There are many levels, many levels of consciousness.
	And they're still seeking sexual pleasure, pleasures of the flesh?
	Sure, and why not?
	You know, I often say that You know, there are some people that work at a job forever and ever and ever, and they have no sense of moving on, advancing.
	You mean like our president?
	Well... God!
	Let's not go there.
	Sorry, Bob.
	I couldn't resist.
	But, you know, everyone has a sense of moving on when they're going to move on.
	You know, each soul grows when they're ready to grow.
	And they might not have an awareness about growing.
	There are those beings on that level of consciousness and maybe not aware of the growth. There
	are people that passed over that don't even know they've passed over, you know? All right, here's
	another one for you. Again, from the UK News, they're a rich source for all kinds of good things.
	Terrifying accounts of gravely ill people who claim to have been dragged virtually to the gates of
	hell by demons are to be studied scientifically for the first time by a British psychologist.
	The existence of so-called NDEs, which dying people report having mystical sensations before being resuscitated now, widely accepted by doctors and scientists and people of course like you, James, Their cause is unknown, but they typically involve a feeling of peace followed by a sensation of floating up through a tunnel towards a bright light into a beautiful kingdom.
	But, it is now becoming clear that for many people, NDEs are far from blissful.
	Instead of having a feeling of floating upwards, they report being pulled down toward a pit inhabited by demons.
	And they are going to study this.
	Now, of course, when people have this, they don't report it.
	You don't come back and say, guess what?
	I just went to hell and came back.
	So you don't get a lot of reports of that.
	But apparently, apparently a lot of people are now coming forward and fessing up.
	And I would have to question that person's own belief system about demons and so forth.
	You know, I'd have to question that.
	I'd have to question who they were, what they were, what guilt they were carrying around with them.
	All right.
	I have always been extremely skeptical, James, I must tell you, of something called channeling.
	religious background, you know, I have to question all these things.
	You have to consider the source.
	All right.
	I have always been extremely skeptical, James, I must tell you, of something called channeling.
	And frankly, even what you do, James, I have been very skeptical because it seems like
	there is so much room for fraud.
	Right.
	Now, in your own field, I mean, you're at the top of your field, and you're very well respected, but let's face it, not all mediums are on the up and up, are they?
	Oh God, no.
	No, unfortunately.
	That's why it's so hard for me to do what I have to do.
	I always have to prove myself, because there are those individuals out there who have no consciousness, and they try to take advantage of other people.
	Well, for me, I think that's a horrendous thing, because you're playing with people's lives.
	That's a big responsibility.
	I teach what I do to people who want to learn, to people who can.
	I don't believe everyone is mediumistic.
	There are only certain individuals who are.
	But when I teach my class, the first thing I teach is responsibility.
	The ego has to get out of the way.
	There's no room for ego in this type of work.
	This work is total service.
	It's service to one another.
	If there's any ego, forget it.
	And the responsibility, because you have people who are at the end of their rope.
	I know.
	And you're playing with lives, and you've got to be responsible.
	You have to be.
	You know, if I can't get somebody through with them, I can't get it through.
	I don't have all the answers.
	Well, here's even a harder one.
	You talk about responsibility.
	Suppose somebody comes to you, James, wants you to communicate with somebody who's passed on, and you do so, and what you find out is so terrible Um, that you've got to consider whether you want to really pass this on to the person or, or spare them.
	Well, that's happened before.
	And what happened was I was starting this, when I started this, um, this work, I made an agreement with Spirit.
	Now, my, who's Spirit?
	Well, my guide to work with me.
	I went to many different ones for different reasons.
	Medical doctors for various health things and so forth.
	And I, the agreement we made was the following, because I was working at Paramount Studios making lots of money and doing the whole thing on television.
	And I quit that job.
	What were you doing for Paramount?
	I was working in their contract administration department as a manager.
	I'll be darned.
	And making a good, you know, good salary.
	Anyone would love that job.
	And I did readings at night.
	And for a very nominal fee.
	And Pierre said to me, I found it very weird to do that at night and go to a studio during the day.
	Just the position.
	So, they said to me, if you will work with us full time, we'll assure you That you will always be working.
	You will never be out of work.
	And that was right.
	And that built up a three-year waiting list.
	Did you say a three-year waiting list?
	Yes, that's when I stopped doing the privates.
	I had to stop because it got to three years and I was like, I couldn't do it.
	And it was also based only on people referring me.
	There were no advertisements.
	I didn't have to advertise.
	But anyway, the agreement was made with Spirit that if they bring through this information to me, I'm able to relay it to the person.
	Any information they give, I want them to code it, not me.
	Let them be the ones.
	So anything that comes through, I have to get it out.
	Now, how I handle that information to the person, I have to have some finesse and respect for that individual.
	Kind of like a diplomat translating something that shouldn't be translated.
	Exactly.
	For instance, I read with Audrey Meadows when she was, and I said to her, I was the very first person to say this to her, I said, Audrey, your husband here, he passed over, He tells me if you don't stop smoking you will pass.
	That's what I told her and she understood that and two years later she passed.
	But I had to say it in a way, you have to be very delicate and there's a way of delivering this.
	You have to be responsible.
	You have to be respectful.
	Well, once you've said that to somebody, if you don't stop smoking, you're going to pass.
	If you don't stop eating the way you're eating, you're going to have a heart attack and pass.
	This is a serious way of trying to help these people, but they have the free will whether they're going to stop or not.
	And if they don't, does that constitute suicide?
	Uh-huh.
	I would think on one level it might.
	I would think it would too.
	I mean, if they really believe what you have said, And they really believe the message, and I would assume with the proofs you give that they would believe it, that would constitute, it seems to me, suicide.
	And then we have to question their consciousness and their evolution of spirit, you know, and you know, saying, uh, the awareness level that they're at.
	Would they be aware that they're at suicide?
	They might not be.
	Alright, well listen, we're at the bottom of the hour and we've got to pause again.
	When we come back, we're going to begin taking calls.
	I do have one more question for you that involves the whole cloning thing.
	Oh my, what a mess the cloning is.
	You know, if we can turn out infinite Art Bells or James on drogs, are we turning out soulless beings?
	Vessels uninhabited by any life form at all?
	We'll be back.
	Medium, spiritual medium James Von Praag, who now has the number one New York Times
	best seller, his book called Talking to Heaven.
	Maybe you can get it in stores, maybe not.
	A lot of stores are sold out right now, right, James?
	Yeah, they've been sold out, but I've told them to print more than they have, so most people have it now.
	Usually you don't have to tell a publisher, please print more.
	When they're sold out, they print.
	Well, they only have, it's pretty amazing, because the ones that are on the bestsellers, a million of the copies are out there for Angela's Ashes and Midnight in the Garden of Geneva.
	And my book only had 250,000 copies, and it went up to number one.
	Oh my goodness.
	That's a demand.
	Well, you know, if it goes up fast enough, that can certainly occur with 250,000.
	Obviously, it has, so... Yeah.
	Anyway, listen, here's a fax.
	First, I want to ask you, though, about cloning.
	That's right.
	Cloning, cloning, cloning.
	They're going to have the ability soon to take scrapens from under your fingernail and produce another James Von Praag, or two, or ten, or a hundred.
	One is enough.
	However, they're going to do it.
	They're going to do it.
	Dr. Seed in Chicago is getting ready to do it in 90 days if they don't stop him.
	We're getting ready to clone human beings.
	What's it going to mean?
	Is each vessel going to contain the same soul, a new soul, a soul at all?
	Is it going to be a soulless being?
	What will a clone be?
	Well, I wouldn't know what a clone would be until I see a clone, but I think it's really horrendous that man starts playing God like that.
	I find that just incredible to believe they would do this sort of thing.
	If it was a living thing, of course, it would have life force within it.
	But part of that soul, would that soul have something to do with the other individual?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Connected to that other individual in some profound way?
	It could not.
	It could possibly.
	I agree with you.
	There's a blanket statement in response to that.
	It's hard to say.
	We're off into unknown territory, that's for sure.
	It scares the fire out of me.
	It's very scary when a man does that sort of thing.
	Alright, here's somebody who says, I've seen this guy on TV, probably Larry King, where you seem to be roosting a lot.
	You're going to be on Larry King again soon, right?
	I would know, I was just on, but a week ago.
	A week ago.
	I had the most response from any guest I've ever had on that show.
	Wow.
	And for two days afterwards, the CNN bureaus throughout the country were still getting phone calls, so they asked me to come back.
	All right, I've seen this guy, he says on TV, seems to be a very honest person.
	I'm very, um... Well, thank you.
	He says, I'm basically 50-50 on believing this stuff, but here's a question.
	I've heard James say it's hard to hear from people who have recently become deceased.
	Has James ever talked To Jesus, to God.
	Have you ever encountered directly, in your opinion, the God force?
	Well, Jesus being the best, the greatest medium of all time, the God force, again, it's a hard thing to answer.
	Yes, the God force every day.
	I live in the living, I deal with the God force.
	Pure love.
	I mean, like you described it, pure love.
	That to me is the God force, that pure healing love.
	But has there ever been a moment when you realized that you were suddenly encountering... Yes, I know what you're going to say.
	Yes, my very, very first psychic experience happened when I was 8 years old, and I was lying in bed on a Saturday morning, and I was raised Catholic, Irish Catholic, and I didn't believe in it.
	I thought there was not something right here.
	I loved what it looked like, and the songs, and I thought it was very pretty, but it didn't speak to my heart.
	And I asked proof of God.
	And I would say in about two or three hours in one morning on a Saturday, I asked for proof, show me God, show me God, show me God.
	And there was a hand that came through my ceiling, palm open, open handed, and light streaming from the inside of the palm, cascading down.
	This is in the book, I talk all about this.
	And I got a sense, an essence, a sense, the room was filled with a sense of peace.
	Joy and love.
	These NDE people, they talk about this.
	This is what I was feeling.
	Peace.
	And it was just kind of like a knowingness.
	A reassurance.
	Oh, okay.
	You know, children are much more open than adults.
	Yes.
	And I just took it in stride.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	This is what I answered.
	And that was it.
	I never told anyone about it.
	It was just something that I knew.
	I knew one day it would mean something to me.
	Something else.
	But it was my reassurance.
	That's the closest, I guess, answer.
	Yeah, that's quite a story.
	It is.
	That was the very first psychic experience I had.
	And I wasn't frightened.
	At all.
	It was just like, oh, this is beautiful.
	All right, here's a blast from a born-again.
	Oh, good.
	I love that.
	This guest of yours is a hypocrite and a pagan.
	His afterlife is spelled out in the Bible.
	He quoted, my father's house has many mansions.
	He is grouped with magicians, astrologers, witches, and other sadly deluded and lied to people.
	That's, I would say, this comes straight from a born-again.
	Yeah.
	I would like, can they tell me what they really think?
	You know, it's so interesting how people judge, whether they judge people that makes them better.
	I think that's okay.
	They like to empower themselves.
	They have to make the other person wrong and judge them.
	You see?
	Judge them.
	We all have our own truth, you know?
	Who are they to say?
	Alright.
	Have you had the experience?
	All right, good enough.
	Let's turn to the audience and see what lays out there right now.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with James Von Praag.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	Where are you, sir?
	I'm calling from Garner, North Carolina, a little small town right outside of the RTP, Raleigh-Dillard.
	All right.
	Hi, James.
	I'm Ryan.
	I found out about you through my mother, who saw you on CNN, but I've recently been very involved with you.
	Your website, I was just in your chat room and it said James is on the radio.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, a lot of people are on my website.
	James, you've got a website?
	VanProg.com.
	Oh, James.
	I, well, I'm not good at self-promotion, but VanProg.com.
	Okay.
	I'd like to see what they're saying right now.
	I mentioned earlier, I was on my site earlier and I mentioned I'm going to be on AFL's show, so I don't know.
	That's pretty funny.
	We will get a link up immediately, VonProd.com.
	And you've even got a chat room up there?
	Yes, I have a chat room.
	I'm going to have a member's chat.
	I'm going to do readings over the computer.
	Oh my gosh.
	Of course, now it'll be harder to get in touch with you.
	Because I like it.
	It's small.
	It's small and polite.
	After that show.
	12,000.
	Now those people out there know what I sound like.
	But you know, I really enjoy it.
	I wanted to thank you for that.
	Oh, you're welcome.
	Bless you.
	Of course, do keep in mind, I think I tried to tell you this when you came in yesterday, that Americans seem to be impressed by things and get all into something, and then they just brush it aside, so don't be upset when the book isn't number one.
	Oh, no.
	Rodman had a number one book, Madonna had a number one book.
	Hey, look, having a number one book at all is pretty cool.
	Yeah, no, I love it.
	I love it.
	I'm glad to hear what you say about that.
	I feel myself being able to communicate with my pets.
	They always seem to come around whenever I was down.
	Right, of course.
	It's mine right now.
	People always laugh.
	I say it talks.
	It has all these different grades.
	It makes the meowing sound.
	It's really funny.
	All right, well, you know what?
	My pets come to me when I'm sick, when I'm down, when I'm feeling rotten.
	They come to me.
	They know.
	Wonderful healers, aren't they?
	Wonderful healers, animals.
	How do they know?
	Oh, they're on a different vibratory rate, of course.
	Frequency.
	How do they know it's going to rain?
	Cows lie down on the ground.
	How do they know about a natural disaster?
	They go under, you know, an earthquake.
	They'll know ahead of time.
	They're on a different level than we are.
	The antennas are a little bit higher.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with James Von Praag.
	Hello.
	Hello there.
	Yes, hi.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	My name is Trish.
	I'm calling from Spokane, Washington.
	Hi, Trish.
	Hi, Trish.
	Art, I love your show.
	I've listened to it for about three years now.
	It's just wonderful.
	Thank you.
	And James, I think what you do is so wonderful.
	Oh, thank you.
	I have a question.
	I lost someone several years ago.
	Suddenly, they died in their sleep.
	They weren't ill.
	There was no indication.
	I've always wondered about the consciousness or the effect of that suddenness when they died and moved on to the other world.
	It depends always on the type of death that happens and how the occurrence takes place, you see.
	The type of death it is.
	If it's a death, like a sudden death, It's very different than someone who's been ill for a long period of time.
	In this situation, where the person died in their sleep, more than likely, they would wake up and around them would be most relatives or friends who they knew on the earth, who they had a strong love bond with, a love, you know, very connected with.
	And they will greet them and bring them over.
	Many times it happens when people pass in their sleep.
	It just seems like the adjustment period, even though being ill would be hard, the adjustment period would help you.
	Very smart, yes.
	There is an adjustment period, because it's a new world in many respects, because you see, it's our mindset.
	Our mindset is in the physical world, but then when you get to the spiritual world, and you realize it's a very physical world, it's a whole different way of living, you see.
	So there is an adjustment period, usually about three months I have found.
	When I do readings, people, it's usually three months I say the person should be over there.
	Because we don't want to pull them right back down to this earth level.
	We want them to adjust over there.
	It's very hard not to do that.
	It's very hard not to do that, of course.
	You still have the natural grief with this individual.
	But realize that they want a better place and send them love.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	And I want to tell everybody, my webmaster, who is fast, Keith Rowland, who you ought to vote for, by the way, for the webbies, now has a link up to RonProg.com.
	So if you go to my website, you just go on down to James Ron Prog's name, click on it, and over you go to his website, where apparently there is a chat room where I'm sure by now many are gathering.
	Haha, oh gosh. Alright. First time caller line. You're on the air with James Von Prague. Hello. Hi. Hi. Where are you?
	Temple City, California. My name is Theresa. Okay. I've been a fan of James for years. I've been thinking he was on
	the other side.
	Oh, thank you. That was an NBC show, Art, just in case you didn't know that. The other side. The other side. And I've
	gone to a couple of your demonstrations and everything. Oh, have you? Thank you.
	Yeah, they were great. I know you can't do reading, so I'm not going to bother you with that,
	although I'd like it. But I have a question.
	Let's correct that.
	He can do readings.
	Oh, of course.
	We're just not doing them right now.
	Right, I understand.
	Which is really a relief for me.
	I've got to tell you, because that's all I've been doing lately for the book is that, so I appreciate that, R. You bet.
	Okay, my question is, many times you've said that there is no time in heaven, and I'm wondering, how does that exactly work, especially with us here?
	Does that mean that they can come to our future, or our past, or can they travel in time?
	Yes.
	What happens is, when they leave the physical earth, they're outside of time.
	They're outside of time.
	And time is only relative to the physical world.
	Therefore, they only know it's birthdays or holidays.
	By coming and attuning themselves to our mindset, or looking at us and observing us, running around shopping or so forth.
	That's how they know these things.
	They can see, in their expanded consciousness, a little bit ahead and a little bit behind.
	So look at it like this way.
	If you're in a helicopter and you're looking down at the road, you can see a little bit ahead, a little bit behind, and you may be able to warn them that there's a problem up ahead in the road.
	Oh man, that's exactly where I was going.
	You know, there are so many people right now who have written books, for example, about Angelic intervention.
	Somebody going down the highway about to have a collision with a big old 18-wheeler or something and be smashed into little pieces.
	Suddenly there's some kind of message, some sort of intervention to prevent that from occurring.
	Is that a result?
	Of the people you just described, the spirits, who are able to look a little bit ahead and a little bit behind.
	That's right.
	They can protect you.
	And you would be so surprised how protected and influenced you are during the day and during the night.
	And there are those beings that are around you who help and protect and guide, or guide, or guidance, to give us guidance.
	So, yes, very true.
	And you know, I also must say to you, like attracts like.
	The natural law, like attracts like.
	So you will attract you, those beings, those guides, teachers, At the same level that you're on.
	When you keep your consciousness, your mind, to a certain high level, then you'll bring those up on that high level to you.
	And just the opposite.
	If you have your mind on a lower level, you'll bring those lower entities to you.
	So there really are angels?
	There are angels, but angels not with wings.
	Angels are your family that passed over.
	Angels are teachers that you've known before in lifetimes.
	Those are angels.
	Or guides.
	I always say angels are guides.
	It's the same thing.
	All right.
	John writes the following.
	Edgar Mitchell, the Apollo 14 astronaut I have interviewed many times, has said, quote, I see spirituality as a personal experience of divine reality.
	I see religion as believing in somebody else's experience of divine reality.
	I couldn't say it better myself.
	I totally agree.
	Totally, totally agree.
	All right.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with James Von Traug.
	Hello.
	I'm Paul from Minneapolis.
	I wanted to say a few things.
	First, when Jim was talking about questioning God when he was a little kid, I had the same
	thing.
	Actually, I prayed for a certain toy to come to me, a dump truck, and it did come to me.
	That was my first questioning of God and I thought that was kind of funny that that happened
	to me.
	Also, a comment made about feeling a little guilty about eating animals and stuff like
	that.
	I really wouldn't worry about it because I think...
	Yeah, he said animals definitely have consciousness.
	I think plants do, and rocks do as well.
	You know, it's like kind of a thing that steps down.
	Totally true.
	The vibration is different in rocks, yeah.
	Exactly, exactly.
	They have a consciousness, but it's a little slower.
	Definitely.
	And trees and plants, always.
	Absolutely.
	I walked into a room once, and I felt, I heard in my head, all this screaming sound, like, eee!
	And I looked around, and the plants were dying.
	They needed water.
	Oh my, okay, okay.
	Yeah, that makes plenty of sense.
	Also, I wanted to just tell you about a certain few things that happened to me that I really haven't been able to talk to many people about because they obviously don't understand, but you're talking about being more openly, psychically or spiritually, and having entities all of a sudden come over and wanting to play, to steal energy or whatever.
	That may be for the lower forms, yeah.
	Yes.
	They're mischievous, of course.
	Unevolved.
	Certainly.
	Here's somebody, Scott, who simply asks, and I think maybe we covered this, I'm not sure, simply asks, is there sex after death?
	Good question.
	Well, it is a good question.
	I was wondering about that.
	And they also want to see them having sex, too.
	And the answer to that is they have an almost like an unspoken law.
	They do respect you.
	They will respect your private time.
	There is not sex like we would think.
	It's more like an essence between the two of them.
	They see each other for who they are.
	And so not sex in the same physical sense we understand it here.
	That's right.
	Hmm.
	That's right.
	It's a joining of oneness with almost like positive and negative
	come together.
	More like a, a Spock mind-meld.
	Right.
	There was, exactly, there was a movie, Cocoon, remember Cocoon?
	Oh, yes, of course.
	That one scene in the pool between the two of them?
	Yes.
	That's the closest thing that I could say it's like.
	All right, listen, uh, we're at the top of the hour.
	Are you tired or good to go?
	I'm good to go.
	I'm cleaning.
	I'm fine.
	All right.
	Hold on, James.
	James Von Praag is my guest.
	He is, without a doubt, the nation's number one Spiritual medium, and he certainly has a number one bestseller right now, New York Times bestseller called Talking to Heaven.
	I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM, talking not to heaven, but to a lot of earth.
	We'll be right back.
	James, you've taken quite a few hits this morning from those who describe themselves as born-again.
	I've got, you know, a lot of faxes here from those folks.
	Uh-huh.
	And I just got one from my friend Daryl that has to be the classic of all time.
	It says, I have no problem with those that are born again.
	I would simply ask that they keep the afterbirth out of my face.
	Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
	That's great.
	You might enjoy that.
	Yes, I love that.
	That's great.
	Alright, back to those who await.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with James Von Prod.
	Good morning.
	Hi, I have James' book, and I just want to say it's great, and I love your show.
	Thank you very much.
	Did you have a hard time finding his book?
	No, not really.
	Oh, good.
	Where are you from?
	From Wisconsin.
	Oh, great.
	Okay, my question is, I'm wondering what effect the collective consciousness and negativity have on weather.
	For example, our table is a big bulb of negative energy.
	Well, as I pointed out there in the book, I wrote about the consciousness of humankind affects many, many things.
	And I can't say it affects whether or not.
	I think there are many, many factors involved.
	It certainly could.
	I think a lot of the events that are on Earth are affected by the consciousness of human beings.
	And I certainly do believe that.
	You ever notice on Christmas time there's always a nicer feeling in the air?
	Right.
	The holidays?
	Sure.
	Because people have more loving thoughts.
	It changes the atmosphere.
	Okay, and so then it changes the reality.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So then her theory about the weather could be absolutely correct.
	That's right.
	Interesting.
	It could be.
	Okay, thank you.
	Alright, thank you very much.
	Yes, I've often thought the same thing, and so I struggle with myself because as a talk show host, I deal with a lot of negativity.
	I mean, there's a lot of negativity in the world, and when you broadcast it and chew it over and talk about it, somehow it seems to Manifest negative things.
	Yeah, that's why being a broadcaster has a responsibility.
	Like being a psychic, huh?
	Exactly, because what you put out there, you know, you'll put out to the consciousness of people, and that, you know, it will get out there.
	I mean, that's why even movies that are shown, like these horrible violent movies, that stuff exists.
	Thoughts have been created, you know, to create that picture, that image.
	Thought went into it, and that thought Remains somewhere, that force, that energy remains somewhere, that negative stuff, but it's around the earth.
	Have you, as a psychic, as a medium, spiritual medium, have you ever had a glimpse yourself into the apparent future of the globe, of the world, where we're headed?
	I think, you know, it goes into free will, okay?
	I think that Again, the majority of the consciousness of the people of the earth.
	It makes a big deal.
	It makes a big difference.
	I think there are a lot of people out there, a lot of negative people, negative energy.
	I also believe there are a lot of loving individuals out there, and I do believe that lightworkers or healers or whatever you want to call them, were born or are born a certain generation at certain times.
	Almost balance out the negativity, the negative forces.
	Let me give you a good, specific example.
	Right now, the whole world is talking about biological warfare.
	The little germs that could eventually take us all out.
	Now, we're concentrating so heavily on it, and we're literally expecting it.
	The expectation is we are going to be attacked by biological weapons.
	Is that going to bring about that reality if we don't stop thinking so hard about it?
	Very strong possibility.
	I just think so it is.
	A great book by James Allen talks all about that.
	The creative mind.
	God gives us a creative mind.
	That's what we choose to do with our creativity.
	Either make it positive or negative.
	We have free will.
	A wild card line.
	You're on the air with James on Prog.
	Good morning.
	Hello Art.
	This is Mike in Philadelphia.
	Hello Mike.
	Hello James.
	Yes, I'd like to thank you both for taking everybody to the next level.
	Oh, great.
	I'd like to ask you, James, what would you tell everybody out there, you know, when you die?
	You know, people say, well, should you go to the light or should you go to the darkness?
	And I'll hang up for the answer.
	Oh, all right.
	Well, let me add to it.
	A very good friend of mine, James, named John Lear, Uh, who is the son of Bill Lear, who invented the Learjet.
	John's a good friend, and he was told, and passed on to me, that aren't, he said, be careful when you pass away, when you die, uh, you will have an opportunity to go to the light, but I have been told it's a trick that you should go to the darkness.
	That it's a trick, and that has preyed on my mind ever since he said it.
	Well, I'll tell you something.
	When you're in the dark, you can't see where you're going, can you?
	No.
	When you're in the light, you're illuminated, you see where you're going.
	That tells you everything.
	So you have no problem with that?
	It's straight to the light?
	That's right, to the light.
	You know, when I first started doing this work, you know, I told you earlier that When I opened up, there were some strange beings around me, and whenever I would say, are you of God, are you of the light, they would, God, they'd be gone, dissipate right away.
	Because light has stronger vibrations.
	The word love and the word God are two of the fastest vibrational words we have in the English language.
	So there are tricks, but there are easy ways to cut through them.
	That's right.
	I think I understand.
	Oh, that's helpful.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with James on Prague.
	Hello.
	Yes, sir.
	Thank you for taking my call.
	Sure.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Atoka, Oklahoma.
	I am the Six-Fingered Messiah.
	You are?
	Yes, I am.
	Wonderful.
	I would like to know if you understand truly what hell is.
	That's a good question.
	Do you, James, understand truly what hell is?
	As far as what?
	Well, what hell is?
	I mean, for those who have irredeemably damned their souls by some action... It depends when you talk about hell.
	You mean from a religious standpoint, or from a spiritual standpoint?
	Yes.
	That's what I need to know.
	I mean, I'd just say yes.
	In other words, spiritual or religious, however you want to consider it, you have acknowledged that hell exists.
	Definitely.
	But I don't acknowledge that hell exists in a religious setting, like a Christian religion, There's a devil with a pitchfork and that sort of thing?
	I don't believe that at all.
	I believe there's torment, but I believe that torment is of the consciousness of the individual.
	That's me as the hell.
	There was a movie, which I can never recall the name of when I want to recall it, about a woman who went out into the desert, you can probably hit the name of the movie for me, with her baby daughter.
	And she was determined that the end of the world was coming, and that the horsemen were about to ride, and she was going to go to the desert and meet God.
	And God didn't show up.
	And she began to get hungry and blah blah blah blah.
	Anyway, it turns out she was going to kill her daughter, to send her daughter to God, and then kill herself.
	Well, she killed her daughter.
	And she didn't have it within her to kill herself.
	Then, she went, at the end of the movie, she went to heaven.
	Almost.
	She went to some sort of apparent waiting room in between here and that next level.
	And she was required To judge herself.
	In other words, and her judgment was that she not go to heaven, not be allowed to join her daughter who was indeed there, but remain forever outside that realm or that dimension.
	And she chose to condemn herself.
	Interesting.
	Very interesting.
	Are we required to judge ourselves in that manner?
	Yeah, we do judge ourselves.
	And I think we believe that we see if we've earned things or not.
	Everything has to be earned.
	You have to earn your place in heaven or the spiritual realms by your life on the earth.
	You must earn.
	It's like down here with the earn thing in a certain way.
	We have to earn with our spiritual tools.
	We have to.
	And we do judge ourselves.
	That's what happens.
	Nobody's going to be any harsher, I think.
	No one but ourselves.
	It's very, very true.
	It's a horrifying thought.
	It's quite the opposite, you know.
	There's so much love and spirit, and there's just so much love that they want to help us, but it's us having to figure ourselves, which is the hard part.
	That's why there's so much help to be done from the earth level, loved ones in spirit.
	If we forgive them here, it can help alleviate their hell that they're going through.
	And I just want one more thing I want to say.
	It was so quick to judge.
	How do we know that if we were not in the same situation, we would do the same thing?
	We don't.
	You know?
	So it's so quick to judge.
	Yeah, we don't.
	We don't.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and James Von Pog.
	Hello.
	Good morning.
	Good morning.
	I've been trying forever to get a hold of you, especially when James is on.
	Well, you've done it.
	Where are you?
	I'm here in the Central Valley in California.
	My name is Judy.
	What I'm kind of curious about is, ever since I was a little girl, I've had experiences where I've felt like I'm not alone.
	Sometimes I would feel the presence and actually out of the corner of my eye I would see things, being a little girl and stuff, I would see things like unicorns and things that were fun for me as a child and I could talk to and they were my friends because we were real isolated as children.
	And then as I grew older I quit seeing the fantasy type things I guess you would say.
	And then I started not seeing anything but I would still I feel conversations from other people, other beings.
	They didn't lose it completely.
	No, I kept that part of it and then when I was about 25 or 26 years old another phase, I guess you would call it, started in and I started hearing one particular voice and I kind of think he's maybe like my guide.
	Yeah, you're very mediumistic.
	And he laughs at me a lot because I'm not doing what he says I should do.
	It's one of those things where I can hear him laughing at me more than I can hear him telling me to do things.
	But I still feel his words a lot of times.
	Am I ever going to get to the point where I can actually hear him like we're talking now?
	Sure.
	He's just in a development circle.
	It's like a meditation circle each week.
	And you sit with several people who have the same kind of harmonious feeling of energy around you.
	You know, you get along very well, in other words.
	You're very well balanced.
	Yeah.
	And you need to sit the same time every week for about an hour, if you can.
	Work your way up to an hour.
	And what that does is, you let the spirit people, you say like an opening prayer, and you let the spirit people work on you, because they're working the sensitivity of your body, of your astral body, you see?
	They have to work on your centers.
	Is that why, like, when I go to people's, you know, gatherings and stuff like that, where I know there's a lot of psychics and a lot of people around who are gifted, and I can sit there and I can look and I can actually see, like, the outlines, the silhouettes of beings standing behind people.
	Because the energy is at a higher vibration when you're around a lot of psychics.
	The energy there is at a higher frequency and you're able to tune in easier.
	You know, it's very much like a radio station, turning into the band, you know, that's the band.
	And you're to an even higher level.
	You are a natural-born medium.
	You know, you really should work on that if you could.
	I've been told that many times.
	You are.
	I kind of like... You really are.
	And you're very good at it as well.
	I'm good.
	Well, there you are, ma'am.
	James, that brings to mind a question she said when she was young.
	That you would see unicorns, or see... And there's a lot of children that have imaginary, so-called, imaginary friends.
	Now, does this mean that when we're born and early in our life, we're open, we're spiritually attuned and able to see these things, and they're as real as real can be then, and we slowly sort of tune them out as we get older?
	This is correct.
	And I put, again, in the reference of the book, it's right in there.
	I write all about this in the book.
	In that children, when they're born, they're closer to the other side than we are as adults.
	And they are very open because babies, what do they rely on?
	They cry.
	They feel things.
	They rely on their sensitivity.
	And I have heard that there is an actual physical mechanism that happens in the brain, a shift Around the age of six or seven, that closes down.
	That starts to shut it down.
	Right.
	Exactly.
	Now what about at the other end?
	Do we become closer also at the other end as life is closing down?
	You betcha.
	You betcha.
	We are opening up to our sensitivity.
	And you notice that older people, elderly people, They're sweeter.
	They're almost like children.
	They're very sweet and innocent again.
	Absolutely.
	You know?
	Absolutely.
	My dad is in a hospital right now.
	He's in geriatric.
	He broke his hip.
	And I went to visit him.
	And I mean, his people are the sweetest, sweetest people.
	And it's very interesting how that happens.
	It's very real.
	So innocence comes, and then it goes, and then it comes back again.
	Sure, because we become conditioned to this world, this earth world.
	And then we can become conditioned that this is all there is and this is everything.
	And then you have to look a certain way and do a certain thing to be successful and listen to all those rules out there.
	And unfortunately we get caught up with them in the outside world and we stop listening to the inside world.
	And that's what I teach people.
	I teach people to start listening to the inside world again.
	So then maybe when a lot of people get older and begin to slip into A state that we almost might regard as almost catatonic, or off into a different world, or maybe diagnosed as schizophrenic, or who knows, you know, at the end of life, the way people get diagnosed.
	They may not necessarily be exactly in that condition.
	They simply are listening and speaking and hearing and seeing elsewhere.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	In many cases they would be.
	Yeah, I would say that.
	I agree with you.
	Wow.
	Alright, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with James Van Praagh.
	Hello.
	Mr. Bell, hi, this is Raquel from San Jose, California.
	Yes.
	And I have a question for your guest tonight.
	I just came back from Mexico.
	My mother is 84 years old, and something really rare happened to me.
	I was sound asleep, I thought, and I felt this sort of like deep headiness that I was trying to wake up, but I couldn't.
	And then, deep in my mind, I felt that I needed to wake up.
	But I couldn't, so I felt like somebody kicked me in my bottom.
	And I woke up with my hand on it, and I go, oh my, that hurts.
	And I heard my mother's voice.
	I heard my mother's voice calling me.
	Maybe she gave you a good whack, huh?
	Yeah, I think so.
	All right, well listen, we've got to hold it right there.
	James, hold tight.
	We'll be right back from the high desert.
	The area that will answer.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Closes in.
	All right, James von Braug once again.
	You've really been a trooper, James.
	Oh, I'm here.
	Not dead yet.
	Here is a fax for you.
	Maybe you'll recognize this person.
	James, it says, congratulations.
	It's been nine years since we last saw each other.
	I had no idea what you've been up to, but I tuned in tonight.
	To say that I'm blown away would be an understatement.
	So glad to hear your work has come to fruition.
	I completely agree.
	Animals have souls.
	And that we can learn so much from them just by opening ourselves to their form of language.
	I live with a wolf.
	He's sleeping at my feet now.
	Who's taught me so many wonderful things.
	Truly an angel on four legs.
	Two questions.
	One.
	I remember when Brian Hurst, the British medium with whom you once collaborated, would do readings, he'd become physically exhausted during the session, even losing a pound or two.
	Do you find your sessions physically taxing, or do you take a different approach?
	Oh, well, I stopped doing private readings, and since I stopped doing private readings, my energy level has really increased.
	So yes, it does take a toll on you physically.
	You have to take care of yourself.
	You have to be very health conscious.
	I work out at the gym.
	I try to eat right.
	I haven't been able to do this, but I try to eat right, and you have to.
	You have to pay very much attention to that.
	It can affect various things.
	Okay, number two is, I suspect there are many people like myself who want to branch out into more spiritual pursuits, but who find themselves heavily bogged down in material commitments.
	Do you have any suggestions on how to begin exploring and breaking loose?
	Well, you have to start doing a discovery of yourself and see what's important to you and your values of yourself, really.
	And what's real to you and what's not real to you.
	By the way, it's signed Howard Johnson, Lake Tahoe.
	Oh, my God!
	I don't believe it.
	I thought you might recognize it.
	Lake Tahoe?
	Yeah.
	Oh, my goodness.
	Lake Tahoe.
	Good friend of mine.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with James Von Praag.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Mr. Bell.
	Hi.
	Hi, it's Tommy from Brooklyn.
	Yes, sir.
	Hi, Mr. Von Praag.
	Hi.
	Hi, how are you?
	Good, how are you?
	You sound good tonight.
	This is a great show, by the way.
	Thank you.
	I was wondering, have you ever solved any major crimes?
	Ah, good question.
	I once did.
	I used to work for the police, and I had to stop because I used to work on kidnapping cases, and I would visually, when I'd tune into it, because I could tune into what was going on with the person, see I just tuned into the person's mindset, and I could visually see, like in a good psychic, what was going on, and I would see these people, and one for instance, a man kidnapped this girl, a little girl, And I've been driving her in the car, she was in the front seat, and he reached over with his right hand and hit her.
	And it knocked me for a loop.
	I couldn't handle it.
	So, after that experience, after seeing him, like, I've seen him kill them, and I've seen him bury them, and put leaves on top, and boulders.
	I stopped doing that.
	But, that was that.
	I stopped doing it.
	I couldn't take it.
	It was too much for me.
	There was one situation I did a reading with, which was very, very interesting.
	There was someone that came to me, and it was this lady, and her husband died.
	I didn't know this, but he came through.
	I said, you think this is a suicide?
	And he said, it was not a suicide.
	And she was shocked.
	I said, what are you talking about?
	I said, well, your husband is talking to me that there were two men responsible for his death.
	And I said, he's talking about diamonds, and there was a fight about diamonds.
	And you found him in a field, didn't you?
	She goes, yes.
	And there was a gun, yes.
	What happened was this man, as we found out, was working.
	He worked in a jewelry exchange.
	And two co-workers were in some kind of a cahoots, and they killed him.
	Made it look like a suicide.
	And the information that was gathered from that, the police listened to it, and they were able to apprehend the two men, and they're now serving jail time.
	So isn't that wild?
	So the answer is yes.
	Yeah.
	Uh, wow.
	Uh, West of the Rockies, you're on there with James Von Praag.
	Hello.
	Uh, great show.
	Jim Farmington, New Mexico.
	Uh, yes, sir.
	Hey, uh, I was wondering, uh, I wanted to ask you a guest, uh, about, uh, a person who is, uh, not, uh, hasn't ever experienced any, uh, uh, of the types of experiences that, uh, James has been talking about.
	Thick as a brick kind of thing.
	In other words, psychically dense.
	Yeah, psychically dense.
	A very true and honest believer in God and His gracious creation and all, but very dense that way.
	It is a perfectly proper question, and there are many, many, many of us walking around like that.
	You know what spirit calls people down here?
	They call us the walking dead.
	The walking dead.
	Yeah, because it's so fun to be able to say, you call us dead and you have no idea.
	You're the walking dead out there.
	You can see what we're seeing here.
	So, I, but... What is the question, though?
	Well, the question was...
	What of these people?
	What do you say about them?
	I mean, they're happy in their ignorance of psychic things.
	They're thick as a brick.
	There you go.
	Perfect.
	They don't have expansion of consciousness.
	They're at that level.
	And there's nothing wrong with that.
	It's just that they're at that certain level of their belief systems.
	And it works for them, I guess.
	So, in another few lifetimes, they'll wise up.
	I guess they will.
	We're all here to learn certain things and we're all on different levels down here.
	Well, you remember we were talking about reincarnation.
	Is the continuing process of reincarnation A spiritual progression.
	So if it is that, then one would become more spiritual as the incarnations increased.
	More enlightened.
	And one who is thick as a brick spiritually now might simply be in an early stage.
	Sure.
	And what helps you to progress?
	Experience.
	Experiences.
	Experiences of the great teachers, aren't they?
	This is how we learn our lessons, and that's how we become enlightened, evolved.
	You see?
	And we're all at different levels of that.
	And we're thrown down here in this world so we can learn different methods and lessons
	with other people on different levels.
	When you pass over, you're on a level which you've created and you're with other souls
	of like minds who are on the same exact level as you.
	But down here, it's a mishmash of all different types of people.
	Makes sense.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with James Von Praag.
	Hello.
	You're very good at what you do.
	I like the way you pull that together.
	Thank you.
	And to the guests, I really admire your courage.
	It takes a lot of courage to stand up for what you believe and be so confident and relaxed in it.
	I have two quick questions.
	Thank you.
	Am I talking loud enough?
	Yes.
	Okay, good.
	Has God revealed to you your purpose or your goal in this life?
	I'm sorry, has God revealed to me?
	Uh-huh.
	Has God revealed to me my... Purpose or your goal in this life?
	Definitely.
	Yes.
	It's what I'm doing.
	I believe I came back here, my mission here was to help heal people.
	And that's what I'm doing.
	I'm living God's work by doing what I'm doing.
	I'm an instrument of God, I believe.
	Are you feeding them or are you teaching them how to fish?
	I beg your pardon?
	Are you feeding the people or are you teaching them how to fish?
	Well, I think, ma'am, if you listen, he talked about his book and a chapter in it in which he teaches you how to do what he does.
	Does that answer your question?
	That does.
	Yeah.
	One more question and I'm through.
	Alright.
	How does a person like me learn the difference between when God is speaking to me and guiding me and fear?
	Aha.
	Aha.
	Well, you are God, okay?
	If you just know that you are God, And that God is pure love.
	And you start learning to love yourself better.
	And be, you know, you have to accept that.
	You have to become one with yourself.
	And trust yourself more.
	You have to trust that loving within you.
	And I want to tell you an exercise today which is going to help you, okay?
	What I want you to do is, I want you to write on the piece, what's your first name?
	Oh, she's gone.
	She's listening, but she's gone.
	Okay, good.
	What I would like her to do, and people can do this, they write, I love you with their name.
	Okay?
	You put that on a mirror in the bathroom.
	You say it three times in the morning and three times at night, when you're washing your face, brushing your teeth, okay?
	What happens is, the word love, like I said earlier, is the fastest vibrational word we have.
	When you say that, over and over again, it will start changing the energy field around you to one of the higher vibrations of love.
	And you will begin, I've had people do this, after like two or three weeks, you begin to feel very, very, very different, very self-confident.
	And it makes a major, major, profound change in one's life.
	How do they feel about themselves?
	Just one thing, James.
	When you do that, when you write on the mirror, for example, you must be sure to tell your partner in life what you're doing.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	They might think something's a little strange.
	They might.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with James Von Praag.
	Hello.
	Hi, James.
	I have a question for you.
	You were earlier mentioning the seven vibrations or...
	Seven bodies.
	Seven bodies or however you want to put it.
	Do you have any idea why they will not publish the complete works of Charles Darwin in this country?
	Why they only publish the one volume called his Speculations on Evolution of the Species?
	Because he wrote about Seven bodies and seven questions.
	Did he really?
	I did not know that.
	Well, but they only publish it in England, and when you go in an English bookstore, they ask you if you want the only book that the Americans ever want, or that if you want the complete work.
	Oh, that's remarkable.
	And it's, you know, it's the evolution of the spirit body and evolution of the spirit body and all that sort of thing, which I don't know why.
	exist at different vibrations or on different planes or so forth.
	Do you know why that has always been banned in this country?
	Why?
	I don't know.
	I don't know why.
	I have to tell you something in that I think that we always had, and I know the Catholic
	church used to have this, all the secrets and they didn't want to give them away.
	But all the sacred doctrines they used to have too.
	Right.
	They probably still do.
	They probably do.
	Well look, I interview a lot of people very high in the church and they affirm that without hesitation.
	There are many, many secrets that are held very closely.
	Sure.
	Even the little things they do with their, for instance, the anointing of the dead, the anointing of the body, they will anoint certain areas of the body A lot of very interesting things that are very little known, James.
	are the seven main energy centers in Eastern philosophy, the chakras.
	And this is to help release the spirit out of the body.
	And in medieval days, around the 17th century, they used to put a candle at the foot and at the head of
	the body after the dead.
	The reason why they did that, so the spirit would not return into the body.
	A lot of very interesting things that are very little known, James.
	For example, my wife is a Catholic.
	it.
	I had occasion within the last year to take her to the Vatican.
	We went to the Vatican and we walked into the Sistine Chapel and the first thing you see as you walk into the Sistine Chapel is this gigantic globe.
	And in this glass case, and what's on the globe but the 12 signs of the Zodiac?
	Not exactly what you would expect to find in the Sistine Chapel.
	Isn't that amazing?
	That's what I thought, so we took a photograph of it.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with James von Praag.
	Hello?
	Hi, Art.
	This is Dave in Pittsburgh.
	Hi, Dave.
	James, there's a question I've always had that I've tried to answer in philosophical terms, I was wondering what your insight was on this.
	In the realistic concepts of marriage, we're always told how the souls are bonded.
	What do you believe happens in the afterworld in the case of a divorce, where someone is in love with someone for whatever reason they get divorced, and he or she gets remarried to someone that they're in love with for, let's say, the rest of their lives?
	Very good question.
	Yes, a very good question.
	Let me mention the first divorce.
	Remember, you're down here to learn lessons, okay?
	It might be karmic, which means you might have to come back from a past incarnation to work things out with that person.
	I was married, and I went through a divorce, and I knew I had to go through that marriage.
	I knew I had to, and I knew when it was finished, it was finished.
	I learned as much as I could in that experience.
	It was time for me to move on, or her to move on.
	Just because you're married doesn't mean you have to stay married your whole life.
	If you learn the lesson you're supposed to learn from that person, as much as you can, it would hinder your growth if you stayed married.
	But in the after world, what would the bonding of those souls be?
	I'm going to go on to that.
	I've had many experiences where I've had sessions where I've had children come, and both parents have died.
	The parents are married for 50 or 60 years.
	And I would say to them, your mother and father are not together.
	And they'd say, what are you talking about?
	They were in love for 50 years.
	But no, they go to that level.
	Which is right for them.
	And when they've passed over, they've found that they were not on the same level.
	They might love each other, that love still continues, but it doesn't mean they live together over there.
	Do you understand what I'm saying?
	Yes, I do.
	And if someone's married to someone else, they will go to the person that is right for them, that's compatible for them.
	So do you believe, just as we're looking for...
	Looking through an eternity of experiences, we're perhaps also looking through an eternity of finding the soulmate that we're at the same level at.
	Yes, but you know, it's so interesting.
	People think there's a soulmate.
	There are soulmates.
	It's not just one mate, there are soulmates.
	And we come back into this incarnation, when we go down here, we choose to come back to the earth, we come in group souls.
	Almost like, you say to your friends, let's go take a class in something.
	We come back with our friends and our family because we are also learning lessons with
	them and also tying up past karma with those individuals as well.
	We all come back at one time.
	Isn't that to a certain extent a little nonvelistic to think that love doesn't necessarily mean
	anything here?
	No, love means everything here.
	Oh yeah, here, but I mean in the grand scale of everything.
	The love that you have for this one particular person this time around may not mean anything
	in the grand scale.
	Of course it does.
	I'm sure it teaches you more about loving yourself.
	Bye.
	Yes, about yourself and about your experiences, but not necessarily with that soul, not necessarily with that person.
	Well, it'll help you grow within yourself, and also can help that other person grow.
	Maybe you're teaching that person something that they have to know.
	Right, but you're not necessarily meant to go with that person on the same path.
	Right, exactly.
	You might come together for a brief period to learn things with each other, and you've agreed upon that before you came back to the Incarnation.
	We're going to teach you.
	We're going to learn each other this.
	We're going to go through a few experiences here, and we'll both grow from this, and then we'll move on.
	That happens quite frequently.
	Very interesting.
	Thank you.
	Alright, thank you.
	Or, could in some instances two souls be bound?
	Definitely.
	Oh, definitely.
	You bet.
	You bet.
	I think that's what he was asking.
	Yeah.
	You could have shared many lifetimes together.
	And you really are complimenting each other and yes, that does happen as well.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with James Von Pragen, not a lot of time, hello.
	Hi Art, how are you?
	I'm Bob from Denver and a couple of times when my cousin died when I was quite young, my cousin essentially came back to me and said that things were wonderful and I wasn't really sure whether I was really going nuts or whether that really was happening.
	I'm sure that's the case many times, James, that people receive a message or hear something from somebody who has passed, and they think they're losing their mind.
	Because they rely so heavily on this Earth, they rely so heavily on their rational mind, and rational conditions, you know, the conditioned mind, black and white, that they're not aware of these other sensations that they get, see?
	Which is really the truth, which is really the essence of the Spirit.
	So, you would counsel people who receive such a message.
	Don't worry, you're not losing your mind.
	Encourage them.
	I would encourage them to get more in touch with it.
	And more in touch with their inner self.
	Become more sensitized.
	Alright, well you have done it.
	You have run the gauntlet indeed.
	Good, because I'm ready to go to sleep.
	I'll bet you are.
	Look, you've got the number one New York Times bestseller right now, Talking to Heaven.
	What do you advise people who are out there desperately searching for it?
	I guess in some parts of the country it may be available, other parts not.
	They can get it from my website.
	I have plenty of copies.
	I'm more than happy to, and the bookstore should be having it this week because it's number one.
	They put another printing in, so they will be able to get it.
	If not, order it at the bookstore.
	That's the best way.
	Alright, and again, it's called Talking to Heaven.
	Is it a long book?
	No, it's 150 pages.
	It's an easy read.
	People can read it in one day.
	It's a simple read.
	Absolutely excellent.
	Well, listen, my friend, I release you to the world of sleep, and I thank you for one of the best shows that we've ever had on on the subject.
	God bless you.
	Thank you very much.
	Take care, my friend.
	Okay, you too.
	Bye-bye.
	Good night.
	That's James Von Prague, ladies and gentlemen.
	His book, Talking to Heaven.

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