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Jan. 30, 1998 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - James Van Praagh - Spirit Medium - The Afterlife

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Coming now, James von Prague.
		Who is James von Prague?
		Well, he's a spiritual medium.
		Now, what is that?
		I'll tell you what it is.
		It means he can communicate with people who have actually passed on.
		Now, many times on radio programs, James will communicate for people who have lost loved ones and so forth.
		But we are not going to do that.
		We are going to discuss what he does.
		We are going to discuss life after death.
		We are going to discuss his new book, which I'm very jealous about.
		He has the number one New York Times bestseller right now called Talking to Heaven.
		James has appeared recently on, in fact, he's been all over Larry King Live, CBS 48 Hours, more radio and TV shows than you can count.
		He is perhaps one of the foremost mediums in the country, maybe the foremost today, providing evidence of life after death to many.
		Those who listen.
		His book, Talking to Heaven, has been so popular, bookstores have been unable to keep it in stock, so you might not even be able to find it for all I know.
		James, welcome to the program.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Art.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for having me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How does it feel, James, to have something skyrocket to number one on the bestseller list?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Kind of bizarre, actually, kind of surreal, because I had a feeling it would do that, but I didn't know it would be this quickly.
		And the head of the publishing company called me up and said to me, in her 30 years of doing this, she'd never seen a book go up so quickly.
		There was such a demand on the book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's a good place to start.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that it speaks to people on all different levels, first of all.
		I wrote the book very simply, so it doesn't speak over people's or under.
		It's right to them, and it's very simply put.
		The truth is very simple.
		I don't confess to know everything in the book.
		I say exactly what my experiences have been in 14 years of working with spirits and working with mediumship.
		And I just explain that to people, what my experiences have been.
		I think people see this very real, and it's something they can touch and relate to.
		And I've had such great response from people who have read the book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There must be some sort of spiritual renaissance going on in America.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You know, I think any time that it changes in the millennium, there's always a search.
		There's always a search for something new.
		And people have, they try to go for it through an identification of some sorts.
		And I think it's partly that.
		I also think in this age, we've come to the time where religions don't work anymore for a lot of people.
		And they're searching.
		And they don't answer those questions that people want to know about.
		So they go searching for elsewhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's an interesting comment.
		Religions don't work.
		I don't go to church every Sunday or any Sunday, really.
		I don't.
		And it's because of exactly what you just said.
		Religion doesn't work for me.
		There's something too organized, too ritualistic-like.
		I don't want to step on any toes here because I don't harbor any ill-will toward anybody's religion, and I never stomp on them.
		But it's just not for me.
		And I know that's true of a lot of Americans.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I think that religion has its place for people.
		I think people are here to learn lessons, and people have to learn alternative expressions.
		And if it's their religion, if that's their truth, then so be it.
		And God bless them, and they should have that truth.
		And that's the freedom we have, that freedom of expression.
		But I believe when man comes into the picture, and the ego of man comes into the religions and starts forcing people based on fear, based totally on fear, to control them, then there's something wrong.
		The essence of the religion is lost.
		You know what I'm saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think we're supposed to be afraid of God.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
		My God is not a God of punishment and judgment.
		Mine is of pure love.
		And that's the way I think it was meant to be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And yet, a lot of what you do crosses to religion.
		There's no question about it.
		I mean, we're talking about heaven.
		Right.
		Look, a lot of people, James, I'll just lay it out for you, think that what you do, being a medium, is absolute baloney.
		I mean, they just think that it's baloney, that nobody can talk to the dead.
		Nobody can break that barrier.
		A lot of people don't even believe there is a barrier and don't think that you go anywhere except down to the dirt.
		The worms crawl in and the worms crawl out.
		I know.
		So what do you say to the skeptics, and there's plenty of skeptics, the people who say, what a bunch of baloney crystal ball stuff.
		It just flat can't be true.
		What do you say to these people?
		Anything at all?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you have to come from based on experiences, don't you?
		I mean, they really have to have the experience in order to judge it.
		Everyone tends to judge things before they have the experience.
		If they don't understand something, what's the first thing they do?
		They judge it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they're afraid of it.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		And they're afraid of it.
		It's based on fear.
		You know, I always tell people, it's so hard for me to believe that I can do this, but yet we have cell phones, we have radios.
		What are we doing here?
		We have televisions.
		How do we don't see the waves in the air, do we?
		But yet we receive these images or we hear these things, and yet there are signals.
		It's electronically done.
		It's improving its energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, listen, I frequently said, James, if you could see microwave energy, if you could see radio and television energy, if you could see all the RF in the air, if it were colored and you could actually see it, they'd begin to pass laws against it.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You bet, the regulated.
		Of course they would.
		And yet we have animals that can hear at a very high frequency, don't we?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you know, we just put that off.
		And there are individuals who are sensitive.
		They're much more sensitive than others.
		And really all I do is my antenna is a little bit up more than most people.
		And maybe it's because I've meditated more, or I feel I was born this way, more sensitive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's where I was going next.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How did all this begin for you, and when did you realize that you had this ability?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You know, it was pretty funny because when I was a kid, I was a pretty normal kid, except I was obsessed with graveyards, cemeteries.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		I used to love going to them.
		I used to love reading the headstones.
		I used to love haunted houses.
		And I don't know why, but I was fascinated with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You actually would take trips to graveyards.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		With kids, you know, my neighborhood kids, we would just go into graveyards, and I found it fascinating.
		And the older the grave, the more fascinated I was.
		So even to this day, I'll go to some graves.
		In a town I'm visiting, I pass by a grave cemetery and I go right to it.
		It's very strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's attack this one.
		All right.
		When you go to a graveyard, now we've all thought a little bit about this.
		You see the other headstones there.
		You read them.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any attachment between what is buried under these headstones?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You know, but let me just go back real quickly because I'll tell you a real quick funny thing.
		It's in my book.
		I note this in my book.
		One of my earliest childhood experiences about this stuff, I cut school with some friends of mine when I was about eight years old.
		And we went to a graveyard and we were sitting there having lunch.
		And I saw these two little kids, all three of us, saw these two little kids playing, a little girl and a little boy, about five and six years of age.
		And they were playing around the gravestone, a little bit away.
		And we looked at them, and then we walked over.
		We said, look, do you see them?
		We walked over there and they kind of disappeared.
		We couldn't find them.
		And we looked on the gravestone and it was a little boy and girl, brother and sister, that died two years earlier.
		And they were buried there.
		And that was the very first experience I had with the Wolf.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, see, that implies there's some sort of connection.
		I don't want to think that somehow.
		Many of us are, when we die, not buried, but cremated or something else.
		So is there a connection between our bodies and our afterlife?
		There is a connection?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		No, in some ways there is not.
		In that we are first and foremost spirit.
		We are spirit beings encased in a physical vehicle.
		Just like we have a car to drive in this physical world, it's the same thing with a spirit.
		We have a spirit, we have a physical body, have to get us around this physical earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are vessels.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		We are vessels.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		And when it's time for us to leave, we leave this vessel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		It's our schoolwork down here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, then why would a spirit then, James, hang around near its vessel?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes the spirit does not realize they've passed over because it's such a natural occurrence.
		They might not realize that this has happened to them.
		Another thing that happens is sometimes there's so much grief with a family member, they're subset, they literally will pull the spirit down around them and hanging out on this physical earth.
		And also, if there's a spirit that's very obsessed with the physical world or the earthly things, it's harder for them to free themselves, these earthly things.
		It depends on their consciousness, you'll see.
		It depends where your consciousness is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if you had a house or a car that you loved and you died unexpectedly, you might not want to leave your stuff.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You betcha.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's where haunted houses and poltergeists come in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or even stranger yet, you said that a loved one in their grief could actually pull down and hold a spirit here.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's right.
		In many essences, they can do that because they're grief-ridden.
		It's very much like, see, the spirit world is made of thought.
		Everything is done with thought.
		And our loved ones on the earth, you know, when we're in spirit, we feel their thoughts.
		We hear their thoughts.
		Like a telephone ringing constantly.
		And it kind of like pulls us down.
		And that's why it's very difficult.
		We should learn to let the spirit go because the spirit has to grow on the other side.
		They have work to do in the spirit world, just like we have work here in the physical world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you counsel people like that.
		You tell them, look, you've got to let go.
		I would assume that a lot of the people that come to you are absolutely buried in grief, right?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, definitely.
		That's exactly right.
		And one hour of me, I've been told this, one hour of therapy with me is equal to about two years of psychotherapy.
		Because they get right down to the bottom line, you know, right to the emotions.
		And it heals quite a bit, quite a bit.
		It also releases the spirit to move on, you see.
		It lets them go on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do see.
		How could we do that?
		Is our spirit, while it's still in our bodies, in a way as powerful as the spirit that is trying to be released or even more powerful?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, the personality survives death, so if they were very powerful when they were embodied, they'll be the same way when they pass over.
		You don't change that drastically.
		You're very much the very same way.
		Like when I bring through spirits, their personality traits come right through.
		They don't change that drastically.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where is the proof of an afterlife?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the best proof that there really is something that survives the physical death?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You know, the only way I can answer it is that besides the many messages that I've received, thousands of messages, I can only go scientifically.
		I'm very much a scientific way of thinking, Virgo, like you are.
		And I have to think of it that we're energy.
		Molecules vibrating and moving at a certain rate of speed.
		We are, sure.
		And we are energy.
		And I don't know how can you kill energy?
		I don't think there's proven that you can kill energy.
		You can transform energy, but you can't kill energy.
		It has to go somewhere.
		And I do believe there are things outside of the physical, our physical senses that we're not aware of.
		The most common person out there is not aware of.
		And I think that's where this place is, and I think that's where we go.
		To another vibration, another frequency that most people on this earth aren't aware of.
		But yet there are those people that are sensitive, like myself, and we are aware of these other places.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Another vibration, another frequency, another dimension?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Another dimension.
		It was interdimensional.
		And I think there are many dimensions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that a lot of science, a lot of physics, a lot of people like yourself are now beginning to talk about multiple dimensions.
		And I think that I'm a believer in it, James.
		I really think I'm a believer in multi-dimensions.
		Now, do you think that science will ever find a way, in effect, to do what you do scientifically, to produce some sort of machine that would produce a frequency that would allow some sort of door to be opened between here and there?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, certainly.
		They're actually working on it right now.
		There's a member named Mark Macy.
		I've mentioned his name before.
		And he works with this electro magnetic ways of doing this, of bringing through Spirit.
		Spirit has appeared on computer.
		They've appeared on the telephone, on radio.
		In Luxembourg, there's a foundation that they work with this sort of thing.
		And they've had many visits from Spirit, and many information has come through.
		And I believe that they are fine-tuning these apparatuses.
		And right now, they have to be very careful because you throw it out there, the government jumps right on top of it.
		So they're being very careful to not let this stuff out in the wrong way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just as a matter of curiosity, if somebody were to develop a machine that would allow a door to effect be opened and communication to Really be established, or even movement back and forth, what kind of effect would that have on us, you know, poor mortals, physical mortals, here for 100 years or so?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would have a profound effect on all of the world, wouldn't it?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, profound, completely.
		And that is why what I do comes to such a challenge to most people, because once you realize that there is an afterlife, that there's a world beyond, and that your heaven or your hell is based upon your thoughts, words, and deeds, how you treat one another.
		Once you realize that responsibility that you have, my God, you've got to change your whole way of life and living and how you think about someone.
		And many times you have to change your paradigm.
		The paradigm shifts.
		And many people, the majority of people out there, don't want to take responsibilities for themselves.
		They don't want to take the responsibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know Daniel Brinkley.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yes, very well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Matter of fact, Daniel recommended some time ago that I get my must-get you off.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		He just called me today.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I just got a message.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, did he, really?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Daniel, when he died, had a full life review.
		Now, so here I want to ask you what actually happens when you die?
		Is Danion's experience typical?
		In other words, do you relive?
		Daniel said, it was interesting.
		He said, you know, you have a full life review and you feel everything that anybody ever felt from you.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly.
		And I love that explanation that he gives because it is true.
		And again, I base this upon thousands and thousands of readings that I have done and heard from Spirit when they come back and hundreds of books that I've read also on the subject from all over the world because I'm a natural researcher.
		Many, many times the Spirit will come back and they'll talk about their review.
		They have like when they pass over.
		And again, they're outside of time when they pass over.
		There's no such thing as time in the spirit world.
		It's only relative to the physical world.
		So I can't say they do it in a day or not, you know.
		It's different.
		It's an experience.
		You're experiencing everything.
		And what happens is you see your life almost like movies or some people have explained it like a huge television set which is broken down into sections.
		And you will see how you affected someone.
		For instance, let's say you were in a very bad mood one day and you went to the bank and you yelled at the teller.
		You will feel how that teller felt when you yelled at that person.
		And then you'll see how the teller got so angry and turned to the coworker and yelled at the coworker and upset that person and self-worth and so on.
		And you see how each person self based upon your one initial word or feeling.
		And then you have to try to forgive yourself.
		And that's hell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly where I was going.
		That sounds like hell.
		You know, I have hurt people in my life.
		I know that.
		And I can sit here right now and go back through it.
		Now, I can't know for sure what the other person felt, but it scares the hell out of me.
		Because I know that I have hurt people.
		We all have.
		We're just not perfect.
unidentified		Exactly.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		We're not perfect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To go through that and to imagine that you would have to face up to what they felt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's really terrifying.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		But then it forces you to start living your life on this earth in a different way, doesn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You know, you start thinking about your actions, your thoughts, words, and deeds.
		And then you start training yourself.
		You have to, you know, when you become a spiritual person, you take the responsibility of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How good NDEs, near-death experiences, are they one of the best proofs, do you think, of an afterlife?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Definitely, definitely, most definitely.
		I would say so.
		More so in some ways than what I do because, well, each person has an experience that's very real for them.
		But yes, I would say so.
		Most definitely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When did you first find out that you were able to communicate across this dimensional barrier?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was about, let's see, 14 years ago.
		I went to a medium from England.
		A lady I was working with said to me, and I was just doing some, I worked at some talent agency in a basement somewhere.
		She said, would you like to see a medium?
		And I said, what is that?
		And she said, he talks to the dead.
		And I didn't believe in it.
		And I said, sure, let's go.
		That'll be a big laugh riot.
		And I walked in, and the first thing this man said to me was, I see lights around you.
		And he said things about me which no one knew.
		He brought through an uncle that passed over with a name, with details, and I was pretty blown away.
		And then he said to me, you're going to start doing what I'm doing in two years.
		The spirit people are telling me this.
		And I said, no way.
		I have enough trouble with the living.
		I want to talk to the dead.
		He said, you're going to.
		And I thought, this is fascinating.
		You know, I still was very fascinated with this.
		And the research, the scientist in me, I wanted to find out more.
		So I read up on the subject about psychic phenomena, mediumship, life after death, NDs.
		And I started meditating and started just playing with the psychic stuff.
		And I must tell you that I was talking to some lady once, and I said, look, there's a grandmother around you.
		And I gave the name.
		And I said, somebody, Idaho.
		And she goes, yes, my grandmother lived in Idaho.
		And I said, she's showing me a rose-petaled footstool.
		And she said, well, she did needlepoints, and she made a footstool with roses, and it was at her feet all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, there was proof.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Right, yes.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		After two years, almost the day he said I would do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know whether I could handle that or not.
		James, hold on.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		Can you imagine that of beginning to call things and say things and realize that you're absolutely correct about those who have passed away, which means you are in communication with those who have gone to the other side, the other dimension, however you want to put it.
		Remarkable.
		James von Prague is my guest.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		Oh, leave me this way.
unidentified		I can't survive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I think America's number one medium, James von Prague, that's quite a title, huh?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I certainly believe it.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, somebody sends the following facts.
		It's a good one.
		Given that you can only transform energy, James, and not destroy it, what do you understand the different and various forms of energy to be?
		Are there states or forms of energy which cannot be changed or, once changed, cannot be unchanged?
		What exactly is so special about our human form of energy?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's a lot of many questions there, aren't there?
		So I can only say what I know, and I'm not a scientist, but I will my belief is that there are different forms of energy, and what is energy?
		What is energy, first of all?
		It's basically energy is or molecules that are vibrating or moving at a certain rate of speed.
		That's energy.
		I believe there's various frequencies, which means that the molecules move or vibrate at a much quicker rate, rather, or a much slower rate.
		I believe our physical world will vibrate at a certain level.
		I do believe there are levels lower than ours or slower than ours.
		And I believe there are those that are faster.
		And I believe there are some other dimensions even, like we talked earlier.
		And even, I know on your show you often talk about other life systems, other life forms and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, oh yes.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I believe that they themselves, other universes, are in another whole different energy system than we are.
		Other dimensions.
		I think that's what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, have you encountered life forms?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Every October, Matt, we're getting to this one.
		I love this one.
		Because I know you talk about this a lot in your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		And every October, I bring a group of people down to Sedona, Arizona.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		And we were once, about two years ago, we were privileged, I would say, to go to this private ranch down there where supposedly there is underneath a beautiful, wonderful, what you call it, an underground facility, if you will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute now.
		Sedona underground facility?
		Excuse me?
		I always heard that Sedona was, what do they call it, a vortex of point or an energy point?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Vortex of energy, that's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But underground.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Underground.
		And most of these UFOs, if you want to call them that, are in that area because of the rich ore, the minerals in the earth.
		In the various energy centers, we'll call vortexes.
		Most of those vortexes will have a certain amount of rich minerals in the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, because they're probably magnetically anomalous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there's got to be a lot of very rich ore, as you point out.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		And I believe, of course I don't know this, but I'm sure that has something to do with they need this for some reason, whatever reason it is, they need these minerals.
		So we went to this place, this ranch, and we went with uefologists.
		And he was known for taking pictures, and on the pictures you would see the actual spots or colors or something of these vehicles or ships, whatever you want to call them.
		And there were about 25 people in a group there.
		And we waited.
		It was late at night.
		And very interesting, and I don't know if you'd be sensitive to feel it or not, but I started hearing like this buzzing around me.
		And I started getting very agitated, as most other people.
		And then we noticed different lights in the sky.
		And different types of lights in the sky.
		Some are quicker.
		And he had names for different ones.
		And they were, you know, I'm very skeptical of this whole thing.
		I mean, I really am at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I mean, yeah, but I believe in it because I've seen it.
		I've experienced it.
		And I would see, blah, blah, blah, they must have been like, he would say, look at this star, it's a moving star.
		No, it isn't.
		It's going back and forth.
		And then we saw them jumping all over.
		And there were colors of green, orange, blue, white.
		And they were blinking back and forth.
		And they were all over.
		And then there were other ones that would just fly by, and he'd call them strobes.
		And sure enough, he goes, there we go.
		And it would go right towards that ranch area, that underground facility.
		Anyway, we were there for an hour, and they grew and grew.
		And now we saw the binoculars, but you could see them with negative eye also.
		You can see them very closely.
		It would look like a star, but yet if you're close enough, you'd see them moving.
		You'd see the colors involved.
		And after a while, I started sensing around me different energies.
		I felt a...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		And you turn around and they're standing there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That is a feeling I can relate to you.
		That's exactly what I felt.
		I felt this in the field in front of me.
		And I said to this man, Richard, I said, Richard, I'm feeling these energy forms or forces in pockets in front of me in the field.
		And he smiled and shook his head.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Because he's been doing this for quite a while.
		And I said, I feel as though, telepathically, I'm picking something up.
		Now, listen, I didn't try to do this.
		It just flowed into my consciousness.
		He said, go get a message, see what you're getting.
		So I went over there, and I just, you know, went to a meditative state, and I was getting filled with this stuff.
		And I tell you, what I got was so profound in its simplicity.
		I heard that they were from the Pleiades, these beings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here we go.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
		And they said to me, love, why is it so difficult for the human race to learn about love?
		You have love all around you, everywhere in your world, yet you never use it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think love is probably the strongest force in the universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I think.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You betcha.
		Pure white light.
		Pure light.
		Love is love can take away any fear.
		Anytime anyone fears, bring love.
		If you have trouble with love, there's a beautiful light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's only a small component of what we've got down here because we have hate, we have envy, we have greed, we have, boy, every range you can imagine.
		And a lot of them have absolutely nothing to do with love.
		So the strongest force in the universe is one we express rather sparingly.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		But, you know, also, we have to appreciate, the way we appreciate love is by selling these other things.
		Because you have to have a duality, you see.
		You have to learn about the negative so you can appreciate the positive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can't have the good without the bad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can't know the good without the bad, right?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Exactly right.
		So you can appreciate it more.
		Exactly right.
		But yet, you know, I think that people have faith with love.
		I mean, it's there.
		I guess it takes evolution for each soul to evolve on their own, their own path and their own progression.
		But love is the answer.
		I'll tell you, love is it.
		And that's one of the things about why I do the work I do, because the love bonds that we create on this earth with our loved ones, they transcend death.
		And I'll tell you, those emotions are so real when I bring them through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's why I do it, because I feel a rush of energy when I do this work, which I cannot describe to you.
		How can you describe love?
		How can we describe it?
		It's like describing the wind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm glad you brought that up.
		One of the most interesting lines in the movie Contact, which I love so dearly, was when Jodie Foster was talking to this man of the cloth.
		And he asked her, in a moment of trying to get to the proof of things, he said, Did you love your father?
		And Jodi Foster said, Oh, yes, of course, deeply.
		And he said, prove it.
		She just stood there wide-eyed.
		And of course, how do you prove that?
		There's no words that you can say that will prove that you love somebody.
		It's just something that is.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		It just is.
		It's a different language.
		And now when you ask me before about skeptics, what do I say to skeptics?
		What can I say to skeptics?
		How can I describe it?
		You can't describe these things.
		They're feelings.
		How can you describe feelings?
		True, but how can you describe something you have no words for in the English language also?
		There's no words that can express certain feelings that come through.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can talk about feelings.
		Right.
		Although, when I went to the Great Pyramid and got to lay in the sarcophagus, I felt something that you're absolutely right.
		I have been totally unable to describe, give words to, to properly describe what I felt when I was laying in there.
		It was...
		See, I really can't talk too much about it.
		My whole body knew it.
		Everything, I mean, it was just, see, no words.
		That's it.
		So for some things, there really are not words to impart.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this is one of those things.
		Tell me about talking to heaven.
		Tell me about heaven.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Tell us about heaven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		Everybody wants to know about heaven.
		What lies on the other side?
		You've talked to people there.
		You must know.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Well, in the book, I talk a little bit about that because I also, in the book, I bring through different sessions that I've done.
		And of course, inevitably with a session, the Spirit will talk about where they're living or what they're doing or so forth.
		And I have found that, I don't like to describe it as in the Bible it says, my father has a house with many mansions.
		And what that means are the various spiritual levels which exist, of which there are many, many levels.
		And we go to that level that we create based upon our life on the earth.
		Most everyday average people have no problem, no worry, because they'll go to a, they're a decent human being, they'll go to a decent place.
		It's a very real world.
		It's a very solid world because the energy, the molecules vibrate at a very, very, very fast speed.
		So when the spirit body, which vibrates at the same fast speed, leaves this dense, physical, slow-moving Earth and goes to that faster vibration, that is a solid world.
		And this is a ghost world to them.
		It is very solid.
		There are trees and flowers.
		They talk about forests of flowers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that becomes reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This becomes the fading dream.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so there's trees, there's homes, there's...
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		When they play the symphony, it's so interesting.
		They talk about the symphony playing, and you actually see the notes and the feelings of color coming off the player as they are playing this instrument.
		You see all the essence of the love of the musical notes.
		You see, because we're so missed with Earth, we're just so limited.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let me tell you how really limited I am.
		All right?
		I can conceive of heaven.
		I can conceive of a wonderful place, but it does not include wings flitting about on clouds, soft harp music.
		It includes some rather, as I think about it now, James, some rather earthly kinds of things.
		It includes women.
		It includes the NFL.
		It includes beer.
		It includes radio.
		It includes all the things that I love.
		And if those things aren't there, then that wouldn't be heaven for me.
		So.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You got it right.
		Of course, what you make it.
		Heaven is your own consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly right.
		And if you wanted to play the piano down here, you never had a chance to, you can play it over there.
		If you want the beer over there, you can drink beer over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Well, see, over there, Green Bay would have won.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		And they do play sports over there.
		They have activities.
		Many times I brought to a man and I said, well, he's talking about golf.
		This man likes to play golf on the earth.
		He said, oh, yes, he played all the time.
		I said, well, he's showing me golf.
		He's playing golf over there.
		So it does happen.
		definitely happened And you're right, there are no...
		And I say, I'm sorry, because it doesn't exist.
		That's mythology.
		And I do believe that that came about when someone had an appearance of a spirit in the room.
		And around the spirit, of course, was an aura, electromagnetic field, like we all have.
		Yes.
		And that's what they saw, was that aura.
		And they interpreted that as wings.
		And I believe that's what that came from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, it's interesting you should mention auras because my guest this coming week on Dreamland is going to talk about auras.
		It's one of the most, I've been searching for a guest on this subject for I don't know how long.
		Do you see auras?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I see, yes, I do see auras.
		I see auras, and I will tell you, it's stronger with certain people than other people.
		And it's very interesting because the aura, of course, records your thoughts, your feelings, your emotions, your mental state, your health state.
		And many times I'll see things like colors.
		For instance, I'll see a lot of green around someone, around their neck area, their shoulder.
		And I'll say, you're having trouble with your shoulder and neck, aren't you?
		And they'll say, yes, I am.
		I have pain there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Green means pain.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Healing.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, green is healing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I see.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		And pink is love.
		And yellow is a lot of mental activity.
		A person's thinking a lot, they'll have a lot of yellow in the head area.
		That happens quite a bit.
		And I feel the energy, too, around them.
		Besides seeing the aura, I'll feel the aura.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the opposite?
		What about ill health?
		What about a spirit that is troubled or a murderer or, you know.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, first, let's talk about ill health.
		Like when I see someone first sitting or reading, I will scan the body.
		What I do is I scan the energy of the body, and I can't explain how I do it except I sit with a pen and a piece of paper.
		And I used to do this before I even knew anything about it.
		I go up and down the spine, like a Piece of paper, I'll draw a figure, a stick figure of them, and I, believe it or not, will stop at a certain place on their body where the energy, there's an energy block, where the energy is not flowing up and down the spine correctly.
		And I'll say, there's something wrong with your heart.
		Yes, I have had heart trouble, or I have a vowel problem, or had bypassed, because it's broken in the energy.
		It's recorded there, and you can see it in the energy field.
		When someone is ill, for instance, AIDS or cancer, the body is depleted, the energy force is depleted, they will wake up in the spirit world, and they usually will find themselves in a hospital setting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the spirit world.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		In the spirit world, in a hospital setting, not like our hospital per se.
		Very more comfortable and beautiful.
		That's not horrible like we have here.
		And what happens is the prana, the energy of life, they breathe this into them and it recharges them, vitalizes them.
		And then they come into the consciousness of where they are.
		And they have no more health, no more ill health, no more feeling of, oh, that feel terrible.
		If they had a limb that was missing, they will have it right back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about age?
		Now, many of us don't get this horrible illness.
		It takes us early.
		But rather, we get to be very old, very decrepit, 100 years old, and then we pop off.
		And you don't want to think that you end up on the other side at 100.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, you see, we're here to learn, aren't we?
		This is our schoolroom.
		And we never stop learning.
		That's why it's always wonderful because the soul is, the mind is part of the soul.
		And every experience we have is recorded in the mind, you see.
		The mind transcends.
		But the brain will die off.
		Everything is recorded in the mind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what I said is really dumb.
		There's nothing physical about it on the other side.
		You don't translate at 30 years old.
		You die with a pretty body and end up with the one on the other side.
		It doesn't work that way.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, what happens if you die at 70 or 80 or 90 or whatever, you usually will go back to the prime of your life.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You usually go back to the healthy time of your life, the prime of your life that you choose.
unidentified		Oh, really?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you do then have some kind of physical presence on the other side.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you certainly do.
		And I've brought through many spirits, and I put scribe into this person.
		They'd say, oh, yes.
		And many times, so funny, I'd like to have some lady come to me and say, she's telling me about her wedding picture that you have her wedding picture.
		Like, I'll be talking to her daughter.
		I'll say, she looks just like she did in her wedding picture.
		And, you know, very young.
		So they do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very interesting.
unidentified		And there is a real physical world.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Very, very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Every bit as physical and real as this one on the earth.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Even more so.
		Even more so, they say.
		They can smell things.
		And they ask, where is God?
		Where is God over there?
		And the answer they come back with is, God is everywhere.
		You see God in the flowers.
		You feel God in every living thing.
		You have a sense of God in order.
		You have a perfect order here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is nature there as there is here.
unidentified		There is nature there.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		There are animals over there.
		And they're not fierce animals.
		You can talk to the animals.
		By telepathy.
		You see, everything's done with telepathy over there.
		You don't have to speak.
		It's all done by the mind.
		And there's no reason for them to fear over there.
		There's no fear.
		And people are revealed for who they are.
		It's almost like with no clothes on.
unidentified		You see who your person is for their true being.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		See, everything is uncovered.
		You are completely naked in that you are who you are.
		People see you for your character of who you are.
		Isn't that scary?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly what I was sitting here thinking.
		Isn't that scary?
		I want to talk a little bit more about animals because there's some pretty weird things going on right now in our world with animals.
		And I'll tell you about that, and you can comment on it when we come back.
		My guest is James von Prague.
		He's the nation's, I think, premier spiritual medium.
		He also has the nation's number one bestseller right now, a book called Talking to Heaven.
		So obviously, an awful lot of people believe what James von Prague does is absolutely right on the money.
		From the high desert, the place that will answer, this is Coast to Coast, A.M. is James von Prague.
		James, welcome back.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got some challenging faxes for you here, okay?
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, your guest tonight, James von Prague, is dead wrong.
		First, not everyone goes to heaven, probably a whole lot fewer than you think.
		Now, do you agree or disagree with that?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		How do they know?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think you go to what you created, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They don't know, but you're supposed to know.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, like I said earlier, you create your own heaven or your own hell based upon the way you lived your life or in your beliefs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, then key question, James.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you reach out to speak to some people that you are asked to speak to, how many times do you find them in hell instead of heaven?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Ah, well, very interesting because it depends on what you think of hell.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Hell is not fire and brimstone, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about just a situation they're not at all comfortable with?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's hell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's hell indeed.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		They can't forgive themselves.
		They feel so upset about how they treated someone else on earth, but they have a hard time forgiving themselves, how they treated someone, how they didn't let someone live to the expression of who they were, that they put them down.
		A wife treated her husband horribly.
		They would have to come back and relive all that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you remember The Twilight Zone, James?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I love that show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Do you remember there was one episode of a guy who passed on, went to this place where he was sentenced, apparently, to live with his horrible, shrieking shrew of a wife who just tore into him every minute.
		And that, of course, certainly would be hell.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That would be how.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, do you find people in that sort of a community?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		A lot of times I find people, oh, yes.
		That's when I tell people who I'm sitting with, you know, now it's up to you to forgive this person.
		Gund them forgiveness.
		Gund them thoughts of love.
		Tell them, you know, it's okay.
		You know, you forgive them.
		Because it'll help them to forgive themselves.
		You see, it'll help the spirit to forgive themselves and move on.
		You know, and they have to realize that they're not perfect.
		And I find this especially true in suicides.
		I find that many of those Who pass on find it very, very difficult to, you know, they see what they've done.
		And I have a whole chapter in the book about it, and it's awful.
		There was one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Suicide is not painless.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, suicide can be, suicide is not painless.
		No, it's not.
		It's quite the opposite.
		There was one story I have where this man hung himself, and he actually showed me, and this does not happen that often, he showed me what it felt like with him when he left the body.
		Straight out of the top of the head, he hung himself and came right out of the body, and he was showing me himself looking down, and he was so upset at what he did, he tried getting back into the body, and he couldn't get in.
		Could not get in.
		And then he felt his parents go through their grief and break down, and he felt so sorry for what he had done to them.
		Horrible, you see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He had to live that, in other words, what they felt.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		He had to feel what they were feeling and see what he caused, what he did.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That to me is hell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		What about a suicide of a different sort of nature?
		For example, somebody in the final wasted, painful, horrible stages of AIDS or cancer, one would think that under those conditions a suicide would be different in my heaven anyway, or my hell, that the relatives of that person might be relieved to know that person is no longer in a horrible racked pain.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it might be different, or is it not?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is suicide still?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		It might be not, but let's put it this way.
		Let's look at it that we are down here to learn certain lessons.
		And perhaps, and when you pass over and you realize, oh, gosh, this is just a small little place that we do live on, there is no such thing as death, and there's an expansion of consciousness, and you'll kind of say, well, that wasn't too bad.
		It was only 70 years.
		God that went very quickly.
unidentified		Sure.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You know, well, let's just look at it this way.
		What happens if a person chooses to go to the experience of AIDS or cancer?
		Because by choosing that, perhaps they alleviate the negative karma of mankind, that mankind has created by their violence, how they treat one another.
		You see, there's karma of the planet, there's karma of the country of the planet and so forth.
		And these brave souls might alleviate some of that negative karma by sacrificing themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		James, do they choose that or is it predestined?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I believe that they, well, both.
		I believe they do choose it.
		I do believe they choose it.
		And I do believe, you know, you have to look at it also, that maybe by taking on this condition of this, AIDS or cancer, maybe they're teaching their family and their loved ones unconditional love.
		Maybe they're teaching them lessons in love.
		And how do we know that that soul who has this disease is not supposed to go through that experience for the whole experience of it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't know.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		How do we know that that individual might have, for some reason, maybe something was developed that would stop that death if they waited a little bit longer?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You know, we don't know these things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Two more questions, same vein.
		Abortion.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
		I get that asked a lot.
		You know, that's very interesting.
		I asked abortion and miscarriages.
		Abortion, usually I find, is a lesson for the mother.
		Because you have to remember, the spirit comes in and out of the body anywhere from seven months before it's born, because it can come in and out three months after it's born.
		In and out.
		In and out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can have a three-month soulless being?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		The baby comes in and out of that body.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		The spirit comes in and out of that body quite often up to three or four months after the baby is born.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why in and out?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		In and out of the head.
		It's adjusting itself to the new vibration of the body, usually.
		It's working things out, and it goes in and out.
		It'll come out of the head area.
unidentified		So then at the moment...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At the moment of conception, the spirit is not inculcated.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Correctly.
		That's correct.
		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that settles a big argument.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		And most of the time, the woman, the pregnant woman, the mother-to-be, the spirit of the baby will be around her, around the midsection, coming in and checking out the new home and going back and forth, you see.
		And abortion, I found, is very much a lesson in the woman, her own lesson in growth.
		See, I have found many, many women to be very guilty after an abortion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Many, many, and I believe it's a lesson in love.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of them carry that guilt their whole life.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, and I'll tell you a little story that is very interesting.
		I work with some Philippine healers, and many times I've seen them open up women with their hands, they'll go right through the midsection, and they pull out yards and yards of this red, sloppy stuff, solid, solid material.
		And what that is, is it's the materialization of the guilt that this woman has carried with her all these years.
		They said, did you have an abortion?
		It was yes.
		This is the materialization of that negative charge.
		You see, it's a negative charge, and it has to manifest physically in order to be taken out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have seen these Filipino healers do this.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, and I've seen Brazilians do.
		I go down to Brazil every year.
		I'm going to march, and I see them, they do this.
		They go right through the body, they pull the negative charges out.
		You see, it has to exist in a certain level.
		Here we talk about frequency again.
		The last frequency that exists on is a physical.
		First, there is thought, and then you will manifest that thought.
		See, we are creative beings.
		We are God-beings.
		What is God?
		A pure creative energy, constantly creating, creating.
		We are constantly creating, and we have to be careful of our thoughts.
		If we create negative thoughts, we will manifest things negatively.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll cause negative things to happen.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
		And I believe that, like cancers and other disharmonies, they're imbalances, imbalances in the body with our thoughts and the guilts and so forth.
		And they will manifest if we do not clean it up, if we do not heal ourselves, if we do not balance ourselves out instead of having the right way of thinking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We make ourselves sick.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You got it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then we can also make ourselves well.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You got it.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		We have the power of healing within ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you a very interesting story.
		I received some photographs that staggered me the other day.
		Are you familiar with Dr. Lorraine Day?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		She worked in San Francisco, worked on a lot of AIDS patients.
		She then, later in life, and she's now about 60, got cancer herself.
		And I've got a photograph of her cancer.
		It's really gross.
		It's a gigantic, horrible tumor.
		And Lorraine Day cured herself.
		She Cured herself spiritually.
		And actually, this thing is gone.
		It's gone.
		I've got photographs before and after.
		It's remarkable.
		So people can heal themselves, can't they?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		They certainly can.
		The power of the mind is very, very strong in the power of God.
		And you have to be careful.
		You have to be very careful with those other people out there, medical people and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		If a medical society would work with alternative ways of healing, boy, we'd certainly be much more a healthy society than we are now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, you talked about suicide.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about, this is really a hard one.
unidentified		What about the death penalty?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Again, I hate to refer to it.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know I hate it, but I refer to that in my book because people have asked me that, but capital punishment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not suicide, or is it?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, every life should be treated with love and respect and all that, yes.
		You bet it should.
		First of all, we're unleashing an individual.
		Let's say they're upset that they're going to be dead, which mostly then they would.
		And we release this being, this soul, who obviously is very negative or thinking very negative or upset.
		Let's say they were the criminal, they were guilty or so forth.
		Instead of educating these people, evolving, bringing up their, opening up them to the spiritual selves of their nature, we unleash this being to a world of spirit.
		Now they will go to the lower vibrations more than likely.
		You talk about hell, they'll go to a darker level or a slower level because, let's say, the negativity, the guilt that they've done, the crimes that they've committed to fellow people.
		What happens is they're pissed off that they're dead, number one.
		And they want to get, most of the time, they want to get back.
		They want to get back to this earth because they're upset, and they want to relive life.
		They will very, very often, and they have no awareness of a spiritual world whatsoever, and they're thrown into it.
		And they will many, many times walk on this earth influencing other people of lower consciousness.
		To do crime and so forth, to carry on what their consciousness was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in that case, we're unleashing evil on ourselves when we do this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm following your train of logic.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Exactly right.
		That's exactly right.
		And it's up to us, the responsibility, to change that.
		The criminal system is so messed up.
		It really should be to help those people.
		Help those souls, those poor souls.
		Because, you know, they don't know any better.
		I believe that certain people, that consciousness, are at a certain level of consciousness, and we have to help them.
unidentified		You know, I must say, who are we to judge?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I know, it's not, of course, not right to take a human life or so forth.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I don't say it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we generally, now, remember, James, we only generally execute the very worst.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the people who have committed heinous crimes, mutilated people, raped and done the very worst, double and triple murderers, that kind of thing.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but if we release that individual and we have released them without helping them to progress spiritually, they will be released at a very low, low, low level.
		And they will influence those other beings on this earth with like minds, I'll tell you.
		And the same thing with people with drugs and alcohol.
		You know, many times there are alcoholics who pass over and they miss that drink, or they really want that drink, and they will go to clubs and bars.
		And, you know, the aura, we talked about the aura before, the electromagnetic field, if there's someone that's a substance abuser, alcoholic or drug addict, and they drink and drink and drink, what that does, the psychic web or the aura, it puts little pinprick holes in that aura, in that energy field.
		And these lower influences, these alcoholics, these spirits, alcoholics, will miss that essence.
		They want to taste it again.
		They will influence that individual.
		You know the term vampire?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Where it comes from.
		What do they need, the source of life, blood they need?
		Well, this is the essence of life.
		They will attach themselves to these beings at a bar or club, and they will start influencing them to drink, because the spirit can receive the essence of that drink.
		It'll taste very real to them.
		You know the expression, oh, he's not himself when he drinks.
unidentified		Yeah.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You bet he isn't.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You bet he isn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So their sentence, that's the only way I can think of it, would be to remain on earth, to influence others, to be as they were, and vicariously.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		It's really consciousness.
		It's really the awareness that they have.
		It's the awareness level to where they're at.
		If they don't know any better, then they won't go anywhere.
		You see, it's all about progression and learning.
		And one has to be able to have that awareness or want to learn, want to be enlightened.
		And there are many souls in the spirit realm who go down to those lower levels, those very low levels, and try to help those souls, to bring them up to a higher level of consciousness.
		But some don't want to know anything about it.
		They were stubborn on the earth.
		They don't want to believe in anything.
		They won't go there.
		They want to stay tied to that physical, you know, that gratification.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Here's somebody really taking on.
		He says, James says that his God is totally a God of love.
		Maybe he hasn't read the Bible lately.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I love those Bible people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He is a God of love, but, and the but is in capitals, he's also a God of justice.
		He does not tolerate certain things, like it or not, some people will go to hell by their own choice, not gods.
		He only complies with your wishes.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And to some degree true by your own description.
		In other words, not everybody is embraced by God's love.
		Some of these people are rotten souls indeed, and they stay down here doing their rotten little work.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, that person's idea of God is a little different, too.
		Let me go explain further about God.
		I believe that you are God.
		I believe that I am God.
		I believe every single person on this earth is God.
		That God's spark inside them.
		We all have that God's spark.
		I find it so hysterical, Art, that people limit God and people limit God to one religion.
		I think it's hysterical they can do that.
		How can we do that?
		My God, you can't limit my God.
		My God, you just don't limit.
		I think God, this force, is beyond our comprehension.
		You know, way beyond our comprehension.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of things about God that are beyond my comprehension.
		I mean, Saddam Hussein will say, we're going to war, and God is on our side, and we'll be victorious.
		And we will say the very same thing, as will the Chinese, as will the Tibetans, as will anybody out there who goes to war.
		God is on their side.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
		And we start talking about religion and organized religion and so forth.
		And my way of saying or thinking about this is the following.
		I believe that, and I'm going to get flacked for it, and that's fine.
		This is my way of thinking.
		I believe that most religions are man-made.
		They are man-made rules.
		The Bible is man-made, okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you are going to get flacked.
		The Bible is man-made.
		It's not the absolute definitive specific word of God.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, please.
		The Bible has essences of the truth.
		I'm not saying it's not true, the Bible.
		There are parts of the Bible which are very, very true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Essences of the truth?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there are bits and pieces in the Bible of truth.
		But unfortunately, I think man has influenced the Bible and the writings of the Bible so much to really empower themselves, okay?
		To create a power, the man power, that man control.
		And that's what religion was born out of.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the Dead Sea Scrolls?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about evidence that the Bible is accurate?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I believe the original Bible probably was, but I also believe that it was interpreted so many different times and so many different ways and translated so many different ways, and everyone had their own take on it, their own gain on it, if you know what I mean.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That it had to come out a certain way.
		You see, if you can control the masses, then you have power.
		You have the earthly power.
		How do you control the masses?
		Well, you control them by fear.
		You control them by fear.
		If you don't do this, this is going to happen to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some have said the opiate of the masses.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
		So you either have fear or you have love.
		You have dark or you have light.
		There's always there's that duality again.
		You see, that's what it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're going to get in trouble.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's okay.
		You know, again, people can have religion.
		I think it's very important that people, certain people have that.
		If they need that, then that's good.
		I'm not judging.
		I'm not saying it's a bad thing.
		But I think everyone has a right to believe the way they're going to believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's test what you don't believe in the Bible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Bible begins with Genesis, the creation of all.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let there be light and so forth and so on.
		The creation of the earth.
		The placement of Adam and then Eve.
		All of that baloney?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I don't believe that's all.
		I believe a lot of that's Bible stories.
		I think some of it is baloney.
		I think Adam and Eve is baloney.
		I think it's mythological.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, Adam and Eve.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't believe that.
		But I do believe there's an essence or power.
		There's a source.
unidentified		Where did we come from?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where did we come from?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did we.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I think we've always been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I mean is, though, well, we always have been.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I think we've always been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Didn't we crawl out of some sort of, I mean, a lot of scientists would say, look, there was a muck, there was a gunk, there was an ocean, there was a sudden bolt of lightning, there was life.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we crawled from the ocean on our little bellies.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I think there was an evolution, definitely.
		I do believe that.
		Again, I don't know if it's spiritually.
		You know, I think it was a consciousness of mankind.
		I think that consciousness did transcend over these eons of time, definitely.
		And I think that corresponds with the physical as well, with the physical manifestation and evolvement.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you buy evolution?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The hand of God, though, involved in evolution.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		In everything.
		See, we're constantly learning.
		We're constantly growing.
		Constantly learning and growing, you see.
		Always.
		That's so wonderful about life.
		Life is just constantly growing.
		That's what is no death.
		You're constantly learning and growing and living.
		Life is living.
		Constantly experiencing, experiencing, growing, creating, creating.
		Being one with that creative force, that God force.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I didn't ask you about animals, and I'm going to definitely do it after the top of the hour.
		And we will be taking calls.
		James Vaughan Prague is my guest.
		We are not going to do readings, but we're going to take calls about the topic that you're listening to right now.
		In other words, you know, what's over there.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		Coast to Coast AM.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now to James on Prague, and we are having a general discussion with him.
		He is fully capable of communicating with those who have passed on, but we are not going to do that on the phone this time.
		We are going to rather have a general discussion and general questions when we get to them on the lines here shortly about what we're talking about.
		And we are talking about many things on the other side.
		James, I want to ask you a little bit about animals.
		I've got a story here in front of me, and I've had too many of these lately.
		Associated Press from Massachusetts, rescuers struggled in cold, windy weather and rough seas Friday to save dozens of dolphins off of Cape Cod, where more than 50 of the animals have died in the past two days.
		White-striped dolphins began inexplicably beaching themselves Thursday morning, many dying from exposure.
		Others were euthanized on the spot.
		Scientists say nobody really knows why the animals strand like this.
		One theory is they move in social groups.
		They think in social groups.
		And when one or two get sick and go ashore, sometimes the entire group follows them in, committing suicide.
		Any thoughts on this?
		More and more these days, we are having this really weird thing where dolphins and whales, rare as they are, are killing themselves.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I do believe there's group consciousness there happening.
		I definitely believe it.
		I know about that.
		Telepathically, they communicate with each other.
		For the reason why they're doing this, I don't know.
		I certainly would, I don't know, but I would certainly think that man should start questioning things about the sea and how their responsibility to the ocean and the life forms that are in that ocean as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is going to sound really strange to you, I suppose, and to a lot of people out there who are going to go poo-poo.
		But I am really, really close.
		I have three cats and a dog.
		And I'm a cat person.
		I am really close to my cats.
		I mean, I think that I can communicate with them telepathically.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think, and I know I can, in fact.
		That's all there is to it.
		I can telepathically talk to my wild cat, and he will suddenly just melt down and let me pet him and is suddenly very calm.
		And this is normally a wild animal.
		And so somebody here, Irene in Montana, writes, Art, please ask James if we will again see pets who have died and to whom we have been very, very attached.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I mean, again, again, there's a chapter in my book about animals.
		And I can't tell you, I mean, it's so incredible the love bonds that are there between the living and their pets.
		I mean, it's just incredible this bond.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very strong.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I had a demonstration once with 400,500 people, and I went to this girl in the second row of the auditorium.
		And I said, there's a lady standing here.
		And I said, she's a grandmother.
		And she's from the mother's side of the family.
		And I said, this is a very odd thing, but she's giving you a cat.
		And it's a black-to-white cat.
		And she's handing this cat to you.
		And the girl broke down, I mean, completely broke down in tears.
		And I said, what is the matter?
		And she said, when I was standing in line to come in here, I concentrated on my little cat, the cat, that died last week.
		I had to put the cat down, and I just wanted to communicate with her.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I absolutely understand that.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		But the best part is, she said, and I understand why my grandmother gave me that, brought the cat in.
		I said, what is that?
		She goes, well, on the earth, my grandmother, when she was alive, I was a little girl, she gave me this cat as a kitten.
		And now here is the grandmother in spirit giving her back her cat this way.
		And I've had examples of animals coming through.
		Oh, incredible.
		Even down to the detail.
		I once had this girl came to me who was deaf, and she had a dog that would let her know if someone was at the duel and so forth.
		And the dog died.
		And again, this girl came to my office.
		I knew nothing about her.
		I didn't know who she wanted to contact whatsoever.
		And I said, there's a dog in the room here.
		It's a spirit dog.
		And I said, it's very strange.
		It's talking about a red light.
		And she goes, yes, I understand that through the interpreter.
		Yes, I understand that.
		And I said, the dog talks about you bringing it to the corner on Fridays and getting milk and bread at the corner store.
		And you used to tie it outside and used to sit and wait for you.
		And she said, it's exactly right.
		I said, it also talks about the red collar with, it describes the collar perfectly.
		See, I've had animals describe the death condition.
		I've had one animal say, oh, it had arthritis.
		It said, oh, the animal said it had arthritis in its legs, and you had to carry it up the steps.
		And the lady broke down and said, exactly right.
		Animals are pure.
		I mean, they need a pure love.
		Look at the lessons they teach us in unconditional love.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I mean, God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then animals have souls?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Of course they have life force.
		They have life force.
		I do believe the animals...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They would say that's absolute boulder dash.
		Animals do not have souls.
		They are put here for us to use.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my gosh, how egocentric.
		How could God do something like that?
		They have life force, okay?
		Everything has life force.
		I believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're damn right I believe that.
		They have life force.
		You bet they have life force.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
		And they will be with us again.
		There's another story, which is a wonderful story about this man, and this was done from the story is from an English medium back in, gosh, early 1930s or 40s.
		And when my research, I read this story about a man.
		He had a horse.
		Everyone had died in his family and only had this horse for like, oh, 20 odd years or whatever.
		And it turns out it's an old nag.
		Well, the man passed over.
		The horse died.
		The horse died.
		The man was heartbroken.
		And about 15, well, whatever it was, five years later, the man died.
		And the first thing that he saw on the other side when he got there, when he came to consciousness, over this green hill came this beautiful white horse.
		And it was not the old nag that he knew.
		It was the same horse, but it was as full as could be and healthy and young.
		And that bond was so strong.
		That's the first image he got of that, you know, the horse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, then if animals have souls, they have spirit, they have life as we do, just the way we do, life force, and I absolutely believe that, then what about people who eat animals?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean, there I go?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There I go, what?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I think that we have to be respectful to the animal kingdom.
		Listen, I don't can confess to say I don't eat red meat because I do eat red meat, not all the time.
		Not all the time at all.
		Because the first thing, it's not, I think you have to realize.
		Well, it's a hard one because I don't think that man is supposed to eat animals per se.
		I think if we did things properly, we'd eat what's in the land and grow things and maybe fish, perhaps.
		I think it would be fine.
		But I do believe that we'd be very careful with animals.
		Oprah Winfrey is ridiculous.
		I just think this is so ridiculous in so many ways.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think she's going to prevail?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I think she will, because I think, you know, we have freedom in this country to say what we've got to say.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		In this country, it's based on freedom of speech.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we do.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Let's hope so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, you mentioned the UK.
		Let me read you a story from the UK.
		I've got right here.
		It says, this year has seen reports of ghosts from war zones to the bedroom.
		Listen to this.
		It appears that some of those who have passed over to the spirit world are unwilling to be kept from the pleasures of the flesh.
		A black pool woman called in a priest, two psychics, and a Mormon missionary to try to rid her of a ghost that she claimed regularly, sexually attacked her.
		The attacks began in 1994 when she felt something or somebody climb into bed with her.
		She claimed it pulled off the towel she was wearing about her head and said that it was going to, quote, make love to her, end quote.
		She then felt a vile sensation, again, quoting, like tiny needles trying to pierce my skin, end quote.
		What's going on?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Quite common, quite common.
		They're on that very low, low energy.
		See, again, like I mentioned before, it's that earthly sensation, it's that physical sensation.
		They have to get back the level that they're on, the consciousness they're on, they're tied to that earthly desire.
		That does happen, and it's quite frequent, more than you'd think.
		When I first opened up psychically, I started to be aware of beings or sensations of spirits around me.
		And much of the time, I'd be waking up in the middle of night, and it would be a very sexual feeling around me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		And there were beings there, and I don't know if it was women or men or what it was.
		It was just a feeling of sexual energy, and it wasn't coming from me, and it was around.
		Yeah, it's very real, that stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there are spirits, then, that remain at a lower physical level after they pass.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		There are men, like I said earlier, there are many levels, many levels of consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they're still seeking sexual pleasure, pleasures of the flesh.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Sure, and why not?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You know, I often say that, you know, there are some people that work at a job forever and ever and ever, and they have no sense of moving on, advancing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like our president?
unidentified		Well, God.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Let's not go there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, Valentine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't resist.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, everyone has a sense of moving on when they're going to move on.
		You know, each soul grows when they're ready to grow.
		And they might not have an awareness about growing.
		There are those beings on that level of consciousness and maybe they're not aware of the growth.
		You know, people it passed over that don't even realize it passed over.
		You know?
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's another one for you.
		Again, from the UK news, they're a rich source for all kinds of good things.
		Terrifying accounts of gravely ill people who claim to have been dragged virtually to the gates of hell by demons are to be studied scientifically for the first time by a British psychologist.
		The existence of so-called NDEs, which dying people report having mystical sensations before being resuscitated now, widely accepted by doctors and scientists and people, of course, like you, James.
		Their cause is unknown, but they typically involve a feeling of peace followed by a sensation of floating up through a tunnel towards a bright light into a beautiful kingdom.
		But it is now becoming clear that for many people, NDEs are far from blissful.
		Instead of having a feeling floating upwards, they report being pulled down toward a pit inhabited by demons.
		And they are going to study this.
		Now, of course, when people have this, they don't report it.
		You don't come back and say, guess what?
		I just went to hell and came back.
		So you don't get a lot of reports of that.
		But apparently, a lot of people are now coming forward and fessing up.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		And I would have to question that person's own belief system when they talk about demons and so forth.
		You know, I'd have to question that.
		I'd have to question who they were, what they were, what guilt they were carrying around with them.
		And it manifested possibly as that, demons, where they want to.
		I'd have to question their religious background.
		You know, I'd have to question all these things.
		You have to consider the source.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have always been extremely skeptical, James, I must tell you, of something called channeling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, frankly, even what you do, James, I've been very skeptical because it seems like there is so much room for fraud.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, in your own field, I mean, you're at the top of your field and you're very well respected, but let's face it, not all mediums are on the up and up, are they?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, no.
		No, no, unfortunately.
		It makes, you know, that's why it's so hard for me to have to do what I have to do.
		I always have to prove myself because there are those individuals out there who have no consciousness and they try to take advantage of other people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How serious a sin is that?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, for me, I think that's a horrendous sin because you're playing with people's lives, and that's a big responsibility.
		I teach what I do to those people who want to learn, who can.
		I don't believe everyone is mediumistic.
		There are only certain individuals who are.
		But when I teach my class, the first thing I teach is responsibility.
		Because if you're not going to, and the ego has to get out of the way.
		There's no room for ego in this type of work.
		This work is total service.
		It's service to one another.
		And if there's any ego, forget it, wrong place.
		And the responsibility.
		Because you have people who are at the end of their rope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		And you're playing with lies.
		And you've got to be responsible.
		You have to be.
		You know, if I can't get somebody through for them, I can't get it through.
		I don't have all the answers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's even a harder one.
		You talk about responsibility.
		Suppose somebody comes to you, James, wants you to communicate with somebody who's passed on, and you do so, and what you find out is so terrible that you've got to consider whether you want to really pass this on to the person or spare them.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's happened before.
		And what happened was when I started this work, I made an agreement with Spirit.
		Now, who's Spirit?
		Well, my guide to work with me.
		I went to many different ones for different reasons, medical doctors for various health things and so forth.
		And the agreement we made was the following.
		Because I was working at Paramount Studios making lots of money and doing the whole thing on television.
		And I quit that job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What were you doing for Paramount Studios?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I was working in their contract administration department as a manager.
		I'll be doing it.
		And making a good salary.
		Anyone would love that job.
		And I did readings at night for a very nominal fee.
		And Pierre said to me, I found it very weird to do that at night and go to a studio during the day, just a position.
		So they said to me, if you will work with us full-time, we will assure you that you will always be working.
		You will never be out of work.
		And that was right.
		And that builds up to a three-year waiting list.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you say a three-year waiting list?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Three-year waiting list.
		Yes, that's when I stopped doing the privates.
		I had to stop because it got to three years, and it was like I couldn't do it.
		And let me add, it was also based only on people referring me.
		There were no advertisements.
		I'd have to advertise.
		But anyway, the agreement was made with Spirit that if they bring through this information to me, I'm able to relay it to the person.
		Any information they give, I want them to code it, not me.
		Let them be the ones.
		So anything that comes through, I have to give it out.
		Now, how I handle that information to the person, I have to have some finesse and respect for that individual.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of like a people now translating something that shouldn't be translated.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		For instance, I read with Audrey Meadows when she was, and I said to her, I was the very first person to say this to her, I said, Audrey, your husband here, he had passed over, he tells me if you don't stop smoking, you will pass.
		And that's what I told her that he said that.
		And she understood that, and two years later she passed because she stopped smoking.
		But I mean, I had to say it, but I said it in a way, you see, you have to be very delicate, and there's a way of delivering this.
		You have to be responsible.
		You have to be respectful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, once you've said that to somebody, if you don't stop smoking, you're going to pass.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you don't stop eating the way you're eating, you're going to have a heart attack and pass.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		This is the spirit way of trying to help these people, but they have the free will whether they're going to stop or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if they don't, does that constitute suicide?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I always think I'm one level of money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would think it would do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if they really believe what you have said, and they really believe the message, and I would assume with the proofs you give that they would believe it, that would constitute, it seems to me, suicide.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		And then we have to question their consciousness and their evolution of spirit, you know, and saying the awareness level that they're at.
		Would they be aware that that's suicide?
		They might not be.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, we're at the bottom of the hour, and we've got to pause again.
		When we come back, we're going to begin taking calls.
		I do have one more question for you that involves the whole cloning thing.
		Oh, my, what a mess the cloning is.
		You know, if we can turn out infinite Art Bells or James on Brogs, are we turning out soulless beings?
		Vessels uninhabited by any life form at all?
unidentified		We'll be back.
unidentified		We'll be back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Medium, spiritual medium, James von Prague, who now has the number one New York Times bestseller, his book called Talking to Heaven.
		Maybe you can get it in stores.
		Maybe not.
		A lot of stores are sold out right now, right, James?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they've been sold out, but I've told them, please print more, and they have, so most people have it now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Usually you don't have to tell a publisher, please print more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When they're sold out, they print.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, they only had, it's pretty amazing because the ones that were on the bestsellers were millions of copies were out there for Angel's Ashes and Midnight and the Garden of Benevil.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		And my book only had 250,000 copies and it went up to number one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my.
		Well, you know, if it goes up fast enough, that can certainly occur with 250,000.
		Obviously, it has.
		Anyway, listen, here's a facts.
		First, I want to ask you, though, about cloning.
		That's right.
		Cloning, cloning, cloning.
		They're going to have the ability soon to take scrapins from under your fingernail and produce another James von Prague.
		Or two or 10 or 100.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		One is enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		However, they're going to do it.
		They're going to do it.
		Dr. Seaton, Chicago is getting ready to do it 90 days if they don't stop him.
		We're getting ready to clone human beings.
		What's it going to mean?
		Are we going to have, is each vessel going to contain the same soul, a new soul, a soul at all?
		Is it going to be a soulless being?
		What will a clone be?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, I wouldn't know what a clone would be until I see a clone, but I think it's really horrendous that man starts playing God like that.
		I find that just incredible to believe they would do this sort of thing.
		If it was a living thing, of course, by force within it, what part of that soul would that soul have something to do with the other individual?
		I don't know.
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Connected to that other individual in some profound way?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Possibly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		The response to that, because it's hard to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're off into unknown territory, that's for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It scares the fire out of me.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		It's very scary when man does that sort of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here's somebody who says, I've seen this guy on TV, probably Larry King, where you seem to be roosting a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to be on Larry King again soon, right?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I was just on, about a week ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A week ago.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I had the most response from any guest I ever had on that show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		And for two days afterwards, the CNN bureaus of the country were still getting phone calls, so they asked me to come back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I've seen this guy, he says on TV.
		He seems to be a very honest person.
		I'm very...
		He says, I'm basically 50-50 on believing this stuff, but here's a question.
		I've heard James say it's hard to hear from people who have recently become deceased.
		Has James ever talked to Jesus, to God?
		Have you ever encountered directly, in your opinion, the God force?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, Jesus being the best of all, the greatest medium of all time, the God force.
		Again, it's a hard thing to answer.
		Yes, the God force.
		Every day I live in the living, I deal with a God force.
		Pure love.
		I mean, I can describe it as pure love.
		That to me is the guide for it, that pure healing love.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But has there ever been a moment when you realized that you were suddenly encountering...
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yes, my very, very first psychic experience happened when I was eight years old.
		And I was lying in bed on a Saturday morning, and I was raised Catholic, Irish Catholic, and I didn't believe in it.
		I thought there was not something right here.
		I loved what it looked like and the songs, and I thought it was very pretty, but didn't speak to my heart.
		And I asked proof of God.
		And I would say in about two or three hours, and one morning on a Saturday, I asked for proof.
		Show me God, show me God, show me God.
		And there was a hand that came through my ceiling, palm, open-handed, and light streaming from the inside of the palm, cascading down.
		This is in the book.
		I talk all about this.
		And I got an essence, a sense.
		The room was filled with a sense of peace, joy, and love.
		These NDE people, they talked about this.
		This is what I was feeling, this peace.
		And it was just kind of like a knowingness, a reassurance.
		Oh, okay.
		And you know, children are much more open than adults.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		And I just took it and struggled, hmm, okay.
		This is what I answered.
		And that was it.
		I never told anyone about it.
		It was just something that I knew.
		I knew one day it would mean something to me, something else.
		But it was my reassurance.
		And that's the closest, I guess, the answer that I could have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's quite a story.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		That was the very first regular experience I had.
		And I wasn't frightened at all.
		It was just like, oh, this is beautiful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here's a blast from a born-again.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This guest of yours is a hypocrite and a pagan.
		His afterlife is spelled out in the Bible.
		He quoted, my father's house has many mansions.
		He is grouped with magicians, astrologers, witches, and other sadly deluded and lied-to people.
		I would say this comes straight from a born-again.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I would like, can they tell me what they really think?
		You know, it's so interesting how people judge, what are they better?
		Do they judge people?
		That makes them better.
		That's okay.
		See, they like to empower themselves.
		They have to make the other person wrong and judge them.
		You see?
		Judge them.
		We all have our own truth.
		Who are they to say?
		Have they had the experience?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		All right, good enough.
		Let's turn to the audience and see what lay is out there right now.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with James von Frag.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, sir?
unidentified		I'm calling from Garner, North Carolina, a little small town right outside of the RTP Rally Durham.
		All right.
		Hi, James.
		I'm Ryan.
		I found out about you through my mother, who saw you on CNN, but I've recently been very involved with your website.
		I was just in her chat room where they said James is on the radio.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
		Yeah.
		I've got a lot of people on my website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		James, you've got a website?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		VanPrag.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, James.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not good at self-promotion, but vanprag.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I'd like to see what they're saying right now.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I mentioned earlier I was on my site earlier and I mentioned I'm going to be on Art Bell show, so I don't know.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty funny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We will get a link up immediately.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		VanPrag.com, and you've even got a chat room up there?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have a chat room.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to have a member's chat, and I'm going to do readings over the computer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And be done.
unidentified		Of course, now it'll be harder to get in touch with the old people who's more crowded.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I like it, isn't it?
unidentified		12,000.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		After that show.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		12,000.
unidentified		Now those people out there know what I sound like.
		But I really enjoy it.
		I wanted to thank you for that.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're welcome.
unidentified		Bless you.
		Of course, do keep in mind, I think I tried to tell you this when you came in yesterday, that Americans seem to be impressed by things and get all into something.
		And then they just brush it aside, so don't be upset when the book isn't number one.
		Oh, no.
		Rodman had a number one book.
		Madonna had a number one book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, look, having a number one book at all is pretty cool.
unidentified		Yeah, no, I'd love to have a, you know, I gotta tell you, I'm glad to hear what you say about pets.
		I feel myself being able to communicate with my pets.
		Like, they always seem to come around whenever I was down.
		Right, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And it's mine right now, you know, people always laugh.
		I'd say it talks.
		It has all these different grades of how it like, you know, the makes the meow sound.
		It's really funny.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what?
		My pets come to me when I'm sick, when I'm down, when I'm feeling rotten.
		They come to me, they know.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful healers, aren't they?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful healers, animals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do they know?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they're on a different vibratory rate, of course, frequency.
		How do they know it's going to rain?
		Cows lie down in the ground.
		How do they know about a natural disaster?
		They go under some earthquake.
		They'll know ahead of time.
		They are on a different level than we are.
		Their antennas are a little bit higher.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the oath.
		James von Prague.
		Hello.
		Hello there.
unidentified		Yes, hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		My name is Trish.
unidentified		I'm calling from Spokane, Washington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Trish.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Trish.
unidentified		All right, I love your show.
		I've listened for about three years now.
		It's just wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And James, I think what you do is so wonderful.
		I have a question.
		I lost someone several years ago suddenly.
		They died in their sleep.
		They weren't ill.
		There was no indication.
		I've always wondered about the consciousness or the effect of that suddenness when they died and moved on to the other world.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		It depends always on the type of death that happens, how the occurrence takes place, you see, the type of death it is.
		If it's a death like a sudden death, it's very different than someone who's been ill for a long period of time.
		In this situation where this person died in their sleep, more than likely they would kind of have a, they'd wake up and around them would be most relatives or friends who they knew on the earth, who they had a strong love bond with, a love, you know, very connected with.
		And they will greet them and bring them over.
		Many times it happens when people pass in their sleep.
unidentified		It just seems like the adjustment period, even though being ill would be hard, the adjustment period would help you.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Very smart.
		Yes, there is an adjustment period because it's a new world in many respects.
		Because you see, it's our mindset.
		Our mindset is in the physical world.
		But then when you get to the spiritual world and you realize it's a very physical world, it's a whole different way of living, you see.
		So there is an adjustment period, usually about three months I have found.
		When I do readings with people, it's usually three months I say the person should be over there because we don't want to pull them right back down to this earth level.
		We want them to adjust over there.
unidentified		It's very hard not to do that.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		It's very hard not to do that, of course, because you still have a natural grief with this individual.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		But realize that they want a better place and send them love, you know, send them love.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		And I want to tell everybody, my webmaster, who is fast, Keith Rowland, who you ought to vote for, by the way, for the Webbies, now has a link up to von Prague.com.
		So if you go to my website, you just go on down to James Von Prague's name, click on it, and over you go to his website where apparently there is a chat room where I'm sure by now many are gathering.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, gosh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with James Von Prague.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, where are you?
unidentified		Temple City, California.
unidentified		My name is Teresa.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I've been a fan of James for years ever since he was on the other side.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, thank you.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		10,000 NBC show, or just in case you didn't know that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The other side.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		The other side.
unidentified		And I've gone to a couple of your demonstrations and everything.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, have you?
unidentified		Thank you.
		Yeah, they were great.
		And I know you can't do reading, so I'm not going to bother you with that, although I'd like it.
		But I have a question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's correct that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He can do readings.
unidentified		Oh, of course he can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're just not doing them right now.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's right, I understand.
		Which is really a relief for me, I've got to tell you, because it's all I've been doing lately for the book is that.
		So I appreciate that, R. You bet.
unidentified		Okay, my question is, many times you've said that there is no time in heaven, and I'm wondering, how does that exactly work, especially with us here?
unidentified		Does that mean that they can come to our future or our past, or can they travel in time?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		What happens is when they leave the physical earth, they are outside of time.
		They are outside of time.
		And time is only relative to the physical world.
		Therefore, they only know it's our birthdays or holidays by attuning themselves to our mindset or looking at us and observing us running around shopping or so forth.
		That's how they know these things.
		They can see in their expanded consciousness a little bit ahead and a little bit behind.
		So look at it like this way.
		If you're in a helicopter and you're looking down at the road, you can see a little bit ahead, a little bit behind, and you may be able to warn them that there's a problem up ahead in the road.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man, that's exactly where I was going.
		You know, there are so many people right now who have written books, for example, about angelic intervention.
		Somebody going down the highway about to have a collision with a big old 18-wheeler or something and be smashed into little pieces.
		Suddenly, there's some kind of message, some sort of intervention to prevent that from occurring.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Certainly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that a result of the people you just described, the spirits, who are able to look a little bit ahead and a little bit behind?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		They can protect you.
		And you would be so surprised how protected and influenced you are during the day and during the night.
		And there are those beings that are around you who help and protect and guide or guide their guidance.
		They give us guidance.
		So, yes, very true.
		And, you know, I also must say to you, like attracts like, the natural law, like attracts like.
		You will attract you, those beings, those guides, the teachers, at the same level that you're on.
		When you keep your consciousness, your mind, to a certain high level, then you'll bring those up on that high level to you.
		Guess the opposite.
		If you have your mind in a lower level, you'll bring those lower entities to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there really are angels?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		There are angels, but angels not with wings.
		Angels are your family that passed over.
		Angels are teachers that you've known before in lifetimes.
		Those are angels or guides.
		I always say angels are guides, same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		John writes the following.
		Edgar Mitchell, the Apollo 14 astronaut I have interviewed many times, has said, quote, I see spirituality as a personal experience of divine reality.
		I see religion as believing in somebody else's experience of divine reality.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't say it better myself.
		I totally agree.
		Totally, totally agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Wild Cardline, you're on the air with James von Prague.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, I'm Paul from Minneapolis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Paul.
unidentified		Hi, Paul.
		And yeah, just I wanted to say a few things.
		First, when Jim was talking about questioning God when he was a little kid, I had the same thing.
		And actually, I prayed for a certain toy to come to me, a dump truck.
		And it did come to me.
		And yeah, that was my first question you've got.
		And I thought that was kind of funny that that happened to me.
		Also, a comment made about feeling a little guilty about maybe eating animals and stuff like that.
		I really want to worry about it because I think, yeah, he says animals definitely have consciousness.
		I think plants do and rocks do as well.
		You know, it's like kind of a thing that steps down.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Totally true.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		The vibration is different.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rocks.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they have vibration.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		They have a consciousness, but it's a little slower.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Definitely.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		And trees and plants, always.
unidentified		Absolutely.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I walked into a room once and I felt, I heard in my head all this screaming sound, like, eee!
		And I looked around, and the plants were dying.
		They needed water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my, okay.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's what happened.
unidentified		Yeah, that makes plenty of sense.
		Also, I wanted to just tell you about certain few things that happened to me that I really haven't been able to talk to many people about because obviously they don't understand them.
		But you're talking about being more openly psychically or spiritually and having entities all of a sudden coming over and wanting to play to steal energy or whatever that may be for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The lower forms, yeah.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Definitely.
		They're mischievous, of course.
		Unevolved.
		Certainly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's somebody, Scott, who simply asks, and I think maybe we covered this, I'm not sure, simply asks, is there sex after death?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is a good question.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		Everyone's wondering about that.
		And they also wonder, can Spirit see them having sex, too?
		And the answer to that is they have, it's almost like an unspoken law.
		They do respect you.
		Okay, so they will respect your private time.
		There is not sex like we would think.
		It's more like an essence between the two of them.
		They see each other for who they are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So not sex in the same physical sense we understand it here.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Hmm.
unidentified		That's right.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		It's a joining of oneness with, it's almost like positive and negative come together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		More like a spock mind meld.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Exactly.
		There was a movie, Cocoon.
		Remember Cocoon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, of course.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That one scene in the pool between the two of them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's the closest thing that I could say it's like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, we're at the top of the hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you tired or good to go?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I'm good to go.
		I'm cleaning.
		I'm fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Hold on, James.
		James von Prague is my guest.
		He is, without a doubt, the nation's number one spiritual medium, and he certainly has the number one bestseller Right now, New York Times bestseller called Talking to Heaven.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast A.M., talking not to heaven, but to a lot of earth.
		We'll be right back.
		James, you've taken quite a few hits this morning from those who describe themselves as born again.
		I've got a lot of faxes here from those folks.
		And I just got one from my friend Daryl that has to be the classic of all time.
		It says, I have no problem with those that are born again.
		I would simply ask that they keep the afterbirth out of my face.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought you might enjoy that.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I love that.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back to those who await.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with James von Prague.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, I have James' book, and I just want to say it's great, and I love your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you have a hard time finding his book?
unidentified		No, not really.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, Color?
unidentified		From Wisconsin.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, right.
unidentified		Okay, my question is, I'm wondering what effect the collective consciousness and negativity have on weather.
unidentified		For example, our Colossians are big both of you energy.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, because I pointed out there in the book, and I wrote about the consciousness of humankind affects many, many things.
		And I can't say it affects weather or not.
		I think there are many, many factors involved.
		It certainly could.
		I think a lot of the events that are on our earth are affected by the consciousness of human beings.
		And I certainly do believe that.
		You ever notice around Christmas time, there's always a nicer feeling in the air.
		The holidays?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Because people have thinking more loving thoughts.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		It changes the atmosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so then it changes the reality.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then her theory about the weather could be absolutely correct.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		It could be.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you very much.
		Yes, I've often thought the same thing, and so I struggle with myself because as a talk show host, I deal with a lot of negativity.
		I mean, there's a lot of negativity in the world.
		And when you broadcast it and chew it over and talk about it, somehow it seems to manifest negative things.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's why being a broadcaster has a responsibility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Like being a psychic, huh?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Because what you put out there, you know, you'll put out into the consciousness of people.
		And that's, you know, it will get out there.
		I mean, that's why even movies that are shown, like these horrible, violent movies, that stuff exists.
		Thoughts have been created, you know, to create that picture, that image, thought went into it.
		And that thought remains somewhere.
		That force, that energy remains somewhere.
		That negative stuff.
		And it's around the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you, as a psychic, as a medium, spiritual medium, have you ever had a glimpse yourself into the apparent future of the globe, of the world, where we're headed?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I think, you know, it goes into free will, okay?
		I think that, again, the majority of the consciousness of the people of the earth, it makes a big deal.
		It makes a big difference.
		I think there are a lot of people out there, or a lot of negative people, negative energy.
		I also believe there are a lot of loving individuals out there.
		And I do believe that light workers or healers or whatever you want to call them, were born or are born at certain generations, certain times, to almost balance out the negativity and the negative forces.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me give you a good specific example.
		Right now, the whole world is talking about biological warfare, the little germs that could eventually take us all out.
		Now, we're concentrating so heavily on it, and we're literally expecting it.
		The expectation is we are going to be attacked by biological weapons.
		Is that going to bring about that reality if we don't stop thinking so hard about it?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Very strong possibility.
		I actually think so, it is.
		A great book, I haven't think of it by James Allen.
		That's all about that.
		You know, The Creative Mind.
		See, God gives us a creative mind.
		And it's what we choose to do with that creativity, either make it positive or negative.
		We have free will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard Line, you're on the air with James on Prague.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Yes, hello, Art.
unidentified		This is Mike in Philadelphia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Mike.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Mike.
unidentified		Hello, James.
		Hey.
		Yes, I would like to thank you both for taking everybody to the next level.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, great.
unidentified		I'd like to ask you, James, what would you tell everybody out there?
		You know, when you die, you know, people say, well, should you go to the light or should you go to the darkness?
		And I'll hang up for the answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Grace.
		All right.
		Well, let me add to it.
		A very good friend of mine, James, named John Lear, who is the son of Bill Lear, who invented the Lear jet.
		John's a good friend.
		And he was told and passed on to me that, Art, he said, be careful when you pass away, when you die, you will have an opportunity to go to the light.
		But I have been told it's a trick that you should go to the darkness.
unidentified		You.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That it's a trick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that has preyed on my mind ever since he said it.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'll tell you something.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		When you're in the dark, you can't see where you're going, can you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		When you're in light, you're illuminated, you see where you're going.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That tells everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you have no problem with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's straight to the light.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's right to the light.
		You know, when I first started doing this work, you know, like I told you earlier that when I opened up, there were some strange beings around me.
		And whenever I would say, are you of God?
		Are you of the light?
unidentified		They'd be gone, dissipate right away.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Because light has stronger vibration.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		The word love and the word God are two of the fastest vibrational words we have in the English language.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there are tricks, but there are easy ways to cut through them.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think I understand.
		Oh, that's helpful.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with James on Prague.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Thank you for taking my call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Notoka, Oklahoma.
unidentified		I am the six-fingered Messiah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are?
unidentified		Yes, I am.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful.
unidentified		I would like to know if you understand truly what hell is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you, James, understand truly what hell is?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		As far as what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what hell is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, for those who have irredeemably damned their souls by some action.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		It depends when you talk about hell.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You mean from a religious standpoint or from a spiritual standpoint?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's what I need to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just say yes.
		In other words, spiritual or religious, however you want to consider it.
		You have acknowledged that hell exists.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Definitely.
		But I don't acknowledge that hell exists in a religious setting, like a Christian religion, like there's a devil with a pitchfork and that sort of thing.
		I don't believe that at all.
		I believe there's torment, but I believe the torment is of the consciousness of the individual.
		That to me is the hell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was a movie which I can never recall the name of when I want to recall it, about a woman who went out into the desert.
		You can probably hit the name of the movie for me with her baby daughter.
		And she was determined that the end of the world was coming and that the horsemen were about to ride and she was going to go to the desert and meet God.
		And God didn't show up.
		And she began to get hungry and blah, blah, blah, blah.
		Anyway, it turns out she was going to kill her daughter to send her daughter to God and then kill herself.
		Well, she killed her daughter.
		And she didn't have it within her to kill herself.
		Then she went, at the end of the movie, she went to heaven.
		Almost.
		She went to some sort of apparent waiting room in between here and that next level.
		And she was required to judge herself.
		In other words, and her judgment was that she not go to heaven, not be allowed to join her daughter, who was indeed there, but remain forever outside that realm or that dimension.
		And she chose to condemn herself.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are we required to judge ourselves in that manner?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		We do judge ourselves.
		And I think we believe that we see if we've earned things or not.
		Everything has to be earned.
		You have to earn your place in heaven or the spiritual realms by your life in the earth.
		You must earn.
		It's like down here with to earn things in a certain way.
		We have to earn them with our spiritual tools.
		We have to.
		And we do judge ourselves.
		That's what happens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nobody's going to be any harsher, I think.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		No one but ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very, very true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a horrifying thought.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		It's quite the opposite, you know.
		There's so much love in spirit, and there's just so much love that they want to help us.
		But it's us having to forgive ourselves, which is the hard part.
		That's why there's so much help can be done from the earth level, loved ones in spirit.
		If we forgive them here, it can help to alleviate their, you know, their hell that they're going through.
		And I just want one thing I've got to say.
		And we're so quick to judge.
		How do we know, guys, if we weren't in the same situation, we would have done the same thing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We don't.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You know, so it's so hard to judge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we don't.
		We don't.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Art Bell and James Von Togg.
		Hello.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		Gosh, I tell you, I've been trying forever to get a hold of you, especially when James is on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you've done it.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm here in the Central Valley in California.
unidentified		My name is Judy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Judy.
unidentified		What I'm kind of curious about is ever since I was a little girl, I've had experiences where I've felt like I'm not alone.
		And sometimes I would feel the presence, and actually, like out of the corner of my eye, I would see, you know, things being little girl and stuff.
		I would see things like unicorns and things that were fun for me as a child that I could talk to, and they were my friends, because we were real isolated as children.
		And then as I grew older, I quit seeing the fantasy type things, I guess you would say.
		And then I started not seeing anything, but I would still feel conversations from other people, other beings.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you didn't lose it completely, I don't think.
unidentified		No, I didn't.
		I kept that part of it.
		And then when I was about, I guess, 25 or 26 years old, another phase, I guess you would call it, started in.
		And I started hearing one particular voice.
		And I kind of think he's maybe like my guide.
		Yeah, you're very meeting my laughs at me a lot because I'm not doing what he says I should do.
		You know, it's one of those things where I can hear him laughing at me more than I can hear him telling me to do things, but I still feel his words a lot of times.
		And am I ever going to get to the point where I can actually hear him like we're just kind of talking now?
		Sure.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You should sit in a development circle.
		What that is, it's like a meditation circle each week, and you sit with several people who have the same kind of like harmonious feeling of energy around you.
		You know, you get along very well, in other words, that you're very well balanced.
		And you need to sit the same time every week for about an hour, if you can, work your way up to an hour.
		And what that does is, and you let the spirit people, you say like opening prayer, and you let the spirit people work on you because they're working the sensitivity of your body, of your astral body, you see?
		And they have to work on your centers.
unidentified		Is that why, like, when I go to people's gatherings and stuff like that, where I know there's a lot of psychics and a lot of people around who are gifted, and I can sit there and I can look and I can actually see like the outlines, the silhouettes of beings standing behind people.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Because the energy is at a higher vibration when you're around a lot of psychics, the energy there is at a higher frequency, and you're able to tune in easier.
		You know, it's very much like a radio station, tuning into the band, you know, that's the band, and your tuning is at a higher level.
		You are a natural-born medium.
		You know, you really should work on that if you could.
unidentified		I've been told that many times.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I'm kind of like...
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		And you're very good at it as well.
unidentified		Oh, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you are, ma'am.
		James, that brings to mind a question.
		She said when she was young that she would see unicorns or see, and there's a lot of children that have imaginary, so-called, imaginary friends.
		Now, does this mean that when we're born and early in our life, we're open, we're spiritually attuned and able to see these things, and they're as real as real can be then, and we slowly sort of tune them out as we get older?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		This is correct.
		And I put, again, I referenced my book, it's right in there.
		I write all about this in the book, in that children, when they're born, they're closer to the other side than we are as adults.
		And they are very open because babies, what do they rely on?
		They cry.
		They feel things.
		They rely on their sensitivity.
		And there's actual, I have heard that there is an actual physical mechanism that happens in the brain as a shift around the age of six or seven that closed down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That starts to shut it down.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Right, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, what about at the other end?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do we become closer also at the other end as life is closing down?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You betcha.
		You betcha.
		We start opening up to our sensitivity.
		And you notice that older people, elderly people, are sweeter.
		They're almost like children.
		They're very sweet and innocent again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		My dad is in a hospital right now.
		His geriatric broke his hip.
		And I went to visit him.
		And I mean, these people are the sweetest, sweetest people.
		And it's very interesting how that happens.
		It's very real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So innocence comes, and then it goes, and then it comes back again.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Sure, because we become conditioned to this world, this earth world, and then we can become conditioned that this is all there is, and this is everything.
		And then you have to look a certain way and do a certain thing to be successful.
		And listening to all those rules out there.
		And unfortunately, we get caught up with them, an outside world, and we stop listening to the inside world.
		And that's what I teach people.
		I teach people to start listening to the inside world again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then maybe when a lot of people get older and begin to slip into a state that we almost might regard as almost catatonic or off into a different world or maybe diagnosed as schizophrenic or who knows, you know, at the end of life, the way people get diagnosed, they may not necessarily be exactly in that condition.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They simply are listening and speaking and hearing and seeing elsewhere.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		That's right.
		In many cases, they would be.
		Yep.
		I would always say that.
		I agree with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Oh, all right.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with James von Prague.
		Hello.
unidentified		Mr. Bell.
unidentified		Hi, this is Mara Calvin of San Jose City, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I have a question for your guest tonight.
		I just came back from Mexico.
		My mother is 84 years old.
		And something really rare happened to me.
		I was on asleep, I thought, and I felt deep, sort of like a deep headlist that I was trying to wake up, but I couldn't.
		And then deep in my mind, I felt that I needed to wake up, but I couldn't.
		So I felt like somebody kicked me and almost hit my bottom.
		And I woke up with my hand on it, and I go, oh, my, that hurts.
		And I heard my mother's voice.
		I heard my mother's voice calling me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe she gave you a good whack, huh?
unidentified		Yeah, I think so.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, we've got to hold it right there.
		James, hold tight.
		We'll be right back from the high desert.
		The area that will answer.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast A.M. Closes in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, James von Prague, once again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've really been a trooper, James.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here is a fax for you.
		Maybe you'll recognize this person.
		James, it says, congratulations.
		It's been nine years since we last saw each other.
		I had no idea what you've been up to, but I tuned in tonight.
		To say that I'm blown away would be an understatement.
		So glad to hear your work has come to fruition.
		I completely agree, animals have souls, and that we can learn so much from them just by opening ourselves to their form of language.
		I live with a wolf.
		He's sleeping at my feet now, who's taught me so many wonderful things, truly an angel on four legs.
		Two questions.
		One, I remember when Brian Hurst, the British medium with whom you once collaborated, would do readings, he'd become physically exhausted during the session, even losing a pound or two.
		Do you find your sessions physically taxing or do you take a different approach?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well.
		I stopped doing private readings, and since I have stopped doing private readings, my energy level has really increased.
		So that does, yes, it does take a toll on you physically.
		And you have to take care of yourself.
		You have to be very health-conscious.
		I work out at the gym, and I try to eat right before there's a book tour.
		I haven't been able to do this, but I try to eat right, and you have to.
		You have to actually pay very much attention to that.
		And it can affect various things, sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, number two is, I suspect there are many people like myself who want to branch out into more spiritual pursuits, but who find themselves heavily bogged down in material commitments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any suggestions on how to begin exploring and breaking loose?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, you have to start doing a discovery of yourself and see what's important to you and your values of yourself, really.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		And what's real to you and what's not real to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, it's signed Howard Johnson, Lake Tahoe.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I don't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought you might recognize it.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Lake Tahoe.
		Yeah.
		My goodness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lake Tahoe.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Good friend of mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with James Von Trag.
		Good morning.
		Good morning, Mr. Bell.
		Hi.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		It's Tommy from Brooklyn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Mr. Von Trag.
		Hi.
		Hi, how are you?
unidentified		Good.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You sound good tonight.
unidentified		This is a great show, by the way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I was wondering, have you ever solved any major crimes?
unidentified		Ah.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Ah, good question.
		I once did, I used to work with the police, and I had to stop because I used to work in kidnapping cases.
		And I would visually, when I tune into it, because I could tune into what was going on with the person, see, I just tune into the person's mindset.
		And I can visually see, like in a good sidekick, what was going on.
		And I would see these people.
		One, for instance, a man kidnapped this girl, the little girl, and I saw him driving her in the car, and she was in the front seat.
		And he reached over with his right hand and hit her.
		And it knocked me for a loop.
		I couldn't handle it.
		So that experience, and after seeing him, like, I've seen him kill them, and I've seen him bury them, and put leaves on top and boulders, I stopped doing that.
		But that was that, and I stopped doing it.
		I couldn't take it.
		It was too much for me.
		There was one situation I did a reading with, which is very, very interesting.
		There was someone that came to me, and it was this lady, and her husband died.
		Now, I didn't know this, but he came through.
		And I said, you think this is a suicide?
		And he says, it was not a suicide.
		And she was shocked.
		And I said, what are you talking about?
		I said, well, your husband is talking to me that there were two men responsible for his death.
		And I said, he's talking about diamonds, and there was a fight about diamonds.
		And you found him in a field, didn't you?
		And she goes, yes.
		And there was a gun, yes.
		What happened was this man, we found out, was working, he worked in a jewelry exchange, and two co-workers were in some kind of a cahoot, and they killed him, made it look like a suicide.
		And the information that was gathered from that, the police listened to it, and they were able to apprehend the two men, and they're now serving jail time.
		So isn't that wild?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the answer is yes.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Wow.
		West of the Rockies, you're on there with James von Prague.
unidentified		Hello.
		Great show.
		Jim, Vonnington, New Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hey, I was wondering, I wanted to ask you a guest about a person who is hasn't ever experienced any of the type of experiences that James has been talking about.
unidentified		Thick as a brick kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, psychically dense.
unidentified		Yeah, psychically dense, a very true and honest believer in God and his gracious creation and all, but very, very dense that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is a perfectly proper question, and there are many, many, many of us walking around like that.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You know, if Spirit calls people down here, they call us the walking dead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The walking dead.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because a cell phone they often say, you call us dead, and you have no idea.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You're the walking dead down there.
unidentified		You can see what we're seeing here.
unidentified		So, but what is the question, though?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the question was, what of these people?
		What do you say about them?
		I mean, they're happy in their ignorance of psychic things.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
		Perfect.
		They don't have expansion of consciousness.
		They're at the level.
		And that's nothing wrong with that.
		It's just that they're at that certain level of their belief systems, and it works for them, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in another few lifetimes, they'll wise up?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I guess they will.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we're all here to learn certain things, and we're all on different levels down here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you remember we were talking about reincarnation.
		Is the continuing process of reincarnation a spiritual progression.
		So if it is that, then one would become more spiritual as the incarnations increase.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		More enlightened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And one who is thick as a brick spiritually now might simply be in an early stage.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		And what helps you to progress?
		Experience.
		Experiences.
		Experiences are the great teachers, aren't they?
		This is how we learn our lessons, and that's how we become enlightened, evolved.
		You see?
		And we're all at different levels of that.
		And we're thrown down here in this world so we can learn different methods and lessons with other people on different levels.
		When you pass over, you're on a level which you've created, and you're with other souls of like minds who are on the same exact level as you.
		But down here, it's a mishmash of all different types of people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Makes sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with James von Pog.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		You're very good at what you do.
unidentified		I like the way you pull that together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And to the guests, I really admire your courage.
		It takes a lot of courage to stand up for what you believe and be so confident and relaxed in it.
		I have two quick questions.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Am I talking loud enough?
		Yes.
		Okay, good.
		Has God revealed to you your purpose or your goal in this life?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Has God revealed to me?
unidentified		Uh-huh.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Has God revealed to me my purpose or your goal in this life?
		Definitely.
		Yes.
		It's what I'm doing.
		I believe I came back here.
		My mission here was to help heal people.
		And that's what I'm doing.
		And I'm living God's work by doing what I'm doing.
		I'm an instrument of God, I believe.
unidentified		Are you feeding them or are you teaching them how to fish?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I beg your pardon.
unidentified		Are you feeding the people or are you teaching them how to fish?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think if you, ma'am, if you listen, he talked about his book and a chapter in it in which he teaches you how to do what he does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does that answer your question?
unidentified		That does.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		One more question, and I'm through.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		How does a person like me learn the difference between when God's speaking to me and guiding me and fear?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		Well, you are God, okay?
		If you just know that you are God and that God is pure love, and you start learning to love yourself better, and you have to accept that.
		You have to become one with yourself and trust yourself more.
		You have to trust that loving within you.
		And I'm going to tell you an exercise to do, which is going to help you, okay?
		What I want you to do is I want you to write on a piece of, what's your first name?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, she's gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She's listening.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good.
		What I would like her to do, and people can do this, they write, I love you with their name, okay?
		You put that on a mirror in the bathroom.
		You say it three times in the morning and three times at night when you're washing your face, brushing your teeth, okay?
		What happens is the word love, like I said earlier, is the fastest vibrational word we have.
		When you say that, over and over again, it will start changing the energy field around you to one of the higher vibration of love.
		And you will begin, I've had people do this, after like two or three weeks, you begin to feel very, very, very different, very self-confident, and it makes a major, major, profound change in one's life.
		And they feel that themselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just one thing, James.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you do that, when you write on the mirror, for example, you must be sure to tell your partner in life what you're doing.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		They might think something's a little strange.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They might.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with James von Prague.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, James.
		I have a question for you.
		You were earlier mentioning the seven vibrations or seven bodies.
		Seven bodies or however you want to put it.
		Sure.
		Do you have any idea why they will not publish the complete works of Charles Darwin in this country, why they only publish the one volume called his, you know, Speculations on Evolution of the Species?
		Because he wrote about seven bodies and seven species.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I don't even have no idea.
		Did he really?
		I know I did not know that.
unidentified		Well, but they only publish it in England.
unidentified		And when you go in an English bookstore, they ask you if you want the only book that the Americans ever want or that if you want the complete work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's remarkable.
unidentified		And it's, you know, it's the evolution of the spirit body and evolution of the spirit body and all that sort of thing, which apparently exist at different vibrations or on different planes or so forth.
unidentified		Do you know why that's always been banned in this country?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		I don't know.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why.
		I just, you know, I have to tell you something in that I think that we always had, and I know the religious, the Catholic Church used to have this, all the secrets, and they didn't want to give them away.
		But all the sacred doctrines they used to have, too.
		Right.
unidentified		They probably still do sometimes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, I interview a lot of people very high in the church, and they affirm that without hesitation, there are many, many secrets that are held very closely.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		And even their little things they do with their, for instance, like the anointing of the dead, the anointing of the body, they will anoint certain areas of the body and with special oils.
		And the areas that they're actually anointing are the seven main energy centers in Eastern philosophy, the chakras.
		And this is to help release the spirit out of the body.
		And in medieval, in olden days, medieval days, around the 17th century, they used to put a candle at the foot and at the head of the body after it was dead.
		The reason why they did that?
		So the spirit would not return into the body.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of very interesting things that are very little known, James.
		For example, my wife is a Catholic.
		I had occasion within the last year to take her to the Vatican.
		We went to the Vatican.
		And we walked into the Sistine Chapel.
		And the first thing you see as you walk into the Sistine Chapel is this gigantic globe in this glass case.
		And what's on the globe but the 12 signs of the zodiac.
		Not exactly what you would expect to find in the Sistine Chapel.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that amazing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I thought, so we took a photograph of it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with James von Prague.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Dave in Pittsburgh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dave.
unidentified		James, there's a question I've always had that I've tried to answer in philosophical terms, and I was wondering what your insight was on this.
		In the realistic concepts of marriage, we're always told how the souls are bonded.
		What happens, what do you believe happens in the afterworld in the case of a divorce?
		Where someone is in love with someone, for whatever reason they get divorced, and he or she gets remarried to someone that they're in love with for, let's say, the rest of their lives?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very good question.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yes, a very good question.
		And let me mention the first divorce.
		Remember, you're down here to learn lessons, okay?
		It might be karmic, which means you might have to come back from a past incarnation to work things out with that person.
		I was married, and I went through a divorce, and I knew I had to go through that marriage.
		I knew I had to.
		And I knew when it was finished, it was finished.
		I learned as much as I could in that experience.
		It was time for me to move on or her to move on.
		Just because you're married doesn't mean you have to stay married your whole life.
		If you learn the lesson you're supposed to learn from that person as much as you can, then it would hinder your growth if you stayed married.
unidentified		But in the afterworld, what would the bonding of those souls be?
unidentified		Would you be?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Right, so let me go on to that.
		I've had many experiences where I've had sessions, where I've had children come, and both parents have died.
		The parents have been married for 50 or 60 years.
		And I would say to them, your mother and father are not together.
		And they'd say, what are you talking about?
		They were loved, you know, 50 years, for God's sake.
		But no, they go to that level which is right for them.
		And when they've passed over, they've found that they were not at the same level.
		They might love each other, and that love still continues, but it doesn't mean they live together over there.
		Do you understand what I'm saying?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		And if someone's married to someone else, they will go to the person that is right for them, that's compatible for them.
unidentified		So do you believe just as we're looking through an eternity of experiences, we're perhaps also looking through an eternity of finding the soulmate that we're at the same level at?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but you know, it's so interesting.
		People think there's a soulmate.
		There are soulmates.
		There's not just one mate.
		There are soulmates.
		And we come back into this incarnation.
		When we go down here and we choose to come back on the earth, we come and group souls.
		Almost like you say to your friend, let's go take a class in something.
		We come back with our friends and our family because we are also learning Lessons with them and also tying up past karma with those individuals as well.
		We all come back at one time.
unidentified		But isn't that a little, to a certain extent, a little malice to think that by that, that love really doesn't necessarily mean anything here?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		No, love means everything here.
unidentified		Oh.
		Oh, yeah, here, here, but I mean in the grand scale of everything.
		The love that you have for this one particular person this time around may not mean anything in the grand scale.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course it does.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure it teaches you more about loving yourself.
unidentified		Yes, about yourself and about your experiences.
		But not necessarily with that soul.
		Not necessarily with that person.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Well, it'll help you grow within yourself.
		Exactly.
		And also can help that other person grow.
		Maybe you're teaching that person something that they have to know.
unidentified		Right, but you're not necessarily meant to go with that person on the same path.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Right, exactly.
		You might come together for a brief period to learn things with each other, and you've agreed upon that before you've came back into the incarnation.
		And we're going to teach you that.
		We're going to learn each other this.
		We're going to throw a few experiences here because we'll both grow from this, and then we'll move on.
		That happens quite frequently.
unidentified		Interesting.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or could, in some instances, two souls be bound?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Definitely.
		Oh, definitely.
		You bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that's what he was asking.
unidentified		Yeah.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		You could have shared many lifetimes together, and you really compliment each other.
		And yes, that does happen.
		It happens as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with James von Prague and not a lot of time.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Ert.
		How are you?
		And James.
		I'm Bob from Denver.
		And a couple of times when my cousin died when I was quite young, my cousin essentially came back to me and said that things were wonderful.
		And I wasn't really sure whether I was really going nuts or whether that really was happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure that's the case many times, James, that people receive a message or hear something from somebody who has passed, and they think they're losing their mind.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Because they rely so heavily on this earth, they rely so heavily on their rational mind, the rational conditions, the conditioned mind of black and white, that they're not aware of these other sensations that they get, see?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Which is really the truth, which is really the essence of the spirit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you would counsel people who receive such a message.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't worry, you're not losing your mind.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Encourage them.
		I would encourage them to get more in touch with it and more in touch with their inner self.
		Become more sensitized.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, you have done it.
		You have run the gauntlet indeed.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Good, because I'm ready to go to sleep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll bet you are.
		Look, you've got the number one New York Times bestseller right now talking to heaven.
		What do you advise people who are out there desperately searching for it?
		I guess in some parts of the country, it may be available, other parts not.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		They can get it from my website.
		I have plenty of copies.
		I'd be more than happy to.
		And the bookstore should be having it this week because it's number one, they've put another printing in, so they will be able to get it.
		If not, order it at the bookstore.
		That's the best way.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And again, it's called Talking to Heaven.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it a long book?
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		No, it's 150 pages.
		It's an easy read.
		People have read it in one day.
		It's a simple read.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely excellent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, my friend, I release you to the world of sleep, and I thank you for one of the best shows that we've ever had on on the subject.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		God bless you.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, my friend.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you too.
james van praagh ▲ ● ▼		Bye-bye.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
		That's James von Prague, ladies and gentlemen.
		His book, Talking to Heaven.

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