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Feb. 2, 1998 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Stanton Friedman - UPN's Lake County Abduction Show

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		listening to AM1500 KSTP.
unidentified		AM1500 KSTP
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, or good morning as the case may be, across all these many prolific time zones stretching from the Hawaiian and East Mountain Chains in the west, eastward to the Caribbean, good morning in St. Thomas, south into South America, north all the way to the Pole, worldwide on the internet.
		This is close a.m.
		Great to be here.
		A new week underway coming up next hour, Sam Friedman, the nuclear physicist, flying saucer physicist.
		We'll talk to him about Lake County and the part he had in the production of that TV show, which is going to air again, by the way.
unidentified		Got to get the date for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let us peruse the news a little bit.
		The big news in Massachusetts is that 71 dolphins have beached themselves for a completely unknown reason committed suicide.
		They appear not to be interested in living anymore, and so they just drive themselves ashore, committing dolphin suicide.
		But why?
		Why are more and more sea mammals doing this?
		Dolphins, whales, beaching themselves for completely unknown reasons.
unidentified		Weird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very weird.
		White House lawyers are negotiating with prosecutors in the Lewinsky investigation over the scope of the grand jury questioning plan for administration officials, including the president's closest advisor, Bruce Lindsay.
		Lindsay under subpoena to testify, but his appearance has been delayed.
		Meanwhile, Whitewater prosecutors received copies of the statements Clinton and Ms. Lewinsky gave in the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit.
		In the documents, both the president and former White House intern denied they had sexual relations with each other, according to sources.
		68% of the American people, some say 70, want the president to remain where he is, think he's doing a good job, probably don't care about what he does in his private time.
		I got to see Wag the Dog earlier today.
		Willie Nelson was in Wag the Dog.
		A movie following right along the lines of the present difficulties the president is having.
		And in that movie, they decide they are going to start a war to divert attention.
		It really is a riot.
		I wonder if they knew something before they produced that movie.
unidentified		You've got to wonder, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Russia, talking about war, Russia, France, and Islamic leaders are rushing envoys to Iraq today to push for a peaceful end to the standoff over UN weapons inspections.
		The U.S. pressed for Arab support for a possible military strike.
		The UN Secretary General there asked the Security Council to double the amount of oil that Iraq can sell under an exemption to a UN embargo.
		The U.S., Britain, and Iraq's leading adversaries indicated they could go along with the increase for humanitarian reasons.
		Now, I don't understand this.
		We're about to bomb Iraq, and we're willing to go along with their doubling the amount of oil they sell.
		That's very interesting.
		Why would we do that?
		In Austin, Texas, a state board unanimously rejected Carla Faye Tucker's bid for clemency today.
		She's on death row, leaving only the Supreme Court and the governor of Texas with the power to halt the pickaxe killer's scheduled execution tomorrow.
		The board also rejected her request for a 60- to 90-day reprieve to allow the courts time to consider a challenge to the state's clemency process.
		Tucker made a videotape in prison Saturday night asking Governor George Bush for a one-time 30-day stay of execution.
		So she would be the first woman executed in I don't know how long.
		How do you feel about that?
		AIDS deaths across the U.S. dropped 44% in the first half of last year, showing the power of new treatments to control that disease.
		Officials from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta presented new data at the fifth conference on retroviruses and opportunistic infections, according to the CDC.
		12,040 Americans died of AIDS in the first half of 1997.
		I got a very worrisome fact from Ray in Santa Barbara who said he has become aware that Antarctica's Larsen B ice shelf or ice field appears to be melting and he got that from CNN.
		I've got a photograph on the website that you absolutely must see.
		It involves fire.
		Oh, speaking of fire, you can still vote, I understand, for the Webbies.
		That is to say, get your vote in.
		I understand that at the Webby website, there was a fire, and I guess the voting was delayed because of the fire.
		One of their servers must have burned down.
		No doubt due to our traffic.
		We've done that to a lot of servers lately.
		So if you want to vote for the Webby, I think you can still do it.
		Go on up there.
		Click on the icon on our website.
		And if you would, vote for Keith Rowland's website.
		We solicit your vote.
		Anyway, listen, Art, I've written to you once before.
		I'm the paramedic from Seattle.
		Thought you'd enjoy this picture.
		A nurse from a local trauma center, Harbor View Medical Center, has taken up the task of being the photo historian of the Seattle Fire Department.
		Roxanne, the nurse, responded to a fire at a service station.
		While taking some photos around the fire scene, she noticed a flare of fire from a window.
		Since she had her camera in hand, she snapped off a picture.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is or seems to be a ghost in the fire.
		Note here, please, nobody was killed that we know of in the fire.
		And I don't know anything about the history of this business.
		Roxanne has copywritten the photograph, Roxanne Eberhardt, and of course we have given her credit on the website as requested.
		It is a ghost in the fire photograph.
		See what you think.
		A pack of wild monkeys swooped down and attacked passersby in a Japanese seaside town, injuring 26, all between the ages of 40 and 80.
		It is pretty weird.
		They appeared in gardens, on streets, biting people in the back and legs.
		Local authorities using loudspeakers warned residents to beware of the monkeys as the town organized a hunt for them.
		What's going on with animals?
		Again, as I told you earlier, 71 dolphins beaching themselves off Cape Cod.
		Just, you know, they tried to herd 20 back to sea and they came right back and beached themselves once again.
		What is going on?
		Mike from Ohio writes, hey, Art, religion is for people who are afraid of health and spirituality is for people who have been there.
unidentified		Interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Scientists in New Zealand are investigating the mysterious deaths of nearly 1,000 baby sea lions and other marine life on the remote Auckland Islands south of the country.
		Scientists don't know what killed them.
		Some have suggested a toxin or a mysterious virus.
		Another theory saying the deaths might be linked to El Niño.
		Mass deaths of mammals such as sea lions are not unknown.
		Sometimes it's a result of pollution, but given the remoteness of these islands, that, in this case, seems rather unlikely.
		So there you have it.
		That's kind of a rough look through the news.
		I've got a lot more here, and I'll kind of feed it to you as we go.
		Again, at the top of the hour, Stanton Friedman, who is four time zones to the east, and he will be here talking about that program he was on, and of course, much more.
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		Well, all right.
		We're going to open lines now.
		Unscreened calls.
	I have no idea what awaits.
	I never do.
	We don't ask.
	We just push buttons.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
unidentified		Hi there, Art.
unidentified		I enjoyed your Dreamland program yesterday with the Michigan UFO incident from the US.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That wasn't something, yes.
unidentified		You know, it brought to mind a story that's been in the news recently in the Chicago area.
unidentified		There's been a story of some Koreans from Texas that recently came to the beach over here in Gary, Indiana.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Koreans from Texas on a beach in Gary.
unidentified		Yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense in a news media here at a field day with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can understand why.
unidentified		Well, these people, I guess they're a cult that believes that there is going to be a UFO.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And they're worried they're going to be another suicide cult?
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've heard about this.
unidentified		Yeah, and they were staking out their position on the beach in Gary, Indiana, which is a very devastated city.
unidentified		But the thing that kind of piqued my interest was the UFO sightings from Michigan that kind of ran parallel along there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Parallel, but a very long time ago.
		Yeah, I did.
		I played something that I am going to repeat a portion of on Coast.
		I'm not sure when.
		Perhaps later a sentence goes a little bit early.
		We'll try and repeat some of that for you.
		I'm telling you, you have never heard a chronicling of a sighting better than the one that I've got here.
		And I lost it for years.
		I don't know what happened to it.
		And then I talked to it the other night on the air, and that made me go open a closet and begin looking, and I'll be dug on to if I didn't find it.
		Really something.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Well, hey, Art, let me turn the reader down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the first thing everybody should do so you don't become confused.
unidentified		You know when you had the New Year's and you were letting people come in with predictions?
		Yes.
		Well, me and about 999,000 other people tried to get through to you that night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually, we did it for two or three nights.
		I'm sorry you didn't make it through.
		Obviously, you wished to make one, huh?
unidentified		Well, you know how you acquired all those new listeners to talk about controversial issues?
		Hmm.
		Okay.
		Well, this is my prediction, okay?
		Okay.
		You remember a while back they had this is going to really sound really far out, okay, Art, so don't cut me off, okay?
		Okay, you remember a while back how they had that fire that happened, and they had a skin diver that was scooped up out of the ocean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's not a true story.
		No, that's urban legend.
		They scooped him up and dropped him on a forest fire, the story goes.
		No, that's an urban legend.
unidentified		Like, go further with it.
unidentified		Like, how?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it's an urban legend.
		It's not true.
		Somebody made that up, and it's been on the internet.
		But it's a cool story.
		And you can imagine that it could happen.
		Poor guy out there skin diving, and a helicopter comes along, scoops him up, drops him on a forest fire.
		Bummer.
unidentified		Yeah, but you know, like, the number one rule of skin diving is you never skin dive alone with a buddy, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You always buddy up, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, that was, like, rule number one.
unidentified		And, like, if he had, like, a sister or something like that, don't you think that that person would have been, like, coming out and just, like, really, you know, like getting very upset about this issue?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean if their buddy got sucked up and dropped on a fire?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
		No, I'm very well aware of what you're talking about.
		And that's one of those things that runs around the internet and goes round and round and round and round.
		And you never know.
		There might be some kernel of truth to it having occurred.
		But my general understanding is that's an urban legend.
		Wildcard line, you're on air.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once.
		Going twice, gone.
		First time caller line, you're on air.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're going to have to speak up good and loud.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm sorry, Art?
		Yes.
		I'd like to make a couple comments about your guest you had last night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Peter Davenport.
unidentified		Peter Davenport, yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm a weapons loader stationed at Luke Air Force Base.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I'd just like to have you let your audience know there is no F-15s at Luke Air Force Base.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I believe, yeah, Peter said that, I think, and said that he thought there were F-16s.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, I thought he said that they had launched F-15s for ready alert.
		There's no alert-shaped.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no.
		He said that that's what was said to be launched, but that they were F-16s.
		Two engines.
unidentified		Well, the F-16's got one engine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the F-15 too?
unidentified		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, then it was F-15s that he said were launched.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you're saying that can't be, huh?
unidentified		No, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think he said that.
unidentified		I'm not giving anyway any secrets or anything.
unidentified		The F-15s with the two engines left Luke at the end of 94.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they were there?
unidentified		Well, they were.
		In 1994, it was a training base for 15s and 16s.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that he made reference to that fact, didn't he?
unidentified		Well, no, he made the reference because they launched.
unidentified		Actually, what he said is that Luke had launched F-15s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And he didn't know how that was possible?
unidentified		Yeah, that can't be possible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what I thought he said.
		So I don't know.
		That remains a mystery.
		A wildcard line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Tom from Reno.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Tom.
unidentified		About that monkey story.
		Yes.
		I got a newspaper here that gives a little more information on that.
		And it says that these monkeys only attacked women.
		And one of them went to a lady's house and opened the door and bit her.
		And, you know, she went over to see who was at the door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that animals worldwide are beginning to rebel, turn on their owners and attack?
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		I told my girlfriend Kathy, who calls you frequently, that this year, starting this year, you would see that happening real frequently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Domestic pets, cats, jumping on their owners' faces, dogs fighting ankles and legs.
unidentified		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lot of it.
unidentified		Not only that, but farm animals, domesticated farm animals.
unidentified		I think you're going to see a lot of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was a movie called The Day the Animals Attacked.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You say that day is coming?
unidentified		I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dolphins driving themselves to the beach in Massachusetts.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God, what's going on?
unidentified		From the high desert, the area that will answer, this is coast to coast, A.M. In the Kingdom of My on the wild guard line at Area Code 702-727-1295.
		That's Area Code 702-727-1295.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning, everybody.
unidentified		Glad to be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a rainy night in the desert.
		The rain from California is coming this way with a vengeance.
		Man, I'll tell you, it's really something else out there.
		Let's talk for a second about night vision.
		Particularly on a night like this when the clouds are prolific, there's no starlight out there.
		If there was somebody out and about near my yard, I would be able to see them if I had night vision.
		I do have night vision.
		The AMT Model 2 Night Vision Spotting Scope is what I've got.
		And it gives you a great feeling of security.
		Know why?
		Because if someone's out there, you can see them and they can't see you.
		And that is, believe me, a very, very distinct advantage.
		This night vision scope has a built-in infrared illuminator for exactly situations like this.
		You turn it on, and it illuminates a yard-type area without anybody out in the yard being able to see any sort of light whatsoever.
		In fact, the night vision spotting scope actually amplifies light a minimum of 33,000 times.
		It's got a big 90-millimeter, three-power, all-glass ground lens, high-quality optics, is 8 inches long, weighs 22 ounces, easy to use, a Russian tube, assembled and serviced in America with a two-year warranty, and it is cutting-edge technology.
		How much?
		Well, something like this used to be thousands and thousands of dollars and way out of the reach of anybody, any normal person.
		Now, $349.95.
		And that includes shipping and handling, getting it to you.
		It turns night into day, folks.
		Call Bob Crane in the morning.
		He's the guy who's got them.
		At 1-800-522-8863.
		That's 1-800-522-8863.
		It is the Z-Crane Company and Night Vision.
		Are you having arthritis pain?
		One more little item, and we're actually more than caught up here.
		It's Snappy, the video snapshot from Play Incorporated.
		God, I love this thing.
		I love it.
		I use it all the time, including tonight.
		It's about the size of a pack of cigarettes.
		It plugs into the parallel port on your computer, so you don't have to take anything apart.
		You know, you normally plug your printer in there.
		Instead, you plug in a Snappy, and then you plug any video into the Snappy, camcorder, TV, VCR, whatever.
		There are 3.0 software loads, and you've got a little picture of a TV screen on your computer.
		And then whatever video you've got going into the Snappy appears on your computer.
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		I have no idea how they do that.
		A photograph that you can save or display.
		Snappy has won 25 major awards thus far.
		That just doesn't happen.
		New Media Magazine says Snappy compares to a $20,000 digital camera, and they're right.
		You can get Snappy for $99.
		You can see Snappy on the web at www.play.com or go to a Snappy dealer, which would be your local computer store, just about anywhere, and request it.
		$99.
		On the international line, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Bill, good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Ross now from the National Youth of Hotline and Monitoring Center in Australia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, sir.
unidentified		We have another Russian transmission of interest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As good as the last one?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		It's slightly different connotation this time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		They're talking about denying supplying weapons of mass destruction to Iran.
		And apparently a number of firms in the United States have 13 case examples of Russian technology being supplied to Iran.
		And we've just got this sort of a pseudo-denial from Russia in this transmission.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		From Russian radio, folks, being relayed through Australia.
		Here it comes.
unidentified		Okay, voice of Russia.
		By this time, the Russian space agency Yuri Kopchev has made a statement at a news conference in Washington after talk with the American Secretary of State Madeleine Ovac and the President's National Security Advisor, Samuel Berger, to the effect that Russia is not giving any aid for Iran in developing weapons of mass inanimation and missiles.
		13 cases mentioned by Washington and the alleged handover of such technologies by Russia, he said, have been intercepted by Russian special services.
		Such attempts have been made by private companies, but never by the government.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have?
		There we have it.
		Yes, I'm here.
		Yeah, sure they're not selling technology.
		Of course they are.
unidentified		Well, it's double-dutch, isn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I rather expect we're going to see some of that technology probably used against us in the coming Fraucus with Iraq as well.
unidentified		Yes, I understand that America's paving the way of using tactile nuclear missiles in Iran.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you've heard that, have you?
		Yes.
		It would seem to be a possibility.
		I thank you for your call from Australia.
		If the Iraqis were to be so silly as to use biological or chemical weapons against us, I think it entirely probable that we would return with nuclear devices.
		Ones probably that go deep into the ground and explode and take out bunkers and whatever else might be underground.
		I'm told the coming Fracas will use nearly all smart weapons, whereas the last war used a very small percentage of them.
		I don't know.
		Would a president start a war to divert attention from a domestic difficulty?
		If you saw Wag the Dog.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, how are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
unidentified		Hi, I just want to see you have a great program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's different.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		This is Tim from Ontario.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Tim.
unidentified		I was just wondering when you might have Stephen King on the program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would love to have Stephen King.
		Yes, would I. So I can't tell you when.
		I'm not in contact with.
unidentified		Have you ever had any conversation with him?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have not, no.
unidentified		No?
		Nope.
		Well, that would be a really great show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would be a tremendous show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No question about it.
unidentified		Okay, well, that's about all I want to know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you very much.
		Did Tom Clancy buy a sports team?
		Did he buy the Vikings or something?
		I understand Tom Clancy.
		Now, that's somebody I've been trying to interview for a while.
		Might have purchased a sports team.
unidentified		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		True or false?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Long time no speak.
		Anyhow, I'm calling you from Honolulu.
		I've called you before.
		Yes.
		And you wouldn't believe what they were talking about this morning.
		I had to let you know, they're talking about an idea of having daylight savings time over here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Hawaii?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding.
unidentified		No, I'm not.
unidentified		I think that would be a terrible thing to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have to agree with you.
		I don't like the switch twice a year.
		I hate it.
unidentified		It's a pain in the neck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		We should go one way or the other.
		Everybody should be in a synchronicity on this.
unidentified		Exactly.
		But I also found out this morning that before Pearl Harbor, they used to be even a half hour behind.
		It was five and a half hours instead of five hours to the east coast.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're kidding.
unidentified		No, I found this out today, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are time zones that are on the half hour.
unidentified		Right.
		Somewhere in Canada, isn't it?
		Like Newfoundland or something like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stanton Friedman is there, and I think that he's four time zones away from the West Coast.
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll ask him about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know there are some time zones in the Pacific somewhere that are on the half hour.
unidentified		Uh-huh.
		Well, it's just, I don't know why they even want to bother with such a thing.
		I think it's crazy.
		I mean, they're talking about, oh, well, we'll have sunset, you know, after 8.
		It won't be dark until almost 9 o'clock at night.
		Who cares?
		You know, I've never bothered setting 30 clocks ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		I thank you.
		I have never understood the logic of that.
		I have wanted to start a national movement to change it.
		It's a nightmare.
		Twice a year for me, I've got to change my clocks.
		And I have more clocks than Carter has little liver pills.
		Oh, I've got clocks in everything.
		Clocks in computers, clocks in VCRs, clocks in clocks, clocks that do change themselves.
		I've just got clocks that go TikTok, you know, with a long pendulum on them.
		I've got clocks all over the house, and it takes about half the day twice a year.
		And I just don't understand why we're doing it.
		First time caller line, you're on air.
unidentified		Yeah, this is Dale.
unidentified		Hello, Dale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Lens Ferry, I hope.
unidentified		Turn your radio off.
unidentified		Am I on the air?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you are.
unidentified		Thank you.
unidentified		Do you know if Dark Skies, the TV show, is going to be coming on anytime soon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now it has been canceled.
unidentified		You don't know if another network's going to?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's dead meat.
unidentified		Did you ever watch it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were on it?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		You think it's possible the highest success?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		I was part of MJ-12.
		You were?
unidentified		Yep.
		It kind of went off the air during the Heavens Gate deal?
		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It went off the air because it didn't get good domestic ratings.
		Now, it was a series that was murdered, not didn't die naturally, of natural causes.
		It was preempted just about every single week.
		Just about every week.
		Dark Skies got preempted.
		I played William Paley on MJ12 on the board.
		It was really cool.
		But it was one scene, and it took about two hours to film the one scene.
		I just don't understand TV.
		TV is a different world.
		Wildguard line, you're on air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, is this an Art Bell show?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		Yeah, I was wondering if I could make a comment.
unidentified		You talked to a gentleman earlier about, he mentioned about animals or people's pets starting to get crazy and attacking their owners.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, dolphins beaching themselves, monkeys attacking people in Japan.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I happen to have quite a big library of religious and theological books at home.
unidentified		And I remember distinctly, and you can take this for what it's worth, reading about God said when the end times come, animals the way they are now, they have a supernatural fear of man, meaning, you know, a lot of animals avoid man whenever they can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
unidentified		And he said, and it's written that during the end times that God would take away that supernatural fear, and they'd all turn on man.
unidentified		So I just thought it was kind of odd that that gentleman brought up that after I just got through reading that book about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about this one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Robert Ghostwolf was on the show saying that he has information indicating that large cats, mountain lions, are beginning to stalk hunters.
unidentified		Isn't that turning the tables?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, isn't it?
unidentified		Considering the way the world is now and the things that are going on, I mean, parents and adults murdering their children, churches getting burned.
unidentified		I'm sure you remember that in the news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Who's to say, you know, when the end is, but I just thought it was quite interesting that that point was made, and I had just read that, and it just seemed to be, you know, they both seemed to be just about the same thing, and it kind of makes me wonder.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you want to have warning of the end of the world?
		Pardon?
		Would you want to have warning of the end of the world?
unidentified		Well, what would I really do with that warning?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be my next question.
unidentified		A warning, and what can you do?
		You know, depending how the world is going to end, and if it's going to end by biblical prophecy of fire and brimstone or whatever, what could you do?
		Where could you hide?
		I mean, I know as far as the government goes, and this was actually shown televised on TV probably a few months ago, they've got some pretty hefty underground installations built.
		I mean, way under the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they do, but you don't think they're for people like you and me, do you?
unidentified		No, that was going to be my next point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you'd be knocking on the door, and there'd be no answer.
unidentified		Oh, absolutely not.
		I mean, when they televised this, and they talked about how this underground installation was for the Congress and the presidential people, and how they had enough food and water to last 25 years down there.
		They had schools.
		They had electric subways.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hardened against brimstone.
unidentified		It was a, oh, yeah, definitely.
		And I'm trying to think, well, they're building it all with our taxpayers' money.
		What's left for us?
		What's left for Joe, John, Jane, and whoever else?
		You know, we're on our own, so you really can't do anything except if you have your beliefs, get on your knees and pray and hope the judgment is a good one for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		Somehow, I don't think, if it really was Judgment Day, that such bunkers would prevent judgment.
unidentified		Do you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
		Sure, they'd whisk the President and Congress and all down into these sea bunkers, but I don't think judgment respects any amount of concrete and steel reinforcements at all.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		Tearing from Minneapolis.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hey, two of the affiliates here in town at 10 o'clock news reported that Tom Clancy has just about definitively completed an agreement to purchase the Vikings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what I heard.
unidentified		It's amazing because this name has come from out of the blue.
unidentified		The Vikings have been for sale for about six months, but nobody has mentioned Tom Clancy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it's cool.
unidentified		I think it is fantastic because everything the guy has touched has been a winner, and the guy's cut a lot of class.
unidentified		And if you read his books, you know, the guy's pretty sophisticated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		And it's certainly a lot better than the situation that the Vikings have here now, that's for sure.
unidentified		You know, the encroachment from Green Bay here has been rather disconcerting for Vikings fans.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm sure.
		Well, I'm happy.
		I'm very happy for you, and I'm happy for Tom Clancy.
unidentified		Well, he seems to me to be a great guy, a real guy.
		And boy, is that guy connected?
		How does he know all those secret things?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I wonder the same thing.
unidentified		Could he be a guest on your show sometime?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		He promised to be a guest.
		I was corresponding with him by email, and he promised after his last book that he would come and be a guest.
		And he has not come through yet.
		Hold him to it.
		I'll press him.
unidentified		Thanks, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		So, there you go.
		Apparently, the story about Tom Clancy is true.
		On our international line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's Jesse in B.C. Hello, Jesse.
unidentified		I got a couple of comments and then a question.
		First of all, about time change.
		There's a half-hour time change in Newfoundland.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there really?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		And you know what the worst thing, the thing that sucks the most about the time change?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What?
unidentified		I can't get your show in the early parts of the day because I pick you up on Skip.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in the summer, you suffer until it gets dark.
unidentified		Yeah, I miss the whole of Dreamland.
		Oh.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you hear Dreamland last night?
unidentified		Yes, I did.
		And it scared me.
		And I don't scare too easy.
		That thing in Michigan was pretty intense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the best I've ever heard.
unidentified		Yeah, I would say the same.
		Oh, I have a question for you.
		Sure.
		When's your mom going to be on again?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, when she gets out this way, you know, she lives 3,000 miles away.
unidentified		Well, Sturt Naganer.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you, dear.
		There's a half-hour change in Newfoundland.
		And they're on the half-hour mark.
		I used to laugh about that.
		People would call and tell me they were in a place where it wasn't 11 o'clock, it was 11.30.
		And it'd be 11 o'clock here, and they'd say it's 11.30.
		Can't be.
		Or 2.30 or any half-hour mark.
		Can't be.
		But it is true.
		There are such time zones.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
		Hey.
		This is John from Sacramento listening to you on KST 650 a.m.
		Dreamland's great.
		Your book is great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for the autograph.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the way to do a promo.
unidentified		Protocol out of the way.
unidentified		Great show last night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Incredible.
		And I have a question or just a curiosity with your insight.
		How do you think that these interplanetary alignments that are coming up on March 28th have any association with the more frequent activity that's being noted all over the planet in regard to the extraterrestrials and SETI's efforts?
		Do you have a feel on that?
		Uh-uh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why one would relate to the other necessarily.
unidentified		I just wondered if, you know, I mean, I've listened quite a bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think the ETs need any sort of planetary lineup to make a showing if they want to.
unidentified		Oh, I agree with that.
		I was just wondering if the number of sightings and a sense of frequency, I mean, what was it last night?
		They said something about something was tracked and it was 25 miles long or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Can you refresh me and your listeners on that?
		I can.
		That blew me away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I can, yes.
		There was a GOES-9 satellite photograph of something that was apparently 25 miles in size.
		It was noted not only on the standard camera shop, but on the infrared portion of the GOES-9 satellite photography as well.
		Now, there was a great disagreement about whether it was some sort of error, some sort of bit error in the GOES9 transmission.
		The argument against that, of course, is that both cameras saw exactly the same thing, and it showed an object to be 25 miles in size.
		I had the photograph, and I had it up on the website, and personally, I do think it was an artifact, but that's just me.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		All right.
		This is Crow and Hayward, listen on KSFO.
		Yes, sir.
		And, yeah, we're just getting impounded here with the surf.
		They tell us it's rain, but I'm not too sure anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, is it raining now?
unidentified		Oh, man, it's really raining.
unidentified		I'm telling you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I talked earlier to Bob Crane up in Northern California, and he said, you know, tonight, if it keeps going like this, houses are going to begin to come off hills.
unidentified		Oh, they are already.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Oh, yeah, about three or four of them slid down so far now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
unidentified		Yeah, I was listening to that news you had about the monkeys biting the people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And I had this Doberman, and she was sitting on the floor, kind of laying on the floor next to me and eating this, eating one of her bones or something.
		And she stopped eating, and she just picked up her ears, and she was listening, and she started wagging her tail.
		And then she turned around and gave me one of these one-eyed looks, you know, and she was just laughing.
		You could tell she was just digging it really, and I just had to call you and say, maybe there is something because she sure was getting a kick out of that, you know.
		Really eerie.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you, my friend.
		Take care.
		The day, the animals attacked from the high desert.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		Stan Friedman's coming up.
unidentified		The End
		Oh, hey, how are you?
		From the Kingdom of High, this is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell.
		Now, here again is Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am coming up at a moment of four time zones to the east of Asten Friedman, nuclear physicist and victim of a UPM television show that interviewed him, I think, and then sort of took his comments and simply interspersed them in a program he never got to see.
		We'll talk to him about that.
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		Three guys from Houston write, Aren't we heard there was an AP report that you were mentioned in the Lewinsky tapes.
		Is there any truth to this?
		No, none that I'm aware of.
		I have never known Monica, met Monica, nor the president.
		So there'd be no reason for my name to be mentioned.
		But this is how these kinds of things get started.
		Now, let us move east, way east, to actually, where are you located, Stan?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada, 73 miles east of the beautiful border town of Holton, Maine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Buried in snow, I'll tell you that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were far enough north, weren't you, that the great ice storm missed you?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's interesting.
		It hit towns at the southern edge of New Brunswick.
		There were lots of power outages.
		We had plenty of ice.
		We had plenty of storm.
		For the first time in 18 years that I've lived here, we had to have somebody shovel off the roof.
		There was three feet of snow over most of it.
unidentified		Wow.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And people worry about that.
		But we did not lose power.
		Over 400,000 people in Maine did.
		And of course, Quebec and Ontario had over a million.
		And the roads are rotten right now.
		Our street is one lane instead of two lanes wide.
		No place to put the snow.
		It's strange.
		El Nino has done its dirty work, I'll tell you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It really has, and it's clobbering California right now.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		You're getting rain, I suppose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're getting it here, actually.
		Yes, in the desert as well.
		And California.
		California is getting like 30-foot waves, and they're getting flooded.
		Heavy rain is forecast throughout the remainder of the week.
		Houses are beginning to slide down offhills, that kind of thing.
		Bad.
		Bad, bad, bad.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Can't win.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you give everybody a brief sketch of your background since I didn't happen to get it from you this time?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know you're a nuclear physicist.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Okay, quick rundown.
		Bachelor's and Master's in Physics from the University of Chicago in the mid-50s.
		Carl Sagan and I were classmates for three years.
		Then spent, I've had three careers, really.
		I've spent 14 years in industry working on a wide variety of very advanced, classified, eventually canceled research and development programs, things like nuclear airplanes, fission and fusion rockets.
		Worked on a nuclear rocket not too far from where you are, as a matter of fact, when I was with Westinghouse.
		Really?
		Yeah, you know, 90 miles from nowhere out of the nuclear test site there.
		I worked out of Pittsburgh, but we did our testing out in Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What went wrong with those things?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why didn't they work?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		No leadership.
		They did work.
		We successfully ground-tested nuclear rocket engines, power levels as high as 4,400 megawatts, which is twice the power of Grand Coulee Dam.
		But nobody had a plan for what to do with them, and the program was canceled.
		They'd have been great for going to Mars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, NASA just announced that all manned missions to Mars and the Moon have been canceled.
		And then the next day they came back, and Dan Golden said, no, we are still committed to manned missions to the moon and Mars.
		And today I got a call from Jim De La Toso who said the reason they canceled them, aside from financial, was they now have better systems of propulsion.
		And I wonder if it might be someone...
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		A nuclear rocket engine, which uses hydrogen heated to high velocity and kicked out the back end of the rocket, is, well, twice as efficient, let's say, as a chemical rocket.
		Better miles per gallon, if you will.
		Make a great upper stage.
		And, of course, I worked on nuclear fusion rockets as well.
		They would get us to the stars if you want to spend the dough and take the time and all the rest of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, as far as I knew, we had not achieved fusion yet, except instantaneously in the lab.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, we haven't achieved fusion in rockets.
		No, we have, yeah, H-bonds will do very nicely, thank you.
		They use nuclear fusion.
		And, of course, the sun uses nuclear fusion.
		And out when you're prospecting, you want to find out how much oil is in the ground.
		You can use a little accelerator.
		You put down a borehole and make neutrons with nuclear fusion.
		But, no, early 60s, we had a project going.
		It was paper study, if you will, to use nuclear fusion for very deep space travel.
		But again, there's no mission.
		Without the mission, nothing happens.
		So we know a lot about nuclear fusion.
		Just look up in the sky in the middle of the day.
		You'll see a lot of it going on.
		And the beauty of nuclear fusion is if you use the right stuff in the right way, you can kick particles out the back end of a fusion rocket that have 10 million times as much energy per particle as they can get in a dumb old chemical rocket.
		I mean, you talk miles per gallon.
		That's the way to go.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, look, everybody, just about everybody in my audience saw you on the UPN television network.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They had this story of the was it, the McKenzie family?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		McPherson.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		McPherson, thank you, family.
		That was abducted, the entire family abducted.
		It was a one-hour program, and it was obviously acted.
		In other words.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Because they listed 22 cast members.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but they said the 8-millimeter film was real.
		They brought an expert on and said, no, no, this couldn't be faked.
		This is real.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		He was one of the actors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was one of the actors.
		Oh, yeah.
		Well, you must have been, too.
		I mean, how did you get involved with this?
		What happened?
		I called you up.
		Of course, you said, no, I haven't even seen the show yet.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I get a call on December 31st about being interviewed for a show about UFO abductions in California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Okay, and they call me back the next day with all the arrangements.
		And on January 2nd, I caught a plane from Fredericton to Toronto, another one to Los Angeles, spent overnight, was interviewed for a little over an hour the next day, saw my daughter for three hours in L.A., caught a plane back.
		Now, I was asked questions by somebody who obviously was very knowledgeable about UFO abductions.
		She did ask me to include the question in the answer.
		That's a standard technique on television, of course, where the interviewer doesn't appear on camera.
		You know, so you have an entity, a total comment.
		I did not see the video, the infamous video.
		I was not asked about the infamous video.
		I was asked general questions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did they tell you you were being interviewed for?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, the show about abductions.
		What I was told, actually, was that Dick Clark Productions had this really in bad shape program.
		They were hired to make it okay, if you will.
		And remember now, the show was broadcast on the 20th.
		That's a very, very short interval, as you can imagine, for a network show that's committed.
		In other words, being advertised already, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I hadn't seen any of the ads.
		I knew that Devon Smith, whom I respect, was going to be on the show, that she had been interviewed.
		I met nobody else when I was there.
		The actual filming was done in Burbank in somebody's home being used as a studio.
		And, of course, the one outfit I heard mentioned was Dick Clark Productions.
		Now, Dick Clark's been around even longer than I have been around, as you know, and I'd never thought of them as particularly a sleeves bag outfit, after all.
		He hands out money with that McMahon, you know.
		Sure.
		So my feeling, there had been some quiet noise on the internet in the week or so earlier than that about a show that wasn't well defined at all.
		And the rumbling was, well, we respectable UFO people shouldn't go on such a show.
		We'll teach the producers that they have to treat us properly.
		And I responded on the Internet, this is before I accepted the chore, that, look, television is about money, it's about deadlines, it's not about truth.
		If the good guys don't go on, the bad guys will, and there's certainly no shortage of them in ufology.
		That is my viewpoint, that I've done a lot of television shows.
		You rarely, except when you're on absolutely live, and even then you don't get full control of anything.
		For that horrible alien autopsy program.
		Remember that one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You didn't like that, did you?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, I spent three days of my life.
		I was interviewed for three hours.
		They used, I would say, 30 seconds, not quite, of my interview.
		People acted.
		I got a lot of email as a result of this program as if the interviewee has all kinds of control, knows everything in advance.
		That's nonsense.
		Never happens that way.
		And even when you're live, I was on, I've been on loads of programs, but Nightline, for example, a very respectable program.
		The program was to be about the UFO cover-up, the Cosmic Watergate.
		I was on, to be on, with Philip Klass, who says there ain't none, if you will.
		I'm going in with my blacked-out government documents from the National Security Agency and the CIA.
		They would not allow me to bring those on camera, even though the show is about cover-up and these prove that there is one.
		I argued for several minutes, but you don't win.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did they say?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		They said it's not our policy.
		You can't bring anything on.
		You'd honestly think it was radio.
		I mean, with you, I can't hold the documents close to the phone and expect anybody to see them.
		But, you know, television has a camera.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can post stuff on the internet.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, this was 1987.
		It would have been, you know, that would have been a substitute, I suppose.
		But television, you expect you want visuals.
unidentified		Sure.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		So I've done a lot of programs in which, and that one was live.
		We were on, that was a strange program.
		Phil and I are sitting a foot away from each other.
		We can't look at each other.
		We each have to look at our own camera.
		I never saw Ted, not even, they had no monitor.
		I heard him over my ear.
		It might as well have been radio.
unidentified		I could have done it from home.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anyway, so you know.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		So I did this show.
		The questions, as I say, I was very impressed by the fact that the woman who interviewed me obviously knew a lot about the whole abduction business.
		And I was pleased about that, at least.
		You know, sometimes you get questions from people who know absolutely nothing.
		I don't need to tell you that.
		Television, as I say, isn't about truth.
		It's not about science.
		It's ratings and money.
		Yeah, money.
		That's what it's all about.
		So, and they didn't broadcast the show here in beautiful Fredericton, snow-covered Fredericton.
		Some people did send me tapes to Maine, and I watched it this weekend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, so you've seen it now when I talk to you.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		No, I've seen it right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You have not seen it.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't see it until late Saturday night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And your reaction when you did?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, it was a mixed reaction.
		The show was so corny, the video stuff.
		I mean, you know, clearly fictional as far as I was concerned.
		I've been involved in stuff about abductions for a long time.
		I met Betty and Barney Hill back in 1968.
		I was the first to publish about the StarMap work.
		My movie, UFOs Are Real, done in 79.
		Betty was in it.
		Travis Walton was in it.
		We interviewed him at his home in Snowflake, Arizona, with Mike Rogers.
		I spent a lot of time with abduction researchers such as Bud Hopkins, John Mack, John Carpenter.
		So I've been interested in abductions a long time.
		And clearly, that video was off the wall, if you will.
		I won't say a cheap production.
		I don't know what it costs, but not close to the mark when it comes to facts.
		I was watching to see how they cut my pieces.
		Obviously, they liked what I had to say and how I said it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Use a lot of you, yes.
unidentified		Yeah.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And I'm told, although I didn't see it, that they used me in their ads.
		The preceding week, there was my face.
		And, you know, as my literary agent once said, oh, yeah, people recognize you, Stan, mad scientist with the raised eyebrows.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, this show is going to air again, you know.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		That's what I heard, and that concerns me.
		So today, I called, couldn't on Sunday, no point.
		I called UPN, I called Dick Clark Productions, and I called the FCC to try to get a handle.
		Now, the FCC, you leave a message when you finally get to the Wright office, and they haven't called me back.
		De Clark Productions was very defensive, and supposedly somebody is calling me back.
		But, oh, we didn't give anybody the impression it was genuine.
		I brought up the Orson Welles business, War of the Worlds.
		You know, you scared a lot of people, but you didn't make clear what this was.
		And if you're going to run it again, don't you think there ought to be a little comment that says the UFO experts did not see the video before it was before they were interviewed?
		So the UPN called me back, and they tossed it back to Dick Clark Productions, but supposedly I'm going to get a letter with a copy to them expressing my concern.
		Well, I'm not going to give up that easy.
		I want to see what's going to happen.
		And, you know, yes, I signed a release.
		They could use my voice and face and, you know, throughout the universe, I think it said, as these things often do.
		You know, throughout the universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Universal rights throughout the known universe.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But there's a difference, you see.
		If you're using me to sell something which isn't what you say it is, then there's a little legal problem there.
		And I have no qualms about digging in and protesting.
		I have problems with some of the reactions of the, quote, UFO community, unquote.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What have they been saying?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, how could you?
		How could you?
		And then others were saying, well, we've known your work for a long time, and if I listen very carefully, I could tell that you weren't really talking about the video, although they linked it beautifully.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I could too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I could tell your comments were general abduction comments and not specific to what was on the screen.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what they were saying.
		And, you know, I understand that half the people who voted, although I don't know how legitimate the voting is, I understand you could push the yes button over and over again to say it was real, that half thought it was real.
		And, you know, if you weren't watching carefully and didn't really catch the credits, and some people told me that their stations had a split screen at the end with the news advertising, you know, tune in two minutes for the news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the credits were small anyway.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, and went by rapidly.
		And so I could see where you didn't see that.
		And, okay, it wasn't an educational show, especially, except, I thought, for the comments made by Yvonne and myself.
		And, frankly, one of the things I liked about the show, people said I hurt the UFO community.
		Well, certainly Dr. Michael Shermer, the skeptic on the show, didn't come off very well at all.
		His comments seemed to be not appropriate of anything.
		It didn't appear that he knew anything about the subject, which is standard par for the course for debunkers.
		You know, one of the rules is don't bother me with the facts.
		My mind's made up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, show class.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and so, you know, I think it helped us on that score.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And my interesting comment, I guess, to me was that nobody, not one person who was protesting, complained about what I said or how I said it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, and they wouldn't.
		They wouldn't.
		What you said was just fine.
		And on any other show, it would have fit right in and would have sounded absolutely proper, but with fuse boxes exploding.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and the battery melting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And all of that stuff.
		Look, they said this was 8-millimeter film.
		Was it?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure it wasn't.
		Look, it was totally a manufactured production.
		I guess a similar version had been around for some time.
		I have to ask, though, okay, suppose somebody else had been on.
		Forget the UFO community.
		That's a small percentage of the world.
		There were probably, what, 3 to 5 million viewers anyway.
		I don't know what the ratings were, so I can't say.
		Would we all be better off if somebody less well-equipped, if one of the phonies that are out there, for example, had been on the show instead, and as an expert said things that weren't true?
		And boy, that happens a lot, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it does.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		You've had people on who you know afterward, hey, that's not true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		You know, you remember, dare I mention Heaven's Gate and all that stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You dare, sure.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Courtney Brown, Professor Courtney Brown.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Dear old Courtney Brown.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And if you want to panic people, that was the kind of thing to panic people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Court Courtney has faded into the background, and you don't hear much about Courtney anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what he's doing.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I think he still has his job, probably.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he had deep tenure.
		There's no question about that.
		All right.
		Hold on, Sen.
		We'll be right back to you.
		Sen Friedman is my guest.
		He's a nuclear physicist, and he was on that abduction show that so many of us saw.
		Yeah, so do I. We'll be right back.
unidentified		I'm going to lie to you, but I have found I have been on this hair of what I am I'm going to lie to you Oh, it's clear to me now.
		My heart is mine.
		My heart is mine.
		This is Coast to Coast AM from the Kingdom of Nigh.
		Now, once again, here's Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		Good morning, everybody.
		Stat Friedman is my guest.
		He is a nuclear physicist who was recently commenting on abductions for UPS.
		And I don't think he's too happy about his part, Matt.
		He's contacted the FCC and the Dick Clark Productions.
		And we'll see what happens on the rerun, whether there's any disclaimers or not.
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		Back to Santon Friedman.
		Stanton, what is going on now in the world of ufology?
		Where are we?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, one thing that's happening to me, and I'm pleased to announce it to your audience, Art, is that because of the problems of not having control of anything when you do television, you sign releases.
		Often the program doesn't get released for a long time.
		You don't know how you're going to be used.
		I'm going to be a producer of all things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Of a television documentary for a network show, unspecified at the moment, being done by White Wolf Pictures in Minneapolis.
		They've done a lot of nature stuff for PBS.
		And I will have full control as producer.
		I won't be executive producer.
		They're the guys who worry about the money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		But I'm going to be out there, what, the 18th, I guess, of February.
		We're going to be going over.
		I'll spend three days talking to them, and we'll be, you know, setting down the basic parameters of what we want to say.
		One of the problems, you know, people can complain about this UPN show, and I'm not blaming them for complaining.
		It was an insult to our intelligence in many ways.
		But certainly the very same night, there was another show on television on a different network about UFOs, which had Bob Lazar.
		They were claiming he was a nuclear physicist.
		He isn't.
		They had Frank Kaufman on.
		They said he was a sergeant at Roswell in 1947 and a member of a secret group of nine.
		He can talk about the saucer he saw.
		Of course, he wasn't a sergeant.
		He got out in October of 45.
		Loads of other shows in which there is false information.
		I mean, you know, the ultimate is the United States Air Force has been lying.
		One of the things I'll send anybody who sends me a self-address stamp, number 10 envelope to my post office box in beautiful Holton, Maine, post office box 958 Holton 04730-0958, is a five-page review of the Air Force's fourth explanation for Roswell.
		You know, the crash test demi-volume, the Roswell report case closed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Colonel Haynes' time compression.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, yeah, yes, that Colonel Haynes is another Haynes who wrote for the CIA with false information.
		And, you know, I resent being lied about in the first place, but I resent the fact that the public paid for Captain McAndrew's time and for publishing the report.
		They paid for the really monstrous report, almost 1,000 pages, from Colonel Weaver, the disinformation specialist.
		We're talking big bucks here, massive misrepresentation.
		That seems to get by.
		So what I want to do in the show is actually document things.
		You know, I thought that's what documentaries were supposed to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So how are you going to set about to do it?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're going to deal with the large-scale scientific studies.
		We will prove that there's a cosmic watergate.
		I'll show the documents that Darrell said Capo wouldn't let me show.
		We'll tell the story on we'll probably use some of the footage of a nuclear rocket in operation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Undoubtedly, well, I know where it is.
		I'll undoubtedly show the kind of accelerations people can withstand, contrary to the opinions of the noisy negativists.
		We'll make sure people know what's been going on.
		I did a show in England on June 27th, three days after the crash test dummies, the time travelers, were announced.
		It was called Strange But True.
		There were three of us on the good guys versus three bad guys, if you will.
		It was set up as a debate.
		It wasn't.
		It was clips and live interviews.
		There were debunkers at the studio and so forth.
		All during the show, this illustrates the major impact, the Fed Air Force explanation.
		All during the show, you could call one number to say yes and another one no to the question, do you think aliens have visited Earth?
		Now, 100,000 people registered their votes.
		This was on the Independent Television Network all over England.
		92% said yes.
		That's an overwhelming kind of number, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		More support than our president is.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yes, just a bit more.
		Just a bit more.
		And apparently the public is, let us say, far readier to accept the notion of flying saucers as alien visitors than they are the president.
		But that's not surprising, I suppose.
		The facts are clearer, I think.
		We don't know.
		We know less about what the president did.
		So we will be looking at the hard information, and we will check out anybody who's on.
		As I'm sure you're aware, I've been involved.
		I've been attacked by the, quote, some members of the UFO community for exposing frauds, which, you know, shoot the messenger, after all.
		And to use Ronald Reagan's great line, trust but verify, I understand it's a Russian proverb, but I don't speak Russian, so I want to gorbage those lines.
		But we will check people out.
		And for too long, there have been frauds and ufology.
		I mean, there's the Air Force on the one side with their lies.
		And I have challenged them to a debate.
		No response, of course.
		But wouldn't it be great to have a debate with, say, Dr. Bruce McAbee and I on one side and Colonel Weaver and Captain McAndrew on the other?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, wouldn't that be great?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Hey, you can moderate.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		We'll let you moderate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would love to.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		They don't have guts enough, frankly, and I'll challenge them right here and now.
		But stop the lies, gentlemen.
		I mean, I'm lied about, and I resent it very much.
		And I resent it more than the UPN kind of thing.
		We've had loads of those.
		And, you know, if they had said at the beginning of the show that the four experts were interviewed without their having seen the video that's the focus of this show or some words, you know, a disclaimer of some sort.
		But I don't like being misused.
		I'm not handsome, but apparently my face is well known in ufology.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It absolutely is.
		And you were certainly misused.
		There's no question about that.
		And I, in your place, would be very angry.
		I take it.
		You've been getting lots of heat about it all.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, email and faxes and telephone calls.
		And I will say this.
		People were, as soon as I explained that I hadn't seen the video, I wasn't asked about the video.
		I didn't know what context was going to be used.
		I did get a chance to see my daughter.
		You know, people were very understanding.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, those are the ones you can get back to, but as you pointed out, millions of people saw the program.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it'll be, I don't know what the ratings were, and we will see whether they act responsibly.
		I'm not going to give up waiting for a letter from UPN or letting Dick Clark Productions off the hook.
		I mean, each says it's the other's responsibility.
		One of the things that concerns me, and maybe your listeners can help a little bit here, is that how was it presented in the TV sections of the newspapers and TV guides?
		We didn't have it here, so I don't know, but some people tell me that it was listed under documentaries.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		As opposed to under, you know, movies.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Entertainments, whatever.
unidentified		Yeah.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And that I object to.
		Now, I had people complaining to me that that woman who, that abductee, wow, I sure couldn't stand her.
		Well, she was an actress.
		You know, sorry.
		I wish it wasn't so, but it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So were the little aliens.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		So were the aliens.
		They were listed as alien one and alien two in the credits.
		So was the sheriff.
		So was the news reporter.
		And, you know, there's a fine line between fraud and fiction, I guess.
		It'll be interesting to see what they say about it.
		But, you know, look, here we are talking about it.
		Lots of other people talking about it.
		And I personally believe that a lot of people watching probably learned something from Yvonne Smith's comments, from my comments.
unidentified		Sure.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		They probably learned, raised an eyebrow at the comments of the skeptic.
		Maybe that's good, you know.
		So, you know, a baseball player gets, what, $5 million a year if he gets a hit a third of the time.
		Third of the time.
unidentified		That's right.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Was this thing a hit?
		No, not even a third of the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was, I think it was widely seen.
		The night of its airing, I really was unable to talk about anything else.
		That's all people wanted to talk about.
unidentified		Really?
		Yeah.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it was widely seen.
		There's no question about that.
		And people were really angry.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Angry or scared or both?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Well, a few scared, most angry, because, you know, I've got a fairly educated audience in the field of ufology.
		That's for sure.
		And they were insulted.
		They were insulted.
		On the one hand, it was said to be 8-millimeter home Film, and on the other, we've got credits at the end showing the whole thing was acted, and we've got a presentation that suggests that it's a real presentation.
		Oh, yes, I understand the Sheriff's Department up in Lake County, Minnesota, got loads of calls and knew nothing about this family.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Incidentally.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, even green grass in Minnesota in November, forget it.
		You won't see any here either.
		But, so, you know, yeah, it was a bad deal.
		Could have been worse, believe it or not.
		That's why I want to do this, my documentary, and where it'll be clear what's going on and that the phonies need not apply for space on the air.
		We are looking, though.
		I'm always looking for new witnesses, Roswell, crash saucers, all the rest.
		One of the things that I found after the crash test dummies was that there were a lot of Air Force people who were upset.
		They were insulted by that explanation.
		As a matter of fact, I talked to Colonel Madsen.
		He was one of the leaders of the project about dropping the crash test dummies from balloons, from ejection seats, and so forth.
		I'd seen a little blurb in a newspaper article, so I called him and visited with him when I was down there.
		I made five trips to New Mexico this past year.
		There's a place called Roswell, where something strange happened 50 years ago that I was the first to, as a civilian, to investigate.
		Anyway, I talked to him, and he was adamant.
		Even though his picture's in the book, this is the book, Roswell Report Case Closed, and a five-page review to all your listeners who send me that self-addressed stamp envelope.
		He was adamant on a couple of different levels.
		One was he pointed out that the crash test dummies had to be the same size and weight as real pilots.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Otherwise, the tests were meaningless.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And the picture shows the crash test dummy actually being a little taller than he was.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was about six feet.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it was the size of a pilot.
		Second thing, very interesting, he and his wife, before they were married, had been in the cities, independently heard that bodies, alien bodies, had been brought into the base years earlier.
		He also pointed out something that gets to what guys would tell their wives and all that stuff.
		He had a job rating which was lousy, and it was because his boss didn't know what he was doing.
		He was working on something related to the U-2 project, and it was his boss's boss who corrected the rating because he knew what was going on.
		So it illustrates security.
		And if you talk to people who've had clearances, they understand that need to know.
		In other words, some people act as if you tell everybody and hope they won't talk.
		Well, you tell them next week I'll be in Washington, D.C. at the Archives, too, looking through newly declassified materials.
		And it'll be interesting, you know, to see what I see.
		People don't realize how much it's in old stuff.
		They think it's all declassified, you know, after 20 years, 30 years, whatever.
unidentified		It's not true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How really good is the Roswell case?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, if you talk about the real Roswell case, as described, for example, in my book, Crash at Corona, it's very damn good, if you will.
		If you talk about some of the nonsense that's been put out since, it's terrible.
		People who had telling his story to the National Enquirer nonsense.
		Or going to a reunion on Showtime.
		At least half of it was right.
		But half of it was wrong, too, for, what's the term, dramatic license?
unidentified		Yes, yes.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		You know, it was even shot in Arizona instead of New Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's all right.
		Prump was destroyed.
		It was shot in Arizona as well in Mars attacks, you recall.
unidentified		So Prump destroyed.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		You know what I'm saying?
		That there is the fictional account.
		I just read something on the internet again.
		Somebody was quoting Sarah McClendon, you know, the reporter, Mr. President, Mr. President.
		That's the name of her book.
		She apparently had about less than a page about Roswell.
		And she was working in Washington at the time.
		Tony, she has the Kenneth Arnold sighting happening, and because of that, the rancher are reporting something that had happened a month earlier.
unidentified		Total garbage.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you separate reality from fiction with regard, for example, to the Showtime production?
		What part of it was real?
		What part of it was dramatic?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of it was dramatic.
		For example, there was no reunion that Jesse went to.
		He wasn't trying to vindicate himself.
		He never indicated that he was angry and upset and dismayed because of how he'd been treated.
		He was a career military officer.
		Boss tells you to not say anything.
		You don't say anything.
		They put out a phony explanation.
		That's the way the world works.
		He went on about his job.
		There were a number of things in there.
		The mysterious person, I can't even remember his name in the show, you know, the insider who's trying to help out.
		None of that happened.
		And, you know, they almost tabloidized the story in some ways, and it wasn't a tabloid story.
		That fits with the Air Force saying that the story came to light in 1978 when the National Inquiry Committee went to them.
		Well, the interview was carried in 1980.
		He didn't go to them at all.
		I referred the reporter who did an excellent job, Bob Pratt, been writing good UFO stories for years at that time, panel that the inquirer had.
		I mean, he helped on the committee.
		But it was 1980 after Bill Moore and I had talked to Breshwell.
		And he never sought attention himself at all.
		So there were a lot of details that were played for drama, if you will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think you know that did happen?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, as far as I'm concerned, there's no question about certain parts of the story.
		For example, Ranger stumbled across the material after a big storm on the night of July 2nd.
		On the 3rd, he stumbled across all this amount of material.
		Now, the Air Force Counterintelligence Corps guy says, oh, yes, I remember.
		He suddenly has a new memory area, 20 feet square, would easily fit in one vehicle.
		It was just a weather balloon.
		I thought so at the time.
		Well, hogwash.
		If that's what it had been, the rancher would have driven it into town, collected his reward, and gone on about his business.
		The strange stuff, that foil-like material, the I-beam-like pieces, they're very strong and perhaps 100, 200 feet wide.
		The sheep wouldn't cross it.
		There was no way he could get that in his truck.
		There would have been nothing to go back to if Colonel Cavet retired.
		Nice mention was correct.
		So he found this wreckage.
		He showed some to the neighbor.
		The neighbor's still alive, after all.
		Mac Basil's son is still alive.
		I was with him in April.
		Talked to a lot of the key witnesses.
		One of them has died since, as a matter of fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the bodies?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was nothing said about bodies then.
		That was later.
		And if you believe the MJ tweet in Seek Magic, the bodies were a couple miles away.
		So the rancher didn't see them.
		I first heard about bodies was when I spoke with friends, I guess is the simplest way to put it, of Barney Barnett, the civil engineer who discovered other wreckage out in the plains of San Augustine, 160 or so miles away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hear, hear, where the actual craft was, not just...
		Yeah, you buy that.
		In other words, you buy the second part of the story of the craft.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		It was in the material in the military, and his boss said, look, if you're so interested in this stuff, the guy you ought to talk to is this guy.
		And he wrote down a name and address.
		It was Barney Barnett in Socorro, New Mexico.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Socorro.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		When Bill went out to Arizona, for other reasons, he made a boss, but only talked to him after he had shown his military credentials.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Sin.
unidentified		Hold on.
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		We're going to break here once again.
		We're talking now about what did occur at Roswell, and we're going to talk a bit about Cosmic Watergate as well.
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		Friedman, Stan, we were talking about Roswell and what was real about Roswell.
		Have you read the Philip J. Corso book?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I have, of course.
unidentified		I've met Corso and Bill Burton.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I make a fairly negative response.
		I mean, first, as a physicist, I'm offended by no references to anything, some inconsistencies from place to place.
		Second, the checking I've done hasn't given me a lot of faith in things.
		For example, on a radio program, not yours, I asked Colonel Corso, I said, how is it that you know the exact date, July 6th, when you saw that body at Fort Missouri?
		Well, I know when I was transferred to Fort Riley.
		Well, that was March or April.
		I think we were members of the control group, the Majestic 12 group.
		Well, we had about a dozen boards connected with the National Security Council at that time.
		Well, this wasn't a group that met Thursdays for lunch.
		I think he got it from my book, or Burns did.
		When he was in Italy, according to two Italian researchers, they told me this in Brazil.
		It's been a busy year.
		He spent, I don't know, 10 days over there.
		He told them that he'd been in trouble.
		He was mixed up with missile battalions.
		I checked with Sandia, both the military and the lab side.
		Ain't listed there.
		You know, Wilbur Smith, the Canadian.
		Wilbur died of a brain tumor in the early 60s.
		Wilbur was at the Department of Transport.
		He wasn't in the military.
		How could that be, in other words?
		And there were a number of other claims being made that, you know, what's the basis?
		Also, the whole book is predicated, basically, on the notion that Corsault wound up saving the world single-handedly.
		It almost says that in the language.
		But not until after he got involved, which was 1961.
		And frankly, what happened between?
		The people who were members of that control group weren't do-nothing type people.
		They were exactly the opposite.
		So I accept the basic notion, and I even talk about it in my book, Top Secret Magic, that what he says, that you would sort of slip it into industries.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		It's a simple thing to do.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		He gives some people new things to work with.
		Let them think it's a Russian stuff.
		That part I don't object to.
		But the absence of any activity from 47 to 61, also, he claims he was head of the foreign technology group of the Army under General Trudeau.
		He set a roster from the Army archives of all the people under Trudeau.
		It's, I don't know, four pages long.
		There were only two people in the foreign technology group.
		He was the junior officer.
		The senior officer, unfortunately, just died within the last several months.
		Never had a chance to talk to him.
		He was ill in the hospital and so forth.
		But there were two people in the group, and he was the junior officer.
		So it seemed he ended his role in whatever he did.
		And so I'm still, it's in my gray basket at best.
		A lot of deception.
		I think it was an exploitation book.
		That's about the best I can say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, if there really was a crash at Roswell and a recovery of a Kraft and Buckley, some...
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, of course.
		Of course.
		No question about it.
		Now, remember, some people have acted as if what that means is you take the piece from the saucer and you file it with the blueprints in the right place, and that tells somebody how to make it.
		You certainly wouldn't do that.
		There wouldn't be any blueprints there, and you wouldn't be able to duplicate it that way.
		What you would do is find the best people working in that particular area.
		Let's say metallurgy, let's say it's a new device, and you know what it does, but maybe it might help them in what they're doing.
		And, you know, the thing that makes a particular research objective more likely to be achieved is knowing that what you're trying to achieve can be done.
		The Soviet atomic bomb, for example, he knew you could build an atomic bomb.
		The U.S. had exploded five times.
		But Hitler didn't know you could build one, so he spent very little money.
		He knew you could build rockets.
		And by the end of the war, you know, give it another six months, he'd have had something stronger than the rocket.
		He could hand out pieces of stuff that gives people new directions to look, new things to try.
		But it doesn't, you know, first you have to figure out how something works.
		Then you try to duplicate it, and then you have to do it economically.
		In other words, if you find a super special high-strength metal that only costs you $5,000 a pound to make, you don't make automobiles out of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That brings us to some of the stuff that was sent to me, you know, this bismuth magnesium stuff.
		Nobody, as you know, has picked it.
		They can't grow it.
		They can't reproduce it at all.
		And it remains, by the way, to this day, very much a mystery.
		As you know, Linda Howell has really gone to work on this.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		And, you know, the one kicker you need to think is, is it something from a highly classified military project?
		Now, when I say the cost is important, it's important for cars.
		But if it's part of a laser weapon system or a nuclear weapon system, A, the general world would never know about it, and B, cost doesn't really matter.
		So that's one of the kickers that anything new and really different, and certainly bismuth and magnesium is different, if it were part of a military thing, you'd never know about it.
		You know, you'd have no reference point.
		But the reasons you prove something is extraterrestrial.
		Not so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not so.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean, look at all the, look at superconductors.
		They're weird materials.
		Yttrium, barium, strontium oxides with copper.
		I mean, it's crazy.
		But all those elements are from here.
		And look at today's micro-integrated circuits.
		You know, the Pentium business, that whole thing.
		If you took some of this stuff 50 years ago, you couldn't analyze it.
		You certainly couldn't duplicate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would be magic.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		That's what Arthur Clark said.
		Advanced technology is, by definition, magic.
		And then when you throw into the pot the intentional government deception, now you know that, for example, Strom Thurmond withdrew his introduction to Corso's book, saying it was for another book.
		And of course, Corso and Burns are suing each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then he was kind of tricked into it the way you were that TV show.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I was buying oranges and you gaming apples kind of thing.
		And so aside, the real story doesn't depend on Colonel Corso's book.
		There have been other rip-off books.
		There are three negative books that I've read.
		And your buddy Cal Corf's book, the less said the better.
		And I have specific false claims that were made in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Does Cal Korf go after you as well?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's trying to butter me up lately.
		I've known him for a long time when he was just a high school kid in California there.
		And so he's trying, on the one hand, to say, hey, it's okay.
		It's all right.
		We'll work together.
		But when I find some of the things that are in his book, I almost laugh.
		For example, one of my great major discoveries, if you will, about MJ-12 was that Dr. Donald Howard Menzel, Harvard University astronomer, UFO debunker, how could he be part of a highly classified group and so forth?
		Was that he had a long history of a double life?
		He worked with the NSA, continuous connection with the NSA 30 years as of 1960 of anybody in the country and its Navy predecessor.
		Well, Carol says, look, I had access about Menzel.
		Now, he never mentions NSA.
		He talks about the CIA.
		Yeah, he was connected with the CIA.
		Well, my whole focus was on the NSA.
		And I've got copies of Menzel's contracts with them.
		There was a patent dispute.
		There were other things going on.
		And no question, that's true.
		He was with the NSA.
		He talks about a book on question documents.
		Osborne's book published in 1960, MJ-12 Documents, is the Truman Signature on a memo from 1947 establishing MJ-12.
		76.
		No, you can't have similar signatures.
		Well, the book was published before 1910.
		I had already published this little piece of information.
		Phil Klass had come up with the 76 number.
		And it says two sentences away from a quote by these guys that you can have identical signatures, just not consecutive ones.
		I mean, Harry Truman signed his name a lot.
		As a matter of fact, it's something he wrote after that 48 victory.
		Remember the Dewey victory over Truman, according to Chicago?
		Oh, yes, of course.
		He wrote somebody in the family that he was signing his name 500 times.
		You want to bet there aren't some, quote, identical signatures there?
		And there were a bunch of other things.
		He attacks Marcel, one of the key witnesses here.
		And if you check carefully, the attack is unsubstantiated.
		It's wrong.
		If you look at the very records that are supposed to show that he was a malfeasant, a liar, an exaggerator, well, that's not the way it was.
		Does he want that?
		And he was.
		The record proves it.
		So, you know, slots, it's one of the difficulties.
		How does the layperson, interested in UFOs, everybody seems to be.
		I mean, look at men and women, you know, Independence Day and so forth.
		How does he sort through the good from the bad?
		And that's the distressing things about the UPN show.
		It didn't give a true picture of the abduction situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was recently something that came down in Greenland, not all that far from you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Something big.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I looked at the original reports, and I haven't seen anything since.
		And some guy was saying it was a nuclear blast.
		Come down, bolides come down, daytime meteors, if you will.
		I don't know.
		And, you know, it's not an easy place to find something in the middle of winter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		You couldn't find anything around here with all this snow on the ground, no less Greenland.
		And we have a reasonable number of stuff going on.
		There's a man, Lucius Farish, in Arkansas, who puts out 20 pages a month, legal size, of clippings of mostly UFO sightings every month.
		So there's stuff going on all the time.
		Lucius address and so forth, he's one of the old-timers in the field and does a good job.
		It'd be on the free list of materials that people get if they send me the self-address stamped envelope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, give us that address again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Number 10 envelope, folks.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, makes life eight pages of information and it's hard to fold and fit in a small envelope, believe me.
		Stan Friedman or UFO, post office box 958, Holton, H-O-U-L-T-O-N, Maine, which is M-E 04730-0958,
		and you'll get a five-page specials, special prices on my CD-ROM, my videos, my books, and another page that has the addresses of MuFun and Mr. Farish, and a bookstore, Arcturus Books, that sells UFO stuff.
		In many cases, you can't get any looking for it, and it's great to have someplace where you can go for it.
unidentified		Meet mythology with reality.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, it's like that Michael Wolf stuff got attacked for the UPN thing.
		Now, some people predictably said, well, how could you do anything that had the same guy involved who was involved in the alien autopsy fiasco?
		They mentioned his name, and I won't on the air, but I wasn't involved.
		And if I had had heard his name, I would never have gone to California because of the lousy show.
		You know, you get attacked for the wrong things.
		But there are people claiming degrees they don't have, connections they don't have, experiences they didn't have.
		And I resent that a great deal.
		That's why when I talk about being a producer, it's not just a fancy title for this documentary for the fall with the light star pictures.
		You've got how many hours a night to fill art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Five.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Five hours.
		You know, that's 25 hours a week of people.
		That's an awful lot of pictures to write a book, and it took me a long time to write Top Secret Magic.
		Then you obligation to do that.
		That's why I'm so disappointed in so many television programs that they know it's an exciting subject.
		They know people are interested, so they find somebody to talk.
		Good, bad, and different, it really doesn't matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Sam, how hard would it be to make an atomic bomb?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, interesting.
		The theory is basically straightforward if you've got it.
		Difficulty comes and two ends.
		And it's not fully appreciated that one of the key things of the atomic bomb, for example, was learning to machine explosives, pieces of explosives around pieces of fissionable Material, each of them less than a critical mass.
		If you push them together, explosives have to be machined very carefully.
		That's not a job I would want.
		Secondly, the hardest part is to get the fissionable material.
unidentified		Natural uranium, you're not going to make a bomb out of.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		You've got to get uranium-235 very highly enriched.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bomb grade.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, ain't easy to do that.
		Or you can make plutonium.
		Sounds simple.
		You don't buy it at the corner store.
		You've got to build a big reactor and convert some uranium.
		That's where the problem came.
		And until recently, where there might be Soviet fissionable materials on the market, so to speak, black market, I guess I'd say, knowing what to do is one thing.
		But having the industrial know-how, the building in which U-235 was separated during World War II is a mile long.
		They had to develop these nickel with the little holes in it, you know, and pumps for uranium hexafluoride.
		At one time, they were using 11% of the electricity of the United States to pump all that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good lord.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		You know, so what I'm saying is the basic idea is straightforward.
		Putting it to practice is not.
		And that's what's kept down the proliferation of nuclear weapons.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we hear now that there are 100 Soviet Russian solutions.
unidentified		Is that possible?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can certainly build one that's small.
		It's kind of heavy.
		Uranium is heavier than gold, as a matter of fact.
		But it's a pickup shell, which gives you an idea that doesn't need to be very big.
		Now, that's not a big H-bomb now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, Stan.
		Where's the bottom there?
		We'll be right back.
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		Sam, welcome back.
		If you had the facilities, and I assume it wouldn't take a building a mile long anymore to take this.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Probably not.
		I'd need a lot of help.
		I mean, if you had the components, that's one thing.
		It's very sophisticated kind of stuff, not only with your technicians, but being able to measure stuff.
		You need instruments for monitoring radiation levels.
		Again, the machining of the parts, you can put it anywhere as near together.
		There's always the danger, you know, one of these things going off prematurely.
		You don't get a big blast, but you get enough to kill anybody standing by.
		So build it in your bed.
		Here's a kid at Princeton or something who said he could do that.
		Well, you know, if you add Enough stuff along on the outside, on the perimeter, so to speak, enough other people doing enough things.
		But getting the fashionable material, that's why all the enriched isotopes of uranium, plutonium, these are called accountable materials.
		You keep track of them by the gram.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We've got a lot of them missing by the pound.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, frankly, if you were to ask what's the biggest threat to mankind in the world today, I would without hesitation say all that nuclear material around the Soviet Union and the guys who are guarding it not getting paid.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Because now, suddenly, you have a way for your crazies, if you will, to try to get access where they wouldn't have to take this large industrial development.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You wouldn't even have to really cause sufficientable material, bomb grade certainly, to explode.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You could put it, surround it with dynamite and just blow it away.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, how much poisoning you're going to get.
		There are all kinds of things that are pretty dangerous if you know how to deliver them.
		And frankly, some of the biological stuff that Saddam is supposed to have and that others have been working on is equal to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If he were to use biological or chemical, we would answer with nuclear.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, I would expect so.
		Nuclear destroys things, biological and chemical.
		Does he deliver the biological so well that you don't have time?
		You know, you'll hear stories about plutonium, that most deadly substance known to man.
		Much worse, you know, a drop on the skin will kill you kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, and biologicals, of course, amplify literally have something that would go around the world and just more or less clean our slate.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the biological stuff is particularly scary.
		I mean, one thing about nuclear materials, they're heavy, they're dense, they don't float around in the air, you know.
		It's when a train goes off the track, they evacuate a whole area.
		It's because the materials involved are volatile.
		They can spread around real quick.
		Well, nuclear materials really don't spread around.
		They're too heavy.
		So, you know, I worry less about them.
		And I think the world is going to be moving more toward nuclear power, for example, because of all the concerns with the environment.
		You know, the greenhouse effect and stuff like that.
		Well, when you have a fusion efficient reactor, you don't produce carbon dioxide, and you don't dump an awful lot of bad stuff out there, you know.
		So we live in a changing time.
		I'm anxious to see the next century, not just because it'll mean I've reached that age, but things are happening and changing and different.
		I mean, look, if six months ago you and I had been talking about Asia and economics, would either of us have predicted what's been happening over there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I mean, everything looks solid.
		That was the place to be in the world.
		You know, all the good stuff going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And a lot of friends lost a lot of money in that.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I'll bet they did.
		And it's affected Canada, of course, because we have a lot of people from Hong Kong who've come to Vancouver and other parts of the country bringing their money.
		And a lot of students from over there, well, they're not coming to where the money is high.
		The Canadian dollar is fairly low compared to the U.S. dollar, but it's sure been a lot better than the Asian currencies.
		And so unpredictable things happen.
		This El Nino business, those ice storms in Quebec and Ontario, Maine, northern New York, there hasn't been anything like them since we've had electricity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know it.
		There's a lot of strange things going on.
		For example, in the Antarctic now, I find a large chunk of an ice shelf in Antarctica is melting at such a rate that in two years, a 12,000 square mile area will have simply disappeared, gone.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		That's scary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		This is the second ice field to be going, and it indicates a larger change underway, I think, with the weather worldwide.
		I mean, something really is going on, Stan.
		Something is changing.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, people say, so what difference does it make?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, if the water level rises and you live near the coast, it makes a heck of a difference.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're finding that out in California right now.
unidentified		Yeah, how big are the waves?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I saw a picture in the paper that Gary, I lived out here.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I never saw waves like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		30 feet, Stan.
		East of the Rockies, you're on there with Sentin Friedman.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Sentinel.
		I have a question about the American computer company, Jack Schulman, and his confrontation with Bell Labs and AT ⁇ T about the origin of the transistor.
		Do you have anything to add about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, of course, the trans-capacitor, they're calling it.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, I've talked to Jack a couple times on the phone, little stuff going back and forth.
		That is all in what I call my gray basket.
		I don't know what to make of that, and I guess I'm glad that nobody seems to bring up the fact that in Top Secret Magic, my book about Operation Majestic 12, I suggest that one possibility of new technology derived from alien artifacts, if you will, is the transistor, Bell Labs transistor.
		And nobody brings up the fact that I suggested that before the Corsa book came.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is something strange going on with the transistor, I'm telling you.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's the point that I made, was that, you know, the official birth date of the transistor is December 23rd, 1947.
		What is strangest to me is that, not that Bell Labs was doing any work on it, they were the outstanding electronics lab in the world, no question about that.
		And if you had pieces of wreckage that looked like they might relate to instrumentation control systems, that sort of thing, that'd be the place that you send them.
		They did a lot of classified work.
		But what was strange is that there were three top scientists already well established working on what is basically a tiny little device.
		Normally you'd expect a senior scientist and a junior one, and they'd publish a paper, and then others would get into the act.
		Here you got three top-notch guys, and I am not saying they were top-notch because they later got a Nobel Prize for the transistor.
		But if you look at their publishing record as scientists, they were major wheels, if you will.
		Why do you put three guys on a little device unless you have reason to believe that they can figure out what the heck is going on here?
		They're going to find out something that's out of this world.
		So I suggested that as an example of something, Bell Labs in Sandia, Nuclear Weapons Lab in New Mexico, where probably some of the wreckage went, were closely connected.
		AT ⁇ T actually ran Sandia for many years.
		And so Schumann's stuff, and I got a little disgusted at some of the flagrant attacks on other people in all directions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would say it was vicious.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I'm staying out of that.
		I mean, I mean, who's got time for that kind of stuff?
		And, you know, I'm waiting to see the so-called notebook.
		It wouldn't surprise me if, indeed, the transistor was stimulated to the nth degree, if you will, by knowledge of alien artifacts.
		But I'd sure like to see the evidence as opposed to the claims.
		It's easy to make claims.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm talking to Howe, who went to see the sample that was supposed to be on display from Bell Labs of the transistor.
		And interestingly, she says that display was empty.
		Asked a guard, where is it?
		Don't know.
		It was empty.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I'll be doing.
		Well, I'm not surprised.
		And the kicker, though, some people are saying this would have been illegal and so forth.
		I don't understand that.
		How could you patent it and so forth?
		Look, if it's unique, and if it resulted from study of a strange artifact, it's still a new and patentable device.
		The alien's going to say, hey, we invented it first.
		Come on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On this planet, certainly.
unidentified		Yeah.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And so it is standard practice.
		People tend to forget this.
		Technology.
		Alien technology.
		You try to back engineer it.
		When a British plane would be shot down over Germany, the Germans would grab the wreckage and learn what they could from it.
		We did the same in England.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we've had Russian pilots fly MiGs in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We back-engineer those and hand them back.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And the thing is, back-engineering is more than just, well, let's see.
		I'll look at it.
		Oh, yeah, I can make one like that.
		You measure tolerances.
		You see how they solve little problems.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interestingly, though, I saw a program the other day on the Concorde stand.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, of course, the French developed the Concorde, and the Russians copied the Concord.
		It was called the Concordski or something like that.
		And they did not successfully.
		Even the blueprints in front of them that they had spirited out of France, they couldn't get it right.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I'm not surprised at that.
		And, you know, one thing they did do well, they sort of copied a B-29 after the war.
		National Security Council meetings in the late 40s, in early 50s, were very concerned because here they were flying all these bombers that were, you know, Chinese copies.
		They had a B-29.
		Very advanced technology.
		And, you know, it's easy to say, well, let me see, here's an engine.
		Yeah, I can make one like that.
		Well, it takes materials that can stand high temperature, for example.
		How do you make those to tight tolerances?
		The old joke used to be army equipment cost you a buck a pound and air force equipment cost you 50 bucks a pound.
		Because stuff that, you know, is in our life that is quite remarkable by yesterday's standards.
		I got a computer on my desk that people would have killed before.
		You know, what, 10 years ago?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Now we're on the edge of the Pentium-2333 megahertz processor.
		Speeds are doubling every 18 months.
		Storage.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		make Pentium chips in them how much I mean we're talking hundreds of millions of dollars funny is you know you grind them out and we take it for granted and for under $1,500 you get a splendid computer but before that happens somebody has to invent have invested an enormous amount of energy effort money smart people doing things we tend to forget what lies behind that simple little it's just a computer you know whatever
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, I'm anxious to see how it turns out, but I don't like the level of rhetoric, the nastiness, the we've got it but we can't show it to you kind of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's why I've stayed away from it so far.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was watching for a while on the Internet, and then I said, hey, I don't need this.
		My name was being dragged about in some places, too, and what can you say?
		We'll find out how it goes.
		Tune in next month.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wes of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stan Friedman.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, this is Tim from Ripon, California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Tim.
unidentified		I listen to you all the time.
unidentified		Would nuclear take biological weapons?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that really is actually, though, a good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, we're talking about pinpoint bombing in Iraq of biological sites.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, how much good or bad stuff do you spread around?
		Normally, you'd expect that a nice, neat nuclear explosion will destroy, vaporize, convert, change anything nearby if it's accessible to it.
		Now, you notice that Hiroshima is a thriving city these days.
		That was a small bomb.
		But if you're underground, it's a far-hard-defined underground facility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And one of the reasons they're there is so that if you drop a nuke, and we're working on bombs that penetrate through the ground before they explode.
		So, it depends on how good a job you do.
		And, you know, if you destroy yourself with the poison gas, what have you gained?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, right, but it would potentially burn everything up.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would.
		But do we dare, at this point in history, with the world watching, which is not quite intentional, would we dare to use nuclear weapons under those conditions?
		country that has used Them?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think only if biologicals were used against us.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		But at a first strike, so to speak, well, we've got to get rid of the guys.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Let's do it the easy way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if we wouldn't, the Israelis would.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, the Israelis showed remarkable restraint the last time around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Last time.
		That was then.
		This is now.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And I'm not saying they'd show restraint.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't have last time.
		No way.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sam Friedman.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		My question is, it's my understanding that a certain solar grid alignment is necessary in order to deploy and properly cause the atomic bomb to create the chain reaction?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I've heard this a million different times, Sam, that nuclear weapons can only be used at certain times under certain conditions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bologna?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Bologna.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Not even good baloney, cheap bologna.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They will go off no matter what.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		If the right guy is doing the triggering, of course, yes.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		No question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		First of all, this is Gabriel Ino.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Plants.
unidentified		I've heard of certain plants that eat up nuclear waste.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Is that true?
		That is interesting.
		There are fascinating things that happen with plants.
		If you look to the Pacific Islands where we tested growth, which you believe.
		And so biological control of nuclear waste is something that's being looked at.
		There are trees that will take up bad stuff, so to speak.
		It's easy to do anything about that.
		Growing the right stuff there concentrated in the plants, yes.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about cold fusion?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They had a demonstration on ABC's Good Morning America, and they showed this cold fusion process that degraded nuclear materials at such an accelerated rate that you could sit and watch the needle just go down.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Don't know.
		Didn't see it.
		Would hate to venture a guess.
		And, you know, people have used the word cold fusion to mean different things.
		At the beginning, when they're all that fuss in Utah, this is a fusion system that's producing heat.
		Well, it wasn't just a neurotinum matrix, palladium, for example, nickel, other things.
		You get energy released.
		That's true.
		Is it fusion energy?
		Probably not.
		So we're talking, we're using the term in two different ways, nuclear fusion and other kinds of fusion.
		What happens when you've got gases inside metals and surface reactions and all kinds of other things?
		So the answer is I don't know.
		People have been talking a lot.
		The Japanese are spending quite a bit of money on so-called gold fusion research.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I heard recently they gave it up, Stan.
		Hold on a moment.
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unidentified		This is Coast to Coast A.M. I got off that bus, and I was tired out.
		You have to put all your heart into it, so you do keep it.
		You feel like you conquered the world.
		After the weeks were over, you were like, wow, I am the Marine.
		That's me.
		That day that they say this method, you know that you are one of the aliens.
		Maybe you could be one of us.
		The few.
		The proud.
		The Marines.
		Call 1-800 Marines.
		When I crossed that great dick and they played the Marine hymn, that was the proudest moment in my life.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Brian.
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		I know this too well.
		I had the most a close friend myself.
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		Picture yourself on an airplane to Spain, but you don't know a word of Spanish.
		Now picture yourself learning and remembering 500 Spanish phrases on that airplane before you touch down.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly...
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		Stanton Friedman, once again, I just got a message that we were interrupted by KSFO San Francisco, by the National Weather Service, Flood Watches, Padero Valley, Salinas River near Spreckles and Bradley.
		All Central Coast mudslide warnings.
		It's getting bad out here, Stan.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah.
		You know, not relevant to what you just said, but I was musing during the break there that we have this media frenzy about the possible activities of the president and a young lady.
		And enormous amounts of energy, tens of pages in Newsweek and all over the place.
		Television is consumed with it.
		Now, if we put anywhere near that effort into sort of a grand jury on UFOs, we'd blow the lid off the whole business, which is more important than the larger scheme of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you were to try to blow the lid off of all of this, Stan, how would you do it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You talk about the cosmic conspiracy.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Cosmic conspiracy, but there's a new executive order, 12958, that makes it harder to keep old stuff classified, stuff more than 25 years old, unless the agencies will all be declassified, more than 25 years old, on April of 2000.
unidentified		It takes a week, would you believe?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, so I'm an optimist on that.
		What I would do would be to go through the old stuff, hire a group of people to do it.
		You know, the Washington Post was using, I'm told, 16 people full-time when they blew the lid off the political watergate.
		Going through financial records, phone call lists, you know, all that sort of stuff.
		Well, we're dealing with the same thing.
		I was going to say last year, but in 1996, 195 million pages were declassified.
unidentified		Wow.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		In 885 million pages were declassified.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so what do we know?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		The question doesn't anybody knows about it.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		It just sits there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what have we, how many steps forward have we taken in learning anything that blows all this apart?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		We've only put the stuff out on the table.
		Nobody's looking at it so far.
		I'm going to be down in Washington next week.
		I'm hoping to look at a lot of this stuff.
		One of the steps, for example, the presidential libraries have sent all their classified material to the archives, too, to have it reviewed in a central place because they can't afford the manpower to do it.
		And, you know, it may come as a shock to people.
		The Eisenhower Library has 50,000 pages of classified National Security Council material.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're also destroying a lot of material, Stan.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, that story about the Navy destruction was certainly worrisome and distressing because, you know, I don't know who to believe on that one.
		Is it because they were asked to take action and they didn't, so it got destroyed or whether it was requested?
		You know, it's convoluted.
		But I think if you hire enough researchers, and also there's something else that could be done, you can solicit testimony from enough people so that the government can't take action.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what Dr. Greer is doing.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes and no.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I worry I wrote a long full page of criticism to Steve Bassett of that proposal or whatever it was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which is on hold right now because of all the other Washington news.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would hope so.
		Thousands of pictures of extraterrestrial stuff.
		Well, certainly there are thousands of pictures around, but how much of it has been vouched for, certified, evaluated?
		How many of the witnesses that they're talking about have been vetted?
		Or are we dealing with wannabes, people with their 15 minutes of joy, and how much of what they say can be verified, validated?
		The debunkers will just eat up.
		You made claims that are not substantiatable.
unidentified		What does it mean?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Who does the vetting?
		And what powers do you have?
		That's where we need a 10-star apology.
		But certainly when we look at what has he spent, $40 million?
		I've heard different numbers this week.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About that, yes.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Some number like that.
		Let's say $5 million would do it nicely on the UFO scene.
		But it's a question of paying attention.
		Look at that CIA story that came out early last year.
		The Air Force says that F60s were super secret reconnaissance aircraft.
		That's balder dash.
		Dr. McAbee has looked at the statistics.
		There was no increase when they started flying U-2s, and it was not a big airplane.
		Even the SR-71 isn't huge.
		If you're flying over 60,000 feet, what's anybody going to see that's going to excite them?
		A little dot in the sky.
		I've never heard of a U-2 making right-angle turns.
		Nor have I. And flying silently and coming down and landing and then taking back off straight up, you know, out in the middle of nowhere.
		That makes no sense.
		I've written a critique of the CIA report, and I'm mentioned in there in a strange way.
		The problem with the report seems to be that the guy who wrote it from the IA of apparently special compartment information, some of the page you could read eight words on.
unidentified		And they would dock it, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So there would be a place to start congressional hearings.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		There is a security aspect here.
		Aren't detecting strange vehicles in the atmosphere, whether they're your enemies or alien, is a fine art.
		Should We put all that out on the table, which is what they seem to want.
		Declassify everything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've got a lot of things flitting about in our atmosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some of them 25,000 miles an hour and more called fast walkers, and there's some evidence that we've been shutting down.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		What the heck is going on?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		STS-48, STS-50.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you're a concern here.
		That's different from saying that we should be told nothing about what's going on.
		I'm an earthling.
		You're an earthling.
		Shouldn't we have some idea if the planet's part of a larger picture here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would like that.
		I would like to know that.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Stan Friedman.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Is that me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Okay, my issue is, Stan, I'm reading the Jim Mars book, Alien Agenda, and I would like to know if you feel that the chapter I'm on is on the mind side of the remote viewing.
		And Mars presents a remedy, or the remote viewer presents a remedy to the ozone layer to produce so that that molecule can take it up to the ozone and cover it up.
		To do this, and your pre-tick on the Alien Agenda book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, did you read Alien Agenda book?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I didn't get through it all.
		I got so disgusted.
		If I read 20 books, I can do a book.
		You seem to do very little original research and to blindly be wrong and false and so forth.
		So it's got a lot of information in it.
		Some of it is legitimate.
		It comes from other places.
		Some good, some bad.
		But it isn't the, I forget what the fancy phrase was on the cover of the book, but it isn't the info.
		I was disappointed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I expect some original research if you're going to write a book, not just a compilation of others' work.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm sure it's sold well.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		It's a good-looking book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your take on remote viewing?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		People with some special capabilities that on occasion will be successful at remote viewing.
		I was certainly dismayed when I read Courtney Brown's book because there's no substantiation of anything.
		You know, I once knew a psyche.
		It was a long time ago.
		And he told me, he says, look, it doesn't always work.
		I see stuff, I don't know what it is.
		Interpretation is difficult.
		The people get paid for it.
		It's got to be right.
		You know, they've got to produce something all the time.
		And he was very wary of that.
		So I think that people, I think there are a lot of mental skills that we haven't really touched upon.
		It's almost a verboten area.
		And the work that the government funded, we don't know all about.
		And someday, maybe we will.
		But I hearken back to the first release of data about the mind control experiments, which are not so far away from this.
		You know, how do you enhance mental capabilities?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		MK Ultra.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that sort of thing.
		The first release to John Marks from the CIA was 400 pages.
		That's all there is.
		There isn't any more.
		Go away.
		They kept coming back to them.
		They kept finding more boxes.
		He wound up, and I got the story from him, with 40,000 pages.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My God.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		The first release was 1% of what he eventually wound up with.
		And the word is he still didn't get it all.
		So we really don't know how good some few people are.
		And that's what you're looking for, the best of the best.
		Now, with special situations to provide additional information not otherwise obtainable.
		And I think occasionally it works.
		What we know from the Courtney Brown example, certainly, that not all the bragging about how good it is is true, no question.
		I'm stating these things.
		But I think it needs to be done carefully.
		And it would be nice if it were done outside of what I would call a military environment.
		I mean, it's good, you know, if you can get inside the head or the base or whatever.
		But there's more to this than that.
		And I think we will learn, which the aliens probably know already, since they seem to work flying troll rather than a gun in your back, to get the abductees, if not in Lake County.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you feel there is something to the whole alien abduction business aside from that program?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, very much so.
		And I've spent a lot of time with some of the big wheels.
		It's distressing, and I'm sure what distressed some of the people in the field about that show is it gave a totally misusing of suffering in its stuff, threatening stuff, when in reality we're dealing with mind control.
		I don't know how you show that on television, but yes, I think there could be a lot of reasons.
		One of them, I think, would relate to the fact that we're finding out that an awful lot of diseases have a genetic component.
unidentified		Oh, yes.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And that offers the hope of, I'll call it a genetic cure.
		That's a very simplistic phrase, but you know what I mean, of fixing what nature didn't do right.
		And so if you're going to do a survey of a planet looking for A new genetic material, and B, so that you've got something that the locals might want, you've got to pick up an awful large number of samples to get all the craziness gene or that gene or the other gene.
		And for example, a hemophilia, one in 5,000 males has it.
		If you only pick up 300 people, you're discourse of other genetic diseases.
		So, you know, I can imagine when the big day comes, they say, okay, guys, we know how to cure your diseases.
		There's no point in doing that until you can feed your people, obviously.
		And you idiots haven't learned to do that.
		You're spending your money on weapons.
		That might be one reason for abducting people.
		Another, grad students studying the behavior of earthlings.
		You have a lot of stories of people being shown, I'll call it pictures, that's a crude way of saying it, scenes, if you will, and getting their reactions.
		Maybe they're the alien psychologists Trying to understand what makes these people pick.
		You know, this is a strange planet.
		There's a lot of weird behavior.
		We let 35,000 children die every day.
		That was the number as of two, three years ago, needlessly from preventable disease and starvation.
		And we spend three-quarters of a trillion dollars a year.
		We earthlings on things military.
		What's wrong with these people?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you familiar with Professor Michio Kaku?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm aware that he's got a book out there, more than one probably.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Type zero planet.
		Type Zero Civilization.
		And that the odds of our making it to a type one, which would be able to harness, for example, the energy of a star, the odds of us not destroying ourselves and making it to a type one are slim and none.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, one of the things that may be going on is the great historians of the local neighborhood know just what you just said and have learned that the only way to get a primitive society whose major activity is tribal warfare, that's us, to move forward is to take over and say, okay, guys, we've had it with you.
		You're good at killing the grip of, you know, 1,800 different planetary systems.
		Here's what you have to do.
		And we'll make sure that you do it because we really don't want a civilization wandering around the local neighborhood with your attitudes.
		You guys got an activity.
		You can hear the big guys in the sky saying, gee, Wiz, what do we have to do with these people?
		And I have a paper that is 26 Reasons, radio broadcasts of the weekly show, Idiocy and the Boondocks.
		But I think the primary reason for coming here is to make sure that we don't go out until we get our act together.
unidentified		I mean, if you were an alien, would you want these guys out there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No, I wouldn't.
		Wow, Cardline, you're on the air with Sam Friedman.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi.
		Hi.
		Go ahead.
		This is Nikki from Brooklyn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Nikki.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		I wanted to ask you, how many people actually believe that bogus show?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I don't think anybody knows.
		The number that I saw was that, as of that Saturday, several days after the show, that 46 or so percent of the people...
		One person could vote a lot of times.
		That's not a good way to do things.
		So I don't know.
		Good question.
		Art, have you seen any figures published about this out there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I've just had the reaction of people like this.
unidentified		And it was that this was a home video, and you couldn't even see the credits at the end.
unidentified		It was like the newscast, like you were mentioning before.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Just green stuff, yeah.
unidentified		Yeah, and the minute I saw it, I said, oh, come on, please.
		Yeah, that was a good idea.
		It was just bad acting.
		I mean, even the little girl, she looked like she was so bored.
		Yeah.
		Unbelievable.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't well done.
		Let's face it.
		On the other hand, it clearly wasn't well.
unidentified		It was the worst acting I've ever seen since my last school play or something.
unidentified		Unbelievable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there you go, Sam.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a typical reaction for you.
unidentified		I wonder how many people who don't know anything about UFOs and first time seeing it and going, oh, my God, this stuff is all baloney.
unidentified		I always knew it was fake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is the real damage, my dear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the real damage.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I think people had a couple professors on saying all this stuff was baloney, and I'm sure a lot of people believed them, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure they did.
		All right.
		Hold on, Sam.
		Once again, if you'd like to get the real stuff, send Sam Friedman a number 10 envelope.
		That's all you need to do.
		He'll send you back free stuff.
		It's Sam Friedman, P.O. Box 958 in Holtzen, Maine.
		That's H-O-U-L-T-O-N, Maine, 80-0958.
		That's dash 0958.
		And he'll send you a bunch of free stuff.
unidentified		When it's all right, it's coming up.
		We gotta get right back.
		We'll be starting to come up.
		Nothing's going to stop.
		We've got to get right back to where it's going on.
		From the Kingdom of Nigh, this is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell.
		From east of the Rockies, caller 8033, west of the Rockies, including Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, and New Mexico, at 1-800-618-8.
		First-time callers may reach ART at area code 702-727-1222.
		And you may fax ART at Senate 499.
		Please limit your faxes to one or two pages.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		Here's Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		By the way, I'm scanning some electron scanning microscope photographs of implants removed by Dr. Roger Lear.
		And I'm sort of doing that in the breaks tonight.
		We're going to get those up on the website tomorrow.
		Actual implants removed by a physician.
		We'll be talking with Dr. Lear later in the week.
		The Beijing FreePlay Radio is, if you're listening carefully tonight to the storms going on in Canada, then you know power can go out in storms.
		The Beijing radio comes in two flavors.
		It is a remarkable radio with a device inside called the Beijing operator.
		And the clockwork generator is a device that, when wound for 30 seconds, like the NM central wave bands, the radio plays for 30 minutes with no external power otherwise.
		Nothing.
		30 seconds of winding, 30 minutes of play.
		Full room volume.
		Now, there is a second flavor of the Beijing.
		So in other words, if the power goes off, there are two things you immediately need.
		One is information.
		The second, if it is at night, is light.
		And it comes equipped with an LED light, a very bright LED that will light a ton.
		You plug it into the side of the Beijing radio.
		And again, when you wind the radio for 30 seconds, that is, and a light which lights for 30 minutes.
		If you're not comfortable with our weather right now, get comfortable with a Beijing.
		Put it up in the closet or use it every day.
		It doesn't matter.
		Radio A, just the basic Beijing, is $119.95.
		Radio flavor B with the plug-in light is $149.95.
		The number to call is 1-800-562-6438 in the morning.
		1-800-562-6438.
		For Valentine's Day, why not give your sweetheart the most romantic and unique gift in the universe?
		As your love.
		Boy, did I blow it.
		The Beijing radio comes from the Sea Crane Company, and if you call the number I gave, you're going to get flowers.
		It's absolutely fresh flowers.
		The Sea Crane Company is 1-800-522-8863.
		That's 1-800-522-886303.
		All right, back now to Stan.
		Somebody wants me to ask you about time travel, Stan.
unidentified		Possible?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, it depends on how you define it.
		Yeah, in quotes, physics, if you get close to the speed of light, time slows down for you movements.
		You've aged, you know, 800 years, why you've just aged a year and a half, depending on how close to the speed of light you go.
		So you've traveled with your physicist working on far-out astrophysics, wormholes, anybody who saw contact, being far better than I expected having read the book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're the first person, finally, I loved contact.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'd read the book, and I didn't like the book.
		There were too many pot shots at UFOs in it, typical Carl Sagan.
		But I really enjoyed it.
		And I was surprised.
		I didn't anticipate that.
		You know, it was one of those things I had to do because everybody would be asking me about.
		And I loved it.
		And so my daughter liked it, too, as a matter of fact.
		So what the heck to each his own, I guess.
		But yeah, time travel, you know, it's not something you and I are going to be doing within our lifespans, I don't believe, for the sake of that.
		And certainly we'll cut the time to go large distances down.
		But, you know, one of the things that bugs me is how the noisy negativists, as I call them, start talking about interstellar travel without really thinking about it.
		They'll talk about, look, how long it's going to take to get to the next galaxy.
		Frankly, I don't care about the next galaxy.
		I like the local neighborhood.
		Next galaxy is a million light years away.
		How about 1,000 stars within 54 light years of here?
		You know, different kind of problem, in other words.
		It's at the...
		To go 37 light years, the distance to Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 reticuli, the stars that come out of the Betty Hill star map, another good abduction case.
		But at 99.99% of the speed of light, you can go 37 light years once pilot time.
		Now, we've had astronauts, others have had astronauts in space for longer than six months.
		You know, not such a big deal.
		So that sort of puts a lot of neighborhood within reach, doesn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It has been said, then, though, that if time travel is possible, where are the time travelers?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, there's the old Fermi paradox.
		Enrico Fermi, great Italian scientist, set up the first nuclear chain reactor at reaction at the University of Chicago.
		One of the reasons I went there.
		He died while I was a student there, as a matter of fact.
		Fermi asked, so where are they?
		You know, and I think if we look, we'll see they're all over the place.
		Now, they're not on, you know, late-night television.
		And I don't think you've had any aliens on yet, have you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, this show may be an exception.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but my point is that you've got to look before you find.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		You don't see the dust mites in your house, too, but they tell me that many asthma attacks are actually triggered by them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		So the point is that there are so many sightings going on all the time.
		What is really the difficulty?
		We're dealing with the PR problem, and I know the UPN show illustrated that, but most people don't report their sightings.
		And the more respectable the individual, the less likely to report their sightings.
		And all the good reporting detection systems, I better say, their data is born classified.
		The good radar networks, the good spy satellites looking down, we tend to forget that they're looking down.
		If a saucer goes by, they'd see it.
		They won't tell you about it, though.
		So there's a lot more going on than we hear about.
		And until we unleash the powers of truth, and I don't know where to find them, we're going to be ignorant.
		And it bothers me, you know, again, in the UPN angle.
		The New York Times, three and a half years back, they read an article about the Project Mogul stuff, you know, left-hand best position you can get in an American newspaper, because when they stack up those Sunday papers, you know, that's what you see.
unidentified		Sure.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And they didn't do any research on Roswell.
		They just bought the Air Force explanation of Project Mogul hook, Line, and Sinker.
		And not only was it on the front page of the New York Times, which is, after all, sold all around the country, but the Cleveland Plain Dealer and a whole bunch of other papers picked up on it from the New York Times Service.
		I didn't hear any screams of protest about that.
		You know, that's a respectable publication.
		The writer has a Pulitzer Prize, and he did no research to check if it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They just write what they want to write, and if they've got a reputation to back it up, nobody does any digging.
		It just stands unchallenged.
		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Stenton Friedman.
unidentified		Good morning.
		Hello.
		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air.
unidentified		Yes.
		I'm calling because I would like to first of all I have two questions.
		What are the call letters for the Marina Valley area in Riverside County?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I certainly don't know.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
unidentified		Well, I'm trying to let my father get out there, and it's really awful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Izzy, if you'll check my website, there's a full listing of radio stations.
unidentified		I have a computer, so I guess I'll have to call my own radio station here locally.
unidentified		And I remember listening to a broadcast ears, oh, about maybe three weeks ago, and he had predicted a date for a 7.4 somewhere, it was either east or west of Riverside County on an east-west fault line magnitude earthquake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Second week of February this year of 98.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I'm wondering, was it East or west of Riverside?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dear, I'm sorry.
		I don't remember.
		You're asking me all kinds of questions.
		You would have to get the Gordon Michaels Gallion program and listen to that.
		No relationship to what we're talking about tonight.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air of Stenten Friedman.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		I'm a listener to your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		And tonight I was listening in the Joe Dance giving no S in credit at Luke Since 94.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		That is false and incorrect.
unidentified		I will be the first to tell you that F-15s land regularly at Luke for training flights, stopovers, gas-ups.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's entirely possible they were there.
unidentified		Very.
		I mean, before I separated from the military, I saw many of them.
		I guarded the damn things.
		I mean, it's ludicrous for somebody to call up and say, you know, Luke's a training base.
		They're haven't been there and then there since 94.
		Well, that's ludicrous because since Luke is a training base, they do have to keep, you know, current flight records going.
		And not only that, they have to keep their pilots knowledgeable on all types of possible aircraft they may fly.
		And the F-15 is long from being decommissioned.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, so.
		I thank you very much for the call.
		That settles that.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Sentinel Friedman.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hard Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Jim calling from Fort Worth, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Jim.
unidentified		I've been listening to you for an awfully long time.
unidentified		I can remember when I had to down here pick you up from Omaha or St. Louis, and now thanks to our local plug, KLIF, I get a straight shot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cliff in Dallas, yeah.
unidentified		I am so tickled to be able to get through tonight.
		Believe it or not, the first time I tried because I've got something to say to Staunton Friedman that I hope to get through.
		Okay?
		Give it a shot.
		Staunton, I'm not only...
		Yep.
		Oh, okay, that's my computer disrupting the line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, go ahead, sir.
unidentified		Staunton, I'm not only a UFO buff myself, but as a matter of fact, I have the distinct honor at Karen County Junior College.
		Yeah.
		Okay?
		Yeah.
		Now, when this UPN deal, I think I'm speaking for many people when I put it like this.
		I heard about this thing coming on.
		They're supposed to have this home videotape.
		Oh, I'm all lathered up.
		You know, I'm thinking, boy, this is going to be better than Barney and Betty Hill.
		So I get my tape in there, and the night shows up, and I start taping the thing here.
		And I almost killed the tape.
		I let it run, and then when you came on there, now I think my reaction is going to be about the same as anybody that knows you and of your credibility.
		I'm sitting here asking myself, how in the you know what, did they manage to get Staunton Friedman on there to say that?
		So they didn't fool me, and I don't think that, as a matter of fact, I almost called them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the answer is they got him to say it by not showing them the program and just doing a general interview, asking then integrated those comments into the show.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		It was a neat cut-and-paste job, I'll say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now I guess, Dan, you'll be warned next time.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, yeah.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, I'm hoping that we can do something about the upcoming show to at least change the advertising or put in some kind of a disclaimer for people to take advantage of the public's interest and then foist off something that isn't what people think it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just got a story here.
		El Niño, strongest on record, will now, they say, last through mid-1998.
		El Nino, the warm water phenomenon that helped make 1997 the hottest year on record, will continue to wreak havoc until the middle of this year, according to UN climate experts.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		What a happy thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild card line, you're on the air with Stanton Friedman.
unidentified		Oh, and I just had a couple of questions for Dr. Friedman.
		I was just wondering if he would be lecturing in the vicinity.
		You mentioned that he would be making a trip to Minneapolis sometime soon.
		And I also wanted to just get a little bit of his opinion of Bob Bazar's claims.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'm going to Minneapolis, indeed, on the 18th, and I'll spend about four days there.
		Then it looks like I'll be going down to Madison, Wisconsin.
		The American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics section has to go to just west of Madison on the 24th, it looks like.
		That got confirmation.
		And nothing scheduled in Minneapolis.
		If I do something while I'm there, we may film it.
		You know, I don't know.
		I travel a great deal.
		I've spoken at 600 colleges and 100 professional groups, so I get around.
		Babazar, he comes across very well on television, tells a great story.
		There is no substantiation for any degrees, although he claims master's degree in physics from MIT and another one from Caltech.
		He claims he was a scientist working for Los Alamos.
		He wasn't.
		MIT and Caltech never heard of him.
		Pierce Jr.
		He is misrepresenting his background.
		His Element 115 scheme won't work.
		Call it, you know, I'm tempted to say a harmless con man, but he certainly has influenced a lot of people, so maybe harmless is the wrong word.
		His videos sell around the world.
		I was showing them in Holland when I was Over there, would you believe?
		And people believed it because there it is, and he sounds very convincing.
		So it's a distraction.
		Yeah, there is an Area 51, and yeah, interesting things are going on out there.
		But I would bet 100 to 1 he wasn't like engineering flying saucers out there.
		He isn't a scientist.
		Teller would not have recommended him for a job, et cetera, et cetera.
		Yeah, the phone directory, I'm glad you brought that up, says very clearly after his name, K slash M. If you look at the top of the page, it said this is a telephone directory for employees of Los Alamos National Department of Energy, of Kirk Meyer Corporate, and a couple of other companies.
		No question, he worked for Kirkmeyer.
		That's what the K-slash-M means.
		They were stuck out at only big mason accelerator facility.
		Clinton D. Anderson is a long name for the facility.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But wouldn't that suggest you would have to have some sort of background, as suggested?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		A technician.
		Yeah, they had lots of technicians out there because that's a user facility.
		Scientists come from all over the world.
		They need help setting up their equipment.
		They can't bring a whole team of people.
		So you hire, you know, it's a labor pool, if you will, from Kirk Meyer Corporation.
		So he's not an idiot, but he isn't a scientist either.
		And, you know, the story has no way to accumulate 500 pounds, no way to accumulate 10 pounds.
		And he talks about adding protons.
		Well, you've already got lots of protons.
		Makes one heck of an accelerator.
		Doesn't show one on his system.
		Actually, his design seems to be based on the Billy Meyer photographs or phony photographs, whatever you want to call them.
		I am very upset when people make false claims about their background.
		And I was going to correct the woman, somebody said something about Dr. Freeman.
		I do not have a doctorate.
		He corrected Larry King live with that.
		He's a bright guy.
		He's good at making jet-powered cars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not changed.
		You know, many uroologists tend to enlarge their story as time goes on.
		His has remained basically the same.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		To expand it, find a story that works, stick with it.
		What's the point?
		I mean, look, I don't know.
		Somebody told me 100,000 of those models of his craft have penetrated.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got one right here, the Chester saucer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No question about it.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Hold it close to the phone and we'll all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From Mexico City, a strong earthquake shook Mexico's southern Pacific coast Monday evening, panicking all towns.
		No immediate report of injury.
		Mexico's National Seismological Service put the preliminary magnitude at 6.4, strong enough to cause severe damage.
		It was followed by three aftershocks about 15 minutes apart.
		The shaking began about 9.06 p.m., lasted about one minute, jolted residents for hundreds of miles up and down the coast, rattling the resort city of Al Capulco, sending ripples that were felt as far as Mexico City, 315 miles to the north.
		The state civil protection agency and the Red Cross said there were no immediate reports of casualties.
		6.4 earthquake is pretty big.
		My guest is Stan Friedman, if you know he's got one.
		All you need to do is send a number 10 envelope to him, and he will return the materials to you free of charge.
		Send it to Stan Friedman, P.O. Box 958 in Holton, H-O-U-L-T-O-N, Maine, up where the ice gathers.
		Zip code 04730-9-0958.
		Let me try that again.
		Sam Friedman, P.O. Box 958, Holton, Maine, 04730-0958.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		Her hands are called Old.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Coast to Coast, A.M. Let's sweet surprise.
unidentified		Her hands are never cold.
		She's got Betty Davis.
		She cut them new bit.
		You won't have to thank twice.
		She's pure as New York snow.
		She's got better days to die.
		Ugh.
		The music of the show and the TV.
		To drunk with our bells in the Kingdom of Nineveh.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be us.
		Good morning, everybody.
		Sam Friedman is my guest.
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		You know, during the breaks here, I have been scanning, Stan, from Dr. Roger Lear, electron scanning microscope photographs of implants taken out of people.
		Have you seen that?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Roger, I was aware that he was doing the work.
		So I'm anxious to see that.
		I'm also anxious to see how called of the supposed Roswell stuff that was made a big noise about in the presentation.
		You know, the silicon.
		So I'm anxious to see the data.
		It's easy to leap to conclusions.
		People have had implants put in them, some people.
		I haven't seen any good analysis of the implants.
		I guess it starts surfing the net.
		Oh, dear.
		I've got to go modernize.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought you said you had a computer, said Randall.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I do have a computer, and I do get lots of email every day, but I stay off the net.
		I got so disgusted, frankly.
		A couple years back, I used Deja, Deja New, Deja View, whatever it is, Deja News.
		Somebody had told me, a friend had told me, oh, I ran you through that, and there were over 100 hits on you.
		I said, oh, that's interesting, you know, for the interest groups.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		So there were 100 hits, and I downloaded the first 10.
		And I got so mad because it was so full of baloney.
		I was going to respond to each and every one of these idiots, and then I decided, what a waste of time it would be.
		You know, if they were interested in the facts, they wouldn't have put out the garbage in the first place.
		I want to change the world, not one at a time, you know?
		Do it wholesale.
		Go on the Art Bell show.
		So partly because of that, and partly because it's been one heck of a busy time.
		The focus group stuff that I do see, there's so much junk out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's like the slightest evidence to back them up.
		It's their 15 seconds of fame, I guess, on the Internet.
		So I can't consider it reliable, at least from that viewpoint.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what is your view on the Internet?
		There are a variety of takes on the Internet.
		One is that the Internet is actually slowing our growth, our process as a civilization because it is complete worldwide.
		The top ten ideas prevail worldwide.
		Innovation suffers.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, I tend to go along with that.
		The Internet, it bothers me something because it's in print or on television.
		And it seems to me, you know, there are things called libraries where you can do in-depth investigation.
		There are things called journals where, you know, communicate cheaply and certainly better than the post office if the other person happens to have a computer.
		But I noticed that one of the things that bothers me is I get stuff, I don't know who it's from, you know, no address, no phone number, no background, no stationery.
		That kind of bothers me.
		I'd like to know, and I'd like more delay communication if somebody wants to call me, you know.
		But because the Internet is cheap, you know, you pay a certain fee, period, I get stuff that isn't well thought out.
		And because my email address is in my book, Top Secret Magic, I'm much more thoughtful than the stuff I get on the Internet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if somebody's willing to pick up a phone, they probably thought harder about it.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Satan Friedman.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, guys.
unidentified		It's Phil from Chicago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I was just calling.
		I had to say I knew that you had nothing to do with that immediately.
		You could tell that it was all out of context.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		The UPN stuff.
unidentified		Yeah, the UPN stuff.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, I appreciate that.
unidentified		That was ridiculous.
unidentified		By the way, did you notice when they were supposedly dissecting the cow that the beam was going up and down, but the hand was going right to left?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't notice that.
unidentified		That was the first thing that I saw.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With a red laser.
unidentified		You're right.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I remember the red laser.
unidentified		If you look at the hand, the hand's going from side to side.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, sort of cheap special effects.
unidentified		Yeah, well, do you remember when they tried this originally a couple years back?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've seen that on the internet.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember it.
unidentified		I saw it for the commercials.
unidentified		I knew that it was faked immediately because it was the exact same thing, just different camera angles and different people.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Probably the uptake.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you, my friend.
		And take care.
		West to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Stanton Friedman.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		This is Aileen from Santa Cruz.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I was just actually calling in to give you an update because we're dormant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How's it going?
unidentified		It's very flooded.
		It's intensely flooded.
		There's like a foot and a half or something just around our house.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		It's really nuts when we got in here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		I guess it's expecting to be like one to three more inches to get up there.
unidentified		Let everyone know it's really nuts around here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've been watching the reports about the Bay Area, and it's calling for really heavy rain, it looks like, throughout the rest of the week, nearly as I can tell.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
		Yeah.
		And it's completely flooded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How close to a dangerous point are you?
unidentified		Well, we're right by the, what is it, the Soquel River, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		You know the Santa Cruz area?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I do.
unidentified		Yeah, we're right in the downtown Santa Cruz.
unidentified		And like all the roads down here just like our rivers, middle of the country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		It's like that, and I didn't ever expect that to happen.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Are you getting mudslides, too?
unidentified		Excuse me?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Are there mudslides as well?
unidentified		Yeah, the Highway 9 that goes over from here over to the other side of the hill is just all mudslides and it's closed down.
		And Highway 17 has had the trees falling asleep.
		I would around here are closed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's Highway 17 going over the mountain.
unidentified		Going over the summit to San Jose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, take care.
unidentified		Okay, thanks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		This really is getting serious, Dan.
		There is something changing with regard to our climate.
		I don't think there's any question about it anymore.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the jet stream is in a different place.
		And, you know, what we talk about is 100-year events, you know, or 500-year floods or whatever.
		The ice storm back here in Quebec and in Maine and New York and so forth.
		The maple trees, everybody lost their maple trees, you know, where they tap them for maple syrup.
unidentified		Right.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And we're talking thousands of trees.
		And six inches of ice enough to knock down, to overwhelm this, what do you call it, just metal strips and building a big tower and the lines go across?
		Loads of them because it was so much ice.
		We're talking six inches.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I had and had, is the proper way to put it, an affiliate in Quebec.
		Their tower iced up and came down on top of itself.
		And we're now on a different affiliate temporarily in Quebec.
		So the damage was just stupendous.
		And things are really changing.
		It's frightening.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Stanton Friedman.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Good evening, gentlemen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening.
unidentified		Key from Huntington Beach.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Off with your radio, please.
unidentified		Yeah.
		All right, I got it.
		Yeah, I've just been a fan of following Stan's work for years.
		And I was wondering, was there any research done before he was on that show the other night?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean that he.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, a guy representing, doing something for Dick Clark Productions, you're going to do a show on abductions.
		I had no reason to suspect that it would be any different, particularly from other shows that I've done.
		You get called, you go in, they do an interview, and who knows what they're going to do with it, and you go away.
		Certainly, I didn't expect it to be cut and pasted the way that one was.
unidentified		Well, with the promos the week before, I had told my wife that when I had seen you on the promos, I figured it was going to be a stand-up show.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know they were going to use it.
unidentified		I think the second art saw it as well, he jumped right forward saying that.
unidentified		I think that's my purpose for tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I said was, yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I said was that it was obvious that Stan's comments were not directly relevant to what we were seeing, so he had to have made them in the blind, and they had to have been patched in.
unidentified		Right.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		That's what they did.
		And, you know, my mistake, I guess.
		Although, as I say, if somebody else had been on, would it have been any better?
unidentified		You know, I think all of you guys would have been so easily lost.
		I mean, it takes a long time for you to get all the degrees and to put in all those years of good work.
		And then something like this happens.
		And as a caller earlier said, that someone tunes in and then they see this for the first time.
		And we talked about it.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		On legitimate shows, it happens, you know, from Nightline and other shows where bad stuff is done.
		And, yeah, there's no question that there's a lot of, I'll call it wasteland about UFOs, good, bad, or indifferent, not just abductions either.
		Roswell has been mistreated, if you will, as a story, greatly on television.
		You know, just a simple question.
		How come nobody shows the headlines full page wide from the other newspapers like Chronicle or The Bee?
		They show the Roswell paper and make it sound like nothing else happening in a small little town in southern New Mexico.
		Well, it was a much bigger story in Los Angeles on the Herald Express than it was in Roswell.
		That is bigger headlines, more talks about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've rarely heard you comment on abductions at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was almost surprised to see you as an expert on abduction on the show.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, and UFOs are real.
		We've got Betty Hill.
		We've got Travis Walton.
		I was there with him in arranging for the interviews and stuff.
		I was the first to publish about the Betty Hill star map.
		I actually took a course in hypnosis many, many years ago.
		I spent a lot of time with the experts.
		Now, sure, my long suit is advanced technology and Cosmic Watergate and Archives and Roswell and stuff like that, but in my room.
		And I've tried to keep my finger on the pulse with people like John Carpenter and Bud Hopkins and down in Australia where he spoke and I spoke.
		So I've tried to keep at it.
		But if somebody calls me who may have been abducted, I don't mess with them.
		I refer them to an expert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who would you?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, depending on where they are, I'd have them contact John Carpenter for three, the MUFON Abductions Coordinator, and he knows most of the people around the country who are involved in good abduction research.
		And yeah, I put the party that contacts me in touch with somebody who knows where to find the right people and let them go at it.
		And that works.
		I talked to somebody in New Mexico.
		She had called me.
		She was obviously upset and distressed.
		And I talked to her for quite some time and then replaced with what happened.
		So I'm not going to stand up and say, hey, I do hypnotherapy or anything like that.
unidentified		I don't.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		But I do keep my hand on the pulse.
		And as I say, I've met with, I've been in Betty Hill's house.
		I've been in Travis' house.
unidentified		I've talked to other abductees.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you feel about the Travis Walton abduction case?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I interviewed Travis and his boss, Mike.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Mike Rogers, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, I was in there when we did Pose Areel.
		I was very favorably impressed.
		I've seen them several times since.
		As a matter of fact, the two of them came up here to Fredericton, New Brunswick to speak at the University of New Brunswick last year after a conference we were both at in New Hampshire.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They sure wrote a good book.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was going to say, anybody who thinks that that case has been explained away by Philip Klass or Kevin Randall in his new book, The Randall Report, ought to read Travis' book.
		And one of the problems here is we have this cultural stereotyping, if you will.
		Gee, Travis Walton used to cut down trees near a town called Snowflake, Arizona.
		Obviously, a country bumpkin.
		Well, you don't need to spend many minutes with Travis to know he's not a country bumpkin.
		He's a very bright guy, very sharp guy, a very decent guy.
		So I am very much satisfied that indeed, of course IPRO, Jim Lorenzen is dead.
		Anyway, I had done a lot of checking on Travis.
		And so I'm satisfied that he was indeed abducted.
		It's not a conventional abduction.
		I think it was a hidden abduction.
unidentified		We got some back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They have taken any number of lie detector tests.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		The arguments one by one systematically doesn't duck any.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And also Klass's crazy argument that it was the woods-thinning contract of Mike Rogers that was delayed, so they had to come up with a crazy story.
unidentified		I mean, that's.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about Phil Klass?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, his new book targets me.
		People were talking about having us do something.
		He was having a voice problem.
		He had some back surgery, and he talked about a very hoarse throat.
		And so he didn't go to the Mufan conference this past year, which he normally does go to, because he could barely talk.
		That makes it hard to do battle.
		So, you know, what can I say?
		Phil and I have been at it for a lot of years.
		I'll give him credit for something, after all.
		He made a big deal about the typeface on one of the operations that I used to eat at a White House.
		Well, he offered to pay me $100 each for every genuine memo, letter, et cetera, from the right time frame and so forth in our library.
		And I spent weeks there, and I was going there anyway.
		To make a long story short, I came up with 20 out of my files.
		I knew he wouldn't buy them all because he didn't have signatures.
		They were carbons, Xeroxes of carbons.
		But I knew I was going to the library.
		And when I sent him 14 that had the same type face note more, it was $6,000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I want to ask you about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know you guys have had bets for...
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Now, this was a challenge.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I didn't have to put up anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sam, hold on.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		We'll be right back.
unidentified		It's been a too long time with no peace of mind.
unidentified		And I'm ready for the times to get better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is the Crystal Gal.
		And this, of course, is Coast to Coast A.M. I'm R. Bell.
		We'll be right back.
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		All right, back now to Sen Friedman.
		Stretch run, Stan.
		Listen.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because I got to go in less than half an hour.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Phil Klass and yourself have been going at it now for years, and there's been money attached to these things for a long time now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, the two money things were one, what I just talked about, that he challenged me on the Tai Declaration Library.
		They had 250,000 pages of National Security Council material.
		He had nine stages typical of the intellectual bankruptcy of the pseudoscience of anti-ufology.
		Now, many years ago, I took him up.
		He made what sounded like a reasonable offer.
		You put up $100 a year, and he'll guarantee you for 10 years $10,000 if the president says flying saucers are real.
		Well, there were other kickers, and I made him modify them, and much to his surprise, I took him up on the Lou Gordon television show out of Detroit way back when.
		And I paid my $100 each year.
		It was worth it to look on his face, and I pulled the money out of my pocket.
		Those are the only two real financial things.
		He's made other crazy offers, and usually he has so many kickers, nobody would take him up, but he got careless on the typeface one.
		But he paid off.
		Now, the interesting thing is he sent copies of his challenge all over the place, but apparently told very few people about paying me off.
		Not surprising, I guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I have a copy of his check in my 108-page final report on Operation Majestic.
		He got very mad at that, but I said, hey, you send it to me.
		I copied it.
		I cashed it.
		Tough luck, buddy.
		You know, there it is.
		And he stopped complaining.
		We've done about eight hours of television.
		I don't know how many hours of radio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lots and lots.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And it's one of those frustrating experiences.
		I consider Phil one of the top propagandists of the second half of the century because not only was he successful in keeping the press away from the subject, after all, he works for Aviation Week.
		And, you know, if there was anything going on, they would know about it, is kind of the attitude.
		But through his work with SICCOP, the self-anointed committee for the scientific investigation of claims of the paranormal, he kept a lot of scientists away.
		Carl Sagan didn't do any research on UFOs.
		He depended on Phil.
		So his impact has been much greater than he's given credit for.
		I may not approve, but I have to admit that he's had a powerful impact.
		Good writer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's somebody who sounds like they're coming at you as one would come at Phil.
		It says, all right, simply one listener's opinion concerning Stan Friedman.
		If it doesn't have the word government stamped on it, it ain't true.
		But who the hell can believe the government these days?
		And he said so himself.
		What a perfect disinformationist this guy is.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand that.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		When did I ever say if it doesn't have the government stamped on it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It ain't true.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		It makes no sense to me.
		I've spent time at 18 archives.
		You know, I'm certainly up as much as anybody is on government documents.
		But the government, I've been talking about a Cosmic Watergate for an awful lot of years.
		And I prove it.
		You know, a year ago when I was on, I gave your people who sent their envelope a 900-word article on the Cosmic Watergate.
		No question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you still send that out?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Occasionally.
		I'm not going to send it on this one because I'm limited to the eight pages.
		So I'll send out my if somebody wants one, they can ask for it and I can provide it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What exactly are they going to get if they send off the envelope?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Okay, they'll get a five-page single space review of case closed, you know, the Roswell report case closed, where I detail what's wrong with this government report by Air Force Captain McAndrew.
		They'll get a list, a one-pager of radio specials, as I call them, special prices on order bike, on my CD-ROM, on my two books, on two videos.
		You know, radio people are deserving of something for taking the trouble.
		And the other one is a two-pager, both sides of a sheet, which lists about 25 different items.
		A lot of my papers, the smaller papers, things like Flying Saucers and Physics, or that's 20 pages, or the Zeta Reticuli Incident, the StarMap work that tells us where some aliens originate, or my four scientific papers,
		which includes science fiction, science, and UFOs, and a scientific approach to UFO behavior, and Roswell Revisited, and update on the Roswell story, And Crash Saucers, Majestic 12, and the Debunkers, a lot of other miscellaneous papers that you won't find anyplace else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, that's a lot of stuff.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so I'm not sending all those papers, but there's a list with all that stuff on it.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		So, as a source for information that you can trust, if you will, on UFOs, this is a good place to start.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Sen Friedman, the address.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Post Office Box 958 Holton, H-O-U-L-T-O-N, Maine, M-E, 04730-0958.
		Self-address stamp, number 10, envelope.
		I should add, incidentally, I know that it's happened.
		People have called Maine, area code 207, and looked for my number, and it ain't there.
		I don't live in Maine.
		I live in New Brunswick, area code 506, in Fredericton, New Brunswick, and I am in the book.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you handle that, being in the book, by the way?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you must literally get, doesn't your phone ring at all hours?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, a lot of people don't realize that there's another time zone here east of Maine.
		So, yeah, I get some strange phone calls.
		But, you know, maybe I'm remote enough so people don't bother.
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Stanton Friedman.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Hi.
		This is Steve calling from Lake Geneva, Wisconsin.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm going to be not too far from you.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		And hi, Arthur.
		Love your show.
		I've been listening to you for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Stanton, I was down recently in New Mexico around October and saw an interesting talk by a man down at the UFO Museum.
		Yeah.
		His name was Dennis Balthaser.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I know Dennis, and his interception story, I guess that would have been.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And my question is, what is your comment on that?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a fascinating and rather involved story.
		Dennis was, the museum was contacted by somebody in Oklahoma claiming that his father had picked up a piece of wreckage from Roswell, and he just heard about it and wanted to do something with it.
		So Dennis went over there, and he made phone calls back and forth.
		And then he went over there, and the people he was supposed to meet didn't show up.
		And then he was met by two people who said they were Air Force OSI people, and that the phones at the museum were being tapped, and they were working with the guy who had the wreckage.
		And tough luck, buddy.
		And then there's a follow-up story to that, incidentally.
		I've been trying to help him do more work on locating who was at the other end.
		It was supposedly a lawyer, you see, because there's nobody by that name listed.
		And he called the number he had called back then, and a woman answered, and he felt it was a woman that had one of the two people that had met him at a restaurant there.
		And when he's talking to her, and he's trying to pin her down, suddenly a man's voice comes on the phone who kind of threatens him to keep his nose out of all this stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my goodness.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And that's fairly recent, and I just got a fact from three days ago, I guess.
		And so I don't know what's going on there, whether these are real OSI people or not, but it's kind of scary because they were threatening him.
		And so I know Dennis.
		I like him.
		I've spoken at the museum.
		And something very strange is happening here.
		Now, he was a little careless initially because he didn't know you've got to take precautions.
		I have a habit of when people call me and tell me a great story and give me a number.
		I then check information there to see whether it's a listed number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And if it's not, I get rather concerned.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		You know, so, and they sent something by Federal Express, but they didn't, they signed that thing so nobody needs to sign for it, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		So you don't get a receipt that way.
		I mean, you don't, you can't track it down as to contact Federal Express who signed for this.
		So some opportunities were lost, unfortunately.
		But he's not accustomed to dealing with devious people.
		I've been in this a lot longer, and there are a lot of devious people out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there sure are.
		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sentin Friedman.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Eric.
unidentified		This is David from Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, David.
unidentified		Question for your guest.
		Over the course of the show, I've been a little bit bothered by some of your comments about other UFO researchers and how they're not up to power.
		They're not up to nothing.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		No, they're lying about their credentials, is my concern.
unidentified		My question is, how do you see the infighting that seems to be so prevalent in the UFO researcher community?
		Isn't it becoming so much more of a detraction that it seems that nobody can actually get anywhere because everybody's always telling, talking about everybody else being, well, he's not really telling the truth, et cetera, et cetera.
		You know what I'm saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody accusing everybody else of being a disinformation agent.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was accused of that today, as a matter of fact, in an email.
		It is a major problem, but somebody has to stand up and say, hey, this guy isn't who he says he is.
		He doesn't have those degrees.
unidentified		I've checked.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And other people don't want to be bothered.
		They want to go by the seat of the pants.
		Well, you know, that's good for sitting on, but it's not a good way to find out information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Linda Moltenhow has done a lot of the same kind of work.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and she knows that there are frauds out there, doesn't she?
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And she's identified many of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She generally is hesitant to do it publicly, but in cases where people have claimed degrees, claimed educational backgrounds that don't exist, she has identified them.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, it seems to me that I have a responsibility if I'm going to be a professional person going on shows like yours, that if I'm going to stand behind somebody, I better have a basis for doing it.
		And, you know, I don't know why other people don't call universities and Don't check on credentials.
		It's too much trouble, I guess.
		But I have to know whether I'm answering people ask me about Lazar.
		For example, he's supposed to be a nuclear physicist.
		I'm a nuclear physicist.
		What do I think about him?
		Well, I have to do some checking first.
		You know, otherwise I'd say he's in my grey basket.
		I don't know, and go on from there.
		Well, I did do the checking.
		He doesn't check out.
		And you've seen all this fuss about Michael Wolf.
		Well, I did a lot of checking.
		I spent a lot of time and money.
		So when somebody tells me, oh, he's okay, I say, where's the evidence?
		If a guy says he's a doctor, he should have a doctor's license.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You've got a gray box, a big gray box of things that are just sort of...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How big is your this is a really true box?
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's pretty large, too, because I spent a lot of time at this.
		There are reputable researchers out there.
		I don't get asked about them.
		Dr. Bruce McAbee, Dr. Robert Wood, John Schusler, professional people who I trust entirely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about Darrell Sims?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He was with you on.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		I have serious problems there.
		I certainly didn't like his performance in New Mexico with this piece of Roswell wreckage without even a hint of how he got it.
		You know, where did he get it from?
		How do we relate this to Roswell?
		And that terrible press conference in which a guy stood up and said, this is extraterrestrial, but then wouldn't take questions and left.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that was a disaster.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was.
		And I was there.
		I mean, you know, I couldn't ignore it.
		So I wasn't overjoyed about that.
		And I think Daryl has often gone beyond his data.
		I took umbrage with, he and Roger were there together at the conference the last day of the Roswell business.
		There was a panel discussion.
		And they came up to join in, and I gave them a hard time about, you know, you didn't provide us with any information.
		This is silicon, this material that they were touting, you know.
		Did you talk to any silicon manufacturers?
		No.
		Well, it's an item of commerce.
		You know, that's what the whole, what do you think Pentium is built on, if you will?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was a claim that it had off-world properties.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Well, they were talking about isotope ratios.
		Now, there are two problems there.
		One, when you make chips, one way to dope them is to expose them to neutrons because you convert silicon into phosphorus.
		And so you would have different isotope ratios.
		Second, isotope ratios are dependent on how much of the stuff is there in the first place.
		In a certain range, the accuracy isn't that good.
		So they hadn't had the work done by a commercial forensic testing lab.
		And it was done at a university.
		And I hate to say it, but if I want something tested, I don't go to a university.
		I go to a lab whose business it is to test and be able to provide testimony that will stand up in a court of law.
		You know, it's like the O.J. Simpson trial in DNA.
		You better get the best guys because the other guy is going to have the best guys.
		And so they didn't do that.
		And it wasn't published anywhere, and there was no provenance.
		Here's this stuff.
		And as I understand it, this stuff actually came from Israel.
		So I was very wary of the performance, and I let them both know it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Sentin Friedman, and not a lot of time.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I've got one question as to what is the zip code again for Holton or is it Moulton?
unidentified		No, Holton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		H-O-U-L-T-O-N.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the zip code is 04730-0958.
unidentified		Okay.
		Now, I have no familiarity or love or hate for Bob Lazar, but in some of the comments that I've heard tonight, I look at a situation that I have been in, and I see some question marks that pop up very regularly.
		I used to work in government security on the East Coast in the early 50s.
		I transferred out to the West Coast on my own, went to work for a major multinational corporation, ended up with clearance and ability to get into the San Francisco Mint, the AEC offices in Berkeley, and the Livermore Radiation Labs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, not a lot of times.
unidentified		I was contacted and proselytized, whatever.
		Went to work as an insider.
		Ten years later, I went back to try to find some information because I had never received a W-2 or anything else as far as wages paid.
		Nobody that I contacted in any government agency had ever heard of me.
		Nobody had ever heard of the people that I was contacting.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Don't misunderstand me about Bob Lazar.
		I am certainly in full agreement that the government won't tell you about classified work that people have done while working for the government.
		That isn't my problem with Bob.
		The problem is his claim for educational credentials at MIT and Caltech when instead he was going to Pierce Junior College.
		They ain't the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So they could have erased his government work.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That much could have been done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But you don't think they could have erased his academic credentials.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And I've talked to MIT about this and to their director of legal affairs.
		He says it can't happen.
		There's too much here.
		You know, when you go to college, it's not you go through and you get a ticket at the end.
		You've got to take courses.
		You've got to be Signed up for this, that, or the other thing.
unidentified		You've got to be visible.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		And you certainly can't commute between MIT and Cambridge Mass and Pierce Junior College at the same time.
		They're 2,500 air miles apart.
		And so I'm in full agreement that there are all kinds of people with high-level security clearance.
		You try to find out what they're doing for the government, if they're working on black projects, for example, you ain't going to find out.
		That's different from saying if they say they got a Ph.D., Michael Wolf, for example, but he can't tell you the thesis advisor.
unidentified		He doesn't compute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then we're out of time.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I really appreciate it, Art.
		And anybody who's got anything to tell me, and maybe for my fancy documentary for the fall, write me at the address or check information in Holton, in Fredericton, New Brunswick.
		Remember, I'm four hours ahead of the West Coast, though.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stanton, thanks a million.
stanton friedman ▲ ● ▼		Pleasure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care, my friend.
		That's Sen Friedman, everybody, and that's it.
		We are out of time from the high desert that will answer.

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