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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Jim Marrs - Alien Agenda

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		This is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		Good morning.
		In a moment comes Jim Mars, who used to be a reporter with the Fort Worth Star Telegram.
		And we were discussing the retraction of the Dallas Morning News.
		The Dallas Morning News, of course, reporting that there was coming forward a Secret Service member who had seen Bill Clinton with Monica Lewinsky in a compromising position.
		That story is being retracted.
		Repeat, that story is being retracted by the Dallas Morning News.
		Jim Mars, my guest coming up, not unhappy to see that.
		The Fort Worth Star Telegram, one of the chief competitors down there, Texas Way.
		This year, give a gift that will truly last as long as your love.
		Well, all right, I have a large dish of pro in front of me that I'm eating with reference to the result of the Super Bowl game, and I will say it again.
		Congratulations, Denver.
		You earned it.
		John Elway, you earned it.
		Green Bay, you fell down and choked upon the job.
		And I just say it was like seeing the unstoppable, the unimaginable occurring.
		But it did.
		And I have nothing to say except that I was dead wrong.
		Jim Mars, a native of Fort Worth, Texas.
		Mr. Mars earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in journalism from the University of North Texas in 1966, attended graduate school at Texas Tech in Lubbock for two years further, has worked for several Texas newspapers, including the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, where beginning in 1968 he served as police reporter.
		Mr. Mars then became a general assignment reporter covering stories locally and in Europe and the Middle East.
		After a leave of absence with a 4th Army Intelligence Unit during the Vietnam War, he became military and aerospace writer for the newspaper and an investigative reporter since 1980.
		Mr. Mars has been a freelance writer and public relations consultant.
		He's also produced a rural weekly newspaper along with a monthly tourism tabloid and several videos.
		Since 1976, Mr. Mars has taught a course on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy at the University of Texas in Arlington in 1989.
		His book, Crossfire, The Plot That Killed Kennedy, was published to critical acclaim, and within three years, he had gone into an eighth printing in both hardbound and softbound editions.
		Crossfire reached the New York Times paperback nonfiction bestseller list in mid-February of 92 and remained there for more than six weeks.
		His book became a basis for the acclaimed Oliver Stone film, JFK.
		Mr. Mars served as a chief consultant for both the film screenplay and production.
		In May of 77, Mars' in-depth investigation of UFOs, The Alien Agenda, was published by HarperCollins.
		In less than two months, Alien Agenda had garnered many positive reviews, itself going into an eighth printing.
		In 98, Mr. Mars will be featured speaker at a number of national conferences, including the 7th Annual International UFO Congress and the 6th Annual Gulf Breeze UFO Conference.
		An award-winning journalist, Mr. Mars is listed in both Who's Who in the World and Who's Who in America.
		Mr. Mars has and photography awards, including the Aviation Aerospace Writers Association National Writing Award and in as Newsmaker of the Year award from the Fort Worth chapter of the Society of Professional Journalists.
		In 1993, Mr. Morris received Freedom Magazine's Human Rights Leadership Award.
		Jim Morris is a busy guy.
		Jim, welcome to the program.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Lots of things to talk about tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There certainly are, beginning with the whole business surrounding the president.
		I guess that's where we ought to start off.
		The Dallas Morning News denying a story that, actually retracting a story, that a Secret Service agent had caught the President with his pants down.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, and that sounds pretty bogus to me to begin with because the Secret Service is there to protect the President, both physically and also his reputation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so they'd be very unlikely to ever do anything like this.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Unless it was part of some hidden plan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here we go.
		Is there more to all of this than is apparent on the surface, Jim?
		Give us your reading.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, I just quote President Franklin Roosevelt, who was quoted as saying, when it comes to politics, nothing just happens.
		There's always some plan.
		Somebody's got an objective behind anything that goes on.
		And when these things start coming out, I mean, the idea of President Clinton having a fair, you know, I don't know.
		Just right off the top of my head, I want to say, so what?
		Ike Eisenhower had an affair.
		You know, Winston Churchill had an affair.
		So what?
		The question is, can he do the job?
		You know, and what is going on?
		Now, of course, this one has an added problem because now they've really got a legal hook.
		If they can prove that he suborn testimony, then, you know, they've got something that they can really come at him with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but all indications are they don't have that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, what I'm getting from most legitimate news agencies this morning is that Monica Lewinsky is making a deal to testify for Ken Starr, but only to the degree that she did, in fact, Have an affair with him.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		So the whole thing about immunity from prosecution would hinge on she's not going to talk about whether or not she lied about that she was not encouraged to lie by Vernon Jordan or the basically takes the entire serious legal aspect of the whole thing away.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Now we're just into innuendo and personal and morals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And according to all the surveys.
		Well, what else is new?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		We got Jennifer Flower.
		We got Paula Jones.
		I mean, what else is new?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not much.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		And I think the timing.
		You have to look at the timing.
		It's just like last summer in July, just as thousands of people were gathering from all over the world in Roswell, New Mexico, many of them asking very serious questions about what happened here.
		You got the Pentagon that holds a news conference and changes their story on Roswell for the fourth time and says, oh, it was crash dummies they threw out over the desert.
		You know, even Sam Donaldson had a hard time with that.
		I remember he looked the spokesman in the eye and said, you really expect us to believe that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly right.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		So you have to look at the timing.
		Here we're on the eve of the State of the Union address.
		If you'll recall, if you'll recall, you were part of it.
		The night that you had the big open government show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		And you had Dr. Edgar Mitchell on.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we were supposed to pass it on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're supposed to have you on.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Richard Hoagland on.
		You know, a lot of heavyweights.
		And no matter what their differences might be, the commonality was that it's time for the government to quit treating us, the taxpayers, the people who work half a year to send them money so that they can lord it over us.
		It's time for them to quit treating us like a bunch of backward children.
		And they've got to come clean with what's going on.
		And of course, if you'll also recall, there were plans to publish a full-page ad in the Washington Post, an open letter to President Clinton saying it is now time to level with us and tell us what is really going on here since we now know on the basis of the Webb Hubble book and on what Dr. Stephen Greer has said that there has been serious consideration and serious meetings held up to and inside the White House concerning the UFO situation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have those plans now been put on hold?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		It's been shelved for the time being because nobody, you know, he's got his problems.
		Nobody wants to look like they're going to kick the guy while he's down.
		It put a stop to this growing momentum to demand openness in government.
		And this is something I think that we can all get behind.
		It doesn't matter what your listeners think about UFOs personally.
		They can be big believers or non-believers or skeptics in between.
		But I think we can all agree that the time has long since passed when we in this country, who like to think of ourselves as free and democratic people, can be manipulated by hidden masters.
		Because when the President of the United States and the head of the Central Intelligence Agency and ranking military people and ranking congressmen cannot get to truthful information, we've got a real crisis and it's far deeper and far more serious than somebody having an affair.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I sure agree with that.
		But this is going to bring everything for a time to a screeching halt.
		So timing, you say, is everything.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I guess how do you look at this downline in terms of the president's being able to address anything at all like this or anything beyond this immediate problem that he's got?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, I try to sit back.
		See, my problem, Art, is that I go all the way back to the Kennedy assassination.
		I sit there the whole weekend, watched everything, you know, and thought I had a good handle on it.
		And then when Ruby steps forward and kills Oswald in the basement of the police station, I go, wait a minute.
		And then I patiently waited for a time and then actually read the Warren report, which was something that very few people, even at that time, actually ever read it.
		They just read the newspapers and what the media said about it.
		And I read the report, and the report just didn't even make any sense to me.
		There was just too many holes and inconsistencies in it, and it was not very clear about what they were trying to say.
		And then just a month or two after the Warren report came out, which was in late September of 64, I interviewed General Edwin Walker in Dallas.
		And he told me what I have since found out from many, many other people in Dallas.
		He said, listen, he called Jack Ruby Rubenstein, because Jack Ruby was Jewish.
		And he said, Rubenstein and Oswald knew each other.
		They were connected here in Dallas.
		Everybody knows that.
		He said, that report's funny, and they're going to start over just on that fact alone.
		And since then, I've found out that there's many, many other people in Dallas who also saw him together and knew that there was a connection between Ruby and Oswald.
		So starting from that point, I just take everything with the largest grain of salt possible.
		And as you can see from your own experience, we had the big oil crisis, you know, the gasoline shortage, red flags in the gas station.
		Oh, my God, we don't have any more petroleum.
		Well, that's bogus.
		That turned out to be a hoax.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, as a matter of fact, prices have been precipitously falling for light sweet crude.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Down, down, down.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now we're looking at a crisis with Iraq.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you see occurring there?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a good question.
		First, you have to go back and realize that Saddam Hussein undoubtedly is a two-bit tin-horned dictator.
		But for so many years, he was our two-bit tin-horned dictator.
		And we supplied him with all the materials and war materials and ammunition and all the equipment he needed to fight that eight-year war with Iran.
		He was then our big boogaboo.
		Everybody remember the Ayatollah?
		You know, let's not forget that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		And you just have to, everything seems like it's a deal because then when his whole country was on its knees there financially because of that eight-year war with Iran, so he started figuring out how he could make some money.
		So he went to OPEC and he tried to get them to up the oil prices, or at least for Iraq, and they wouldn't go for it.
		They said the deals are all cut.
		You're not going to upset the apple card.
		So then he says, well, maybe I'll just go in.
		So then he calls the international bankers that have made all the loans to him, and he says, look, I can't pay.
		And it's that when he defaulted on those banknotes, that's when he became the new Hitler, because they can't allow him to get away with that, because then Mexico, Argentina, even the United States might say, well, gee, we can't pay either.
		And there goes the international banking system.
		They can't have that.
		So now he's got to be punished.
		So then, in the meantime, he's trying to figure out what he's going to do.
		So he says, well, I'll just go take back Kuwait, which was pretty much illegally carved out of Iraq by the British Army by force in 1963.
		And he said, I'll just get those oil reserves and I'll have more oil.
		And so he comes to April Glasby, U.S. ambassador, and says, what are y'all going to do if I invade Kuwait?
		And he's told almost verbatim, well, that's an Arab problem.
		We don't have any real position on that.
		Well, what does that sound like?
		Sounds like do what you want to do.
		So he invades Kuwait, and bango.
		Off we go, man, into this huge war.
		And I will say this, the United States military behaved brilliantly.
		They took on the third largest military power in the world and whipped them inside a month.
		And yet, just as they were closing in, just as the pinchers were about to slam shut, and just about the time that that whole thing was going to get resolved over there and we'd be able to sort it out and clear it all up, it stopped.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Talk to me about...
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Now, what's that all about?
		I'll tell you what it's about.
		He picked up the telephone, told his bankers he'd start paying his interest, and they stopped the war.
		So what I'm telling you already is something that you already well know.
		It's all a deal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I want to talk about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We did a show on open government, but a lot of people, you may recall the attorney we had on on that open show, think that we have a secret government and that trying to address all of this directly to our government, our representatives, is a hopeless case.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, I had a big discussion with Peter Gerston right after that.
		And I got to tell you that I tend to agree with him.
		But here's where Peter and I got into it.
		And I hope I'm not putting words in his mouth, but I think he and I both agreed that because I agree with him, I think that I think it's really far along.
		And I hear it every day, Art, and I know you do too.
		The guy on the street says, but Art, what can I do about it?
		I'm just one person.
		And there is that feeling, and they propagate that feeling.
		But here's the thing.
		We cannot allow ourselves to be broken into these two sections, to be divided into, let's let the government take care of it, or don't trust the government and don't tell the government anything.
		We've got to be right in the middle.
		We've got to push for our constitutional rights.
		We've got to see that our elected representatives do represent us and do the things that they should be doing.
		But at the same time, we need to take the bit in our mouth and we need to plow ahead.
		And people who are privately investigating a wide range of issues, they need to keep investigating.
		Alternative media needs to keep spreading.
		Talk shows like The Art Bell Show, Dreamland, needs to keep going, and we need to start improving our own condition.
		In fact, I'm echoing probably what your book, The Quickening, said.
		It's time that we do take charge and start changing our attitudes and start changing our thinking.
		And by the way, I don't know if you have aware of this or not, but I thought I'd share that just a week or so ago, Dr. Tom Van Flendem, doctorate in astronomy, Yale University, 1991.
		He was chief of the Celestial Mechanics Branch at U.S. Naval Observatory.
		And he announced to the 191st National Meeting of the American Astronomical Society, which is not exactly a bunch of kooks and weirdos, that he had done a three-year study of the face on Mars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, oh, yes.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		And you've got that, and that it was not an optical illusion or a natural feature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		So I would like to echo his admonition to these astronomers.
		He said, I suggest in view of these test results, we prepare ourselves for a cultural shock certainly unrivaled in recent times.
		And we all need to start preparing ourselves for some shocks because we need to start changing the way that we do business.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, Richard Hoagland has been on that for years.
		I know that you've talked with Richard recently.
		Is he aware of the Van Flandren statement?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sure he is.
		I'm sure he is.
		But what I was intrigued by was his little comment about how he's basically saying, you guys better get ready to start shifting your paradigm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brookings Institute stuff, huh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		By the way, here's another.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		I hope this isn't off on too much of a tangent, but I know you had David Oates on talking about the reverse speech, and I know one of the callers just a little while ago said, Sure, would like to know what the reverse speech analysis would be on Clinton's deal?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the pronouncement of innocence.
unidentified		Right.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me tell you something.
		Here's a thought for you, okay?
		I know y'all went on and on about when Clinton was a previous speech, and the reverse speech analysis showed that what he was really saying was to hell with the earth, the desert will answer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Remember that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very vivid.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		And nobody could seem to figure out what the heck does that mean.
unidentified		Right.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me give you one little interpretation that has been suggested that's really intriguing to me.
		And it goes along with what we were speaking about.
		One of the things that they have used, they, meaning the people who are in control of the UFO issue, have used very successfully over the years to keep leadership quiet about this is the threat that if the people learn about the UFO situation, if it's openly discussed, it could lead to an open invasion, okay, and perhaps even the destruction of the earth.
		I mean, that's the bottom line.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, okay, indeed.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		The first line, when he says to hell with the earth, has been interpreted to be saying that, well, to hell with this destruction of the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Story's got a break.
		All right, hold on, Jim.
		We'll be right back to you.
		Jim Mars is my guest.
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		Now, here again is Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here again, I am.
		Jim Mars is my guest.
		He'll be right back.
		We're discussing, well, what's going on with the president?
		We're discussing the secret government.
		And we're discussing, we're about to be discussing, UFOs, secrecy, and agendas.
		Once again, here is Jim Marrs.
		Jim, I've got a facts here asking, please ask Jim Morris to clarify what his remote viewer friend David Morehouse saw concerning ATs.
		I talked to David Morehouse, and he referred to Jim Morris as a knowledgeable person on remote viewing.
		What exactly did David Morehouse see in his visions?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a great question.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		In fact, I'm going to tell you that it was my investigation and study of remote viewing that led to me writing the book on Alien Agenda, my book, Alien Agenda.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have not heard you say that before.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, and here's why.
		Prior to that, I've been keeping up with the UFO situation, studying it, reading everything that came along since the 50s almost.
		But like most everybody else, I was having trouble putting it all together, and I was having trouble, thanks to the maddening lack of physical evidence, I wasn't certain enough to write something for a wide audience and say, this is it.
		And yet that's what everybody wanted to know.
		What is it?
		What's going on?
		It was the remote viewing that pushed me over the edge.
		It was the remote viewing that showed me that it is real.
		And this is why the government has tried to downplay and poo-poo the whole remote viewing thing.
		Art and your audience, listen to this.
		Every single military-trained remote viewer had direct knowledge of the UFOs and the ETs.
		Every one of them.
		Even Dave Morehouse, who doesn't put a lot of stock in it, Dave's attitude is, so what?
		Yeah, they're all out there, but so what?
		We got problems enough here on this earth.
		And I think you could make a good argument for that.
		Others are very fascinated with the whole thing.
		But the point is, they all saw it.
		They all know it's real.
		And that's why the government had to clamp down on the distribution of information about remote viewing, because they didn't want everybody to know that these trained military intelligence officers who had been taught this technique by the United States Army, and it was being used by the Army and the CIA and the DIA, and that they were all seeing these ships flying around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea whether there is still an ongoing program?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't prove this in a court of law, but I have no doubt in my mind that there are ongoing programs, and not just one, but several.
		I think the Navy has a remote viewing program going on, and I think the Army does.
		I think the DIA is continuing it, and probably others.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Most of the remote viewers that I've interviewed, Jim, deny it and think the program ended too much political embarrassment, that kind of thing.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, just look at the facts, Art.
		They started this program in the mid-70s.
		It continued to be funded through four separate administrations, okay, to the tune of some $30 million, which doesn't sound like a whole lot, but keep in mind, you're only talking about a couple of dozen people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		And so they continued this for over a quarter of a century through four administrations.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Somebody obviously thought they were getting some valuable information, or it would have been stopped long before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You said that's where a lot of alien agenda came from.
		And I think I've asked you this before.
		Alien agenda, Jim.
		What is the agenda?
		What did Morehouse and the rest of them determine these walkers or whatever?
		Yeah, we are.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Let me touch briefly just on what I did with Alien Agenda.
		This is an overview.
		I did the same thing I did with the Kenny assassination.
		That was a huge, complex issue full of all kinds of secondary issues.
		And what I did was pull it into one great big thing, say, here it all is.
		Without making any judgments as to this, that, and the other thing, sifted it out to see what comes out.
		I did the same thing with the UFO thing.
		We go all the way back to the ancient astronauts.
		We take a look at the moon.
		We all think we know about the moon.
		We don't know squat about the moon.
		We've been there six times, and instead of answering all our questions, there's more questions now about the moon than there was when we started.
		Then we go into the saucers of the Third Reich.
		There's a whole story.
		Then we go to the recovery of craft and the allegations of such, the underground bases, the contactees, the abductees, cattle mutilations, crop circles, and then finally into the remote viewing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me stop you very quickly.
		There was a program about a week ago on an abduction of an entire family from, was it Clear Lake?
		I think that it was Clear Lake or something like that.
		Have you heard about that?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		I may not have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		It was put on by the UPN network and it was about an abduction of an entire family and it was run as a real program.
		In other words, with real 8mm footage.
		And UPN at the end actually ran credits like Alien 1, Alien 2 played by so-and-so.
		And they ran it as a, is this real kind of deal?
		So you didn't hear about that?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm not familiar with that issue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, there's been a lot of disinformation out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There has.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		There has, but as far as the abduction phenomena goes, you of all people realize that, you know, this is massive.
		There are many support groups out there for abductees.
		There are many clinical psychiatrists and psychologists that are dealing with people.
		You got Dr. John Mack up at Harvard.
		And I think that's interesting, too, because right after Mack came out with his book, which basically says aliens are real and they are taking these people and we need to understand this and start dealing with this, they set up a committee up there.
		And boy, early on, it was like they were going to rake him over the coals, put him on the rack, and then hoist him up on the yard arm or something.
		And yet, nothing happened.
		They reviewed his material.
		They looked at everything that had been done, and they just kind of packed up and went on off because he was on solid investigative grounds, just as I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why are they taking people?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
		The thing is, though, I don't think that it's anything to get overly fearful about because there is absolutely no hard documentation to show that people are being swiped and not brought back.
		There's a lot of claims to that, but all the abductees, they come back.
		They may have a little pinprick here, a little mark there, but they all come back.
		And let me add this.
		In researching my book, Alien Agenda, I was stupefied to find, and I'm still running into them, more and more people who, once they know that you're taking this subject seriously and are not making any judgments towards anybody, they start telling you, well, look.
		And I'm running into more and more people who say, look, I have had a similar type experience, but I did not feel like that it was fearful or a negative experience.
		I thought it was kind of neat.
		I agreed to work with them.
		And I came back.
		I didn't say anything because I don't want the ridicule.
		I didn't go to see a psychologist because I didn't think it was any big thing.
		So what I'm learning is that all of these abduction tales that we've been hearing about are people who've had a negative experience.
		And they want to know what's happened to them.
		And they seek professional help or they go on the talk shows.
		And yet, past them, there's apparently a significant number, maybe even an equal number of people who've had the same experience but don't have that, don't put that negative connotation on it.
		And they just say, hey, that's kind of neat.
		And they go off.
		Isn't that amazing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you believe that there has been a deal between those that are visiting and our government with respect to abductions and human experimentation?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		That is a very good question.
		And by the way, in my book, Alien Agenda, back in the chapter on remote viewing, I went to the American Association of Remote Viewers and I commissioned out of my own pocket the, as far as I know, the first formal remote viewing study of UFOs.
		It was done totally blind.
		The people had no idea what they were even looking at.
		It was done with multiple viewers.
		It was done over a period of time with secondary questions and follow-up questions.
		It was done very scientifically, and you would be very amazed at what they came up with.
		And that was one of the questions.
		It does appear as if there has been some contact in the near past.
		But exactly what the extent of that is, how tangible that is, what the absolute deal was, is unclear, although it seems to be very simple.
		Certain elements within our government, mainly the military and intelligence teams that are involved in this, agreed to look the other way while these people did their medical experiments and their testing in exchange for technology.
		And there really can be little argument that there has been a literal explosion of technology since the early 50s, early 40s and early 50s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That winds, of course, into the Colonel Corso story, which you were involved with.
		Right.
		And that also winds into another ongoing story with the American Computer Company.
		Do you know much about that?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do.
		And that's going to be interesting to see how that tracks along.
		But now, I need to caution everybody.
		We've got, again, this goes back to what we started off talking about.
		Everything's a deal.
		Nothing is always exactly what it seems to be.
		And I hate this because I'm a pretty straightforward guy.
		But that seems to be the way it is.
		We have to be very careful about all this, okay?
		Because...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Witnessed the Dallas morning news story retraction already.
unidentified		Oh, I know it.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		I know it.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Don't they check their sources before they publish something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm astounded at what's going on right now.
		What is going on, by the way, with the American press?
		I mean, I've watched.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is no American press.
		Now, if you want to get me ranting and raving for several hours up on the soapbox, just get me to talking about the media.
		And I can do it because I came from it.
		I worked in it for half my lifetime.
		I know it.
		I've seen it from the editing suites in New York all the way down to the newspaper in Fort Worth, Texas.
		I know how the media operates, and there is no major news media.
		All there is is big, sophisticated corporate advertising delivery systems.
		And they're totally dependent.
		And let me tell you how this works, because before you and your listeners start saying, well, this guy's just real paranoid and doesn't know what he's talking about, because I've got a friend that works for the paper down there and nobody controls him or her.
		That's true.
		Let me tell you how it's done.
		It is not in the control of the individual reporters and editors out here in the TV and newspapers across this country.
		Most of them are good, honest, hardworking folks.
		The control is in the distribution of the information.
		Let me tell you a quick story.
		There's a fellow that worked for one of the major TV networks.
		And on the weekend, his job was to decide what he would take all the feed from the affiliates.
		He'd decide what went on the wire, what went on the network feed that went back out to all the stations across the country.
		He said there was only two types of stories that he was required to get prior approval on before he could put them out on the feed.
		One was terrorism.
		Well, okay.
		I think you and I can understand where maybe you have to be a little careful about what you say.
		Don't want to upset people.
		Don't want to give away dangerous knowledge of how to build a bomb or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a little careful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		He said, but those stories generally all came back, occasionally with some minor editing, but mainly they all came back and they'd go ahead and run the story.
		He said the second type was UFOs.
		And those stories never came back.
		Never came back.
		And we've seen that happen just last year.
		You had the thing over Phoenix on March the 13th.
		Nobody outside of Phoenix much heard about it until June.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're aware there's been a second set of sightings now.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
		Oh, yes.
		And I think players brace themselves because there's going to be more.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've had a number of people make predictions that there will be a major daytime sighting over some big U.S. city and shortly this year.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		I think that's entirely possible.
		And that's what we really need to talk about.
		Because for your listeners out there, the thing I, here's what I'm fearful of, is that there will be very soon some sort of a sighting, some sort of event that the government cannot hide away.
		They can't rush in with their crash retrieval teams and pick up all the evidence and run off with it.
		They can't intimidate the witnesses into silence.
		It's going to be so big.
		It's going to be captured on film and news cameras that they can't deny it.
		And that's when the real trouble is going to begin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't the phase on Mars do the trick?
		If the phase on Mars is going to have to be something more immediate than that.
		Well, but if it's not natural, if the new spacecraft we've got up there takes a look and everything that Richard Hoagland has ever said and others turns out to be true and this was a product of some prior civilization and is put there kind of like the pyramids and the things on Earth have been put here,
		but to be seen by space from us here on Earth, isn't it going to change everything?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		The teeter-totter of our worldview, our paradigm, is going to just drop from one side to the other.
		But what I'm getting at is this.
		This is the thing I fear.
		I think that if it's something that appears, say, above a major U.S. city, and like the Phoenix lights, except in the daytime, and everybody can see it, and everybody can take pictures of it, and they can't deny it.
		I happen to know that the plans are already in place.
		At that point, the government will totally flip-flop.
		They'll come 180 degrees.
		They'll say, oops, they are here.
		It is real.
		And then they're going to play on the public fear and say, look, you're going to have to give up the last of your civil liberties so that we can protect you.
		And people who are not prepared for this and who have never really thought seriously about this, they're going to panic and they're going to go for it.
		And I just say right now, tonight, to everybody listening, you need to inform yourself about this issue and you need to get up to speed.
		So when that happens and they say, okay, okay, now we're going to come in and we're going to take over.
		We're going to declare emergency.
		And you just say, no.
		Just say no.
		Say no.
		We'll work it out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At a moment of crisis in the White House, like the one we've got right now, where this story is literally consuming everything that otherwise might be news, would something like this fit right in?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, it would.
		And that's why, and again, you have to look at it from a balanced standpoint because it can work either way.
		First off, I really do believe that there are, there's secret, well, there's no question about it.
		I mean, Area 51 exists.
		There are things out there being tested.
		I mean, you can read about it in the aviation periodicals.
		You can read about it in popular science.
		I mean, very down-to-earth conservative type publication.
		They even say it's some very exotic technology being tested out there.
		There's no question about that.
		The question is, where does it come from?
		Is it strictly us?
		Are we just really developing some really, you know, high-tech stuff?
		Or as Bob Lazar and many other people have said, are we back engineering alien craft?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what happened with Colonel Courso?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where is that story?
unidentified		Exactly.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Where is that story?
		Once the Pentagon's announcement and the Roswell thing died down, the whole, you know, first you got everybody kind of interested in the UFO thing, and then it just died.
		That's there, again, is the control over the distribution of the information.
		There's plenty of UFO stories going on.
		Mexico has been a hotbed of UFO activity for the last couple of years or more.
		You got things going on down in Brazil.
		You got all kinds of things happening.
		The first of last year, there were some major sightings in the Atlanta area, in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, and then the Phoenix thing, and then something up in, I'm vague on this, but something happened up around Boston.
unidentified		Okay?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		And yet, yet, and I'm aware of that because I was traveling, and when I was in those areas, the local media would have a little bit of coverage about this stuff that's going on, but it never went anywhere else.
		And the people in Atlanta didn't know about Texas.
		People in Texas didn't know about Boston.
		And nobody knew about Phoenix until USA Today finally broke the story in June.
unidentified		Three months later.
unidentified		Months later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Months later.
		Unbelievable.
		Unbelievable.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		It's just unbelievable.
		There is no news media.
		I mean, I was taught basic journalism back in the 50s and 60s, and it was trying to find the truth and present it to people.
		And that just seems to be by the boards today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm astounded.
		You're absolutely right about the wire services.
		I would like to know who puts these stories together.
		You're absolutely right.
		A lot of the press is lazy.
		It's kind of a packed journalism, and everybody rips and reads.
unidentified		That's right.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Art, I call it magpie journalism because they're like a bunch of magpies sitting on a fence, and you can shout at them and yell at them and throw a rock at them, and they just sit there.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		But boy, you let one of them take off, and the rest of them are all after it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you think this Dallas Morning News story broke?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Any thoughts on that?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
		I've only heard the headlines.
		I would have to really study the story.
		I have no, you know, who knows?
		Unfortunately, though, and this is what I'm trying to get to, too, this disinformation can occur on both sides.
		Has anybody ever considered that maybe some of this stuff is being orchestrated by Bill Clinton himself to get our minds off of something else?
		And I just raise that as a possibility.
		I don't know what's going on.
		In fact, actually, I think if you look through his whole presidency, once he got elected and once he set off, he and his wife Hillary and they all said, okay, it's time to really change some things and let's do things different.
		And they started talking about overhauling the health care system in this country, which is abysmal.
		We've got one of the lowest or one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, which to me is unconsciable.
		How can little old dinky third world countries have lower infant mortality rates than the United States with all our technology and all our medical, you know, whiz-bangs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even their technology.
unidentified		All right, Jim, hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When we come back, we're going to open the telephone lines.
		My guest is Jim Morris.
		His latest book is Alien Agenda, and we are talking about that and our secret governments in the face of a withering news story about the president this morning.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
		And the news this morning is Lewinsky offers to cooperate with Kenneth Starr.
		The Dallas Morning News had run a story indicating a Secret Service agent ready to come forward and indicate that he had seen the president in action.
		That story is being withdrawn, retracted, and so apparently is untrue.
		Otherwise, the Clinton story remaining fairly static this morning, still very much on top of the news.
		With the president's denial yesterday, hardly anything else is being talked about.
		However, here we are talking about other things.
		My guest is Jim Mars.
		He's author of Alien Agenda.
		He was a one-time employee reporter, investigative reporter for the Fort Worth Star Telegram.
		As a matter of fact, a competitor of the Dallas Morning News.
		So we'll get back to him in a moment.
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unidentified		The night has closed in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell is here, and so is After Dark.
		All right, back now to Jim Morris.
		Jim, are you there?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here comes the public.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Jim Morris.
unidentified		Good morning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello there.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, are you there?
unidentified		Yeah.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you're asking the caller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
		Caller, are you there?
		Apparently not, Jim.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Jim Morris.
		Good morning.
		Oh, let's see what I'm doing wrong.
		I see what I'm doing wrong.
		Are you there, caller?
		I'm sorry, Jim.
		I had a wrong button pressed.
		East of the Rockies, now you're on the air with Jim Marrs.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		This is Mark and Clyde.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I was curious on his opinion on the Seattle space junk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ah, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The re-entering space junks.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, you have to be careful of all these stories.
		There's so much things.
		You know, you just can't believe everything that comes across on the media because there's so many things going on.
		You know, we don't know if it's space junk.
		And there's been things that have dropped into people's fields and houses and stuff all over the place.
		So you have to be careful and just kind of keep a wait-and-see Attitude.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
		As a matter of fact, there have been a lot of reports lately of goo falling into people's yards.
		There was some of it up in the Seattle area, and there was some in New England here recently as well.
		Really strange junk.
		I have no idea what it is.
		West of the Rockies or on the air with Jim Mars, huh?
unidentified		Hello, good evening.
		Good evening.
		I'm calling from Santa Fe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, New Mexico.
unidentified		Yes.
		I actually just wanted to share an experience that I had.
		Hopefully you spread the word, you know.
		Me and about three friends went for about a moonlight hike around 2 a.m. in the morning.
		This is about the summer of 96 on a mountain called Monte Sol.
		In the back there, we saw some flickering lights, sort of like a reflection off of a swimming pool.
		We knew there were houses back there, but we weren't so sure about the house being in that exact spot.
		Anyway, that night, a gentleman in the southern part of Santa Fe recorded two and a half hours of video of a UFO flying around the city doing amazing feats of aerodynamics or whatever, you know.
		It was most incredible.
		I thought it might be worthy of investigation.
		I went back to the mountain, looked back there.
		There was nothing there but a field.
		Now while we were there that night and witnessing the lights, a car drove up down a valley road, pulled up to a dirt road next to the field, did a bunch of strange minwavers pulling forward and backward, and then pulled back up to the top of the dirt road and left the opposite way that it came.
		Another car came up, did the exact same kind of thing, same type of min waivers, pulled to the top of the road, another car came back down, they both met, and they both left the direction that they came.
		The flickering lights would subside while the cars were there, but they wouldn't go out completely.
		It was probably the strangest things that I've seen.
		I didn't actually see the UFO flying over the city, but apparently the gentleman has video of it.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		You never saw the source of these lights?
unidentified		No.
		We actually discussed going down to look at them.
		There were about three lights, major lights, that were in a triangular formation.
		And then occasionally there would seem to be little glimmers of smaller lights.
		But the whole effect was like a swimming pool, like light reflecting onto a wall from a swimming pool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's really interesting.
		Sort of a shimmering cloaking kind of deal.
		You heard a lot about that, Jim?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's a lot of reports like that.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		In fact, you know, for your listeners out there, any of them that are wondering if all this stuff's real or if it's just nuts and kooks that report things, if they would simply let it be known around their family, their neighborhood, their work and stuff, that they're kind of interested in this and kind of wondering what's going on and are taking a non-judgmental stance on the whole thing, I think they'd be amazed at the number of people that would start coming forward to them and telling them similar type stories.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's what this program is all about.
		We get it constantly, and I don't make fun of people.
		There are too many reports.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Of course not.
		In fact, here, let's carry this thing right back to what we started off here about President Clinton, this thing here.
		Tomorrow night, he goes on national television with his state of the unit address, and because of this scandal and everything that's going on, I venture to say that he'll probably have a larger than usual audience.
		What a wonderful time for him to crack the secrecy open about this whole thing and maybe not just come forward and say, yeah, it's realist here and there, but just enough to get people to thinking about it.
		I think everybody could agree that the fact of extraterrestrial intelligence visiting the Earth probably supersedes any kind of real or imagined sexual dalliance by the president.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure does.
		Sure does.
		And the State of the Union would be the perfect place for him to lay something like that out.
		He actually could do that more easily than he could address the questions of the sexual dalliance.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Hey, and it would look what it were to put him in the history books.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, right.
		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Jim Mars.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Is this me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only you know that for sure, but I presume it's you.
unidentified		Okay, great.
unidentified		I'd just like to relate an experience, and I have a question also.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		You mentioned that the lights over Phoenix had reappeared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		Approximately when did they reappear?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		January.
		I'm sorry, I don't have a date.
		Do you know, Jim?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		I don't have the precise date.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		It's been about, what, about a week ago?
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, in December, we were driving south of Phoenix on I-8 from Tucson to San Diego.
		And what we saw was a very fast traveling object from the south to the north.
		It was at night, and the odd thing about it was it was so bright you could see the vapor trail behind it.
		And the trail wasn't a typical trail.
		It was more like a knotted, like knots and a rope.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would indicate some sort of a propulsion system that's actually creating small explosions.
unidentified		I'm not aware of anything that's possible that could do that.
unidentified		Are you all?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it brings us to the subject of this fast walker business, things traveling through the atmosphere at 25,000 miles an hour and more.
		A story, very interesting story about NORAD not very long ago, Jim.
		Have you heard about that?
		Employees at NORAD?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		About the fast walkers?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there were some employees at NORAD that apparently, for some reason, according to the stories that I got, left NORAD and took their families and went to South America based on some sort of knowledge they had.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		That sounds like the Gulf Breeze 6, doesn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little bit.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		There's the thing.
		There's people.
		See, this is the thing.
		This secrecy has got to stop.
		I have too many sources within the military, Within intelligence, and there's too many things that's cropped up.
		People in the military, people in intelligence, I mean, you can't keep this thing bottled up.
		People say, How can they keep it a secret?
		Well, they really can't.
		There's a lot of people that know, but they can keep the distribution of the information down so that we don't hear about it, then we don't think it's happening.
		That's why it's so important.
		One of the steps that they're trying to do, Stephen Bassett, his group in Washington, is to offer an immunity from prosecution.
		The thing that's keeping so many of these people from coming forward and talking about it is the fear of violating their secrecy oaths.
		And those secrecy oaths are stringent.
		They say if you tell anything you learned while you were in the military or intelligence, we can throw your civil liberties in the trash can and put you in Leavenworth for the rest of your life.
		That's pretty stout.
		A lot of people take that seriously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was going to have Stephen back on, but then this whole horrible business with the president broke.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I thought poor Stephen Bassett is going to go nowhere fast for a little while here until something changes and there's some other new stories that begin to break.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the whole thing.
		But I think that this is a story that's not going to go away.
		This UFO thing is just like everything else.
		It's picking up speed.
		It's gaining momentum.
		Things are really happening.
		And by the way, before I forget about it, and I'll have people that chew me out, you can get Alien Agenda.
		It's got all of this in here.
		It's got everything we're talking about, including who's behind the secrecy, the flow chart of the organization that's in charge of the GFO question, as well as it addresses some of the questions as to, well, then what are they all about and what is the alien agenda?
		And you can get that, of course, at any major bookstore, ask them to order if they don't have it.
		Or you can call it, I've got an 800 number I can give.
		Can I give it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it's an 800 number.
		Everybody grab your pencils.
		It's 1-800-905-8367.
		That's 905-8367.
		And they can pick up a telephone right now and order a copy.
		And the thing is, this book really was not written for the true believers, Art.
		I mean, you know, they're there, they're already, you know, no sense in preaching to the choir.
		This was written for the people who just are kind of wondering about, is there really anything to all of this?
		This is a book that was written to give to your parents, to your neighbors, to your friends who say, you don't really believe in that junk, do you?
		To somebody who's had an experience or knows that there's something going on.
		This is the book that's got it all between the two covers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Colonel Corso, your part in the whole Corso story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did you do and when did you do it?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've only kept up with the Corso story.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		In fact, his book came out about the same time mine did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		And what it did was lend, of course, the two complement each other because his book lends considerable weight to what I wrote in here about the government and military secrecy and the fact that obviously something was going on and my argument that something actually happened at Roswell.
		Of course, again, we do have to be careful because there's so much going on.
		For instance, the thing at Roswell, there's no doubt in my mind that some sort of craft that was not a conventional craft crashed.
		Okay?
		I don't think there's any question about that.
		Now, the question is, was it truly extraterrestrial, or has that been a cover story that's been mounted over the years?
		Because there's also evidence that we picked up some very sophisticated, advanced technological craft from the Germans at the end of World War II.
		They had flying saucers on the drawing board.
		There's no question about that.
		That's historical fact.
		Now, the question is, did they actually fly some?
		Were they really able to make them work?
		And that's what we don't know about.
		But there's a whole fascinating story that's covered in Aglien Agenda about how the SS commander who was in charge of their top secret projects disappeared.
		And along with their top secret projects, leaving behind the V-2 rockets, which, of course, we got hold of along with Von Braun and Dornberger and the rest of them, brought them back over to this country.
		And that's what started our missile program, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is absolutely correct.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		So what did this guy take off with?
		It was even more secret than that.
		It's a real issue.
		There's so much going on that we probably don't know about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildhard Line, you're on the air with Jim Morris.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yeah, good morning.
		This is Dan in Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Dan.
unidentified		Or I want to congratulate you on finally leaving the herd.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, until there is something to be stampeding about, I refuse to join in.
unidentified		Oh, that's fantastic because we really need to get to the meat of what's really happening, and I think Jim's right on.
		Jim, you were getting ready to bring up a really important point before you didn't have a chance to finish it.
		It was concerning what the president was saying about the desert.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the reverse speech interpretation.
unidentified		Yes.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Okay, let me finish that real quick then.
		Thank you for bringing that back up.
		That just kind of got set over to the side.
		The statement that apparently they got in analyzing with reverse speech was he said to hell with the, and keep in mind, this was when they were asking him about this sex scandal thing.
		And he says, to hell with the earth, the desert will answer.
		Which, you know, that doesn't sound like he's got anything at all to do with that.
		Apparently his mind's on other things, okay?
		And as I pointed out first, to hell with the earth, there is the interpretation that what he means by that is that the way that people, including presidents, have been muzzled over the years about this issue is to tell them that if they speak out, it could cause widespread social disruption and perhaps launch an invasion against the earth and destroy the earth.
		Well, that's pretty serious stuff.
		A lot of people think twice before they bring that up.
		But I think that that's just about played out its last because to me anyway, it's obvious that there's nobody Out there with an immediate goal of conquering the earth because if that was what they wanted to do and if they had technology to the point to where they could go interstellar travel or go through walls or some of this stuff that's been reported that UFOs can do, knock out you know computers and all electromagnetic equipment, hey, they would have invaded us long before now, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the reference to the desert?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so the thing is, to hell with the earth, to hell with this argument that I can't talk or it mean destruction of the earth, the desert will answer.
		Where's Area 51?
		In the desert.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure is.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		That's where the answers are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with a man who has the answers, Jim Mars.
unidentified		Hello.
		Okay, this is John with Houston.
		Houston.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, all right.
unidentified		All right.
		What bothers me about the part about them dealing with our government is that why would they be the kind of race or civilization, whatever, that would want to cut such a deal with our government to, say, play around with us or use us for experiments or whatever, any kind of negative thing.
		If they were such an intelligent being, it seems to me like they would come here for more, nicer things than that.
		But I just hope that they don't think that we're like our government.
		The rest of the world is like them.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, see, you just put your finger, I think, on what may be the real deal.
		Because when I'm talking about the government, we're not talking about the many hard-working postal employees or the Forest Service people or even those old IRS agents that are doing their job faithfully, and even despite all the flack they get.
		We're talking about those handful of military and intelligence teeth who are up there at the top of the pyramid, and they and they alone know what's going on, and they and they alone make the decisions.
		Now, they are not, you know, especially right now today, they're not very representative of the rest of us.
		And I think that's what happened is, and this is all covered in my book, Alien Agenda, is that they are in touch with a faction of an alien race, okay, that I guess I would best describe as the hawks, okay?
		So the hawks are dealing with the hawks, and they're cutting their deals based on their own imperatives on the things they want done.
		Our guys want technology, they want that power, and they want to do their manipulation, possibly for their own self-preservation and survival, which could be one of the strongest imperatives going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Jim, hold tight.
		We'll be right back to you.
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		And Jim, you're not going to believe who I've got on the line from Washington, D.C., here is Steve Bassett.
		Steve?
steve bassett ▲ ● ▼		This is poor Steve and Art.
steve bassett ▲ ● ▼		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just fine.
steve bassett ▲ ● ▼		Jim, I wanted to raise a couple things.
steve bassett ▲ ● ▼		But first, I want to take this opportunity to publicly thank you for flying out from Dallas area to Phoenix on your own nickel, using up some of those precious book royalties, to show the flag for Frances Emma Barwood in Phoenix on her press conference when she announced her candidacy.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		She's a delightful lady, isn't she?
steve bassett ▲ ● ▼		She's one of a kind.
		And Jim also attended some meetings afterwards, some think meetings we had to kind of address some of the complicated issues that she's going to face.
		I know Jim's going to be a supporter of hers through the campaign.
		This is the kind of personal commitment that you really have to appreciate in this field.
		Jim, you raised several things earlier, which I just had to talk to.
		And if the honorable gentleman from Texas will yield a Few minutes to the honorable gentleman from Maryland.
		I'd like to address him if I could.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		First of all, I think what you may be getting into, Steve, would you agree with me that if President Clinton, regardless of his problems, if he was to come out and level with the American people, don't you think that he might be surprised at the breadth and depth of a constituency that he may find out here?
steve bassett ▲ ● ▼		That's an understatement, but I think I'm going to go one step further.
steve bassett ▲ ● ▼		I think it's I'm just going to let your listeners know that for the last four days, a very intense concerted effort has been underway to get information to the President's chief advisers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know that you I've seen internet messages, Stephen, that you were desperately trying to get numbers for the President's advisors.
steve bassett ▲ ● ▼		exactly what do you want to tell them I did receive help well the message that we and I say we there's a number of people involved in this I think you can probably guess who they are too but I don't want to speak for them I want to be careful but I think I can say what I'm saying namely that the message we are getting advisors is that there's a lot of agendas going on in this country that are very important.
		And ours is one of them.
		It's got a pretty long pedigree.
		It goes back about 50 years.
		I think the last six years are the most intense.
		And if this old business results in somehow the removal of the president, it's a disaster for these agendas.
		This is not the way the country should be run.
		Now, so in that sense, we don't have any more acts to grind anybody else.
		However, our agenda may have a special option for the president, namely this, that if he sees this moment in history and calls for the Congress to convene a hearing, not say what he thinks about UFOs or what he believes or doesn't believe, but simply calls for the Congress to give these government witnesses their day in Congress,
		their opportunity to speak, and their opportunity to speak without fear of retribution, that the level of worldwide support will be nothing short of phenomenal.
		And I can't understate that.
		Now, we have pulled every stop we can.
		We have tried everything we can.
		We've crawled in the basement windows.
		We've hidden the bushes.
		We've done everything we could do.
		And I can say, tell your listeners that this information, the facts and the material, has gotten to the chief of staff of Mrs. Clinton, a woman by the name of Melaine Verveer.
		It has gotten to the presidential chief of staff, Erskine Bowles.
		It has gotten to Bruce Lindsay.
		It has gone through some presidential personal supporters that are no longer with the White House.
		It's also thoroughly gotten the attention of James Carville, who unfortunately is in Honduras for the inauguration of the Honduras president, or maybe to find a job for Mr. Belinsky.
		But whatever.
		The point is that the people in the government, I think, have gotten this information.
		And what will happen next, we don't know.
		One of the reasons I'm lying here tonight, not asleep, is because, well, because I like the Art Bell show, but it's also because I'm so nervous about what could happen tomorrow that I cannot sleep.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In what respect, Steven, what do you expect may happen tomorrow?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what windows have you been crawling through?
steve bassett ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I mean by that is that we've used every connection that we can find, every number that we can get, and we have called and faxed and emailed and called and primarily have been able to get information into the White House.
		It's not easy to do, particularly when they're in battle mode like this.
		And so they know, in other words, members of the presidential top echelon know that there are people out there ready to come to Washington immediately to provide tangible first-hand information and testimony so they could make a decision about whether President Clinton could launch this initiative at this State of the Union address.
		Now, what is important to this?
		Well, for one thing, it is, in our opinion, just about the only thing that might come into the picture at this point that would have the power and the implications to put this other business into a proper perspective so that possibly we won't be facing the ultimate consummation of this endless witch hunt.
		That doesn't mean that there may not be some problems here and there may not be some issues.
		The problem in this country is that we've got everything upside down.
		We take the big stuff and we shove it under the rug and in the closets, and then we take the little stuff and we drive ourselves crazy with it.
		Well, this is a recipe for disaster.
		And so it's not impossible that this could happen.
		So I'm asking your listeners, look, the email to the White House is president at whitehouse.gov.
		It's about as easy as it gets.
		President at WhiteHouse.gov.
		The vice president is vice.president at whitehouse.gov.
		And the first lady is first.lady at president.gov.
		And all this can be gotten on the internet as well as fax numbers.
		Hit the White House tomorrow with everything you've got.
		Get every email in there you've got and tell them, look, we want a congressional hearing.
		We want the president to stand up for this.
		If he does, we are going to support him.
		Now, I can assure you that when the media sees the avalanche of support coming in from around the world, the emails, the faxes, the letters after such an announcement is made, they will quickly turn their attention, which is not to diminish the legal issues that are here.
		I'm not trying to poo-poo it.
		I'm not trying to say that this is totally relevant, but I'm just trying to say that they will immediately shift their attention to that.
		Now, once these congressional hearings are underway, I can say without a lot of fear of being embarrassed that after about the 15th or 20th witness, there will not be any more talk about impeaching the president.
		Because the American people are not going to sit by when they're hearing revelations of that implication and say, okay, let's get rid of the president.
		They will say, well, look, this is no time to be talking about that nonsense.
		And so the potential win-win situation here of enormous magnitude.
		I can't understate this, that in a sense, history has kind of come together here, and we have a moment of opportunity in which a very, very significant political dilemma.
		And I can assure you that even some of Clinton's detractors in the media, when they talk about potential impeachment, they're literally, you can almost see the depression in their face.
		They don't want to see this.
		Nixon tried to destroy the Constitution.
		You could almost justify what happened there.
		But to go to impeachment level or resignation on this is something that they can't even bear to contemplate.
		They are looking for a way out of this.
		We're saying, look, let's hit them with everything we've got.
		Same thing.
		Go to cseti.org.
		Go to www.cseti, C-S-E-T-I, dot org, Stephen Greer site.
		Get the information on the committee chairman, pump those faxes and emails into the committee chairpeople, because ultimately they still have to make the call.
		And let's make it absolutely clear that the support is there for a president to stand up and do something truly courageous.
		He has that kind of guts.
		I've seen him do it.
		So, this is actually ongoing right now.
		And Jim is absolutely right in what he said about it.
		He's absolutely right that it will totally dramatically change the picture.
		And he's right about the level of support.
		I think one of the problems here is that people underestimate the power of the Internet.
		There's still so much misinformation about the Internet that a lot of people out there think that it's still some sort of a playground for perverts and people that don't have a life.
		They don't realize that the Internet is capable of generating 10, 15, 20 million responses if the issue warrants it.
		And I can't think of an issue that could warrant that level of response.
		So there is work being going on here.
		There are people ready to fly in and meet by phone, whatever.
		And I'll put out a call right now to anybody in the White House that's listening.
		Look, this is serious business.
		We do not want to see this president damaged.
		We do not want to see a change of government.
		This is not what we elected people to do.
		This is not why we spent $20 million in our election or more than that, $200 million.
		We want to see our government do what it's supposed to do, not spin wheels and nitpick and fight over this kind of nonsense.
		It's partisan crap.
		It's ridiculous.
		So we want to seize the opportunity to make something good out of something that's negative.
		Now, the last thing I want to say, and I'll let Jim get the show that he so richly deserves, and that is that as far as the ad, the ad was intended to go in before the State of the Union address.
		As it happened, there was a fairly healthy debate that developed with respect to the amnesty issue.
	This debate was waged primarily in the email world, so it wasn't too obvious, but it was intense.
	And it was, I thought, a very excellent and refreshing intellectual discourse.
	And it was resolved.
	And the wording has been changed, and that ad is done.
	But it cost a couple of weeks.
	And so, no, it did not make it.
	Now, as it turned out, it's a good thing, because if that ad had gone in, at the cost of $21,134, I should add, it would have literally been drowned out by this massive fufa that's come on.
	So that ad is going to go in, and it's going to go in after the State of the Union.
	My concern is this, that if President Clinton does get indicted, and that could easily be delayed.
	There's already been delaying actions that have been taken.
	If you probably heard, a judge has postponed the deposition.
	It's been postponed twice.
	So they could be delayed.
	It could be weeks from now.
	There was initial talk that it could have been as soon as this week.
	But if that indictment is delayed, that's a very good thing.
	And the job will be to get that ad in the paper before that indictment.
	And the reason is this.
	Once President Clinton is indicted, anything he does after that is poisoned by criticism of total political artfulness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
steve bassett ▲ ● ▼		And so we're racing against time.
		Now, to the issue that Jim also rightfully raised, isn't it interesting that when the real politicization of the UFO movement starts to really get some traction, and the meetings are taking place, and congressmen are engaged, and intelligence officers engaged, all of a sudden they really go to the last rung.
		They start wiring up female bureaucrats to tape other close friends in order to create almost a tabloid kind of scandal, something which even right-wing commentators have commented is really pushing the envelope.
		Now, the risk here was great.
		Understand that if this doesn't work, Mr. Starr is going to blow up.
		So they took an enormous risk here.
		It is a coincidence which I think deserves considerable scrutiny, though I do not have hard evidence that there is any connection.
		But boy, it sure makes me twitch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Starr is rolling the dice on the whole thing here.
steve bassett ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he is.
		And so possibly, for your listeners, it's possible that this is part of what we call this last-ditch activities, which includes the potential destruction of records.
		We've raised that before.
		That as we get near the end, when you get an animal cornered, particularly a wild animal cornered, that's the time when you better be really, really careful.
		And so, yes, they're running out of room.
		I want to open back doors.
		I want to create ways for them to maneuver.
		Last thing I want to do, or Stephen Greer wants to do, or anybody wants to do, is put these people in a corner where they have nowhere to go.
		Don't want to do that.
		But the fact is that this is an extraordinary political crisis that came on out of nowhere.
		It is remarkable in at least seven different ways.
		And it's happening right at the moment that we are almost at the edge of launching the final drive for disclosure of the government's posture.
		So I think we need to show resolve.
		We need to show understanding.
		We need to show commitment.
		We need to fact the Jesus out of Washington so that the message is crystal clear.
		If they choose not to act on this, I don't want it to be because they misunderstood the tenor of the public's interest in this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
steve bassett ▲ ● ▼		And that's all I want to say.
		And Jim, it's a fantastic show.
		There's nobody in this country that can convey complex ideas in a down-to-earth fashion like Jim Marr.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Stephen.
		You have a good night.
		And Jim, I take it you concur with most of that.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Anything that would get us dealing with reality here rather than being whipsawed around by the spin doctors, whichever side they're coming from.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a story here.
		And this goes right back to what you were saying.
		The mysterious face on Mars is, it says, not an optical illusion or a natural feature on the red planet.
		Dr. Tom Van Flandren reached that conclusion after new studies of the Sidonia region, where strange-looking landforms have excited science fiction and life on other world buffs for decades now.
		The report presented at the 191st meeting of the American Astronomical Society attracted unusual attention because sharp new images of the base may soon be available.
		The National Aeronautics and Space Administration Global Surveyor spacecraft now orbiting Mars is scheduled to begin imaging in 1999.
		So they're saying it is not a natural thing.
		That's right.
		I mean, this is a remarkable, remarkable story that's being buried along with everything else underneath this terrible.
unidentified		That's right.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to wait another three months and have it suddenly appear in USA Today or whatever.
		Let's deal with things that are happening while they're happening.
		And, Art, I might tell you that in my study of government cover-ups and issues and stuff, this is the trick.
		You cannot, you know, truth will out.
		You cannot keep truth covered up forever.
		They know this.
		What they're trying to do is just stall it off long enough.
		It's just like the Kennedy assassination.
		Today, unlike 1968 or 63, today, everybody, every thinking person knows that there's some real crap going on in regard to the Kennedy assassination.
		And yet, so much time's gone by, and everybody reached that decision after such a long period of time that it's hard to get any kind of groundswell of public reaction, you know?
		Although they did.
		The House assassination or the assassination records review board is still in operation and is still declassifying documents, and some of them are pretty incredible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How much chance do you think there is that Stephen Bassett's pleadings will be heard, that the White House would consider this a moment to move forward, not step in reverse?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, the problem with Stephen's plan is simply this.
		There is no problem with it.
		It makes sense.
		It seems like something that would be just so obvious and such a positive step that could be made, and from a very cynical viewpoint, something that could conceivably defuse this whole situation at the moment.
		But the bump in the road is that these people who have kept this secret for at least 50 years and possibly longer, these are dangerous folks.
		They have lots of power.
		They have lots of willpower.
		And they want what they want.
		And so I'm sure it would take some very serious soul-searching on the part of President Clinton for him to really seriously consider this.
		But I certainly think that it is something that he should take under consideration.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do these people want, Jim?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You talk about these people.
unidentified		Right.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		In fact, let me make this statement right now.
		I think we, the American people, the public, I think we have more to fear from people within our own government, or let me put it this way, people, our own leaders, okay, than we do from space aliens.
		The space aliens, you know, in my book, Alien Agenda, I go back and show that the evidence is very plain and certainly compelling that the Earth has been visited by folks from, not from this planet, for millennia, okay?
		It's nothing new, and they'll probably be coming around long after we're gone.
		The problem right now is the people who are leading us, the people that are running this world, okay?
		And it comes back to the old bromad.
		The UFO lands and the little guy gets out.
		What does he say?
		He says, take me to your leader.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Who is our leader?
		Who's running the show?
		If the president and the head of the CIA and the Joint Chiefs can't get to the information, then who's in charge?
		This is what we need to start focusing on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		And so we shall.
		It is the top of the hour again.
		We're going to break.
		What a good question.
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		Jim, I just got a fact from Richard Hoagland, who suggested that earlier in the day he had talked with you about the David John Oates reversals.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		That's what we've just discussed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
		And that the remark to hell with the earth, the desert, will answer where that came from.
		He says that he kind of led you into that one.
		Is that true?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very good.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		I thought that was kind of an interesting interpretation of it.
		And, of course, you have to know the background, and you have to understand the threats that's been made over the years.
		And it's simply an interpretation.
		I mean, you know, who knows?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep, that's right.
		First-time caller line.
		You're on the air with Jim Morris.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Janine from Springfield, Illinois.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, there.
unidentified		Great show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Stephen Bassett almost stole my thunder earlier.
unidentified		I was quite interested in Jim's view on Frances Barwood and her announcement for Secretary of State and her platform about UFOs and looking into what we can do about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, open government, basically, is her resource.
unidentified		Right, and so I'll hang up and listen to his comments.
unidentified		If he please share that with us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You did, I guess, as Stephen suggested, fly to Phoenix?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, I did.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		And I met Frances Barwood, and she's just a delightful lady.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		And very sharp and very concerned about what's going on and exactly what I expected.
		And of course, for those of your audience who may not have all this in perspective, Frances Barwood at the time of the Phoenix overflight early last year in March was a city councilwoman in Phoenix.
		And she had the timidity to simply stand up.
unidentified		She's not a UFO buff or anything else.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		As a city councilwoman, as a representative of a constituency there in Phoenix, she simply got up and asked the question, what was that?
		You know, what was it?
		If it was a government secret weapon, then let them say, hey, this is something secret and we can't tell you about it.
		We could accept that.
		But the government says nothing happened.
		There wasn't anything there.
		It's players.
		You know, the typical type thing.
		And then after that, the political repercussions came down.
		You know, she was getting bad mouth from the governor, from the talk show people there.
		And I watched this happen when she announced her candidacy for the Secretary of State there in Arizona.
		Here's the room full of media people.
		The three people from the local newspaper could only sit and snicker and chat with each other.
		And the only issue they seemed to care about, know anything about, evince any interest in, was along the lines of, what do you think about being the pollster girl for UFOs?
		That type of thing.
		There was only one media person way back to back that, and I got the impression this man was with television perhaps, who asked basically some particular question, something about her policy on illegal aliens or something about the state.
		In other words, a serious question to a candidate who is announced for a statewide office.
		And I thought that was, you know, here's a real journalist.
		Here's a real reporter asking questions about what really matters.
		And that's why I went out there was to try to deflect some of this snickering and snide superior better-than-thou attitude that comes across on the part of some of these media people who hide out in their white ivory towers during the day, never get out and pound the pavement, never go down and talk to the secretaries and the cab drivers and the cop on the beat to find out what's going on, and yet they have this idea that they know better than anybody else what the score is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Good, Jim.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Jim Mars.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		This is Mr. White in Phoenix, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Basically, regarding the Francis Barwood situation, I'm here in Phoenix, Arizona, so I've had the opportunity to experience that firsthand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And basically, they were giving you a hard time, Mark, because Barry Young was saying, well, she shouldn't be on a nationwide radio show because it only concerns Arizona.
		Really?
		I couldn't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm used to getting a hard time from.
unidentified		Yeah.
		But that's not why I called.
		I called because of, after the reports of the UFOs in Phoenix, I concluded that the media accepts the government response without any question.
		And in turn, the general populace accepts the media's report without questioning.
		So my question to you, Jim, is, are we as a society, in your estimation, becoming apathetic?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Not, I would say no.
		Not truly apathetic.
		Apathetic means you really just don't care.
		And I cannot bring myself to believe that all of my fellow Americans out there really don't care.
		What it is, I think, is a very natural psychological response.
		Psychologists will tell you, you know, when they do testing and stuff, if you get a person confused, one person says one thing, one charge, countercharge, claim and counterclaim.
		When they start getting confused, they tend to turn off.
		They say, oh, wait a minute, let's talk about something else.
		I don't want to hear this anymore.
unidentified		Okay?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		And I think that's what's going on.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		But do you understand that that's different from truly not caring?
unidentified		Oh, I do, but it's just that I've talked to so many people, and the vast majority of them have no opinion at all.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, there definitely is the dumbing down of this nation.
		And again, it comes back to the news media.
		The news media cannot tell us how to think, but it certainly tells us what to think about.
unidentified		I agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		It certainly is doing that right now.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that the truth?
		Well, thank you, Art, for injecting a little bit of rationality into this.
		And, you know, let's step out of the stampede for a little bit and watch and see where it's going before we decide if we want to join or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The only way to get perspective.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Mars.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Colling from Cincinnati.
		I think you brought up the point that the media is the problem.
		And the media is really owned by big business.
		It's owned by Perindustrial Complex.
		Absolutely.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		You've got General Electric, and you've got Westinghouse that owns two of the major networks.
		And these are the largest producers of arms in the world, which, you know, we don't really like to think about this, but in this country today, 1998, in a world supposedly at general peace, we are the largest arms dealers in the world.
		This country.
		Our country.
		And do you think those people want to, do you think they're going to allow those networks to tell you that constantly?
unidentified		Well, if you read the book, Unreliable Sources, it brings that up.
		But your book Crossfire, along with others that I don't think are disinformation, books like Mark Wayne's and Jim Garrison shows evidence of that CI military industrial complex involvement in the Kennedy assassination because he was going to get out of Vietnam, splitter the CIA, and make normal relations with Cuba.
		But I think some people compartmentalize that and don't see the relevance to the present CI military industrial complex warmongering over Iraq, for instance.
		Even though Clinton is a right-winger, he's got as much military-industrial money as the Republicans.
		He has been a slightly less rabid warmonger, even though he's got along with the Bush policy of starving a million Iraqi men, women, and children to death and who favor that-wing and occasionally bombing.
		You look at the forces arrayed against him.
		They are even more rabid, such as the Richard Mellis Scafer, a billionaire who has huge holdings in the Lockheed Martin Marietta military industrial complex in Poland that he's funding.
		He's closely associated with Kenneth Starr, funded as many of these right-wing organizations that possibly try to scare us about road states, terrorist threats to keep us in a proper frame of mind for huge military budgets and these interventions against countries that don't obey the dictates of these transnational corporations.
		And I think that's what's going on right now where they pushed Clinton to try to appease them by starting a war again against Iraq.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, here's a good question.
		Is the president, in effect, being punished for something he did not do or something he was about to do?
		These are the kinds of questions that came up, of course, with the Kennedy assassination.
		And now I think reasonably might be asked with respect to Clinton.
		Is he being punished?
		Is he being taken out for some reason?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's obvious that he's being neutralized.
		I mean, you know, rightly, wrongly, whatever.
		Let's face it, look what's happening right now.
		I mean, you know, the whole media is leading the charge, and everybody's concerned over his sexual piccadillos.
		Who's mining the store in the meantime?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes, they are, and no, they're not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On the one hand, over 60% of the American public does not think the president ought to have to leave office if it's just purely a sexual matter with a 21-year-old aide.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, but that can't be the grounds for impeachment anyway.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		The grounds for impeachment would have to be this suborning of Texas trying to get her alive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But is he of more use to those who want him neutralized, paralyzed?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me give you a little example in our recent past about how that messages can be sent to the President of the United States.
		In the spring of 1979, Jimmy Carter was beginning to knew that he was getting ready to go into the election year of 1980, and it was well known by that point that Ronald Reagan was going to be the Republican candidate, and that he was conservative, and everybody was calling Jimmy Carter wishy-washy.
		So Jimmy Carter asked for national TV time, and it was thought he was going to come on and announce some sweeping programs and some changes in government and build up a track record there to go into the 80 elections.
		Well, before that can happen, he goes to Los Angeles, and they arrest two men out there, an Anglo and a Hispanic, and said, no, it's no big thing.
		They were just derelicts, bums off the street.
		But a week later, they carried a small story in my paper that said these two guys were being held in lieu of $500,000 bond and charged with an attempted assassination of the President of the United States.
		Now, Carter canceled his nationwide TV talk, went into seclusion at Camp David, was reported as saying that he had lost control of the government, didn't do anything, and of course lost to the Reagan steamroller there in 1980.
		Now, here's the clincher.
		The two guys that they arrested were Raymond Lee Harvey and Oswaldo Ortiz.
		Lee Harvey and Oswaldo were going to assassinate Carter there in Los Angeles.
		And this story made an article, by the way, in Newsweek.
		You know, it did hit, but it didn't really go anywhere.
		Nobody really caught it.
		But don't you think that's a message?
		How much coincidence is that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a message, all right.
		That is one I missed, too, somehow.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Mars.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yeah, good evening, Art and Jim.
		Yeah, the question is, I'll lead up to it here.
		About three nights ago, either late night or early morning, I was watching the Discovery Channel, and there was some oceanographic researchers, and they were sitting somewhere a few thousand miles from anything in the middle of the South Pacific.
		And what they were doing was they got an ocean crawler at approximately 10,000-foot depth, and they had a hydrophone on it.
		And they were trying to identify little animals and everything that runs around there.
		And they could identify everything but one thing.
		And they put the tone on the air.
		And what it sounded like was a high-frequency generator, kind of a woo-woo-woo.
		And it was consistent, and it wasn't moving.
		Okay.
		And the person never thought about it too much, except it wasn't moving.
		And I would happen to think of the things I've read and so forth.
		They've seen the things that were unidentified that have dropped into, I guess, into the Bermuda Triangle, but also in the South Pacific.
		And I wondered what your take on that was.
		Unidentified.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm like you.
		The thing that intrigues me most is the fact that it was not moving.
		You know, because it's always possible that like some kind of deep sea creature, even a whale or something, could be making a sound, something similar to that, but it would be in motion.
		Well, in Alien Agenda, in my book, Alien Agenda, I cover all bases, and one of them has to do with the fact that there have been many, many reports of UFOs that slide or splash into the water and go right on.
		And there is a lot of speculation about the idea that there may be bases under the water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Does Mr. Morris foresee contact by an alien faction with average people that would counter the government contact that is in place now?
		Any hints of this?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, I think that seems to be somewhat obvious just on the face of it.
		I think that there is a...
		That is obviously.
		Now, of course, first off, yes, there are some hoaxed crop circles, but they are very obvious to detect because if two old boys and a string and a board go out and stop down a circle in the ground, you've got broken crop.
		You know, you've got crushed leaves and you've got broken stems.
		In the true crop circles, the crop is laid over at a 90-degree angle, often intertwined, sometimes braided, and laid on layers that go in opposite directions, and yet the crop is not dead.
		It continues to grow, but in a horizontal position and will never grow upright again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With molecular change in the crop.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Yes, at the cellular level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		First time call our line.
		You're on the air with Jim Morris.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, this is Lisa.
unidentified		I'm calling you from Glendora.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Lisa.
unidentified		Hi.
		Great program tonight.
		Listen, I wanted to ask Jim or yourself if you know what happened to the Glomar Explorer that Howard Hughes built.
		Do you remember that?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I do know what happened to it.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		And it was built as an underwater ocean thing, but in reality, it was built to raise a sunken Soviet submarine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't it used for that, as a matter of fact?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's exactly what it was used for.
		In fact, that was why it was built.
		The whole thing about going out and studying the oceans, that was just a cover story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is the Cold War over, Jim?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the whole confrontation between the Soviets and us, I think obviously that's changed radically.
		In fact, this is what's presenting the problem.
		See, they need the people who are the arms dealers and their financiers and all like that, these guys, they really need some trouble so that they can continue business as usual.
		And that's kind of a bad situation because then every little hotspot now becomes a United Nations battleground.
		When President Clinton first ordered troops into Bosnia, I told everybody to listen.
		I said, those guys aren't coming back.
		They're not going to pull them out of there.
		And sure enough, now he's announced that, yeah, they're in for the duration, whatever that is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, surely if they were pulled out, the fighting would resume in Bosnia.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Probably so, but you've got the same situation in Ireland.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		If the British pulled out, Catholics and Protestants would be at each other's throats again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the people who make the arms are pulling the strings.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		The United Nations isn't going in there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, they're ready to go into Iraq.
		So again, though, the people who make the arms, Jim, are the ones pulling the strings.
		Is that right?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Probably so.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about the people with the heavy bucks and the people, you know, I could name names, but it wouldn't mean anything to most people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You wouldn't know these names.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		The people who are really in charge, you rarely even hear about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Jim, hold on.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
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		All right, back now to Jim Mars.
		And you looked, you studied President Kennedy quite extensively.
		What did President Kennedy, if anything, know about this whole alien UFO question?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		It's in my book, Alien Agenda.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		I got a little section called JFK Maryland and the UFOs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maryland and the UFOs.
unidentified		Yep.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		I have in my possession a copy of what appears to be a CIA report, and it was done in the summer of 1962, and it was a telephone wiretap between the famous reporter Dorothy Kilgallen and a friend of hers in Hollywood.
		And the friend of hers was telling her that Marilyn Monroe was causing quite a stink and felt like she had been jilted by the Kennedys and was threatening to hold a press conference and go public with some secrets.
		And the very first secret listed was the fact that she said Kennedy had told her he had been taken to a secret base and shown things from space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he knew a lot.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		He knew a lot.
		I also quote in there a man by the name of Bill Holden, who was a steward aboard Air Force One, and he quotes Kennedy as saying in the summer of 1963, they were in Europe.
		You know, remember when he made his trip over there and made the famous Bengal Berliner speech?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		And they said there was a UFO conference taking place in Bonn, Germany, and so there was something about it in the newspapers.
		And he said Kennedy was pretty approachable.
		And he said, Mr. President, he said, you know, what do you think about UFOs?
		Something to that effect.
		And he said Kennedy got serious, thought a minute, and said, and this was his quote, and this is intriguing to me, and I'm sure it will be to you.
		He said, Kennedy said, I would like to tell the people about the alien situation, but my hands are tied.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me tell you a little story about Jimmy Carter.
		I had a call from, you know, just a regular listener, Jim, who said that he went to a book signing of Jimmy Carter's.
		And, of course, Jimmy Carter, in his campaign, had said that he would reveal what he could find out about UFOs if he got into office.
		Well, this fellow went up to Jimmy Carter, who was keeping his head down, you know, the way you are at a book signing, just signing one after another after another, and managed to capture his eye attention and asked Jimmy Carter, Mr. President, what can you tell us about UFOs now that you're actually out of office?
		And the President looked up with actually a tear in his eye and made no comment at all, but was obviously very moved and knew something.
		Right.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		But so you have to ask yourself, well, what is their source of information?
		Who's telling them, and are they telling them the real truth or the military's truth?
		This is like Corso, you know, makes the argument that it was all necessary.
		The secrecy and the gaining the technology was all necessary because these aliens are bad and terrible and they're our enemy, and he had to save the Earth.
		In fact, I believe he almost says that in the tail end of his book.
		He said he saved humanity or something like that.
		Well, you know, I had to ask.
		I said, you know, why?
		You know, what made you think these aliens are our enemies and are terrible?
		And, you know, the response?
		And this is typical Cold War mentality.
		Well, they flew over our prohibited airspace and they hovered over our military installations and they wouldn't stop when we said stop.
		That makes them our enemy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does.
		All right.
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		You're on the air with Jim Morris.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Mr. Bell.
		Hello.
		Hi, Mr. Morris.
		Yeah, I had two quick questions.
		One on Area 51, and Mr. Bell, I'd like to ask you a question about your website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Okay.
		Mr. Morris, I was online in a chat room, and there was a gentleman who came up with a conspiracy that the government was going to close up Area 51 and bury it under cement.
		Have you heard anything about that?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		I think I've heard that story.
		I've also heard the story that they've moved Area 51.
		You know, keep in mind, if you were in charge of protecting the security at Area 51, wouldn't you put out all kinds of stories like that?
		Just everybody's confused?
unidentified		Definitely, most definitely.
		I would do that.
		That's what they're doing now.
		I feel that they're confusing us all coming up with all these theories.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, but I'll tell you what, just very recently I saw some footage of those airplanes that take off every morning and evening and take those workers out there and then bring them back.
		And those planes are still flying.
		So I would take with a great grain of salt the idea that they've buried Area 51 or that it's no longer in operation.
unidentified		Okay, thank you for that.
		Mr. Bell?
		Yes.
		I can't get to you online.
		I'm on AOL right at the present time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		How do I get to your website from AOL?
unidentified		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can get on the web, right?
unidentified		I'm having a hard time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From AOL?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in the AOL program, if you just look up at the top, there's a picture of the globe, the internet.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You just click on that, and then you enter www.artbell.com.
unidentified		I've been doing artbell.com.
unidentified		I haven't put in artbell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the World Wide Web, WWW.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right?
unidentified		Okay, well, I'm new at it.
unidentified		I'm sorry about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, congratulations.
		Good luck.
		Actually, if you want the whole thing, it's HTTP Colon forward slash forward slash www.artbell.com.
		That is the official way to get there.
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unidentified		Phoenix, and I was wondering, Jim, do you think that maybe the alien species, do you maybe think that they're a future evolution of us in the future?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		All right, this is interesting.
		Again, I hate to sound commercial, but I refer you to alien agenda.
		I cover all bases here.
		What seems to be going on here, and what causes a lot of confusion, is that there are multiple races out there, okay?
		And in fact, let me put it this way.
		Are they from Zeta Reticula?
		Are they from Alpha Centauri?
		Are they from the Pleiades?
		Are they from another time?
		Are they from another dimension?
		Okay?
		And the answer is yes.
		You've got all this stuff going on.
		There's a big, wide universe out there.
		And our particular solar system and our little planet is just this little, you know, one little planet around a third-rate sun out in the boondocks of the galaxy out here, kind of out on the fringe.
		So there is so much stuff going on, and we are only just now becoming aware of it.
		It's just like the remote viewing.
		This has been scientifically proved, but this is just cracking the door on stuff because up until recently, you know, everybody just thought psychic stuff just, you know, did not exist.
		Quantum mechanics, we're making dimensions.
		It used to be there were no dimensions other than our three dimensions, but now they pretty well understand there's at least a fourth dimension, which most people consider may be time.
		And now some of the leading theoreticians are saying there may be as many as 10 dimensions.
		So now they're admitting to perhaps 10.
		Well, if there's 10, maybe there's 20 or 2,000.
		Who knows?
		We are just now beginning to understand and grasp a little bit of what's going on.
		We are, I would say the human race at this point in time is kind of like a teenager.
		We've pulled ourselves out of the dark ages a little bit, but we certainly don't know everything that's going on.
		And when you look back at technology, only say 100 years ago, if you were to take a modern handheld color television set and take it back with a battery and a tape or something so you could play something, go back only 100 years and show it to the average person, they would probably just cower and cringe and they'd say, my God, this is magic.
		You know, what's going on?
		And think it was some kind of magical thing.
		So it's really pretty incredible.
		So you can see where that if somebody was maybe just 100 years ahead of us, they would probably, in fact, just within my own lifetime, I can remember back in college in the 60s studying computer science.
		And you had to have these punch-out cards.
		It was just terrible.
		It was big and funky and unwieldy and big hassle.
		And I said, yeah, forget this.
		And now, of course, now I've got, you know, you've got these little laptop computers and you can use your finger and dial around.
		And I mean, it's just, it's magical, really.
		But you grow up with it and you understand it, you use it, and you forget about it.
		And I get very upset with my computer right now.
		And because I think, here's this sophisticated state-of-the-art piece of thing, and it won't do what I want it to do.
		And then I have to remind myself, you know, computer science, even today with all the marbles we have and modems and email and the internet, this is just the infancy of it.
		We're just now getting into this.
		It's amazing.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, and computers are also developing every year.
unidentified		They're always coming out with new stuff for them.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, every six months.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Everything's awesome.
unidentified		Right, and everything.
		It's like you have to keep upgrading.
		I have a system at home, which I'm planning to get back running.
		But also, I was in Sedona about a week ago, and there was a lot of sightings out there in the skies.
		And also, there was a lot of negativity about that vortex.
		I don't know if you know anything about the vortex out there, but what do you mean negativity?
		Well, like in the daytime, it would be fine because it's pure daylight burning through everything.
		But when you drive around out there, up at where I don't know if it's Bell Rock or if it's the other one, by the airport motel right there, it was a lot of negative energy out there, and I don't know where it was coming from, but it wasn't really good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I appreciate that.
		Have you done any looking into this whole question of vortexes, Jim?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Not to any great extent, but I do know what you're talking about.
		And I do know that there are certain energy, there is an energy thing.
		We are, again, back to what I was saying about how we're just now scratching the surface of some scientific knowledge and things that seem to be just magical to us or we will probably understand more fully in a few hundred years.
		But this thing about energy.
		You always hear, you know, I remember the hippies are always going, oh, it's the vibes, man, it's the vibrations.
		Well, you know, they really were onto something because we're finding out that the human brain and human nervous system operates at certain frequencies.
		And yet you can manipulate it by using certain frequencies.
		And we could have known this all along because all you've got to do is go into a dance club.
		And if the music's really pounding, I mean, it can either get you up or if they're playing some blues, they can kind of bring you down.
		And we're beginning to understand this now.
		And so there is something to this vibratory and vibration thing.
		It can impact upon us.
		And there are certain areas, there are certain areas, particularly around military installations and security installations, where the atmosphere is just kind of palpable.
		You can just tell that there's a lot of negative energy there, a lot of very heavy energy going on.
		And I think it's because so many people there are concerned with security and they're fearful and they're borderline paranoid.
		They're so concerned with it that they think everybody's out to get them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line.
		You're on the air with Jim Mars.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, hi, Tim.
		Listen, I got a story that happened to me that I'd really like to tell you what happened.
		I was working in upstate New York as a security guard.
		And, hello?
		Yeah.
		And I saw sort of one night these lights coming down.
		It was like 3.30 in the morning, these lights.
		And I went over there to see what happened.
		And there was this thing, big round thing down there.
		And I spoke to these people that came out.
		Now, these weren't human beings.
		I promise you.
		They were not human.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I don't know, I don't even remember exactly.
		I was like in a state of shock, and I was talking to them.
		I was not talking to them in English, and it was a language I never heard of before.
		And I was just able to understand what they were saying.
		I really, it was like a shocking thing that happened to me.
		And, you know, they were telling me that they're not from this universe even.
		They're not even from, you know, from anything that we even see, we ever heard of before.
		And they would, you know, and I asked them, you know, what does this mean?
		You know, where are you from?
		And they said that they're basically going around from planet to planet.
		And they said that in any universe that we ever heard of, that there's no living things.
		So, like, all these things on Mars and whatever, from what they were telling me, is not true.
		I don't know for sure if they were on Mars or anything.
		I don't know exactly, you know, but from what they told me, I mean, what do you say to all this?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
		Let me get this straight.
		They told you there was no other life?
unidentified		That's what they told me.
		They told me there is other life.
		I mean, they obviously came from somewhere.
		Oh, yeah.
		Not at any, you know, universe that we ever heard of.
		Like, they were from way out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		That's, hey, it's entirely possible.
		It's a huge, big universe.
		Dave Morehouse, I love it.
		He calls them intergalactic boat people.
		They ain't got anything going much at home, so they just got out and travel around and see what's going on.
		And they come and check us out occasionally.
		But I remember when I was living out in Lubbock, Texas, Lubbock's a great place for a lot of fine people, but the dust and the desert and the heat and there's not much to do.
		And it's really not a great place.
		And so for entertainment, lots of times we go out and look at the prairie dogs.
		That little prairie dog village, you know, and the little prairie dogs just scamper all around doing their little things.
		And people come out on the weekends and on the afternoons, they watch the prairie dogs.
		Well, I think some of these people are coming here visiting us.
		They're coming to look at the prairie dogs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The prairie dogs.
		Wild Guard Line, you're on the air with Jim Morris.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Thank you very much, Art, for taking my call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
unidentified		Mr. Morris, I got a question for you.
		And just bear with me so I can get my view across, and then I'll take your answer off the air.
		Now, the one caller kind of took my thunder a little bit there, but it led to another question.
		If the government's, we're stating the government's doing a big cover-up with these aliens.
		Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's just a thought.
		Could it possibly be with all these preachings in the past and all that, I mean, a wheel within a wheel, et cetera, et cetera, that maybe the reason the government's covering up because these crashes, let's say, hypothetically speaking, they can be of a God, what we call God, and yet the government don't want us to know that we're greater than God.
		And I'll take your answer off the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good luck with that one, Jim.
unidentified		Oh, boy.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me preface this by saying that I consider myself a Christian, and in fact, and I am a church member.
		And I think there is some tie-in here.
		For instance, the remote viewers say that some of the beings that they encountered were essentially what they call light beings or transcendentals.
		Others have called them disincorporates, light beings, energy beings.
		However, here's what's interesting.
		I don't think that the EFO issue or the extraterrestrial issue could in any way adversely impact us as far as the concept of creator God goes, because the abductees, for instance, or contactees, many of them have asked and have gotten pretty much the same answer.
		One lady who was a devout Christian kept asking her captors, said, you know, are you from God?
		Are you from God?
		And finally, one of them said, look, our God is your God.
		And I think that's probably it.
		You know, the God is the God of the universe.
		He creates the universe, and he'd be the God over all of us, including extraterrestrials.
		The only place where the FO issue is liable to really kind of cause a problem is strictly in this very egocentric idea that we are the apex of civilization and we are the high point of God's creativity.
		And I think that limits God, really.
		I don't think, you know, and that particular concept, by the way, is not biblical.
		There's nothing in the Bible that says, you know, we're it.
		That concept came about just within the last several hundred years.
		And so that's probably going to take some adjustment.
		And there may be some ego deflation going on when we find out that not only are we not the only intelligent race in the universe, but we may not be the brightest or the most knowledgeable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that we could handle that?
		That's where we always go with Brookings.
		In other words, we are not the center of everything.
		We are not the brightest.
		We are not, as a matter of fact, even a type 1 civilization.
		We're just sort of in the outskirts and going nowhere fast.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Kind of second-class citizen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me just put it this way.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't about 90% of us have to deal with that in our lifetime anyway?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we do.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		If you're in a schoolroom, there's always the bright one that makes $100 on the test, and then everybody else trails along somewhere down the line, and that doesn't mean that they end their life or get despondent or go into deep depression.
		You just have to, you know, do your thing and go on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is all of this going to come out in our lifetimes?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		I am firmly convinced it will.
		I am firmly convinced it will.
		I was not so sure up until about 10 years ago, but I really think things are barreling ahead so fast.
		Things are coming to a head so fast.
		Things have got to change, and things are changing.
		Back in the early 70s, I looked forward and I said, you know, there's going to be some real earth changes taking place.
		And the amazing thing, Art, is that they Have actually taken place, starting with Mount St. Helen.
		We've had five major volcanic eruptions on the North American continent.
		This was something that had never happened before in recorded history, recorded history.
		And then we've had the worst, and just in the last 10 years, we've had the worst hurricanes, we've had the worst tornadoes.
		The numbers of these things have increased.
		We've had major earthquakes and more on the way.
		All this stuff's happening.
		But you don't read about it in your newspaper, and you don't hear about it on the 5 o'clock news, except just as, you know, one thing happens, you hear about that, and then six months later, you hear about something else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jim, hold on.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		For a while, it's not here in the New Orleans area.
		It was around the 60s, from 60s forward.
		There's a lot of, it's a very religious area, I might add.
		Very, very religious area, very sober area, dry counties, if you will.
		It's very interesting to me, and it went in my appetite.
		So I made a little john up there this past year and found a lot of articles.
		And I found an elderly gentleman that worked with people that had, as I say, this is a very religious area.
		He worked with people.
		He took a very strong interest in it.
		And I spoke with him.
		And he says, I've been following this since the mid-40s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, if you can't tell us any more, then contact Jim privately.
unidentified		Yes, I'd like to do that if I could get some sort of a number or something like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's see what we can do for you on that score.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jim, if people want to contact you, is there a way to do it?
unidentified		Okay, okay.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what, I'll leave you my number.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		The problem is, the only number I got is my number.
unidentified		Don't give that out.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Anything else?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let me leave with you, Art, and then don't do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about an address?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He could write to you.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		All right.
		Sure.
		Okay.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Post office box 189, Springtown, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		189.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Springtown, Texas?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		One word, Springtown, Texas, 76082.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		76082.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jim Morris, P.O. Box 189, Springtown, Texas, 76082.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild Carline, you're on the air with Jim Morris from Springtown, Texas.
unidentified		Wild Carline?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		This is Carolyn in Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		And it's time to reveal what all of this is about.
		You're right.
		And I'm excited, and I'm anxious, and I'm in love.
		It's bring the light of God back into the White House and the lights over Phoenix or the resurrection of Phoenix, which is my beloved Bernard J. Addington.
		And he needs to come out on front stage.
		And it has been, Jim, about 12 years since this was revealed.
		And I learned the truth about us.
		He is the truth, the justice, and the light from light, true God from true God, and our true President, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, and I love him very much.
		And I wish he would come back in the flesh so that we can all see him and he can be in the White House.
		There's a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excuse me, ma'am, but he is the lights over Phoenix.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who is?
unidentified		Bernie.
unidentified		Bernard J. Addington.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who is that?
unidentified		He is God.
		King of kings, the Lord of lords, the true president and CEO of Planet Earth.
		And he comes in the flesh, and he also comes from the light.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jim, do you know who she's talking about?
unidentified		I think I missed that one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm afraid I've missed it too.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		But he was the light.
unidentified		Come, Bernie.
unidentified		And in Revelations, you hear, come, Lord Jesus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, that person I understand.
		But Addington, I don't know.
		East of the Rockies, Your Honor, or with Jim Maher as hell.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Calling from Atlanta, Georgia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I have a question for Mr. Maher.
		All right.
		Do you know the definition for religion?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Do I have a definition for religion?
unidentified		Religion?
unidentified		Do you know the true definition for religion?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Are we talking religion or are we talking spirituality?
unidentified		I'm reading from the Random House College Dictionary.
unidentified		The definition for religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances and often having a moral code for the conduct of human affairs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And where are you going with this?
unidentified		I have in my possession some information from CG Issues.
		CG is social, economical, environmental, geometrical, and intellectual issues and concepts.
		This information was transmitted to me by D.J. Spa Incorporated, an organization formed with the purpose of participating and educating the masses in a more positive social, economical, environmental, geometrical, intellectual way.
		The origin of this organization date way back to before I was born.
		I and others like me are merely conduits of a source power that is John Himself.
		We serve him through our daily activities with the blessings of Jesus Christ.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, here we are again, Jim.
		Religion, belief systems, people are drifting to, I guess, their, you know, the basis of their belief systems, and a lot of them are going to Religion.
unidentified		That's true.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		And again, I happen to believe that there is a universal creator, God, and I do believe that there are spiritual matters that we need to be dealing with.
		But unfortunately, so many people turn to gurus, leaders, whatever, seeking guidance.
		They want somebody to tell them what to do and how to live their life.
		And I think that's where they get off the track.
		I think that God gave us an onboard computer, which we call the brain.
		And I think we need to all use that and figure things out for ourselves and learn to take care of ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder sometimes about their presence, whether they're really not here, whether we just want and we're reaching out and hoping for somebody who will come and save our butts, and they really won't, that we have free will and they're going to sit back there and just sort of watch us destroy ourselves.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, are you saying that perhaps there's nothing there, that it's just our imagination?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's occurred to me.
unidentified		Hopes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's occurred to me.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		It's occurred to me, too.
		So I seriously considered that for years.
		But I'll tell you what, the two things that convince me otherwise are, number one, the advent of the camcorder.
		You know, there's hardly a week goes by that somebody doesn't get a good picture of the UFO.
		Well, obviously you can't take a picture of a hallucination or a dream or whatever.
		So they represent some sort of tangible objective reality.
		The second thing, of course, again, was the military scientific studied and used remote units.
		They've seen them.
		They've been there.
		Let me tell you a little story that's pretty spooky, but this helps convince me that this is all very real.
		Back sometime back when that program Stargate was in operation, he had Mel Riley, who was one of the original, I call them the sci-spies, PSI sci-spies.
		And he is very, very good and became a very, very good remote viewer.
		And he told me the story one time, in fact, gave me a copy of the report they did.
		They realized after looking at all this stuff that it was not just willy-nilly and happenstance.
		In other words, these craft are coming from somewhere, they're going somewhere, they've got some agenda.
		And they realize that for all of this to be somehow in concert, for certain things to be going on, for instance, it's obvious that they all have one rule, which is to don't give away their presence in an obvious manner here.
		That there's some sort of concerted effort going on.
		And so that means there is some sort of an overall authority behind all this.
		In other words, what they were seeing was not just happenstance.
		There was some sort of rhyme and reason going on to it.
		And so they decided they were going to take a remote unit session and try to find the central authority.
		They said, why, we keep seeing this and this and this, and we're having a hard time putting it all together and trying to understand it.
		Let's just go to the source.
		Let's go to the authority and find out what's going on.
		And so they targeted Mel Riley to go to for, and keep in mind, this was just a description.
		They had no other way to describe it other than to call it galactic headquarters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		So he takes off, and in his mind's eye, he visits this place.
		It's a very definite place.
		It's on another world.
		He saw a ziggurat, a pyramid-type building with a long runway running up to it and two big obelisks on each side.
		And it was up on a high mountain plateau with huge mountains all around and a very still, quiet lake, which reminded him of pictures he had seen of Lake Titicaca.
		And he goes inside this place mentally, and he sees a very high domed ceiling.
		And in the center of this big room was like a raised platform, a dazzle, or maybe even an altar.
		And he got the very different impression that there's something very spiritual about this whole place.
		And he described it in some detail.
		Now, this was a report that was done back in the late 80s, I guess, maybe around 87, something like that.
		In the mid-90s, I happened to run across a fellow who had no connection with the military program, but had been doing remote viewing for about 20 years and had more or less self-taught, but had been practicing for a long time.
		And he turned out to be a very good remote viewer, too.
		And one day in a conversation with him, we got off into some stuff, and he said, well, yeah, I think there is some controlling points within the galaxy.
		There's like six or seven of these places.
		And I said, oh, kind of galactic headquarters.
		And he kind of laughed.
		He said, yeah, I guess you'd have to call it that.
		He said, I called it the Federation headquarters or whatever.
		And I said, so you've gone to this place?
		And he said, yes.
		And I said, well, you know, describe it.
		You know, what is it?
		Art, he gives me the exact same description as Mel Riley had years before.
		He says it's on a plane.
		There's a lake.
		There's a pyramid-type building with a long ramp, two obelisks on either side.
		Inside is a huge dome room with this raised platform in the center.
		The exact same description.
		Now, you know, what's that all about?
		Either these fellows did not know each other.
		This was years apart.
		I don't see any way that they could have colluded on their story.
		So that means they're either both dreaming the same dream or coming up with the same thing, or this is a reality and they both went to the same place and both were describing the same place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, a lot of what you're saying sounds a lot like what Sheldon Nidle says.
		Are you familiar with him?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Perhaps not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The Galactic Federation, I believe.
		All right.
		Hold on, Jim.
		We'll get right back to you.
		I'm Art Bell, and from the High Deserts, this is Coast to Coast AM.
		We're talking with Jim Mars, who's written Alien agenda and is now talking about it.
		Stay right where you are.
unidentified		Well, I think it's time to generate...
		To realize just what I have had, I have been on a care of my hands to
		talk with Art Bell in the Kingdom of Nye, from east of the Rockies, dial 1-800-825-5033.
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		Now again, here's our spell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Good morning, everybody.
		Jim Mars is my guest.
		The one line we've got available at this hour is the wildcard line, area 702-727-1295.
		207, you've got nothing to lose but the facts.
		All right.
		Jim Mars, author of Alien Agenda.
		Jim, there's an 800 number where they can order your book as well as walking into any bookstore in the country.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is the 800 number?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		That's 1-800-905-8367.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		It's everything you wanted to know under one cover.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		800-905-8367.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		905-8367.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line, you're on the air with Jim Morris.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		My name is Trish.
		I'm from Saskatchewan, Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Trish.
unidentified		It's really good to hear of you back on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Worried about you with that flu.
		I believe I've been contacted, and I'm just calling to find out how do you know if contact has been made?
		Is it only by dreams or other methods?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, how do you feel like you've been contacted?
unidentified		I have this constant feeling that I'm being called home, and it's getting really annoying.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		But you haven't gotten any specific directions, right?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		It's just kind of an intuitive feeling.
unidentified		It's mostly a feeling.
		I don't know, there's times when I feel like I'm picking up things from songs or just little things in dreams.
		Like, I don't know, I dreamt that I got a website that I've never even heard of before last night.
		And just, I don't know, just like I'm supposed to meet up with somebody or a huge feeling of anticipation.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's interesting.
		I think a whole lot of us might be feeling anticipation.
		I think there's interesting things going on.
		I don't really know about your individual case.
		I would just have to say that you have to kind of, but what we're finding out is that there's a lot more to life than just our normal day-to-day activities.
		So stay in touch with that, but don't go overboard.
		Do you hear what I'm saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure she does.
		She's offline now, but I'm sure she does.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Jim Morris.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, hi, Jim.
steve bassett ▲ ● ▼		I can't wait to read your book.
		Say, you know, I've been stuck in this thing about the ETs, and I'm a contactee myself.
		In fact, I was contacted this past April, and I really believe that I'll probably be contacted again this coming April, too.
		But this past April, I actually saw the triangle-shaped craft with the rounded edges, you know, at the top and the three sides.
		And the funny thing about it, it had a very small one with sharp edges, like connected to the side of it.
unidentified		What connected to the side of it?
steve bassett ▲ ● ▼		Well, a small triangle with sharp edges.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Is that part of it or like it was attached?
steve bassett ▲ ● ▼		It was attached to the side of this one that was really gigantic.
steve bassett ▲ ● ▼		It had rounded edges on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, we've heard that before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hasn't there been something about a triangle craft that, lighter-than-air-type triangle craft that carries other craft?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's something like that.
		Of course, you know, the thing that went over Phoenix, apparently, was kind of a boomerang shape or in the form of a triangle.
		Let me ask the caller this.
		Have you ever tried, you say you're a contactee, have you ever tried, attempted to carry on a, I guess, a normal conversation with these folks?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, the caller is gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So sorry about that, Jim.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		But speaking of the thing over Phoenix, Art, I'm sure you're well aware that, you know, the description of that thing really matches very, very closely to what they described over Belgium about a year previously.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, in fact, something I've seen myself.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		You know what's interesting is over in Europe, they took the thing very seriously.
		Of course, they got a news media that's, you know, they got more of a news media over there.
		And they really, there was a lot of concern, a lot of people saying, what was it?
		And they actually, I forget now if it was the French government or the Belgium government, but one of the governments came out and said, look, this is some secret testing that's going on, and, you know, we just have to keep it secret.
		And everybody went, oh, well, okay.
		And that was kind of that.
		It bothers me that in this home of the free, land of the brave, that our government can't even work up to saying something like that.
		They try to tell us you're not seeing anything.
		It's not there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know?
		Well, they manage us.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Morris.
		Hi.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I'm calling from Otoka, Oklahoma.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		And I'd like to ask Jim if he knows about An extinction cycle of events that we have coming.
		It's the same type of cycle that killed the dinosaurs at various points in the past.
		The status quo knows about it and they've been covering it up.
		But now they finally realize that they have to do something about it, or nobody's going to survive on the planet.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		I think this is going to prompt them to come forward then and start admitting things?
unidentified		They are going to have to if they want to survive along with the rest of us.
		They thought they, i.e.
		the status quo, thought that they could twist everything around to make man appear as the all-knowing, all-seeing God.
		And in fact, the six-fingered aliens are our creators.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to want to listen tomorrow night to a guest I'm going to have on tomorrow night, sir.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Morris.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art and Jim.
		I just had one question for Jim.
		Why has the frequency of these visits by the ETs to our planet increased so dramatically over the last couple of years?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good one.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		That is a good one.
		And that is kind of the basis of my book, Alien Agenda.
		What is the Alien Agenda?
		And I'll tell you briefly what I think it is.
		Number one, there's various races that are visiting Earth, some perhaps even interdimensional, intertemporal.
		And although in the past, the prime directive has been in effect, which is that, and this is something that it's not necessarily a law the way we understand a law.
		It's more of an understanding.
		When you get advanced enough to travel through the stars, you realize that it's simply not right to interfere with the natural evolution of the species.
		So everybody agrees that they're not going to do anything that's going to really interfere with the natural progress of the race.
unidentified		But in our case, we've upset the Avocard.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Starting in 1945, when we set off the first atomic bomb, we now have it within our technological means to absolutely destroy this planet.
		Well, now, not only are we creating a problem by destroying a whole species ourselves, but celestial mechanics would tell you that if the Earth is actually physically destroyed or seriously disrupted, this would cause problems all through not only our solar system, but probably through the galaxy.
		So now they're concerned about us, but they're still caught on this prime directive.
		They don't want to directly interfere with us.
		So what do they do?
		They do what we did with the Tesada Indians over in the Philippines back in the 70s when they were a Stone Age tribe that we discovered.
		You let yourself be seen slowly at first, and then you get a little closer, and then you let yourself be seen a little more frequently until the more primitive society begins to understand that they're not alone, but then they understand that you're not an enemy.
		And then finally, you can kind of make contact.
		And what they're trying to do is in a very non-threatening way and kind of a covert way, is to kick us up along the evolutionary ladder so that maybe we won't blow ourselves up and maybe we can get to the point to where we can take our rightful place as a responsible member of the galactic community.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, call it.
unidentified		That's it.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you.
		And take care.
		First time, CallerLine, you're on the air with Jim Morris.
unidentified		Hi.
		Thank you.
		This is Jen in Monterey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And love you, Art.
		Jim, what you say is very altruistic and positive.
		How about the biological testing that allegedly goes on with the abductees?
		As early as 92, we had a problem like that with one of our kids, and we called John Mack's office when he was still at Cambridge.
		And they put us in touch with a network of three therapists on the West Coast who were very avant-garde in that specific kind of therapy.
		It didn't work, and she's now dying of a tumor in the site of what she claims was a testing.
		She claimed she was impregnated, and then the baby was taken, and now this is happening.
		I wonder how many people who have claimed to have lost babies have had follow-up cancer.
		I wonder, if you say that they're trying to help us up the evolutionary ladder.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Now that's the overall alien agenda.
		If you've been listening to the whole program earlier, I said that I think that there seems to be some evidence that our military and intelligence chiefs who want to maintain power and who are after their own agendas, if a deal has been cut, it's been cut between them and a faction of an alien race.
		In other words, it's their hawks dealing with our hawks, if you understand what I'm saying.
unidentified		I do.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so we can be honest.
		And obviously the abduction experience is not a positive thing for everybody.
		And I think that we do have to be careful.
		We have to try to maintain a balance between totally ignoring the situation or totally going to the other extreme and saying, oh, our space brothers are here to save us.
		I don't think that's the case.
		I don't think Art thinks that's the case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		And I don't think you think that's the case.
unidentified		I don't either.
		And I think that a contemporary comment is that I believe deeply in my heart that the Clinton thing is merely a diversion because thousands of scientists wanted to present.
		I really do.
		I think we all agree about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I want to bring something else up, just briefly touch on it.
		An awful lot of UFO researchers, people deeply involved, have been coming up with these very aggressive cancers lately, Jim.
		Right.
		Any comment or do you want to stay away from that?
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, the problem there is you get off into paranoids, Ville, because, you know, how do you know?
		I mean, people do get cancer, so you talk about your ultimate plausible deniability there.
		And yet it does seem, you know, to kind of go over the edge.
		And, of course, again, going back to my experience with the Kennedy assassination, you can argue over how many people, you know, died mysteriously and in strange circumstances, but the fact that many did is incontrovertible.
		So, you know, it can happen, but, gosh, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Speaking of Congressman Schiff, of course.
		Oh, yeah.
		Sherry Adamak, Stephen Greer.
		Yeah.
		And so forth.
		Strange.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		It's a spooky deal.
		Let me add a thought to you here, Art.
		You know, we were talking about how that you mentioned the Brookings report, which, of course, predicted that if it was announced that there was contact or that there was another advanced intelligent species, that our society would just fall into anarchy and chaos, and that's what they fear.
		Here's an idle thought.
		What if it's the exact reverse?
		You know, when disaster strikes communities, when there's a tornado or a hurricane or flood, the people, you know, the best side of human nature comes out, and they band together, and they start working with each other, and they start working towards common purposes and goals.
		What if that's what they really fear, and that's why they want to keep it secret?
		They're afraid that we might realize that there's other stuff going on.
		Maybe we forget our petty differences and start working together and figuring out what's really going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, Ronald Reagan said that a number of times.
		If there was a confidentiality.
		Yeah, he sure did.
		Wildcardline, you're on the air with Jim Mars.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello, Jim.
		Howdy.
		I want to report that like Art, I saw a triangular craft, but it was way back in October of 1980 in central Georgia.
		I almost did not see this thing out of the corner of my eye, and then I thought it was like a piece of trash.
		It had been raining and misty, and it was like less than 100 feet from the ground, absolutely silent.
		And then maybe a few hundred yards later, it just made a maneuver.
		It just tilted up, straight up, and like spin on a dime.
		And I saw it lit up at that point in a triangular shape.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		How big was this thing?
unidentified		This thing was, I would say, 150 feet across.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very much like what I saw.
unidentified		But I've heard Art describe his, and they seem to go and just go over and just keep going.
		But this thing tilted up, you know, and I've heard the description of lighter-than-air, but I've never seen it lighter-than-aircraft.
		You know, just it was more like anti-gravity.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		And this was about 1980.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Art, when did you see yours?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mine was about four years ago, and I wouldn't say it was a lighter-than-air craft.
		I think it was a very solid craft, and I think that it was defying gravity.
		There's no question about that.
		It floated directly above me, and it was about 150 feet from one point of the triangle to another, and it just floated directly above us and kept on going out across the valley.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, my point would be is that if this was some sort of like a secret government piece of equipment that they were testing, and they were testing it in 1980, and then by the time you saw it, which is four years from today, and today we're talking almost 20 years later, think of a car 20 years ago.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's, you know, I can't see why they would keep something like that secret for 20 years if it was one of ours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nora can I. That's two of us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Morris, huh?
unidentified		Yes, good evening, Art.
		Mr. Morris, I applaud your work.
		Would you say we jumpstart the new paradigm and take an aggressive approach to the alien agenda and initiate a mass communication process and make a mass call?
		Because I understand the prime directive is that they will not interfere with our free will.
		So if we were to take an international, I don't know, work it through the internet or some sort of major PR campaign and initiate some sort of mass communication process so that will you organize it?
		Let me know when it's going to happen.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've tried it.
		I've tried it.
		I've done it.
unidentified		I would suggest March 29th of this year.
		I was a little premature on my prediction before Art, as I predicted some fightings over Phoenix.
		I've looked again.
		I'm looking at March 29th as a very opportune moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here, about two weeks before the Phoenix sightings of March 13th, we tried that, a mass communication.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if telepathy is the manner of communication, then it's entirely reasonable that we would try a mass communication.
unidentified		The government won't be able to stop that.
		And once they land, it'll be a moot point.
		I mean, as much as I respect Mr. Bassett's approach, I don't really think information is going to be forthcoming from the government for a long time.
		And I think if we really want to see something happen, we are going to have to make the call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jim, I have the same feeling about Steve Bassett's approach.
		I very much respect what he's trying to do.
		I'm just a little lost about whether it's the right approach.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Well, believe it or not, I'm with both of you two.
		I question it too.
		But again, let me reiterate my position.
		And I think this is a position we should all take, which is let's have our cake and eat it too.
unidentified		Let's do both.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Let's don't get split into two warring camps over let's trust the government, let's don't trust the government.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Let's, hey, let's push the government, tell them, look, do what you're supposed to do, try to support those initiatives, and at the same time, let's do our thing and try to get on with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Mars.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I just wanted to make a comment about how I feel that if aliens were actually shown to be absolutely true to the world, if they manifest themselves in a way that it was like, okay,
		they're here, how that would challenge people's views on religion and how I feel also that, like in our country with Christianity, and as Mr. Morris said, he believes that he's in the Bible.
		And I really feel that that would pretty much disprove and challenge a lot of people's religious beliefs.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		What would it disprove?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Am I in the air?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You better be.
unidentified		Yeah.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
unidentified		I thought I was being screened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
unidentified		okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't screen calls.
unidentified		I thought it happened one time before when I called, but that was weird.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, challenge people's religious beliefs, you said.
unidentified		Yeah.
		In what way?
		Well, I used to, I'm actually, I'm pretty skeptical when it comes to religion.
		I used to be very intense with Christianity.
		I studied the Bible a lot, and I'm pretty skeptical.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so in what way would it challenge your beliefs?
unidentified		Well, it wouldn't challenge my beliefs now.
		I mean, the way I look at it, if something can be shown to be true, then I just have to accept that.
		And, you know, it's part of the way it is.
		You know, it's truth, right?
		But I think what you'll find is that when people's religious beliefs get seriously challenged, it's going to create a lot of tension because, you know, it comes from a strong psychological need.
		I mean, that's what religion serves.
		So, you know, that's really important, too.
		It should be understood.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		When bad things happen to people, they say, well, it must be God's will.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		It can't just say it's God's will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		All right, Jim, we are out of time.
		I really want to thank you for being here again and sort of breaking us away from the mess in Washington.
unidentified		We kind of got into the big intergalactic mess, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much, Jim.
unidentified		This has been great.
jim marrs ▲ ● ▼		We'll need to do this again sometime.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We shall.
		Good night, Jim.
		Good night.
		All right, that's Jim Mars, author of Alien Agenda.
		I'm Mark Bell.

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