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Jan. 26, 1998 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Jim Marrs - Alien Agenda
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Good morning.
In a moment comes Jim Mars, who used to be a reporter with the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
And we were discussing the retraction Of the, uh, the Dallas Morning News.
The Dallas Morning News, of course, reporting that there was, uh, coming forward a Secret Service member who had seen Bill Clinton with, uh, Monica Lewinsky in a compromising position.
That story is being retracted.
Repeat, that story is being retracted by the Dallas Morning News.
Uh, Jim Mars, my guest coming up, not unhappy to see that.
The Fort Worth Star-Telegram One of the chief competitors down there, Texas way.
This year, give a gift that will truly last as long as your love.
Well, all right.
I have a large dish of pro in front of me that I'm eating with reference to the result of the Super Bowl game.
And I will say it again.
Congratulations, Denver.
You earned it.
John Elway, you earned it.
Green Bay, you fell down and choked upon the job.
And I just say it was like seeing the unimaginable occurring.
But it did.
And I have nothing to say except that I was dead wrong.
Jim Mars, a native of Fort Worth, Texas.
Mr. Mars earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in journalism from the University of North Texas in 1966, attended graduate school at Texas Tech in Lubbock for two years further.
...has worked for several Texas newspapers, including the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, where, beginning in 1968, he served as police reporter.
Samaras then became a general assignment reporter, covering stories locally and in Europe and the Middle East.
After a leave of absence with a 4th Army Intelligence Unit during the Vietnam War, he became military and aerospace writer for the newspaper, and an investigative reporter since 1980, Mr. Mars has been a freelance writer and public relations consultant.
He's also produced a rule weekly newspaper along with a monthly tourism tabloid and several videos.
Since 1976, Mr. Mars has taught a course on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy at the University of Texas in Arlington in 1989.
His book, Crossfire, the plot that killed Kennedy, was published to critical acclaim, and within three years he had gone into an eighth printing in both hardbound and softbound editions.
Crossfire reached the New York Times paperback non-fiction bestseller list in mid-February of 92 and remained there for more than six weeks.
His book became a basis for the acclaimed Oliver Stone film, JFK.
Mr. Mars served as a chief consultant for both the film's screenplay and production.
In May of 77, Mars' in-depth investigation of UFOs The Alien Agenda was published by HarperCollins.
In less than two months, Alien Agenda had garnered many positive reviews, itself going into an eighth printing.
In 98, Mr. Mars will be featured speaker at a number of national conferences, including the 7th Annual International UFO Congress and the 6th Annual Gulf Breeze UFO Conference.
An award-winning journalist, Mr. Mars is listed in both Who's who in the world and who's who in America?
Mr. Mars has won photography awards including the Aviation Aerospace Writers Association National Writing Award and in As newsmaker of the year award from the Fort Worth chapter of the Society of Professional Journalists, in 1993, Mr. Mars received Freedom Magazine's Human Rights Leadership Award.
Jim Mars is a busy guy.
Jim, welcome to the program.
Thank you, Art.
Lots of things to talk about tonight.
There certainly are, beginning with the whole business Surrounding the President.
I guess that's where we ought to start off.
The Dallas Morning News denying a story that, actually retracting a story, that a Secret Service agent had caught the President with his pants down.
Well, and that sounds pretty bogus to me to begin with, because the Secret Service is there to protect the President, both physically and also his reputation.
And so they'd be very unlikely to uh... to ever do anything like this
unless it was part of some uh... hidden plan well here we go
uh...
is there more to all of this than is apparent uh... on the surface uh... where my heart
give us your reading
well i'll just quote uh... president franklin roosevelt who's quoted as saying
and when it comes to politics nothing just happened
There's always some plan.
Somebody's got an objective behind anything that goes on.
And when these things start coming out, I mean, the idea of President Clinton having an affair, I don't know.
Just right off the top of my head, I want to say, so what?
Ike Eisenhower had an affair.
Winston Churchill had them.
So what?
The question is...
Can he do the job, you know, and what is going on?
Now, of course, this one has an added problem, because now they've really got a legal hook.
If they can prove that he suborned testimony, then, you know, they've got something that they can really come at him with.
Yeah, but all indications are they don't have that.
Now, what I'm getting from most legitimate news agencies this morning is that Monica Lewinsky is making a deal to testify for Ken Starr, but only to the degree that she did, in fact, have an affair.
With him.
So the whole thing about immunity from prosecution would hinge on she's not going to talk about whether or not she lied about... That's right.
Or that she was not encouraged to lie.
Right.
By Vernon Jordan or the... Which basically takes the entire serious legal aspect of the whole thing away.
Now we're just into innuendo and personal immorals.
Uh, that's right.
And according to all the surveys... So what else is new?
We've got Jennifer Flower, we've got Paula Jones.
I mean, what else is new?
Uh, not much.
Not much.
And, uh... And I think the timing.
You have to look at the timing.
It's just like last summer in July, just as thousands of people were gathering from all over the world in Roswell, New Mexico, many of them asking very serious questions about what happened here.
You got the Pentagon that holds a news conference and changes their story on Roswell for the fourth time and says, oh, it was crash dummies they threw out over the desert.
Even Sam Donaldson had a hard time with that.
I remember he looked the spokesman in the eye and said, you really expect us to believe that?
That's right.
That's exactly right.
So you have to look at the timing.
Here we're on the eve of the State of the Union address.
If you'll recall, If you'll recall, you were part of it, the night that you had the big open government show.
Yes.
And you had Dr. Edgar Mitchell on.
And we were supposed to have you on, too.
We had a lot of heavyweights, and no matter what their differences might be, the commonality was that it's time for the government to treat us, the taxpayers, the people who work half a year to send them money, So that they can lord it over us.
It's time for them to quit treating us like a bunch of backward children.
And they've got to come clean with what's going on, and of course, if you also recall, there were plans to publish a full-page ad in the Washington Post, an open letter to President Clinton, saying, it is now time to level with us and tell us what is really going on here, since we now know, on the basis of the Webb Hubble book and on what Dr. Stephen Greer has said, that there has been serious Consideration and serious meetings held up to and inside the White House concerning the UFO situation.
Have those plans now been put on hold?
Absolutely.
It's been shelved for the time being because nobody, you know, he's got his problems, nobody wants to look like they're going to kick the guy while he's down.
It put a stop to this growing momentum to demand openness in government.
And this is something I think that we can all get behind.
It doesn't matter what your listeners think about UFOs personally.
They can be big believers or non-believers or skeptics in between.
But I think we can all agree that the time has long since passed when we, in this country, who like to think of ourselves as free and democratic people, can be manipulated by hidden masters.
Because when Between the President of the United States and the head of the Central Intelligence Agency and ranking military people and ranking congressmen cannot get to truthful information.
We've got a real crisis and it's far deeper and far more serious than somebody having an affair.
Well, I sure agree with that.
But this is going to bring everything for a time to a screeching halt.
So timing, you say, is everything.
Right.
I guess, how do you look at this downline in terms of the President's being able to address anything at all like this, or anything beyond this immediate problem that he's got?
Well, I try to sit back.
See, my problem, Art, is that I go all the way back to the Kennedy assassination.
I sat there the whole week and watched everything, you know, and thought I had a good handle on it.
And then when Ruby steps forward and kills Oswald in the basement of the police station, I go, wait a minute.
And then, I patiently waited for a time and then actually read the Warren Report, which is something that very few people, even at that time, actually ever read it.
They just read the newspapers and what the media said about it.
And I read the report, and the report just didn't even make any sense to me.
There was just too many holes and inconsistencies in it, and it was not very clear about what they were trying to say.
And then, just a month or two after the Warren Report came out, which was in late September of 1964, I interviewed General Edwin Walker in Dallas and he told me what I have since found out from many, many other people in Dallas.
He said, listen, he called Jack Ruby Rubenstein because Jack Ruby was Jewish.
And he said Rubenstein and Oswald knew each other.
They were connected here in Dallas.
Everybody knows that.
He said, that report's funny and they're going to start over just on that fact alone.
And since then, I found out that there's many, many other people in Dallas who also saw them together and knew that there was a connection between Ruby and Oswald.
So starting from that point, I just, I take everything with the largest grain of salt possible.
And as you can see from your own experience, We had the big oil crisis, you know, the gasoline shortage, red flags in the gas station.
Oh my God, we don't have any more petroleum.
That's bogus.
It turned out to be a hoax.
As a matter of fact, prices have been precipitously falling for light sweet crude.
Down, down, down.
Yeah, exactly.
And now we're looking at a crisis with Iraq.
What do you see occurring there?
Well, that's a good question.
First, you have to go back and realize that Saddam Hussein undoubtedly is a two-bit tin horn dictator, but for so many years, he was our Yes we did.
and we supplied him with all the materials and war materials and ammunition and all the
equipment he needed to fight that eight year war with Iran.
It was then our big boogaboo.
Everybody remember the Ayatollah?
Let's not forget that.
And you just have to, everything seems like it's a deal because then when his whole country
was on its knees there financially because of that eight year war with Iran, so he started
figuring out how he could make some money.
So he went to OPEC and he tried to get them to up the oil prices, or at least for Iraq, and they wouldn't go for it.
They said the deals are all cut, you're not going to upset the apple cart.
So then he says, well, maybe I'll just go in... So then he calls the international bankers that have made all the loans to him, and he says, look, I can't pay.
And it's when he defaulted on those banknotes, that's when he became the new Hitler, because they can't allow him to get away with that, because in Mexico, Argentina, even the United States might say, well, gee, we can't pay either.
And there goes the international banking system.
They can't have that.
So now he's got to be punished.
So then, in the meantime, he's trying to figure out what he's going to do.
So he says, well, I'll just go take back Kuwait, which was pretty much illegally carved out of Iraq by the British Army by force in 1963.
And he said, I'll just get those oil reserves and I'll have more oil.
And so he comes to April Glass, the U.S.
ambassador, and says, what are you all going to do if I invade Kuwait?
And he's told, almost verbatim, well, that's an Arab problem.
We don't have any real position on that.
That's correct.
Well, what does that sound like?
Sounds like do what you want to do.
So he invades Kuwait and, uh, bingo!
Off we go, man, into this huge war.
And, uh, I will say this, the United States military behaved brilliantly.
They took on the third largest military power in the world and whipped them inside a month.
And yet, just as they were closing in, just as the pincers were about to slam shut, and just about the time that that whole thing was going to get resolved over there and we'd be able to sort it out and clear it all up, it stopped.
Talk to me about... Saddam Hussein is still there.
Now what's that all about?
I'll tell you what it's about.
He picked up the telephone, told his bankers he'd start paying his interest, and they stopped the war.
So what I'm telling you, Art, is something that you already well know.
It's all a deal.
Well, that's what I want to talk about.
We did a show on open government, but a lot of people, you may recall the attorney we had on on that open show, think that we have A secret government and that trying to address all of this directly to our government, our representatives, is a hopeless case.
Well, I had a big discussion with Peter Gersten right after that, okay?
And I gotta tell you that I tend to agree with him.
But, here's where Peter and I got into it, and I hope I'm not putting words in his mouth, but I think he and I both agree, because I agree with him.
I think it's really far along, and I hear it every day, Art, and I know you do too.
The guy on the street says, but Art, what can I do about it?
I'm just one person.
And there is that feeling, and they propagate that feeling.
but here's the thing we cannot allow ourselves to be
broken into these two sections to be divided into let's let the government take care of it or
don't trust the government and don't tell the government anything
we've got to be right in the middle we've got to push for our constitutional
rights we've got to see that our elected representatives
do represent us and do the things that they should be doing but at the same time we need to take the bit in our mouth
and we need to plow ahead
and people who are privately investigating a wide range of issues they need to keep investigating alternative media
needs to keep spreading
talk shows like the Art Bell Show, Dreamland needs to keep going and we need to start
improving our own condition In fact, I'm echoing probably what your book, The Quickening, said.
It's time that we do take charge and start changing our attitudes and start changing our thinking.
And by the way, I don't know if you are aware of this or not, but I thought I'd share that just a week or so ago, Dr. Tom Van Flandam, doctorate in astronomy at Yale University in 1991. He was
chief of the celestial mechanics branch at U.S. Naval Observatory. And he announced to the
191st National Meeting of the American Astronomical Society, which is not exactly a bunch of kooks
and weirdos, that he had done a three-year study of the face on Mars.
Yeah, oh yes.
And you've got that, and it was not an optical illusion or a natural feature.
That's right.
So I would like to echo his admonition to these astronomers.
He said, I suggest in view of these test results, we prepare ourselves for a cultural shock certainly unrivaled in recent times.
and we all need to start preparing ourselves for some shocks because we need to start changing
the way that we do business.
Of course, Richard Hoagland has been on that for years.
I know that you've talked with Richard recently.
Is he aware of the Van Flanderen statement?
Oh, I'm sure he is.
I'm sure he is.
But what I was intrigued by was his little comment about how he's basically saying, you guys better get ready to start shifting your paradigm.
Brookings Institute stuff, huh?
Right.
By the way, I hope this isn't off on too much of a tangent, but I know you had David Oates on.
I did.
He was talking about the reverse speech, and I know one of the callers just a little while ago said, she would like to know what the reverse speech analysis would be on Clinton's deal.
On the pronouncement of innocence?
Right.
Well, let me tell you something.
Here's a thought for you, okay?
Uh, I know y'all went on and on about, uh, when, uh, Clinton was, uh, uh, previous speech, and the reverse speech analysis showed that what he was really saying was, to hell with the earth, the desert will answer.
That's right.
Remember that?
Very vividly, yes.
And nobody could seem to figure out, what the heck does that mean?
Right.
Well, let me, let me give you one little interpretation that was, has been suggested that's really intriguing to me.
And it, and it goes along with what we were speaking about.
One of the things that they have used, they meaning the people who are in control of the UFO issue, have used very successfully over the years to To keep leadership quiet about this is the threat that if the people learn about the UFO situation, if it's openly discussed, it could lead to an open invasion, okay?
And perhaps even the destruction of the Earth.
I mean, that's the bottom line.
Oh, yes, okay, indeed.
The first line, when he says, to hell with the Earth, It has been interpreted to be saying that, well, to hell with this destruction of the Earth.
Story's gotta break.
Alright, hold on, Jim.
We'll be right back to you.
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Now, here again is Art.
Here again I am.
Jim Mars is my guest.
He'll be right back.
We're discussing Well, what's going on with the president?
We're discussing the secret government, and we're discussing, we're about to be discussing UFOs, secrecy, and agendas.
Once again, here is Jim Mars.
Jim, I've got a fax here asking Alright, please ask Jim Morris to clarify what his remote viewer friend David Morehouse saw concerning ATs.
I talked to David Morehouse and he referred to Jim Morris as a knowledgeable person on remote viewing.
What exactly did David Morehouse see in his visions?
Well, that's a great question.
In fact, I'm going to tell you that it was my investigation and study of remote viewing that led to me writing the book on Alien Agenda.
I have not heard you say that before.
Well, and here's why.
Prior to that, I'd been keeping up with the UFO situation, studying it, reading everything that came along, since the 50s, almost.
But like most everybody else, I was having trouble putting it all together, and I was having trouble, thanks to the maddening lack of physical evidence, I wasn't certain enough to write something for a wide audience and say, this is it.
And yet, that's what everybody wanted to know.
What is it?
What's going on?
It was the remote viewing that pushed me over the edge.
It was the remote viewing that showed me that it is real.
And this is why the government has tried to downplay and poo-poo the whole remote viewing thing.
Art and your audience, listen to this.
Every single military-trained remote viewer had direct knowledge of the UFOs and the ETs.
Every one of them.
Even Dave Morehouse, who doesn't put a lot of stock in it.
Dave's attitude is, so what?
Yeah, they're all out there, but so what?
We got problems enough here on this Earth.
And I think you could make a good argument for that.
Others are very fascinated with the whole thing.
But the point is, they all saw it.
They all know it's real.
And that's why the government had to clamp down on the distribution of information about remote viewing because they didn't want everybody to know that these trained military intelligence officers who had been taught this technique by the United States Army and it was being used by the Army and the CIA and the DIA and that they were all seeing these ships flying around.
Do you have any idea whether There is still an ongoing program.
I couldn't prove this in a court of law, but I have no doubt in my mind that there are ongoing programs, and not just one, but several.
I think the Navy has a remote viewing program going on, and I think the Army does.
I think the DIA is continuing it, and probably others.
Most of the remote viewers that I've interviewed, Jim, deny it and think the program ended too much political embarrassment, that kind of thing.
Well, just look at the facts, Art.
They started this program in the mid-70s.
It continued to be funded through four separate administrations, okay, to the tune of some $30 million, which doesn't sound like a whole lot, but keep in mind you're only talking about a couple of dozen people.
Sure.
And so they continued this for over a quarter of a century, through four administrations.
Somebody obviously thought they were getting some valuable information, or it would have been stopped long before.
All right.
You said that's where a lot of alien agenda came from.
And I think I've asked you this before.
Alien agenda, Jim.
What is the agenda?
What did Morehouse and the rest of them determine?
Okay.
These tally walkers or whatever.
Yeah, we are.
Let me touch briefly just on what I did with Alien Agenda.
This is an overview.
This is, I did the same thing I did with the Kennedy assassination.
That was a huge, complex issue full of all kinds of secondary issues, and what I did was pull it into one great big thing, say, here it all is, without making any judgments as to this, that, and the other thing, sifted it out to see what comes out.
And I did the same thing with the UFO thing.
We go all the way back to the ancient astronauts, we take a look at the moon, We all think we know about the moon.
We don't know squat about the moon.
We've been there six times and instead of answering all our questions, there's more questions now about the moon than there was when we started.
Then we go into the saucers of the Third Reich.
There's a whole story.
Then we go to the recovery of craft and the allegations of such.
The underground bases.
The contactees.
The abductees.
Cattle negotiations.
Crop circles.
Then finally into the remote viewing.
Let me stop you very quickly.
There was a program about a week ago on an abduction of an entire family.
I don't think so.
Was it Clear Lake? I think it was Clear Lake or something like that. Have you heard about that?
I don't think so. I may not have.
Okay. It was put on by the UPN network and it was about an abduction of an entire family and it was run as a real
program.
In other words, with real 8mm footage.
And UPN, at the end, actually ran credits, like Alien 1, Alien 2, played by so-and-so, and they ran it as a, is this real kind of deal.
So you didn't hear about that?
No, I'm not familiar with that issue.
There's been a lot of disinformation out there.
There has.
There has, but as far as the abduction phenomenon goes, you of all people realize that this is massive.
There are many support groups out there for abductees.
There are many clinical psychiatrists and psychologists that are dealing with people.
You've got Dr. John Mack up at Harvard.
And I think that's interesting, too, because right after Mac came out with his book, which basically says aliens are real, and they are taking these people, and we need to understand this and start dealing with this, they set up a committee up there.
And boy, early on, it was like they were going to rake him over the coals, put him on the rack, and then hoist him up on the yardarm or something.
Nothing happened.
They reviewed his material, they looked at everything that had been done, and they just kind of packed up and went on off because he was on solid investigative grounds, just as I am.
Why are they taking people?
That's a good question.
The thing is, though, I don't think that it's anything to get overly fearful about because there is absolutely no hard documentation to show that people are being swiped and not brought back.
There's a lot of claims to that, but most, all the abductees, they come back, okay?
They may have a little pinprick here, a little mark there, but they all come back.
And let me add this, in researching my book Alien Agenda, I was stupefied to find, and
I'm still running into them.
More and more people who, once they know that you're taking this subject seriously and are not making any judgments towards anybody, they start telling you, well, look.
And I'm running into more and more people who say, look, I have had a similar type of experience, but I did not feel like that it was fearful or a negative experience.
I thought it was kind of neat.
I agreed to work with them.
And I came back.
I didn't say anything because I don't want the ridicule.
I didn't go to see a psychologist because I didn't think it was any big thing.
So what I'm learning is that all of these abduction tales that we've been hearing about are people who have had a negative experience and they want to know what's happened to them and they seek professional help or they go on the talk shows.
And yet, past them, there's apparently a significant number, maybe even an equal number of people who have had the same experience, but don't have that, don't put that negative connotation on it, and they just say, hey, that's kind of neat, and they go on.
Isn't that amazing?
Do you believe that there has been a deal between those that are visiting and our government with respect to abductions and human experimentation?
That is a very good question.
And by the way, in my book Alien Agenda, back in the chapter on remote viewing, I went to the American Association of Remote Viewers and I commissioned out of my own pocket As far as I know, the first formal remote-viewing study of UFOs.
It was done totally blind.
The people had no idea what they were even looking at.
It was done with multiple viewers.
It was done over a period of time with secondary questions and follow-up questions.
It was done very scientifically.
And you would be very amazed at what they came up with.
And that was one of the questions.
It does appear as if there has been some contact in the near past.
But exactly what the extent of that is, how tangible that is, what the absolute deal was, is unclear, although it seems to be very simple.
Our certain elements within our government, mainly the military and intelligence chiefs that are involved in this, agreed to look the other way while these people did their medical experiments and their testing in exchange for technology.
And there really can be little argument that there has been a literal explosion of technology Since the early 50s, early 40s and early 50s.
Yes, I do.
early 40s and early 50s. That winds of course into the Colonel Corso story which you were involved with. Right.
And that also winds into another ongoing story with the American Computer Company. Do you know much about that? Yes
I do and that's going to be interesting to see how that tracks along. But now I need to caution everybody. We've
got a Again, this goes back to what we started off talking about.
Everything's a deal.
Nothing is always exactly what it seems to be.
And I hate this because I'm a pretty straightforward guy.
But that seems to be the way it is.
And we have to be very careful about all this, okay?
Because, uh... Nobody's being careful about anything, Jim.
Witness the Dallas Morning News story retraction already.
Oh, I know it!
I know it!
Don't they check their sources before they publish something?
You know?
I'm astounded at what's going on right now.
What is going on, by the way, with the American press?
Well, there is no American press.
Now, if you want to get me ranting and raving for several hours up on the soapbox, just get me to talking about the media.
And I can do it because I came from it.
I worked in it for half my lifetime.
I know it.
I've seen it from the editing suites.
of of the in new york all the way down to the newspaper in fort worth texas i
know how the media operates and their is no major news media
all there is is uh... big sophisticated corporate
advertising delivery systems she's and they're totally dependent
And let me tell you how this works, because before you and your listeners start saying, well, this guy's just real paranoid and doesn't know what he's talking about, because I got a friend that works for the paper down there and nobody controls him or her.
That's true.
Let me tell you how it's done.
It is not in the control of the individual reporters and editors out here in the TV and newspapers across this country.
Most of them are good, honest, hardworking folks.
The control is in the distribution of the information.
Let me tell you a quick story.
There's a fellow that worked for one of the major TV networks.
And on the weekend, his job was to decide what, uh, he would take all the feed from the affiliates.
Sure.
He'd decide what went on the wire, what went on the network feed, that went back out to all the stations across the country.
Sure.
Uh, he said there was only two types of stories that he was required to get prior approval on before he could put them on the, out on the feed.
One was terrorism.
Well, okay.
I think you and I can understand where maybe you have to be a little careful about what you say.
Don't want to upset people.
Don't want to give away, you know, dangerous knowledge of how to build a bomb or something.
Thanks, son.
Sure.
Be a little careful.
Sure.
Okay.
He said, but those stories generally all came back, occasionally with some minor editing, but mainly they all came back and they'd go ahead and run the story.
He said the second type was UFOs.
In art, those stories never came back.
Never came back.
And we've seen that happen just last year.
You had the thing over Phoenix on March the 13th.
Nobody outside of Phoenix much heard about it until June.
You're aware there's been a second set of sightings now?
Oh yes.
Oh yes.
And people better brace themselves because there's going to be more.
Well I've had a number of people make predictions that there will be a major daytime sighting over some big U.S.
city.
I think that's entirely possible and that's what we really need to talk about because for your listeners out there, here's what I'm fearful of, is that there will be very soon some sort of a sighting, some sort of event That the government cannot hide away.
They can't rush in with their crash retrieval teams and pick up all the evidence and run off with it.
They can't intimidate the witnesses into silence.
It's going to be so big, it's going to be captured on film and news cameras that they can't deny it.
And that's when the real trouble is going to begin.
Wouldn't the phase on Mars do the trick?
If the phase on Mars is not... Well, it's going to have to be something more immediate than that.
Well, but if it's not natural...
If the new spacecraft we've got up there takes a look, and everything that Richard Hoagland has ever said, and others, turns out to be true, and this was a product of some prior civilization, and is put there kind of like the pyramids and the sphinx on Earth have been put here, but to be seen by space from us here on Earth, Isn't it going to change everything?
Absolutely.
The teeter-totter of our worldview, our paradigm, is going to just, you know, drop from one side to the other.
But, what I'm getting at is this.
This is the thing I fear.
I think that if it's something that appears, say, above a major U.S.
city, okay?
And like the Phoenix Lights, except in the daytime and everybody can see it and everybody can take pictures of it and they can't deny it.
I happen to know that the plans are already in place.
At that point the government will totally flip-flop, they'll come 180 degrees, they'll say, oops, they are here, it is real, and then they're going to play on the public fear and say, look, you're going to have to give up the last of your Uh, civil liberties, so that we can protect you.
And people who are not prepared for this, and who have never really thought seriously about this, they're gonna panic.
And they're gonna go for it.
And I just say right now tonight to everybody listening, you need to inform yourself about this issue, and you need to get up to speed so when that happens, and they say, okay, okay, now we're gonna come in and we're gonna take over, we're gonna declare emergency, and we're, you know, you just say no.
Just say no.
Just say no.
We'll work it out.
Alright.
At a moment of crisis in the White House, like the one we've got right now, where everything, where this story is literally consuming everything that otherwise might be news... Right.
Would something like this fit right in?
Well, it would.
And that's why, and again, you have to look at it from a balanced standpoint, because it can work either way.
First off, I really do believe that there are, there's secret, well, there's no question about it.
I mean, Area 51 exists.
There are things out there being tested.
I mean, you can read about it in the aviation periodicals.
You can read about it in Popular Science.
I mean, very down-to-earth, conservative-type publications.
They even say it's some very exotic technology being tested out there.
There's no question about that.
The question is, where does it come from?
Is it strictly us?
Are we just really developing some really high-tech stuff?
Or, as Bob Lazar and many other people have said, are we back engineering alien craft?
Well, what's happened with Colonel Corso, where is that story?
Exactly, where is that story?
Pentagon's announcement, the Roswell thing died down.
The whole, you know, first you got everybody kind of interested in the UFO thing, and then it just died.
That's, there again, is the control over the distribution of the information.
There's plenty of UFO stories going on.
Mexico has been a hotbed of UFO activity for the last couple of years or more.
You've got things going on down in Brazil.
You've got all kinds of things happening.
The first of last year, there were some major sightings in the Atlanta area, in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, and then the Phoenix thing, and then something up in, I'm vague on this, but something happened up around Boston, okay?
And yet, and I'm aware of that because I was traveling, and when I was in those areas, the local media would have a little bit of coverage about this stuff that's going on, but it never went anywhere else.
And the people in Atlanta didn't know about Texas, the people in Texas didn't know about Boston, and nobody knew about Phoenix until USA Today finally broke the story in June, three months after it happened.
Months later.
Unbelievable.
Absolutely unbelievable.
It's just unbelievable.
There is no news media.
I mean, I was taught basic journalism back in the 50s and 60s, and it was trying to find the truth and present it to people.
And that just seems to be by the boards today.
I'm astounded.
You're absolutely right about the wire services.
I would like to know who puts these stories together.
You're absolutely right.
A lot of the press is lazy.
It's kind of a packed journalism and everybody rips and reads.
That's right.
I call it magpie journalism because they're like a bunch of magpies sitting on a fence.
You can shout at them and yell at them and throw a rock at them and they just sit there.
But boy, you let one of them take off.
And the rest of them are all after it.
How do you think this Dallas Morning News story broke?
Any thoughts on that?
Well, I don't know.
I've only heard the headlines.
I would have to really study the story.
Who knows?
Unfortunately though, and this is what I'm trying to get to too, this disinformation can occur on both sides.
Has anybody ever considered that maybe some of this stuff is being orchestrated by Bill Clinton himself to get our man's off of something else?
And I just raise that as a possibility.
I don't know what's going on.
In fact, actually, I think if you look through his whole presidency, once he got elected, And once he set off, he and his wife Hillary and they all said, OK, it's time to really change some things and let's do things different.
And they started talking about overhauling the health care system in this country, which is abysmal.
We got one of the lowest or one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world, which to me is unconscionable.
How can little old dinky third world countries have lower infant mortality rates than the United States with all our technology and all our medical, you know, whiz-bangs?
Even their technology.
All right, Jim, hold on.
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My guest is Jim Morris.
His latest book is Alien Agenda and we are talking about that and our secret government
in the face of a withering news story about the president this morning.
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Jim, are you there?
I'm here.
All right, here comes the public.
First-time caller line, you're on the air with Jim Morris.
Good morning.
Hello there.
Yeah.
Yes, are you there?
Yeah.
Oh, you're asking to call her?
Yeah, absolutely.
Caller, are you there?
Apparently not, Jim.
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Good morning.
Oh.
Let's see what I'm doing wrong.
I see what I'm doing wrong.
Are you there, caller?
I'm sorry, Jim.
I had a wrong button pressed.
East of the Rockies, now you're on the air with Jim Mars.
Hello.
Hello.
Yes, sir.
This is Mark and Clyde.
Yes.
I was curious on his opinion on the Seattle space junk.
Ah yes, the re-entering space junk.
Well, again, you have to be careful of all these stories.
There's so much things.
You just can't believe everything that comes across on the media because there's so many things going on.
We don't know if it's space junk.
There's been things that have dropped into people's fields and houses and stuff all over
the place.
So you have to be careful and just kind of keep awaiting to see attitude.
As a matter of fact, there has been a lot of them.
There have been a lot of reports lately of goo going into people's yards.
There was some of it up in the Seattle area, and there was some in New England here recently as well.
Really strange junk.
I have no idea what it is.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Morris, huh?
Hello, good evening.
Good evening.
I'm calling from Santa Fe.
Oh, New Mexico.
Yes.
I actually just wanted to share an experience that I had.
Hopefully spread the word, you know.
Me and about three friends went for about a moonlight hike around 2 a.m.
in the morning.
This is about the summer of 96, on a mountain called Monte Sol.
In the back there, we saw flickering lights, sort of like a reflection off of a swimming pool.
We knew there were houses back there, but we weren't so sure about the house being in that exact spot.
Anyway, that night, a gentleman in the southern part of Santa Fe recorded two and a half hours of video of a UFO flying around the city doing amazing feats of aerodynamics or whatever, you know, um, is most incredible.
I thought it might be worthy of investigation.
I went back to the mountain, looked back there, there was nothing there but a field.
Now while we were there that night and witnessing the lights, um, a car drove up down a valley road, pulled up to a dirt road next to the field.
Um, did a bunch of strange man-wavers, uh, pulling forward and backward, and, um, then pulled back up to the top of the dirt road, and left the opposite way that it came.
Another car came up, did the exact same kind of thing, same type of man-wavers, um, pulled to the top of the road, another car came back down, they both met, and they both left the direction that they came.
Um, the flickering lights would subside while the cars were there, but they wouldn't go out completely.
It was probably the most, the strangest things that I've seen.
I didn't actually see the UFO flying over the city, but apparently the gentleman has video of it.
You never saw the source of these lights?
Um, no.
We actually discussed going down to look at them.
There were about three lights, major lights, that were in a triangular formation.
And then occasionally there would seem to be little glimmers of smaller lights.
But the whole effect was like a swimming pool.
Like light reflecting onto a wall from a swimming pool.
Oh, that's really interesting.
Sort of a shimmering, cloaking kind of deal.
You heard a lot about that, Jim?
Yeah, there's a lot of reports like that.
In fact, you know, for your listeners out there, any of them that are wondering if all this stuff is for real or if it's just nuts and kooks that report things, if they would simply let it be known around their family, their neighborhood, their work and stuff, that they're kind of interested in this and kind of wondering what's going on and are taking a non-judgmental stance on the whole thing, I think they'd be amazed at the number of people that would start coming forward to them and telling them similar type stories.
That's what this program is all about.
We get it constantly, and I don't make fun of people.
There aren't too many reports.
Of course not.
In fact, here, let's carry this thing right back to what we started off here about President Clinton, this thing here.
Tomorrow night he goes on national television with his State of the Union address, and because of this scandal and everything that's going on, I venture to say that he'll probably have a larger than usual audience.
What a wonderful time for him to crack the secrecy open about this whole thing and maybe, you know, maybe not just come forward and say, yeah, Israel is here and there, but just enough to get people thinking about it.
you know uh... i think everybody could agree that the fact of extraterrestrial intelligence
visiting the earth probably supersedes any kind of real or imagined
sexual dalliance by the president. Well, it sure does.
uh... sure does and uh... the state of the union would be the perfect place for
him to lay something like that out.
He actually could do that more easily than he could address the questions
of the sexual dalliance.
Hey, and it would put him in the history books.
Well, yeah, right.
First time caller in line, you're on the air with Jim Morris, hi.
Yes, is this me?
Yeah, it's you, only you know that for sure, but I presume it's you.
Okay, great.
I'd just like to relate an experience, and I have a question also.
Sure.
You mentioned that the lights of a phoenix had reappeared.
Oh, yes.
Approximately when did they reappear?
January... I'm sorry, I don't have a date.
Do you know, Jim?
I don't have a precise date.
It's been about, what, about a week ago?
Yeah.
Well, in December, we were driving south of Phoenix on I-8 from Tucson to San Diego, and what we saw was a very fast traveling object from the south to the north.
It was at night and the odd thing about it was it was so bright you could see the vapor trail behind it and the trail wasn't a typical trail.
It was more like a knotted, like knots in a rope.
Right.
That would indicate some sort of a propulsion system that's actually creating small explosions.
I'm not aware of anything that's possible that could do that.
Are you, Walt?
Well, it brings us to the subject of this fast walker business.
Things traveling through the atmosphere at 25,000 miles an hour and more.
A story, a very interesting story, about NORAD not very long ago.
Jim, have you heard about that?
Employees at NORAD?
About the fast walkers?
Well, there were some employees at NORAD that apparently For some reason, according to the stories that I got, left NORAD and took their families and went to South America based on some sort of knowledge they had.
That sounds like the Gulf Breeze 6, doesn't it?
A little bit.
There's the thing.
There's people.
See, this is the thing.
This secrecy has got to stop.
I have too many sources within military, within intelligence, and there's too many things that's cropped up.
People in the military, people in intelligence, I mean, you can't keep this thing bottled up.
People say, how can they keep it a secret?
Well, they really can't.
There's a lot of people that know, but they can't keep the distribution of the information down so that we don't hear about it.
Then we don't think it's happening.
That's why it's so important.
One of the steps that they're trying to do, Stephen Bassett, his group in Washington, is to offer an immunity from prosecution.
The thing that's keeping so many of these people from coming forward and talking about it is the fear of violating their secrecy oaths, and those secrecy oaths are stringent.
They say if you tell anything you learn while you're in the military or intelligence, we can throw your civil liberties in the trash can and put you in Leavenworth for the rest of your life.
That's pretty stout.
Take that seriously.
I was going to have Steven back on but then this whole horrible business with the president broke and I thought poor Steven Bassett is going to go nowhere fast for a little while here until something changes and there's some other news stories that begin to break.
Well, that's the whole thing, but I think that this is a story that's not going to go away.
This UFO thing is just like everything else.
It's picking up speed.
It's gaining momentum.
Things are really happening, and by the way, before I forget about it, and I'll have people that chew me out, You can get Alien Agenda.
It's got all of this in here.
It's got everything we're talking about, including who's behind the secrecy, the flow chart of the organization that's in charge of the UFO question, as well as it addresses some of the questions as to then what are they all about and what is the Alien Agenda.
And you can get that, of course, at any major bookstore.
Ask them to order if they don't have it.
Or you can call, I've got an 800 number I can give.
Can I give it?
Absolutely.
Okay, it's an 800 number.
Everybody grab your pencils.
It's 1-800-905-8367.
That's 905-8367.
And they can pick up the telephone right now and order a copy.
And the thing is, this book really was not written for the true believers.
I mean, they're there, they're already, no sense in preaching to the choir.
This was written for the people who just are kind of wondering about,
is there really anything to all this?
This is a book that was written to give to your parents, to your neighbors, to your friends who say, you don't really believe in that junk, do you?
To somebody who's had an experience or knows that there's something going on.
This is the book that's got it all between the two covers.
Colonel Corso, your part in the whole Corso story, what did you do and when did you do it?
Well, I've only kept up with the Corso story.
In fact, his book came out about the same time mine did.
That's right.
and what it did was wind and of course the to compliment each other because
his book wins considerable weight to uh... what i wrote in here about the uh... government
military secrecy and the fact that obviously something's going on
uh... and my argument that something actually happened at roswell
uh... of course again we do have to be careful because uh... and there's so much going on for instance the federal
school there's no doubt my man
is some sort of craft there was not a conventional craft crashed okay
i don't think there's any question about that Now the question is, was it truly extraterrestrial or has that been a cover story that's been mounted over the years?
because there's also evidence that we picked up some very uh... sophisticated
advanced technological craft uh... from the germans at the end of world war two uh...
they had flying saucers on the drawing board there's no question about that
that's historical fact now the question is did they actually fly some were
they really able to make them work and that's what we don't know about but
there's a whole fascinating story that's covered in alien agenda
about how the ss commander who was in charge of their top secret
projects and and he disappeared
and uh...
along with what are their top secret projects
Leaving behind the V2 rockets.
Which of course we got hold of along with Von Braun and Dornberger and the rest of them.
Brought them back over to this country.
And that's what started our missile program, right?
That is absolutely correct.
So what did this guy take off with?
It was even more secret than that.
It's a real issue.
There's so much going on that we probably don't know about.
All right.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Jim Martin.
Hi.
Yeah, good morning.
This is Dan in Virginia.
Hi, Dan.
All right, I want to congratulate you on finally leaving the herd.
Well, until there is something to be stampeding about, I refuse to join in.
Well, that's fantastic, because we really need to get to the meat of what's really happening, and I think Jim's right on.
Uh, Jim, you were getting ready to bring up a really important point before, um, uh, you didn't have a chance to finish it.
It was concerning the, uh, um, what the president was saying about the desert.
Oh, the reverse speech interpretation?
Yes.
Yeah, okay, let me finish that real quick then.
Thank you for bringing that back up.
That just kind of, kind of got set over to the side.
The, the, uh, statement that apparently they got in analyzing, uh, with reverse speech was, he said, the hell with the, this, and keep in mind, this was when they were asking him about this, this sex scandal thing.
And he says, to hell with the earth, the desert will answer.
Which, you know, that doesn't sound like he's got anything at all to do with that.
Apparently his mind's on other things, okay?
And as I pointed out first, to hell with the earth, there is the interpretation that what he means by that Is that the way that people, including presidents, have been muzzled over the years about this issue is to tell them that if they speak out, it could cause widespread social disruption and perhaps launch an invasion against the earth and destroy the earth.
Well, that's pretty serious stuff.
A lot of people think twice before they bring that up.
But I think that that's just about played out its last because to me, anyway, it's obvious That there's nobody out there with an immediate goal of conquering the Earth.
Because if that was what they wanted to do, and if they had technology to the point to where they could go interstellar travel, or go through walls, or some of the stuff that's been reported that UFOs can do, knock out, you know, computers and all electromagnetic equipment, hey!
They would have invaded us long before now, right?
And then the reference to the desert?
Okay.
So the thing is, to hell with the Earth.
To hell with this argument that I can't talk or mean destruction of the Earth.
The desert will answer.
Where's Area 51?
In the desert.
That sure is.
That's where the answers are.
Ease to the Rockies, you're on the air with a man who has the answers, Jim Mars.
Hello.
Okay, this is John with Houston.
Oh, alright.
What bothers me about the part about them dealing with our government is that why would
they be the kind of race or civilization, whatever, that would want to cut such a deal
with our government to, say, play around with us or use us for experiments or whatever,
any kind of negative thing.
Right.
You know, if they were such intelligent beings, it seems to me like they would come here for
more nicer things than that.
I just hope that they don't think that we're like our government, you know, the rest of
the world is like them.
Well, you just put your finger, I think, on what may be the real deal, because when I'm
talking about the government, you know, we're not talking about the many hardworking postal
employees or the forest service people or even those old IRS agents that are doing their
job faithfully, you know, and even despite all the flack they get, we're talking about
those handful of of uh... military and intelligence teams Who up there at the top of the pyramid, and they and they alone know what's going on, and they and they alone make the decisions.
Now, they are not, you know, especially right now today, they're not very representative of the rest of us.
And I think that's what happened is, and this is all covered in my book, Alien Agenda, is that they are in touch with a faction of an alien race, okay, that I guess I would best describe as the Hawks, okay?
So the Hawks are dealing with the Hawks.
And they're cutting their deals based on their own imperatives on the things they want done.
Our guys want technology.
They want that power.
And they want to do their manipulation, possibly for their own self-preservation and survival, which could be one of the strongest imperatives going.
All right, Jim.
Hold tight.
We'll be right back to you.
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From Washington, D.C., here is Steve Bassett.
Steve?
This is poor Steven, Art.
How you doing?
I'm just fine.
Jim, I wanted to raise a couple things.
But first, I want to take this opportunity to publicly thank you.
For flying out from Dallas area to Phoenix on your own nickel, using up some of those precious book royalties, to show the flag for Frances Emma Barwood in Phoenix on her press conference when she announced her candidacy.
She's a delightful lady, isn't she?
She's one of a kind.
And Jim also attended some meetings afterwards, some think meetings we had to try to address some of the complicated issues that she's going to face.
And now Jim's going to be a supporter of her through the campaign.
This is the kind of personal commitment that you really have to appreciate in this field.
Jim, you raised several things earlier which I just had to talk to, and if the Honorable Gentleman from Texas will yield a few minutes to the Honorable Gentleman from Maryland, I'd like to address him if I could.
Sure.
First of all, I think what you may be getting into, Steve, would you agree with me that if President Clinton, regardless of his problems, if he was to come out and level with the American people, don't you think that he might be surprised at the breadth and depth of a constituency that he may find out here?
That's an understatement.
But I think I'm going to go one step further.
I'm just going to let your listeners know that for the last four days, a very intense concerted effort has been underway To get information to the President's Chief Advisors.
I know that you, I've seen internet messages, Stephen, that you were desperately trying to get numbers for the President's Advisors.
What do you want to tell them?
I did receive help.
Well, the message that we, and I say we, there's a number of people involved in this, I think you can probably guess who they are too, but I don't want to speak for them, I want to be careful here, but I think I can say what I'm saying, namely that the message we are getting to the Advisors is that There's a lot of agendas going on in this country that are very important.
Ours is one of them.
It's got a pretty long pedigree.
It goes back about 50 years.
I think the last six years were the most intense.
If this old business results in, somehow, the removal of the President, it's a disaster for these agendas.
This is not the way the country should be run.
In that sense, we don't have any more axe to grind than anybody else.
Our agenda may have a special option for the President, namely this, that if he seizes this moment in history and calls for the Congress to convene a hearing, not say what he thinks about UFOs or what he believes, doesn't believe, but simply calls for the Congress to give these government witnesses their day in Congress, their opportunity to speak, and their opportunity to speak without fear of retribution, That the level of worldwide support will be nothing short of phenomenal.
And I can't understate that.
Now, we have pulled every stop we can.
We have tried everything we can.
We've crawled in the basement windows.
We've hid in the bushes.
We've done everything we could do.
And I can say, tell your listeners, that this information, the facts and the material, It has gotten to the chief of staff of Mrs. Clinton, a woman by the name of Elaine Verveer.
It has gotten to the presidential chief of staff, Erskine Bowles.
It has gotten to Bruce Lindsey.
It has gone through some presidential personal supporters that are no longer with the White House.
I've also thoroughly gotten the attention of James Carville, who unfortunately is in
Honduras for the inauguration of the Honduras president, or maybe to find a job for Mrs.
Lewinsky, but whatever.
The point is that the people in the government, I think, have gotten this information.
What will happen next, we don't know.
One of the reasons I'm lying here tonight not asleep is because, well, it's because
I like the Art Bell show, but it's also because I'm so nervous about what could happen tomorrow
that I can't sleep.
All right, in what respect, Stephen, what do you expect may happen tomorrow, and what
windows have you been crawling through?
Well, what I mean by that is that we've used every connection that we can find, every number that we can get, and we have called, and faxed, and emailed, and called, and primarily have been able to get information into the White House.
It's not easy to do, particularly when they're in battle mode like this.
Uh, and so they know.
In other words, members of the presidential top echelon know that there are people out there ready to come to Washington immediately to provide tangible, first-hand information and testimony so they could make a decision about whether President Clinton could launch this initiative at this State of the Union address.
Now, what is important to this?
Well, for one thing, it is, in our opinion, just about the only thing That might come into the picture at this point.
It would have the power and the implications to put this other business into a proper perspective.
So that possibly we won't be facing the ultimate consummation of this endless witch hunt.
That doesn't mean that there may not be some problems here and there may not be some issues.
The problem in this country is we've got everything upside down.
We take the big stuff and we shove it under the rug into closets, and then we take the little stuff and we drive ourselves crazy with it.
Well, this is a recipe for disaster.
And so, it's not impossible that this could happen, so I'm asking your listeners, look.
Get, you know, the email to the White House is president at whitehouse.gov.
It's about as easy as it gets.
President at whitehouse.gov.
The Vice President is vice.president at whitehouse.gov, and the First Lady Is first dot lady at president dot gov.
And all this can be gotten on the internet as well as a fax number.
Hit the White House tomorrow with everything you've got.
Get every email in there you've got and tell them, look, we want a congressional hearing.
We want the president to stand up for this.
If he does, we are going to support him.
Now, I can assure you that when the media sees the avalanche of support coming in from around the world, the emails, the faxes, the letters, after such an announcement is made, they will quickly turn their attention, which is not to diminish the legal issues that are here, I'm not trying to poo-poo it, I'm not trying to say that this is totally irrelevant, but I'm just trying to say that they will immediately shift their attention to that.
Now, once these congressional hearings are underway, I can say without a lot of fear of being embarrassed, that after about the 15th or 20th witness, there will not be any more talk about impeaching the President.
Because the American people are not going to sit by when they're hearing revelations of that implication, and say, okay, let's get rid of the President.
They will say, well look, this is no time to be talking about that nonsense.
And so it's a potential win-win situation here of enormous magnitude.
I can't understate this, that in a sense, history has kind of come together here and we have a moment of opportunity in which a very, very significant political dilemma, and I can assure you that even some of Clinton's, the detractors in the media, when they talk about potential impeachment, they're literally, you can almost see the depression in their face.
They don't want to see this.
Nixon tried to destroy the Constitution.
You could almost justify what happened there.
But to go to impeachment level of resignation on this is something that they can't even bear to contemplate.
They are looking for a way out of this.
We're saying, look, let's hit them with everything we've got.
Same thing.
Go to cseti.org.
Go to www.cseti.org, Stephen Greer's site.
Get the information on the committee chairman.
Pump those faxes and emails into the committee chair people, because ultimately they still have to make the call.
And let's make it absolutely clear that the support is there for a president to stand up and do something truly courageous.
He has that kind of guts.
I've seen him do it.
So this is actually ongoing right now.
And Jim is absolutely right in what he said about it.
He's absolutely right that it will totally dramatically change the picture, and he's right about the level of support.
I think one of the problems here is that people underestimate the power of the Internet.
There's still so much misinformation about the Internet that a lot of people out there think that it's still some sort of a playground for perverts and people that don't have a life.
They don't realize that the Internet is capable of generating 10, 15, 20 million responses if the issue warrants it, and I can't think of an issue that could Warrant that level of response.
So, there is work being going on here.
There are people ready to fly in and meet by phone, whatever, and I'll put out a call right now to anybody in the White House that's listening.
Look, this is serious business.
We do not want to see this president damaged.
We do not want to see a change of government.
This is not what we elected people to do.
This is not why we spent $20 million in our election, or more than that, $200 million.
We want to see our government do what it's supposed to do, not spin wheels and nitpick and fight over this kind of nonsense.
It's partisan crap.
It's ridiculous.
So we want to seize the opportunity to make something good out of something that's negative.
Now, the last thing I want to say, and I'll let Jim get the show that he so richly deserves, and that is that as far as the ad, the ad was intended to go in before the State of the Union address.
Right.
As it happened, there was a fairly healthy debate that developed with respect to the amnesty issue.
This debate was waged primarily in the email world, so it wasn't too obvious, but it was intense.
And it was, I thought, a very excellent and refreshing intellectual discourse.
And it was resolved.
And the wording has been changed, and that ad is done.
But it cost a couple of weeks.
And so, no, it did not make it.
Now, as it turned out, it's a good thing, because if that ad had gone in, at the cost of $21,134, I should add, it would have literally been drowned out by this massive foofa that's come on.
So, that ad is going to go in, and it's going to go in after the State of the Union.
My concern is this, that if President Clinton does get indicted, And that could easily be delayed.
There's already been delaying actions that have been taken.
As you've probably heard, a judge has postponed the deposition.
It's been postponed twice.
So they could be delayed.
It could be weeks from now.
There was initial talk that it could have been as soon as this week.
But if that indictment is delayed, that's a very good thing.
And the job will be to get that ad in the paper before that indictment.
And the reason is this.
Once President Clinton is indicted, anything he does after that is poisoned.
By criticism of total political artfulness.
Of course.
And so we're racing against time.
Now, to the issue that Jim also rightfully raised, isn't it interesting that when the real politicization of the UFO movement starts to really get some traction, and the meetings are taking place, and congressmen are engaged, and the intelligence office is engaged, all of a sudden they really go to the last rung.
They start wiring up female bureaucrats to tape their close friends in order to create almost a tabloid kind of scandal.
Something which even right-wing commentaries have commented is really pushing the envelope.
Now, the risk here was great.
Understand that if this doesn't work, Mr. Starr is going to blow up.
So they took an enormous risk here.
It is a coincidence which I think deserves considerable scrutiny, though I do not have hard evidence that there is any connection, but boy, it sure makes me twitch.
Well, Starr is throwing the dice on the whole thing here.
Yes, he is.
And so possibly, for your listeners, it's possible that this is part of what we'll call this last ditch activities, which includes the potential destruction of records.
We've raised that before.
That as we get near the end, when you get an animal cornered, particularly a wild animal cornered, that's the time when you better be really, really careful.
And so, yes, they're running out of room.
I want to open back doors.
I want to create ways for them to maneuver.
The last thing I want to do, or Stephen Greer wants to do, or anybody wants to do, is put these people in a corner where they have nowhere to go.
Don't want to do that.
But the fact is that this is an extraordinary political crisis that came on out of nowhere It is remarkable in at least seven different ways, and it's happening right at the moment that we are almost at the edge of launching the final drive for disclosure of the government's posture.
So I think we need to show resolve, we need to show understanding, we need to show commitment, we need to fax the bejesus out of Washington, so that the message is crystal clear.
If they choose not to act on this, I don't want it to be because they misunderstood the tenor of the public's interest in this.
All right.
And that's all I want to say.
And, Jim, it's a fantastic show.
There's nobody in this country that can convey complex ideas down in a down-to-earth fashion like Jim Marr.
Thank you very much, Stephen.
You have a good night.
And, Jim, I take it you concur with most of that.
Sure.
Anything that would get us dealing with reality here, rather than being whipsawed around by the spin doctors, on whichever side they're coming from?
I've got a story here, and this goes right back to what you were saying.
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Dr. Tom Van Flanderen reached that conclusion after new studies of the Cydonia region where strange-looking landforms have excited science fiction and life on other world busts for decades now.
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So they're saying it is not a natural thing.
That's right.
I mean, this is a remarkable, remarkable story that's being buried along with everything else underneath this terrible... That's right.
I don't want to wait another three months and have it suddenly appear in USA Today or whatever.
Let's deal with things that are happening while they're happening.
And Art, I might tell you that in my study of government cover-ups and issues and stuff This is the trick.
You cannot, you know, truth will out.
You cannot keep truth covered up forever.
They know this.
What they're trying to do is just stall it off long enough.
It's just like the Kennedy assassination.
Today, unlike 1968, error sixty three today everybody every thinking person
knows that there's some real
crap going on in regard to the case as nation
alright and yet so much time has gone by and everybody who reached that decision
after such a long period of time that it's hard to get any kind of grounds
well of public reaction you know there's a lot Although they did.
The House Assassination or the Assassination Records Review Board is still in operation and is still declassifying documents and some of them are pretty incredible.
How much chance do you think there is that Stephen Bassett's pleadings will be heard, that the White House would consider this a moment to move forward, not step in reverse?
Well, of course, the problem with Steven's plan is simply this.
There's no problem with it.
It makes sense.
It seems like something that would be just so obvious and such a uh... positive step that could be made uh... and and from a
very cynical viewpoint something to kids
could conceivably defuse this whole uh... situation at the moment
but uh... the bump in the road is that
these people who have kept this secret for at least fifty years and possibly longer
uh...
it's a dangerous folks They have lots of power.
They have lots of willpower.
And they want what they want.
And so I'm sure it would take some very serious soul-searching on the part of President Clinton for him to really seriously consider this.
But I certainly think that it is something that he should take under consideration.
What do these people want, Jim?
You talk about these people.
Right.
In fact, let me make this statement right now.
I think we, the American people, the public, I think we have more to fear from people within our own government, or let me put it this way, people, our own leaders, okay, than we do from space aliens.
The space aliens, you know, in my book Alien Agenda, I go back and show that the evidence is very plain that, and certainly compelling, that the Earth has been visited by folks from, not from this planet, for millennia.
Okay?
It's nothing new.
And they'll probably be coming around long after we're gone.
The problem right now is the people who are leading us.
The people that are running this world.
Okay?
And it comes back to the old bromide.
The UFO lands and the little guy gets out.
What does he say?
He says, date me to your leader.
That's right.
Who is our leader?
Who's running the show?
If the President and the head of the CIA and the Joint Chiefs can't get to the information, then who's in charge?
This is what we need to start focusing on.
All right.
And so we shall.
It is the top of the hour again.
We're going to break.
What a good question.
Now, what's your answer?
Who is running the show, yanking the strings, making and breaking presidents?
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Go ahead, treat your valentine. Once again, here is Jim Mars. Jim, I just got a fax from
Richard Hoagland, who suggested that earlier in the day he had talked with you about the
David John Oates reversals. That's what we've just discussed. Uh-huh. And that the remark,
to hell with the earth, the desert will answer. Where that came from, he says that he kind
of led you into that one. Is that true? Yeah. Oh, it is.
Okay. Yes. All right. Very good.
Yeah, I thought that was kind of an interesting interpretation of it. And of course, you
have to know the...
Hi, this is Janine from Springfield, Illinois.
Stephen Bassett almost stole my thunder earlier.
It's simply an interpretation.
I mean, you know, who knows?
Yep, that's right.
First time caller on the line.
You're on the air with Jim Morris.
Hi.
Hi, this is Janine from Springfield, Illinois.
Hi there.
Great show.
Thank you.
Stephen Bass had almost stole my thunder earlier.
I was quite interested in Jim's view on Frances Barwood and her announcement for Secretary of State
and her platform about UFOs and looking into what we can do about it.
Oh, Open Government, basically, is her platform.
Right, and so I'll hang up and listen to his comments.
If you please share that with us.
Alright.
You did, I guess, as Stephen suggested, fly to Phoenix.
Yes, yes I did.
And I met Frances Barwood, and she's just a delightful lady.
I know.
And very sharp, and very concerned about what's going on.
And exactly what I expected.
And of course, for those of your audience who may not have all this in perspective, Frances Barwood, at the time of the Phoenix overflight early last year in March, was a city councilwoman in Phoenix.
And she had the temerity to simply stand up.
she's not a uniform but for anything else
she said as a city councilwoman as a representative of uh...
uh... a constituency there in phoenix she simply got up and ask the question
what was that you know what was it
if it was a government secret weapon to let them say hey this is something
secret and we can tell you about it uh... we can accept that
the government uh... says nothing happened or anything there
uh... his players uh... you know
typical fat thing.
And then after that, the political repercussions came down.
Uh, there, you know, she was getting, uh, bad mouth from the, uh, from the governor, from the talk show people there.
Uh, and I watched this happen when she announced, uh, her candidacy for the Secretary of State there in, uh, Arizona.
Here's the room full of media people.
The three people from the local newspaper could only sit and snicker and chat with each other and the only issue they seemed to care about, know anything about, advance any interest in, was along the lines of What do you think about being the poster girl for UFOs?
That type of thing.
There was only one media person way back the back, and I got the impression this man was with television perhaps, who asked basically some particular question, something about her policy on UFOs.
Illegal aliens or something about the state.
In other words, a serious question to a candidate who's announced for a statewide office.
And I thought that was, you know, here's a real journalist, here's a real reporter asking questions about what really matters.
And that's why I went out there, was to try to deflect some of this Snickering and snide, superior, better than thou attitude that comes across on the part of some of these media people who hide out in their white ivory towers during the day, never get out and pound the pavement, never go down and talk to the secretaries and the cab drivers and the cop on the beat to find out what's going on, and yet they have this idea that they know better than anybody else what the score is.
All right.
Good, Jim.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Jim Mars.
Good morning.
Good morning.
This is Mr. White in Phoenix, Arizona.
Yes, sir.
Yes.
Basically, regarding the Frances Barwood situation, I'm here in Phoenix, Arizona, so I've had the opportunity to experience that firsthand.
Right.
And basically, they were giving you a hard time, Mark, because Barry Young was saying, well, she shouldn't be on a nationwide radio show because it only concerns Arizona.
Really?
I couldn't believe it.
Well, that's alright.
I'm used to getting a hard time from you.
Yeah.
But that's not why I called.
I called because after the reports of the UFOs in Phoenix, I concluded that the media accepts the government response without any question.
And in turn, the general populace accepts the media's report without questioning.
So my question to you, Jim, is are we as a society, in your estimation, becoming apathetic?
Not, I would say no.
Not truly apathetic.
Apathetic means you really just don't care.
And I cannot bring myself to believe that all my fellow Americans out there really don't care.
What it is, I think, is a very natural psychological response.
Psychologists will tell you, you know, when they do testing and stuff, if you Get a person confused.
One person says one thing.
One charge, counter charge.
Claim and counter claim.
When they start getting confused, they tend to turn off.
They say, wait a minute, let's talk about something else.
I don't want to hear this anymore.
Okay?
And I think that's what's going on.
But do you understand that that's different from truly not caring?
Oh, I do.
But it's just that I've talked to so many people and the vast majority of them have no opinion at all.
Well, there definitely is the dumbing down of this nation.
And again, it comes back to the news media.
The news media cannot tell us how to think, but it certainly tells us what to think about.
I agree.
Alright, thank you very much.
It certainly is doing that right now.
Isn't that the truth?
Thank you, Art, for injecting a little bit of rationality into this and, you know, let's step out of the stampede for a little bit and watch and see where it's going before we decide if we want to join or not.
That's the only way to get perspective.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Mars.
Good morning.
Good morning, calling from Cincinnati.
I think you brought up the point that the media is the problem, and the media is really owned by big businesses, owned by the industrial complex.
Absolutely.
You've got General Electric, and you've got Westinghouse, that owns two of the major networks, and these are the largest producers of arms.
In the world, which, you know, we don't really like to think about this, but in this country today, 1998, in a world supposedly at general peace, we are the largest arms dealers in the world.
This country, our country.
And do you think those people want to, do you think they're going to allow those networks to tell you that constantly?
Well, if you read the book, Unreliable Sources, it brings that out.
But your book, Crossfire, along with others, I don't think are disinformation.
Books like Mark Lane's and Jim Garrison's shows evidence of that CIA military industrial complex involvement in the Kennedy assassination because he was going to get out of Vietnam, split into the CIA, and make normal relations with Cuba.
but i don't think some people compartmentalize that and don't see the relevance to the present
c.i. military industrial complex warmongering over iraq for instance even though clinton is
the right winger he got as much military industrial money as the republicans he has been a slightly
less rabid warmonger uh even though he's gone along with the bush policy of uh starving a
million iraqi men women and children to death and uh and say the rattling and occasionally bombing
you look at the forces arrayed against him they are even more uh rabid
Uh, uh, for- Such as Richard Mellon Scaife, a billionaire who has huge holdings in the Lockheed Martin Marietta military industrial complex in cold armaments.
He's closely associated with Kenneth Starr.
Alright, well here's a good question.
that possibly try to scare us about rogue states, or terrorists, just to keep us in a proper frame of mind
for huge military budgets and these interventions against countries that don't obey the dictates
of these transnational corporations.
And I think that's what's going on right now, where they've pushed Clinton to try to appease them
by starting a war again against Iraq.
All right, well, here's a good question.
Is the president, in effect, being punished I mean, you know, rightly?
or something he was about to do. These are the kinds of questions that came up, of course,
with the Kennedy assassination, and now I think reasonably might be asked with respect
to Clinton. Is he being punished? Is he being taken out for some reason?
Well, it's obvious that he's being neutralized. I mean, you know, rightly, wrongly, whatever.
Let's face it.
Look what's happening right now.
I mean, you know, the whole media is leading the charge and everybody's concerned over his sexual piccadillos.
Who's mining the store in the meantime?
Well, yes they are and no they're not.
On the one hand, over 60% of the American public does not think the president ought to have to leave office if it's just purely a sexual matter with a 21-year-old aide.
Well, but that can't be the grounds for impeachment anyway.
The grounds for impeachment would have to be this, you know, suborning of Tesla.
telegraph or a special act you know of course but is he uh...
is he more of more use uh...
to those who want him neutralized um...
if you could have paralyzed well let let me give you a little example of a
example in our recent past about how that messages can be sent to the president of the united states
in the spring of nineteen seventy nine jimmy carter was uh...
beginning to knew that he was going to go into the election year
nineteen eighty and he's going to have as well known by that point that ronald reagan
was going to be a republican candidate measure
and uh... and that uh... he was conservative and everybody was calling
jimmy carter you carter wishy-washy so jimmy carter as for national tv time
and uh... it was thought he was going to come on about announcing sweeping
programs and some changes in government and and build up a you know build up a
area uh...
uh... track record there to go into the eighty elections well before that can
happen he goes to los angeles and they arrest
two men out there and i'm going to hispanic and uh... said no it's no big thing they were just derelicts
bones off the street but it would be
But a week later, they carried a small story in my paper that said these two guys were being held in lieu of $500,000 bond and charged with attempted assassination of the President of the United States.
Okay?
Now, Carter cancelled his nationwide TV talk, went into seclusion at Camp David, was reported as saying that he had lost control of the government, didn't do anything, and, of course, lost to the Reagan steamroller there in 1980.
Now, here's the clincher.
The two guys that they arrested were Raymond Lee Harvey and Oswaldo Ortiz.
Lee Harvey and Oswaldo were going to assassinate Carter there in Los Angeles.
And this story made an article, by the way, in Newsweek.
You know, it did hit, but it didn't really go anywhere.
Nobody really caught it.
But don't you think that's a message?
How much coincidence is that?
That's a message, all right.
And that is one I missed, too, somehow.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Mars.
Hi.
Yeah, good evening, Art and Jim.
Yeah, the question, though, does literally lead up to it here.
About three nights ago, either late night or early morning, I was watching Discovery Channel, and there was some oceanographic researchers They were sitting somewhere a few thousand miles from anything in the middle of the South Pacific and what they were doing was they had an ocean crawler at approximately 10,000 foot depth and they had a hydrophone on it.
And they were trying to identify little animals and everything that runs around there and they could identify everything but one thing and they put the tone on the air and what it sounded like was a high frequency generator kind of a woo woo woo and it was consistent and it wasn't moving.
Okay.
And at first I never thought about it too much, except it wasn't moving.
And I would happen to think of the things I've read and so forth, they've seen the things that were unidentified that have dropped into, I guess, into the Bermuda Triangle, but also in the South Pacific.
And I wondered what your take on that was.
Unidentified.
Hmm.
Yeah, I'm like you.
The thing that intrigues me most is the fact that it was not moving.
Uh, you know, because it's always possible that like some kind of a deep sea creature, even a whale or something, might could be making a sound, something similar to that, but it would be in motion.
Well, in Alien Agenda, in my book Alien Agenda, I cover all bases and one of them has to do with the fact that there have been many, many reports of UFOs that, like, slide into or splash into the water and go right off.
And there is a lot of speculation about the idea that there may be bases.
Yeah.
Under the water? Under the ocean. Yeah. Does Mr. Morris foresee contact by an alien faction with average people
that would counter the government contact that is in place now? Any hints of this?
Oh, well, I think that seems to be somewhat obvious just on the face of it. I think that there is a... look at the crop
circles.
That is obviously... Now, of course, first off, yes, there are some hoaxed crop circles.
But they are very obvious to detect.
Because if two old boys and a string and a board go out and stop down a circle in the ground, you've got broken crop.
You know, you've got crushed leaves and you've got broken stems.
In the true crop circles, the crop is laid over at a 90 degree angle.
Hi, this is Lisa.
I'm calling you from Glendora.
Hello, Lisa.
and laid on layers that go in opposite directions and yet the crop is not dead.
It continues to grow but in a horizontal position and will never grow upright again.
With molecular change in the crop?
Yes, at the cellular level.
That's right. First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Jim Morris. Hi.
Hi, this is Lisa. I'm calling you from Glendora.
Hello Lisa.
Hi. Great program tonight.
Listen, I wanted to ask Jim or yourself if you know what happened to the Glomar Explorer that Howard Hughes built.
Do you remember that?
Oh, yes.
Yes.
Yes, I do know what happened to it.
And it was built as an underwater ocean thing, but in reality, it was built to raise a sunken Soviet submarine.
Um, that's right.
Wasn't it used for that, as a matter of fact?
Yeah, that's exactly what it was used for.
In fact, that was why it was built.
The whole thing about going out and studying the oceans, that was just a cover story.
Is the Cold War over, Jim?
Yeah, the old confrontation between the Soviets and us, I think obviously that's changed radically.
In fact, this is what's presenting the problem.
See, they need the people who are the arms dealers.
and their financiers and all like that these guys they they really need some
trouble so that they can uh...
continue business as usual and uh... that's kind of a
bad situation because then uh... every little hot spot becomes uh... now
becomes a united nations battleground you know uh...
uh... when when president clinton first ordered troops into bosnia i told
I said, those guys aren't coming back, you know?
They're not going to pull them out of there.
And sure enough, now he's announced it.
Yeah, they're in for the duration, whatever that is.
Well, surely if they were pulled out, the fighting would resume in Bosnia.
Probably so, but you know, you've got the same situation in Ireland.
If the British pulled out, the Catholics and Protestants would be at each other's throats again.
Absolutely true.
So the people who make the arms are pulling the strings.
And the United Nations isn't going in there.
No, they're ready to go into Iraq.
So again though, the people who make the arms, Jim, are the ones pulling the strings.
Is that right?
Probably so.
You're talking about the people with the heavy bucks.
I could name names, but it wouldn't mean anything to most people.
You wouldn't know these names.
The people who are really in charge, you rarely even hear about.
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All right, back now to Jim Mars.
And you looked, you studied President Kennedy quite extensively.
What did President Kennedy, if anything, know about this whole alien UFO question?
It's in my book, Alien Agenda.
Yes, sir.
I got a little section called JFK, Maryland, and the UFOs.
Maryland and the UFOs?
Yep.
I have in my possession a copy of what appears to be a CIA report, and it was done in the summer of 1962, and it was a telephone wiretap between the famous reporter Dorothy Kilgallen and a friend of hers in Hollywood.
And the friend of hers was telling her that Marilyn Monroe was causing quite a stink and felt like she'd been jilted by the Kennedys and was threatening to hold a press conference and go public with some secrets.
And the very first secret listed was the fact that she said Kennedy had told her he had been taken to a secret base and shown things from space.
so he knew a lot he knew a lot. I also quote in there a man by the name of
Bill Holden who was a uh... a steward aboard air force one
and he quotes Kennedy as saying in the summer of nineteen sixty three they were
in Europe you know remember when he made his trip over there and made
the famous Berliners speech? Of course.
and uh... they said there was a UFO conference taking place in Bonn Germany
and so there was something about it in the newspapers and he said Kennedy was pretty uh... approachable and he said
Mr. President he said uh...
uh... what do you think about UFOs?
Let me tell you a little story about Jimmy Carter.
Kennedy got serious, thought a minute, and said, and this was his quote, and this is
intriguing to me and I'm sure it will be to you.
He said, Kennedy said, I would like to tell the people about the alien situation, but
my hands are tied.
Let me tell you a little story about Jimmy Carter.
I had a call from, you know, just a regular listener, Jim, who said that he went to a
book signing of Jimmy Carter's.
And of course, Jimmy Carter in his campaign had said that he would reveal what he could
find out about UFOs if he got into office.
Well, this fellow went up to Jimmy Carter, who was keeping his head down, you know, the way you are at a book signing, just signing one after another after another, and managed to capture his eye attention, and asked Jimmy Carter, Mr. President, What can you tell us about UFOs now that you're actually out of office?
The President looked up with actually a tear in his eye and made no comment at all, but was obviously very moved and knew something.
Right.
But see, you have to ask yourself, what is their source of information?
Who's telling them and are they telling them the real truth or the military's truth?
This is like Corso, you know, makes the argument that it was all necessary, the secrecy and gaining the technology was all necessary because these aliens are bad and terrible and they're our enemy and he had to save the Earth.
In fact, I believe he almost says that in the tail end of his book.
He said he saved humanity or something like that.
Right.
Well, you know, I had to ask.
I said, you know, why?
You know, what made you think these aliens are our enemies and are terrible?
And you know the response?
And this is typical Cold War mentality.
Well, they flew over our prohibited airspace, and they hovered over our military installations, and they wouldn't stop when we said stop.
That makes them our enemy.
It does.
All right.
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Hi.
Well, hi, Mr. Bell.
Hello.
Hi, Mr. Morris.
Yeah, I have two quick questions.
One on Area 51 and Mr. Bell, I'd like to ask you a question about your website.
Alright.
Okay, um, Mr. Morris, I was online in a chat room and there was a gentleman who came up with a conspiracy that the government was going to close up Area 51 and bury it under cement.
Have you heard anything about that?
I think I've heard that story.
I've also heard the story that they've moved Area 51, you know.
Keep in mind, if you were in charge of protecting the security at Area 51, wouldn't you put out all kinds of stories like that just to keep everybody confused?
Definitely, most definitely.
I would do that.
That's what they're doing now.
I feel that, you know, they're confusing us all, coming up with all these theories.
Well, but I'll tell you what, just very recently I saw some footage of those airplanes that take off every morning and evening and take those workers out there and then bring them back.
And those planes are still flying, so I would take with a grain of salt the idea that they've buried Area 51 or that it's no longer in operation.
Okay, thank you for that.
Mr. Bell?
Yes?
I can't get to you online.
I'm on AOL, right?
At the present time?
Right.
How do I get to your website from AOL?
I don't know.
Well, you can get on the web, right?
I'm having a hard time.
From AOL?
Yeah.
Well, in the AOL program, if you just look up at the top, there's a picture of the globe, the internet.
Right.
Alright.
You just click on that, and then you enter www.artbell.com.
I've been doing artbell.com.
I haven't put in... Yeah, the World Wide Web.
W-W-W.
Right.
Alright?
Okay, well, I'm new at it.
I'm sorry about that.
Well, congratulations.
Good luck.
Actually, if you want the whole thing, it's HTTP.
colon forward slash forward slash www.artbell.com.
That is the official way to get there.
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Danex, and I was wondering, Jim, do you think that maybe the alien species,
do you maybe think that they're a future evolution of us in the future?
All right, this is interesting.
Again, I hate to sound commercial, but I refer you to Alien Agenda.
I cover all bases here.
What seems to be going on here and what causes a lot of confusion is that there are multiple races out there, okay?
And, in fact, let me put it this way.
Are they from Zeta Reticula?
Are they from Alpha Centauri?
Are they from the Pleiades?
Are they from another time?
Are they from another dimension?
Okay?
And the answer is yes!
You got all this stuff going on.
There's a big, wide universe out there, and our particular solar system and our little planet is just this little, you know, one little planet around a third-rate sun out in the boondocks of the galaxy out here.
I'm kind of out on the fringe.
So, there is so much stuff going on and we are only just now becoming aware of it.
It's just like the remote viewing, you know, this has been scientifically proved, but this is just cracking the door on stuff because up until recently, you know, everybody just thought psychic stuff just, you know, did not exist.
The quantum mechanics, we're making dimensions.
It used to be there were no dimensions other than our three dimensions, but now they pretty
well understand there's at least a fourth dimension, which most people consider maybe
time.
And now some of the leading theoreticians are saying there may be as many as ten dimensions.
So now they're admitting to perhaps ten.
Well if there's ten, maybe there's twenty or twenty-five.
Who knows?
We are just now beginning to understand and grasp a little bit of what's going on.
I would say the human race at this point in time is kind of like a teenager.
We've pulled ourselves out of the dark ages a little bit, but we certainly don't know everything that's going on.
And when you look back at technology, only say a hundred years ago, if you were to take a modern handheld color television set and take it back with a battery and a tape or something so you could play something, go back only a hundred years and show it to the average person, they would probably just cower and cringe and they'd say, my God, this is magic, you know, what's going on, and think it was some kind of magical thing.
So it's really pretty incredible.
So you can see where that if somebody was maybe just 100 years ahead of us, they would probably.
In fact, just within my own lifetime, I can remember back in college in the 60s studying computer science.
And we had to have these punch-out cards.
It was just terrible.
It was big and funky and unwieldy and a big hassle.
And I said, yeah, forget this.
And now, of course, now I've got these little laptop computers and you can use your finger
and dial around.
And I mean, it's just magical, really.
But you grow up with it and you understand it and you use it and you forget about it.
And I get very upset with my computer right now, because I think, here's this sophisticated, state-of-the-art piece of thing, and it won't do what I want it to do.
And then I have to remind myself, you know, computer science, even today, with all the marbles we have, and modems, and email, and the internet, this is just the infancy of it.
We're just now getting into this.
It's amazing.
Oh yeah, and computers are also developing every year.
They're always coming out with new stuff for them.
Yeah, every six months, everything's upgrading.
Right, and everything, it's like you have to keep upgrading.
I have a system at home which I'm planning to get back running.
But also, I was in Sedona about a week ago, and there was a lot of sightings out there in the skies.
And also, there was a lot of negativity about that vortex.
I don't know if you know anything about the vortex out there, but... I do.
What do you mean, negativity?
Well, like, in the daytime, it would be fine, because it's pure daylight burning through everything, but when you drive around out there, up at, um, where, I don't know if it's Bell Rock or if it's the other one, by the airport motel right there, Um, there was a lot of negative energy out there, and I don't know where it was coming from, but it wasn't really good.
Alright, well, I appreciate that.
Um, have you done any looking into this whole question of vortexes, Jim?
Not to any great extent, but I do know what you're talking about.
And I do know that there is an energy thing.
We are, again, back to what I was saying about how we're just now scratching the surface of some scientific knowledge and things that seem to be just magical to us, or we will probably understand more fully in a few hundred years.
But this thing about energy, you always hear, you know, I remember the hippies are always going, oh, it's the vibes, man, it's the vibrations.
Well, you know, they really were on to something because we're finding out that the human brain and human nervous system operates at certain frequencies, and yet you can manipulate it by using certain frequencies.
We should have known this all along because all you have to do is go in a dance club and if the music is really pounding it can either get you up or if they're playing some blues it can kind of bring you down.
We're beginning to understand this now.
There is something to this vibratory and vibration thing.
It can impact upon us.
There are certain areas, particularly around military installations and security installations, where the atmosphere is just kind of palatable.
You can just tell that there's a lot of negative energy there, a lot of very heavy energy going on, and I think it's because so many people there are concerned with security and they're fearful and they're, you know, borderline paranoid.
They're so concerned with it that they think everybody's out to get them.
Mm-hmm.
First time call our line.
You're on the air with Jim Mars.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
Hi, Tim.
Um, listen, I got a story that happened to me that I'd really like to tell you what happened.
Um, I was working upstate New York and as a security guard and, um, hello?
Yeah, we're listening.
And, uh, I saw sort of one night these lights coming down.
It was like 3 30 in the morning, these lights.
And I went over to see what happened.
And, uh, there was this thing, big round thing down there.
And I spoke to these people that came out.
Now, these weren't human beings, I promise you.
They were not human.
Okay?
And I was... What did they look like?
They were... I don't know.
I don't remember exactly.
I was, like, in a state of shock.
And I was talking to them... I was not talking to them in English.
And it was a language I'd never heard of before.
And I was just able to understand what they were saying.
I... I... I really... It was, like, a shocking thing that happened to me.
And, um... You know, and they were telling me that they're not from this universe, even.
They're not even from... You know, from...
Anything that we even see, we haven't heard of before.
And it would be, you know, and I asked them, you know, what, what does this mean?
You know, where are you from?
What?
And they said that they're basically going around from planet to planet.
And they said that in any universe that we ever heard of, that there's no living things.
So like all these things are Mars and whatever, from what they were telling me is not true.
I don't know for sure if they were on Mars or anything.
I don't know exactly, you know, but from what they told me, I mean, what do you say to all this?
Wait a minute, let me get this straight.
They told you there was no other life?
That's what they told me.
They told me there is a life.
I mean, they obviously came from somewhere.
Oh, yeah.
Not of any, you know, universe that we ever heard of.
They were from way out.
Yeah, yeah.
That's, hey, that's entirely possible.
It's a huge, big universe.
Dave Morehouse.
I love it.
He calls them intergalactic boat people.
Yeah.
They ain't got anything going much at home, so they just go out and travel around and see what's going on and they come and check us out occasionally.
I remember when I was living out in Lubbock, Texas.
Lubbock is a great place for a lot of fine people, but there's dust, and the desert, and the heat, and there's not much to do.
It's really not a great place.
For entertainment, a lot of times we'd go out and look at the prairie dogs.
That little prairie dog village, you know, and the little prairie dogs would scamper all around doing their little things.
And people would come out on the weekends and on the afternoons, they'd watch the prairie dogs.
Well, I think some of these people are coming here visiting us.
They're coming to look at the prairie dogs.
Look at the prairie dogs.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Jim Morris.
Hi.
Hi.
Thank you very much for taking my call.
You bet.
Mr. Morris, I've got a question for you, and just bear with me so I can get my view across, and then I'll take your answer off the air.
Now, the one caller kind of took my thunder a little bit there, but it led to another question.
We're stating the government's doing a big cover-up with these aliens.
Now, correct me, not correct me if I'm wrong, but it's just a thought.
Could it possibly be with all these preachings from the past and all that, I mean a wheel within a wheel, etc., etc., That may be the reason the government's covering up because these crashes, let's say, hypothetically speaking, they could be of a God, what we call God, and yet the government don't want us to know that we're greater than God, and I'll take your answer off the air.
All right, good luck with that one, Jim.
Well, let me preface this by saying that I consider myself a Christian, in fact, and I am a church member.
I think there is some tie-in here.
For instance, the remote viewers say that some of the beings that they encountered were essentially what they call white beings or transcendentals.
Others have called them disincorporates, light beings, energy beings.
However, here's what's interesting.
I don't think that the UFO issue or the extraterrestrial issue should in any way adversely impact us as far as the concept of Creator God goes, because the abductees, for instance, or contactees, many of them have asked and have gotten pretty much the same answer.
One lady who was a devout Christian kept asking her captors, you know, are you from God?
Are you from God?
And finally one of them said, look, our God is your God.
And I think that's probably it.
You know, the God is the God of the universe.
He creates the universe and he'd be the God over all of us, including extraterrestrials.
The only place where the UFO is going to be is the Earth.
issue is liable to really kind of cause a problem is strictly in this very egocentric idea that we are the apex of civilization and we are the, you know, the high point of God's creativity.
And I think that limits God, really.
I don't think, you know, and that particular concept, by the way, is not biblical.
There's nothing in the Bible that says, you know, we're it.
That concept came about just within the last several hundred years, and so that's probably going to take some adjustment, and there may be some ego deflation going on when we find out that not only are we not the only intelligent race in the universe, but we may not be the brightest or the most knowledgeable.
Do you think that we could handle that?
That's where we always go with Brookings.
In other words, we are not the center of everything.
We are not the brightest.
We are not, as a matter of fact, even a type one civilization.
We're just sort of in the outskirts and going nowhere fast.
Kind of second class citizens?
That's right.
Well, Art, let me just put it this way.
Doesn't about 90% of us have to deal with that in our lifetime anyway?
Yes.
Of course.
Yes, we do.
Of course.
If you're in a school room, there's always the bright one that makes a hundred on the test, and then everybody else trails along somewhere down the line, and that doesn't mean that they end their life or get despondent or go into deep depression.
You just have to, you know, do your thing and go on.
Is all of this going to come out in our lifetimes?
I am firmly convinced it will.
I am firmly convinced it will.
I was not so sure up until about 10 years ago, but I really think things are barreling ahead so fast.
Things are coming to a head so fast.
Things have got to change, and things are changing, you know.
Back in the early 70s, I looked forward and I said, you know, there's going to be some real earth changes taking place.
And the amazing thing, Art, is that they have actually taken place.
Starting with Mount St.
Helens, we've had five major volcanic eruptions on the North American continent.
This was something that had never happened before in recorded history.
Recorded history.
And then we've had the worst, just in the last ten years, we've had the worst hurricanes.
We've had the worst tornadoes.
The numbers of these things have increased.
We've had major earthquakes and more on the way.
All this stuff's happening.
You don't read about it in your newspaper, and you don't hear about it on the 5 o'clock news, except just as, you know, one thing happens, you hear about that, and then six months later, you hear about something else.
Indeed, Jim.
Hold on, we're at the top of the hour.
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For a while. It's not here in the New Orleans area. It was around the 60s from 60s forward.
forward.
It's a very religious area, I might add.
Very religious area.
Very sober area.
Dry counties, if you will.
It's very interesting to me.
And with my appetite, I made a little jaunt up there this past year and found a lot of articles.
And I found elderly gentlemen that work with people.
Yes, I'd like to do that if I could get some sort of a number or something like that.
Alright, let's see what we can do for you on that score.
and I spoke with him and he says, I've been following this since the mid-40s.
Alright, well if you can't tell us any more, then contact Jim privately.
Yes, I'd like to do that if I could get some sort of a number
or something like that.
Alright, let's see what we can do for you on that score.
Jim, if people want to contact you, is there a way to do it?
Good question.
I'll tell you what, I'll leave you my number.
The problem is, the only number I got is my number.
Don't give that out.
One thing else, yeah, let me leave that with you, Art, and then... No, no, no, no, don't do that.
How about an address?
He could write to you.
Sure, sure.
Okay, Post Office Box 189.
Springtown, Texas.
One word.
Springtown, Texas.
7-6-0-8-2.
7-6-0-8-2.
Jim Morris, P.O.
Box 189.
Springtown, Texas.
7-6-0-8-2.
Yep.
Alright, good.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Jim Morris from Springtown, Texas.
P.O. Box 189 Springtown, Texas 76082. Yep. All right, good.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Jim Morris from Springtown, Texas.
Wildcard Line? Yes.
This is Carolyn in Phoenix.
Hi there.
And, uh, it's time to reveal what all of this is about.
You're right.
And I'm excited, and I'm anxious, and I'm in love.
It's bring the light of God back into the White House, and the lights over Phoenix are the resurrection of Phoenix, which is my beloved Bernard J. Addington, and he needs to come out on front stage And it has been, Jim, about 12 years since this was revealed, and I learned the truth about us.
He is the truth, the justice, and the light from light, true God from true God, and our true President, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, and I love him very much, and I wish he would come back in the flesh, So that we can all see him and he can be in the White House.
Huh?
There's a lot... Excuse me, ma'am, but... He is the lights over Phoenix.
Who is?
Bernie.
Bernard J. Addington.
Who is that?
He is... God.
King of Kings.
The Lord of Lords.
The true President and CEO of Planet Earth.
And he comes in the flesh and he also comes from the light.
Jim, do you know who she's talking about?
I think I missed that one.
Yeah, I'm afraid I've missed it too.
But he was the light.
Come, Bernie, and in Revelations you'll hear, come, Lord Jesus.
All right, well, that person I understand, but Addington, I don't know.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Marzullo.
Yes, sir.
I'm calling from Atlanta, Georgia.
Yes, sir.
I have a question for Mr. Marzullo.
All right.
Do you know the definition for religion?
Do I have a definition for religion?
Do you know the true definition for religion?
Are we talking religion or are we talking spirituality?
I'm reading from the Random House College Dictionary.
Uh-huh.
The definition for religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances and often having a moral code For the conduct of human affairs.
And, where are you going with this?
I have in my possession, uh, some information from a CG issue.
CG is Social, Economical, Environmental, Geometrical, and Intellectual Issues and Concepts.
This information was transmitted to me by Dijon Spa, Incorporated, an organization formed with the purpose of participating and educating the masses In a more positive, social, economical, environmental, geometrical, intellectual way.
The origins of this organization date way back to before I was born.
I and others like me are merely conduits of a source power that is God himself.
We serve him through our daily activities with the blessings of Jesus Christ.
Alright, well here we are again, Jim.
Religion, belief systems, people are drifting to I guess they are the basis of their belief systems and a
lot of them are going to religion.
That's true.
And again, I happen to believe that there is a universal creator, God, and I do believe
that there are spiritual matters that we need to be dealing with.
But unfortunately, so many people turn to gurus, leaders, whatever, seeking guidance.
They want somebody to tell them what to do and how to live their life, and I think that's where they get off the track.
I think that God gave us an on-board computer, which we call the brain.
and I think we need to all use that and figure things out for ourselves and learn to take
care of ourselves.
I wonder sometimes about their presence.
Whether they're really not here, whether we just want and we're reaching out and hoping
for somebody who will come and save our butts, and they really won't, that we have free will
and they're going to sit back there and just sort of watch us destroy ourselves.
Well, are you saying that perhaps there's nothing there?
That it's just our imagination?
It's occurred to me.
Hopes?
It's occurred to me.
It's occurred to me, too.
That's why I seriously considered that for years.
But I'll tell you what, the two things that convinced me otherwise Or number one, the advent of the camcorder.
You know, there's hardly a week goes by that somebody doesn't get a good picture of a UFO.
Well, obviously you can't take a picture of a hallucination, or a dream, or whatever.
So they represent some sort of tangible, objective reality.
The second thing, of course, again, was the military scientific studied and used remote unit.
They've seen them.
They've been there.
Let me tell you a little story that's pretty spooky, but this helps convince me that this is all very real.
Back sometime back, when that program Stargate was in operation, you had Mel Riley, who was one of the original, I call them the PSI spies, and he is very, very good and became a very, very good remote viewer.
And, uh, he told me the story one time.
In fact, gave me a copy of the report they did.
They realized after looking at all this stuff that it was not just willy-nilly and happenstance.
In other words, these crafts are coming from somewhere, they're going somewhere, they've got some agenda.
And they realized that for all of this to be somehow in concert, for certain things to be going on, for instance, it's obvious that they all have one rule, which is to don't give away their presence in an obvious manner here.
that there's some sort of concerted effort going on.
So that means there is some sort of an overall authority behind all this.
In other words, what they were seeing was not just happenstance.
There was some sort of wham and reason going on to it.
And so they decided they were going to take a remote viewing session
and try to find the central authority.
They said, why we keep seeing this and this and this and we can't, we're having a hard time putting it all together and trying to understand it.
Let's just go to the source.
Let's go to the authority and find out what's going on.
And so they targeted Mel Reilly to go to for, and keep in mind, this was just a description.
They had no other way to describe it other than to call it Galactic Headquarters.
Okay.
Right.
So he takes off.
And, uh, in his mind's eye, he visits this place.
It's a very definite place.
It's on another world.
It, uh, he saw a, um, a ziggurat, a pyramid-type building with a long, uh, runway running up to it, and two big obelisks on each side, and it was up on a high mountain plateau with huge mountains all around, and a very still, quiet lake, which, uh, reminded him of pictures he'd seen of Lake Titicaca, okay?
And he goes inside this place mentally, and he sees a very high domed ceiling, and in the center of this big room was like a raised platform, a dais, or maybe even an altar, and he got the very different impression that there's something very spiritual about this whole place, okay?
And he described it in some detail.
Now, this was a report that was done back in the late Well, uh, late 80s, I guess.
Maybe around 87, something like that.
In the mid-90s, I happened to run across a fella who had no connection with the military program.
but had been doing remote viewing for about 20 years and had been practicing for a long
time and he turned out to be a very good remote viewer too.
One day in a conversation with him we got off into some stuff and he said, well yeah I
think there is some controlling points within the galaxy. There's like six or seven of
these places.
And I said, oh, isn't that kind of Galactic Headquarters?
And he kind of laughed.
He said, yeah, I guess you'd have to call it that.
He said, I called it the Federation Headquarters or whatever.
And I said, so you've gone to this place?
And he said, yes.
And I said, well, you know, describe it.
You know, what is it?
Art, he gives me the exact same description as Mel Riley had years before.
He says it's on a plane, there's a lake, there's a pyramid-type building with a long ramp, two obelisks on either side, inside's a huge domed room with this raised platform in the center.
The exact same description.
Now, you know, what's that all about?
Either these fellows did not know each other, this was years apart, I don't see any way that they could have colluded on their story So that means they're either both dreaming the same dream, or coming up with the same thing, or this is a reality and they both went and went to the same place and both were described in the same place.
Alright, well a lot of what you're saying sounds a lot like what Sheldon Neidl says.
Are you familiar with him?
Perhaps not.
The Galactic Federation, I believe.
Alright, hold on Jim, we'll get right back to you.
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Hi.
Hi.
Uh, my name is Trish.
I'm from, uh, Saskatchewan, Canada.
Hi, Trish.
It's really good to hear you back on the air.
Uh, thank you.
I'm worried about you with that flu.
Uh, I believe I've been contacted, and I'm just calling to find out how do you know if contact has been made.
Is it only by dreams or other methods?
Well, how do you feel like you've been contacted?
I have this constant feeling that I'm being called home and it's getting really annoying.
But you haven't gotten any specific directions, right?
It's just kind of an intuitive feeling.
It's mostly a feeling.
There's, I don't know, there's times when I feel like I'm picking up things from songs or Just little things and dreams like, I don't know, I dreamt that I got a website that I've never even heard of before last night and just, I don't know, just like I'm supposed to meet up with somebody or a huge feeling of anticipation.
Well, that's interesting.
I think a whole lot of us might be feeling anticipation.
I think there's interesting things going on.
I don't really know about your individual case, but what we're finding out is that there's a lot more to life than just our normal day-to-day activities.
So stay in touch with that, but don't go overboard.
Do you hear what I'm saying?
I'm sure she does.
She's offline now, but I'm sure she does.
Wal-Mart Line, you're on the air with Jim Morris.
Hi.
Hi, Jim.
I can't wait to read your book.
I've been stuck in this thing about the ETs and I'm a contactee myself.
In fact, I was contacted this past April and I really believe that I'll probably be contacted again this coming April too.
But this past April, Uh, I actually saw the triangle-shaped craft with the, uh, rounded edges.
Uh-huh.
You know, at the top on three sides?
And the funny thing about it, it had a very small one with sharp edges, like, connected to the side of it.
What connected to the side of it?
Uh, well, a, uh, small triangle with sharp edges.
That part of it, or like it was attached?
It was attached to the side of this one that was really gigantic.
It had rounded edges on it.
Uh-huh.
Well, we've heard that before.
Hasn't there been something about a triangle craft that, a lighter-than-air type triangle craft that carries other crafts?
Yeah, I think there's something like that.
Of course, you know, the thing that went over Phoenix apparently was kind of a boomerang shape or in the form of a triangle.
Let me ask the caller this.
You say you're a contactee.
Have you ever attempted to carry on a normal conversation with these folks?
Again, the caller is gone.
So, sorry about that, Jim.
But speaking of the thing over Phoenix, Art, I'm sure you're well aware that, you know, the description of that thing really matches very, very closely to what they described over Belgium about a year previously.
That's correct.
And in fact, something I've seen myself.
You know what's interesting is over in Europe, they took the thing very seriously.
Of course, they've got more of a news media over there.
There was a lot of concern, a lot of people saying, what was it?
I forget now if it was the French government or the Belgian government, but one of the governments Came out and said, look, this is some secret testing that's going on, and, you know, we just have to keep it secret.
And everybody went, oh, well, okay.
And that was kind of that.
It bothers me that in this home of the free, land of the brave, that our government can't even work up to saying something like that.
They try to tell us, you're not seeing anything, it's not there.
Well, they manage us.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Morris.
Hi.
Yes, sir.
I'm calling from Atoka, Oklahoma.
Okay.
And I'd like to ask Jim if he knows about an extinction cycle of events that we have coming.
It's the same type of cycle that killed the dinosaurs at various points in the past.
The status quo knows about it, and they've been covering it up.
But now they finally realize that they have to do something about it or nobody is going to survive on the planet.
Do you think this is going to prompt them to come forward then and start admitting things?
They are going to have to if they want to survive along with the rest of us.
They thought, i.e.
the status quo, thought that they could twist everything around to Make man appear as the all-knowing, all-seeing God.
And, in fact, the six-fingered aliens are our creators.
You're going to want to listen tomorrow night to a guest I'm going to have on tomorrow night, sir.
Wes of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Morris.
Hi.
Good morning, Art and Jim.
Hi.
I just had one question for Jim.
Why is the frequency of these visits by the ETs to our planet That is a good one, and that is kind of the basis of my book, Alien Agenda.
What is the Alien Agenda?
I'll tell you briefly what I think it is.
Number one, there are various races that are visiting Earth, some perhaps even interdimensional, intertemporal.
And although in the past the Prime Directive has been in effect, which is that, and this is something that's not necessarily a law, the way we understand a law, it's more of an understanding.
When you get advanced enough to travel through the stars, you realize that it's simply not right to interfere with the natural evolution of the species.
So everybody agrees that they're not going to do anything that's going to really interfere with the natural progress of the race.
But in our case, We've upset the avocard.
Starting in 1945, when we set off the first atomic bomb, we now have it within our technological means to absolutely destroy this planet.
Well now, not only are we creating a problem by destroying this whole species, ourselves, but as celestial mechanics would tell you, that if the Earth is actually physically destroyed or seriously disrupted, This would cause problems all through not only our solar system, but probably through the galaxy.
So now they're concerned about us, but they're still caught on this prime directive.
They don't want to directly interfere with us.
So what do they do?
They do what we did with the Pasadena Indians over in the Philippines back in the 70s when they were a Stone Age tribe that we discovered.
You let yourself be seen slowly at first, and then you get a little closer, and then you let yourself be seen a little more frequently until the Well primitive society begins to understand that they're not alone but then they understand that you're not an enemy and then finally you can kind of make contact and what they're trying to do is in a very non-threatening way
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This is Jen Monterey.
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covert way is to kick us up along the evolutionary ladder so that maybe we won't blow ourselves
up and maybe we can get to the point to where we can take our rightful place as a responsible
member of the galactic community.
All right, Caller.
That's it.
Thank you.
All right.
Thank you and take care.
First time Caller on the line, you're on the air with Jim Mars.
Hi.
Thank you.
This is Jen Monterrey.
Yes.
And love you, Art.
Jim, what you say is very altruistic and, you know, positive.
How about the biological testing that allegedly goes on with the abductees?
Um, as early as 92, um, we had a, you know, problem like that with one of our kids and we called John Mack's office when he was still at Cambridge and they put us in touch with a network of three therapists on the West Coast who were very avant-garde in, you know, that specific kind of therapy.
It didn't work and she's now dying of a tumor, you know, in the side of the, what she claims was a testing.
She claimed she was, you know, impregnated and then the baby was taken and now, you know, now this is happening.
Right.
I wonder how many people who have claimed to have lost babies, you know, have had follow-up cancer.
I wonder, you know, if you say that they're trying to help us up the evolutionary ladder.
Now that's the overall alien agenda.
If you've been listening to the whole program, earlier I said that I think that there seems to be some evidence that our military and intelligence chiefs who want to maintain power and who are after their own agendas, if a deal has been cut, it's been cut between them and a faction of an alien race.
In other words, it's their hawks dealing with our hawks.
Uh, if you understand what I'm saying.
I do.
Okay, so.
If we can be honest.
And obviously the abduction experience is not a positive thing for everybody.
And I think that we do have to be careful.
We have to try to maintain a balance between totally ignoring the situation or totally going to the other extreme and saying, oh, our space brothers are here to save us.
I don't think that's the case.
I don't think Art thinks that's the case.
No, I don't.
And I don't think you think that's the case.
I don't either.
And I think that a contemporary comment is that I believe deeply in my heart that the Clinton thing is merely a diversion because You know, thousands of scientists wanting to present.
I really do.
I think we all agree about that.
All right.
I want to bring something else up.
Just briefly touch on it.
An awful lot of UFO researchers, people deeply involved, have been coming up with these very aggressive cancers lately, Jim.
Right.
Any comment, or do you want to stay away from that?
Well, you know, the problem there is you get off into paranoia, Phil, because, you know, how do you know?
I mean, people do get cancer, so you talk about your ultimate plausible deniability there, and yet it does seem, you know, to kind of go over the edge, and of course, again, going back to my experience with the Kennedy assassination, you can argue over how many people, you know, died mysteriously and in strange circumstances, But the fact that many did is incontrovertible.
So, you know, it can happen, but gosh, I don't know.
Speaking of Congressman Schiff, of course.
Oh, yeah.
Sherry Adamek, Stephen Greer.
Yeah.
And so forth.
Strange stuff.
It's a spooky deal.
Let me add a thought to you here, Art.
You know, we were talking about About how you mentioned the Brookings report, which of course predicted that if it was announced that there was contact or that there was another advanced intelligent species that our society would just fall into anarchy and chaos.
That's what they fear.
Here's an idle thought.
What if it's the exact reverse?
Disaster strikes communities when there's a tornado or hurricane or flood.
The people, you know, the best side of human nature comes out.
And they band together.
And they start working with each other.
And they start working towards common purposes and goals.
What if that's what they really fear?
And that's why they want to keep it secret.
They're afraid that we might realize that there's other stuff going on.
Forget our petty differences and start working together and figuring out what's really going on.
You know, Ronald Reagan said that a number of times.
He did, didn't he?
Yeah, he sure did.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Jim Mars.
Hi.
Hello, Art, and hello, Jim.
Howdy.
I want to report that, like Art, I saw you trying that draft, but it was way back in October of 1980.
In Central Georgia.
I almost did not see this thing out of the corner of my eye and then I thought it was like a piece of track.
It had been raining and misty and it was like less than 100 feet from the ground.
Absolutely silent.
And then maybe a few hundred yards later it just made a maneuver.
It just tilted up straight up and like spin on a dime.
I saw it lit up at that point in a triangular shape.
How big was this thing?
This thing was, I would say, 150 feet across.
Very much like what I saw.
I've heard Art describe his, and they seem to just go over and just keep going, but this thing tilted up.
I've heard the description of lighter than air, but I've never seen it lighter than aircraft.
It was more like anti-gravity.
This was about 1980.
Right.
Art, when did you see yours?
Mine was about four years ago, and I wouldn't say it was a lighter-than-air craft.
I think it was a very solid craft, and I think that it was defying gravity.
There's no question about that.
It floated directly above me, and it was about 150 feet from one point of the triangle to another, and it just floated directly above us and kept on going out across the valley.
Well, my point would be is that if this was some sort of like a secret government, you know, piece of equipment that they were testing.
Right.
And they were testing it in 1980, and then by the time you saw it, which is, you know, four years from today, and today we're talking almost 20 years later, uh, think of a car 20 years ago.
I mean, it's, you know, it's, I can't see why they would keep something like that secret for 20 years if it was one of ours.
Nor can I. That's two of us.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Mars, huh?
Yes, good evening Art.
Mr. Mars, I applaud your work.
What do you say we jumpstart the new paradigm and take an aggressive approach to the alien agenda and initiate a mass communication process and make a mass call?
Because as I understand, the prime directive is that they will not interfere with our free will.
So if we were to take an international, I don't know, work it through the internet or some sort of major PR campaign and initiate some sort of mass communication process.
Dialing intergalactic 9-1-1.
Will you organize it?
Let me know when it's going to happen.
I've tried it.
I've tried it.
I've done it.
I suggest March 29th of this year.
I was a little premature on my prediction before, Art, as I predicted some sightings over Phoenix.
I've looked again, and I'm looking at March 29th as a very opportune moment.
Dear, about two weeks before the Phoenix sightings of March 13th, we tried that, a mass communication.
I mean, if telepathy is the manner of communication, then it's entirely reasonable that we would try a mass communication.
The government won't be able to stop that.
And once they land, it'll be a moot point.
I mean, as much as I respect Mr. Bassett's approach, I don't really think information's going to be forthcoming from the government for a long time.
And I think if we really want to see something happen, we are going to have to make the call.
Jim, I have the same feeling about Steve Bassett's approach.
I very much respect what he's trying to do.
I'm just a little lost about whether it's the right approach.
Well, believe it or not, I'm with both you two.
I question it too, but again, let me reiterate my position and I think it's a position we should all take, which is let's have our cake and eat it too.
Let's do both.
Let's don't get split into two warring camps over let's trust the government, let's don't trust the government.
Push the government.
Tell them, look, do what you're supposed to do.
Try to support those initiatives.
And at the same time, let's do our thing and try to get on with it.
All right.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Mars.
Hello.
Yes, hello.
Yes, sir.
I just wanted to make a comment about how I feel that if aliens were actually shown to be absolutely true to the world, if they manifest themselves in a way that It was like, okay, they're here.
How that would challenge, you know, people's views on religion and how I feel.
Severe.
Also that, like in our country with Christianity and as Mr. Morris said, you know, he believes in the Bible and I really feel that that would pretty much disprove and challenge a lot of people's religious beliefs.
What would it disprove?
Um, am I on the air?
You better be.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
I thought I was being screened.
No.
Okay, um... Don't screen calls.
I thought it happened one time before when I called, but, uh, that was weird.
Okay, um, yeah, well, uh... Challenge people's religious beliefs, you said.
Yeah.
In what way?
Well, um, I used to... I'm actually... I'm pretty skeptical when it comes to religion.
I used to...
Be very intense with Christianity.
I studied the Bible a lot, and I'm pretty skeptical.
All right, so in what way would it challenge your beliefs?
Well, it wouldn't challenge my beliefs now.
I mean, the way I look at it, if something can be shown to be true, then I just have to accept that.
And, you know, it's part of the way it is.
You know, it's truth, right?
Right.
But I think what you'll find is that Is that when people's religious beliefs get seriously challenged, it's going to create a lot of tension because, you know, it comes from a strong psychological need.
I mean, that's what religion serves.
So, you know, that's that's like really important, too.
It should be understood.
When bad things happen to people, they say, well, it must be God's will.
I can't just say it's God's will.
That's it.
All right, Jim, we are out of time.
I really want to thank you for being here again and sort of breaking us away from the mess in Washington.
We got into the big intergalactic mess, right?
That's exactly right.
Thank you so much, Jim.
This has been great.
We'll need to do this again sometime.
We shall.
Good night, Jim.
Good night.
All right, that's Jim Mars, author of Alien Agenda.
I'm Art Bell.
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