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Jan. 20, 1998 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Open Lines - new Phoenix Lights testimonies (hour 1)
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at 9 on AM 1500 KSTV.
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From the Kingdom of Nye. This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
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Now, here again is Art.
Once again, here I am, good morning, trying to get my radio legs in.
I'm back from the flu, which is almost like being back from the dead.
I had Nigh on to a week and a half worth of fever every single day.
Oh, it was bad.
It was bad.
It was the Australian version of the flu, and I'll tell you more about that, but it's all done.
Pretty much all done.
Went to the doctor, got antiviral stuff, and psyllin stuff, and I'm pretty much better.
Anyway, coming up in a moment, Uh, David, and we'll ask him before we use his last name, who works for a regional airline that feeds America West.
He's a commercial pilot, and he saw something in Phoenix.
The whole thing in Phoenix seems to be coming alive again.
Anyway, one of the first things that I should do here is take care of my commercial load, because I blew it off last... The last half hour shows you how my radio legs have gone.
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Alright, let us go now to, actually, Where is it we're going to?
I don't think Phoenix.
Dave, welcome to the program.
Hi, Art.
Hi.
Dave, where are you presently?
Olympia, Washington.
Olympia, Washington.
All right.
And you're a commercial airline pilot?
Yes, sir.
First of all, most commercial airline pilots, Dave, do you want to use your last name or not?
Oh, I don't have any problem with it.
David Johnson, right?
Okay, David.
Most commercial airline pilots, Would have a problem with it, with giving their name and giving the sort of report you're about to give, or has all that sort of changed?
I don't see a problem with it.
All I'm reporting is some lights that I saw in the sky.
Uh-huh.
When?
It was January the 14th.
Okay, and you were where doing what?
We were coming in on a flight from Des Moines, Iowa to Phoenix.
Right.
A commuter type, I mean passenger type flight?
Yeah, I fly a Canadair regional jet.
It's a 50-pastor jet.
Okay.
We were coming in to land at Phoenix.
It was our last flight of the day.
Okay, and what did you... What time, roughly, of the day?
Well, it was just before 8 o'clock.
We actually touched down... Our wait on wheels time was about 54 minutes after 7, so it would have been about 4, 5 minutes before that.
Wait on wheels, huh?
Yeah, that's... We've got a little clock on our airplane when there's... There's a proximity sensor in the gear, and when the gear touches down, it clocks your time on.
Gotcha.
Alright, so you know exactly then when you landed, and exactly or very nearly just when you saw this object.
Oh, yes.
Or objects.
Describe what you saw.
Well, we were approaching from the northeast.
Just to the west of Scottsdale.
Right.
And we were making an approach to 26R, which is the northern of the two runways in Phoenix.
And my first officer, the controller had pointed out some traffic to us that was approaching to the other runway, and he was looking for that as I was turning in towards the runway, and he said, what are those two lights?
And I looked up and saw two lights that at first looked to me like perhaps landing lights of an airplane, because there were two of them, It looked like it was very close, and I said, you mean those?
And he said, yes.
And then it dawned on me, because just to the left of them I could see this, they had pointed out a, I believe it was a Southwest airliner from the South.
I saw the landing lights on the Southwest plane, and it dawned on me at that point that the two lights I was looking at weren't landing lights at all.
They were much larger, and I would say they were more like the Color of some of the parking lot lights you see in some of the newer parking lots that are supposed to get that on light pollution.
Sure.
Kind of an orange, I call it a salmon color.
Not quite orange and not quite pink, but an orange's glow.
All right, I should tell you that I've got a report here from a listener that said the newest round of lights over Phoenix, according to Channel 5, they're reporting the Air Force said the lights were, get this, once again, flares being deployed over the very Goldwater Gunnery Range located south of Gila Bend.
Now, they're saying that the flares, uh, were oddly bright and large due to the high moisture content of the air and the pollution of the air over Phoenix.
Uh, does, does that sound like, do you believe it could be flares?
Well, I'm not too sure if I've ever seen flares that I could judge that by, but, um, the lights were down from where, from my vantage point down over South Mountain towards the, uh, Sierra Estrella Mountains, which are just to the southwest of Phoenix.
Yes, sir.
Well, I understand what you say when you say it's difficult to judge, but size-wise, if you had to estimate their distance and therefore their size based on that distance, how big a thing were you looking at?
Well, that's a tough question.
Seeing something in the air and seeing it on the ground are a much different vantage point.
I would, they were large, much larger than the landing lights on the plane that we were looking at, and that they seem to be quite a bit further away.
Alright, even, even, you say you also were seeing landing lights, and I presume that if the air was a factor, that other landing lights would have been affected in a similar manner.
If there was some sort of diffusion going on because of the humidity in the air, or pollution in the air, or whatever it is they're claiming here.
I presume that it would have affected other landing lights at some distance as well.
You know, in a similar fashion.
I don't specifically recall any excess moisture in the air that evening, but all I know is I could see the landing lights of the airplane we were following into the airport, and these two lights over the top of South Mountain appeared to be different than anything I've seen.
Did you report it then?
Uh, no.
Oh, you didn't?
Would you normally report something like that, or normally not?
Well, you know, at the time, Art, I didn't... I didn't think a lot of it, except for it looked unusual.
And then as we got... Of course, I was busy in the landing phase of the flight, so... As we got closer to the ground, I suddenly realized that these lights went out of sight behind South Mountain, and that's when...
It dawned on me that they were further away than I had originally thought they were.
And again, well, can you make a judgment or even a guess about how far away you think they were from you?
Is there a way to do that?
All I could say is they were on the other side of South Mountain and from where I was at, South Mountain was probably 8 to 10 miles away.
Okay, 8 to 10 miles plus then.
Yes.
How large to the eye would these lights be?
I mean, if you were to hold your thumb out, as far as you could hold it, as large as your thumb, as large as a dime, a quarter, is there any reference you can give us?
No, probably the only reference is the landing lights on the 737 that was turning into the other runway were probably four or five times smaller But of course, it was probably quite a bit closer than these lights, too.
Wow.
Well, yeah, but things get smaller at a greater distance, right?
Oh, yeah.
Presumably, so that would make them comparatively very, very large.
Well, it appeared that way, and that's why after I landed, I thought it was unusual.
Well, David, I really appreciate it.
Did you have a conversation with your first officer about all of this afterwards?
Oh yeah, not a detailed conversation because it was our last flight and we both left to go home, but we talked about the fact that they were unusual and after we had parked the airplane I said to him, I said, you know those kind of look similar to what I had seen on some video about a month or two ago.
I saw some video on one of the TV shows in the... Of the March 13th famous lights in Phoenix.
Right.
And the difference being the lights that I saw in the video were, I believe, in like a wedge or a V formation.
That's correct.
And these particular lights, there were just two of them and they were by themselves.
But the color and the relative size looked similar.
Boy, what is it about Phoenix?
How long have you been flying?
Since 1983.
How many times have you seen something like this?
Like the lights I saw?
Yes, sir.
Never?
Never.
No?
I mean, I've seen lights in the air, usually it's landing lights or things like that, but nothing, and the color is what really struck me, is that odd orange glow, and it kind of, they pulsed, they'd get slightly brighter and slightly dim.
Was there a An unusual amount of pollution over Phoenix that night.
Well, I couldn't tell you that, Art.
I mean, it seems like the more I fly in and out of Phoenix, the more pollution I see.
I just couldn't say that, especially at night.
It's hard to judge.
All right, David, I really appreciate you coming forward, and it will encourage others to come forward.
We have a lot of reports of lights, just as you have described, and why in Phoenix specifically, I don't know, but I appreciate you coming on the air.
Sure.
Thank you, David.
Glad you're feeling better.
Thank you.
Thank you very much, and take care.
All right, that's a commercial airline pilot for a regional airline that feeds America West.
David Johnson.
And he is but one of many who have seen, again, what appears to be another set of lights that have appeared over the city of Phoenix.
Why Phoenix?
I don't know.
But I have report after report after report of more stuff seen in Phoenix.
So, he's certainly not the only one, but he is a qualified observer, and I thought you should hear from him.
All right, we are going to stay with open lines, and anything you want to talk about is fair game.
I've got a whole lot of material here.
Again, I've got a report here from San Diego saying that two San Diego scientists have now proven that the fossilized bacteria, or whatever it was in the Mars rock they thought was life, is actually of earthly origin.
Now, this is just from a listener, so I would like to give some confirmation on it.
Einstein is not going to run for governor of California as the president would have her do.
He's the only one, she is the only one, that he believes could win.
Kaczynski, indeed, is competent to stand trial.
Whether or not he's going to be allowed to represent himself is another question altogether.
On the cloning front, it looks like the Jews may allow cloning.
It may be that Jewish tradition and belief does not rule out cloning as it would seem to here in the West.
As you know, Richard Seed, a physicist, says, and is continuing to say, by the way, that he has determined to clone a human child within 18 months.
They have warned him against doing that.
I would very much like to interview Dr. Seed.
And see exactly what it is he has in mind, how he would go about doing it, and what he thinks the implications of it would be.
So if anybody has Dr. Seed's ear out there, email me or fax me or something, and we indeed will interview him.
And I've got a lot of other news here, which I'll kind of slip in as we go, but we're going to do open lines tonight.
It is so very good to be back.
After having a temperature, running a temperature of fever, Uh, for about a week and a half.
On and off, on and off.
You know, take aspirin, it goes down a little bit.
Uh, stop taking them, it goes back up again, that sort of thing.
So, I have returned from this horrid little flu, which my doctor told me is type A Sydney, that, uh, my wife and I caught, that we would have caught whether or not we took this year's flu shot comforting her.
Which I did not.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hey, what's up, man?
Uh-huh.
This is Ari in Texas.
Yes, sir.
Hey, uh, I had a prediction.
I know it's kind of late now, but... No, you're way late.
I mean, you can make it, but I'm not recording it officially.
That's all right, that's all right.
All right, what is it?
Um, I'm predicting that a few of the states in the United States will legalize marijuana or hemp for industrial use.
Really?
Yeah, I think, uh, maybe Kentucky...
Colorado, Tennessee, maybe.
But they can't do that.
Well, for industrial use.
I don't think they can even do that.
I know, but there's a lot of farmers that are really, like, going for it because... What I mean is there is, I know there are, but there's a federal prohibition law against it.
And so I don't think at the state level they could do it.
Yeah.
They could do it and it would be struck down.
Or it would be tested, uh, at the U.S.
Supreme Court.
Now... Well, I think if the people want it, it's gonna be shown that way, at least.
Oh, please.
Uh, look at California and Arizona.
The people voted what they wanted there, and the courts turned it around.
Yeah, but, uh, like one of your, uh, callers said, or somebody said, leaders follow.
They don't really lead.
Well, uh, whoever said that is exactly right.
Thank you.
They, uh, that's right.
Most of the time, they do not lead.
They wet their finger, and they put it up into the air, and they sort of test public sentiment.
We have a president who definitely does that, matter of fact.
And if public sentiment says, do this, why, he generally then is driven toward doing that.
It's not a totally bad trait.
Uh, but it is not traditionally what the American people have known as leadership.
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All right, we're going to talk to you about this.
All right.
Hello, Art.
Hi.
I was wondering if you could give us an update on a couple items.
I could try.
The station that I heard yesterday's run was on cold fusion.
Yes.
And I'm just kind of wondering what was happening on that.
And also, many months ago... Okay, I'll answer the question one at a time.
Okay, all right.
There were experiments that went on in Japan and were given up, I understand.
In Europe, they are ongoing, and they believe that they have cold fusion well underway.
But the American scientists who invented it had to flee to Europe.
So, the amount of news we get on the progress of cold fusion is slim and none.
I don't have much information for you, I'm sorry.
Okay.
You know what's going on over there, not here.
Yeah.
Okay, the other one was many months ago, somebody had called in a few times over a hole that they had in Washington.
Mills Hole.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was several miles deep or something.
Well, it had no... The military took it over?
That's the way the story goes, yes.
And that's the last That's the last we know about it.
I mean, Strange Universe went up there with cameras and investigative teams and everything, and they found military boot prints and all that, but they did not find a hole.
Ah, okay.
That doesn't mean it's not there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right?
All right.
Thank you very much.
You bet.
Wish I could give you some other update.
I know that they did an extensive investigation.
There's a long story about a guy who threw refrigerators and cows, and for years they threw things into this hole.
And there was no bottom to it.
No bottom.
It was Mel's hole.
And we interviewed Mel over, I don't know, two or three different interviews.
And it really got to be a gigantic story.
And then, in the end, Mel sold out.
Went to Australia, where he's no doubt to A living happily ever after on the money he recovered from leasing.
Actually, leasing.
I believe he leased the whole to the military.
It was a wild story.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Hi.
All right.
Turn your radio off, please.
Okay, hold on.
Let me get under the covers.
All right, that's the first thing.
Get under the covers.
Sorry.
Can you still hear me?
Get under the covers.
Turn your radio off.
In the bathroom.
Hold on.
Okay.
Hold on while you do that.
Sorry.
Had to get the guy out of bed, I guess.
I was just talking to you about the, um, the lights.
Yes, the pilot.
Yes, it was an atmospheric thing here.
How do you know?
Um, I work for a television station here, not the one that you mentioned, but a different one.
Right.
And we have a camera on top of the tallest building in Arizona.
Right.
And it's maneuverable all over the city, you can see everywhere.
Right.
And they did a time-lapse that night, and, um, the, excuse me, I'm a little nervous.
It's alright.
The planes, you could see the planes landing at Sky Harbor Airport.
Right.
And our meteorologist explained that due to all the moisture in the air, um, hold on a second.
Now the pilot said there was not an unusual amount of moisture in the air.
Um, there was a lot of moisture in the air.
There was.
Um, Sky Harbor actually was closed down, um, on Sunday and Monday morning because of fog.
Because of fog?
Yeah.
In Phoenix?
Yep.
Fog or smog?
Fog.
Okay.
It had rained here, like, Saturday night.
Right.
Now, it does do that in the desert.
The day after it rains, it can get really weird and foggy.
Yeah, and it was horribly foggy.
It was fogged in for, this is, let's see, that was Sunday, Monday, and then Wednesday, Um, the station started to get up.
Right.
So they just went to the Bancorn UltraCam.
Right.
And they did a time-lapse.
And the planes appeared to be going really, really slow.
Yes.
And the lights looked really big.
Yes.
Because of the moisture in the air.
Yes.
And they did a time-lapse and you could see them landing at the Sky Harbor Airport.
And you could see them what?
You could see the, um, the lights would go towards Sky Harbor and then they'd turn into an airplane and land.
The time-lapse thing that they did showed it very clearly.
Uh-huh.
Well, that, okay, I appreciate the call, but that is not consistent with what the pilot said.
Uh, he called these lights to be 8 to 10 miles out, and not, not at all consistent, uh, with landing lights, as I'm counting it, and that may be exactly what it was.
However, I heard in Phoenix, Back on March 13th.
And, uh, even now, I think a pretty sketchy fact remains that Phoenix remains the focal point for a lot of this that is going on now.
And now, once again, in Phoenix.
So, I don't know.
And every time the explanation, of course, is flares.
Now, this caller says his TV station determined that, no, it was landing lights.
And yet here I've got an airline captain who said, no, it's not landing lights.
What is a mother to do?
West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
Hi.
How you doing?
I'm up in British Columbia.
Yes, sir.
Can you take two minutes for a crash course on cloning?
On cloning?
For example, you've cloned 48 copies of President Clinton.
Not that anybody would want to, but let's say you did.
Let's say you did.
Okay, you put them in.
forty different women there there at the end of the started their their work well
Yes.
on their way to deal and the children are born
and they reach the age of the president president
each one of them would have a totally different personality
based on their raising an upbringing well on environmental conditions
Because we are a product of our environment.
Well, yes and no.
If you look at twin studies that have been done.
Right.
Which is this clone, right?
Similar, yeah.
You could say they're identical.
Twins that have been brought up, there are things that are so similar about them, and the life paths they have chosen, and all the rest of it, That it seems undeniable, and they've done this.
That would tend to argue against what you're saying.
Well, it's possible, but there's the other... Yes.
Not possible.
Not possible?
Not possible.
The autonomic systems in the body, which are all run by the brain, has to be there or the body doesn't function.
Uh-huh.
Breathing hard... Well, that certainly is true with our present makeup, but with a bit of genetic tinkering in the future...
Yeah, it could be possible in the future, but I think it's a long ways off.
I hope it's a long ways off.
Thank you very much.
Now, they have, and I read this before I got ill, they have transferred a monkey's head from one monkey to another, and the monkeys aren't aware of their surroundings and movements and reactive to them.
So, you better think really hard about that one.
I mean, think about that for a moment.
The head of a monkey taken off and put on another monkey's body successfully.
Think about that.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hello.
Yes.
Yeah, I was told to ask you a question.
You were actually told by somebody else?
Yeah.
Well, it's not that I want to ask him myself.
I haven't quite thought of a particular question.
Alright, what is it?
I was told to ask you just how much truth you can handle.
Oh, I don't know.
Everybody's truth is so subjective.
How much truth can I handle?
How much can you dish out?
Quite a bit.
Go for it.
Well, it's not me personally.
I'd have to talk to this person and let them know what your answer was.
Just a friend of yours, huh?
Yeah.
Okay, well tell your friend, uh, all that they can dish out, call me.
Yourself.
Don't be a wimp.
And, uh, have somebody call up just to ask a question like, How much truth can you handle?
Well, if it's the truth, no problem.
Prisoners should have the guts to call me themselves.
First time caller in line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Yes, Art.
Hello.
Hey, how are you?
I am okay.
You're back in action.
Yes, I would appear so.
I'm glad to hear it.
I'm new to the program.
I've been listening for about six months, and this is the first time I've gotten through.
Okay.
Amazing.
That's, I think, about a month ago.
Where are you?
I'm in Ohio.
I was asking about John Keel.
No, I'm not.
Okay, he wrote... Just wondering what your whole take on that whole situation is because of the nature of his writing.
I don't have any take at all.
I haven't read it.
Oh, you haven't?
No.
Okay, his basic foundation is that these aren't extraterrestrials, but extradimensional... Oh, that's possible.
...beings.
Yeah, that's possible.
Do you have any opinion on that?
Or do you think it's... That's it.
What can I say?
Of course it's equally possible.
It is possible there is nobody here.
It's possible there are... And it's possible that they are extra-dimensionals.
Sure.
I believe in multi-dimensions.
I absolutely do.
And I don't find that view inconsistent with general religious views either.
I just don't have a problem with that.
A lot of people have a problem with that.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, is this Art Bells?
I'm the only one here.
Oh my god, I can't believe I got through.
And I'm a singular bell, not bells.
The Art Bell owner?
Yes, yes, yes.
Hold on a second.
That's always the first thing you gotta do is turn your radio off.
Oh my goodness.
I'm not only a first-time caller, but I'm a first-time listener.
Wow.
I'm in the great state of Maine.
How's it going up there?
Still thousands without power.
Oh God, my heart's beating a thousand miles a minute.
Oh, relax.
Scary truth based on lies.
Are you familiar with the Biosphere Reserves?
Wait a minute.
You have information?
Scary truth based on lies?
Yeah.
What is scary truth?
Do you know anything about United States Code, Title 50, Chapter 32?
Yes.
Isn't that scary?
It states that the government can conduct... Well, where is it based on lies?
Unbelievable.
Well, it provides that there can be experimentation on civilians in America, biological experimentation and other, as long as local authorities are notified.
So, I don't know where the lies are there.
It's all out in the open.
Well, the lies are, well, okay.
Okay, that's, I understand what you're saying.
I'm nervous, I'm sorry.
I was wondering if you were aware of it, and... Yes.
How about the nuclear reserves?
Yeah, the UN, the land grabs?
Uh, what about them?
Well... What has the UN taken?
Oh, my goodness gracious.
My daughter went into the website today and called me back and said, Mom, you won't believe it.
Millions of acres, a woman in Montana, her land was taken.
She has relocated in Maine.
Her land was taken and they made it a no-noise area.
I understood that didn't happen.
Oh.
So, uh, we'll check into it, but, uh, this big scare about the UN taking land, I understand that it really didn't happen.
It was perfect.
The U.S.
government would never allow that.
International Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Art!
Yes?
It's Aileen in Vancouver, British Columbia.
Hello there!
Hi.
You know, I wanted to ask you, is there a magnetic vortex near Phoenix somewhere?
Beats the hell out of me.
Because I know there's one around Mount Shasta.
And I have a sneaking suspicion that these, well, some of them, not all of them, Uh, it's something about Phoenix.
I don't know what.
I've never heard.
I mean, there's Sedona, of course, and that's supposedly a vortex.
beings. Maybe these vortexes have got something to do with that.
Uh, it's something about Phoenix. I don't know what. I'd never heard. I mean, there's Sedona, of course.
And that's supposedly a vortex. But there was no vortex around Phoenix that I knew of.
Well, one thing that's interesting about Phoenix is that it is one of the largest cities in the United States of
America, is it not?
Well, it's on up there.
I mean, you know, in the area, there would be over two million people, so that's pretty good size.
Well, I guess if I wanted exposure, I'd want to go to one of the biggest cities in the United States, too.
So what about right over New York City or Los Angeles or San Francisco?
Who knows if they haven't come there?
Well, that's true.
And there's so much fog up in San Francisco, they'd never see it.
So much smog in L.A., they'd probably never see it.
Maybe they've got to choose a place where the air is clear enough that people can see something.
God knows.
Or perhaps it could be us.
That's an interesting thing to contemplate, isn't it?
Even if they wanted their ship... That's kind of sad to contemplate in a lot of ways.
They wanted their ship to be seen.
A mile-wide ship.
You'd certainly have to pick your day in L.A., wouldn't you?
Because half the time you can't even see the stars at night.
There's such a heavy, uh, level of smog over the city that you wouldn't even see a spaceship if it was up there.
San Francisco suffers, uh, more frequently fog.
So again, you wouldn't see it.
I'm sure that would be very frustrating for, in quotes, them.
Distinguish your radio, please.
All right, this is Art Bell?
Yes, it is.
This is Lulu from Louisiana.
Louisiana Lulu.
Yeah.
Okay.
I wanted to ask, you talk about taking a head off of one monkey and putting it on another monkey.
How do they attach the spinal cord?
Because that would help a lot of paralyzed people if they could find, you know, if they really can do that.
Well, that may be exactly what doing that experimentation.
One would hope there would be a good medical reason for it.
You know, a simian is to a human being.
Right.
If they can do it with a monkey, they can do it for a girl from Louisiana.
I imagine so.
Imagine waking up with a different body.
My goodness.
I think I'd pass on it, you know.
What about a female head on a male body?
Oh my.
I mean, it's getting gross.
Yeah.
There's no question.
That's a good thing to think about.
What about a female head on a male body?
Oh my.
I mean it's getting gross.
Yeah.
There's no question.
In fact I've got a really gross story here some place about exactly this kind of thing
It's going to be buried.
But I'm just getting story after story after story after story.
I mean, this this kind of thing is going on everywhere now.
We are moving into an area with this cloning business that is really beginning to frighten me a little bit.
Here.
Check this one out.
This is from you.
United.
Would it be man or mape?
That's M-A-P-E.
Scientist wants to mate human creature and to have mapes in the world.
A mape, presumably, is what you would get if you crossbred a man and an ape.
Creation of this hybrid by artificial mating, get this, artificial mating between humans and apes recently was proposed by Dr. Sidney William Britton, University of Virginia, A psychologist said that it was scientifically possible and might help our hairy forest cousins speed up their evolution, bring them out of the woods and into civilized sidewalks.
We might wind up with something like those prehistoric fossils they find.
Well, we might.
Alright, David?
Now, I said psychologist.
So you're really a psychologist, let me see.
Physiologist.
Sorry about that.
Physiologist.
Psychologist wouldn't make sense, calling for this.
The proposal drew howls of indignation from some critics.
They said it was immoral, impossible, unthinkable, and a mere suggestion of such thing made them nervous.
They're actually talking about mating A human being and an ape.
Some sort of artificial insemination.
As a way to help the ape to evolve on the sidewalks of America.
This... It's incredible!
I mean, the things that they are contemplating, and of course, as you well know, they are contemplating now, Dr. Seed and others are, They certainly are in Israel as well.
Cloning a human being.
Now, I think it's only a matter of time if they have not yet cloned a human being.
I'm telling you right now.
It's only a matter of time.
I know I'm a little bit cynical about this kind of thing.
But I've thought a lot about it.
And if it's possible, you just know it would be absolutely irresistible for them.
And so I believe it's already been done.
I'd certainly, uh, be willing to take your, uh, thoughts on the matter.
Anyway, I'm Art Bell, and this is Toast to Toast AM.
And once again, I see that I am falling hopelessly behind in my commercials, so I will try- I'll try and do better.
I'll tell you, when you've been off the radio for a while, you- it's like, uh, I think I found you are wobbly for a little while.
From the high desert, we're into open lines this night.
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