Art Bell, recovering from a two-week flu, takes calls including David Johnson, a pilot who saw salmon-colored, massive lights near Phoenix on January 14, 2017, four to five times larger than normal landing lights, defying the Air Force’s flare explanation. Callers debate cloning ethics, like Clinton’s 48 clones or monkey head transplants, while Bell cites European and Israeli experiments and warns of human cloning’s inevitability. A caller references U.S. Code Title 50, Chapter 32, allowing civilian experimentation, and another speculates about Phoenix’s magnetic vortex, though Bell dismisses it—yet the episode underscores growing unease over unexplained phenomena and genetic manipulation’s rapid pace. [Automatically generated summary]
It was the Australian version of the flu, and I'll tell you more about that, but it's all done.
Pretty much all done.
Went to the doctor, got antiviral stuff and sillin stuff, and I'm pretty much better.
Anyway, coming up in a moment, David, and we'll ask him before we use his last name, who works for a regional airline that feeds America West, is a commercial pilot, and he saw something in Phoenix.
The whole thing in Phoenix seems to be coming alive again.
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All right, let us go now to, actually, where is it we're going to?
And we were making an approach to 26Right, which is the northern of the two runways in Phoenix.
And my first officer, the controller had pointed out some traffic to us that was approaching to the other runway.
And he was looking for that as I was turning in towards the runway.
And he said, what are those two lights?
And I looked up and saw two lights that at first looked to me like perhaps landing lights on an airplane because there were two of them, and it looked like it was very close.
And I said, You mean those?
And he said, Yes.
And then it dawned on me because just to the left of them, I could see this.
They had pointed out a, I believe it was a Southwest airliner from the South.
I saw the landing lights on the Southwest plane, and it dawned on me at that point that the two lights I was looking at weren't landing lights at all.
They were much larger, and I would say they were more like the color of some of the parking lot lights you see in some of the newer parking lots that are supposed to shut down light pollution.
All right, I should tell you that I've got a report here from a listener that said the newest round of lights over Phoenix, according to Channel 5, they're reporting the Air Force said lights were, get this, once again, flares being deployed over the Barry Goldwater gunnery range located south of Gilla Bend.
Now, they're saying that the flares were oddly bright and large due to the high moisture content of the air and the pollution of the air over Phoenix.
Does that sound like, do you believe it could be flares?
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Well, I'm not too sure if I've ever seen flares that I could judge that by, but the lights were down, from my vantage point, down over South Mountain towards the Sierra Estrella Mountains, which are just to the southwest of Phoenix.
Well, I understand what you say when you say it's difficult to judge, but size-wise, if you had to estimate their distance and therefore their size based on that distance, how big a thing were you looking at?
unidentified
Well, that's a tough question.
Seeing something in the air and seeing it on the ground are a much different vantage point.
They were large, much larger than the landing lights on the plane that we were looking at, and they seem to be quite a bit further away.
Even you say you also were seeing landing lights, and I presume that if the air was a factor, that other landing lights would have been affected in a similar manner.
If there was some sort of diffusion going on because of humidity in the air or pollution in the air or whatever it is they're claiming here, I presume that it would have affected other landing lights at some distance as well.
You know, in a similar fashion.
unidentified
I don't specifically recall any excess moisture in the air that evening, but all I know is I could see the landing lights of the airplane we were following into the airport, and these two lights over the top of South Mountain appeared to be different than anything I've seen.
Would you normally report something like that or normally not?
unidentified
Well, you know, at the time, Art, I didn't think a lot of it except for it looked unusual.
And then as we got, of course, I was busy in the landing phase of the flight, so as we got closer to the ground, I suddenly realized that these lights went out of sight behind South Mountain, and that's when it dawned on me that they were further away than I had originally thought they were.
I mean, if you were to hold your thumb out, as far as you could hold it, as large as your thumb, as large as a dime, a quarter, is there any reference you can give us?
unidentified
No, probably the only reference is the landing lights on the 737 that we were, that was turning into the other runway, were probably four or five times smaller, but of course, it was probably quite a bit closer than these lights, too.
Did you have a conversation with your first officer about all of this afterwards?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Not a detailed conversation because it was our last flight.
both left to go home, but we talked about the fact that they were unusual, and after we had parked the airplane, I said to him, I said, you know, those kind of look similar to what I had seen on some video about a month or two ago.
I saw some video on one of the TV shows Right, and the difference being the lights that I saw on the video were, I believe, in like a wedge or a V formation.
All right, that's a commercial airline pilot for a regional airline that feeds America West, David Johnson.
And he is but one of many who have seen, again, what appears to be another set of lights that have appeared over the city of Phoenix.
Why Phoenix?
I don't know.
But I have report after report after report of more stuff seen in Phoenix.
So he's certainly not the only one, but he is a qualified observer.
And I thought you should hear from him.
All right, we are going to stay with open lines.
And anything you want to talk about is fair game.
I've got a whole lot of material here.
Again, I've got a report here from San Diego saying that two San Diego scientists have now proven that the fossilized bacteria or whatever it was in the Mars rock they thought was life is actually of earthly origin.
Now, this is just from a listener, so I would like to get some confirmation on it.
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Kaczynski, indeed, is competent to stand trial.
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On the cloning front, it looks like the Jews may allow cloning.
It may be that Jewish tradition and belief does not rule out cloning as it would seem to here in the West.
As you know, Richard Seed, a physicist, says and is continuing to say, by the way, that he is determined to clone a human child within 18 months.
They have warned him against doing that.
I would very much like to interview Dr. Seed and see exactly what it is he has in mind, how he would go about doing it, and what he thinks the implications of it would be.
So if anybody has Dr. Seed's ear out there, email me or fax me or something, and we indeed will interview him.
And I've got a lot of other news here, which I'll kind of slip in as we go, but we're going to do open lines tonight.
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They wet their finger and they put it up into the air and they sort of test public sentiment.
We have a president who definitely does that, matter of fact.
And if public sentiment says do this, why he generally then is driven toward doing that.
It's not a totally bad trait, but it is not traditionally what the American people have known as leadership.
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So long time, long time, long time, long time to get better.
All right.
Remember, we'll talk about this.
We'll talk about this.
I've got to tell you, I've been rocking my brain, hoping to find a way out.
I've had enough of this continual rain.
Hello, Art.
Colin, wondered if you could give us an update on a couple items.
I mean, Strange Universe went up there with cameras and investigative teams and everything, and they found military boot prints and all that, but they did not find a hole.
And we interviewed Mel over, I don't know, two or three different interviews, and it really got to be a gigantic story.
And then in the end, Mel sold out, went to Australia, where he's no doubt living happily ever after on the money he recovered from leasing, actually leasing, I believe he leased the whole to the military.
Twins that have been brought up, there are things that are so similar about them and the life paths they have chosen and all the rest of it that it seems undeniable.
And they've done this.
That would tend to argue against what you're saying.
Now, they have, and I read this before I got ill, they have transferred a monkey's head from one monkey to another, and the monkeys are aware of their surroundings and movements and reactive to them.
So you better think really hard about that one.
I mean, think about that for a moment.
The head of a monkey taken off and put on another monkey's body successfully.
Well, it provides that there can be experimentation on civilians in America, biological experimentation and other, as long as local authorities are notified.
In fact, I've got a really gross story here someplace about exactly this kind of thing that's going to be buried.
But I'm just getting story after story after story after story.
I mean, this kind of thing is going on everywhere now.
We are moving into an area with this cloning business that is really beginning to frighten me a little bit.
Yeah, here, check this one out.
This is from Would It Be Man or Mape?
That's M-A-P-E.
Scientist wants to mate human creature and have mapes in the world.
A mape, presumably, is what you would get if you cross-bred a man and an ape.
Creation of this hybrid by artificial mating, get this, artificial mating between humans and apes recently was proposed by Dr. Sidney William Britton, University of Virginia psychologist.
Said that it was scientifically possible and might help our hairy forest cousins speed up their evolution, bring them out of the woods and into civilized sidewalks.
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We might line up with something like those prehistoric fossils they find.
Psychologist wouldn't make sense calling for this.
The proposal drew howls of indignation from some critics.
They said it was immoral, impossible, unthinkable, and the mere suggestion of such thing made them nervous.
They're actually talking about mating a human being and an ape by some sort of artificial insemination as a way to help the ape to equal on sidewalks of America.