Robert O. Dean, a 40-year UFO researcher and Cold War intelligence veteran with COSMIC clearance at NATO’s SHAPE, reveals classified details of extraterrestrial encounters—like a 1964 Baltic Sea crash involving a 30-meter disc and 12 small occupants—that nearly sparked WWIII, including a 1982 Minuteman facility sabotage. He dismisses FEMA conspiracy theories but warns thermonuclear terrorism risks exploit the U.S.-Mexico border’s vulnerabilities, while citing untested COG plans. Dean’s Stargate International, alongside Stephen Greer and Edgar Mitchell, pushes for disclosure, arguing ancient texts (e.g., Genesis’ "cosmos") and recovered alien tech prove humanity’s origins may involve extraterrestrial influence. Skeptical of abductions as nefarious but acknowledging genetic monitoring, he insists transparency is vital to prevent constitutional collapse, referencing $80B black budgets and suppressed evidence like the Alien Autopsy tape. [Automatically generated summary]
Right now, Robert Dean has been engaged in the field of UFO research for 40 years.
He began this research on active duty in the U.S. Army, where he served for 27 years, retired as a command sergeant major from the Army, 76 as a highly decorated combat vet, having served as an infantry unit commander in combat in Korean Vietnam,
serious grunt workboy, also served in the intelligence field in Laos, Cambodia, North Vietnam, shaped the military arm of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, or NATO as an intelligence analyst with a cosmic top secret clearance, a cosmic top secret clearance.
Well, on this assignment, he was Master Sergeant with a Cosmic Top Secret Clearance.
Yeah, just said that.
Dean worked in the Operations Division and was a member of the Inter Command Staff, thereby working with and seeing Secure, Supreme Allied Commander of Europe, almost every day.
Now, I don't know if I got that right this time.
I said saucer last time.
Ah, my.
For the past 14 years, Dean worked with and for FEMA.
Wow.
Retired as an emergency services manager from the Pima County Sheriff's Department.
And on and on and on, he has completed a manuscript for a book entitled The Time Has Come.
We'll ask him what that means.
So here's an interesting guy, and I don't know, Robert, how come we've never crossed paths before?
FEMA is being groomed to one day drag out all those who are politically in disagreement with whoever is in power and slam them into concentration camps and that kind of stuff.
Well, I think actually we might have been able to survive to some point because we had a continuity system set up where the president, if he didn't make it, we had chain of command already established, and FEMA was to play a major role in that.
And they had underground facilities, and they still do all over the country.
Well, what would have happened, just speculatively, if the president, vice president, Speaker of the House, and most of the House and Senate were utterly destroyed, you didn't get them out in time, where, way down the line, would the reins of power be picked up?
Now, I thought the whole idea of a landmine was that you step on it, it blows your leg off, it takes you out of battle and somebody else, maybe two or three others, who have got to take care of you.
Well, that's one of the big secrets about the Cold War, is that we were making issue, or we were making plans to emplace nuclear landmines all over Europe, across the divided Europe.
And if the Russians ever made their move, we were going to detonate those things.
Well, Monday, of course, was the, you know, a lot of people, I had a very mixed reaction.
Some people said, whoa, it's a big news.
I didn't hear it.
Well, to me, when a CZETI has met for three hours with the head of the CIA and he's got his head in his hands going, oh, my God, I want to ask you something, Robert.
The one thing I didn't ask, and I obviously should have, was what the hell was it that was said to the director of the CIA that would cause him to put his head in his hands saying, oh, my God.
That we have been reverse engineering alien technology.
We did indeed recover not one, but several pieces of alien hardware.
Not only that, but we recovered healthy, walking-about aliens from God knows where.
And on top of everything else is that the controlling power of this cover-up and the controlling power of this policy-making group is way above the heads of the President and of the Congress and of the intelligence agencies.
Well, you've got quite a background for people to be telling you you're making it all up.
Hold on, Bob.
We'll be right back to you.
It's the bottom of the hour.
Robert O'Dean is my guest, and we're going to ask a lot about this.
I'm Art Bell.
In ancient history, psychology, and philosophy at Indiana University has completed extensive studies in archaeology and theology through his intensive four-part FEMA career development course offered by FEMA.
Robert graduated with an equivalent to a master's degree in emergency management for FEMA, the feared FEMA.
And I worked there for a better part of three years before we actually began moving the headquarters from Paris up to where it is now today in Brussels.
2020 did a big story a couple, three years ago about a UFO that hovered over one of their installations and actually put one of their ICBMs into launch sequence.
And the Russians apparently ended up tearing the entire thing apart, every console, after the incident, trying to figure out what was done, how it was done, whatever it was.
And then when the guys finally got into the missile, they found out that not only had the warhead been melted, but they had scrambled the guidance system to such a point that if the missile had ever been fired, God knows where it would have gone.
Now, these Guys have done this repeatedly.
I say these guys, whoever the hell they are.
They did it to the Soviets and they've done it to us.
And frankly, Art, I tell you that, in my view, that's probably why the Soviet Union exists no more.
Things have happened that they made a believer out of Gorbachev.
He several times made reference to the possibility of a common enemy in his speeches, and that if Earth had to get together and fight a common enemy, he said that again and again, and obviously he must have meant he must have known something.
Well, from the very beginning, I was a little bit skeptical.
I've always been that way.
I was trained to be a skeptic.
But I've spent over 30 years at this, close to 40 now, and I've looked at some damn much evidence, both in the military and out, and the evidence that I also was able to collect when I worked with FEMA.
And the evidence for me is beyond doubt.
I have no more doubts about the reality of it.
My big problem is that I'm worried about our constitutional system in this country.
Listen, Art, we're facing probably the greatest threat in our history at the moment from this UFO cover-up and the lies and the deceit and deception that's been going on in Washington.
But we've got some people running loose over there, and I know a few of them.
I worked with them over the years.
And some of them are cowboys, and they really need to be reined in.
Art, we're dealing with the greatest story in human history.
And it's not simply the UFO matter.
It isn't simply that we're being visited.
One of the reasons they've kept the lid on this thing for so damn long is that the story is so damned big, and it's going to shake the world up when it finally comes out.
Because it's going to reflect on who we are, who the human race is, how we got to be here, and why we're here.
I've long ago given up trying to worry about who they are and where they're from and why they're here.
But I try to point out to them that the whole history of the human race, plus the major history of every major theology on this planet, including Christianity, tells essentially the same story.
And Art, that story is we're not alone and we've never been alone.
Well, last night I asked him the most pointed question I thought was, would your faith be shaken if you were faced with absolute evidence that there are others?
And, you know, he said a lot of things, but the bottom line when he finally got to it was, yes.
I would like to say to some of my fundamentalist Christian friends, go back and read the comments from the beautiful young man from Galilee and read what he had to say about who he was and where he was from and what it was all about.
And if they do that, I think they will begin to grasp that there was a hell of a lot more that he tried to communicate than they've ever understood.
He told them that he had other sheep, he had other flocks.
And my guest last night was a very honorable man, but there was no question about the fact, Bob, that he believed in every fiber of his being what he was saying.
Yeah.
And if there was a sudden revelation, I'm not sure how well it would go down.
One of the reasons I've been speaking out so openly here for at least the last four years is that the reality of this thing is so damned big that when it does come out, people talk about a paradigm shift.
Well, that's an understatement.
This is going to be the biggest thing in history, and it's going to affect not only the world economy, it's going to affect everybody on the planet, but it's going to have a major impact on world religions.
And I simply ask people to go back to their roots, whatever they might be, whether they're Jewish or Muslim or Hindu, what doesn't matter.
And look and study what the creators of those systems tried to say.
And you'll find, as I have, that basically they're the same basic story being told.
Whether it's Buddhism, whether it's Hinduism, whether it's Islam, or the Jewish tradition, the Christian tradition, the same essential story is told again and again.
That we're not alone, we've never been alone, and apparently we are part of an infinite universe filled with intelligent life.
That's going to shake people up when it all comes out.
You know, the Brookings report, of course, said the scientists would be one of the more difficult groups to deal with this, and a lot of them couldn't and wouldn't.
I know that there will be people out there who will not be able to deal with this.
But I also have a deep-rooted feeling that the average human being out there, the average American citizen, is not only brighter than their government thinks, I think they're more stable than their government thinks.
I mean, even from a FEMA perspective, if you look at the percentage of people who rioted in L.A. and the effect that had, and then you look at the percentage of people that you just called across the board.
Some are probably very benevolent, and some of them, from what I've been able to piece together, and I've gotten a lot of evidence over the years, that there are some out there that don't much like us.
Well, is it not possible that some of them are sufficiently advanced that they could step on us like an anthill and hardly even notice what they had done?
Well, there's no question they could do that, but the history that I've been able to look at indicates to me that they have been well aware of us for a very long time.
And one of the most delicate subjects about this entire matter is that we've had an intimate inter-relationship with some of those guys from the beginning of human history.
So they know about us.
They probably know us better than we know ourselves.
And I do believe that they've had a hand in probably establishing most of our major religions.
For the idea that we're not alone, that we've never been alone, and that we are apparently members of an infinite community of intelligent life in the universe.
And within a few short years, and I'm afraid time is running out on us, we're going to be confronted with that reality to such a point that it's going to turn the old world upside down.
And Ernie Green in the group over there have put this CD-ROM together, and I'm not only the only one on there, Linda Moulton Howe is on there and quite a few other guys.
And you can pick that up at Dreamland Interactive.
I'm telling you right now, we went through it a little while ago.
I asked Bob how many people rioted in L.A., you know, and he said, well, 10th of 1% or less, 100th of 1% or something.
I said, well, okay, then.
This is for the L.A. audience to just show him, well, then how many might get upset enough to do something negative if there was a sudden reality of others?
And I don't know, you said 25%.
Case closed.
You know, the Brookings report has got to be right.
You can educate people, and there are some people who would accept it, but not the majority.
Right now, right now, Bob, if they landed, the world would never be the same again.
Cities would burn.
There'd be anarchy.
There'd be people shooting as they came down off the ramp.
They'd be filled full of lead.
You know, the fundamentalists, you know how they'd react.
Just like my guy last night, he's a very nice guy.
But he said these would be, his first thought would be, these would be devils.
These would be of the devil.
And if you don't think those people, excuse me, would go out and get every shotgun and high-powered rifle they could find and try and dispose of these demonic things, you're wrong if you don't believe that.
So if I was a military guy and I had real evidence, I would think really hard before I would, you know, blow the whistle.
Now, it may be that what you're doing is a kind of a, I was thinking of this the first hour I did the show, a kind of a conditioning process that is underway.
And it may be that if our current generation of adults is not prepared to accept this, that the next generation will be.
And he talks about type zero civilizations one, two, and three.
Now, we're a type zero.
And most type zeros, the great majority of them, never attain type one status.
They destroy themselves.
And if you look around the earth right now, I read a story, I bet you heard it, about hunter dolphins just tonight beaching themselves north of Caracas.
You know, swimmers went out, tried to haul them back out to sea.
They beached themselves and died.
Committed suicide from our point of view.
The environment is deteriorating all around us.
There's no question about it.
All kinds of things are going on that are not good.
New viruses.
Hey, I've got a fax here from somebody.
I don't know.
You know, there is a terrible virus going around in Southern California.
Our Channel 4 NBC News just reported that 500 people have died from the flu in L.A. They say it's spreading to San Diego, where elective surgery has now been canceled.
Now, I don't know if this is true, but I can tell you this.
This person goes on.
Many years listeners who's very sick with what my private doctor is calling an unknown virus.
They're calling it flu-like symptoms, and they're being very nonspecific about it.
We've got chicken flu, which takes about 25% of those that get sick and kills them in China.
All of this stuff going on, it's, you know, if you think about our type zeroness, it doesn't sound to me like we've got a real good shot right now at making type 1 if you go along with Michio Kaku, and I kind of do.
I'm a friend of Zechariah Sitchin, and that old scholar has got one hell of a story to tell.
I met privately with him in the last 60 days.
I've met with Ed Mitchell and Zechariah Sitchin and Phil Corso.
And all in all, Art, I am convinced that we have a chance to make it.
That if we can pull ourselves up, learn to live with each other, get away from this savagery and this bloodletting, for God's sake, that we've been involved in, I think we can make it.
You see, I'm not a deeply religious man, and yet I'm convinced that the young man from Galilee tried to tell us the truth.
One of the things he's quoted as saying is he says, you are as gods.
What I do, you can do, and even more.
And I think that point indicates that we are not alone, and I think there is a chance we are going to make it, and I think we've got some good friends in high places.
So I'm an optimist about the future of the human species.
I would like to quote, if I may, Leo Tolstoy.
The old man before he died said that there is something within the human spirit that there's a light that will not go out no matter how dark the world becomes.
Dear Art, I've had the pleasure of knowing and hearing Bob Dean speak here in Phoenix at the International UFO Congress meetings in Muskeet and Laughlin.
He is for real.
He is dedicated as the program progresses.
Get him to describe for you the medieval paintings he found in Europe which show plainly UFOs in the pictures.
He has a great slideshow with these photographs, undeniable.
It's my understanding that an awful lot of people who went and testified talked about seeing lights, you know, that kind of thing, seeing radar images.
And Robert, where I was going was, if you had gone to Washington, had had plenty of money, first-class flight to Washington, testified with others, and as I was saying, I was developing it, a lot of them just saw lights or radar images or whatever.
You would have had a lot of harder evidence to talk about.
I mean, if you'd have said things that you're saying to me right now, would you have?
Not only would I have taken evidence that I could have shown people, but I would have said quite a few things even beyond what I've said to you tonight, Art.
I mean, again, I was so intrigued Monday, I mean, the CIA director with his head in his hands, going, oh, my God, what is it that he was told that was so conclusive, so dramatic, had so much impact that they could drive him to that?
So if we had, for example, shot at some of these craft or we had absolute evidence of some of these craft and that military information did not make it to the head of the CIA, then we're so screwed up we don't have a chance.
I mean, if Dr. Greer had to tell the director of the CIA that we've been dealing with these craft for a long time, and that's what he had his head and his hands about, then we're in deep doo-doo.
One of my great friends and a man I deeply admire is Ed Mitchell.
And he confided in me recently that he made a personal trip to some friends of his, who I guess were on the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Washington at that level, at least.
And Ed talked to a few generals and admirals over there.
I understand it was in July of this last year.
And they shared with him some things that there's something big going on.
And they're aware of that, but they don't know specifically what it is because the cover and the policy control is so far beyond them and the president and the Congress that the guys on the Joint Chiefs are pissed off.
The other night when I had Edon, he'll tell you this.
It occurred during a break because we alluded to it when we came back from one of the breaks.
He was having a serious conversation with Dr. Greer and the others we had in the line at the time saying, you know, should we be giving out the names we're giving out?
You know, we could really piss off the wrong person here.
I mean, he was really serious about it.
This was during the break, and they were having this serious conversation, so I sort of made him talk about it a little bit when he came back.
Well, I say this because a lot of times when I've asked Ed this kind of question, he walks really carefully, in other words, in between what he says he believes probably is true based on things he's heard and things he knows to be true.
Now you're talking about firsthand, first, you know, eyewitness testimony of generals and that kind of thing.
Well, Ed says he's always had a lot of respect for these guys, and he's always believed that they're not just barefaced lying to everybody.
And he said his conversations with some of them indicated to him that they were not lying, that they know something's happening, but they don't know what it is.
And that the thing that pisses them off the most is that they're not in the loop.
I find this very depressing, that if our joint chiefs and the president and Congress are not in the loop, who the hell is?
Earlier, I said the worst fears that you're tossed around on radical radio hither and yon are that FEMA's going to collect up the political dissidents and toss them into concentration camps that pilots have reported seeing and all the rest of that kind of crap.
I'm just trying to point out to you that what's being said about FEMA in these somewhat paranoid circles is a pretty good parallel to what you're telling me right now about what's going on at the highest level regarding alien contact.
I think the people themselves Have got to do it through their elected representatives, and that's why I try very hard in what small way I can to get them pissed off enough, to get them angry enough that they're going to do something about it.
This, in my opinion, literally is the greatest secret and the greatest issue in the history of the human race.
But, Bob, suppose I made the case to you, which I'm forced to make again, that to reveal this information right now would do in the Republic, anyway, would call FEMA out to do the biggest job they've ever had to do.
There would be disruption of our economic system, of our policing system, of social behavior, of our religious institutions, and on and on and on and on.
So on the one hand, you're saying it's got to be revealed.
On the other hand, because we've got to save our constitutional system, but on the other hand, there is an argument suggesting our constitutional system would go under like a brick into the river if we did it.
Right before the top of the hour, according to Larry and Medford, Oregon, and I think it's right, we began to speak to the issue of how long the visitors have been with us and the effect that they've had on the world's religions.
Would you please ask your guests to expand on that issue, that in what way do you know that they are responsible for many of the world's religions, if not our creation?
About 50 years of research and 50 years of studying theology, philosophy, ancient history, I put all the bits and pieces together, Art, and I'm not the only one who's reached this same conclusion.
Zechariah and I are pretty much in agreement that we are a seeded race, that we have been created in a sense here, and we've been genetically manipulated continually from the beginning of our history.
And I think we can deal with that.
I think we can come to terms with that.
And I think once we understand that most of our religious philosophy of every major religion on the planet tells us essentially the same truth, I think that people can deal with it.
I believe that they're strong enough to handle it, and I believe we will survive.
But we can't continue to lie to ourselves.
And we can't continue to allow them to lie to us.
We've got to reclaim the Constitution art, or we might as well just close up shop and go home.
You know, even Darwin himself never really applied the evolution concept to the human species.
And that's something that very few people know.
He said that there was not enough evidence that he could really apply that theory and philosophy to the human race.
And I think that's a good point.
Listen, I've got to do this one more time, if you don't mind.
I've got to give you that toll-free line, if I may, because people are interested, I think, in what I've been saying, and I think they're interested in what I've tried to do.
Stargate basically is an out-of-pocket effort, and Cecilia and I have been doing it ourselves now for about three years, and we're just barely able to keep our heads above water.
And one of the reasons I'm concerned and trying to promote this video is that maybe it'll help us pay some of our expenses.
Cecilia also tells me that if people contact us here at Stargate, she's got a free reading list and an order form for videos that recommended reading that she'll put out free of charge.
I just want to mention to everyone that what we have just decided to do just a moment ago is give away to anyone who's interested in doing the research about all of what you have been discussing, where we have come from, the Enuma Elish, etc.
If people are really interested in doing that kind of research, with every order of the video that people dial in and order, we will give you not only a hard copy of the petition, we will also give you as our gift a copy of Bob Dean's recommended reading list so that people can do their own research.
All right, so I've had a lot of people who claim they've been abducted who want help, and I never know what to tell them.
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Oh, you have a full page, which I just faxed to you.
You're welcome to give them that page.
It's a description of what we do at the hotline.
It tells you a little bit about the training that each hotline responder has gotten.
Everyone has crisis response skills, which they've taken in in-depth training programs, which Stargate has provided.
And the hotline number that I just gave you will reach voicemail, which will tell the caller that they will get a response only to them, and they only need to leave a first name.
And when they get a return call, it'll be within 24 hours.
People who have taken lie detector tests were absolutely abducted.
The movie Fire in the Sky made about the Walton case.
Listen, hold on.
Or I guess once again, right now, Robert O'Dean is here.
And Robert, I do want to begin asking you a little bit about these abductions.
First of all, there's a large group of people out there who believe that this cabal we talked about, this group we talked about earlier, made some kind of deal with some of them to be able to take some of us for genetic tomfoolery or some very good cause, who knows, but that a deal was made.
Well, I'll tell you, my own view is that this genetic monitoring system or program, whatever you wish to call it, has been going on for a hell of a long time.
We've only begun just recently to start paying attention to it.
And I have a great admiration for both Bud Hopkins and John Mack because those guys are right on top of what this story is all about.
But it's a worldwide phenomenon.
It's been going on for a very long time, and people are only now beginning to pay attention.
Yes, it appears that some of these little gray dudes are going around picking people up and taking samples of one thing or another.
I'm not an expert, and I don't even pretend to be.
I tell you that there are things I don't know the answers to, but I do believe that abductions are happening, and I believe they've been going on for a long time.
Well, Lrt, we meandered into this area about 15 to 20 years ago.
It's nothing new.
What's new is that the people are now just beginning to pay attention.
Your government and mine and its infinite wisdom, and I say your government because I don't know who the hell we're actually speaking about, they've been involved in human cloning and genetic research for well over 20 years now.
Well, I certainly believe with all of the logic inside of me, Bob, that Dolly and now even this human cloning project, these are in the private sector.
Our government, with its $80 billion of black project money, has been doing this kind of stuff for a long time.
And the evidence that I have seen indicates that we've already made some enormous strides in that area.
But what we've got to do is get it out into the light of day and get it out into the hands of the people so that it isn't abused, that we don't end up cloning human beings and turning them into stupid soldiers to go out and kill each other.
It's like an endless cycle, and I wish that I could be as optimistic as you.
I'm not.
I want to read you something, and this will just take a second, then you can react to it.
Here comes.
It's from Ken in Oregon.
Art, I really enjoyed your guest last night, as I do tonight's, but I must take issue.
First, when you asked the creationist last night if his faith would be shaken if UFOs were revealed to him as fact, though he was evasive and you had to ask him twice, I don't recall him saying yes to his faith being shaken.
Well, later in the program, I came back to that, Ken, and he did finally give a bottom-line yes.
He goes on, tonight's guest is even more skewed in some respects, in my opinion.
I am very interested in his experiences.
That is until he begins twisting the different world religions into his UFO experiences.
When Jesus said, I have other flocks, he could have been referring to the Gentiles, the American Indians, the Mayans, or life on other planets.
But he did not state, quote, I have flocks on other planets.
The theme of the Bible is love of God and man's redemption through Christ, not proof that UFOs Are visiting us now.
Admittedly, some of those Old Testament things are absolutely described as UFOs.
And I, of course, quoted Ezekiel to him, and he said he was stuck on that one.
So he goes on: although many of the world's religions have common themes, in other words, differing but similar worldwide flood stories, the need for love for each other and so forth, the paths are different.
The Jews await the coming of the Messiah.
For the first time, Christians, the second time, Hindus look forward to reincarnation.
Buddhas seek nirvana.
One would have to look very hard to find evidence of a common belief in UFOs in the different theologies.
One, it must be understood clearly that much of what I share with you tonight is my own opinions after over 30 years of research.
I'm not an expert.
I'm not a world-class scholar, and I don't pretend to be.
But I have done some homework, and I have done some deep research over the years, and I am convinced of the unity and the oneness of the human species.
And I would rather approach this and look at our similarities than our differences.
And I do believe that in every major philosophical theology, that there is a lot of common ground there.
That we're not as distant from the Jews or the Muslims or the Hindus or the Buddhists as we might think we are.
Well, that's why you've got me to be Mr. Negative and cynical.
I would say that the groups you just mentioned, in the name of their various gods, have been killing each other and continue to do so today at an amazing rate.
I'd like to talk to Mr. O'Dean about security clearances.
And it seems like every, I've listened to your show for a long time, Art, and a lot of the blockbuster big stories come out are from the military or from military bases.
Yeah, and so, you know, there's the only way you can control this is something called a need to know.
Exactly.
Now, let's speculate for a moment that the UFO controversy, let's put this, let's say it's true and we put it on a scale of one to five.
How do you know that the need to know for the military isn't cut off at, say, four?
Well, we know this, that the need to know for some of the military is cut off at whatever level.
I've talked to generals and admirals who, frankly, have not seen half of some of the stuff that I have.
There are people who are not involved with the compartmentalist aspect of security that they could have a top secret clearance and not know anything about what we've been talking about.
And apparently, that's been happening with the Joint Chiefs, and Ed Mitchell encountered that in July.
That is a reality, and your point is well made.
The security problem in this country, which we've created in our wisdom over the years, is literally a nightmare.
Here's another thing that we've got to tackle, but we tackled it a little bit on Monday night, Tuesday morning's program, and that is that we do have a big black budget, 80 billion, maybe more.
Who the hell knows?
Billions going into these black projects.
Now, we also have in this country, and you know it better than anybody, a legitimate need for national security.
We have a legitimate reason to have secret projects, probably to be doing things in space, probably to be developing Star Wars-type stuff, and I could go on and on and on.
Legitimate to protect our nation.
Now, that is absolutely mixed in with the kind of open revelation that you're talking about with regard to the others.
I mean, it's mixed in.
And how do you separate it?
How do you get together military guys who have taken oaths?
Well, in my opinion, and that's all I can share with you, Art, is that if this matter, this entire issue, would be placed back into the halls of Congress within our elected representatives who represent the people, that determination of what can be brought out and what should not be brought out could be made.
At the moment, those decisions are being made by a select, elite group of bureaucrats who are not elected.
They're not responsible.
They don't in any way report to either the American people or to Congress.
And I think that is the problem we're dealing with here.
I believe that the congressional system, the constitutional system, if it's used properly, could make the determination that there are some things that we should not let out.
But damn it, I guess I'm old-fashioned.
I believe that this government of this country is of and by and for the people.
And I've lived Long enough that I can see that there are people who have misused this system, and the people just are not being considered anymore.
And our elected representatives don't even know what the hell they are.
We've been discussing the U.S. If they are real and they are here and they have been visiting for, well, maybe since we were created, then governments all over the world, the Russian government, the Chinese government,
the British government, the French government, even the African government, a lot of governments, I could think of, the Canadian government, all of these governments would have to be to some degree aware of this as well.
So now you're talking just not about the U.S., but about a good portion of the world.
Well, I would like to remind the American people, while I've got a little bit of their attention tonight, is that the agency, this famous central intelligence group, back in 1991 published a special report for Robert Gates.
And they boasted about the fact that they have been able to persuade reporters to postpone, change, hold, or even scrap stories that could have adversarily affected the national security interests or jeopardize sources and methods.
What did come from the assessment was enough to shake the hell out of me and everybody who saw it and read it.
It affected a lot of our four-star generals and admirals because it concluded that we were not merely not alone, but we haven't been for a long, long time.
They concluded in the study that there seemed to be some kind of a program or process underway.
They didn't know what it was, but they could see that something was developing.
They also learned in 64 that there were roughly four different groups we knew of at that time that were extraterrestrial.
And that they determined, which was the primary reason for the study in the first place, that there did not appear, and I say repeat, did not appear to be a military threat involved.
Because if these guys had been malevolent or hostile with the continually repeated demonstrations of their advanced technology, they would have cleaned our clock, as old Schwartzkopf likes to say, a long, long time ago.
And that was essentially it.
One, something big seems to be happening.
It involves extraterrestrial intelligence.
It's been going on for a very long time, and it did not apparently appear to be malevolent or a threat of some kind.
That in itself is enough to shake the hell out of you.
I know that American Air Force Force Star General Robert Lee, who was General Lemnitzer's air deputy at the time, was terribly affected by this thing.
Copy number one went to the Secretary General of NATO.
Copy number two went to General Lyman Lemnitzer, who was my boss, and was known as Sakur, the Supreme Allied Commander of Europe.
Copy three was placed in the vault in shock in the war room.
That was a copy that I and a number of others who worked in there full time would pull out in the wee hours of the morning and read it and read it and go over it again and again.
I asked you earlier what you would have testified to had you gone back to Washington when the opportunity was there.
Now, here's somebody in Richmond, Virginia says, Art, please ask what more testimony he would have given to Congress that he has not yet spoken about over the air.
You did, after all, allude to things that you haven't talked about on the air or anywhere else yet.
Well, I'm going to tell you bluntly, and I may get my ass in a jam over this, but I am in possession of some classified material and some classified documents that have never been downgraded or declassified.
And I would have taken many of those things with me, and I would have presented them to this congressional group, and I would have shown them these things.
And I probably would be in jail by now.
But I do have material, and it's not in my house Here, and I make that point very clear.
Now, it's not generally known throughout Congress, but there are select senators that are informed about things that the rest of the Senate doesn't have the slightest idea about.
Well, when you've got a problem, Art, that's so serious where the chair of the Senate Appropriations Committee sent one of his personal staff members off to Groom Lake and Site 51 to try to find out what the hell was going on and where some of this black budget money was going, this representative of the Senate Appropriations Committee was taken on a grand tour and shown absolutely nothing.
When the senator who is chair of that committee wants to know what the hell is going on, sends his man out there, and they gave him the ring around the rosy treatment, and he came back learning nothing.
And I'm tempted to give you his name, but I think that he himself needs to speak out about this.
He's a brilliant man, and he's a trusted member of the Senate Appropriations Committee.
Now, first of all, I'd like him to ask, I also is in the government, and I was wondering if he also believes that the government is just a contractor for the exclusive businessmen of the world.
In other words, the richest men of the world use the government just as a contractor to get things done that they want.
It's an honor and a thrill to speak to two American heroes, and I do mean that.
Quickly on the FEMA issue, I think according to, I think it's Executive Order No.
12919, with FEMA being able to take control of pretty much everything, just keep in mind that if the people that are currently in the offices were to step out, the infrastructure would be there for someone else to use.
And I do have two questions for your guest.
The first is, in reference, I hope he will elaborate more upon the incredible work of Sitchin as far as the Anunnaki and the return of the 12th planet.
My two questions are, A, could the visitors who often appear as tall reptiles, sometimes with the graves, actually be the Anunnaki returning to the basically mankind that they may have created, as seen in all of the Old Testament, Anuma-Wish, Mayan, et cetera?
And secondly, if the second face at Sidonia, which has been identified, could actually represent the Anunnaki, with the first face representing the Cro-Magnon and precursor of mankind.
They're pretty heavy-duty questions, but I think if your viewers will go to the internet and look at those two issues, a second phase two at Sidonia and the work of Sitchin, it will absolutely blow their minds, especially all of the entire Earth Chronicles from Sitchin, which have frankly been pulling my brain through a pin and redefining everything and how I think you can look at past history as it's recorded.
I got a copy from Marina, the lady cosmonaut that's been outspoken about this.
And the one thing they photographed was roughly 16 kilometers long.
The other photograph that the Phobos mission took was of a gigantic shadow on the surface of Mars, of a streamlined, enormous object that apparently was casting a tremendous shadow.
And they photographed that on the surface.
So this is part of some of the material that we've got in this video we've put together.
And I'm told that if you guys order and get a hold of Joseph Bergeron over at Margana Nanagram, that Cecilia will send off a free reading list and a free congressional certificate, what do they call it here, initiative.
We're trying to get people to sign up and be a part of this thing.
So the material is there, and there's another point I want to make, Art, that I don't want anybody tonight to believe a damn thing I've said simply because I've said it.
I simply want people to go out and do their own homework.
And I want them to inform themselves.
And I think that getting a hold of these reading lists and getting a hold of some of these videos might be a good place to start.
If A is true that there is this group, there would have to be, whether you call them men in black or you call them something else, there would have to be an act of arm of containment for that group.
But the real ones are kind of complicated and very intricate, and there's some aspects to them that no guys with a bunch of boards and string can really pull off.
And so I've concluded many times, many years ago, that there is some communication.
They are a form of communication, and I think we need to pay attention.
I think an advanced intelligence is trying to get our attention, get us to wake up and start asking some proper questions here.
Well, as I said, I couldn't get a copy of it, so I wrote down some notes and took them with me.
And I'm a local reporter, and for me to take on something with the CDC, we just don't have the resources for me to go to Atlanta and start trying to nail these people down.
I thought of calling them and just never got around to it.
We'll get to that as soon as we get back on the air, Dick.
I've got a couple things I've got to do.
Thank you.
That's Dick in Hawaii.
Mainstream reporter in Hawaii.
We will ask that question in a second.
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To Robert O.D., and the question was, and it's a good one, that the real answer to all of this is that we are more than our physical bodies, that we are spiritual beings in every sense of the word and connected to those who we are talking about visiting us in that sense, ultimately.
I speak out pretty bluntly about this whenever I get a chance because this is another one of my major conclusions after over 35 years of research, that the spiritual component to the UFO matter is, in my opinion, the overriding major issue, which is probably why it's so damn sensitive and why the government does not know how to address this sort of thing.
Some of our communications we've had with some of our friends out there, and I've seen quite a bit of it, they indicate to us that we are indeed immortal souls with temporary bodies.
They call the bodies containers.
And we've gotten that from a number of different sources.
And I don't know why that would shock the hell out of people.
It says, if Mr. O'Dean really wants to blow the lid, in quotes, off this whole UFO issue within 24 hours, are you, Art, willing to post his documents, the ones that are not under his bed, on your website?
Somebody wants me to go to jail real bad here, I can tell.
Art, my point has been, and the point of the 200 guys in our old boys network is that all of us will come forward with what we've got, not only in our experiences, but with the material we have.
I've even got pieces of UFOs in my collection that are legitimate, that are real.
I've never gone public with some of that stuff.
Some of the classified documents that I have access to, I've never gone public with.
But we're willing to do it, Art, if we can get an open congressional hearing that will give us immunity from prosecution and will be open so that the American people can hear every damn word that is said.
Yes, I will proceed to show up in Congress with all of that material and I will lay it on the table as evidence 1, 2, 3, 4, 8.
I don't know which comment was, but you hung up on yourself.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert O'Dean.
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Hi, Art.
Hi, Robert.
My question is, if these beings are fourth-dimensional or tenth-dimensional or whatever they are, it seems to me that aligning yourself with a primitive fundamentalist religious group here on earth and trying to change them or trying to change a power-driven government or a world government or
secret group or whatever is kind of foolish.
Wouldn't you rather align yourself with a more advanced spiritual alien being for betterment of the earth?
And I said, you know, I like to think of myself as a Christian because I try to live my life according to the teachings of that beautiful young man in Galilee.
And what I consider myself more than anything else is a human being from the planet Earth.
And your answer or your comment is exactly the direction that I hope to be taking, and I try to make that point every chance I get.
That I am aligning myself with the future of the human race, that I believe in the future of the human species.
And I think the time has come where we have got to get away from all of this differences and this religious infighting and this bloodletting and this savagery, regardless of what church we go to.
Tell them again, as I've told them many times, that this is no joking matter, this is no laughing matter, and get away with the damn ridicule and address this intelligently.
I used to call Murock years ago, and there has been a lot of activity going on over there, and Gordon Cooper, who is a man I greatly admire, has flatly come out and stated that a UFO came and landed while he was there one time, and it's all on film.
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Well, my relatives tell me that there is a hillside out on Edwards that opens up, and the aircraft go right into the hillside, and then the hillside closes back up again.
A lot of people criticize him, but I think he's telling basically a true story.
All right.
Those bases are not uncommon.
The Germans developed them during the Second World War, where a plane can literally become airborne before it leaves the hangar, and the door opens and out it goes.
We've taken up on that.
The Germans who we brought over here after the war on Operation Paperclip.
First time caller line, you're on the air with Robert O'Dean.
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Hello.
I'm wondering if your guest or any listeners might be aware of or possibly had any kind of contact with uh spiritual beings, energies, uh, within our humanity's uh dream life.
Huh?
I haven't heard of any people being contacted in their dreams, perhaps initially or just contacted, period.
Well, it's going to happen again if you don't, so get it out.
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Okay.
There was a ball of light when I found myself all of a sudden standing in my father's driveway in California, along with all kinds of different sizes and shapes of UFOs.
And there wasn't words being said, but there was just overpowering sense of love and joy.
And lo and behold, we get another caller who fills in the blanks.
Yeah, there's been a lot of contact of that kind.
How many stories have we heard?
Thousands.
And thousands.
By the way, if you want a copy of this program, it's a four-hour job redue at 1-800-917-4278.
That's 1-800-917-4278.
But I'm going to keep reading these until I get some action on it.
Hi, Art.
I am a security officer at a large retirement community in Charlotte, North Carolina.
In the past few weeks, every time we've transported one of our residents via 911 for medical reasons, the ambulance has been rerouted because our hospitals are full of flu patients.
This is quite a situation that concerns many, Jeff in Charlotte.
I'm telling you, I'm being inundated.
It's a pandemic of faxes.
Now, maybe this is something that we ought not worry about, but I'm telling you, the size of the response I'm getting to this tells me that there is a story here that is not being fully told.
I really can't say any more about that.
I don't know about names and secret documents or any of the rest of it.
But sure as hell, there's something going on here, folks.
And I don't think we're being told the all of it.
Not to mention what Robert O'Dean is telling us.
By the way, I talked to Keith and he said, yeah, we'll put it up.
There was kind of a catch and a hesitancy to his voice, but he'll put it up.
One time not very long ago, we had an April Fool's joke, and we did a...
Keith had a...
It was just a...
It was a page we put up that was a joke.
And it had a fake FBI seal on there, and the FBI called us up and said, take it down or else.
So, of course, we took it down.
It was a parody.
It was just a parody.
It was after the Heaven's Gate thing, but they weren't kidding.
So, I mean, you know, there's risks in life, and I'm willing to take one, so's Keith, I guess.
So if you ever decide you want to dump that stuff, go ahead.
Yeah, listen, it's funny you should talk about all the flu and stuff because for the last week we've got news reports locally that they're inoculating all the kids at the schools in Kitchener-Waterloo, which is between Detroit and Toronto.
It's one of the books on my recommended reading list that I will be more than happy to send you if you want to buy that tape.
I think it's an important book.
I've talked to Bramley a few times, and I don't agree necessarily with everything that he says, but he's done his homework, and there's some pretty frightening things in there, which indicates that we have been involved in one way or another with extraterrestrial intelligence for one hell of a long time.
Now, whether it's all benevolent or whether there might be some aspects to it that are not, I guess we're going to have to wait and see.
Yeah, well, you see, in the infinity of space, for God's sake, we've got to understand that we're probably dealing with some that are and some that may not be.
The history of the human race is filled with References to some guys who apparently show up from time to time that are not very nice.
But that's the reality of life in this universe.
We've got some people on this planet that are not very nice.
Please let me ask my second question, Art, before you cut me off.
Question number one.
Question number one.
There is the Mars Global Surveyor around Mars right now.
My first question is, do you think it likely that sometime this year, 1998, or next year, 1999, the Mars Global Surveyor will take close-up photos of the face on Mars and NASA will make it public?
I'm a good friend of Richard Hoagland, and I know Dick has not a lot of confidence in NASA.
They've lied to us so damn many times.
We don't know whether we're going to get the truth from them or not.
For example, that Mars observer, whatever it was that we put out there some time back, from what I'm told by the guys over at JPL, it's operational and it's still in orbit.
But we were told that we can't even communicate with it anymore.
My second question, because with alien abductions, because these beings, if indeed it is true what is going on, they seem to interact genetically with human beings, it means either one of two things.
Either A, as you suggested, they created us, and we came from them.
Therefore, they can copulate with us or in some way genetically manipulate us.
Or my other theory, which I'm sure you may never have heard of, is that they are connected with the Earth in another way.
For example, I'll make it brief.
Dr. Michio Kaku talks about different universes, different dimensions, different timelines.
Suppose these beings came from our Earth of another timeline, where, for example, that asteroid that we know hit our Earth 65 million years ago, in their Earth, their timeline, it missed the Earth entirely.
And these are descendants of the dinosaurs who have lived 65 million more years and evolved into intelligence.
No, we already talked about the number of $80 billion.
It might be more, it might be less, who knows?
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And the second question, which is a lot more exciting, is...
Well, yeah, right.
which is speculation.
Could it be that those aliens that are in contact with us or with some of us and have made a
that they're violating the spiritual laws, and they've decided to switch sides, which is why what's going on now with the two of you and more people is actually going on.
Bob, do you think that those who have been in this deal or in communication have given up on the cabal that we've been talking about all night long, this group?
Well, if they haven't lost patience with that bunch, I'm a bit surprised because I've lost patience with them myself.
I talked to Robert Bigelow here sometime back about that very thing, and Bigelow agreed that our friends out there, our family out there that we're dealing with, has an agenda of their own.
And regardless of whose agenda we keep talking about here on the planet, that that agenda these guys have is the one that's going to be followed.
And if they intend to communicate and educate and prepare us by their own time schedule, I think that's the one that's going to be followed, whether the guys here in the cabal agree with it or not.
So I think that probably there is a separate agenda, and they may have given up on that bunch of yo-yos.
This is Marty calling from Oakland, Camden County, New Jersey.
I just have one question for your guest.
Sure.
Mr. O'Dean.
Yes, Marty.
You stated earlier that a saucer-type craft, flying saucer, crashed, landed, whatever, in northern Germany in 1964, and that the craft was found intact by the British.
Well, according to what I saw in the report, when I saw pictures of them taking it apart, they apparently brought it out in pieces on Lowboys, and the report indicated that it had been sent to United States facility in Ohio.
And, of course, my conclusion is that that was probably right-Patterson.
Anyway, they got it apart.
The British Engineer Battalion that retrieved this, the incident occurred near Timmensdorfer Strand on the Baltic Sea.
And back in those days, the British Army had the authority in That section of Germany, and their engineer battalion took the damn thing apart.
And the indications were that it was sent to a large U.S. facility in Ohio.
Robert, I really get a kick out of these typical UFO media hounds when it comes to UFOs and extraterrestrials.
One typical debunking method that I've become used to is from the mainstream UFO documentaries as they'll say, if extraterrestrials actually traveled to Earth from thousands of light years away, it would take an enormous amount of energy.
But who says they came from thousands of light years away?
I find it way more likely they are our next-door neighbors or our landlords, one of those two.
Also, Robert and Art, there was a show called In Search hosted by Leonard Nimoy.
And geode rock was found and split open by some students from UCLA, and it was found to have a small, anomalous, machine-like object petrified in the middle of it.
I've never heard about that again.
I've never heard it mentioned on any shows.
And basically that they took that series off the air.
And maybe in the future, you'll ask Spock if you get him back on.
Also, Mr. O'Dean, or I'm sorry, Mr. Dean, on the UFOs that are either triangular or boomerang-shaped, such as the Belgium Triangles in the early 90s, the Hudson Valley Chevron, do you remember that?
And the Phoenix boomerang, and Arts Triangle, do you think these UFOs are the Anasakis?
I would like to ask people that there's a 24-hour toll-free line, 1-888-338-8581.
And for anybody that calls in and orders that tape, which I'm rather proud of, I think it's fairly well done, you'll get a free copy of a petition for the 1998 Open Congressional Hearing on Modern UFO evidence.
And you'll get a primary suggested reading list that I've put together that's taken quite a few years to put together.
And anybody who wants to communicate with us here at Stargate, I encourage people to do so.
We publish a little newsletter.
We can use all the help we can get, Art, and we encourage people to participate in this process.
That's the only way we're ever going to get this thing out.
Julia put together this program, which I have a great deal of respect for, and it's a training program that she's put together on how to assist people.
But we monitor this thing pretty thoroughly, and if they call that hotline, the crisis intervention team will get back to those people, and we have great respect for their privacy, and we know that people need some assistance, and we're trying to give them all we can.