Chris Ruddy reveals a 1996 military jet crash investigation into Commerce Secretary Ron Brown’s death, where Air Force Lt. Col. Steve Conswell alleged a gunshot wound—evidence like X-ray metallic fragments ("lead snowstorm") and missing original negatives suggest a cover-up. Conswell’s slides, presented at a press conference in D.C., and a second pathologist’s corroboration challenge the official narrative. Meanwhile, Neil Slade discusses brain research linking precognition and telepathy to frontal lobe activity, citing Princeton’s psychokinesis experiments and déjà vu as evidence. He argues these abilities activate only for survival or communal benefit, dismissing claims of unethical use as misaligned reptilian instincts. Critics debate whether spiritual evolution or human constructs limit such powers, but Slade insists they’re tied to evolutionary brain functions—raising questions about untapped potential and the nature of consciousness itself. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be.
Wherever you are, this is Coast to Coast A.M., and I'm Art Bell.
Well, back down the hatches, I've got Chris Ruddy coming on, and boy, has he got news for you.
There's going to be a news conference tomorrow, and we're going to do a follow-up to what we reported the other day with regard to the ongoing investigation of the Ron Brown situation.
You recall Colonel Cogswell.
Well, we'll find out what happened to Colonel Cogswell, and guess what?
Now, another U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel is coming forward.
So this investigation goes up several notches.
All of a sudden, we will get the details from Chris Ruddy in a very few moments.
I would like to enlist the help of my audience, if possible, with something.
We're trying to get a copy of a program, and it may be that one of you out there just happened to tape it.
If so, we would like a copy of it.
It is some kind of shortwave program that runs on something called Amerinet.
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I guess it's on satellite, some satellite channel, and runs on shortwave.
And it would have been the Ted Gunderson show, or a show with Ted Gunderson and some guest named Dave.
And we don't know a whole lot more about it than that, but if anybody out there happens to have a copy of that, if you happened to tape it, then please do one of the following things.
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And again, what we're looking for is an audio tape copy of what ran on this Amerinet satellite channel earlier today on the Ted Gunderson Show with a guest named Dave.
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I would very much appreciate the help of anybody out there who might have a copy of that program.
Christopher Ruddy was here just a few days ago.
Christopher Ruddy is an investigative reporter for the Pittsburgh Tribune Review.
He has recently begun looking into the Ron Brown situation, and we will quickly review where we were up until today with Chris.
Let us review very quickly what we said the other night for those who might have missed that program.
In other words, bring us up to date to that night, if you would, please.
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Well, sure.
I'll just go through the articles that I've written in the past two weeks.
The first one was just questions about this crash where we were told originally when that plane went down with Ron Brown and 34 others on April 3rd, 1996, that the weather was terrible.
It turned out the weather was quite good.
The White House, the Pentagon, quickly said it was an accident before any Americans got to the scene.
One wonders how they were able to reach that conclusion.
The maintenance chief for the airport died mysteriously of a gunshot wound several days after the crash.
The authorities immediately ruled suicide.
We never really found out exactly what was wrong with the navigational beacons for the airport because the knowledge of those matters died or went with him and his untimely death.
The basic or main report last week was that an Air Force Lieutenant Colonel named Steve Conswell, who was part of the Brown death investigation, and he's a forensic pathologist, an Armed Forces medical examiner.
He was in Croatia at the crash site.
And he has alleged that there was an apparent gunshot wound to the very top of Secretary Brown's head.
A round, precisely a round hole approximately 45 caliber in size.
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Right.
And that it was located and discovered at Dover Air Force Base when Brown's body and the others were brought back to the United States.
And Coswell has alleged that there was additional evidence, in addition to this very circular hole, which is typical of a gunshot, the wound was inwardly beveling, which meant that it got wider as you went deeper, that the first x-ray showed fragments of a possible bullet or metallic items in the brain, that they destroyed the first x-ray.
They recalibrated the x-ray machine to reduce these white materials that were in the brain and in the image.
And when that report came out, just discussing and detailing these items that Conswell had been discussing in professional lectures and seminars he had been giving to forensic pathologists around the country, to members of the FBI at the FBI Academy taking training courses.
I reported that he had been making these allegations, and the world hit the fan for him.
The Army and the military quickly stepped in, and he was told that he should not talk to the press.
He was given a letter informing him he was under internal investigation.
Now, I should add for my audience that we still have photographs on my website of the hole in Ron Brown's head and of the x-rays that you're referring to, obviously not the kind of quality that you have.
And again, folks, these x-rays show, I don't want to put words where they ought not be, Chris, so stop me, but a fragmenting of a bullet consistent, a fragmenting of metal consistent with the breakup of a bullet in his brain.
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And sometimes they refer to this as a lead snowstorm.
Well, the day after we did the program, Chris, I began to hear that they were somehow silencing Cogswell.
Precisely what steps did they take?
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Well, they informed him that he wasn't to talk to the press, the starters.
Then they told him he couldn't leave his office during the workday.
He couldn't speak to the press during the workday or anyone on a non-professional basis on his phone, that he couldn't leave his floor, that he essentially had to stay at his desk all day.
And if he wanted permission to go to lunch, he needed authorization to do that.
One of the officers there told me this was tantamount to house arrest.
If you're told you have to stay in your home all day, that's house arrest.
Now, again, the military code is slightly different, but I still think that there are certain rights that even military personnel have about how their privacy can be invaded.
can I back up and ask why the x-ray was destroyed?
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Well, according to one of the people at Dover, it wasn't Cogswell, but I did speak to someone there, that there was a discussion and that they noted that there was a lead snowstorm.
So they decided that they were going to destroy it, recalibrate the X-ray machine with a lower density to hide those materials.
Destruction of evidence would be, in other words, if they were specific.
No, what you said was, you said that they noted there was a, quote, lead, what is it, snowstorm, thank you, and that they didn't want to have.
Now, if it was really there and not just a byproduct or an artifact because sensitivity was set too high somehow or another, then the destruction of that would, under those circumstances, constitute a crime.
Well, if it was, then it would constitute a crime.
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Well, I think it's very, very serious, especially if there was something wrong here where, I mean, we don't know if this was a gunshot.
We don't know if it was a gunshot, where it went and where it was fired before the plane crashed, during the crash, after the crash.
I think the bottom line, what Kantlo is trying to point out, is here you have the Secretary of Commerce, high-ranking federal official, lying dead on a table in the examination, and you see what appears to be a gunshot wound.
A very perfectly circular hole.
Now you have an x-ray.
The man needs an autopsy.
Open the body up, do the autopsy, rule out the possibility of the bullet.
And then how did Coswell come to be in possession of copies of those photographs?
And are those the only copies?
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Well, he came into possession because he asked for copies or slide negatives to be made of the original photographic negative relating to the Brown case.
And so he had a file of X-rays, I'm sorry, slides, which he was showing at these conferences.
That's how he came into contact with it.
Now, what's happened is, maybe we're going a little fast forward here, is that now we have evidence that all the X-rays, the head X-rays, the ones that were on the light box, they're all missing.
You're saying in a high-profile, even the new X-rays are missing.
In this kind of high-profile case, how can that be?
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Well, that's a good question.
And then we learn that the original negative negatives that were used to make copies for Cogswell, and I had gotten a copy, they are now missing.
They have no head x-rays in the negatives.
So what happens is Cogswell is treated terribly here for doing nothing.
The Air Force doesn't, the Armed Force Institute of Pathology, they don't go after the original pathology doctor and start asking him what happened, the X-rays.
And now we have not one, but a second officer coming forward.
This is an absolutely incredible story.
And by the way, if you're in the press, please stand by because there is going to be a full-blown news conference later today in Washington, D.C. That's why Chris Ruddy is there now.
And so what you're about to hear is a precursor to that.
You're going to hear it before the press hears it in the morning.
It's a Ron Brown case, and it is becoming ever more complicated by the moment.
From the high desert, I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast A.M. This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Night.
That's exactly who I am, and my guest, of course, is Chris Ruddy.
And the story continues in a moment.
All right, here it comes.
United Press International Dateline, Pittsburgh, December 9, UPI.
A published report says a second armed forces medical examiner says the corpse of Commerce Secretary Ron Brown seemed to have a bullet hole in the top of the head.
The Pittsburgh Tribune Review reports, U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel David Haus, is it Haus?
Haas, that's H-A-U-S-E, Says he saw an apparent bullet wound in the head supporting the account of forensic pathologist examiner Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Steve Coswell, according to the report.
Haas, I guess it's Haas, actually, and Coswell, both members of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, participated in the agency's investigation of the April 96 military jet crash in which Brown and 34 others died.
Now, it goes on and on and on.
It's a long story.
I'll stop there.
But, Chris, why has this Lieutenant Colonel now, so late, decided to also come forward?
What made that decision for him, do you think?
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Well, I think that the treatment of Cogswell hit a nerve in him.
And the reason why he's never seen anything quite like this, he's been a career professional in pathology.
He knows that the Armed Forces Institute has forever directed its members to discuss cases and to lecture on cases.
He's discussed and detailed the problems in the Brown case.
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And this was never off limits.
And I think, you know, when you're in the military that long and you see something, maybe there were a series of incidents, but apparently he was concerned enough about this that he came forward to me and said that, yeah, he had been present at Dover Air Force Base.
He was two examination tables away from where Brown's body was when it was brought in.
And he heard a commotion.
They were all talking about a gunshot wound.
And Colonel Haas went over, examined it, and said, yeah, it looked like a .45 caliber or something close to it, entrance wound at the very top of the head.
Now let's remember and point out that Cogswell was in Croatia at the time the examination took place.
He came back.
He was told by the pathologist that did the autopsy, Dr. Bormley, that it may have been a gunshot or appeared to be a .45 caliber possible gunshot, but could he find a piece of the aircraft in Croatia that would explain it?
And Coswell comes back and looks at the photos and finds out about the x-ray and is just baffled about what happened and the fact they didn't do an autopsy.
Well, apparently Dr. Haas was actually there at Dover and he went over.
Now Haas has been involved with autopsy since 1972.
He's a Purple Heart winner from Vietnam, U.S. Army machine gunner.
He was a police officer for a while.
Then he went back into med school and the Army, became an officer, rose through the ranks.
He was the chief combat surgeon for the Gulf War, medical examiner for armed forces in Germany.
In a case such as this, now Ron Brown was a civilian.
I'm not familiar with autopsy procedures, but wouldn't this be sufficient reason, no matter what the relatives might say with regard to an autopsy, to absolutely proceed without question?
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Well, certainly in the case of Brown, because Brown was a member of the cabinet.
He wasn't a member of the military.
But because he was a member of the cabinet, he's covered under what's known as the Presidential Assassination Statute, which gives the Armed Forces Institute essentially jurisdiction over the president and cabinet members.
They're supposed to, if there's a suspicious death of the president, it's the Armed Forces Institute that is prepared to do this autopsy.
In fact, some of them were preparing and thinking, you know, here we have a cabinet member.
This is the first high-ranking suspicious death that we have to examine since the presidential assassination statute was put into effect in the 60s.
Well, even all of that aside, the treatment of Cogswell since, and now the second officer coming forward, all of this, the missing x-rays, all of this would lead one to be suspicious no matter what.
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Well, Haas's job last week, and I think this played into why he called me, was he went through the case file for Brown, and they laid out the original negative film in the case file.
So these were the sort of the x-rays that were put up in the light box, or they were the original negatives from that.
And they examine it, and he found that indeed there were no head x-rays left.
They were all gone.
He went into the safe of the photography department, and he was to inventory all the photo negatives.
They're missing all of the head photo negatives, the x-rays.
They're gone.
So he has now confirmed what Conswell was saying, that the X-rays have all disappeared.
And I think it really underscored in his mind, you know, why is Conswell being hung out to dry?
They're a little bit small for what you would typically expect for a gunshot.
Cogswell says that a handgunshot.
But still, you'd have to open up the head to find out what it is.
You don't destroy the x-ray.
The other thing is, and this is really the key point, the pathologist that did the examination said it was definitely not a gunshot because, he said, the bone in the skull, yes, there was a circular hole.
Yes, it looked like a gunshot wound, but he noticed that the bone of the skull did not break into the brain, that you couldn't see the brain, that all it had done was whatever hit the head had just depressed the skull in a little bit, indented it, maybe we would say.
We have what Gormley didn't know when he was telling me this, and he said to me, if you could see the brain and it did go into the brain, then that would be a problem.
That would be really bad.
But what he didn't know at the time was that I had the x-rays or photocopy, photo negatives of them or photographs of them, and that I had the photograph of the wound, the hole.
And in the bullet hole, or the apparent bullet hole, you can see visible brain.
And Cogswell says you can see visible brain.
He says the x-ray shows.
I took it to independent experts.
They all said you can see the brain, and it's clear that that penetrated the skull.
And what's incredible now is that Lieutenant Colonel Haasett, he personally examined it at the site, and all he could see was the brain.
It cut right through whatever it was.
And you don't get a perfectly cylindrical hole, a perfect circle like that, unless it's something of extremely high velocity, much higher than you would get in a plane crash.
Well, asking, okay, on the one hand, they're saying the bullet didn't penetrate, but on the other hand, we've got the x-rays showing the fragments in the brain.
If you were to ask a pathologist, what kind of condition would a person be in who suffered the trauma shown in this picture of an X-ray internally in the brain, what kind of answer would you get?
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Well, I think what a pathologist would like to see is larger fragments, typically for a bullet.
They'd also like to open it up and find out what is there.
Sometimes there are problems with the X-ray machines.
One of the problems is the side X-ray was overexposed, so it's very hard to pick up if they're, because the side X-ray should sort of show, if the frontal X-ray is correct, that there are fragments in the head, the side X-ray should also show fragments.
But other than the bone plug, it's hard to see anything in skull fractures and fracture lines in the skull because they overexposed that x-ray.
Okay, let's go back to the language when they were all standing around the table.
That seems critical to me, Chris.
In other words, no matter whether he was shot or not shot, if they thought he had been shot, if at that moment with Brown on the table, they were concluding that there was lead in his brain, and they actually, can you tell me who uttered the words that we're going to have to destroy these?
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Well, I don't think anyone ever used the word, let's destroy the x-ray.
But the initial one was destroyed.
And I know right now I'm not printing, but I may have a story in the future.
Who said that there was a Lead Snowstorm?
And that's why it was replaced, certainly.
But there is a witness there that did overhear that.
And I don't frequently do it, but because I consider, frankly, an awful lot of the nonsense in Washington to be utterly irrelevant to the lives of most American people.
But this is a horse of a different color.
There's no question about it.
I mean, this is very, very serious.
And their reaction to it is what bothers me as much as anything else.
There could be a dispute, of course, about an injury to the head that kind of looked like a bullet wound, but their reaction to this is not consistent with people who have nothing to fear.
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Right.
And the actions of the investigators after they find this apparent bullet hole and the failure to do it on the missing x-rays.
Well, a lot of people, some people, after you were on last time, faxed me incredulous, saying, why would anybody bother to shoot somebody who was about to die in a plane crash?
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Well, see, what people are doing is they're not handling this as an investigator would, which is first determine if there is a bullet and then try to figure out what happened.
So it's not the job of someone sitting there after the fact to say, oh, it couldn't happen.
We know there have been cases in this country where planes have gone down.
They found bullet holes, where there was a struggle on the plane or terrorists or sabotage.
There were several people on that plane that had handguns.
Handguns were missing from the crash site afterwards.
Really?
There was, oh yeah, the first American rescuer on the scene noticed there was a handgun out of the holster, and he said it shouldn't have fallen out, that somebody had looted it and stolen it.
People might have been fired.
There could have been a firing of weapons after the crash.
So certainly we shouldn't rule out any possibility here.
We just have a bullet hole or a parent bullet hole in the head of someone that needs to be investigated.
And without pointing the fingers at anyone and saying anyone murdered another person, you say there's a potential of homicide.
Yes.
And then you need to further investigate it.
I've gotten a number of people have said to me, well, 45 or something similar, 40, if that's fired into your head, you have an exit wound, and there was no exit wound here.
Well, remember where the bullet comes in.
It comes in, put your finger at the very top of your head.
You're going to have a press conference later today, Washington time.
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Where and when?
Well, at 11.15 in the morning at the Willard Hotel downtown Washington.
And basically what I'm going to do is show on videotape the various slides that Konslow has been showing on the Brown case and with it play a recording of an interview I did by telephone with him where he explained what the various images mean and indicate just as he would in one of his lectures.
Now it's only open to members of the press that have credentials and no cameras are allowed and of course a lot of the photos are extremely graphic of the body and graphic crash scenes and so people should any press that are coming obviously discretion is advised.
If somebody else wants to come forward, how do they get a hold of you?
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Well, they can call me in Pittsburgh at the Tribune Review, which is 412-834-1151.
412-834-1151.
And another neat way to get a hold of me, of course, is through my web page and to read these articles, which also I think we hook into your page, is www.ruddynews, r-u-ds and david, deez and davidy, ruddynews.com.
And I might also, my publisher will be very happy, remind people that I have a book in bookstores now, not on this case, but it has a lot of parallels in a strange way, called The Strange Death of Vincent Foster about what I allege was a cover-up of the Vince Foster death.
And there seems to be a lot of eerie similarities.
Although in this case, you know, some people have said, well, why do you want to weaken your credibility claiming there's a bullet hole in Ron Brown's head and all of this?
Well, in this case, it's even stronger than the Foster case because here we have the X-rays, the photos, and we have people that examine the body or in part of the Investigation ranking individuals saying there's a problem here.
And the first topic, which is really intriguing, called Popping Your Fuddle Lobes, The Big Bang.
No reference, The Last Hour.
Our brains.
Neil Slade, composer, musician, artist, author.
His music, as a matter of fact, has been heard by millions in his PBS movie soundtrack for Still and as music for the Kodak United States Traveling Exhibition.
He has given concert performances at places like the Gerald Ford Amphitheater, the U.S. Air Force Academy, a graduate in music and education.
He's taught music and art for 23 years, was an assistant to brain and behavioral researcher and former NBC television personality TBA Lingo for 11 years.
Slade also maintains an extensive World Wide Website, and you can get to it by going to my website right now.
We had an absolutely shocking hour last night with, this night rather, last hour with Chris Ruddy with regard to the Ron Brown information.
And those photographs are now on my website.
All you've got to do is go down, for example, to Neil Slade's name in the guest area and click on his name on the link and you will go to Neil's website.
Well, we're going to talk about something here that's been a well-kept secret in this region.
As you mentioned, I worked with behaviorist T.D. A. Lingo for over a decade.
And he has received a fair amount of attention in the Rocky Mountain Press here about the work that he did for 35 years.
And you are, in fact, the first nationally broadcast media person to break this story.
So your listeners are in for a very unique experience tonight.
I want to, right up front, make very clear that some of the things that we're going to talk about may seem very extraordinary.
People may not believe upon hearing that they can turn on their own pre-existing circuits for extrasensory types of activities.
They may not believe at first that they can easily communicate with alternative reality entities.
But, you know, I'm really a down-to-earth person.
I still continue to teach grade school kids.
I've taught in the public schools.
I teach privately.
So, you know, I'm not about to make claims that are, you know, ridiculous.
These have been the things that I will describe have been my own personal experience, as well as the experiences of hundreds of people who have been a part of the brain lab here in Colorado, Lingo's Brain Lab.
And I think I've told my audience about it, and I don't want to be repetitive, but I'll briefly give the explanation, okay?
Here I was in Santa Barbara working in radio at the time for KDB in Santa Barbara, as a matter of fact, at that time, and not my present affiliate, I ought to add.
And I had come home after work at the radio station, and I was sitting on the couch in a garden-type apartment.
Now, you may be familiar with the type apartments that you, they have large sliding glass doors that go out to a little balcony-type affair.
And we had that, and we were on the ground floor.
And I parked my car in front of, around the sidewalk, you know up to the sidewalk right in front of my window it seemed a logical place a it was the closest to my residence I could just go up a little walkway second obviously having it close by was good for a number of reasons so I that's where I parked and I parked I came home sat down watched TV and I was in the middle of the evening news consuming it as usual and
And I went back, and I sat down again, and again began to watch the news.
And immediately, no time lapse, immediately, here it comes again, in wave after wave after wave, causing me to compulsively get up again, utter something else I can't repeat, go back over, spread.
This time, I pulled the curtains apart, and I stood there, and I looked at my car.
It was fine.
Well, three or four seconds later, here comes a fellow walking from my building, which held many apartments, down the walkway that I described, walked, just walked down in front of my car, walked around, got in his car, which was parked directly in front of my car, put it in reverse, and slammed into my car.
I was so shaken, not by the occurrence of my car being hit, but by the fact that I had known about this, that I fell to my knees.
I was that actually, I was in shock, shaken very badly.
I had enough sense to get up, and to open up the sliding glass door, and yell at, hey, I saw that, I've got your license number.
and he said, oh, I'm stopping, I'm stopping, and it was no big deal, but there is no question about it.
I knew that was, I knew something was going to happen.
I didn't know that was going to happen, but I knew something was going to happen to my car.
It wasn't ambiguous.
I couldn't ignore it.
I've never had it before.
I've never had it since, and I did nothing to bring it on.
It's like it came out of the blue, and it went away, and it's never come back.
very interesting well what happened to you you is you accidentally access the pre-existing circuits in your frontal lobes or that part of your brain which is able to perceive future events.
And at this particular time, since it was the first time it happened to you, it was shocking.
You didn't know really, I mean, you were just taken aback by it.
What is interesting is that you didn't force this mental situation.
It just happened to you by accident.
And that you didn't do anything extraordinary to cause it to happen.
You just slipped into this particular frame of mind.
And at the Brain Lab, we've come up for a pretty good explanation of why this happens and how any ordinary person can begin to experience this kind of thing routinely.
And we'll get into that.
What's important to start out with is to understand how the brain is basically put together.
And we'll be putting together a puzzle, as it were.
And each piece of the puzzle will eventually form a whole, and then you will see for yourself and understand how and why that happened and how you can regularly make use of that technical part of your brain.
Scientists have come to the conclusion that the, and we're talking about neurophysiologists, doctors, people across the globe dedicate their lives to understanding the brain.
Now, myself, I'm primarily a musician teacher, so I don't claim to be a neurophysiologist, but I have gathered over many years certain relevant facts that have helped me and that I'll share with you and your audience.
We have a wonderful television station here in Denver, Channel 12, and it shows all kinds of programming that not even our regular PBS station would touch.
And one evening, they were showing a movie.
And the movie started out, well I tuned on in the middle of the program and it was people talking, they were sitting in the mountains next to log cabins and up in the trees and it was obvious from the movie that they were very, they were like in the wilderness.
And they were talking about their brain and all these fantastic experiences that they were having.
and one woman was relating how one day she came outside of her tent and she was looking at the arm, and suddenly she could see inside the cells of her arm, and she could perceive the corpuscles moving in and out of the veins of her arm, and she was seen with a microscopic type of vision.
And Daniel can look at you, touch you, touch an article that has come from you, and know your health condition.
He can tell you precisely what's wrong with you.
Is that the kind of talent you were just describing?
Now, I can understand, for example, if you could look inside your arm and you could see its function and inner as you would with an x-ray or MRI or in this case, something apparently even better, such a diagnosis would be entirely possible.
Is that the kind of a talent or ability that somebody like Daniel Brinkley or somebody like that?
It's very interesting that he has this ability and he's in the business of healing people.
Part of the brain that allows us these wonderful psychic, unusual powers that are out of the ordinary, the telepathy and the precognition.
These powers are associated with that part of the brain which is the most evolutionarily advanced part of our brain, which is also, not incidentally, associated with cooperative behaviors.
As it turns out, I know someone who lives near Las Vegas.
And they work at a community service organization, a nonprofit organization that helps people in the community.
They're not a profitable organization, but they do need funds.
And it turns out that this woman is psychic.
And whenever the organization needs funds, she drives into Las Vegas and goes around to various casinos, and she wins the money that the organization needs to survive and help the community.
The story I told you about myself is absolutely, unequivocally true.
Now, what it was, I don't know.
I think we've got the fellow who's about to tell us.
You told us the story of the lady in Las Vegas who, for good reasons, goes and wins money at the casinos.
They know that she's doing something.
Now, casinos in Las Vegas watch for card counters.
They watch for all kinds of people who might be trying to jip them out of money.
But there would be no apparent, at least with the kind of talent you're talking about that this lady has, there would be no apparent thing they could pin on her if they could call her a card counter if she was playing cards.
Now, this Dr. Paul McLean worked for many years at NIM, the National Institute of Mental Health, and he then went on to his own laboratory of brain research that he set up for his own.
And what he came up with was a new way of looking at the brain.
And let's see what my little date, this is the 1952-ish or so.
And Dr. Paul McLean realized that the human brain is a tri-un brain.
It is a reptilian brain core surrounded by another layer which is called the mammal brain, further surrounded by another mammal, like dogs and cats, M-A-M-M-A-L.
That could be compared to the reptilian brain core that a human has.
If we look at our spine, it comes up and it goes right into the center of the brain.
It's the innermost part.
Then around a hard seed with an apple, we've got a pulpy type of core, which takes up, say, another 10% of the brain.
The seeds are very tiny, but the core makes up maybe 10% of that bulk there.
Now, around the reptilian spinal cord end, knobby end of our brain, we have this mammal brain.
And then we can think of the fruity part of the apple and the final outside shiny coat of the apple as the primate brain.
And so in our brain, around this reptilian mammal core, we have the vast bulk of the brain, the gray matter and the white matter, the part of the brain that's all wrinkly, that when we see in a brain, this is what we see.
So the human brain is constructed in this way like an apple.
And each one of these sections of our brain has a specific function.
Now, as reptiles evolved into more complicated creatures, we saw birds, we saw little small mammals and mice, and this eventually evolved into what we recognize as dogs and cats now.
Now along with the rest of the body that evolved, the brain also evolved.
And so we have a new layer that was built over the reptilian brain, and it added on additional behaviors.
And these behaviors that we find now in mammals, but absent in the earlier reptiles, are behaviors of bringing up the young, of nurturing young.
All of a sudden we have animals that are caring for others of their species.
Now, when reptiles reproduce, they lay their eggs and they split.
Whereas reptiles were only concerned with the self, now mammals all of a sudden, well, they don't discard the reptilian behaviors, but they add on another 50% of cooperative consciousness.
If you look at your dog or cat at home, you know, at least half of the time they're happy to see you.
They jump into your lap.
They look you in the face when you give them food.
And mammals add play behavior.
Of course, if you give them a bone and then you try to take the bone away, what happens?
They suddenly revert into the competitive reptilian behavior.
Even with a domesticated animal, if you seriously began to compromise its food supply and it saw you taking its food, it would eventually take a piece out of you.
And they, you know, mammals sort of click between the survival reptilian me, me, me consciousness and the cooperative consciousness, sort of like a light switch that's flicking back and forth in the wind, just depending on its environment.
What's interesting is when you get to human beings, you have even further development of this primate brain, and the whole one-third bulk of the brain, which we have come to known as the frontal lobes, develops.
Now, if you look at this frontal lobe area on dogs or cats, it makes up immediately 5% of the brain.
If you go to monkeys and apes, all of a sudden it jumps to 17% of the brain.
But once you get to humans and dolphins, the very high mammals like dolphins and whales, this frontal lobe area jumps to 29% of the neocortex.
And what we have realized is that behaviors that we have recognized as purely human behaviors, behaviors such as language, abstract thought, planning, these are a result of this new additional parts of the brain that evolve primarily for humans.
It's the frontal lobes.
And I've come up with a little, I think the word is anagram, where you have a word that stands for a series of other things.
I don't know if you remember the show Beanie and Cecil, but there used to be a cartoon, and this little kid used to wear this beanie, and he would fly all over the place.
So you can use the word Cecil, C-I-C-I-L, to describe the functions of this most advanced part of the human brain, the frontal lobes.
And the frontal lobes compute creativity, imagination, cooperation, intuition, and logic.
Now these are highly advanced skills that appear nowhere else in nature.
It's kind of interesting how generally these extrasensory skills, at least from my observations and from the observations at the brain lab, they're not something that you turn on and off, you know, like you turn your television on or off.
It's more, you know, if you think about all of your other senses.
And you can pull down two pictures, one of white noise, which essentially is like what you see on your television when there's no signal, just all the little dots.
Uh-huh.
And you could put that on the right-hand side.
On the left-hand side, you could put a picture of a castle.
And you start out, and the two pictures will start to sort of interweave with each other.
And your job is to try and cause one to resolve over the other.
In other words, to completely clear up the picture and cause the castle to be clear or to completely turn it all into white noise.
That's something that anyone can do, and you don't even need a computer.
in that case you've got a whole lot of guys who play professional NFL football who would like to talk to you but right but here but all of a sudden we're getting into a situation where someone is starting to click into competitive consciousness.
Here's where I have the whole thing that we're talking about are purely non-competitive.
Why, though, would any negative motivation for wanting to wield this power, most power you can describe in the world, from nuclear power to any other kind of power, has both positive and negative uses.
Now, it's easy for me to imagine that this power exists, that we have it latent or developing in our brains.
It's hard for me to imagine that we can only use it for good and cannot use it for reasons ranging from personal profit to evil.
If it's real, it should be able to be wielded for any reason, good or bad.
So when we come back after the top of the aisle, I'd kind of like to know why it is that when we try to use it for something, personal profit or whatever, it doesn't work.
That would be me, and my guest is Neil Slade, and boy is this interesting stuff for what?
He's written a book called The Frontal Lobes Handbook.
He's been deeply involved in music for years.
However, worked with a brain researcher for years and years and years, a TPA lingo for 11 years.
And we're talking about the brain, and we're talking specifically about the ability of our brain to perform seemingly amazing feats, precognition, telekinesis, clairvoyance, that sort of thing.
The silent senses, he calls them.
And he has developed a kind of a theory with regard to our brain that suggests there are three separate parts, the reptilian Or center portion of the brain connected directly to our spinal cord, which cover the four F's, and we'll move through that again.
The mammal section, the next section out in the brain, which takes care of nurturing the young and higher functions, of course, than the reptilian portion, which is basically fight-or-flight and food and reproduction, which is an R instead of an F, but family radio, right?
And then the outermost portion, the primate portion, which contains, which includes the frontal lobes of our brain.
And all of this makes sense, of course, if you believe in evolution.
Now, we are talking about the specific abilities of precognition, for example.
I've had that one great example in my life of precognition only once.
Maybe I'll have it again someday, who knows?
But there was no question about it.
It was there.
I didn't want it.
I couldn't control it.
I couldn't stop it.
And it has never happened again.
He says, at that point, I was operating around a level eight or nine.
Normally, I'm a one.
I don't have precognition.
I have a little bit of intuition, but that's way down on the scale compared to precognition.
And let me tell you where we are in the discussion.
He says there is a lady, for example, in Las Vegas who, for a good cause, will go to a casino and win money, which she then will do good with in an organization that she represents.
But it seems as though you can only do good with this and not bad, and that part doesn't make sense to me, and we're going to talk about that in a moment.
There are two stories you should be aware that I'm tracking.
One is in Reno, where my affiliate and many, many other people report having seen a red object in the sky.
We're trying to get more information on that.
If you have it, we would appreciate any input.
An ongoing, a fairly serious sighting in the Reno area.
And here we go again.
The Washington Fire Department finds goo from the sky.
Goo.
Just this evening on the NBC Portland, Oregon TV affiliate, they reported a person brought the Everett, Washington Fire Department some, quote, goo that fell from the sky following a rain.
And quote, the substance, a clear gel, has yet to be identified.
And indeed, a year or so ago, I interviewed a lady in Western Washington who also reported this goo stuff.
It was, I believe, covered by a network television operation.
This goo killed her cat, and there had been a UFO sighting in connection with that particular report.
So I'm looking at both of these stories right now and following them.
I've got a lot of other information for you as well, which we'll get out when we're in open lines.
But with regard to the sighting in Reno, many, many people apparently saw it, including air controllers who saw this whatever it was, but did not see it on radar.
And the witnesses include personnel at KOH Radio in Reno.
So it's a developing story, and I'll keep you informed.
First of all, you have to, let me relate this to you.
Lingo ran his program for 35 years, starting with young, pre-adolescent children who came up for summer camp, and then adolescents, then young adults, and finally adults.
And every summer he held a brain in nature course.
And what he noticed was a distinct increase in extrasensory abilities reported by subjects who went through the annual Brain in Nature course.
Now, the people who went through the course perform daily routines of various brain exercises and meditations designed simply to increase the amount of creative, intelligent frontal lobes processes.
Thought processes that we know are a product of frontal lobes types of thinking.
Many people came up to the program to find help in dealing with troublesome emotional, personal problems.
And the summer course was designed to deal with these kinds of problems.
So accordingly, as the subjects increase their frontal lobe processes and behaviors, and eliminated negative mental hang-ups associated with reptilian brain processes,
they also reported increased incidences of extrasensory and paranormal activity.
Now subjects who experience the most pronounced levels of change known at the lab as popping your frontal lobes, they reported routine occurrences of extrasensory experience.
This was also my own personal experience there.
So what we have found through trial and error and reports from subjects and also relating the connection between frontal lobes activities and the occurrence of these paranormal skills is that the frontal lobes portion of the brain is either the location of
these skills or, it somehow at the very least is involved in the neural pathways involved in these skills.
It allows you to see, let's say, if you do action A. The frontal lobes allow you to compute the results, the resulting chain link of effect of your action.
Now, if your actions that you take as a result of, let's say, your precognition or your telepathy,
if these actions enhance your ability to survive and enhance the community's ability to survive, then these abilities are a natural part of your expression.
So if you, let's say you think, okay, I'm going to pick some winning lotto numbers, and then I'm going to take that money and I'm going to put it into the bank for me.
Scientists really recently have discovered what they are calling, or we are calling actually, a God spot in the brain.
No joke.
In other words, they have determined through actual measurement that when people pray or consider things religious, God, whatever, there is a specific part of the brain, which I can't give you at this moment.
Now, if we think about consciousness in the brain as a sort of a pathway, we could say that consciousness begins in the rectiliar, I believe it's called a rectiliar activating formation.
It's in the reptile brain.
And there's a little switch in that part of the brain, and when it's clicked off, we're asleep.
And when we wake up in the morning, this little switch in this part of our reptile brain clicks on, and the energy flows from our reptile brain out to our mammal brain and then out to our frontal lobes.
Well, the switch is in the mammal portion of the brain, and the mammal portion of the brain is midway between the innermost reptile brain and the outermost primate brain and frontal lobes.
Now, when this click switch, and it's called the amygdala, and that comes from the Greek word meaning almond, because it's a little nut-shaped protuberance inside, right in the middle of our brain.
And your audience can find this switch very easily.
All you do is you take your fingers, okay, and your index fingers, and put them about, oh, three-quarters of an inch in front of each ear, right at the temple, and point straight in.
And about one inch inside each temple is where these switches are located.
And there's one for the right half of the brain, the right hemisphere, and there's one for the left hemisphere of the brain.
Well, you know, I recently wrote a book called Have Fun.
And what I try to do is make the switching of the amygdala process and turning on the infinite potential of the frontal lobes as simple as possible.
And so I started out by saying to the audience, I'm going to explain how you can achieve nirvana in a matter of seconds, and I'll explain this to your audience as well.
Okay, now the first thing you do is you find a neurosurgeon.
And you get him to implant an electrode needle in the anterior, that's the front portion of your amygdala, in the right side of your brain and the left side of your brain.
Well, you only need a couple of milliamps of power, okay?
You turn on the tooth and voila!
You will see God instantaneously.
And this is exactly What scientists did back in the 50s.
Now, if you go to your local medical school library and you can look up the neurobiology of the amygdala or some other books which document these case histories, you'll find that scientists learned what happens when you stimulate the front part of the amygdala and what happens when you stimulate the back part of the amygdala.
And the result is exactly the opposite.
When the posterior portion of the amygdala is stimulated, it turns on reptilian brain behaviors and the attendant emotional emotions that go along with those behaviors.
People who click their amygdala backwards become paranoid, they experience fear, they experience the full range of negative emotions and exhibit reptilian fight or flight types of behaviors.
When the amygdala is clicked forward and it sends electrical chemical energy forward into the frontal lobes, they feel peace of mind.
And many people have reported cosmic connectedness.
As you said it, they see God.
And they exhibit attendant frontal lobes behaviors.
For example, a cat put a mouse in a cage with a cat, and what does the cat do?
The cat attacks the mouse and eats it.
Now, they did this with the cat, and they clicked the amygdala forward of the cat, because a cat has an amygdala too.
Jose Delgado, in 1962, attached an electrode inside a bull's brain.
And the bull, they waited for the bull to go into a full charge, and they turned on the juice and clicked the amygdala forward, stopped the bull dead in its tracks.
The bull clicked out of reptilian counterattack behaviors and right into cooperative frontal behaviors and calmed down.
Now they did this.
They started out doing it in rats, and then they went up to cats, and they clicked the amygdala in dogs, and then they did it in apes, and then they did it in people.
People who had neurological tendencies and uncontrolled rage.
And they found that they could eliminate the rage behaviors.
And they actually outfitted some people with little buttons that they could press at will.
And they could physically, without doing any kind of mental exercises, click their amygdalas.
Now this is another thing that was spent many years at the lab.
Now we knew from the scientific data what our goal was.
The goal was to experience the positive emotions, the elimination of the negative emotions and traumas.
We wanted to develop more advanced frontal lobes abilities, but we didn't want the long extension cord.
So over many years of trial and error, many different exercises were designed to allow the ordinary person to click their amygdala forward while they're waiting in line at the supermarket.
What we've got to do is make sure that we now stimulate the front part of our amygdala so that the energy chemical flow is into this advanced part of our brain.
And we're going to take that feather, and we're going to tickle the front part of our right amygdala, and we're going to tickle the front part of our left amygdala.
Now, if you stimulate mentally the front part of the amygdala, then you're clicking the switch forward into creative, cooperative, imaginative, intuitive, logical behaviors.
So then does it require or is it enhanced by some sort of concentration meditation exercise that produces an altered state allowing us to really turn up the temperature?
Well, in other words, trying to do this while at the supermarket with all the buzz and hum going on around you is going to be at best a somewhat difficult thing to do.
Doing it in a quiet environment where you are contemplative and you are doing nothing other than focusing on this project would seem to me you'd have a better chance of yes, absolutely.
And what people report is if they cut down the external stimulus and do this exercises, suddenly they feel a warmth in the front part of their brain.
They may sense some lights.
They may actually hear very subtle sounds.
They may see little sparks.
It runs a full gamut.
Some people, the first time they do this, don't notice anything.
One of the things that was so great about the brain lab is that it was located 40 miles in the wilderness.
So people would go up to the brain lab and they'd be away from their job and they'd be away from the traffic and the pollution and they would do this and the results would be spectacular.
In the city, it's a little harder because you have a lot of distractions and your environment is keeping you clicked into self-defense, counterattack.
You know, you get in your car and you think, is somebody going to have a road rage?
You walk into the 7-Eleven and you wonder, is this nut?
So your environment is keeping you clicked into your reptile brain.
And it's no wonder that you don't experience telepathy or precognition.
All right, let us assume that a lot of people at home are able to take this first step.
How long a road is it from the first step and the first feelings that you generate by doing this mental exercise to possible abilities like precognition, like telepathy, like even telekinesis, the ability to move objects with your mind?
How much of a journey is it from the very beginning tickle to the development of those sorts of abilities?
All right, I'm going to lay something on you here and at least get your reaction to it.
I have interviewed many people who believe many things.
About a week ago, I interviewed a guest who suggested that indeed there Is a physical barrier in the brain that we use about 10% or less of our brain, and that that barrier was there for a very specific reason, put there by those who created, or if you will, engineered us.
In other words, he did not believe fully in the process of evolution as we think we understand it.
He suggests that there is a great missing link, and of course there is a missing link with regard to our evolutionary process, and that something interceded at the moment, at that particular moment that we cannot yet discern, and intentionally put that barrier there so that we might not develop further.
But anyway, that's what keeps us from clicking forward.
We learn, we are conditioned to click backwards.
And we learn that, well, if we click forwards and dance at the dinner table, and if we click forwards and start singing in line at the supermarket, we're going to get our behind whipped.
The Zen people say enlightenment is passing through the gate where there is no gate.
You know, when you discover that you can indeed click forward into your frontal lobes and there's nothing stopping you from doing it, it's like dropping the lead weight that you've been carrying around your shoulders for your whole life.
And this is what the big, you know, when you get in an airplane and your ears clog up, you know, and all of a sudden they pop.
My guest is Neil Slade, and this is really, really fascinating stuff.
We're actually teaching you a way you can switch your brain into a higher gear, in effect, and enter the areas where you can do things that, I don't know, other people claim they have natural abilities for, psychic abilities, healing, telepathy, telekinesis, which I imagine would be at the outside of a fully developed ability.
And we're going to ask Neil some questions here shortly.
Yeah, it sounds as like you weren't able to continue perpetually.
And perhaps some of these things that you were saying, it's like you knew when the police were four blocks away.
Some of these things could have been just very normal types of very common brain functioning.
It was like maybe you were imagining.
I was criminally hearing the same time there was this little voice all along that was saying, well, you just can't go on forever and do this kind of thing.
And I think this realization that what you were doing was not only not good for society as a whole and not good for you and your future, I think this kind of went hand in hand.
And that's what I was referring to earlier when I was saying, you know, when you use the higher functions of the brain to do things that ultimately cause yourself and society damage, it's like putting your finger in a hot flame.
You just can't do it.
And if you do it, you can only do it for so long, and then you've got to pull your finger out.
What I do for a living now is I deal cards in a casino.
Well, you know, you're There are, I know something about Las Vegas, and there are certain dealers, and you pointed out earlier that if somebody's winning, that they will take certain steps.
And trust me, one of those steps is they will change the dealers.
They'll take somebody like this fellow and substitute him for whoever was at that table because, believe me, they're gone.
I know about the casino industry, and there are people like this caller who win for the house, not by cheating, just because it's what they do.
Now, this kind of backs up what you're talking about, Neil, but it kind of erodes one aspect of what you've been talking about, and that is that it cannot be used for a less than fully moral, ethical purpose.
Yeah, I'm going to read that report here in a moment.
Thank you for reminding me.
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Oh, sure.
Okay.
I tapped into what you guys were discussing years ago, yons ago.
I'm 36.
And have you guys done any research on it?
I found that it amplifies just through the realization that it exists.
Like rather than attributing like deja vu and or coincidence, if you attribute that to what it actually is, which is precognitive skills and or each time you accept the realism of it, it accelerates and amplifies the ability.
Have you guys researched that from that direction at all?
Well, you know, the frontal lobe skills are accumulative.
Okay?
At the beginning, when you first start clicking your amygdala forward and you start accessing more and more of your frontal lobe's abilities, you get some instant gratification.
And this is sort of built into your brain to encourage you to further evolve into this cooperative circuit.
All right, here's one that you probably cannot answer.
Okay.
You're talking about the development of moving into your frontal lobe area and then developing these skills.
There appear to be a group of people who – Fascinating case.
Here's a guy who was standing at home one night talking on the telephone years ago and was struck by lightning.
Now, when I say struck by lightning, I mean really struck by lightning.
The metal nails in his shoes were welded to the floor, the nails in the floor.
He was on fire, literally caught on fire.
He clinically died.
And when he came out of it, he had a super development of all of the kinds of skills we're talking about, perhaps short of telekinesis, and I haven't even talked to him about that one.
But he had skills beyond belief, some of which he retains today, but they slowly began to fade as time went on after that incident.
So you've got somebody like Danion who acquired these skills through tragedy, and you've got other people who appear to be naturals, these natural psychic people that we talk about.
And then you've got apparently a third group that you suggest can be, all of us, who can train ourselves into this.
And since he wasn't aware of how it happened, you know, it was something he eventually reverted back to what we considered normal consciousness.
And that probably could, you know, explain why these sort of things faded.
His circuitry just went back to the way it was.
You know, you have other people who seem to have a, I got some email today from a lady and she said, well, how come some people can look at a book and memorize the whole book just by turning the pages, photographic memory, and some people can't?
Well, you know, it's like, well, why do some people, why are some people six feet tall and some people are, you know, three and a half feet tall?
It's just, you know, we all have a given sort of, some of us get some abilities and some of us get other abilities.
And there's no really rhyme or reason for any of that.
You just get what you get.
On the other hand, everyone can always, you know, you don't have to be born a piano player.
You can sit down and practice 10 minutes a day and learn how to play the piano.
And just about everyone can do that.
So in the same way, we can all develop these advanced, cooperative, creative, intelligent, paranormal skills if we practice them.
We may not be born with exceptional amounts.
We may not get struck by lightning.
But it looks like the research shows that we can develop these to useful levels.
My take on that is something along the lines of your left hemisphere and your right hemisphere talk to each other through those electrical neurons that you were talking about.
And occasionally, like a car, you might misfire a spark.
So the left-hand, say you're coming up on a town you know you've never been in, and as you go through the town, the right-hand part of your brain sees something and shoots it over to the left-hand side of the brain, but it misfires right then.
And so on the next time that it shoots across the neurons, the left side gets the information.
And it got the information a nanosecond late that time.
All right, Paula, I appreciate that, but I consider Neil's explanation to be far more elegant and consistent with what he's been saying all evening long.
I appreciate you, Paul.
Listen, we've got a break here at the bottom of the hour.
Neil Hankheipe will be right back.
Neil Slade is my guest.
I'm Art Bell.
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And this is Coast to Coast AM.
This is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nigh.
It is a fascinating topic, and I'm going to underscore a lot of what he's just told you with some hard science in a moment.
I want to cover this.
Art Phil, one of your board operators at 780 KOH in Reno.
At 5.57 p.m. this evening, a slow-moving red light was seen by many of our listeners in the sky south of Reno.
Sean, the evening board op, Brad, the afternoon board op, Jim Fannin, one of our reporters, and myself, the overnight board operator, also saw it.
It was incredibly bright and flashing at irregular intervals.
This light was also seen by the air traffic controllers at the Reno-Tahoe International Airport Tower, but they have no clue what it was.
An airport spokesman told me that it did not, in caps, not show up on their radar.
Strange, to be sure.
So that is a precise report from my affiliate in Reno.
I presume many of you have seen it.
I'm being flooded with reports.
Now, back to Neil Slade.
I've got in front of me something from the Electronic Telegraph, issue number 906, issued Sunday, 16 November 97.
An article entitled, Science Proves Mind's Power Over Matter, and I mentioned Princeton, so here we go.
Startling evidence that the human mind can exert paranormal control over objects has been uncovered by researchers whose findings have confounded even hardened skeptics.
Experiments conducted by a team at Princeton University are now being hailed as the most convincing demonstration yet of so-called psychokinesis, the supposed ability of thought to affect inanimate objects.
Until now, most claims for the existence of PK have rested largely on anecdotal evidence, polar dice, wrecking homes, demonstrations by stage performers like Uri Geller, who claim to bend forks and spoons by thought alone.
Since the early 80s, Professor Robert John, J-A-H-N, and colleagues of the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Project have been protecting a series of tightly controlled laboratory tests of PK to discover once and for all whether the phenomena exists or not.
The experiments focus on electronic random number generators, bingo, which produce an utterly unpredictable sequence of ones and zeros.
Subjects are asked to concentrate on a display showing the output of these generators and to try to change the numbers it produces.
Left to themselves, the devices will produce equal numbers of ones and zeros in the long run.
If PK exists, however, it should reveal itself in a bias away from chance, expectations as subjects will the output toward one way or the other.
Now, after 12 years of experiments involving more than 100 subjects in thousands of trials, Professor John and his team have uncovered astonishing evidence that the electronic devices can be controlled by thought.
The human subjects, listen now carefully, proved capable of altering the output of the devices so much that the chances of getting such a bias by fluke alone is calculated to be less than one in 1,000 billion.
Let me repeat that.
The chances of getting such a bias by fluke alone are calculated to be less than 1 in 1,000 billion.
Subjectively, people say when certain areas of their brain are stimulated, they feel as though they are witnessing God consciousness, and this is what they tell us.
Some, and I was just reading today, about ancient Taoist meditations that instructed the practitioner to concentrate on the pineal portion, the pineal gland, and that by doing so one would attain this highest communication with the Godhead or with cosmic consciousness.
So that's just been the feedback from people, you know, what they said that they have experienced as to whether or not we can validate the existence of God.
You might be suggesting that we can validate the existence of a non-physical entity in a physical universe, which is impossible.
But if you buy the fact that we have some precognitive abilities, then the explanation that Neil Slade gave is absolutely elegant.
In other words, we have, in effect, seen this in either a conscious or slightly subconscious way, and so when, in fact, we do see it, we recognize it vaguely as something we are familiar with, the feeling of deja vu.
Well, it seems as though scientists will always come up with an explanation that fits their agenda, and it may or may not be correct, and I certainly don't dismiss that explanation, but I think there's always room for, well, yeah, but maybe this is why it works, too.
So, you know, I'm not necessarily in disagreement with that other fellow's explanation.
I think there's many ways to interpret, especially in neurological phenomenon.
And so I offered my explanation.
And if you like it, okay.
And if you like the other guys, well, that's okay too.
Well, in that case, is it a very large stretch to imagine that what we call deja vu is simply a lighter form of precognition?
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No, I don't think it's a stretch.
I'm just saying that what the caller from Massachusetts said is Yes, the transference of from visualizing something or perceiving something to memory in such a fast time that it comes out in your memory so quickly that you can't perceive it.
Many of these paranormal abilities that we have seem to take place when our normal senses and our normal abilities are not accessible to us.
For example, the time when you were watching television, your normal senses, since you were watching television, had no way of telling you here was some clown that was going to bash your car.
So when you needed to get information other than through your normal senses, then that sense of precognition, those particular frontal lobe circuits came into play.
As far as people using telekinesis, you know, in the time that it takes Uri Geller to bend a spoon with his mind, you or I could bend a dozen with our fingers.
And this probably could explain the reason why we don't see so many examples of telekinesis from day to day, because we already have very accessible, very easily used methods of moving objects.
And it's almost silly to try to move a chair with our mind when all we have to do is pick it up and move it with our hands.
And the times when we do see examples of telekinesis, it's probably on much more subtle levels, such as you were giving the example of electronic random numbers being changed by a thought process and things like that.
We can't move those electronic numbers with our fingers.
There's no really way to get in that machine and do that.
So this is where perhaps our mind gets in a place where we can't get into the screen with our fingers.
I have two books available, but the one I would really suggest to your listeners that they start out with is a book entitled Have Fun.
And I took all my 23 years of teaching experience and my 11 years of brain experience and all my college education, and I tried to come up with my own unified field theory for doing things and turning on the frontal lobes.
And what I came up with was this single, simple thought, have fun.
And if one can train oneself to have fun, one can keep the frontal lobes turned on and stay clicked out of the negative experience of the reptile brain.
And your listeners can simply send me a check or a money order for 1095, and I'll give you the address if they're out of Colorado.
Send that 1095 to box, to send it to Neil Slade, box 6799, Denver, Colorado, 80206.
And we'll get you started into turning on more and more of your frontal lobe's advanced abilities, and you will truly have more and more fun in your daily job and in your relationships.
And you'll start to play around with your paranormal stuff.
Or barring that, they can also go to my website, www.artbell.com, and pop over to your website by scrolling down to Neil Slade's name and clicking on that.
All right, tomorrow night, his condition allowing, we are going to have Daniel Brinkley here.
And he will be here in the second hour of The program.
Daniel Brinkley.
Again, though, as you know, he is recovering from a very serious condition, which you'll hear more about tomorrow night.
And his health allowing, he will be with us tomorrow evening.
I would like to remind you that I have two books.
Actually, now, I'm sorry to say, just one book.
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Well, it's sold out.
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I'm Art Bell.
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This is Coast to Coast A.M. from the Kingdom of Nigh with Art Bell.
And as I did at the beginning of the program, I would like to make a request for help from my audience.
And in due course, I will explain to you why I am doing this.
There is apparently a program run by somebody named Ted Gunderson on something called a Marinet, which transmits on Galaxy 1, some transponder, I'm not sure which one, on Galaxy 1, and is broadcast as well on shortwave.
And there was a program yesterday with a guest named Dave, and I'm searching for anybody who has an audio-taped recording of this program.
You would be doing me a very great favor if you would contact me and we can make arrangements to get that tape if you happen to have it.
I would appreciate an immediate communication from you.
And you may do this in a number of ways.
You can email me at artbell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, lowercase at aol.com.
That's artbell at aol.com.
You may fax me at Area Code 702-727-8499.
702-727-8499.
Or if you, failing those two possibilities, you can call my network in the morning at Area Code 541-664-8829.
That's Area Code 541-664-8829.
And again, we're searching for an audio tape copy of a program done yesterday on something called the Amerinet Network or whatever it is, broadcast on Galaxy 1, a program with Ted Gunderson and somebody named Dave.
And so if you happen to have a copy of that or access to it, you would be doing me a large favor by getting it to me in one of the above prescribed ways.
I heard something interesting on the shortwave radio yesterday, and I don't know if this is kind of what you were interested in, but they were talking about the March 13th Phoenix lights.
Well, what I said was that a hell of a lot of what's going on back in Washington right now is simply irrelevant to our lives.
You know, a lot of what they're arguing about and doing meaningless to us.
Meaningless.
On the other hand, when a story, thank you very much, like the one that we covered in the first hour with Chris Ruddy comes along, it demands attention.
The funny part of it is that if you heard that first hour, I don't think there would be much attention at all except for the way they have reacted.
X-rays destroyed.
X-rays missing.
Lieutenant Colonel talks.
Lieutenant Colonel gets put under virtual house arrest.
Another Lieutenant Colonel gets so angry at what has happened that he joins the first Lieutenant Colonel in telling this story.
You know, that is a potential, or to me, it's an indication of the kind of stonewalling that is to hide something.
Something very potentially serious.
Potentially even a capital crime.
Now, it may not be that, but their reaction is certainly very, very suspicious, isn't it?
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi, Ark.
This is Janina in Chicago.
Hi, Darrell.
Hi.
I have a question or a comment about Neil's theory, and I also had a question for you regarding Father Malachi Martin.
Hi.
I want to sort of extend what people were saying about thinking that these psychic abilities really still can be used for evil.
And by the way, I'm not any kind of right-wing person.
But anyway, what about those people who purport to practice black magic in the context of the victim, as it were, not being aware that anything is being done, so that the power of suggestion isn't coming into play there?
I disagree with Neil in that area, and I think that these things are powers that may be developed and then used for good or bad.
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Well, and then, and now this comment kind of goes along with my next question.
If you're going to accept the possibility of spiritual evolution through reincarnation, it would seem that one of the things that we are meant to do is learn sort of right action and discrimination, and a lot of that is through mistakes, and it would seem that it would be, that would apply to the metaphysical as well as the physical level.
So, you know, if you're saying, you see what I'm saying?
Right.
So that if you're saying that none of this could happen unless you're doing good, that sort of mixes the whole karma and spiritual evolution angle as a learning process.
My other question, I heard of Nalachai Martin for the first time when he was on your show this week.
I was wondering if you ever had a chance to ask him, he said, of course, that he does not believe in reincarnation.
And did you ever get a chance to ask him whether he is taking that position solely because that is the current position of the Catholic Church or whether he sort of feels that prayer is sort of a revelatory experience for him and that's kind of direct information that he's gotten?
Sure, I have asked him any number of times, thank you, whether he disagrees with something or another with regard to church doctrine, and the answer in many cases has been yes.
I have never tested his personal belief with regard to reincarnation against the church position, but of course there will be yet another interview without a doubt with Malachi Martin, and I would be glad to do that for you.
I just want to call and officially apologize the other night to you and Peter Davenport for saying what I did about him not possibly being a governmental wild black project operative.
And that's why I was getting the busy signal all well wouldn't you wouldn't you think that it was kind of a leap from having A problem with your phone to accusing him of being a disinformation agent just because you couldn't get through.
That is the exact feeling that that particular substance induced in people.
I mean, a wide variety of people could get together and they would all have that same feeling of closeness, of wanting to relate with the other people.
It was, you didn't even feel drunk, high, anything like that.
It was just this major feeling of connecting with other people.
And so all I'm saying is I really think that non governmental groups or doctors or research groups or whatever should be allowed to study all the different avenues of processes or ways that people in society can move more towards that kind of group consciousness,
that frame of mind where people feel connected to each other and want to help each other.
And I'm telling you, I mean, it is absolutely real.
And what he's talking about is a chemical path to achieve what Neil Slade was talking about doing mentally, what originally Neil Slade talked about doing with electrical probes and stimulation.
This caller talks about the pharmacology angle, and I don't rule that out either.
It just seems to me that if you're going to experiment, the safest, clearest beginning that you could make would be the one described by Neil Slade, and I absolutely don't rule that out.
The only problem I had with his entire presentation was his apparent insistence that it could not be used, this power once acquired, for less than fully ethical or moral reasons.
I have great doubts about that.
It may well be that an ethical, moral person could not imagine that, but like any power, I think it could be wielded in many directions.
Okay, I'll look for your call, and the moment I hear from you and people like you that fidgets are arriving, then Mr. Fidget and I will again communicate.
I've backed you a few times about psychic healing.
Yes.
And I don't know if you had seen them or not.
I'm sure I did.
Okay, but what I want to do is just give a couple examples that people can test themselves on.
And one of them, I'd like to give an analogy here that we've all experienced when we were children and stuff in school, is where we felt someone was staring at us.
I have a related experience to what he talked about, and that is that for about 20 years, off and on, I've loved to play blackjack.
And it's not a machine, you know, it's people.
And I've found that when I'm in the right mood, I've had incredible, incredible streaks of winning hands, you know, 20, 30 at a time.
And I've always wondered, how did I do that, you know, and tried to recreate that.
And I've been able to do it sometimes.
You know, I actually have some control over it.
And it's got a lot to do with being in a good mood and not being too surprised when you get four 21s in a row and things like that.
Most of the other people at the table, of course, are just unbelievable.
They can't believe it.
I've had dealers go, it's on 321, you know, and create a ruckus, actually.
That was just one thing.
And I think that if you contact that part of your brain or you're using that part of your brain, I think you actually change reality because those cards aren't the machine.
Well, anyways, I was listening to the show, and what I was noticing is that there is a little thought of mine about pieces missing in the whole concept that you were talking about on making things occur with your thoughts and stuff.
And that is the doubts that we have programmed in our minds throughout our entire lives or the things that kind of creep in.
That we are conditioned with the noise and the demands of modern society, work, marriages, families, things that go wrong, pipes to fix, the everyday things of life, that we rarely move into a mode where we can begin to develop these things.
And I'm just going to say something here real quick.
I remember like a couple years ago, you had this one guy on there that you were interviewing who said that he lived with Bigfoots, how they're interdimensional, how he's seen one doing CPR before, and cameras don't work on them because of radioactive backup.
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And it was more of like a real fun, fun show to listen to.
What I mean to ask you is, how do you know that what you are intuitively feeling is real as opposed to something that you're cooking up in your own mind?
unidentified
There's much, much, much too much scientific evidence to prove it.
Well, listen, I appreciate your call, but I really object to the presentation of something as fact.
I'm willing to consider anything.
But when you say, I've got scientific evidence that proves it, and I say, okay, for example, what?
And then you present a theory rather than a fact, I begin to have a problem with that.
I thought the man who discussed, my guest who discussed that theory of evolution was absolutely fascinating.
Do I embrace that automatically as fact and claim scientific evidence for it?
No, I do not.
And so I sort of object to the way you approach this call.
If you want to call and say something is a theory and you want to present it as that, then we've got common ground to talk.
If you call and say, my theory is fact and proven scientifically, and then I ask you for the science that you just said, and what I get is a theory, then we part our ways.
No, well, we laid it out over a period of three hours.
So, no.
Well, let me see.
Could I do it in a nutshell?
Basically, Neil Slade described a mental way for you to turn on the area of your brain that allows things like telekinesis, telepathy, those sorts of things, which Princeton University, by the way, has, I believe, and they believe, proven beyond any shadow of a doubt to be true, that our brains can do these things.
And Neil Slade simply came up with a way for you without invasive surgery or something like that to be able to flip the switch that allows you to enter those areas.
That's best I can do in a nutshell.
First time caller line, you're on here.
Hi.
unidentified
Oh, I'd like to relate an experience that I had when Lee R. Harvey Oswald got shot.
This has been an experience that I've related to very few people, but I was about 18 miles from my home, and I went to work on a Sunday morning and doing a lot of extra work preparing for Monday.
And I had the radio on, and I heard a news flash that they were going to release Lee Harvey Oswald from the jail and transfer him.
Well, that would be a case, sir, of thank you, precognition.
And yes, these things are real.
I too, as I explained in some painful detail earlier, have had something like that occur to me, so they are real.
The question is, how do we actually access these areas?
How do we promote these abilities?
And I think Neil Slade is on to something.
AR, check out CNN Headline News for a rather disturbing report about dolphins off the coast of Florida having a rare and very deadly cancer, yet another bite on the butt from Mother Nature.
Are you feeling sometimes these days that the quickening is happening just a little too quickly for comfort?
Yes, Stephan, I am.
But that was the whole point of the book in the first place.
And it's a lot more than a book.
It's actually a process that is underway right now.
Dolphins, I will check into it.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hi.
Mike from Chicago on WLS.
Hi, Mike.
About Neil's the one thing that you had a problem with Neil's theory was that he claims it can only be used for good.
And I think the problem there is maybe just that Neil hasn't really investigated that area too much and certainly would like to believe that it's used for good because the power is basically good, but not in the human sense.
It may well be that Neil, or the good in Neil, could not imagine this to be used for anything evil.
unidentified
That's certainly the way that he would feel naturally.
But when you become enlightened, you discover that good and evil are more than just are simply man's concepts and that basically nature, the good in nature is the fact that it does things naturally.
And if you become enlightened, you tend not to care about doing evil things.
You don't necessarily care about doing good things.
You just care about doing enlightened things.
The only way that you could use this power for evil is if you became enlightened through the pursuit of, say, evil, like a magician or a witch or something like that.
Sure.
And then you discovered this power, you'll become enlightened, but still are on the track of evil.