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Dec. 9, 1997 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Chris Ruddy - Ron Brown Case - Neil Slade - The Brain

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning as the case may be.
		Wherever you are, this is Coast to Coast A.M., and I'm Art Bell.
		Well, back down the hatches, I've got Chris Ruddy coming on, and boy, has he got news for you.
		There's going to be a news conference tomorrow, and we're going to do a follow-up to what we reported the other day with regard to the ongoing investigation of the Ron Brown situation.
		You recall Colonel Cogswell.
		Well, we'll find out what happened to Colonel Cogswell, and guess what?
		Now, another U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel is coming forward.
		So this investigation goes up several notches.
		All of a sudden, we will get the details from Chris Ruddy in a very few moments.
		I would like to enlist the help of my audience, if possible, with something.
		We're trying to get a copy of a program, and it may be that one of you out there just happened to tape it.
		If so, we would like a copy of it.
		It is some kind of shortwave program that runs on something called Amerinet.
		I guess I'm not really sure what Amerinet is.
		I guess it's on satellite, some satellite channel, and runs on shortwave.
		And it would have been the Ted Gunderson show, or a show with Ted Gunderson and some guest named Dave.
		And we don't know a whole lot more about it than that, but if anybody out there happens to have a copy of that, if you happened to tape it, then please do one of the following things.
		Send me email immediately with your phone number at artbell at aol.com.
		That's artbell at aol.com.
		Failing that, fax me your phone number at area code 702-727-8499.
		That is my fax number, area code 702-727-8499.
		And again, what we're looking for is an audio tape copy of what ran on this Amerinet satellite channel earlier today on the Ted Gunderson Show with a guest named Dave.
		And if that will do it, let me give you our network's phone number.
		As a last resort, you could get hold of our network by calling area code 541-664-88929.
		That's 541-664-8829.
		I would very much appreciate the help of anybody out there who might have a copy of that program.
		Christopher Ruddy was here just a few days ago.
		Christopher Ruddy is an investigative reporter for the Pittsburgh Tribune Review.
		He has recently begun looking into the Ron Brown situation, and we will quickly review where we were up until today with Chris.
		Chris, welcome to the program.
unidentified		Well, Art, a pleasure being on with you again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I think you're in Washington, D.C. this night.
unidentified		I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you ever rest?
unidentified		I don't believe in it.
unidentified		It's against my religion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let us review very quickly what we said the other night for those who might have missed that program.
		In other words, bring us up to date to that night, if you would, please.
unidentified		Well, sure.
		I'll just go through the articles that I've written in the past two weeks.
		The first one was just questions about this crash where we were told originally when that plane went down with Ron Brown and 34 others on April 3rd, 1996, that the weather was terrible.
		It turned out the weather was quite good.
		The White House, the Pentagon, quickly said it was an accident before any Americans got to the scene.
		One wonders how they were able to reach that conclusion.
		The maintenance chief for the airport died mysteriously of a gunshot wound several days after the crash.
		The authorities immediately ruled suicide.
		We never really found out exactly what was wrong with the navigational beacons for the airport because the knowledge of those matters died or went with him and his untimely death.
		The basic or main report last week was that an Air Force Lieutenant Colonel named Steve Conswell, who was part of the Brown death investigation, and he's a forensic pathologist, an Armed Forces medical examiner.
		He was in Croatia at the crash site.
		And he has alleged that there was an apparent gunshot wound to the very top of Secretary Brown's head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A round, precisely a round hole approximately 45 caliber in size.
unidentified		Right.
		And that it was located and discovered at Dover Air Force Base when Brown's body and the others were brought back to the United States.
		And Coswell has alleged that there was additional evidence, in addition to this very circular hole, which is typical of a gunshot, the wound was inwardly beveling, which meant that it got wider as you went deeper, that the first x-ray showed fragments of a possible bullet or metallic items in the brain, that they destroyed the first x-ray.
		They recalibrated the x-ray machine to reduce these white materials that were in the brain and in the image.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		They never conducted an autopsy.
unidentified		And when that report came out, just discussing and detailing these items that Conswell had been discussing in professional lectures and seminars he had been giving to forensic pathologists around the country, to members of the FBI at the FBI Academy taking training courses.
		I reported that he had been making these allegations, and the world hit the fan for him.
		The Army and the military quickly stepped in, and he was told that he should not talk to the press.
		He was given a letter informing him he was under internal investigation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I should add for my audience that we still have photographs on my website of the hole in Ron Brown's head and of the x-rays that you're referring to, obviously not the kind of quality that you have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And again, folks, these x-rays show, I don't want to put words where they ought not be, Chris, so stop me, but a fragmenting of a bullet consistent, a fragmenting of metal consistent with the breakup of a bullet in his brain.
unidentified		And sometimes they refer to this as a lead snowstorm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A lead snowstorm.
unidentified		And in the left socket, Brown's left eye socket behind it you see maybe 20 or so white flecks.
		And that would be consistent with metal.
		They're a little bit small for a bullet, but they should have been investigated.
		In other words, the head should have been opened, and they should have examined what was in there.
		But they didn't.
		And in fact, what they've done here, now that the news has come out on this case, is they've turned the guns on Cogswell, put him under investigation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the day after we did the program, Chris, I began to hear that they were somehow silencing Cogswell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Precisely what steps did they take?
unidentified		Well, they informed him that he wasn't to talk to the press, the starters.
		Then they told him he couldn't leave his office during the workday.
		He couldn't speak to the press during the workday or anyone on a non-professional basis on his phone, that he couldn't leave his floor, that he essentially had to stay at his desk all day.
		And if he wanted permission to go to lunch, he needed authorization to do that.
		One of the officers there told me this was tantamount to house arrest.
		If you're told you have to stay in your home all day, that's house arrest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's house arrest.
unidentified		This was office arrest.
		And it's unheard of for a ranking military officer who really has done nothing wrong.
		And they are encouraged, the various medical examiners that worked at the Armed Forces Institute, to give these lectures on previous cases.
		And they use previous case materials and discuss the matters before the public.
		And it's in their interest to learn and develop lecture material.
		So instead of following up on the problems in the case, they turned on him.
		They also demanded that he turn over his slides and photographs.
		And on Friday, military police arrived at his office, one of whom escorted Lieutenant Colonel Cogswell to his home.
		What?
		Yeah, didn't you know about this?
		No.
		Oh, yeah.
		He was ordered to his home.
		Military escort.
		They told him they were going to search his home for the photos and slides.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute now.
		Well, of course, he's in the military.
		So I suppose UTMJ applies.
		But this was a civilian home off-base.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		And he went into his door, and he actually slammed the door on the military officer at his door.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good for him.
unidentified		And he said, I'm not letting you in here.
		I'll get the materials.
		And the military officer banging the door, you better let me in.
		He said, well, why should I let you in?
		You don't have a warrant.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And the military officer said, well, I'm actually concerned about your safety.
		I know you have firearms in there and I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.
		Can you imagine what's happening?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God.
unidentified		I guess they didn't want him ending up like Admiral Border, right?
		So Classwell opened the door and said, look, you can come in and watch me collect the material and I will hand it to you.
		And this is a high-ranking military officer, again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How high-ranking was the officer that came to his door, do you know?
unidentified		Military police officer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Military police.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Air Force Police.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What right do they have to do that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And under what auspices were they demanding this?
unidentified		They didn't present him with a warrant.
unidentified		Now, again, the military code is slightly different, but I still think that there are certain rights that even military personnel have about how their privacy can be invaded.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, why did Cogswell have the photographs?
		Let's go over that so everybody knows.
		Cogswell was in possession of photographs of the X-rays that we've been talking about.
		The picture, I guess, the photograph with the hole in Ron Brown's head.
unidentified		Sure.
		Well, the forensic pathologists typically go around the country at different conferences discussing the cases they've worked on.
		And it's a way for all of these experts to develop their own techniques and improve their work.
		And they have been encouraged at the Armed Forces, they're ordered to oftentimes to develop casework lectures.
		Sure.
		And they go back over the previous cases.
		And this was a lecture series that Cogswell had put together entitled Mistakes and Failures in Forensic Pathology.
		And this was, now Cogswell's been involved in over 100 crashes.
		He's 12 years a forensic pathologist.
		And he figured this was one of the more prominent cases.
		And here you had evidence of a possible homicide where there definitely needed to be an autopsy.
		And what he did was he got the photographs that are available.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And they had photographs of the x-rays.
unidentified		See, when they bring the body in, they put it under an x-ray machine and they take the x-rays.
unidentified		They take the x-rays, they put them up on a light box and analyze.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Everybody who's been in a doctor's office has seen that light box with x-rays hanging on it.
		Right.
unidentified		So the photographer that's doing the photography work there at Dover Air Force Base takes pictures of the X-rays.
		So now you have the X-rays and you have a photograph of the X-rays.
		Well, when they destroyed that first X-ray with the lead snowstorm, they forgot that they had already taken a picture of it.
		And so Cogswell asked the photography unit for a copy of the photo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And showing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		can I back up and ask why the x-ray was destroyed?
unidentified		Well, according to one of the people at Dover, it wasn't Cogswell, but I did speak to someone there, that there was a discussion and that they noted that there was a lead snowstorm.
unidentified		So they decided that they were going to destroy it, recalibrate the X-ray machine with a lower density to hide those materials.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But even right at that point, if that's true, that constitutes a crime.
unidentified		Well, you said it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't.
		Destruction of evidence would be, in other words, if they were specific.
		No, what you said was, you said that they noted there was a, quote, lead, what is it, snowstorm, thank you, and that they didn't want to have.
		Now, if it was really there and not just a byproduct or an artifact because sensitivity was set too high somehow or another, then the destruction of that would, under those circumstances, constitute a crime.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		However, what that means.
unidentified		They admit the first one was destroyed now.
		They're saying that what happened was there was a defect in the reusable X-ray cartridge.
		Ah.
		And they had to do several X-rays to...
		Whatever wrong with the cartridge.
		They said it had to deal with the cartridge.
		But I spoke to someone who was present who said that the discussion was the fact it was a lit snowstorm and they needed to retake it to remove that.
		I mean, it was as point-blank as that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if it was, then it would constitute a crime.
unidentified		Well, I think it's very, very serious, especially if there was something wrong here where, I mean, we don't know if this was a gunshot.
		We don't know if it was a gunshot, where it went and where it was fired before the plane crashed, during the crash, after the crash.
		I think the bottom line, what Kantlo is trying to point out, is here you have the Secretary of Commerce, high-ranking federal official, lying dead on a table in the examination, and you see what appears to be a gunshot wound.
		A very perfectly circular hole.
		Now you have an x-ray.
		The man needs an autopsy.
		Open the body up, do the autopsy, rule out the possibility of the bullet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It screams for an autopsy.
unidentified		Yeah, and they don't do it, and then instead they destroy the x-rays.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's draw the x-rays.
unidentified		And we later learn, Cogswell alleged...
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then how did Coswell come to be in possession of copies of those photographs?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And are those the only copies?
unidentified		Well, he came into possession because he asked for copies or slide negatives to be made of the original photographic negative relating to the Brown case.
		And so he had a file of X-rays, I'm sorry, slides, which he was showing at these conferences.
		That's how he came into contact with it.
		Now, what's happened is, maybe we're going a little fast forward here, is that now we have evidence that all the X-rays, the head X-rays, the ones that were on the light box, they're all missing.
		Even the ones they took.
		The new reusable cartridge.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying in a high-profile, even the new X-rays are missing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In this kind of high-profile case, how can that be?
unidentified		Well, that's a good question.
		And then we learn that the original negative negatives that were used to make copies for Cogswell, and I had gotten a copy, they are now missing.
		They have no head x-rays in the negatives.
		So what happens is Cogswell is treated terribly here for doing nothing.
		The Air Force doesn't, the Armed Force Institute of Pathology, they don't go after the original pathology doctor and start asking him what happened, the X-rays.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They go after Cogswell.
unidentified		They go after the messenger.
		Kill the messenger, right?
		Because the American public might find out something.
		And this all starts happening the day after the AP put it on the wire.
		So I think they were trying to keep Cogswell somewhat intimidated and hopefully intimidating others.
		But I think they overreached because that weekend I got a call from another lieutenant colonel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'll get into that in a moment.
		I have in front of me tonight a UPI story that just broke.
		I guess probably around, let's see, would have been around 1021 p.m. Eastern Time.
		Have you yet seen that?
unidentified		Well, I've heard about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I've got it here.
		So hang tight.
		Chris Ruddy is my guest.
		And now we have not one, but a second officer coming forward.
		This is an absolutely incredible story.
		And by the way, if you're in the press, please stand by because there is going to be a full-blown news conference later today in Washington, D.C. That's why Chris Ruddy is there now.
		And so what you're about to hear is a precursor to that.
		You're going to hear it before the press hears it in the morning.
		It's a Ron Brown case, and it is becoming ever more complicated by the moment.
		From the high desert, I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast A.M. This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Night.
unidentified		Now again, here's Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I interrupted my own announcement.
unidentified		Great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly who I am, and my guest, of course, is Chris Ruddy.
		And the story continues in a moment.
		All right, here it comes.
		United Press International Dateline, Pittsburgh, December 9, UPI.
		A published report says a second armed forces medical examiner says the corpse of Commerce Secretary Ron Brown seemed to have a bullet hole in the top of the head.
		The Pittsburgh Tribune Review reports, U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel David Haus, is it Haus?
		Haas, that's H-A-U-S-E, Says he saw an apparent bullet wound in the head supporting the account of forensic pathologist examiner Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Steve Coswell, according to the report.
		Haas, I guess it's Haas, actually, and Coswell, both members of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, participated in the agency's investigation of the April 96 military jet crash in which Brown and 34 others died.
		Now, it goes on and on and on.
		It's a long story.
		I'll stop there.
		But, Chris, why has this Lieutenant Colonel now, so late, decided to also come forward?
		What made that decision for him, do you think?
unidentified		Well, I think that the treatment of Cogswell hit a nerve in him.
		And the reason why he's never seen anything quite like this, he's been a career professional in pathology.
		He knows that the Armed Forces Institute has forever directed its members to discuss cases and to lecture on cases.
		And that's all Conswell has done in this case.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		He's discussed and detailed the problems in the Brown case.
unidentified		And this was never off limits.
		And I think, you know, when you're in the military that long and you see something, maybe there were a series of incidents, but apparently he was concerned enough about this that he came forward to me and said that, yeah, he had been present at Dover Air Force Base.
		He was two examination tables away from where Brown's body was when it was brought in.
		And he heard a commotion.
		They were all talking about a gunshot wound.
		And Colonel Haas went over, examined it, and said, yeah, it looked like a .45 caliber or something close to it, entrance wound at the very top of the head.
		Now let's remember and point out that Cogswell was in Croatia at the time the examination took place.
		He came back.
		He was told by the pathologist that did the autopsy, Dr. Bormley, that it may have been a gunshot or appeared to be a .45 caliber possible gunshot, but could he find a piece of the aircraft in Croatia that would explain it?
		And Coswell comes back and looks at the photos and finds out about the x-ray and is just baffled about what happened and the fact they didn't do an autopsy.
		Well, apparently Dr. Haas was actually there at Dover and he went over.
		Now Haas has been involved with autopsy since 1972.
		He's a Purple Heart winner from Vietnam, U.S. Army machine gunner.
		He was a police officer for a while.
		Then he went back into med school and the Army, became an officer, rose through the ranks.
		He was the chief combat surgeon for the Gulf War, medical examiner for armed forces in Germany.
		This guy knows gunshots.
		He's one of the authorities in the office.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, this is a big story, Chris.
		I've got to ask this, Chris.
		In a case such as this, now Ron Brown was a civilian.
		I'm not familiar with autopsy procedures, but wouldn't this be sufficient reason, no matter what the relatives might say with regard to an autopsy, to absolutely proceed without question?
unidentified		Well, certainly in the case of Brown, because Brown was a member of the cabinet.
		He wasn't a member of the military.
		But because he was a member of the cabinet, he's covered under what's known as the Presidential Assassination Statute, which gives the Armed Forces Institute essentially jurisdiction over the president and cabinet members.
		They're supposed to, if there's a suspicious death of the president, it's the Armed Forces Institute that is prepared to do this autopsy.
		In fact, some of them were preparing and thinking, you know, here we have a cabinet member.
		This is the first high-ranking suspicious death that we have to examine since the presidential assassination statute was put into effect in the 60s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And this was going to be the dry run for preparing for the death of a president under tragic or violent circumstances.
		And they screwed it up, apparently, or decided they weren't going to do the proper thing.
		And in fact, they didn't even bother doing an autopsy.
		And it's a very bizarre set of circumstances.
		But Haas, and I think that the point here, too, we have to underscore, you've been in the military.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You're an Air Force guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Air Force medic, actually.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		But you know, career military officers don't do this unless they feel an urgent, pressing need.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I absolutely agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This officer, in fact, both officers really knew what they were risking.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		And I think what their words indicate are far more than what they're even saying.
		And people say, well, what are they getting so excited about?
		There's a hole in the head.
		There was a plane crash.
		These are trained pathologists.
		They've worked in hundreds of plane crashes.
		They have never seen a wound like this before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, even all of that aside, the treatment of Cogswell since, and now the second officer coming forward, all of this, the missing x-rays, all of this would lead one to be suspicious no matter what.
unidentified		Well, Haas's job last week, and I think this played into why he called me, was he went through the case file for Brown, and they laid out the original negative film in the case file.
		So these were the sort of the x-rays that were put up in the light box, or they were the original negatives from that.
		And they examine it, and he found that indeed there were no head x-rays left.
		They were all gone.
		He went into the safe of the photography department, and he was to inventory all the photo negatives.
		They're missing all of the head photo negatives, the x-rays.
		They're gone.
		So he has now confirmed what Conswell was saying, that the X-rays have all disappeared.
		And I think it really underscored in his mind, you know, why is Conswell being hung out to dry?
		He had nothing to do with the missing X-rays.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he got, he really, it sounds to me like he just got pissed off when he heard what was happening to Conswell.
unidentified		I think so, but it would be unfair for me as a reporter to characterize it that way.
		I think he's a professional, and I think that there is a concern here that he said that there needed to be an autopsy.
		Now, he didn't examine the x-rays, Haas.
		He said that he left it up to the pathologist that did, and it's usually hard not to miss a 45.
		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Chris, of the photographs that you've got of the x-rays, have you yet had an opportunity to let a pathologist independently look at them?
unidentified		Well, I've had not only a pathologist, a former Army wound ballistics expert to look at it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And?
unidentified		Well, it's hard to rule it, a bullet.
		There is something there.
		There's flexive possible metal.
		Could be something.
		They're a little bit small for what you would typically expect for a gunshot.
		Cogswell says that a handgunshot.
		But still, you'd have to open up the head to find out what it is.
		You don't destroy the x-ray.
		The other thing is, and this is really the key point, the pathologist that did the examination said it was definitely not a gunshot because, he said, the bone in the skull, yes, there was a circular hole.
		Yes, it looked like a gunshot wound, but he noticed that the bone of the skull did not break into the brain, that you couldn't see the brain, that all it had done was whatever hit the head had just depressed the skull in a little bit, indented it, maybe we would say.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		So that doesn't, he said it didn't go anywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but that's rather inconsistent with x-rays showing a lead, a whole bunch of lead or a whole bunch of metal inside the head.
unidentified		Well, not only that, today we published another x-ray, a side x-ray of Falstaff Brown's head in the Tribune Review.
unidentified		And what it shows is that this bone plug, as the object came in, actually did push into the brain and under the skull.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you say that photograph is up there now?
unidentified		It's in the Tribune Review today, so it should be accessible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you would give us permission to put it on our website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Keith, go get it.
unidentified		And if you could hook it up to your website, that would be great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably within the next 10 minutes.
unidentified		And here's the other thing.
		We have what Gormley didn't know when he was telling me this, and he said to me, if you could see the brain and it did go into the brain, then that would be a problem.
		That would be really bad.
		But what he didn't know at the time was that I had the x-rays or photocopy, photo negatives of them or photographs of them, and that I had the photograph of the wound, the hole.
		And in the bullet hole, or the apparent bullet hole, you can see visible brain.
		And Cogswell says you can see visible brain.
		He says the x-ray shows.
		I took it to independent experts.
		They all said you can see the brain, and it's clear that that penetrated the skull.
		And what's incredible now is that Lieutenant Colonel Haasett, he personally examined it at the site, and all he could see was the brain.
		It cut right through whatever it was.
		And you don't get a perfectly cylindrical hole, a perfect circle like that, unless it's something of extremely high velocity, much higher than you would get in a plane crash.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, asking, okay, on the one hand, they're saying the bullet didn't penetrate, but on the other hand, we've got the x-rays showing the fragments in the brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you were to ask a pathologist, what kind of condition would a person be in who suffered the trauma shown in this picture of an X-ray internally in the brain, what kind of answer would you get?
unidentified		Well, I think what a pathologist would like to see is larger fragments, typically for a bullet.
		They'd also like to open it up and find out what is there.
		Sometimes there are problems with the X-ray machines.
		One of the problems is the side X-ray was overexposed, so it's very hard to pick up if they're, because the side X-ray should sort of show, if the frontal X-ray is correct, that there are fragments in the head, the side X-ray should also show fragments.
		But other than the bone plug, it's hard to see anything in skull fractures and fracture lines in the skull because they overexposed that x-ray.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's go back to the language when they were all standing around the table.
		That seems critical to me, Chris.
		In other words, no matter whether he was shot or not shot, if they thought he had been shot, if at that moment with Brown on the table, they were concluding that there was lead in his brain, and they actually, can you tell me who uttered the words that we're going to have to destroy these?
unidentified		Well, I don't think anyone ever used the word, let's destroy the x-ray.
		But the initial one was destroyed.
		And I know right now I'm not printing, but I may have a story in the future.
		Who said that there was a Lead Snowstorm?
		And that's why it was replaced, certainly.
		But there is a witness there that did overhear that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where do we go from here with this, Chris?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do we exhume?
unidentified		Well, I think there really needs to be an exhumation.
		I don't know if anyone has the guts.
		There's a lot of people quaking in their boots over this story.
		And, you know, it's very clear-cut.
		It's not right-wing agenda.
		It's not anti-Bill Clinton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I don't frequently do it, but because I consider, frankly, an awful lot of the nonsense in Washington to be utterly irrelevant to the lives of most American people.
		But this is a horse of a different color.
		There's no question about it.
		I mean, this is very, very serious.
		And their reaction to it is what bothers me as much as anything else.
		There could be a dispute, of course, about an injury to the head that kind of looked like a bullet wound, but their reaction to this is not consistent with people who have nothing to fear.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And the actions of the investigators after they find this apparent bullet hole and the failure to do it on the missing x-rays.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not consistent with a professional at all.
unidentified		Right.
		And it just raises the red flag and possibilities of cover-up come to mind and things like that.
		I think it is very, very serious.
		And there's a big problem here that they're not going to get around.
		And there may have to be another autopsy, another autopsy.
		There wasn't a first one.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, a lot of people, some people, after you were on last time, faxed me incredulous, saying, why would anybody bother to shoot somebody who was about to die in a plane crash?
unidentified		Well, see, what people are doing is they're not handling this as an investigator would, which is first determine if there is a bullet and then try to figure out what happened.
		So it's not the job of someone sitting there after the fact to say, oh, it couldn't happen.
		We know there have been cases in this country where planes have gone down.
		They found bullet holes, where there was a struggle on the plane or terrorists or sabotage.
		There were several people on that plane that had handguns.
		Handguns were missing from the crash site afterwards.
		Really?
		There was, oh yeah, the first American rescuer on the scene noticed there was a handgun out of the holster, and he said it shouldn't have fallen out, that somebody had looted it and stolen it.
		People might have been fired.
		There could have been a firing of weapons after the crash.
		So certainly we shouldn't rule out any possibility here.
		We just have a bullet hole or a parent bullet hole in the head of someone that needs to be investigated.
		And without pointing the fingers at anyone and saying anyone murdered another person, you say there's a potential of homicide.
		Yes.
		And then you need to further investigate it.
		I've gotten a number of people have said to me, well, 45 or something similar, 40, if that's fired into your head, you have an exit wound, and there was no exit wound here.
		Well, remember where the bullet comes in.
		It comes in, put your finger at the very top of your head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay, at the very crown, apex of the head, they call it the vertex.
unidentified		If it was a bullet, it went straight in, down towards the neck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see what you're saying, sure.
unidentified		It could have gone anywhere in the body cavity.
		It wouldn't have flown out the right side of the face or the left side of the face.
		It wouldn't have blown apart the head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And there needed to be that.
		That's why the x-rays are so critical in a case like this.
		And as I'm going to discuss tomorrow, Koslov said there was an anomaly of something possibly metallic down in the pelvis area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the pelvis area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so in other words, obviously in the chest and the pelvis, somewhere a bone or a large portion of our lower anatomy could have stopped the bullet.
unidentified		Well, sure.
		I mean, the flesh and all of that does slow the bullet considerably.
		For it to get as far as the pelvis is very unusual.
		Usually it goes about 15 to 20 inches.
		So it should have been somewhere in the neck or chest or somewhere like that.
		It could also have exited the body and created a small exit wound out of an armpit or in the crotch or something like that.
		You have to look.
		And Cogswell claims that they didn't really look carefully.
		I don't think they wanted to find something they didn't want to find.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's astounding, Chris.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're going to have a press conference later today, Washington time.
unidentified		Where and when?
		Well, at 11.15 in the morning at the Willard Hotel downtown Washington.
		And basically what I'm going to do is show on videotape the various slides that Konslow has been showing on the Brown case and with it play a recording of an interview I did by telephone with him where he explained what the various images mean and indicate just as he would in one of his lectures.
		Now it's only open to members of the press that have credentials and no cameras are allowed and of course a lot of the photos are extremely graphic of the body and graphic crash scenes and so people should any press that are coming obviously discretion is advised.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right 1115 a.m.
		Washington D.C. at the Willard Hotel.
		Where is that Washington?
unidentified		Which is right down 14th and Pennsylvania.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay and this would be for credentialed press only.
unidentified		Right.
		And it would last about an hour, his lecture on my recording.
		And it basically lays out the evidence as he as he saw it and that seems to be confirmed now by a second lieutenant colonel in the Air Force.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, all right.
		We know what has happened to Cogswell so far.
		Nothing good.
		What about Haas?
		What kind of treatment has he received?
		Do you know?
unidentified		Well, I don't think anything immediate.
		I think they realize they went too far with Cogswell.
		And they're being careful now and a little bit cagey rather than blowing this thing up out of proportion in their mind or alerting the press.
		Too late.
		I think it is a little too late.
		But they basically, I understand they told Haas that he should have cleared the interview with the Public Affairs Office.
		They haven't said anything that we know of taking any administrative steps, but they could always do that later.
		They may be waiting.
		And obviously, there may be other people that will come forward in the next week or so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If somebody else wants to come forward, how do they get a hold of you?
unidentified		Well, they can call me in Pittsburgh at the Tribune Review, which is 412-834-1151.
		412-834-1151.
		And another neat way to get a hold of me, of course, is through my web page and to read these articles, which also I think we hook into your page, is www.ruddynews, r-u-ds and david, deez and davidy, ruddynews.com.
		And I might also, my publisher will be very happy, remind people that I have a book in bookstores now, not on this case, but it has a lot of parallels in a strange way, called The Strange Death of Vincent Foster about what I allege was a cover-up of the Vince Foster death.
		And there seems to be a lot of eerie similarities.
		Although in this case, you know, some people have said, well, why do you want to weaken your credibility claiming there's a bullet hole in Ron Brown's head and all of this?
		Well, in this case, it's even stronger than the Foster case because here we have the X-rays, the photos, and we have people that examine the body or in part of the Investigation ranking individuals saying there's a problem here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No question about it.
		There is a problem here.
		Chris, please give me a call after the press conference tomorrow.
		I'll let you know when happened.
		And thank you for being there.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll be there.
		Take care, Chris.
		That's Chris Ruddy.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast A.M. from the Kingdom of By with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be me.
		And coming up in a moment, we've got a fellow named Neil Slade.
		And oh my, what an interesting topic we're about to dive into.
		It's called the Frontal Lobes Handbook, and it's about our brains, one of the things about which we know least.
		So he'd be the guy.
		He's actually written two other books called Have Fun, Mind Music, and now the Frontal Lobes Handbook.
		So things like why we only use 10% or less of our brain.
		Why some people appear to be able to do things that other people can't, precognition, telepathy, clairvoyance, telekinesis, that sort of thing.
		Perhaps how you can do it.
unidentified		How our brain developed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the first topic, which is really intriguing, called Popping Your Fuddle Lobes, The Big Bang.
		No reference, The Last Hour.
		Our brains.
		Neil Slade, composer, musician, artist, author.
		His music, as a matter of fact, has been heard by millions in his PBS movie soundtrack for Still and as music for the Kodak United States Traveling Exhibition.
		He has given concert performances at places like the Gerald Ford Amphitheater, the U.S. Air Force Academy, a graduate in music and education.
		He's taught music and art for 23 years, was an assistant to brain and behavioral researcher and former NBC television personality TBA Lingo for 11 years.
		Slade also maintains an extensive World Wide Website, and you can get to it by going to my website right now.
		We had an absolutely shocking hour last night with, this night rather, last hour with Chris Ruddy with regard to the Ron Brown information.
		And those photographs are now on my website.
		All you've got to do is go down, for example, to Neil Slade's name in the guest area and click on his name on the link and you will go to Neil's website.
		So let us now go to Neil Slade.
		Neil, where are you?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I'm in Denver, Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Denver, welcome to the program.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Glad to have you.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It's a pleasure to be a part of one of the few dependably intelligent and imaginative talk show discussion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's certainly era.
		We're different, all right.
		I've got to start, I guess, at the beginning, and this must be the beginning.
		Discussion topics, you sent me a little list.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hopping your frontal lobes the big bang.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What in the world?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're going to talk about something here that's been a well-kept secret in this region.
		As you mentioned, I worked with behaviorist T.D. A. Lingo for over a decade.
		And he has received a fair amount of attention in the Rocky Mountain Press here about the work that he did for 35 years.
		And you are, in fact, the first nationally broadcast media person to break this story.
		So your listeners are in for a very unique experience tonight.
		I want to, right up front, make very clear that some of the things that we're going to talk about may seem very extraordinary.
		People may not believe upon hearing that they can turn on their own pre-existing circuits for extrasensory types of activities.
		They may not believe at first that they can easily communicate with alternative reality entities.
		But, you know, I'm really a down-to-earth person.
		I still continue to teach grade school kids.
		I've taught in the public schools.
		I teach privately.
		So, you know, I'm not about to make claims that are, you know, ridiculous.
		These have been the things that I will describe have been my own personal experience, as well as the experiences of hundreds of people who have been a part of the brain lab here in Colorado, Lingo's Brain Lab.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		You and I talked briefly, and I think you may have heard a segment or I described a segment to you.
		We were talking about precognition.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I've had one thing in my entire life happen to me, only one, just one, but it was a doozy.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I think I've told my audience about it, and I don't want to be repetitive, but I'll briefly give the explanation, okay?
		Here I was in Santa Barbara working in radio at the time for KDB in Santa Barbara, as a matter of fact, at that time, and not my present affiliate, I ought to add.
		And I had come home after work at the radio station, and I was sitting on the couch in a garden-type apartment.
		Now, you may be familiar with the type apartments that you, they have large sliding glass doors that go out to a little balcony-type affair.
		And we had that, and we were on the ground floor.
		And I parked my car in front of, around the sidewalk, you know up to the sidewalk right in front of my window it seemed a logical place a it was the closest to my residence I could just go up a little walkway second obviously having it close by was good for a number of reasons so I that's where I parked and I parked I came home sat down watched TV and I was in the middle of the evening news consuming it as usual and
		this wave came over me.
unidentified		Relaxing?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Kind of a relaxed state?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure, as compared to being at work or the buzz of the day, whatever.
		I'm relaxing watching the news, as relaxing as I can be.
		It was like ocean waves crashing over my mind, telling me something was wrong with something terribly was wrong with my car.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Incidentally, do you recall what portion of your head you felt these sensations?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Out of curiosity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what I can recall is that it was an all-consuming feeling.
		In other words, I couldn't say, you know, it was the upper right hand part of the brain or anything.
		This thing was like it was washing over the totality of me.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Over the top of your head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Over the totality of me.
		Now, I don't know, just in waves over my whole body.
		I wouldn't even have said my head, frankly, over my whole body, just washing over me.
		And it was saying something's wrong.
		And I uttered something that I can't repeat here because I was annoyed.
		And I walked over, and I pulled the curtains, and I looked at my car.
unidentified		And it was cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was fine.
		I was very proud of it.
		It was a 428 Cobra Jet.
		You know, it was one of those days.
		I had a big car.
		And it was fine.
		And so I said, this is dumb.
		And I went back, and I sat down again, and again began to watch the news.
		And immediately, no time lapse, immediately, here it comes again, in wave after wave after wave, causing me to compulsively get up again, utter something else I can't repeat, go back over, spread.
		This time, I pulled the curtains apart, and I stood there, and I looked at my car.
		It was fine.
		Well, three or four seconds later, here comes a fellow walking from my building, which held many apartments, down the walkway that I described, walked, just walked down in front of my car, walked around, got in his car, which was parked directly in front of my car, put it in reverse, and slammed into my car.
		I was so shaken, not by the occurrence of my car being hit, but by the fact that I had known about this, that I fell to my knees.
		I was that actually, I was in shock, shaken very badly.
		I had enough sense to get up, and to open up the sliding glass door, and yell at, hey, I saw that, I've got your license number.
		and he said, oh, I'm stopping, I'm stopping, and it was no big deal, but there is no question about it.
		I knew that was, I knew something was going to happen.
		I didn't know that was going to happen, but I knew something was going to happen to my car.
		It wasn't ambiguous.
		I couldn't ignore it.
		I've never had it before.
		I've never had it since, and I did nothing to bring it on.
		It's like it came out of the blue, and it went away, and it's never come back.
		What happened to me?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		very interesting well what happened to you you is you accidentally access the pre-existing circuits in your frontal lobes or that part of your brain which is able to perceive future events.
		And at this particular time, since it was the first time it happened to you, it was shocking.
		You didn't know really, I mean, you were just taken aback by it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Taken aback is a mild phrase.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they put me on my knees, and I don't go on my knees easily.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		What is interesting is that you didn't force this mental situation.
		It just happened to you by accident.
		And that you didn't do anything extraordinary to cause it to happen.
		You just slipped into this particular frame of mind.
		And at the Brain Lab, we've come up for a pretty good explanation of why this happens and how any ordinary person can begin to experience this kind of thing routinely.
		And we'll get into that.
		What's important to start out with is to understand how the brain is basically put together.
		And we'll be putting together a puzzle, as it were.
		And each piece of the puzzle will eventually form a whole, and then you will see for yourself and understand how and why that happened and how you can regularly make use of that technical part of your brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's do it.
		I understand that we only use, it is 10% or less of our brain.
		Is that a myth?
		Is that true?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		That's a very generous estimate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Scientists have come to the conclusion that the, and we're talking about neurophysiologists, doctors, people across the globe dedicate their lives to understanding the brain.
		Now, myself, I'm primarily a musician teacher, so I don't claim to be a neurophysiologist, but I have gathered over many years certain relevant facts that have helped me and that I'll share with you and your audience.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So why were you working with TDA Lingo, who is a behavioral researcher, a brain behavioral researcher?
		Why were you working with him?
		How do you go from music to that?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is how it came about.
		We have a wonderful television station here in Denver, Channel 12, and it shows all kinds of programming that not even our regular PBS station would touch.
		And one evening, they were showing a movie.
		And the movie started out, well I tuned on in the middle of the program and it was people talking, they were sitting in the mountains next to log cabins and up in the trees and it was obvious from the movie that they were very, they were like in the wilderness.
		And they were talking about their brain and all these fantastic experiences that they were having.
		and one woman was relating how one day she came outside of her tent and she was looking at the arm, and suddenly she could see inside the cells of her arm, and she could perceive the corpuscles moving in and out of the veins of her arm, and she was seen with a microscopic type of vision.
		And another person was relating Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There are people who claim they can diagnose and know what's wrong with another.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, one of my guests coming up tomorrow night is a fellow named Danien Brinkley.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Daniel can look at you, touch you, touch an article that has come from you, and know your health condition.
		He can tell you precisely what's wrong with you.
		Is that the kind of talent you were just describing?
		Now, I can understand, for example, if you could look inside your arm and you could see its function and inner as you would with an x-ray or MRI or in this case, something apparently even better, such a diagnosis would be entirely possible.
		Is that the kind of a talent or ability that somebody like Daniel Brinkley or somebody like that?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It's very interesting that he has this ability and he's in the business of healing people.
		Part of the brain that allows us these wonderful psychic, unusual powers that are out of the ordinary, the telepathy and the precognition.
		These powers are associated with that part of the brain which is the most evolutionarily advanced part of our brain, which is also, not incidentally, associated with cooperative behaviors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Cooperative behaviors.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Cooperative behaviors.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Many times people say, well, you know, if you've got precognition, why don't you go pick the lotto numbers and win a million dollars?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's a really good question.
		Now, in my case, I couldn't repeat it.
		It's never happened again.
		Maybe it never will in my life.
		I don't know.
		But if I could apply that power, then, yeah, why not call it up at will and pick the lotto winner?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		As it turns out, I know someone who lives near Las Vegas.
		And they work at a community service organization, a nonprofit organization that helps people in the community.
		They're not a profitable organization, but they do need funds.
		And it turns out that this woman is psychic.
		And whenever the organization needs funds, she drives into Las Vegas and goes around to various casinos, and she wins the money that the organization needs to survive and help the community.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really know that to be true.
unidentified		Yes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And the Pinos are very familiar with this woman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know what games she plays?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		This was reported to me many years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am in Nevada, and it is true, Neil.
		I can tell you there is a list.
		There's a very specific list of people that, for various reasons, are not allowed in casinos, period.
		It's a blacklist.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have it here in Nevada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if she's on that list.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		No, as a matter of fact, the casino owners know her and they know the work that she does.
		And they do, in fact, allow her to come in with her winnings.
		And when she wins the money that she needs for that particular month or month for the community, then she leaves.
		She isn't greedy.
		She doesn't win the money for her own personal needs.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		This is incredible.
		I want you to hold on.
		Neil Slade is my guest, and we're going to take a break here and be right back.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure is.
		Neil Slade is my guest.
		One of my favorite areas of examination.
		Things that I know we can do, but I can't prove.
		The story I told you about myself is absolutely, unequivocally true.
		Now, what it was, I don't know.
		I think we've got the fellow who's about to tell us.
		You told us the story of the lady in Las Vegas who, for good reasons, goes and wins money at the casinos.
		They know that she's doing something.
		Now, casinos in Las Vegas watch for card counters.
		They watch for all kinds of people who might be trying to jip them out of money.
		But there would be no apparent, at least with the kind of talent you're talking about that this lady has, there would be no apparent thing they could pin on her if they could call her a card counter if she was playing cards.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know what they do?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		When someone starts winning an extraordinary amount of money for whatever reason, they stop these people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, they do a number of things.
		They change dealers.
		Boom, like that.
		You know, if you're winning a lot of money, they'll change dealers.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but they're aware of when someone is winning a lot of money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They'll go, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet they're on.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, it doesn't go unnoticed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They've got what's called a pit boss sitting there watching everything that's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And so if you're winning a lot of money, you bet they're on you like flies on horseback.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I think what goes on is that they know that the work that this woman is doing in the community.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well that brings us to an obvious question.
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The talent is the talent or is it?
		I have asked other people who claim to have this talent.
		And they tell you the talent for, for example, doing what that lady did with Las Vegas.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Paranormal type of abilities in general.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the typical response is always, well, then give us the winning stilado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so they tell me if you use this talent for greedy or wrong reasons, that it doesn't work.
unidentified		Absolutely.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Oh, and that is so clear.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I was going to save this part of the discussion until later, but we can go into it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's important, Neil, because the talent ought to be the talent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why is it restricted to the doing of good?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I think we do have to touch a little bit about how the brain is basically constructed.
unidentified		Okay.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		So let's start there.
unidentified		Sure.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Now, this Dr. Paul McLean worked for many years at NIM, the National Institute of Mental Health, and he then went on to his own laboratory of brain research that he set up for his own.
		And what he came up with was a new way of looking at the brain.
		And let's see what my little date, this is the 1952-ish or so.
		And Dr. Paul McLean realized that the human brain is a tri-un brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does that mean?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		That means three tri-brains in one, oon, tri-un.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It is a reptilian brain core surrounded by another layer which is called the mammal brain, further surrounded by another mammal, like dogs and cats, M-A-M-M-A-L.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mammal.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Surrounded by another area called the primate brain.
		Three layers.
		A good analogy for the human triune brain construction is an apple.
		Now, if you think of the way an apple is put together, at the very inside you've got these hard seeds.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
		That could be compared to the reptilian brain core that a human has.
		If we look at our spine, it comes up and it goes right into the center of the brain.
		It's the innermost part.
		Then around a hard seed with an apple, we've got a pulpy type of core, which takes up, say, another 10% of the brain.
		The seeds are very tiny, but the core makes up maybe 10% of that bulk there.
		Now, around the reptilian spinal cord end, knobby end of our brain, we have this mammal brain.
		And then we can think of the fruity part of the apple and the final outside shiny coat of the apple as the primate brain.
		And so in our brain, around this reptilian mammal core, we have the vast bulk of the brain, the gray matter and the white matter, the part of the brain that's all wrinkly, that when we see in a brain, this is what we see.
		So the human brain is constructed in this way like an apple.
		And each one of these sections of our brain has a specific function.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you agree, as I listen to you talk about this, it sounds as though you're talking about what would be the process of evolution?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
		I don't have the number of years memorized, but many, many eons ago, the reptiles first evolved on the planet.
		And the fish came out of the ocean, if you are to believe in evolution.
		And the reptiles populated the planet.
		Now, this part, these animals, and if we look at reptiles that exist today, the reptile brain computes a certain type of behavior and consciousness.
		And that type of behavior is 100% competitive consciousness.
unidentified		Okay?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		The reptile...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Competitive consciousness.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		If you look at a reptilian behavior, reptiles are solely competitive.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		They do not exhibit cooperative competitive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're sort of referring to the fight or flight basic instinct.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Reptile brains in reptiles and in humans, this portion of our brain, computes what scientists refer to as the four Fs of behavior.
		Fighting, fleeing, feeding, and reproduction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's an R. Well, this is a family radio thing.
		Oh, thank you very much.
		Thank you.
		Thank you, Neil.
unidentified		Thank you.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		So these are the four F's.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		The reptile brain computes me, me, me type of consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		They are only concerned with self-preservation and survival.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And this would have been the first evolution.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		This was right.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		The first reptiles, this is all, this is how they survived.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Now listen, folks, we are intentionally setting Adam and Eve and all that goes with aside for a moment and working with evolution.
		Yes.
		All right.
		The second then portion of the brain, or next portion of evolution, would be the mammal.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		The mammal brain.
		Correct.
		Now, as reptiles evolved into more complicated creatures, we saw birds, we saw little small mammals and mice, and this eventually evolved into what we recognize as dogs and cats now.
		Now along with the rest of the body that evolved, the brain also evolved.
		And so we have a new layer that was built over the reptilian brain, and it added on additional behaviors.
		And these behaviors that we find now in mammals, but absent in the earlier reptiles, are behaviors of bringing up the young, of nurturing young.
		All of a sudden we have animals that are caring for others of their species.
		Now, when reptiles reproduce, they lay their eggs and they split.
		Kids, you're on your own.
unidentified		And we can even use the You need to say no more.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		You can then move on to look at dogs and cats and other mammals add on social behaviors to the basic reptilian survival skills.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That seems clear and logical.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Whereas reptiles were only concerned with the self, now mammals all of a sudden, well, they don't discard the reptilian behaviors, but they add on another 50% of cooperative consciousness.
		If you look at your dog or cat at home, you know, at least half of the time they're happy to see you.
		They jump into your lap.
		They look you in the face when you give them food.
		And mammals add play behavior.
		Of course, if you give them a bone and then you try to take the bone away, what happens?
		They suddenly revert into the competitive reptilian behavior.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in some cases.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And in some cases, certainly.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		If you were to, you know, in domesticated animals, this may not be necessarily the case.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even with a domesticated animal, if you seriously began to compromise its food supply and it saw you taking its food, it would eventually take a piece out of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's no question about it.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		There's no logic involved with mammals.
		And they, you know, mammals sort of click between the survival reptilian me, me, me consciousness and the cooperative consciousness, sort of like a light switch that's flicking back and forth in the wind, just depending on its environment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		That will determine whether their behavior is cooperative, play, nurturing, or whether it's competitive reptilian consciousness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Now we've taken care of the reptiles and the mammals.
		Now, 10 million years later, after the mammals first began to develop, the primates developed.
		And along with this, the neocortex, as it's called, the primate brain, was a large addition to the brain.
		And eventually we see Neanderthals and Homo sapiens evolve and the brain gets larger and larger.
		And what this is, is a further development and refinement of mammal behaviors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's a pretty big jump.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It's a pretty big jump.
		What's interesting is when you get to human beings, you have even further development of this primate brain, and the whole one-third bulk of the brain, which we have come to known as the frontal lobes, develops.
		Now, if you look at this frontal lobe area on dogs or cats, it makes up immediately 5% of the brain.
		If you go to monkeys and apes, all of a sudden it jumps to 17% of the brain.
		But once you get to humans and dolphins, the very high mammals like dolphins and whales, this frontal lobe area jumps to 29% of the neocortex.
		And what we have realized is that behaviors that we have recognized as purely human behaviors, behaviors such as language, abstract thought, planning, these are a result of this new additional parts of the brain that evolve primarily for humans.
		It's the frontal lobes.
		And I've come up with a little, I think the word is anagram, where you have a word that stands for a series of other things.
		I don't know if you remember the show Beanie and Cecil, but there used to be a cartoon, and this little kid used to wear this beanie, and he would fly all over the place.
		So you can use the word Cecil, C-I-C-I-L, to describe the functions of this most advanced part of the human brain, the frontal lobes.
		And the frontal lobes compute creativity, imagination, cooperation, intuition, and logic.
		Now these are highly advanced skills that appear nowhere else in nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is intuition in your description synonymous with precognition or are they separate things?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Precognition, there's a range of abilities.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		You know, a mother can say, well, I have an intuition, a hunch.
unidentified		Sure.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		That could be, say, on a scale from 1 to 10, level 2, of knowing something but not having any sensory input to really back it up.
		Whereas someone who has a highly developed sense of precognition may be there at 9 or 10 with disability.
		So there's a whole range of it.
		Intuition meaning a knowledge that one has without having any sensory input to show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		One might describe it, for example, thinking back on my experience, as a vague feeling versus an overwhelming, compelling feeling.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		You were on a scale of eight or nine, particularly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, at that moment.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But believe me, I've dropped back to a one.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'll get you back up there.
		We'll get you back up there.
		It's kind of interesting how generally these extrasensory skills, at least from my observations and from the observations at the brain lab, they're not something that you turn on and off, you know, like you turn your television on or off.
		It's more, you know, if you think about all of your other senses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you aware of the work being done at Princeton?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Explain this work to me.
		And I may or may not be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it has to do with all of these areas, precognition, telepathy, that sort of thing.
		And then there's a private company called Pear Inc., which is teaching people how to develop these talents.
		And they have a unique computer program, which is very, very interesting, Neil.
		Pear Inc.
		is an offshore shoot of the work done at Princeton.
		It's commercial.
		And it allows you – it's a random number generator.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I know what you're speaking.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Sure, go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You do, right?
		And you can pull down two pictures, one of white noise, which essentially is like what you see on your television when there's no signal, just all the little dots.
		Uh-huh.
		And you could put that on the right-hand side.
		On the left-hand side, you could put a picture of a castle.
		And you start out, and the two pictures will start to sort of interweave with each other.
		And your job is to try and cause one to resolve over the other.
		In other words, to completely clear up the picture and cause the castle to be clear or to completely turn it all into white noise.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That program will then grade you on your ability to, you know, to do that.
		And I have extensively played with this program, and it is astounding.
		I can start it off, walk out of the room, not pay any attention to it.
		The score will come up, inevitably very low, 9, 10, 12, 13, something like that.
		But if I sit there and concentrate, I can consistently score 65, 75, 85, 95 percent.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I find it very interesting.
		And I think it's something that a lot of people would find useful.
		And I think probably one of the reasons that it works is that it is a fairly innocuous type of endeavor.
		In other words, there's nothing to really win by doing this.
		It's not something that you're not trying to gain monetarily by doing this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		You're not trying to...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but the implication is incredible.
		And that is that your mind can affect an operating microprocessor generating random numbers that result in pictures.
		Now, that clearly is a demonstration of mind over machine.
		Over machine.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever played the game with coins where you flip a coin and see if you can influence the number of heads or tails coming up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be a cruder form.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I've never really played with that.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		That's something that anyone can do, and you don't even need a computer.
		in that case you've got a whole lot of guys who play professional NFL football who would like to talk to you but right but here but all of a sudden we're getting into a situation where someone is starting to click into competitive consciousness.
		Here's where I have the whole thing that we're talking about are purely non-competitive.
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Why, though, would any negative motivation for wanting to wield this power, most power you can describe in the world, from nuclear power to any other kind of power, has both positive and negative uses.
		Now, it's easy for me to imagine that this power exists, that we have it latent or developing in our brains.
		It's hard for me to imagine that we can only use it for good and cannot use it for reasons ranging from personal profit to evil.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Power is a power.
		If it's real, it should be able to be wielded for any reason, good or bad.
		So when we come back after the top of the aisle, I'd kind of like to know why it is that when we try to use it for something, personal profit or whatever, it doesn't work.
		Can you address that?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I certainly can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, good.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what we're up to when we come back then.
		Power, I always thought, could be used for nearly anything.
		At least it has always been so.
		Just ask the U.S. military.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast AM from The Kingdom of Nigh with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be me, and my guest is Neil Slade, and boy is this interesting stuff for what?
		He's written a book called The Frontal Lobes Handbook.
		He's been deeply involved in music for years.
		However, worked with a brain researcher for years and years and years, a TPA lingo for 11 years.
		And we're talking about the brain, and we're talking specifically about the ability of our brain to perform seemingly amazing feats, precognition, telekinesis, clairvoyance, that sort of thing.
		The silent senses, he calls them.
		And he has developed a kind of a theory with regard to our brain that suggests there are three separate parts, the reptilian Or center portion of the brain connected directly to our spinal cord, which cover the four F's, and we'll move through that again.
		The mammal section, the next section out in the brain, which takes care of nurturing the young and higher functions, of course, than the reptilian portion, which is basically fight-or-flight and food and reproduction, which is an R instead of an F, but family radio, right?
		And then the outermost portion, the primate portion, which contains, which includes the frontal lobes of our brain.
		And all of this makes sense, of course, if you believe in evolution.
		Now, we are talking about the specific abilities of precognition, for example.
		I've had that one great example in my life of precognition only once.
		Maybe I'll have it again someday, who knows?
		But there was no question about it.
		It was there.
		I didn't want it.
		I couldn't control it.
		I couldn't stop it.
		And it has never happened again.
		He says, at that point, I was operating around a level eight or nine.
		Normally, I'm a one.
		I don't have precognition.
		I have a little bit of intuition, but that's way down on the scale compared to precognition.
		And let me tell you where we are in the discussion.
		He says there is a lady, for example, in Las Vegas who, for a good cause, will go to a casino and win money, which she then will do good with in an organization that she represents.
		But it seems as though you can only do good with this and not bad, and that part doesn't make sense to me, and we're going to talk about that in a moment.
		There are two stories you should be aware that I'm tracking.
		One is in Reno, where my affiliate and many, many other people report having seen a red object in the sky.
		We're trying to get more information on that.
		If you have it, we would appreciate any input.
		An ongoing, a fairly serious sighting in the Reno area.
		And here we go again.
		The Washington Fire Department finds goo from the sky.
		Goo.
		Just this evening on the NBC Portland, Oregon TV affiliate, they reported a person brought the Everett, Washington Fire Department some, quote, goo that fell from the sky following a rain.
		And quote, the substance, a clear gel, has yet to be identified.
		And indeed, a year or so ago, I interviewed a lady in Western Washington who also reported this goo stuff.
		It was, I believe, covered by a network television operation.
		This goo killed her cat, and there had been a UFO sighting in connection with that particular report.
		So I'm looking at both of these stories right now and following them.
		I've got a lot of other information for you as well, which we'll get out when we're in open lines.
		But with regard to the sighting in Reno, many, many people apparently saw it, including air controllers who saw this whatever it was, but did not see it on radar.
		And the witnesses include personnel at KOH Radio in Reno.
		So it's a developing story, and I'll keep you informed.
		Right now, back to Neil Slade.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Neil.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So this power that we have, Neil, can be used for good, but apparently not for bad.
		And that mixes me up.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to explain that to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, go right ahead.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		First of all, you have to, let me relate this to you.
		Lingo ran his program for 35 years, starting with young, pre-adolescent children who came up for summer camp, and then adolescents, then young adults, and finally adults.
		And every summer he held a brain in nature course.
		And what he noticed was a distinct increase in extrasensory abilities reported by subjects who went through the annual Brain in Nature course.
		Now, the people who went through the course perform daily routines of various brain exercises and meditations designed simply to increase the amount of creative, intelligent frontal lobes processes.
		Thought processes that we know are a product of frontal lobes types of thinking.
		Many people came up to the program to find help in dealing with troublesome emotional, personal problems.
		And the summer course was designed to deal with these kinds of problems.
		So accordingly, as the subjects increase their frontal lobe processes and behaviors, and eliminated negative mental hang-ups associated with reptilian brain processes,
		they also reported increased incidences of extrasensory and paranormal activity.
		Now subjects who experience the most pronounced levels of change known at the lab as popping your frontal lobes, they reported routine occurrences of extrasensory experience.
		This was also my own personal experience there.
		So what we have found through trial and error and reports from subjects and also relating the connection between frontal lobes activities and the occurrence of these paranormal skills is that the frontal lobes portion of the brain is either the location of
		these skills or, it somehow at the very least is involved in the neural pathways involved in these skills.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I still don't have an answer to my question.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I'm coming to that.
		So we know there is the connection between frontal lobes and these paranormal skills.
		Okay.
		Now, the same area of the brain that allows you to use these skills also makes you see the domino effect of your actions.
unidentified		Follow?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Makes you see the domino effect of your actions.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		The frontal lobes compute concepts of time.
		It allows you to see, let's say, if you do action A. The frontal lobes allow you to compute the results, the resulting chain link of effect of your action.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let us go back then, Neil, to the example of, well, then why not pick the winning lotto numbers?
		Well, my frontal lobes would compute, if I did, I'd win a lot of money and be real comfortable.
		Now, why would that prevent me from exercising that power in that pursuit?
unidentified		It's possible.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It's possible that you would win a lot of money and give it to charity and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's also possible I'd win a lot of money and put it in the bank.
		That's right.
		So what is it in my brain that would prevent me from winning a lot of money and putting it in the bank?
unidentified		Okay.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Parental lobe skills come about as a, if you think about all of the senses that you normally use, are regular senses, touch, smell, taste, auditory.
		These are senses that aid you in your survival and in survival of the species.
		There's a reason for that.
		They help you to survive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Put finger in fire, pull away because it hurts, yes.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Survival.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Finger doesn't burn up.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Now, if your actions that you take as a result of, let's say, your precognition or your telepathy,
		if these actions enhance your ability to survive and enhance the community's ability to survive, then these abilities are a natural part of your expression.
		They are then made available to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure whether I'm okay with that or not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, I'm not sure still it answers my question.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I'm getting to that.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		So if you, let's say you think, okay, I'm going to pick some winning lotto numbers, and then I'm going to take that money and I'm going to put it into the bank for me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Pay off my house, pay off my car.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Try to do a bit of world travel, you know, that kind of thing.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		When you start thinking in those terms, all of a sudden you're no longer processing frontal lobes processes.
		You're processing the reptilian me, me, me types of behavior.
unidentified		I see.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		So reptiles lay eggs.
		So we use the analogy eggs.
		Ego, greed, grab, suck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that does answer my question.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		You follow?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, of course I do.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		That's why the woman in Las Vegas can go, because she's thinking about I'm going to do something that's going to benefit everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, oh, I understand.
		Now, you have answered my question.
		Let me ask you another.
		Scientists really recently have discovered what they are calling, or we are calling actually, a God spot in the brain.
		No joke.
		In other words, they have determined through actual measurement that when people pray or consider things religious, God, whatever, there is a specific part of the brain, which I can't give you at this moment.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I know the part?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That you do.
		That becomes active.
		What part is that?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		This is the brain's master click switch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The brain's master click?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		The master click switch.
		This was first discovered by a neurophysiologist named Graham Goddard.
		And he used electro probes in white rats' brains and stimulated the anterior front portion of an organ called the amygdala.
		And let me explain what the function of this is and how we know what it does.
		As we know, we have a reptile brain, and we have this middle part of the brain, the mammal brain, and then the frontal lobes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And the frontal lobes, yeah.
unidentified		Okay.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Now, if we think about consciousness in the brain as a sort of a pathway, we could say that consciousness begins in the rectiliar, I believe it's called a rectiliar activating formation.
		It's in the reptile brain.
		And there's a little switch in that part of the brain, and when it's clicked off, we're asleep.
		And when we wake up in the morning, this little switch in this part of our reptile brain clicks on, and the energy flows from our reptile brain out to our mammal brain and then out to our frontal lobes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Telling us probably something like, my mouth feels like a birdcage, I've got to go brush my teeth, or I'm hungry, or I need some coffee, or whatever.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		When we're asleep, our senses are turned off.
		Yes, right, and we're not aware of our environment.
		So it's actually, it's a motion from inside, from our very innermost core part of our being, out to our senses.
		Okay?
		Sure.
		Now, there's a switch right in the middle of the brain, and there's one for each hemisphere of the brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Each three hemispheres.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, the switch is in the mammal portion of the brain, and the mammal portion of the brain is midway between the innermost reptile brain and the outermost primate brain and frontal lobes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
		And this switch is like a click switch.
		It's like a light switch.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn on and off.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
		Now, when this click switch, and it's called the amygdala, and that comes from the Greek word meaning almond, because it's a little nut-shaped protuberance inside, right in the middle of our brain.
		And your audience can find this switch very easily.
		All you do is you take your fingers, okay, and your index fingers, and put them about, oh, three-quarters of an inch in front of each ear, right at the temple, and point straight in.
		And about one inch inside each temple is where these switches are located.
		And there's one for the right half of the brain, the right hemisphere, and there's one for the left hemisphere of the brain.
		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I give myself a good sharp jog on one side or the other, can I switch it?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		If you give yourself a good what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jog.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That was a joke, Neil.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, I missed it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		So this is where the switch is located.
		Now, when the switch is clicked backwards, our brain, most of the electrochemical activity in the brain is sent backwards into our reptile brain.
		And when this switch is clicked forwards, it allows the electrochemical energy of our brain to continue forward into our frontal lobes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We are now using more of our brain.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		The reptile brain and mammal brain make up 10, 15% of the bulk of our brain.
		And the rest of our brain is this huge primate brain and frontal lobes.
		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They are the areas of intense interest for us this night, right?
		Particularly that outermost portion.
		All right.
		Neil, hold on.
		We'll be right back.
		We're going to break here at the bottom of the hour.
		Pretty interesting stuff, huh?
		Which way do you think your switch is this night?
		A lot to learn.
		Stick around.
		From the high deserts, I'm Art Bell, and this is the program that sort of doesn't do the same thing every night.
		Have you noticed?
		It's called Coast to Coast AM.
		And if you'll stick around for a while, it'll be quite an adventure.
		Don't move.
unidentified		Now, here again is Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		Thank you very much, Ross.
		So, the God spot in our brain, an actual area that we're able to measure that when we think of religion or we pray is active.
		We are talking about the human brain.
		We will begin taking calls shortly.
		My guest is Neil Slade, and we'll get right back to him.
		Neil, we need to move ahead fairly quickly here if we can.
		And I think that I'm pretty clear now on the fact that these abilities that we've been talking about tonight all lie just beyond a switch, in essence.
		And if we can figure out how to turn on the switch, then precognition, even telekinesis, and a lot of other things begin to be in our arsenal.
		Access to our abilities if we use them wisely and for good.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, how do we turn on that switch, Neil?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, I recently wrote a book called Have Fun.
		And what I try to do is make the switching of the amygdala process and turning on the infinite potential of the frontal lobes as simple as possible.
		And so I started out by saying to the audience, I'm going to explain how you can achieve nirvana in a matter of seconds, and I'll explain this to your audience as well.
		Okay, now the first thing you do is you find a neurosurgeon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A neurosurgeon.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		A neurosurgeon.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And you get him to implant an electrode needle in the anterior, that's the front portion of your amygdala, in the right side of your brain and the left side of your brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Total bummer, Neil.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the first step.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And then secondly, you connect one end of this needle to a variable electrical current output device.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not just plug it right into the wall?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, you only need a couple of milliamps of power, okay?
		You turn on the tooth and voila!
		You will see God instantaneously.
		And this is exactly What scientists did back in the 50s.
		Now, if you go to your local medical school library and you can look up the neurobiology of the amygdala or some other books which document these case histories, you'll find that scientists learned what happens when you stimulate the front part of the amygdala and what happens when you stimulate the back part of the amygdala.
		And the result is exactly the opposite.
		When the posterior portion of the amygdala is stimulated, it turns on reptilian brain behaviors and the attendant emotional emotions that go along with those behaviors.
		People who click their amygdala backwards become paranoid, they experience fear, they experience the full range of negative emotions and exhibit reptilian fight or flight types of behaviors.
		When the amygdala is clicked forward and it sends electrical chemical energy forward into the frontal lobes, they feel peace of mind.
		And many people have reported cosmic connectedness.
		As you said it, they see God.
		And they exhibit attendant frontal lobes behaviors.
		For example, a cat put a mouse in a cage with a cat, and what does the cat do?
		The cat attacks the mouse and eats it.
		Now, they did this with the cat, and they clicked the amygdala forward of the cat, because a cat has an amygdala too.
		You see small frontal lobes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did it do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lick the mouse?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It just watched the mouse.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And it observed the mouse.
unidentified		Really?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Jose Delgado, in 1962, attached an electrode inside a bull's brain.
		And the bull, they waited for the bull to go into a full charge, and they turned on the juice and clicked the amygdala forward, stopped the bull dead in its tracks.
		The bull clicked out of reptilian counterattack behaviors and right into cooperative frontal behaviors and calmed down.
		Now they did this.
		They started out doing it in rats, and then they went up to cats, and they clicked the amygdala in dogs, and then they did it in apes, and then they did it in people.
		People who had neurological tendencies and uncontrolled rage.
		And they found that they could eliminate the rage behaviors.
		And they actually outfitted some people with little buttons that they could press at will.
		And they could physically, without doing any kind of mental exercises, click their amygdalas.
unidentified		And others, there's a whole period of time.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For those of us who don't want electric probes slid in.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it could be quite inconvenient turning over in bed at night, couldn't it?
unidentified		Yes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Or dragging around a long extension before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes.
		Now you're going to suggest, I'm sure, there is a mental process to bring this on without invasive surgery.
		At least I hope you're going to.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		There's many.
		Now this is another thing that was spent many years at the lab.
		Now we knew from the scientific data what our goal was.
		The goal was to experience the positive emotions, the elimination of the negative emotions and traumas.
		We wanted to develop more advanced frontal lobes abilities, but we didn't want the long extension cord.
		So over many years of trial and error, many different exercises were designed to allow the ordinary person to click their amygdala forward while they're waiting in line at the supermarket.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you do it?
unidentified		Okay.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		There's many ways to do it.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And I'm going to start you out with a very simple way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, if people are skeptical that this would have results, think about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, try it at home.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Try it at home.
		You know, and it might be something that your audience right now could try.
		They can call you up and say, I did this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's have it.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		You know where your amygdala is now, right?
		We've located that.
		What we're going to use is a process known as imaging.
		Very simple.
		By imaging a feather.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A feather?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		A feather.
		Simple feather.
		Now, by imaging this feather, we've instantaneously turned on our frontal lobes.
		Because the only place you can image, imagine, create an abstract thought is in your frontal lobe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Frontal lobes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, so in other words, that puts the frontal lobe section of the brain to work to image that feather.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Now, we've got to be very careful here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		What we've got to do is make sure that we now stimulate the front part of our amygdala so that the energy chemical flow is into this advanced part of our brain.
		And we're going to take that feather, and we're going to tickle the front part of our right amygdala, and we're going to tickle the front part of our left amygdala.
		Now, if you stimulate mentally the front part of the amygdala, then you're clicking the switch forward into creative, cooperative, imaginative, intuitive, logical behaviors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're doing with existing pathways what otherwise would have to be done with surgery.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And just The mere fact that you're imaging, you are physically causing electrical chemical activity to occur in your brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But Neil, I image, we all every day image all kinds of things.
		It's part of the human condition.
		We image things we wish would be, we fantasize, that's imaging.
		We draw mental pictures about all kinds of things.
		So many of us are using the frontal lobe portions of our brain on a daily basis.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I would beg to differ with you on one point, however.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you have been very specific with imaging a feather and then tickling this very specific location right and left.
unidentified		Yes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Many times what people do when they image is they click their amygdala.
		Now the amygdala is like a rheostat.
		It's just not got one position on and one position off.
		There is an infinite number of positions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you've got to tickle the hell out of it.
unidentified		Well, no, no, no, no, no.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		What I'm saying is, and it's like your thermostat on your wall.
		You can set it at 60 degrees, 51, 62, 70, all right?
		Now let's say if we've got it down at 55, we're not sending any heat into our living room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
		The heat is staying down in the basement.
		Now if we crank it up to 55, well, we're sending a little bit of heat into the living room.
		Same way with our amygdala.
		If we have it clicked, we can have it clicked a little bit forward, and we can be doing a little bit of imaging in our brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Or we can have it clicked backwards, in which we image, and still most of the energy is not getting anywhere past our mammal brain.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It's just stuck mostly in our reptile brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if imaging the feather and tickling the amygdala right and left begins to turn the heat up, I'm staying with your analogies.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then why can't we just tickle the hell out of it and turn the heat way up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or can we?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		You can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And what I would suggest to you is that cultural conditioning, social conditioning, prevents us from doing this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So then does it require or is it enhanced by some sort of concentration meditation exercise that produces an altered state allowing us to really turn up the temperature?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Can you phrase that question a little differently?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in other words, trying to do this while at the supermarket with all the buzz and hum going on around you is going to be at best a somewhat difficult thing to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doing it in a quiet environment where you are contemplative and you are doing nothing other than focusing on this project would seem to me you'd have a better chance of yes, absolutely.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And probably people at home this evening.
		And I hesitate to suggest that they turn off the radio, but they may want to do it for 30 seconds.
		And in the complete quiet where they can concentrate on this, close their eyes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't listen to them, people.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And what people report is if they cut down the external stimulus and do this exercises, suddenly they feel a warmth in the front part of their brain.
		They may sense some lights.
		They may actually hear very subtle sounds.
		They may see little sparks.
		It runs a full gamut.
		Some people, the first time they do this, don't notice anything.
		One of the things that was so great about the brain lab is that it was located 40 miles in the wilderness.
		So people would go up to the brain lab and they'd be away from their job and they'd be away from the traffic and the pollution and they would do this and the results would be spectacular.
		In the city, it's a little harder because you have a lot of distractions and your environment is keeping you clicked into self-defense, counterattack.
		You know, you get in your car and you think, is somebody going to have a road rage?
		You walk into the 7-Eleven and you wonder, is this nut?
		So your environment is keeping you clicked into your reptile brain.
		And it's no wonder that you don't experience telepathy or precognition.
		You're too busy with your armor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let us assume that a lot of people at home are able to take this first step.
		How long a road is it from the first step and the first feelings that you generate by doing this mental exercise to possible abilities like precognition, like telepathy, like even telekinesis, the ability to move objects with your mind?
		How much of a journey is it from the very beginning tickle to the development of those sorts of abilities?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It depends on two things.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Now, time, we've noticed you talked about the very beginning of your show, popping your frontal lobes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And this is the name that we give to this overwhelming flood of energy.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I mean, think of the happiest day of your life, okay, and multiply that times 1,000.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got you.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		One day, you will click your amygdala forward, and the floodgates to your frontal lobes will open.
		And I mean, this is the historical experience that known in some circles as nirvana, the Mahdi, born again.
		It's related to these historical types of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I'm going to lay something on you here and at least get your reaction to it.
		I have interviewed many people who believe many things.
		About a week ago, I interviewed a guest who suggested that indeed there Is a physical barrier in the brain that we use about 10% or less of our brain, and that that barrier was there for a very specific reason, put there by those who created, or if you will, engineered us.
		In other words, he did not believe fully in the process of evolution as we think we understand it.
		He suggests that there is a great missing link, and of course there is a missing link with regard to our evolutionary process, and that something interceded at the moment, at that particular moment that we cannot yet discern, and intentionally put that barrier there so that we might not develop further.
		Would you reject that kind of thinking?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't reject it entirely, but we know what the barrier is.
		The barrier is repressed trauma memories, and they're located in the hippocampus.
		When you are a child growing up and you start, you're dancing at the dinner table, and mom says, sit down and finish your peas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember that.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Suddenly, your forward motion into your frontal lobes, fun circuits, was cut off from you.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Your mother took your amygdala and clipped it back on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you've got it, Neil.
		For me, it was lima beans.
		Have you ever considered the foul consistency of a lima bean?
		They're horrible.
		I used to have to take lima beans and eat them like, you know, I couldn't have dessert, see, unless I ate them.
		So I had to take them like pills.
		I would swallow them whole with a glass of milk to get to my dessert.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, too, if your mother said that you could never have lima beans, you'd probably want them every day for them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not a chance, Neil.
		Not a chance.
		To this very day, they are a foul vegetable from hell that I want nothing to do with.
		Even the thought.
		See, I can do some frontal lobork here right now, and I can image, I can think of a lima bean, I can taste its lousy consistency and its foul taste.
		And I can image all that right now.
		And I'm sure it's blowing me right back to reptilian times.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		You're clicking.
unidentified		You're clicking backwards.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You started it.
		That is a prime example.
		It's a good example.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But anyway, that's what keeps us from clicking forward.
		We learn, we are conditioned to click backwards.
		And we learn that, well, if we click forwards and dance at the dinner table, and if we click forwards and start singing in line at the supermarket, we're going to get our behind whipped.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're going to take us away to a quiet spot.
unidentified		That's right.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And so as we grow up and from all these traumas being hammered into us, we just, our switch kind of gets turned back and back.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Eventually we completely forget how to click that switch forward.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we have been environmentally turned back.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Culturally conditioned.
		Culturally conditioned.
		Absolutely.
		And it's, you know, it's a cosmic joke.
		It's the great cosmic joke.
		The Zen people say enlightenment is passing through the gate where there is no gate.
		You know, when you discover that you can indeed click forward into your frontal lobes and there's nothing stopping you from doing it, it's like dropping the lead weight that you've been carrying around your shoulders for your whole life.
		And this is what the big, you know, when you get in an airplane and your ears clog up, you know, and all of a sudden they pop.
unidentified		Yep.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And everything, ah, you can hear when you pipe your mental need.
		Okay, we're talking about the frontal lobe pop.
		Imagine what that feels like.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Oh, it must be incredible.
		All right, Neil Slade, hang on.
		We're going to take calls when we come back.
		If you've been with us for a while, then I do presume you're following this, and it absolutely makes sense.
		Think about that frontal lobe, folks.
unidentified		Now again, here's art.
unidentified		Once again, here I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is Neil Slade, and this is really, really fascinating stuff.
		We're actually teaching you a way you can switch your brain into a higher gear, in effect, and enter the areas where you can do things that, I don't know, other people claim they have natural abilities for, psychic abilities, healing, telepathy, telekinesis, which I imagine would be at the outside of a fully developed ability.
		And we're going to ask Neil some questions here shortly.
		Neil, welcome back.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you ready to take some questions?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then let us do that.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Neil Slade.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
		The thing that I wanted to call in and say was his assertion that you can't use sexy abilities for evil or for reptile-brained things.
		I don't think it's true because I'm a reformed criminal.
unidentified		I used to break into houses.
		I used to steal things, anything that wasn't nailed down.
		I used to sell drugs.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I would use these things to keep myself from getting caught.
		I mean, you know, I would know when the police car was four blocks away and I'd know to get out of the house.
		I'd know when the guy buying drugs from me wasn't, you know, really somebody who was buying drugs.
		I'd know it was an undercover cop and I'd say, no, no, I don't think I'll sell to you.
		You know, don't know what you're talking about.
		And it's, I mean, in my current job, I use it to drive away annoying customers.
		You know, that's not exactly a good act.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, are you sure that you were able to do that, or were you using a lower form of intuition?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can't really define the difference between intuition and intuition.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, there you are, Neil.
		Somebody claiming he used it for negative purpose.
		How do you answer that?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, it sounds as like you said you're reformed.
		Yeah, it sounds as like you weren't able to continue perpetually.
		And perhaps some of these things that you were saying, it's like you knew when the police were four blocks away.
		Some of these things could have been just very normal types of very common brain functioning.
		It was like maybe you were imagining.
		I was criminally hearing the same time there was this little voice all along that was saying, well, you just can't go on forever and do this kind of thing.
		And I think this realization that what you were doing was not only not good for society as a whole and not good for you and your future, I think this kind of went hand in hand.
		And that's what I was referring to earlier when I was saying, you know, when you use the higher functions of the brain to do things that ultimately cause yourself and society damage, it's like putting your finger in a hot flame.
		You just can't do it.
		And if you do it, you can only do it for so long, and then you've got to pull your finger out.
		What I do for a living now is I deal cards in a casino.
		Well, that's a productive, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now, wait a minute.
		I don't think too much of a producer.
		Yeah, let's examine that.
		He deals cards in a casino.
		Now, he's working for the casino.
		It is the exact opposite situation of the one you presented to us earlier.
		In other words, to look good in his job, to look good to the boss, to look good, period, he's got to win.
		I'm what's called a house dealer.
unidentified		Sure.
unidentified		don't win at my table.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, you're There are, I know something about Las Vegas, and there are certain dealers, and you pointed out earlier that if somebody's winning, that they will take certain steps.
		And trust me, one of those steps is they will change the dealers.
		They'll take somebody like this fellow and substitute him for whoever was at that table because, believe me, they're gone.
		Is that correct, caller?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know about the casino industry, and there are people like this caller who win for the house, not by cheating, just because it's what they do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, this kind of backs up what you're talking about, Neil, but it kind of erodes one aspect of what you've been talking about, and that is that it cannot be used for a less than fully moral, ethical purpose.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think gambling entertainment is something that society benefits from to some degree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're not arguing that the benefits are not of gambling.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so if the casinos lose money, well, they're going to go out of business and then their function will be non-existent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you break it down to the level of this caller, though, he's sitting there, and we're talking about him versus the people he's dealing to.
		And the immediate effect is the person loses, and he wins, and it's a negative effect on them.
		So he is using this power in a way that would be less than fully ethical.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't necessarily buy that he's using a higher brain function to cause the other person to lose.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		If you see it that way, well, you know, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Cola, thank you.
		I think you made a very good point.
		I'm buying off on about 80% of what you're saying, Neil.
		And the only place that I sort of have a problem is that I think it is a power.
		I think it's as real as can be.
		But I do believe that it can be used for purposes that are not as high and moral and ethical as you would hope.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, we can agree to disagree.
unidentified		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Neil Slade.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello, Mr. Slade.
		How are you?
		I do.
		I have a comment and a question, and I'm the one that was in Reno, Art, that saw that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm going to read that report here in a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for reminding me.
unidentified		Oh, sure.
		Okay.
		I tapped into what you guys were discussing years ago, yons ago.
		I'm 36.
		And have you guys done any research on it?
		I found that it amplifies just through the realization that it exists.
		Like rather than attributing like deja vu and or coincidence, if you attribute that to what it actually is, which is precognitive skills and or each time you accept the realism of it, it accelerates and amplifies the ability.
		Have you guys researched that from that direction at all?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The subject of deja vu, how does that fit in?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Deja vu is the feeling that you have been somewhere this place before even though you never have been.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I think what this woman is saying is that once you see it work, then it becomes easier to access.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And that is it is a self, these are self-reinforcing skills.
unidentified		Am I correct?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The lady is not there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		She's gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		She's gone, yes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, the frontal lobe skills are accumulative.
		Okay?
		At the beginning, when you first start clicking your amygdala forward and you start accessing more and more of your frontal lobe's abilities, you get some instant gratification.
		And this is sort of built into your brain to encourage you to further evolve into this cooperative circuit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is a good thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Proceed.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's right.
		You get instant reward.
		You know, keep going.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		What we suggest, and one of the exercises that I suggest in the book, is that you begin a self-diagnosis graph.
		And you begin to chart.
		You just get some graph paper, and you can chart incidences that you feel of intuition.
		You can chart increases in the daily pleasurable sensations that you feel.
		You can chart all kinds of your frontal lobes types of skills.
		And you might want to start this graph a week before you start doing any of the brain exercises so you get a baseline.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, here's one that you probably cannot answer.
		Okay.
		You're talking about the development of moving into your frontal lobe area and then developing these skills.
		There appear to be a group of people who – Fascinating case.
		Here's a guy who was standing at home one night talking on the telephone years ago and was struck by lightning.
		Now, when I say struck by lightning, I mean really struck by lightning.
		The metal nails in his shoes were welded to the floor, the nails in the floor.
		He was on fire, literally caught on fire.
		He clinically died.
		And when he came out of it, he had a super development of all of the kinds of skills we're talking about, perhaps short of telekinesis, and I haven't even talked to him about that one.
		But he had skills beyond belief, some of which he retains today, but they slowly began to fade as time went on after that incident.
		So you've got somebody like Danion who acquired these skills through tragedy, and you've got other people who appear to be naturals, these natural psychic people that we talk about.
		And then you've got apparently a third group that you suggest can be, all of us, who can train ourselves into this.
		Is that about right?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like everything you've said is certainly possible, and it sounds like it has all happened.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like what he experienced was a sudden rewiring of his nervous system, which was accidental in nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And since he wasn't aware of how it happened, you know, it was something he eventually reverted back to what we considered normal consciousness.
		And that probably could, you know, explain why these sort of things faded.
		His circuitry just went back to the way it was.
		You know, you have other people who seem to have a, I got some email today from a lady and she said, well, how come some people can look at a book and memorize the whole book just by turning the pages, photographic memory, and some people can't?
		Well, you know, it's like, well, why do some people, why are some people six feet tall and some people are, you know, three and a half feet tall?
		It's just, you know, we all have a given sort of, some of us get some abilities and some of us get other abilities.
		And there's no really rhyme or reason for any of that.
		You just get what you get.
		On the other hand, everyone can always, you know, you don't have to be born a piano player.
		You can sit down and practice 10 minutes a day and learn how to play the piano.
		And just about everyone can do that.
		So in the same way, we can all develop these advanced, cooperative, creative, intelligent, paranormal skills if we practice them.
		We may not be born with exceptional amounts.
		We may not get struck by lightning.
		But it looks like the research shows that we can develop these to useful levels.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fascinating.
		All right.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Neil Slade.
		Hello.
		Hi, I'm Neil.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Steve Millett.
		I mean, whoops.
		Steve, where are you?
		I'm in Worcester, Massachusetts.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Hi, Steve.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was wondering, Neil, what your take was again on deja vu?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Deja vu.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Deja vu, yes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		The feeling that you've been already experienced.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don has been there even though you haven't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have a comment on it, but I was wondering what your take was on it now.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		You want to hear my take first?
		Yeah.
		You know, our brains are amazing computers.
		We have something between 10 billion and 100 billion neurons in our brain.
		And then we've got 10 times as many supporting cells underneath.
		So it's more complicated than any computer you could imagine.
		And the processing ability of the human brain is incredible.
		Now, probably what happens is, in the case of deja vu, is you computed the probabilities of an event before coming to that event.
		You may have thought precognition, right.
		And when you arrive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, That makes sense.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And when you arrive at that event, you say, oh, I've already been here because you've already computed that scenario in your brain.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And so it all feels very familiar.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Excellent, Neil.
		Excellent.
		All right.
		Does that answer your question, Carla?
		Well, no, I'm sorry.
		I thought it was excellent myself.
		My take on that is something along the lines of your left hemisphere and your right hemisphere talk to each other through those electrical neurons that you were talking about.
		And occasionally, like a car, you might misfire a spark.
		So the left-hand, say you're coming up on a town you know you've never been in, and as you go through the town, the right-hand part of your brain sees something and shoots it over to the left-hand side of the brain, but it misfires right then.
		And so on the next time that it shoots across the neurons, the left side gets the information.
		And it got the information a nanosecond late that time.
unidentified		So it's like...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now I'm having it again.
		All right, Paula, I appreciate that, but I consider Neil's explanation to be far more elegant and consistent with what he's been saying all evening long.
		I appreciate you, Paul.
		Listen, we've got a break here at the bottom of the hour.
		Neil Hankheipe will be right back.
		Neil Slade is my guest.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		And this is Coast to Coast AM.
		This is Coast to Coast A.M. with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nigh.
		Now again, here's Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		Neil Slade is my guest.
		Fascinating stuff.
		It's the brain in general.
		It is a fascinating topic, and I'm going to underscore a lot of what he's just told you with some hard science in a moment.
		I want to cover this.
		Art Phil, one of your board operators at 780 KOH in Reno.
		At 5.57 p.m. this evening, a slow-moving red light was seen by many of our listeners in the sky south of Reno.
		Sean, the evening board op, Brad, the afternoon board op, Jim Fannin, one of our reporters, and myself, the overnight board operator, also saw it.
		It was incredibly bright and flashing at irregular intervals.
		This light was also seen by the air traffic controllers at the Reno-Tahoe International Airport Tower, but they have no clue what it was.
		An airport spokesman told me that it did not, in caps, not show up on their radar.
		Strange, to be sure.
		So that is a precise report from my affiliate in Reno.
		I presume many of you have seen it.
		I'm being flooded with reports.
		Now, back to Neil Slade.
		I've got in front of me something from the Electronic Telegraph, issue number 906, issued Sunday, 16 November 97.
		An article entitled, Science Proves Mind's Power Over Matter, and I mentioned Princeton, so here we go.
		Startling evidence that the human mind can exert paranormal control over objects has been uncovered by researchers whose findings have confounded even hardened skeptics.
		Experiments conducted by a team at Princeton University are now being hailed as the most convincing demonstration yet of so-called psychokinesis, the supposed ability of thought to affect inanimate objects.
		Until now, most claims for the existence of PK have rested largely on anecdotal evidence, polar dice, wrecking homes, demonstrations by stage performers like Uri Geller, who claim to bend forks and spoons by thought alone.
		Since the early 80s, Professor Robert John, J-A-H-N, and colleagues of the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Project have been protecting a series of tightly controlled laboratory tests of PK to discover once and for all whether the phenomena exists or not.
		The experiments focus on electronic random number generators, bingo, which produce an utterly unpredictable sequence of ones and zeros.
		Subjects are asked to concentrate on a display showing the output of these generators and to try to change the numbers it produces.
		Left to themselves, the devices will produce equal numbers of ones and zeros in the long run.
		If PK exists, however, it should reveal itself in a bias away from chance, expectations as subjects will the output toward one way or the other.
		Now, after 12 years of experiments involving more than 100 subjects in thousands of trials, Professor John and his team have uncovered astonishing evidence that the electronic devices can be controlled by thought.
		The human subjects, listen now carefully, proved capable of altering the output of the devices so much that the chances of getting such a bias by fluke alone is calculated to be less than one in 1,000 billion.
		Let me repeat that.
		The chances of getting such a bias by fluke alone are calculated to be less than 1 in 1,000 billion.
		Neil, what do you think?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't seem that far-fetched to me at all.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It seems actually quite likely, because what you're talking about in the computer program is electrical impulses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Now, our brains work the same way.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Actually, the computer is a simplified model of the way our brain works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Neural pathways, yes.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Now, our brains are constantly radiating electrical magnetic energy.
		In fact, I believe this is how in our MI, or MRI, pardon me, it picks up, it sends magnetic, electromagnetic field particles.
		I'm not exactly sure how it works, but what it's doing is reflecting the amount of electrical activity that occurs in the brain.
		Any type of electrical device radiates energy, which can be picked up by magnets and measured.
		And it would seem to me that a computer can be manipulated by another object that is generating a stronger type of electromagnetic field.
		They're probably working on that same type of frequency.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, I've got you.
		All right, let's go back to the phones.
		Welcome to the Rockies.
		You're on the air with Neil Slade.
		Good morning.
		Good morning, Art.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		This is Stephen Bellingham, Washington.
unidentified		Listening to you on KGMI?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I only have a few problems here.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		One, I don't think that Neil quite answered your question about the God spot in the brain.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		He had a lot of things to say about that, around it, but he never did quite come out and say what it does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's because nobody quite knows yet, to be fair to Neil.
		Even the researchers have no idea yet what this is all about.
		They know that when religious thoughts are thought, this particular area can be demonstrated to be active.
		Now, you can look at this in two ways.
		One, that this has always been in our brains and that we are naturally religious people, spiritual people, and that's because it's in our brains.
		And the other would be that it is a conditioned thing that we are brought up.
		We go to Sunday school.
		We're taught about God and the Bible or Buddha or whatever.
		And that part of the brain is developed as a result.
		Now, they don't know the answer to that yet, so I don't expect that Neil has an answer, but if you do, Neil, fire away.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Subjectively, people say when certain areas of their brain are stimulated, they feel as though they are witnessing God consciousness, and this is what they tell us.
		Some, and I was just reading today, about ancient Taoist meditations that instructed the practitioner to concentrate on the pineal portion, the pineal gland, and that by doing so one would attain this highest communication with the Godhead or with cosmic consciousness.
		So that's just been the feedback from people, you know, what they said that they have experienced as to whether or not we can validate the existence of God.
		You might be suggesting that we can validate the existence of a non-physical entity in a physical universe, which is impossible.
unidentified		So it's going to be subjective.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Back to my phone last.
		All right.
		I've got you.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Neil Slade.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Arg, how you good?
		All right.
		You know, in the deja vu, that one caller from Massachusetts said that his explanation is one generally accepted by most neurologists.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That may well be.
		But if you buy the fact that we have some precognitive abilities, then the explanation that Neil Slade gave is absolutely elegant.
		In other words, we have, in effect, seen this in either a conscious or slightly subconscious way, and so when, in fact, we do see it, we recognize it vaguely as something we are familiar with, the feeling of deja vu.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, it seems as though scientists will always come up with an explanation that fits their agenda, and it may or may not be correct, and I certainly don't dismiss that explanation, but I think there's always room for, well, yeah, but maybe this is why it works, too.
		So, you know, I'm not necessarily in disagreement with that other fellow's explanation.
		I think there's many ways to interpret, especially in neurological phenomenon.
		And so I offered my explanation.
		And if you like it, okay.
		And if you like the other guys, well, that's okay too.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, scientists, sir, for a long time have poo-pooed the whole idea of precognition PSI type abilities, certainly telekinesis.
		And yet I just read you an article indicating at Princeton they have proven these abilities beyond any shadow of a doubt.
		Now, what do your same scientists say about that?
unidentified		Well, I don't know.
		I don't know what their opinions on that are.
		I agree that there are precognitive abilities in humans.
		I've experienced them myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, in that case, is it a very large stretch to imagine that what we call deja vu is simply a lighter form of precognition?
unidentified		No, I don't think it's a stretch.
unidentified		I'm just saying that what the caller from Massachusetts said is Yes, the transference of from visualizing something or perceiving something to memory in such a fast time that it comes out in your memory so quickly that you can't perceive it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The only caution that I would give you is the very same scientists that are feeding you that are also saying that telekinesis is simply hogwash.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Can I interject something about this function of telekinesis?
unidentified		Because I gave it some thought Last night.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Many of these paranormal abilities that we have seem to take place when our normal senses and our normal abilities are not accessible to us.
		For example, the time when you were watching television, your normal senses, since you were watching television, had no way of telling you here was some clown that was going to bash your car.
		So when you needed to get information other than through your normal senses, then that sense of precognition, those particular frontal lobe circuits came into play.
		As far as people using telekinesis, you know, in the time that it takes Uri Geller to bend a spoon with his mind, you or I could bend a dozen with our fingers.
		And this probably could explain the reason why we don't see so many examples of telekinesis from day to day, because we already have very accessible, very easily used methods of moving objects.
		And it's almost silly to try to move a chair with our mind when all we have to do is pick it up and move it with our hands.
		And the times when we do see examples of telekinesis, it's probably on much more subtle levels, such as you were giving the example of electronic random numbers being changed by a thought process and things like that.
		We can't move those electronic numbers with our fingers.
		There's no really way to get in that machine and do that.
		So this is where perhaps our mind gets in a place where we can't get into the screen with our fingers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look at a one-arm bandit like we have in Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would suggest to you that they are random number generators.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that they have a certain percentage of hit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, I'm not familiar with the precise electronic setup of a one-arm bandit.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		They can calculate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or other gambling devices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But basically, I think there's a random number generator involved.
unidentified		And legally, there must be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So one can project quite simply from affecting a picture on a screen, you can extend to affecting the outcome of a poll.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And I've had actual experience with that particular device that you're talking about.
		My experience was waking up from a dream in which my dream said that showed me that I was winning money at a slot machine.
		Now I live about 50 miles from the nearest legal casino.
		That morning I said, well, hey, I'm headed off to Blackhawk.
		And I went and I won about $175 in the space of about 10 minutes on a slot machine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then you walked away or did you put it back in?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I walked away that day.
		Now I have gone back on occasion and didn't walk away soon enough.
		But on that particular one, I either had a precognition of that event happening or my brain was telling you, telling me rather.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I understand.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		This day, you will be able to manipulate that machine and walk away with a little change in your pocket.
		So I think it is possible to do that.
		Personally, I'm not very good at that with machine learning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, listen, Neil, do you have, I've been talking to you for a long time now, do you have a book or a tape that you would like to plug here?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		I have two books available, but the one I would really suggest to your listeners that they start out with is a book entitled Have Fun.
		And I took all my 23 years of teaching experience and my 11 years of brain experience and all my college education, and I tried to come up with my own unified field theory for doing things and turning on the frontal lobes.
		And what I came up with was this single, simple thought, have fun.
		And if one can train oneself to have fun, one can keep the frontal lobes turned on and stay clicked out of the negative experience of the reptile brain.
		And your listeners can simply send me a check or a money order for 1095, and I'll give you the address if they're out of Colorado.
		Send that 1095 to box, to send it to Neil Slade, box 6799, Denver, Colorado, 80206.
		And we'll get you started into turning on more and more of your frontal lobe's advanced abilities, and you will truly have more and more fun in your daily job and in your relationships.
		And you'll start to play around with your paranormal stuff.
		And it will just start happening to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or barring that, they can also go to my website, www.artbell.com, and pop over to your website by scrolling down to Neil Slade's name and clicking on that.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And they will get all the information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, $10.95, Neil Slade, box 66799, Denver, Colorado, 80206.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that correct?
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		That is absolutely correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, my friend, I thank you for being with us this evening, and we will have you on again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It has been a pleasure.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		It's been a great pleasure for me as well, Art.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		That's Neil Slade.
		All right, tomorrow night, his condition allowing, we are going to have Daniel Brinkley here.
		And he will be here in the second hour of The program.
		Daniel Brinkley.
		Again, though, as you know, he is recovering from a very serious condition, which you'll hear more about tomorrow night.
		And his health allowing, he will be with us tomorrow evening.
		I would like to remind you that I have two books.
		Actually, now, I'm sorry to say, just one book.
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		We do have audio versions of it available that I will autograph for you.
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		We are offering autographed copies of that as well.
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		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		This is Coast to Coast A.M. from the Kingdom of Nigh with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and it continues at this hour.
		And as I did at the beginning of the program, I would like to make a request for help from my audience.
		And in due course, I will explain to you why I am doing this.
		There is apparently a program run by somebody named Ted Gunderson on something called a Marinet, which transmits on Galaxy 1, some transponder, I'm not sure which one, on Galaxy 1, and is broadcast as well on shortwave.
		And there was a program yesterday with a guest named Dave, and I'm searching for anybody who has an audio-taped recording of this program.
		You would be doing me a very great favor if you would contact me and we can make arrangements to get that tape if you happen to have it.
		I would appreciate an immediate communication from you.
		And you may do this in a number of ways.
		You can email me at artbell, A-R-T-B-E-L-L, lowercase at aol.com.
		That's artbell at aol.com.
		You may fax me at Area Code 702-727-8499.
		702-727-8499.
		Or if you, failing those two possibilities, you can call my network in the morning at Area Code 541-664-8829.
		That's Area Code 541-664-8829.
		And again, we're searching for an audio tape copy of a program done yesterday on something called the Amerinet Network or whatever it is, broadcast on Galaxy 1, a program with Ted Gunderson and somebody named Dave.
		And so if you happen to have a copy of that or access to it, you would be doing me a large favor by getting it to me in one of the above prescribed ways.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Yeah, all right.
		It's Vince in Chicago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Vince.
unidentified		I heard something interesting on the shortwave radio yesterday, and I don't know if this is kind of what you were interested in, but they were talking about the March 13th Phoenix lights.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, that is not it, actually.
unidentified		But anyway, about the Phoenix lights, you know, I think that's like the greatest UFO mystery of all time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Modern time.
unidentified		Modern time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think you're correct.
		It's of modern time.
		I would say that is the greatest mystery.
unidentified		It's really a strange one.
		You want me to let you know what I heard?
		They said it's in the shortwave broadcast, they said it's a military operation called Project Blue Smoke.
		How do they know?
		I guess some sources in the military are speaking on this, and they said it's got something to do with FEMA, the federal emergency management.
		And, no, it kind of plays into some of that, you know, if you think about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm thinking about it, and it doesn't.
unidentified		Well, do you ever notice how the FEMA, the symbol, has a pyramid on there, on their seal?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What does that have to do with the price of tea?
unidentified		Well, like what Richard Hoagland talks about, Phoenix, the pyramid rising out of the ashes, you know, the Egyptian angle.
		Yes.
		FEMA has a pyramid as part of their official seal.
		That's why I say the March 13th UFO thing in Phoenix is so strange.
		It's so bizarre.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is all of that.
		But I thank you, Vince.
		I fail to see the connection to FEMA.
		I frankly fail to see a great connection to Egypt.
		I do agree.
		It is the greatest modern UFO mystery of contemporary times.
		With that statement, I agree, and it kind of went downhill after that, in my opinion.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		My name is Brian.
		I'm calling you from Boulder, Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Brian.
unidentified		K-H-O-W, I think it is.
		I always get the call letters goofed up.
		You were out here once.
		Anyway, I have a phone number that Ted Genderson once gave out over the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you'd like to have that.
		No, I have some phone numbers.
		What I need is a copy of that program.
unidentified		Yeah, I didn't tape.
		I, in fact, I used to listen to him on a little right-wing radio station.
		He got burned out up in the middle of the day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to verify something that was said on it before I proceed.
unidentified		Yeah, well, they say some pretty wild things on there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, words have meaning.
unidentified		They certainly do.
		Words really have meaning.
		And I like what you said earlier.
		You said something about politics don't always affect what we do.
		Ultimately, I think that's true.
		And politics are getting out of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, what I said was that a hell of a lot of what's going on back in Washington right now is simply irrelevant to our lives.
		You know, a lot of what they're arguing about and doing meaningless to us.
		Meaningless.
		On the other hand, when a story, thank you very much, like the one that we covered in the first hour with Chris Ruddy comes along, it demands attention.
		The funny part of it is that if you heard that first hour, I don't think there would be much attention at all except for the way they have reacted.
		X-rays destroyed.
		X-rays missing.
		Lieutenant Colonel talks.
		Lieutenant Colonel gets put under virtual house arrest.
		Another Lieutenant Colonel gets so angry at what has happened that he joins the first Lieutenant Colonel in telling this story.
		You know, that is a potential, or to me, it's an indication of the kind of stonewalling that is to hide something.
		Something very potentially serious.
		Potentially even a capital crime.
		Now, it may not be that, but their reaction is certainly very, very suspicious, isn't it?
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Ark.
		This is Janina in Chicago.
		Hi, Darrell.
		Hi.
		I have a question or a comment about Neil's theory, and I also had a question for you regarding Father Malachi Martin.
		Hi.
		I want to sort of extend what people were saying about thinking that these psychic abilities really still can be used for evil.
		And by the way, I'm not any kind of right-wing person.
		But anyway, what about those people who purport to practice black magic in the context of the victim, as it were, not being aware that anything is being done, so that the power of suggestion isn't coming into play there?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I disagree with Neil in that area, and I think that these things are powers that may be developed and then used for good or bad.
unidentified		Well, and then, and now this comment kind of goes along with my next question.
		If you're going to accept the possibility of spiritual evolution through reincarnation, it would seem that one of the things that we are meant to do is learn sort of right action and discrimination, and a lot of that is through mistakes, and it would seem that it would be, that would apply to the metaphysical as well as the physical level.
		So, you know, if you're saying, you see what I'm saying?
		Right.
		So that if you're saying that none of this could happen unless you're doing good, that sort of mixes the whole karma and spiritual evolution angle as a learning process.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't reject it.
unidentified		Sure.
		My other question, I heard of Nalachai Martin for the first time when he was on your show this week.
		I was wondering if you ever had a chance to ask him, he said, of course, that he does not believe in reincarnation.
		And did you ever get a chance to ask him whether he is taking that position solely because that is the current position of the Catholic Church or whether he sort of feels that prayer is sort of a revelatory experience for him and that's kind of direct information that he's gotten?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I can't speak for him, but I'm sure that he would say that he believes that as an article of faith, his faith.
unidentified		But I mean, I was just wondering if you have ever asked him a question like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure, I have asked him any number of times, thank you, whether he disagrees with something or another with regard to church doctrine, and the answer in many cases has been yes.
		I have never tested his personal belief with regard to reincarnation against the church position, but of course there will be yet another interview without a doubt with Malachi Martin, and I would be glad to do that for you.
		Wildcard line, you're on here.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing?
		Okay.
		Yeah, Art.
		I just want to call and officially apologize the other night to you and Peter Davenport for saying what I did about him not possibly being a governmental wild black project operative.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Disinformation agent.
unidentified		Yeah, I want to apologize.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I found out I couldn't use the nine-cent line MCI long-distance dialing line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's why I was getting the busy signal all well wouldn't you wouldn't you think that it was kind of a leap from having A problem with your phone to accusing him of being a disinformation agent just because you couldn't get through.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was a pure frustration of the event of seeing the UFOs and then not being able to inform anyone, even from MUFOR.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, then, in behalf of Peter Davenport, I accept the apology.
		I thought it was atrocious of you at the time to suggest simply because you were getting a busy signal that he was a disinformation agent.
		That is a leap beyond even what I can contemplate into the blackness of illogic.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, Arth, this is Kim in Austin, Texas, listening on KJFK FN.
		Yes, sir.
		I think your guest tonight raised some really important questions about the inherent but usually latent abilities of the human brain.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I quite agree.
unidentified		During the early 80s, I was living in Dallas, Texas.
		And at that time, this drug called NDMA was widely distributed.
		I think starting in Dallas back at that time, and at that time it was legal.
		And I can tell you, I am convinced that the human mind has really different abilities than I think that can be accessed through meditation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was MDMA?
unidentified		MDMA, ecstasy.
unidentified		If you remember back in the early 80s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I recall now, yes.
		Ecstasy, the strong term.
		But you know what?
		I never really quite understood what it was.
unidentified		You can't explain it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		You cannot explain the feeling.
unidentified		When he was talking, or your guest was talking earlier tonight about the drive to do things for the whole group instead of just for yourself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		That is the exact feeling that that particular substance induced in people.
		I mean, a wide variety of people could get together and they would all have that same feeling of closeness, of wanting to relate with the other people.
		It was, you didn't even feel drunk, high, anything like that.
		It was just this major feeling of connecting with other people.
		And so all I'm saying is I really think that non governmental groups or doctors or research groups or whatever should be allowed to study all the different avenues of processes or ways that people in society can move more towards that kind of group consciousness,
		that frame of mind where people feel connected to each other and want to help each other.
		And I'm telling you, I mean, it is absolutely real.
		It is absolutely real.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't, okay, I don't rule that out either.
		And what he's talking about is a chemical path to achieve what Neil Slade was talking about doing mentally, what originally Neil Slade talked about doing with electrical probes and stimulation.
		This caller talks about the pharmacology angle, and I don't rule that out either.
		It just seems to me that if you're going to experiment, the safest, clearest beginning that you could make would be the one described by Neil Slade, and I absolutely don't rule that out.
		The only problem I had with his entire presentation was his apparent insistence that it could not be used, this power once acquired, for less than fully ethical or moral reasons.
		I have great doubts about that.
		It may well be that an ethical, moral person could not imagine that, but like any power, I think it could be wielded in many directions.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Yeah, full art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rich in San Jose.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Rich.
unidentified		How are you, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Good.
unidentified		I just wanted to let you know that I still haven't got my fidgets yet, and I think he bunked out on us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me tell you what he claims.
		He claims all the fidgets are going out, that he got way behind, got buried, and has sent some out, not all, but they all will eventually go out.
		Now, I'll tell you this.
		Mr. Fidget will not see the light of day on my program until I start getting phone calls from people saying, gee, I got my fidget.
		And I'll be the first one to call you.
unidentified		I was the first one to put the order in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I'll look for your call, and the moment I hear from you and people like you that fidgets are arriving, then Mr. Fidget and I will again communicate.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Thank you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, sir.
		Take care.
		East of the Rockies, you are on air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Tom in Rock Island.
		Yes, sir.
		Illinois, up to the U.C. Right.
		I've backed you a few times about psychic healing.
		Yes.
		And I don't know if you had seen them or not.
		I'm sure I did.
		Okay, but what I want to do is just give a couple examples that people can test themselves on.
		And one of them, I'd like to give an analogy here that we've all experienced when we were children and stuff in school, is where we felt someone was staring at us.
unidentified		We turned around and we found that they were.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
		And this is the concentration of energy.
		That's a good point.
		Okay, and it's backed by the desire.
		Let's say, for example, somebody was angry at someone.
		So that proves two things.
		One, yes, there is something.
		And two, yes, it can be used negatively.
		I think that you have proven your point exquisitely well.
unidentified		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The man is exactly right.
		How many times in your life have you thought you were alone and yet had an intense, strong feeling that somebody was observing you, watching you?
		And you turn around And sure enough, there they are.
		Now, what is that?
		Intuition?
		A lighter form of precognition?
		Exactly what Neil Slake was talking about.
		Its uses, I think, are many.
		I'm Ardel, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		This is Post to Coast AM with Art Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here is a fact from Lee.
		Thank you, Lee.
		How do you art?
unidentified		I tried it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I tickled that area as per your guest's instructions and almost immediately began to laugh uncontrollably.
		Belly laughs, guaws.
		It could be heard throughout the house.
		Even now, almost 45 minutes later, I still feel strangely elevated.
		There definitely is something going on here.
		Well, the basis of Anil Slade's presentation tonight I found rather compelling.
		And I think that a great deal of what he said has a basis in truth.
		It simply makes sense, if you've got a chance to hear most of it.
		It simply makes sense.
		The only argument, as I now endlessly repeat that I have with it, is its ultimate use.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm looking for art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you found them.
		Oh, I'm the only one.
		We don't screen quality, see.
		We just, you know.
unidentified		Yeah, I knew that, but I just do a commercial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's because you're listening to your radio.
unidentified		Well, Art, that was an interesting show tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I have a related experience to what he talked about, and that is that for about 20 years, off and on, I've loved to play blackjack.
		And it's not a machine, you know, it's people.
		And I've found that when I'm in the right mood, I've had incredible, incredible streaks of winning hands, you know, 20, 30 at a time.
		And I've always wondered, how did I do that, you know, and tried to recreate that.
		And I've been able to do it sometimes.
		You know, I actually have some control over it.
		And it's got a lot to do with being in a good mood and not being too surprised when you get four 21s in a row and things like that.
		Most of the other people at the table, of course, are just unbelievable.
		They can't believe it.
		I've had dealers go, it's on 321, you know, and create a ruckus, actually.
		That was just one thing.
		And I think that if you contact that part of your brain or you're using that part of your brain, I think you actually change reality because those cards aren't the machine.
		Well, I agree with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm almost hesitant to talk about this, but, you know, I'm in Nevada where we have gaming.
		It's just legal here.
		And there are times when I walk by machines and something inside me tells me, go play.
		Now, I hardly ever, you know, I'm the kind of guy who, I don't believe in gambling.
		I don't believe in gambling.
		But everybody here just about will occasionally drop a quarter in a machine.
		And I am so far ahead in the years that I've lived in Nevada by doing that, by only going to a machine when I feel like it.
		When I feel I'm drawn to it, that something's going to happen.
		And more times than not, it does.
		Now, I don't want to encourage anybody out there into gambling.
		I'm just telling you that what you felt, what you think you can do.
		I believe that you are correct.
		I believe Neil Slade is correct.
		The problem, of course, is that people then think they can continue to do this, and I don't do it except when I feel it.
		If you push it and sit there at the table trying to push it, then they're going to win because that's how they build big casinos.
unidentified		Well, you're absolutely right, because as well as I can lose or win 20 hands in a row, I can also lose 20 hands.
unidentified		Be particular.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
unidentified		The woman next to me, the grandmother next to me, she can go, you know, win one, lose one, win one, lose one.
		I go in streaks because of this.
		Yeah.
		You know, and I'm tuned into it, and I have to realize when I'm tuned out of it.
		Because you can use it.
		It can be used against you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the hard part.
		I appreciate the call, sir.
		Thank you.
		That verifies, in a way, what Neil Slade was saying.
		The hard part is not doing it when it's not there.
		And that's where almost everybody fails, and that's how they build these great big casinos.
		Right?
		First time call on the line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello?
		Hello.
		Hi.
		Hi.
		That's the first time I called, so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, well, then let us go through the basics.
		Yes, we're on the air.
		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll wait while you do that.
unidentified		All right, hang on.
unidentified		Hanging.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You should have the radio near your phone because it will confuse you horrendously hearing yourself six seconds later.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now you can function normally.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What's on your mind?
unidentified		Well, I just found on the Internet, I'm listening to the Internet, and I just found it, and I was kind of interested in it because...
unidentified		The Art Bell Show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, where are you?
unidentified		I'm in California.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		California.
		All right.
		Well, that's right.
unidentified		We're on the Internet.
		Okay.
		Are you not live right now on the Internet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would presume we are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		This is Art Bell now.
		I'm the only one here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's me.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Well, then I guess we're live.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Now we've got all that established.
		What can I do for you, sir?
unidentified		Sorry about that.
		Well, anyways, I was listening to the show, and what I was noticing is that there is a little thought of mine about pieces missing in the whole concept that you were talking about on making things occur with your thoughts and stuff.
		And that is the doubts that we have programmed in our minds throughout our entire lives or the things that kind of creep in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, that's really what we're working on.
		Okay, thank you.
		That's exactly what Neil Slade was talking about.
		That we are conditioned with the noise and the demands of modern society, work, marriages, families, things that go wrong, pipes to fix, the everyday things of life, that we rarely move into a mode where we can begin to develop these things.
		So you are exactly right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I'm calling on KSTP here in Minnesota.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		This is Emo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		And I'm just going to say something here real quick.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I remember like a couple years ago, you had this one guy on there that you were interviewing who said that he lived with Bigfoots, how they're interdimensional, how he's seen one doing CPR before, and cameras don't work on them because of radioactive backup.
unidentified		And it was more of like a real fun, fun show to listen to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember that, yeah.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was wondering, have you ever heard from him, or how is he doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Living with the Bigfoots.
unidentified		I was imagining that, but I was just thinking about that, and that was a fun, funny show to listen to.
unidentified		But enjoy the show, and have a nice night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Me too, Deck here.
		Probably living happily ever after, integrated with Bigfoot society.
		I don't know.
		East of the Rockies, you're on air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hi, Art.
		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Listen, I've been listening to you for the past couple months or so.
		I was privileged to find you.
		I put together what I think is going on, including discontinuity, UFOs, government cover-up, the big secret, panic altering.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You can fit all that into one AND.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		I figured out.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Seriously.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it?
unidentified		A DNA helix has been removed.
unidentified		We are being controlled by a very, very technologically advanced...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		Because I believe what I'm saying.
unidentified		I have all of you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you know, then you shouldn't be nervous at all.
unidentified		I'm not used to talking on the radio.
		I'm used to selling it.
		I used to sell radio for a living, but I got out of it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anyway, DNA helix has been removed, and we're controlled by a very advanced what?
unidentified		An extremely advanced intelligence that comes from, I believe, a place near the Pleiades.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me interject here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What makes you believe all this?
unidentified		Well, I'll talk about intuition.
		I have opened myself up to the concept.
		I've embraced the concept that we are not alone for a long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I mean is, how do you?
unidentified		I've never been visited or abducted or anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're doing this intuitively.
unidentified		Yes, I am.
unidentified		I live right in between two Great Lakes in a little place called Wiston, New York.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		All my life, I grew up in Niagara Falls.
		I live out here in a suburb now.
		And I have led a very interesting life.
		Both my parents died by the time I was 10 years old.
		I come from a very large family that's extremely dysfunctional, but intuitively psychic.
		Incredibly.
		We get this from my mother's side of the family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it seems like a lot of dysfunctional people are psychic.
unidentified		Well, we go hand in hand because we don't know how to deal with each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What I mean to ask you is, how do you know that what you are intuitively feeling is real as opposed to something that you're cooking up in your own mind?
unidentified		There's much, much, much too much scientific evidence to prove it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		For example.
unidentified		Pick a topic, cover-up.
		Why have they not wanted us to find this out?
		Because the powers that be have controlled us for a long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a theory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's not scientific evidence.
unidentified		Talking about a bunch of gold diggers, like you mentioned to your friend the other day who was talking about the Sumerians.
unidentified		That's all true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
unidentified		That's absolutely true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In Iraq, all right.
		Well, listen, I appreciate your call, but I really object to the presentation of something as fact.
		I'm willing to consider anything.
		But when you say, I've got scientific evidence that proves it, and I say, okay, for example, what?
		And then you present a theory rather than a fact, I begin to have a problem with that.
		I thought the man who discussed, my guest who discussed that theory of evolution was absolutely fascinating.
		Do I embrace that automatically as fact and claim scientific evidence for it?
		No, I do not.
		And so I sort of object to the way you approach this call.
		If you want to call and say something is a theory and you want to present it as that, then we've got common ground to talk.
		If you call and say, my theory is fact and proven scientifically, and then I ask you for the science that you just said, and what I get is a theory, then we part our ways.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hey, Art, how you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doing fine.
unidentified		Good, good.
unidentified		This is James from Hollywood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, James.
unidentified		I sent you a couple weeks ago.
		I don't really know what I'm going to tell you, but a couple weeks ago I sent you a facts.
		I saw this crazy thing over the skies in L.A. And it was like I had a little animation, or not an animation, but a little illustration in the facts.
		I referenced first contact.
		Did you anyway?
		I sent you a facts.
		It was like a couple weeks ago, before the night that there was the big sighting over Seattle.
		It was actually a week before that Friday.
		I was sitting on Melrose in Hollywood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, but I get hundreds and hundreds of faxes.
unidentified		Right.
		Right.
		Anyway, so how's it going?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
unidentified		Okay.
		All right.
		Well, anyway, no, I just called to I missed the show tonight, pretty much.
		I'm going to catch it on the replay.
		But I was wondering if you could just briefly give me the lowdown on that how the guy called in and said he tickled the area or whatever?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, I really couldn't do that briefly.
unidentified		No, it's not a brief thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, well, we laid it out over a period of three hours.
		So, no.
		Well, let me see.
		Could I do it in a nutshell?
		Basically, Neil Slade described a mental way for you to turn on the area of your brain that allows things like telekinesis, telepathy, those sorts of things, which Princeton University, by the way, has, I believe, and they believe, proven beyond any shadow of a doubt to be true, that our brains can do these things.
		And Neil Slade simply came up with a way for you without invasive surgery or something like that to be able to flip the switch that allows you to enter those areas.
		That's best I can do in a nutshell.
		First time caller line, you're on here.
		Hi.
unidentified		Oh, I'd like to relate an experience that I had when Lee R. Harvey Oswald got shot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you coming from, sir?
		Minneapolis.
		First time caller, huh?
		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I've listened for quite a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Quite interested.
		This has been an experience that I've related to very few people, but I was about 18 miles from my home, and I went to work on a Sunday morning and doing a lot of extra work preparing for Monday.
		And I had the radio on, and I heard a news flash that they were going to release Lee Harvey Oswald from the jail and transfer him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, not release, you mean transfer, yeah.
unidentified		No.
		And all of a sudden, I got this feeling of just hot sweat.
		And I knew that he was going to be shot.
		And I called my wife.
		I said, mother, put that television on.
		I'm coming home as fast as I can get there.
		They're going to kill Lee Harvey Oswald.
		And I got in that car and I flew with that car as fast as I could get home, turned on the TV and just sat there and just swept.
		And I just knew that it was going to happen.
		And this is the experience that I had.
		So I've had three others exactly the same situations, only in different cases, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that would be a case, sir, of thank you, precognition.
		And yes, these things are real.
		I too, as I explained in some painful detail earlier, have had something like that occur to me, so they are real.
		The question is, how do we actually access these areas?
		How do we promote these abilities?
		And I think Neil Slade is on to something.
		AR, check out CNN Headline News for a rather disturbing report about dolphins off the coast of Florida having a rare and very deadly cancer, yet another bite on the butt from Mother Nature.
		Are you feeling sometimes these days that the quickening is happening just a little too quickly for comfort?
		Yes, Stephan, I am.
		But that was the whole point of the book in the first place.
		And it's a lot more than a book.
		It's actually a process that is underway right now.
		Dolphins, I will check into it.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Mike from Chicago on WLS.
		Hi, Mike.
		About Neil's the one thing that you had a problem with Neil's theory was that he claims it can only be used for good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
unidentified		And I think the problem there is maybe just that Neil hasn't really investigated that area too much and certainly would like to believe that it's used for good because the power is basically good, but not in the human sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought the rest of his presentation was right on the money.
unidentified		Yeah, well, good and evil are typically exclusively human terms.
unidentified		We don't find that sort of concept probably in the animal kingdom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It may well be that Neil, or the good in Neil, could not imagine this to be used for anything evil.
unidentified		That's certainly the way that he would feel naturally.
		But when you become enlightened, you discover that good and evil are more than just are simply man's concepts and that basically nature, the good in nature is the fact that it does things naturally.
		And if you become enlightened, you tend not to care about doing evil things.
		You don't necessarily care about doing good things.
		You just care about doing enlightened things.
		The only way that you could use this power for evil is if you became enlightened through the pursuit of, say, evil, like a magician or a witch or something like that.
		Sure.
		And then you discovered this power, you'll become enlightened, but still are on the track of evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think you're right on the money.
		And I very much appreciate the call.
		I see I'm behind, so we'll be right back.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hello.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		All right, this is Haley in Oxford, Michigan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi there.
unidentified		I'd like to tell you that I'm really looking forward to your acquisition of a new station here in the Detroit area.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're on the way.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Boy, trying to listen to that Philadelphia station is really hit and miss.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, from Michigan, I can imagine it would be.
unidentified		Yeah.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to emphasize what one of your last callers said about the dualistic nature of creation.
		We have positive and negative aspects and human view of taking the negative bad and the positive good.
		But it takes two ends of the same stick, you know, to create this illusion that we perceive as reality.
		So he's right on the money that it's primarily what we hope to be the right case.
		There's also people have a, there's a left-hand approach to God as well as a right-hand approach.
		And I'm just wondering what your friend Harlot will have to say about her abilities with regard to this process you're talking about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as I said to a caller, I think yesterday, I now have somebody who has sent me a fax who claims that Harlot compared to her is a Girl Scout.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sure that those people are out there, you know, one of the greatest proponents of the Buddhist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, sir, I would love.
		I wish we could continue, but my program is over.
		There is only time for you to say, you know, get the honors.
neil slade ▲ ● ▼		Good night, everybody.
unidentified		You're listening to Hart Bell from the Kingdom of Night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the way to do it.

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