Dan Sherman, a former Air Force Security Police officer turned NSA "intuitive communicator," claims Project Preserve Destiny (PPD) genetically altered him in the womb after his mother’s 1960/61 abduction to enable non-electromagnetic alien communication, using sine waves and abstract data like coordinates and pain metrics. He left in April 1995 after being told he’d never discharge honorably, with no implants or scars, though he speculates about demonic involvement due to his Pentecostal background. Sherman’s book, Above Black, avoids prosecution by focusing only on "gray program" details, distributed via mail order and websites like aboveblack.com and earthworld.com (PPD@earthworld.com). His account suggests a deeply compartmentalized, decades-long effort to decode alien interactions—raising questions about humanity’s role in an unseen cosmic experiment. [Automatically generated summary]
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This is Coast to Coast A.M. I'm Art Bell.
And this night, we will talk with a man named Dan Sherman.
Dan Sherman, who has authored a book called Above Black.
Now, we'll tell you a little bit about this.
Above Black is a first-person account of alien conduct, insider accounts of alien contact.
In other words, not something he heard from somebody else, but something he did himself.
And of course, government cover-up is one man's deeply personal involvement with a highly classified alien communication government program.
The author of the book spent more than two years communicating with two alien contacts while working for the National Security Agency, NSA, as a, this is in quotes, intuitive communicator.
A Bon Black is one of the few books ever written providing a first-hand account of the government's contact with aliens.
The author can be verified to have held numerous high-level security clearances and assignments at suspect locations, which lends a very great deal of credibility to this fascinating account.
From abductions to catastrophic future events, the subjects discussed in about black will capture the intellect and emotion of even the most skeptical reader.
And tonight, we'll see what it does for listeners.
A Dan Sherman grew up in Northern California and Oregon.
He enlisted in the Air Force in September of 1982.
And after serving seven years as a security policeman, he retrained, I remember a lot of us did that in the Air Force, retrained into the electronic intelligence field.
It was during this time that he was indoctrinated into Project Preserve Destiny, one of our nation's most closely held alien contact programs.
Now, what do you suppose Project Preserve Destiny might be?
Well, we'll find out.
As an electronic intelligence specialist in the United States Air Force, Sherman has held some of the highest level security clearances in the nation.
Top secret, special compartmental information, code words, secret, special, we did that, compartmental information, well, mostly all is mobile, significance.
More importantly, his role as an intuitive communicator for the National Security Agency, NSA, has given him a unique perspective on the subject of governmental cover-ups regarding official alien contact.
So, to say the least, this should be very, very interesting.
And we will talk with Dan Sherman in a moment.
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All right, and so we begin another week with Dan Sherman up in Oregon.
Dan, this, you know, what I just read about you and what you have done is pretty incredible stuff.
You're telling us, let me just ask you up front that I read this correctly, that you had direct contact with aliens with regard to your time in the Air Force.
You actually worked in a program in contact with aliens, right?
First off, to understand the classification system and how the government is able to keep all of this hidden so effectively, you have to understand what's called the onion effect.
And this is how it was described to me and how I understood it when I was in the military.
There are different levels of classification, obviously, and they correspond to different names, too.
And hence the name of the book, Above Black.
You probably are familiar with a book that came out a while back called Above Top Secret.
Yeah, A black project is a project that is hidden from not only the public's view, but most of the government as well.
And top secret is only hidden from a need to know basis, the public, and to a certain degree, the government, but a lot of people in the government know about it because they have a need to know.
Whereas a gray program, there are very, very, very few people who have a need to know and therefore don't know.
I speculate that certain presidents throughout the history since the first contact, and I don't know when the first contact was, and we'll get into this in a little bit, but I feel that certain presidents probably have known about it, but only because their involvement in collateral type of things had to come into play.
So I don't believe that the current president knows about it.
Well, you know, actually, they don't really even look at that.
I think they just look at your test scores and to make sure that you can, you know, do the job.
But I do feel that there was, I mean, obviously because of my abilities and because of the history of the program, I felt that I was directed towards a certain career path.
I also think that it perhaps went awry when I first went in.
And I can't remember exactly what went on, but I know there was a bunch of hoopla with my paperwork when I first came in.
And I was supposed to go into another career field, and I couldn't do it in last minute.
Because a lot of people have asked me, since the story has broke, why didn't the military or whoever was in charge of this, why didn't they direct you into that career field in the first place?
Now, the recruiters would, of course, give you a battery of tests and determine that you were qualified to go into the service, and then give you a battery of tests to determine what you would best be suited for.
Well, actually, my test scores, I qualified for every job the Air Force had at the time.
And so I was going into another career field, and I really can't remember what that career field was at the time, but I just wanted to go in the military.
I didn't care, you know, actually specifically in the Air Force.
Because earlier on in my childhood, I knew an SR-71 pilot who I was really familiar with, and he very much was very encouraging to go into the military or go into the Air Force.
So anyway, ever since I was a child, I wanted to go in the Air Force.
So the paperwork got kind of messed up, and I did actually go into the security police career field.
But then there were some influencing factors throughout my security police stay that led me to the electronic intelligence career field.
When I went in, I went in to the Air Force, specifically wanted to go into the Air Force, had a deep electronics background, and qualified in every way except for a little test they would give you regarding colorblindness.
I've got a slight bit of colorblindness, and that ruled me out for electronics, so I ended up being a medic in the Air Force.
So I'm well familiar with how it kind of gets screwed up at the beginning there.
And he didn't even want to meet me at the school that I was going to, which was the Fan X complex, which is down the road from the actual NSA compound.
He didn't even want me to meet me there.
He wanted to meet me at the actual NSA headquarters.
And so that was kind of odd, too.
But, okay, no problem.
So I followed his directions and finally got to the entrance to the building that he told me about.
And he met me there at the gate, and we checked in for some security clearance paperwork that hadn't arrived yet and did a bunch of that stuff.
And finally, we decided that he had to escort me into the building because I didn't have my security clearances there yet.
He escorted me into the building and we went into his office.
And his office is a little interesting to get into.
It had a couple of security procedures that were a little high for already in a highly guarded place to begin with.
So anyway, we got in there and he proceeded to tell me that I was part of a genetic experiment.
And mind you, this is just totally out of the blue.
Well, actually, by the time that it got to me and that my DNA was manipulated because of it, by the time it had gotten to me, it wasn't an experiment anymore.
But he started with the experimental phase.
He said that in 1960 there was an well, let me back up a little bit further.
He said that due to our contact with an alien species or alien entity in 1947.
Now, I'll remind you that 1947 wasn't as popular as it is now.
So that really didn't strike a bell with me until later on when all the Roswell stuff was breaking the news and all that.
So anyway, he said that due to the contact, in concert with the government, the aliens were starting a genetic management, that's what they called it, genetic management experiments in 1960.
And by 1963, it had been, I guess, got into the final phase of it.
And they actually started to genetically manipulate human offspring.
And for the reason of to be able to communicate with them intuitively.
And now this, of course, I asked a lot of questions.
And one of the questions I asked was, why?
You know, obviously.
And he said, I really don't know why, specifically.
We have been told, and I have been told, that you're going to provide a worldwide communications link in the event that all electromagnetic energy is going to be completely eliminated in the future, at some future date.
So I just sat there, you know, of course, this is a lot to chew on.
I mean, during the experimental phase, this is what was explained to me.
During the experimental phase, they actually abducted women to test their DNA for some sort of genetic predisposition or genetic type of compatibility.
And that I want to be straight on this, and that human women, first of all, that we had had contact, apparently, obviously, made some sort of deal or arrangement with this alien race or races, and that human women were abducted for genetic manipulation reasons.
Dan, one part of this that people are going to have a hard time understanding is why somebody would be plucked from the beginning of a change of career in the Air Force, ELENT, electronic work, electromagnetic interception work, for something like this.
Why do you think they would randomly, particularly randomly, choose you for this?
The genetic, the genetic experimentation began in 1960.
My mother had been, or that's what he said anyway, he said, my mother was abducted in, I can't remember the initial abduction, I think it was 1960 or 61, something like that.
And then when the actual genetic manipulation or genetic management phase started in 1963, they actually took my mother again and while I was in the womb, genetically managed my DNA.
She knows that I, actually, she doesn't even know that it's out yet, but she knows that I'm writing a book about my military experiences.
My mother is not the one or the type that's going to be listening to this type of stuff.
At some point in the future, she may come across it because, you know, some friends or whatever, but I'll just have to deal with that at the time, I guess.
And I'm assuming they played some sort of statistical roulette, so to speak, because in order for them to get people into the program, you know, from the people that were genetically managed, and then actually out of those people, all the ones that go into the military.
And then out of those ones that go into the military that happen to get into career fields, that they can hold high-level security clearances and work on black projects around the gray project.
And again, the purpose of this manipulation, you were told, was so that Communication would continue with this alien race, even if other electromagnetic means all failed?
The impression that was left to me was that I would provide a worldwide communication link for our government so that our government can continue to operate, so to speak.
He just, he told me exactly what the background was, and he said that I was, while I was there, I would be going through a school at night to uncover these abilities.
And during the day, I'd be going to my regular school.
Well, that's a hefty chapter in the book right there.
It was interacting with a computer terminal.
I guess that's the best way I can describe it.
I would sit at the computer terminal at a computer screen, and I had headphones on, and my instructor would interface with me through the headphones, and I never saw my instructor.
He would describe to me what I was supposed to do, and then he would leave me alone for like hours at a time, sometimes days at a time, you know, until I had mastered the tasks that I was told to do.
There were ten boxes within the computer screen that I was looking at, and there were sort of like LED boxes.
And there was a baseline that went through it, and then a sine wave that went, you know, it's like an oscilloscope, a sine wave that went, intersected a baseline.
My first task was to look at the first box, listen to the tone that was going in my earphones, and there was a constant tone in there, and I was told to mentally hum the tone.
Not vocally, but mentally try to find that tone in your mind.
And there would be ten of these, and you would have to manipulate finally each one by clicking on it or coming in harmony with it or however you want to put it.
I had a little box in the, well, no, actually, we first went to numbers.
We went to numbers, and I would be told a number in my earphones, and then there would be a certain combination of lines being flattened, and I could sense these lines being flattened, too, the intuitive part of it.
And my mind could just relate to what was going on, and it memorized what was going on.
I mean, instantly.
It wasn't like a normal memorization process where it was over and over and over and over, you know, how we learn basically by rote.
It wasn't like that.
And then once we got up to about, I think it was up to 100, I actually knew what the combinations were.
It's just like English, you know, if you know how to count to 100, basically you can count to anything.
So then I first learned numbers, and then I learned text.
I would read text, and the lines would flatten in a certain combination.
And it wasn't, I can't equate it to adjectives and adverbs and all the structure of a sentence.
But certain concepts, when concepts came across the screen, I could relate to them in the boxes.
Again, it was a very, very difficult thing to explain.
No, but it's very intriguing because I can see how they would be leading you through a process, a mental process, to develop something that is latent or an ability that they knew you had.
I could sense, every day I can sense this flower unfolding.
And it was really of no power of my own.
I mean, all I had to do was sit there and look at all this stuff and take it in.
And the ability would grow and grow and grow and leapfrog on itself.
And it got to the point where I really couldn't even control the growth of it.
It was just exponential every day.
And to the point where at the end, I would look at videos.
They would show me videos of children playing in a schoolyard and beach scenes and a lot of military scenes too, rockets going up and things like that.
And by that time, I could intuitively manipulate the lines to describe what was going on.
We are having a substantial amount of rain in the desert tonight, and we are experiencing the first of a continuing line of storms coming in from California.
And so there are certain things that are a little strange this evening with the rain.
We don't get it frequently in the desert, and when we do, strange things occur.
Well, I was assuming that I was training for what they had told me about providing worldwide communication link.
I was told also that I would be to, in order to keep my ability in practice, so to speak, or to keep it up to date or, you know, to keep in practice, I would be communicating with an alien contact.
No, unfortunately, I mean, it's in my records and everybody can, it's very accessible.
But there are, and this goes back to the onion effect, in order to keep this thing under wraps, so to speak, what they do is they co-locate it with what you would call a black project.
And they do this because if you release any gray information, you will probably, by extension, release some black information.
And the release of black information is what they can and will prosecute you on.
And thereby silencing you, at the same time, not giving any credibility to the gray information.
Well, it's a paperwork thing, or it's an organizational thing.
Yeah, to you and me outside on the outside world, you know, we can't see any reason why they would do that.
But in order to justify the budgets and to hide all the facility and everything from the inner workings of the government, they have to hide it behind a black project.
Because a black project, they can say they can brief a certain amount of people on it.
You know, the Armed Service Committee, you know, the Armed Services Congressional Committee, you know, and the intelligence committees and things like that.
They can brief people on the black project there and not have to brief them on the gray project.
If I even discuss or even say, like I am now, that I worked on a black project and during the same conversation I say that I was stationed at this particular base, that is, you're associating one with the other, and that is classified.
I know it seems minute and detail-oriented, but believe me, I have to stay as far away from prosecution as possible.
And that's, incidentally, that's why the, right now anyway, at this present stage of the game, that's why the book isn't available in stores.
We haven't got a distributor.
We're only doing it through mail order and through the internet because I don't want to sign any contracts that are going to, they're going to, that I have to continue to have it available because I don't know when the government's going to step on this and take it away from me.
And then, of course, I'll be a breach of contracts and all that stuff.
So I have to keep complete control of it.
Now, at a later date, when I find that there's nothing going to happen, then we'll probably do that.
I'm going to be completely honest and say there are financial constraints involved with it.
You know, I'm trying to put myself through school, and I know that it's a very, very marketable experience.
I know that the world is searching for that type of information.
And, you know, I don't have, this is not like a huge revelation where, you know, I have pictures of aliens and all that stuff.
My part of it was very, very compartmentalized.
I have very limited knowledge as to the whole big picture.
So I just, I want to, I'm very, very curious to find out the rest of the picture.
I want to know the picture just as much as everybody else does.
And if I bring my part of the picture out into the public and somebody else brings their picture out because, you know, they see that I've done it, maybe by default we'll start getting more of the pieces of the puzzle together.
I've only intuitively communicated with, well, other than the computer, which I have absolutely no idea how that happened, but yes, only actually I've had two alien contacts, one at my first base and one at the second base.
Yeah, I had a commander at each base, what I called my PPD commander.
You had one, the one at the NSA school that I went to, he obviously was my first one.
And he, during one of our meetings, he said that I would be handed off to my next one.
It could be either in person or vocally, but I would be handed off to the next one.
And I wasn't to discuss with anybody else, obviously.
So when I got to my first contact base, I received a phone call from the first captain, and he told me to hang up the phone, and I would receive a call within about 30 seconds of my next commander, from my next commander.
So I did, and I went down to meet him at the compound.
I kind of figured that that's who it would be, because it was a very small organization.
So I met him, and I had another one, too, at my next base.
And these are the only people, incidentally, that I ever contact, that I ever talked to or discussed with or had any knowledge of within the program.
All right, here's something that I'm not quite grasping.
If the objective of this program was to continue communications worldwide in the event of one would imagine nuclear holocaust or EMP or whatever would prevent electromagnetic communication and continue communication, then why wouldn't they have you communicating with other genetically manipulated human beings as opposed to aliens?
Yeah, the well, most of the communications was never, I don't think ever actually classified at the black level.
I mean, the actual information.
Obviously, the mode of communication was classified at the gray level.
But I was actually passed, in the beginning, I would just be passed a series of numbers.
And throughout the whole thing, I was always under the impression that I was always being tested and retested and to make sure that my abilities were keeping up to date, so to speak.
That was always my impression.
I have no way of knowing that that was the truth or not.
I analogize that by saying it's very difficult or it's as difficult to explain intuitive communications or the actual communication and how it formed in my mind and how I received it.
It's the same analogy that you would say that how do you explain a color to somebody who was born without eyes?
Yes, they would be in words, whether that be in English or Mexican or whatever.
You would describe it in a word or a language.
My challenge all the time was to receive this intuitive communication and then translate that communication into the language of us, the English language, and put it into the screen.
Now, I would receive...
Exactly, and I can.
Initially, there were numbers, so that's obviously very, very easy to understand.
Then it started to go into, I would be past launch data, like a Chinese launch would happen, and I would be past that.
I would be past just a lot of military type of information, military movements, some things I really didn't understand what they were, like, oh, temperature type of stuff throughout the world, on the other side of the world.
And I would be passed lat longs, latitude, longitudes that corresponded to them.
Very, just a whole hodgepodge of information.
Now, at the end, I was past abduction data, which is what precipitated my getting out, and that's the whole story there.
I would receive a lat-long, latitude-longitude, a time, and the disturbing ones were, and let me explain a little bit about the communication itself.
I've kind of likened it to a fabric or a tapestry.
The communications was very, very elaborate.
They were very deep in its structure, or not in structure, but in its feel, so to speak.
And I could sense not necessarily my alien contacts pain.
It wasn't pain coming from them, but I could sense pain surrounding the actual communication.
And now, these were my translations of what they sent, but I was receiving things like potentiality for recall, and it had a range that I would report.
Well, I just assumed that they would always send a number after it, and it appeared that the number would be anywhere between 1 and 100 because of the actual numbers that I was receiving.
And I just equated it to the fact that this was what the chances of the recall of the actual abduction would be.
So I would receive potentiality for recall and then a number, and it was usually a high number, so I pretty much thought that the recall potentiality wasn't real likely.
Not during my, not when I was, well, I would receive a couple of emails from my commander once in a while, but it really had nothing to do with the actual communications.
You know, my reporting of the intuitive communications.
A lot of things that I was kind of in an interesting career field and interesting jobs whereby I was treated fairly well, but not because of the gray project, but because of other lesser classified projects.
I'd kind of like to go back to the onion effect and try to get people to understand why it's very, very difficult to come out with a story like this.
The gray project is hidden behind the black project.
A black project is hidden behind top secret and code word and compartmental type of things.
And then it just goes right on down the line.
When you pass by a base, when you drive by a base, you see planes or radar dishes or whatever.
These are what you can readily see with your eyes, that's an unclassified mission.
Whatever it is that you see, that's unclassified information, obviously, because they can't hide visual things.
And then you step up into confidential and for official use only, whatever you want to call it.
And then you would go to secret and then top secret and then black and then gray.
When you have a gray project, you have to have the black project surrounding it because that is what actually protects the gray project from being found out by government officials and anybody who is doing any type of snooping around in that particular location, the base or the unit or whatever.
So there's a hierarchy of information.
And if you do release any gray information and just locations, like you were talking about, Art, just locations.
If I mention a location and the word black in the same sentence or in the same ideas, that is release of government classified information.
So I asked my gray commander if I could get out, you know, just off chance that I had control over that situation.
And he said that there would be no way that I could get out because my career field was critically manned and so on and so forth, just like what the other commanders had told me.
But this was done over email in about a two or three hour period of time, and obviously he couldn't go through the paperwork necessary to find out that I couldn't get out.
So he sent back an email message saying, no, you're critically manned and all that stuff.
Well, I sent back a message saying, well, I'm going to be getting out in November of 97 anyway, which I would have gotten out this month with my normal enlistment.
And he sent back an email message saying, you're not going to get out then either.
Well, and again, that's a legal issue that I can't really get into.
But it's a way that the military has to get people out.
And I went through it, or I did it through my unclassified chain of command.
And my classified chain of command, I know that they tried to intercede and stop it, but they couldn't because of the nature of my discharge, why I was getting out.
So it was very interesting.
It was very tense moments, a very tense couple months where I was back and forth as to whether I was getting out, and it was just like a point of no return.
Getting back to what you had just mentioned, I did ask one time, because I was kind of curious about the future of the Project Preserve Destiny and why I was doing it and if I could get a little bit more information from them.
And every time I brought Preserve Destiny up, they always, and this was actually my second one, which was Bones, he always signed off and wouldn't discuss it.
One time, and I can't remember how we got in or how I asked it or how the discussion started, but he did say that the Earth is in its very early formative stages and that we could expect a lot of different changes.
And that was all that I got out of it as far as what the future of Preserved Destiny is and what's going to precipitate the electromagnetic communication loss, if it's going to happen at all, which maybe I was just fed that as the cover story for the project.
And maybe that wasn't it.
Who knows?
But let's look at what are the things that could knock out electromagnetic communications.
I read a lot of books, and I tried to educate myself on it.
But I came to the conclusion that if this were true and that we were doing it to provide the worldwide communication link and we started it back in 1960, how could they have the knowledge that we were going to get into a nuclear war at a certain time in the future?
Or it might be something like one of my guests suggested, like Greg Braden, who is suggesting that the electro, or Rather, the magnetic field of the Earth has decreased exponentially, while the Schumann resonance frequency has been increasing.
And there will come a time, he says, when we will not have electromagnetics as we, or a magnetic field as we now understand it, and that would, of course, halt all communication.
I wasn't familiar with that, but yeah, there's so many scenarios that people have discussed and have been bantered about, pole shifting, and there's all kinds of things that can knock the electromagnetic communications out of whack.
But that was one of the things that I discussed with them.
I discussed some other things like time.
I've always been interested in time, in the concept of time, ever since I was a kid.
And of course, when this opportunity arose, I tried to bring it up as much as possible to try to learn a little bit more about it.
But whenever I discussed time or asked a question about time, and we actually got into a question and answer session on it, I really was very, very inundated with information.
I could not understand what they were talking about when they were talking about time.
When it came to their mode of travel, I talked about that a little bit.
And one of the things that I remember him saying is that he couldn't go backward and forward in time because time is a relative thing.
And in order to go forward or backward, you'd have to have a fixed point.
And my guest is Dan Sherman with quite a story, and I'll try and summarize it in a moment and then allow you to ask questions.
Now, I will try and summarize what we've got.
Dan Sherman is with us.
He was a military policeman, Air Force Security Police, for seven years or so, and at that time was approached by somebody at NSA after a career field change to electronic intelligence at that seven-year point.
And he was trained at a special facility at NSA in a very, very interesting way.
It is the most interesting part of his story, I believe, to communicate intuitively.
They sat him down in front of a computer screen, which had 10 little boxes in it with a flat line and then a sine wave traversing that flat line.
And without any connection, bio-connection, to Dan, he finally was able to learn to, in effect, connect with these frequencies.
He would hear a tone and learn to flatten that line.
And this was a method they used after picking him to teach him to, in effect, communicate with others.
In this case, he says, aliens.
Now, the reason he was picked for all of this was he was in the military, and his mother had been abducted in 1960 or 61, if I'm tracking this properly.
And the reason for all of this was global communications in case electromagnetic communication would fail for whatever reason you could imagine that might occur.
I never received communications via dreams, but it's interesting that you should bring that up because right after, or during and right after I was going through school and I was awakening this ability, I was having incredibly lucid dreams, more so than I've ever had.
And it was very interesting.
I explained it in the book, but it was like it was a dream within a dream.
I would be dreaming that I was dreaming in reality within my dream.
And I would wake up and wonder, okay, now is this part of my dream?
Because my dreams are so lucid.
Parts of it were so lucid that I would think that I was still awake.
It was very, very confusing.
And I had never gone through that prior to that date.
And I'd say about two or three months after I got out of the school, they subsided and it didn't happen anymore.
I say this is a really good thing because I've been through this myself, and that's what I was wanting to know because I do have periods of time where it just turns off, and I don't seem to get any kind of communication whatsoever, and makes you wonder and question what was going on.
So I just wanted to let you know, you're not the only one here.
Well, you know, I mentioned earlier there were perhaps thousands and even more so of people who were genetically managed for this particular procedure.
Now, the PPD aspect of it was during those years, so I was told, and actually the experiment or the stand for?
And, of course, that would probably answer the second question.
I don't believe I have any of that type of paraphernalia hanging around the body.
I don't have any unusual marks or scars or anything like that.
But I really don't have any memory of being abducted.
I think the only time I've been abducted is when I was in the womb, so I obviously wouldn't have any memory of that.
And am I sure that I was communicating with aliens?
That question has been asked to me many times, and the only answer that I can have is, no, I'm not sure, obviously.
I was communicating with something, but the nature of the communications was such that I had no question that it was not of human intelligence.
But do I know that for sure?
No.
Do I know that it wasn't artificial intelligence of some sort?
No, I don't know.
But again, the feel and the interesting nature and just the whole aspect of the communication was just so utterly fascinating and abstract and completely different than how we even think.
You know, they weren't even thinking the way we think in complex or in terms of structure and sentence and all that stuff.
It was just completely different, completely different feel.
So answer the question, I don't think so.
I think I was communicating with an alien species of some sort.
All right, and for the audience that tuned in late, Dan left the military because he began to get very morally conflicted with the information he was receiving, which a great deal of which apparently had to do with abductions, specifics about abductions, the chances of the person recalling they had been abducted, the pain levels they had endured, that sort of thing.
And I guess you began to get conflicted with that morally?
That is what led me to start the process of trying to get Out via methods of regular early out or whatever.
But what I think I would probably still be in today if I hadn't received that message saying you're not going to get out, period.
That is what really, I think it started the revengeful or the vengeful side of me that said, okay, I am going to get out and you're not going to stop me.
That type of thing.
So to clarify on that, I probably would still be in today if I hadn't got mad about that particular event.
You would receive, you said messages that would be inevitably preceded by the numbers 118, then what you called a zip code, and then, in effect, the body of the message.
So was that true with respect to these messages about abduction?
Yeah, I would receive the preamble, which would include my number and the zip code, so to speak.
And then I would, in the abduction scenarios, I would receive times, and I really didn't know what they correlated to, the times, times and dates, actually.
Also, I would receive a latitude and longitude, which a couple of times I did look up, actually about three times I did look up to see where they were.
And then, of course, I'd get these different categories, you know, potentiality free call and all those.
And I would receive a number that would precede that number.
And not actually precede, but go after that number.
Or actually after the category.
And it would be anywhere between 1 and 100.
And that was it.
I didn't know what type of, you know, I didn't know if these subjects were being pre-selected for whatever reason.
So in a lot of ways, Dan, in this project, you were actually kind of a low-level operative.
In other words, you had an ability through a genetic change that had been accomplished during your mother's abduction, and you happened to be in the military, so they tapped you on the shoulder, but you really weren't in on the full picture of things.
And also, Scott, if somebody were to tell you that and they were telling you that you were an integral part of this project and that aliens exist and all this information came at you all at once, wouldn't you be kind of wide-eyed and say, oh, okay.
But to also, you probably don't know the whole story, obviously, but I was actually an only child, and my mother was told that she would never have children, period, because of an accident that happened when she was very small.
So I firmly believe that it was probably because of their manipulation and their doctoring, so to speak, or whatever, that I actually was carried to term.
So maybe I could attribute my life to them.
I don't know.
That's something that you can't prove, obviously, and you don't know for sure.
But the doctors said that I was basically a miracle baby.
There was just no way she was going to carry anything to term.
That, I mean, the baseline of your story itself seems to me it would be classified so black that for you to tell it, they would chew you up and spit you out, Dan.
No, see, the thing is, well, first off, Project Preserve Destiny is a relatively new, or I guess the actual communication phase of the people, you know, when they're actually recruiting the people and training them, that has just recently started.
I mean, I was probably one of the first PPD, you know, the top abilities to have it revealed to them.
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And I find as I listen to the interview progress that I have, that I go back and forth.
At one point, I'm thinking, you know, I'm not buying this, but then there's other points where I am buying it.
There's one thing we know for sure, and that is that there have been abductions because I have talked with some of the world's experts in these areas.
And there have been documented cases of abduction that are simply beyond question with regard to proof.
Bud Hopkins, of course, has documented very well one that occurred in New York City that was documented by endless numbers of witnesses.
And there have been implants removed.
And so it would appear that there is substantial evidence for the fact that there were and are abductions going on.
Now, if our government was aware of this and was in communication with beings regarding these, then what Dan did in the military might certainly make sense.
But there are other aspects of the story, and frankly, I think it's because he cannot or will not tell us, he says cannot tell us, some aspects of corroborating evidence, for example, where he was stationed, though all of this is available on his DD 214.
So I find myself wavering back and forth, and I suspect I'm a lot like the rest of the audience.
More questions for Dan in a moment.
Dan's book is called Above Black, and I want to give him a chance to plug the book here or a way for you to get the book.
I take it, Dan, that all of this is laid out very carefully in your book, right?
Yes, it is, Ark.
All right, how do they get your book?
You said it is not published, so they can't go to their local bookstore and get it yet.
If there was a deal that had been cut between some alien race and our government, there are many who believe that, then that would be the kind of information that was transferred, of course.
You know, when you're in some sort of environment like that, well, first off, they would have known if I was bringing stuff in and out, you know, written down or otherwise.
But, you know, it never occurred to me that I would ever, ever come forward with this type of experience or my experience.
It never occurred to me.
So I had no incentive to do that.
And even if I did write it down, it's still uncorroborated evidence.
I could have done that right now.
I could have just went to my typewriter and typed it all out and said, oh yeah, I wrote this down at that time.
Let's go back for a second to the classification factor.
There are certain aspects of your story that you cannot reveal because you say they would, in effect, violate the law.
For you to be telling us this story and then give us specifics like the base you were at or whatever when you were getting a certain communication, that would absolutely violate the law and you'd go to jail or worse, whatever.
And of course, they touched on a lot in the spiritual aspect of it, equating it to it and faith and all that stuff.
And in essence, that is what I'm going through with the public and who I talk to.
One guy I talked to, he's a publisher of, he's got a catalog of interesting books like this.
And he says, oh, you're just part of the crowd coming out with something that you can't prove.
Why'd you even come out with it if you can't prove it?
I said, you know, if we took that line of thought and we didn't have any proof of anything, and so those people don't come out with their story, that's just ridiculous.
It's ridiculous to think that.
I mean, you have to get some information out so that you can start putting pieces of the puzzle together.
Yes, you're going to get bogus information.
I mean, that just goes without saying.
But that's not to say that nobody should come forward with their stories.
If I was a military intelligence guy and all of this was true, and I heard Dan Sherman on the radio saying what he had said and only holding back the bases where he had been, of course, I have no way of knowing what else you're holding back, I would think it would be time for the men in black to come and get Dan and dip him in something until he decided not to talk anymore.
Well, that's you know, I constantly, every single day, think of that.
I really do.
And my wife thinks about it even more.
But I don't think that that should be something that stops me from coming out because, and this goes back to a little bit what I was saying earlier, I think I'm the first person that has actually gotten out of the military in Preserve Destiny.
So I'm probably the first opportunity that anybody has had to speak of it, you know, not being communicated or not being in the military anymore.
I think that he's only legal in California now with 209 up there.
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But anyway, then one level above that, the men in black, which was the one I just described as the MMCD, the main menu cyberdroids, the ones that have whole strict extraterrestrial DNA chromosomes.
Which, in my opinion, is true, and I want to get his take on it, that they implant what they call elected corridor injectors into the brains of embryos and stimulate their brains with various exciters and to stimulate the growth of small inactive brain, dead, well, what is normally dead brain-active tissue and stimulate it until they become more intelligent.
Would you agree that that is what the main aliens that surround us are doing at this time?
It is, and I'm back again, and my guest is Dan Sherman.
And a funny thing has been occurring during this interview, during the course of the interview.
When we first began, it seemed to me to be a little rocky.
I guess I'm telling you the mental process I've been going through as we've been doing this interview.
And I kind of thought, you know, my BS meter was high.
But, you know, as the interview has progressed, there are several things that are apparent to me.
One, if Dan was going to make all of this up, he would make it up with a lot More interesting details.
He said that himself.
And I think that's right.
In other words, if you were going to weave a tale, you would weave a lot more dramatic, corroborating details into the story.
The other is that if something like this really was going on, it would be highly compartmentalized.
As Dan has suggested, the program ran.
A three is that, as I said earlier, abductions, I think, are beyond question.
There are abductions.
Somebody is abducting, or some bodies are abducting people.
That has been proven again and again by a lot of very substantial researchers from Dr. Mack at Harvard to Bud Hopkins to, you name them.
We've interviewed them.
I believe abductions are real.
For what purpose?
I don't know.
Could this be one of the purposes?
Yes, it would make sense.
Would communications occur in the manner Dan has suggested they occurred?
Yes, that makes sense.
His training in the military at NSA in the Gray Project made sense to me.
The manner in which they taught him to communicate with these beings made sense.
A sort of a brain retraining type of thing.
And I have a couple of genetic questions for Dan, and obviously you do because the lines are packed.
And so I wonder if, as you call this morning, you might want to comment on, if you have listened to the entire interview, whether your thinking has kind of gone along the lines of mine.
Does your BS meter continue to read high or is it beginning to waver?
I'm just intensely curious, frankly.
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Dan, you're back on the air again.
Do you understand the kind of various emotions that I've gone through as I've listened to your story?
No, actually, as far as official, no, I don't know.
I know as much as everybody else does according to the meeting.
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The only thing I asked told Art I'd like to review.
My radio may have faded or I may have dozed, and I'm sure you've Covered it.
And that is, now I assume when you were on the machine learning the technique that you were wired for EEG and this kind of thing, or how did the computer know that you were getting the tone?
And you were, in other words, you would cure the tone, and then it was your job or your goal to try and modify this sine wave, ultimately flattening it out.
Well, first I had to hone in on that actual ability.
And then, once that ability was there for that particular level or plane or whatever you want to call it, we can equate it to a tone, but it had nothing to do with tones as far as the communication goes.
Once that clicked, so to speak, and kind of zeroed in and focused, then I was to exercise or try to flatten the line even more and move the line, manipulate the line.
You know, there's something happened to me while I was at school that I have in the book.
I wrote the book.
And it had to do with noise cancellation.
I saw a van, and one of the times that I got out of the van that would take me to the schoolhouse, I got out of the van and I saw a light shining to the left of me in front of the van.
And obviously I was very, very used to getting out of the van and going to the door, you know, that whole process, and everything was the same all the time.
Well, this light was different than what I was normally used to, so I kind of looked at it, and then I went around to the back of the van that let me out to see what was on the other side of the van.
Well, actually, I stooped down first, and I saw their wheels, and I saw there was a vehicle on the other side of the van, so I went around and I got to the back of the van, and I looked around, and I saw a white van, another van, parked next to it.
And just as I got around there, the van driver honked his horn, and obviously it startled me so bad that I rapidly turned around and walked towards the destination I was supposed to go towards.
But in the short time that I saw that van, I saw a very distinguishable mark on it.
It was a dent in the bumper.
Well, later on, make a long story short, I saw that van again, but it wasn't in the schoolhouse.
It was outside when I was driving.
And so I followed it, and it went to a company that specializes, or their whole mission is noise cancellation.
And I thought, hmm, that's a very interesting correlation.
How, you know, because here I am manipulating sine waves, and, you know, obviously there could be some sort of link there somehow, some way.
Maybe there's a black project co-located there that I wasn't involved with that had to do with noise cancellation, or what I was doing was some sort of experiment with that with the human mind.
I have interviewed people from a company called Pear Inc., which has a product derived from research done at Princeton.
And it is a computer program that allows a person to sit down and basically it's a random number generator.
And you can pull down two photographs on the computer screen.
One on the left, which I would favor, would be total random noise, you know, like a television with no antenna on it, right?
Random noise.
And on the right, you would bring down a photograph of, it doesn't matter, a bridge, a castle, a building, something.
And these two images would begin to intermix.
And your job would be to sit in front of the computer monitor and try and affect one of the pictures to predominate, to solidify, you know, the bridge or the random noise.
And you would sit there and concentrate.
And the computer program would score you on your ability to do that.
I've got that program.
And I have found, and this is the honest to God truth, folks, I'm telling you, that if you walk away and just let the program run on itself, the scores will be tiny.
8, 10, 12, 14, 20 at the most.
But if you sit there and concentrate and actually try to solidify one of the photographs, inevitably your scores will be 60, 70, 80, even 90 or better.
And in other words, I'm telling you, it works.
Now, it seems to me that with your training, Dan, you would be a prime candidate to try a program like that.
Yeah, actually, that would be very, it would be fascinating.
To let you know, I have tried on my own, on just regular equipment, because, you know, in electronic intelligence, we work with spectrum analyzers and telescopes and all that stuff.
And I have sat there during an eight-hour period and tried to move some sort of electron, you know, the actual sine waves in the screen, and to no avail.
So I obviously came up with the conclusion that it had, there was obviously some sort of technology there that is either alien technology or very, very classified human technology or whatever.
This is why I'm leaning toward believing your story, I think, Dan, because at every opportunity, every corner where you could have told us something that would be incredible or amazing or easy to say.
I don't have any idea how they treated any people that they've ever met personally if they have I do know that they have a It's not like the two-dimensional or one-dimensional or even half-dimensional communications that we have in comparison.
It's an extremely elaborate, and you sense a lot of things in the peripheral that, quite frankly, are very, very foreign to me.
I didn't know exactly how to feel about them.
But I sensed an extreme compassion for us.
And it wasn't the same type of compassion that we have, I guess.
But it was almost as if they took pity on us or we were a lower life form and they were very magnanimous and that type of thing.
And also, I thought it quite interesting in one of the community, well, several of the communications, they referred to us as water humans or water entities.
He participated in a program that caused him to eventually write a book called Above Black, and we're going to ask about that book again here in a moment.
It was called Project Preserve Destiny, and it involved his mother being abducted in or about 1961, and then his use as a conduit, that's my word, in the military for communications.
And he has not yet been able to duplicate that, nor does he have the big picture, but he does have a lot of details about what he actually did.
All right, backing out of Dan Sherman.
Dan, when you were in school, in front of that computer screen, were there others near you, around you?
Did you see other people being trained as you were?
No, actually, when we were, or when I was first indoctrinated into it or first told about it and briefed, I was told that I wasn't actually to speak to that person.
In part of the book, they talk about how military linguists are used in alien interaction, reporting on landings throughout the world and some sort of communication between them.
Now, do you know of any or have you ever worked with any linguists that worked in the same field that you do?
I firmly believe that my career field, the electronic intelligence career field, had absolutely nothing to do with my involvement with the Gray Project.
I think that anybody who is in a career field that can work with the black project that surrounds the Gray Project, they are the ones that are probably going to be involved with the Gray Project.
So it doesn't necessarily mean that you have to be an e-linter.
You could be, like you said, a linguist, any comment, any jamming or anything like that that could be associated with a black project.
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Now, how would somebody go about getting into something like that?
Well, there are two ways of looking at this, and I think the caller makes a good point.
One is that it might be better, Adan, that she would hear it from you than somebody is eventually, particularly after the kind of exposure you're getting on this program, somebody eventually is going to go to her and say, hey, I know your son.
I guess one of my questions is maybe why didn't you stay with the program to make if you felt you needed you feel you needed to divulge this before you left?
And he's already really told us why he left the program, but it bears repeating.
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Well, yeah, I mean, you know, what I wonder is why maybe you didn't feel you, I don't know, I guess you weren't thinking of divulging anything at the time, but was your curiosity not up to the point of maybe I should stay with this?
I have come full circle with respect to how I feel about what Dan has said.
I really have come full circle.
At the beginning, I had high doubt, and as we've gone along in the interview, I've come to have more and more confidence that what I'm hearing is the truth.
It never ceases to surprise even me, what I do in talk radio.
And it just, it never ceases to surprise me.
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Okay, well, then that clearly implies, clearly implies, that it's a military or a government cooperation between an alien race or races and our government.
No, I never got the impression that they were being held captive or anything like that.
I just got the impression that it was being done against their will, for one.
It wasn't an all-encompassing, you know, evil type of thing.
It wasn't anything like that.
But it did strike the human chord in me in that these people are being taken against their will.
And that's what I felt.
It was against their will.
And obviously you wouldn't have these types of the categories like potentiality for recall and things like that if they weren't against their will and there wasn't some stuff going on, the pain stuff going on because you have residual pain levels.
I mean, obviously something was going on.
Now, were these actual abductions that I was being reported?
Well, who knows?
You know, they were reporting numbers to me initially, you know, at my first location, mainly.
And if they were in code of some sort, why wouldn't they just pass me the code or pass the abduction data in a code of some sort?
I mean, you know, all these questions come to mind, and I even start questioning the validity of what I was experiencing as far as the truthfulness of the information I was receiving.
So, you know, there's one corner after another that you have to think about.
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Do you believe that the aliens were in complete cooperation with the government, or could they, too, have been held hostage?
And, you know, if the human race is really, like, you know, according to Zachariah Sitchin, really just Nephilim and, you know, like hybrid guerrilla aliens or whatever, you know what I'm saying?
The human race isn't actually like a creation of God in a week, you know?
That it's actually just aliens from Marduk or wherever, you know, the planets, the two planets that are supposed to have disintegrated between Mars and Jupiter, and that's what the asteroid belt is.
And we're that planted race here.
Why are we still bickering with each other?
You know?
I mean, what is the point?
What is the whole great point?
Are the gods laughing at us in, you know, satellites, you know, just orbiting the Earth, looking at Ronald Reagan going, well, I can do this whole Star Wars thing and just take over Grenada.
Well, gay, I'm not president anymore, but Mr. Clinton will get out of office and me and Pat Robertson will jump on some contra ponies with the Duke and D.W. Griffith and the Gibbs sisters on an ice cube and go over Niagara Falls just like Marilyn Monroe.
I was wondering if he had any physical side effects in either the schooling or the experiment.
You know, I was just thinking if I was in Air Force intelligence and I wanted to test, if, let's say I was in Air Force intelligence and I wanted to test out a mini field harp program to see what would happen if I transmit stuff, I'd probably make up an alien explanation to the subject because he wouldn't have any reason to need to know the details.
And your guest with the HARP information the other night, some of this sounds awfully familiar.
You know, people have brought up the HARP issue, and actually I wasn't even familiar with it until people started bringing it up in relation to what I experienced.
You know, there are so many different projects in the military having to do with electromagnetic stuff, you know, weapons and sonar finders, so to speak, you know, electromagnetic searching type of technology.
I mean, there's just a ton of stuff out there.
And whether it's correlated with what I did in the Gray Project, I have absolutely no idea.
Now, I can conjecture on the noise cancellation thing because I kind of saw the, or discovered the relationship there, at least location-wise.
Actually, I was exiting off of the highway there, going to the hotel, and I came up to the light, and there was two lanes there, and I was turning right, and over on the left lane, there was a van, and it was a white van, and I kind of, it just, right out of the corner of my eye, kind of, I just noticed it, and I looked at it again, and I thought, you know, that looks an awful lot like, but no, it can't be.
There's just no way.
But my eyes, you know, were looking at it, and I kind of went down to the, well, I found the bumper, and I saw the dent there.
But then I started thinking, well, wait a minute, what if it's the captain's van?
Because there were no external markings or anything like that.
It was just a white van.
And I can't even remember what the license plates were.
I I think I was too excited about it.
But so I I kind of questioned, you know, we were sitting there at the stoplight and we weren't going, so I was kind of questioning, well, should I follow it?
Should I not?
Should I follow it?
So I said, yeah, of course I'm going to follow it.
I can't pass this up.
So I followed it and I followed it to the company that I was telling you about earlier.
Well, the eating aspect, no, I had the impression that they did have some sort of nourishment.
I guess that would be obvious.
Interesting enough, though, I kind of touched on the lifespan issue, and I got the impression that they had a similar lifespan than us as far as our concept of time and perhaps even shorter lifespan than us.
Well, again, a lot of these conversations I had over time, and I kind of assimilated information over time and kind of put two and two together and this and this together.
I mean, it wasn't like I had a transcribed dialogue, individual pieces out.
But I have certain memories of the discussions that we had and what my opinions formulated into over time.
We were discussing, I think I actually one of the I think that same discussion, I asked him about the sexes and if they have a sex, same sexes and things like that.
And he said yes, they have two different sexes.
And then somehow we got into the conversation of, again, this isn't a lengthy, you know, conversation where you're talking for four hours.
I asked on several occasions where they came from and how they got here and if indeed they came from a long distance.
And I always got the impression when I ever talked about any type of travel or location or anything like that, that time absolutely meant nothing to them.
Time was not a concept that they were bound by.
It was a concept that our reality or we as humans were bound by, but not them.
So therefore, distance, when you're not bound by time, distance is no longer valid either.
So I just never got the impression of how far they were, where they were from.
But as far as mode of travel, he said that, and I touched on a little earlier, he said that they actually went around time.
Well, again, we're getting into areas of information I have absolutely no idea about.
I could conjecture on it, but my conjecture would be the same as anybody else who has been exposed to the information that the public has been exposed to.
Anyway, the reason I'm asking is he also, obviously, is a Bible-believing Christian, but he also believes in UFOs and abductions and that sort of thing.
And he has a new book out called Alien Encounters, and I really think you should read it because a lot of the stuff that you're bringing up is very well documented in this book.
And his explanation is pretty much, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the Nephilim.
Do you think perhaps Dan is a modern-day Nephilim?
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Oh, no, not at all.
No?
No, no.
No, but, um...
Yeah, he tends to think that these aliens or so-called aliens are another attempt of Satan to create a new race of Nephilim, who could be half angel, half human, so to speak.
Well, you know, I've had a lot of people, or not a lot, but a few people write me and ask me if I felt that I was possessed in some way.
And these were the communications that I was having.
And, of course, I don't know.
I've never been Actively possessed, so I don't know exactly what it feels like, but I don't think this was possession.
And as far as your question about the spiritual realm, you know, there's just so many different avenues, again, that we can go down that way.
And I have absolutely no idea.
I believe, I firmly believe, because of the fabric of the content or the content of the conversations and the communication, I believe that it was another intelligence, a created intelligence from God.
I didn't sense that it was an evil intelligence, inherently evil anyway.
And it's a funny thing because last Christmas, last Christmas before, it was two years ago, back home with my mom, I said, hey, mom, did I ever fall off my bicycle or anything like stupid like that?
Sure.
And she said, well, no, no, you didn't.
Because I've never been in the hospital.
So anyways, I had the family look at the back of my head, and I have a, it's a really bad scar.
If I had a scar, particularly a big and long one that I couldn't account for, I'd want to know why.
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Well, the only thing that scared me is I fell off a skoodoo trailer up here a year ago last summer, and I had disclaimed collarbone, and I had surgery to put it back into place.
And that's the only place, the only time, excuse me, I've ever been in a hospital, and it was surgery.
So I asked the doctor about this thing, like as a joke.
All right, well, then the end of conversation, I would have it checked out.
That's right.
I would go to a doctor and have an MRI, and obviously, if it's been confirmed as a surgical scar and you didn't have surgery, it's a no, excuse the expression, no-brainer, sir.
Wildcard line, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
Well, you know, it never occurred to me until people started to bring it up.
I mean, after the story came out.
But, you know, I actually have experienced within the church, and, you know, because I come from a Pentecostal background, I've experienced, you know, things such as that, not personally, but have seen it.
And so I'm very wary of that.
But this never crossed my mind that it was of any type of demonic origin.
It was just because I didn't sense that I was in danger in any way.
Actually, I never even heard of remote viewing until one of the remote viewers was on one of our local things here at TV, and I was quite fascinated by it.
I didn't see that there was a direct correlation.
It may be in the peripheral somewhere, but it's interesting.
Well, the answer is no, and that's kind of out of his field.
Dan, it has really been an extremely interesting program, and I'm going to be interested to see what feedback is like from the listeners, and I'm sure you're going to be getting a lot of it as well.
And folks, if you've got a computer, you can send email through his website, through Dan Sherman's website.