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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Dan Sherman - Alien Coverup

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	I'm Art Bell, and this night, we will talk with a man named Dan Sherman.
	Dan Sherman, who has authored a book called Above Black.
	Now, we'll tell you a little bit about this.
	Above Black is a first-person account of alien contact.
	insider accounts of alien contact in other words not something he
	heard from somebody else, but something he did himself and of course government cover-up
	It's one man's deeply personal involvement with a highly classified alien communication government program
	The author of the book spent more than two years communicating with two alien contacts while working for the
	National Security Agency NSA as a this is in quotes intuitive communicator
	you A Bump Black is one of the few books ever written providing a first-hand account of the government's contact with aliens.
	The author can be verified to have held numerous high-level security clearances and assignments at Suspect locations, which lends a very great deal of credibility to this fascinating account.
	From abductions to catastrophic future events, the subjects discussed in Above Black will capture the intellect and emotion of even the most skeptical reader.
	And tonight, we'll see what it does for listeners.
	A Dan Sherman grew up in Northern California and Oregon.
	He enlisted in the Air Force in September of 1982, and after serving seven years as a security policeman, he retrained.
	I remember a lot of us did that in the Air Force.
	Retrained into the electronic intelligence field.
	It was during this time that he was indoctrinated into Project Preserve Destiny, one of our nation's most closely held alien contact programs.
	Now, what do you suppose Project Preserve Destiny might be?
	Well, we'll find out.
	As an electronic intelligence specialist in the United States Air Force, Sherman has held some of the highest level security clearances in the nation.
	Top secret, special compartmental information, code words, uh, secret, Special, uh, we did that.
	Compartmental information, well, mostly all is, is mobile.
	Significance, more importantly, his role as an intuitive communicator for the National Security Agency, NSA, has given him a unique perspective on the subject of governmental cover-ups regarding official alien contact.
	So, uh, to say the least, this should be very, very interesting.
	And we will talk with Dan Sherman in a moment.
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	Alright, and so we begin another week with Dan Sherman.
	Up in Oregon, Dan, welcome to the program.
	Hi Art, thanks for having me.
	You bet.
	Dan, this, you know, what I just read about you and what you have done, That is pretty incredible stuff.
	You're telling us, let me just ask you up front that I read this correctly, that you had direct contact with aliens with regard to your time in the Air Force.
	You actually worked in a program in contact with aliens, right?
	Yes, I did.
	It's called Project Preserve Destiny.
	I guess I'm going to let you unwind the story from the beginning, if you would.
	Sure.
	First off, to understand the classification system and how the government is able to keep all of this hidden so effectively, you have to understand what's called the Onion Effect, and this is how it was described to me and how I understood it when I was in the military.
	There are different levels of classification, obviously, and they correspond to different names, too, and hence the name of the book, Above Black.
	You probably are familiar with a book that came out a while back called Above Top Secret.
	Yes.
	I was wondering if you drew your title from that.
	Yeah.
	It was essentially the same concept.
	Above Top Secret meant the black programs.
	I guess his name was Goodall or Good something.
	He talked about different programs that were classified above the top secret realm.
	Well, actually there's another level and it's called above black or in the military we called
	it the gray programs.
	So above black means gray program.
	What is a gray?
	In other words, a black program implies secret, right?
	A black program is what?
	Is a secret budget, I think, of a secret budget or something like that?
	Yeah.
	When I think of black.
	Yeah, a black project is a project that is hidden from not only the public's view, but most of the government as well.
	And top secret is only hidden from, you know, a need-to-know basis, the public, and to a certain degree, the government but a lot of people in the government know
	about it because they have a need to know. Whereas a great program, there are very,
	very, very few people who have a need to know and therefore don't know. Would that include
	the nation's highest officials?
	I speculate that certain presidents throughout the history of since the first contact,
	I don't know when the first contact was but and we'll get into this in a little bit, but I feel
	that certain presidents probably have known about it.
	But only because their involvement in collateral type of things had to come into play.
	So, I don't believe that the current president knows about it.
	Alright.
	You were an air policeman, is that correct?
	Yeah, I was a security policeman, yeah.
	A security policeman.
	A regular air policeman, as I remember.
	Yeah.
	Actually, they changed that, I think, in the early 60s or late 60s.
	Yeah, late 60s, I think.
	It was a security policeman now.
	Security policeman.
	All right.
	Sorry about that.
	That's okay.
	Dating myself.
	Yeah.
	And you were, for how long, a security policeman?
	I went into the military in 1982, and I was a security policeman for seven years, a little over seven years.
	And there's quite a bit of history with this.
	There are some things that came into play that directed me towards the electronic security or electronic intelligence career field.
	I was stationed in Korea and I had a friend there who was an e-linter.
	That's what we call them, the e-lint.
	He suggested that I do it.
	When I came up for a retraining at about seven and a half year mark, I decided to try for it.
	Actually, the retraining process started a little earlier, but I actually retrained in seven and a half years.
	Well, that makes sense.
	In other words, you already had a security background, albeit a fairly normal one.
	I take it you did normal jobs, security-type jobs.
	But that would still be, particularly after seven years, the proper background to be considered for something higher.
	Well, you know, actually, they don't really even look at that.
	I think they just look at your test scores and to make sure that you can do the job.
	But I do feel that there was, obviously because of my abilities and because of the history of the program, I felt that I was directed towards a certain career path.
	I also think that it perhaps went awry when I first went in.
	I can't remember exactly what went on, but I know there was a bunch of hoopla with my paperwork when I first came in.
	I was supposed to go into another career field and I couldn't do it in the last minute.
	Are you referring to when you first got in the service?
	Exactly, when I first enlisted.
	A lot of people have asked me, since this story has broke, why didn't the military or whoever was in charge of this, why didn't they direct you into that career field in the first place?
	For that I have no answer, actually.
	Well, I remember the recruiters.
	Now, the recruiters would, of course, give you a battery of tests and determine that you were qualified to go into the service and then would give you a battery of tests to determine what you would best be suited for.
	Yeah.
	Well, actually, my test scores, I qualified for every job the Air Force had at the time.
	And so I was going into another career field, and I really can't remember what that career field was at the time, but I just wanted to go into the military.
	I didn't care, you know, actually specifically in the Air Force.
	Because earlier on in my childhood, I knew an SR-71 pilot who I was really familiar with, and he very much was very encouraging to go into the military or go into the Air Force.
	So anyway, ever since I was a child, I wanted to go into the Air Force.
	So the paperwork got kind of messed up, and I did actually go into the security police career field.
	But then there were some influencing factors throughout my security police stay that led me to the electronic intelligence career field.
	And then I just kind of progressed from there.
	Well, that is, in fact, how it happens, Dan.
	When I went in, I went in to the Air Force, specifically wanted to go into the Air Force.
	Had a deep electronics background.
	And qualified in every way except for a little test they would give you regarding colorblindness.
	I've got a slight bit of colorblindness.
	And that ruled me out for electronics, so I ended up being a medic in the Air Force.
	So I'm well familiar with how it kind of gets screwed up at the beginning there.
	Thank you very much.
	Yes, it does.
	So anyway, security for seven years.
	And where'd you serve?
	Korea, you said?
	I was in Korea twice.
	I was in Montana, North Dakota.
	Nebraska.
	I was kind of in Holland, so I kind of went everywhere.
	Okay.
	Then all of a sudden you've got a friend who encourages you to go into... Elint, he called it?
	Yes, it's called Elint.
	Electronic Intelligence.
	Okay.
	That would normally mean to me crypto stuff.
	Maybe being stationed at a listening post somewhere.
	Decryption, that sort of thing.
	Yeah, it actually is a very expansive career field.
	You can do actually a lot of things.
	The main description the Air Force gives the U.N.
	career field is you analyze electromagnetic energy for its intelligence value.
	Right.
	Of course, electromagnetic energy spans a whole realm of things.
	So yeah, we're kind of a jack of all trades as far as electromagnetic energy goes.
	All right, so you trained for that.
	How long did you spend retraining?
	I believe the U.S.
	school is three months, something like that, in Goodfellow, Air Force Base, Texas.
	Okay.
	Out in the middle of nowhere.
	All right.
	It's a pretty big jump now from normal electronic intelligence work to the kind of stuff you said you were doing.
	How did that occur?
	Well, I was going to attend a school in Maryland at the NSA headquarters in Fort Meade.
	This was a continuation course in my electronic intelligence career field.
	I was called by a captain when I got to the hotel there.
	He identified himself as, I think, a training commander or something like that.
	He said that I need to see you.
	Well, I said, sure.
	I was asking him, actually, if he wanted anybody else to come with me, because there was another person there from my base.
	And he said, no, I just need to see you.
	And I thought that was kind of odd, because that typically doesn't happen.
	You know, a captain calling an enlisted person when he first gets to a base, and you don't even know who he is, and he wants a private meeting with you.
	What were you at this point, E-4 or E-5?
	At that point I was in E5, yes.
	E5, all right.
	And so I said, yeah, sure, no problem.
	And he gave me the directions to the gate.
	And he didn't even want to meet me at the school that I was going to, which was the Fanex Complex, which is down the road from the actual NSA compound.
	Okay.
	He didn't even want to meet me there.
	He wanted to meet me at the actual NSA headquarters, and so that was kind of odd, too.
	Okay, no problem.
	So I followed his directions and finally got to the entrance to the building that he told me about and he met me there at the gate and we checked in for some security clearance paperwork that hadn't arrived yet and did a bunch of that stuff and finally we decided that he had to escort me into the building because I didn't have my security clearances there yet.
	He escorted me into the building and we went into his office And his office is a little interesting to get into.
	It had a couple of security procedures that were a little high for already in a highly guarded place to begin with.
	So anyway, we got in there and he proceeded to tell me that I was part of a genetic experiment.
	And mind you, Art, this is just totally out of the blue.
	It's like he's sharing the... What in the world?
	You were part of a genetic...
	Well, actually, by the time that it got to me and that my DNA was manipulated because of it, by the time it had gotten to me, it wasn't an experiment anymore.
	But he started with the experimental phase.
	He said that in 1960, well, let me back up a little bit further.
	He said that due to our contact with an alien species or alien entity, In 1947.
	Now, I'll remind you that 1947 wasn't as popular as it is now, so that really didn't strike a bell with me until later on when all the Roswell stuff was breaking the news and all that.
	Right.
	Remind me again, please, of what year we're in as he's telling you all this.
	This was in 1992.
	1992?
	Early 92.
	All right.
	1992.
	1992?
	Early 92.
	Alright.
	So anyway, he said that due to the contact, in concert with the government, the aliens
	were starting a genetic management, that's what they called it, genetic management experiments
	in 1960.
	And by 1963 it had been, I guess, gotten into the final phase of it and they actually started
	to genetically manipulate human offspring.
	And for the reason of...
	To be able to communicate with them intuitively.
	Of course, I asked a lot of questions and one of the questions I asked was why, obviously.
	He said, I really don't know why, specifically.
	We have been told and I have been told that you're going to provide a worldwide communications link in the event that all electromagnetic energy is going to be completely eliminated in the future, at some future date.
	So, I just sat there, and of course this is a lot to chew on.
	No, no.
	Yeah, it's a lot to chew on.
	Why you?
	Well, it's just a random, very random.
	I mean, during the experimental phase, this is what it was explained to me, during the experimental phase, they actually abducted, they were abducting women to test their DNA for some sort of genetic A predisposition or genetic type of compatibility.
	So you weren't being told everything, obviously.
	Oh, I'm positive I wasn't told everything, and I really don't think that he knew everything either.
	I mean, I think he knew more than what he told me, but I don't think he knew everything, obviously.
	This whole thing, art, is very, very, very compartmentalized.
	In other words, it began in 1947.
	Well, that contact, he said, began in 1947.
	Because of the contact in 1947.
	Right.
	I presume that, of course, was Roswell.
	I can't say that for sure, but I presume as well.
	And that, I want to be straight on this, and that human women, first of all, that we had contact, apparently, obviously, made some sort of deal or arrangement With this alien race or races and that human women were abducted for genetic manipulation reasons.
	Is that correct?
	Genetic compatibility tests.
	Compatibility tests.
	All right, we'll hold it right there and take a break here at the bottom of the hour.
	My guest is Dan Sherman.
	The book he wrote is Above Black.
	And this should be a very, very interesting story.
	Intuitive Communicator.
	We'll be right back.
	This is Coast to Coast Zam.
	When it's all right and it's coming along, we gotta get right back to where we started from.
	Love is good, love's moving strong, we gotta get right back to where we started from.
	When you look the other day, it's only good, when you look at my face.
	Art Bell is talking to first-time callers.
	That's area code 702-727-1222.
	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nye.
	It is.
	Now again, here's Art.
	Well, thank you.
	Once again, here I am.
	702-727-1222. This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nye.
	It is. Now yes, here's Art. Well, thank you. Once again, here I am. My guest is Dan
	Sherman and he's authored a book called A Bug Blind.
	And we're going to find out in a moment how he got into that program.
	Ken?
	Yes, I'm here.
	Welcome back.
	Dan, one part of this that people are going to have a hard time understanding is why somebody would be plucked from the beginning of a change of career in the Air Force, ELANT, electronic Well, they didn't choose anything.
	electromagnetic interception work.
	For something like this, why do you think they would randomly, particularly randomly,
	choose you for this?
	Well, they didn't choose anything.
	The actual genetic procedure that happened before I was formed, so to speak, is what
	actually led me down that path.
	Now let me explain that a little bit further.
	Please.
	As it was explained to me, there were many thousands of people who were genetically managed for this particular procedure.
	It's just that only a certain number of those people, obviously, went into the military.
	And I just happened to be one of them.
	So, in other words, you had been genetically managed at some point in your life prior to going into the Air Force.
	Is that correct?
	Oh yeah, actually let me finish that I guess.
	The genetic experimentation began in 1960.
	My mother had been, or that's what he said anyway, he said my mother was abducted in, I can't remember the initial abduction, I think it was 1960 or 61, something like that, and then when the actual genetic Manipulation or genetic management phase started in 1963.
	They actually took my mother again and while I was in the womb genetically managed my DNA.
	How old are you now?
	I'm 33.
	I was born in 64.
	And they said the genetic management happened early on in my conception.
	Alright, your mother was abducted in 1961, right?
	Something like that, yeah.
	Okay.
	Is your mother still alive, man?
	Yes, I knew that question was coming.
	That question always comes around.
	Yes, she is actually.
	And I know the next question is, have you discussed this with her?
	That's correct.
	And I have not.
	And I've chosen not to because Yes, I may find out from her that she has these memories.
	I may find out that she doesn't have these memories.
	Whether she does or she doesn't, it's not going to validate the story anymore than it already is to me because I know what has happened.
	Of course, if she does have the memories, it would validate the story to others.
	That's true.
	I'm more concerned about my relationship with my mother than trying to validate the story to others.
	Well, I hear that.
	Because what happens if I do tell her this?
	She's a fairly conservative person.
	What if I do tell her this, discuss it with her, and she doesn't believe me and then it creates a rift in the relationship.
	Believe me, I've already experienced that with Yeah, with family.
	But I mean, here you've written a book.
	She must be aware of the fact that you've written a book.
	She knows that I, actually she doesn't even know that it's out yet, but she knows that I'm writing a book about my military experiences.
	My mother is not the one or the type that's going to be listening to this type of stuff.
	At some point in the future, she may come across it because of some friends or whatever.
	I'll just have to deal with that at the time, I guess.
	I haven't broached the subject yet, though.
	Anyway, that's what they told you occurred, that your mother had been abducted and that you had been genetically manipulated in the womb.
	Do you have any idea how many people were so manipulated?
	Well, no, I was led to believe that it was a lot, not just a handful of people.
	I'm assuming they played some sort of statistical roulette, so to speak, because in order for them to get people into the program from the people that were genetically managed and then actually out of those people are the ones that go into the military.
	out of those ones that go in the military that happen to get into career fields that they can
	hold high-level security clearances and work on black projects around the gray project
	and you know it's it's just a numbers game. All right and again the purpose of this
	manipulation you were told was so that communication would continue with this alien race
	even if other electromagnetic means all failed.
	Well, no, that actually wasn't my impression.
	The impression that was left to me was that I would provide a worldwide communication link for our government, so that our government can continue to operate, so to speak.
	Ah, sauce!
	But the aliens, or the alien technology, would allow me to do such It would allow me to do it.
	In other words, you had mental capabilities as a result of this genetic manipulation.
	Exactly.
	Or they knew you did or thought you did or something.
	Now, were you aware of any of this ability before you sat down with this captain at NSA?
	No.
	In other words, you had no... Not at all.
	No hint that you could do any of this?
	No, no, no.
	I mean, I've been a fairly unusual person all my life, but Nothing to that extent.
	Okay.
	So he sat you down.
	I mean, your eyes must have gone wide.
	Your mother was abducted.
	You were genetically manipulated.
	And that's why we have you here.
	And then what?
	What did he say?
	Well, he just... It wasn't a lot.
	He didn't say a lot.
	I asked a couple questions about... Well, one of the main ones I had was, am I part alien?
	I am a complete human being.
	I understand.
	I would ask that too.
	And he did laugh at that.
	He said, actually I have been in a position to tell a few people this so far and every
	single one of them have had the same question.
	And to alleviate your fears if you have any.
	any, no you are not any part of aliens, you are all human.
	You are just manipulated.
	Exactly, I am just a manipulated human.
	I see, well I suppose, one way or the other.
	So then what?
	Well he, that was it in a nutshell, he just, he told me exactly what the background was
	and he said that I was, while I was there, I would be going through a school at night
	to uncover these abilities and during the day I would be going to my regular school.
	So of course I had a long day every day.
	Right.
	And we finished the conversation.
	He escorted me back out of the building and he wanted me to meet with him.
	Something had to do with my security clearances for the school.
	After they were in we were going to meet again and he was going to take me to the school house where I would be learning Yes, I'm very convinced to that obviously because the captain worked in the NSA building and the school was at the NSA area.
	I don't know exactly where the school was because I never was told and I never saw when I was going there.
	I'm assuming that yes, it was an NSA program.
	What did you learn at the school?
	First of all, how long did you go to the school?
	I went to the school as long as I went to the other school.
	It was approximately two months.
	Two months.
	And what was the school all about?
	I mean, what did they have you doing?
	Well, that's a hefty chapter in the book right there.
	It was interacting with a computer terminal.
	I guess that's the best way I can describe it.
	I would sit at the computer terminal at a computer screen and I had headphones on and my instructor would interface with me through the headphones and I never saw my instructor.
	He would describe to me what I was supposed to do and then he would leave me alone for like hours at a time, sometimes days at a time until I I had mastered the task that I was told to do.
	It was a gradual process.
	I had sine waves in front of me on the computer terminal.
	I say we because there was another guy that was going through the school at the same time at another terminal.
	Sine waves?
	Yeah.
	There were ten boxes within the computer screen that I was looking at.
	And there were sort of like LED boxes and there was a baseline that went through it and then a sine wave that went, you know, it's like an oscilloscope, a sine wave that went, intersected a baseline.
	So like an AC sine wave across a baseline?
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	A 360-degree sine wave.
	All right.
	My first task was to look at the first box, listen to the tone that was going in my earphones, and there was a constant tone in there, and I was told to mentally hum the tone.
	Not vocally, but mentally try to find that tone in your mind.
	Understand.
	And the premise was as soon as I did find that tone, I would start to hone in on moving the line, moving the sine wave.
	Now mind you, I wasn't touching the computer screen or anything.
	I mean there was nothing between me and the computer screen.
	All right, it was like a next generation biofeedback.
	Yeah, that's a good description, Art.
	Well, biofeedback is when they'll hook up to your heart beat and respiration and so
	forth and so on and you can change it.
	Exactly.
	And in this case, you were not hardwired to anything.
	And you're telling me that once you mentally matched the audio tone, you'd begin to move
	the sine wave.
	That is a kind of a biofeedback.
	Well, it was actually a very, very momentous occasion because I could definitely sense
	when that happened.
	It was like something had fallen into place.
	I call it clicking.
	I clicked on it.
	It wasn't a physical clicking, but it's the closest thing I can come to describing it.
	I must caution everybody to understand that this is not a tonal type of thing either.
	It's just that the tone that was going into my ears was the only way that they could began my mental process to understand what was going on.
	And it was kind of like a gradual process and it ended up with my mind clicking onto
	what it needed to click onto.
	It's a very, very difficult thing to describe.
	And there would be ten of these and you would have to manipulate finally each one by clicking
	on it or coming in harmony with it or however you want to put it.
	Exactly.
	And then we went from clicking on each one of them and I had to not only click on it
	but then I had to flatten it.
	I call it flatten my lines.
	I had to flatten my lines and flatten it to zero degrees.
	And there was a little degree readout up in the right hand corner that told me how flat
	it was getting in degrees.
	Would you actually bring the sine wave down to the baseline?
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	And then the second box I had to do it and that was another tone that was put into my
	ear and I listened to another tone and then I would try to get to that one.
	The first one took me a couple of days I think.
	The second one was a little bit shorter and by the time I was at the tenth one it was pretty simple.
	As soon as I clicked on it, it was done basically.
	Then we went into a series of combinations of lines being flattened at the same time.
	Okay.
	It was a gradual process.
	Alright, this makes sense to me.
	In other words, they were in effect training you in a mental process.
	Training the muscle, so to speak.
	Yeah, okay.
	That makes sense.
	Was that the totality or did you then begin to graduate onto other things?
	No, I graduated onto other things.
	Okay.
	Alright, so you got We're up to the point where you have pretty well completed or mastered the computer portion of it.
	Then what?
	Well, the actual tones went away after a while.
	I was told to... First we went into text.
	I had a little box in the... Well, no, actually we first went to numbers.
	We went to numbers and I would be told a number in my earphones.
	Then there would be a certain combination of lines being flattened and I could sense these lines being flattened too, the intuitive part of it.
	My mind could just relate to what was going on and it memorized what was going on instantly.
	It wasn't like a normal memorization process where it was over and over and over and over.
	You know how we learn basically by road?
	Sure.
	It wasn't like that.
	And then once we got up to about, I think it was up to 100, I actually knew what the combinations were.
	It's just like English.
	If you know how to count to 100, basically you can count to anything.
	Right.
	So then I first learned numbers and then I learned text.
	I would read text.
	the lines are flattened in a certain combination.
	And it wasn't, I can't equate it to adjectives and adverbs and all that, all the structure of a sentence.
	But certain concepts, when concepts came across the screen, I could relate to them in the boxes.
	Again, it was a very, very difficult thing to explain.
	You know, but it's very intriguing because I can see how they would be leading you through a process, a mental
	process, to develop something that is latent or an ability that they
	knew you had.
	But, you know, that makes sense.
	I can sense.
	Every day I can sense this flower unfolding.
	It was really of no power of my own.
	All I had to do was sit there and look at all this stuff and take it in.
	The ability would grow and grow and leapfrog on itself.
	It got to the point where I couldn't even control the growth of it.
	It was just exponential every day.
	To the point where at the end I would look at videos, they would show me videos of children playing in the school yard and beach scenes and a lot of military scenes too, rockets going up and things like that.
	By that time, I could intuitively manipulate the lines to describe what was going on.
	Okay, I think I'm with you.
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	Yeah, I think I'm with him alright.
	So far, so good.
	I can understand, can't you, how they would train a mind.
	And that's exactly what they were doing, obviously, was training a mind.
	To learn to communicate intuitively in a way that he had never done before.
	All right, that makes sense.
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	Back now to my guest, Dan Sherman.
	Dan, welcome back.
	Hello, Dan.
	I'm here.
	Okay.
	All right, Dan.
	So you went through all of this training to learn to communicate, or at that point, did you really know What you were training for?
	Well, I was assuming that I was trained for what they had told me about providing worldwide communication, Link.
	I was told also that I would be, in order to keep my ability in practice, so to speak, or to keep it up to date, or to keep in practice, I would be communicating with an alien contact.
	Okay.
	At what point did you begin to do that?
	I stopped the school or I finished the school and I went back to my base and soon after that I got orders to go to another base and at that base is where, the first base after I got back from school, that's where I started to communicate.
	What base was that?
	Which base was what?
	The base where you went, Dan.
	That I can't say.
	You can't say?
	No, unfortunately.
	I mean, it's in my records and everybody can, it's very accessible, but there are, and this goes back to the Onion Effect, in order to keep this thing under wraps, so to speak, what they do is they co-locate it with what you would call a black project.
	And they do this because if you release any gray information, you will probably, by extension, release some black information.
	And the release of black information is what they can and will prosecute you on.
	And thereby silencing you, at the same time not giving any credibility to the gray information.
	Alright, then one might ask, how can you tell us what you have told us so far?
	Because I've only told In the book and in all my interviews and everything, I'm only discussing the grey aspect of it.
	I don't discuss anything else that I did and hopefully, I'm crossing my fingers, I'm doing this correctly.
	In the event that, I mean, I say doing it correctly, I'm not releasing any information that they will come at me for.
	Because if they come at me for releasing the grey information, Then that just validates the grey information.
	So, of course, they don't want to do that.
	And they're not going to do that.
	Alright.
	See, the grey projects are wrapped around the black projects.
	Anybody who works on a grey project has to work on a black project as well.
	It's interchangeable.
	You cannot work on a grey project without also working on a co-located black project, which is completely separate.
	From the Gray Project.
	They have, for all intents and purposes, they have nothing to do with one another.
	Why?
	In other words, why, I guess I'm asking, must both aspects be present?
	Why couldn't they compartmentalize you into this Gray Project?
	Well, it's a paperwork thing.
	Or it's an organizational thing.
	Yeah, to you and me, outside on the outside world, you know, we can't see any Any reason why they would do that.
	But in order to justify the budgets and to hide all the facility and everything from the inner workings of the government, they have to hide it behind a black project.
	Because a black project, they can say, they can brief a certain amount of people on it.
	You know, the armed services committee, you know, the armed services congressional committees, you know, and the intelligence committees.
	Things like that.
	They can brief people on the black project there and not have to brief them on the gray project.
	All right.
	I assume that you went to Lackland Air Force Base for basic.
	You went to tech school, went into security police where there are seven years.
	You've told us you went to NSA and that you went to a school at NSA.
	What prevents you from telling us what your first permanent base after that school was?
	In other words, what aspect of this makes that secret after telling us all?
	It has to do with associations.
	If I even discuss or even say, like I am now, that I worked on a black project, and during the same conversation I say that I was stationed at this particular base.
	That is, you're associating one with the other, and that is classified.
	Okay.
	I know it seems minute and detail-oriented, but believe me, I have to stay as far away from prosecution as possible.
	Well, I can appreciate that, alright, so... And that's, incidentally, that's why the Right now, anyway, at this present stage of the game, that's why the book isn't available in stores.
	We haven't got a distributor.
	We're only doing it through mail order and through the internet because I don't want to sign any contracts that I have to continue to have it available because I don't know when the government is going to step on this and take it away from me.
	Then, of course, there will be a breach of contracts.
	I have to keep complete control of it.
	Now, at a later date, when I find that there's nothing going to happen, then we'll probably do that.
	Have you been visited yet?
	Oh, by the government?
	No.
	Believe me, I probably wouldn't be on your show if I had.
	Okay.
	Why did you decide to write the book and tell all of this?
	I mean, we haven't told the whole story yet, but I mean, why even go public?
	That's something that I had to come to terms with over the past couple of years after I got out of the military.
	A lot of people have asked me that.
	I'm going to be completely honest and say there are financial constraints involved with it.
	I'm trying to put myself through school and I know that it's a very, very marketable experience.
	I know that the world is searching for that type of information.
	I don't have, this is not like a huge revelation where I have pictures of aliens.
	and all that stuff. My part of it was very, very compartmentalized. I have very limited
	knowledge as to the whole big picture. I am very, very curious to find out the rest of
	the picture. I want to know the picture just as much as everybody else does. If I bring
	my part of the picture out into the public and somebody else brings their part of the
	their picture out because they see that I've done it.
	Maybe by default we'll start getting more of the pieces of the puzzle together.
	Alright, at Base X, wherever you were, you began communication not with other military
	people apparently, but with aliens.
	Is that accurate?
	You mean the intuitive communications part of it?
	Yes, sir.
	I've only intuitively communicated with, well, other than the computer, which I have absolutely no idea how that happened.
	Actually, I've had two alien contacts, one at my first base and one at the second base.
	Did you have a handler?
	Did you have a contact at this base?
	Yeah, I had a commander at each base, what I called my PPD commander.
	The one at the NSA school that I went to, he obviously was my first one.
	And he, during one of our meetings, he said that I would be handed off to my next one.
	It could be either in person or vocally, but I would be handed off to the next one.
	And I wasn't to discuss with anybody else, obviously.
	When I got to my first contact base, I received a phone call from the first captain and he told me to hang up the phone and I would receive a call within about 30 seconds from my next commander.
	I did, and I went down to meet him at the compound.
	I kind of figured that that's who it would be because it was a very small organization.
	So I met him, and I had another one, too, at my next base.
	He was one of the only people, incidentally, that I ever talked to or discussed with or had any knowledge of within the program.
	All right.
	Here's something that I'm not quite grasping.
	If the objective of this program was to continue communications worldwide in the event of, one would imagine, nuclear holocaust or EMP or whatever would prevent electromagnetic communication and continue communication, then why wouldn't they have you communicating with other genetically manipulated human beings as opposed to aliens?
	I'm not so sure that that was the intent.
	I'm not so sure actually that we have that capability.
	I think, and due to my communications with them and the impressions that I had while I was communicating, I don't think that the ability is of us.
	I think it's of them and they facilitate the ability.
	Because I could never, not to my knowledge anyway, I could never initiate a communication with them.
	They always initiated it with me.
	Okay.
	I never got to the point where I thought that I could communicate with somebody else, another human being.
	I never got that impression.
	And yet that was the stated goal, right, of the project though?
	Well, we're extrapolating here because they told me that I would be providing communication link worldwide, right?
	Well, I could be just the conduit.
	In other words, they did not tell you with whom?
	No.
	No.
	They said I would be providing the communication link.
	Now, I could be, if you will, the download site, so to speak.
	Okay.
	And they could be the satellite.
	I've got you.
	I've got you there.
	Alright.
	You had two communications with alien beings.
	I had two contacts.
	Well, most of the communications was never, I don't think ever actually, classified at the black level.
	No, never physical.
	What exactly, can you talk about the nature of the communications?
	Most of the communications was never, I don't think ever actually classified at the black
	level.
	I mean the actual information, obviously the mode of communication was classified at the
	gray level.
	I was actually passed in the beginning, I would just be passed a series of numbers.
	Throughout the whole thing I was always under the impression that I was always being tested and retested to make sure that my abilities were keeping up to date, so to speak.
	That was always my impression.
	I have no way of knowing.
	You were past a series of numbers.
	Yeah.
	Initially, my communications had to do with numbers.
	I was just past a series of numbers and I would type them into a screen on my computer terminal wherever I worked at the time.
	I had a computer terminal that I worked at all the time.
	I would open up a screen in the background.
	It would be a blank screen, by the way.
	You couldn't see anything when you typed.
	The impressions that I got or the intuitive communications that I got and then I would do a series of keystrokes and it would send the message that I had just typed off somewhere and I had no idea where it went but I'm assuming it went to NSA.
	So then you had no idea really what was being said to you?
	Well initially the number strings were just number strings to me.
	They didn't mean anything to me, obviously.
	Maybe it was some sort of code.
	Maybe they were just testing my ability to pass numbers.
	I don't know.
	But there was a structure to the messages.
	I would initially get what I would call a preamble.
	It began with three numbers, which was 118.
	That would always be there, all the time, every time that they communicated with me.
	I would type 118 and then a slash and then usually a five digit number after that and I always called that the zip code.
	He was sending me the zip code and then a slash and then the ideas would come and I would type in the ideas and they were separated.
	Each idea or intuition or communication would be separated by a slight pause and I would always put a slash there.
	Okay.
	The total communication would last anywhere from 30 to 45 seconds.
	Sometimes even shorter.
	Alright.
	Ideas expressed in numbers or ideas expressed as you and I are expressing them now?
	I analogize that by saying It's very difficult or as difficult to explain intuitive communications or the actual communication and how it formed my mind and how I received it.
	It's the same analogy that you would say that how do you explain a color to somebody who was born without eyes?
	You can't do it.
	They don't even have any concept as to... Alright, well then let me try this angle of attack.
	It wasn't a language art.
	Were you typing letters?
	No, my interpretation of the communication was always in English.
	Give us all an example.
	An example of the numbers?
	No, of the ideas.
	Well, I'm not exactly sure what you're asking.
	Of course, an idea is a very ambiguous concept.
	You really can't explain an idea.
	The explanation of it is always in a language, correct?
	Yes.
	If I were to express to you... It would be in words, yes.
	Yes, it would be in words, whether that be in English or Mexican or whatever.
	You would describe it in a word or a language.
	My challenge all the time was to receive this intuitive communication And then translate that communication into the language of us, you know, the English language, and put it into the screen.
	Now, I would receive... Okay, well, if you did that for them, then you should be able to do it for us.
	Exactly, and I can.
	Initially, they were numbers, so that's obviously very, very easy to understand.
	Then I started to go into... I would be past launch data.
	Like a Chinese launch would happen and I would be past that.
	I would be past a lot of military type of information, military movements.
	Some things I really didn't understand what they were, like temperature type of stuff throughout the world, on the other side of the world.
	I would be past lat longs.
	How long were you in the military total?
	I was just a whole hodgepodge of information.
	Now at the end I was passed abduction data which is what precipitated my getting out.
	That's the whole story there.
	How long were you in the military total?
	A little over 12 years.
	Twelve and a half years.
	Twelve and a half years.
	Alright.
	Hold on Dan.
	Dan Sherman is my guest.
	He was a facilitator, a communicator, an intuitive receiver for... for who?
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	All right.
	Twelve and a half years is a very odd time to get out of the military.
	I was in the Air Force and I faced a decision, as everybody does, at the four year mark.
	Do you stay in or do you get out?
	And I made the decision to get out, went back overseas again as a civilian.
	Dan, on the other hand, was in for twelve and one half years.
	Now, normally somebody with that much time invested is going to stay in for twenty.
	Try and get their twenty years.
	But you did not do that.
	You got out after twelve and a half.
	How come?
	Well, it was directly related to the project.
	At the second base that I was receiving communications, I started to receive abduction data.
	what I thought to be abduction data and it was pretty readily apparent to me.
	Now obviously I don't know what was going on to precipitate the abduction data. I don't know if
	it was actually happening or not but I was receiving stuff that seemed like it was abduction data.
	Can you give us any sort of concept of how this came to you?
	In other words were you getting details of when there would be an abduction or when one had
	occurred, the results of one, Actually, it was more in the results category.
	I would receive a lat-long, latitude-longitude, a time, and the disturbing ones were, and let me explain a little bit about the communication itself.
	I've kind of likened it to a fabric or a tapestry. The communications was very, very
	elaborate. They were very deep in its structure, or not in its structure but in its feel,
	so to speak. I could sense not necessarily my alien contacts pain. It wasn't pain
	coming from them, but I could sense pain surrounding the actual communication. These are
	my translations of what they sent, but I was receiving things like potentiality for recall and
	And I had a range that I would report.
	Well, I just assumed that they would always send a number after it, and it appeared that the number would be anywhere between one and a hundred because of the I just equated it to the fact that this was what the chances of the recall of the actual abduction would be.
	be because it... Oh I see, you mean of the abductee recalling what... Okay, I've got you. So I would receive potentiality
	for recall and then a number and it was usually a high number so I
	pretty much thought that the recall potentiality wasn't real likely.
	In other words, the lower the number, the more likely.
	Exactly.
	That's what I assumed at the time that I was receiving these.
	Another heading would be residual pain levels, which was very, very difficult for me to stomach, and these were actually Usually in the mid, like in the 40s, 30s, and 50s, somewhere around there.
	Nerve response, I would receive that.
	I really didn't exactly know what that meant, but that was my translation of it.
	And also body normalization factor.
	And I really didn't exactly know what that meant either, but that was my translation.
	Body normalization factor.
	So anyway, these communications were really, really disturbing for me.
	You know, I'm a human, and I have emotions, I have feelings, and I sense that this was completely wrong.
	Just downright wrong.
	Did you ever get any feedback from the people that you sent this information to by computer?
	No.
	Not during my, not when I was, well, I would receive a couple of emails from my commander every once in a while, but it really had nothing to do with the actual communications.
	You know, my reporting of the intuitive communications.
	Right.
	And that's what you mean, right?
	That is what I mean, yes.
	I never received any feedback from it.
	I was going to say something.
	Was your military career, otherwise undisturbed, when you left the military, you left as an E-1?
	E-7.
	E-7.
	E7. E7? Or excuse me, E6. E6. I was shooting for E7s. I left it as an E6. Okay. Um, that's what I meant.
	In other words, did your work in this area cross in any way to the other work you were doing?
	Did you advance at a faster rate?
	No.
	Did you get any special privilege?
	No.
	Not because of my gray project, no.
	A lot of things that I was kind of in an interesting career field and interesting jobs whereby I
	was treated fairly well, but not because of the gray project but because of other lesser
	classified projects.
	I'd kind of like to go back to the onion effect and try to get people to understand why it's very, very difficult to come out with a story like this.
	The gray project is hidden behind the black project.
	A black project is hidden behind top secret and code word and compartmental type of things.
	And then it just goes right on down the line.
	When you pass by a base, when you drive by a base, you see planes or radar dishes or whatever.
	These are what you can readily see with your eyes.
	That's an unclassified mission, whatever it is that you see.
	It's unclassified information, obviously, because they can't hide visual things.
	Right.
	Then you step up into confidential and for official use only, whatever you want to call it.
	Then you would go to secret and then top secret and then black and then gray.
	When you have a great project, you have to have the black project surrounding it because
	that is what actually protects the great project from being found out by government officials
	and anybody who is doing any type of snooping around in that particular location, the base
	or the unit or whatever.
	So there is a hierarchy of information.
	If you do release any gray information and just locations like you were talking about
	Art, just locations, if I mention a location and the word black in the same sentence or
	in the same ideas, that is release of government classified information.
	So you have got to dance very carefully.
	Very, very carefully.
	It's readily apparent in the book, too.
	I only speak about particular things having to do with the Gray Project.
	I can't talk about bases.
	I don't mention any bases.
	Anybody can go to my military records and find out where I've been stationed.
	I even have a copy of my orders in there that sent me from what I call PPD base number one to PPD base number two.
	And on those orders are very, very revealing information, but yet I vexed out the things that are not accessible.
	Well, you've got a DD-214, everybody does, right, at the end?
	Yeah.
	Did you publish part of that?
	No, I haven't published my DDT.
	But you're right, anybody can pick it up.
	Also, the reason why I got out, I mentioned the abduction scenarios, that is what precipitated me trying to get out of the military.
	I tried to get out through what I call my unclassified, so to speak, chain of command.
	My career field, my electronic intelligence career field was very short manned and of course I couldn't get out.
	They had a shortage, a critical career field.
	So I couldn't get out under normal circumstances.
	So I asked my gray commander if I could get out, just an off chance that I had control over that situation.
	And he said that there would be no way that I could get out because my career field was critically manned and so on and so forth, just like what the other commanders had told me.
	But this was done over email in about a two or three hour period of time and obviously he couldn't go through the paperwork necessary to find out that I couldn't get out, right?
	So he sent back an email message saying, no, you're critically manned and all that stuff.
	Well, I sent back a message saying, well, I'm going to be getting out in November of 97 anyway, which I would have gotten out this month with my normal enlistment.
	And he sent back an email message saying, you're not going to get out then either.
	And that's what really set me off.
	I was like, what?
	That you're not going to get out when?
	Period.
	I'm not getting out.
	You're not getting out, period.
	Well, he said, you're not going to get out at your regular enlistment.
	I thought, how in the world can he do that?
	I don't understand how can somebody do that?
	I just don't know the logistics.
	Obviously, they can do a lot of things during war and all that stuff.
	They can extend your enlistment and all that, but I just didn't understand.
	That got me very, very upset.
	So I just took drastic measures, what I feel were drastic measures anyway.
	Well, and again, that's a legal issue that I can't really get into.
	But it's a way that the military has to get people out.
	And I went through it.
	I did it through my unclassified chain of command.
	And my unclassified chain of command, I know that they tried to intercede and stop it, They couldn't because of the nature of my discharge, why I was getting out.
	It was very interesting.
	It was a very tense moment.
	A very tense couple of months where I was back and forth as to whether I was getting out.
	It was just like a point of no return.
	Um, and you can't tell us the nature of your discharge?
	Um, well...
	It's in my DD-214, so... Did you make something up?
	That I can't discuss.
	All right.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry if I'm being a little bit... Pervasive?
	Yeah.
	And again, it's because of... Well, in this particular case, it has nothing to do with classification.
	It has to do with legal matters.
	Okay, so you got out.
	Prior to your getting out, other than abduction information, you mentioned something in here about earth change information, that kind of thing.
	What was that about?
	I was able to contact or communicate with my alien contacts on another level as well.
	Now, I say another level.
	I was able to communicate with him on the regular level in an informal way.
	It's just that we never did it on that level.
	We always did it on another level.
	What I mean by level is it's sort of like a different communication plane in the intuitive categories.
	Again, it's very, very difficult to equate to concepts that we understand.
	I actually stumbled upon this quite by accident.
	And I was able to, the bottom line is I was able to informally communicate with my alien contacts, which by the way I had names for.
	I didn't name them, I didn't call them the names, but I had names for myself.
	The first one I named Spock and the second one I named Bones.
	I was able to communicate with them in a little informal A little bit more informal basis.
	This was still while you were in the military or after?
	Oh yeah, oh yeah, definitely.
	As soon as I got out of the military, actually as soon as I was relieved of duty and debriefed, so to speak, I never received any communication.
	I never received any from my ailing contacts or from my commander.
	So I was completely dropped off the face of the earth, so to speak.
	All right.
	What can you tell us about the nature of the informal communication?
	The informal?
	Yep.
	Getting back to what you had just mentioned, I did ask one time, because I was kind of curious about the future of the Project Preserve Destiny and why I was doing it and if I could get a little bit more information from them.
	Every time I brought Preserved Destiny up, he always signed off and wouldn't discuss
	it.
	One time, and I can't remember how I asked it or how the discussion started, but he did
	say that the earth is in its very early formative stages and that we could expect a lot of different
	changes.
	That was all that I got out of it as far as what the future of Preserved Destiny is and
	what is going to precipitate the electromagnetic communication loss, if it is going to happen
	at all.
	Maybe I was just fed that as the cover story for the project and maybe that wasn't it.
	Who knows?
	Let's look at what are the things that could knock out electromagnetic communications.
	Asteroid strike.
	War.
	Nuclear detonation.
	Nuclear war.
	I thought about that.
	I gave that a lot of thought actually.
	I read a lot of books and I tried to educate myself on it.
	But I came to the conclusion that if this were true and that we were doing it to provide the worldwide communication link and we started it back in 1960.
	How could they have the knowledge that we were going to get into a nuclear war at a certain time in the future?
	Well, they wouldn't.
	So it might be a what-if scenario, or... Or it might be something that could be predicted in 1960 if you had the technology to predict it.
	Or it might be something like one of my guests suggested, like Greg Brayden, who is suggesting that the electromagnetic field of the Earth has decreased exponentially.
	While the Schumann resonance frequency has been increasing, and there will come a time, he says, when we will not have electromagnetics, or a magnetic field as we now understand it, and that would of course halt all communication.
	Yeah.
	And he claims there are numbers to substantiate that position, so I'm not saying that's it.
	I wasn't familiar with that, but yeah, there's There's so many scenarios that people have discussed and have been bantered about.
	Pole shifting and there's all kinds of things that can knock the electromagnetic communications out of whack.
	But that was one of the things that I discussed with him.
	I discussed some other things like time.
	I've always been interested in time and the concept of time ever since I was a kid and of course when this Opportunity arose.
	I tried to bring it up as much as possible to try to learn a little bit more about it.
	But whenever I discussed time or asked a question about time and we actually got into a question and answer session on it, I really was very, very inundated with information.
	I could not understand what they were talking about when they were talking about time.
	When it came to their mode of travel, I talked about that a little bit, and one of the things that I remember him saying is that he couldn't go backward and forward in time, because time is a relative thing, and in order to go forward or backward, you'd have to have a fixed point, and you don't have a fixed point in time.
	All right, Dan.
	Hold it right there.
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	It is, and that's me.
	And my guest is Dan Sherman with quite a story, and I'll try and summarize it in a moment and then allow you to ask questions.
	Now, I will try and summarize what we've got.
	Dan Sherman is with us.
	He was a military policeman, Air Force Security Police, for seven years or so, and at that time was approached by somebody at NSA after a career field change to electronic intelligence at that seven-year point.
	And he was trained at a special facility at NSA in a very, very interesting way.
	It is the most interesting part of his story, I believe, to communicate intuitively.
	They sat him down in front of a computer screen, which had ten little boxes in it with a flat line and then a sine wave traversing that flat line.
	Without any connection, bio-connection, to Dan, he finally was able to learn to, in effect, connect with these frequencies, he would hear a tone, and learn to flatten that line.
	And this was a method they used, after picking him, to teach him to, in effect, communicate with others.
	In this case, he says, aliens.
	Now, the reason he was picked for all of this was he was in the military, and his mother had been abducted in 1960 or 61, if I'm tracking this properly.
	And he is himself a genetic experiment.
	Not sure if experiment is the right word.
	Would that be the right word, Dan?
	Experiment?
	Is that what you think you are?
	No, actually the experimentation phase had ended.
	I'm a genetically managed product of the experiment.
	And the reason for all of this was global communications, in case electromagnetic communication would fail, for whatever reason you can imagine that might occur.
	I caution your listeners, that is what I was told.
	That's not necessarily the truth, as we all know with the military.
	I'd like to go over one thing that you said.
	It seemed like you had equated the tone to the frequency in the sine wave.
	The sine wave had absolutely no frequency.
	It's the tones in my earphones that I had to mentally hum that had to do with tones.
	The frequency, there was no frequency on the sine wave.
	So the sine wave is just a 180 degree sine wave.
	Just a straight tone, so to speak.
	All right.
	All right.
	What about since, you've been out of the military now for how long?
	I've been out since April of 95.
	April of 95.
	What are you doing now, aside from writing this book?
	Well, I'm attempting to go to school.
	I want to get a computer science degree.
	Finish school.
	Makes sense.
	All right.
	I would like to allow the audience to ask you some questions.
	There are elements of your story, Dan, I'll tell you up front, that seem very logical.
	And I understand how they would proceed with this kind of training.
	And there are elements of your story, perhaps because You can't tell us the whole story that are hard to buy.
	Yeah, I understand that and that was one of the difficulties in coming out with the story and of course that's what the military likes is that you can't get credibility sometimes because you have to hide some of the other things and it just helps them out, that's all.
	All right, let's see what the audience has to say.
	One of your listeners emailed me and asked me if I had a Honorable discharge, and I'd like to answer that question.
	Yes, it was an honorable discharge.
	It was honorable.
	Yes.
	All right.
	But again, you can't really reveal the nature... No, because of the switchback of... No.
	Okay.
	If you need to know, just get my DD-2 form... 214.
	You'll know.
	All right.
	First time caller line, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Good morning.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	My name is Virginia and I'm in British Columbia.
	OK.
	And the question that I have for Dan is I want to know what his dream state is like now.
	Is he still receiving communications through his dreams?
	Well, did he ever receive them through his dreams?
	That would be a good way to start.
	All right.
	Virginia, I didn't actually.
	I never received communications via dreams, but it's interesting that you should bring that up because right after Darien and right after I was going through school and I was awakening this ability, I was having incredibly lucid dreams, more so than I've ever had.
	It was very interesting.
	I explain it in the book, but it was like a dream within a dream.
	I would be dreaming that I was dreaming in reality, within my dream.
	I would wake up and wonder, okay, now is this part of my dream?
	Because my dreams are so lucid, parts of it were so lucid that I would think that I was still awake.
	It was very, very confusing and I had never gone through that prior to that date.
	I'd say about two or three months after I got out of the school, they subsided and it didn't happen anymore.
	I'm sorry ma'am.
	Repeat that please.
	I say this is a really good thing because I've been through this myself and that's what I was wanting to know because I do have periods of time where it just turns off and I don't seem to get any kind of communication whatsoever and makes you wonder and question what was going on so I just wanted to let you know you're not the only one out there.
	Well you know I mentioned earlier there were Perhaps thousands and even more so of people who were genetically managed for this particular procedure.
	Now, the PPD aspect of it was during those years, so I was told, and actually the experiment or the... Dan, what does PPD stand for?
	Project Preserve Destiny.
	Okay.
	So I always refer to the program as PPD.
	What do you think Preserve Destiny meant?
	Well, some military projects have to do with the outcome and some of them don't.
	Who knows?
	Because of what they told me, maybe the particular event in the future has to do with preserving our future, so to speak, or our destiny.
	I don't know.
	Only time will tell, I guess.
	Okay.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Hello.
	Hello, this is Dan in Virginia.
	Yes, sir.
	I've got three quick questions.
	Dan, do you have any recollection of being abducted yourself?
	This is my first question.
	And the second one is, have you been checked for implants?
	If I'm not mistaken, Art, I think you had some pictures of some tiny implants on your website about a year ago.
	Oh, yes.
	Yep.
	They're probably still there.
	And that's the second part.
	And the third part, are you sure you were communicating with aliens?
	That's a very good point.
	Very good point.
	All right.
	In order, then, have you ever been abducted?
	No, I haven't.
	Not to my recollection, anyway.
	All right.
	And, of course, that would probably answer the second question.
	I don't believe I have any of that type of paraphernalia hanging around the body.
	I don't have any unusual marks or scars or anything like that, but I really don't have any memory of being abducted.
	I think the only time I've been abducted is when I was in the womb, so I obviously wouldn't have any memory of that.
	Am I sure that I was communicating with aliens?
	That question has been asked to me many times.
	The only answer that I can have is, no, I'm not sure, obviously.
	I was communicating with something, but the nature of the communications was such that I had no question that it was not of human intelligence.
	But do I know that for sure?
	No.
	Do I know that it wasn't artificial intelligence of some sort?
	No, I don't know.
	Again, the feel and the interesting nature and just the whole aspect of the communication was just so utterly fascinating and abstract and completely different than how we even think.
	They weren't even thinking the way we think in terms of structure and sentence and all It's just completely different, completely different feel.
	So answer the question, I don't think so.
	I think I was communicating with an alien species of some sort.
	Alright, and for the audience that tuned in late, Dan left the military because he began
	to get very morally conflicted with the information he was receiving, which, a great deal of which
	apparently had to do with abductions, specifics about abductions, the chances of the person
	recalling they had been abducted, the pain levels they had endured, that sort of thing.
	And I guess you began to get conflicted with that morally?
	I would like to clarify on that.
	That is what led me to start the process.
	I think I would probably still be in today if I hadn't received that message saying, you're not going to get out, period.
	I think it started the vengeful side of me that said, okay, I am going to get out and you're not going to stop me, that type of thing.
	To clarify on that, I probably would still be in today if I hadn't gotten mad about that particular event.
	By the way, a fantastic program that you had.
	One of your affiliates out here just picked you up and I've got to compliment you.
	It's a heck of a show.
	I have a question for Dan.
	Can you elaborate once again on the pain levels?
	Were these on specific pre-chosen subjects?
	Or were you just at random trying to determine pain levels?
	Can you elaborate on that?
	Alright, now, yeah, that's a good question.
	You would receive, you said, messages that would be inevitably preceded by the numbers 118 Then what you called a zip code and then in effect the body of the message.
	So was that true with respect to these messages about abduction?
	Yeah, I would receive the preamble which would include my number and the zip code so to speak.
	In the abduction scenarios, I would receive times and I really didn't know what they correlated
	to, the times and dates actually.
	Also I would receive a latitude and longitude which a couple of times I did look up, actually
	about three times I did look up to see where they were.
	And of course I would get these different categories, you know, potentiality, free call
	and all those.
	And I would receive a number that would precede that number, not actually precede but go after
	that number, or actually after the category.
	And it would be anywhere between one and one hundred.
	And that was it.
	I didn't know what type of, you know, I didn't know if these subjects were being preselected
	for whatever reason, I had no idea.
	That was all hidden from me or not told to me.
	Okay, so in a lot of ways Dan.
	In this project, you were actually kind of a low-level operative.
	In other words, you had an ability through a genetic change that had been accomplished during your mother's abduction, and you happened to be in the military, so they tapped you on the shoulder, but you really weren't in on the full picture of things.
	You were just someone they were using.
	You were a conduit.
	Exactly.
	I was indispensable in as much as I have the ability, but I was just the conduit.
	Dan, I have a couple of questions for you here.
	I am in Bozeman, Montana and my name is Scott.
	Dan, I have a couple of questions for you here.
	First of all, what was your motive for participating in these classes after you found out that
	you had been genetically altered?
	I had absolutely no motive.
	I had no choice.
	When you are in the military and a captain tells you that this is what is going to go on,
	that is what is going to go on.
	There is no autonomy in the decision making process.
	That is really true.
	I can understand that part of it.
	Also, Scott, if someone were to tell you that and they were telling you that you were an integral part of this project and that aliens exist and all this information came at you all at once, wouldn't you be kind of wide-eyed and say, oh, okay, sure, let's go for it?
	I definitely would be.
	It was a very, very adventuresome time.
	I was totally enamored by the whole thing.
	I'm getting over the shock of the actual information itself, but this has validated every person's childhood dream of actually there's life elsewhere.
	Or maybe they're a nightmare, too.
	Well, that's true.
	First of all, the morality of it.
	They've kidnapped your mother, genetically altered her.
	And directed your life to be in the military.
	I'd be angry.
	Well, they didn't genetically alter her.
	You know, that's a good point.
	You said, I'd be angry.
	They did abduct your own mother.
	They genetically altered you.
	And now they're using you.
	And I would think that would, as the caller just said, I think that would produce... Well, that wasn't my immediate thoughts.
	My immediate thoughts were, wow, this is pretty cool.
	Yeah, that's fair.
	Over time, you're right, I did think about all that stuff.
	Also, you probably don't know the whole story, obviously, but I was actually an only child and my mother was told that she would never have children, period, because of an accident that happened when she was very small.
	So I firmly believe that It was probably because of their manipulation and their doctrine, so to speak, or whatever, that I actually was carried to term.
	So maybe I could attribute my life to them.
	I don't know.
	That's something that you can't prove, obviously, and you don't know for sure, but the doctors said that I was basically a miracle baby.
	There was just no way she was going to carry anything to term.
	Interesting.
	Colin?
	Indeed, she did have several miscarriages.
	Yeah, actually, I just have one more question here.
	No, you say that the government contact with aliens using alien technology to control people to be able to contact throughout the world isn't classified.
	But there are certain other aspects of your story that are classified.
	It seems like it would be a lot less of a revelation than That our government is working directly with aliens.
	He raises a good point.
	The baseline of your story itself seems to me it would be classified so black that for you to tell it, they would chew you up and spit you out, Dan.
	No, see the thing is, well first off, Project Preserve Destiny is a relatively new, or I The actual communication phase of the people when they are actually recruiting the people and training them, that has just recently started.
	I was probably one of the first PPD people to have those abilities.
	Have it revealed to them.
	Well, that makes sense with regard to your age and when you went into the military.
	Hold on, Dan.
	We'll pick up on this when we come back.
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	Very interesting.
	My guest is Dan Sherman.
	And I find as I listen to the interview progress, that I have, that I go back and forth.
	At one point I'm thinking, You know, I'm not buying this, but then there's other points where I am buying it.
	There's one thing we know for sure, and that is that there have been abductions, because I have talked with some of the world's experts in these areas, and there have been documented cases of abduction that are simply beyond question.
	With regard to proof, Bud Hopkins of course has documented very well one that occurred in New York City, that was documented by endless numbers of witnesses and there have been implants removed.
	And so, it would appear that there is substantial evidence for the fact that there were and are abductions going on.
	Now, if our government was aware of this, and was in communication with beings regarding these then what Dan did in the military might certainly make sense.
	But there are other aspects of the story and frankly I think it's because he cannot or will not tell us he says cannot tell us Some aspects of cooperating evidence, for example, where he was stationed, though all of this is available on his DD-214.
	So I find myself wavering back and forth, and I suspect I'm a lot like the rest of the audience.
	More questions for Dan in a moment.
	Dan's book is called Above Black, and I want to give him a chance to plug the book here, or a way for you to get the book.
	I take it, Dan, that all of this Is laid out very carefully in your book, right?
	Yes, it is, alright.
	Alright, how do they get your book?
	You said it is not published, so they can't go to their local bookstore and get it yet?
	No, not yet, and that probably won't occur until I feel that we're out of the gray area.
	Alright, what is the 800 number?
	The 800 number is 888-240-1825.
	And you can also reach it right now on Art's page.
	Right, we've got a, as a matter of fact, a link to your website.
	And you would just go to www.rvl.com and down in the guest area you will see Dan Sherman's
	name there.
	Just click on that link and you'll go over to his webpage.
	We will also have the address of AboveBlack.com up and running.
	in here a little bit.
	Okay, alright.
	Here is a question for you from Bangor, Maine.
	How did the government know that Dan's mom was abducted?
	Well this is obviously something that was in concert with the alien species and us,
	our government.
	I don't know the exact channels by which they kept that information.
	Uh, or communicated that information to one another.
	I have no idea, but it was obviously in concert with one another, so they would absolutely know, you know, what the names were.
	It's true.
	If there was a deal that had been cut between some alien race and our government, there are many who believe that, then that would be the kind of information that was transferred, of course.
	Sure.
	And you apparently were the conduit for their half of the information, but there must have been others like you.
	Oh, yeah.
	Um, was he ever given a thought picture of what the physical appearance of the alien intelligence was?
	Never.
	I never, well actually, you mean the physical appearance of the aliens?
	Yes, sir.
	Yeah, no, I never received that.
	My impression of the physical appearance of aliens is just like everybody else's.
	You know, the pop culture icon of it.
	All right.
	How did he record I don't know.
	I don't think it went to my PPT commander.
	I thought it went probably back to the NSA headquarters somewhere.
	No, I didn't.
	a computer screen to email that went to whoever was controlling you.
	I don't think it went to my PPT commander.
	I thought it went probably back to the NSA headquarters somewhere.
	Did you keep any independent records?
	No, I didn't.
	When you are in some sort of environment like that, well first off, they would have known
	if I was bringing stuff in and out, written down or otherwise.
	It never occurred to me that I would ever, ever come forward with this type of experience or my experience.
	It never occurred to me.
	I had no incentive to do that.
	Even if I did write it down, it's still uncorroborated evidence.
	I could have done that right now.
	I could have just went to my typewriter and typed it all out and said, oh yeah, I wrote this down at that time.
	It means nothing.
	I'd like to go back to something you said earlier, Art, about is he making it up or not.
	If I was making up this story, I would have a lot more answers.
	A lot more answers.
	I would have more elaborate answers.
	I wish I had all the answers.
	It would be a much more fascinating story.
	Let's go back for a second to the classification factor.
	because I, you know, I wish I had all the answers. It would be a very, very much more fascinating story.
	All right, let's go back for a second to the classification factor. There are certain aspects
	of your story that you cannot reveal because you say they would, they would in effect violate the
	law for you to be telling us this story.
	Nothing.
	and then give us specifics like the base you were at or whatever when you were getting
	a certain communication.
	That would absolutely violate the law and you would go to jail or worse, whatever.
	Well, yeah.
	I cannot associate anything that I did in the black world.
	Nothing.
	And I would like to address that a little bit more, I guess, because it is a very hard
	concept to understand.
	The gray projects are, in essence, not classified officially.
	Because when you classify something, you validate it.
	In some sort of record, some sort of database somewhere, you have to validate it if it's classified, if it's got a name to it.
	And they did do that.
	I was told that they did do that in previous years.
	I don't know exactly what the timeline is.
	In PPD, they actually went to the system of the onion layer.
	And they co-located every single mission aspect with a black project and that is how they hit it.
	I never signed one piece of paperwork having to do with grey projects.
	I never saw one written down name of the project.
	I was just told that it was called Preserve Destiny.
	I never received any communication having to do with an alien project.
	Dan, did you see the movie Contact?
	I did.
	Okay, good.
	Good, finally.
	Somebody else is on.
	Do you remember the very end of the movie where they were questioning Jodie Foster about the entire experience she had had?
	Remember that?
	And they were saying things like, do you have one shred of proof, anything tangible whatsoever, that could help us believe your story?
	And guess what her answer was?
	I know what her answer was.
	I'm wondering what yours is.
	It's a very, very good correlation to it.
	And of course, they touched on the, I think, A lot in the spiritual aspect of it, equating it to it, and faith and all that stuff.
	In essence, that is what I'm going through with the public and who I talk to.
	One guy I talk to, he's a publisher, he's got a catalog of interesting books like this, and he says, you're just part of the crowd coming out with something that you can't prove.
	Why did you even come out with this?
	You can't prove it.
	I said, you know, if we took that line of thought Yes, you're going to get bogus information.
	and so those people don't come out with their story, that's just ridiculous.
	It's ridiculous to think that.
	I mean, you have to get some information out so that you can start putting pieces of the puzzle together.
	Yes, you're going to get bogus information.
	I mean, that just goes without saying.
	But that's not to say that nobody should come forward with their stories.
	Fair enough.
	I mean, that's ridiculous.
	But again, to specifically cause you to answer that question, do you have one shred of physical evidence regarding your story?
	Not one shred of physical evidence.
	Okay.
	So in other words, you are asking us to take on faith what you're saying.
	You know, that is exactly what you have to do.
	But my background and the places that I have been stationed at, they are suspect locations for interesting things.
	I guess you just have to put two and two together and hopefully get five.
	If I was a military intelligence guy, And all of this was true.
	And I heard Dan Sherman on the radio saying what he had said and only holding back the bases where he had been.
	Of course, I have no way of knowing what else you're holding back.
	I would think it would be time for the men in black to come and get Dan and dip him in something until he decided not to talk anymore.
	You know, I constantly every single day think of that.
	I really do.
	And my wife thinks about it even more.
	But I don't think that that should be something that stops me from coming out because, and this goes back to a little bit of what I was saying earlier, I think I'm the first person that has actually gotten out of the military in Preserve Destiny.
	So I'm probably the first opportunity that anybody has had.
	To speak of it, not being in the military anymore.
	How much of the story that you have told this morning, no let me rephrase that, what percentage of the story are you unable to tell?
	Well, actually the stuff that relates to the story or to the gray aspect of it.
	It's not much.
	The black projects that I worked with had nothing to do with the gray projects.
	Nothing.
	Absolutely no correlation whatsoever.
	In actuality, there were people working around me.
	When you say, so the audience will understand, that you worked in a black project, that would be Let's pick one out of the air, alright?
	You worked, let's say, on the stealth fighter project.
	I'm just picking one out of the air here.
	Sure.
	In other words, a real military black project.
	Yeah.
	The stealth would have been in that category.
	So you worked in some kind of black project like that, totally unrelated to the gray area project, which we're talking about tonight.
	Exactly.
	There were people around me who were working on the Black Project with me that had absolutely no idea what Positive Destiny was.
	I'm sure.
	There might have been people around me who did know about it, but we didn't know each other because it was so compartmentalized.
	There were many, many people that worked around me on the Black Project.
	Can you describe the nature of the debriefing process that you would have subsequently been involved in?
	Specifically, what questions did your superiors ask about the communications and their content, if any?
	They never asked anything.
	I just communicated what I received into the blank screen and sent it off.
	I never received any direct contact with a person In relation to my communications.
	Now, peripheral things like administrative type of communications I would receive via email from my PPD commander.
	Actually, I never even saw, at the second base, I never even saw my PPD commander.
	I never saw him.
	I saw him the first day when I was introduced to him by the previous PPD commander.
	I saw him that day, and I saw him a couple of other times, and that was it.
	I mean, the whole time I was there, I never once saw him.
	All right.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Good morning.
	Yes, hello, Art.
	This is Mike in Philadelphia.
	Hi, Mike.
	I would like to say hi to all the two-way communicators worldwide.
	Okay.
	I always like saying that.
	All right, Dan, I have two questions for you, and I'll hang out for the answer.
	Number one is, when did such projects begin and end, if ever?
	And how would you know if you participated in one of these projects, willingly or unwillingly?
	I'll hang up for the answer.
	Thank you.
	Bye.
	Okay, well I'm not sure I understand the questions.
	When did they begin?
	When did they end?
	Well, I can kind of elaborate a little bit on when the actual communication phase began.
	My commander said that physiologically we weren't at our prime as communicators until we were about 25 years old.
	And that's about the time that I was recruited into it.
	That's right.
	That timeline would be just about right.
	So the actual communication phase started probably around, well, whatever 25 years is after 64.
	The experimentation phase started in 1960 and ended in 1963.
	The actual genetic manipulation started in 1963 and ended in what I was told in March of 1968.
	The actual genetic manipulation started in 1963 and ended in what I was told in March
	of 1968.
	And then of course those children grew up and here we are.
	You asked a question about how many participants willingly participated versus those who were
	unwillingly led into it.
	You know, Art, I can't imagine anybody unwillingly doing it just because of how my commander came across to me and how I explained it.
	It wasn't some sort of dictatorship.
	Plus the training as you described it would not have worked for somebody who didn't want
	to intensely concentrate.
	Yeah, that goes without saying.
	When you are in the military, if you haven't been in the military you really can't understand
	it, but when you are in the military you don't question things like that.
	No, I know.
	You just do it.
	I know.
	I absolutely accept that part of it.
	And if you do question it, you end up in big trouble.
	Yeah.
	It doesn't even cross your mind to question it.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Hello.
	Good evening.
	How are you?
	Fine.
	Hi, Dan.
	I've got a couple of questions and a comment.
	Where were you conceived, sir?
	Conceived?
	I was conceived in, I would assume, in the Valley of What month is your birth date, sir?
	April of 64.
	Okay.
	My personal belief is similar to yours, Dan.
	I effectively believe that I'm a genetically implanted, biogeneticized, integrated Anglo-Saxon or Gibiha.
	Another word for it would be a Gibiha.
	Genetically implanted, biogeneticized, integrated, hybrid, analog, cyber-droid.
	Good Lord.
	Is that an offensive card?
	I think that he's only legal in California now with 209.
	Anyway, sir.
	But anyway, then one level above that, the men in black, which was the one I just described as the MMCD, the main menu cyber-droids, the ones that have strict extraterrestrial DNA chromosomes.
	Is this leading to a question?
	Yes, it is.
	Which in my opinion is true, and I want to get his take on it, that they implant what they call electric, elected corridor injectors into the brains of embryos and stimulate their brains with various exciters and stimulate the growth of small inactive I don't know.
	I really don't know.
	brain active tissue and stimulate it until they become more intelligent.
	Would you agree that that is what the main aliens that surround us are doing at this
	time?
	I'll listen to my answer off the air.
	Boy, I don't know.
	I really don't know.
	I wish I knew answers like that because that's some interesting information.
	I don't know what the peripheral missions of all these abductions are and whether there
	are aliens among us and men in black and all that.
	I just don't know.
	I have absolutely no idea.
	Fair enough.
	So, all you know is, in other words, you know nothing about any implants or any of the rest of that and what happened to you was a genetic manipulation and Otherwise, you grew up with this talent as a result of that genetic manipulation.
	But even then, that talent had to be nurtured and you had to, in effect, learn what you could do.
	Actually, I took some pills, too.
	They made me take pills.
	You didn't tell us that.
	There's all kinds of aspects to the story.
	Obviously, you can't get every aspect of it over the radio.
	Yeah, I did take some pills initially in school and as well as at both bases.
	Did they tell you what you were taking?
	No.
	No.
	They asked, obviously, but they just said that it wasn't important for me to know.
	So, I didn't know.
	All right, hold on, Dan.
	This is just so very interesting.
	As Dan relaxes, we're learning more and more took pills.
	Here, son.
	Take these.
	Well, what are they?
	Oh, don't worry about it.
	Just take them.
	That would be the military, all right?
	Coast to Coast AM is what this is.
	I'm Art Bell and we'll be right back.
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	It is and I'm back again and my guest is Dan Sherman.
	I see.
	And a funny thing has been occurring during this interview, during the course of the interview.
	When we first began, it seemed to me to be a little rocky.
	I guess I'm telling you the mental process I've been going through as we've been doing this interview.
	And I kind of thought, you know, my BS meter was high.
	But you know, as the interview has progressed, There are several things that are apparent to me.
	One, if Dan was going to make all of this up, he would make it up with a lot more interesting details.
	He said that himself.
	And I think that's right.
	In other words, if you were going to weave a tale, you would weave a lot more dramatic, cooperating details into the story.
	The other is that if something like this really was going on, it would be highly compartmentalized, as Dan has suggested the program ran.
	Three is that, as I said earlier, abductions, I think, are beyond question.
	There are abductions.
	Somebody is abducting, or some bodies are abducting people.
	That has been proven again and again by a lot of very Substantial researchers from Dr. Mack at Harvard to Bud Hopkins to you name them.
	We've interviewed them.
	I believe abductions are real.
	For what purpose?
	I don't know.
	Could this be one of the purposes?
	Yes, it would make sense.
	Would communications occur in the manner Dan has suggested they occurred?
	Yes, that makes sense.
	His training in the military at NSA, in the Gray Project, made sense to me.
	The manner in which they taught him to communicate with these beings made sense.
	A sort of a brain retraining type of thing.
	And I have a couple of genetic questions for Dan, and obviously you do because the lines are packed.
	And so I wonder if, as you call this morning, You might want to comment on, if you have listened to the entire interview, whether your thinking has kind of gone along the lines of mine.
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	Dan, you're back on the air again.
	Do you understand the kind of various emotions that I've gone through as I've listened to
	your story?
	Of course I do.
	My BS meter would be pegged too.
	Yeah, but it's come off the peg and it's down there somewhere now and I'm beginning to become more and more interested.
	You took some pills, huh?
	Was this an ongoing thing?
	Did you take them only once, twice, or every week, month, what?
	In school, I took them every day that I went to school on the weekends.
	And when I was at my first base, my second base, I actually took them when I was at work.
	I never took them when I was at home, because I couldn't take them home.
	They were supposed to stay or reside at my workspace.
	All right.
	Here's a caller who might cause us to retrench a little bit.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art and Dan.
	Before I ask that, retrench that, or review, Do you know what men in black are?
	Who are you asking?
	I'm asking Dan.
	Okay.
	Do I know what men in black are?
	You don't have to tell me.
	Do you just know?
	No.
	Actually, as far as official, no.
	I don't know.
	I know as much as everybody else does according to the media.
	The thing I asked Art, I told Art I'd like to review it.
	My radio may have faded or I may have dozed, and I'm sure you've covered it.
	Now I assume when you were on the machine learning the technique that you were wired for EEG and this kind of thing, how did the computer know that you were getting the tone?
	Alright, that's a wonderful question.
	It will indeed cause us to retrench.
	Would you explain slowly, once again, exactly how they taught you to begin receiving these communications?
	You sat down at a computer?
	Sure, yeah, I sat down at a computer terminal.
	No mouse, by the way, until the last week or so.
	It was a computer screen, a very large one, probably more than 27 inches, a pretty big one.
	I had ten different individual screens within the monitor.
	Each one of them had a sine wave going through the center of the screen, its little individual screen.
	I had headphones on, which I was played tones, initially anyway, in the beginning.
	I was played different tones.
	As far as your question about the EEG equipment, there was no equipment hooked up to me at all.
	A lot of people said, well, did they have any type of monitoring device kind of hidden within the headphones?
	Well, they look like regular headphones to me, so I don't think so.
	And you were, in other words, you would hear the tone and then it was your job or your
	goal to try and modify this sine wave, ultimately flattening it out.
	Exactly.
	Flatten the line.
	So they were training your brain to be able to assimilate something or another, some kind of tone.
	Well, first I had to hone in on that actual ability.
	And then once that ability was there for that particular level or plane or whatever you want to call it, we can equate it to a tone, but it had nothing to do with tones as far as communication goes.
	Once that clicked, so to speak, and I zeroed in and focused, then I was to exercise or try to
	flatten the line even more and move the line, manipulate the line.
	How good did you get?
	Well, you have to have some sort of frame of reference when you ask how good did you get.
	I don't know if I was good or mediocre or great or what.
	In other words, from where you began, where I assume at first you could not manipulate the thing, how good did you get?
	The lines looked like they were just dancing everywhere, like a spectrum analyzer with a lot of music going.
	They were just dancing everywhere when I would translate whatever I was reading or looking at or whatever.
	Here's a question for you.
	Has his DNA been altered?
	The answer to that, according to you, Dan, is yes.
	And so an obvious question is, have you considered having your DNA looked at?
	I would be more than willing to do that.
	Some people have asked me about that in the past, and I'm all for it.
	I kind of, I'm curious as well, obviously.
	I mean, if there's something there that's different that's readily identifiable, That would be kind of neat.
	It certainly would bring credibility to the experience, obviously.
	But I kind of have some doubts as to what they'll find because when you search out DNA you have to be looking for something.
	If you don't know what you're looking for, I mean this is my... Then you've got a really big job.
	Yeah, exactly.
	They're having a hard enough time just finding things that they actually know exist.
	No, that's absolutely true.
	Or this.
	Hi, Art.
	Would you please ask Dan if he'd be willing to speculate about what the aliens and the government are up to?
	In other words, what's going on?
	The big picture.
	Any thoughts?
	Wow.
	You know, something happened to me while I was at school.
	I read the book and it had to do with noise cancellation.
	I saw a van and one of the times that I got out of the van that would take me to the schoolhouse, I got out of the van and I saw a light shining to the left of me in front of the van.
	Obviously I was very, very used to getting out of the van and going to the door, you know, that whole process and everything was the same all the time.
	Well, this light was different than what I was normally used to so I kind of looked at it and then I went around to the back of the van that let me out to see what was on the other side of the van.
	Well, actually I stooped down first and I saw there were wheels and I saw there was a vehicle on the other side of the van so I went around and I got to the back of the van and I looked I looked around and I saw a white van, another van parked next to it.
	Right.
	And just as I got around there, the van driver honked his horn and obviously startled me so bad that I rapidly turned around and walked towards the destination I was supposed to go towards.
	But in the short time that I saw that van, I saw a very distinguishable mark on it.
	It was a dent in the bumper.
	Well, later on, to make a long story short, I saw that van again, but it wasn't in the schoolhouse, it was outside when I was driving.
	And so I followed it, and it went to a company that specializes, or their whole mission is noise cancellation.
	And I thought, hmm, that's a very interesting correlation.
	How, you know, because here I am manipulating sine waves, and you know, obviously there's There could be some sort of link there somehow, some way.
	Maybe there's a black project co-located there that I wasn't involved with that had to do with noise cancellation, or what I was doing was some sort of experiment with that, with the human mind.
	So there's another avenue that it could be.
	I don't know.
	All right.
	I have a question for you, Dan.
	All righty.
	I have interviewed people from a company called Pear Inc., which has a product derived from research done at Princeton and it is a computer program that allows a person to sit down and basically it's a random number generator and you can pull down two photographs on the computer screen.
	One on the left, which I would favor, would be total random noise, you know, like a television with no antenna on it, right?
	Random noise.
	And on the right, you would bring down a photograph of, it doesn't matter, a bridge, a castle, a building, something.
	And these two images would begin to intermix.
	And your job would be to sit in front of the computer monitor and try and affect one of the pictures to predominate, to solidify you know the bridge or the random noise and you would sit there and concentrate and The computer program would score you on your ability to do that I've got that program and I have found and this is the honest to God truth folks I'm telling you that if you walk away and just let the program run on itself the scores will be tiny 8 10 12 14 15
	Twenty at the most.
	But if you sit there and concentrate and actually try to solidify one of the photographs, inevitably your scores will be 60, 70, 80, even 90 or better.
	And in other words, I'm telling you, it works.
	Now, it seems to me that with your training, Dan, you would be a prime candidate to try a program like that.
	Yeah, actually, that would be very, it'd be fascinating.
	To let you know, I have tried on my own, on just regular equipment, because in electronic intelligence we work with spectrum analyzers and oscilloscopes and all that stuff, and I have sat there during an eight hour period and tried to move some sort of electron, the actual sine waves in the screen.
	To no avail.
	To absolutely no avail.
	So I obviously came up with the conclusion that it was obviously some sort of technology there that is either alien technology or very, very classified human technology or whatever.
	I don't know.
	This is why I'm leaning toward believing your story, I think, Dan, because at every opportunity, every corner where you could have told us something That would be incredible or amazing or easy to say.
	I'm boring instead, right?
	Well, boring's not the right word.
	You're just giving answers that I can respect.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Hi, Art Bell.
	This is Nick from Jen Moses, Illinois.
	Hi.
	Hi, Nick.
	First of all, I just want to thank you for the incredibly interesting and fascinating guest that you've had on over the last few months.
	Sure.
	Richard Hoagland, Sean David Morton, Craig Braden, Al Belick, Malachi Martin.
	Many, many.
	They're just incredible, and especially Daniel Brinkley.
	My question, I guess, is what is the alien perspective of the Earthlings and the government that they're working with?
	Do you have any idea of how they ever treated those not of their kind, but of ours?
	Other than yourself?
	No, I don't have any idea.
	Was that all your question?
	I think so, yes.
	I don't have any idea how they treated any people that they've ever met personally, if they have.
	I do know that they have, in my communication, when you communicate intuitively, it's an extremely elaborate communication.
	The two-dimensional or one-dimensional or even half-dimensional communications that we have, in comparison, is extremely elaborate.
	You sense a lot of things in the peripheral that, quite frankly, are very, very foreign to me.
	I didn't know exactly how to feel about them.
	But I sensed an extreme compassion for us.
	It wasn't the same type of compassion that we have, I guess.
	But it was almost as if they took pity on us or we were a lower life form and they were very magnanimous and that type of thing.
	Also, I thought it quite interesting, in several of the communications, they referred to us as water humans or water entities.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I thought that was quite interesting.
	Does that say that they're not made up of as much water as us, probably?
	I don't know.
	And that is my, obviously that was my translation of what they were calling us.
	That's the closest I could come to putting it into English words, but it was water entity or water vessel or water human, something like that.
	Well, that's really not a surprise.
	I think, and I can't remember what the figure is, but our bodies are made up of some great percentage of Yeah, and maybe that tells us that their bodies are not made up of as much water.
	I have speculation also on the pills that I took in relation to some of the discussions I had with my alien contacts.
	What do you think they were?
	I think that they were designed to increase the oxygen level in my body.
	Maybe they were a requirement, and maybe the reason that you have not been able to duplicate moving any sine wave.
	Well, I tried that during the time that I was taking that, so... Oh, oh, okay.
	I'm glad you told us that.
	All right, well, this gets more interesting as we go.
	Dan Sherman is my guest.
	His book is Above Black, and we'll tell you how to get that again shortly.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	Please see review 137348 on PissedConsumer.com But all I thought you'd given me is conscience again.
	If I were walking in your shoes, I wouldn't be wearing them.
	Are you and your friends worried about me?
	I haven't had lots of fun.
	Here I am.
	Good morning.
	Very, very, very interesting interview.
	Dan Sherman is my guest.
	of the Rockies dial 1-800-825-5033. That's 1-800-825-5033.
	Now, here again is Arthel.
	Here I am. Good morning. Very, very, very interesting interview. Dan Sherman is my guest.
	He participated in a program that caused him to eventually write a book called Above Black,
	We're going to ask about that book again here in a moment.
	It was called Project Preserve Destiny and it involved his mother being abducted and In or about 1961, and then his use as a conduit, that's my word, in the military for communications, and he has not yet been able to duplicate that, nor does he have the big picture, but he does have a lot of details about what he actually did.
	Back now to Dan Sherman.
	Dan, when you were in school, in front of that computer screen, Were there others near you, around you?
	Did you see other people being trained as you were?
	Yes, actually.
	There was one person that was going through school at the same time that I was.
	Did you know this person's name?
	No, actually, when I was first indoctrinated into it, or first told about it and briefed, I was told that I wasn't actually to speak to that person.
	We never spoke to one another, ever.
	Not one word.
	We nodded to one another, hello and all that, but never once spoke.
	All right.
	We're on about 400 radio stations nationwide.
	There's a chance that that other person is out there.
	Now, if that other person were to come forward, then suddenly your story would take a great leap in credibility.
	I would imagine he's still in the military.
	Oh.
	But yeah, you're right.
	Now, presumably there may have been others who have been through the same training.
	Oh, I'm sure there are, yeah.
	Is there a way that any of them could get in touch with you?
	Do you have an email address?
	Yeah, actually they can go to the website and it'll be there.
	Alright, and listen folks, if you want to see Dan's website, and I suggest you take a look, just go to my website, www.artbell.com, That's, and somebody asked me to spell it, it's not all that hard, it's A-R-T B-E-L-L, like Ma Bell, dot com, and go down to the guest section, you'll see Dan's name, click on the link, and you'll go to his website.
	Your book is available to be shipped now, is that correct?
	Yes it is.
	So if they order now, they'll get it how soon?
	Probably within five days.
	Five days, alright, and you've got a 1-800 number, what is it?
	I'm sorry, I say 1-800, so it's not an 800 number.
	It's a toll-free number.
	Right, toll-free.
	1-800-240-1825.
	1-800-240-1825.
	And aboveblack.com should be up in a couple days so they can go directly to it.
	All right.
	Actually, the 800 number is an automated order taking line.
	Yes, good morning.
	Just a comment and a question.
	First of all, the comment is that I can lend a lot of credence to what he's saying as far as just the terminology and the way he's phrasing things.
	I'm in the military myself right now.
	I am a military linguist.
	Oh yeah.
	And I was wondering, maybe you've ever read the book about us called Puzzle Palace?
	Mm-hmm.
	I have read it.
	Okay, then you might know what I'm talking about.
	In part of the book, they talk about how military linguists are used in alien interaction, reporting on I firmly believe that my career field, the electronic intelligence career field, had absolutely nothing to do with my involvement with The Great Project.
	linguists that work in the same field that you do?
	Were you in touch with anybody like that?
	I firmly believe that my career field, the electronic intelligence career field, had
	absolutely nothing to do with my involvement with the Gray Project.
	I think that anybody who is in a career field that can work with the black project that
	surrounds the Gray Project, they are the ones that are probably going to be involved with
	the Gray Project.
	So it doesn't necessarily mean that you have to be an e-linter.
	You could be, like you said, a linguist.
	Any comment, any jamming or anything like that that could be associated with a black project.
	How would somebody go about getting into something like that?
	Well, I don't think it's something that you pursue.
	I think it's something they pursue.
	Now, as far as the career fields go, yeah.
	But when I went into that career field, I didn't know that I would be involved with black projects.
	I had no idea.
	All right, let me ask you a question.
	Thank you, caller.
	Suppose you hadn't gone into that career field.
	Suppose you'd remained in security.
	Do you think they would have come to you?
	I don't think that I would have been in a position to be involved with a great project, no.
	Okay.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Hi.
	Hi, Arbel.
	My question for Dan is, It's kind of a two-parter.
	One, is he aware of more than one alien race?
	And two, is he aware of any kind of hierarchy or ordered structure within that alien race?
	Good questions.
	Okay.
	Stay on the line.
	More than one alien race?
	Yeah, I did get the impression that there were more.
	I asked about it because I have a kind of a Christian fundamentalist type of I'm not a fundamentalist, but a Christian belief system.
	That was something that was very, very interesting to me, so I wanted to find out more about it.
	What I got from Bones was that there are two creations.
	Everything has been created.
	I got the impression there was a creator.
	He said there are two creations.
	One is a non-intelligent creation.
	and the other is an intelligent creation.
	And he led me to believe, or I got the impression, that there are more than them and us
	in the intelligent creation.
	So, that answers that question.
	I think there are more than one alien race.
	And what was your second question, Culler?
	Was he aware of any kind of hierarchy or maybe some kind of political system
	within the alien race?
	Okay.
	No, I never got any impression of that, No, I can't answer that.
	You said your background is as a fundamentalist Christian.
	Surely this information and your involvement in receiving it must have been terribly challenging to that.
	Yeah, that first day when I went home, or I went back to the hotel after I was told, boy I went through all kinds of questions and of course I had no answers so it was very frustrating.
	But yeah, I started to question my religious convictions.
	Is there a God?
	Is there something that makes order out of chaos?
	It just stood to reason there had to be.
	So then when you received the message about two different sorts of creation, did that comfort you or challenge you?
	Well, actually, not only that.
	A lot of times I never got a direct answer like you and I would talk and you say this and I say this.
	It was a lot of impression and then I had to deal with interpreting what exactly they were saying.
	But my impression was that we all come from the same creator, them and us.
	And there is one creator.
	Alright, was that an objective, do you think, impression?
	It may not have been, Art.
	Again, my religious beliefs may have tainted that.
	I don't know.
	I have no way of knowing, actually.
	But I felt comforted, especially in a couple of conversations we had, or communications we had.
	I felt comforted in my beliefs.
	I can't specifically say that Jesus came to earth and died for our sins and all that stuff.
	No, but they talk about creation nevertheless and two forms of it at that.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Where are you please?
	Hello Art.
	Yes, hello.
	I can barely hear you.
	I'm sorry.
	I've got a cold.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	A lot of us do right now.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Salt Lake.
	Okay.
	Hi Dan.
	Hi.
	I think your story is true.
	I really believe you, but I think you should talk to your mother.
	I'm serious.
	Yeah, I know.
	You know, I've already discussed some of this with certain family members and it's created a lot of heartache.
	Well, they don't understand that your mother is also involved.
	Well, I think that she's involved to such a small degree, I mean now, obviously at the time she was a very integral part of it.
	Yeah, you're right.
	I probably should, but I don't want to create a chasm between my mother and I and I think that this may do it.
	It may not.
	I may be thinking wrong here, but eventually I know it will probably come out.
	Well, there are two ways of looking at this and I think the caller makes a good point.
	One is that it might be better, Dan, that she would hear it from you.
	Yeah.
	Then somebody is eventually, particularly after the kind of exposure you're getting on this program, somebody eventually is going to go to her and say, hey, I know your son.
	Yeah.
	He wrote a book.
	You ought to read it.
	It has to do with you.
	I'm sorry, folks.
	I made a mistake.
	My name is Bob Smith, not Dan Sherman.
	Is it worth asking whether Dan Sherman is your real name?
	Yes, it is.
	It is your real name?
	Yeah.
	Then you've got to know the chance you're taking.
	Yeah, I know.
	And the caller is right.
	At some point, you probably should go to your mom before somebody else does.
	Yeah, I've been preached this before, I know.
	But it's a very, very difficult thing.
	You know, the first person I told was my fiancee at the time, because we were getting married and I thought it was important for her to know.
	And I was almost in tears telling her, because it was so difficult to do.
	How did she handle it?
	She accepted it with absolutely no question because she knows who I am and what I stand for and how honest I am.
	She knew me, so she didn't have any question.
	Alright, first time caller line, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Hi.
	Hello Art.
	Good morning to all insomniacs.
	Yes.
	I'm pretty familiar with our friends at Fort Meade.
	How would you go to your school?
	That's an interesting aspect of the whole experience.
	I was actually picked up in a van at my hotel at the Holiday Inn in Glen Burnie.
	Yeah, well, I don't know.
	I don't know if it is now.
	Right off the exit there?
	Huh?
	Right off the exit?
	At Fort Meade?
	The one right outside of Fort Meade, or no?
	No, uh-uh.
	It's actually right down the road from BWI Airport and the Fanex complex.
	Okay, right.
	Okay, right.
	Okay, over by the annex.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Sorry, Glen Burnie.
	I'm not thinking.
	Sure.
	I know.
	Anyway, I was picked up by a van and I was transported to this place and we would end up in a garage looking thing.
	Well, not actually.
	It didn't look like a garage.
	It just had black walls and the doors were already closed by the time I got out.
	Actually, the driver controlled the locks on it.
	Did the van have windows or not?
	Initially, the van did have windows in the beginning.
	They changed the van mid-stream though, and the second one I had had no windows at all.
	But the windows that I did have in the first one, they were all blacked out.
	You couldn't see anywhere.
	You couldn't see out of them at all.
	So you didn't know which way you were going?
	No, I had absolutely no idea, and I tried.
	I even tried to, because you can sense movement whether you're going right or left and all that.
	I tried to get a grasp on where we were going.
	Every single time that we went there, we went a different route, and I know they did this on purpose, but we went a different route, and it took even different amounts of time.
	Sometimes it would take, it never took any shorter amount of time than maybe 15 minutes, but sometimes it took up to 45 minutes.
	So, I have absolutely no idea where it was.
	All right, so, I've got a lot of notes.
	I'm calling from Cleveland, by the way.
	Cleveland, alright.
	My name is Dan, also.
	I guess one of my questions is, maybe why didn't you stay with the program?
	Did you feel you needed to divulge this before you left?
	No, no.
	I had absolutely no intention of telling anybody this.
	And he's already really told us why he left the program, but it bears repeating.
	Well, yeah, I mean, you know, what I wonder is why maybe you didn't feel you, I don't know, I guess you weren't thinking of divulging anything at the time, but was your curiosity not up to the point of maybe I should stay with this?
	Yeah, okay, let's ask him about that.
	Yeah, I understand where you're coming from, caller.
	Thank you.
	In other words, take us through the decision process.
	I wasn't in the program to learn stuff.
	I was in the program because I had to be there.
	Initially, when I first started the communications with Spock, it was just so fascinating to me.
	I was like a kid in a candy store.
	I was like, wow, this is so fascinating.
	But after the first couple of months, and especially in the beginning because I was only fed strings of numbers, and that was it.
	I just did it out of habit.
	It just became so mundane and so regular that I really didn't even think about it anymore as far as being fascinating and all that.
	Once you do something for a couple of years, it's like a pig living in mud.
	He doesn't know he lives in mud.
	That's his environment.
	It's not fascinating anymore.
	It's not unique and interesting.
	But then apparently you began to get another form of communication.
	Yes.
	And that's when you began to have reservations about what you were doing.
	Yes.
	And I'll be honest, I wasn't happy in the military and other aspects too.
	My job was great.
	I like my job, my regular job.
	But there were other aspects of it and I did want to get out.
	But that was the straw that hit the camels back there.
	I started feeling really, really bad about that.
	I started to get really depressed about it.
	Then the captain told me that I wasn't getting out.
	It was just a culmination of a lot of things.
	Dan, we've got one more hour and it's all yours if you want it.
	Can you handle another hour?
	Sure.
	All right, then consider it done.
	Stay right there.
	Dan Sherman is my guest, and it's really funny.
	I have come full circle with respect to how I feel about what Dan has said.
	I really have come full circle.
	At the beginning, I had high doubt, and as we've gone along in the interview, I've come to have more and more confidence that what I'm hearing is the truth.
	It never ceases to surprise even me, what I do on talk radio.
	And it just never ceases to surprise me.
	I rarely do requests, but here it is.
	This is my wife's favorite song.
	She says it describes her.
	A lot of you out there want to hear it, I guess, so here it is.
	Listen carefully.
	does it describe you, my dear?
	I love you.
	I'll be there every moment in my good time.
	On the seven o'clock she finally loves another day.
	And I'm still in hope to finally love another day Running every time, it's beautiful to see the stage inside
	Watching in slow motion as you turn around to say I'm still in hope to finally love another day
	from east of the Rockies dialed That's 1-800-825-5033.
	800-825-5033. That's 1-800-825-5033. From woods to the Rockies, including Montana, Wyoming,
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	First time callers, dial Art at area code 702-727-1222.
	702-727-1222.
	This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell.
	Now again, here's Art.
	All right, Dan Sherman, back again.
	702-727-1222. 702-727-1222. This is Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. Now again, here's Art.
	Smart, indeed. All right, Dan Sherman, back again. Are you there, Dan? Sure am.
	All right.
	Well, it's been a long haul, but you know, it's been worth it, Dan.
	It's been just very, very interesting as the interview has gone on.
	I found myself very much in doubt in the first hour, then a little lesser in the second hour, a lot less in the third and much less in the fourth.
	And it's, I don't know, it's very interesting.
	I find you credible.
	And I'm not exactly sure why.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Hi.
	Hi Art, this is Matt in Eau Claire, Wisconsin.
	Eau Claire, Wisconsin, yes sir.
	Okay, first of all, I do agree with you that the believability has just gone on as Dan has talked and I think a lot of that just has to do with you can tell by the way somebody talks.
	You listen to them and you can feel whether or not they're making this up as they go.
	The other thing is, I've got a question for him.
	As I understand it, this is a government-run operation that he was involved in at the time, or military, I mean.
	Yes.
	Correct?
	Well, but the fact is, have the aliens that he talked to, have they made any contact with him since he's left that program?
	I mean, I would surely consider that Dan would agree that they have the power if they want to do that sort of thing.
	All right.
	Well, remember two things now.
	One, Dan was taking some pills.
	Some sort of chemicals.
	At the time he was doing this, we really don't know exactly what they were.
	No, there has been no communication, right Dan?
	Since?
	No, uh-uh.
	And you've tried?
	Well, again, they are the ones that initiated it.
	I never initiated a communication.
	So, for me to try, I would be for me to do something that I never did in the first place.
	I hear you.
	Alright, also, when your connection with the military severed, your connection with, um, you gave them names, Bones and Spock, also severed.
	Oh, definitely, yeah.
	Okay, well then that clearly implies, clearly implies that It's a military or a government cooperation between an alien race or races and our government.
	Would you agree?
	Yeah.
	You know, I still hear people recap things and I think, you know, this is just so hideously unbelievable, but I went through the experience.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Hi.
	Yes, good morning.
	I think Dan almost answered my question.
	What I was wondering is, Dan, did you get any kind of a feeling how they were being treated?
	Were they being held as captives?
	Could you pick up on any of that?
	Are you referring to the abductees?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Not the aliens, but the abductees.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	No, I never got the impression that They were being held captive or anything like that.
	I just got the impression that it was being done against their will, for one.
	It wasn't an all-encompassing evil type of thing.
	It wasn't anything like that.
	But it did strike the human cord in me in that these people are being taken against their will.
	That's what I felt.
	It was against their will.
	Obviously, you wouldn't have these types of categories like potentiality for recall and things like that if they weren't against their will and there wasn't some stuff going on, pain stuff going on because you have residual pain levels.
	Obviously, something was going on.
	Were these actual abductions that I was being reported?
	Well, who knows?
	They were reporting numbers to me initially at my first location mainly.
	If they were in code of some sort, why wouldn't they just pass me the code or pass the abduction data in a code of some sort?
	All these questions come to mind and I even start questioning The validity of what I was experiencing as far as the truthfulness of the information I was receiving.
	So there's one corner after another that you have to think about.
	Do you believe that the aliens were in complete cooperation with the government or could they too have been a hostage?
	No, well I don't know if they were in complete cooperation.
	I mean I have No idea what the extent of the cooperation is and how deep it goes and how extensive it is.
	But I don't think they were being held against their will.
	I never got the impression that they were doing anything that wasn't against her will.
	Alright, Ease to the Rockies, you're on the air with Dan Sherman, good morning.
	Good morning, my question is then...
	Where are you sir?
	I'm calling from Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
	Okay.
	And you know, if the human race is really like, you know, according to Zacharias Sitchin,
	really just Nephilim and you know, like hybrid gorilla aliens or whatever, you know what I'm saying?
	The human race isn't actually like a creation of God in a week, you know?
	That it's actually just aliens from Marduk or wherever, you know?
	The planet, the two planets that are supposed to have disintegrated between Mars and Jupiter and that's what the asteroid belt is.
	And we're that planted race here?
	Why are we still bickering with each other?
	You know?
	I mean, what is the point?
	What is the whole great point?
	Are the gods laughing at us in, you know, satellites?
	You know, just orbiting the Earth looking at Ronald Reagan going, well, I can do this whole Star Wars thing and just I'm just kidding around with him.
	Well, gay, I'm not president anymore, but Mr. Clinton will get out of office and me and Pat Robertson will jump on
	some Contra ponies with the Duke and D.W. Griffith and the Giff Sisters on an ice cube and go over Niagara Falls just
	like Marilyn Monroe and me.
	I'm just kidding around with you.
	We get the picture.
	Yeah, so I mean, you know, what do you think of all that, though, if it's honest?
	That the human race is a hybrid of aliens and primates.
	Yeah, it's a good overall question, and I suppose you can only speculate.
	I don't believe that.
	You know, there's so many different aspects of reality that we have absolutely no clue even exist.
	All we can see is what we can see.
	Sometimes we're not in a position to question what we can't see.
	It's a very abstract idea of what's going on in the outer realm that we can't see.
	There's probably many different reasons why they're here that we don't know and I don't know.
	Maybe even the government doesn't know.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, you can get off into so many different intangible discussions with that.
	Exactly.
	And by the way, for you folks up in Wisconsin, we've already got two calls from there.
	One of the three locations that I did look up was in Wisconsin.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Objection locations.
	Yep.
	All right.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Hi.
	Morning, Art.
	Morning, Dan.
	Hi.
	The aliens are basically trying to teach us how to use our minds properly?
	Meaning our God source?
	You mean using our minds to the fullest extent?
	To the fullest extent.
	Well, I don't know about us.
	Um...
	Well, for the...
	I don't know.
	It sounded to me like you were just used for a very, very specific purpose.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I would say that, and this is just my speculation, that our minds are capable of a very great deal indeed.
	Oh, I'm totally convinced of that, yeah.
	And they just brought forth one little part of that in you for a very specific reason.
	Yeah.
	And we've conjectured on the reason, and the reason that my commander told me, But, again, we don't know what the real reason was.
	Maybe that wasn't the real reason.
	If you were to guess, Dan, and that's all it could be, I suppose, right now, do you think this program is still going on?
	Oh, I'm just absolutely positive it is.
	I have no doubt it isn't.
	Okay.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Where are you, please?
	Oh, good evening.
	Thank you.
	Calling from South David, Mississippi.
	Yes, sir.
	Um, I was wondering if he had any physical, uh, side effects, uh, in the, uh, either the schooling or the experiment.
	Um, you know, I was just thinking if, um, I was in Air Force Intelligence and I wanted to test... What part?
	If, uh, let's say I was in Air Force Intelligence and I wanted to test out a mini field harp, uh, program to see what, uh, would happen if I transmit stuff.
	I'd probably make up an alien explanation to the subject because he wouldn't have any reason to need to know the details.
	And your guest with the HAARP information the other night, some of it sounds awfully familiar.
	You know, people have brought up the HAARP issue and I actually wasn't even familiar with it until people started bringing it up in relation to what I experienced.
	You know, there are so many different projects in the military having to do with electromagnetic stuff.
	You know, weapons and sonar finders, so to speak.
	Electromagnetic searching type of technology.
	I mean, there's just a ton of stuff out there.
	And whether it's correlated with what I did in the Gray Project, I have absolutely no idea.
	Now, I can conjecture on the noise cancellation thing because I kind of What made you follow that van?
	Extreme curiosity.
	I mean, wouldn't you?
	location wise but other than that I have no idea.
	What made you follow that van?
	Extreme curiosity.
	I mean, wouldn't you?
	Actually I was exiting off of the highway there going to the hotel and I came up to
	the light and there were two lanes there and I was turning right and over on the left lane
	there was a van and it was a white van and right out of the corner of my eye I just noticed
	it and I looked at it again and I thought, you know, that looks like an awful lot like
	but no it can't be, there's just no way.
	But my eyes were looking at it and I kind of went down to the...
	Well, I found the bumper and I saw the dent there.
	Oh, yes, yes, yes.
	And I just completely freaked out.
	I was like, wow, okay, I've got to go follow this.
	I've got to go follow it.
	But then I started thinking, well, wait a minute.
	What if it's the captain's van?
	Because there were no external markings or anything like that.
	It was just a white van.
	And I can't even remember what the license plates were.
	I think I was too excited about it.
	So I kind of questioned, you know, we were sitting there at the stoplight and we weren't going, so I was kind of questioning, well, should I follow it, should I not, should I follow it?
	So I said, yeah, of course I'm going to follow it, I can't pass this up.
	So I followed it and I followed it to the company that I was telling you about earlier.
	Remarkable.
	All right, East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Good morning.
	Good morning, Mr. Bell.
	Hi, where are you?
	I'm in Memphis, Tennessee.
	Memphis, all right.
	Yes, sir.
	In any of your contact with these aliens, did they ever mention if they listened to Howard Stern?
	Actually, my guess would be not if they want their world, wherever it is, to remain stable.
	You know, actually, I think one of them was Howard Stern.
	Thank you.
	Well, to the Rockies, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Hello.
	I just have two quick questions, if I may.
	Sure.
	What do aliens eat and do they go to church?
	I don't suppose you're able to answer either one of those.
	Well, the eating aspect, no, I had the impression that they did have some sort of nourishment.
	I guess that would be obvious.
	Interesting enough, though, I kind of touched on the life span issue.
	I got the impression that they had a similar life span than us as far as our concept of time and perhaps even shorter life span than us.
	Really?
	Can you give me any sense of how you came away with that impression?
	Well, again, a lot of these conversations I had over time.
	I kind of assimilated information over time and kind of put two and two together and this and this together.
	It wasn't like I had a transcribed dialogue of individual pieces out.
	But I have certain memories of the discussions that we had and what my opinions formulated into over time.
	Alright, that's pretty general.
	You said your impression was that they had a shorter lifespan.
	Can you give me a sense of what added up to that impression?
	We were discussing... I think that same discussion I asked him about the sexes.
	If they have a sex, sexes and things like that.
	And he said yes, they have two different sexes.
	And then somehow we got into the conversation of, and again this isn't a lengthy conversation where you're talking for four hours.
	I understand.
	When we did discuss informally the discussions probably went on for about a minute or even less sometimes.
	Sure.
	But I did ask him and then I guess the question My thought evolved into their lifespan when they died, and I think that's when I discovered it.
	But again, when I say I got the impression, it's because of the intuitive communication is not a, you know... A direct question and answer.
	Yeah, it's not word after word after word, and it's not linear.
	It's a very non-linear communication.
	All right, makes sense to me.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Hello.
	How you doin'?
	Uh, doin' alright, sir.
	Where are you?
	Uh, Kansas City, Missouri.
	Okay.
	Okay, I got a couple quick questions.
	Okay, one, does the military assign an MOS, which is a military occupational specialty, for this?
	Oh, no.
	I can answer that one.
	No, not the Great Project.
	Okay, then also, um, I'll get off the phone here.
	Can you go in, like, a little more detail of what your genetic, um, uh, what'd you say it was?
	Genetic alteration was, and also, Did you ever like find out where these aliens were at or get any kind of impression where they were talking to you from?
	Alright, that is a fair question.
	I think the first answer is no.
	He's already answered that.
	Though genetic testing might be in the offing and he's certainly up for it.
	Sure.
	But the other question is interesting.
	Any idea with regard to did they ever tell you where they are from?
	I never got an impression of where they were.
	I asked on several occasions Where they came from and how they got here and if indeed they came from a long distance.
	I always got the impression when I ever talked about any type of travel or location or anything like that, that time absolutely meant nothing to them.
	Time was not a concept that they were bound by.
	It was a concept that our reality or we as humans were bound by but not them.
	So therefore distance, when you're not bound by time, distance is no longer valid either.
	So I just never got the impression of how far they were, where they were from.
	But as far as mode of travel, he said that, and I touched on it a little earlier, he said that they actually went around time.
	Around time?
	Yeah, they didn't go through time, but they went around time.
	With some sort of electromagnetic energy and using time.
	So in other words, very much like Howard Stern.
	All right, hang tight.
	We'll be right back and do another half hour.
	Dan Sherman is my guest from the high and rainy desert.
	I'm Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
	Stay right where you are.
	There will be more.
	For 20 call now.
	All right.
	I just got this from Dale in Atlanta, Georgia.
	He says nine manatees have just been found dead in the Gulf Coast around Fort Myers, Florida, and red tide is suspected.
	Interesting.
	Lately, Dan, we've been receiving a lot of kind of ominous news about the environment, our environment.
	Were any messages you received oriented toward warnings or anything that would have to do with the environment at all?
	No.
	Nothing.
	Nothing?
	Nothing.
	Alright.
	Sorry.
	That's quite alright.
	I wanted to ask.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	I just would like to know if you could explain why there's so much official harassment of people that have had experiences.
	I mean, these people carry SES cards, so they're real.
	SES?
	What's that?
	Special Executive Services.
	Okay.
	Dan?
	Well, again, we're getting into areas of information I have absolutely no idea about.
	I could conjecture on it, but my conjecture would be the same as anybody else who has been exposed to the information that the public has been exposed to.
	What is your conjecture?
	You might as well throw it in the pot.
	Sure.
	As long as we know what is that.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I think a lot of it obviously has to do with public relations hype and I think a lot of
	people are approached by people that they think are government contacts or government
	officials or whatever.
	But I am sure that just like the abduction thing, there is a lot of people who are not
	going to be able to get away with it.
	I think that is a big part of it.
	But for what reason they are contacting them, that's where I get lost.
	I have no idea.
	I don't know, other than maybe disinformation, I have no idea why they would want to silence somebody who has been abducted.
	No, I understand.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Hello.
	Hello, Mr. Bell.
	Yes.
	Just one question.
	Do you recall the time that you got knocked off the air?
	Oh, yes.
	Vividly.
	I believe the gentleman's last words were, they aren't what they say they are.
	Something like that, yes.
	To that effect.
	Right.
	I was kind of curious if Dan had heard that and what he thought of that.
	In other words, that they are lying.
	And you alluded to the fact, Dan, earlier that you weren't at all sure that what you were getting was the truth.
	Yeah, that's very true.
	I don't know if you... I'm sure you get a lot of emails, Art, but I don't know if you received the email from me after that.
	Do you remember it by chance?
	I'm sorry, I don't know.
	What did you say?
	Well, I just... I was... I'm familiar with some abilities that can do that.
	And it was a very interesting, very interesting that it happened at that particular moment.
	Oh, it was all, I would say, interesting.
	I would say impossible almost.
	Quite coincidental.
	Coincidental, yeah, at least coincidental.
	What can take a satellite off the air like that actually cause it to lose earth lock?
	We still have not received a satisfactory answer from GE Americom.
	And we're thinking now we never will.
	Yeah, probably not.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, sir.
	Oh, this is Jim.
	Jim, where are you?
	Oh, golly, Dallas.
	Dallas, alright.
	You're gonna have to speak up good and loud.
	Okay.
	So, go ahead.
	Well, I went through all this in Boy Scouts.
	And like the different jamborees and everything.
	What do you mean?
	Well, the alien abduction.
	I think, I don't know.
	You're saying you were abducted when you were with the Boy Scouts?
	Right, and then the military tried to take me and I couldn't do it in the military so the occult got me now.
	Well, I kind of felt abducted when I was in the Boy Scouts, actually the Cub Scouts.
	Otherwise I have no idea what he was talking about.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Hello.
	Yeah, hi Art, this is a very interesting show.
	Dan, I am also a I was wondering, have you heard of a man named Chuck Missler?
	He's a very well-known Bible scholar.
	I think the name rings a bell on the first read.
	Anyway, the reason I'm asking is he also obviously is a Bible-believing Christian, but he also believes in UFOs and abductions and that sort of thing.
	He has a new book out called Alien Encounters, and I really think you should read it because a lot of the stuff that That you're bringing up is very well documented in this book and his explanation is pretty much, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the Nephilim.
	I've heard that too.
	Okay, in Genesis 6.
	So a lot of that, he credits a lot of this to the so-called fallen angels.
	You think perhaps Dan is a modern day Nephilim?
	Oh no, not at all.
	He tends to think that these aliens, or so-called aliens, are another attempt of Satan to create a new race of Nephilim.
	Could be half angel, half human so to speak.
	Well, you know, I've had a lot of people, or not a lot, but a few people write me and ask me if I felt that I was possessed in some way.
	These were the communications that I was having.
	Of course, I have never been actively possessed so I don't know exactly what it feels like,
	but I don't think this was possession.
	As far as your question about the spiritual realm, there are so many different avenues
	again that we can go down that way.
	I have absolutely no idea.
	I firmly believe because of the fabric of the content or the content of the conversations
	and the communication, I believe that it was another intelligence.
	A created intelligence from God.
	I didn't sense that it was an evil intelligence.
	Inherently evil, anyway.
	So, I don't know where to go with that question.
	All right.
	No, that's a good answer.
	First time caller on the line.
	You're on the air.
	Hi.
	Oh, Herb Bell.
	Yes.
	Oh, great.
	I've been troubled by this thing for like many, many years.
	What thing?
	Just saying that I'm 43 years of age.
	Canada okay, and the snow is coming down and you're so lucky to live in the South you American well
	It's raining. It's raining down here. It is yeah, okay liquid sunshine right liquid sunshine
	Absolutely, I know it's getting closer than the show but I've been troubled by this thing for like many many years.
	What's it?
	Saying that I'm 43 years of age. I'm an old guy and and like from Canada yet
	haven't heard too many war stories like crazy things, but About four or five years ago. My hair started falling out
	back my head I'm getting old.
	It's like, they call it up here, growing a bathing cap.
	Yeah.
	You understand?
	And one of my friends noticed, he said, he said, Tim, that's a hell of a scarring you've got in the back of your head.
	I said, what are you talking about?
	I've got a scar that's like over four inches on the back of my head.
	Really?
	Yeah, really.
	And it's a funny thing because last Christmas, two years ago, back home with my mom, I said, Hey, mom, did I ever fall off my bicycle or anything like stupid like that?
	Sure.
	And she said, No, no, you didn't.
	Because I've never been in the hospital.
	So anyways, I had the family look at the back of my head and I have a really bad scar.
	And it hasn't been detected until, as I said... Until your hair fell out.
	Until it fell out.
	Makes sense.
	At 43 years of age.
	Yep.
	And I had a crew cut until I was about 7 years of age.
	Like, you could see the back of my head and no one noticed anything like that.
	And it wasn't there.
	It was not there.
	Well, you know what I would recommend to you?
	I don't... Go see a doctor.
	Absolutely, I'm serious.
	And get an MRI and see if you've got something in there.
	Art, Art, Art, come on, come on.
	It's not going to happen, but... Why not?
	Well, because, you know, if I had a scar, particularly a big and long one that I couldn't account for, I'd want to know why.
	Well, the only thing that scared me is I fell off a Skidoo trailer up here a year ago last summer, and I had a dislocated collarbone, and I had the surgery to put it back into place, and that's the only place Only time, excuse me, I've ever been in a hospital, and it was surgery.
	So, um, I asked the doctor about this thing, like, as a joke.
	Yeah.
	And he looked at that, and he's a surgeon.
	He's an orthopedic surgeon.
	What'd he say?
	He said, that is a surgical scar in the back of your head.
	All right, well, end of conversation.
	Have it checked out.
	That's right.
	I would go to a doctor and have an MRI, and obviously, if it's been confirmed as a surgical scar, and you didn't have surgery, Um, it's a no, excuse the expression, no-brainer, sir.
	Um, wildcard line, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Hello.
	Good morning, Art.
	Good morning, Dan.
	This is Professor here in Columbus, Georgia.
	Yes, sir.
	Um, you know my take on this, Art?
	Uh, by the way, you know I was right about the, uh, Phoenix lights.
	Remember when I predicted they were, um, a hologram to you and Lamb left here?
	Anyway, uh, Dan, have you ever considered that it's possible that this intelligence, uh, that you were in contact with could be, um, Well, you know, it never occurred to me until people started to bring it up.
	They can come on as nice guys and they can come on as evil people.
	Their whole job is deception.
	Well, again, Dan comes from a background as a fundamentalist Christian, so I would imagine
	that probably occurred to you, didn't it?
	Well, it never occurred to me until people started to bring it up after the story came
	out.
	But I actually have experience within the church because I come from a Pentecostal background.
	I've experienced things such as that, not personally, but have seen it.
	I'm very wary of that, but it never crossed my mind that it was of any type of demonic origin.
	I didn't sense that I was in danger in any way.
	I didn't sense any of that.
	Again, but you never know.
	I have absolutely no idea.
	I can't say it for sure.
	I take it there are many, many more details in your book.
	Oh yeah.
	and uh... it's called above black and people can get it by calling
	check me on the number one eight eight eight
	two four zero one eight two five
	That's it.
	And it's an automatic order number, Visa, MasterCard, blah, blah, blah.
	And it tells you the address if you want to send a check or money order as well.
	Okay, so nearly any method of payment is going to work?
	Exactly.
	We have an order form on the website, too, that you can go through our Bell's web page, and aboveblack.com should be up in a couple days.
	All right.
	Excellent.
	There is a website up there right now.
	Just go to Dan Sherman's name and click on the link.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Hello.
	Oh, isn't that Art Bell?
	Yes.
	Art?
	Yes.
	Oh, hi.
	I'm calling from Los Angeles.
	I'm in Encino.
	Yes, sir.
	I've tried to call you many times.
	I'm glad to catch up.
	I hope you don't mind me changing the subject just a little bit.
	I was wondering, what is the latest news on pictures coming back from the orbiter around Mars regarding Cydonia?
	Well, there are no pictures yet, sir.
	As a matter of fact, it'll be a number of months yet before we get any photographs at all.
	Oh, I thought it was already in action.
	No, no.
	All right.
	That's all I really need to know.
	It's very nice to talk to you.
	Thanks for the great work.
	Oh, thank you.
	First time caller in line.
	You're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Hello.
	Yes, Dan.
	My name's Dennis, and I have a question.
	These bases that you talk about being at, is it possible that one of them was Area 51 in Nevada?
	No, I actually have an urban station at Area 51.
	That I can tell you.
	Okay, thank you.
	Alright, good.
	Wild Card Lion, you're on the air with Dan Sherman and Art Bell.
	Hello.
	You know, Mark, there's a remarkable thread that sounds like remote viewing.
	You know what?
	I agree.
	It does seem to have some... There seems to be a correlation in there.
	...relationship to it in a way.
	The discipline seems very much like it.
	Very similar.
	Yeah, a lot of people have brought that up.
	Actually, I had never even heard of remote viewing until one of the remote viewers was on one of our local things here, TV, and I was quite fascinated by it.
	I didn't see that there was a direct correlation, maybe in the peripheral somewhere, but it's interesting.
	It is an interesting observation.
	It's like it in some sense.
	In other words, it's remote sensing.
	Both of them are remote sensing.
	And numbers are involved, as they are with remote viewing.
	But you never got actual mental images, pictures, or did you?
	The actual medium was not a mental or a picture.
	But my translation in my mind was a picture.
	Because, you know, we humans, as humans, we think in pictures.
	We do indeed.
	Yes.
	So I couldn't get around that, obviously.
	Extremely interesting.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dan Sherman.
	Hello.
	Is this Art Bell Show?
	Yes, it is, sir.
	Good morning, Art.
	I was wanting to ask him a question.
	All right.
	Do it real quick, because we're about out of time.
	Okay, um, I got a hold of some NASA photographs, uh, showing some vehicles, buildings, and bridges, and some other things on the moon, and I was wondering if he had ever, um, heard of those.
	All right, well that's kind of, the answer is no, and that's kind of out of, uh, his field.
	Dan, it has really been an extremely interesting program, and I'm going to be interested to see what feedback is like from the listeners, and I'm sure you're going to be getting a lot of it as well.
	And folks, if you've got a computer, you can send email through his website, through Dan Sherman's website.
	Or, what is your actual email address?
	It's PPD, Project Clear Destiny PPD, at earthworld.com.
	At Earthworld.
	Well, Dan, thank you, my friend.
	Thank you.
	We're out of time.
	Good night.
	All right.
	Well, that's it, everybody.
	Good night, Spock.
	Good night, Bones and all of you out there.
	See you tomorrow.

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