Boris Said and Tom Danley join Art Bell to explore Egypt’s pyramids, revealing NASA-backed sonic levitation experiments suggesting ancient sound tech reduced friction for 200-ton stones. Said speculates a secret chamber beneath the Sphinx—30x40 ft, possibly filled with rubble—could hold pre-Egyptian records, aligning with Edgar Cayce’s "Hall of Records" theory and Native American Yaqui flute frequencies (F-sharp). Bell describes eerie harmonic resonances in the Great Pyramid’s king’s chamber, matching Earth’s Schumann resonance and brainwave patterns. Despite skepticism from Dr. Zahi Hawass, Said plans an Egyptian-led December excavation, funded by $25 donations, to uncover potential vibrational physics or suppressed knowledge that might redefine history. [Automatically generated summary]
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I'm Mark Bellen.
It's great to be here.
And tonight, we are going to continue our exploration in a radio kind of way of the pyramids.
And we're going to have Boris Said back.
He was a big hit last time on the program, Mr. Pyramid, Boris Said, I guess.
And with him tonight is Tom Danley.
Now, who's Tom Danley?
Well, Tom is the engineer, a one-time consultant to NASA, and is a sonic engineer.
And guess what he did?
He's the one who did all the sonic tests in the king's chamber of the Great Pyramid in Egypt, a place I just happened to get to go recently, to have fond and recent memories of.
In fact, it will be etched into my life forever.
So, obviously, we are going to talk about the pyramids.
Now, we're going to also talk about the secret chamber believed to be located beneath the left paw of the Sphinx and what indeed may be awaiting there.
But first, this.
I want to tell you a really, truly amazing story.
Last year, in my state, he says proudly, of Nevada, Bosfargo Bank discovered all of these coins, these $20 gold pieces.
What a discovery that must have been lying maybe in a dark corner of the vault, or I wonder where they found them.
That, of course, is something you will find out in the history of these coins, which they will send you free of charge.
So get a paper, pencil.
These coins, and there are many, many, many of them, are absolutely astounding, not just because of the quantity, they found many, but because of the quality.
As I've told you, a fine coating of gold dust, which is typical normally of coins fresh from the mint, was found on the coins.
So what they initially did is to take photographs of the coins because these coins were minted, all of them, in 1908, about 90 years ago.
But they're so fresh, so new, that there's still this fine coating of gold dust.
Now, what they will do is send you free information on the history of these coins and photographs of these coins.
I think that it would be appropriate, considering that we've got a lot of new affiliates we've been growing very quickly, Boris, for you to give us a little bit of background on yourself and then for Tom to do the same thing so we understand who we're talking to here.
Okay, I can tell you briefly that for the last eight years, I've been involved with making documentary films in Egypt.
I started out with John Anthony West and Robert Schock, and we created a documentary special for NBC, which was hosted by Charlton Heston, which gave pretty conclusive evidence that the Sphinx was really 12,000 years old.
And part of that evidence had to do with the way some of the stones were lifted in the temples, and that's where I met Tom.
Tom was doing sonic levitation experiments, I believe in connection with work they were doing for NASA at the time, and we featured Tom on that program.
A lot of people saw that program, over 200 million people so far.
It's won an Emmy, and it was quite successful.
That film, in doing some of the underground testing to try and validate Dr. Schock's opinion that the Sphinx had been exposed to the weather for several thousand years longer than anybody thought, in doing the seismic backup for the geology, we turned up a 30-by-40-foot chamber under the paws of the Great Sphinx, which coincidentally was right where Edgar Casey said it Would be.
We then spent a couple of years trying to get permission to drill directly into that room without much success.
Oh, that would be very painful to the human ear, wouldn't it?
unidentified
Well, if you stuck your ear directly in the sound field, yeah, it would be extremely loud.
The high frequency like that, though, your ears are already not very sensitive to it, where if, say, it were an octave or two octaves lower, it would be extremely uncomfortable.
From a technical perspective, why a high frequency versus something very v low, which you would think would carry more oomph with it in terms of levitation ability?
unidentified
Well, the size of the object that you're trying to levitate is pretty much governs the frequency that you need to use.
The reason for the connection to the research between sonic levitation and the pyramids, from a layman's point of view here, has got to be that somebody, probably Boris and others, have speculated that the way the pyramids were built was with possibly some sort of sound or acoustic levitation.
In other words, how the heck did they get those great big rocks up there?
But your experiments, Tom, don't really demonstrate that there would be any way to convert that, do they, to something that would lift a rock that weighs how much for us?
But I would like to just stop you and ask you, in your professional opinion, is there any way with technology you can even imagine that they could have used sonics to lift these incredible rocks, and particularly as high as they did?
unidentified
Not that I see, no.
Short of having a time machine, though, you can't really say how they did it.
Like I said, though, there are other things that sound could have been used for, like to reduce the friction of moving the stones.
If you have something that's vibrating, moving an object across it, it will have much less friction if there's vibration involved.
Well, if I can jump in for a second, I'd like to point something out.
When we interviewed, when we did the experiments in the first show, we interviewed a guy with a giant crane.
He had some humongous great crane, the largest land-based movable crane in the world or something.
And he flat said, I don't see any way you could lift these stones, even using two cranes.
Now, what I think Tom's experiments suggest is that in theory it could have been done.
And yes, we don't know how it's done today, but 50 years ago, we didn't know how to float an object the size of a P without touching it.
So the point is that if the principle works in a tiny object, why then couldn't a combination of these principles, why isn't it just logical to assume that we will ultimately figure out how to lift bigger and better objects?
unidentified
Well, it's true.
The principles don't prohibit it from happening.
And if they did have a way of producing the intensity and frequency that was desired, it would be possible to do.
Well, you know, it leads us into where we hope to be going next year with our series of specials.
And that is the investigation of the principle of vibration as expressed in sound.
Dr. Jim Hertog from the Academy for Future Science suggested to me one day that, in layman's terms, the pyramid was the world's biggest music box.
And certainly the tests that we did with Tom there this last trip suggest that it was designed and built with materials that all contributed to enhancing certain resonant frequencies, which may have had a specific purpose.
I guess astounding is the only word I can think of by the, and I still have yet to put together all the right words to even describe it inwards what I felt.
I haven't been able to quite do that yet.
But what I got in return was a total body feeling of some sort.
In other words, the resonance produced in there affected my entire body.
And I'm not sure one of these days I'm going to come up with the right words for it.
Now, obviously, you have just made a very long climb.
It's hot.
And you're almost in an altered state already by the time you get up there.
But that did not change what I felt when I got in that sarcophagus.
So what did you find sonically up there?
unidentified
Well, there's a couple layers to that, to the answer.
And yes, I certainly have to agree.
The acoustic effect laying in there is absolutely phenomenal.
What really got me interested was when Boris called and said, you know, when you're laying in there, you won't believe what it sounds like.
And acoustically, I thought, yeah, okay.
But no, it is very remarkable and unlike anything I've ever heard myself.
What we found was a couple things.
There are resonances in any room due to the dimensions of the room.
And that would also be true of the sarcophagus.
And what we found was that when you're, for a person that was laying in the sarcophagus, several of the resonances of the sarcophagus and the room happened to coincide at the same frequency.
In other words, the sarcophagus being of the size it is, and when you lie in it, of course, you have four walls about you and an open area above you to the rest of the king's chamber.
Now, wouldn't the frequency, resonant frequency, be dependent on the size of the enclosure?
unidentified
Yes, the lowest frequency that there would be resonances would be set by the absolute dimension.
However, at multiples of those, in other words, where Yeah, harmonics, exactly.
So a room will have quite a series of resonances set by the dimensions of the room.
And several of the higher order resonances in the chamber coincide with the fundamental resonances that are in the sarcophagus.
although the room is much larger, there are several of those resonances which overlap and energy can be transferred from one to the other.
Well, no, let's say whether right now, generally, what does an average human being hear at the low and high end?
unidentified
Well, if you looked in a textbook, the answer to that question would be from about 20 vibrations per second to, if you have good ears, around 20,000 vibrations a second.
Tom, when we were in the king's chamber that night and everybody got frightened and you were getting lower and lower, how far down do you think we heard?
Remember when it all seemed to start to shiver and we all ran out of the chamber?
When we were testing one night, Tom got all his equipment set up and all of us, the whole crew, everybody, down.
I'll tell you, as far as I was concerned, I thought we were having an earthquake.
It was extraordinary.
And everybody sort of looked at everybody sideways and nervously looked up at the ceiling and then fled like jackrabbits out through the tunnel and into the grand gallery from which we watched the rest of the proceeding.
I've got two supremely good reasons for you to go to my website right now.
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So just a simple little graphic with a picture of the pyramid in the background and the Sphinx and the tunnel and what is believed to be under it.
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I mean, you know, none of us were faint-hearted in that room.
And I'll tell you what, it was a fight to see who got out of there first.
unidentified
We decided it was better to set up in the hallway.
What were you, what frequently?
The strongest resonance would be somewhere around the lowest note on a pipe organ, which is below 20 hertz.
But we also found resonances that went down much lower than that.
And the part of it that I think was most interesting, or curious to me anyway, was that we had made a DAT recording, which is a digital tape recording of everything we did.
And after we got back home, had a chance to analyze the recordings in the computer, one of the things that showed up was the presence of several of these low-frequency resonances, even when we weren't producing any sound.
Those frequencies were present in the king's chamber all by themselves.
Well, I made a mathematical model of the rough structure of the pyramid and treating it as simply as possible, acoustically, and saying that the air shafts and the room itself were similar to blowing across the neck of a pop bottle, which is called a Helmholtz resonance.
And if you, what started me thinking about that was a movie clip that Boris sent me that shows the clouds and things blowing around the outside of the pyramid.
So you certainly have a reasonable source of excitation with the wind, and the dimensions of everything involved are such that the frequencies that would be produced are right in the same range of what we found.
There's one on the north wall and one on the south wall, aren't you, Tom?
unidentified
Well, the king's chamber passages are blocked off by the what they call the star shafts or air shafts.
And it's, I think, somewhat questionable whether those are star shafts or not, because if they were, you would think they would be set up so that you could sight through them.
But instead, they go about 10 feet straight and then angle up.
If you take the model and include both of those air shafts and look at the prediction and then say, okay, well, those are closed off.
Let's model the main tunnel that goes into the king's chamber.
You end up with something that's almost exactly the same.
So acoustically, what you would expect with the air shafts being open is pretty similar to what you have using the access tunnel that El Mammon carved to get in there.
There are things also, Art, that when they built the pyramid, the sides were smooth.
So that effect of the wind blowing, if it was in fact the air shafts, which we have to assume at one point were probably open, if the sides of the pyramid were smooth, then the effect would have been more pronounced.
Are they air shafts, or were they not part of the pyramid as a giant great resonance chamber or music box or a scientific instrument of transformation, which is what I think it is?
In other words, if the whole thing was designed, I mean, it's beyond comprehension, it's beyond any sort of mathematical possibility that it's just accidental that the sarcophagus and the room complement each other.
And it's beyond the realm of possibility, I think, that if you take those star shafts that Tom was talking about, or those air shafts, and you assume that at one point they were open, otherwise, why would they have built them?
And of course, Gantenbrink's robotic camera found that there was a door at the end of one of them, I think, from the Queen's Chamber.
If, in fact, those were part of this great vibrational instrument, then we're looking at the proof of an advanced society before our very eyes, which is what my premise has been from the very beginning.
However, there are some things that sort of back that up.
If you looked at the field of meditation, for example, meditation was the first way people were able to control the state of their brain activity.
You learned a procedure which led to a change in brainwave state.
Then there was biofeedback that monitored your brainwaves and gave you a better access to what you were doing and would allow you to change states much quicker than a learning meditation routine.
One of the things that's popular right now are what they call light and sound machines that have headphones and glasses with lights in them.
And so that is, in essence, what occurs inside the sarcophagus, inside the king's chamber itself, is a sort of an altered state, is produced even by the natural, forget the Tom Danley equipment, sonics, and all the rest of it, by this subtle but very interesting frequency combination.
unidentified
Yes, and the very lowest frequencies that we found are certainly in the range of your brain activity.
In other words, the frequencies correspond.
The lowest frequency that we saw was around three vibrations per second.
And I've heard it suggested that perhaps the pyramids were monitoring devices by which our extraterrestrial neighbors could keep an eye on what was happening with the vibrations on Earth.
If I can step in and bail Tom out, there's an interesting thing.
It's brought out in our tape.
These notes that Tom discovered, among other things, form an F-sharp chord.
Now, I'm not a musician.
I'm sure there are a lot of musicians listening.
I know, for example, that our composer suggested when he heard the notes that it sounded a little like Jimi Hendrix's Purple Haze.
But we found an extraordinary thing, and we brought this out in our film as well, when we got out to Oregon, we interviewed a Yaqui, a Native American Yaqui maker of ceremonial flutes, a fellow named Ward Stroud.
And Ward suggested that many of the native shamans, when they made their sacred flutes, which were made to serenade Mother Earth originally, many of these flutes are tuned to the same F-sharp chord.
So, in fact, many of these American flutes that are handmade from hardwood 12,000 miles away are tuned to the same frequencies as 2.5 million blocks of stone in Cairo.
Tom Danley, who's a sonic engineer, once consulted to NASA in that regard.
And of course, Boris Saeed are my guests, and we are talking inevitably about the pyramids, specifically the sonic vibrations right now, the Great Pyramid.
We'll get back to that in a moment.
Just a small programming note.
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Now, back to Tom Daddley and Boris Said.
All right, gentlemen, Boris, are there any questions that you think we should be asking, Tom, with regard to the sonics in the pyramid that we have not yet asked?
There's one question, and it's a general question, and I don't want to put you on the spot, Tom, but there have been, in my lifetime, pieces of music that we just gravitate to.
Sometimes it's because of the words like White Christmas, what have you.
Sometimes, in the case of Jimi Hendrix, it's just like one song like Purple Haze.
I mean, people who weren't even fans, we're humming that sound.
We're making that sound.
If we're living in a vibrational world, if we're living in a world of vibration, and vibration can be most easily interpreted as music, it can be color as well, do you think it's possible, Tom, that we could establish around the world that these sacred sites, stone sites, cathedrals, stone circles, what have you, have been built with a certain sonic logic?
And I know you have a paper that speaks to that in England, but do you think that this is a wild goose chase, or do you think we're really looking for something we might be able to actually demonstrate?
unidentified
No, I think there is something to it.
It's only been in the last 20 or 30 years that detailed analysis of buildings has been possible through acoustic theory.
However, some of the very best listening halls that have ever existed were built long before any of that.
And you mentioned the paper that showed some of the ancient structures in Ireland and England apparently had been built to help reinforce the sound of the human voice.
And so I think acoustics has gone from sort of a mystical black art into a formal science.
But I also believe very strongly that in ancient times there were people that were very skillful and knowledgeable of acoustics, although maybe not in the same way that we are now, that designed, you know, say some of the cathedrals and halls and stuff like that.
Tom, I've got a question for you that is off the wall and doesn't relate to what we're talking about, at least not directly.
I have heard of noise cancellation.
In other words, that it would be possible to take the noise coming from an aircraft, for example, or a jet or something, and emanate a signal as well that would, for the listener on the ground, in essence, cancel the sound of the aircraft.
Is that possible?
unidentified
Well, to some degree it is, yeah.
Basically what you're producing is a sound that is exactly out of phase or the inverse of the offending signal.
And when the two mix together, they cancel each other out.
There are a number of companies that make equipment to do that job for, well, air ducts is one field where it's fairly popular to cancel the noise coming through an air conditioning duct, let's say.
And also on machinery, it's something that's done not in common practice, but it's certainly possible.
Let's say that you successfully canceled the sound of a jet engine, just for the sake of the discussion.
There would then be two opposite sounds 180 degrees out of phase with each other.
You would hear, the end result is you would hear nothing.
But would you still be aware of the presence of the sound?
I'm not sure I'm asking this properly, but the sound would still be there.
It simply would be canceled.
So if it were many, many decibels, would your ears still be subject to that pressure?
unidentified
No, actually, what you're doing when you cancel the sound is you erase the pressure part of it.
The difficulty, though, is that, well, in the case of an airplane flying by, the closer to the source you can place your cancellation signal, the more effective you are at canceling the signal over the entire area.
If you had, let's say, a microphone on a pole in your backyard and a speaker system to do the job, you could cancel some of the sound locally, in other words, in your yard, as the plane flew over.
But that would be for fairly low frequencies where the dimensions of the wavelengths are large.
Tom, what do you think the purpose of that pyramid was or is?
Surely we have not found pharaohs or people buried there?
unidentified
No, that's True.
I don't know if I don't have my own theory, that's for sure, but what I can say after actually being there and going in a number of the places that we went to that I went to with Boris, a couple things strike me, that for one thing, the Egyptians were very skilled at building tunnels and caves underground.
We went in one that was over 100 feet deep and had several different levels.
And the pyramid also has several underground passages that appear to come up underneath the structure itself.
They're all blocked off now, but given the ease with which they were tunneling, it's very easy to imagine that there was an underground access to the inside of the pyramid.
That would be one observation.
The other thing is that a lot of the theories about the pyramid say that it wasn't a tomb.
And certainly the fact that they never found any mummies or anything else that directly pointed to that sort of supports that.
If the pyramid were constructed to be a temple or a site of a ritual, then you have a whole different scenario possible that the sound part of the system was intentional and was designed into it.
Then a next obvious question, Tom, is couldn't you duplicate the acoustic properties of the pyramid, for example, on a C D or with some sort of computer generated sound return to a sound you would make.
I'm asking, in some way, would it be possible to come up with something that would duplicate the altered state produced by actually being there?
unidentified
At least to some approximation you could, yeah.
One of the things that's completely unique about the pyramid acoustically, though, is you have a situation where you have a structure that is about as rigid as it's possible to make.
I mean, if you think of hundreds of feet of stone all around you, that is a fairly solid object.
And so obviously that circumstance you wouldn't run into in a normal house or even one made of bricks.
So the suggestion there would be there are properties when you're actually in the pyramid that go beyond simply the sonics produced by?
unidentified
Well, the fact that it is so rigid makes it have its own set of unique acoustic properties.
You could, on the other hand, produce those same frequencies with the, well, the speaker that I used to test with, the cyclone, that's capable of producing those frequencies too.
So you could set that up in a room and try and approximate the experience.
Well, what you guys are doing is reading the script to our second show because one of the things we hope to do here next year, early in the year, is do some tests down in Mexico and Central America and some of those pyramids and then do some comparison studies.
And I'm going to ask Tom to make a computer model and to see if we can approximate somehow these vibrations and then do some tests.
And hopefully with some of the people that are testing in this field like Dr. Valerie Hunt, people like that, if we can get them interested in this idea, that's how I hope to prove that Atlantis isn't buried.
I think we're going to find it.
I think we've found it.
It's just a question of describing it in terms we can all understand.
I can tell you one thing that Zahiawa said to me when we were standing by that square hole in the side of the Sphinx, Boris.
He said, not one shred of evidence, not one grain of sand, not one thing ever found here at Giza leads toward any conclusion or proof that Atlantis will be found.
Well, the point is this, that Atlantis is a word that we've used to describe sort of generically some pretty clever ancestors.
And whether they were Atlanteans or Egyptians, I'm sure if we stopped calling them Atlanteans and started calling them Egyptians, we'd get a lot more support in Egypt.
But the point is, the point is that nobody I've ever talked to who's been a tourist, who's gone around Egypt, normal, intelligent people capable of earning enough money to go to Egypt on holiday, and they go through all the tombs of the Left Bank and they go through all the tombs on the Giza Plateau and then they go to the pyramid.
Not anybody that I've ever talked to in 10 years of working over there has ever said to me, gee, this feels like a tomb.
Everybody comes out and says the one thing we're sure it's not is a tomb.
Now, you know, Zahi Hawaz is a friend, and I have utmost respect for him, and I think he's an Egyptologist and an archaeologist and a very bright guy.
But I don't think he's correct in this assumption.
I think that he is discounting the kind of stuff that Tom DeBecky and Tom Danley are turning up, which I think speaks to a highly advanced society which created this rational logical structure.
I've never, I mean, Bob Schock said that in her first tape, even if they're Martians or little green men or Atlanteans, I'm just saying that there was something here 25,000 years ago that was very advanced.
And that's all we're trying to establish.
We're not trying to put a name to it.
I think that Atlantis kind of has a mythos about it.
It's like if you don't understand it, ascribe it to God and the angels.
I mean, that's sort of the way our society works.
But I don't think that's the answer.
I think we have to keep digging and looking and finding out if this is a logical system, who built it and to what purpose?
Well, I kind of like the idea that I had a little while ago, and that is, again, I don't have words to describe what I felt in the sarcophagus in the chamber.
There aren't words.
However, it seems to me that if the totality of the experience is produced by the sonic properties in there, that that should be able to be precisely plotted and duplicated.
It should be able to be done.
And if that would be true, you would then have the opportunity to test and see if you could produce an altered state similar to the one that you get in there.
And that would seem to me to be a very, very worthwhile endeavor experiment.
Now, if you don't get the same results, then you've got to begin to imagine there are properties with respect to the pyramid that obviously go beyond the sonic properties.
But it would be a wonderful way of narrowing down at least a little bit what we're trying to figure out here.
Well, don't forget, Art, that the pyramid is very precisely placed.
It's probably the most precisely located structure on the face of the Earth.
And that perhaps has something to do with it, the directions and the magnetic poles.
And if you talk to Dick Hoagland, the location of the pyramid is central to the Earth and to the landmass and God knows and corresponds to locations on Mars.
I mean, there are all sorts of possible coincidences.
And I use the word coincidences in a different way, but I mean, there are a lot of factors here, which may have been part of an initial design to create an extraordinary structure that we haven't scratched the surface yet.
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All right, back now to my guests, Tom Danley and Boris Saeed.
Gentlemen, welcome back.
I've got something I want to read you here, which I think is dead accurate.
Art, here we go again.
If you want some proof that Egyptians, as we know of them, did not build the Great Pyramid, look at Cairo.
You know, I remember standing on Giza, looking at the pyramids and the Sphinx, and turning around the other direction and looking at Cairo, and the man has a point.
Yeah, well, you know, and we're building shopping malls, too.
You know, John West once said that our civilization would be remembered for striped toothpaste and shopping malls.
I mean, our civilization is in decline, and I think that Cairo is as fitting an example as New York City, for that matter.
You know, I mean, it's, I don't think, I mean, it's popular to go Egyptian bashing, but I think that the ancient Egyptians, whoever they were, built some of the most extraordinary monuments on earth.
Well, again, I think part of science is confirmation, repeatability, and many times it is the elimination of things.
And if we were to sonically duplicate precisely in a room, which I believe we could do, Tom Danley would be the guy, and we got the same altered state, we could then begin to conclude that that set of vibrations and harmonics present is indeed what produces the entirety of the experience there.
And then, Tom, you'd be a multi-millionaire because you could produce something that would produce that altered state in people.
So I'm giving you a great commercial idea.
Or it wouldn't work at all, and we would then be able to eliminate the sonic component at least as the sole reason you feel what you feel up there.
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Well, I think at least of the first order, in the region of your voice, you probably could duplicate the acoustic effects in there.
Possibly even on a computer sound card, a DSP system, you probably could do a pretty accurate job of producing the effect.
Producing the sound that's present, that would take a specialized loudspeaker system in order to go down that low, but those exist too.
I mean, that's what we used to test with.
As far as making a million dollars, I like the idea of that, too.
I just think it would be a remarkable experiment to do.
Now, I understand it would take probably lab conditions.
It would take the right kind of reflectors and very specific speaker systems producing low-frequency amplification and all the rest of it, but it sure would be worth a try.
By the way, you know, you were talking about this snappy.
I'd like to add a word of praise here.
My webmaster, Matthew Sapparo, got one today, and he is, as we speak, taking images off my videotape and putting them on my website, which is, I guess, linked to yours, magicaleye.com.
But he's raving about it.
He called me up today, and he said it was the most extraordinary thing he's ever used.
They indicate that they may be filled with rubble or some substance.
They're not sure what's going on inside there.
Debecki said it would appear to be half full of rubble.
We also did radar tests across the back of the Sphinx in that 20-foot space between the rump and the cliff.
And at that point, there is indications of a two and a half meter wide tunnel down about 15 feet.
Now, immediately to the west of the rump of the Sphinx is the cliff, and you go up about 40 or 50 feet, and then the land begins to rise up towards the plateau.
So the radar, which is accurate to about 50 feet, is useless the minute you get it up to the top of the cliff.
However, there is a straight line coming out from under the Sphinx, which we've clearly documented, which establishes a direction in that 20 feet of excavated floor there behind the rump of the Sphinx, if you follow me.
And that goes directly in the direction of the Chefron Pyramid, which coincidentally is exactly where the causeway goes.
Now, 300 yards west of the rump of the Sphinx, directly under the causeway, is where that well chamber is that you went into and that we've got all the pictures of.
And at the bottom of that well chamber, DeBecky's radar shows 2.5 meters down, under this, what we consider to be a fake sarcophagus lid, this polished black granite slab, under that is a cavity, which is 2.5 meters wide, has a dome ceiling, and according to Dr. DeBecki, heads off in the direction of the Sphinx precisely, descending it at an angle of about 25 degrees.
I have a feeling that the tunnels, that the Rosicrucians were probably right, that the pyramids, the three pyramids were linked to the Sphinx, and that there was probably some sort of temple-like structure to which all these tunnels came together and then went off in one grand tunnel to the Sphinx.
And that temple-like structure may even be a part of what we are beginning to see at the bottom of that well chamber, because there are clearly some right angles down there and crumbled pillars and so forth.
So what I'm saying is I think that there was an underground access, yes.
Do you think that ultimately, this is a speculative question, of course, but that when we get to this chamber below the Sphinx, or even one below that, that we will discover the reason for the pyramids?
Okay, I think that if Tom's logic is valid and the pyramid is some sort of a giant residence chamber, and if this winter we're able to establish some sort of a relationship between the pyramid of Giza and the pyramids at Teotihuacan and Palenque,
and if we're able to show that these structures did in fact have a sonic logic about them, then I think even the flittiest heart is going to have to say, hey, wait a minute, these guys are onto something and there's some scientific reason now to look further.
And then I think some of the mathematical similarities of the pyramids are going to come into play and the geometric similarities, and I think we're going to begin to realize that they were all part of some sort of a giant grid system.
Can you explain to me how there would be pyramids all over the world, not just at Giza, they are the most obvious, the most above ground, the biggest.
But there are pyramids all over the world, South America, Peru, Japan, England, everywhere you find pyramids.
Now, at that time, whether it was when they believed the pyramids conservatively were built or when you believe they were built, there was no worldwide communication of any sort that we knew of.
But what I'm saying is there are lots of different potential explanations.
But what I want to know is how come the American, the Native Americans had the same knowledge of resonance, apparently, that the Egyptians did and managed to produce it with a piece of carved wood where the Egyptians were producing it with 2.5 million blocks of stone.
I want to know how come there is that correlation.
That can't be a coincidence.
And that's what I think we have to study.
And bear in mind, as I keep saying, I'm a humble filmmaker.
I make documentaries.
I'm trying to get guys like Tom Danley and DeBecky and Bob Schock and some of these men of letters, some of these brilliant scientists, to work on these problems.
I don't have an answer.
But I think I'm pointing out a relationship that demands some sort of study.
As you know, and you've certainly been very helpful, and I hope later I can speak in an 800 number.
We've been selling these tell-all tapes, which are basically a compilation of what I've done in Egypt and where we are today.
And we are hoping that enough people are going to buy these tapes to allow us to go back to Egypt and persuade the Egyptian government to open this tunnel themselves.
Not the Shore Foundation or Florida State University or Boston College or anyone like that, but the Egyptian Antiquities Department, University of Cairo, whatever.
We're going to try and persuade them to open this tunnel because so many thousands Of people want to know, and hopefully, we'll have permission to do a co-production on a film over there, which will bring this news to the world.
It's two and a half meters of already disturbed earth that we've got to penetrate to see if this tunnel exists.
And I'm hoping we're going to get permission.
I'm hoping to go there in December and speak with the new minister of the new Secretary of the Antiquities Council and the Minister of Culture to get this permission.
In the first hour and a half or so, we had Tom Danley here, a sonic engineer, at one time consultant to NASA who did the sonic recording work in the Great Pyramid at Giza in Egypt.
And we talked to him about the sonic properties there.
Very, very complicated and unusual.
Now we've got Boris Said, and we're talking about what Edgar Cayce said would happen in 1998 or 9.
A chamber would be found below the left paw of the Sphinx.
Well, guess what?
Dr. Dubeke, in concert with Boris Saeed, went over and took ground-penetrating radar and found the chamber.
Oh, there's no question about it.
It's there.
We don't know what's in it, but it's there.
And now, they also believe there is a tunnel which will enable us to get there.
Now, if you can picture that, now you don't actually have to picture it.
Go up to my website right now, and in the new items, just go on and click over, and you'll see the pyramid with the chamber beneath the Sphinx.
You'll see the Sphinx and the pyramid.
And the chamber beneath.
And this tunnel that Boris Said and others feel is there, going to a point in what's known as the causeway, or below the causeway, where you can go down into a deep, dark, dank well, at the bottom of which you will find a fake.
Underline the word fake sarcophagus.
Nothing was buried there.
The Egyptians apparently used a sarcophagus cover to scare people away.
And frankly, it still works to some degree.
But beneath that, Borazaid feels that he will find an intersection to the tunnel that will take him to this incredible chamber below the Sphinx, where many feel the hall of records, what is called the Hall of Records, will be found.
So back now to Bora Saeed.
And as we came to the top of the hour, he was telling us he's going to go over and talk to the miniature of culture, who really is the boss of Dr. Zahi Hawass, who runs generally Giza with, I think it's fairly said, an iron hand.
Well, he certainly seems to be the director of the plateau.
And I'd like to say, just to correct a misconception, he's never been anything but friendly and helpful to me.
He's let me film everything I've ever wanted to film.
And the problem is this, in 1995, when we were, I thought, on the verge of getting into this, getting underground, I signed on with Dr. Shore.
And the application for permission to dig and so forth then became the province of Dr. Shore and Florida State University because Dr. Hawaz had suggested that we needed an academic institution to join with us.
What I propose to do now that's different, and which is why I think we're going to succeed, is I propose to go over there independently financed and suggest to them that they open their own tunnel and suggest to them that they open it with Egyptologists who are Egyptian, with archaeologists who are Egyptian, trained at the University of Cairo, under the auspices of the Antiquities Department, under the auspices of the Minister of Culture.
And we would simply be the recording entity that would bring this news to the world in concert with the Egyptians.
That's all I'm suggesting.
I'm not suggesting that because Zahi has said no, I'm going to go over his head.
Zahi has never said no to me.
Zahi just said at a certain point, now you have to go to the committee.
I have never, personally, I, Boris, have never applied for permission to the committee.
It has always been an application that's been made by, in the one case, in the original case, John West and Boston University, Boston College, and in the second instance, by Dr. Shore and Florida State University.
Well, I asked Zahi, by the way, for the record, when I was there about John Anthony West, and his comment to me was, by law, he is not allowed on the plateau.
John and I originally met when we were teenagers, and there's a great rift between Boris and John now that John created.
John loves to have a war with people.
John, when I went to Egypt with him originally, he told me that I was going to meet this mortal enemy, Zahi Hawaz, who is dedicated to our destruction.
John is a very well-educated guy, and I think a brilliant guy, but he does not have the kind of doctorates that it takes to impress the Egyptian academic society.
So John was always angry because all he had was a BA from Lehigh, and he was forced to use guys like Robert Schock, who's brilliant, and Boston College, and so forth and so on.
I think John, there was always a resentment on the part of John that he was being put down by people for his lack of academic tenure.
So he was angry to begin with, and he's angry, in fact, most of the time.
That's part of his charm.
And he alienated everybody.
I mean, you know, it's the same way as Robert Baval has also been over there, and I don't know how.
My job is going to be that of moderating between all these guys, and they may all finally get angry and decide that I'm the one who should be beheaded.
I'm a little concerned about it, but it's going to be very, very interesting.
Well, I'm going to go if I'm given permission to film.
I'm a documentary filmmaker, and I am not a firebrand, and I am not going to take sides, and I'm not going to get into a war with those guys, no matter what they say.
You've told us a little about why antagonism between Anthony and Zahi.
What about Graham Hancock and Robert Buval?
Why the problem there?
As I've said on the air before, there was a time, it is said, that Zahi suggested that when Graham and Robert show up at Giza again, should they desire to do so, he would have them beheaded, thrown in a pit, and would defecate upon the island.
I have not been privy to any of the goings-on between Hancock and Baval and Zahi, except that I do know that Hancock and Baval and John West have been pushing for an opening of all the secrets of Egypt, and they have been suggesting that it is not up to the Egyptians to legislate this, that it belongs to the world.
And they sell a lot of books.
And I think what's happened is that they have just gotten into some sort of a personality conflict with the guy who's ahead of the plateau, which is a dumb thing to do.
Because I've never had this sort of a problem.
I'm as commercial as they are, and I can tell you, Art, and you know, and you've been over there.
He has not denied me access to anything.
If you'd wanted to go up in those chambers above the king's chamber, I know, you could have gone.
Look, I had one day, one miserable day, and not enough time.
But he did give me, he signed permission.
He said, you can go anywhere you want to go.
I've got to say this, though, Boris.
Other than the tip you gave me about the well and the causeway and all the rest, I could have walked around there for days and not gone to a place that was not readily apparent if you follow me.
Yes.
So when Dr. Hawass says you have blanket permission to go anywhere you want, if you don't know where to go, let's assume that Dr. Hawass has made discoveries that he has not told you nor me nor the world about.
And I think we have to honor that and work with him, you know, and not try and bring the weight of world press down to bear against him and try and bulldoze him and blackmail him and bully him into doing things that he's not prepared to do.
That's why I've been so desperate to stay in the middle of this thing and not on one side or another because I think you have to acknowledge that it's Egypt, and I think you have to acknowledge that there are a lot of very sensitive social and political and economical problems over there.
And you've got to be aware of those things, and you've got to respect those things, and then they let you go where you want.
I am going to go, an Egyptian attorney friend of mine who claims to know all the parties involved, including Saki, is going to arrange a series of interviews for me at which I am going to present a case for the opening of the tunnel at the bottom of the well and the exploration of that tunnel.
Now, if I'm successful, then I'm going to return with a film crew when the Egyptians say they're ready to start digging.
And as I said publicly, I'm going to bring a group of 20 witnesses with me.
We're going to pick some names out of the hat of people that wind up buying our tape and the sort of a reward to them.
And we're going to take a group of people over as part of our crew.
And to dispel once and for all this notion of secrecy and, you know, the Dead Sea Scrolls and keeping this from mankind, we're going to film this.
Then I'm going to go to them and I'm going to say, okay, guys, look, here's a diagram.
And if you take this tunnel and you move down it for 75 feet and you come to a blockage, and this dotted line represents the presumed extension of the tunnel since it's been straight all the way.
It's silly to presume that it suddenly turns to the right or to the left.
And gosh, look, it comes out right at the tail of the Sphinx, and it's only 15 or 18 feet down.
Can we please drill with a high-speed bit?
Can we please, under your supervision, carefully, slowly drill at least down into the tunnel where it goes under the tail of the Sphinx?
At that point, the same thing would be true.
We put down our spy camera, our two-inch diameter camera, and if the passage is still blocked, then of course then there's the third what if.
Look, our radar showed it's there.
Is there some way that we can persuade you to drill a hole at an angle under the front paws of the stinks?
Nobody's yet asked them if we could tunnel in at, let's say, a 40-degree angle from 200 feet away, which was presumably then not disturbed the paws at all.
I mean, there are lots of possibilities if we can prove to them something which they don't believe at the moment, if we can prove to them that our radar has in fact discovered a tunnel, it doesn't matter whether if the tunnel leads to the Sphinx chamber, hallelujah.
We've succeeded.
If not, at least we've proved that the radar study is valid.
And then we can go back to trying to persuade them to open a hole directly to the room.
Well, if I were an Egyptian and I were Zahi Awaz, I would have started looking for that room in 1991 when America's foremost seismographer, Dr. Thomas DeBecky, proved that the room was there.
And that's certainly going to be one of the problems.
But do I believe they're going to sit on a discovery of this magnitude?
Absolutely not.
And the main reason for it is that they're starting to feel a surge of tourist pressure from what we should now seriously call the New Age, which is one of the most enormous buying groups in the country.
And far outspends and outnumbers the people who know the difference between the 16th and the 15th dynasties.
People are going over there now because of the astounding feelings that they're getting over there because of exactly what happened to you in the pyramid.
I mean, I think if you sort of sit on your hands and you wait till 1998 and say, okay, this is the time now we start, I think that if we are allowed to go in there in 1998, it's because we spent all of 1997 hammering on the door.
I've heard, for example, when my original film, this one that is now in dispute, that we can't show, the Dr. Shore film, when that was shown to some Egyptian officials, they criticized it as being, quote, publicity for the Shore Foundation, unquote.
That's why I want to go back to them and suggest a film which would be publicity for Egypt, quote unquote.
And I really believe that under the right circumstances, they will allow us to film the opening of that tunnel.
We're talking about the pyramids, the Sphinx, and the Great Mystery.
And I'll tell you, what's coming up in May is something you shouldn't miss.
You barely still have time.
Let me quickly tell you about this and get it out of the way.
I have been invited to what may be Mission Impossible, I don't know, but it sure as hell is going to be interesting.
There is a cruise coming up May 10th through the 17th.
It's going to Alaska.
It is going to some of the most northern sacred sites that you have ever laid eyes on.
It's almost beyond description.
The ice flows, the Inside Passage, the north is very nearly indescribable.
It's just, it's an amazing, amazing cruise to take.
Now, I've already taken it.
So there wasn't a chance I would accept this.
I mean, it's going to Juneau, Skagway, Ketchkin, then back to Vancouver.
You'll see it all.
You will see all the wonderful things that I got to see, the glacier carved fjords, all the rest of it.
It's just, it's beyond description.
It's got to be one of the world's wonders, no question about it.
But what got me to go was my part of the invitation is for the last three days of the cruise, the Inside Passage, coming back from Alaska to Vancouver.
And during that period of time, on board will be Dr. Zahi Awas, Daniel Brinkley, Graham Hancock, Robert Baval, Dr. Ed Krupp, maybe Boris Said, who has been invited, I just found out, and I'll be there too, trying to moderate all of this.
It will be a great debate over one of the greatest mysteries in the world by the people who are probably most deeply involved in these mysteries.
I'm going to be there, and I am inviting you to be there.
It's about sold out, so I'm telling you right now.
Matter of fact, you can try calling right now, the numbers I'm going to give you.
The financial end of this is incredible.
I mean, absolutely incredible.
Really, really a good deal.
And so it's kind of like a once-in-a-lifetime deal, and I couldn't turn it down.
The nationwide number to call, all except for California.
California is a separate number.
Californians are so different.
The rest of the country, though, can call 1-800-888-5509.
That's 1-800-888-5509.
And, you know, if you can't get through now, try between 9 in the morning and 6 at night.
This can be one of the last times you're going to hear me do this, talk about this, because it's about booked up.
Don't wait.
I'm telling you.
If you're in California, you call area code 310-568-0138.
Let me give you the California number again.
310-568-0138.
Or again, for the rest of the whole country, 1-800-888-5509.
And I look forward to that with some muscles that tense involuntarily.
Boris Said, the last time he was on the air with me, talked about a tape that he was in the middle of producing.
Boris is, of course, now no longer associated in any way with the Shore Expedition, University of Florida, and the Shore Expedition.
And so what he is doing, what Boris wants to do is go back to Egypt and open the secret chamber below the sinks by accessing the tunnel he believes is there.
They've already done all the radar work to determine that this chamber that Edgar Casey said would be there is in fact there.
And there may even be more.
Now, the idea of producing the videotape was to finance the trip back to Egypt.
And many, many of you, based on faith, ordered that tape, oh, I don't know, it's a couple of weeks ago, I guess, before it was even done.
The tape is now complete and ready to ship.
And Bora Said sent me a copy of this videotape.
And I must tell you, it is a class AAA production.
I mean, it really, really is a good videotape, and it will give you a very precise idea of the importance to mankind, of what he is proposing to do.
Fortunately, now, tonight, he's going to be able to offer that videotape to you for immediate shipment, I think.
Yes, and for those of you who are outside of the United States or in the Seattle area, because it's coming out of Seattle, Washington, the number to call is 425-455-1053.
The tape itself is a compilation of what I've done.
It's a 40-minute tape thereabouts that introduces you to the secret chamber under the paws of the Sphinx with a seven-minute excerpt from The Mystery of the Sphinx.
It's the film, it's a film which won an Emmy in 1993.
And it documents the work of the John West expedition, for which DeBecky found the secret chamber.
I mean, it shows, actually shows the radar work, the seismic work being done, and shows a diagram of the chamber.
It also then, it features an interview with my friend Zahi Hawaz, who promises to open the tunnel one day under the Sphinx.
There's some good shots of Zahi.
And it includes a promotional tape that we made in 1995, which outlined the work that we proposed to do on the Sphinx.
And there's some very beautiful footage there by Garrett Griffin.
And then at that point, of course, we ran a file of the Shore Foundation.
And so from then on, there is a series of photographs, like a photographic montage of some of the work that Danley did, because a lot of that footage is in dispute at the moment, legally.
And it culminates with some hi-hate footage That was shot by an Egyptian cameraman friend of mine who went down into the well that you were in, Art, that shows the sarcophagus lid, and it shows the well and shows that entire chamber.
And it tells a little bit of the story of what happened with the Shore Foundation and with 20th Century Fox and Mr. Murdoch and why we never finally came to the end of the road with them and didn't resolve itself into a film.
I just think the problem has been that certainly my efforts have always been hampered or certainly controlled.
I don't want to use the word hampered, but they've been controlled by the expedition that's been funding the film.
In the first instance, John West and his group, and in the second instance, Dr. Shore and his group.
What I'm hoping is that if we get enough response, and there are, God knows, 15 million people out there, if enough people get involved with us, I'm going to be able to go over there in December with thousands of letters of support from people, and they're flooding my website, and go to them and say, look, you know, the people of America want to know, and this is your story, this is your country, this is your tunnel, please open it, and we'll film it, and we'll make the production out of Egypt, and it'll be an Egyptian production as well.
And in that way, they can't say they're being exploited, and in that way, they'll have total control of what happens.
And in that way, I believe that they'll be very expansive about telling us about it.
I mean, that's just my opinion.
Now, I may be wrong.
If I'm wrong, I hope you guys are entertained with your 40-minute tape.
And I'm sorry about the trip to Egypt, but I believe it's going to work.
Well, I think that we're going to find a lot of rubble.
I think, and that's from Debecki's findings, not mine.
I think we're going to find hieroglyphs, which will be probably very ambiguous and will be subject to a lot of interpretation.
I think that if we get in there and there's enough space in there to work and we set up the radar and the seismic stuff again, we're going to find levels below that chamber.
A very great psychic, Zeb Coleman, an Israeli psychic, has suggested that he has seen steps leading down and a jade pillar and all that sort of wonderful stuff.
Now, my question is, if the answer is not a foretelling of the coming of Christ, something that validates Christianity or Buddhism or any other,
perhaps Islam, whatever, if it validates none of the religions and suggests to us that our ancestors, those who came before us, were not of this world, and that's entirely possible for us.
To look at it a different way, if we don't pretty quickly upset everything that we are and everything that we're doing, we're going to kill ourselves.
I mean, we're headed in the wrong direction, ecologically, sociologically, economically.
We're headed for disaster.
I mean, I'm not an alarmist, but I think it's about time that somebody breathed some fresh air into this thing and said, hey, guys, you took a wrong turn someplace.
You should have turned left back there at that church.
And I, for one, I believe that this race that we're engaged in now, to find this ancient wisdom, while we still can.
I did an interview with a Zulu high priest who suggested that the Zulus believe men have 12 senses, and that until we're fully conversant with seven of them, we're not going to survive as a species.
Now, it's very interesting when you think how just in our lifetime, the sixth sense, the psychic awareness, has become an everyday thing virtually.
And you talked to Michio Kaku, who lives on ten planes.
These are the reasons, or at least some of the reasons, Boris, that I suspect there is a hall of records and there is an answer that we may not be so comfortable with getting when we get in there.
Well, let me take your supposition a step further, Art.
I mean, as long as we're going to get out there, let's get out there.
It's the hour for that.
If the answer is that some sort of an external civilization from another planet came and made all this, maybe instead of getting down on our knees and praying to them with our hands clasped,
or instead of facing Mecca or whatever one does and whatever religion one prays, maybe it's 99.5 megacycles or something, and we can just send them a simple help in a language which we discovered down there, and they come and move the rocks for us.
Once we accept the fact that it's possible that there's stuff we don't know.
I mean, we live in this terror that we're going to discover something new.
You know, you've got to knock down the paradigm before you can begin to let the light in.
The world is flat.
The world is flat.
I mean, I'm just reading a story about Magellan now, and I mean, when Magellan set off, three-quarters of the thinking world thought the world was flat.
And when ships were lost at sea, they'd sailed off the edge.
I couldn't agree with you more, but I really, really, really wonder, Boris, about what would happen to all of our religious and scientific institutions.
There would be a period, no doubt, of extreme chaos if such information were revealed.
Boris, hold on.
We're at the top of another hour, and you can relax for a while.
Boris Said is my guest, and when we come back, we will go to the phones.
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River playing through the garden.
You take the long way.
You take the long way.
When you're up on the stage, it's all unbelievable.
Oh, I don't get a go.
I may have gone.
Then you want to see the things you do most of the time.
Oh, the gravity.
With the noise.
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And this talks right, I believe, to the heart of the matter and to what I want to do as a film documentarian.
Okay?
We're all sitting there on the boat.
Soval says, look, I've got this computer study that says that in 10,500 B.C., these air shafts in the king's chamber lined up with the planets of Orion, which is where the Egyptian mythology says the home of the gods in the afterlife was going to be.
My problem is this with all of this: that when there is an explanation other than slaves and rolling logs and what have you, it comes from a source like, and I respect the sources, Jim Hurtock, Greg Braden, people who are terribly educated, and they have these amazing theories.
And the problem is, I can't understand them.
I don't understand about talking about seven powers of nine pyramidal grids and all of that sort of stuff.
I got trouble enough talking to Tom, and he explains it to me carefully.
I think that the extraordinary thing is that if these people were this bright and this knowledge was so pervasive and all over the world, which is what we're beginning to see, and which is what the Aborigines have been talking about and the Hopi and the Bushmen, then I think that approaching it from the standpoint of color or music or standing stones, something that everybody can understand, then it's going to have meaning.
That's what I want to do.
That's what I'm looking for, is a link that people can understand.
I'm going to give you something to think about, and I want an answer to this.
The following is from Edgar Casey's Supplement No.
57, Prehistory Egypt, July 1st, 1932, reading, A15 excerpt.
With the storehouse or record house, where the records are still to be uncovered, there is a chamber or passage from the right forepaw to this entrance of the record chamber or record tomb.
This, now listen carefully, this may not be entered without an understanding for those that were left as guards may not be passed until after a period of their regeneration in the mount or the fifth foot race begins.
Now, I don't fully understand that, but what I do get from that is that there are certain things.
Well, I've seen maybe too many movies about this kind of thing, but I can sort of picture Bora Said making his way along this tunnel and giant shards coming down and running him through, or blocks coming down on his head and crushing him like a cartoon character.
In other words, if you believe what Casey said, then there are certain things that will get you.
Not insurmountable at all, because at the time nobody envisioned scuba gear and all that sort of stuff.
The other thing is that I believe that if we can prove that there is a tunnel, then I think that with the advanced kind of drilling equipment that exists, we may get permission to drill right into the chamber.
Don't forget that what Zahi used as an objection to me was that in 1978, I believe it was 78, Stanford University came and drilled three or four holes.
They were drilled to a depth of three meters and turned up nothing.
Well, I'll tell you, my interpretation is that you probably had to understand some sort of a complicated system of entry that may have been numerical, that may have been vibrational.
There is probably a great complexity to getting in there.
I don't think it's just a tunnel in the ground.
I think if these people were as advanced as they're supposed to be, they would have done something more complicated than a dog could do.
When he said, for those that were left as guards may not, and it's underlined, may not be passed until after a period of their regeneration in the mount or the fifth foot race begins.
Now, I don't fully understand that, but the clear implication here is that there are things that would stop you from entering until the time was correct.
Or, I mean, if the mount, if we take the mount to be the pyramid, then perhaps what Danley's talking about is valid.
There are all sorts of places on the plateau that I've taken tom, one of which I think I told you a little about, where those four pillars are behind the Ken Coz tomb, where there's no vibration at all.
It's like a paradigm cage.
And I think that place has great significance, and nobody's studied it yet.
So what do I think it means?
I don't, gosh, I don't know.
I don't see huge giant boulders and stakes and poisoned gases and stuff.
I don't see anything sinister in it.
I think it's just that it's going to be difficult to figure it out.
And I think that in order to figure it out, we're going to have to find our clues in places like the Great Pyramid.
Well, what the rock seemed to show, and this is one of the things that is clearly, very clearly shown in Boris's videotape, and I would like to talk to you about it, Boris, is it shows the erosion of the rock and suggests that erosion by sand would have left a pitted surface and that the erosion that in fact is present there could only,
repeat, only have been produced, and they show it in great detail, by water.
Is that correct?
Where'd you go, Boris?
Oh, we lost Boris.
We lost Boris.
We lost the connection somehow.
That does occasionally occur.
Was I asking some sort of a question that I should not have been asking?
I don't know.
I'm going to take a moment break and we're going to get hold of Boris again so that he can answer that question.
Because on his tape, beyond any shadow of a doubt, I think there is visual evidence, specific visual evidence that it was water erosion.
Now, you're talking about a desert, or at least what today is a desert.
So we'll get Boris back on the line and have an answer.
Are you having our thoughts?
Right.
All right.
Well, I don't know how it happens with a system that locks calls in the way mine does, but it happens.
And we lost connection, but I've got Boris back.
And Boris, what I was saying is that in your videotape, it seems clear beyond any shadow of a doubt that the erosion on the rock has not been caused by sand and wind and pitting, but that it is smooth, and this erosion could only have been produced by water.
Well, it means that the Sphinx was damaged by a downflow of water, not a rising of the river, which would have eroded the bottom of the cliff first, but a downpouring, water coming off the plateau.
And when we consulted Professor John Kutzbach out at University of Wisconsin, who's an expert in the study of ancient weather patterns, he says they have lots of data and fossils and God knows what else to prove that there were lakes in North Africa and on the Giza Plateau 9, 10,000, 12,000 years ago.
Nor were there any people around capable of constructing the Sphinx.
That's the other thing.
See, I mean, you can't have it both ways.
If the Sphinx was carved in 2,550 B.C., then how come, as we said in our video, according to the rate at which the Sphinx eroded, it could have eroded, it would have been completely gone by now.
If you follow the conventional reasoning.
And when some of the Egyptologists who have said that the Sphinx was carved from such a poor quality of limestone that they had to patch it as they were carving it, Dr. Shakto that, as I recall in our video, said, how come they built temples with these rocks?
If the whole system were rehabbed and set up as it once was, then I think the idea of guards and vibrations would come into play.
And I'll tell you what I mean, okay?
I came out of a meditative state, and I was in the sarcophagus, and it became clear to me that there were three things going on.
One was soul travel while the body was safely lying there.
The second was meetings with teachers who were not in bodies.
And the third was a testing system that was rather severe.
So the idea of guards, I think, has to do with the protection of the knowledge and the admission of people who are at the right frequency, I would say.
I mean, people have had out-of-body experiences for real in those pyramids, and they're documented.
I had one.
A lot of people I know have had them.
And there are things that happen to you in Egypt physically which are unavoidable.
I don't care how skeptical you are.
So I wouldn't rule that out at all.
And I think that the lady's quite right, that it has to do with possibly changing the vibrations of our own body-mind complex to the point where we become aware of some of these directions, instructions, passages, or whatever.
Boris, could it be true that what Casey meant and what is true is what that lady said, that those who would go down to that chamber and go through that tunnel, the ones who would make it would be the ones who had reached a larger understanding imparted within the pyramid, within the king's chamber, within perhaps even the sarcophagus.
I mean, anything that's complicated to do, you have to learn how to do.
I mean, I used to drive a podsled.
I don't learn to do that in 20 minutes, you know, and you have to build yourself up to a certain awareness of a certain series of tests and things that you have to be able to overcome that not everybody can do.
I don't think there's a huge big sign that says, Andrew, here, welcome to Atlantis.
I think it's complicated to find the answer to this.
We are discussing one of the great mysteries of the world.
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First time caller line, you're on the air with Boris Said.
Hello.
unidentified
Hello, Art and Boris.
Hi there.
This is Eric from Calamus V, Michigan.
Hi there.
And hi.
I actually had a comment and a question about what you guys were talking about earlier on whether when you go down into the Hall of Records or the room down there, if that does contain documents that are going to have a major impact on the world's religions,
something stating that we're from somewhere else other than Earth, don't you think that that might lead to some kind of information suppression or that the world wouldn't really hear about that kind of thing?
There is one possibility, and that is that before you arrive, before any cameras arrive, in fact, it may already have happened, that you recall in your video, there stood Zahiowas saying, we will open this.
Well, because I think that the nature of the Giza Plateau is that everybody seems to know what's going on there.
And, you know, for every guy giving an order, there are nine guys digging with Galabeaz, and those nine guys have got families and cousins, and the word seems to get out.
And I just believe that if they get in there, that the word will get out at least that they got in there.
Now, you may be right.
They may suppress it.
They may sit on the whole thing, and we're not going to get in there.
Or we may get in there and it may be empty, which is why Tom Danley and I are doing what we're doing, because we believe that there may be several ways to find this information.
Debecki said that his interpretation was that the chamber, he said there was definitely a different consistency of the rock, leading him to believe that it had been excavated.
And he felt that perhaps the ceilings had collapsed or stuff like that.
He felt that he was getting the kind of reading he sometimes got from an incomplete landfill.
That was his original statement in 1991.
Now, there is no clear way of knowing, short of drilling a hole down there, to find out what's really there.
Okay, you answered part of it just now when you said that Dr. Hawass was there in Virginia Beach.
What kind of credit does he give Edgar Casey for his comments and insight into the pyramids and the Sphinx?
I mean, if he's a believer, more or less, then he would understand, you know, that in the earlier Casey writings also, he said that the pyramid was a place of initiation.
He certainly didn't mention the word Edgar Casey down there in his talk that I heard.
He was talking about stuff they found, findings, and all of that sort of thing.
But he has always denied, steadfastly denied any evidence of a chamber under those fogs.
He has been firm on that.
He doesn't believe the radar and he doesn't believe the seismic stuff.
unidentified
Right.
But if you take it step by step, the way Casey unfolds that area and the use of the area, and he's very specific.
And also, since Edgar Casey was also very avidly, every year of his life, he read the Bible through, you know, completely from top to bottom every year for his life.
I mean, he also tied in with Scripture where, like, Moses was trained in the mysteries of Egypt.
And many times it mentions in scripture, you know, over and over, where Joseph and Mary fled to Egypt.
And there is quite a tie-in there between what we are getting in scripture and what Edgar Casey has said about that area.
And if the information is under the Sphinx, as he says, given Casey's background also in the Masonic order, I don't know.
But I think this ties in maybe with a peacemaker.
Those who would have such information would have to have the right, what was the word that you used a while ago?
I would presume that Dr. Dubecki has done a great deal of ground-penetrating radar work in a circle surrounding the area where he's found this chamber looking for something like this young lady just talked about.
There's nothing that I have ever seen in any of his work.
Zeb Coleman, the great Israeli bioenergist and psychic, suggested that there were steps leading down to a chamber and then steps leading down to yet another chamber.
And I think in some of the stuff that Jim Hertok has, Dr. Hertok has uncovered, alludes to different levels beneath the Sphinx and inverted pyramids and in water and all sorts of wonderful stuff.
We did find in our scientific investigations that the land fell away in front of the Sphinx and that it made there was some evidence for the fact that the Sphinx was sitting on what would amount to have been a cliff.
And then it was gradually all silted in or sanded in from the flow of the Nile.
But I don't know anything about a staircase going down.
I wouldn't dispute it.
There may have been.
I mean, I think all that terrain was different when the Sphinx was built.
Well, it may be you'll get down to some point about halfway down that tunnel toward the secret chamber, and there'll be something that won't open until the right cords are played.
And pyramids have always been a fascinating subject with me.
The nature of them themselves is kind of interesting, and I've actually done some scientific experiments with pyramids.
In particular, I've scaled my models according to those of the great pyramids, such as you're discussing.
And there's a correlation between them.
The height is always 0.54 times the base, and it forms an angle of 47.36 degrees with the base.
Now, that by itself is nothing.
But the experiments that I performed is I calculated the volume, which would be the base squared times one-third the, I mean the, yeah, one-third times the base squared times the height, and formed a cube, which actually comes down to the cube is about 0.56 on each side times the base.
But anyway, I made a cube and a pyramid at the same volume.
I aligned the pyramid north, south, east, and west.
And I put an orange, I cut an orange in half, put half the orange in the pyramid, half the orange in the cube.
And I invite all the listeners to reproduce this experiment at home.
Now, I have heard this same story from many, many people about pyramids anywhere, which may, by the way, account for why we have found pyramids all over the world.
But whether the shape, whether it's just the shape or the shape in concert with the vibrations is another story.
I think it has to do, I think it's the whole thing taken together, and I personally think, I mean, we're on the way to proving the stuff about the sonics.
It's going to be interesting to me to see the comparison between what happens inside Palenque, inside Teotihuacan, and inside the Great Pyramid because the shapes are so different.
It will be interesting to see if there's a correlation there.
Well, if there is indeed something to the metaphysical power, and I only use that word for lack of a better one, of the pyramid, then that may go to explain why we find pyramids, that shape, in fact, all over the world.
I did some reading, and this is, again, very, very interesting topic.
and you were talking about maybe having the pyramid of the tunnel open prematurely, then one of Casey's writings or books that I've read is saying that behind the door in the Hall of Records, there's a century and there are a type of guard that has been set up.
Exactly.
That is only high-minded people that are attuned with the planet or that are in tune with our...
Yes, yes.
And I think that it's going to take, even though they go in or they do find it, it's going to be rather interesting on who's going to be able to go in and maybe get to this Hall of Records because they know that I guess they will.
Well, let me ask you this, Color, just for fun, okay?
Let us say the tunnel is ready to be explored.
Who would you imagine to have the better chance?
The pragmatic scientist, the director of antiquities, Dr. Zahia Wass, or Boris Saeed, who is my guest tonight and would appear to have more of a, quote, understanding of the meaning of all this?
unidentified
I think Boris would probably someone that will not hide the truth, sort of like the Dead Sea Scrolls that are scattered and they're not letting them out.
Something that, you know, he'll actually use it for good.
Here I am, and we have one line, marginally available, maybe.
The first time caller line at Area Code 702-727-1222.
Our guest is Boris Said, and he is preparing to go shortly back to Egypt, financed by an incredible videotape that he has produced about Egypt and about why we should be going back there that is available to you, and we'll tell you how to get it again shortly.
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Everybody who gets one of these goes nuts when they realize they can take the best video and make skills out of it.
It is a remarkable ability.
Boris, you're back on the air.
I'm here.
All right, good.
Lots of people want to talk to you.
So, first time call online, you're on the air with Boris Aid.
And tonight I saw a video of Ten Keesy, Mary Prankster, climbing up one of the pyramids in Egypt, placing the Grateful Dead emblem on top of the pyramid.
That was interesting.
I just wanted to mention that before I go into my question.
Do you think Zacharias Sitchin, author of Zacharias Sitchin's point in the book 12th Planet, he mentions the Hebrew word Nephilim?
Would you think maybe that's behind the door that you guys are going to enter?
Or whoever the high people go, or maybe they'll take a Grateful Deadhead with them to that opening, perhaps, or something like that even.
I'm trying to keep clear of agendas and out of the line of fire politically here.
And I'm going to try and get it open and say, okay, guys, what do you think it is?
I'm steadfastly neutral here.
But I think that Zach may be right.
That may be what's back there.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, whatever that is.
My suggestion would maybe take a couple good musicians with you or some really open-minded healer-type people who are holders of quartz crystals or even amethyst crystals or many of the minerals that are on this earth.
Because, I mean, who knows what's really down there or up there?
Maybe that other caller said there's another dimension.
Well, I think the last question we answered, Art, before the end of the hour, the lady said something about people being at the right vibratory, people being in tune, in harmony with the earth.
If you go back to what Tom Downey was talking about, maybe that's what you did in the pyramid, was you got yourself into the right sort of harmonic relationship to the earth, and then you went in the tunnel.
And maybe it's maybe whether Za'i Hawaz lies in the box or I lie in the box or Art Bell lies in the box or John Anthony West, we all get the same kind of a buzz and in we go.
But someone had said that a gentleman had also said that only the right person at the right time could enter this tunnel or this hidden room, the secret room.
Do you think that maybe it could be that these were built as like a legend, like that some Aborigines perform or people of real deep thought and religion perform that not of something that is going on when it's built, but of something that they believe will happen.
Well, I'm here, but I'm not sure I understand either.
Caller, you want to rephrase it, please?
unidentified
Um well, I'm I'm trying, I'm losing my train of thought here.
Um not so much that it was built, the pyramids were built and the tunnel was built for a certain purpose at the time that it was built, but for something that was going to happen in the future.
Like Art, with your book, The Quickening, you and a lot of your other guests talk about something that is taking place now, something that is going to happen.
We don't know whether it's built by people who were just in Egypt 4,000 or 5,000 years ago or whether it was built 12,000 years ago by people from elsewhere.
And so your question bears on which of those is true.
What I'm trying to do, as I say, I repeat trying to do, is focus my attention on what we can determine, which is what are the possible reasons for this thing?
What are the possible effects of its being?
It is unquestionably there.
It's one of the most extraordinary monuments on the face of the earth, structures on the face of the earth.
I mean, I've lived my whole life not so much in, you know, with no regard for the possibility of dying, but I think that death is only a catastrophe in a three-dimensional world.
And if we're in a three-dimensional world, then I might just as well be dead because it can't be a three-dimensional world.
My second question is, if this hollow records or whatever is found underneath the Sphinx is found, then the knowledge contained, if the knowledge contained and found there would be so radical as to change the government systems on the planet of Earth and cause such chaos,
what would happen?
Could that possibly be what starts the seven years of tribulation?
Well, look, we did this thing on dating the Sphinx, okay?
And I think we proved pretty conclusively that the Sphinx was a lot older, scientifically.
I don't see anybody burning any textbooks.
I don't see the academic community accepting this knowledge.
I think if we get into this chamber and there's a big sign that says, you know, God is alive and living in Lodi, New Jersey, I don't think the world is going to suddenly go to Lodi and bow down.
In other words, I don't think that our society is so malleable that it's going to change directions 180 degrees or even 5 degrees according to something that we find in Egypt.
I think it takes a long time to make this ship come about.
And that's one of the reasons why, I mean, absolutely, all these things certainly are possible, but I don't believe that we're going to find something which is suddenly going to make everybody in the world turn 180 degrees.
And certainly I don't think it's going to have any effect on religion, which is basically an abstract kind of a system of meditation.
Isn't it?
I mean, it certainly is abstract.
I can't imagine you're going to find a tablet down there that says, stop believing in God.
Well, I don't believe that either, Boris, but I do believe that the Hall of Records could reveal a reality that predates our knowledge of God a couple of thousand years ago.
But I think that we're in real trouble to begin with.
just a question of degree.
I think if we can come out of this whole search for knowledge with a better understanding of how to survive, a lot of people may, you know, may be able to do something else with their bomb shelters.
There was a curse, and there were people who died.
Boris will tell you about that in a minute.
unidentified
Okay, well, maybe that has something to do with the sinks, too, because maybe there's something radioactive in there or something, and anybody with knowledge better take a Geiger counter in there or something, you know?
Well, this is really more properly an Egyptologist yarn, but there was this man named Carter who opened, who found the tomb of Tutankhamun after years and years and years of searching.
And they opened the tomb, and it was filled, as we all know, with riches.
It's one of the most extraordinary finds of all time.
And six of his closest associates, including his backer, Lord Carnabran, died of mysterious ailments.
I mean, one guy was bitten by some sort of bug, and I mean, these six people died of all sorts of mysterious diseases, and they all died, apparently, like within a year of the opening of the tomb.
So there's a lot to be said about the reality of what we're calling a curse.
Certainly it's possible.
I mean, there are a lot, more people believe in curses than don't believe in curses in this world.
So I believe that that could be absolutely valid.
There could be some sort of a psychic thing that's been put on these tombs and put on all of these places.
But I think we have to push on in spite of it and just hope that the answer will be there.
I don't think we should be deterred by stuff like that.
Speak up good and loud for us and ask your question.
unidentified
Well, I have two questions, really.
One is you keep talking about vibrations.
And I read a book, it's been a good while, though, that there's some kind of tomb in Egypt there that it can be only lit up by the sun only one certain time of a year when the sun's at a certain angle.
And all the rest of the time, you know, it don't ever light up the whole town.
There is a room in the Karnak Temple in which there is a fabulous statue of Sekhmet, and the sun only shines through a crack in the ceiling and illuminates the statue on one day of the year.
There's also the famous Holy of Holies at Abu Simbel, which is, of course, a temple that was moved.
And there's one day of the year, I believe, the 21st of October, when the sun, when it rose, lit up the very depths of that temple.
That's absolutely valid.
unidentified
And the second question is, you keep talking about a library supposedly in that chamber and stuff.
Hoagland, as you know, is very suspicious that whatever we find over there will have been found or investigated or removed by somebody before we can get to it.
They all go directly and specifically towards our efforts to get back over there this spring and get that tunnel open.
I'm going to take 20 people with me as witnesses.
They're going to go at 50% of a normal rate, which is our film crew rate with Egypt Air and the local Wohenpic Hotel over there, which is the five-star hotel.
Two people are going to go absolutely free of the 20.
What I'm asking is probably something bizarre and probably makes no sense to both of you.
But I'm just wondering if maybe the chambers is something from, like some people don't like to talk about extraterrestrials that probably came here in the past.
And maybe there was a chamber where they kind of adapted to our earth before they felt comfortable enough to wander among us.
Like, for example, the different races that we have, they all seem to be from different areas.
And I'm just wondering if that chamber is maybe were used in that respect.
And also, do you think of other pyramids?
Do they have chambers alike?
And would their frequencies or resonance be connected to the main one there?
Mine, I think my opinion varies between two possibilities.
One is that, yes, all of that was put there by somebody or somebody's from somewhere else.
I consider that to be a 50% possibility, along with the possibility that ancients here on Earth put it there so that we might know how to avoid what seems to be a coming event or cataclysm, if you will.
Again, I believe that there were people that lived in other places or beings that lived in other places.
I can't imagine we're alone in the universe.
Again, I'm trying really hard as a documentarian to focus on what is demonstrable, what basically we can convey to people and what people can understand.
And I think any of these speculations are valid.
If you ask me what I believe, yes, I believe that there were beings from other planets, other worlds, if you like, who were here for whatever reason.
I think fact fiction stuff is really very interesting.
So is some of Von Daniken's stuff for that matter.
I mean, there's all sorts of valid speculations as to where all this stuff goes.
Okay, one thing that I ran into when I was in Egypt that I'm hard-pressed to explain until I thought about it a little bit is the tombs of the workers.
Now, I saw them.
I was there.
I walked among them.
And this is where the people who actually built the pyramids are buried.
Now, that doesn't mean that they did it alone.
That doesn't mean that there was not intervention that allowed them to build what otherwise, even with thousands of workers, would be literally impossible.
And Greg Braden talks about that those things simulated the zero points that he sees us heading towards with the zero magnetics and increased frequency, the base resonant frequencies.
Did you feel something maybe akin to something that we're heading towards when you were in there?
had no great revelation if that's what you mean what I felt I cannot yet put words to but it was a sort of a I don't What I felt, I felt in every fiber of my being, my whole body.
There was no question about it, but I experienced no out-of-body stuff.
I experienced no revelation or anything like that.
But something was definitely going on.
I'm sorry, that's insufficient.
One day I'll figure out how to say it all.
unidentified
Well, maybe we all will.
And one of the things that I'm wondering about, about getting into this Hall of Records, when they talk about the right people going in, Greg also talks about being able to maintain a certain frequency level in our bodies based on emotions and that sort of thing.
And if maybe that was a tuning device, I like some of the ancient initiates went through that and they were tuned to things that we were going to be experiencing here and now.
And if maybe that is a prerequisite to being able to enter into that hall of record.
We stood on the side of the Sphinx by that little hole that goes down three meters.
Okay.
And I asked Zahi directly, I've got it on tape, I said, Zahi, what do you think is beneath the Sphinx?
And he stopped cold and he said, nothing.
I think there is nothing down there.
He said, but I understand the world's people need a reason to hope.
And he said, that's fine.
But if you ask me what I think is here, nothing.
He said, not one grain of sand, not one artifact has ever been found on the entire plateau to suggest there was Atlantis or anything else ever present.
I am a little nervous because I always have microphonitis.
But I wanted to tell you guys, first of all, I'm kind of amazed that you have not discussed the Roman historian Josephus and what He said about the pyramids being erected by shepherd kings who came out of the East.
They were Arabian.
According to his own records, anyone's library goes to see his writings.
He says that.
And also in Isaiah 19, 19, the Lord says in Isaiah 19, 19, quote, I have placed signs and wonders in the middle of Egypt and at the border thereof, even unto this day.
Now, the phrase unto this day is a code phrase for the last days.
Well, if we take then what she said literally, I would say that we are close to that time based on what's going on in the world right now and the way we're headed ecologically.
If this is all to be discovered in the last days, then I think that will be pretty soon.
That's just my opinion.
Wild Cardline, you're on the air with Boris Said.
Good morning.
unidentified
Good morning, Eric.
I was just wondering, Boris, has anyone ever taken the pyramid?
Obviously, it's on an angle.
Has anyone ever extended the lines out using, obviously, the Earth's round?
And what I'm suggesting is that there's the pyramid as this point, and then taking the lines or the angles of the pyramid and taking them all the way out to the Earth and see what geometric pattern or where the points would meet?
You know, when I look at that, if I just put that little point of that, like say the circle is the Earth, and I put that little point, instead of being inside the circle, just a little bit outside the circle.
It seems like years ago, I remember hearing Dr. Gene Scott mention that at the bottom of the descending passageway in the Great Pyramid, there was a bottomless pit that they never found the bottom to.
And the information about perhaps some kind of guards at the doorway or passageway into this, there's a Native American story that seemed to come to mind about that, about white buffalo calf woman.