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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Gordon Michael Scallion - Predictions of Major Earth Changes. Stan Deyo

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	Welcome to Arkbell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring for 19th, 1997.
	From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, or good morning, as the case may be, across all these many time zones in the nighttime, stretching from the Hawaiian and Tahitian island chains, out west, all the way east and Caribbean, south into South America, Good morning down there, and north to the pole.
	Good morning up there.
	This is Coast to Coast AM, and I'm Art Bell.
	This night, we are going to do many things.
	At 11 o'clock, or the beginning of next hour, we will talk with Gordon Michael Scallion.
	It has been about a year since we've talked to Gordon.
	It would be my guess he'll spend only a couple of hours with us, but we'll see.
	That is his present condition.
	He's not very strong, but he's got something he wants to get out.
	In other words, he would have actually put this off for several months, if he could have put it off for several months.
	The information is so dire.
	And so necessary for it to be out now that he is coming on the air despite the way he feels.
	Updating you on another situation.
	Danion Brinkley.
	The news is not good.
	He's had another setback.
	I'm sorry to say.
	Danion has a new aneurysm.
	And this time he is bleeding from an area under his brain.
	Putting pressure literally on his eye Now the the holes they drilled literally in his head to relieve pressure Did their job for the aneurysms that he had?
	But this new one Um, is not draining through the holes that have already been drilled.
	So, the pressure is building.
	He's had some blood pressure problems.
	And, um, you know, it doesn't look good, and you can certainly use your prayers, and I got a call about a half an hour, um, I think prior to air time, tonight, about his current condition.
	He's now unstable.
	Again.
	And I am far from being a brain surgeon, as you well know.
	So I cannot tell you the implications of, you know, the present difficulty.
	How big it is.
	I do know that they're unable to give him any clotting medicine.
	As a matter of fact, he normally takes Coumadin, which thins the blood because of his heart valve.
	So, again, what keeps him alive appears to be killing him.
	And the late news is not good.
	And I was very much afraid when I left, though there was some jubilation, of course, about what they had accomplished in the operation they did, that there were going to be additional complications.
	So I am not surprised, but I am certainly saddened by this development.
	Maybe somebody out there who does know the implications of that area and aneurysm In that area.
	Now, the upside is, of course, he is presently in intensive care.
	So, if you're going to have an aneurysm, that's the place you want to be.
	In other words, they are close at hand.
	The very best help available is close at hand.
	So that is an update on Danion.
	I will keep you informed.
	I had a photograph of Danion up on my live studio cam for about 24 hours and I would presume a number of you got to see that.
	The high-resolution 35 millimeter photography is in, and I will scan it and get it up over the weekend.
	I'll get it on the web page so you might want to watch for that over the weekend.
	And one other thing, a Danion recorded on videotape is goodbye, and I've got that.
	And I surely hope that I don't need to play it for you.
	But should the occasion arise, if Danion does not make it, I will play it for you.
	And he was very circumspect about it all.
	Very circumspect about it himself.
	Life is very short and my advice to all of you is to make of it what you can while you can because actually you're all here for a cosmic blink.
	All of us.
	Except maybe those immortals who call from time to time.
	The rest of us mere mortals are here for a very short time indeed and it brings home the lesson that you should use your time wisely.
	That's your Danion Brinkley update.
	I wish I could say it was a better one.
	An Air Force B-1 bomber crashed in Montana, killing all four crew members.
	This means now that there have been six U.S.
	military crashes, air crashes, this week.
	And that seems like too many.
	A very, very bad week for military aviation.
	A Vice President Gore has hired private lawyers to help him deal with mushrooming allegations involving fundraising practices from last year's presidential election.
	You know, phone calls from the White House, that kind of thing.
	The spin the White House is putting on this is that it humanizes Gore.
	It makes the otherwise stiff-spined, always-sitting-at-attention Al Gore more human.
	And that is an interesting way to try to spin this.
	So I wonder if this is out in 98.
	Diana's bodyguard cannot remember a thing.
	He was due to talk.
	Bodyguard Trevor Reese Jones.
	But he has nothing to talk about, because he can't remember.
	And it may be that our brains do that.
	Particularly with respect to short-term occurrences, they just sort of reject them.
	At any rate, it does not look like at this time there will be any information coming from Mr. Reese.
	Reese Jones, I guess it is.
	Here's an interesting item, particularly in view of last night's program.
	Four-nation talks in New York on an agenda for Korean peace negotiations broke down Friday after famine-stricken North Korea persisted with demands that U.S.
	officials said were simply unacceptable.
	Washington blamed North Korea for the failure of the discussions Part of a series between the U.S., China, South Korea, and North Korea to hold a formal conference in Geneva to forge a permanent peace agreement for the bitterly divided Korean Peninsula.
	U.S.
	officials said the sides failed to reach agreement on agenda items because North Korea linked food aid to the talks and demanded the U.S.
	stop, or rather begin now, troop withdrawals from South Korea There are no plans for new talks.
	Ed Dames last night suggested the first use of a nuclear weapon would be the North against the South in Korea.
	Just thought I would bring that to your attention.
	The strongest satellite evidence yet of a powerful weather disrupting El Nino
	shows that a warm water mass off South America's Pacific Coast
	has now grown to one and one-half times the size of the continental US, according to NASA.
	Bye.
	The warm mass was only two-thirds its current size four months ago.
	Now there was some argument with a climatologist I had on the air who suggested the El Nino was indeed continuing to grow and you may recall some who said they were expert called in and said no no no the math the counts are all showing it's getting smaller so here you have now evidence not only is it getting bigger But it is becoming the biggest they've ever recorded.
	In another indication of El Nino's powerful hand, water vapor measurements from yet another satellite are providing signs the southwestern U.S.
	could get pounded this winter with Pineapple Express storms crossing the Pacific from Hawaii.
	So there you have it.
	There is now proof from NASA, from satellites, that indeed this is the most powerful El Nino ever recorded.
	And by the way, it continues to build now.
	Let me read you what Gordon Michael Scallion, who will be here next hour, said to me when he faxed me.
	He's got a new book, Art.
	You will find enclosed a new copy of my book.
	Notes from the Cosmos, a futurist's insights into the world of dream prophecy and intuition.
	I think you'll find the chapter on the awakening to be the most interesting subject, one that both you and I have discussed previously.
	I have appreciated your ongoing support of my work and your desire to have me appear on your show.
	Again during the past year, I've been trying to restore my vitality and complete my book prior to the great changes I see on the doorstep here in just a few months.
	I now feel we have something of value to share with your listeners dealing with the activities that are now going on in Montserrat as well as the phenomenal ocean temperature rise globally.
	Part of me is totally amazed that the world is not focusing on the cause of the current El Nino.
	For in my opinion, it is much more than El Nino.
	In my opinion, we are very close to global cataclysmic events.
	While some might say the current weather changes are indeed that, I see these only as precursors to a shift in the magnetic field of Earth, as well as a disruption of the tectonic plate system.
	So we will be asking Gordon Michael Scallion.
	It'll be good to hear his voice again about all of this next hour.
	Now, I am booking some guests that I think you're going to be rather interested in.
	For example, coming Monday is Boris Saeed.
	Boris Saeed is going to blow the literal top Off what has been going on in Egypt with the shore expedition.
	He has been at odds with the shore expedition now for some time, and has been unwilling to talk.
	This has been, oh I guess, going back at least a year.
	And he called me yesterday, and well today as well, And said, that's it.
	I've had it.
	I'm ready to talk.
	And boy, do I have a lot to say.
	So, Boris Saeed will be coming up this Monday.
	Now, next Friday night, uh, Friday night, Saturday morning, this is one I know a lot of you have been waiting for.
	And I hope we can get it on the air without incident.
	My guests will be Gene Hough and Bob Lazar.
	I wonder how many of you know who Bob Lazar is?
	Bob is a physicist who worked, he says, at Area 51 and back-engineered craft that were there.
	He will describe these for you.
	He saw them.
	In some cases, he was inside and actually worked on them.
	Bob Lazar is not going to be doing radio interviews after this one.
	For quite some time.
	And they will give you the reasons for that, so you're not going to want to miss it.
	That's Friday night, Saturday morning, the 26th.
	So I'm working on that and some other bookings, and that's kind of an update on where things are.
	We will go to open lines here in a moment until the top of the hour.
	Again, I wish the news I could give you on Danion was better.
	And I would say your continued prayers for his recovery can't hurt.
	There does certainly seem to be something to the power of prayer.
	Whatever that something is would provide a wide field for argument.
	But I think the fact of its effectiveness is not arguable at all.
	Now we take you back to the night of September 19th, 1997, on Arkbell, Somewhere in Time.
	And we begin.
	Well, all right.
	My book, as you know, The Quickening, more relevant now than ever, ever, ever before, is available nationwide in bookstores.
	You can go into just about any bookstore and ask for The Quickening by Art Bell.
	And, you know, I just don't understand some things about life.
	In some ways, these are the best and the worst times for me.
	And I really mean that.
	The absolute best and the absolute worst.
	So many things have happened, some that I have told you about in the past in my private life, that are threatening and tragic and things I can't really talk about.
	And now there's Daniel on top of that.
	And some other things that I just really can't talk about.
	The very worst that you might imagine.
	And at the same time, the very best is occurring.
	This program's growth has been non-stop and looks like it will continue that way.
	The book I wrote, The Quickening, is on the bestseller list and headed up, up, up.
	I've got a magnificent trip coming up.
	To a very exotic part of the world, the virtual cradle of humanity.
	So it's a kind of an odd thing, and I've been doing a little bit of thinking about it of late.
	The best and the worst of times, they seem to come, you know, together.
	Maybe that is my manifest destiny.
	I don't know.
	But it is interesting, and I'm sitting back almost as a dispassionate observer at times, and I begin to wonder, how can this be the best and worst all at once?
	Kind of strange, huh?
	I'm going to do one book signing.
	It will be in Encinitas.
	It will be October 25th at 10 o'clock in the morning.
	10 o'clock onward.
	And I would love to see you there, Barnes and Noble.
	They're at 1040 North El Camino Real in Encinitas.
	So you might pencil me in.
	Uh, if you get a chance on your calendar, and I would love to sign a book for you, I do warn, that is the only book signing I am going to be doing for The Quickening.
	And, as last night, Danion, this is for you.
	With no peace of mind, and I'm ready for the times to come, Listen to the words.
	It kind of fits.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 19th, 1997.
	I've got to tell you I've been racking my brain Hoping to find a way out
	I've had enough of this continual rain Changes are coming, no doubt
	It's a good thing.
	It's been a too long time with no peace of mind And I'm ready for the time to get better
	You seem to want from me what I cannot give I feel so lonesome at times
	I have a dream that I wish I could live It's burning holes in my mind
	Long time.
	With no peace in mind.
	And I'm ready for the time to get better.
	Na na na na na na na na na na na...
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 19th, 1997.
	Just seems to fit somehow.
	Damien, jam it.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 19, 1997.
	Just seems to fit somehow.
	Danion, jam it, get better.
	He's not doing well and once again he's, I guess, on the critical list.
	So, all the prayers you can muster up would seem appropriate.
	you Anyway, it's gonna be open lines from here to the top of the hour, and then Gordon Michael Scali in a voice you've not heard in a very long time.
	and in just one moment we shall begin now we take you back to the night of september nineteenth
	nineteen ninety seven
	on our bills somewhere in time and
	Now, to our lines.
	Ease to the Rockies.
	You're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Hello?
	Yes, turn your radio off, please.
	Oh, yeah, this is Art.
	Yes, turn your radio on.
	I did.
	I'm glad to have been listening to your show for a while.
	Since January, I got my third shift.
	I heard you advertising that you were saying, when you were talking to Stan Dale, that you might be getting some suppliers of water purifiers?
	Yes.
	Do you know when you'll be starting to do that?
	Well, of course we have had some on the air before and we are investigating getting some back.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So all I can say is soon.
	Okay.
	Do you know if they will be filter type purifiers or might they be distillers?
	Well, I don't know.
	We'll look at both.
	Okay.
	Because I've been... You know, it's one of the things that people ought to have on hand.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	See, I have storable food, and I continue to store and vacuum pack.
	Good for you.
	But the one nut that I cannot crack is the water thing.
	And filters are nice, but they eventually break down and clog.
	And I've been looking high and low.
	In fact, I went to the Thomas Registry of American Manufacturers of manufacturers who make distillers.
	And also survival equipment.
	But I haven't been able to find anybody who makes a water distiller that does not require electricity.
	Okay, I will see what I can find.
	In the meantime, as you well know, there are chemical purifiers.
	Right.
	And you should have those in stock.
	I see.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	And I'll be waiting for your show tonight.
	I'll record it.
	Well, you don't have to wait for my show, sir.
	It's already on.
	Oh, I know.
	But I mean, I'm going to be waiting for Gordon Michaels.
	He's going to be good, I think.
	I've never heard him talk before.
	I've only heard rumors about him.
	All right.
	Well, the rumors end tonight, and you will hear Gordon.
	Thank you.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Oh, good evening, Art.
	This is Warren in Portland, Oregon.
	Yes, sir.
	I've been wanting to get through for quite a while here.
	I know you've got an interest in Atlantis, and I wanted to offer a suggestion for somebody you might want to get.
	All right.
	A gentleman by the name of David Hatcher Childress.
	He's written a whole series of books on ancient cities and lost civilizations.
	Do you have a contact number for him?
	I knew you were going to ask that.
	Give me a second here.
	No, no, no.
	Don't give it on the air.
	Oh, OK.
	But I mean by email.
	I do have a telephone number for him.
	I can give you references that could probably put you in contact with him.
	That's fine.
	Anything you have would be great help.
	Just email it to me or fax it to me or send it to me in a letter.
	Oh, drat.
	OK.
	I'll have to send it snail mail.
	I don't... That's fine.
	OK.
	And let's see.
	Oh, the other one.
	The cataclysm topic.
	It's interesting.
	Keeps coming up, because I've got some thoughts on it myself.
	I make no claim to being a great clairvoyant or anything like that, but every now and then I get nudges myself and I keep coming up, hitting something coming up.
	I know.
	Somewhere around 2004 is what I keep getting, but I can't get a picture of it or anything.
	Well, you and I are exactly alike.
	Thank you.
	I, too, don't know.
	But I keep getting glimpses of it.
	Interesting way to put it.
	There is something out there, something coming, something looming.
	You can feel it.
	Can't you?
	But you can't quite put your finger on it, and I am not Gordon Michael, nor am I Ed Dames.
	I just know it so.
	And that, to me, makes it all the more powerful.
	I am not a psychic.
	I am not a Danian.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Yeah, this is Brian from South Carolina.
	Yes, Brian.
	Yeah, I'd like to say real quick, my prayers go out to Danian and all.
	Boy, he sure needs them.
	I know it, man.
	It sucks.
	But I think he'll be alright.
	About what I called for, y'all gave the number for the technical remote viewing?
	Yes.
	Do you have it?
	Do I have it?
	Okay, uh, could you like, uh, rebroadcast the show over the weekend or something?
	Uh, as a matter of fact, yes, we will.
	It will rebroadcast Saturday night and Sunday morning.
	Cool, I appreciate it.
	Um, on another note, I think the, uh, big event that everybody's talking about.
	Yes.
	It looks to me like it's like pieces of the puzzle.
	Everybody, um, has like one piece or another of the puzzle, and it's just a matter of everybody getting it put together.
	Like somebody Over here has one, like, Perception, and somebody else has another piece.
	And nobody's really wrong, but I think, you know, if we all got together and just said, well, okay, instead of, you know, hammering on everybody else, let's just say that, you know, I've got this piece, you've got that piece, let's all put it together, and we'll see, you know, kind of get, you know, like, a glance at what's to come.
	You know what I'm talking about?
	Here's somebody who wrote a question for Gordon Michael Sky.
	Dear Art, this is a question for Gordon Michael Sky.
	There seem to be as many different visions for the future as there are visionaries, but the common thread to all of them is that something very big is about to happen, indeed is happening.
	Mother Mary, through Annie Kirkwood, has said she feels that we have been given a reprieve.
	Is it possible that several different scenarios will be happening simultaneously, and that perhaps we each turn into a different channel, so to speak?
	Kathy in Blue Lake, California.
	So she is essentially saying the same thing, that the words are different, the visionaries are different,
	but there is a commonality to all of them.
	Oh, yeah.
	I think so.
	You have to forgive me.
	I'm a little bit nervous.
	I haven't talked on the radio before.
	It's all right to be nervous.
	I'm nervous, too.
	I hear you.
	That's all I really wanted to say right now.
	I'll probably be calling back again later.
	Take care.
	Alright, cool.
	Appreciate it.
	Right.
	Alright, from South Carolina.
	Sure.
	Don't you feel it?
	That's where my book, The Quickening, came from.
	The fact that I felt it.
	And the reason I wrote it, I think, is because people would say, well, it's communication art.
	You know, it's all the instant, it's the internet.
	It's the networks.
	It's television.
	And we're simply hearing about this more frequently.
	And so the book was necessary to quiet those and prove them wrong.
	And it does that.
	So if you want to read it for yourself, get a copy of it.
	And try and deny the documentation within, in every single important area of human endeavor.
	We are obviously racing toward an event.
	On my international line, you're on the air.
	Good morning.
	Good morning Art.
	It's Rob from Alberta, Canada calling.
	Is it online?
	Hi Rob, yes it is.
	Fantastic.
	I'm just wondering about, um, if you can help me out with this habit that cats have that I'm curious about.
	I'm wondering why cats will come up to you Yes.
	and rub themselves on you to get their scent on to you so you smell like them.
	Right?
	Yes.
	But why is it that as soon as we pet a cat or touch a cat, their first instinct is to
	clean themselves to get our scent off of them?
	Isn't that kind of a double standard?
	No.
	No.
	They are claiming you, in effect, as their territory.
	When they put their scent on you, they're claiming you as their territory.
	When you put your scent on them, you're in effect trying to claim them as your territory.
	And they are offended.
	So they don't think it's rude being double standard, eh?
	Well, I don't know if rude would be the appropriate term to apply here.
	I think it's just something they do.
	That's the way cats are.
	You belong to them.
	I see.
	They don't belong to you.
	Do you have any tips about bringing a new cat into a family?
	Because I think you know that if you were to bring a kitten in, I mean, it throws the hierarchy of the cat's world into chaos.
	It does, yes.
	And they hate you for it.
	I know.
	Now, I heard one time that what you're to do is to bring the kitten in in a box and you put the box in the middle of the floor and all the cats come in and you introduce all the cats to this box and then somehow open this box slowly so the kitten can find its way out.
	That way they don't blame you for bringing this kitten in.
	It just appeared out of this box.
	Have you heard anything about that?
	No, but that's an interesting idea.
	In other words, you're saying they discover it themselves.
	Right.
	I didn't bring it in so they're not going to get mad at me and they're not going to pee all over my clothes anymore.
	You sound like you're going through cat hell.
	No, I'm not.
	I do this once and I want to do it again.
	I want to get another cat in here, but I don't want to go through cat hell.
	How many do you have?
	I have two.
	All right.
	Bringing in the second one, when you have one, is very hard.
	Bringing in the third really changes the dynamic in a way that's better.
	So you have less to worry about with number three.
	Okay.
	So the box idea probably would work.
	It'll add a safe zone into this thing.
	Give it a try.
	Well, thanks a lot.
	All right, take care.
	It is worth a try.
	First time caller line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hey, Art Bell.
	Yes, sir.
	Hello.
	Hi.
	Wow, I've been trying to get through for you for so long.
	Well, here you are.
	Let me turn my radio off for a second.
	All right, please do that.
	And then also tell us where you are.
	Yeah, I'm calling from Columbus, Ohio, actually, right now.
	All right.
	And I was wondering, I just heard a caller in that called about the cats.
	Yes.
	I do think it's kind of a funny thing coming in.
	It's an interesting call.
	I know you get a lot of... You run just kind of a free forum?
	Sure.
	Okay, that's cool.
	I'm staying overnight at a friend's house.
	We sent you a fax not too long ago.
	About what?
	I can't remember exactly.
	We had you... You sent me a fax and you can't remember?
	All right.
	Yeah, it's interesting.
	This is commonly known as mind wipe.
	Right.
	I know what you're talking about.
	You get on the air and then you totally forget why you called.
	Well, you know, here's something I'd like to know.
	Have you ever talked to JC again?
	JC has not called in in quite a while.
	So, the answer is, I have not talked to JC, I would guess, for about three months.
	Oh, you've got your radio on, don't you?
	That is a disastrously bad idea.
	Good grief.
	It's very confusing.
	Yes, it is.
	Okay, you got it off?
	I will agree with you on that.
	Do you have it off?
	No, you don't.
	Alright, well, I'm going to have to move on if you can't get your radio off.
	There we go.
	You got it?
	You're off now.
	Okay.
	See, you don't want to come on the air and sound silly, and when the radio's going, you'll sound silly because you hear yourself six seconds later.
	Right, and it's like, what the heck's going on here?
	Yeah, that's right.
	You always wonder what's going on.
	Anyway, you're on, so what's on your mind?
	Uh, well, I, you know, I, uh, Listened to a bunch of the JC calls, and I really got a good kick out of that.
	And, uh, I was wondering... Did he ever, um... Did he ever mention anything about, uh... I never actually heard him talk about the Commandments.
	Of all things, I never actually heard him talk about the Commandments.
	Well... I think he more or less accused me of breaking most of them, uh, without quite, uh, quoting them, but you are correct.
	Right.
	And something that I did think was funny, the new revelation?
	What happened to the old one?
	I don't know.
	Where the heck did that go?
	I don't know.
	Don't ask me to comment on Jaycee's logic.
	Because I don't follow it.
	I appreciate your call, sir.
	Thank you.
	I never did quite follow his logic.
	J.C.' 's God is a very angry, punishing God who would send you to hellfire and burn you eternally.
	That's J.C.' 's God.
	A very fearful God, indeed.
	Not my God.
	If there's only one God, Art, you're gonna burn.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi, Art.
	This is Matt from Madison, Wisconsin.
	Yes, Matt.
	I'd like to talk about the Phoenix Lights and what Ed Dames had to say about them.
	I've been listening to your program for about four or five months, and I frequently go to your audio net page on the web.
	Right.
	And there's a particular show from July 28, 1997.
	About three and a half hours into the program, you receive a call from Jim Dilettoso at Village Labs.
	Yes.
	And I was wondering if that is in fact who Ed Dames suspects to be the culprit of the hoax.
	I have no idea.
	He didn't name anybody.
	He did name you.
	What are your opinions on that?
	About who it is?
	Yeah.
	Um, I wouldn't say.
	Okay.
	You know, I mean, libel laws would prevent us from saying somebody did it.
	Okay.
	And also, I certainly don't think Jim Delitoso is the one.
	jim delatoso does not run a uh...
	laser light show okay and i think that's a games was talking about somebody who
	were ran a laser light show well i see okay that's where i recall it
	okay uh... i also like to ask you about the uh...
	the uh... recent military plane crashes
	what you think is going on with that there was another one tonight i know if i if i knew i would
	tell you okay great
	I'm sorry I can't help you out.
	A B-1 went down in Montana.
	Yeah.
	It's been a very bad week for military aviation.
	I just went to Ellsworth Air Force Base a few months ago.
	Saw the B-1 flight line.
	And?
	Just to comment.
	That's pretty interesting.
	Alright, well thank you very much for the call.
	I have no idea.
	I have no idea.
	Very, very, very bad luck for military aviation.
	Now, these things seem to go in cycles, both civilian and military aviation.
	And for a long time, everything is okay, and then suddenly, the roof caves in.
	Why that occurs?
	I don't know.
	It's like life.
	The good and the bad all at once.
	Why?
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Well, hi, Art.
	How you doing?
	Fine.
	Where are you?
	I'm in Ohio.
	Okay.
	You know, I've been thinking about these lights up in the sky that everybody's been talking about.
	Yes?
	You know what I think they are?
	What?
	If you think about it, Art, it has to be something with the Earth underneath the Earth.
	And when those little round lights glare up in the sky, you know, it has to be pressure from the Earth.
	Why does it have to be?
	Well, it has to be gas.
	Why?
	Because that's just the way I feel about it.
	You mean you think it's gas?
	Yeah, I really do think that it's gas.
	Okay, it might be.
	And I really do think, Art, that in those parts of the world where they're seeing those things, those are going to be the parts that are going to have the worst earthquakes.
	Think about it.
	Well, yeah, I wouldn't rule that out.
	In other words, if you're right about A, then you certainly might be right about B. I might.
	Now, are you ever going to have anyone on your program that does astronomical reports?
	That does what?
	They're called professional astrologers, and they do astronomical reports.
	Have you ever heard of those people?
	You mean like when you call up and say, Hi, I was born on so-and-so?
	No, no, no.
	This is a guy who does a chart.
	On what?
	On your whole...
	From the time you were born to the time you die.
	Yeah, sure.
	Are you ever going to have anybody like that?
	Never.
	Never?
	No.
	I don't like it.
	It's kind of like, as I just said, people call up and say, well, I was born on so and so and so and so at such and such a place and time.
	And there was one program that had it on there.
	I'm sure there is.
	There's a lot.
	But you know what it does?
	What does it do?
	It bores the hell out of people.
	Yeah, it bores them.
	In other words, if you're the one getting... you get through and they read your chart, then it's very interesting for you.
	Right.
	And very boring for everybody else.
	You're right.
	That's a silly thing.
	You're a great guy, Art.
	I appreciate your call.
	Thank you.
	I was even hesitant about James Van Praagh.
	He is a very gifted psychic.
	But giving individual readings On the air, I have always thought to be a very non-productive, very uninteresting thing for everybody else except the one getting the reading.
	Now, when you're talking about psychics or visionaries like Gordon Michael Scallion, it's a horse of a different color.
	And that horse is coming up right after the news.
	This is Coast to Coast AM.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 19th, 1997.
	This is a report from the Coast to Coast team.
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	That sunny day.
	When you first came my way.
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	Tonight's program originally aired September 19th, 1997.
	All right, coming up in a moment, somebody I haven't heard from in a long, long time, Gordon Michael Scallion.
	And he's got a lot to say.
	Now we take you back to the night of September 19th, 1997, on Ark Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Well alright, uh...
	Here he is after a full year of not talking to him.
	Gordon Michael Scallion from New Hampshire, right, Gordon?
	Correct.
	Boy, it's good to hear your voice again.
	Good talking to you, Mark.
	As a matter of fact, I have got the large version, Gordon, of your future world map in my proud little spa room that I built for my rotten back.
	And it's very sobering to look at every day.
	Gordon, I know you're here for a very serious reason.
	I know you're not doing a lot of interviews.
	I know that you've been sort of out of it for about a year.
	So, first of all, tell the audience, if you would, why you've been kind of out of it for a year.
	There's so much energy that a person has, and the energy I'm speaking about is is psychic energy, energy where you are tapped into a
	higher level of consciousness.
	I didn't understand what was happening to me.
	I know that in 1996 I received nonstop visions for almost six weeks.
	I wasn't able to drive, wasn't able to do much of anything except allow these visions
	to happen.
	They all pointed to 1998, which is not an unfamiliar year to me, as you know.
	Yes.
	That was the signal time for my predictions, going back to 1979, indicating that between 1998 and 2012 we would see a different world, both geophysically as well as spiritually.
	My hopes and thoughts were that as we become more aware as the awakening expands that we can alter the
	timeline, either modify it or reduce the events that I was seeing in the late 70s.
	So I was being prompted to try to complete a lifetime's work in a year and that was to
	release the future map of the world and also to complete my new book, Notes from the Cosmos,
	which summarized all those predictions and gives the warning signs and tells how and
	why things are going to happen.
	I was being driven by that.
	At the same time, stimulating all my intuitive senses, it created massive physical problems
	with me, headaches, not being able to sleep well.
	It wasn't until a good friend at the Edgar Cayce Foundation sent me a letter with a sampling
	of a reading done for Edgar Cayce where he was going through a similar thing and was
	told that if he did not stop or at least pace himself better that he would give up his life.
	He would literally die.
	Yes.
	He was unable to do so and he did die shortly thereafter and seeing that reading Do you know Daniel Brinkley?
	I needed to literally withdraw, take a year off, complete only the book project and not
	take on any new things.
	Slowly but surely over the past year I have gotten my vitality back and then about six
	weeks ago a new series of visions occurred which prompted me to contact you.
	Do you know Danny Brinkley?
	Do you know of him?
	No, I do not.
	He is a very gifted psychic.
	He was struck by lightning.
	Oh yes, okay, I am familiar with that.
	Now all of a sudden, click, click.
	Danny just had brain surgery.
	I went back to see him back east the other day.
	I spent a couple of days with him because he is in very critical condition.
	When he was struck by lightning, he...
	He, too, had visions, and I'm reminded of you because, and I think we ought to tell the audience your story a little bit, because so many of them will be unfamiliar with, you know, what happened to you, Gordon.
	But there was a traumatic event that caused the beginning of all of this for you so long ago, so if you can give us the short version of Gordon's beginning, Psychic Visions 101, that'd be great.
	How did it all begin for you?
	It began in 1979, living in Florida.
	Actually, at that time, I was living on a sailboat and having a consulting business on land in the communications field.
	And one day, in the middle of a presentation, my voice box locked up, and it was like somebody had removed my larynx.
	This was a very important business presentation for you.
	You were up talking to a bunch of There were educators who were about to purchase about a quarter of a million dollar video system for the school system of Florida.
	And you were presenting that whole system to them?
	Yeah, there were two of the people.
	I had been to several meetings, and this was the final meeting.
	This was the final presentation meeting.
	It was pretty much of a shoo-in.
	It was a case of just going through the final formality and the revenues from that particular sale would have enabled me to spend another six months sailing because I would go out sailing for six months and then come back and work for six months.
	Right in the middle of the key point of the presentation, my voice just stopped.
	It was like someone had gone in and surgically removed my throat, my larynx.
	There was no pain.
	But there was also no guttural sound.
	I couldn't force wind from my lungs, for example, to make a grunting sound at all.
	It must have scared the hell out of you.
	At first, it happened so fast, it was like no warning, that it was more of the look on the face of the purchasing agent.
	He turned white, and later I learned the reason is that just before that, a relative of his had had a stroke, and it was a very similar Effect where he reached for his throat and chest and then fell to his knees.
	And so, for him, I was replaying his worst nightmare.
	For me, I didn't know what was happening, but when I saw his face and him turning white in his reaction, then I panicked at that point.
	Then it scared you.
	I understand.
	So, there you were at the podium, not a word coming out.
	I take it they rushed you off to the hospital.
	They brought me to an emergency wing where an intern came out at the local hospital.
	They didn't rush me because it wasn't any kind of pain, but I could only write.
	So there was a period of five or ten minutes, perhaps, where they just sat me down, got me water, patted me on the back, rubbed my shoulders.
	They did call for emergency help.
	It took about seven minutes for them to get there.
	They did some really quick checks, looked at my eyes and breathing.
	By this time I was probably more numb than anything, just not really knowing what was going on.
	And with that, a half hour later I was in the emergency room of a local hospital with two or three people looking over at me and checking me out.
	So for the next hour they were asking me questions and I couldn't respond.
	Another doctor would come in and look at me.
	They did an EKG on me.
	They immediately took some blood work.
	They took an x-ray.
	They kept asking me, are you alright?
	I would write on a little piece of paper that I can't talk.
	I can't talk.
	What's happening?
	What's wrong?
	I felt that they were keeping something from me.
	Yes.
	But they didn't know what was wrong as it turned out.
	So they admitted me for it and said, look, we're going to run some tests for you and we're going to monitor you here and we're going to keep somebody here.
	So for the next hour or two, I had people right with me and nothing had changed.
	And so then probably around 10 o'clock or so, 10 p.m., they checked me into a room and I was in a room by myself.
	And again, there were still some people there.
	They finally came in and the doctor came in and said, look, we're going to run a whole series of tests.
	We're going to monitor you very closely here.
	And then they left.
	And so I was sitting in there.
	By this time, I had calmed myself down.
	And the input I was getting from them is that they were going to have to run some tests.
	But I was hearing words like, have you been stressed?
	Do you have any?
	Have you had headaches?
	The kind of phrases I was hearing between the doctors talking either with me or about me seemed to indicate to me that they were saying that this was more of a mental thing rather than a physical thing.
	That was the sense I was getting.
	I had gone through the fact that I don't think it was a stroke.
	I didn't feel it was a stroke.
	Um, but they were all pointing to psychological things, because the questions kept coming up about that.
	You know, are you taking drugs?
	Are you, uh, do you drink?
	Do you, are you stressed?
	Um, is there anything in your life that's a problem right now?
	Anything you want to tell us?
	Nothing like this had ever happened before.
	Never.
	Never.
	I was, um, you know, I don't know if you've been sailing, but, um, I had a 30-foot sailboat, and, um, it's just a beautiful experience.
	It's the most, stress free experience that I can think about.
	I was there a month at a time sailing to different islands and I didn't lack for anything at
	all.
	There was nothing that I could think of in my life that was wrong but I sure was reflecting
	very heavily that night while I was in the hospital.
	I was writing notes down because I said I know in the morning that I'm going to be talking
	to some doctors and I better write down all the things I'm thinking about and maybe help
	them and I'm kind of using my...
	My technical background.
	And then, you know, then it really started about 11, 1130 at night.
	That's when the phenomena really started.
	Which was?
	I was watching the news, local news, waiting for Johnny Carson to come on.
	And just as that big man got out and said, here's Johnny, at that moment, the room itself kind of lit up.
	There were sparks and glows of light.
	I describe it in some great detail in my book, but as a capsule of it, it was more of cyan
	lights, and these were purplish in color, coming out of the doorway.
	So in the room on the right-hand side, there is a glass door where the nurses and doctors
	enter and exit and get.
	And so I assumed that there was some kind of equipment out in the hall that was showing
	this light in.
	But as I was looking at this light, the light got brighter and brighter and brighter, and finally, the light was so bright that I could not see the door.
	At this point, I still think it's coming from the door.
	But all of a sudden, I look up, and now the room is a mass of a rainbow of colors, and the colors are like a mist and a fog, and they're moving, and all of a sudden, out of this mist, I start seeing pictures.
	Strange symbols, almost hieroglyphic.
	And it was like watching 3D holographic images, because there were multiple scenes, and wherever I would look in the room, I would see a different scene.
	And at this stage, it's happening so fast that I am not fearful of this, but I have no idea what's going on, and I'm still thinking it's some kind of a phenomena.
	But it's so fascinating what I'm seeing.
	My consciousness doesn't lock in and say, wait a second, where is this coming from?
	Is this in my head, or is this really happening?
	And just as I'm thinking that, a woman's face appears out of this mist, which is at the end of my bed.
	This is an elderly woman, perhaps in her 70s.
	Looks like a school teacher.
	I might have had one when I was in first grade.
	Had this silvery hair, and her lips are moving, and she's saying things.
	But I cannot hear her.
	At the same time I'm seeing her face, I'm seeing images now of ancient cities, and I'm seeing images of cities that seem to be in some form of disarray.
	I recognize some of the cities being New York and Los Angeles, and I catch those, but the rest of the cities, I'm not sure where they are.
	But they're in some form of disarray.
	I see buildings that are crumbled, and I also see images of strange flying craft and I see comets in the sky.
	Images are just non-stop.
	It's like an arcade where all these machines are going off.
	Finally, in my inner hearing, I hear what she's saying.
	She says to me, what you're experiencing now is you've entered the time stream.
	You are now a dream voyager.
	You are seeing clips of the past and the probable future.
	Remember these.
	She said a lot of other things and I took notes down from what she said.
	Some of the things that she said, she said some of these things will happen very soon.
	Other things won't happen until you get into the year 1985.
	Then in South America there will be an event in Mexico City that will start things going
	and it will change the world.
	Then 1998 will be a year where the greatest experiences that the planet has ever seen
	will occur.
	And remember these events.
	And this continued for 30 minutes exactly.
	At 12 o'clock when they went to break all the images disappeared as if somebody had
	turned a switch and went away.
	And I take it you could monitor that or know that because there was a clock or because
	Johnny Carson went to break at midnight.
	Correct.
	At that point, did your voice return?
	No.
	I still didn't have it, but I never thought about my voice until the images stopped.
	There was a point in that scenario that was going on where I panicked, dug my heels in, I backed up in the bed in kind of a terror.
	Then I had two IV bottles, one in each arm.
	They began swinging.
	As I went to reach for one, the nurse's call button fell on the floor.
	I had stabilized the two IV bottles.
	I got through the event by thinking, I know what this is.
	This is the chemical they have in the IV bottles.
	This is what they are giving me and I'm having a reaction to it.
	Sure.
	That's how I got through that time period.
	My voice was still gone.
	I then went to bed perhaps 20 minutes later, woke up in the morning and immediately said,
	wow, what a dream.
	What an effect.
	I remember it was the drug.
	I'm having a chemical reaction.
	Sure.
	Then I looked over at my notepad and here it was.
	I had pages of notes about the event.
	I said, oh God.
	I said, this wasn't a dream.
	This is a hallucination.
	with that the nurse came in and she says, gee, so I...
	How are you doing, Mr. Skalyan?
	I answered her with a clear voice.
	She looked at the chart and said, I thought you couldn't speak.
	I said, I was dumbfounded.
	I just said, I guess I'm okay.
	Can I leave now?
	I just wanted to go.
	She said, well the doctor will be in here real soon and he'll check you out.
	So he came in and I proceeded to talk to him.
	I said, by the way, what was in those IVs?
	He said, well you came in and you were very dehydrated.
	We had to give you glucose.
	So there was nothing in there.
	And then I really sank.
	My stomach just sank because I then felt that there was something really mentally going on with me.
	And then he said, we're going to give you some tests today and then I might have you see a specialist.
	I think he said the word specialist.
	The bell that went off in my head was not an eye, ears and nose specialist.
	He was really talking about a psychiatrist.
	I went through all the tests and at the end they said we can't find anything but we're going to suggest that you go see this doctor who indeed was a psychiatrist.
	So I was checked out of the hospital and when I went out of the hospital, midday sometimes, I looked outside and everything looked different.
	The colors that I saw were different and I was seeing colors around people.
	Forests?
	Yeah.
	I didn't know what they were at the time.
	First thing I saw was this dog.
	I remember clearly it was an Irish Setter dog playing with its owner.
	And I could see the different colors.
	And so I went back in the hospital.
	I said, wait a second.
	I said, I can't drive.
	I said, I know I had told my voice.
	I said, but now I've got told my eyes.
	I said, you hear me?
	I can't drive.
	And I was almost getting panicky.
	So they sent me to another place.
	I had to wait another couple of hours.
	They gave me an eye exam.
	They said there was nothing wrong with my eyes other than I was a little nearsighted.
	And then they said, look, you really need to see this other doctor.
	So I went out and I did see the doctor and he said, well, we are going to have to spend
	some time with you here on this.
	So I began a series of sessions and after the second session I knew that this was not
	a path that I wanted to go on exploring because he was in total denial of what I was saying.
	I said, I think we should look at these notes.
	Oh, of course.
	It's going to be the very last thing that he's going to think.
	Gordon, we're at the bottom of the hour, so hang tight.
	We'll be right back.
	My guest is Gordon Michael Scullion from New Hampshire.
	And we'll be back in a moment.
	There's a lot ahead.
	Stay right where you are.
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	Alright, back now to Gordon Michael Skye in New Hampshire.
	So, anyway, Gordon, and I spoke to you for a second during the break about Daniel Brinkley.
	He had visions very similar to yours.
	As a matter of fact, he regarded them as sort of a half-curse, half-blessing, as much of a curse as a blessing at times, so overwhelming.
	Uh, he would literally hear what people were thinking, uh, see visions, uh, he was unable to stop them or moderate them, particularly, uh, shortly after the incident.
	And the incident, though different, is very much like yours, extreme trauma.
	And, uh, I, uh, Daniel lies close to death in a hospital bed, uh, this morning, and you don't.
	You moderated yourself somehow, and if he lives through this, he's going to have to learn to do the same thing, or he's not going to make it.
	Uh, would you have any advice for somebody like that?
	It's a hard thing.
	Reading Edgar Cayce's source reading on this particular subject gave me great courage to do something different, something that Edgar was unable to do at the time.
	When you're seeing things that are affecting not only people you know, but people you don't know and then on a planetary scale seeing
	things.
	It acts as an incredible responsibility unless you try to go into denial, which I did do
	for a couple of years.
	But once you look at this, you have a choice.
	The choice is that you can probably go into drinking or go into drugs.
	Do whatever you can to stop these events.
	Did you try that, by the way?
	No, I didn't.
	I've never been able to do either of those things.
	As soon as this event happened to me, 24 hours later, my whole diet changed.
	I wasn't able to eat or drink or do any of the things that I would have done, even socially.
	So it's like something altered my whole Make-up, my whole cellular structure began to change immediately.
	It proceeded that way for almost a year with constant changes, especially in my sensory abilities, to sense things and to smell.
	All of my senses were heightened, plus senses that I didn't even know I had.
	When you start looking at all that stuff, you start getting this kind of material, then You want to do something.
	It's like you have a vision and you're seeing a train wreck, for example.
	Your first impulse is denial.
	This is not going to happen.
	This is just some kind of fantasy.
	Then if you allow the event to happen, as in my case, I allowed several events to happen before I did anything about it, then you feel this deep guilt and remorse for not having taken some kind of an action.
	In my particular case, I grew up with a very strong Catholicism background, and church was a daily experience for me growing up.
	So I began to search for things in my background that would explain this to me.
	Everything from the devil on one side to God on the other side.
	I swung the pendulum back and forth.
	What about your own sanity?
	Did you question it yourself?
	The first three months of the experience, the doctors I had visited pretty much convinced
	me that there was a loose cog and that I had a problem.
	The only thing that kept me at least from making that commitment to them, they were
	suggesting that maybe we should go on some kind of medication.
	I'm saying, there really is nothing that is wrong with me.
	I just want you to look at these notes.
	They would never want to look at those notes.
	I would look at them, and then I would see events happening, and I would say, look, I told you to look at the notes.
	Look at this.
	This happened.
	They said, that's not the issue.
	We really need to go back in your life.
	So finally, after three months of that, I said, this is not going to work.
	I need to explore someplace else, and I decided to put my technical hat on, and literally Do my own research work, and I spent the next year and a half exploring alternatives.
	I started reading and visiting alternative practitioners.
	Finally, I did get somebody who was willing to look at those notes, a very gifted dream analyst.
	It was suggested that perhaps I was having just dreams.
	Perhaps these were like daydreams.
	So we began dream journal work, and then one day she came.
	She was an MD first.
	She was a psychiatrist, but she was also a dream analyst.
	One day she said, tell me about your dream.
	I told her this very detailed dream.
	She said, well, let's try something new now.
	She said, why don't you tell me what the dream means.
	I said, well, I don't know how to do that.
	She said, just do it.
	Within the next half hour, what I thought was a half hour, I analyzed the dream.
	It turned out it was several hours.
	She never said a word.
	She said, I don't know where this is coming from.
	Not only is it the way I would have approached it, but you've uncovered things that I would not have even thought about.
	She said, let me work with these notes.
	That was my first encouragement.
	It was another realm to the world of mind, that mind was more than we think it is.
	That was my first ray of hope.
	Now my next path was...
	what am i going to do with the information that i'm seeing especially
	these things are going to come up in nineteen eighty five and my next date with nineteen eighty nine
	and then the magic
	year nineteen ninety eight uh... you still you know it's entirely possible
	that you did suffer a physical brain trauma that they didn't pick up on uh...
	If there's anything they don't know a whole lot about, it's our brain.
	And you may not have had a stroke in the classic sense, but I'm sure you have not ruled out the possibility that there was some physical, actual physical change that occurred in your brain at that moment.
	It's totally possible, because I know that at that time, I didn't go through an endocrinologist.
	There was no CAT scan, there were no x-rays, there were blood work-ups, things like that.
	There were no normal tests that they would do.
	Anything was possible.
	In fact, in the early days, it would have been a preferable answer for me.
	I could have accepted almost anything that was a physical thing going on that would have made my life a whole lot easier because I could have hung on to
	something.
	I could say, okay, maybe they can fix this thing.
	But then they were saying it was my mind.
	Then the question is how do you fix a mind?
	They are saying years and years of therapy.
	Sure.
	Therapy, of course.
	Very expensive, too.
	I went through all of my savings in about a year.
	Oh, you did?
	Oh, yeah.
	It was thousands upon thousands of dollars that I had spent.
	Then I began liquidating things so that I could explore the alternative.
	I wasn't able to work, because while the visions happened that night, they didn't happen again until perhaps another, oh, maybe it was six months to a year after that point when they returned.
	But they would return in flashes, and then over the next, by up to 1982, These flashes then emerged where I was seeing something very similar to what I was seeing in the hospital.
	So it was like I had this massive release of energy.
	Then over the next several years, very slowly, little things would happen and I would see a fragment of a vision.
	Then after several months, the fragments would kind of string together a few seconds long.
	Then by 1982, the same thing that was happening in the hospital was happening Well, that's what I was going to ask.
	Was there any way to control it, or did it just come on irresistibly without any way to lessen it or stop it?
	with is there a way of controlling this because it got to the point where I couldn't drive.
	Well that's what I was going to ask.
	Was there any way to control it or did it just come on irresistibly without any way
	to lessen it or stop it or in other words totally uncontrollable?
	Uncontrollable.
	Up until 1982, it would just happen at the most unopportune times.
	It would just happen.
	Then in 1982, through the meeting of a doctor, two gentlemen came to see me.
	I didn't know at the time, but one of them was a doctor.
	These were men in their late 60s or 70s.
	I was just in business suits and they sought me out and said that they were given my name.
	I kept saying, well, who gave you my name?
	Nobody knows who I am or where I am.
	They said, well, we know that you can do things.
	We know that you can communicate with spirit.
	I said, I have no idea what you are talking about because I didn't know the language.
	I only knew that I was having these experiences and I certainly wasn't telling anybody about
	it.
	My family knew nothing about this, nor did anybody.
	The only people who knew anything about this up until 82 were people who were paying money
	to.
	The physicians, the practitioners, and the counselors.
	He kept encouraging me and he probably was the catalyst for developing a kind of control because he sat down with me and he said, look it, my friend here has got a problem.
	He said, I know if you just hold his hand and you do this and this and this, you'll be able...
	I had no idea what he was talking about and I really just wanted them to leave.
	One of the men looked just so tired and frail and the other one had so much compassion that neither of them represented a threat to me.
	It's just that my own personal ego was being shaken, the thought that somehow I could help somebody.
	Well, I was at the point where I said, I'm seeing things that I can't control.
	I can't stop.
	I can't help myself.
	I certainly can't help anyone else.
	Sure.
	And through his prodding, over the next half hour or so, I was able to turn a vision on that would indicate something that was functional for him.
	And it was my first medical Edgar Cayce-style diagnostics.
	And then we learned how to, over a period of the next several months, We learned how to induce deep hypnotic trance states where
	the creator of all of this imagery that I get resides.
	It was there that we were able to do so.
	To me it was, I can't save the world but maybe I can make a difference in a few people's
	lives.
	Then we did well over 10,000 of these sessions between 1982 up until 1991.
	What did you perceive was wrong with that man?
	I kept seeing pools of mercury and vessels of mercury, and I kept seeing visions of a laboratory, which I assume was a dental laboratory because it had teeth on it.
	As it turns out, he was a technician who had worked in this laboratory in New England City for thirty-some years.
	What he had developed was some form of a mercury poisoning.
	The exposure to this over time was actually causing him to die.
	He had been to doctors.
	He had been everywhere.
	They simply said that you've got some kind of a problem with your immune system that we can't, we don't understand what it is and we don't know what it's about.
	And his friend who brought this man kept saying, my friend here is dying.
	And so when I said mercury and I said the teeth and I said, and he said, well, now he says, what can we do about it?
	And then my next series of visions showed different things that he could take and it It was mostly herbs and there were two or three items that I didn't even know what the names were.
	He wrote them down and he left on the way out of the door.
	I said, you really need to go see a doctor.
	You don't need someone like me.
	I said, I don't know what I'm talking about.
	He looked at me and he put his hand on my shoulder and patted me lovingly.
	He said, son, I am a doctor.
	And then you did, how many of these between 82 and 89?
	He said, he was scared, and he said, thank you.
	He said, we're going touring.
	We're taking the rest of our life off.
	They went off to Europe.
	That was the last I saw of them.
	Then you did how many of these between 82 and 89?
	We were doing about six a day, seven days a week between 82 and 91.
	And then there were some larger groups that we did like once a month we do a very...
	No.
	In fact, there were some benefits to me.
	and we would go around the room for a one question kind of response.
	I was limited to no more than about 45 minutes in an altered state.
	I was going to ask, even then, was it taking a physical toll then?
	No.
	No.
	In fact, there were some benefits to me.
	At that time I was sleeping better.
	The headaches went away.
	The daily headaches from 1979, that first experience, up until the time I started working with people, the main pressure headaches went away and my health just rebounded.
	And I was warned at the time that I should limit this, but the list would get longer and longer.
	Hard to refuse.
	Yeah, and then by 89, I had totally exceeded, by 100%, what my inner guidance had very specifically said to do on this thing.
	It said certain times of the month that I shouldn't do it, certain times of the year with certain key lunar and solstices, I shouldn't do it.
	There was a whole regimen that I should do, certain things I should eat.
	I just wasn't following that.
	By 1989, I started really noticing changes.
	By 1991, I had an abrupt change.
	It was like everything came to a halt.
	It was like I couldn't stop.
	Some part of my consciousness simply said, that work is through.
	This is your next amount of work.
	Those stopped and instead of seeing individuals, I only saw The Earth as a living entity, and I began seeing the same kind of physical problems with people I was seeing on the Earth.
	This was like a whole new thing to me.
	With people, there's a possibility for change.
	If somebody comes, if you can say, you know, just stop eating this and your headaches will go away, or stop thinking this and your headaches will go away.
	That's something you can control.
	You look at something, the scale of the Earth.
	And the warning signs that were talked about by the time we got to the mid to late 90's
	that the oceans were going to boil, the oceans were going to exceed and the Antarctic was
	going to start melting and the Caribbean would become active with volcanoes and the Philippines.
	There were all these things.
	It was like, how do you fix that?
	How do you do that?
	I didn't know how to do that.
	I just didn't know.
	I was overwhelmed.
	I felt like I had gone back to the day after I had lost my voice.
	That took me up to 1991 at that point.
	At that point a whole new series of visions occurred about what we could do then and every year.
	Other things we could do right up into the year 1998.
	All right.
	That's a good place to break.
	It'll be a good long break, so relax, and when we get back, we'll get into the meat of this.
	Gordon Michael Scullion is my guest, and I have long said, if there is a real McCoy, then you are listening to the real McCoy.
	That's Gordon Michael Scullion.
	I think that's what I said the last time I had him on.
	He'll be back after the top of the hour.
	We'll be joined then by Los Angeles and I will give you a warning now that what you are about to hear you may find very disturbing.
	If you have children listening, I would suggest you exercise your own parental judgment and control and possibly have them leave the room.
	And as a matter of fact, even you, if you're disturbed, twist the dial.
	From the high desert, this is Coast to Coast AM.
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	The night featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 19, 1997.
	to Art Bell somewhere in time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 19, 1997.
	My guest is Gordon Michael Scallion.
	It's been a long time since we've heard from him.
	And, uh, we'll get back to him in a moment.
	And it's gonna get pretty serious, so... The eternal warning.
	This is serious stuff coming up.
	It may disturb some people.
	If you're disturbed by this sort of thing, please tune out.
	please get children out of the room.
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	Now we take you back to the night of September 9th.
	November 19, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Alright, Gordon Michael Scullion has told us pretty much the story of how his psychic
	ability began, how his intuitive sense began, with a A physical, what I believe to have been a physical change in his brain, where he literally lost his voice.
	Then, over a period of years, began to have the ability to diagnose medical problems in people.
	He saw auras.
	I'm remembering, Gordon, a couple of other things you said.
	You said there was a period when you saw, in the colors, geometric shapes.
	Do you recall that?
	Yeah.
	The whole experience in the hospital was 30 minutes, and I go into some detail and notes from the cosmos describing that, but in essence, you're right.
	There were shapes.
	There were formulas.
	There were some symbols I understood.
	There were other shapes, not just triangles, but there were dimensional shapes like pyramids back-to-back.
	I don't know.
	or a triad back to back.
	It was almost as if this was some kind of a language, is what I felt it was at the time.
	Later learned that's exactly what it was.
	I was literally being awoken to happen into the universal consciousness where language
	is not as we know it necessarily.
	Language can be mathematics, it can be color, it can be sound, it can be anything.
	I was being shown all of that as a preparation work.
	We rush forward now to the 90s and then I remember in one of our old interviews that
	you said you began to see things, a good analogy would be that there would be three television
	screens, one on each side, one in the center.
	And that one would be brighter than the other with regard, when you begin to see whole earth visions, one would be brighter than the other or more likely to occur than the other two.
	Not ruling out the other two, but the one that was brightest with the most contrast in color would be the one that would be the most likely path that would occur unless something intervenes, some change occurred.
	Is that about right?
	That's exactly right.
	And the fidelity of the color would indicate something to me. The grayness of the color
	would indicate something entirely different. The brighter the colors, the more intense the
	colors, the sharper the images, that was the most probable reality. The grays, the washed
	out colors would indicate that they were, that was not going to be the path. It was always
	three. I never saw two. I never saw one. It was always three. You always interpreted those
	to be possibilities.
	Yes, it was like looking at if the path continues this way.
	Like if I looked at somebody back in those days and I saw a grayness to them, it would
	indicate to me that if you don't change then the outcome is going to be this, which you will
	get sick and maybe even pass I can see that person a month later and look at those visions again and they may change.
	With individuals, they had a lot of control over their life.
	That's when I learned that nothing is predestined.
	It's only when the collective consciousness decides something or the individual consciousness decides something that determines what we might call fate.
	Alright, well I recall a series of visions that you had, that of course I've got to ask you about, and we were talking then about earth changes with regard to earthquakes and tectonic movement, and you were talking about the Ring of Fire then, and you were predicting at that time that if a series of four earthquakes, I believe, occurred four times, They would begin a cataclysmic event on the west coast, culminating in a series of increasingly large earthquakes that would be the beginning of the earth change map that you were talking about.
	And I recall, Gordon, distinctly, that we went through those four earthquake cycles, I think twice or even almost three times.
	Almost three times, and it did not quite complete.
	You're right.
	It was a four quake scenario.
	There were four.
	There were a total of twelve scenarios.
	Twelve possibilities.
	Ten of the twelve occurred.
	Two did not.
	The magnitude releases on the last cycle I predicted would exceed eight.
	And they fell short.
	They fell down into the six range.
	And they never reached it.
	So the very last cycle It didn't happen, and so for me it was a relief.
	It was like, okay, we've bought some more time.
	Something had changed in the scenario, and maybe that change was the earth healers that were out there, the groups that were out there.
	Everywhere I look I can see consciousness increasing.
	I can see this, as you call it, quickening.
	I can see this all happening every day.
	I see the best of both worlds happening.
	I feel like we're in a polarized planet now, where there's one group that's striving for the best and the wholeness, the oneness, and then the old guard, which is still holding on to power and control.
	It's almost like this battle is going on right now.
	About six weeks ago, you had a new series of visions, and I guess we should get to those.
	What happened?
	We need to back up just a tad on that.
	Set this up so that it can be understood.
	A year ago, when I decided that I had to withdraw, I had to really take care of my health.
	The headaches were returning again like they were in the late 70's.
	It really scared me.
	At this stage, I knew what was going on.
	Back then, I didn't know.
	I canceled all of my conferences and things that I was doing.
	My inner guidance was that what I really needed to do was to not do anything for a year.
	In the process of that year of not doing anything, I began to see a series of visions of the time period of 1998 to 2012.
	These were nothing new that I hadn't already published, but I was beginning to see the timeline more specifically.
	That was something new.
	The timeline was always kind of broad.
	Everything up until 1998 was warning signs that I was given.
	Watch for these warning signs.
	Then from 1998 to 2012 was when I saw new maps of the world with a high probability that by the turn of the century here we would see some of the major ones occurring.
	I began to take the very specifics of what I was seeing.
	And I decided that the last thing that I wanted to complete in my life, and I said, if this thing doesn't get better, if these headaches don't go away, if I've done everything I needed to do and it's time for me to work at another level, so be it.
	But I decided that what I really needed to do was to put it down in writing.
	So I spent that year, I spent up until six weeks ago.
	Writing that down and completing it, and I put it all in a book, which I titled Notes from the Cosmos, and it explained the things we talked about tonight, but it also explained the mechanisms.
	And specifically, in the past six weeks, the mechanisms that... One of the things that was really loud and clear before the six-week time period was that there were indications that instead of being on the outset Like, let's say this thing might happen in 2005 or 2010 or maybe 2012, like some of the Maya Calendar predictions.
	I was seeing a timeline that indicated that it moved up substantially.
	It moved up to the time period of 1998 to 1999, within a 12-month time period.
	And that really disturbed me, because I was hopeful that there was a shift and that this thing was going to be much later.
	I was told six weeks ago to watch for the following things to happen.
	As you know, we've talked about this before, I had predicted that El Ninos would return and they would stay longer and be more severe.
	And also, the Caribbean was one of the areas that we really had to watch for.
	I remember you said watch Montserrat.
	Um, and so back in, uh, in 93, when we were mourning about, um, in 94, about to watch the Caribbean, watch Mount Surat, uh, and also watch the Pacific, and watch Antarctica for a melting.
	Yes.
	Those were, those were more things to watch for, and those were like the final things.
	Like, in my visions, there was nothing else after that.
	In other words, it's like, throughout the 80s, I would always Get the next stage and then I can say, okay, watch for these things and then the next stage will start.
	Well, six weeks ago I released my book, End of Visions, Ended.
	In other words, there were no more.
	There was nothing further to come, which to me was saying that the three visions that I would see, the colorful one that would be the most probable reality, Well, all of a sudden, there was only one.
	The other two had gone.
	Had gone altogether?
	Entirely.
	And that's something that is not part of my belief system, because I believe, and always believe, that even at the eleventh hour, we can bring a vision back.
	And I still believe that that's possible.
	But I can only state what I see.
	As a futurist, my function is to state what I see and don't color it.
	It lives by what I publish.
	You put it out there.
	You don't manipulate it.
	You simply state what it is.
	Some people will get angry about it.
	Other people will say, how can we change it?
	And other people won't believe it.
	Do you think that the fact that you're only seeing one vision now indicates that the other probabilities have faded to the point that there's very little chance they will occur?
	Unfortunately, Every day I wrestle with that.
	I fight with that.
	My sense is, and the fact that I'm not seeing anything further after that point.
	I mean, they're totally gone.
	Any further visions about these things, it just tells me that we are very, very close now.
	And the reality was that the things that I published last year and this year, and actually some of these back ten years ago, All funneled into this end of 1997, which was like a critical threshold year to watch for.
	The big thing was, what was causing all this stuff?
	Why are these things happening, and why now only one vision?
	The last vision that I saw, six weeks ago, was a deep trans-vision.
	We hadn't done these for years, literally.
	Because I haven't had to.
	It's been more of a case where I could sit at my word processor and I would simply enter the collective stream and it was easy.
	But we decided six weeks ago, because of a series of dreams, to do one of these deep trance sessions that we used to do back in the 80s.
	Cynthia, my wife, was the conductor.
	In it, we had specific questions.
	Do you want to know about my health?
	Was it getting better?
	The answer was yes, that I was out of the woods, that I had done the right thing, that it was hard to do, but it was the right thing to do.
	Then she asked another question.
	It wasn't planned that she was going to ask this question.
	It was really planned about my health.
	She said, is there anything you can tell us that we should tell people, or anything that would be of importance to anything, to anybody?
	That an event had happened, and this would have been mid-July, and it said, and it sets into motion a change now that will unfold.
	In other words, it wasn't saying that things might be different, it was saying that something happened.
	Something happened around the 15th, 16th of July, and that time frame would take a few days, set into motion a whole bunch of things.
	And then she said, well, what is that?
	And Mike Trantzor said, the poles have shifted.
	Have shifted?
	Have.
	That there had been a shift internal to the core of the earth.
	The internal core of the earth relative to the outer mantle had shifted.
	It said, this is the third one.
	One had happened between the years of 1934 and 1936.
	The second one happened between 78 and 80, all being very minor in nature.
	But they said that the one in July would be considered twice as much of a shift.
	And it said that that would then do the following.
	It said that you would see a massive melt-off would begin to occur.
	The water temperatures would rise substantially.
	Now, we already had predicted That we would see a major El Nino return, so that wasn't surprising, but it said that we would be looking at double-digit increases in the ocean, and that it would follow by magnetic devices failing, especially things that control things that would be in the atmosphere, particularly the higher atmosphere.
	satellites aircraft that there would be various radiations that would come out as high pulses
	only for a millisecond or two milliseconds would be released but if an object like a
	satellite or an airplane was in the vicinity they would and anything was stressed on the
	electronic circuitry that you would start to see failure.
	So we would start seeing those kind of communications breakdowns, airplane breakdowns, things of
	Can I stop you for a second and tell you something, Gordon?
	Last week while broadcasting, a particularly unusual call, I lost my... a very strange thing.
	I've got a satellite KU band up link here.
	You're a ham, so you know what I'm talking about.
	I went in there, I got a call from the network saying you're off the air.
	I said, all right, let me go check.
	Panicked, of course, and I ran in the other room, and I looked, and every sink light on my transmitter was out.
	And I told the network, my transmitter is dead as a doornail.
	It has internally hemorrhaged and died.
	Something is really gone.
	I mean, it's just flat off the air.
	And they checked my modem, and sure enough, they agreed with me.
	At the network, my transmitter was dead.
	It turned out, Gordon, that GE Americom in New Jersey, and we're on a brand new satellite, GE1, right now as we speak, we're on GE1.
	According to GE Americom, it had lost earth lock for some unknown reason, and 50 of 200 channels had simply gone off the air.
	It is still an insufficient explanation as far as we are concerned, but in all the years of my broadcasting, I have never seen anything like this occur.
	In other words, my transmitter was showing it was dead because it was no longer seeing a satellite.
	The satellite, virtually, had turned or lost earth lock or had received some kind of pulse and went away, Gordon, for about 45 minutes.
	Gone.
	Is that the kind of failure you're talking about?
	It could be.
	Like you, I have a technical background, so I tend to look for the very obvious things that would fail, you know, such as a human error.
	You know, so phenomena in electronics only means that you haven't found the circuit that's failed or the problem.
	However, what I did see and what I believe is that these pulses that are going out, any system that is stressed, I mean, most electronic things work very reliably today.
	Transistors will last for a long time period.
	But a lot of parts, a lot of components in a satellite or an airplane, there's literally thousands and thousands of components.
	And many of those components are working, but they're barely working.
	In other words, they're maybe out of tolerance, but they still work because of the design.
	But you put a stress on them, like heat or magnetic disturbances, And poof.
	Or energy waves that at least the public is not aware of.
	And you subject them to those things, then you get these failures.
	That's what I think we've been seeing all week with these crashes.
	Military crashes, more military crashes than we've seen in years.
	And it could be something that may have happened with your satellite, or it could be something very logical like a human error.
	But the coincidences today, statistically, are such That we have to question that something else is going on.
	I am totally amazed.
	I'm amazed that we're looking at the news at night and we're seeing 10, 12 degrees.
	Yeah, we'll pick up on that.
	We're at the bottom of the air.
	I've got to break.
	So, we'll be right back.
	Gordon Michael Skyen is my guest and we will be back.
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	Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 19, 1997.
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	My guest is Gordon Michael Scallion.
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	Now we take you back to the night of September 19th, 1997 on Art Bell's Somewhere in Time.
	Since we last talked to Gordon Michael Scallion a year ago, the Monserrate volcano has erupted violently several times.
	Scientists are now talking about the possibility of a catastrophic eruption on Montserrat.
	There is an evacuation underway.
	The Larsen Ice Shelf in the Antarctic is, scientists assure us, about to crack off, literally crack off, and fall into the ocean.
	What are temperatures off the West Coast?
	I read to you the latest from NASA here a little while ago.
	They have just done some recent measurements and they are finding now that the size of the El Nino is roughly one and one-half times the size of the entire continental US.
	That's according to NASA on Monday.
	In addition, in the Antarctic, we're finding now changes in the DNA of simple-celled creatures.
	Actual genetic change.
	We have a lot of frogs and other creatures that are exhibiting terrible malformations.
	We have Fisteria off the east coast of the U.S.
	as far north as Maryland.
	Which is beginning to give fish open bleeding sores and now human beings the same thing.
	So much of what you have said is coming, Gordon, is not in the future, but it is beginning to occur right now.
	Your view of the El Nino, I think, is somewhat different than the normal four-year cyclical view of El Nino.
	Is that correct?
	Yes, I believe it is a pattern, but Typically El Nino used to appear around Christmas time, thus the name El Nino, and it would only last for a short time period, and then the cycle would go on.
	I believe that the cycle is triggered by planetary influences, specifically Mars and Uranus.
	I think that they are the forces, kind of like a flywheel that hits the planet, and if conditions are in a certain way, it causes Disturbances in the core.
	If you watch all the television shows and go to all the websites and see everything about El Nino, you won't find what the cause of it is.
	You'll see some speculation from time to time that it's global warming.
	So if you're in the global warming camp, this is another sign that says, you know, we have failed as a society, and therefore we're paying the price for it.
	And while I believe that Global warming is a major problem.
	I don't believe it is the root cause of it.
	The root cause, I believe, is there has been a disturbance to the core of the Earth, and that disturbance has displaced magma, and the magma, wherever it's the thinnest, which is typically at the ocean's depth, breaks through, and the heat wants to get out, and so it's going to move up through the ground or the water.
	It's also Have undersea conduits that can travel for thousands of miles.
	And at the same time, it accentuates the stability of the Earth.
	So what we're seeing is magma being disturbed, being forced to the surfaces.
	And all of this is part of a pole shift, which I believe has already begun.
	It's not something that's going to happen someday.
	It's already begun.
	There will eventually be It's interesting you mentioned July 15th and 16th.
	You're a ham.
	We had a pole shift, but in life it doesn't happen that way.
	There's always a beginning to things that are happening.
	It builds up a crescendo and then something happens and that's when we recognize it.
	Of course, we're seeing the precursor activity right now with Del Nino.
	It's interesting you mentioned July 15th and 16th.
	You're a ham.
	Have you been active in the last year or two?
	Unfortunately, the past year I have not.
	I don't think I've been on a half a dozen times.
	I've spent so much time trying to complete the book that I have not.
	I understand.
	Here's the reason I ask.
	We have been at a low point in the solar cycle.
	About July, middle of July, Gordon, that began to change.
	They detected in July, I believe, a polarity shift in the sunspots.
	And we began to climb, finally.
	We're now over 100, the last time I checked solar count.
	And I wonder if there could be any relationship to that change on the sun and what might be going on with the Earth.
	I'm just looking for this passage that I wrote.
	In it, what I explain is that the triggering effect for the pole shift will occur as the polarity of the sun adjusts itself.
	Really?
	This is in my book, Notes on the Cosmos, and I said when that occurs, the reaction almost
	immediately will be magnetic disturbances and instability in the earth.
	So, you know, it's, well, this is part of the progressional cycle.
	The driving forces behind all of this is natural cycles.
	The Earth going through precession.
	It's a 23,000 to 26,000 year cycle that it moves through.
	And when it does, every time the precession cycle gets at the far extremes, we have an altering of the magnetic field, and it begins on the Sun.
	The Sun being the most powerful presence we have.
	The moon is closer, but the sun is obviously the power generator, and this is the cause of these things, I believe.
	What do you think is going to happen?
	In other words, so far, we see these incredible temperature builds, 10 to 12 degrees.
	They're beginning to catch fish up in the state of Washington.
	They ought not ever catch there.
	They're seeing tropical fish around the Golden Gate Bridge.
	Even in the Atlantic, tropical fish are moving into the North Atlantic.
	I mean, there's some really weird stuff beginning to occur.
	Where is it going?
	We're going to see... This is not going to slow down or stop at all.
	It's going to accelerate.
	In fact, when we get into December, we're going to see some massive things.
	Starting this month, we're going to see massive winds.
	Um, you know, we've been seeing, you know, tornados in strange places, but we're going to see a lot more of that.
	And we're going to see the jet stream is going to be altered as a result of all this.
	We're going to see a lot of magnetic instability.
	And then it's going to culminate in, uh, anything that's stressed on the planet, which is, you know, tectonic areas, you know, the, the West Coast, anywhere in the ring of fire, you know, which runs right up, of course, the San Andreas, California up to Alaska.
	We're going to see anything that's already stressed.
	They're going to be the first to release itself.
	I've been waiting for activities to occur in Italy.
	There's been a lot of small, multiple quakes, but nothing of significant release that would concern me.
	Mount Surat does concern me.
	It concerns me because It tells me that the disturbances, or the two areas that I said to watch for, which was the Antarctica and the Caribbean, those are now active.
	So it tells me that we have entered the final stages.
	And it will culminate in these poles, the magnetic poles, deviating or changing.
	And this will happen abruptly, a series of stages.
	Six or seven degrees for each of these stages.
	In a westerly movement, so if you were looking at your compass in real time, you would see the needle literally changing from a north direction more towards westerly.
	and it would do this about three times so that your compass, if you're somewhere in, say, latitude 40 degrees in our
	northern hemisphere, you would see the compass pointing more towards Hawaii, in
	that direction.
	And it will alter weather immediately.
	Weather patterns will change in a matter of minutes, hours at the outset.
	So where it's been cold, it will be warm.
	One of the things that the last visions that I saw was I saw in very fast time
	the complete melt-off of the Antarctic.
	And I could see land, and I could see not only could I see land,
	but I could see structures.
	They were old, old, they reminded me of Celtic structures.
	And I could actually see them.
	And then I watched the ocean levels just rising very rapidly.
	Obviously then a lot of land is going to go underwater.
	Yeah, yeah, there's the, you know, the coastlines obviously will change.
	And this has happened before.
	I believe in cycles.
	I believe that there's There is a reason for things and I think man can work with these cycles or against them and I think that we allowed our technology to work against us instead of for us.
	And so I think the cycle has been accelerated and while I think these things would happen if man wasn't even present, I think they're going to be more severe.
	And they're going to happen much quicker.
	But we haven't learned, Gordon.
	I was just in the Carolinas on the East Coast, and where Hurricane Hugo took away all the homes, just wiped them flat gone, there are now brand new homes right on the coast, right on the ocean, just waiting, if not for another hurricane, then the first thing that would bring any rise in the water at all, and they're again going to be completely gone.
	Well, you know, waterfront property has high value regardless of what's happened to it before, unless it's radioactive.
	And we're very technological and clever people.
	We can put the financial packages together to rebuild and sell those things and remortgage them.
	Oh, yes.
	And as long as we're willing to, you know, to bail out mass problems, we will continue to do these kind of things.
	It will eventually come to the point Where the money will not be there to do that.
	The number of crises and the amount of money being poured into natural disasters is already unprecedented.
	If you look at the last couple of years, it's just like it's unfathomable how much money has gone in.
	And we're not even at what I call a level 2 yet, a scale of 1 to 100.
	We're just at the beginning stages.
	Well, you must not be the only one who knows, because insurance companies are beginning to stop underwriting.
	Well, I'm in contact with a lot of people who are at the top levels of either government or major insurance companies, and many of them are long-time clients of mine.
	In fact, when I used to do the consulting work, so through the years, We've made this contact, and so I have privy to some inside information, and while it's confidential as far as who, I can talk in generalities.
	It's well known, and this is why they've made the changes.
	There's an area here I'd like to address.
	Sure.
	It's the area of fear.
	I just received a fax from our call center.
	And they're receiving, as we speak, hundreds of phone calls.
	There's a lot of fear generated.
	I know last time we were on the show, we had that same situation.
	What I try to do is, how do you be factual and share what you know without scaring people?
	It's like offering an alternative.
	What do you do?
	How do you fix something like this?
	I tried my best to do that by putting down all of my experiences, what I see happening, and what these options are.
	I've made that available with absolutely no profit to our company or me whatsoever.
	It's simply something that I want to make available for people.
	With your permission, I'd like to mention it.
	The year I took office I was healing, which probably was one of the most spiritual years of my life because all my energy was focused inward and usually it's focused outward.
	I was able to look at myself and my life.
	I was able to go back and I spent a lot of time reading the thousands of letters that I received.
	A lot of your listeners included me in their prayer groups.
	I want to thank them all now.
	There were so many of them.
	Literally, we received thousands of letters over the past year.
	It may reach as high as 5,000 or more letters.
	I do appreciate that.
	One of the things I tried to do with this book was to describe what the mechanisms are and describe ways of dealing with the fear and things that you can do.
	I'd like to at least mention where you can get it if you want to.
	Oh, absolutely.
	The book can be obtained this weekend, 12 o'clock Pacific to 9 Pacific, or 9 o'clock Eastern to 9 o'clock Eastern, by calling 1-800-MATRIX-3.
	1-800-MATRIX-3 1-800-628-7493
	If you just remember Matrix, M-A-T-R-I-X-3 Uh, they can get it.
	The book is $16.95 at the bookstore.
	It cost us $14.95.
	We have a $2 level that the Institute uses.
	The only money I take from the Institute is my basic needs, nothing more.
	And so we have several thousand copies left out of the second press run.
	It's been out six weeks.
	In here, it will answer most of the questions.
	For those people who have been calling and are fearful about this, this is what I know.
	This is some of the options that I see.
	I also want to say that it is not the end of the world.
	Our world has survived for billions of years.
	It will continue to survive.
	There are going to be great changes.
	The changes are already upon us.
	Alright, your book is called Notes from the Cosmos of Futurist Insights into the World of Dream Prophecy and Intuition.
	Correct.
	And again, let me give the number.
	It's 1-800-628-7493.
	1-800-628-7493.
	Fear is a natural thing, Gordon.
	It can be a good thing.
	It can be a good thing, that's right.
	Now, you say these changes are going to be very abrupt.
	You see a melting of the Antarctic.
	You see land, in fact you see buildings in the Antarctic.
	And you see the ocean levels rising, and you don't think this El Nino is a standard El Nino at all, but part of a larger picture, if I've got this right, That includes a pole shift, which is just around the corner.
	Are we talking about weeks?
	Months?
	What do you think?
	I believe that in 1998, I believe that starting in December, we're going to start to see an acceleration of major activity.
	By major activity, we're going to see more volcanism and more quakes.
	In 1998, in that calendar year, I believe we will have experienced the first measurable pole shift, where we begin to see the failure of electronic devices in mass.
	We're just seeing the leading edge of the effects of a shift that's already occurred, but we're going to see a jump.
	It would be kind of like watching an earthquake.
	It's calm, The ground begins to rumble, and then the ground moves and shifts, and you see a tear on the ground.
	Now imagine the earth core is that way.
	It shifts, it begins to vibrate a little bit, transfers its energy up to the outer mantle
	and then all of a sudden the outer mantle immediately shifts and you begin to see the
	effects.
	The effect here will be, and there is probably a three week to three month window that will
	give us the final exact date, and that will be massive solar flares, so watch for that,
	that will start early December of this year through 98, and then the next thing that will
	begin to happen is magnetic devices, satellite systems failing almost on a regular basis.
	By regular basis, once a week, at least, in this disruption.
	Because these bursts of energy, which are standing waves that are coming out of the Earth, versus more electrical nature, these things will literally come up as spikes.
	And they will come up around the Earth at key grid meridians.
	around the earth is certain places like acupuncture needles where the energy is
	higher.
	Alright, listen we are at the top of the hour. How are you doing?
	Do you have a break coming up?
	Yeah I do. Let's talk during the break.
	Alright, we will talk during the break. Gordon Michael Scallion is my guest. Stay right
	where you are and we'll be right back.
	From the high desert, this is Coast to Coast AM.
	I'm Art Bell.
	You're listening to Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 19th, 1997.
	Thank you for watching.
	I'm a little quick on the uptake, feeling they're getting into it.
	www.youtube.com or www.patreon.com or www.subscribe.com Once again, here I am.
	Gordon Michael Scullion is going to remain for this hour.
	If you have a question for him, come now.
	And we'll get back to him in a moment.
	of Coast to Coast AM from September 19, 1997.
	Once again, here I am.
	Gordon Michael Skelion is going to remain for this hour.
	If you have a question for him, come now.
	And we'll get back to him in a moment.
	A poll shift on the way and soon.
	You're listening to Arc Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 19th, 1997.
	Alright, and I want to emphasize something because the phone lines at the Matrix Institute are already going crazy.
	The times that you can call will actually are between nine o'clock and nine o'clock.
	Nine in the morning to nine at night, Eastern Time, or translate for your particular time zone, twelve to twelve here in the West.
	Hawaii and Alaska will have to adjust appropriately, as will the Virgin Islands.
	So, nine to nine, Eastern Time, is the time to call.
	They are not equipped To take calls right now.
	Please do not call right now.
	You obviously felt this was very imminent, very important to get on the air tonight instead of waiting several months, which would have been your physical preference otherwise, correct?
	Well, the agreement that our little family meeting that we had and with other people was that I would not do anything until January of 98 and then talk about another series of things I don't know.
	the spiritual occurrences I also see occurring in 98.
	But six weeks ago, once the Antarctic and the Caribbean and the water temperature, it
	happened much faster than I thought.
	I really thought that this was not going to go until like 98, 99, maybe even 2005.
	But it pushed the calendar up a lot and it gave me concern to say, at least we need to
	make people aware of options.
	All right.
	One question, then we'll go to the phones.
	And that is, with this pole shift and the weather and the winds, what kind of tectonic plate effect will there be?
	That much magma moving under the earth would produce tremendous change tectonically, wouldn't it?
	They will have a new tectonic system.
	I've seen that in the future where it doubles, literally.
	So there's more breakages.
	We've already discovered new faults that we didn't know existed because of technology.
	And of course, after quakes, we've been able to explore and find those things.
	So we're going to see the thrusting, massive thrusting in a matter of moments, around the world.
	And again, the areas that are the highest stress, which is the Ring of Fire, Anywhere along that ring, we will see great releases.
	And of course, that's the total west coast of the United States, the west coast of South America.
	Japan is probably going to be one of the very early places that's going to see this disruption because they sit on three, three plates kind of converge there.
	And so you've got three, you know, you've got more, the percentages are higher that we're going to see greater releases and sooner releases in Japan.
	I have a question for Gordon.
	With all these bad things that are coming upon us, how is it going to be after that?
	Are we going to have happy times?
	on the air with Gordon Michael Scullion.
	In other words, what comes after the change?
	We're a very resilient people.
	We do survive, and we survive in large numbers of people.
	We change a lot.
	We change physically, because we're going to have a whole different energy system to the earth, because these changes in our position in the heavens are going to change.
	We're going to receive different energies and we're going to actually physically begin to change.
	We predicted that we would see DNA changes in microbes and single cell organisms first.
	And I said that would happen in 2002.
	Well, earlier you read what's happening now.
	That's right.
	So I'm way off on my time.
	But there is.
	Highly gifted people, especially children.
	The thing that I see in the future are children's longevity increases to almost 250, 300 years.
	Diseases as we now know it go away.
	They go away because the magnetic influences that set up and hold all matter together changes.
	And so those diseases can't function anymore.
	We change the operating structure for it.
	It doesn't mean that we won't have new problems, but the existing ones will change.
	Major diseases go away, like AIDS, for example, and many of the cancers go away.
	We're also going to see a highly intuitive race of people that are going to emerge at birth.
	Nothing happens without notice.
	We in our dreams, one of the most common, we get buckets of mail every day and the most
	common theme is people sharing dreams, which I always appreciate reading.
	The themes are so similar.
	Tens of thousands of people are writing in with similar experiences and they always describe
	these children that are bright.
	My forecast and predictions have said that these children begin to come in in the 80s
	and 90s.
	So young children now are very gifted.
	We see the computer and we see kids doing things with computers that are amazing.
	That is an evolutionary shift.
	That is not just a change in society that caused that.
	When you're younger, you can adjust to these changes much more readily than you can when you're older.
	These younger people are already adjusting to these new energy patterns of the earth.
	They're more intuitive.
	They're more creative.
	I don't see wars in the future.
	I see conflicts, but not wars.
	I see communities more in rural sections.
	I see the technology that we now have totally being replaced by other technologies.
	So we're not really a technological race.
	I call the new race the children of the Blu-ray, and it's the intuitive race of people.
	So children who are born even now, but more so after these shifts occur, come into the world with total knowledge.
	It's almost like they were tapped into some giant computer in the sky.
	Natural healers.
	So I see a lot of positive.
	In fact, if each of us were to say, what would we like the future to be, and we map that out, and then we look at it and say, well, it'll never be that way.
	We could never possibly give up our cars.
	We couldn't possibly give up our televisions and all of our things.
	We wouldn't do it.
	Well, these changes kind of takes it out of our pathway for a speaker to remove that from us so that we can
	rebuild the way that we each would want to be we become a highly spiritual racist people
	and it lasts for about eighteen hundred years uh... but at the long time for society to emerge
	and to laugh uh... before it goes to the next period of changes
	it is indeed alright uh...
	wildcard line you're on the air with gordon michael scullion good morning
	where are you please good morning our art this is tony in las vegas yes
	uh... good morning uh... gordon morning i have a very brief segmented comment
	for you are going to question for you get Thank you very much.
	First off, Major Ed Daines said about six months ago that the timeline for the event was one and a half to three years.
	Now he says 2012, and he doesn't like the term remote viewer anymore.
	He expects people to remain interested in his is claimed capabilities he might try creating the same
	light seen over northern arizona tucson a phoenix with his proposed to what
	lasers well he is going to do that indeed uh... but i'll be able to assume
	that i do uh... a very brief question any visions about gene shoemaker
	levees untimely demise and earth orbit crossing asteroids
	al with popular uh...
	no i i i've had a lot of information uh... and part you talk about about this uh... over a year
	ago about uh... before the comment came.
	I had a lot about the comet, but not his demise.
	But my experience has always shown me that when a messenger, such as he was, we could say he was at the right place at the right time, we could say a lot of things, but he brought global focus just as the recent accident with Princess Diana and
	Mother Teresa did brought natural focus.
	These things are not by accident.
	They are part of a grand plan.
	It could be that his work was to point something out to bring focus to this so that we begin
	looking in a certain area.
	We begin looking at what if.
	I can remember when we first started talking there were very few television shows about
	asteroids or anything.
	That's true.
	And it's hard to turn television on now without some show focusing on earthquakes or floods or typhoons or hurricanes, and the shows go on and on and on.
	All of that is designed as part of the quickening, as part of the awakening to see, you know, to focus our attention.
	Then we have a choice.
	We can go into denial and say, nothing I can do about it, forget it.
	We look at it and say, what are my options?
	Being bluntly honest with everybody, Gordon, how inevitable do you see the coming poll shift and the changes?
	I believe at this stage it will occur, versus a year ago where I felt that we had some outside chances if we did certain things as a collective body.
	I still would like to hope That in some areas that consciousness can alter events, and I do believe that.
	But I believe we're now outside of the global, and now we're into the community.
	So now I think it's up to communities and how they live their life, how they treat their neighbors, how they treat the land.
	I think communities, depending on how they function spiritually, will determine how they fare through these changes.
	And I now believe with 100% certainty.
	Well, you well know that I have written a book called The Quickening, and I've got an analogy that I really like, that I think is dead on.
	And in the old days, when they used to fly planes across the Pacific to Japan, in the old movie The High and Mighty, there would be a point about the halfway point, just past the halfway point, and a little red light would come on, which would indicate the point of no return.
	In other words, no matter what happens, No matter what might go wrong, you now no longer have enough fuel to go back from once you came.
	You can only go forward.
	And I think that some time ago, not long ago, humanity's little red light came on.
	And that doesn't mean the end of the world.
	It just means we are going to go on to whatever is next.
	Does that sound about right?
	Yes, exactly right.
	These are the Rockies.
	You're on the air with Gordon Michael Scullion.
	Hello.
	Yes, my name is George.
	I'm calling from Mansfield, Ohio.
	Hi, George.
	I have a very important question for Mr. Gordon on something to do with the magnetic pole shift.
	Back in 1988, and I don't know if you're aware of this, they discovered what is called non-linear wetter patterns.
	Now what that is, is basically wetter patterns that are It's very hard to describe.
	It's a chaotic weather pattern that holds a certain pattern, that repeats that pattern, but it's chaotic.
	And what they learn from that is a new science called Controlled Synchronous Chaos.
	This is no lie.
	Mr. Dr. Chua at the University of Berkeley in Berkeley, California developed circuits for this.
	The U.S.
	Naval Laboratory, which I've received information, have developed All types of ways of encoding messages secretly through cryptography.
	The dynamic output of lasers, which means increasing the power of a laser tremendously by using it.
	But what I want to mention is, what I believe they discovered in 1988 in the weather patterns, is a kind, you know, capacitance between objects is like a charge.
	Okay?
	If the capacitance was chaotic between objects, Couldn't this possibly neutralize the normal capacitance that's supposed to be in this world and possibly cause this magnetic pole shift and of course all these weather patterns?
	And could it possibly be?
	There are little diodes and capacitors and electronic circuits working through the power possibly of the Aurora Borealis, which is the solar wind.
	It means the particles coming down from the sun, the solar flares and so forth, the energy coming from the sun.
	I think I've got the thrust of your question.
	It's an interesting question because you said that when this event comes, this pole shift, electronics will suddenly fail.
	recently developed. All right, I think I've got the thrust of your question. It's an interesting question
	Because you've said that when this event comes this pole shift
	electronics will suddenly fail Correct
	Technology There's two types and I think part of what George is
	Discussing is that there's two sides of all energies Just like there's white and black.
	We can look at energies in two polarities.
	Somewhere in the middle is where energies kind of want to be.
	Everything wants to be at a state of balance or rest, and anything that contributes either side of that throws it off of balance.
	Our massive electronics, at any given moment, there are hundreds of electronic signals passing through each of our bodies.
	Fifty thousands for all I know, but hundreds for sure.
	These, we say, well, they're small, you know, microwave, radio, televisions, you know, little signals.
	But over time, these signals also pass into the Earth.
	I have no doubt that they contribute So in a way he was right, a causative agent and what you see coming, the corrective agent.
	There is no way to correct it at this stage.
	Let me rephrase that, rebalance.
	The balancing has to come from each of us individually.
	You know, some of the things that we have done here, for example, is that we have minimized the amount of technology that we have.
	Because we are communicators, we need certain amounts of technology, but I have minimized it significantly.
	I've also become more aware of kinds of energy, where I try to use solar devices.
	I try to do as much as I can, and that's increased my awareness.
	Each of us has to, in our own way, Kind of go back to a balance point.
	The most significant energy is not our technology, as I see it, that's destructive.
	The single thing I see is our thoughts.
	And if we are in a loving position, where we're thinking loving thoughts, wishing well, we eliminate greed, we eliminate control, we eliminate hatred, we always see the best of everybody.
	We try to work in that framework.
	For each of us are powerful.
	Now, we might say, well, you know, that's only one person.
	Remember, we're five and a half, almost six billion people on this planet.
	That's a lot of thought, collectively, if it was focused.
	Yeah, it's a lot of little magnets.
	All right, hold on.
	We'll be right back.
	Gordon Michael Scullion is my guest.
	I'm Art Bell.
	You're listening to Art Bell, somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
	Tonight an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 19, 1997.
	I see them blues following you And I think to myself
	What a wonderful world And play again!
	you I see skies of blue and clouds of white
	The bright blessed day, the dark sacred night And I think to myself, what a wonderful world
	The Star Spangled Banner The Star Spangled Banner
	The Star Spangled Banner You're listening to Arkbell, somewhere in time.
	Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 19th, 1997.
	It is, and here I am again.
	and Gordon Michael Scalion is with us and he'll be right back.
	Now we take you back to the night of September 19th, 1997 on our girls somewhere in time
	about the record michael scullion in new hampshire and here comes something that
	we don't normally ever do on the air i don't think we've ever done it actually
	During the last break, not this one, but the last one, Gordon said, I need to talk to you off the air about something.
	I finally couldn't stand it.
	At the bottom of the hour I asked him what that was.
	Gordon, why don't you repeat what you said to me?
	During a break I started seeing visions and I had an incredible knot in my stomach.
	My first thought was I became fearful.
	I said, I've overdone it.
	I had agreed I was only going to do two hours at a time.
	An hour and a half or two hours.
	Yet my intuitive sense says that I really needed to talk to some people out there to deal with issues around fear.
	The vision that I saw, the reason I wanted to talk to you off air is because it was a personal thing and I never discuss things without permission.
	And it was that the vision was that I saw Art, you, and myself sitting at some kind of a console with headsets on, and the room had maps all over the room, and the maps were, and we were using, which I assume is your program, to guide people into areas, and there was a string of cars that looked like a freight train of lights spreading out All the way to the west coast, into Nevada.
	They were all coming in to Nevada from, it appeared to be from the south and western portions of California.
	And we were acting as like a lifeline link to this, and I could see other visions of helicopters with red cross symbols on it, bringing in tents throughout the border of California and Nevada.
	Thousands of these huge tents that look like bivouac tents.
	And people were coming in in masses, and it reminded me of 1955 when I was involved in civil defense, and I did a similar thing there during the hurricane.
	You know, helping ham radio operators.
	One of the greatest gifts that they offer is the ability to help during crisis, because we have portable radios, and we know how to work them, and we're self-sufficient, and we can put them in cars.
	That's one of the true gifts I found of Ham Radio and why I stayed with it for so long.
	Just as I saw that, it was like it threw me back and I literally had to sit down and take some deep breaths.
	That's one of the messages I wanted to share with you off the air.
	I appreciate it, and I don't mind it being on the air.
	That's something.
	I wouldn't be surprised, but that such a thing could actually come true, Gordon.
	We'll see, I guess.
	Back to the lines.
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Gordon Michael Scallion.
	Hi.
	Good morning, Art.
	Good morning.
	I'm Dave Infresno, a ham radio operator as well.
	I've got a question, and my friend here sitting with me has got a question for Gordon.
	I'm just curious myself whether or not we'll be Basically, whether the North Pole will be in our backyard one morning or not.
	After these changes, these three abrupt magnetic shifts, most of the information you might read out there on shifts indicates that the poles reversed themselves.
	So when they do, we know scientifically that poles, the direction of the poles have reversed directions, north to south, south to north.
	Thousands of times.
	We know that by core samplings and measuring magnetites in the material, so we can go back and we know that there were major ones around 12,000 years ago, which is when we found the Mastodon's frozen stride and all the weather changes and cataclysms.
	The ones I see, however, are smaller and they are 6 to 7 degrees, as I had said earlier, westerly movement.
	So if you were sitting in Fresno and you were looking at your compass, You know, the compass would point to, currently, north would point to probably somewhere around 200, somewhere around 300 degrees.
	I'm going to guess 3, you know, there might be 325.
	You know, 25 to 45 degrees would be the, the maximum would be 45 degrees.
	The maximum would be 45 degrees.
	21 to 25 is what I consistently have seen, but I've also realized that that could shift
	a bit more.
	If it went as much as 90 degrees, we're obviously looking due west.
	Wow.
	Well, those are some major changes.
	Our other question here is whether or not you know anything of the nature of the men
	in black.
	No, I haven't seen it.
	I have had no visions specifically about things that would deal with cover-ups and conspiracies.
	The sources who ever feed me this information figure I have enough to do with cataclysms.
	But I have seen technology, and I have seen all kinds of craft.
	And a lot of the craft that I have seen is, you know, when the Bluebird was first created, and the 117A was created, you know, they were super secret for years.
	So whenever they roll out, you know, the super secret device, you know, they've got something that's been up in the air, you know, that's already replaced it.
	So a lot of these crafts I've seen, I've also seen helicopters around those that were up with no markings.
	So my assumption is, is that two things are going on.
	One is we have very advanced technology and we have, we have craft that make, you know, jets, you know, look like, you know, Ancient steam engines, that kind of stuff.
	I think we have technology 50 years ahead of what the industry will produce, as far as you know.
	And I also think, at the same time, that we have visitors, not only from other solar systems, but also from within our own Earth system, other vibrations or dimensions.
	And so, logically, in my mind, though I have not seen the specific vision of it, I would assume that all of this is known, including all these earth changes.
	These are all known.
	And the question is... You know, that's kind of where I was going.
	It must be all known.
	If you know this, if you have seen this, then other gifted people have seen it.
	We know that the government has run remote viewing programs, has put money into various black projects of this sort for decades now, Gordon.
	So there's a good chance the government knows about it.
	Wouldn't you agree?
	I have personally met with many of the astronauts, and we've had long discussions, and they have really, you know, once they went out into space, their life changed, and they had a whole different perspective on the Earth, and their spirituality changed.
	And this is not just one or two astronauts.
	I've talked to numerous, and we've had some real deep, in-depth discussions where of total honesty on both of our parts, and they have just said, you know, You know, they have seen this not only in space, but they've seen it here on Earth, that they know their craft, not only that we have created, but there's craft that comes from someplace else, and that every time they get close to exploring that on their own end, they're shut out.
	So they only have so much knowledge.
	They've had first-hand visual contact.
	Now, pilots, especially jet pilots and astronauts, are highly trained.
	They're trained observers.
	So when they see something, and you see them in math describing technological craft, not
	some kind of air phenomena, you have to believe them.
	It fits into the visions.
	I've shown them sketches of my visions.
	I said, is this what you've seen?
	They just turn white.
	They said, that's exactly what I've seen.
	How did you get this?
	I know.
	I've heard the same thing always privately from astronauts.
	I'm going to be interviewing a couple shortly.
	I'm looking forward to it.
	First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Gordon Michael Scallion.
	Good morning.
	Hello.
	My name is John.
	I'm calling from San Diego.
	Hi, John.
	How are you doing?
	Mr. Scallion, it's a pleasure to get your views on some things.
	In a nutshell, a couple of questions.
	One is regarding some literature that I received regarding the Aetherians.
	You say that the crop circles are actually not by UFOs, as we all are led to believe, but by these interdimensional beings or spirits.
	Secondly, you've highlighted that one area that's supposed to be a safe haven or safe zone is Colorado.
	And I'm getting two places.
	Actually, I don't know exactly where in Colorado.
	Examples I'd like to know.
	Some of the literature doesn't really narrow it down for me.
	And secondly, I'm wondering with respect to another area is in Canada.
	Are there areas in Canada?
	Because what I'm thinking is, with respect to the weather changes and their influx, what we see today is not going to be there tomorrow.
	So that's a big concern for me, because obviously I would like to do my best to try to survive this calamity that's going to befall us all.
	And lastly, I wanted to know, there is something I think with respect to Notre Dame, there is something about a planetary alignment, I don't know, I guess it's open to interpretation, that the planetary alignment would cause I heard this somewhere there's going to be an alignment and this in fact could cause a
	Caller 2005 is the planetary alignment, I believe.
	And these events are forecast now to occur far before that.
	But let's go back to a couple of the earlier ones.
	Gordon, the crop circles are amazing.
	They have become more complex and incredibly more frequent.
	Any comment on the crop circles?
	The crop circles tie in with Earth changes very specifically.
	and a shift in consciousness. I felt it was so important that I devoted a whole chapter
	in my book, Notes from the Cosmos, on it. Basically, what these crop circles are are
	messages for us. We study them and I also want to say that there is a percentage of
	those things, which may be as high as 20%, that are fraudulent.
	They are just boguses.
	But the ones that we see, whether it is magnetic residues, the ones that we see spiraling,
	replete, I went there before they really began.
	My source told me they were going to come, tell me what the patterns would be like, and I went, and I had a chance to explore England in particular, and really got to see what I was seeing and envisioning.
	They're created by, if you can imagine, you know, uh... you pass over and then you can't your spirit your
	ghost and uh... info most of us might
	uh... you know cat actually the possibility that that after death there
	is something else yes but you can imagine that after death
	a physical death there's many levels and that one of these level
	which would be a very tell me the fifth level of consciousness of the earth
	there's another society that that that operates differently than we do it
	And they're more of light beings.
	And so they create this sphere of light which is able to move through dimensions.
	And this little sphere is like a stylus.
	It moves in and it creates the patterns.
	And it does it in a matter, literally in a matter of a few seconds.
	And it's a time shift when it happens.
	And the messages are pointing to key alignments or times when things are going to happen.
	It also gives symbols that we might understand.
	So what they're trying to do is set up a symbolic rapport for us to see and note this.
	And the fields were chosen because it's grand.
	It focuses on a very large scale.
	And my prediction is that three or four years ago it would become more complex, going into spirals, going into number books, going into pyramidal structures.
	And each stage would take us to the next level.
	Well, they have certainly done that.
	All right, he asked about safe zones, and I imagine a lot of people want to know about that.
	He mentioned Colorado.
	In my future map of North America or the world, I tried to take a snapshot.
	This is what I see.
	My visions are looking down, looking back at the Earth, like you were in a plane at 30,000 feet or maybe, you know, even space.
	And so after seeing these visions hundreds, if not thousands of times, I was able to sketch what I saw from space.
	So it's relative.
	It's a relative snapshot of it.
	And so based on that, I created what I saw, the map, and I went ahead to the future, to the year 2020, 2014, 2012, and I backed all the way up.
	And when the visions didn't change anymore, I had a time frame.
	The frame was 1998 to 2012.
	Most of Southern Canada, with exception around the Great Lakes, will fare fairly well, and also the West Coast.
	So we've got to get to the east of the Rockies, Canadian or U.S., away from the Great Lakes, and away from Nova Scotia and Newfoundland and those areas.
	So if you look at those regions in Canada, they fare fairly well.
	Colorado kind of gets divided.
	So if we were to look at Fort Collins, for example, east, those areas in there are, according to my map anyway, are more, right now there's very little east, or the northeast part of Colorado, yet in the future, it has abundance of water there.
	I was told that there's an underground aquifer there that has an incredible amount of very potent, healthy water.
	I see major civilizations develop in there, you know, massive, you know, tens of thousands of people flood into that area.
	Areas like Denver, for example, won't exist.
	That is not a good area.
	So the northeast portion, or Fort Collins East, would be the place in Colorado.
	What about your area, New England?
	New England gets pretty chopped up.
	Along the Connecticut River, it returns back to the inland sea.
	Elevations that are over 300 feet throughout central New England.
	If we were to look at the coastlines from Maine, for example, we would have to move inland maybe 20, 30 miles all the way down to Concord, for example.
	Concord, New Hampshire, for example, becomes a new coast.
	You know, so Rhode Island and most of the islands like Block Island, Long Island, portions of New York, all of these things go underwater because of in part because of the large melt off and the rising ocean
	levels.
	You got to remember when the freeze came during the last pole shift, that water froze and it was contained.
	And so the moisture, you know, and that's what changed it.
	But the ocean levels used to be you know much more expansive and it will return to that. So
	it's like a cycle returning.
	Do you have any idea why the events which were in the more out years have quickened so
	that we're looking now at mere months before we're into the middle of it?
	I think there are two things that happen, and there are things that are happening in the world that are trying to adjust it.
	We did something technologically as far as, not only us, but I think we would have to look at Russia too.
	We did something in the 80s with weather research, trying to control weather.
	And I think we unleashed stuff there that probably scared the powers that be and they agreed, both the US and Russia agreed to stop it.
	But there were other projects that were going on where they were just trying to alter or control.
	It seems to be our destiny to try to control nature instead of working with nature.
	I think these things set into motion things that move faster.
	I also think that the pure number of conflicts in the world, at any given moment we've got 40 skirmishes or wars going on in the world.
	I think, you know, it's a crescendo.
	We're building this crescendo.
	So I think technologically we made mistakes, and I think that consciously we just did not heed the warnings.
	We just, we all said we want to stop it, but we weren't willing to make the sacrifices to stop it.
	All right.
	We might have time for one more.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air with Gordon Michael Scallion.
	Good morning.
	Yeah, good morning.
	This is Dan in Virginia.
	Yes, sir.
	The human body is an electrical system.
	How is this going to affect the human being as far as their emotions, their thought patterns, and so forth?
	Well, I think you already pretty much covered that, but it's a very good point.
	We are electrical beings.
	There's no question about it.
	And if we have massive failure of electronic equipment, there will be a biological effect as well, correct?
	It is correct.
	It has already begun.
	A lot of the things that you're seeing... In fact, I just wrote in my newsletter this month about it.
	The effects of the pole shift on health.
	One of the things I talk about is the fact that conditions such as manic, manic depresses.
	We're going to see that often.
	And we're going to see that drugs are no longer going to work for a lot of things that we're trying to control emotions.
	The biggest thing I see is schizophrenia, paranoia, manic, Immune system breakdowns, all kinds of electrical problems.
	We're going to see especially things like the thymus and pituitary.
	We're going to see more effects of brain cancer.
	We're going to see trouble with optics, the optic system.
	All of these things are the first major signs, and that's already happening.
	We're seeing part of the breakdown, of course, is because we've ruined our food chain supply system and our atmosphere.
	But the bigger changes I'm seeing really are electrically motivated.
	So what Dave was saying is absolutely correct, that the electrical body is going to be detected.
	Now we can adjust.
	We do have the ability if we just listen to our own inner guidance of what to eat and what not to eat, and how to think, we can adjust.
	Just like a tree will adjust its bark.
	All right, Gordon, we are at the end of this hour and I know that your folks will throw a hissy fit if I keep you over.
	So, I will get the information after the top of the hour on for your book once again.
	Uh, in the hours in which people can call.
	I want to thank you for being with us, and, uh, we'll do it again sometime.
	Take care of yourself.
	Okay, Eric.
	Gordon, thank you.
	You bet.
	Bye-bye.
	Gordon Michael Scalion.
	And if you get a chance, go to a bookstore and get my book.
	It's called The Quickening by Art Bell.
	It tells the story.

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