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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Gordon Michael Scallion - Predictions of Major Earth Changes. Stan Deyo

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unidentified		Welcome to Arc Bell Somewhere in Time, tonight Beachworth 19, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, or good morning, as the case may be, across all these many time zones of the night time, stretching from the Hawaiian and Beach Mountain Chains, upwest, all the way eastern Europe,
		up into South America, good morning down there, and north into the Pole, good morning up there, this night we are going to do many things.
		At 11 o'clock or the beginning of next hour, we will talk with Gordon Michael Skelligan.
		It has been about a year since we've talked to Gordon.
		It would be my guess he'll spend only a couple of hours with us.
		But we'll see.
		That is his present condition.
		He's not very strong, but he's got something he wants to get out.
		In other words, he would have actually put this off for several months.
		If he could have put it off for several months.
		The information is so dire and so necessary for it to be out now that he is coming on the air despite the way he feels.
		Updating you on another situation, Danion Brinkley.
		The news is not good.
		He's had another setback, I'm sorry to say.
		Danion has a new aneurysm.
		And this time, he is bleeding from an area under his brain, putting pressure literally on his eye.
		Now, the holes they drilled, literally in his head, to relieve pressure did their job for the aneurysms that he had.
		But this new one is not draining through the holes that have already been drilled.
		So the pressure is building.
		He's had some blood pressure problems.
		And, you know, it doesn't look good, and he can certainly use your prayers.
		And I got a call about half an hour, I think, prior to airtime, tonight about his current condition.
		He's now unstable again.
		And I am far from being a brain surgeon, as you well know.
		So I cannot tell you the implications of the present difficulty, how big it is.
		I do know that they're unable to give him any clotting medicine.
		As a matter of fact, he normally takes coumidin, which thins the blood because of his heart valve.
		So, again, what keeps him alive appears to be killing him.
		And the late news is not good.
		And I was very much afraid when I left, though there was some jubilation, of course, about what they had accomplished in the operation they did, that there were going to be additional complications.
		So I am not surprised, but I am certainly saddened by this development.
		Maybe somebody out there who does know the implications of that area, an aneurysm in that area.
		Now, the upside is, of course, he is presently in intensive care.
		So if you're going to have an aneurysm, that's the place you want to be.
		In other words, they are close at hand.
		The very best help available is close at hand.
		So that is an update on Danion.
		I will keep you informed.
		I had a photograph of Danion up on my live studio cam for about 24 hours, and I would presume a number of you got to see that.
		The high-resolution 35-millimeter photography is in, and I will scan it and get it up over the weekend.
		I'll get it on the webpage, so you might want to watch for that over the weekend.
		And one other thing.
		A Daniel recorded on videotape his goodbye.
		And I've got that.
		And I surely hope that I don't need to play it for you.
		But should the occasion arise, if Daniel does not make it, I will play it for you.
		And he was very circumspect about it all.
		Very circumspect about it himself.
		Life is very short.
		And my advice to all of you is to make of it what you can while you can, because actually you're all here for a cosmic blink.
		All of us.
		Except maybe those immortals who call from time to time.
		The rest of us, mere mortals, are here for a very short time indeed.
		And it brings home the lesson that you should use your time wisely.
		That's your Danion Brinkley update.
		I wish I could say it was a better one.
		An Air Force B-1 bomber crashed in Montana, killing all four crew members.
		This means now that There have been six U.S. military crashes, air crashes, this week.
		And that seems like too many.
		A very, very bad week for military aviation.
		Vice President Gore has hired private lawyers to help him deal with mushrooming allegations involving fundraising practices from last year's presidential election, you know, phone calls from the White House, that kind of thing.
		The spin the White House is putting on this is that it humanizes Gore.
		It makes the otherwise stiff-spined, always sitting at attention Al Gore more human.
		And that is an interesting way to try to spin this.
	So I wonder if this is out in 98.
	Diana's bodyguard cannot remember a thing.
	He was due to talk, bodyguard Trevor Reese-Jones, but he has nothing to talk about because he can't remember.
	And it may be that our brains do that, particularly with respect to short-term occurrences.
	They just sort of reject them.
	At any rate, it does not look like at this time there will be any information coming from Mr. Reese.
	Rhys-Jones, I guess it is.
	Here's an interesting item, particularly in view of last night's program.
	Four-nation talks in New York on an agenda for Korean peace negotiations broke down Friday after famine-stricken North Korea persisted with demands that U.S. officials said were simply unacceptable.
	Washington blamed North Korea for the failure of the discussions, part of a series between the U.S., China, South Korea, and North Korea, to hold a formal conference in Geneva to forge a permanent peace agreement for the bitterly divided Korean peninsula.
	U.S. officials said the sides failed to reach agreement on agenda items because North Korea linked food aid to the talks and demanded the U.S. stop, rather begin now, troop withdrawals from South Korea.
	There are no plans for new talks.
	Ed Dames last night suggested the first use of a nuclear weapon would be the North against the South in Korea.
	just thought i would uh...
	bring that to your attention The strongest satellite evidence yet of a powerful weather-disrupting El Nino shows that a warm water mass off South America's Pacific coast has now grown to one and one-half times the size of the continental U.S., according to NASA.
	The warm mass was only two-thirds its current size four months ago.
	Now, there was some argument with a climatologist I had on the air who suggested the El Niño was indeed continuing to grow.
	And you may recall some who said they were expert called in and said, no, no, no, the math, the counts are all showing it's getting smaller.
	So here you have now evidence, not only is it getting bigger, but it is becoming the biggest they've ever recorded.
	In another indication of El Niño's powerful hand, water vapor measurements from yet another satellite are providing signs the southwestern U.S. could get pounded this winter with Pineapple Express storms crossing the Pacific from Hawaii.
	So there you have it.
	There is now proof from NASA, from satellites, that indeed this is the most powerful El Niño ever recorded.
	And by the way, it continues to build now.
	Let me read you what Gordon Michael Scallion, who will be here next hour, said to me when he faxed me.
	He's got a new book, Art.
	You will find, enclosed, a new copy of my book, Notes from the Cosmos, a Futurist's Insights into the World of Dream Prophecy and Intuition.
	I think you'll find the chapter on the awakening to be the most interesting subject, one that both you and I have discussed previously.
	I have appreciated your ongoing support of my work and your desire to have me appear on your show.
	Again, during the past year, I've been trying to restore my vitality and complete my book prior to the great changes I see on the doorstep here in just a few months.
	I now feel we have something of value to share with your listeners dealing with the activities that are now going on in Montserrat as well as the phenomenal ocean temperature rise globally.
	Part of me is totally amazed that the world is not focusing on the cause of the current El Niño, for in my opinion, it is much more than El Niño.
	In my opinion, we are very close to global cataclysmic events.
	While some might say the current weather changes are indeed that, I see these only as precursors to a shift in the magnetic field of Earth as well as a disruption of the tectonic plate system.
	So we will be asking Gordon Michael Scallion.
	It'll be good to hear his voice again about all of this next hour.
	Now, I am booking some guests that I think you're going to be rather interested in.
	For example, coming Monday is Boris Saeed.
	Boris Said is going to blow the literal top off what has been going on in Egypt with the Shore Expedition.
	He has been at odds with the Shore Expedition now for some time and has been unwilling to talk.
	This has been, oh, I guess, going back at least a year.
	And he called me yesterday and, well, today as well, and said, that's it.
	I've had it.
	I'm ready to talk.
	And boy, do I have a lot to say.
	So, Boris Saeed will be coming up this Monday.
	Now, next Friday night, Friday night, Saturday morning, this is one I know a lot of you have been waiting for.
	And I hope we can get it on the air without incident.
	My guests will be Gene Huff and Bob Lazar.
	I wonder how many of you know who Bob Lazar is.
	Bob is a physicist who worked, he says, at Area 51 and back-engineered craft that were there.
	He will describe these for you.
	He saw them.
	In some cases, he was inside and actually worked on them.
	Bob Lazar is not going to be doing radio interviews after this one for quite some time.
	And they will give you the reasons for that, so you're not going to want to miss it.
	That's Friday night, Saturday morning, the 26th.
	So I'm working on that and some other bookings, and that's kind of an update on where things are.
	We will go to open lines here in a moment, until the top of the hour.
	Again, I wish the news I could give you on Danion was better.
	And I would say your continued prayers for his recovery can't hurt.
	There does certainly seem to be something to the power of prayer.
	Whatever that something is, would provide a wide field for argument.
	But I think the fact of its effectiveness is not arguable at all.
unidentified		The End Now we take you back to the night of September 19th, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
unidentified		The End Well, all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My book, as you know, The Quickening, more relevant now than ever, ever, ever before, is available nationwide in bookstores.
		You can go into just about any bookstore and ask for The Quickening by Art Bell.
		And, you know, I just don't understand some things about life.
		In some ways, these are the best and the worst of times for me.
		And I really mean that.
		The absolute best and the absolute worst.
		So many things have happened, some that I have told you about in the past in my private life, that are threatening and tragic and things I can't really talk about.
		And now there's Daniel on top of that.
		And some other things that I just really can't talk about.
		The very worst that you might imagine.
		And at the same time, the very best is occurring.
		This program's growth has been non-stop and looks like it will continue that way.
		The book I wrote, The Quickening, is on the bestseller list and headed up, up, up.
		I've got a magnificent trip coming up to a very exotic part of the world, the virtual cradle of humanity.
		So it's kind of an odd thing.
		And I've been doing a little bit of thinking about it of late.
		The best and the worst of times.
		They seem to come, you know, together.
		Maybe that is my manifest destiny.
		I don't know.
		But it is interesting, and I'm sitting back almost as a dispassionate observer at times.
		And I begin to wonder, how can this be the best and worst all at once?
		Kind of strange, huh?
		I'm going to do one book signing.
		One.
		It will be in Encinidas.
		It will be October 25th at 10 o'clock in the morning, 10 o'clock onward.
		And I would love to see you there, Barnes and Noble.
		They're at 1040 North El Camino Real in Encinidas.
		So you might pencil me in if you get a chance on your calendar.
		And I would love to sign a book for you.
		I do warn that is the only book signing I am going to be doing for the quickening.
		And as last night, Danion, this is for you.
unidentified		With an old peace of mind that I'm ready for the task to get better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just listen to the words.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It kind of fits.
unidentified		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 19th, 1997.
		I've got to tell you I've been racking my brain, hoping to find a way out.
		I've had enough of this continual rain, changes unfold.
		are coming, no doubt.
		It's been a too long time with no peace of mind.
		I'm ready for the time to get ready.
		Yeah.
		You seem to want from me what I cannot give.
		I feel so lonesome at times.
		I have a dream that I wish I could live.
		It's burning holes in my mind.
		Time with no peace to mind.
		and i'm ready for the time to get that high
		It's been a long time with no people in my And I'm ready for the time to be better.
		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 19th, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just seems to fit somehow.
unidentified		Daniel, damn it, get better.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's not doing well, and once again, he's, I guess, on the critical list.
		So all the prayers you can muster up would seem appropriate.
		Anyway, it's going to be open lines from here to the top of the hour, and then Gordon Michael Scallion, a voice you've not heard in a very long time.
		And in just one moment, we shall begin.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Now we take you back to the night of September 19th, 1997.
		On Art Bell, somewhere in time.
		The End Now to our lines.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		Oh, yeah, this is ours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, turn your radio off.
unidentified		I did.
		I'm glad to have been listening to your show for a while.
		Since January, I got my third shift, worked out working third shift.
		And I heard you advertising that you saying rather on when you were talking to Stan Deo that you might be getting some suppliers of water purifiers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Do you know when you'll be starting to do that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course, we have had some on the air before, and we are investigating getting some back.
		Yes.
		Okay.
		So all I can say is soon.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Do you know if they will be filter-type purifiers or might they be distillers?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll look at both.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's one of the things that people ought to have on hand.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		See, I have storable food, and I continue to store and vacuum pack.
		But the one nut that I cannot crack is the water thing.
		And filters are nice, but they eventually break down and clog.
		And I've been looking high and low.
		In fact, I went to the Thomas Registry of American Manufacturers, of manufacturers who make distillers and also survival equipment.
		But I haven't been able to find anybody who makes a water distiller that does not require electricity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I will see what I can find.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In the meantime, as you well know, there are chemical purifiers.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you should have those in stock.
unidentified		I see.
		All right?
		Okay, sure.
		And I'll be waiting for your show tonight.
		I record it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you don't have to wait for my show, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's already on.
unidentified		Oh, I know, but I mean, I'm going to be waiting for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gordon might stay there, I know.
unidentified		Yeah, he's going to be good, I think.
		I've never heard him talk before.
		I've only heard rumors about him.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, the rumors end tonight, and you will hear Gordon.
		Thank you.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Oh, good evening, Art.
		This is Warren in Portland, Oregon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Go, I've been wanting to get through for quite a while here.
unidentified		I know you've got an interest in Atlantis, and I wanted to offer a suggestion for somebody you might want to get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		A gentleman by the name of David Hatcher Childress.
unidentified		He's written a whole series of books on ancient cities and lost civilizations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a contact number for him?
unidentified		I knew you were going to ask that.
unidentified		Give me a second here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Don't give it on the air.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, by email.
unidentified		I have a telephone number for him.
unidentified		I can give you references that could probably put you in contact with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
		Anything you have would be great help.
		Just email it to me or fax it to me or send it to me in a letter.
unidentified		Oh, draft.
		Okay, I'll have to send a snail mail.
		Okay.
		And let's see.
		Oh, the other one, the cataclysm topic.
		It's interesting.
		It keeps coming up because I've got some thoughts on it myself.
		I make no claim to being a great clairvoyant or anything like that, but every now and then I get nudges myself and I keep coming up, hitting something coming up somewhere around 2004 is what I keep getting, but I can't get a picture of it or anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you and I are exactly alike.
		Thank you.
		I, too, don't know, but I keep getting glimpses of it.
		Interesting way to put it.
		There is something out there, something coming, something looming.
		You can feel it.
		Can't you?
		But you can't quite put your finger on it.
		And I am not Gordon Michael.
		Nor am I a Dames.
		I just know it's all.
		And that to me makes it all the more powerful.
		I am not a psychic.
		I am not a Daniel.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		Yeah.
		Yeah, this is Brian from South Carolina.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Brian.
unidentified		Yeah, I'd like to say real quick, my prayers go out to Daniel and all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, he sure needs them.
unidentified		I know it, man.
		It sucks.
		But I think you'll be all right.
		About what I call for, y'all gave the number for the technical remote viewing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Do I have it?
		No, I don't.
unidentified		Okay, could you like rebroadcast the show over the weekend or something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, yes, we will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It will rebroadcast Saturday night, Sunday morning.
unidentified		Cool.
		Well, I appreciate it.
		On another note, I think the big event that everybody's talking about, it looks to me like it's like pieces of the puzzle.
		Everybody has like one piece or another of the puzzle, and it's just a matter of everybody getting it put together.
		Like somebody over here has one perception, and somebody else has another piece.
		And nobody's really wrong.
		But I think if we all got together and just said, well, okay, instead of hammering on everybody else, let's just say that, you know, I've got this piece, you've got that piece, let's all put it together, and we'll see, you know, kind of get a glance at what's to come.
		You know what I'm talking about?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's somebody who wrote a question for Gordon Michael Scallion.
		Dear Art, this is a question for Gordon Michael Scallion.
		There seem to be as many different visions for the future as there are visionaries, but the common thread to all of them is that something very big is about to happen.
		Indeed, is happening.
		Mother Mary, through Annie Kirkwood, has said she feels that we have been given a reprieve.
		Is it possible that several different scenarios will be happening simultaneously and that perhaps we each turn into a different channel, so to speak?
		Kathy in Blue Lake, California.
		So she is essentially saying the same thing.
		That the words are different.
		The visionaries are different.
		But there is a commonality to all of them.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		I think so.
		You have to forgive me.
		I'm a little bit nervous.
		I haven't talked on the radio before.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's all right to be nervous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm nervous, too.
unidentified		I hear you.
		Well, I appreciate it.
		That's all I really wanted to say right now.
		I'll probably be calling back again later.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, cool.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Appreciate it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		All right.
		From South Carolina.
		Sure.
		Don't you feel it?
		That's where my book, The Quickening, came from.
		The fact that I felt it.
		And the reason I wrote it, I think, is because people would say, well, it's communication art.
		You know, it's all the instant.
		It's the internet.
		It's the networks.
		It's television.
		And we're simply hearing about this more frequently.
		And so the book was necessary to quiet those and prove them wrong.
		And it does that.
		So if you want to read it for yourself, get a copy of it and try and deny the documentation within.
		In every single important area of human endeavor, we are obviously racing toward an event.
		On my international line, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		It's Rob from Alberta, Canada calling.
		Is it online?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Rob.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, it is.
unidentified		Fantastic.
		I'm just wondering about if you can help me out with this habit that cats have that I'm curious about.
		I'm wondering why cats will come up to you and rub themselves on you to get their scent onto you so you smell like them, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		But why is it that as soon as we pet a cat or touch a cat, their first instinct is to clean themselves to get our scent off of them?
unidentified		Isn't that kind of a double standard?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		You don't think so?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		They are claiming you, in effect, as their territory.
		When they put their scent on you, they're claiming you as their territory.
		When you put your scent on them, you are, in effect, trying to claim them as your territory.
		And they are offended.
unidentified		So they don't think it's rude being double-standard, eh?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know if rude would be the appropriate term to apply here.
		I think it's just something they do.
		That's the way cats are.
		You belong to them.
		I see.
		They don't belong to you.
unidentified		Do you have any tips about bringing a new cat into a family?
unidentified		Because I think you know that if you were to bring a kitten in, I mean, it throws the hierarchy of the cat's world into chaos.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It does.
		And they hate you for it.
		I know.
unidentified		Now, I heard one time that what you're to do is to bring the kitten in in a box, and you put the box in the middle of the floor.
		And all the cats come in, and you introduce all the cats to this box, and then somehow open this box slowly so the kitten can find its way out.
		That way, they don't blame you for bringing this kitten in.
		It just appeared out of this box.
		Have you heard anything about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, but that's an interesting idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, you're saying they discover it themselves.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		I didn't bring it in, so they're not going to get mad at me, and they're not going to pee all over my clothes anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You sound like you're going through cat hell.
unidentified		No, I'm not.
		I do this once, and I want to do it again.
		I want to get another cat in here, but I don't want to go there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many do you have?
unidentified		I have two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Bringing in the second one when you have one is very hard.
		Bringing in the third really changes dynamic in a way that's better.
		So you have less to worry about with number three.
		Okay.
unidentified		So the box idea probably would work.
unidentified		It'll add a safe zone into this thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give it a try.
unidentified		Well, thanks a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Take care.
		It is worth a try.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Arbel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Wow, I've been trying to get through for you for so long.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here you are.
unidentified		Which are my radio offers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, please do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then also tell us where you are.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm calling from Columbus, Ohio, actually, right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		And I was wondering, I just heard a caller in that called about the cats.
		Yes.
		And I do think that's kind of a funny thing coming in.
		That's an interesting call.
		I know you get a lot of.
		so you run just kind of a free forum.
		Sure.
		Okay, that's cool.
		Um yeah I'm staying overnight at a friend's house.
		We sent you a fax not too long ago about what?
		I can't remember exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We had you sent me a fax and you can't remember?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Yeah, that's interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is commonly known as mind wipe.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		I know what you're talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You get on the air and then you totally forget why you called.
unidentified		Well, you know, here's something I'd like to know.
unidentified		Have you ever talked to JC again?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		JC has not called in in quite a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So the answer is, I have not talked to JC, I would guess, for about three months.
unidentified		Hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you've got your radio on, don't you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is a disastrously bad idea.
unidentified		Good grief.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's very confusing.
unidentified		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you got it off?
unidentified		I will agree with you on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have it off?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you don't.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm going to have to move on if you can't get your radio off.
unidentified		There we go.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		You got it?
unidentified		You'll get better off now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		See, you don't want to come on the air and sound silly.
		And when the radio's going, you'll sound silly because you hear yourself six seconds.
unidentified		Right, and it's like, what the heck's going on here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
unidentified		You always wonder what's going on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, you're on, so what's on your mind?
unidentified		Well, I, you know, I listened to a bunch of the JC calls, and I really got a good kick out of that.
		And I was wondering, did he ever mention anything about the commandments.
		Of all things, I never actually heard him talk about the commandments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think he more or less accused me of breaking most of them without quite quoting them, but you are correct.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		And something that I did think was funny, the new Revelation, what happened to the old one?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		Where the heck did that go?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Don't ask me to comment on J.C.'s logic because I don't follow it.
		I appreciate your call, sir.
		Thank you.
		I never did quite follow his logic.
		J.C.'s God is a very angry, punishing God who would send you to hellfire and burn you eternally.
		That's J.C.'s God, a very fearful God indeed, not my God.
unidentified		But there's only one God, Art, and you're going to burn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wild Artline, you're on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is Matt from Madison, Wisconsin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, Matt.
unidentified		I'd like to talk about the Phoenix Lights and what Ed Dames had to say about them.
		All right.
		I've been listening to your program for about four or five months, and I frequently go to your AudioNet page on the web.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And there's a particular show from July 28th, 1997.
unidentified		About three and a half hours into the program, you receive a call from Jim De La Toso at Village Labs.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I was wondering if that is, in fact, who Ed Dames suspects to be the culprit of the hoax.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He didn't name anybody.
unidentified		He didn't name you.
unidentified		What are your opinions on that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About who it is?
		Yeah.
		I wouldn't say.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I mean, the libel law would prevent us from saying somebody did it.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And also, I certainly don't think Jim De La Toso is the one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jim De La Toso does not run a laser light show.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Oh, I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the way I recall it.
unidentified		Okay.
		I'd also like to ask you about the recent military plane crashes.
		What you think is going on with that?
		There was another one tonight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I knew, I would tell you.
unidentified		Okay, great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, I can't help you out.
		B-1 went down in Montana.
		It's been a very bad week for military aviation.
unidentified		I just went to Ellsworth Air Force Base a few months ago.
unidentified		Saw the B-1 flight line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And?
unidentified		Yeah, just a comment.
unidentified		That's pretty interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, well, thank you very much for the call.
		Yeah, I have no idea.
		I have no idea.
		Very, very, very bad luck for military aviation.
		Now, these things seem to go in cycles, both civilian and military aviation.
		And for a long time, everything is okay, and then suddenly the roof caves in.
		Why that occurs, I don't know.
		It's like life.
		The good and the bad all at once.
		Why?
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Hi.
unidentified		Well, hi, Art.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm in Ohio.
		Okay.
		And you know, I've been thinking about these lights up in the sky that everybody's been talking about.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You know what I think they are?
		What?
		If you think about it, Art, it has to be something with the earth underneath the earth.
		And when those little round lights glare up in the sky, you know, it has to be pressure from the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why does it have to be?
unidentified		Well, it has to be gas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why?
unidentified		Because that's just the way I feel about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean you think it's gas?
unidentified		Yeah, I do.
unidentified		I really do think that it's gas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it might be, it might be.
unidentified		And I really do think, Art, that in those parts of the world where they're seeing those things, those are going to be the parts that are going to have the worst earthquakes.
unidentified		Think about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I wouldn't rule that out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you're right about A, then you certainly might be right about B. I might.
unidentified		Now, are you ever going to have anyone on your program that does astronomical reports.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That does what?
unidentified		They're called professional astrologers and they do astronomical reports.
unidentified		You know, have you ever heard of those people?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean like when you call up and say, hi, I was born on so-and-so?
unidentified		No, no, no, no.
		This is a guy who does a chart.
		On what?
		On your whole, from the time you were born till the time you die.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
unidentified		Are you ever going to have anybody like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Never.
unidentified		Never?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I don't like it.
		It's kind of like, as I just said, people call up and say, well, I was born on so-and-so and so-and-so at such and such a place and time.
unidentified		There was one program that had it on there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm quite sure there is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot.
unidentified		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what it does?
unidentified		What is it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It bores the hell out of people.
unidentified		Does it really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it bores them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, if you're the one getting you get through and they read your chart, then it's very interesting for you and very boring for everybody else.
unidentified		You're right.
		That's a silly thing.
		That's a great guy, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate you, Call.
		Thank you.
		I was even hesitant about James von Prague.
		He is a very gifted psychic.
		But giving individual readings on the air, I have always thought to be a very non-productive, very uninteresting thing for everybody else except the one getting the reading.
		Now, when you're talking about psychics or visionaries like Gordon Michael Stallion, it's a horse of a different color.
		And that horse is coming up right after the news.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 19, 1997.
		Music playing in bright rhythm.
		Music playing in bright rhythm.
		I'm going to take my way.
		The one to take your baby.
		Premier Radio Networks presents Park Bell Somewhere in Time.
		Tonight's program originally aired September 19th, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, coming up in a moment, somebody I haven't heard from in a long, long time, Lord Michael Scallion.
unidentified		and he's got a lot to say you Now we take you back to the night of September 19th, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Here he is after a full year of not talking to him.
		Gordon Michael Scallion from New Hampshire, right, Gordon?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, it's good to hear your voice again.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Good talking to you, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As a matter of fact, I have got the large version, Gordon, of your future world map in my proud little spa room that I built for my rotten back.
		And it's very sobering to look at every day.
		Gordon, I know you're here for a very serious reason.
		I know you're not doing a lot of interviews.
		I know that you've been sort of out of it for about a year.
		So, first of all, tell the audience, if you would, why you've been kind of out of it for a year.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		There's so much energy that a person has.
		And the energy I'm speaking about is psychic energy, energy where you're tapped into a higher level of consciousness.
		I didn't understand what was happening to me.
		I know that in 96, I received nonstop visions for almost six weeks.
		I wasn't able to drive, wasn't able to do much of anything except allow these visions to happen.
		And they all pointed to 1998, which is not an unfamiliar year to me, as you know.
		That was the signal time for my predictions going back to 1979, indicating that between 98 and 2012, we would see a different world, both geophysically as well as spiritually.
		My hopes and thoughts were that as we become more aware, as the awakening expands, that we can alter this timeline, either modify it or reduce the events that I was seeing in the late 70s.
		So I was being prompted to try to complete a lifetime's work in a year, and that was to release the future map of the world and also to complete my new book, Notes from the Cosmos, which summarized all those predictions and gives the warning signs and tells how and why things are going to happen.
		And so I was being driven by that.
		At the same time, stimulating all my intuitive senses, it created massive physical problems with me, headaches, not being able to sleep well.
		And it wasn't until a good friend at the Edgar Casey Foundation sent me a letter with a sampling of a reading done for Edgar Casey where he was going through a similar thing and was told that if he did not stop or at least pace himself better that he would give up his life.
		He would literally die.
		He was unable to do so and he did die shortly thereafter.
		And seeing that reading allowed me to decide that I needed to literally withdraw, take a year off, complete only the book project and not take on any new things.
		Slowly but surely over the past year, I have gotten my vitality back.
		And then about six weeks ago, a new series of visions occurred, which prompted me to contact you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Do you know Daniel Brinkley?
		Do you know of him?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		No, I do not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		He is a very gifted psychic.
		He was struck by lightning.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Okay.
		I am familiar with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now all of a sudden, click, click.
		Daniel just had brain surgery.
		I went back to see him back east the other day.
		I spent a couple of days with him because he's in very critical condition.
		When he was struck by lightning, he too had visions.
		And I'm reminded of you because, and I think we ought to tell the audience your story a little bit because so many of them will be unfamiliar with what happened to you, Gordon.
		But there was a traumatic event that caused the beginning of all of this for you so long ago.
		So if you can give us the short version of Gordon's beginning, Psychic Visions 101, that would be great.
		How did it all begin for you?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It began in 1979, living in Florida.
		Actually, at that time, I was living on a sailboat and having a consulting business on land in the communications field.
		And one day, in the middle of a presentation, my voice box locked up, and it was like somebody had removed my awareness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		was a very important business presentation for you europe talk to a bunch of uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you were presenting that whole system to them?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		There were, yeah, there were two of the people who I had been through several meetings, and this was the final meeting, and this was the final presentation meeting, and it was pretty much of a shoe-in.
		It was a case of just going through the final formality.
		And the revenues from that particular sale would have enabled me to spend another six months sailing, because I would go out sailing for six months and then come back and work for six months.
		And right in the middle of the key point of the presentation, my voice just stopped.
		It was like someone had, like I said, had gone in and surgically removed my throat, my larynx.
		There was no pain, but there was also no guttural sound.
		I couldn't force wind from my lungs, for example, to make a grunting sound at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Must have scared the hell out of you.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		At first, it happened so fast, it was like no warning, that it was more of the look on the face of the purchasing agent.
		He turned white.
		And later I learned the reason is that just before that, a relative of his had had a stroke.
		And it was a very similar effect where he reached for his throat and chest and then fell to his knees.
		And so for him, I was replaying his worst nightmare.
		For me, I didn't know what was happening, but when I saw his face and him turning white in his reaction, then I panicked at that point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then it scared you.
		I understand.
		So there you were at the podium, not a word coming out.
		I take it they rushed you off to the hospital.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		They brought me to an emergency wing where an intern came out at the local hospital.
		They didn't rush me because it wasn't any kind of pain, but I could only write.
		So there was a period of five or ten minutes perhaps where they just sat me down, got me water, patted me on the back, rubbed my shoulders.
		They did call for emergency help.
		It took about seven minutes for them to get there.
		They did some really quick checks, looked at my eyes and see breathing.
		And by this time, I was probably more numb than anything, just not really knowing what was going on.
		And with that, half hour later, I was in the emergency room of a local hospital with two or three people looking over at me and checking me out.
		And so for the next hour, they were asking me questions and I couldn't respond.
		And another doctor would come in and look at me and they did an EKG on me.
		They did, took immediately, took some blood work, took an x-ray, and they kept asking me, are you all right?
		And I would write on a little piece of paper that I can't talk, I can't talk.
		You know, what's happening?
		What's wrong?
		And I felt that they were keeping something from me.
		But they didn't know what was wrong, as it turned out.
		So they admitted me for it and said, look, we're going to run some tests for you, and we're going to monitor you here, and we're going to keep somebody here.
		So for the next hour or two, I had people right with me, and nothing had changed.
		And so then probably around 10 o'clock or so, 10 p.m., they checked me into a room, and I was in a room by myself.
		And again, there were still some people there.
		They finally came in and doctor came in and said, look, we're going to run a whole series of tests.
		We're going to monitor you very closely here.
		And then they left.
		And so I was sitting there.
		By this time, I had calmed myself down.
		And the inputs I was getting from them is that they were going to have to run some tests.
		But I was hearing words like, have you been stressed?
		Do you have any, have you had headaches?
		And So the kind of phrases I was hearing between the doctors talking either with me or about me seemed to indicate to me that they were saying that this was more of a mental thing rather than a physical thing.
		That was the sense I was getting.
		So I had gone through the fact that I don't think it was a stroke.
		I didn't feel it was a stroke.
		But they were all pointing to psychological things because the questions kept coming up about that.
		Are you taking drugs?
		Do you drink?
		Are you stressed?
		Is there anything in your life that's a problem right now?
		Anything you want to tell us?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nothing like this had ever happened before.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Never.
		Never.
		I was, you know, I don't know if you've been sailing, but I had a 30-foot sailboat, and it's just a beautiful experience.
		It's the most stress-free experience that I can think about.
		And I was months at a time, you know, sailing to different islands.
		And, you know, I didn't lack for anything at all.
		So there was nothing that I could think of in my life that was wrong.
		But I sure was reflecting very heavily that night while I was in the hospital.
		And I was writing notes down because I said, I know in the morning that I'm going to be talking to some doctors, and I've got to write down all the things I'm thinking about.
		And they'll help them.
		And I'm trying to use my technical background.
		And then it really started at about 11.30 at night.
		That's when the phenomena really started.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Which was?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I was watching the news, local news, waiting for Johnny Carson to come on.
		And just as that McMahon got out and said, here's Johnny, at that moment, the room itself kind of lit up.
		There were sparks and glows of light.
		I describe it in some great detail in my book, but as a capsule of it, it was more of seeing lights, and these were purplish in color coming out of the doorway.
		So in the room on the right-hand side, there's a glass door where the nurse and doctors enter and exit and guess.
		And so I assumed that there was some kind of equipment out of the hall that was showing this light in.
		But as I was looking at this light, the light got brighter and brighter and brighter.
		And finally, the light was so bright that I could not see the door.
		At this point, I still think it's coming from the door.
		But all of a sudden, I look up, and now the room is a mass of a rainbow of colors.
		And their colors are, it's like a mist and a fog, and they're moving.
		And then all of a sudden, out of this mist, I start seeing pictures, strange symbols, almost hieroglyphic.
		And it was like watching 3D holographic images, because there were multiple scenes.
		And wherever I would look in the room, I would see a different scene.
		And at this stage, it's happening so fast that I am not fearful of this, but I have no idea what's going on.
		And I'm still thinking it's some kind of a phenomena.
		But it's so fascinating what I'm seeing.
		My consciousness doesn't lock in and say, wait a second, where is this coming from?
		Is this in my head or is this really happening?
		And just as I'm thinking that, a woman's face appears out of this mist, which is at the end of my bed.
		This is an elderly woman, perhaps in her 70s, looks like a school teacher I might have had when I was in first grade, had this silvery hair, and her lips are moving, and she's saying things, but I cannot hear her.
		At the same time I'm seeing her face, I'm seeing images now of ancient cities, and I'm seeing images of cities that seem to be in some form of disarray.
		I recognize some of the cities being New York and Los Angeles, and I catch those, but the rest of the cities, I'm not sure where they are.
		But they're in some form of disarray.
		I see buildings that are crumbled, and I also see images of strange flying craft, and I see comets in the sky.
		And, you know, the images are just non-stop.
		So it's like an arcade where all these machines are going off.
		Finally, I hear in my inner hearing, I hear what she's saying.
		And she says to me that what you're experiencing now is you have entered the time stream, and you are now a dream voyager.
		You are seeing lips of the past and the probable future.
		And remember these.
		And she just repeat that.
		And then she said a lot of other things.
		And I took notes down from what she said and some of the things that she said.
		She said, some of these things will happen very soon.
		Other things won't happen until you get into the year 1985.
		And then in South America, there will be an event in Mexico City that will start things going, that will change the world.
		And then 1998 will be a year where the greatest experiences that the planet has ever seen will occur.
		And remember these events.
		And this continued for 30 minutes exactly.
		Because at 12 o'clock, when they went to break, all the images disappeared as if somebody had turned a switch and went away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I take it you could monitor that or know that because there was a clock or because Johnny Carson went to break at midnight.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At that point, did your voice return?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I still didn't have it, but I never thought about my voice until the images stopped.
		There was a point in that scenario that was going on where I panicked, dug my heels in, backed up in the bed in kind of a terror, and then I had two IV bottles, one in each arm, and they began swinging.
		And as I went to reach for one, the nurse call button fell on the floor.
		I stabilized the two IV bottles, and I got through the event by thinking, I know what this is.
		This is the chemical they have in the IV bottles.
		This is what they're giving me, and I'm having some kind of a reaction to it.
		And that's how I got through that time period.
		But my voice was still gone.
		I then went to bed perhaps 20 minutes later, woke up in the morning, and immediately said, Wow, what a dream.
		What an effect.
		I remember it was the drugs.
		I'm having a chemical reaction.
		And then I looked over at my notepad, and here it was.
		I had like pages of notes about the event.
		I said, oh, God.
		I said, this wasn't a dream.
		This is a hallucination.
		And then with that, the nurse came in and she says, oh, how are you doing, Mr. Scallion?
		And I answered her with a clear voice.
		And she looked at the chart and she said, I thought you couldn't speak.
		And I said, I was dumbfounded.
		I just said, I guess I'm okay.
		Can I leave now?
		I just wanted to go.
		She says, well, the doctor will be in here real soon and he'll check you out.
		And so he came in and I proceeded to talk to him.
		I said to him, I said, by the way, I said, what was in those IVs?
		And he said, well, you came in.
		You were very dehydrated.
		So we had to give you glucose.
		So there was nothing in there.
		And then I really sank.
		My stomach just sank because I then felt that there was something really mentally going on with me.
		And then he said, we're going to give you some tests today, and then I might have you see a specialist.
		As soon as he said the word specialist, the bell that went off of my head was not an eyes, ears, and nose specialists.
		He was really talking about a psychiatrist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		So I went through all the tests, and then at the end, they said, we can't find anything, but we're going to suggest that you go see this doctor who indeed was a psychiatrist.
		And so I was checked out of the hospital.
		And then when I went out of the hospital midday sometime, I looked outside, and everything looked different.
		The colors that I saw was different, and I was seeing colors around people.
		Yeah.
		Well, I didn't know what they were at the time, but the first thing I saw was this dog.
		I remember clearly, it was an Irish steader dog playing with his owner, and I could see the different colors.
		And so I went back in the hospital.
		I said, wait a second, I said, I can't drive.
		I said, I know I had to over my voice.
		I said, but now I've got to over my eyes.
		I said, you really need to, I can't drive.
		And I was almost getting panicky.
		So they then sent me to another place.
		They had to wait another couple of hours.
		They gave me an eye exam.
		They said there was nothing wrong with my eyes other than I was a little nearsighted.
		And then they said, look, you really need to see this other doctor.
		So I went out.
		I did see the doctor.
		And he said, well, he says, we're going to have to spend some time with you here on this.
		And so I began a series of sessions.
		And after the second session, I knew that this was not a path that I wanted to go on exploring because he was in total denial of what I was saying.
		And I said, I think we should look at these notes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
		It's going to be the very last thing that he's going to think.
		Gordon, we're at the bottom of the hour, so hang tight.
		We'll be right back.
		My guest is Gordon Michael Scallion from New Hampshire.
		And we'll be back in a moment.
		There's a lot ahead.
		Stay right where you are.
		I'm Mark Bell, and this is Coast to Coast AM.
unidentified		You think Mark Bell, somewhere in time, on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 19, 1997.
		I don't hear you asking me what's coming wrong.
		I don't hear you asking me what's coming wrong.
		Don't say that you love me.
		Just tell me that you love me.
		I don't hear you asking me what's coming wrong.
		Thank you.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and I'm back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And in a moment, Gordon Michael Scallion is back.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, back now to Gordon Michael Scallion in New Hampshire.
		So, anyway, Gordon, and I spoke to you for a second during the break about Daniel Brinkley.
		He had visions very similar to yours, has them.
		As a matter of fact, he regarded them as sort of a half curse, half blessing, as much of a curse as a blessing at times, so overwhelming.
		He would literally hear what people were thinking, see visions.
		He was unable to stop them or moderate them, particularly shortly after the incident.
		And the incident, though different, is very much like yours, extreme trauma.
		And Daniel lies close to death in a hospital bed this morning, and you don't.
		You moderated yourself somehow.
		And if he lives through this, he's going to have to learn to do the same thing or he's not going to make it.
		Would you have any advice for somebody like that?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It's a hard thing.
		Reading Edgar Casey's source reading on this particular subject gave me great courage to do something different, something that Edgar was unable to do at the time.
		When you're seeing things that are affecting not only people you know, but people you don't know, and then on a planetary scale seeing things, it acts as an incredible responsibility to, unless you try to go into denial, which I did do for a couple of years.
		But once you look at this, you have a choice.
		The choice is that you can probably go into drinking or go into drugs, do whatever you can to stop these events.
		They help you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you try that, by the way?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't.
		I've never been able to do either of those things.
		As soon as this event happened to me, 24 hours later, my whole diet changed.
		I wasn't able to eat or drink or do any of the things that I would have done even socially.
		So it's like something altered.
		My whole makeup, my whole cellular structure began to change immediately.
		And it proceeded that way for almost a year with constant changes, especially in my sensory abilities to sense things and to smell.
		All of my senses were heightened, plus senses that I didn't even know I had.
		So when you start looking at all that stuff and you start getting this kind of material, then you want to do something.
		It's like you have a vision and you're seeing a train wreck, for example.
		Your first impulse is denial, that this is not going to happen, this is just some kind of fantasy.
		Then if you allow the event to happen, as my case was, I allowed several events to happen before I did anything about it, then you feel this deep guilt and remorse for not having taken some kind of an action.
		And then in my particular case, I grew up with a very strong Catholicism background.
		And church was a daily experience for me growing up.
		And so, you know, I began to search for things in my background that would explain this to me.
		Everything from the devil on one side to God on the other side.
		I swung the pendulum back and forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about your own sanity?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you question it yourself?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The first three months of the experience, the doctors I had visited pretty much convinced me that there was a loose cug, that I had a problem.
		And the only thing that kept me at least from making that commitment to them to, I mean, they were suggesting, well, maybe we should go on some kind of medication.
		And I'm saying, you know, there really is nothing that's wrong with me.
		I just want you to keep looking at these notes.
		And they would never once look at those notes.
		And I would look at them, and then I would see events happening.
		And I would say, well, look, I told you, look at the notes.
		Look, this happened.
		And they said, that's not the issue.
		We really need to go back in your life.
		So finally, after three months of that, I said, this is not going to work.
		I need to explore someplace else.
		And I decided to put my technical hat on and literally do my own research work.
		And I spent the next year and a half exploring alternative, you know, started reading and visiting alternative practitioners.
		And finally, I did get somebody who was willing to look at those notes, very gifted dream analyst.
		It was suggested that perhaps I was having just dreams.
		Perhaps these were like daydreams.
		And so we began dream journal work.
		And then one day she came and plus she was an MD first, and she was a psychiatrist, but she was also a dream analyst.
		And so one day she said, tell me about your dream.
		And I told her this very detailed dream.
		And she said, well, she says, let's try something new now.
		She says, why don't you tell me what the dream means?
		And I said, well, I don't know how to do that.
		She says, just do it.
		And within the next half hour, what I thought was a half hour, I analyzed the dream.
		As it turned out, it was several hours.
		And she never said a word.
		And she says, I don't know where this is coming from.
		She says, but she says, not only is it the way I would have approached it, she says, but you've uncovered things that I would not have even thought about.
		And she said, let me work with these notes.
		And that was my first encouragement, that something, there was another realm to the world of mind, that mind was more than we think it is.
		And it was my first ray of hope.
		And now my next path was, what am I going to do with this information that I'm seeing, especially these things that are going to come up in 1985, and my next date was 1989, and then the magic year 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You still, you know, it's entirely possible, Gordon, that you did suffer a physical brain trauma that they didn't pick up on.
		If there's anything they don't know a whole lot about, it's our brain.
		And you may not have had a stroke in the classic sense, but I'm sure you have not ruled out the possibility that there was some physical, actual physical change that occurred in your brain at that moment.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It's totally possible, and because I know that at that time, you know, I didn't go through an endocrinologist.
		You know, there was no CAT scan.
		There was no x-rays, and there were blood workup, and there were things like that, and the normal tests that they would do.
		So anything was possible.
		In fact, in the early days, it would have been a preferable answer for me.
		I could have accepted almost anything that was a physical thing going on.
		That would have made my life a whole lot easier because I could have hung on to something.
		I could say, okay, maybe they can fix this thing.
		But then they were saying it was my mind.
		And then the question is, well, how do you fix a mind?
		and they're saying years and years of therapy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Therapy, of course.
		Very expensive, too.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I went through all of my savings in about a year.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you did?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		It was thousands upon thousands of dollars that I had spent.
		And then I began liquidating things so that I could explore the alternative.
		I wasn't able to work because while the visions happened that night, they didn't happen again until perhaps another, oh, maybe it was six months to a year after that point when they returned.
		But they would return as flashes.
		And then over the next, by up to 1982, these flashes then emerged where I was seeing something very similar that I was seeing into the hospital.
		So it was like I had this massive release of energy.
		And then over the next several years, very slowly, little things would happen.
		And I would see a fragment of a vision.
		And then after several months, the fragments would kind of string together a few seconds long.
		And then by 1982, the same thing that was happening in the hospital was happening in my awake state.
		I could be sitting down reading or listening to music, and they would start.
		And then I then began to work with, is there a way of controlling this?
		Because it got to the point where I couldn't drive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what I was going to ask.
		Was there any way to control it, or did it just come on irresistibly without any way to lessen it or stop it?
		In other words, totally uncontrollable?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Uncontrollable.
		Up until 1982, it would just happen at the most unopportune times.
		It would just happen.
		And then in 1982, through the meeting of a doctor, or two gentlemen came to see me, and I didn't know at the time, but one of them was a doctor.
		And came, and these were men probably in their late 60s or 70s and dressed in business suits.
		And they sought me out and said that they were given my name.
		And I kept saying, well, who gave you my name?
		Nobody knows who I am or where I am.
		And they said, well, we know that you can do things.
		We know that you can communicate with spirit.
		And I said, I have no idea what you're talking about.
		Because I didn't know the language.
		I only knew that I was having these experiences.
		And I certainly wasn't telling anybody about it.
		Especially, you know, my family knew nothing about this, nor did anybody.
		The only people who knew anything about this up until 82 were people who were that I was paying money to.
		The physicians and the practitioners and the counselors.
		He kept encouraging me, and he probably was the catalyst for developing a kind of control because he sat down with me and he said, look at it, he says, my friend here has got a problem.
		He says, I know if you just hold his hand and you do this and this and this, you'll be able.
		And I said, I had no idea what he was talking about.
		And I really just wanted them to leave.
		But, you know, one of the men looked just so tired and frail, and the other one had so much compassion that neither of them represented a threat to me.
		It's just that my own personal ego was being shaken.
		The thought that somehow I could help somebody where I was at the point where I said, I'm seeing things that I can't control, I can't stop, I can't help myself, I certainly can't help anyone else.
		And through his prodding, over the next half hour or so, I was able to turn a vision on that would indicate something that was functional for him.
		And it was my first medical Edgar Casey-style diagnostics.
		And then we learned how to, over a period of the next several months, we learned how to induce deep hypnotic trance states where the creator of all of this imagery that I get resides.
		And it was there that we were able to do so.
		So to me, it was, I can't save the world, but maybe I can make a difference in a few people's lives.
		And then we did well over 10,000 of these sessions between 82 up until 91.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What did you perceive was wrong with that man?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		He was, I kept seeing pools of mercury and little vessels of mercury, and I kept seeing visions of a laboratory, which I assume was a dental laboratory because it had teeth on it.
		And as it turns out, he was a technician who had worked in this laboratory in a New England city for 30-some years.
		And what he had developed was some form of a mercury poisoning.
		The exposure to this over time was totally actually causing him to die.
		And they had been to doctors, he had been everywhere, and they simply said that you've got some kind of a problem with the immune system that we can't, we don't understand what it is, and we don't know what it's about.
		And his friend, who brought this man, kept saying, my friend here is dying.
		And so I said mercury and I said the teeth and I said, and he said, well, now he says, what can we do about it?
		And then my next series of visions showed different things that he could take.
		And it was mostly herbs.
		And there were two or three items that I didn't even know what the names were.
		And he wrote them down and he left.
		And on the way out of the door, I said, you really need to go see a doctor.
		You don't need someone like me.
		I said, I don't know what I'm talking about.
		And he looked at me and he put his hand on my shoulder and patted me lovingly.
		And he said, son, I am a doctor.
		He says, this is my.
		And three months later, they came back and his cheeks were rosy and he was healthy.
		He says, he's cured.
		And he says, thank you.
		And he says, we're going touring.
		We're taking the rest of our life off.
		And they went off to Europe, and that was the last I saw of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then you did, how many of these between 82 and 81?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		We were doing about six a day, seven days a week, between 82 and 91.
		And then there were some larger groups that we did, like once a month, we'd do a very large group where we might have 50 people, and we would simply go around the room for a one-question kind of a response.
		I was limited to no more than about 45 minutes in an altered state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was going to ask, even then, was it taking a physical toll then?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		No.
		No.
		In fact, there were some benefits to me at that time.
		I was sleeping better.
		The headaches went away.
		The daily headaches from 1979, that first experience, up until the time I started working with people, the main pressure headaches went away and my health just rebounded.
		And I was warned at the time that I should limit this, but the list would get longer and longer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hard to refuse.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and then by 89, I had totally exceeded by 100% what my inner guidance had very specifically said to do on this thing.
		And said certain times of the month that I shouldn't do it, certain times of the year with certain key lunar and solstices, I shouldn't do it.
		There was a whole regiment that I should do.
		There's certain things I should eat.
		And I just wasn't following that.
		And so by 1989, I started really noticing changes.
		And then by 91, I had an abrupt change.
		It was like everything came to a halt.
		It was like I couldn't stop.
		So some part of my consciousness simply said, that work is through.
		This is your next amount of work.
		And so those stopped.
		And instead of seeing individuals, I only saw the Earth as a living entity.
		And I began seeing the same kind of physical problems with people I was seeing in the Earth.
		And this was like a whole new thing to me.
		With people, there's a possibility for change.
		If somebody comes, if you can say, you know, just stop eating this and your headaches will go away.
		Or stop thinking this and your headaches will go away.
		That's something you can control.
		But you look at something, the scale of the Earth, you know, going through these changes and the warning signs that were, you know, talked about how by the time we got to the late mid to late 90s that the oceans were going to boil, the temperatures were going to, the oceans were going to exceed and the Antarctic was going to start melting and the Caribbean would become active with volcanoes and the Philippines.
		And it was all these things.
		It was like, well, how do you fix that?
		I mean, how do you do that?
		And I didn't know how to do that.
		I just didn't know.
		I felt like I had gone back to the day after I had lost my voice.
		That took me up to 1991 at that point.
		And at that point, a whole new series of kind of visions occurred about what we could do then and every year, other things we could do, right up into the year 1998.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		That's a good place to break.
		It'll be a good long break, so relax, and when we get back, we'll get into the meat of this.
		Gordon Michael Scallion is my guest, and I have long said, if there is a real McCoy, then you are listening to the real McCoy.
		That's Gordon Michael Scallion.
		I think that's what I said the last time I had him on.
		He'll be back after the top of the hour.
		We'll be joined then by Los Angeles, and I will give you a warning now that what you are about to hear, you may find very disturbing.
		If you have children listening, I would suggest you exercise your own parental judgment and control and possibly have them leave the room.
		And as a matter of fact, even you, if you're disturbed, twist the dial.
unidentified		From the high desert, this is Coast to Coast AM.
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		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 19, 1997.
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		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 19th, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is Gordon Michael Scallion.
		It's been a long time since we've heard from him.
		And we'll get back to him in a moment.
		And it's going to get pretty serious.
		So, the eternal warning.
		This is serious stuff coming up.
		It may disturb some people.
		If you're disturbed by this sort of thing, please tune out.
		please get children out of the room.
unidentified		Shhh!
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of September 19th, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, all right.
		Gordon Michael Scullion has told us pretty much the story of how his psychic ability began, how his intuitive sense began, with a physical, what I believe to have been a physical change in his brain where he literally lost his voice, then over a period of years began to have the ability to diagnose medical problems in people.
		He saw auras.
		I'm remembering, Gordon, a couple of other things you said.
		You said there was a period when you saw in the colors, geometric shapes.
		Do you recall that?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah, the whole experience in the hospital was 30 minutes, and I go into some detail in notes from the Cosmos describing that.
		But in essence, you're right.
		They were shapes.
		They were formulas.
		Some symbols I understood.
		There were other shapes, not just triangles, but they were dimensional shapes like pyramids back to back or a triad back to back.
		And it was almost as if they were, this was some kind of a language is what I felt it was at the time.
		Later learned that's exactly what it was.
		I was literally being awoken to tapping into the universal consciousness where language is not as we know it necessarily.
		Language can be mathematics, it could be color, it could be sound, it could be anything.
		And so I was being shown all of that as a preparation work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so we rush forward now to the 90s, and then I remember in one of our old interviews that you said you began to see things.
		A good analogy would be that there would be three television screens, one on each side, one in the center, and that one would be brighter than the other with regard, when you began to see whole Earth visions, one would be brighter than the other or more likely to occur than the other two.
		Not ruling out the other two, but the one that was brightest with the most contrast in color would be the one that would be the most likely path that would occur unless something intervened, some change occurred.
		Is that about right?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		That's exactly right.
		And the fidelity of the color would indicate something to me.
		The grayness of the color would indicate something entirely different.
		The brighter the colors, the more intense the colors, the sharper the images.
		That was the most probable reality.
		The grays, washed out colors, would indicate that they were, it was a, it was probably, you know, that was not going to be the path.
		It was always three.
		I never saw two.
		I never saw one.
		It was always three.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you always interpreted those to be possibilities.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		It was like looking at if the path continues this way, like if I looked at somebody back in those days and I saw a grayness to them, it would indicate to me that if you don't change, then the outcome is going to be this, which you will get sick and maybe even pass over.
		I could see that person a month later and look at those visions again and it may change.
		So with individuals, it was really they had a lot of control over their life.
		So that's when I learned that nothing is predestined, that it's only when the collective consciousness decides something or the individual consciousness decides something that determines what we might call fate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, I recall a series of visions that you had that, of course, I've got to ask you about.
		And we were talking then about earth changes with regard to earthquakes and tectonic movement.
		And you were talking about the Ring of Fire then.
		And you were predicting at that time that if a series of four earthquakes, I believe, occurred four times, they would begin a cataclysmic event on the west coast, culminating in a series of increasingly large earthquakes that would be the beginning of the earth change map that you were talking about.
		And I recall, Gordon, distinctly that we went through those four earthquake cycles, I think, twice or even almost three times, almost three times, and it did not quite complete.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
		It was a four quake scenario.
		There were a total of 12 scenarios, 12 possibilities.
		Ten of the 12 occurred.
		Two did not.
		The magnitude releases on the last cycle was predicted, I predicted, would exceed eight.
		And they fell short.
		They fell down into the sixth range, and they never reached it.
		So the very last cycle didn't happen.
		And so for me, it was a relief.
		It was like, okay, we've bought some more time.
		Something had changed in the scenario.
		And maybe that change was the Earth healers that were out there, the groups that were out there.
		Because everywhere I look, I could see consciousness increasing.
		I could see this, as you call it, quickening.
		I could see this all happening every day.
		And I see the best of both worlds happening.
		I feel like we're in a polarized planet now, where there's one group that's striving for the best and the wholeness, the oneness.
		And then the old guard, which is still holding on to power and control.
		And it's almost like this battle is going on right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		About six weeks ago, you had a new series of visions.
		And I guess we should get to those.
		What happened?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		We need to back up just a tad on that.
		Set this up so that it can be understood.
		A year ago, when I decided that I had to withdraw, I had to really take care of my health because the headaches were returning again like they were in the late 70s.
		And it really scared me.
		At this stage, I knew what was going on.
		Back then, I didn't know.
		And so I canceled all of my conferences and things that I was doing.
		And my inner guidance was that what I really needed to do is to not do anything for a year.
		In the process of that year of not doing anything, I began to see a series of visions for the time period of 98 to 2012.
		Now these were nothing new that I hadn't already published, but I was beginning to see the timeline more specifically.
		And that was something new, because the timeline was always kind of broad.
		It was everything up into 98 was warning signs that I was given.
		Watch for these warning signs.
		And then from 98 to 2012 was when I saw new maps of the world with a high probability of that by the turn of the century here we would see some of the major ones occurring.
		And so I began to take the very specifics of what I was seeing and I decided that the last thing that I wanted to complete in my life, and I said, if this thing doesn't get better, if these headaches don't go away, if I've done everything I needed to do and it's time for me to work at another level, so be it.
		But I decided that what I really needed to do is to put it down in writing.
		So I spent that year, I spent up until six weeks ago, writing that down and completing it.
		And I put it all in a book, which I titled Notes in the Cosmos.
		And it explained the things that we've talked about tonight, but it also explained the mechanisms.
		And specifically, in the past six weeks, the mechanisms that one of the things that was really loud and clear before the six-week time period was that there was indications that instead of being on the outset,
		like let's say this thing might happen in 2005 or 2010 or maybe 2012, like some of the Maya calendar predictions, I was seeing a timeline that indicated that it moved up substantially.
		It moved up to the time period of 98 to 1999 within a 12-month time period.
		And that really disturbed me because I was hopeful that there was a shift and that this thing was going to be much later.
		And I was told six weeks ago to watch for the following things to happen.
		As you know, we've talked about this before.
		I had predicted that El Niños would return and they would stay longer and be more severe.
		And also, the Caribbean was one of the areas that we really had to watch for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember you said watch Mount Surat.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And so back in 93 when we were warning about, in 94, about to watch the Caribbean, watch Mount Surratt, and also watch the Pacific and watch Antarctica for a melting.
		Those were more things to watch for, and those were like the final things.
		In my visions, there was nothing else after that.
		In other words, it's like throughout the 80s, I would always get the next stage.
		And then I could say, okay, watch for these things, and then the next stage will start.
		Well, the past, six weeks ago, I released my book, and the visions ended.
		In other words, there were no more.
		There was nothing further to come, which to me was saying that the three visions that I would see, the colorful one that would be the most probable reality, the next one might, well, all of a sudden there was only one.
		The other two had gone.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Had gone altogether?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Entirely.
		And that's something that is not part of my belief system, because I believe and always believe that even at the 11th hour, you know, we can bring a vision back.
		And I still believe that that's possible.
		But I can only state what I see.
		As a futurist, my function is to state what I see and don't color it.
		And it lives by what I publish.
		You put it out there, you don't manipulate it, you simply state what it is.
		Some people will get angry about it.
		Other people will say, how can we change it?
		And other people won't believe it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think that the fact that you're only seeing one vision now indicates that the other probabilities have faded to the point that there's very little chance they will occur?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Unfortunately, every day I wrestle with that.
		I fight with that.
		My sense is, and the fact that I'm not seeing anything further after that point, I mean, they're totally gone, any further visions about these things.
		It just tells me that we are very, very close now.
		And the reality was that the things that I published last year and this year, and actually somebody's, you know, back 10 years ago, all funneled into this end of 1997 was like a critical threshold year to watch for.
		And the big thing was that what was causing all this stuff?
		Why are these things happening and why now only one vision?
		And the last vision that I saw six weeks ago was a deep trans vision.
		We hadn't done these for years, literally, because I haven't had to.
		It's been more of a case where I could sit at my word processor and I would simply enter the collective stream and it was easy.
		But we decided six weeks ago, because of a series of dreams, to do one of these deep trance sessions that we used to do back in the 80s.
		And Cynthia, my wife, was the conductor.
		And in it, we had some specific questions.
		She wanted to know about my health.
		Was it getting better?
		The answer was, yes, that I was out of the woods, that I had done the right thing, that it was hard to do, but it was the right thing to do.
		And then she asked this other question.
		It wasn't planned that she was going to ask this question.
		It was really planned about my health.
		And she said, is there anything you can tell us that we should tell people or anything that would be of importance to anything, to anybody?
		And the response was that an event had happened, and this would have been mid-July.
		And it said, it sets into motion a change now that will unfold.
		In other words, it wasn't saying that things might be different.
		It was saying that something happened.
		Something happened around the 15th, 16th of July.
		And that at that time frame, we'd give and take a few days, set into motion a whole bunch of things.
		And then she said, well, what is that?
		And my trans source said, the poles have shifted.
		Have?
		Have.
		That there had been a shift internal to the core of the Earth.
		The internal core of the Earth relative to the outer mantle had shifted.
		It said this is the third one.
		One had happened between the years of 1934 and 1936, it said.
		It said the second one happened between 78 and 80, all being very minor in nature.
		But they said the one in July would be considered twice as much of a shift.
		And it said that that would then do the following.
		It said that you would see massive meltoffs would be again to occur.
		The water temperatures would rise substantially.
		Now, we already had predicted that we would see a major El Nino return, so that wasn't surprising.
		But it said that we would be looking at double-digit increases in the ocean and that it would follow by magnetic devices failing, especially things that control things that would be in the atmosphere, in particular, the higher atmosphere, satellites, aircraft.
		That there would be spurious radiations that would come out as high pulses, only for a millisecond or two milliseconds would be released.
		But if an object like a satellite or an airplane was in the vicinity, and anything was stressed on the electronic circuitry, that you would start to see failures.
		So we would start seeing those kind of communication breakdowns, airplane breakdowns, things of that nature.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		can i stop you for a second and tell you something gordon last week while broadcasting uh...
		particularly unusual call i lost my style I've got a satellite KU band up link here.
		You're a ham, so you know what I'm talking about.
		I went in there.
		I got a call from the network saying you're off the air.
		I said, all right, let me go check.
		Panicked, of course, and I ran in the other room, and I looked, and every sync light on my transmitter was out.
		And I told the network, my transmitter is dead as a doornail.
		It has internally hemorrhaged and died.
		Something is really gone.
		I mean, it's just flat off the air.
		And they checked by modem, and sure enough, they agreed with me at the network.
		My transmitter was dead.
		It turned out, Gordon, that GE AmeriCom in New Jersey, and we're on a brand new satellite, GE1, right now as we speak, we're on GE1.
		According to GE AmeriCom, it had lost Earth lock for some unknown reason, and 50 of 200 channels had simply gone off the air.
		It is still an insufficient explanation as far as we are concerned, but in all the years of my broadcasting, I have never seen anything like this occur.
		In other words, my transmitter was showing it was dead because it was no longer seeing a satellite.
		The satellite virtually had turned or lost Earthlock or had received some kind of pulse and went away, Gordon, for about 45 minutes, gone.
		Is that the kind of failure you're talking about?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It could be.
		Like you, I have a technical background, so I tend to look for the very obvious things that would fail, you know, such as this human error, you know.
		So phenomena in electronics only means that you haven't found the circuit that's failed or the problem.
		However, what I did see and what I believe is that these pulses that are going out, any system that is stressed, I mean, most electronic things work very reliably today.
		Transistors will last for long time periods.
		But a lot of parts, a lot of components in a satellite or an airplane, there's literally thousands and thousands of components.
		And many of those components are working, but they're barely working.
		In other words, they're maybe out of tolerance, but they still work because of the design.
		But you put a stress on them, like heat or magnetic disturbances or energy waves that at least the public is not aware of, and you subject them to those things, then you get these failures.
		That's what I think we've been seeing all week with these crashes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Military crashes, more military crashes than we've seen in years.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And it could be something that may have happened with your satellite, or it could be something very logical like a human error.
		But the coincidences today, statistically, are such that we have to question that something else is going on.
		I am totally amazed.
		I'm amazed that we're looking at the news at night, and we're seeing 10, 12 degrees of rise in ocean temperature.
unidentified		Yeah, we'll pick up on that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're at the bottom here.
		I've got a break.
		So we'll be right back.
		Gordon Michael Scuyan is my guest, and we will be back.
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		Tonight's program originally aired September 19, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest is Gordon Michael Scallion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Prepare yourself.
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unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of September 19th, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Art Bell Since we last talked to Gordon Michael Scallion a year ago, the Montserrat volcano has erupted violently several times.
		Scientists are now talking about the possibility of a catastrophic eruption on Montserrat.
		There is an evacuation underway.
		The Larson Ice Shelf in the Antarctic is, scientists assure us, about to crack off, literally crack off, and fall into the ocean.
		Water temperatures off the west coast, I read to you the latest from NASA here a little while ago.
		They have just done some recent measurements.
		And they are finding now that the size of the El Niño is roughly one and one-half times the size of the entire continental U.S. That's according to NASA on Monday.
		In addition in the Antarctic, we're finding now changes in the DNA of simple-celled creatures, actual genetic change.
		We have a lot of frogs and other creatures that are exhibiting terrible malformations.
		We have fisteria off the east coast of the U.S., as far north as Maryland, which is beginning to give fish open bleeding sores, and now human beings the same thing.
		So much of what you have said is coming, Gordon, is not in the future, but it is beginning to occur right now.
		Your view of the El Niño, I think, is somewhat different than the normal four-year cyclical view of El Niño.
		Is that correct?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I believe it is a pattern, but typically El Niño used to appear around Christmas time, thus the name El Niño, and it would only last for a short time period, and then the cycle would go on.
		I believe that the cycle is triggered by planetary influences, specifically Mars and Uranus.
		I think that there are the forces that, kind of like a flywheel, that hits the planet, and if conditions are in a certain way, it causes disturbances in the core.
		If you watch all the television shows and go to all the websites and see everything about El Niño, you won't find what the cause of it is.
		You'll see some speculation from time to time that it's global warming.
		So if you're in the global warming camp, this is another sign that says, you know, we have failed as a society, and therefore we're paying the price for it.
		And while I believe that global warming is a major problem, I don't believe it is the root cause of it.
		The root cause, I believe, is there has been a disturbance to the core of the Earth, and that disturbance has displaced magma.
		And the magma, wherever it's the thinnest, which is typically at the ocean depth, breaks through, and the heat wants to get out, and so it's going to move up through the ground or the water.
		It also has undersea conduits that can travel for thousands of miles.
		And at the same time, it accentuates the stability of the Earth.
		So what we're seeing is magma being disturbed, being forced to the surfaces, and all of this is part of a pole shift, which I believe has already begun.
		It's not something that's going to happen someday.
		It's already begun.
		There will eventually be a series of events where you will say, oh, today we had a pole shift.
		But in life, it doesn't happen that way.
		There's always a beginning to things that are happening.
		It builds up a crescendo, and then something happens, and that's when we recognize it.
		Of course, we're seeing the precursor activity right now with Del Nino.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's interesting you mentioned July 15th and 16th.
		You're a ham.
		Have you been active in the last year or two?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Unfortunately, in the past year, I have not.
		I don't think I've been on a half a dozen times.
		I've spent so much time trying to complete the book that I have not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
		All right.
		Here's the reason I ask.
		We have been at a low point in the solar cycle.
		About July, middle of July, Gordon, that began to change.
		They detected in July, I believe, a polarity shift in the sun's box, and we began to climb finally.
		We're now over 100 the last time I checked solar count.
		And I wonder if there could be any relationship to that change on the sun and what might be going on with the Earth.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm just looking for this passage that I wrote.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And in it, what I explain is that the triggering effect for the pole shift will occur as the polarity of the sun adjusts itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		This is in my book, Notes on the Cosmos.
		And I said when that occurs, the reaction almost immediately will be magnetic disturbances and instability in the Earth.
		So, you know, this is part of what the progressional cycle.
		The driving forces behind all of this is natural cycles.
		The Earth going through precession.
		You know, it's a 23,000 to 26,000 year cycle that it moves through.
		And when it does, every time the precession cycle gets at the far extremes, we have an altering of a magnetic field, and it begins on the sun.
		The sun being the most powerful presence we have.
		Moon is closer, but the sun is obviously the power generator, and this is the cause of these things, I believe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think is going to happen?
		In other words, so far, we see these incredible temperature builds, 10 to 12 degrees.
		They're beginning to catch fish up in the state of Washington.
		They ought not ever catch there.
		They're seeing tropical fish around the Golden Gate Bridge.
		Even in the Atlantic, tropical fish are moving into the North Atlantic.
		I mean, there's some really weird stuff beginning to occur.
		Where is it going?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		We're going to see this is not going to slow down or stop at all.
		It's going to accelerate.
		In fact, when we get into December, we're going to see some massive things.
		Starting this month, we're going to see massive winds.
		You know, we've been seeing tornadoes in strange places, but we're going to see a lot more of that.
		And we're going to see the jet stream is going to be altered as a result of all this.
		We're going to see a lot of magnetic instability.
		And then it's going to culminate in anything that's stressed on the planet, which is tectonic areas, anywhere in the ring of fire, which runs right up, of course, the San Andreas in California up to Alaska.
		We're going to see anything that's already stressed, they're going to be the first to release itself.
		I have been waiting for activities to occur in Italy.
		There's been a lot of small, multiple quakes, but nothing of significant release that would concern me.
		Mount Surratt does concern me.
		It concerns me because it tells me that the disturbances or the two areas that I said to watch for, which was the Antarctic and the Caribbean, those are now active.
		So it tells me that we have entered the final stages.
		And it will culminate in the poles, the magnetic poles, deviating or changing.
		And this will happen abruptly, a series of stages, or seven degrees per each of these stages, and a westerly movement.
		So if you were looking at your compass in real time, you would see the needle literally changing from a north direction more towards westerly.
		And it would do this about three times so that your compass, you know, if you're in the somewhere in latitude 40 degrees in our northern hemisphere, you would see the compass pointing more towards Hawaii, you know, in that direction.
		And it will alter weather immediately.
		Weather patterns will change in a matter of minutes, hours at the outset.
		So where it's been cold, it'll be warm.
		One of the things that last visions that I saw was I saw in very fast time the complete meltoff of the Antarctic.
		And I could see land, and I could see, not only could I see land, but I could see structures.
		They were old, old, they reminded me of Celtic structures.
		And I could actually see them.
		And then I watched the ocean levels just rising very rapidly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Obviously, then a lot of land is going to go underwater.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, there's a, you know, the coastlines obviously will change.
		And this has happened before.
		I believe in cycles.
		I believe that there is a reason for things.
		And I think man can work with these cycles or against them.
		And I think that we allowed our technology to work against us instead of for us.
		And so I think the cycle has been accelerated.
		And while I think these things would happen if man wasn't even present, I think they're going to be more severe and they're going to happen much quicker.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But we haven't learned, Gordon.
		I was just in the Carolinas on the East Coast and where Hurricane Hugo took away all the homes, just wiped them flat gone.
		There are now brand new homes right on the coast, right on the ocean, just waiting, if not for another hurricane, then the first thing that would bring any rise in the water at all, and they're again going to be completely gone.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, waterfront property has high value regardless of what's happened to it before, unless it's radioactive.
		And we're very technological and clever people.
		We can put the financial packages together to rebuild and sell those things and remortgage them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And as long as we're willing to bail out mass problems, we will continue to do these kind of things.
		It'll eventually come to the point where the money will not be there to do that.
		The number of crises and the amount of money being poured into natural disasters is already unprecedented.
		If we look at the last couple of years, it's just like it's unfathomable how much money has gone.
		And we're not even at what I call it level two yet, of a scale of one to 100.
		We're just the beginning stages.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you must not be the only one who knows because insurance companies are beginning to stop underwriting, refusing to underwrite in a lot of cases, and I can only presume they must know something.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm in contact with a lot of people who are at the top levels of either government or of major insurance companies.
		And many of them are a longtime clients of mine.
		In fact, when I used to do the consulting work, so through the years we've made this contact.
		And so I have privy to some inside information.
		And while it's confidential as far as who, I can talk in generalities and it's well known and this is why they've made the changes.
		There's an area here I'd like to explore, not explore, I'd like to just address.
		Sure.
		And it's the area of fear.
		I just received a fax from our call center and they're receiving, as we speak, hundreds of phone calls that are just coming in.
		And the big thing is there's a lot of fear generated.
		And I know last time we were on the show, we had that same situation.
		And what I try to do is how do you be factual and share what you know without scaring people?
		It's like offering an alternative.
		What do you do?
		How do you fix something like this?
		I tried my best to do that by putting down all of my experiences, what I see happening, and what these options are.
		I've made that available with absolutely no profit to our company or me whatsoever.
		It's simply something that I want to make available for people.
		And with your permission, I'd like to mention it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The year I took off as I was healing, which probably was one of the most, I don't know, probably the most spiritual years of my life because all my energy was focused inward, and usually it's focused outward.
		I was able to look at myself, my life, and I was able to go back and I spent a lot of time reading the thousands of letters that I've received and a lot of your listeners included me in their prayer groups and I want to thank them all now.
		There were so many of them.
		Literally, we received thousands of letters over the past year.
		It may reach as high as 5,000 or more letters.
		And I do appreciate that.
		And one of the things I tried to do with this book was to describe what the mechanisms are and describe ways of dealing with the fear and things that you can do.
		And I'd like to at least mention where you can get it if they want to.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		The book is, it can be obtained this weekend, 12 o'clock Pacific to 9 Pacific, 9 p.m., or 9 o'clock Eastern to 9 o'clock Eastern by calling 1-800-MATRIX-3, 1-800-628-7493.
		If you just remember Matrix, M-A-T-R-EX-3, they can get it.
		The book is $16.95 at the bookstores.
		It cost us $14.95.
		We have a $2 level that the Institute uses.
		The only money I take from the Institute is my basic needs, nothing more.
		And so we have several thousand copies left out of the second press run.
		It's been out six weeks.
		In here, it will answer most of the questions.
		So those people who have been calling and are fearful about this, this is what I know.
		This is some of the options that I see.
		I also want to say that it is not the end of the world.
		Our world has survived for billions of years.
		It will continue to survive.
		There's going to be great changes.
		The changes are already upon us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, your book is called Notes from the Cosmos, a Futurist Insights into the World of Dream Prophecy and Intuition.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And again, let me give the number.
		It's 1-800-628-7493.
		Fear is a natural thing, Gordon.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It can be a good thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It can be a good thing, that's right.
		Now, you say these changes are going to be very abrupt.
		You see a melting of the Antarctic.
		You see land.
		In fact, you see buildings in the Antarctic.
		And you see the ocean levels rising.
		And you don't think this El Niño is a standard El Nio at all, but part of a larger picture, if I've got this right, that includes a pole shift, which is just around the corner.
		Are we talking about weeks, months?
		What do you think?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I believe that in 1998, I believe that starting in December, we're going to start to see an acceleration of major activity.
		By major activity, we're going to see more volcanism and more quakes.
		And that in 1998, in that calendar year, I believe we will have experienced the first measurable pole shift where we begin to see the failure of electronic devices.
		We begin to see, I mean, in mass.
		We're just seeing the leading edge of the effects of a shift that's already occurred, but we're going to see a jump.
		It would be kind of like watching an earthquake.
		It's calm, the ground begins to rumble, and then the ground moves and shifts, and you see a tear in the ground.
		Now imagine the earth core is that way.
		It shifts, it begins to vibrate a little bit, transfers its energy up to the outer mantle, and then all of a sudden the outer mantle immediately shifts and you begin to see the effects.
		And the effect here will be and there is probably a three week to three month window that will give us the final exact date.
		And that will be massive solar flares.
		So watch with that, and that could start as early as December of this year through 98.
		And then the next thing that will begin to happen is magnetic devices, satellite systems failing almost on a regular basis, by regular basis, once a week at least seeing this disruption.
		Because these bursts of energy, which are standing waves that are coming out of the Earth versus more electrical in nature, these things will literally come up as spikes.
		And they will come up around the Earth at key grid meridians.
		Around the Earth, there's certain places like acupuncture needles where the energy is higher.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Listen, we are at the top of the hour.
		How are you doing?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		You have a break coming up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Let's talk during the break.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We will talk during the break.
		Gordon Michael Scallion is my guest.
		Stay right where you are.
		And we'll be right back from the high desert.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		I'm Ark Bell.
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		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 19, 1997.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		Once again, here I am.
		Gordon Michael Scallion is going to remain for this hour.
		If you have a question for him, come now.
		And we'll get back to him in a moment.
		A pole shift on the way, and soon.
unidentified		A pole shift on the way, and soon.
		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time on Premier Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 19th, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Music All right, and I want to emphasize something because the phone lines at the Matrix Institute are already going crazy.
		The times that you can call actually are between 9 o'clock and 9 o'clock, 9 in the morning to 9 at night Eastern Time, or translate for your particular time zone, 12 to 12 here in the West.
		Hawaii and Alaska will have to adjust appropriately, as will the Virgin Islands.
		So 9 to 9 Eastern Time is the time to call.
		They are not equipped to take calls right now.
		Please do not call right now.
		You obviously felt this was very imminent, very important to get on the air tonight instead of waiting several months, which would have been your physical preference otherwise, correct?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Well, the agreement that our little family meeting that we had and with other people was that I would not do anything until January of 98 and then talk about another series of things that I see, the spiritual occurrences I also see occurring in 98.
		But six weeks ago, once the Antarctic and the Caribbean and the water temperature, it happened much faster than I thought.
		I really thought that this was not going to go until like 98, 99, maybe even 2005.
		But it pushed the calendar up a lot, and it gave me concern to say, I at least need to make people aware of options.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		One question, then we'll go to the phones, and that is, with this pole shift and the weather and the winds, what kind of tectonic plate effect will there be?
		That much magma moving under the Earth would produce tremendous change tectonically, wouldn't it?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		We'll have a new tectonic system.
		I've seen that in the future, where it doubles, literally.
		So there's more breakages.
		We've already discovered new faults that we didn't know existed because of technology.
		And of course, after quakes, we've been able to explore and find those things.
		So we're going to see the thrusting, massive thrusting in a matter of moments around the world.
		And again, the areas that are of the highest stress, which is the Ring of Fire, anywhere along that ring, we will see great releases.
		And of course, that's the total west coast of the United States, the west coast of South America.
		Japan is probably going to be one of the very early places that's going to see this disruption because they sit on three plates kind of converge there.
		And so you've got three, you know, you've got more, the percentages are higher that we're going to see greater releases and sooner releases in Japan.
		So Japan would be kind of like another precursor.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's go to the phones.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Gordon Michael Scallion.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Good morning.
unidentified		This is Kirk from Benwood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, where is that?
unidentified		In West Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I have a question for Gordon.
		With all these bad things that are coming upon us, do you think how is it going to be after that?
		Are we going to have happy times or how are we going to adapt to the things?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, what comes after the change?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		We're a very resilient people.
		We do survive, and we survive in large numbers of people.
		We change a lot.
		We change physically because we're going to have a whole different energy system to the earth because these changes in our position in the heavens are going to change.
		So we're going to receive different energies and we're going to actually physically begin to change.
		We predicted that we would see DNA changes in microbes and single-cell organisms first.
		And I said that would happen in 2002.
		Well, earlier, you read what's happening now.
		So I'm way off of my time.
		But there is, I do see highly gifted people, especially children.
		The thing that I see in the future are children, longevity increases to almost 250, 300 years.
		Diseases as we now know it go away.
		They go away because the magnetic influences that set up and hold all matter together changes.
		And so those diseases can't function anymore.
		We change the operating structure for it.
		That doesn't mean that we won't have new problems, but the existing ones will change.
		So major diseases go away, like AIDS, for example, and many of the cancers go away.
		We're also going to see a highly intuitive race of people that are going to emerge at birth.
		And nothing happens without notice.
		We, in our dreams, one of the most common, you know, we get buckets of mail every day, and the most common theme is people sharing dreams, which I always appreciate reading.
		And it's always, the themes are so similar.
		So, you know, tens of thousands of people are writing in with similar experiences, and they always describe these children that are bright.
		And my forecast and predictions have said that these children begin to come in in the 80s and 90s.
		So young children now are very gifted.
		We see the computer, and we see kids doing things with computers that are amazing.
		That is an evolutionary shift.
		That is not just a change in society that caused that.
		When you're younger, you can adjust to these changes much more readily than you can when you're older.
		So these younger people are already adjusting to these new energy patterns of the earth.
		So they're more intuitive, they're more creative.
		I don't see wars in the future.
		I see conflicts, but not wars.
		I see communities more in rural sections.
		I see the technology that we now have totally being replaced by other technologies.
		So we're not really a technological race.
		I call the new race children of the Blu-ray.
		And it's the intuitive race of people.
		So children who are born even now, but more so after these shifts occur, come into the world with total knowledge.
		It's almost like they were tapped into some giant computer in the sky.
		Natural healers.
		So I see a lot of positive.
		In fact, if each of us were to say, what would we like the future to be, and we map that out, and then we look at it and we say, well, it'll never be that way.
		We could never possibly give up our cars.
		We couldn't possibly give up our televisions and all of our things.
		We wouldn't do it.
		These changes kind of takes it out of our pathway, so to speak.
		It removes that from us so that we can rebuild the way that we each would want it to be.
		We become a highly spiritual race of people, and it lasts for about 1,800 years.
		So it's a long time for a society to emerge and to last before it goes to the next series of changes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, indeed.
		All right.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Gordon Michael Scallion.
		Good morning.
		Where are you, please?
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
unidentified		This is Tony in Las Vegas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Good morning, Gordon.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Good morning.
unidentified		I have a very brief segmented comment for you, Art, and a question for your guest.
		First off, Major Ed Dame said about six months ago that the timeline event for the event was one and a half to three years.
		Now he says 2012.
		And he doesn't like the term remote viewer anymore.
		If he expects people to remain interested in his claimed capabilities, he might try creating the same light seen over northern Arizona, Tucson, Phoenix with his proposed two-watt lasers thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he is going to do that indeed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have a question for me?
unidentified		Yes, I do.
		A very brief question.
		Any visions about Gene Shoemaker-Levy's untimely demise and Earth orbit crossing asteroids?
		And I'll list off the air.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		No, I've had a lot of information.
		Gart, you and I talked about this over a year ago before the comet came.
		I had a lot about the comet, but not his demise.
		But my experience has always shown me that when a messenger such as he was, you know, we could say he was at the right place at the right time, we could say a lot of things, but he brought global focus, just as the recent accident with Princess Diana and Mother Teresa did brought natural focus.
		These things are not by accident.
		They're part of a grand plan.
		And that it could be that his work was to point something out, to bring focus to this, so that we begin looking in a certain area.
		We begin looking at what if.
		I can remember when we first started talking art, there were very few television shows about asteroids or anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And it's hard to turn the television on now without some show focusing on earthquakes or floods or typhoons or hurricanes, and the shows go on and On and on.
		All of that is designed as part of the quickening, as part of the awakening to see, you know, to focus our attention.
		Then we have a choice.
		We can go into denial and say, nothing I can do about it, forget it.
		Or we look at it and say, what are my options?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Being bluntly honest with everybody, Gordon, how inevitable do you see the coming pole shift and the changes?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I believe at this stage it will occur versus a year ago where I felt that we had some outside chances if we did certain things as a collective body.
		I still would like to hope that in some areas that consciousness can alter events.
		And I do believe that.
		But I believe we're now outside of the global and now we're into the community.
		So now I think it's up to communities and how they live their life, how they treat their neighbors, how they treat the land.
		I think communities, depending on how they function spiritually, will determine how they fare through these changes.
		And I now believe with 100% of certainty that these events will occur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you well know that I have written a book called The Quickening, and I've got an analogy that I really like, that I think is dead on.
		And in the old days when they used to fly planes across the Pacific to Japan, in the old movie The High and Mighty, there would be a point about the halfway point, just past the halfway point, and a little red light would come on, which would indicate the point of no return.
		In other words, no matter what happens, no matter what might go wrong, you now no longer have enough fuel to go back from whence you came.
		You can only go forward.
		And I think that some time ago, not long ago, humanity's little red light came on.
		And that doesn't mean the end of the world.
		It just means we are going to go on to whatever is next.
		Does that sound about right?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Gordon Michael Scallion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yes, my name is George.
unidentified		I'm calling from Mansfield, Ohio.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, George.
unidentified		I have a very important question for Mr. Gordon on something to do with the magnetic pole shift.
		Back in 1988, and I don't know if you're aware of this, they discovered what is called non-linear wetter patterns.
		Now what that is, is basically wetter patterns that are, it's very hard to describe.
		It's a chaotic wetter pattern that holds a certain pattern, that repeats that pattern, but is chaotic.
		And what they learned from that is a new science called controlled synchronous chaos.
		This is no lie.
		Mr. Dr. Chua at the University of Berkeley in Berkeley, California developed circuits for this.
		The U.S. Naval Laboratory, which I've received information, have developed all types of ways of encoding messages secretly through cryptography.
		The dynamic output of lasers, which means increasing the power of a laser tremendously by using it.
		But what I want to mention is what I believe they discovered in 1988 in the weather patterns is a kind, you know, capacitance between objects is like a charge.
		If the capacitance was chaotic between objects, couldn't this possibly neutralize the normal capacitance that's supposed to be in this world and possibly causes magnetic pole shift and of course all these weather patterns?
		And could it possibly be that our little diodes and capacitors and electronic circuits working through the power, possibly of the ror borealis, which is the solar wind, means the particles coming down from the sun, the solar flares and so forth, the energy coming from the sun affects our electronic gear.
		Is it possible that our sophisticated electronic gear could be possibly responsible for this nonlinearity?
		Something recently developed?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I think I've got the thrust of your question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's an interesting question because you've said that when this event comes, this pole shift, electronics will suddenly fail.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
		Technology, there's two types, and I think part of what George is discussing is that there's two sides of all energies.
		Just like there's white and black.
		We can look at energies and two polarities.
		Somewhere in the middle is where energies kind of want to be.
		Everything wants to be at a state of balance or rest.
		And anything that contributes, either side of that, throws it off of balance.
		Our massive electronics, at any given moment, there are hundreds of electronic signals passing through each of our bodies.
		Or maybe thousands for all I know, but hundreds for sure.
		These, we say, well, they're small, you know, microwave, radio, televisions, you know, little signals.
		But over time, these signals also pass into the Earth.
		I have no doubt that they contribute to instability.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in a way, he was right, a causative agent, and what you see coming, the corrective agent.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		There is no way to correct it at this stage.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		We can't...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Rebalance.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The balancing has to come from each of us individually.
		Some of the things that we have done here, for example, is that we've minimized the amount of technology that we have.
		Because we are communicators, we need certain amounts of technology, but I have minimized it significantly.
		I'm also become more aware of kind of energy, where I try to use solar devices.
		I try to do as much as I can, and that's increased my awareness.
		Each of us has to, in our own way, kind of go back to a balanced point.
		The most significant energy is not our technology as I see it that's destructive.
		The single thing I see is our thoughts.
		And if we are in a loving position where we're thinking loving thoughts, wishing well, we eliminate greed, we eliminate control, we eliminate Hatred.
		We always see the best of everybody.
		We try to work in that framework.
		Those thoughts, for each of us, are powerful.
		Now, we might say, well, you know, that's only one person.
		You've got to remember, we're five and a half, almost six billion people on this planet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of thought collectively, if it was focused.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a lot of little magnets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, hold on.
		We'll be right back.
		Gordon Michael Scuyan is my guest.
		I'm Art Bell.
unidentified		You're listening to Art Bell somewhere in time on Premiere Radio Networks.
		Tonight, an encore presentation of Coast to Coast AM from September 19, 1997.
		I see them blue, for me and you.
		And I think to myself, what a wonderful world.
		I see skies of blue, and clouds of white, the bright blessed day, the dark sacred night.
		And I think to myself, what a wonderful world.
		I see skies of blue, and clouds of white, the bright blue, and clouds of white.
		I see skies of blue, and clouds of white, the bright blue, and clouds of white.
		And I think to myself, what a wonderful world.
		You're listening to Arkbell somewhere in time.
		Tonight featuring a replay of Coast to Coast AM from September 19th, 1997.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and here I am again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gordon Michael Scallion is with us, and he'll be right back.
unidentified		Gordon Michael Scallion is with us, and he'll be right back.
unidentified		Now we take you back to the night of September 19th, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back now to Gordon Michaelscallion in New Hampshire, and here comes something that we don't normally ever do on the air, or I don't think we've ever done it, actually.
		During last break, not this one, but the last one, Gordon said, I need to talk to you off the air about something.
		And I finally couldn't stand it.
		At the bottom of the hour, I asked him what that was.
		And Gordon, why don't you repeat what you said to me?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I was during a break, I started seeing visions, and I had an incredible knot in my stomach.
		And my first thought was I became fearful.
		I said, I've overdone it.
		I had agreed I was only going to do a lot of time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		An hour and a half or two hours.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		And yet my intuitive sense says that I really needed to talk to some people out there to deal with issues around fear.
		And the vision that I saw, the reason I wanted to talk to you off air is because it was a personal thing, and I never discussed things without permission.
		And it was that the vision was that I saw Art, you, and myself sitting at some kind of a council with headsets on.
		And the room had maps all over the room, and the maps were, and we were using, which I assume is your program, to guide people into areas.
		And there was a string of cars that looked like a freight train of lights spreading out all the way to the west coast into Nevada.
		They were all coming in to Nevada, and appeared to be from the south and western portions of California.
		And we were acting as like a lifeline link to this.
		And I could see other visions of helicopters with Red Cross symbols on it bringing in tents throughout the border of California and Nevada.
		There were thousands of these huge tents, looked like bivouac tents.
		And people were coming in in masses.
		And it reminded me of 1955 when I was involved in civil defense.
		And I did a similar thing there during the hurricane, helping ham radio operators.
		One of the greatest gifts that they offer is the ability to help during crisis because we have portable radios and we know how to work them and we're self-sufficient and we can put them in cars.
		And that's one of the true gifts I found of ham radio and why I stayed with it for so long.
		And then just as I saw that, it was like, you know, it drew me back and I literally had to sit down and take some deep breaths.
		And that's one of the messages that I wanted to share with you off the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate it, and I don't mind it being on the air.
		That's something.
		And I wouldn't be surprised that such a thing could actually come true, Gordon.
		So we'll see, I guess.
		Back to the lines.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Gordon Michael Scallion.
		Hi.
unidentified		Good morning, Art.
		Good morning, Gordon.
		I'm Dave Infresno, a ham radio operator as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I've got a question, and my friend here sitting with me has got a question for Gordon.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I'm just curious myself whether or not we'll be basically whether the North Pole will be in our backyard one morning or not.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		After these changes, these three abrupt magnetic shifts, most of the information you might read out there on shifts indicate that the poles reverse themselves.
		And so when they do, we know scientifically that poles, the direction of the poles have reversed directions, north to south, south to north, thousands of times.
		We know that by core samplings and measuring magnetites in the material.
		So we can go back and we know that there were major ones around 12,000 years ago, which is when we found the mastodon is frozen and stride and all the weather changes and cataclysms.
		The ones I see, however, are smaller and they are 67 degrees, as I had said earlier, westerly movement.
		So if you were sitting in Fresno and you were looking at your compass, the compass would point to currently, north would point to probably somewhere around 300 degrees.
		I'm going to guess 3, you know, there might be 325.
		You know, 25 to 45 degrees would be the, the maximum would be 45 degrees.
		21 to 25 is what I've consistently have seen, but I've also realized that that could shift a bit more.
		And it could be, you know, if it went as much as 90 degrees, we're obviously looking due west.
		Wow.
unidentified		Well, this is some major changes.
unidentified		Our other question here is whether or not you know anything of the nature of the men in black.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		No, I haven't seen, I have had no visions about specifically about things that would deal with cover-ups and conspiracies.
		I guess the sources whoever feed me this information figure out I have enough to do with cataclysms.
		But I have seen technology and I have seen all kinds of crafts.
		And a lot of the craft that I have seen is, you know, when the Bluebird was first created and the 117A was created, you know, they were super secret for years.
		So whenever they roll out, you know, the super secret device, you know they've got something that's been up in the air, you know, that's already replaced it.
		So a lot of these craft I've seen, I've also seen helicopters around those that were with no markings.
		So my assumption is that two things are going on.
		One is we have very advanced technology and we have crafts that make jets look like ancient steam engines, that kind of stuff.
		I think we have technology 50 years ahead of what the industry will produce as far as and I also think at the same time that we have visitors, not only from other solar systems, but also from within our own Earth system, other vibrations or dimensions.
		And so logically in my mind, though I have not seen the specific vision of it, I would assume that all of this is known, including all these Earth changes.
		These are all known.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It must be all known.
		If you know this, if you have seen this, then other gifted people have seen it.
		We know that the government has run remote viewing programs, has put money into various black projects of this sort for decades now, Gordon.
		So there's a good chance the government knows about it.
		Wouldn't you agree?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I have personally met with many of the astronauts, and we've had long discussions.
		And they have really, you know, once they went out in space, their life changed.
		And they had a whole different perspective on the Earth and their spirituality changed.
		And this is not just one or two astronauts.
		I've talked to numerous, and we've had some real deep, in-depth discussions where of total honesty on both of our parts.
		And they have just said, you know, they have seen this not only in space, but they've seen it here on Earth, that they know there are craft that not only that we have created, but there's craft that comes from someplace else.
		And that every time they get close to exploring that on their own end, they're shut out.
		So they only have so much knowledge.
		They've had first-hand visual contact.
		Now, pilots, especially jet pilots and astronauts, are highly trained.
		They're trained observers.
		And so when they see something, when you see them in mass describing technological craft, not some kind of air phenomena, you have to believe them.
		And it fits into the visions that, you know, I've showed them sketches that I've my visions.
		I said, is this what you've seen?
		And they just turn white.
		They said, that's exactly what I've seen.
		How did you get this?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I've heard the same thing, always privately from astronauts.
		I'm going to be interviewing a couple shortly.
		I'm looking forward to it.
		First time caller line, you're on the air with Gordon Michael Scallion.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hello, Jennifer.
		My name is John.
		I'm calling from San Diego.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, John.
unidentified		How are you doing?
		Mr. Scallion, it's a pleasure to get your views on some things.
		In a nutshell, a couple of questions.
		One is regarding some literature that I received regarding the Ethereans.
		You say that the crop circles are actually not by UFOs, as we all are led to believe, but by these interdimensional beings or spirits.
		Secondly, you've highlighted that one area that's supposed to be a safe haven or safe zone is Colorado.
		And I'm getting two places.
		Actually, I don't know exactly where in Colorado examples I'd like to know.
		Because from the literature, it doesn't really narrow it down for me.
		And secondly, I'm wondering with respect to another area is in Canada.
		Are there areas in Canada?
		Because what I'm thinking is with respect to the weather changes and their influx, what we see today is not going to be there tomorrow.
		So that's a big concern for me, because obviously I would like to do my best to try to survive this calamity that's going to befall us all.
		And then lastly, I wanted to know, there is something I think with respect to Notre Dame.
		There was something about a planetary alignment.
		Now, I don't know, I guess it's open to interpretation, that the planetary alignment would cause a, I heard this somewhere, there's going to be an alignment, and this, in fact, could cause a caller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		2005 is the planetary alignment, I believe.
		And these events are forecast now to occur far before that.
		But let's go back to a couple of the earlier ones.
		Gordon, the crop circles Are amazing.
		They have become more complex and incredibly more frequent.
		Any comment on the crop circles?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		The crop circles tie in with earth changes very specifically and a shift in consciousness.
		I felt it was so important that I devoted a whole chapter in my book Notes from the Cosmos on it.
		And basically, what these crop circles are are messages for us.
		We study them, and I also want to say that there's a percentage of those things, which may be as high as 20%, that are fraudulent.
		They're just boguses.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		But the ones that there's magnetic residues, the ones that we see spiraling reap wheat, I went there before they really began.
		My source told me they were going to come, tell me what the patterns would be like, and I went and I had a chance to explore England in particular and really got to see what I was seeing in vision.
		They're created by, if you can imagine, you know, you pass over and then you're a spirit, you're a ghost.
		And so most of us might say that, you know, okay, I see the possibility of that, that after death there is something else.
		But if you can imagine that after death, physical death, there's many levels.
		And that one of these levels, which the Avarians tell me is the fifth level of consciousness of the earth, there's another society that operates differently than we do.
		And they're more of light beings.
		And so they create this sphere of light, which is able to move through the dimensions.
		And this little sphere, it's like a stylus.
		It moves in and it creates the patterns.
		And it does it in a matter, literally in a matter of a few seconds.
		And it's a time shift when it happens.
		And the messages are pointing to key alignments or times when things are going to happen.
		It also gives symbols that we might understand.
		So what they're trying to do is set up a symbolic rapport for us to see and note this.
		And the fields were chosen because it's grand.
		It focuses it on a very large scale.
		And my prediction is three or four years ago, I said that they would become more complex, going to spirals, going into Membelbrook, going into pyramidal structures.
		And each stage would take us to the next level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they have certainly done that.
		All right.
		He asked about safe zones, and I imagine a lot of people want to know about that.
		He mentioned Colorado.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		In my future map of North America or the world, I tried to take a snapshot.
		This is what I see.
		My visions are looking down, looking back at the Earth from like in a plane at 30,000 feet or maybe even space.
		And so after seeing these visions hundreds, if not thousands of times, I was able to sketch what I saw from space.
		So it's relative.
		It's a relative snapshot of it.
		And so based on that, I created what I saw, the map, I went ahead to feature to the year 2020, 2014, 2012, and I backed all the way up.
		And when the visions didn't change anymore, I had a timeframe.
		And the frame was 98 to 2012.
		Southern Canada, most of southern Canada, with exception around the Great Lakes, will fare fairly well, and also the West Coast.
		So we've got to get to the east of the Rockies, Canadian or U.S., away from the Great Lakes, and away from Nova Scotia and Newfoundland and those areas.
		So if you look at those regions in Canada, they fare fairly well.
		Colorado kind of gets divided.
		So if we were to look at Fort Collins, for example, east, those areas in there are, according to my map anyways, are more, right now there's very little east or the northeast part of Colorado, yet in the future it has an abundance of water there.
		I was told that there's an underground aquifer there that has an incredible amount of very potent, healthy water.
		And so I see major civilizations develop in there, you know, massive, you know, tens of thousands of people flooding into that area.
		Areas like Denver, for example, won't exist.
		So that is not a good area.
		So the northeast portion or Fort Collins East would be the place in Colorado.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about your area, New England?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		New England gets pretty chopped up.
		Along the Connecticut River, it returns back to the inland sea.
		Elevations that are over 300 feet throughout central New England.
		If we were to look at the coastlines from Maine, for example, we would have to move inland maybe 20, 30 miles, all the way, draw a line down through Concord, for example.
		Concord, New Hampshire, for example, becomes a new coast.
		So Rhode Island, most of the islands like Block Island, Long Island, good portions of New York, all of these things go underwater because of, in part, because of the large meltoff and the rising ocean levels.
		You've got to remember when the freeze came during the last pole shift, that water froze and it was contained.
		So the moisture, you know, and that's what changed it.
		But the ocean levels used to be much more expansive, and it'll return to that.
		So it's like a cycle returning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea why the events which were in the more out years have quickened so so that we're looking now at mere months before we're into the middle of it?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		I think there are two things that happen and there are things that are happening in the world that are trying to adjust it.
		I think we did something technologically as far, not only us, but I think we would have to look at Russia too.
		We did something in the 80s with weather research, trying to control weather.
		And I think we unleashed stuff there that's probably scared the powers to be, and they agreed, both the U.S. and Russia agreed to stop it.
		But there was other projects that were going on where they were just trying to alter or control.
		It seems to be our destiny to try to control nature instead Of working with nature.
		I think these things set into motion things that move faster.
		I also think that the number of just the pure number of conflicts in the world, at any given moment, we've got 40 skirmishes or wars going on in the world.
		I think it's a crescendo.
		We're building this crescendo.
		So I think technologically, we made mistakes, and I think that consciously we just did not heed the warnings.
		We just all said we want to stop it, but we weren't willing to make the sacrifices to stop it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We might have time for one more.
		Wildcard line, you're on the air with Gordon Michaels Scallion.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Yeah, good morning.
unidentified		This is Dan in Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Gordon, the human body is an electrical system.
unidentified		How is this going to affect the human being as far as their emotions, their thought patterns, and so forth?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think you already pretty much covered that, but it's a very good point.
		We are electrical beings.
		There's no question about it.
		And if we have massive failure of electronic equipment, there will be a biological effect as well, correct?
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		It is correct.
		It has already begun.
		A lot of the things that you're seeing, in fact, I just wrote in my newsletter this month about it, the effects of the pole shift on health.
		And one of the things I talk about is the fact that conditions such as manic, manic depressus, we're going to see that off the, you know, and we're going to see that drugs are no longer going to work for a lot of things that we're trying to control emotions.
		The biggest thing I see is schizophrenia, paranoia, manic, immune system breakdown, all kinds of electrical problems.
		We're going to see, especially things like the thymus and pituitary.
		We're going to see more effects of brain cancer.
		We're going to see trouble with optics, the optic system.
		All of these things are the first major signs, and that's already happening.
		We're seeing part of the breakdown, of course, is because we've ruined our food chain supply system and our atmosphere.
		But the bigger changes I'm seeing really are electrically motivated.
		So what Dave was saying is absolutely correct, that the electrical body is going to detect it.
		Now, we can adjust.
		We do have the ability if we just listen to our own inner guidance of what to eat and what not to eat and how to think, we can adjust, just like a tree will adjust its bark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gordon, we are at the end of this hour, and I know that your folks will throw a hissy fit if I keep you over.
		So I will get the information after the top of the hour on for your book once again and the hours in which people can call.
		I want to thank you for being with us, and we'll do it again sometime.
		Take care of yourself.
gordon michael scallion ▲ ● ▼		Okay, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gordon, thank you.
		Gordon, Michael Scallion.
		And if you get a chance, go to a bookstore and get my book.
		It's called The Quickening by Art Bell.
		It tells the story.

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