Albert Taylor, a former engineer-scientist with military clearances, shares decades of verified out-of-body experiences (OBEs), including astral travel to the moon and psychokinesis like bending metal spoons through visualization. He dismisses skepticism, citing controlled experiments and near-death accounts, while warning against fear-based manipulation by shadowy entities—some callers describe terrifying encounters, linking them to biblical concepts or misplaced souls. Taylor’s interrupted sleep technique enables projection without waking, and he confirms locating lost relatives or objects via focused mental commands, though future visions reveal unavoidable lessons tied to other souls’ evolution. OBEs, he insists, are natural spiritual tools, not harm—just a suppressed awakening to consciousness beyond physical limits. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good morning, as the case may be across all these many prolific time zones stretching from the wireless each mountain chains, visions and grass skirts, all the way eastward to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands.
How are you doing in St. Thomas this morning?
To me, it looks like that hurricane is headed straight for you in St. Thomas.
I haven't heard the latest update, but last time I checked, it looked like it was headed straight for St. Thomas.
I hope you're doing well back in the other countries.
It's a category one.
Last time I checked, and you could certainly wonder that.
Albert Taylor, the author of Soul Traveler, which is going to become a movie, how exciting, is going to be our guest here shortly.
And if you have never heard Al Taylor, you've got a real treat coming.
I have a number of announcements to make and a couple things to report, and then we'll get underway.
Regarding Daniel Brinkley, I was in communication with his cousin at least a couple of times today.
And Daniel remains in intensive care, has gone to a private room in intensive care.
I am intentionally not, on his request, reporting the hospital where he is because they would be absolutely inundated, as you might well expect.
The information I have is that he has been moved from critical to stable.
However, he continues to hemorrhage.
His brain continues to hemorrhage.
He has blood, in essence, running down both sides of his brain.
He's taking steroids.
They're very concerned.
Normally, Daniel would take blood thinners because of his heart condition.
But obviously, if they allow it to get too thick, it clots.
He has heart trouble.
So it's a very dicey situation between his blood being too thin and too thick.
He is taking steroids, and if they are able to stabilize him sufficiently, he will be facing brain surgery on Sunday or Monday.
And that is as much as I know, with the exception of one more item, and that is he said, if you don't believe in the power of prayer, you should be where I am.
And he had that word to me earlier today.
So he wants to thank all of you.
At this point, he doesn't want any visitors at all.
Otherwise, I wouldn't be here now.
I'd be there.
Danion has a way of handling this kind of thing when it comes.
And he goes into a period of deep personal meditation and tries to heal himself.
And that is what he is doing.
So I monitor as closely as I'm able the present condition and the situation with regard to Daniel Brinkley.
It is still very critical.
He's facing, if they can stabilize him, a very difficult surgery.
And all I can ask is that you pray for Daniel.
And I guess I want to say something about the power of prayer.
I believe in it.
Now, at the risk of getting myself in trouble, which I always am, anyway, I will say to you, I am not absolutely certain about why it works.
But I know that it works.
I am not precisely certain of the source of the power of prayer.
Personally.
But I have no question about the fact that it works.
The power of healing is just beyond question, in my opinion.
So prayers are in order.
I wish I could tell you definitively that I understood why it works.
I cannot.
I can just tell you I know it works.
And Danion certainly needs it right now.
Now, unfortunately, reporting on other items, Mother Teresa has passed on.
And there are certain things going on with respect to the media that I don't quite understand.
During the day-to-day, I watched carefully the coverage of both the passing of Mother Teresa and the continuing coverage of the Princess Diana funeral and story.
And to give you just a sense of the priorities, I have in front of me this hour's Reuters News.
And in order, the stories read, the top story is Crowds Await Diana Procession.
The second story is More Photographers Investigated.
The third story is, Diana did not expect to remarry.
And the fourth story is, followers mourn Mother Teresa.
Now, both of these women were good women.
There's no doubt about that, but I am not quite square in my own mind about why the continuing coverage of the funeral and story of Princess Diana overshadows the death of Mother Teresa who did so much for so long, for so many.
So there you go.
That's two.
There are many who say there will be one more.
And I hope that is not, Daniel.
And somebody wrote me this, Art, whose time really had come?
Art, at 2.03 p.m. today, I heard the announcement of Mother Teresa's death.
How strangely ironic.
Can the world stand a second funeral of the magnitude of this one for Diana?
Wouldn't Mother Teresa actually be far more deserving of the pomp, respect, and tears awarded to the princess?
Would, in fact, the Saint of Calcutta have even gotten anywhere near the send-off being given to Diana?
Would the world have stopped?
Would the tabloids and the regular media paid her the attention offered the tributes and the amount of airtime given to Diana?
Would millions of followers have been laid, flowers rather, been laid at the steps of Catholic churches, by followers, and consulates around the world?
Would hundreds of thousands of heartful renderings have been offered in books of condolences?
Would world leaders feel slighted if they couldn't attend her funeral?
Would Elton John, smitten with his grief, be but only able to rewrite a few words of an old song rather than write a new one?
Would the stars of music in the movie industry take up the cause of a saint that can never be replaced?
Aren't we really just a pop culture whose drug of choice is kish other than truly caring world society?
Perhaps there are things going on we cannot see, nor should.
Perhaps the death of Diana, the funeral for Diana, is really the acknowledgement and funeral that Mother Teresa would never have been accorded.
The forces of the unseen world, the energies of the cosmos, do often work in strange yet not often understood ways.
Mother Teresa in recent years has fought to remain alive on this earth until now.
Was Mother Teresa unwilling to die and give up her work here on earth?
Is it possible the unknown was awaiting a significant event as the death of the princess to act as a catalyst for the death of the saint?
Was Diana's death and all its global aftermath used as a door to channel Mother Teresa peacefully across the bridge to the other side?
One can only wonder.
That's from Ken.
So we have lost two.
And many, many, many have faxed me suggesting that it is always three that the world loses.
It occurs in threes.
So that essentially, to this hour, is the news.
The only other really big important piece of news continues to be this information that the Russians seem to have lost track of 100 suitcase-sized one-kiloton nuclear weapons that can be detonated in about 30 minutes by an individual, single individual.
And it was quite interesting.
Yesterday morning I was doing an interview with WWRC, WRC in Washington, D.C., my new affiliate there.
And they asked me, Lord, how do you find your topics?
And instead of a direct answer, because I don't really have one, topics usually find me.
I asked them about this story, and they had just become aware of the Russian story.
And I said, I'll tell you this, if I were where you are, I would be wanting to have those found very quickly.
Washington, D.C., Jerusalem, I don't know, what would you imagine would be the first target for a suitcase nuke?
Probably not Trump.
Although, the way things have been going, one never knows.
at any rate coming up in a moment al taylor Last week, did you know that all the guest information and show information is available online at www.coastocoastadium.com.
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Now we take you back to the night of September 5th, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Albert, if you would give us a short sketch, because that's actually before the bottom of the hour, while we have time for who you are and a little bit about your background.
I've had a secret clearance for the last two decades.
I've helped design the stealth fighter, the B-1 bomber.
I also have trained, helped design components and pressurized docking units on the space station that will be going up next year.
I've also trained astronauts in Johnson Space Center, and I've also been a co-designer on numerous satellite components for President Reagan's SDI or Star Wars program.
And I'm also the author of Soul Traveler, A Guide to Out-of-Body Experiences and the Wonders Beyond, which is about my personal out-of-body experiences.
The book came to me, and it came to me in the experiences that I've been having since the age of five.
And one of the things that, as you know, and I've gotten tons of mail on this subject, one of the things that I didn't know was related to the out-of-body experience is night paralysis.
And that's where you wake up in the middle of the night after going to sleep or so, and maybe about two or three o'clock in the morning, and you're very alert and aware, but you're completely paralyzed.
Well, basically, I found out, first of all, it's been something that's been very frightening in my family for a number of years, even several generations.
But what I found out is that paralysis, that when you wake up in the middle of the night and you can't move, what that is, is that your soul or spirit or astral form or etheric form, whatever you want to call yourself, is disconnected from the physical body.
That means it's occupying the same space as the body, but it is not connected to any type of controlled or neural functions of the body.
So you feel as if you're paralyzed.
But what I found out is just changing my thoughts to moving my other body, or second body as Robert Monroe would call it, I was able to leave the physical body and actually consciously leave and look down at the body and eventually travel and fly places.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
It changed my life.
It completely removed the fear of death because now I understand what it is to be in the spirit body and numerous encounters I would have with non-physical entities, dead relatives, incredible things that six years ago, if you would have told me I'd be talking about this, let alone experiencing it, I think you were crazy.
Now they realize that the jig is up, the consciousness is raising, the dam has broken, so they've got the full position in this Indy 500 race, but their car's smoking, it's got ball tires, they're almost out of gas.
And in a way, that's almost even more scary because their system's unraveling, falling apart.
They prepared for people waking up and fighting back.
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Now we take you back to the night of September 5th, 1997, on Art Bell, Somewhere in Time.
Well, initially, you know, the one thing about Daniel that really comforted me is I was having these experiences and I had no one to talk to about it.
Because, first of all, there's people in my family who've been having it, but they were so fearful about it and so, let's say, affected by religious dogmas that just talking about something like this terrified them.
So when I did meet Daniel, it was wonderful that I met someone that he had a near-death, but I've been having these experiences since I was five, and yet I could talk to him about the experiences in detail, and he understood and could shed some light on the subject.
Now, as far as going to the actual places that a person who has a near-death experience goes to, initially I would say yes.
Initially, when you leave the body via death or trauma, like a near-death experience, or via the out-of-body experience, you end up on what some people call the astral plane.
Or you may call it the first level, right above the physical.
Most people do go to that level.
Some people don't transition beyond that level.
So there's a lot of spirits and people who have passed that are on the astral plane.
But in the near-death experience, a lot of People transition past that and actually go to a higher level of vibration, and that's where they experience the light that they talk about.
So some people traveling out of body are capable of going to the astral plane, the mental plane, the causal plane, and some people are even capable of going to the etheric plane where you will see this light.
And I have been able to do that.
I didn't know exactly what I was doing or even why I was doing it or even how to measure where I was.
And the thing about it, it was so strange, is I was being called or drawn there for a lot of reasons.
Sometimes I would go there on purpose, but other times I was being summoned there.
And I had experiences with the light, and I was totally confused as to what this light was.
I mean, I'm a member of the International Association of Near-Death Studies.
Numerous friends of mine are members of IANS, and they were talking about, some of them, based on their religious backgrounds, they would say the light is Jesus or the light is God or whatever.
So when I was having these initial encounters, I didn't know what to think of it.
Initially, it was very frightening because when you're out of body, you're very, you know, it's not like being in the physical, just floating above the body.
You are completely weightless.
Many, many avenues open up to you.
Many, many sensations, many, many feelings, voices.
You can see things.
I mean, it can be terribly overwhelming if it's your first time.
So initially, yes, it was very frightening to her.
You have the capability of seeing things exactly as you see them in the physical body and more.
For instance, one of the early experiments that I did is I came out of body, and it's in my book too, and I heard the shower going on in the hallway, in the bathroom down the hallway.
As I began, and just floating in my bedroom, the door was closed.
As I began to focus on the sound that I heard down the hallway, the door and the wall that separated me from the bathroom ceased to be an obstacle, meaning I could see through it.
Then I could see the door, and eventually the door of the bathroom ceased to be an obstacle, and I could see through it too and actually see the shower curtains in the other bathroom.
But if I chose to, I could even regress and go back and pay more attention to the walls, and I would see the walls.
You can get to the point where you can either pay full attention to the physical plane, where you see everything there is, and you even see auras off of almost everything, or you can raise your vibrational rate where you don't perceive anything physical.
And there's no hard line, meaning that it's either or.
There's the smooth transition where you can just go to seeing incredible things that you never would have dreamed of.
So yes, you can see the physical.
And you know what?
The thing about it, though, the physical, everybody says, well, why don't you go here?
Why don't you go check out this?
One person said, why don't you go see what secret documents the Russians have?
And all that.
After you travel out of body, all of that seems so insignificant.
Going to physical places, one person said, oh, we could go to Tahiti together.
And if you can really do it, and if you can really travel in the physical plane, then you should be able to go somewhere and observe something and come back and describe what you have observed.
Well, in the book, initially, what I did do, I mean, what I did is I would go to several friends of mine that I worked with on the space station, several engineers, and sometimes I would tell them, I'm just going to describe, I've never been there physically, and I'm just going to describe in as much detail as I can remember when I get back what your particular apartment looks like.
I had some people set up a number or a letter on the back of a door of a closet or something like that.
And I would go and see what the letter was and come back and document it, then check on it later.
One person I had, I found out that when I got to her apartment, I knew she was married, but when I got to her house, I found out that her and her husband didn't sleep in the same bed.
And I also found out that she slept with a heating pad or something on her leg.
So when I came back to the physical, I approached her, a prominent doctor.
I approached her and said, you know, I didn't know you and your husband slept in separate beds.
And she began to tell me, yeah, he sleeps over there because he has sleep apnea or something like that.
And he snores, and it's better for him to be a long way away from me.
And then I said to her that I thought there was something wrong with your leg because I perceived it as this white object.
And she told me that it was a heating pad or something that she wore around her leg at night.
So I did that over and over again because, first of all, I wanted to know, am I dreaming this?
Because I've been having these experiences all my life since I was five.
And I always thought they were dreams.
I never thought or never realized that they had any correlation or anything to do with the physical world.
So I was trying to find out, am I just having a great lucid dream?
But once I did it over and over again, and I wasn't wrong at all in my descriptions of the places that I've been to, I was shocked.
I thought, well, oh my God, this is real.
So now, what do I do with this?
What does it mean that I can do this?
What am I, and what are we, that we can leave our physical body and see these type of things?
So I had to start exploring that new avenue, so to speak, because after I became convinced, that no longer was a question in my mind.
So I couldn't see just handing this over to some screenwriter who wasn't at least semi-experienced or had some kind of understanding of what this phenomenon was all about.
So I set out to learn about screenplays, which is this crazy thing.
And I met a few actors here and there and it's amazing how many people came out of the woodwork to help me.
And next thing I knew, I was plugging through page 50, page 100, and I had written this screenplay based on my book.
Well, what's wonderful about this particular movie?
It's not going to be just a movie.
It's going to be very entertaining.
It's going to be funny because if you read my book, you see how I have a little bit of a wacky sense of humor.
So it's going to be funny, but it's going to be very, very educational.
And a lot of people, the reviews I've gotten so far, people tell me that it's better than the book.
Now, when it gets, though, to the director and the, you know, the actual stage where they're going to produce the movie, they're going to want to get...
Yeah, they're going to want to hack away at it.
And they're going to want to put in probably all kinds of scenes that you might not want in there.
I've already heard a bunch of really wild inputs where it almost makes it like a dog and pony show.
I've been kind of rigid in that area because, like I said, it's my belief that we're talking about it.
And I think when you really talk about some of those things that I've experienced, they really are an incredible thing to witness without a lot of hocus-pocus.
But yeah, I've already kind of been briefed by some actor, friends of mine, on the fact that they're going to throw in some stuff and they're going to want to see a lot of, you know, smoke and mirrors and sensationalism, that type of thing.
Now, in the movie, they're going to have the shower curtain disappear and there is going to be a luscious, well-developed blonde behind the shower curtain.
Number one, when you are out of body, are you aware of your own individual identity and or are you, in effect, absorbed into some sort of collective consciousness.
I have to tell you, one of the things people ask me about, and I have not talked about this on any show, on your show or any other show, and they talk about something that is called astral sex.
And so when you talk about astral sex, which is different, obviously, than the dream state, I guess, I'm not exactly sure how one delineates between what is a dream and what...
A lot of us have, and we don't know what it is exactly.
And a lot of us aren't 100% conscious during the experiences.
There's varying levels of consciousness, but a lot of us have had these sexual dreams with a stranger even, in the dream, where at least they appear to be a stranger.
Now, the thing about it is, when you're in that state, the astral form or the second body responds to your thoughts.
Meaning, if you think you have hands, you have hands.
If you think you have arms, you have arms.
If you think you have a torso, legs, feet, whatever, you have that.
And what we're really talking about here is thought.
When a person has a sexual experience or a person has an orgasm, let's say, what is really going on there?
An orgasm is one of the few things that a person has a difficult time describing.
Okay, so then I can imagine the possibility of astral sex.
But here you're going to run into real trouble.
Because you see, when we discuss out-of-body travel or a near-death experience, we talk about the light and we talk about God and we talk about the afterlife and all the rest of it.
And people usually don't imagine there to be sex in the afterlife or in the astral plane.
It's something that was definitely part of the exploration to understand what was going on.
Even, like I said, Robert Monroe felt an overwhelming feeling, sexual drive, when he was in the out-of-body state.
And he had to fight it terribly to return to his physical body.
And he couldn't understand why he did feel that way.
Now, that only, to me, that starts a bunch of questions in my head.
That makes me wonder, what's the connection?
Why is this something that we feel in the physical plane?
And why is this something that we experience in a non-physical plane?
What is the link?
And like I said, because people, when you ask a person, can you describe an orgasm, that is the toughest thing for someone to describe, yet 90% of the planet has experienced it.
So I'm wondering if truly it isn't really beyond the physical, and it's almost kind of like getting in contact with who we truly are, kind of a nirvana, so to speak.
But I don't know.
It's something that I'm speculating on that I wonder about myself.
Well, I seem to recall in a, I think it was a Star Trek, the way they had sex was they put their fingertips together, and then all the rest of the process was mental, like a Vulcan mind meld, sort of.
And the entire sexual experience was mental.
The connection was established by physical contact, but the rest was all mental.
Well, the thing that I found out, and I have a feeling that heaven or nirvana or whatever you want to call it, the afterlife, can be, depending on the life that you've led, can be as pleasant as you can imagine it to be.
That's why on other shows when we've talked about this, that's why I said what I had to do is when I left the physical body, my biggest challenge was to try to take control of my uncontrolled imagination.
Because just the fact that I imagined something, I would begin to experience it.
If I imagined there was a ghost or a lion or a tiger near me, I would start creating it out of astral substance.
And if I imagined that that lion or tiger bit me, I would actually feel the pain.
So the thing that I had to do was gain control of my thoughts because I believe when you do pass on that you have that capability and you have the capability almost like being a genie on the astral plane.
You have that capability of conjuring up any type of experience that you would like.
But what I think is that it depends on your perception.
There is something good about a lot of things, but you can use good things wrongly.
You can abuse things.
You can be selfish about certain things.
I think it...
And seeing that God gave this experience to us for some reason, I think, depends on what your frame of mind...
And if you have a healthy frame of mind regarding this subject, and are not out to hurt or manipulate or use or abuse anyone, then I don't think it's as negative or a bad thing or an ungodly-like thing as you might think.
Well, I think it has to do with the way I treat people.
If I am possessed by demons, I try now, more than I ever have in my life, to be kind and loving to people.
I go out of my way to help people as much as I can.
I go all...
I've traveled pretty much all over the United States and in foreign countries now, and I never, ever cancel a lecture, even if there's only one person there.
So if that's something negative, I fail to see it.
Because I have touched and I've helped a lot of people all over the place.
And that's where I really get my reward from, is when people tell me, "Thank you because you've helped me with my concepts on death." Or when I was in Crete, one woman lost her son and I talked to her about the afterlife and how you didn't lose consciousness and how you moved on to another plane.
And that comforted her.
So I think that what I'm doing is a very, very positive thing.
and if people use the word demons as a negative then i really don't think it has anything to do with what i'm doing all right here is another facts please ask albert if the soul on the astral plane can interact with all the material world uh for example being able to operate a touch-type keyboard now that's a good question um I have not been able to move physical items.
I have had reports of people able to move, like Robert Monroe was able to move a dial or a diode or something, a dial and an instrument in another room when they did the clinical experiment with him.
I have heard of other people being able to move a little perfume bottle that's on a nightstand or something like that.
So I can say this, yes, it is very, very possible to do that, but it is very, very hard to focus your thoughts on the average to be capable of doing that.
But I would say it is definitely a possibility.
And matter of fact, what I wanted to do, see, I've also, not only did I write the screenplay for the movie, but I've also written three television shows for a possible television series.
And what I wanted to do is, you know, if you think about it, how can you keep having a show over and over again without, and just telling basically the kind of experiences I have?
You have to have a storyline that progresses.
I didn't want it to come to that hocus-pocus.
So what I did is I looked at the capabilities that a lot of people have reported.
I also looked at the Indian gurus or avatars or saints as we call them, like Sai Baba and Paramahanda Yogananda and the different people like that and some of the things that they were capable of doing.
So to me, I think we all are on this progressive path of becoming these spiritually aware individuals and with that kind of awareness come certain capabilities.
So I use those kind of capabilities that other people have been able to talk about, such as levitating also, and I slowly put that into the storyline where the character, the soul traveler, slowly progresses and is capable of doing some of these things.
That's the toughest hurdle that most people, because when you're at that fork in the road where you can either become so fearful that your heart starts pounding and you become more and more aware of the physical room around you, that draws you back.
That draws you back into your body faster than anything I could possibly imagine.
The best thing that I can say to someone is that what I've done in chapter 14 of my book is I've listed something that's called the interrupted sleep technique.
Now what that does is that interrupts your sleep pattern, where your consciousness and your physical body gets about four hours of sleep initially, but then you interrupt it.
Now the physical body still requires about four hours sleep.
So what that does is when you go back to bed, the body is so tired, it's a lot harder to interrupt it or to stop it or prevent it from going back to sleep.
So that's one of the easier ways is that it just goes to sleep and you can't do anything about it.
When I get off the air at 3 o'clock Pacific time, 3 o'clock in the morning, the adrenaline's pumping away, and I generally don't get to sleep until about 5 or 5.30.
I then sleep for about four hours.
I get up.
I do a whole lot of business during the day, whatever is going on.
And by late in the day, typically 5 o'clock, 4 o'clock, 5 o'clock in the afternoon, I go to sleep again, maybe just for two or three hours.
Well, being paralyzed is a very frightening, disorienting experience, one from which you tend to want to extricate yourself very quickly because you're not in control.
And, you know, it's like there's something on the other side that's scary and you want to snap back to this time, this consciousness.
And you know, I think, and I don't know this for sure, but I think maybe God designed it so that not everyone does step through that stargate, so to speak.
And stargate sounds, I'm really thinking about that.
But maybe it's designed that you get to that point where you feel all these emotions and you go back.
Because maybe not all of us, I don't know for sure, are ready for that type of experience.
So that kind of keeps you from having something that may blow your mind or blow you away.
I don't know.
All I know is that it took me a long time to overcome that.
But sometimes, and see, it just depends on how fast that disconnection process happens.
If it happens real slow, that's agonizing.
If it takes a long time and you're in the paralysis for a long time, and that is terrible.
But sometimes it happens so fast, next thing I know, matter of fact, I wasn't even aware that I was disconnected.
I just started rising above the body.
So it all depends.
Now, the thing that you do regarding your sleep pattern is ideal for having an out-of-body experience.
That's the perfect thing.
Four hours sleep, wake up, do something.
If you don't eat when you wake up the first time, that's even better because that saves that energy that your body's going to use for processing food, for leaving the body.
So try that next time.
Don't eat.
Drink water or whatever, but don't eat.
The thing that I say, if you do that all the time, Art, you're very fortunate because most people have to sleep eight hours and get up and go to work and they can't do what you do.
But if you really want to do this, take advantage of the situation and just keep doing it over and over again where you become complacent and you become more relaxed with it when you realize nothing has happened to you negative.
That is negative.
And the more comfortable you feel about it, the easier it's going to be for you to actually transition beyond the physical body.
Well, the silver cord is something that has baffled me for a while because in a lot of metaphysical or let's say esoteric teachings, they talk about the silver cord.
But I have looked for mine, I mean, extensively, looked around, flipped around, whatever, and I have not been able to locate one.
Plus, the silver cord is alleged to be attached from the physical body to the astral body.
Now, I have, when you achieve higher states of awareness or vibrational states, I've had to slip or leave the astral body behind.
And there was no silver cord connected to my etheric body or light body.
So I have not seen it, but I do kind of have a theory about it.
My theory is, and I may be off on this one, but this is my theory on it, is that it's kind of like the silver cord is kind of like leaving breadcrumbs.
So you know, kind of, you can kind of follow it on back and find your body if that's what you're worried about, because you really don't have to worry about that at all.
But I think there may be a part of your consciousness that may provide it or produce it.
And because Robert Monroe never mentioned anything about a silver cord, I have really looked for mine because I thought that's where there really was one.
Now, I'm not saying that there isn't.
I'm saying that I have not been able to experience it, and I have tried numerous times.
I've tried that because I was having such a great experience.
I didn't want to come back right away.
But because of a divine organization and divine plan, the body has a capability or whatever to recall the astral or spirit consciousness.
So what happens is while you're out, let's say out at the moon or beyond the stars, you start becoming more and more aware of what's going on in the physical room and in your body than you are of where you are, where your consciousness is.
And you start feeling like you're being drawn or pulled, and eventually you can't hold on any longer, and there may be an incredible acceleration, extreme visual blur where you can't make anything out because you're traveling so fast, and you may end up feeling like as if you're slammed or dropped into your body.
But you can't, I mean, you can only stay out so long.
So you really don't have to worry about getting lost.
You don't have to worry about staying out so long that your body dies or that you die or lose your way back because no matter if you want to or not, you're going to be recalled back.
Do you think that if you began to have some severe physical distress during your out-of-body experience, in other words, your body began to experience, you know, whatever, that that would pull you back?
First of all, it's not like you stepped out of a pair of old coveralls and you're down the street and you have zero sensation of what's going on with the coveralls.
It's not like that at all.
You very much are still in tune and connected with what's going on with the body.
And if you're really good at it, a lot of people, the last time I was on your show, a lady described it as being in two places at the same time.
If you're really good at it, you can have your consciousness, which is projected to one location, and you can switch back and forth to the location where your physical body is.
So you're not really disconnected.
If someone comes into the room and touches you for any reason, you will be back instantly.
And if they come into the room and are just milling around the room, your consciousness may not be in the room, but you will be very aware of that.
You know, to me, this is what's wonderful about it, is that, first of all, gravity and the physical plane does not dictate to the physical, to the spirit in any shape or form.
So it is very, very natural for the spirit or astral form, whatever you want to call it, to be able to fly above the ground and to do things that you wouldn't normally think of.
But to me, this is what's wonderful.
And I ask people this all the time, is don't you think it's strange that here you are, a human who has never flown in his physical life at all, but yet when you have a dream that you're flying, it feels very natural.
That is something very, very peculiar if you think about it.
I have gone into caves and mountains, and the cave ended, and I had to pass through the wall of the cave to exit on the other side.
In the early days, when I thought, when I would fly over, like say leap off of a building and try to fly to the next building top, while flying I would think oh god I hope I don't fall and with that very thought I have plummeted to the earth but never have I been injured I have hit the ground they say if you hit the ground you die well I have hit the ground and I have leaned across the ground I have bounced off the ground I have gone through the ground that's like a roadrunner
cartoon you know where they go zooming off the mountain they look down their feet could do about a million miles an hour they realize they're out there in the middle of nowhere then they fall exactly I don't like that huh yeah well the thing is the reason that you transition from from the physical body to any kind of reality be it a physical or a non-physical reality is because of your thoughts of focusing your thoughts so when you say or if the thought pops into your head I hope I don't fall
the experience responds to that thought so and I think that's kind of like that gives you a clue as to what we really are here we are all we have to do is focus our thoughts and we're capable of experiencing these incredible things in the body and out of the body one of the things that I thought was a hoax is the capability of bending metal objects like the great Kreskin remember him oh yes I used to think that was a hoax
back then I thought oh yeah he hired a bunch of people out in the audience to have bent keys in their pockets but after I started exploring this particular thing because once you get into this you'd be surprised how many other avenues and books open up but once I started exploring it I went to one of these sessions it's called a TK party for psychokinetic energy party and during that party there were about 30 of us who had spoons in our hands and
the person went through the the the guidelines of how to do it and eventually we were to attempt to bend these spoons now the friend of mine that I was with actually bent their spoon I didn't bend my spoon because I was too busy looking at everyone else but my friend bent the spoon and I was shocked at that because I knew this person if it had been anyone else I would have thought it was probably part of the gimmick but I asked this person I said wait a minute I know you how did you do
that and the person replied to me I just believed that I could Well, I don't dismiss that at all.
I've interviewed a number of very legitimate scientists, including Dr. Holland from Para, Inc., who did a lot of the work at Princeton, and it would appear as though this sort of thing is absolutely possible.
Absolutely possible.
He talked a little bit about spoonbending, and he hedged a little bit, suggesting that some of it is hoax, but he said, I did it myself, and it wasn't.
Matter of fact, the first time that I tried it, after I started really thinking, well, my friend said they just believed, so I realized that my thoughts and my doubts, I had to dismiss all of those, and I had to forget about it.
Luckily, no one was there except for my dog.
I had to think about, I'm just going to do this because I believe that I can.
The first time that I attempted it, I carried a spoon around with me still.
Not only did I bend the spoon, but I bent it in a curlicue.
So I was totally amazed that I could do this.
But then the question popped into my head, who am I or what am I or what are we that we can affect physical objects such as metal with our minds.
And that's what I'm talking about, what we're on our path and what we, each of us, are evolving into.
And you visualize that energy slowly moving down through your shoulder and down your arm through your elbow and your forearm and into the spoon itself.
How do you know, though, that you're not psychologically suggesting to yourself so strongly that that spoon will bend that you are not putting the pressure necessary to bend the spoon?
Yes, because light speed only applies to the physical plane.
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plane how about time travel definitely all right those are two areas then that we are going to tackle when we come back which will be in a moment i'm art bell and this is coast to coast a m you're listening to art bell somewhere in time on premiere radio networks tonight an oncore presentation of coast to coast a m from september 5th 1997.
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Music Remember, folks, there are no sexual harassment lawsuits on the astral plane.
Right, Al?
Before we leave this subject entirely, I've got a fax here, I guess, generated by our conversation that I find interesting.
Dear Art and Al, I have had astral sex, just as your guest has described.
I've had less than six astral travel experiences, like you explain.
It is so very hard and difficult to let go.
So that that's why I have so few travels.
Anyway, I wanted to travel out to the universe of stars.
I found myself instead walking on a sidewalk street scene with Adobe Holmes.
And upon meeting two pretty ladies walking in my direction, I had an impulse of having sex with one of them.
So obviously he limits himself.
An attraction, he says.
And as we met, we literally mingled together and had this, and the sexual orgasm was very sensational and electrifying, thereafter making sex on earth very localized and much less satisfying.
In other words, is it good in the sense that you've got to come back down to Earth sometime, old phrase, and when you are back, if the real thing, the physical thing, is less than the astral thing, is that good?
Well, I wouldn't say it's good, and I wouldn't say it's bad.
It's kind of like this.
When you leave the physical body, people who've had near-death experiences have had kind of a euphoria, a nirvana, where this is where I'm really from.
The earth is just a very temporary thing and just a school.
So having that experience, which makes you understand yourself a hundredfold and is a wonderful experience, then all of a sudden you come back to the physical body.
Well, yes, it is tougher because that experience is far better and far more pleasurable than being in the physical body.
But it also educates you and makes you more aware that you are something far more than the physical body.
So I would say if you became obsessed with it, yes, I would say that would be negative.
But if you just enjoyed the experience for what it is, a long-time thing, then you'd be okay.
It is something that's something that I can talk about because I have experienced it.
But I don't give a lot of warnings regarding astral projection, soul travel, out-of-body experiences, whatever you want to call it.
I don't give a lot of warnings, but one of the warnings that I do give is about time travel.
Because what we're talking about, whether you believe it or not, what we're talking about, the capability of your consciousness or soul leaving the body is a very real thing.
It is not your imagination.
You really are capable of doing this.
Time is an element of the physical world only.
When you're in that state, you are capable of not only transitioning time to the past, but actually going into the future.
Sometimes, and through my experience, because I'm a researcher, you know, I'm an engineer scientist, that's what I do.
I wanted to experiment with time.
So I've experienced and witnessed some of past lives that I'd never even knew existed, but I wanted to go into the future.
When I did do that, I saw something in my own future that I didn't particularly care for.
And some people say, well, time, things can be changed, right?
You know, time is not, future is not set in stone.
Well, that's true.
The future is probable, but because we are going through this life guided, it is not unguided, there are certain things that are structured to happen in individuals, in our individual lives, because those things are structured to teach us lessons and to help us evolve.
Okay, well, you know, I've said some people think that they'll go into the future and they'll see what's happening in the future on a global scale, maybe.
I thought about that, but because I did so much to try to avoid it, I mean proactive, that it still transpired.
So all I can say, and it's a risk.
If anyone is going to attempt it, just, and I don't say don't do it.
I'm saying be advised that if you do do this, you could possibly see something in your future that may have to transpire, and you may have to come back and deal with it.
So that was a tough cookie to swallow for me.
I mean, I'm past it and all that, but I can tell you the experience while I was in it was not fun.
While we're on that subject, you know my two lost packages with UPS, bless their hearts.
I mean, are there practical applications to soul travel?
For example, I have two packages I desperately want, and UPS has one in Las Vegas where they've been storing it for me instead of shipping it, apparently.
And the other they can't find at all.
Now, could a person, painful as it might be, no doubt with the backlog they have, search through their boxes and find specific boxes.
And you don't have to travel out of body to do these things.
And all you have to do is, well, I'm not saying it's 100%, but these are the places, the people who've tried this and it have had positive results, is right before going to sleep, request, I'd like to know what the answer to a particular problem or where a particular item is.
And these people that have done this, and I have, is you wake up in the morning with an idea of where this thing is, or you wake up in the morning with a problem that you've been milling over for days instantly solved, and you wonder how come you didn't think of it before.
So definitely you can do that.
And definitely one woman went to bed one night she lost her car keys several days before was using a spare and the night before she went to bed she said I'd like to find my car keys please show me where they are.
So that night she had a dream of the keys being in the vase by her door, a little vase, you know, by her door.
So that morning she gets up with the dream fresh in her head, jumps up and runs to the vase, pulls all the things out of the vase, pours it out, and her keys fall out of the vase.
So it's definitely, you're definitely capable of doing that.
I was pretty much, I was fascinated by it because I wanted to understand what that was, what was going on.
I don't believe that it was someone who was out of body.
I don't know if it was, because they took pictures, because there was physical evidence, there was bite marks on Carlotta in places that she just could not bite herself between her shoulder blades, things like that.
That tells me that it is far more possibly than a mental condition or mental illness.
She was having experiences that they just could not explain.
Plus, I believe they did an experiment in the gym and there was some damage or something that happened to a structure in the gym during the experiment.
So I don't know what that thing was.
I have not run into that kind of energy source or form.
You know, I don't take away God's responsibility for anything.
I don't know if God has put this experience in my life to help me to evolve.
I wouldn't say that I'm in control of everything because I do definitely believe that God and my guides, because that's who I have encounters with a lot, or guardian angels or whatever you want to call them, I believe that they have been directing me a lot.
Regarding these experiences, that has to do with what I think we are.
First of all, we have free will.
Every religious belief practically believes that we do have free will, and we do.
We would not be able to learn if we did not.
If we were just regimented and we'd be like racing cars in a slot.
We wouldn't be able to pass, turn, or do things on our own to improve our situation.
So I believe because of our free will and because of what we truly are, in my case, I believe that we are all going to be co-creators with God.
Not God, but co-creators.
I believe that we're all evolving to that state.
So evolving to that state with free will, of course, you're going to have capabilities of doing things on your own.
And I believe that's kind of what it is.
Now, whether you choose to do something negative or positive is a matter of free will.
Now, I choose to have a positive perception on what I'm talking about.
I don't focus on The negative, and I don't do anything to harm anyone because that is totally against what I believe in.
I can only give you my belief and understanding about it and give you my ideals.
And my ideals, I would say, if any, very little, if none at all.
That's how I feel about it.
Most of the people that I have met, and I've met hundreds of people, I mean, people in the States and out of the states who are having these, and most of them seem to have some kind of spiritual foundation or understanding of what this thing is all about and that it's not to be abused.
Because, like I said, when you leave the body, you do think and feel a lot differently than you do while in the body.
Things, like for instance, I have had some disputes with people while in the physical body that I would normally not go around them at all because I felt repelled by them.
But in the astral form or outer body, those feelings no longer mattered.
I no longer felt resentment or any type of irritation because of the person.
Matter of fact, I felt just the opposite.
So you think very, very differently, and that has to do with what we really are.
When you leave the body, you're more in a soul state of consciousness rather than a human state.
See, the thing is, see, what we're still talking about is what are we?
And like I said, we're evolving to something, and we have capabilities.
Just like we have capabilities of a, we are capable of affecting metal surfaces or metal spoons, we are also capable of affecting things on a cellular level.
Me, for instance, in my book, I don't harpe on this a lot because I don't want to sound like this is a miracle cure for everything.
But five to six years ago, I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.
And I had two major severe attacks that landed me in the hospital.
My doctor told me, I'm sorry, the prognosis doesn't look good.
It looks like eventually you're going to end up in a wheelchair.
I refused to accept that.
I thought, no, there has to be something going on.
I decided that maybe I was on the wrong path in life, and maybe that's why this thing was manifesting.
So while out of the physical body, I thought about looking back at my physical body, I thought about healing the physical body.
And I must say, and it didn't take long at all, because over a matter of maybe two or three weeks, all of the symptoms and all of the damage that I had incurred to my occipital lobe, primary occipital lobe, which is in the back of the head, began to either it diminished or it totally receded completely and disappeared.
And here it is, six years later, I have not had any repeat attacks whatsoever.
I have regained all my physical functions, my high case.
I had extreme eye jitter, double vision, things like that.
And I have absolutely zero symptoms and zero remnants of that debilitating disease.
Okay, let me tell you a little story about Daniel.
Sure.
When he knew what was occurring to him the other day, he called his cousin.
His cousin took him to the hospital.
His cousin told me that on the way to the hospital, Daniel didn't say two words to him.
Daniel knew what was occurring, and he was already going into a sort of meditative state, and that this has occurred with him many times before, not this specific thing, but many close to death things.
And he goes to work on himself.
He literally heals himself.
and for that reason he's got no visitors don't want people to come to the hospital and all the rest of it he is People around him were dying.
He said, it prevented me from doing the kind of concentration I wanted.
He demanded a room, a private room in intensive care and got it, where he is in a deep meditative state working on himself.
And I wonder if it's related to exactly what you've been talking about.
Because first of all, when you go into the past, if there are some things that maybe you should not know, because I'm not saying you have access to everything.
If there are some things that you should not know, whether they be in the past or the future.
Let's say they are beings that have been assigned to us to help guide us through life because it would be very, very difficult going through daily life without some kind of spiritual guidance or help.
In another case, now see, this is something that Daniel and I talked about, but I don't really talk to a lot of people about this because this is something that if you're an experiencer, you understand it, but if you're not, it sounds like the guy is nuts.
And I don't want to, heaven forbid, I would want to take the risk.
And I thought, and at that point, I was like, like Art says, I was so scared that if I went with this anymore, if I continued to relax and go with this, I'd just be shooting through space and startled myself back to the physical, right?
I feel very fortunate that I stumbled upon it because I've had a chance to not only experiment on myself, but I've experimented with hundreds of my students.
And there is a great percentage, about 60% or so, of my students who have tried it exactly like I laid it out, who have had these experiences.
Well, you know, this is the only way I can look at this.
I understand how, since I have run into so many people who have very stringent religious backgrounds who feel that maybe this is the work of the devil or this is evil or you should not do that.
I can only say this, and this means more to me than what someone else told me I should believe.
I know that since I have found out that I am more than this physical body, I know that the people that I've had in my life and affected in my life and that continue to come into my life, that I affect them in a positive sense.
They definitely feel comforted that I'm able to share something with them that is happening to them without their consent.
It's happening whether they want to do it or not.
So I know that, and it's been a long, I've been lecturing about this for a couple years now, and I've been having it all my life.
And I know that I get hugs from people who say thank you because I thought something was wrong with me.
And like my mother, 76 years old.
She's had an experience with her guardian angel after 70, some odd years, and now she understands a lot more of who she is.
I can't see there would be anything wrong with finding out and talking to guardian angels and guides that are around you.
That's what they're there for.
A lot of times, we become so immersed and so submerged, I should say, in the everyday-to-day life of living here on earth that we're not able to hear them.
I'd say, Art, in some cases, there are religious dogmatic beliefs that hold you back from finding out who and what you really are.
I have a problem, especially when the results or the manifestations of this understanding and finding these things out have all been positive.
I have a problem when people say you can't do these things, especially when no one's being hurt and when people are benefiting.
Just because they say you can't, most of the people, matter of fact, I'd say 100% of the people who've told me this is evil or this is something negative, 100% of those people are non-experiencers.
People who have had near-death experiences have thought that this is the most wonderful thing, capability you could ever, ever imagine.
Look at the popularity of the near-death experience books.
So I have a problem when people tell you you can't find out more about yourself or that you shouldn't talk to angels and guys.
I think that they are here for us to talk to, and I think most of us aren't listening.
And I've been getting a lot of faxes all day referring to these two passings and suggesting that the good people are leaving now and I'm beginning to feel left out.
In other words, suggesting that something major is about to occur and the better souls are on their way now ahead of whatever tribulation lies ahead.
So many people, because when you have an out-of-body experience, it doesn't feel very abnormal.
And a lot of times, you don't know it.
You think you're in your physical body because you feel as if you have legs, arms, and everything.
So many people get up in the middle of the night.
That's one of the best indications is if you wake up twice, where you wake up once and you get up and walk around, and then all of a sudden you find out you never did any of that.
You, you were very disconnected where you came back and put your arm through the wall and all that.
That's wonderful.
It really is.
It seems so wonderful at the time.
Of course not.
Because it's the unknown.
It's a new experience and you don't know how to take it.
And you automatically, we as humans always jump to the negative.
So we automatically think there's something wrong with this.
But that's because of our conditioning.
All it was is that you didn't know what was going on.
But it's truly wonderful.
Think about this.
Before this happened, and now that it has happened, don't you think of yourself as a little bit different than you did before?
I experienced sleep paralysis for one period of my life, but never since then.
I was just wondering if I can get an answer on why not.
It happened when I was in seventh grade.
I would wake up for school, get ready, and then while waiting for the bus, I would lie down on the couch and watch the flintstones, and then I'd fall asleep sometimes.
And while I was asleep, I could sometimes hear the bus, and I'd think, okay, I have to wake up and get outside to catch the bus.
But sometimes I'd wake up and experience the paralysis, and I couldn't move, and it actually caused me to miss the bus a few times.
Yeah, the reason is it happened to me one time, and I was flying for a company up in Alaska, up in St. Mary's, Alaska, and there's a hangar that we used to have, and when we'd get fogged in, sometimes I'd go up there and catch some shut-eye.
And that's the only time it's ever happened up there.
Well, you know, I was thinking at first, St. Mary's out there, there's a lot of history out there, and I was thinking just the place was haunted at first because I was talking to another guy that I flew with once I moved into Anchorage, and he was based out there as well, and we both, you know, slept in that same location,
and it just kind of conversation brought up in one of our flights one day, and I told him about it, and he says, yeah, the same thing has happened to him out there, and he thought the place was haunted, but he didn't want to tell anybody, so we kind of kept it between the two of us.
But it was a pretty scary situation when it happened.
I was on my back, like what you said earlier, and that's when it worried.
I was definitely on my back, and I could see the room, but I couldn't move.
And it seemed like there was something there, something about ready to get me.
And so I started moving the hand or finger a little bit and, you know, trying to get out of this thing the best I could.
And finally, I jerked myself awake, but it was a pretty alarming experience.
So I'm not sure if a geographical location does or does not have an effect on it because I have been able to have experiences and have had students who've had experiences irregardless of geographical location.
I wanted to know about the initial stage right before leaving the body.
I've felt this ever since I was really little.
It felt like almost a Doppler effect, something coming towards me, and then as it passed, something leaving me, and it got really, really loud, you know, the vibration stage.
Right.
And I never knew what it was until I heard your previous program on the Art Bell Show.
And then I said, wow, that sounds a lot like what happened to me.
But it happened so fast that I have no time to say, okay, settle down, just let it happen.
It just happens and it feels like I fly five feet out of the air and then smack right back down on the ground and I feel like my arms and legs are everywhere.
But then when I look around, you know, my arms are at my side and my legs are straight out and I'm on my back like I was originally.
And I want to be able to have some control so I can let it happen.
And even when I was little and had sleepovers and my friend next to me, I say, hey, did you see that or did you feel that?
Did you see me fly up in the air?
And he's looking at me like, what's wrong with you?
That's when you're transitioning from a slower vibration, which is the earth, I mean, which is a physical plane, to a higher vibration, and you hear a lot of things.
Sometimes the sound represents all, and this is something that I found out, all the thoughts in the area that you could possibly imagine.
Well, the astral body, once the interesting about the astral body is, yes, it does simulate arms, legs, and a torso and a head, but it is like, it's totally, it's like, you remember the old green gumbies we used to have when we were a kid, the little green thing you could bend in any direction?
That's kind of how the astral form is.
It can pretty much simulate any shape or distance or stretch or curve or even turn yourself into an astral pretzel.
The astral body is capable of doing anything because, of course, it's boneless, boneless and muscle-less.
And it's only a product of thought.
So that might be why you felt that your arms and legs were all over the place, but then when you looked at your physical body, they weren't.
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Right.
But what I'm saying is at that point, I mean, it comes and goes so quickly that I have no time to allow it to, you know, as that vibration leaves, it's like I'm back in my body and everything.
The one thing you can do, or two things you can do, first of all, like I said before, if you've been listening to the program, I said the experience that you have while out of body or even the process of getting out of body, a lot of it responds to you saying, I want.
I want to do this.
So next time that happens, say, I want the vibration to increase.
Well, that's when the interrupted sleep technique comes into play because that gives you that extra added leverage that you need so your body won't respond to you even if you do feel fearful.
It will still fall asleep because it needs sleep so bad.
If you just do it normally, chances are that you could wake yourself up.
But if you use the interrupted sleep technique that's mentioned in my book in chapter 14, that will give you enough leverage that you possibly will be able to get out a lot easier.
I would say no, you could not because, first of all, you're not alone and your guides are monitoring you every second of the way and they're not going to let you disrupt someone else's life pattern or lessons that another person has to learn.
They will stop you.
As a matter of fact, Robert Monroe called it clicking out and me, I call it just losing consciousness where I was out of body and the next thing I knew, I was dreaming and back in my body and had no idea how I'd gotten back.
So there is such a thing as if you get in over your head or you start behaving in a way that is not healthy for you or anyone else, there is a good chance that you experience what's known as it's clicking out.
Because I don't want to seem to sound like there's some kind of all-powerful demonic being out there that's going to be torturing these poor little souls that leave their body.
It's not quite that way.
You are very much on equal ground with most of the entities that you come in contact with, and the ones that you aren't are so enlightened that you don't have to worry about them being a threat.
I did say that I don't label the entities that I've run into as evil, but I do say that I have run into some that have tried to play games with me and scare me and do a lot of other things.
But what I realized is that I am not on uneven ground.
I am very much equal to them.
I just didn't know it.
And if I could control my fear, usually I'm very capable of handling the situation.
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Well, see, I thought that I was the only person seeing this thing for a long time, but my wife has seen it.
All my friends, well, my close friends have seen it.
And it's like it follows me around.
I mean, I moved down here from Wyoming, and sometimes I'll see it here in my house.
I mean, next time, and this is just an experiment that I would want you to do if I were studying the case, I would want you to ask it, what do you want?
Who are you?
Some kind of query.
You never know.
It may not answer, but you never know.
It may have something to input.
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Well, it used to scare the hell out of my wife because one night we were sleeping and she woke me up screaming and she said there was somebody on the ceiling.
I thought, you've got to be crazy.
It's four in the morning.
There's nobody on the ceiling.
But she said, and she described exactly what I had seen.
And then the same night or a night later, I don't remember, she had seen the same thing only he was sitting on the floor looking at us.
I'm not a very superstitious person or anything like that, but if you're having a situation that is frightening like that and more than one person is seeing it, I would seek alternative methods to rid yourself of the problem.
Well, during the life experience, during a lifetime, we learned a lot of things.
And the things we learn have to do with maybe love, compassion, acceptance, tolerance, and a host of other things.
Sometimes we don't always, well, more times than not, we don't get all of it or don't evolve and accept all of it in one lifetime.
Sometimes we leave lessons undone.
So it takes numerous lessons in some cases or expressions or lifetimes to absorb this information and to actually practice it.
So that's one of the reasons that we do reincarnate is because we are evolving.
And we are evolving toward perfection.
And when I say perfection, I do mean co-creator with God.
You're not going to be flawed when you're co-creator.
You can't be angry and hold resentments if you're going to have incredible power to co-create because you would misuse it.
So it kind of works hand in hand.
Like Sai Baba said once, an individual, Sai Baba is an avatar in India, and he manifests all kinds of things, vivuti, which is sacred ash, jewelry, rice, and a host of other things.
Another guy, one of his followers, said, I'd like to be able to manifest jewelry and money.
And Sai Baba said, when you have risen to the point or evolved to the point where you can do these things, you will no longer have a need for them.
So it kind of works that way.
That's what we're doing is we're evolving to the point and reincarnation seems to be the best vehicle for us to have these earth-life experiences or expressions and which help us to evolve.
I know it has helped me tremendously just in this lifetime alone.
And during about a six-month period, I started having really intense dreams.
And kind of like one of the callers said previously about a black figure during these experiences, I started experiencing this through, like I said, a series of dreams that lasted about three months.
And they were a lot more than dreams, and they all varied.
I actually could have sworn I've talked to people that were deceased.
Deceased?
Yes.
And total strangers.
And I thought it was really odd that they said, well, we're dead.
And I was amazed by this.
And they told me that in the afterlife that the existence of it was whatever you wanted, whatever you wanted, whatever you could imagine, that was the existence.
And I thought that was really odd.
I told my mom about it.
And she's very spiritual as well.
So she told me that I communicated with the deceased.
Well, so that was just one of these strange dreams I had.
I've taught myself to fly in my dreams.
And that kind of started out this whole series of dreams was teaching myself to fly because this black figure would chase me.
I mean, smells, I mean, adrenaline was unbelievable, and the utter fear.
And basically, this figure was chasing me, and it entwined me.
I mean, it was shapeless at times and totally entwined me, and I was struggling to get free, and then I realized I remembered what this elder Native American had told me, and I transformed myself into a wolf and actually overcame this dark being.
And ever since I overcame this being, I have not been able to reach that point of dream awareness.
And I guess overall my question is, how could I start to, I guess, get back into that state of mind or that state of spiritual or dream awareness?
It's a guide to help you achieve exactly what you just asked me about.
And I dedicated chapter 14 to techniques on how to do this.
You can read the others, which kind of gives you a lot of familiar things that have happened to me and a lot of things that I've learned along the way.
But chapter 14 pretty much has the techniques on how to do this.
And I suggest that you read that.
And in chapter 14, the most valuable piece of information that I could possibly offer anybody is the interrupted sleep technique.
And read it and perform it exactly as I said without any reservations or ideas on how it should turn out.
And just do it several times in a row.
And you'd be surprised that you probably will have some kind of result.
unidentified
Great.
Art, could you give that number again for this book?
I was thinking the same thing, and I think we may have opened a whole new can of worms that we may explore next week.
unidentified
That would be a great idea, Because you know, I want to tell all the callers up and all the listeners, don't fool around with that stuff because it's really serious.
Those could be fallen angels.
The Bible specifically mentions fallen angels and evil entities, you know, misplaced souls, displaced souls.