Jim Keith’s Casebook on the Men in Black explores government-linked black ops—like Admiral Turner’s "black operations"—and supernatural theories, from Roswell artifact suppression to Dr. Hopkins’ 1976 Maine encounter involving a faceless MIB and a vanished penny. Callers describe eerie cases: Gina’s paralyzing whitish-gray figure, Roxanne’s childhood syringe sighting, and Steve’s grandmother’s stolen brooch tied to the Knights of the Apocalypse (a 1600s Catholic order). Keith links MIB to black helicopters, CIA biowarfare (Clostridium bacteria, nicotine tranquilizers), and Alternative 3’s elite escape theories, though only 5% of cases defy rational explanation. Meanwhile, Art Bell warns of gene therapy as a potential ethnic weapon—like Rwanda’s Hutus or Nazi-era experiments—and promotes his book Quickening, while callers compare MIB mysteries to unresolved crimes like Kunanen’s death and the Kennedy assassination, hinting at systemic cover-ups. [Automatically generated summary]
I'm going to be doing something this morning that's way ahead of time.
I'm going to be playing for the first time on commercial radio, really any radio, parts of the new Cusco album of Peramac 3 that I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for.
And it's here.
And oh my, is it good?
So you will hear portions, no doubt, of that.
It's going to return to Native America Peramac 3, and let me tell you, it is something.
All right.
The beginning of Jim Keith's book says, this stuff is black, black, black.
That's a quote, not of the author, but of Admiral Stansfield Turner, former director of the CIA.
He said, this stuff is black, black, black.
And I wonder, Jim, was he referring to the men in black?
Did he get a question, Jim, about the men in black that caused a retort of that sort?
He is a lieutenant colonel who was at the very highest levels of government, even in the White House, who has written a book called The Day After Roswell.
Basically broken down, he received materials from Roswell and seeded them into American industry.
It is an absolutely incredible story.
I'm talking, of course, about artifacts of an alien crash or several alien crashes.
And here's a fellow who was in the very highest levels of government telling his story.
The book is on the bestseller list.
If you believe the colonel, who is 82 years old and has no reason to lie, and if you believe that, then a leap to believe that there are men who will come and take care of any evidence of this sort of thing before it gets public.
You know, it's surprisingly close in terms of my viewpoint.
I don't claim to be omniscient about this subject or anything.
But one of the problems that people have in understanding all kinds of strange events is that they try to pigeonhole them in one category, whereas most of them have more than one source.
And that applies to UFOs and angels, Bigfoot, and it includes the men in black.
And for my true opinion about the men in black, I think that these encounters have at least four types.
And those include the government that has been trying to shut up witnesses since at least the early 50s.
Much as UFO buffs don't like to hear it, I think there's delusion about this too.
But actually, there are hoaxers in the UFO community, and that includes many prominent UFO researchers.
And then, in addition to that, surprising me as I did this research is that there's apparently a supernatural connection.
There really is a supernatural men in black.
And that's a category that we seem to know a whole lot about, but at the same time cannot explain whatsoever.
As far as the government having this kind of alien connection that has been fed into the technology and so forth, it's quite possible.
But I always use this kind of Occam's razor thing.
I have not seen any proof of that.
I do believe that there are all kinds of advanced government programs and that there have been government aircraft that conform to the shape of flying saucers, but I've never seen that single bit of data or that one that got away that proves that these advanced technologies come from aliens.
Jim, what led you to even consider writing a book like this, which by its very title would, I would assume, to chronicle what history we know of the men in black?
You know, I got interested in UFO and the occult at the age of seven.
That was in 1957.
And I believed every word that these wild contactees like Adam Ski and Truman Berthrum had to say about their flights to Venus and so forth.
And I've continued to have an interest in the paranormal.
Now, why I specifically dug into the men in black is really for the obvious reason.
It's very interesting.
And that's how I choose my next book at any given time, is what is piquing my own interest so that my research is really more like play than it is like doing a day job.
And since this new movie comes out, which seems, I have not seen it, but it seems like the Glorified Ghostbusters, I think that the Men in Black is going to overtake the black helicopters in terms of people tossing these references about and so forth.
As far as any connection, it is rather minimal.
I know of one or two cases of black helicopters that have been connected to men in black, but that's out of literally hundreds of these black helicopters.
You know, I believe this is really confirmed by CIA and FBI reports.
Really at the beginning of people's interest in UFOs right around late 1940s, early 1950s, where they talk about infiltrating groups of UFO aficionados and to investigate them because they may be up to subversive things.
Now, going over literally hundreds of these men in black encounters, I've come to the conclusion that they involve copycatting.
And that is that government men wear black suits, drive black cars, they simulate paranormality.
I mean, if your local government guy drove up in an orange car with a striped tie and some sort of loud sport jacket, you probably wouldn't take him nearly so seriously as if he were dressed, as you point out, in black with a black hat and a big old black car.
When you see something like that coming, you're going, oh.
Well, let me tell you, Jim, I've had visits from government agents, various alphabet-type organizations connected to the work that I do here.
And they are, even though they seem easygoing and very nice guys, there is no question about it, Jim.
I'm just talking about normal government agents here.
In black suits, you know they're carrying.
They've got a sort of a serious we're here and you don't want to mess with this kind of attitude about them.
And even though they're very nice and very calm, there's no question about the fact that there is an aura of intimidation that you could cut with a knife.
You don't want to mess with these guys even if they don't have these eyes that bug out of their head or a weird kaleidoscope unit that they train on your eyes.
You know, I mean, yeah, you're saying they're intimidating enough.
One of the most interesting one that always kind of sticks in my craw happened to a Dr. Hopkins in Maine in 1976.
And he had been hypnotically regressing an alleged UFO abductee.
And he was met or contacted by a man in black who was bald, had dead white skin, and no lips.
The lips were simulated with lipstick.
This man in black discussed the UFO abduction case that the doctor was digging into in a monotone.
He sounded like a robot.
And then he apparently used EFP.
He said, doctor, you have a dime and a penny in your pocket.
The doctor reached in, and that's what he did have in his pocket.
The man in the black told him to hold the penny in his open hand.
And as the doctor looked at the penny, it turned silver, then blue, and then it slowly dematerialized.
There was no chance for sleight of hand or ledger domain.
The doctor was holding this and looking close while it slowly dematerialized.
Now, this man in black asked Dr. Hopkins, if he knew of another famous UFO abductee, actually Barney Hill, who had recently died from a heart attack, and Hopkins responded that he did.
And the man in black told him that it was no heart attack that had taken Barney Hill, but the same thing had happened to Barney Hill's heart that had happened to that penny in the doctor's hand.
One of the reasons I like the Dr. Hopkins story is it wasn't anecdotal.
When I received it, it was done in very much detail, and this detail was received from Dr. Hopkins' kids, because Hopkins was not talking after this happened, but it took place in Maine in 1976, and Hopkins had been doing some UFO research on his own and regressing an alleged UFO abductee when a man showed up at his doorstep, and this was a man in black.
This guy was bald.
He had very tasty white skin, and apparently he possessed known lips.
The lips seemed to have been painted on with lipstick.
And oddly enough, that's a detail that's repeated in other stories where the facial features are simulated.
But this man in black talked with the doctor about his research.
And then he told the doctor that there was a dime and a penny in the doctor's pocket.
He reached in, and that's what was there.
The man in black instructed the doctor to take the penny in his open hand, and as the doctor looked at the penny, with no sleight of hand, this all took place quite slowly, it turned silver, then blue, and then it dematerialized.
And the way that the doctor expressed that this had taken place was that he felt the absence of the weight of the penny on his hand.
This man in black asked Hopkins if he had ever heard of a well-known UFO abductee, Barney Hill, who had recently died from a heart attack.
And Hopkins said that he had heard of Barney Hill.
And the man in black informed Dr. Hopkins that, in fact, this was no heart attack, but the same thing had happened to Barney Hill's heart as had happened to the penny in Dr. Hopkins' hand.
And that was the last that Hopkins was ever involved in UFO research.
He burned all of his tapes, got rid of all of his books.
And like I said, the only reason we know about this is because his kids were willing to talk about it.
Right, and that's a familiar theme, of course, with the Men in Black, is that people find out about the secret of the UFOs or they see a particularly spectacular sighting, and then they are encouraged in no uncertain terms to keep their mouths shut about.
Well, you know, I can imagine that if somebody like that came to my door, assuming that I lived through the initial sighting of this thing, and it placed, it, you know, did that to me with a penny in my hand, I would be inclined to go along with Dr. Hopkins.
Now, it's easy to sit out here and for the audience to say, oh, wouldn't have stopped me.
Baloney, if that occurred to you, you'd think 25 times when something occurred in your very own hand and you were told, well, that's what happened to somebody else's heart, and the obvious direct implication is this could be your heart.
You know, us fearless UFO researchers and researchers into conspiracy, you don't really know how you would react when push came to shove and there was a truly significant threat.
But one aspect that I would like to talk about is sort of UFOs created by government.
And I think there are a lot of reasons to believe that the U.S. and maybe other governments have been, in fact, since the early 1950s, testing these kind of exotic aircraft that the men in black might want to shut people up about.
I had a newspaper person down in Arizona sent me a story of his indicating that some flight or squadron of planes had been flying over Phoenix that night, and this explains everything.
The problem is that nobody, the military, the flight controllers at the Phoenix Tower saw anything on radar.
Now, in fact, one of the places where this triangular craft is most often seen is around secret testing bases in California, particularly down by Lancaster.
And actually, a military official in Northern California admitted that the triangle is a government craft.
He called it a transport.
Also, according to Aviation Week in 1991, they said that the diamond-shaped and triangular configurations are the trend now.
Now, like I said, I'm no expert on this, but this would lead me to believe that there is a technology that we don't know about that includes this very slow-mo-moving, huge craft, and that it's not alien.
What flew over me, no, it didn't fly over me, Jim.
It floated over me.
What came over me was defying gravity, doing about 30 miles an hour, 150 feet from one point of the triangle to the other, very low, about 150 feet above me, you know, classic stuff.
Close encounters of the third time.
Stars blank out, moon blanks out.
This thing passes directly over our head.
And so that's technology that I don't know that we have right now.
Well, you know, these guys, the men in black, just as they're described today, have manifested since my earliest cases, I think, go back to the 1500s.
And back in those days, they were always referred to as agents of the devil and were usually seen in the context of witchcraft rituals and satanic Sabbats and that sort of thing.
As we went forward and as we went into the irreligious 20th century, people started interpreting these guys differently.
And they were more often seen with UFOs and shutting up witnesses of UFOs.
And when people were hassled by the men in black, they didn't immediately think, here's an envoy of Satan.
Take a moment out and read you a letter that I've got from a listener, if you wouldn't mind, and see if this fits anywhere into your men in black, right?
Art, I want to tell you a true story of the men in black.
My father had fought cancer for several years.
In the fight, he had lost his nose to surgery and had to wear a fake one made for him.
He lost all of his teeth and half his jawbone.
He suffered through radiation to be told that it was all gone, and 30 days later, there was nothing more that radiation could do to save him.
Then he went through chemotherapy, sickness only to reach the point that the doctors were continuing to keep him believing it was working.
Next, my mother died of a heart attack two months after my father was expected to be dead.
But he wasn't.
But now he was feeling the loss of my mother, and after he had made plans to see that she was taken care of after he was gone, I can tell you all of this because you have got to know what happened next.
The only thing keeping him alive was his insistence that he would see the grave marker installed that he picked out for my mother and himself.
As you know, partners frequently go together.
I added that.
I took him to the grave site in a wheelchair less than a week before he died.
One evening I was sitting at home with my wife and small children when my sister called from my father's house saying she was frightened, wanted me to come right over.
When I got there, Dad was insisting that my sister and his caregiver take him home.
Of course, he was already home.
When I asked where home was, he gave me the address of where he grew up, insisted I take him there.
I really couldn't do that since the house had been sold after the death of his mother.
The night later, and we decided that he would be more comfortable at the hospital than at home, The next day I went to see him.
He was still wanting to go home.
The next evening, my sister and I were with him.
He began to talk to us and tell us he was sorry that he had been so much trouble.
And he realized how out of it he had been recently.
I told him that it was all right.
He told me he was glad that they had come to visit him and set him straight.
Yeah, there we're talking really an event that is more usually framed in olden days with the witchcraft connection or these guys are often seen in, for instance, a religious area like Ireland where they're observed at gravesite and so forth.
And that was really the way it took place, was I started out initially extremely skeptical about this whole subject, but after reviewing dozens or perhaps at least 100 cases on the men in black, I found that I could explain a great deal of it.
I could explain a lot of it as government.
I could explain a good deal of it as hoaxers.
I could say, the detail on this sounds like this UFO buff was imagining all this.
But still, there was this residue of paranormality.
And frankly, I'm not really known as a researcher into the paranormal.
I mean, my book, like Black Helicopters Over America, is extremely down-to-earth and deals with government conspiracy.
But with the men in black, they kind of maybe sit up and take notice about this paranormal aspect.
I would say a lot of them have paranormal trappings, but the ones that I find unexplainable really probably don't amount to more than 5%.
The greatest source I think really would be delusion.
People see somebody dressed all in black, which is rather common, and then they're feeling rather spooked anyway that day, and they interpret it as a man in black.
After that, I would say the government has an involvement, and although it sounds a little bit crazy, reading case after case like this, you finally draw the conclusion that, yeah, the government, in order to more thoroughly shut up witnesses, is counterfeiting this men in black thing.
But as far as things that really look paranormal and things that really can't be explained, they are the exception.
You know, it's quite possible, and there are other ways that we could look at this as well.
To me, one thing that I've looked at is that reality is maybe a little bit more edgy and malleable than we normally give it credit for.
And I'm thinking that the men in black and perhaps a lot of other paranormal circumstances manifest as a reaction to trauma.
And my guess is that probably the days of the plague in the Middle Ages were pretty traumatic.
But in a way, I think that we may externalize and really shape the horror of a UFO encounter or of a plague encounter or of a death encounter into a true and a real exterior event that takes place.
Now, I'm not saying it's not real, and I'm not saying that this is an hallucination, but I think that exterior reality reflects far more our interior reality and particularly our reality of trauma than we imagine.
Off the top of my head, I only recollect one case, and that was during the Mothman encounters back in 66 and 67, which is a wild set of events that I'd love to go into.
Mothman was this huge, weird-looking humanoid with big wings that there were probably at least 100 sightings of this guy in West Virginia.
In fact, there were a few varieties of Mothman and giant birds.
It's an extraordinary UFO flap, as it were.
Another guy that investigated the Mothman was Grey Barker.
He was a famous UFO writer back in the 50s.
He also happened to be a prolific hoaxer.
But while I think that it might have started out with a paranormal element, I think it may have been that the government tweaked this and they used it as a psychological operation or a test tube to try out various forms of psychological control.
And it may have been that there was advanced testing going on nearby.
But it seems to have been a conglomerate of real paranormality and plus a heavy government involvement as well as folksing.
Anybody who is interested in the paranormal has to read The Mothman Prophecies by John Keel.
Well, you know, as in the facts that was sent to me a little while ago, if I were doing this sort of work, which I do now that I think about it, and I were to look out my window and there were to appear two men in black just standing there, just staring, whose faces I could not make out, and I stared back and then finally one of them raised their hands to indicate they meant me, I would take that as a very dire, very dire message indeed.
And now that I've said it, I'll probably have exactly that happen.
Well, there are many, many interesting encounters.
One that I find quite fascinating is that apparently Adolf Hitler encountered a man in black.
Oh?
According to a Governor Rochning of Danzig, Germany, who knew Hitler early in his career, Hitler would wake up the night screaming that he had seen these people dressed in black and that they were the new men and that they were intrepid and cruel and that they horrified him, but that this was the future.
And as to whether that's a real man-in-black story, whether it was a real paranormal encounter or just a case of Hitler having the DTs, I really don't know, but I found it interesting.
Well, you know, there are a lot of men-in-black occurrences that are centered around the Kennedy assassination.
Apparently, on one of the films taken of the motorcade, there is a man-in-black with a black cape and some old-fashioned hat standing right there at the motorcade.
I mean, perhaps it's just a coincidence.
There's another case that is perhaps even more interesting, and that is of a fellow named Castillo who was apprehended in the late 1960s in the Philippines, apparently involved in an assassination attempt on Marcos.
Now, when he was apprehended, the Philippine police or Secret Service or whatever they were used a truth drug on him, at which time Castillo came out with this story that apparently he was a multiple personality disorder,
and he had like four or more discrete personalities, each with a name, each with an identity, and in fact I believe he was carrying a number of different ID cards as well.
It's a wild story in itself.
But the payoff on it was that he believed that he had been involved in an assassination attempt on the president in 1963 and that his controller had been a man in black who drove a black Cadillac who had pasty skin and so forth.
So that's probably the best thing I know in terms of the Kennedy assassination.
What do we know about what the men in black have actually done?
For example, are the vast majority of the cases simple intimidation, and it's really not simple if you're intimidated, or do we know instances where men in black, beyond the Dr. Hopkins story, have killed?
I don't know of any instances where a man in black killed anyone, but there are a lot of truly sinister stories from the old days that, like I said, involve these sort of witchcraft elements.
It seems that half of the people that were involved with men in black back in those days were involved in eating children and abducting people and in sacrifice and so forth.
Well, I am convinced, Jim, that children in their innocence, before they have been, in effect, mind-conditioned not to believe in the unbelievable, do it because it's real.
I mean, it really is there, so they see and hear and imagine things that later on they are trained not to believe in.
So they don't see them later or they're not aware of them, but the young, innocent, new mind sees things, the older, mature, brainwashed mind does not.
Right, and you know, that cuts back into my thesis about that we manifest our own reality in the sense that kids often have a number of imaginary playmates.
I mean, this is very, very common, and it may be that this isn't delusion, but as we grow older, as we solidify, we exclude these other beings, and it's simply us from then on out.
It may be that we are simply changing in terms of our approach and cutting out a lot of the messages and a lot of the beings that are truly around us.
I saw a show, it was like, I don't know, the something soap hour back in 1955 or something.
This was in very early days TV.
And it was about a man in white and a man in black who came to this small town and circulated amongst the people.
And the rumor mills got going and so forth.
And the man in black was characterized as being a devil or an evil man and so forth.
And they finally ended up running the man in black out of town, at which time the man in white made it clear what his purposes was or were, which was that he, in fact, was the evil controller and that a fashion statement doesn't necessarily always indicate a person's orientation.
In Las Vegas, there is John Lear, and the son of Bill Lear.
And he did, for years and years, research UFOs and said something to me once that has always bugged me and will until the day I die, and then possibly even beyond that.
He said, all right, you know, it's funny, Art.
Everybody tells you when you die, go to the light, go to the light, go to the light, the light tunnel, all the rest of it.
He said, I have been told by reliable sources, it's a trick.
You know, I'd heard the same thing from a fellow who wrote a book called War in Heaven, which was a pretty interesting book about the way that astral beings control the earth.
Well, you know, one thing I would like to say is that I think that when we start getting calls, you might be surprised at the frequency of Men in Black stories.
I know, the phones are ringing off the hook, but I still want to know, without the resource that I have to just say, I want to talk about the Men in Black, let me hear it, you know, how do you go about collecting stories for a book?
With the men in black, there were quite a few people who were reticent about it.
But there are other experts on the subject and I talked to experts and quite a few people who had had encounters.
But of course with any book, and I expect you probably felt this way about the quickening, is as soon as the book is done, then comes the avalanche of great stories.
What that was, is an early UFO buff who edited a magazine about UFOs and ran a UFO organization.
He claimed that he was contacted by three men in black who told him the ultimate secret about UFOs, what they were really about, and then took him, well, initially he said that they were government and they told him to shut up about it.
As time went on and as the dollar signs kind of arose in his back brain, the story got more convoluted and he went to the planet Kazakh where everybody was naked and it was quite a joyride he had in the UFO.
But originally it was just him being involved in UFOs and then three men in black contacting him.
And apparently this story had a good deal of currency among UFO buffs back then.
But, you know, the men in black were really quite apparent right at the beginning of UFO research, around 47 through the early 50s.
In fact, one of the earliest encounters that took place 13 days before the famous Kenneth Arnold encounter where he saw the UFOs over, I think it was Mount Rainier, was the Maury Island affair.
And that was the sighting of three donut-shaped UFOs that allegedly dropped metal and flag upon a boat near Tacoma.
And after this took place, a man in black the following day contacted the leading witness, a man named Harold Dahl, and told him to keep his mouth shut about it.
So it goes right back to the beginning of UFO research.
It's impossible to conduct a conversation with Tim in St. Louis?
Yes, Tim.
I have a couple things just to bring up.
One is that it seems to me that in just reading ghost stories, like all throughout my life, it seems like I've heard quite a few references actually to women in black.
And usually they're purported to be some sort of ghost of a woman who's been deceased or something like that.
But it does seem like women in black have appeared.
And something else, the second thing that I'd like to Maybe.
But another thing that I'd like to mention is the total preponderance throughout the British Isles of stories of black dogs.
And their behavior in animal fashion, of course, is almost identical to what I've heard of the behavior of the men in black.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Keith.
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Good evening.
Hi, Art.
This is Chuck from Presno.
Hi, Chuck.
When I was about seven or eight in 1970 or 71, I had no knowledge of men in black at that age, and I had a dream where two men in black came to my house, took me and my parents in a big black car, like a Lincoln Continental.
Really?
And they took us to a field that I had never been at at that time.
And yet later in my life, that was a place that I would go to.
A friend's house was near there.
And there there was a corrugated metal warehouse.
Yes.
Which in that area there actually was a, it was like a garage where this guy had all these old tubers.
Yeah, but I had a, when I was younger than that, I was supposed in 68, I had a sighting that I, you know, I can only say it was a dream, yet I think it was real.
And I, you know, I have to wonder if that's connected.
And then in about 88, I had a UFO sighting that I know was real because I had somebody see it.
But it was a light in the sky, so you can't see anything else.
All right, well, then let's translate this to a question for Jim that kind of goes down that alley.
Jim, are a lot of the men in black sightings, how many of them are ambiguous in the sense that the person, after it's over, is not quite sure whether it was a dream or really happened?
Most of the men in black sightings that I have run across tend to be the ones that people want to talk about or get into print or are very significant.
And usually the kind of waking dream or the ambiguous ones don't really get communicated that much.
So in fact, the number that have to do with dreaming in what I have dug up is minimal.
In fact, I don't have the specific call letters of the military operation that is alleged to be a source of men in black encounters, but it is listed in the book, and that is one source.
And then on the other hand, the paranormal, if you're looking for those guys' addresses, I think they cross dimensions, you know, and probably are human.
About 1987, something like that, on a 60-minute program, maybe even 20-20, they were conducting an interview with a man who the story was about him having cancer because he worked at a government plant or contracted plant somewhere in the mid-north, and I don't remember where.
And he was complaining that he had not been told that anything he was working with could create a safety hazard.
And he mentioned something along the lines of EMI or energy transmission device, something like that.
While he's talking, there's a picture in a picture, top left-hand corner.
It's on for one or two seconds.
It's a photograph taken from a telephoto lens showing the boomerang shape.
It is not as wide as a boomerang, okay, but it's a boomerang shape, little narrower.
And it's luminescent.
There's two helicopters carrying it.
It's one on each side of it.
And I don't know how wide a helicopter span is or anything.
There's two helicopters carrying it, and it's a still photo.
It was up there for two seconds.
Everybody is paying attention to what the man's saying, and I'm looking at the television screen going, what is that?
We don't have any of those.
I wonder if this is not part of some of these aircraft that are being seen.
Perhaps not the whole craft, but part of it.
Because it was literally luminescent.
It wasn't gleaming like chrome or anything like that.
Jim, could it be that the men in black don't show up when you get stories that sort of add to the lore and the whoever it is that's controlling all this, you know, doesn't mind.
They virtually want it out.
But when somebody really gets close to something that's real, then the men in black show up.
And the most, along with this, the most horrific thing that I know about the mutilation came from workers at Dugway.
And that is that they stated that cattle have been used in the testing of a specifically anti-ethnic warfare agent due to a similarity in the membrane of the cow's eye.
You know, it's interesting you should say that because I've got a fax here that says, Art, you may have covered this already, but I've read that most men in black are of Asian origin.
Well, I suppose that anything that would describe a being or a person with slitted or slanted eyes might be described by most people in a generalized way as Oriental.
Anyway, I was starting my own group, and I was living with my ex-husband in some small cottages in our Midtown area.
And one very early morning, just after my husband left for work, I was in that kind of state of twilight consciousness.
Sure.
And a very sudden paralysis came over me.
I fought it with everything I could.
And before my eyes could finally get open, I just, out of the corner of my eyes, saw a very tall, whitish-gray man with these bright red, looked like painted lips.
And the suit was jet black, and there was a very tall, black hop hat.
It reminded me of a very tall cowboy hat.
I don't recall any eyes, but sitting in my rocking chair is where he decided to seat himself, and with a sinister grin, his arms stretched out and pulled out like this strange clown face and said, this is who I am.
And I said, whoa, to myself, I'm going, wait a minute, get out of this bad dream you're in.
And I just had to composure myself and I said, get out of my room.
Get out of my room.
You don't belong here and I don't want you ever coming back.
And before I knew it, the arm stretched back and snapped into its normal shape and the face was gone.
And the man just looked at me again in this strange face and said, you'll never know and you'll never tell.
And I said, again, get out of my room, get out of my room.
And it stood up before me.
It went in a counterclockwise spin into my hardwood floor until it was gone.
But, you know, as an example of that, this is really an archetype that goes a ways back.
In the Macumba religion, which is closely related to voodoo, the men in black are very, very close to a couple of presiding spirits, or they call them saints.
And one is known as Omilu, or old black.
And he dresses in black, and he sides with evil in this battle for the earth.
And he prefers to hang out in cemeteries.
The other spirit in this ancient African religion is called Eksu, and he also is associated with black magic and wears a black suit and a top hat.
And he likes to hang out at crossroads, which in terms of ancient mythology and in terms of occultism, crossroads are well known as being very sites that are very pregnant in terms of paranormal manifestation.
Yeah, and you know, I'm thinking that just, you know, this had never occurred to me, but I'm thinking that the UFO-connected men in black are probably more frequently the government contact, whereas simple manifestations of these strange darklings who just scare the wits out of you may be more closely linked to the paranormal.
I thought I had coined the phrase, the men in black.
been saying this is 1970 I had worked in an electronics a growing electronics plan out in Boston and the engineer that I was working with was given this device brought in from Sure.
This is from SciTech's Ed Dames, a well-known remote viewer.
With regard to the Dugway Proving Ground incident, he says, for individuals with certain classes of security clearances, anesthesia may not be administered except under strictly controlled controlled conditions if an uncleared doctor operates on such an individual.
The doctor is subject to being debriefed by representatives, spooks, and debriefed by agencies who need not brief themselves.
Other of these, who need not E's and C's, badges, other of these, who need not E's and C's.
They have to sign an official inadvertent disclosure statement.
In other words, you will never repeat them.
In other words, imprisonment.
No kidding.
If the patient happened to disclose classified information when under an aside men in black kind of deal, huh?
Perhaps they're a cleanup crew from the present in the sense that time may be an illusion.
And like I was saying, perhaps when people react to the trauma of a UFO encounter or some kind of a traumatic event, that is externalized to clean up their neurological situation, to reject that horror out into the environment.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Jim Keith.
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Hi.
Hello.
All I want to say is that I'm in California.
About two years ago, I suffered an episode of Missing Time.
I was out after I got off work late at night, and I was stopped at a red light, and then the next thing I knew, I was 20 miles away, and an hour had passed.
And at the time, I didn't know anything about missing time or anything like that.
So I just kind of let it go.
About a week later, I was out, and I had stopped at a gas station and was getting gas.
Again, it was at night.
And I just remember this man being very tall and in a nice black suit walked up to me and told me that I was going to give him a ride.
And I said, no, I don't want to give you a ride.
Why don't you ask another man for a ride?
And he kept saying, no, you're going to give me a ride.
So I quickly put my gas cap back on, went around and got in the driver's side of the car.
And I thought the passenger side was locked.
But when I got in the car, he was already in the car.
And he pulled me in, and I started to scream, and he told me if I kept screaming, that he would kill me.
That he just wanted me to drive him around.
So I proceeded to drive, and he kept telling me, nothing has happened to you.
You won't remember anything.
And I ran a stop sign, and he looked over at me and said, I know what you're trying to do, and if the police pull us over, I will immediately kill you.
And he just kept repeating, nothing happened to you.
Nothing happened.
You'll never tell anybody.
Nothing happened.
Then we got out in the middle of nowhere.
I'm still shook up about this.
I'm afraid as I talk about it.
He got out of the car and he looked at me and I'll never forget.
It's like his eyes weren't there.
And he said, leave now because I don't want to hurt you.
I drove away.
I started to cry after I got away from him.
And I got back into town and I drove around town until I found a police officer.
When the police officer got to me, I was broke up and told him.
And the police were already looking for me because the clerk at the liquor store had seen the man get in my car and heard him scream.
They were looking for me and my car and a man in a black suit that had gotten in my car.
But I've had instances, I won't even drive at night anymore where a black automobile has come up behind me and been flashing its lights, wanting me to pull over, seems like, and I just get home as fast as I can.
I won't even drive anymore.
I've since, this has happened, been diagnosed with agoraphobia where I will not leave my house.
I will not leave my house long as someone's with me.
It can be an anomalous event, a kind of a paranormal, a twisting of time.
But at the same time, you know, there are such things as government mind control programs, and there are, I believe it's Halpadol, is the drug that specifically in overdose gives incidents of missing time.
So lacking any further data, it's really hard to say if we're looking at paranormality or just massive arrogance of an agent.
But y'all were talking about you had never seen their eyes.
Well, me and a couple of my friends did see their eyes.
And what's so funny about it is, or we're weird, is before we saw these guys, men in black, or as y'all call them, we all saw something that was really strange.
We were going out and we were going down this road and heard by us and we thought we saw a police helicopter flashing its light on the ground, looking for maybe someone who broke into a house or a drug deal or something other than that.
Well, we were stopped at a stoplight and there was a bunch of us that they weren't getting automobiles.
But we all, the light was real long, so we were all going, look, they're going, you know, Top got someone, you know, because the light had stopped at some point.
And we kept watching this going through all these lights because it was way down the road from us.
And, you know, we were going, oh, crud, they're going to stop us or keep us from going to where we were trying to get to.
Anyway, the light stopped and it was pointing down at the ground.
Well, we all said, well, they got him, you know.
And then the light turned off.
And the next thing we know, we're at another stoplight watching the LEASE helicopter, which we thought it was.
And most of us still sort of think it might have been, but it couldn't have been because when it decided to leave, it just, I mean, oof, it was gone.
Well, we got to the place where we were going, and there was a club we were going to, and we were all inside, and we hadn't been there maybe 20 minutes when a friend of mine tapped me on the shoulder going, look, you know, because we were all standing there watching if anybody came in or a friend, there came in four guys dressed in black suits.
And this doesn't make any sense because this is here in Texas at a, it was at a bar, and there were four guys in black suits.
And we hadn't been drinking at all of us yet.
But it was so weird because they came in, they were dressed in black suits, and they had sunglasses on.
Well, you don't walk into a club with sunglasses on at night.
They don't want you to hurt, fall over or something or whatever.
Well, the founder told them to take their sunglasses off.
Well, these guys did.
And when we finally noticed that they were sort of dogged in us, anytime we walked around the bar, they were maybe 10 feet away or 5 feet away every time we went and moved around the bar.
These guys are really charming, you have to admit, Hart.
But yeah, you know, the details on the men in black vary, and they vary in very strange ways.
Sometimes the men in black almost switch into comedy.
Sometimes it's horror.
But again, you get these consistent details, and the weird eyes is one of those details.
Oftentimes we have oriental eyes.
I know of cases or a case where the person described talking to this man with kind of bug eyes and as he talked, his eyes seemed to extend two inches out of the socket.
Yeah, there are, yeah, the weird eyes is a continuing detail.
Why do you think, Jim, that a subject that you have written seriously about and that I am now amazed with, you know, I said people who have actually seen a Man in Black call and were flooded with calls, serious calls, people who are not laughing, and they have produced a motion picture now that is a comedy called Men in Black.
Why do you think they would choose this time, that subject, to do a comedy?
You know, I don't really want to slip over into paranoia and say it's a big cover-up.
And so my tendency is to say that, well, it was taken from a comic book.
In fact, this Men in Black movie started out as a comic book, and I think they were just playing quite loose with the idea of Men in Black and perhaps really didn't know anything about the Men in Black.
Now, if they had made, let's say, a case for government mind control operations or a case for a government cover-up, perhaps it would have been a little bit harder to obtain the financing.
But as to whether anything sinister shaped the film to begin with, probably not.
Why don't you go ahead and tell the story because I was prepared to read it on the air, but I'd rather hear it from you.
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Okay, let me tell you, too, that my heart's beating fast whenever I repeat this story.
I've told very few people in my lifetime because I know what the reaction would be.
And then when I did, I'm 41 now, and when I told someone who I thought was an intellectual about this a couple years ago, they tried to justify it as being an act of child molestation that I didn't want to remember, so I was creating the men in black.
But what it is, is this.
I was about six.
My sister was almost nine years old, and we were playing in the backyard.
We lived in this big Dutch colonial house, two-story in San Francisco.
And my mother was from England.
She had an English accent.
My sister and I were in the backyard playing, and I had a favorite tree that I would climb.
It had a smooth spot for me sitting in it so much.
And I would climb up there and just with my thoughts, and sometimes just talk out loud to the tree.
I even named the tree.
So I was up there, and my sister was picking flowers.
She was more of a lady.
I was more of a tomboy.
And then I sort of lost track of what she was doing because I was swinging on the tree.
It was pretty high.
Well, for a kid.
And then I could barely hear my mom's voice coming from the patio outside of the backyard.
This is a huge house we're talking about.
And I heard my mom saying, you know, calling out, Roxanne, Denise, dinner time.
And so I sort of started running for the back door and I said, I'll get Denise.
And I ran back to tell Denise that it was dinner time and she wasn't in the backyard anymore.
And so I thought, well, maybe she wants to do something naughty.
We're not supposed to go over that fence because there's an empty lot behind it and it was kitty corner.
I guess that's what you would call it because the house next door was really over our backyard fence.
So the next house over was an empty lot.
I mean the next space over was an empty lot full of grass.
Sorry.
When I jumped up on the fence, I was standing on a 2x4 and stretching with all my might to see over it to see if she'd gone over there.
The man had a syringe and he held it to my sister's arm and I was literally shocked into silence at first because I could not believe what I was seeing because of the way they were dressed.
They were dressed in black pants.
These men weren't wearing black jackets.
They were wearing black tapes, which I've also changed in my story and I say jackets.
They were tapes.
They had Zorro-type hats, which I later learned because when I got older, I saw Zorro.
Now, when he was about to give my sister the injection, I screamed her name as loud as I could.
And then I thought I should go get my mother, because they wouldn't leave her alone, and I was screaming.
I'm going, leave my sister alone.
And then I started crying.
And then I slipped off the fence and I got the million slivers in my palm, which I didn't even feel at the time, and started running for my mother.
But I fell down in the flower bed, a brick flower bed that we had.
And then my instincts told me to save my sister, because my instincts told me I didn't have time to get my mother.
So I jumped up on that fence, and I'd never been able to get that high before.
And the men were gone.
My sister was waking up.
And I asked her, Denise, what were they doing to you and why?
And who were they?
And I'm freaking out.
And I'm, you know, just a six-year-old kid.
And she said, what are you talking about?
And she said, what's the matter with you?
You look scared to death.
You're all white.
And I told her what had happened to her.
And she said, oh, brother.
And she said, I climbed over the fence.
And she started coming with me.
And she was groggy, very tired, as if she had just woken up.
And then I went in the house.
I didn't tell my mother because she would have been scared to death.
But I did tell my father.
My father believed me.
My father always believes all of us.
There were seven kids in my family.
And I want to know something.
You know, I know damn well this was not something I created in my head as a cover-up for seeing my sister molested because I know what molestation is.
It says, I'll tell you what, hold that quote after the top of the hour.
We can obviously keep on trucking here.
Boy, I never had any idea we'd get so many stories like this.
Holy mackerel.
Somebody to me we should write another book.
Hang tight, Jim.
We'll be back.
We will be back.
This is CDC.
You've got to see it.
You wouldn't want to meet it, but you've got to see it.
It's on my website now.
It looks like a creature of some kind.
My website is www.artbell.com.
Take a look.
Let me know.
Ark, what if the men in black are the time travelers we never hear about?
They would certainly have the technology to perform these feats that they're credited with, as well as what better way to know what events would have the greatest impact and would require some sort of intervention.
Just think about it.
The earliest reports are from the 1500s, and there is a consistency in their reported behavior.
Now, the man who wrote the book on the men in black, the real book, the serious book, is Jim Keith, and he's my guest.
You know, it relates to some things I've heard, which, or speculated.
I don't know if I heard them exactly.
But one speculation is that the men in black do have connections to a cultic or secret society or to see a benevolent brotherhood.
But there are connections to that.
For instance, it's been suggested that at least some of the men in black are agents of the Vatican and that they are trying to stop speculation and talk and so forth about supernatural occurrences that aren't of a Catholic sort.
You know, there is a secret society, a secret Catholic society called the Knights of the Apocalypse that was founded in the late 1600s, and its whole purpose is to combat the Antichrist.
Now, they may see UFOs as being agents of the Antichrist.
So, indeed, this is another thread, this kind of secret society thread.
In my last interview with Father Martin, he's very well connected in the Vatican as advised to popes.
And there is a seven-mile labyrinth of secret material below the Vatican.
Father Martin tells me that if I wish to contact him, because I'm going to Rome in October, and I've been sitting here contemplating ever since whether I really want to enter such a secret area beneath the Vatican.
And one of the things I received from an anonymous benefactor was a lot of history of this planet starting in the Middle Ages again and coming right up to the present, the Middle Ages again, a man who alleged himself to be to have had access to an archive.
And to substantiate that, he put the imprint of a brooch that listed him as a member of the Franciscan Order and it was a credential that he would use in the Vatican.
And so, you know, I'm always one willing to give an advertisement for one of my books, Art.
I was referred to by a person who thought that you could help me out.
I've been looking for a long time to find someone who could help me get to a UFO group talk thing, help them talk about what happened, or a hypnotist.
But I was told the hypnotist costs a lot of money, and I don't have a lot of money.
And I want to take, because I remember a lot of stuff consciously, but there's also a lot of stuff I know happened that I don't remember anything about it.
Well, there was in the Tiger Woods on the rail tracks.
Me and about three or four other people were living on the streets four summers ago, and we had tents.
We had two tents, and we lived in the woods there.
And we had some weird events happen for the past two, three nights.
The first of all, it sounds a humongous red, last orange ball of light hit diagonally of light out once they hit the ground.
And I'm talking light out once they hit the ground, and everywhere, and it made no sound.
And then, about it, and then everybody decided to go back to sleep about it.
And then everybody decided to go back and weird, because I was seeing something that brightened up to go back and weird because it would kind of make us wake up.
Sure.
And kind of make us woke up because I heard some footsteps to make us leaves crunching and twigs snapping.
So I woke up Tom.
And he woke up.
And I said, did you hear that?
He said, no.
I said, what are you hearing?
He basically was awake, but he was asleep when he was talking to me.
I'm on my way home from work at 4 a.m. here in Oklahoma.
And I've been waiting for this Men in Black episode.
All right, well, here we are.
In 1984, I was, I guess in third grade, I was eight.
And I'm a young one, so we lived in White Sands, Miss Range, on the base.
My dad, my stepfather, was a photographer for the Army there, and my mom worked in some place through high security.
I really have no idea what she did in there.
And one day we were out cooking out in the backyard, and I had a tether ball standing out there, and I was beating the tether ball around, and my stepfather was cooking steaks.
And if you know anything about white sands, the houses are like right next to the mountain, in the mountain ranges, right there in the Rockies.
And it was about 5.30 at night, 6.30 at night, something like that.
It was right before dusk, and a couple hours before dusk, and during the summer.
And a white light started from the left side of the mountains and ran towards the right side.
I guess it went from south to north.
And then stopped and shot into the middle of the mountains on the Las Cruces side of the mountains.
Well, we, I mean, our neighbors had even seen it, because everybody was cooking out that day.
It was kind of one of those days.
And my mom ran in and called the military police.
And she came back saying that the person was kind of rude and really fast talking.
She said they'd been flooded with calls about this.
And that people, thousands of people from Las Cruces had even called in wondering about this, because there's always some kind of testing going on.
When something unusual happens, sighting something that might be related to military is clearly at White Sands, probably was related to some secret thing or another.
Yeah, I do believe that there is something of an ultraterrestrial nature in terms of flying saucers and in terms of aliens.
I don't think there's any proof that it's extraterrestrial, but I think there is a paranormal aspect, as I keep repeating, like the men in black.
But I also think the government has an interest in covering up the secret things that they're doing and covering up their advanced technology.
And part of that is by putting out information that suggests that all UFOs are extraterrestrials and having people think of these kind of exotic craft only in terms of bug-eyed aliens.
Well, again, if you wanted to silence somebody, you're not going to wear a loud sport coat and a striped tie and arrive in an orange car, dark, black, silence, scary.
I'm working on a book about mind control right now.
It's called Mind Control, World Control, and it deals specifically with long-term projects by the CIA such as MKUltra involved in manipulating people and so forth.
And really a history of mind control in this world, going back to early experiments around the turn of this century and up to the present and trying to delve into what is true and what is falsification and rumor.
You know, I'm very impressed by the quality of response in terms of people who have called in almost one for one.
They sound credible and spooky, and I'm very impressed as well.
I mean, I'm surprised and thinking about this, if a survey was done, there must be hundreds of thousands of stories about men in black around the world.
I mean, I personally had no idea that there were so many encounters.
And this event happened in early, the first week of June of 1975.
I was at my mother's house, and our first child was about five months old.
My dad and my brother and my husband were all watching something on TV, and it was getting towards her bedtime, and she was getting fussy, and I wanted to go.
So my future sister-in-law and I decided to walk out in the front yard with her for a while, try to keep her quiet, and, you know, stuff.
And as we were standing out in the front yard, my sister-in-law was the first one that noticed the light, and she said, look, now where this was is in North Omaha, and the way airplanes come into North Omaha, they come in from the north and around to what's called Effley Airfield.
And she says, look at that airplane, Linda.
She says, doesn't that have odd-colored landing lights?
And I looked at it, and it was an orange.
They weren't white.
They were orange.
And I said, well, I don't think planes have orange landing lights.
And it got over an area of a cemetery that was about a half a mile to a mile from my parents' house.
And we stood there, and it stopped dead.
It was round.
It was circular.
It stopped dead over the cemetery.
I mean, straight over the cemetery, where the cemetery was.
It turned several different colors.
It turned from the orange to the blue, green.
And then it turned an absolute blood red, and it looked like it settled into the cemetery.
Judy and I stood there and watched this, horrified, and we run back into the house and told everybody what we had seen.
And my dad said, well, he said, let's go up and drive along the back side of the cemetery.
The name of the street is State Street.
And he said, see if we can see anything up there.
We drove up there, drove up and down, couldn't see anything.
Went home.
The next morning was like a Saturday morning.
And my husband and I used to go over and have coffee and rolls with my parents on Saturday morning.
We were over there.
And my dad said, where does it look like thing came down now, did you say?
And I said, it looked like it was the highest point in the cemetery.
And he said, well, he said, why don't we just drive up there and look around?
So my mother, my dad, I, my 21-year-old brother, and my husband, and my baby, and I went up there.
And we got up to where we thought was the highest point in the cemetery, you know, what was the highest point in the cemetery, and from where we were up, the place we were, we could see a straight shot to my parents' house.
Okay, anyway, we all got out of my father's car, and we had been there for maybe 30 seconds looking around.
There was a fresh grave over to the side, and you know how they lay the flowers down on a grave where, okay, all these flowers were blown all over the place.
All of a sudden, from nowhere, we had no idea from where, appears this car.
And it's an old black car.
My dad's dead now, but he said it was like maybe an old Packard or something like that, or Dodge or something.
Yes.
But it looked like it was absolutely brand new.
This one guy, the guy that was the driver, just got out and stood by the car, and the other guy started coming around and came over and said, and I was trying, it seemed so surreal because I was trying to figure out where.
Well, you know, actually, among researchers these days, these guys don't really have to have gothic taste in clothing and to always wear black because oftentimes, you know, the details vary, but in all of the trappings, it sounds like a men in black story that they had on gray clothing.
And I'd like to ask him if there is any connection between the bridge that collapsed across the Ohio River at the time.
There's a lot of people that lived back there when I was there who think that it has something to do with the UFOs and the Mothman they were seeing at the time.
And also, I understand that there were some prophecies about that bridge collapsing.
Yeah, in fact, John Keel, the main researcher who worked on the Mothman case, was in touch with a channeled entity named Epaul who predicted that there was going to be a catastrophe in that area.
He said something about a water processing plant blowing up or something.
I don't remember the exact details.
It was going to take place on a certain date.
In fact, on that date, the Silver Bridge collapsed.
I believe 68 people were killed.
The interesting thing that I find about that, aside from this prescience, this knowing that it was going to happen, is that just before the Silver Bridge collapsed, men in black showed up in the town of Point Pleasant, a large number of them, and people were seen crawling around on the bridge in the days prior to the collapse.
I don't necessarily see that as a paranormal occurrence.
Back then I used to live in Pennsylvania, Latrobe, Pennsylvania.
And I went to a gathering.
Friends of mine had a little party, and we hit it up pretty good.
It came time to go to bed, and I went to bed about, I don't know, it was probably 8 o'clock at night.
And something woke me up out of my sleep around midnight, 1 o'clock in the morning.
And when I opened my eyes, there was, at the time, it was kind of scary, you know, because I was only 18 years old, but there was somebody standing over top of me what I thought was somebody.
And it was like a split-second thing.
He was there, and then he was gone.
And what I saw was, you know, he reached out to me, and when I realized what was going on, like a split-second, I realized what was going on, he was gone.
And the next morning, I explained to everybody what happened, and they all were like, yeah, yeah, whatever.
They didn't believe me.
But when I ended up going home to my parents' house, something, you know, I just, I was into weightlifting in Russinella.
And I weighed myself and I was 20 pounds less than what I was the night before.
And I'd explain this to doctors and I'd explained this to different people trying to explain how that happened and everybody, yeah, yeah, we don't believe you.
Before we let you get away, Jim, I have been instructed to ask you not to let you go without asking you about your work on something called Alternative 3, also known as Project Noah's Art.
Well, Jimmy Carter, what I referenced in my book, Facebook on Alternative 3, I like the word Casebook, apparently.
Carter saw a UFO.
And the way that tees in is that Alternative 3 was a hoax done on British TV in the mid-1970s.
It's widely believed to be true by UFO busts and so forth.
But there's about a secret program of the elite to escape a dying Earth.
And again, initially I thought this subject was just pure bunkum, but as I dug into this, I found that although there may not have been this specific Alternative 3 program, that every aspect of the program existed in one form or another.
And so my Alternative 3 book, in a way, is a kind of an index to conspiracy like secret space testing, government-built UFOs, mind control experiments, murdered scientists, that all happen to be put together in what was admittedly a hoax by the authors.
It doesn't have a darn thing to do with Men in Black, but there it is.
The one we've been talking about tonight is Case Book, you said you like that word, on the men in black.
And that just really involves gathering the stories together.
And your conclusion after doing that with this book was there really is, and obviously, listening on the phones for these hours, there is something to this whole men in black business.
Yeah, I think you're tracking with essentially the same experience I had.
When I first came into it, it seemed like the subject was almost laughable.
And I had really intended to do a debunking of the subject in the sense of saying, yeah, sure, the government does these men in black things, but the rest of this is hoax and delusion.
But after going through hundreds of these cases, I found that I was convinced.
There were so many credible cases that are impossible.
And I came to the conclusion that to grasp the truth about the men in black, you had to deal with the impossible.
So in other words, you went into it, even though you had a prejudice, you came out on the other end, concluding there really is something to all of this.
And in all the years I've been doing talk radio, you hear occasionally about the men in black.
Only occasionally.
But the minute You actually open the lines, it's like right now, they're just blazing away.
I mean, all these people have seen men in black.
It's incredible.
Why is there not other than the popular comedy movie right now and your book?
Why have we not heard more about it in popular literature?
Well, you know, maybe if gray aliens wore top hats, we'd hear less about them.
It would render it more incredible, and these stories are incredible, and you really don't expect to see a guy in a black cape in your yard these days, much less to have him disappear.
you you The British scientists who cloned Dolly the sheep said on Thursday they've made another what they call major advance by cloning Polly the Lamb who carries human genes.
They showed a picture of Polly the lamb with the human genes on CNN.
Polly and four nearly identical sisters are transgenic.
Transgenic.
They are sheep carrying a human gene.
Claimed the scientist managing director of Therapeutics, the company that did this, quote, it was what we told everybody we were going to do, but it's nice to be able to say that we've done it, end quote.
Well, I don't know whether it's nice or not.
I'm beginning to get a little concerned that all of this genetic research is going to reach a mass critical point.
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I mean, this is the stuff they're doing in public.
What the hell do you think they're doing in private?
Well, that leads me to story number two.
The following I have not conducted.
It is from Reuters in London.
Gene therapy could be twisted into terrifying genetic weapons that target and destroy ethnic groups.
British doctors warned on Tuesday, the British medical association, remember this is Reuters.
The British Medical Association is so worried by the possibility that it has commissioned a team of geneticists, biologists, lawyers, and warfare experts to see if the technology is possible and if so, to ban it now.
It is, said Dr. Deveni, I believe it is, a particularly horrifying thought.
If you were a dictator somewhere in the world and you wanted to get rid of a group of people in your population who opposed you, whether you're talking about the Hutus, the Tutsis in Rwanda, Bosnian Serbs, or 1930s Germany, you could use this.
So in other words, they simply let something loose that goes tearing through a particular ethnic group, kick them cleanly and quickly.
Anybody out there really want to try and argue with my concept of the cricketing book?
Raise your hands, please.
Anybody want to argue with that?
I have documented in my book exactly what I just talked about.
This really is a book that you should have, so I will use this as an opportunity to plug my book.
It's in bookstores now, nationally.
So you don't have to call a number.
You can still do that, by the way, but really the easier way to do it now is simply to go into a bookstore and ask for a quickening.
And that's what I suggest you do.
God, we're getting in frightening times, aren't we?
On the lighter side, as I tried to say earlier, and I didn't say it right, to quote some email I got, engineers from NASA have finally determined, don't forget Richard Hogan speaking at NASA tomorrow night, engineers at NASA have finally determined the cause for the accident which placed the Russian space station and its resident personnel in jeopardy.
In a statement released Thursday, a spokesperson for the agency said, Our investigation has revealed that the collision between the Russian space station and the resupply rocket was caused by one thing and one thing only.
Objects in mirror are closer than they appear.
And then there is this.
Two more weirdo items.
This guy wakes up one morning to find a gorilla in his backyard tree.
Imagine that finding a gorilla in your backyard tree?
Anyway, he gets his phone book and looks up the gorilla removal service in the yellow pages.
The gorilla service guy says he can help him out, but he needs to know if it's a male or female gorilla.
So the man runs outside, leaving the phone off the hook, checks it out, and tells the guerrilla service guy it's a male gorilla.
A short time later, the service guy shows up with a stick, a chihuahua, a shotgun, and a pair of handcuffs.
He gives the man some instructions.
Now he tells the man, I'm going to climb the tree and I'm going to poke this gorilla with a stick until he falls.
When he does, the trained chihuahua will attack the gorilla's genitals.
The gorilla will then reach for his genitals to protect himself naturally, and that's when you snap the handcuffs on him.
Man says, okay, well, what am I supposed to do with the shotgun?
Service guy replies, if I fall out of the tree before the gorilla, shoot the Chihuahua.
Saving these up.
And today's breaking news from the Associated Press, three Yemeni men claim ownership of Mars and have actually filed a lawsuit against NASA for landing on the red planet.
And I have their names here, and I wouldn't even begin to try to pronounce them.
These three men have filed documents in a Yemeni court that they say prove their claim that they own Mars.
They said, quote, we inherited the planet from our ancestors 3,000 years ago.
And they are very upset that NASA's Pathfinder spacecraft landed on Mars, their property, July 4th.
Now, while I've seen a lot of photographs of Mars, panoramic views, I've not yet seen anything resembling a Yemeni no-trespassing sign.
Nevertheless, are they upset that Zoderner and Pathfinder began exploring Mars without informing them or even seeking their approval?
I want to wonder if the plaintiff's case is granted, what NASA is going to be able to do to satisfy the verdict.
Asked for comment, Richard Cook, Pathfinder Mission Manager at NASA's Jet Bulster Map Dori, Pasadena, said, Mars is everybody's.
It's for the whole world to explore and understand.
Well, it made me wonder whether I want to take up this invitation to be able to stroll through the labrant seven miles under the Vatican in the dark catacombs of secrecy.
And I actually have an invitation to do that.
Would you do it?
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I think I would.
Like you say, you only live once.
I would do it.
And I know if Melachi Martin asked you if you wanted to do that, he would arrange it.
No, and no, but somehow, one can absolutely imagine that there is such a group.
I don't know if they call themselves the Knights of the Apocalypse.
It's certainly a pretty horrifying name.
But I mean, sure, the church absolutely believes the Antichrist is coming.
And I am sure that they have very special groups that are following leads, looking for exactly that occurrence.
Of course, I believe it, yes.
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And I have a feeling something's up too, whether it's the quickening or whatever, something's up with the whole alien phenomena that we are experiencing nowadays.
Well, even if you forget that, even if you forget the things that we can't quite explain, like men and black and all the rest of it, and look at what they're doing right now with genetics, it's beginning to scare the hell out of me.
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Really, that story about the sheep with the human gene is really scary.
Well, I will strangle him until he comes to the point.
Just as a favor for all of you, and my own sanity.
Richard knows this of himself.
So we've got an awful lot of material to cover tomorrow night, and I'm not going to allow Richard to drag each one out until the point where I'm ready to explode.
Now, I realize that you've got to lay groundwork a lot of what you say.
And he promised yesterday when I spoke with him that, in fact, because we have laid so much groundwork already, that we will be coming to the point very quickly with very many things.
And it's not just Richard tomorrow night, but he's bringing a lot of expert support for what he's got to say.
So we'll see.
We'll be going into, but not completing the 26th.
And you'll recall, Richard said that he expected something between the 20th and the 26th.
If you want to know what I think, I think we died.
If you recall, the Pathfinder and Sojourner were, they lost contact on, of all days, the 20th.
NASA lost contact with them.
There were several things that NASA did that are simply unbelievable.
It got a fax from somebody earlier today named Dean who writes the following question.
I cannot believe the police would block off an 18-block area just because one man, Kununen, shot himself.
Is this common practice?
Was more than one shot fired?
Was there a shootout between Kunanen and the police?
Did the police want him dead because he knew too much.
He was a member of a very big, high-society, gay group from Las Vegas to San Diego to Miami, Chicago, etc.
I've got to admit that the whole thing and the way it went down was pretty strange.
I have yet to understand why they initially reported they found no body in two searches and found a body on a bed in a third search.
I don't buy it.
Then later they corrected it and said, no, we found a body in the first search.
Now, in my mind, that's a little like first saying it was a flying saucer that crashed and then saying it was a weather balloon.
So there's a number of things about this whole business with Koonan that I don't understand.
Other than that, it seems to me it's pretty much case closed.
The gun that he is said to have killed himself with, you know, Eaton, was the gun used to kill the fashion designer.
Same gun.
So that would seem case closed.
But there's a lot of strange things going on with the way the police handled this.
And I'm not comfortable with it.
East of the Rockies or Army or High?
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Yeah, the amazing thing about that clearing in case of morning bar is the fact that 30 hours after he actually was found or whatever, they're still continuing to run a lead story and topic every hour.
But still, it came down very oddly, don't you think?
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Oh, incredibly, and it's told like you said a moment ago, it still hasn't been explained what happened in the first couple of hours after the standoff was in that 18 blocks.
I absolutely buy into what you just said and what I think.
It's a natural reaction for the police and the FBI who wanted to get their guy.
They didn't want their guy to get himself.
They wanted to get their guy.
And I will even extend it beyond that.
I'm disappointed in that.
The reason that I would like to know his motivation.
I mean, are we beginning to get more and more people, I refer to my quickening, thank you, and you'll find a chapter in the book on this, who just don't care about life.
But Kunanan seemed to be taunting the police, always a bad idea, into catching him, saying, leaving clues, getting close, catch me, come on, get me, get me, get me.
And there is a certain amount of ego involved in law enforcement, and they wanted to get his tail end.
And I think from society's point of view, we've got to begin to understand why you're getting these people who crave attention and murder to get it.
He literally turned from whatever he was into a serial killer for attention.
Took life without thinking about it.
To get attention.
We need to be able to understand something about these people.
So from that point of view, I think it was very disappointing that he was not taken alive.
And as for the police, it is, and I understand their disappointment at not getting him one way or the other.
It's a natural reaction.
It's not a big secret.
It was one of the biggest manhunts in all of history, and I'm sure they wanted to get their man.
Yes, I understand your reaction because by listening to a man who's 82 years old with his background unquestioned, we know his background is accurate, saying what he said, you're forced to either believe what he said is absolutely true, which is mind-boggling, or you're forced to believe he's a liar, which in his case is very difficult.
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I believe he's telling the truth.
Yeah, so do I. And then other things is, I already ordered that book, and I can order it in Vancouver from Banyan Books, but the quickening, I want so much to get.
And I tried all big books twice, and never heard of it, and it's not on the list.
But that one from colonel Philip Courseau they had on the list.