Colonel Philip Corso, a Korean War veteran and Eisenhower-era NSC aide, claims examining extraterrestrial bodies—hostile, radiation-resistant clones—from Roswell in July 1947, including one under five feet tall with slanted eyes and no digestive system. He alleges recovered tech, like atomic-aligned metals and fiber optics, was secretly distributed to labs (Livermore, MIT) and industries, sparking advancements from night vision to integrated circuits, though some projects were shelved due to perceived risks—like brain integration or time travel. Corso’s revelations, backed by military officers and senators like Thurmond and Glenn, suggest a decades-long cover-up, with the government prioritizing secrecy over public trust, rewriting history to avoid admitting technological limitations or potential threats. [Automatically generated summary]
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Top of the morning, I'm Mark Bell.
It should be a fascinating program.
This morning, shortly, Dr. John Alexander in Las Vegas and Colonel Philip J. Corso, also in Las Vegas.
And both of them, in their own right, are going to contribute much to your knowledge this morning.
If you think that you understand what occurred at Roswell, or as a result of what occurred at Roswell, or a crash or recovered materials in New Mexico, maybe I better put it that way, because there really have been, we believe, several crashes in New Mexico, two, possibly even three.
And Colonel Corso is a man who took ultimately technology gleaned from those crashes, or that crash, depending on what you believe, and infused it into American industry.
And we'll try and develop this story for you.
The Colonel is at a hotel where his telephone connection, unfortunately, is not very good.
We're working on that.
And so all of that coming up, hopefully, technical details on our side in a few moments.
I'd like to welcome WRFC AM Radio in Athens, Georgia to the network.
They're 960 on the dial in Athens, Georgia.
Top of the morning to you.
All right, first of all, Dr. John B. Alexander, a little bit of background on him educationally, the University of Nebraska at Omaha, BGS in Sociology 1971, Pepperdine University in 1975, an M.A. in education there.
Walden University, a Ph.D. in education in 1980.
University of California, Los Angeles School of Engineering and Applied Science Engineering Management Program in 1990.
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Sloan School of Management, Executive Program and Management of Complex Organizations in 1991.
And Harvard University, John F. Kennedy School of Government, Program for Senior Executives in National and International Security, 1993.
Dr. Alexander has been an investigator of, a developer of, non-lethal warfare systems.
He is an absolutely fascinating person, and I trust that we have him on the line.
Dr. Alexander?
Great.
Good.
We've got you.
You know what I think, Doctor?
I think I should allow you to introduce Colonel Corso, if you would, and tell this audience.
Now, we had the Colonel, of course, on Dreamland, but this audience is larger.
Many people will not know who Colonel Corso is.
They might know he's got a book called The Day After Roswell, and that might be about all they know.
What would you say of Colonel Corso beyond that?
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Well, I first met Colonel Corso about a year ago, and he came to us with a very unusual story, and that had to do, of course, with alien technology and the things that he has written about in his book.
One of the things that struck us, of course, was his credentials.
And, of course, sometimes people fake them.
So I spent a week in Washington checking out his background.
And I went to the Pentagon, the National Archives, the Army military history.
I also went to the Army War College because a key person in all the things that he talks about is a Lieutenant General Art Trudeau.
And Trudeau in the Army and military and all was a legend.
In fact, he was so well known that when the Army started doing their oral histories, he was one of the first eight people to be interviewed.
Now, where this gets important is that during this interview, Phil Corso sat in every session with the general.
So here it is, 20 years after they both retired, and they still remained very close friends.
And one of the stories is he actually got his boss fired at one time, which is not usually career-enhancing, but survived that and remained to be very close friends.
So what I can say is when Phil says he was in the National Security Council, he was in this foreign technology division in the Pentagon, this should not be confused with the thing at Wright-Patterson.
This was a small Army thing.
Basically, it was Phil and a position that he held until he retired looking at foreign materiel.
And of course, he claims that this, some of it at least, was from the crash saucer.
Uh-oh, I fear that we have lost the Colonel, and I suspect, Doctor, that what they're doing is changing his phone out as we requested they do, and it may be we're trying to get a better connection.
Anyway, I've got a little bit more on the Colonel, and I'd like to read it.
Former intelligence officer, yes, part of the Allied occupation forces in Rome from 1944 through 1947.
At the end of World War II, Operation Paperclip, which brought German rocket scientists to the United States.
During the Korean War, he served under General MacArthur, and from 1953 through 1957 as a member of the National Security Council under President Eisenhower.
All of this, by the way, once again, ladies and gentlemen, has been very, very carefully checked out.
It was in 1961 that Colonel Corso was appointed chief of the Army's Foreign Technology Division by Lieutenant General Arthur Trudeau.
You just heard about that.
There he worked in research and development, R ⁇ D, translating classified weapons design plans into defense contracts.
It was then, on a certain fateful day, as the Colonel tells it, that a file cabinet was wheeled into his office, the contents of which he was asked to examine by Trudeau.
Corso was advised the contents were not, quote, run-of-the-mill foreign stuff, unquote, and was suggestively told to research the Roswell file before writing up his summary.
Among the items in the cabinet, the colonel says he found a mysterious shoebox of tangled wires, a dull, grayish, silvery foil like a swatch of cloth that he was unable to fold, bend over, tear, or wad up, but that bounded right back into its original shape without any crease.
I wonder if any of you recall from the movie that exact description visually you saw that material in the movie Roswell.
And though it was a dramatic reenactment, that was obviously very much like we have described here.
And that is just the beginning.
So there are many, many questions.
We're going to take an additional break here because we're going to try to get the Colonel back on the line again and see if the hotel has his telephone situation worked out.
So we'll do that.
And with fingers crossed, Colonel Corso, when we return.
All right.
I think that we may have accomplished our goal.
I certainly hope so.
I believe now in Las Vegas, here is Colonel Corso.
Are you there, Colonel?
He says.
Now, we've lost him again.
I do not understand that.
All right, let's hold on.
Dr. Alexander, are you still there?
So we've lost Dr. Alexander as well.
Well, well, well.
I wonder what's going on here with our telephone system.
Doctor, are you there?
We may be having difficulties, folks, with our phone system.
going to uh...
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trial of this one more time and uh...
take one more break and try and get this done you Let's try this one more time.
My background, well, I came in the Army in 1940, when the war started, right after Pearl Harbor.
And I was drafted, and I went to officer school, and I came out as second lieutenant, and they put me in an artillery outfit.
Right after that, I got transferred to intelligence.
And I was sent to England, got promoted to first lieutenant, and I joined British MI-19, and they sent me to Cambridge for three weeks, and I learned intelligence under them.
And from there, I went to North Africa.
I became an interrogator of prisoners of war and worked with the British and with their commandos.
Then I went to North Africa.
And from North Africa, I participated in the landing at Salerno Harbor in Italy.
Then I came up through Italy all the way to Cassino.
And I was in the battles of Cassino.
And from there, I went, I landed on the beach at Angio, and then went into Rome.
And there they made me Assistant Chief of Staff G2 Intelligence and Intelligence Security Chief of Rome Area Command.
And I participated there in reestablishing law and order.
I destroyed the Gestapo and SS nets.
And from there, I came back to Fort Riley, Kansas.
We were fighting the war in North Africa, Sicily, and Italy.
And then I joined the general.
I went to Korea after that.
I participated in the Korean War, and I joined MacArthur's staff over there.
Then I came back, and when I came back to the States, I joined President Eisenhower as one of his military aides and National Security Council at the White House.
And there my career sort of changed.
I was in the White House for four years.
And from there, I took command of a missile battalion, the Army's missile firing range at White Sands.
Then I took a combat missile battalion, and I had atomic warheads even, to Germany.
And I became, I stayed in command 18 months, and then I became Inspector General of the 7th Army.
And from there, I came back to the United States, and General Trudeau had reorganized research and development of the Army.
And He sent for me, and I joined him as a special assistant and chief of the Foreign Technology Division.
The Operations Coordinating Board was the policy guidance system.
It investigated policy and made policy.
And we were known as checked up on policy.
And I actually chaired a lot of policy groups.
And President Eisenhower, he, for example, assigned me a case was called the Volunteer Freedom Corps.
Were we going to set up units in Germany Polish and Czech and Romanians flying a uniform with the uniform of their nation and we were going to harm them?
And he wanted to put this, and I worked on that and put in, we already put it in effect, and then he had his heart attack, and it went sort of downhill.
CIA opposed it, and the State Department opposed it.
And I found out later that they used deceptive methods to oppose it.
Dr. Alexander, you went to Washington and basically confirmed all of this background?
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Yes.
And probably a bit more.
As I said, this is high-level intrigue, but it turns out that it's really true.
And that is that General Trudeau, as the Chief of Staff Intelligence, Army Chief of Staff Intelligence, the highest intelligence guy in the Army, was fired.
There's high-level intrigue going on, and supposedly he had passed information to Adenauer, which the Dulles boys, who had CIA and state, were quite unhappy with.
Well, that was a bit of phone shuffling we went through.
The hotel where the colonel is sent a maintenance man up, and we finally, I think, have everything straightened away.
My guests are Dr. John Alexander and Colonel Philip J. Corso.
And the story that is about to unfold, if you listen carefully, will, for many of you, remove all doubt of what has happened with regard to our technology, whether we've been visited by alien life, all of that wrapped up into what you're about to hear.
Most of the estimates that I uncovered were vis-a-vis the Soviet Union and Communist bloc.
And I found out, since I could check intelligence from the military sources, I found out that they were not based on intelligence.
It was mostly ideology.
And just two years ago, CIA admitted this in newspaper articles.
For example, I went to the general one day on the loss of Formosa.
And I told him there was a national intelligence estimate on that.
It was not important.
So the general called CIA, called Alan Dallas, and he told him no such estimate existed.
And I pulled the copy of it out of my briefcase and handed it to him.
And I won't repeat what the general said.
You know, these estimates, I found out that they were not based on hard intelligence.
They were based on their thinking and ideology.
And this was dangerous because most of them were apologetic to the Soviet Union.
And we considered that a great danger.
So when I laid these out to the general, and by the way, in 1962, I testified for two days in front of a committee of Congress, a Senate and Judiciary Committee, and this testimony is still rated top secret.
It was on this subject.
And Trudeau refused to comment on these overnight like they wanted, because they didn't want anybody to check on them.
So they made up an excuse that he gave when Adenhauer called him in Washington, and he briefed Adenauer on these cards.
Well, I got in the act and I sent over to Germany, the CIC, the military, and I told them, get me information that Galen's outfit is penetrated.
And they did.
So Alan Dulles immediately took off for Turkey.
And I still remember that's where he went.
And two of my friends, former ambassador of Thailand, an ex-bishop, and ambassador to South America and Mexico, Robert Hill, came with me.
We went to see Senator Bridges, at the time, chairman of the Armed Services Committee.
And he was a tough old man.
And he promised us that there won't be another officer promoted in the Army until Tefito is brought back and promoted.
And he did.
He got promoted to Lieutenant General.
So this was the intrigue that went on.
And of course, this increased my animosity with CIA because they didn't like an intelligence officer uncovering this.
And remember, at the time, I was at the White House, which was considered above them.
So I could call a few names back when I wanted to.
And there was not much I could do about it.
But this was the intrigue where General Trudeau was relieved and then brought back bigger than ever.
In fact, he took command of a Corps, then came back and reorganized research and development, which was in logistics, a secondary mission.
So they wanted him then as chief of R ⁇ D. And I take it despite all the political intrigue earlier, they knew him to be a patriot, they knew him to be a good man, and they trusted him.
Well, what it was, I was appointed one night post-duty officer.
Actually, lately there have been some criticisms.
They said that the security was lax at Fort Riley if I did that.
But I was the security officer that night, or the post-duty officer.
And people who know the Army know that when you're appointed post-duty officer, you're responsible for all the guards and security all that night and the post.
And when I went down, one of my sergeants, Master Sergeant I knew well, was Sergeant the Guard in the, because we had horses in, in the area, the veterinarian area.
And these five, I think it was five of them, yes.
There was five boxes there that looked like caskets.
And I went out in the room, because I was a security officer, I had to go inspect it.
It's very, very important that we be very clear about what you saw there.
This is a very key point, I believe.
The Air Force, as you well know, had a news conference and said, well, they were dummies.
Now, is there any chance that what you saw, and in fact, as you know, the Air Force at their news conference showed these dummies that they dropped in later years, 1953, actually.
But even if they had dropped them in 1947, they might have.
Could you have been looking at a dummy, a non-being?
Dr. Alexander, does that make sense to you, or for that matter, Colonel, does it make sense to you?
Then, certainly, we had not made any statement saying UFOs are no threat to national security.
We're not interested.
It would seem to me anything flying at 3,000 or 4,000 miles an hour would have been of intense interest to the military then, or for that matter, now?
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Not necessarily.
And when you look at things like NORAD and places like that, if you don't believe that there is a threat that can go that fast, and you then say, and you're looking for threat or no threat, and if it doesn't exist, even if it goes that fast, it's not threatening you, it's no threat.
And we were looking for every reason to discard targets, not to try and include them.
Remember, computers were not like they are today.
I mean, you've got more power on your desktop today than NORAD had in those days.
My radars, even in Germany, I had two batteries always on the alert.
And we were tracking these things.
I had an acquisition radar, and then I had two target track radars.
There's a pencil beam, which would lock on the aircraft and lock on the missile.
One on the aircraft and one on the missile.
And the computer would bring them together.
Now, when you fire Nikes, the missiles we had, we lock on the target, and then the missile, when it's fired, goes straight up in the air and then dives on the target.
And it does not fire slant range.
This was the Nike system that we had, which was the best that we had at the time.
Dr. Alexander, as you went back to Washington again, you confirmed the criminal service in these areas as best you could.
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That is correct.
No, he absolutely was the places that he said he was and when he was there and did what he says he did.
By the way, Art, one other thing I think ought to be made that I think is important about Phil Corso is this is not the first time that he has come forward and told some pretty remarkable tales.
In fact, in 19, I believe it was 92 or 93, talked about a secret war that had been going on.
And this was done, reported in 2020, U.S. News and World Report, and to the U.S. Congress.
And it was a war that had been going on.
And Phil can tell you more about it because it's an important piece of why we responded the way we did.
And except for those who had some very special clearances, never knew that this was going on.
It was a cat-and-mouse game, and every once in a while the cat won.
And we were losing air crews, and we knew, and Phil can tell you a lot about this, we had people down on the ground, captured, alive, and we didn't even ask for them back.
My guests are Dr. John Alexander from Las Vegas, as well as Colonel Philip J. Corso, author of The Day After Roswell, which is a book shaking everybody up.
Now back to Dr. John Alexander and Colonel Philip Corso in Las Vegas.
We were talking about a secret war and one in which the United States was, I guess, flying airplanes, incursions into Soviet border areas to try to get them to turn on their radars and so forth so we could decide what they have and what they don't have.
Is that about correct?
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Well, we were trying to map out our paths in so if we did go to a full-up war, we would know where it would be safe to fire planes and where we could not.
Well, I think the answer to your question is that, particularly for the technical people, that after they fulfilled their usefulness, they were terminated.
Actually, when I described him in the book, that one of the reasons when we tried to make flying saucers and they all didn't work was the extraterrestrial himself, or it, whatever it was, they had no sex organs.
He was a clone and built specifically by some intelligence for space travel.
As I recall the last interview we had with you, when you were employed by General Trudeau, one day, or serving under him, I guess I ought to say, one day, the general brought to you a filing cabinet.
John, Dr. Alexander, John, have you looked into this aspect of the Colonel story that we had a whole plan to put a base on the moon?
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Oh, that absolutely exists.
He's given me a copy.
And one of the things that's not very well known is that you referred to the Germans before.
Remember, that was Operation Paperclip, where at the end of the war we had selected a number of scientists, Werner von Braun and Hoberst and others, and brought them in.
And they were working for the Army.
And so the Army had developed this plan.
And then when NASA was formed, the plans went over to NASA.
So basically the plans on, and they were very detailed on how to get from here To there, and not just travel, but actually to establish bases and fight in space, was being thought about in the 50s.
All right, let me read you this facts I've got, Colonel, and let me ask you about it.
We have yet to develop how you got to this technology, but here's somebody reading your book, Colonel, and he says, I'm only halfway through the Colonel's book, but I've reached a very disturbing chapter.
The Colonel says that the military has been fighting a war with the aliens since 1947 and considers the aliens to be enemies of the United States.
Would you please ask the Colonel if it's true and if indeed these aliens are our enemy?
Well, Von Braun even wrote of a missile that was thrown off track by them, by electromagnetism.
And we were at Ramstein Air Force Base.
They shot at them.
And that's in the book also.
And Maelstrom Air Force Base, they flew over that and they knocked out our guidance system on our Minuteman missiles.
The guidance system on every one was knocked out.
And then at Bokonor, the Cosmodrome in the Soviet Union, a UFO came over for 14 seconds, and all their steel towers fell apart.
All the wells and the rivers came apart.
The Cosmodrome was down for about three weeks.
And the UFO only was over 14 seconds.
And also, we had information that they followed all our Gemini and all the Russian Voskhod, I think, shot in the air.
So we had all that evidence.
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One thing I might add, and this is, I'll be the cautionary note here, is when Phil here talks about the military, and that's a pretty inclusive term, because I don't think that most, if you went to the military, that you would get consensus on this.
So this is clearly speaking for some people within the military as opposed to an institutional position.
As a matter of fact, there are some very interesting developments with regard to Mir and other space flights in which the crews have begun to get out of control.
And I think we are not hearing all about Mir right now.
This crew is not in control.
They've been basically told, stop what you're doing.
Just rest.
We're going to get you out of there and get a new crew up there.
So obviously, this crew is barely fit to be sitting where they're sitting inside Mir right now.
So what you're saying does make sense.
Alright, both of you, hold on.
We're at a breakpoint.
It's interesting to contemplate, isn't it?
That even we, When we finally achieve long spaceflight, may have to create the kind of creatures the colonel says, we dissected.
And they may be the ones who may have to uh fly in space.
Because over a long period of time, we can't.
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Dr. Alexander, now with two pieces of material from this file cabinet that ultimately, I guess, came from Roswell.
Atoms are aligned.
Can you explain that?
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Not very easily, actually.
As I understand what he's talking about is that instead of having a random selection of the atoms, that they were able to establish the polarity in such a way that the strength was greatly increased.
It was our little engine that we built at Fort Belvar.
And we could never harden that, so we couldn't put it in anything that man could travel in it because we couldn't harden it and keep the radiation out.
All right, but then all other, some other materials from that filing cabinet, for example this fiber that you're talking about, actually turned out to be what we now know as fiber optics, is that right?
Doctor, can you, in essence, back up any aspect of this regarding night vision?
In other words, can you see a linear development anywhere with regard to night vision, or was it a sudden jump that would tend to back up what Colonel Corso is suggesting?
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It's hard to say.
And I've got to say, when Phil and I first talked about this and how they went about it, he described a classic black program in which it falls back in on itself, is almost untraceable.
Because remember what he said, and this is in Phil's words, they found people who were already working the field so that it would not show up as here's something totally out of the blue.
So it could look as though it were some sort of natural progression.
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Right.
the problem with you know if phil is right it means that we have to rewrite science and if you're going to have a new Well, I'm talking about the history of science because it means that everything up to Nobel Prizes and people who have been awarded money and patents and all of that got some help.
At some point, you must have sat down with General Trudeau, and obviously after you realized what you had on your hands in this cabinet, all of this technology, and you must have had a serious conversation with the general about where it came from.
And Tesla, in one of his writings, he had that the body itself is an electrical entity, our bodies.
The cells are electrical.
And you can propagate our system by electromagnetism.
And Tesla actually said this.
And I told Jetto, maybe this is a key, gentle, that they propagate themselves by electromagnetism.
Because we knew that their guidance system was an electromagnetic because of the way it affected some of our missiles and other items.
So from those emissions, we started what we called irradiated foods.
What I told him is we flew down the quartermaster, or that was in Richmond, Virginia, and they fed us a steak that had been on the shelf for two years, no refrigeration.
And we made, now, irradiated food today, it kills salmonella and chicken, it kills terpena and pork.
Yet we won't put on the market because of dukegooders, and it's harmless.
And American science agents, New York, has stated that it's harmless, yet the duke glitters won't put it out because it says radiation.
Certainly, as my guests are Dr. John Alexander from Las Vegas, who is an expert in non-lethal weapons technology, has been working on that for years.
And Philip J. Corso, Colonel Philip J. Corso, retired, who has a story to tell you that, if you believe it, will change everything we know, everything we think, the history of our technical development and where we are today.
And we'll get back to that in a moment.
I know some of you from Los Angeles are just joining.
Good morning.
CNN is reporting that indeed Kunanan is dead, apparently having committed suicide in a houseboat after being discovered.
So it looks as though that story may be a wrap.
Kunanan repeating is dead, according to CNN.
Miami Beach police sources tell ZNN the body discovered in a houseboat is indeed that of spree killer Andrew Kunan, wanted for the murders of five men, including Italian fashion designer Gianni Brisace.
ZNN reports members of Kunanan's family are now en route to Miami Beach.
And I've got some more news that I'll sort of get to you as I can this evening.
We're in the middle of a very, very important interview, and we're about to get back to it.
you you All right, back now to my guests, both in Las Vegas, Dr. John Alexander and Colonel Philip J. Corso.
And I've got a fax here that says, hi, Art.
This is really not complicated.
Colonel Philip Corso is simply telling the truth.
The problem is there are going to be a lot of people that simply can't handle the truth, and they're going to be using a variety of psychological mechanisms, including suppression, denial, rationalization, to avoid dealing with this simple truth.
And the truth is that, Colonel, you had all of this material given to you by General Trudeau, which you then apparently funded.
In other words, you actually began to go to American industry and give them this material along with budgets to develop this technology.
And what you're telling us is that the technology we enjoy today, much of it, fiber optics, night vision goggles, and on and on and on, all came from an alien crash or alien crashes.
Well, Dr. Alexander, I can only imagine now with the book having been out for a while, with the claims the Colonel is making, after all, we're talking about some very serious technologies here, that there would be people coming forward and saying, this Colonel is out of his mind.
We developed so-and-so in our lab, and we didn't get any special materials in order to do that.
And I've heard none of that.
Have you, John?
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Oh, you hear some.
Certainly.
And you've got to remember, the way they did it, it makes it untraceable by design.
So, I mean, if you remember what Phil said was that they, if you believe the story, that they were handing it to people already working in the field, getting material that in some cases they thought was Soviet, but that the technology was beginning to move already.
Now that you have come forward, Colonel, with this incredible information, surely there are others, other than General Trudeau, who has now passed on, who could confirm what you're saying.
And I did get a letter from, and I don't think he's, if I tell his name, he's McDonald's son, a scientist.
And he confirmed to me in a letter he wrote to me before I left home where he sent me Radio's letter.
He talked to people, he was on the adjacent committee, and he said that Hughes, North American, and Wright Pat, people who are confirmed, that finally they said he filled in some of the holes that we wanted about all our lives.
Colonel, can you confirm that reverse engineering was going on at either Area 51 or Area S4, those areas out here in our Nevada desert that you are now very close to?
Well, from the information I had, yes, it was going on.
But I don't have the details and never bothered to try to get them because I figured that was a sister service, they're military.
In fact, General Trudeau went up in front of Congress, and he was testifying, and he recommended and stunned everybody that instead turned it over to NASA to turn everything in space over to the Air Force.
And people were stunned when he said that.
And he actually said this in front of a Senate committee.
We didn't bother with them.
They were doing their own work.
We trusted them, and we let them alone.
And we figured that it's best that we stay where we are to ourselves.
Because I've been attacked, minor attacks, nothing of any consequence.
And even Whitney Sabort, you know, the Manuro Communion, he told me, he said, Phil, he said some of the, Roswell, he said that, he said, Phil, some of the attacks are we treading on their territory.
yes and then what made you decide colonel to write this book i mean you want So I figured I'd better leave him a legacy and put on paper because really I never had any intention of writing a book, you know.
That wasn't my area at all.
And I started to write.
And I put it all down, including my Italian experiences and even other investigations that I did in the government.
I started to put those on paper.
I figured at least I'll leave them a legacy for the little boys.
And so Merit evolved into this book, which I never expected to see that.
Well, I think that most of them are gone, really, now.
Remember, most of the people that were working with me were my age.
They all had been honed in combat, and that's how we were able to keep a secret.
There was a certain affinity between us.
And I think that they're mostly all gone because a good percentage of them are older than I was.
In fact, in the testimony when I testified in front of Congress on missing prisons, well, I told the families we were sitting there.
I said that when I met the boys at Pamela and John coming across, they were younger than me, and I'm 82 and I'm still here, maybe some of them are still alive.
Of course, it was a long shot, but at least it was some hope for the families.
Dr. John Alexander and Colonel Philip J. Corso are my guests.
Sit back.
Listen.
You're hearing history.
I'm Art Bell from the High Desert.
This is CBC.
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Philip J. Corso, retired colonel, and Dr. John Alexander are my guests.
Listen closely.
What you're hearing, you may not have another opportunity to hear.
At any rate, back to our guests in a moment.
Back down to my guests.
Colonel Corso, what you have said, what you're saying in your book and here on the air, is so incredible, so fantastic, that you would have to imagine that there would be elements within the government and out of it that are aware of your information, and there must be some kind of battle going on between the people who know about whether it should become public or not.
I mean, this affects all of our recent history, Colonel.
It's about the size of a single blood cell, 20 times thinner than a human hair.
has six strings that can be plot but they are actually too small to be heard is this kind of Could this be technology derived from this same group of artifacts kernels?
When I decided to do it after the general died, and the children and my grandchildren asked me what I did during the war, I not only wrote this, but I wrote my experiences in Italy, like I said, and I wrote about other investigations that I worked on.
And I wrote all this as a legacy for the children, for my grandchildren.
And then this book here that's now, it started to develop from those writings.
I figured I might as well discuss this, too.
General Tudo's been involved.
So I started to put it on paper.
And when I got it all done, it was actually Simon Schuster already asked me if I'm interested in getting my notes that this book was taken from published.
Because the notes is a different type of people, you know, who will be looking at that and not people that want to hear the story.
If you had items from a crashed UFO in your office, did you at any time consider the possibility that there was potential danger, radiation, whatever else, on handling these materials?
Well, we considered that on the chip and the integrated circuit, like I told you, that we might be leasing something on the world which we didn't understand.
You see, Art, I'm not, I tell a lot of people, don't think that we were so intelligent that we knew what we were doing all the time.
We didn't know what these things would do and how they would end up.
Even fiber optics, we never knew how that would work.
If our military, since 1947, has had the only physical evidence, or at least some physical evidence, of the existence of alien ET spacecraft, which would be considered certainly a reasonable threat to national security, why has the military shown no interest in civilian UFO reports?
And if there are any critical questions that you would like to ask the Colonel, you should.
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Well, of course, I've had quite a bit of time to do that before we checked him out.
I guess a couple of things I would say.
One of the questions that comes up is, is this guy crazy?
And we, frankly, I don't know if he knows this, but had Somebody qualified to do that, interact with him, and came back and said, you know, we may not agree with him, but he's not crazy.
To your knowledge, since those early crashes and retrievals and the technology and the bodies and all the rest of it, in the years between then and now, do you have any knowledge of additional crashes?
Wilbur Smith, the great Canadian genius, confirmed it to me in person, right in the Pentagon.
He came to visit us.
I had a good session with him.
Then the general came back from his meeting, and he told Wilbert Smith, he said, you and the colonel have a lot to talk about.
I'm going to send him up to your laboratory.
I was supposed to go up to Mayborough, his laboratory in the Lake Ontario area.
Of course, I put it off, put it off.
Then when they did call to go up there, they told me Wilbert Smith in 1962, when I was going up, he had died of cancer.
So that was a great loss.
Then the general got a hold.
When I told the general that, he said, sit right down at the table and you write down everything that you discuss with Mr. Smith, because he's gone now.
Your information is so very serious that I would imagine a congressional committee or a Senate hearing would like to sit you down and make this public.
If you were summoned to Washington to tell this story, to get it out in a public forum, would you go?
Dr. Alexander, do you think there's any likelihood that in light of this information becoming so public, such a hearing might be held?
unidentified
I would not be terribly hopeful, frankly.
And I've been checking some sources.
I know a number of people on the Hill and staffers and people who work it.
Face it, the political downside for a politician to get actively involved is much higher than the benefits to be gained as long as the media reports these things the way they do.
Well, that might be true certainly of UFO reports or people asking questions about lights over Phoenix or all the rest of it.
But when you've got somebody the stature of Colonel Corso with what he has said and where we confirm he has been saying the things he's saying, it seems to me it demands an investigation and that any senator or congressman could not be too heavily criticized for wanting to hear from Colonel Corso.
My last testimony was in front of Congressman Dornan's committee on the missing prisoners of war.
They had a Czech general there.
And the Czech general had been, his life had been threatened three times because he said this experiment's come.
And so Dornan asked me if I would appear and run interference for the general, appear before him and sit alongside of him because I would add credibility to the general who they were trying to smear because he was Czechoslovakia.
And the man told a true story.
And I confirmed what he said.
It was true because I knew about those hospitals.
I knew about those experiments.
Now, it took a man like Dornan who had the nerve to get up there and hold a committee.
And the families were there that day, too.
They were waiting for me outside in the hallway when I came.
If what the Colonel says is true, then he's our best connection to what really has occurred.
And here's an interesting question for you, Colonel.
If all of the technology that was gleaned from Roswell and any other crashes that have occurred, alien technology, had not been interwoven with American industry, where would we be today?
Artificial intelligence is the wrong word I gave you.
Now, Von Neumann, I didn't start that project.
And a lot of people told me, well, it wasn't time because there were no supercomputers in.
Now they can work on that, and they're working on it, artificial intelligence, because the supercomputer is available now, which wasn't available back then.
So I think this is some of the developments that are coming up out of this, that new things can be taken, can be, new developments may be taken from Edcraft.
Maybe they can work in now what I said, that the being itself was part of the propulsion system, part of the UFO himself.
Well, that also is interesting because, Dr. Alexander, I'm sure you can confirm we are beginning to work very seriously now on integration of pilots with our aircraft.
They tell us, or I'm told, that there may come a time soon when a pilot will simply think commands for the aircraft.
Is that ongoing result?
unidentified
Well, Firefox is certainly ongoing.
I think, however, the next step is to take the pilot out of the aircraft and have it be completely robotic.
Correct.
Where they're calling unmanned aerial vehicles or unoccupied combat vehicles.
the disposition of the bodies was in your hands colonel well i could I could have followed it up and done something and made them study more with what they had before the things all deteriorated to the point where we couldn't work on them anymore or look at them.
The Air Force recently, of course, at the 50th anniversary of Roswell or just prior to it at a big news conference, and they disclaimed the whole thing once again.
And I'm going to leave it up to you, ladies and gentlemen, to digest what you have just heard.
Colonel Corso is an 82-year-old man.
We have confirmed, Dr. Alexander has confirmed, and believe me, he has the resources to do that, that the Colonel was exactly where he said he was in the position he said he was in.
And you've heard his story.
What do you think?
We're going to move into open lines now, and I think that after you've heard something like this, reaction is an obvious thing to seek, so we'll seek reaction from you, all of you.
We'll go to open lines.
CNN is confirming the Kunanan body.
Kunanan apparently is dead, having committed suicide on discovery at a houseboat, Miami.
So that story looks like it's just about a rap, and we're never going to hear, obviously, from him about why he did what he did.
I have a report of a 120-mile per hour microburst of wind just a few hours ago at Minot, North Dakota.
And I would like some confirmation of that.
So there's lots to talk about, and I've got lots more here, but I think at this point it's very hard to turn to anything that would seem more urgent, more important, of greater gravity than what you just heard.
And what you just heard, if you listened carefully, was an honorable, simple man who worked with, acquired and worked with alien artifacts, saw himself alien bodies, and is saying exactly, in my opinion, what he believes to be true and what he saw.
You heard a real witness.
Maybe one of the last available for that period of time.
What do you think?
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Good morning.
unidentified
Yeah, good morning, R. I always want to say, first off, I've been listening to you since before you were on KFYI in Phoenix, you're on another radio station, so that goes back towards 93 or 92 area.
I'm sure tomorrow's show will be incredible with the man in black situation, but this show definitely deserves a Saturday repeat, if not, you know, if he is to be heard.
Well, look, as I just said after the gentleman probably went and hit the pillow, when you heard all of this, how do you react?
unidentified
I mean, do you believe what you heard?
Oh, I definitely do.
I mean, after hearing the Dream Man show, I sent you an email telling you how I just feel emotional, and I don't know which emotions they are.
I don't know if I'm, you know, how do you react to something like this?
I don't know.
I know that's what you're asking me now, but my point is that's why I want to, you know, tomorrow's show is going to be incredible because I know they all are, but this deserves a Saturday repeat because everybody has to hear this again and again.
You know, maybe it's not fair that I ask you to react because I'm not sure how to react myself.
What we were just told is that a very great deal of what we utilize now, our current technology, computer technology, fiber optics, night vision, And certain fabrics, much of our current technology has been derived not through our own specific ingenuity, although I suppose you can give credit where credit is due.
They had to figure out what they had in their hands, but this technology came from elsewhere.
And you've got to kind of let that settle in on you a little bit before you can react.
But beyond that, we have a man who was in position to go to various industries with this technology, give it to them, and give them budgets at the same time to develop it.
I mean, you've either got to accept, I guess, what he said and sit back and imagine the implications of it all, or figure it's a lie.
And I don't think it's a lie.
unidentified
Well, I don't think it was either.
I mean, a man at 82 years old, a person wouldn't think that he would be motivated to lie.
A little town in West Texas, which is I think it's 100 miles from Roswell.
And during that period of time, when this took place, there was a number of reports after the Roswell incident where people were finding these balloons, these weather balloons, in their fields and seasons.
And everybody, you know, because of the report and the paper, assumed that these were experimental balloons that they had let go somewhere, you know, the government.
But in retrospect, I think what they had done is after they put up that story about it being a weather balloon, that they released a number of these things so that people would actually see them.
Because I saw one of them myself as a seven-year-old.
And, you know, it was just a big weather balloon that kind of deflated and came down into the field.
In other words, you're suggesting that after the initial incident, they began launching balloons on a regular basis as a cover.
That can be imagined.
But again, after listening to Colonel Corso, and by the way, I have a great deal of respect for Dr. Alexander, who has done a very careful investigation of the Colonel's background.
You've got to come to one of two conclusions.
Either you have just heard information that completely changes and rewrites history and what we know of ourselves and our technology and our advancements and our current state of advancement and perhaps what we're even doing now with regard to miniaturization,
nanotechnology, and all the rest of it, still being fed from elsewhere.
You either believe that and believe the Colonel and his story, or I suppose you could believe he is crazy.
Dr. Alexander suggests that has already been looked at and is certainly not the case, nor does he sound that way.
He sounds like a simple, honest, old soldier who's a patriot and who is telling us the truth.
And if he is, then everything we believe is all wrong.
You've got to believe one thing or the other, Fritz.
Either he's telling the truth and I believe him to be.
unidentified
And art, you're part of history, because this is going down, and someday people will look back and listen to the programs and say how hard we had to fight to get the information out.
By the way, I guess I ought to say, if you want a copy of this program, you can get it by calling 1-800-917-4278.
It would come out to be a three-hour program.
By the time they deleted some of the phone difficulties we had in the beginning, and oh, it was a close call, I'll tell you.
The Colonel was in a hotel room and had a phone that was not serviceable, airable.
And so we had the hotel staff racing up there at the very last moment to replace the phone, which they did.
And I want to thank them.
And I will let you know at some future point what hotel that was.
I don't want to give it away tonight because he's there.
But it was closed.
So when you delete the phone difficulties and the commercial content, it's going to come out to be a three-hour program that probably should be archived by everybody.
The number again, beginning now, I guess, is 1-800-917-4278.
Interesting, you should mention Ed Dames, though, because I've got a fact in front of me from Major Ed Dames.
And Colonel Corso, an eyewitness to the alien bodies and to the alien technology, said on this program this evening that the bodies of these aliens deteriorated very rapidly.
And Ed Dames, who has commented in the past on Roswell, just faxed me and said the bodies are deteriorated, in quotes, to the point where they disappeared.
And Ed Dames has said in the past that he believes that Roswell was, in effect, covered up with time travel.
Yeah, basically I was ringing up because I saw the photo on your website the alien and I've actually seen an alien like that but it was actually in a dream and I saw it before the actual photo ended up on the website.
Well if I were you I would seek out a clinical hypnotist and try and find out whether you actually dreamt that or whether perhaps you had an experience that can only be accounted for through regressive hypnosis, sir.
Thank you.
That's from Western Australia and I guess I ought to give that number out.
What I do know, though, is that I believe Colonel Corso.
unidentified
Yes, I do, too, because John McClellan bets him for me, because when Jimmy Carter ran, he actually apologized to the Arkansas people for having to vote for him for party loyalty.
Well, Jimmy Carter made some other apologies, too.
Thank you.
Jimmy Carter, I believe, was well aware of much of what the Colonel just said tonight, and more, no doubt more.
And Jimmy Carter, as you know, when he ran for office, said that he would reveal to the American public, as a campaign promise, what he found out about extraterrestrial life, about UFOs.
He saw one himself.
And I am not ever going to forget a call I got from a listener, which I regarded as absolutely genuine not long ago, in which a caller said he had gone to a book signing of Jimmy Carter's.
And Jimmy Carter, and I can relate this fairly accurately, I believe, Jimmy Carter was sitting there, as you do when you're at a book signing, hours on end, kind of not looking up or hardly making eye contact with whoever is in front of you because you're signing one after another after another.
And that's what Jimmy Carter was doing, signing very quickly.
But my caller took the time to make eye contact with Jimmy Carter, caused him to make eye contact, and asked him specifically about his campaign promise.
And Jimmy Carter, according to the caller, stopped cold, and tears formed in his eyes.
And he never really said anything about it.
And that was the end of the encounter.
But it says a lot, doesn't it?
Because whatever you may or may not think, or I may or may not think, of the effectiveness of Jimmy Carter as a president, one thing he was an honest man, still is, an honest man.
And what is it they could have told Jimmy Carter that would have prevented him from keeping his campaign promise?
What single thing could have been so profound that to this very day Jimmy Carter Has such an internal struggle because he's such an honest man, and he is, no matter what else you think of him, that it would bring him to tears to not be able to tell the truth.
That's worth a little thought.
What could be so profound that you could tell a president that would cause him to break that promise?
I don't know.
I've been thinking about that one for a long time.
Anyway, reaction to the interview with Colonel Philip Corso, his book, The Day After Roswell, probably should have been titled The Years After Roswell.
Because if you believe it, and I don't see how you cannot, then all of history, recent modern technological history, has got to be rewritten.
And the lies, oh my, the lies.
This is CBZ.
unidentified
This is CBZ.
Thank you.
Artbell is taking calls on the wildcard line at 702-727-1295.
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Well, we'll be in open lines from now through the end of the program, and you heard from Colonel Corso tonight, and I'm seeking reaction, and I'm sure I'm going to get it.
I've got a very interesting facts here, and we will explore it in a moment.
Dear Art, you once said that no one has shown any evidence yet to prove the alien autopsy film to be a fake.
Tonight, your guest said that the recovered bodies from the Roswell crash had no sex organs.
The autopsy film clearly showed female genitalia.
So, which is true?
One has to be a hoax.
Barry in Arizona.
Well, Barry, I would observe the following.
If you listen to the Colonel carefully, he suggested, number one, not only was there no sex organ, but there was no eyes, there was no mouth, there was very little relationship in what he described to what was shown in the alien autopsy.
However, to take your point, in what I saw in the alien autopsy, there was no sex.
I think that what you did see in the alien autopsy did not clearly show a female sex organ.
It showed a lack of anything, or at least that's my recollection.
It showed a lack of really anything.
So again, that's my recollection, but beyond question, what the colonel described and what was in the alien autopsy are clearly entirely different things.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
This is Donna from Anchorage.
I just want to make one quick comment about tonight's show.
Sure.
I found it very interesting and not sure how to react to the whole situation of what we heard tonight on the radio, but I think it's a good idea to that if you could get a tape of the show to your friend who does the reverse speech stuff, that might be interesting to listen to also.
I mean, I've thought of this in a million different ways.
What possible reason would an 82-year-old man who hobnobbed with presidents was in the exact position he said he was in, doing exactly what he said he was doing?
Why would such a man concoct a great fish story like this?
I don't buy it.
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I don't think it's even feasible that he would even think about concocting the story.
It's a pretty amazing thing to have heard and to think about.
Richard is going to be here Friday night, Saturday morning, and tomorrow night.
Tomorrow night, I think you're going to find to be fascinating.
Tomorrow night, we're going to discuss a very, very unusual topic that I have never heard discussed on the radio for real.
My guest is Jim Keith tomorrow night.
He wrote a book called Casebook, Men in Black, a Casebook.
Actual Cases of the Men in Black.
In my mind, I think that I probably placed the Men in Black business pretty much with the Black Helicopter business.
However, it is reasonable to conclude, if you believe what the Colonel Had to say over the last several hours, and I do that on occasions when evidence manifested itself that would have blown all this wide open,
those who would keep it secret would send their agents to confiscate or discredit witnesses, and those would be what we know as the men in black.
So if what Colonel Corso said is true, then the men in black may be true.
Or perhaps there is a germ of truth that has grown into a myth that we now know as the men in black.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified
Yes.
I had a comment about tonight's show.
Okay.
Yes, I didn't hear all of it, but I'd heard the previous interview on Dreamland with Colonel Corso.
Right, which was essentially it was a little different than tonight, but essentially the same information.
unidentified
Yes, and I haven't read the book.
I I'd be very interested in doing so.
But I've got to say, first, I'm a big fan of your show, but I'm very skeptical about this, and I think that people shouldn't get too excited too quickly.
There are a number of things that concern me here.
You know, firstly, if you think about the technology involved in fiber optics, integrated circuits and such, this is really, most of this was a logical experience.
Well, you're going to have to lay down some foundation for that one because I don't see it.
unidentified
Well, just as the transistor represented early experimentation with solid-state technology, and that was an extension of vacuum tubes and such, the integrated circuit circuit.
A transistor is not a logical extension of a vacuum tube.
unidentified
In the sense that both involve amplification.
It is.
Obviously, one involves solid state, and the other is a completely different form of technology.
But what I'm really alluding to is the advance of technology over time, the progression of technology over time.
And I think that when Corso's book first came out, didn't somebody look at and actually interview some of the major companies that held patents or whose employees had actually patented some of the things that we had.
Did you not hear Colonel Corso say that they were encouraged to file patents on this technology that was developed with budget money that he supplied?
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But I find that interesting too because I have worked on a number of major government research programs.
I'm familiar with government contracts and a couple of them were so-called black programs, classified programs.
And that would be a very unusual way to proceed.
In fact, the government normally would only provide that kind of data in the course of a government contract, a contract for the development of some product or some technology.
Art, earlier you asked your guest, the lieutenant, whether or not the Congress should have an open, somewhat of a public hearing on the claims that he's been making, which I think was very wise of you.
And what I would like to do as one of your millions of listeners is ask you to possibly have maybe your, sorry, I forgot his name, the reversal person?
David Oates, to do some reversals on what he's been saying.
And that way we can start from the beginning, which would be with the Art Bell show, have the reversals done, and then we can confirm the colonel's sayings.
I mean, if we talk about war, that would take a show to do with John Alexander, which, by the way, I have done, and we will do another.
It would take too much time right now.
But weapons, sir, when they're talking about non-lethal weapons and you're talking about war, it is more desirable to, for example, take your enemy to cripple your enemy, to hurt your enemy, as opposed to killing.
Now, if you and I are having a war and I've got 100 guys and you've got 100 guys and we're shooting at each other, I'm better off wounding one of your guys because when I do, it's going to take one or two more of your guys to take him behind the lines, and in other words, you take out not just one, but two or three.
unidentified
Yeah, I hear what you're saying, Aaron, but I've heard so many other times also that there's no rules to war, and you just go in and just annihilate them.
Well, you gave me a definition of what war was, and I gave you two wars that were not that at all.
So thank you very much for the call.
If you're asking about why develop non-lethal technology, why develop non-lethal weapons, I gave you the answer.
The very nature of modern warfare is not as you suggested.
In a perfect world, it would be.
In other words, once you're going to literally go to war with another country and you are going to commit the lives, the flesh, the blood of your countrymen, you don't fight a partial war.
I know about that.
I know about Vietnam.
And I'll tell you something.
If I could have put my hands around Lyndon Johnson's neck, I would have strangled him until there was no life left.
That man committed hundreds of thousands of Americans to a war which he fought in a half-assed way from the White House.
And he didn't know what he was doing.
And he was killing people.
I have a lot of very strong feelings about that.
So if you want to talk about the nature of war, we can do that.
I'd just like to make a comment about tonight's information from the colonel there.
I think the information, if the governments choose to give it out, would more or less unite everybody to a common cause, if you understand what I'm getting at.
So I'm thinking if one reason we might not know about it is if our government is, as the Colonel suggests, fully aware and they have no control, they still haven't figured out all of the technology, and they can't control what flies in our skies, then they're not going to admit it's there because they can't do a damn thing about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
So I think then the government's going, I think, that they're going at a wrong angle.
I think that if they told us, we'd all be much happier and more stable because we'd have a common foe to unite against.
If you were talking about World War II, while all of us, all allies, went against a common foe when for a while they were all united, even with Russia.