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July 23, 1997 - Art Bell
02:42:50
Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - The Day After Roswell - Col. Philip Corso - Dr. John Alexander
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From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening or good
morning as the case may be across all these time zones stretching from the Hawaiian and
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Top of the morning, I'm Art Bell.
It should be a fascinating program this morning.
Shortly, Dr. John Alexander in Las Vegas and Colonel Philip J. Corso, also in Las Vegas, and both of them, in their own right, are going to contribute much to your knowledge this morning.
If you think that you understand what occurred at Roswell, or as a result of what occurred at Roswell, or a crash or recovered ...materials in New Mexico.
Maybe I better put it that way, because there really have been, we believe, several crashes in New Mexico, two, possibly even three.
And Colonel Corso is a man who took, ultimately, technology gleaned from those crashes, or that crash, depending on what you believe, and infused it into American industry.
And we'll try and develop this story for you.
The colonel is at a hotel where his telephone connection, unfortunately, is not very good.
We're working on that.
And so, all of that coming up, hopefully, technical details on our side in a few moments.
I'd like to welcome W.R.F.
C, AM radio in Athens, Georgia, to the network.
There are 960 on the dial in Athens, Georgia.
Top of the morning to you.
All right, first of all, Dr. John B. Alexander, a little bit of background on him educationally, the University of Nebraska at Omaha, BGS in Sociology, 1971, Pepperdine University in 1975, an MA in Education there, Walden University of California, Los Angeles, School of Engineering and Applied Science, Engineering Management Program in 1990.
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Sloan School of Management, Executive Program in Management of Complex Organizations in 1991.
And Harvard University, John F. Kennedy School of Government, Program for Senior Executives in National and International 1993.
Dr. Alexander has been an investigator of and a developer of non-lethal warfare systems.
He is an absolutely fascinating person, and I trust that we have him on the line.
Dr. Alexander?
Great.
Good.
We've got you.
You know what I think, Doctor?
I think I should allow you to introduce Colonel Corso.
uh... if you would and tell this audience now we had the colonel's course
on dreamland uh... but this audience is uh... larger uh... many people
will not know who colonel corso is
they might know he's got a book called the day after roswell not might be about
all they know what would you say of colonel corso beyond that
well i first uh...
but uh... corso about a year ago and he came to us with a uh... a very unusual story
And that had to do, of course, with alien technology and the things that he has written about in his book.
One of the things that struck us, of course, was his credentials.
And, of course, sometimes people fake them.
So I spent a week in Washington checking out his background.
And I went to The Pentagon, the National Archives, the Army, military history.
I also went to the Army War College because a key person in all the things that he talks about is a Lieutenant General Art Trudeau.
And Trudeau in the Army and military and all was a legend.
In fact, he was so well known that when the Army started doing their Oral histories, he was one of the first eight people to be interviewed.
Now where this gets important is that during this interview, Phil Corso sat in every session with the General.
So here it is, twenty years after they both retired, and they still remained very close friends.
And one of the stories is he actually got his boss fired at one time, which is not usually career enhancing.
But survive that and remain to be very close friends.
So what I can say is when Phil says he was in the National Security Council, he was in this foreign technology division in the Pentagon.
I should not be confused with the thing at Wright-Patterson.
This was a small army thing.
Basically it was Phil and a position that he held until he retired.
Looking at foreign material, and of course he claims that this, some of it at least, was from the crash saucer.
So it would be fair to say the colonel is a former army intelligence officer.
That's true.
All right.
He worked with a heavy background in research and development.
All right.
Let's see if we can bring him on.
Colonel, are you there?
Oh, I fear that we have lost the colonel, and I suspect, Doctor, that what they're doing is changing his phone out as we requested they do uh... and it may be we're trying to get better connection anyway i've got a little bit more on the colonel uh... and i'd like to read it uh... former intelligence officer yes uh... part of the allied occupation forces uh... in rome from nineteen forty four through forty seven at the end of world war two operation paperclip which brought german rocket scientists to the united states during the korean war he served under general mcarthur
And from 1953 through 57 as a member of the National Security Council under President Eisenhower.
All of this, by the way, once again, ladies and gentlemen, has been very, very carefully checked out.
It was in 1961 that Colonel Corso was appointed Chief of the Army's Foreign Technology Division by Lieutenant General Arthur Trudeau.
You just heard about that.
There he worked in research and development, R&D, Translating classified weapons design plans into defense contracts.
It was then, on a certain fateful day, as the colonel tells it, that a file cabinet was wheeled into his office, the contents of which he was asked to examine by Trudeau.
Corso was advised the contents were not, quote, run-of-the-mill foreign stuff, Unquote, and was suggestively told to research the Roswell file before writing up his summary.
Among the items in the cabinet, the colonel says he found a mysterious shoebox of tangled wires, a dull grayish silvery foil-like swatch of cloth that he was unable to fold, bend over, tear, or wad up, But that bounded right back into its original shape without any crease.
I wonder if any of you recall from the movie that exact description.
Visually, you saw that material in the movie Roswell.
And though it was a dramatic reenactment that was obviously very much like we have described here.
And that is just the beginning.
So there are many, many questions.
We're going to take an additional break here, because we're going to try to get the Colonel back on the line again, and see if the hotel has his telephone situation worked out.
So we'll do that and with fingers crossed, Colonel Corso, when we return.
Alright, I think that we may have accomplished our goal, I certainly hope so.
Um, I believe now, in Las Vegas, uh, here is Colonel Corso.
Are you there, Colonel?
Uh, he says.
Now, we've lost him again.
I do not understand that.
Um, alright, let's, uh, hold on.
Uh, Dr. Alexander, are you still there?
So we've lost Dr. Alexander as well.
Well, well, well.
I wonder what's going on here with our, uh, with our telephone system.
Doctor, are you there?
We may be having difficulties, folks, with our phone system.
We're going to try all of this one more time and take one more break and try and get this
done.
Let's try this one more time.
Colonel Corso, are you there?
I'm here.
Okay, we don't yet have Dr. Alexander back, but we definitely have you.
And what I'd like you to do, if you'd be willing, is to add to what Dr. Alexander said, and tell us about your own background.
My background?
Well, I came in the Army in 1940, when the war started, right after Pearl Harbor.
And I was drafted, and I went to officer school.
And I came out a second lieutenant.
And they put me in an artillery outfit.
Right after that I got transferred to Intelligence.
And I was sent to England.
Got promoted to First Lieutenant.
And I joined British MI-19.
And they sent me to Cambridge for three weeks.
And I'd learned Intelligence under them.
And from there I went to North Africa.
I became an interrogator, prisoner of war, and worked with the British and with their commandos.
Then I went to North Africa.
From North Africa I participated in the landing at Salerno Harbor in Italy.
Then I came up through Italy all the way to Cassino and I was in the battles of Cassino.
From there I landed on the beach at Angio and then went into Rome.
There they made me Assistant Chief of Staff G2 Intelligence and Intelligence and Security Chief of Rome Area Command.
I participated there in re-establishing law and order.
I destroyed the Gestapo in the Cessna.
And from there I came back to Fort Riley, Kansas.
So your career, to the point that you met the General, was a very honorable and fairly normal military career.
It was in combat at the time.
We were fighting a war in North Africa, Sicily, and Italy.
And then I joined the General.
I went to Korea after that.
I participated in the Korean War and I joined MacArthur's staff over there.
When I came back to the States, I joined President Eisenhower as one of his military aides at the National Security Council at the White House.
There my career sort of changed.
I was in the White House for four years and from there I took command of a missile battalion The Army's missile firing range at White Sands.
Then I took a combat missile battalion, and I had atomic warheads even, to Germany.
I stayed in command eighteen months, and then I became Inspector General of the 7th Army.
From there I came back to the United States, and General Trudeau had reorganized research and development of the Army.
He sent for me, and I joined him as his Special Assistant and Chief of the Foreign Technology Division.
So you had a very, very long military career before you met General Trudeau.
Well, I met him when he was Chief of Army Intelligence, and he sent me to the White House.
Okay, but at all this prior military service, Colonel, you never...
Layed hands on any sort of extraterrestrial anything or even had a hint of it, everything you did was very... No, I didn't.
Not till I got to Fort Raleigh, Kansas.
Was very terrestrial and very normal and very heroic, huh?
Very normal, yes.
It was.
And that's where, I guess, with General Trudeau, in what year?
I joined him, first I was in Army Intelligence, and he sent me to the White House.
So I stayed there for four years.
And then I came back to the United States in 1960, and I immediately joined him in research and development.
What did you do at the White House, Colonel?
I was on the policy... The Operations Coordinating Board was the policy guidance system.
It investigated policy and made policy.
And we were known as the Checked Up on Policy.
And I actually chaired a lot of policy groups.
And President Eisenhower He, for example, assigned me a case that was called the Volunteer Freedom Corps, where we were going to set up units in Germany, Polish and Czech and Romanians, with the uniform of their nation, and we were going to harm them.
I worked on that, and we were ready to put it into effect, and then he had his heart attack, and it went sort of downhill.
The CIA opposed it, and the State Department opposed it.
And I found out later that they use deceptive methods to oppose it.
All right.
Dr. Alexander, you went to Washington and basically confirmed all of this background?
Yes, and probably a bit more.
As I said, this is high-level intrigue, but it turns out that it's really true, and that is that General Trudeau, as the Chief of Staff Intelligence, Army Chief of Staff Intelligence, of the highest intelligence kind of army, was fired.
Why?
Or maybe I ought to say, for what?
There's high-level intrigue going on, and supposedly he had passed information to Adenauer, which the Dulles boys, who had CIA and State, were quite unhappy with.
Now, I was involved in that, and I can fill in the background if, I guess, John wants to do it.
Well, go ahead.
You've got a better feel than I, Phil.
Yeah, okay.
Well, what happened is I brought General Trudeau what we called the National Intelligence Estimates.
These were the basis for U.S.
policy, and they were made by CIA.
All right, this is obviously going to get fairly complicated, and with all our phone troubles, we've made our way to the bottom of the hour.
This is exactly where I want to pick it up when we come back.
So everybody just relax for a few moments and back we will be.
The story you're going to hear unfold is an absolutely amazing one.
The background you're getting now is absolutely necessary to establish exactly who Colonel Corso is.
By the way, his book debuts, no doubt, on the bestseller list at about number 12.
It's called The Day After Roswell.
And what you're going to learn this evening is how we put our hands on technology from those crashes.
And even more interestingly, what we did with it.
All of that coming up next.
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Good morning. Well, that was a bit of phone shuffling we went through.
The hotel where the Colonel is sent a maintenance man up, and we finally, I think, have everything straightened away.
My guests are Dr. John Alexander and Colonel Philip J. Corso, and the story that is about to unfold, if you listen carefully, will, for many of you, remove all doubt of what has happened with regard to our technology, Whether we've been visited by alien life, all of that wrapped up into what you're about to hear.
so hang in there back now to
uh... respectively uh... doctor john alexander in las vegas and colonel
philip corso Gentlemen, you're both back on the air again, and Colonel,
The comment was made that you got your boss fired.
Well, possibly I caused it.
I was a trained intelligence officer by the British.
And we had at the White House what we called National Intelligence Estimates.
All were top secret.
They were basis for U.S.
policy.
CIA made them up.
And they were supposed to be compiled from hard intelligence.
This, Colonel, is the kind of thing that today You would see somebody walk in and put on the president's desk in the morning.
That sort of report?
Well, it was sort of.
But this was a basis for policy, and later would become national policy.
I might add, Eric, that these are very comprehensive reports.
These are based on long-term projections.
A number of people look at them, and they are... The intelligence community gets together and say, this is our best estimate.
So are these, in effect, not daily intelligence reports?
No, they're not daily.
But summations that lead to a firm policy change for our government?
Most of the estimates that I uncovered were vis-a-vis the Soviet Union and Communist Bloc.
And I found out, since I could check intelligence from the military sources, I found out that they were not based on intelligence.
It was mostly ideology, And just two years ago, CIA admitted this in newspaper articles.
For example, I went to the General one day on the loss of Formosa, and I told him there was a National Intelligence estimate on that.
It was not important, so the General called CIA, called Allen Dallas, and he told him no such estimate existed.
And I pulled the copy out of my briefcase and handed it to him, and I won't repeat what the General said.
Now, these estimates I found out that they were not based on hard intelligence.
They were based on their thinking and ideology.
And this was dangerous because most of them were apologetic to the Soviet Union.
And we considered that a great danger.
So when I laid these out to the General, and by the way, in 1962, I testified for two days in front of Committee of Congress, the Senate Judiciary Committee, and this testimony is still rated Top Secret.
It was on this subject.
And Trudeau refused to comment on these overnight like they wanted, because they didn't want anybody to check on them.
So they made up an excuse that he gave when Adenauer called him in Washington, and he briefed Adenauer on these cards.
Well, I got in the act and I sent over the Germans, the CIC, the military, and I told them, get me information that Galen's outfit is penetrated.
And they did.
So Alan Dulles immediately took off for Turkey, and I still remember that's where he went.
And two of my friends, former Ambassador of Thailand, Max Bishop, and Ambassador to South America of Mexico, Robert Hill, came with me.
We went to see Senator Bridges, at the time Chairman of the Armed Services Committee, and he was a tough old man.
And he promised us that there wouldn't be another officer promoted in the Army until Trudeau was brought back and promoted.
And he did, he got promoted to Lieutenant General.
So this was the intrigue that went on, and of course this increased my animosity with CIA.
Because they didn't like an intelligence officer uncovering this.
I remember at the time, I was at the White House, which was considered above them.
So I could call a few names back when I wanted to.
And there was not much I could do about it.
But this was the intrigue where General Trudeau was relieved.
And then brought back bigger than ever.
In fact, he took command of a cord and came back and reorganized research and development, which was in logistics, a secondary mission.
All right, who was responsible, do you think, for bringing General Trudeau back?
Yes.
Because we were close.
Until the old gentleman died, we were close friends.
No, I understand that, but what I'm asking, Colonel, is who was... Colonel Thurman.
What was that?
Who brought him back?
Yeah, who brought back General Trudeau?
Well, Secretary of the Army Brooker.
And a couple of generals, the Chief of Staff was, at the time I forget his name, but he was a friend of the generals, and they brought him back and he became Chief of Research and Development.
But it was because of Strom Thurmond and the support from the Hill.
Yes.
So Congress is integrally involved in this.
That's right, they were.
There were strong Senators, Senator Eastland, Senator Dirksen, Senator McClellan, and Senator Thurmond.
And Nolan, and people like that were involved on General Tudor's side.
And I know because I talked to everyone on personally.
So, uh, they wanted him then as Chief of R&D, and I take it despite all the political intrigue earlier, they knew him to be a patriot, they knew him to be a good man, and they trusted him, and I presume that's why they brought him back.
This was a general that took his helmet off with two stars.
He was a Division Commander at Porkchop Hill.
Well, I came back from Germany and when he found out I was back he sent for me.
general, division commander. That's the type of man he was.
And also very religious. He went to retreats at Loyola and one of the most brilliant
men I ever knew in my life.
And so naturally as he came back, so did you with him.
Well, I came back from Germany and when he found out I was back he sent for me. And I
walked in his office and I saluted him and he said, you aboard Phil? I told him yes sir.
And the only order he ever gave me was, they'll watch things for me, the rest don't understand.
And what he meant, the inside workings of the government.
So that was the story on the General.
Because he challenged the estimates, which were a danger to us.
Because the Soviet Union at the time had said, we will bury you.
I recall.
By the way, a defector told me that he was talking to Brezhnev.
In Germany.
And in Russia.
There's a defector from Poland named Golineski.
And I asked him if he ever heard of Trudeau.
He said, oh yes.
He said Brezhnev told me, and Brezhnev was premier then, he said that this is the most dangerous general in the U.S.
Army.
A defector actually told me that.
Michael Golineski.
And from what point of view do you think he meant that, the most dangerous man?
He meant that also as a fighting general.
And because of his knowledge also in R&D and intelligence, he knew what they were up to.
Alright, so now you went to work for General Trudeau, and this is where things begin to get interesting for you.
Yes.
At this point, again, you had never laid hands on anything extraterrestrial, probably hadn't seen a UFO or anything else In other words, you were not any sort of ufologist or even interested?
I saw a body at Fort Raleigh, Kansas.
But I put that out of my mind until I could collaborate information.
I can intelligence and prove it.
And later I had, there were some experiences that happened.
My radars were picking up objects at White Sands when I commanded the range battalion.
Traveled three or four thousand miles an hour.
I guess that we'd better back up then.
If you saw a body at Fort Riley, Texas, tell my audience... In Kansas.
It was in Kansas.
I'm sorry, Kansas.
Tell my audience that story.
Well, what it was... I was appointed, one night, post-duty officer.
Actually, lately I've been getting some criticisms.
They said that the security was lax at Fort Riley if I did that.
But I was the security officer that night.
Or the post-duty officer.
And people know, the Army know, that when you're appointed post-duty officer, you're responsible for all the guards and security all that night on the post.
Why would anybody criticize that?
I was in the Air Force, Colonel, and I remember that most all bases had an on-duty officer for the night.
Well, the critics didn't know this.
They weren't in the Army.
And really, that night, I was the security.
And when I went down, one of my sergeants, message sergeant, I knew well, was sergeant of the guard in the Because we had horses in, in the area, the veterinarian area.
And there's five, I think it was five of them, yes, there was five boxes there that looked like caskets.
And I went out in the room, because I was security officer, I had to go inspect, they told me it was sensitive cargo there.
They come by truck.
Was it in transit, or was that in front?
It was in transit.
I'll tell you how I knew that.
Now, I went in and I picked up the tarp, and I saw this body.
Of course I turned a little bit.
At first I thought it was a young baby or something.
Then I got a little bit turned like you do in combat when something like that happens and your stomach gets upset.
But you recover fast.
I told the sergeant, sergeant get out of here because I don't want you in trouble.
Go out to your post and I'll be out in a second.
I put the tarp back down.
Now this only lasted ten or fifteen seconds.
And what do you recall seeing?
You say you saw a body?
I saw an extraterrestrial.
Skinny arms, skinny legs.
Under five feet.
Had a fairly large head.
Not large, but compared to the body it was large.
And the eyes, they were slanted eyes.
No nose, no mouth, no ears.
And it was floating in some liquid and it was a gray color.
And that's what I saw.
And I immediately dismissed it.
I figured, I don't know what it is until I can corroborate it like an intelligence.
Maybe even later, and later on I was able to prove what it was.
Do you know what that liquid was?
No, I had no idea.
Uh-huh.
Ah, and you say there were a total of five.
Is that correct?
Five caskets or five, if that's what you want to call them?
No, they were crates-like, but they had liquid in them.
The thing was floating in some sort of liquid.
Okay, what date was this, as best you can recall?
It was Fort Lauderdale, Kansas.
and the date? 1947.
uh... how... in July. July.
because I went to Fort Raleigh, Kansas.
I was stationed out there on garrison duty.
We had an intelligence aggressor force we were setting up for the military, and we were writing courses for intelligence.
And I joined the Department of Non-Resident Instruction at Fort Raleigh, Kansas.
Alright, since you're an eyewitness to this, and you're now 82 years old, is that correct?
82.
It's very, very important that we be very clear about What you saw there, this is a very key point, I believe.
The Air Force, as you well know, had a news conference and said, well, they were dummies.
Now, is there any chance that what you saw, and in fact, as you know, the Air Force at their news conference showed these dummies that they dropped in later years, 1953 actually, but even if they had dropped them in 1947, they might have, could you have been looking at a dummy, a non...
You know, I told people in the late interviews that I will not criticize the Sister Service.
I fought in Korea with them and I have a lot of friends in the Air Force, but their superiors I will criticize.
There was no question in my mind what it was.
I know the difference between a body like that that I saw there and a dummy, or even a monkey like some said.
They've even come forward and said maybe it was Japanese in that balloon.
I don't know where they get these stories or why they make them up.
It's beyond comprehension to me.
They don't have to do this.
So you saw a creature, there's no question about it.
Yes.
I take it, Colonel, you saw the Air Force's news conference, correct?
Yes.
And you saw the dummies that they showed that were dropped, correct?
Impossibility.
And that is not what was in that... No, no chance.
No chance.
Alright, do you know where these bodies were next headed?
I do know.
When I came out, I asked the sergeants on the guard that night.
We talked to the drivers.
It came from an air base in New Mexico.
There were five trucks and they were heading for Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
They had a driver and a co-driver, each truck.
The soldiers told the sergeants that.
And they reported that back to me.
It was on its way.
Remember, in those days, about one of the only cross-country roads was Route 40.
Right.
And they were coming through Route 40.
Right.
And they were heading for the Air Force Base in Ohio.
Wright-Patterson.
And the soldiers told them that.
That's where they were going.
All right.
Do you think that anybody else, the soldiers accompanying these caskets or whatever they were, Also saw these beings.
Well, the sergeant there that I was with, that came in with me, and then I told him to get out because he was sensitive.
Where is that sergeant?
I can't answer that.
Okay, where is that sergeant now, do you know?
It's been 50 years, Art, I don't know.
I wish I did know.
But he was a good boy, you know.
Well, he may be less a sergeant.
A master sergeant at that time.
Yes.
So he may or may not still be with us.
That, Art, I can't answer.
I don't know.
All right.
So there you...
You saw this body, and then what?
Then I just sort of forgot about it.
And then when I became the missile commander at the range in New Mexico, I start picking up these objects traveling 3,000 and 4,000 miles an hour.
And I start checking that, and our headquarters didn't want to be informed.
So I didn't say much.
They didn't want to be informed?
No.
I sent one forward.
See, on the Nike system, I had tapes.
They looked like a lie detector thing.
And that gave the entire firing sequence.
So when one of these events happened, I would call up the battery and say, send me the tapes.
And this showed if it was true or not.
And they actually were accurate.
And later I discussed this with the radar people.
And then when I went to Germany, I was picking up, every once in a while I'd pick up an object over there going three or four thousand miles an hour.
And nobody wanted to hear about it?
No, our headquarters, when I sent them the first report, They said we're not interested, forget it.
So I promptly forgot it, and I didn't report it any longer.
Uh, Dr. Alexander, um, does that make sense to you, or for that matter, Colonel, does it make sense to you, uh, then, certainly, we had not made any statement saying, uh, UFOs are no threat to national security, we're not interested.
It would seem to me anything flying at three or four thousand miles an hour would have been of intense interest, uh, to the military then, or for that matter, uh, now.
Not necessarily.
When you look at things like NORAD and places like that, if you don't believe that there is a threat that can go that fast, and you're looking for a threat or no threat, and if it doesn't exist, if it goes that fast, it's not threatening you, it's no threat.
We were looking for every reason to discard Uh, targets.
Not to try and include them.
Remember, computers were not like they are today.
I mean, you've got more power on your desktop today than NORAD had in those days.
That is true.
And I suppose... My computers were the cam type.
We had a needle revolver on the cam.
Then I got, those came from England.
Then, in my tour, before my tour was up, I had radars, and they were oil data pots.
And that was quite an advancement in those days.
And it was, of course, primitive throw out a bunch of RF and get a return type radar.
There was no transponder usage or anything like that.
So you were constantly looking at what really was in the air.
Yes.
On my radars, even in Germany, I had two batteries always on alert.
And we were tracking these things.
I had an acquisition radar.
And then I had two target track radars.
There was a pencil beam, which would lock on the aircraft and lock on the missile.
One on the aircraft and one on the missile.
And the computer would bring them together.
Now, when you fire Nikes, the missiles we had, we'd lock on the target, and then the missile, when it's fired, goes straight up in the air and then dives on the target.
And it does not fire a slant range.
This was the Nike system that we had, which was the best that we had at the time.
All right.
Dr. Alexander, as you went back to Washington again, you confirmed the colonel's service in these areas as best you could.
That is correct.
He absolutely was the places that he said he was and when he was there and did what he says he did.
By the way, Art, one other thing I think ought to be made, that I think is important about Phil Corso, is this is not the first time That he has come forward and told some pretty remarkable tales.
In fact, in 19, I believe it was 92 or 93, talked about a secret war that had been going on.
And this was done, reported in 2020, U.S.
News & World Report and to the U.S.
Congress.
And it was a war that had been going on, and Phil can tell you more about it, because it's an important piece of why we responded the way we did.
Except for those who had very special clearances, never knew that this was going on.
What secret war are we talking about, Doctor?
We were, for many, many years, we were probing the Soviet air defense.
And we would send planes in and try to get them to turn on their electronics so that we could map their air defense system.
Sure.
It was a cat and mouse game, and every once in a while the cat won.
And we were losing air crews, and We knew, and Phil can tell you a lot about this, we had people down on the ground, captured alive, and we didn't even ask for them back.
What kind of airplanes were we flying over the Soviet Union?
These were the electronic aircraft, our ECM birds.
Electronic countermeasures?
Well, they were designed to capture electronic signals.
We were trying to map Oh, no, I understand.
When I asked, I meant what type of aircraft.
Do you know, offhand?
The actual type?
I know in later years we flew U-2s.
And, of course, Francis Gary Powers.
I was flying all the way over.
These were probes along the borders.
All right.
They would go in... Gentlemen, hold on.
We're at a break point.
We'll be right back.
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colonel philip corso in las vegas uh...
We were talking about a secret war.
And one in which the United States was, I guess, flying airplanes, incursions into Soviet border areas to try to get them to turn on their radars and so forth so we could decide what they have and what they don't have.
Is that about correct?
Well, we were trying to map out our paths in, so if we did go to a pull-up war, We would know where it would be safe to fire planes and where we could not.
Sure, what year was that, John?
Oh, this went on for decades.
But with regard to the Colonel's involvement?
Well, he was in the White House in the 50s when we had lost some of them.
Also, we had a 100-inch camera, which was highly classified at the time, from Northeast I don't know of any Cold War.
They could photograph Alva Stock and this was highly classified at the time.
We were flying that over there.
Now Chris Wallace on primetime, he asked me one day when I was being interviewed on TV
Cold War and I told him, Chris I don't want to be ludicrous or it's not a joke, I'm very
dead serious on this.
I don't know of any Cold War.
Every war I've been involved in was a hot war.
And I told him, and people, boys were dying, they were shooting at each other, 30mm shells
and everything else coming at them.
Colonel, how many aircraft and aircrew are you aware of that we lost during those kind of operations?
I don't have the number, Art, but this went on for quite a few years.
And it was a constant battle.
And we lost a lot of men.
In fact, I had a situation where, when I testified in Missing Persons of War, a woman came up to me with her daughter.
And they gave me the name of Lieutenant Colonel.
I said, oh yes, I remember him.
He's a technical advisor on one of these airplanes with a 100-inch camera, and I used to receive the reports, or the photos.
A little girl got over and kissed me on the cheeks.
She said, finally, we don't know what our father did when he got killed, because the Pentagon told us he was joyriding.
I told them he was not joyriding.
He was a technical observer.
Now, these things happen, you know.
Well, I understand that it had to be done.
and we will confirm the white house it took some photographs
it is camera man there and he stopped he said karen i understand
after all you people responsible security donation from chris
i'm glad to hear that that you understand what we were doing
well i understand that it had to be done it is a little difficult for the american people to
understand that when these air crews went down
even if they lived they were basically abandoned
yes they were I testified in front of the House Committee and the Senate Committee on this problem.
What do you think happened to those men, Colonel?
I told President Eisenhower what happened.
For example, at Panmunjom, I was on a truce delegation.
And I was on the ground when the boys were being exchanged.
Our Korean Colonel we had told him, the civilians told him, there was 500 sick and wounded 10 miles from Panmunjom.
I wrote this up, well then our prisoners came through and those boys told me that they saw those boys there.
They were sick and wounded, pretty badly sick and pretty badly wounded.
So I wrote up a presentation and the Chief Delegate took it up at the time when John, the Chinese General, broke a pencil in half when he heard this.
Now none of those boys came back and they were all dead.
They all were died.
Well, maybe they didn't want to know.
Terminated.
i told the senate committee for this you know that in after one question about it
maybe they didn't want to know well i i think the answer to your question is
that uh... particularly for the technical people that after they fulfilled their usefulness uh...
they were uh...
terminated terminated
in other words uh... no doubt uh... the ones that ended up in the enemy hands
over a tortured for whatever information uh... could be gleaned
and then disposed Right.
Well, they also took their identities.
That was an intelligent aspect of what I discussed with President Eisenhower.
I wonder how people who have knowledge of this, Colonel, sleep at night.
I mean, do you just rationalize it's war?
Cold or hot, whatever you want to call it, it's war and there are casualties.
It's war.
And after all, they threw in the burials.
Let's talk a little bit about that.
us and we have no choice just like the extraterrestrials
and the military you think uh... you are
just in case hostile
you're not going to be caught short and we did the same thing in the extraterrestrials
in that case we're going to be ready alright uh... let's talk a little bit about that you saw a
body in nineteen forty seven uh... there's no question about
what you saw you know what you saw it then went on to rightfield in patterson and
that really was the last uh...
uh... contact of that sort you have until when
in.
Well, there was these, planes were flying at Red Canyon there, and some things happened there.
But then, what confirmed it really in my mind, the collaboration, which is no question, we had, we financed the laboratory at Walter Reed.
Yes sir.
research and development did.
They had autopsy reports.
They had one and they did autopsy reports, which I had in my file.
You had autopsy reports in your file?
Oh yes.
In fact, some of that's mentioned in the book.
And I described the extraterrestrial.
Actually, the way I described him in the book, that one of the reasons when we tried to make
flying saucers and they all didn't work, was the extraterrestrial himself, or it, whatever
They had no sex organs.
Uh-huh.
He was a clone and built specifically by some intelligence for space travel.
He was actually a part of the flying saucer.
He was the guidance system.
So technically he was part of the craft?
Yes, he was part of the craft.
Uh-huh.
And he was, he was the guidance system.
Colonel, um, Colonel, Colonel, If I may, how did they make that determination?
In other words, all they had, or maybe I'm wrong, was dead bodies.
Did they have any live... Not that I know of.
Not that you know of.
We know with electromagnetism, and remember, I had some von Braun scientist on my team.
I discussed this with Herman Obert at Petermundo.
He was von Braun's boss.
And he believed in space travel, and dimensional travel even.
And I discussed this with von Braun and my own German scientist.
I had two on my team to investigate the line of atoms and metals.
And these people were convinced of that, and they were intelligent people.
All right, but let's back up a little bit.
You said you saw actual autopsy reports.
How many details do you remember from that?
Oh, I remember quite a few.
What can you tell us?
What was in those reports?
Well, number one, they had a third eyelid, and this eyelid It was a collector of light.
Because these creatures could see at night.
And we used that as a basis, one of the bases, for our night-viewing devices.
Imaging intensifiers, we call them.
In other words, what we now know as night-vision goggles.
That's right.
They came from that.
That's the seed.
And the German Ultra, they had some experiments that they were doing on infrared.
And the Germans, I had their documents.
And I was very fortunate that I had the scientist there who could explain the documents to me.
Okay, here's where we need to back up a little bit.
What knowledge did the Germans have, and how did they get it?
Now, the crash that I know about was in New Mexico, but you keep referring to German scientists.
There was a crash in Germany from the Olberts.
Tell me what he told me.
And there was also some crashes in Russia.
And Wilbur Smith, the Canadian genius on electromagnetism, brought us a piece of metal that he got from a downed foreign saucer in Canada.
All right.
As I recall the last interview we had with you, when you were employed by General Trudeau, one day, we're serving under him I guess I ought to say, one day the General brought to you a filing cabinet.
This was right after he made me head of the Foreign Technology Division.
So it was Almost your first job for him.
Well, it wasn't my only job, unfortunately.
I had a lot of other duties.
Well, if you were in charge of research and development, John, what kind of work was he doing in R&D?
Well, what he was doing in foreign technology, and one of the things they did was we would recover technology from a number of places we had called foreign material exploitation.
And a lot of it, of course, was Soviet.
And we would, when you get a piece of advanced technology, we would bring it in and give it to the laboratories and say, reverse engineer it.
How does it work?
What are the operating parameters?
Figure out what this is.
Right, so that's a lot of what they were doing.
He's, of course, carrying it to another level.
The helicopter came from France, the army helicopters.
They spent uranium that they tried to talk about in the outlaw after the Gulf War.
Uranium, I got that from the Swiss.
Are you referring to depleted uranium?
Yes, depleted uranium.
Shells, yes.
I got that from the Swiss.
From the Swiss?
And then the South Americans had one of the best anti-aircraft units at the time.
And then we got a 20mm from the Germans.
So, we were taking foreign technology, wherever it appeared in the world, and also, the foreign technology also uncovered other worlds.
All right, that's... The book is Project Horizon, very important.
We were going to put a military colony on the moon in the early 60s.
We were going to put a military... In other words, there were plans to do that.
A project horizon.
Uh-huh.
There's, uh, 50 pages are in the book, but the project itself was 310 pages.
In fact, I had a hand in declassifying it.
Um... John, have... Dr. Alexander, John, have you looked into, uh, this aspect of, um, The colonel's story that we had a whole plan to put a base on the moon?
Oh, that absolutely exists.
He's given me a copy.
And one of the things that's not very well known is that... You referred to the Germans before.
Remember, that was Operation Paperclip, where at the end of the war we had selected a number of scientists, Warner Von Braun and Oberst and others, and brought them in.
And they were working for the Army.
And so the Army had developed this plan, and then when NASA was formed, the plans went over to NASA.
So basically the plans, and they were very detailed, on how to get from here to there, and not just travel, but actually to establish bases and fight in space, was being thought about in the 50s.
Alright, so this was sort of an ongoing, we've got to get there before they do kind of plan.
Well, we made a plan and wrote it up like it was aimed at the Russians.
But if the plan is read in General Trudeau's instructions, they're in the book.
The letters he gave of instruction, you see that we were aiming at any enemy from outer space also.
And MacArthur knew about this.
So obviously at that point they had hard knowledge.
That there were others, and that they were not necessarily friendly at all.
Yes, and what we said, just in case, was our motto.
Just in case.
Just in case.
All right, let me read you this fax I've got, Colonel, and let me ask you about it.
We have yet to develop how you got to this technology, but here's somebody reading your book, Colonel, and he says, I'm only halfway through the Colonel's book, but I've reached a very disturbing chapter.
The Colonel says, I had a list of overt acts on their part.
Maybe accidental, maybe not planned, but they were overt acts.
They killed our men.
the aliens to be enemies of the united states would you please ask the colonel
if it's true and if indeed these aliens are
our are i had
a list of over the action there apart
maybe accidental maybe not but they were over the rocks
they killed our men about down aircraft
and uh... they wouldn't experiment on civilians So we had to consider in the military that those were hostile acts, whether by design or not, they were hostile.
Colonel, can you give me any details?
You say hostile acts, overt acts.
They killed our men, you said, and experimented on civilians.
Von Braun even wrote of a missile that was thrown off track by them, by electromagnetism.
And we were at Ramstein Air Force Base.
They shot at them.
And that's in the book also.
And the Maelstrom Air Force Base, they flew over there and they knocked out our guidance system on our Minutemen missiles.
The guidance system on every one was knocked out.
And then at Bokonur, at the Cosmodrome in the Soviet Union, a UFO came over for 14 seconds and all their steel towers fell apart.
All the wells and the rivers came apart.
The Cosmodrome was down for about three weeks.
And the UFO, it was over 14 seconds.
And also we had information that they followed all of Germany and all of the Russian Voskhod, I think, shot in the air.
So we had all that evidence.
Yes.
One thing I might add, and this is, I'll be the cautionary note here, is when Phil here talks about the military, and that's a pretty inclusive term, because I don't think that most, if you went to the military, that you would get consensus on this.
So this is clearly speaking for some people within the military, as opposed to an institutional position.
Yeah, I think John's right there.
Well, clearly the acts appeared to be overt, but from what you have told me, short of people who may have died, it seems hard to conclude that their action was that of an enemy that wanted to come at us or have a war with us, because surely they had the technology to wage a much larger-scale war than us.
We used to discuss, if they fight a war against us, are they going to fight on our level or their level?
Now, that's a question we never quite answered.
We didn't think that they were going to fight a war with guns and missiles like we do.
Uh-huh.
Remember, they were DNA experts.
They made these clones of the super-intelligence.
And when I analyzed that clone, what a marvelous thing that was.
We were amiss on that.
We should have diagnosed that thing very minute.
That was one of the greatest things they'd left us, and we were sort of remiss.
We didn't do enough.
That was a marvelous thing.
How much actually did we do?
I mean, again, you said you saw an autopsy report.
Well, we studied the digestive system.
There wasn't any.
None?
There was no vocal cords.
No vocal cords.
No ears.
No sound.
We figured that they had four lobes in the brain, and we figured that their communication was Would you call them biological entities?
We did.
We made that name up.
Extraterrestrial biological entities.
You made that name up?
We made that up in the Army.
And we called them, we came to the conclusion that they were definitely clones made specifically for space travel.
Since man today cannot travel in space.
Now, NASA might object to my book, because I make that statement.
The man cannot travel in space if these clones were made of that.
Of course, somebody's going to come back and say, we spend billions and still man can't travel in space.
Well, it's a fact.
There's nothing I can do about it.
It's true.
And on MIR, when they come off of MIR, they've been up there three months, I have to help them off.
The bone marrow and the muscles are affected.
All of that is true.
And the brain is affected, too.
As a matter of fact, there are some very interesting developments with regard to Mir and other space flights in which the crews have begun to get out of control.
And I think we are not hearing all about Mir right now.
This crew is not in control.
They've been basically told, stop what you're doing, just rest.
We're going to get you out of there and get a new crew up there.
So, obviously, this crew is barely fit to be sitting where they're sitting inside Mir right now.
What you're saying does make sense.
All right, both of you, hold on.
We're at a break point.
It's interesting to contemplate, isn't it?
That even we, when we finally achieve long space flight, may have to create the kind of creatures the colonel says we dissected.
And they may be the ones who may have to fly in space.
Because over a long period of time, we can't.
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Colonel Philippe Corso is my guest.
He wrote The Day After Roswell, probably one of the hottest books in the country right now.
Dr. John Alexander is with us, both of them in Las Vegas.
Thank you for joining us.
Back now to my two guests, Dr. John Alexander and retired Colonel Philip Corso.
Gentlemen, you're back on the air again.
John, where would you think it would be appropriate we take the story now?
We have kind of gone all over.
I think what Phil did from his perspective for research and development.
Maybe I'll add another note if I might.
I have had the opportunity to talk to a number of Phil's contemporaries and the story is very interesting and I've got to tell you it's a paradox.
I'm talking about people who went on to have ranks at three- and four-star general levels, who were colonels at the time.
And I would ask them, you know, the big question is, where does stuff go?
And I'd say, do you have it?
Can you corroborate it?
And they would say, no.
And so I said, then we should not believe Phil Corso.
And they said, oh no, he did really strange stuff.
In other words, they're saying, I don't want to admit to any of this.
I don't want any part of it.
But then you ask about Colonel Corso, and they say, well, yes.
Yeah, they give him very high marks.
And these were contemporaries.
They were guys who were colonels with him.
And as I said, they stayed in and progressed.
And at least one of them took General Trudeau's position two or three It moves down, you know, several years later.
All right, let's try developing, as we did in the last interview, Colonel, because it is very important.
Tell the story about General Trudeau one day delivering to you a file cabinet.
Yes.
Well, he gave me the file cabinet, and he said, Phil, there's some things in there.
I want you to develop a program for utilization and exploitation of these.
Utilization and exploitation.
Listen, applied engineering, that means go out to industry and people are working on this.
You find them, you develop a plan for me.
Alright, here you have a file cabinet full of all this stuff.
Where did he say it came from?
He didn't tell me.
He said it's in there, Phil.
It'll tell you where it came from.
So normally you were working with Soviet stuff, or German stuff, or whatever.
Yeah.
So I would think that at that moment you probably thought that's exactly what was in the cabinet.
Yeah, well I had a three drawer cabinet, a master safe.
And the top drawer was, I used to, General Trudeau used to kid me and say, that's of course a junk drawer.
And UFOs fly in and out of that drawer.
And because when I'd lay these artifacts on the table, they'd look like junk.
So he laughed about that and said, of course, it was a junk pile.
What was in your junk pile, Colonel?
Well, there was a piece of metal, about a piece of postcard, and the atoms were lined in it.
The atoms were aligned in it?
Aligned.
That made it give you terrific strength.
Radiation wouldn't pass through.
And he gave me an instruction.
He said, he told me one day, he said, Phil, I'm going to appoint a special team and you're in charge.
And the general that John just talked about knows about that team, because he was there at the time.
He was a colonel with me.
And that team, he told me this, he said, Phil, this is bigger than Los Alamos.
Space vehicles, light as a feather, can travel space, no radiation can penetrate it, and nothing can harm them.
Because it was paper thin, but the strength was terrific.
He couldn't dent it, we couldn't scratch it or anything.
Of course, and he told me also, if you find anybody is even coming close to this, fund it.
And I had the German scientist work with me on that.
So at that point, you took that and you tried to turn it over to somebody in industry and funded them because you had that power?
Yes, we did.
I had the power to fund it.
And basically said, back engineer this or figure out what it is, figure out how to make it?
Well, a little more lab up at MIT analyzed it.
Well, they did.
Yeah, the Adams were lined up in it.
I wrote them a letter, and I also wrote Walter Reed a letter.
Walter Reed started some interesting discussion there, and my co-author has the letter.
Then I wrote to Livermore, and I asked them the question whether they could supply these.
They said, do you remember the contract to Hot Red that we would send all copies back to you and keep nothing here?
And they were right.
A technical correction, by the way.
A Lincoln Lab.
Oh, that's Lincoln.
You're right, John.
I'm glad you caught that.
That was Lincoln Lab.
Livermore is on California.
So they did that and they reminded me that we made them send all copies back to us to keep nothing in their file.
And we funded after all, so they did that.
Now this is an interesting story, Art.
I had a piece of string.
It looked like string.
String.
The atoms were aligned in it.
It was so tough you couldn't burn it and you couldn't even Cut it.
Was it metallic or was it light string or cord?
Light thread.
Light thread.
Cloth.
It looked like it.
Alright.
The nearest thing in this world that we found that was nearest that was a spider web.
Terrific strength.
You can stretch a spider web for miles.
The spider spins it and aligns the atoms in it.
And you can stretch it five, ten miles before it bends and won't break.
And then it springs back into space.
Now we funded that with Wyoming University.
We made flight jackets out of it, only we couldn't make flight jackets because we couldn't get enough of it.
We tried to get them to clone the spider, and I think to this day they haven't succeeded.
But there's terrific strength in that, in the spiderweb.
Marvelous thing.
Atoms are aligned.
Atoms are aligned.
Dr. Alexander, now with two pieces of material, from this file cabinet that ultimately, I guess, came from Roswell.
Atoms are aligned.
Can you explain that?
Not very easily, actually.
As I understand, what he's talking about is that instead of having a random selection of atoms, that they were able to establish the polarity in such a way that the Strength was greatly increased.
You're right, John.
But they were actually not able to duplicate the metal, is that correct?
Well, we failed in that part.
Failed.
We were never able to do it.
All right.
We invented a small atomic engine that's in the Saturn probes and the Mars probes.
Yes.
It was our little engine that we built with Fort Belvoir.
And we could never harden that, so we couldn't put it in anything Anything that man could travel in it, because we cloned the heart of it, meant to keep the radiation out.
All right, but then all other, some other materials from that filing cabinet, for example this fiber that you're talking about.
Yes.
Actually turned out to be what we now know as fiber optics, is that right?
I had, a fiber optics was, I had a bunch of, it looked like wires, I really didn't know what it was.
Right.
And light was emitted from them, there must have been a power source in it.
And then we sent that, I think, to Monmouth, that worked.
And from that, that was the development of fiber optics.
But in those days, we didn't even know what it was, Art.
So you just sent it over and said, figure it out?
Yes.
We gave it to our labs.
That was our labs.
And once again, they weren't doing this gratis or for an investigation.
You were commissioning them.
You had budget money.
Exactly.
Research and development money that came along with these items you were giving them.
We had a budget then that was tremendous.
It was about $2 billion.
$2 billion?
Now, we also gave out RDT&E contracts, Research Development Test and Evaluation contracts.
The first item that would be built from a research contract, we funded the building to the first one.
Then after that, other people, other agencies funded it.
So we would fund these until it was actually developed.
We had our own laboratories, our atomic labs, and the night viewing labs were our labs at Fort Belvoir.
So what aspect of this were you overseeing?
In other words, once you gave somebody a piece of this technology and a budget, what did you then do?
Well, I was supposed to keep track of it, of how it was coming along.
For example, I went down to the night viewing device lab one day, and I had their budget in my pocket.
And the general told me, go down and see how they're getting along.
And I took one of the German scientists with me and two army engineers.
We looked it over and the commander there told me he had misgivings when he heard I was coming.
I told him, is my reputation that bad?
And then I told him, but in this case it's a little different.
Look at my German friend.
He's smiling.
He usually doesn't smile.
And not only that, but since you're doing such a good job, here's your budget.
And I handed him the envelope I had in my pocket.
And I thought, but there's a history to that.
The war is heating up in Vietnam.
We need this new device for the troops with three to six months.
They did it!
And John knows he had one of the weapons, or one of the range finders.
Well, as a matter of fact, Dr. John Alexander has been, would it be fair to say, Doctor, a developer of non-lethal technologies for years?
Oh, that's correct.
Doctor, can you, in essence, back up any aspect of this regarding night vision?
In other words, can you see a linear development anywhere with regard to night vision, or was it a sudden jump that would tend to back up what Colonel Corso is suggesting?
It's hard to say.
I've got to say, when Phil and I first talked about this and how they went about it, he described a classic black program, in which it folds back in on itself, is almost untraceable.
Because remember what he said, and this is in Phil's words, they found people who were already working the field, so that it would not show up as, here's something totally out of the blue.
So it could look as though it were some sort of natural progression.
Right.
The problem with, you know, if Phil is right, it means that we have to rewrite science.
And you're going to, I mean... We also have to rewrite history.
Well, I'm talking about the history of science, because it means that everything up to Nobel Prizes and people who have been awarded money and patents and all of that, Should not have.
Got some help.
Now, we encouraged industry to take the patents, and I have supported this in a pamphlet written in 1963 by General Britton.
We encouraged them to take the patents as long as they developed it.
Well, the alternative to that would be to tell everybody where it came from, so there was no choice.
Well, we couldn't do that because of climate upheaval.
They would have destroyed our organization, Art.
I'm certain they would have.
At some point, you must have sat down with General Trudeau, and obviously after you realized what you had on your hands in this cabinet, all of this technology, and you must have had a serious conversation with the General about where it came from.
Or did you never do that?
Oh, we did.
Almost every day.
Now, let me tell you another thing, Art, you've got to remember, too.
How some of the developments came from the back door.
In intelligence, you check Also, not actually what has happened, but you check omissions.
Right.
I walked into General one day and I told him, General, I've got something here that's very serious and I've got to let you know and we've got to decide what to do.
I told him, number one, there's no food aboard this fine saucer.
No refrigeration facilities.
There's no water.
There's no toilet facilities.
There are no recreation facilities.
Colonel, I've got to stop you and back up a little bit.
You just said something quite remarkable.
On this flying saucer, does that imply that you had a craft?
Not that we had an army, but I had the reports on the craft.
You had the reports?
Yes.
Alright, were these parts, did these reports come to you along with uh... the filing cabinet full of all they said they were in the top drawer of the filing cabinet.
So you had a full report on the craft they had recovered?
Yes.
Well, as far as I say, as full as it could be in those days from what they saw.
I understand.
So here you had the autopsy reports on the beings, extraterrestrial biological entities, robots virtually, or... Yeah, the Sumerians called them E.G.G.s.
I.G.I.G.I.S.
And then you had a report on the craft itself.
Now, you said there were no facilities, and what you've told me of the extraterrestrial biological entities, it makes sense.
They wouldn't need all that, would they?
No, they wouldn't.
And also, when a general asks me, what do you think is, how do they survive?
Well, I have Tissell's reports.
And Tissell, you know, he was a genius in New York and then went out to New Mexico, he actually set up his generator right up there at Colorado Springs.
And Tesla, in one of his writings, he had that the body itself is an electrical entity, our bodies.
The cells are electrical.
And you can propagate our system by electromagnetism.
And Tesla actually said this.
And I told the General, maybe this is the key General, that they propagate themselves by electromagnetism.
Because we knew that their guidance system was electromagnetic because of the way it affected some of our missiles and other items.
So from those emissions we started what we called irradiated foods.
I told him as we flew down the Quartermaster, that was in Richmond, Virginia.
And they fed us a steak that had been on the shelf for two years.
No refrigeration.
Now, if you radiate the food today, it kills salmonella and chicken, it kills turkey and pork.
Yet we won't put it on the market because of do-gooders and it's harmless.
And the American Science Agency in New York has stated that it's harmless.
Yet the do-gooders won't put it out because it says radiation.
So that's another technology that came from them.
It came through the back door, let's say, because it wasn't there.
Alright, you said the reason you came forward is that General Trudeau said that you could speak after his death, but wouldn't all work at the Foreign Technology Division be covered under the security requirements, other security requirements that you had to sign?
In other words, how were you released, not just from his personal Both, but from those other requirements.
The requirements, mostly on security, were on weapons and things we developed.
And some of the laser developments are still classified.
I didn't talk about those.
So there are things still... I had all the clearances, and from this book, I did not violate any security because we didn't have the stamp on one of these things.
The normal R&D contracts we put out, most of them didn't have the stamps on.
A project horizon was secret, and then it would be classified under the General's authority.
And I did that, too.
And the General told you, near his death, that you could come forward after he died?
He said that.
Why do you think he wouldn't do it while he was still alive, and back your story up?
Well, one day, I was discussing with the General some of these items, and I told him this, General, we have this integrated circuit.
What are we unleashing on the world?
We don't know what this thing will do.
Right.
What if someday, and I point to my head, it integrates with the brain?
Are we going to create some monsters?
And he said, Phil, yes, what you're saying is true.
But let's hope that the people come after us will recognize this and do something about it.
And then he stated this, he said, but maybe not in our lifetime.
Well, it didn't happen in his lifetime.
And even in 82, I happen to still be here.
Why, again, though, do you think the general You didn't want any of this coming out when he was alive?
Because the climate of opinion, and what was going on, even until he died three years ago, and even today, that anybody deals with this is a kook.
In fact, I told the Germans one day, I explained something to them.
So he was worried about ridicule?
Yes.
And also, the skeptics in the Department of the Weakened, the people are from other places than like us.
And we knew what our opposition was, and the CIA didn't like us.
And there would have been a lot of opposition, a lot of smearing, and a lot of good people might have been hurt.
Well, I'm sure that's true.
All right, gentlemen, stand by as the story develops.
My guests are Colonel Philip J. Corso and Dr. John Alexander.
And they will be back, and we have a number of questions for the colonel.
With regard to his now best-selling book, The Day After Roswell, so much of our technology, from night vision, to fiber optics, to irradiated food, came directly, not from our heads, but from theirs.
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we know, everything we think, the history of our technical development and where we
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uh... we're in the middle of a very very important interview and we're about to
get back to it all right back down to my guest both in las vegas uh...
doctor john alexander and colonel philip jay corso
And I've got a fax here that says, hi Art, this is really not complicated.
Colonel Philip Corso is simply telling the truth.
The problem is there are going to be a lot of people that simply can't handle the truth, and they're going to be using a variety of psychological mechanisms, including suppression, denial, rationalization, To avoid dealing with this simple truth.
And the truth is that, Colonel, you had all of this material given to you by General Trudeau, which you then apparently funded.
In other words, you actually began to go to American industry and give them this material, along with budgets, to develop this technology.
And what you're telling us is that the technology we enjoy today, much of it, No, I really don't have a count.
I have about a dozen important items.
So, I don't know really.
came from it alien uh... crash or alien crashes do you know totally uh... how many there were a colonel
no hardly don't have a car i have about
doesn't and important items so i don't know really
at the moment i'd have to go through my notes uh... that i've got the book was
taken from the cnr we could have do you know colonel whether you were the only
one given these alien uh... artifacts or whether others were doing parallel work
I heard rumors that the Air Force was doing parallel work, but we never cross-fertilized because we kept it to ourselves to protect our organization.
You also believe, do you not, that the Germans were doing some parallel?
They were doing it.
Their scientists actually told me this.
And people the caliber of von Braun and Albert.
All right.
You've mentioned the names of several people, Colonel, who were involved over the years.
Frank Coffman, one of the still-living first-hand witnesses.
I met him at Roswell.
I had him as a guest on this program a couple of weeks ago and claimed to have been part of the cleanup team at Roswell.
Can you confirm that Frank Kaufman was involved in the cleanup?
Yes, I met him out there.
I think he was a sergeant.
And he was very happy that I finally came forward.
We had dinner one night at the Roswell, in there.
In Roswell.
So I was introduced to him.
It was the first time I met the man.
He's my age, I think.
And he was very logical and very emphatic about what he saw.
All right, well one of the things he did, Colonel, was dispute your claim that a creature was shot at the crash site.
No, I'm not sure of that, whether it was shot or not.
That, possibly, that I'm not certain of.
So that could be... I think Coffman is right on that.
All right.
I think I was sort of in error in there.
I shouldn't have been in.
All right, since you've written your book, This is a very, very important book.
If you believe it, it changes all of our history, or a great portion of our history, and what we think of ourselves.
Has anybody, senior in government, come to you since the publication of this book and told you to shut your mouth?
No.
No one.
Why do you think that?
When Mitchell, the astronaut, confirmed it, he confirmed that I was a sort of a maverick.
I don't take things that are trying to stop me from talking lightly if anybody would try it.
Nobody's ever tried it.
And again, the things that you're able to talk about, you're able to talk about because they really weren't classified in the normal way.
Well, you can see that the chip, for example, or the integrated circuit, is now known worldwide.
There's no classification.
The super tenacity fibers.
They're known worldwide now.
There's no classification anymore.
Fiber optics.
They've developed tremendously since our day.
Our communication.
There's no classification anymore.
The imaging devices.
We made the first heart pump.
The first heart pump?
We made that.
The Army did.
And that came from this technology as well?
Oh, yes.
For the hydrodynamics.
We had a car at Harry Diamond Laboratory.
A little cart that ran on water.
Same as integrated circuits.
The electricity we put water through and it ran.
And I told Senator Glenn about this.
And he wanted a photograph that I had.
I gave it to him.
And I told him, call Harry Diamond Lab.
They still might have it up there in Delphia, north of Washington, D.C.
Do you retain a photograph of this?
Yeah, I have one.
I gave it to Senator Glenn, the one I had, but I have another one.
And what did Senator Glenn do with it?
I don't know.
I haven't talked to him since I gave it to him.
Well, Dr. Alexander, I can only imagine now, with the book having been out for a while, With the claims the colonel is making, after all, we're talking about some very serious technologies here, that there would be people coming forward and saying, this colonel is out of his mind, we developed so-and-so in our lab, and we didn't get any special materials in order to do that, and I've heard none of that.
Have you, John?
Oh, you hear some, certainly.
And you've got to remember, the way they did it, it makes it untraceable.
By design.
If you remember what Phil said, if you believe the story, that they were handing it to people already working in the field, getting material that in some cases they thought was Soviet, but the technology was beginning to move already.
Our laboratory confirmed that.
They thought we got it from the Russians.
At that time, and I'm just saying what I believe, our technological advances were far ahead of the Soviets, were they not?
Yes, in most areas.
That was not across the board.
There were areas that the Soviets had done some work that exceeded our capabilities.
We were really, one day, I went to the General.
See, I was the first project officer on an anti-missile missile.
And I recommended to Colonel, a friend of mine.
He came to me one day and he said, I feel like I've got something very serious.
The Soviets can take their ICBMs and change trajectory in the air.
That was a very serious thing.
That left us almost without any defenses.
In other words, it is not a ballistic missile in the sense that you fire it and it has a specific trajectory and it goes up and comes right back down.
No, it was an ICBM.
And they acquired this ability before we did?
Yes, the capability of changing trajectory in space.
In fact, we went to General Trudeau and he got alarmed too.
Because that was a very serious thing.
And we went to work on And we developed a countermeasure within a short time.
It had a crash program.
Alright, now that you've come forward, Colonel, with this incredible information, surely there are others, other than General Trudeau, who has now passed on, who could confirm what you're saying.
Lately, I had four officers come up to me in uniform.
In uniform?
Officers.
And?
Two colonels confirmed to me that this was true, they knew about it.
And I looked in, the colonel came, and a test file from B-2 came up to me, in uniform.
In uniform?
Yeah, I don't want to say where it was, because I don't want anybody looking into it.
And they verified this to me, just two, ten days ago.
They're not prepared to come forward, though.
No, and I did get a letter from, and I don't think he's, if I tell his name, he's McDonald's son, a scientist.
And he confirmed to me in a letter he wrote to me before I left home where he sent me this letter, he talked to people, he was on the adjacent committee, and he said that Hughes, North American, and Wright-Patt, people who are confirmed, that finally they said, he filled in some of the holes that we wondered about all our lives.
He just came to me in a letter a few days ago.
John Alexander, Dr. Alexander, with what resources you've had, what aspects of this have you been able to confirm?
Well, what I can confirm revolves around Phil's background.
Alright.
As we mentioned earlier, he had come forward twice.
We actually only mentioned one of the incidents.
You know, kind of the secret war that was going on.
The other was a POW exploitation program that the KGB had run for 50 years.
And that came out last year.
And so he has twice told very unusual tales and turned out to be true.
When I have talked to folks who, as I said, knew him.
They state they cannot confirm the details of this, but state we should not disregard him.
Colonel, can you confirm that reverse engineering was going on at either Area 51 or Area S4, those areas out here in our Nevada desert that you are now very close to?
Well, from the information I had, yes, it was going on.
But I don't have the details.
I never bothered to try to get them.
Because I figured that was a sister service.
They're military.
In fact, General Trudeau went up in front of Congress, and he was testifying, and he recommended and stunned everybody that instead of turning it over to NASA, to turn everything in space over to the Air Force.
And people were stunned when he said that.
And he actually said this in front of the Senate Committee.
So, we didn't bother with them.
They were doing their own work.
We trusted them, and we let them alone.
And we figured that it's best that we stay where we are to ourselves.
All right, to this day, how compartmentalized do you believe it is?
For example, do you think the President and our current National Security Council are now in the loop, or is all of this still off to the side and a government, in effect, within a government that harbors this information?
Well, the government, you know, when you talk about the government, Art, it's a huge organization.
Of course.
And I said in some of my interviews, leave the government alone, it'll cover itself up.
You know, and that's true, that's what happened.
It happened on my POW reports, the missing POWs I sent from Japan.
Kissinger, even, and Scowcroft said that those reports didn't exist, yet they were there, we found them later.
They just, people didn't want to do anything with them.
When you touch UFOs, People run and hide for some reason.
I know.
And I guess it's still going on.
Because I've been attacked, minor attacks, nothing of any consequence.
And even Whitney Sabert, you know, the man who wrote Communion?
Yes.
He told me, he said, Phil, he said some of the, at Roswell, he said that, he said, Phil, some of the attacks are, we're treading on their territory.
That's right, that's how you know you begin to get attacked.
Do you believe, Colonel, that foreign technology, the foreign technology division, may still be involved in seeding this technology into industry?
Because we didn't figure it all out back then.
I really, I can't say.
I'm not clear anymore, and I haven't been in contact for a while.
Other people tell me, like these people in uniform just told me, A week ago is still going on, so I hope it is, because it's important enough to keep on going.
And I think some of these developments... I surprised my son one day because we build airplanes, these Rutan-type airplanes, and a B-2 came over at an air show, and I told him what to do, and he called me, he said, oh no, it can't.
Then he called me up and he said, it came over and it flew like a little airplane.
It held near impossible for a big airplane like that.
That means some of the developments are going into that draft.
It has to be.
Say, Art?
Yes, John?
On FTD, and again, this was an Army, small Army organization, not the one at Wright-Patterson with the Air Force.
One of the things I was able to confirm is that when Phil came to the Pentagon, this unit was created And right after he left, it disappears.
If you follow what I did is go through the phone books for that period in the Pentagon.
So you were able to confirm that division at that time?
At that time, and then it disappears as he retires.
And right after Trudeau left, because remember, he was working directly for Trudeau.
And right after, a few months after General Trudeau retired, that's when Phil Corso retired.
Yeah, I retired six months after he did.
General Beach, he gave me my last decoration, the Army Commendation Medal for what I did with General Trudeau.
But I still stayed in touch with General Trudeau.
And three years ago he died, releasing you from your vows to him.
Yes.
And then what made you decide, Colonel, to write this book?
One of the reasons I decided to write it My grandchildren, the three little boys, asked me one day what I'd do during a war, Granddad.
So I figured I'd better leave them a legacy and put it on paper, because really I never had any intention of writing a book, you know.
That wasn't my area at all.
And I started to write.
And I put it all down, including my Italian experiences and even other investigations that I did in the government.
I started to put those on paper.
I figured at least I'll leave them a legacy for the little boys.
And Samarit evolved into this book, which I never expected to see that.
Colonel, if you had not written this book, you're 82, you're not going to be around forever.
None of us will.
Would we eventually, in your view, know about all of this?
Would there be anybody to come forward, or would eventually all those who can tell the story you're now telling?
Well, I think that most of them are gone, really, now.
Remember, most of the people that were working with me were my age.
They all had been honed in combat.
And that's how we were able to keep the secret.
There was a certain affinity between us.
And I think that we're mostly all gone because a good percentage of them are older than I was.
In fact, in the testimony, when I testified in front of Congress on missing persons of war, I told them, because the families were sitting there, I said that when I met the boys, Pamela and John coming across, they were younger than me, and I'm 82 and I'm still here, and maybe some of them are still alive.
Of course, it was a long shot.
At least it was more for the families.
Sure.
At one time, Barry Goldwater asked General LeMay about seeing the secret room, some secret room at Wright-Patt Air Force Base.
LeMay told Goldwater, actually cussed at him and said, never ask me about it again.
Was Goldwater unknowingly referring to your room?
No, he was referring to Wright-Patterson.
Wright-Patterson.
Where those bodies went and where you presume... I knew Goldwater.
I used to go up to his office and talk to him.
Uh-huh.
In fact, I notified him when his private line had been tapped by CIA.
Did he ever ask you about this technology?
No, he never did.
He didn't know I was involved.
And I never told him.
The only one that knew, really, on Capitol Hill, was Thurman knew, and Eastman knew.
But those were the only two.
And McCormick knew.
McCormick.
I was great friends with John McCormick, the Speaker of the House.
He knew also.
He knew?
Because I went up to MIT with him and gave a lecture.
And the Speaker was a grand old man.
And he was a good friend of mine.
We got along real fine.
So he knew.
I told him about it.
One wonders, and it is reasonable to ask, Colonel, why you are the only one who has come forward this publicly with this information.
It's incredible.
I don't know.
Maybe I don't know any better.
I don't know.
I can't answer that, Art.
All right, Colonel.
Hold on.
We'll be back to you in a moment.
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Colonel Corso, what you have said, what you're saying in your book and here on the air, is so incredible, so fantastic, that you would have to imagine that there would be elements within the government and out of it that are aware of your information, and there must be some kind of battle going on between the people who know about whether it should become public or not.
I mean, this affects all of our recent history, Colonel.
Um, is there a battle going on?
Will there be others?
Are you the last?
What do you think?
No, I've had calls from some of them.
They'll come forward in time, but I can't expose their names without their permission.
Now, also another thing, Art, I really don't think that this is going to cause any panic or anything, because I think from what I saw at Roswell when the families brought their children up to meet me, they're accepting this.
They want to know.
And they're accepting it.
I don't think there is going to be any great explosion or any panic.
I think they are accepting it as a thing of the future and I think it will end up that
way and that is the way I hope it ends up.
This is part of history.
It is written now.
The young ones accept it and mostly I want the young ones to accept it because we won't
be here that long but they will still be around.
I think that is what is going to happen to the book.
It is going to be accepted.
is what they wanted to hear.
They are...
Yes, John?
Can I interject a kind of an administrative thing?
I haven't had a chance to talk.
I might mention, you know, I said that Phil is high energy, and I think we can see that, but he's now in 17 hours today.
I understand.
But that might structure the kinds of questions you want to answer in this segment.
All right.
There's news breaking tonight.
This may seem funny, but it's not.
They have constructed the world's tiniest guitar.
It's about the size of a single blood cell, 20 times thinner than a human hair.
It has six strings that can be plucked, but they are actually too small to be heard.
Is this kind of... Actually, scientists at Cornell University carved the guitar out of crystalline silicon to demonstrate the possibilities of building devices at the microscopic level.
Could this be technology derived from this same group of artifacts, colonel?
It could be because some of the things in there make a little sense, you know, that you just said.
And the first transistor I saw was almost, that was microscopic, there were wires in it that came from the fine saucer.
What happened to all of those materials, the ones that were not turned over to industry, what happened to those materials?
I really don't know.
I left my files there with all my papers when I retired.
I never had any intention of writing any books or doing anything like this.
it was a mine you're a good soldier you didn't take anything you're not supposed to take
are supposed to be the man who stopped people from taking things like that the the the the
the i was one of those and i i couldn't betray the trust of the general had in me and also
i never had any intention of writing any books or doing anything like this and never in my
head in those days well how did you come then to write the book well i'm
Did you struggle with it?
No, not so much.
When I decided to do it after the General died, and my grandchildren asked me what I did during the war, I not only wrote this, but I wrote my experiences in Italy, like I said, and I wrote about other investigations that I worked on, and I wrote all this as a legacy for the children, for my grandchildren.
And then this book here, it started to develop from those writings.
I figured I might as well discuss this too, General Kudos has been involved.
So I started to put it on paper and when I got it all done, actually Simon Schuster already asked me if I'm interested in getting my notes that this book was taken from published.
Because notes are a different type of people who will be looking at that and not people who want to hear the story.
All right, Colonel, I asked you this on Dreamland, but I think it has to be asked again.
On Dateline, I think it was Dateline, at the very end of the interview, you said something that people used to discredit your story.
You said you would tell them sometime about a time machine, or something about a time machine.
Yeah.
Can you clear that up?
Well, I discussed that with Herman Obert, the German.
I think it's in the book.
And that, in time, I think would be clarified.
Because there's other countries working on things of that type.
But at the moment, I think I'll just leave it the way it is.
Those were discussions with Herman Albert at the time.
All right.
If you had items from a crashed UFO in your office, did you at any time consider the possibility that there was potential danger, radiation, whatever else, on handling these materials?
Well, we considered that on the chip and the integrated circuit, like I told you.
that we might be policing something on the world which we didn't understand.
You see, Art, I'm not... I tell a lot of people, don't think that we were so intelligent that we knew what
we were doing all the time.
We didn't know what these things would do and how they would end up.
Even fiber optics, we never knew how that would work.
We didn't even know if it was wires at the time.
Yes, sir.
But gradually it evolved and developed.
All right.
If our military, since 1947, has had the only physical evidence,
or at least some physical evidence, of the existence of alien ETC...
spacecraft, which would be considered certainly a reasonable threat to national security.
Why has the military shown no interest in civilian UFO reports?
Well, there's another thing, Howard.
You'd have to split the military up.
Which part of the military doesn't want to see it and which part does want to see it?
We were the opinion, we were military, we wanted that out.
And we gave it out.
Some of the Air Force people the same way.
Other factions in there don't want to put it out.
Because they're afraid of being labeled coops and so forth.
But I think that gradually, some of the new developments I've seen, I think refer back.
Now that wing, that B-2 flies, there must be something on anti-gravity in there.
When you were given this file cabinet, how long did it take for you to realize what you had on your hands?
about it. If it's classified, I'm not clear of any longer.
I can't go and find out about it. But sometimes I hear from friends of mine, you know.
When you were given this file cabinet, how long did it take for you to realize what you
had on your hands?
Oh, I'd say that I gave General Trudeau the entire plan within a couple of months. That
just started to develop on how we should start to develop them. And then gradually as I looked
at the things and conferred with scientists and other people, I began to see which courses
to take. And I'd recommend those to the General and then a decision would be made. Of course,
the General made all these final decisions. I didn't.
Dr. Alexander, I've asked many questions and if there are any critical questions that you
would like to ask the Colonel, you should.
Well, of course, I've had quite a bit of time to do that before we checked him out.
I guess a couple of things I would say.
One of the questions that comes up is, is this guy crazy?
And we frankly, I don't know if he knows this, but had somebody qualified to do that, interact with him, and came back and said, we may not agree with him, but he's not crazy.
Sometimes I question that myself, John.
When I look back at these things, I have to question that.
What is it like for you now, Colonel?
Are you getting a lot of criticism?
No, very little criticism.
In fact, already some of my debunkers and skeptics have come up to shake hands with me.
So there is very little criticism.
I'll tell you, I had some misgivings on how I received out there.
People meet me in restaurants at the airport.
Right.
Because I've never lived this type of life.
I've always been sort of in the shadows, you know.
Sure.
And I had misgivings.
In fact, I made a statement out there a few times, and Michael Letterman caught this when I told him.
I told him, you know, when I see all this, I figure, what am I doing here?
I should be holding my easy chair.
Because really, I told Simon & Schuster when they wanted me to go on tour.
I don't want to tell you the truth, gentlemen.
I have some misgivings about this.
I've never been in this arena before.
But now I'm thrown in it, and I guess I've got to make the best of it.
To your knowledge, since those early crashes and retrievals and the technology and the bodies and all the rest of it, in the years between then and now, do you have any knowledge of additional crashes?
Yes, I have knowledge of that.
The Germans confirmed it.
Wilbur Smith, a great Canadian genius, confirmed it to me in person, right in the Pentagon.
He came to visit us.
I had a good session with him.
Then the General came back from his meeting, and he told Wilbur Smith, he said, you and the Colonel have a lot to talk about.
I'm going to send him up to your laboratory.
I was supposed to go up to Mayborough, his laboratory in the Lake Ontario area.
Of course, I put it off, put it off.
Then when they did call to go up there, they told me Wilbur Smith in 1962, when I was going up, he had died of cancer.
That was a great loss.
Then the General got a hold, and I told the General that.
He said, sit right down at the table, and you write down everything that you discussed with Mr. Smith, because he's gone now.
Well, Colonel, you're getting up in age, 82.
There are, no doubt, contemporaries of yours out there, probably around the same age.
A lot of them may be listening to you right now.
What do you want them to do?
Well, at the right time, Let them come out because this information should be told to the younger people.
I'd like to see them come out and do like I did.
Tell the young people this.
They're the ones that are going to be around.
We won't be around there.
But let them know what you know.
I know some of these men.
If they're still alive, I think they will do it.
They were tough men.
They were good men.
Your information is so very serious that I would imagine a congressional committee or a Senate hearing would like to sit you down and make this public.
If you were summoned to Washington to tell this story, to get it out in public forum, would you go?
I've appeared in front of six congressional committees.
Public?
I have nothing to hide if they're serious in what they want to do.
Public, Colonel?
Yeah, they were public.
No, one wasn't.
The one that I... that in 1962 was still classified top secret.
That's the one I discussed with Attorney General Robert Kennedy.
No, that's still secret.
But the others are unclassified.
You see, congressional committees a lot of times are not serious with what they're doing.
It's done for publicity.
And I know.
I was on Capitol Hill.
If it's publicity, I won't do it.
If it's to inform the people, yes, I'll be glad to go in front of a congressional committee.
Dr. Alexander, do you think there's any likelihood that in light of this information becoming so public, such a hearing might be held?
I would not be terribly hopeful, frankly, and I've been checking some sources.
I know a number of people on the Hill and staffers and people who work it.
Face it, the political downside for a politician to get actively involved is much higher Well, that might be true, certainly, of UFO reports or people asking questions about lights over Phoenix or all the rest of it, but when you've got somebody the stature of Colonel Corso, with what he has said and where we confirm he has been saying the things he's saying, it seems to me it demands an investigation and that any senator or congressman
Uh, could not be too heavily criticized for wanting to hear from Colonel Corso.
Well, here's the thing, Art, I can explain.
My last testimony was in front of Congressman Dornan's committee on the missing prisoners of war.
Right.
They had a Czech general there.
And the Czech general had been, his life had been threatened three times because he said these experiments come.
And so, Dornan asked me if I would appear and run interference for the general, appear before him and sit alongside of him, Because I would add credibility to the general they were trying to smear, because he was Czechoslovakian.
Yes.
And the man told a true story.
And I confirmed what he said.
It was true, because I knew about those hospitals.
I knew about those experiments.
Now, it took a man like Dornan, who had the nerve to get up there and hold a committee.
And the families were there that day, too.
They were waiting for me outside in the hallway when I came.
Yeah, if there's one thing Dornan has, it's that kind of tenacity.
And so it needs that kind of analysis and somebody that will take it in spite of criticism.
Because it's very simple.
A newspaper reporter will say, well this congressman is getting into a kooky subject.
Alright, some people may be in his area where he gets votes will believe that.
So why should they take the chance?
I wish they would.
But I doubt it.
I know enough on that.
Remember there's a huge political downside.
While Phil says he has not had A lot of overt criticism.
That's because the book, I think, is fairly new and people are not directly threatened.
If you elevate this to congressional hearings, you're now a direct threat.
That's what I was hoping for, John.
Some sort of direct threat to a lie by omission.
I mean, it's about time.
If what the colonel says is true, Well, I'll give you a little example.
I had a file in one of my files.
really has occurred and here's an interesting question for you colonel
if all of the technology that was gleaned from roswell and any other
crashes that have occurred alien technology had not been interwoven
with american industry where would we be
well i'll give you a little example i had a file
in one of my files in the second drawer which was called Project Rainbow.
Yes, sir.
This is Ron Newman's.
You remember John Ron Newman?
Yes.
It was his project on artificial life.
Now, I went through that file two or three times and I always put it away.
When I could have started an operation on that.
Artificial, when you say artificial life, what do you mean?
My computer.
They're starting to work on that now.
You're talking about artificial intelligence.
Artificial intelligence, that's right.
You bet they're working on that.
Artificial intelligence is the wrong word I gave you.
Now, von Neumann, I didn't start that project.
And a lot of people told me, well, it wasn't time because there were no supercomputers then.
Now they can work on that, and they're working on it, artificial intelligence, because a supercomputer is available now, which wasn't available back then.
So I think this is some of the developments that are coming up out of this, that new things can be taken.
Well, that also is interesting because, Dr. Alexander, I'm sure you can confirm, we are beginning to work very seriously now on integration of pilots with our aircraft.
the ufo itself well if that also is interesting because uh... doctor alexander
i'm sure you can confirm we are beginning to work very seriously now
integration pilots with
our aircraft uh...
and they tell us i are on told that there may come a time soon when up pilot will simply
commands for the aircraft Is that ongoing research?
No, Firefox is certainly ongoing.
I think, however, the next step is to take the pilot out of the aircraft.
And have it be completely robotic?
Correct.
What they're calling unmanned aerial vehicles or unoccupied Combat vehicles.
Well, that's really what the superintelligence did.
They took what they were, or their people, out and put a robot or humanoid in there.
Sounds more like a humanoid.
In other words, half machine, half biological entity.
One day I was walking down the hall with General Trudeau and I told him, General, I think that son of mine is a little bit crazy.
He says that engines talk to him.
The General stopped.
He said, don't say that, Phil, because Some people have certain relationships with engine and solid matter which we don't understand yet.
Now this was actually General Trudeau's words to me when I approached him on that subject.
So a racing driver, at times he says he feels like he's part of the car he's driving.
You see these things we don't know too well yet and I think that in the book where I say That the UFO was an electromagnetic thing, and the EB, or the extraterrestrial, was part of that aircraft, or that UFO.
An integral part of it.
It was a propulsion system, an integral part of it.
This is what we're talking about now.
Do you think those bodies are still at Wright-Patterson?
No, because the lab said that they faded very fast.
Their composition, I think, we didn't study it enough, really.
We should have.
And that was partially I blame myself for because I could have carried that on and I didn't do it.
In other words, the disposition of the bodies, that was in your hands, Colonel?
Well, I could have at the time... You could have followed up?
I could have followed it up and done something and made them study more with what they had before the things all deteriorated to the point where we couldn't work on them anymore or look at them.
The Air Force recently, of course, at the 50th anniversary of Roswell, or just prior to it, had a big news conference, and they disclaimed the whole thing once again.
How did you react when you saw that, Colonel?
Well... Sadness?
I can't conceive what they're thinking.
I can't conceive why they're doing that.
It's beyond me.
And like I told Moshe Nisman, I wouldn't criticize the sister service.
I follow them in Korea.
I have a lot of friends in the Air Force, and I won't criticize them.
I told them, please, gentlemen, don't ask me to criticize them.
But their superiors, I can't even conceive why they did something like this.
And I made the statement, if I had done something like that, I think General Trudeau would have thrown me out of the top window of the Pentagon.
I can't understand that, Art.
We are at the top of the hour.
I have more time.
If you can stay, fine.
If you feel like you've got to get to bed, fine.
It's up to you.
I think Phil has a plane in the morning.
Oh.
Well then, Colonel Corso, I want to thank you for being here.
As I told you when you were on Dreamland, you're a very patriotic person.
And you've given us a lot to think about.
Colonel, thank you.
John Alexander, Doctor, thank you.
Art, you might want to hear this.
When I was at... Well, if there's more, you're going to have to hold on a few minutes, alright?
Alright, stand by.
There's one thing I want to tell you.
Alright, fine.
Stand by.
Alright.
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My guests are Dr. John Alexander and Col.
Philip J. Corso, retired.
Back to them in a moment.
Alright, um...
We thought we were done, but Col.
Corso said, gotta tell you about Albuquerque.
Artist turns you.
Oh, me?
I went in the bookstore.
And there were 300 people there.
And they set up a microphone.
I had to talk to them.
And at least a dozen women came up to me and said they had heard your show.
And they said, and Art, well, he sounded happy, real happy and pleased.
I said, well, I'm going to let him know that.
And then another woman came up to me.
She was not in the line.
And she had heard your show.
And she said she was in her sick bed.
And got up out of her sick bed to come over and shake hands with me.
And when she told me she got out of sick bed, she was leaning over and I was sitting down, and I reached up and hugged her.
And she kissed me in the cheek and started to cry.
So I figured it was all worthwhile right there.
Colonel, I understand.
And she heard your show, too.
And they praise you a lot, so I want you to know that.
Colonel, I'm at Albuquerque at the bookstore.
Well, thank you.
Where do you go from here?
I'm going home tomorrow.
Going home.
Sitting in my easy chair for a while.
Well, it's an incredible thing that you have done, sir, for us, for our country, for the history books, and I personally want to thank you.
Well, thanks, and I think you're, you know, we're all part of it, so are you, Art.
And I hope it works out, and I hope we keep making improvements and stay a great country.
Some of the things we did there I haven't told you about that should be done, that they stopped us from doing.
And sometime we'll talk about those, too.
All right, Colonel.
Well, thank you, Art.
Thank you so much, and Dr. Alexander, thank you.
Okay, good night now.
Good night, gentlemen.
There you have it, and I'm going to leave it up to you, ladies and gentlemen, to digest what you have just heard.
Colonel Corso's an 82-year-old man.
We have confirmed, Dr. Alexander has confirmed, and believe me, he has the resources to do that, that the colonel was exactly where he said he was, in the position he said he was in.
And you've heard his story.
What do you think?
We're going to move into open lines now, and I think that after you've heard something like this, reaction is an obvious thing to seek, so we'll seek reaction from you, all of you.
We'll go to open lines.
CNN is confirming the Cunanan body.
Cunanan apparently is dead, having committed suicide on discovery at a houseboat in Miami.
So that story looks like it's just about a wrap and we're never going to hear obviously from him about why he did what he did.
I have a report of a 120 mile per hour microburst of wind just a few hours ago at Minot, North Dakota and I would like some confirmation of that.
So there's lots to talk about and I've got lots more here but I think at this point It's very hard to turn to anything that would seem more urgent, more important, of greater gravity than what you just heard.
And what you just heard, if you listened carefully, was an honorable, simple man, who worked with, acquired and worked with alien artifacts, saw himself, alien bodies, And is saying exactly, in my opinion, what he believes to be true.
And what he saw.
You heard a real witness.
Maybe one of the last available for that period of time.
What do you think?
East of the Rockies, you're on the air, good morning.
Yeah, good morning.
I just want to say first off, I've been listening to you since before you were on KFYI in Phoenix, you were on another radio station, so I pushed back.
Or it's 93 or 92 area.
Yeah, it goes back a ways.
It's a nice show.
I've heard him on Greenland also.
It's a nice show.
It should be repeated, no question.
I put in a request on Saturday night.
I'm sure tomorrow's show will be incredible, with the man in black situation, but this show definitely deserves a Saturday repeat, if not, you know, it needs to be heard.
Well look, as I just said, after the gentleman probably went and hit the pillow, When you heard all of this, how do you react?
Do you believe what you heard?
Oh, I definitely do.
After hearing the Dream Man show, I sent you an email telling you how I feel emotional.
I don't know which emotions they are.
How do you react to something like this?
I don't know.
I know that's what you're asking me now, but my point is that tomorrow's show is going to be incredible because I know they all are.
This deserves a Saturday repeat because everybody has to hear this again and again.
Alright, I'll see to it.
Thank you very much for the call.
You know, maybe it's not fair that I ask you to react, because I'm not sure how to react myself.
What we were just told is that a very great deal of what we utilize now, our current technology, computer technology, fiber optics, night vision, And certain fabrics, much of our current technology has been derived not through our own specific ingenuity, although I suppose you can give credit where credit is due.
They had to figure out what they had in their hands, but this technology came from elsewhere.
And you've got to kind of let that settle in on you a little bit.
Before you can react, so maybe I'm asking for reaction too quickly.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hello, Art.
Hello.
This is Jack from Seattle.
I'll turn up my radio.
Okay, Jack.
Thank you.
That's important to do, have it close by, folks, so you can just turn that sucker off.
Otherwise, it's very confusing.
Yes.
All right, my friend.
Well, I was enjoying your show.
I didn't get a chance to hear it all, but I think you had an actual eyewitness.
To what took place?
Well, we had more than that.
Yes, an eyewitness, of course, but beyond that we have a man who was in position to go to various industries with this technology, give it to them, and give them budgets at the same time to develop it.
I mean, you've either got to accept, I guess, what he said, and sit back and imagine the implications of it all, or figure it's a lie.
And I don't think it's a lie.
Well, I don't think it was either.
I mean, a man of 82 years old, I wouldn't, you know, a person wouldn't think that he would be motivated to lie.
No.
And I just, you know, I'm a little nervous, so you'll have to forgive me.
That's quite alright.
No, listen, in a way I am too, because I don't know how to react to this.
On the one hand, if you believe it, it changes everything that we thought we knew.
But yes, it does.
Ah, or else you've got to believe that it's a total fabrication, and I don't believe that.
And the question becomes, why would we have been kept in the dark?
See, I lived not too far from Roswell as a kid, as a young kid.
A little town in West Texas, which is, I think, 100 miles from Roswell.
And during that period of time, when this took place, they There was a number of reports after the Roswell incident where people were finding these balloons, these weather balloons, in their fields.
That's right.
And everybody, you know, because of the report and the paper, assumed that these were experimental balloons that they had let go somewhere, you know, the government.
But I, in retrospect, I think what they had done is after they After they put up that story about it being a weather balloon, that they released a number of these things so that people would actually see them.
Because I saw one of them myself as a seven-year-old.
And it was just a big weather balloon that kind of deflated and came down into the field.
Well, I appreciate that.
Thank you.
And I guess you can look at it that way.
In other words, you're suggesting That after the initial incident, they began launching balloons on a regular basis as a cover.
That can be imagined.
But again, after listening to Colonel Corso, and by the way, I have a great deal of respect for Dr. Alexander, who has done a very careful investigation of the Colonel's background.
You've got to come to one of two conclusions.
Either you have just heard information that completely changes and rewrites history and what we know of ourselves and our technology and our advancements and our current state of advancement and perhaps what we're even doing now with regard to miniaturization nanotechnology and all the rest of it still being fed From elsewhere.
You either believe that and believe the colonel and his story, or I suppose you could believe he's crazy.
Dr. Alexander suggests that has already been looked at and is certainly not the case, nor does he sound that way.
He sounds like a simple, honest, old soldier who's a patriot And who is telling us the truth.
And if he is, then everything we believe is all wrong.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello there, Art.
Good morning.
Hi, it's Fritz in Phoenix.
How can anybody go to sleep after this session?
It's unbelievable.
I'm so hyper I can't go to sleep.
Anyhow, one thing is for sure.
The Defense Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agencies have been listening tonight.
Oh, I'm sure.
And the cat is out of the bag.
I mean, the ins and out of our intelligence system and the gravity of information that's just coming through, I mean, it's the truth.
There's no other way, like we said, like you said, history in the making.
You've got to believe one thing or the other, Fritz.
Either he's telling the truth, and I believe him to be.
And Art, you're part of history because this is going down and someday people will look back and listen to the programs and say how hard we had to fight to get the information out.
You're doing a fantastic job.
Thank you, Fritz.
By the way, I guess I ought to say, if you want a copy of this program, you can get it by calling 1-800-917-4278.
1-800-917-4278 it would come out to be a three hour program.
By the time they deleted some of the phone difficulties we had in the beginning,
and oh it was a close call I'll tell you.
The colonel was in a hotel room and had a phone that was not serviceable.
Terrible.
And so we had the hotel staff racing up there at the very last moment to replace the phone, which they did, and I want to thank them.
And I will let you know at some future point what hotel that was.
I don't want to give it away tonight because he's there.
But it was close, so when you delete the phone difficulties and the commercial content, it's going to come out to be a three-hour program that probably should be archived by everybody.
The number again, beginning now, I guess, is 1-800-917-4278.
1-800-917-4278 1-800-917-4278
1-800-917-4278.
On my international line, you're on the air.
It's Joe here.
Joe here from Western Australia.
Ah, Western Australia.
Yes, sir.
Yeah, I'm ringing up, but you've got Major Danes on tonight, haven't you?
No, I do not.
I had Colonel Corso on tonight, along with Dr. John Alexander.
Oh, right.
Well, you've got to forgive me.
I'm actually ringing from somewhere I don't have access to.
Mine, I don't have access to a radio until I can't receive the Interesting you should mention Ed Dames though because I've got a fax in front of me from Major Ed Dames and Colonel Corso an eyewitness to the alien bodies and to the alien technology said on this program this evening that the bodies of these aliens deteriorated very rapidly and Ed Dames who has commented in the past on Roswell
Uh, just faxed me and said the bodies are deteriorated, in quotes, to the point where they disappeared.
And Ed Dames has said in the past that he believes that Roswell was in effect covered up, um, with time travel.
Yeah, but, you know, I find it quite interesting, actually.
It's a bit, um, a bit scary there, isn't it?
Uh, interesting and scary.
Yes, I think that's about right.
Is there anything else we can do for you?
Um, yeah, basically I was ringing up because I saw the, um, photo on your website.
Oh, which one?
The, um, the alien.
And I've actually seen an alien like that, but it was actually in a dream and I saw it before the actual photo ended up on the website.
Well, if I were you, um, I would Seek out a clinical hypnotist and try and find out whether you actually dreamt that or whether perhaps you had an experience that can only be accounted for through regressive hypnosis, sir.
Thank you.
That's from Western Australia, and I guess I had to give that number out.
I always forget to do it, don't I?
You can reach us internationally, toll-free.
The number is 800-893.
0-9-0-3.
That's 800-893-0903.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Yes, Art.
K-R-N-9-2-0, Arkansas.
Yes, sir.
Didn't Philip Corso say John McClellan was one of the senators?
Uh, didn't he what?
John McClellan of Arkansas was one of the senators.
Uh, he mentioned him, yes.
I thought he did, and he later said John McCormick.
But John McClellan was on the Un-American Committee.
Yes, Un-American Activities.
Right, and I think one of the emotions might be anger.
You know, we got some of the things.
How many things were kept secret?
How many still are kept secret?
I don't know.
What I do know, though, is that I believe Colonel Corso.
Yes, I do, too, because John McClellan, that's him for me, because when Jimmy Carter ran He actually apologized to the Arkansas people for having to vote for him.
For party loyalty.
Well, Jimmy Carter made some other apologies too, thank you.
Jimmy Carter, I believe, was well aware of much of what the colonel just said tonight, and more, no doubt more.
And Jimmy Carter, as you know, when he ran for office, said that he would reveal to the American public As a campaign promise.
What he found out about extraterrestrial life.
About UFOs.
He saw one himself.
And I am not ever going to forget a call I got from a listener which I regarded as absolutely genuine not long ago.
In which a caller said he had gone to a book signing of Jimmy Carter's.
And Jimmy Carter, and I can relate this fairly accurately, I believe, Jimmy Carter was sitting there as you do when you're at a book signing, hours on end, kind of not looking up or hardly making eye contact with whoever is in front of you because you're signing one after another after another.
And that's what Jimmy Carter was doing, signing very quickly.
But my caller took the time to Make eye contact with Jimmy Carter.
Caused him to make eye contact and asked him specifically about his campaign promise.
And Jimmy Carter, according to the caller, stopped cold and tears formed in his eyes.
And he never really said anything about it.
And that was the end of the encounter.
But that says a lot, doesn't it?
Because Whatever you may or may not think, or I may or may not think, of the effectiveness of Jimmy Carter as president, one thing he was, was an honest man.
Still is.
An honest man.
And what is it they could have told Jimmy Carter that would have prevented him from keeping his campaign promise?
What single thing could have been so profound that to this very day Jimmy Carter has such an internal struggle because he's such an honest man, and he is no matter what else you think of him, that it would bring him to tears to not be able to tell the truth.
That's worth a little thought.
What could be so profound that you could tell a president that would cause him to break that promise?
I don't know.
I've been thinking about that one for a long time.
Anyway, reaction to the interview with Colonel Philip Corso, his book, The Day After Roswell, probably should have been titled, The Years After Roswell.
Because if you believe it, and I don't see how you cannot, then all of history, recent modern technological history, has got to be re-written.
And the lies, oh my!
Lies.
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Good morning, everybody.
Well, we'll be in open lines from now through the end of the program.
And you heard from Colonel Corso tonight, and I'm seeking reaction, and I'm sure I'm going to get it.
i've got a very interesting facts here and we will explore it
in a moment All right, listen to this.
Dear Art, you once said that no one has shown any evidence yet to prove the alien autopsy film to be fake.
Tonight, your guest said that the recovered bodies from the Roswell crash had no sex organs.
The autopsy film clearly showed female genitalia.
So, which is true?
One has to be a hoax.
Barry in Arizona.
Well, Barry, I would observe the following.
If you listen to the colonel carefully, he suggested, number one, not only was there no sex organs, But there was no eyes, there was no mouth, there was very little relationship in what he described to what was shown in the alien autopsy.
However, to take your point, in what I saw in the alien autopsy, there was no sex.
I think that what you did see in the alien autopsy, I did not clearly show a female sex organ.
It showed a lack of anything, or at least that's my recollection.
It showed a lack of really anything.
So again, that's my recollection, but beyond question, what the colonel described and what was in the alien autopsy are clearly entirely different things.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air, hello.
Hi Art, this is Donna from Anchorage.
I just want to make one quick comment about tonight's show.
Sure.
I found it very interesting and not sure how to react to the whole situation of what we heard tonight on the radio, but I think it's a good idea too that if you could get a tape of the show to your friend who does the reverse beat stuff, that might be interesting to listen to also.
I would imagine that could be arranged.
Yeah, I think.
And I would bet you, I would be willing to bet you a substantial amount of money that you would find the Colonel was congruent.
Oh, I would probably say so, but I would think it would be very, very interesting to hear what has to be said in the reverse speech.
I mean, I've thought of this a million different ways.
What possible reason would an 82-year-old man who hobnobbed with presidents, was in the exact position he said he was in, Doing exactly what he said he was doing.
Why would such a man concoct a great fish story like this?
I don't buy it.
I don't think it's even feasible that he would even think about concocting the story.
It's a pretty amazing thing to have heard and to think about.
Yes, and so if you believe it, then our history is a lie.
Very true.
Very true.
But your suggestion is a valuable one and I will pursue it.
Thank you, Art.
We love your show.
Thank you.
Take care.
Why not?
And I'll bet you, I'll bet you anything it comes out congruent.
Anybody want to lay a little bet on that one?
I guess we're not supposed to do that kind of thing, huh?
But I bet all the time on things.
I've got a couple of bets going right now that I really can't tell you about.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello there.
Hi.
Hi.
I have a question.
Good.
Where are you?
I'm in Phoenix, Arizona.
Phoenix, all right.
What is your first name?
I'm Matt.
All right.
Is your radio off?
No.
Turn it off.
All right.
It's going to be very confusing for you otherwise.
Okay, there we go.
Okay, go ahead.
All right.
I just had a question.
I'm here in Phoenix, as I said.
Your guest, Richard Hoagland, Yes.
You said something was supposed to happen.
Between the 20th and the 26th.
Yeah.
Richard Hoagland will be here Friday night, Saturday morning, the 26th.
Okay.
Well, I'm just sitting here looking at the sky and I don't see anything.
Well, keep your eyes on the sky and maybe when you're looking at the sky it's something that will occur elsewhere, so don't be too confident you're looking in the right direction.
All right.
All right.
Thank you for the call.
Richard is going to be here Friday night, Saturday morning, and tomorrow night.
Tomorrow night, I think you're going to find to be fascinating.
Tomorrow night, we're going to discuss a very, very unusual topic that I have never heard discussed on the radio for real.
My guest is Jim Keith tomorrow night.
He wrote a book called Casebook, Men in Black, a casebook.
actual cases of the men in black in my mind I think that I probably placed the men in black business pretty much with the black helicopter business however it is reasonable to conclude if you believe what the colonel had to say over the last several hours and I do that on occasions when evidence manifested itself that would have blown all this wide open those who would keep it secret would send their agents to confiscate or discredit witnesses and those would be what we know as the men in black so if what Colonel Corso said is true then the men in black
May be true, or perhaps there is a germ of truth that has grown into a myth that we now know as the Men in Black.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Yes.
I had a comment about tonight's show.
Okay.
I didn't hear all of it, but I'd heard the previous interview on Dreamland with Colonel Corso.
Right, which was essentially, it was a little different than tonight, but essentially the same information.
Yes, and I haven't read the book.
I'd be very interested in doing so, but I've got to say, first, I'm a big fan of your show, but I'm very skeptical about this, and I think that people shouldn't get too excited too quickly.
There are a number of things that concern me here.
Firstly, if you think about the technology involved in fiber optics, integrated circuits and such, most of this was a logical extension of existing technology.
Well, you're going to have to lay down some foundation for that one, because I don't see it.
Well, just as the transistor represented early experimentation with solid-state technology, that was an extension of vacuum tubes and such, the integrated circuit... Wait a minute.
One at a time here, alright?
Alright.
A transistor is not a logical extension of a vacuum tube.
In the sense that both involve amplification.
It is.
Obviously one involves solid state and the other is a completely different form of technology.
But what I'm really alluding to is the advance of technology over time, the progression of technology over time.
And I think that when Corso's book first came out, didn't somebody look at and actually interview some of the major companies that held patents?
Did you not hear Colonel Corso say that they were encouraged to file patents on this technology that was developed with budget money that he supplied?
I find that interesting, too, because I have worked on a number of major government research programs.
I'm familiar with government contracts, and a couple of them were so-called black programs, classified programs.
And that would be a very unusual way to proceed.
In fact, the government normally would only provide that kind of data in the course of a government contract, a contract for the development of some product or some technology.
That's exactly what he said he did.
Well, again, you have to forgive me.
I didn't hear all of the show earlier, and I may have missed that part of it.
But normally, very recently, the government would retain patent rights for itself.
And not grant those kind of rights to the contractor.
Now, this may have been a very unusual case, but I also don't know here what criteria the government used.
Okay.
Well, first of all, you're quite correct.
You missed all of that foundation that was laid at the beginning of the program.
So, where are you located?
Glendale, California.
Glendale.
Alright.
I'm not sure if you get the repeat Saturday night in Glendale on KABC.
You might not.
I don't think we do.
So, you might have missed it.
And you might be out of luck because we laid all of that foundation at the beginning of the program.
I appreciate your call, sir, but I disagree with you.
That it was a natural progression from vacuum tube technology to solid state.
There's no natural progression there at all.
Yes, both devices produce amplification.
But the method, there is no natural progression you could cite.
uh... with regard to the methods and as far as fiber optics is concerned uh... that that technology uh... offers us more than we can even contemplate today as it's laid out so no i By what the Colonel had to say.
What about you?
First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Thank you very much for taking my phone call, Art.
My name is Pat from San Pedro, which is in the Southern California area.
Yes, sir.
Art, earlier you asked your guest, the Lieutenant, whether or not Congress should have a... Lieutenant Colonel.
Excuse me, Lieutenant Colonel, should have an open, somewhat of a public hearing on the Yes.
I think it was very wise of you.
What I would like to do as one of your many millions of listeners is ask you to possibly have maybe your, sorry I forgot his name, the reversal person?
David Oates.
David Oates to do some reversals on what he's been saying.
That way we can start from the beginning, which would be with the Art Bell Show, have the reversals done and then we can confirm The kernels?
The sayings?
Can we not do that, Art?
Yes, and I told a caller from Anchorage, Alaska a few minutes ago that we will do that.
That's beautiful.
Now, excuse me for not hearing that.
And if I may ask one more question, John Alexander was talking about how he's been developing or is involved in a non-lethal Weapons technology.
What is that?
What kind of non-lethal weapons are we talking about?
Squirt guns?
I mean, what is it that he's involved in?
What type of non-lethal... I mean, when you talk about war... That would take a show to do with John Alexander, which, by the way, I have done, and we will do another.
It would take too much time right now.
But weapons, sir, when they're talking about non-lethal weapons, and you're talking about war, It is more desirable to, for example, take your enemy to cripple your enemy, to hurt your enemy, as opposed to killing.
Now, if you and I are having a war and I've got a hundred guys and you've got a hundred guys, and we're shooting at each other, I'm better off wounding one of your guys, because when I do, it's going to take one or two more of your guys to take him behind the lines and In other words, you take out not just one, but two or three.
Yeah, I hear what you're saying, Art, but I've heard so many other times also that there's no rules to war, and you just go in and just annihilate them.
Well, since when, sir?
Since when?
Well, since the Second World War, since we dropped the atomic bomb, maybe.
But Vietnam?
Did we go in that war to win it?
We could have won it.
Did we though?
No.
Unfortunately not.
You know why?
Go back to Korea.
Did we?
We could have won that war.
We had the bomb.
We could have dropped it.
Did we?
You know the reason why we didn't win those wars?
Because we didn't have the will.
And why didn't we have the will?
You tell me.
I think it's because we didn't know what we were fighting about and there really wasn't any particular direction to go into.
It was a governmental Well, you gave me a definition of what war was, and I gave you two wars that were not that at all.
So, thank you very much for the call.
If you're asking about why develop non-lethal technology, why develop non-lethal weapons, I gave you the answer.
By the very nature of modern warfare, Uh, is not as you suggested.
In a perfect world, it would be.
In other words, once you're going to, uh, literally go to war with another country, and you are going to commit the lives, the flesh, the blood of your countrymen, uh, you don't fight a partial war.
Uh, I know about that, I know about Vietnam, and I'll tell you something, if I could have put my hands around Lyndon Johnson's neck, I would have strangled him, Until there was no life left.
That man committed hundreds of thousands of Americans to a war which he fought in a half-assed way from the White House.
And he didn't know what he was doing.
And he was killing people.
I have a lot of very strong feelings about that, so if you want to talk about the nature of war, we can do that.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello, Art Bell?
Turn your radio off.
Yeah, I am.
Okay.
Turn it off, please.
I'm going to have to leave the line if you don't turn it off.
I'm blind.
Alright, goodbye.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi, I'm calling from New Brunswick, Canada.
I'd just like to make a comment about tonight's information from the Colonel there.
I think the information, if the governments choose to give it out, would more or less unite everybody to do a common cause, if you understand what I'm getting at.
And that common cause would be?
Humanity itself would not be alone out there.
We could unite ourselves for the one common goal of reaching out into the stars.
You know what I'm saying?
Well, according to the colonel, these are not necessarily our friends.
Well, that's true, but that would unite us against one common enemy then.
So I'm thinking if... Well, one reason we might not know about it is if our government is, as the colonel suggests, fully aware.
And they have no control.
They still haven't figured out all of the technology.
Yeah.
And they can't control what flies in our skies.
Then they're not going to admit it's there.
Yeah.
Because they can't do a damn thing about it.
Yeah.
So I think then the government's going... I think that they're going at a wrong angle.
I think that if they told us we'd all be much happier and more stable because we'd have A common foe to unite against.
You were talking about World War II, where all of us, all allies, went against a common foe, when for a while they were all united, even with Russia.
How old are you?
I am 20 years old.
Funny.
So you really don't remember a lot of the Reagan administration, do you?
No.
There were many times when Ronald Reagan made reference to exactly what you're suggesting.
He said, if there are others, Then we would unite as a world to fight them.
Ronald Reagan said that again and again and again at least four or five times during his presidency.
Okay.
Why would you think he'd say something like that?
I really don't know.
I guess to prepare ourselves.
I'm not exactly sure why he would say that.
Well, maybe he knew something that he wanted us to think about.
Oh, I think Mr. Reagan knew a lot more than he probably told us about a lot of things, too.
You bet.
If any president knew, sir, I think probably President Reagan would have known.
I want to read you something very quickly.
This is from Tim Cannon, who is the president of the Art Bell Chat Clubs that are growing up all over the place.
Art.
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I, however, am not.
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They are working with each other and with me To make sure things are handled, the new Chat Club voicemail number is... Do you have your pencils, folks?
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I'll give that again.
And he signs it, as always, thanks for your time, Tim Cannon, Art Bell Chat Club President.
Uh, so, Tim, uh, is down.
Not down for the count, but down.
I'm so sorry to hear it, Tim.
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One more time, because this is important.
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