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July 17, 1997 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Robert Anton Wilson - Encyclopedia of Conspiracies - Ed Dames - Remote Viewing Training
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Great to be here.
Coming up this evening for a while is somebody that so many of you have requested that I have on.
His name is Robert Anton Wilson.
Robert Anton Wilson is an author, has written 31 books, including his soon-to-be-released Encyclopedia of Conspiracies.
He's written books on the Illuminati, the New Inquisition.
He's written books on scientific theories, rejected by the establishment.
He has examined That which runs around as, I don't know, something between myth and reality and rumor and... It should be an interesting evening, to say the least.
And there are lots and lots of endless topics that we could discuss in this arena.
And so that, my friend, is what's coming up in a moment.
Otherwise, I want to remind you that we have some very, very interesting crop circle photographs on the on the web for you to see and if you have not yet seen them I would suggest you go on up there and once again anybody out there who's got and by the way if we don't yet have it there is a crop circle in Oregon shown on CNN earlier in the day that is I think of particular significance and a notch up from the one in Oregon that we have exclusive photographs of so
I would love to get any photographs that anybody has, original photographs, aerial photographs, and we're beginning to collect them ourselves.
Now, does it make sense to you, it certainly will, if one of these conspiracies that we are probably about to discuss, and oh, there's some wild ones going around right now on the internet, I'll tell you, should come true, All right, now comes Robert Anton Wilson.
Robert, welcome to the show.
Nice to be on your show, Alex.
Glad to have you.
Over the months, and even the last couple of years, Robert, everybody kept emailing me and sending me messages and faxes saying, you've got to have Robert Anton Wilson on.
And so finally, somebody gave me a phone number, and I got in contact with you, and here you are.
Tell us a little bit about yourself.
31 books.
That's a bunch.
Who are you and what's your background?
Well, back in the 60s I was associate editor of Playboy for about five and a half years.
Then I started writing full-time.
My first major work was Illuminatus, written in collaboration with Robert Shea.
Illuminatus was a three-volume comic.
I have some opinions about it, but I'm not sure about some of the details.
I think it's a good thing that you're not going to be able to do it.
I have some opinions about it, but I'm not sure about some of the details.
You wrote the book, so you grabbed some of it from mythology and rumor and conspiracy theory and all the rest
of it, and just sort of wove it into some of what you knew to be
true.
Is that about it?
Well, I was working for Playboy, as I said, and the Playboy Foundation, you know, deals with civil liberties cases.
Oh, yes.
And we were getting all sorts of letters from people who claimed the government was conspiring against them.
Those that seemed reasonable were forwarded to the foundation and sometimes they got some
aid and legal counsel and so on.
The ones that sounded really crazy I collected as interesting items of American folklore
and gradually it dawned on Bob Shea and me that if we put all the crazy theories together
you would have a really fantastic novel.
So that's how we got to write that.
It's very hard to say which theories are really crazy because some of the craziest ones turn
out to be the most plausible.
Yeah, I know.
That's what I've found, too.
People tell me things on the air, and I turn my nose up at it, and two days later it turns out to be true.
I have egg in my face.
What the hell is the Illuminati?
Well, it's all sorts of things.
In 1776, Adam Weisshaupt, a former Jesuit, Founded a secret society called the Illuminati within various Freemasonic lodges in Europe.
Some people think that was the beginning of it, but some who have studied the subject at great length think that was only the revival.
They have traced the Illuminati all the way back through history to ancient Egypt and back to Atlantis.
But whether Whitehouse started it or revived it, He had a secret society within a secret society, because Freemasonry is already a secret society.
So when you've got a secret society within a secret society, you've got a pretty good mystery there.
There have been many, many theories about what the Illuminati was up to.
Thomas Jefferson called himself an enthusiastic philanthropist.
A lot of people have regarded him as the founder of communism, even before Karl Marx.
Some think he was an atheist, some think he was a magician or a mystic, some think he was a fascist, some think he was trying to found a democratic society in Europe just like the one we founded in this country at around the same time.
Whatever he was up to, he managed to create enough confusion that everybody can make up their own theory about him.
The Illuminati was banned by the Bavarian government in 1786.
And then, according to most respectable historians, it ceased to exist.
According to a lot of others who are not so respectable, but more interesting, it has continued underground under a variety of different names.
Well, this still does not tell me, though, what they're all about.
I mean, are they some sort of string pullers behind governments, or what is the theory?
Well, there's not one theory, there's a variety of theories about them.
One theory is that they are black magicians, Satanists, monsters, they're serving the devil.
Another theory is that they are conspirators and want to take over the world and they're working in cahoots with the international bankers and they produced all the wars and revolutions and ups and downs of the last 200 years as part of a big plan to form one world government with themselves at the head of it.
Another theory is they were mystics working to liberate the human mind from superstition and ignorance.
Well, how do they do that when they're part of that themselves?
Well, that's the thing.
Jemison said if they were in America, they wouldn't have had to be a secret society.
But in Europe, the only way they could preach democracy was in a very secretive and underground way.
Jemison thought they were Democrats.
You see, there's a wide variety of opinions about it.
All right, you and I share a recent event.
Where these things spread most readily is this wonderful place known as the Internet.
And I love it.
We have a big presence on the Internet.
As a matter of fact, a big website.
But I was sick, Robert, for about three days.
This was months ago.
And somebody out there decided to write my obituary and put it on the Internet.
By the second day, I mean, I just had the flu.
That's why I had the flu.
I was taking a few days off.
I was pretty sick.
And I began to get calls from affiliate radio stations all over the country, as far away as the Virgin Islands, saying, oh my God, Art's dead.
And they wrote a very reasonable sounding obit for me.
You know, who survives me, what I had done, my background, that sort of thing.
And I was dead.
Man, I was dead.
I'm telling you, once, I spent half the time groggily on the phone, because I was sick, trying to assure my affiliates that I am not dead.
And I think that happened to you, didn't it?
Yes, a couple of years ago, I think it was 1992, somebody put a fake story out on the internet.
It was supposed to be from the Los Angeles Times.
And it said I was found dead of a heart attack.
It got my age wrong and the number of children wrong, but it did get the number of books
right.
As soon as I started denying it, the Internet being a lively place, then more Eldritch theories
came forth.
There were claims that the CIA had killed me and I was replaced by an android that imitated
So people who said they saw me giving lectures in various places had been deceived.
It wasn't the real me.
It was a very clever imitation.
Well, what else are they to say when you make an appearance?
Well, you know, they may be right.
You know, Phil Dick was a great science fiction writer and a friend of mine.
He pointed out a perfect android to replace somebody who would think they were that somebody.
Because they have all the memories and all the same impulses and intellectual activities of the person they were replacing.
The really sad thing is we're getting enough technology to where that actually, soon, if not now, may be possible.
Well, there was a chap back in the 80s, I don't know if he's still doing it, still putting it out, he used to have a conspiracy newsletter, a fella named Peter Beater, of all things, and he claimed the Soviet Union was still the number one enemy in those days.
They were killing American politicians one by one and replacing them with androids.
And all I can say about that is that if my name was Peter Beter, I'd probably be a little weird by the time I got out of high school.
Well, as I look at the political scene today, I'm not sure I might not grasp onto that one, glom onto that one myself.
Well, like I said, I can't prove I'm not an android either.
Your background is kind of interesting.
You work for Playboy.
Did you know Larry Flint?
I only met Larry Flint once, and I can't say anything about him.
It was a very short meeting.
I didn't see much of you, Hefner, either, when I was working for him.
Is that right?
I saw the movie on Larry Flint here recently, and I thought it was quite good, really.
I thought it was an excellent movie, and I'm glad it got at least one Academy Award.
It got a couple of nominations.
I think he's the great hero of free speech.
He managed to offend everybody, including me.
That's right.
I think that's a marvelous achievement, to offend so many people and to get upheld by the Supreme Court.
Well, Bob Guccione's publication presently would like to interview me, and Hustler is Bob Guccione, so I thought about it and I said, I'll tell you what, you tell Bob Guccione He comes on my program and does an interview for me, and I'll let you interview me.
So we're going to trade.
We'll see if we're good to trade.
I'd love to have Bob on.
Talk about it.
How do you come down on the whole First Amendment thing as it relates to, say, something like Hustler, a notch deeper than Playboy or two?
Well, I'm very much in favor of the First Amendment.
I think it's one of the best parts of the Constitution, and I hate to see anybody monkeying around with it.
I agree with the late Justice Black, who said that the Founding Fathers, as judged by the Constitution and by their diaries, letters, and other public documents, were all very careful and eloquent masters of the English language.
And when they wrote, we should have no laws abridging freedom of speech or of the press, they meant no laws.
If they had meant some laws, they would have written some laws, but they wrote no laws.
I agree with Hugo Black.
He was a simple farm boy, he said.
That was his problem.
I don't know what my problem is, but like Justice Black, to me, no laws means no laws.
No, that's exactly the position Larry Flint took.
It's just that he made some... he irritated so many people along the way.
Well, we owe most of our civil liberties to people who are very irritating.
Yeah, that's fact, isn't it?
Would you count yourself in that group?
Well, I seem to have irritated quite a few people in the course of my career.
What have you done that generally has most irritated people, do you think?
Well, in the new inquisition I pointed out that some of the behavior of some of the scientific
community is not unlike the behavior of the Catholic Church in the Renaissance and the
way they try to get rid of theories they don't like.
I've irritated a lot of people in the scientific community.
I've irritated a lot of feminists pointing out that most of the things they write about
men, if you just take out the word man and put in the word Joe, it sounds exactly like
Adolf Hitler and Mein Kampf.
And I've irritated a lot of feminists.
I've never been able to embrace blind faith myself, and it does.
that the blind faith could be wrong.
You've got 150 blind faiths to choose from.
It's better to try to figure things out rationally, I think.
You see, I am a very irritating person for a lot of people.
I can see how that would irritate a lot of people.
I've never been able to embrace blind faith myself, and it does.
It brings forth people who get very angry with you.
I like to be able to put my hand on something and or prove it scientifically before I embrace
it.
Religion certainly falls into that category.
But the moment you say something like that, why you offend probably about 30 or 40% of
the population.
I don't know anymore.
If you ever offend anybody, what's the point of writing?
actually I take that same view with regard to broadcasting And it constantly gets me in trouble, but I ignore it and plow forward, and I guess you do, too.
You've looked in all kinds of things, like extrasensory perception, things that... Now, there's something, ESP, or UFOs, or many of the things I talk about on this program that the mainstream scientific community, in concert with mainstream media, snickers at, at the least, and Well, what I have found is that among controversial scientific theories, there's a lot more evidence for them than you generally find out from the establishment, the scientific establishment or the media establishment.
For instance, ESP.
There's been research on that for over a hundred years at over, I guess, around a thousand universities by now all over the world.
There's mountains and mountains of evidence.
I was giving a lecture at the Dublin Science Fiction Society in Ireland and somebody asked in the question period, do you believe in UFOs?
And I said, sure.
They burst out with a long explanation of how they were all hidden versions.
I said, well, we both believe in UFOs.
You think you know what they are, and I admit I don't know.
I give much the same answer.
Of course, there are UFOs, things we can't identify.
Well, there are UFOs, too.
That's unidentified, un-foes, unidentified, non-flying objects.
Half the things that go by my house go by so fast, I don't know what they are.
Yeah, that's right.
All right, well, what about, let's take the big one.
Mainstream science says that everything began, Robert, when there was this little dot of matter which exploded in this Big Bang Theory that created everything.
And all is flying away from that center explosion.
Do you embrace that or argue with it?
Well, it's not a matter of embracing it or arguing with it.
There are several variations on that.
George Gamow had a theory that it expands to a certain point and then contracts down and then we got another big bang and it expands again.
It's sort of like an accordion going on and on forever.
That's a nice variation.
And then there's the super string theory in which you have a ten-dimensional universe which split into a six-dimensional universe which has been shrinking ever since and the four-dimensional one we know which has been expanding ever since.
And I think these are all interesting speculations, but they're pretty far from the level of anything we can prove.
This is more the philosophy of science than actual science itself.
I think when you get down to engineering, you're dealing with something real, and the thing falls apart and blows up on you.
When you're dealing with cosmology, there's no real way of checking the theories in a strict way.
It's just which ones are fashionable at a given time.
So in other words, until we actually see things beginning to come closer to us, and rather than redshift, we get a different color one night, then we'll know.
Otherwise, it's all just theory.
Is that about right?
Well, David Bohm, one of the great physicists, Maybe the laws of the universe are changing.
Maybe we haven't been studying them long enough to notice it, but they may be different 300 years from now than they've been for the last 300 years.
Very good.
Hold tight.
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...discordian.
Ha ha ha.
And if I got my, uh, Flint and Guccione's mixed up, of course it was Flint for Hustler and Guccione for Penthouse, and Mr. Guccione's magazine would like to interview me, and I said, fine, let me interview him.
We'll trade interviews.
Be interesting.
People out on the edge, they're always interesting.
Robert Anton Wilson is definitely one of those.
We'll get back to him in a moment.
Back now to Robert Anton Wilson.
Robert?
Hi there.
Hi.
What is Discordia, Robert?
Well, Discordia is the Roman name for the Greek goddess Ares, who is the goddess of chaos, discord, confusion, bureaucracy, and international relations.
In other words, present American domestic and foreign policy.
Yes, I am a Discordian Pope.
There are about 10 million Discordian Popes now.
We set out in the late 60s to make every man, woman, and child on the planet a Pope, and we're still working on it.
And I'd like to take one giant step forward since you've got a very huge audience.
I now appoint everybody listening in, they are all Discordian Popes now.
Wow.
Spectacles, testicles, brandy, cigars.
They're all folks.
Well, thank you.
There's also a fellow out there somewhere who's just dubbed himself Master of the Universe, and I believe that he's selling plots on Mars and cleaning up quite well.
Well, you know, the face on Mars is actually a Discordian saint.
It's Moses Horowitz.
He's one of the great Discordian saints.
His birthday was the centennial.
It was just last month, June 19th.
June 19th.
He's better known as Moe Howard.
That was his stage name.
I know Moe.
Yeah, well, he's at his Gordian Saint, and we believe the face on Mars is Moe Howard.
He's been a major influence on two planets now.
It's as good a guess as anybody else's.
Listen, there is something happening right now coming back to the Internet.
Let me read you a Reuters story.
This one is apparently valid.
It says, police were put on heightened state of security Wednesday after city officials in Atlanta received an FBI warning of threats to the municipal water systems in Atlanta and other U.S.
cities, according to the mayor there.
Now they're saying they have no reason to believe there might be any validity, but this is now something that's been running around on the Internet.
Threats of plague, threats of uh... plague being carried in body cavities from from iran or iraq uh... in the u.s.
cities and threats of water supplies my gosh i've got atlanta dallas tampa uh... kansas city all kinds of places mentioned here in rumors and now this mainstream reuters story somehow all of this has all of this discordant information that has Amassed itself into the mainstream media, and I've got a Reuters news story here.
Could there be anything to all of this?
What do you know?
Well, I know that some people from that part of the world were convicted of blowing up parts of the World Trade Center.
So, I mean, there are Islamic movements.
I don't want to put down Islam as a whole, but there are movements within Islam that are capable of I don't think they're capable of hitting a whole bunch of cities all at once.
There's not that many of them, and they're not that well organized.
Besides, the IRA has recently adopted the technique of making hoax phone calls, announcing bombs when they don't have bombs.
Once you've set off a few bombs, the police can't afford to ignore any threat you make.
And once you've blown up the World Trade Center, they can't afford to ignore any other threat you make.
So they can pull in endless hoaxes which will tie up police departments, create confusion, and generally bollocks up our whole system here without actually having any real germs at all.
Although they are capable of getting together enough, I suppose, to hit one city or two.
I'll wait and see, though.
I'm not going to get all hysterical about it just because there's aroma to that effect.
And that's really all they would need to do, though, as you point out, is to hit one and threaten many.
Yeah, that one's doing pretty well for the IRA technique lately.
Is the world, in your opinion, as you look at it generally, headed into a period of anarchy, chaos, more?
Or are things beginning to straighten out a little bit?
In other words, which direction do you see it going in presently?
Well, I see it heading towards increasing chaos and the sense of unpredictability.
If I could just take a minute to explain that.
In chaos theory and mathematics, chaos means the unpredictable, and chaos increases as information flow increases.
Information flow has been increasing throughout history.
Now with Internet, it's increasing faster than ever before.
So everything is becoming more and more unpredictable.
Therefore, everything seems to be out of control.
Or if you can't accept that everything is out of control, you've got to assume there's some conspiracy that's manipulating everything.
I feel it's just a function of the speed of information traveling and new technologies arising which discombobulate the whole economic system of every economic system on the planet.
We're going through rapid changes which nobody really understands and I do think it will level out eventually at a higher level of efficiency and prosperity than the human race has ever achieved before, but that's based on a lot of analysis by Buckminster Fuller and his World Game people, which is kind of complicated to go into.
But I'm not a pessimist.
I do think it is going to eventually work its way out into a higher degree of order after we've been through a lot more chaos.
Alright, so if you think that the Internet and the information superhighway, with all of its on-ramps, is contributing to this, you nevertheless are optimistic you wouldn't call for stopping some of the traffic or controlling some of the traffic or doing to the Internet what they tried to do, you know, to Mr. Flynn?
No, I think information flow, in spite of the unpredictability it creates, also creates the possibility of greater and greater success in terms of doing more with less, which is a phrase President Clinton has taken to using lately.
He's lifted that from Buckminster Fuller, the great mathematician and architect.
Well, then who did NASA lift it from?
Buckminster Fuller pointed out the tendency of modern technology is to do more and more with less and less, which means greater and greater success for the whole human race.
That's the result of the flow of information.
Anything that stifles the flow of information is keeping us poorer than we should be, longer than that should go on.
Where is some of this technology taking us?
We're beginning to map the human genome.
We're on the edge of, frankly, if you want my view, I think we probably have already cloned human beings privately in labs somewhere or another.
I would almost bet on that.
Where's all that going?
Well, I think it's heading towards nanotechnology, which is molecular-sized computers, which is going to change the whole picture of health sometime in the near future, 10, 15, 20 years, maybe even sooner.
And no matter what's wrong with you, they just give you a needle and shoot you with
these little mini computers that run all through your body examining every cell and fixing
anything that's wrong with it.
That's the direction that I think we're moving in and that's only part of it, the health
aspect.
Also, with nanotechnology, everything is going to become literally dirt cheap.
We could certainly begin replicating things in essence.
Yeah, you could build the whole rainforest back up in about 48 hours.
Everything that's been destroyed can be put back in about 48 hours with nanotechnology.
Optimistic.
It could be done.
Or they might even get us to the position, with regard to health, where we become immortal.
Well, I know a lot of people think that's a distinct possibility.
The problem for me with that is that if they achieve it in 30 years, I'll be 82 and I'm
not sure I want to be frozen there.
Well, if you want to follow this line of thought, if we get to the point where we can stop aging,
then we're very obviously the next step.
We understand that much, and the next step will be to start reversing it.
So at 83, you'll be younger than you are at 53.
That might be all right.
It wouldn't be bad at all.
It is an unusual world ahead.
We are cursed or blessed to live in interesting times.
There's no question about that.
It becomes more unpredictable all the time.
We just went through a big whoop-de-doo down in Roswell at the 50th anniversary of Roswell, and frankly, what occurred at Roswell was kind of a joke, or at least the way it was covered in the media was a joke.
They showed endless pictures of the museum with people with strange hats and all the rest of it.
But just prior to Roswell, the most interesting thing occurred when this Colonel Haynes I call him poor Colonel Haynes, was sent out to talk of this Roswell case closed book, which talked about dummies tossed out of something or another seven years after the supposed Roswell event.
And no matter what you think of Roswell, I'd be interested in your take on the Air Force's presentation prior to the 50th anniversary.
Why do you think they felt compelled to come out and do that?
Well, I can't begin to hazard how those people's minds work.
It's like intelligence agencies.
What they say does not always represent what they think, and what they think God only knows.
I certainly don't.
It's like many years ago, 15 years ago, there was a case in New York involving Law Aid, which is allegedly collecting money for widows and orphans.
in Northern Ireland was actually running guns for the IRA.
Sure.
And it turned out they were getting some of their guns from the CIA.
And I was interviewing Sean McBride, a leading Irish politician, famous man, won the Nobel Peace Prize.
I said, why would the CIA be running guns for Marxist revolutionaries?
And he said, when you're dealing with intelligence agencies, anything is possible.
And when you're dealing with the Air Force, anything is possible.
I mean, the most far-out theory is they were deliberately being absurd so more people would believe in UFOs.
Why would they want to do that?
I don't know.
Who compares the dark mind of government?
Well, that may seem far out, but that was, in fact, if you believe the surveys, that was a net effect.
Yeah, well, are we supposed to believe they're so dumb they didn't expect that effect?
Maybe they want us to believe in UFOs.
I mean UFOs are just unidentified.
Spaceships are a theory about them.
On the other hand, if you think about it a little bit, if that was a demonstration of their efficiency or their capability, then you have to believe that there's no chance in the world they could have kept that secret for 50 years.
Well, as Clint Eastwood said in an interview, The only reason that we haven't been overrun by all of our enemies is that their armies must be just as inefficient as ours.
The Berlin Wall came down.
Communism ostensibly died in Russia and its satellites are set free and the world is a new place.
Or is it?
I was in Moscow just a couple of years ago and About a year ago, actually.
As I went around Moscow, I felt watched.
I didn't feel free.
As a matter of fact, it's not a very safe place to be, and it's not a very free place to be.
So, has communism really died, or is it just taking a big, long breath?
What's going on worldwide, us versus them?
Well, I think it's comatose, more abundant, just about dead.
I think the funniest thing I've read recently was one of the communist newspapers is opposing Yeltsin's plan to destroy the Lenin mausoleum and bury Lenin in an ordinary grave in an ordinary graveyard.
He pointed out when they dug up Chamberlain's grave two days later Nazi Germany invaded Russia.
This is the height of superstitious thinking in Marxism.
They're supposed to be materialists and realists.
Oh, listen, the Russians... Money is a god to them, and they've got to try to protect their god.
No, no, the Russians are the most superstitious people in the entire world, actually.
I guess you've got to be very superstitious to believe in Marxism.
Yeah.
How do we rank superstition-wise in the world?
Are we a very superstitious people?
You know, it's hard when you're living right in the middle of it to understand where you fit in with respect to the rest of the world.
Are we very superstitious?
Well, I've done a certain amount of traveling, but I would say we're a lot more superstitious than the Swedes or the Scandinavians generally.
We're not as superstitious as the Irish.
We're not as superstitious as the Mexicans.
We're a lot more superstitious than the English.
I don't know.
We're somewhere in the middle of the superstition range.
All right.
Let's try another subject with you.
Another grand conspiracy, Robert, is that the oil companies have miles and miles of shelves with carburetors that get incredible amounts of mileage, that there is free energy, alternative energy, fuel cells that are available, but just Can't be developed or are being suppressed by the big oil companies?
What do you have to say about it?
I am inclined to believe a great deal of that.
I know that they keep spending money on big full-page ads telling us solar power can't be developed yet, it'll take another 40 years, and yet I know of a friend in West Virginia who built a solar-powered house I know a friend in Santa Barbara, California who has a solar-powered house, and I met somebody in Dallas recently who told me there's a whole suburb of Dallas that's solar-powered.
Really?
I think there's a great deal of money invested in the old petroleum technology, and they don't want us developing any better technology, cheaper, more efficient, less polluting, until they've got the last penny out of the last drop of oil.
Well, it's my understanding that at present levels of usage, We've got about 40 or 45 years left of fossil fuels.
And I think they want to make sure we spend every penny for the whole 45 years before they let us develop any better technologies.
And then at just the right moment, why all this stuff that's been held on the shelves will suddenly come forth, and they will have by then figured out a way to charge us large amounts of money for it.
Well, Bucky Fuller, if I may quote him again, he said the reason we don't have solar Initially on a big scale is because the monopolies haven't figured out how to put a meter between us and the sun.
Yeah, there you are.
I'm sure they will, though, and I'm sure that once they do, just short of using up all of the petroleum, which we are going to need, no doubt, for plastics, there'll be a change.
What is your favorite conspiracy?
You've got a book coming out.
The Encyclopedia of Conspiracies.
That's the subtitle.
The title is Everything is Under Control.
Everything is Under Control.
But that won't be out until next year.
Okay.
Well, you can... If you want to plug one of my books, mention Illuminatus again.
Illuminatus.
It's available everywhere.
Every bookstore, huh?
Just about, yeah.
All right.
The Encyclopedia of Conspiracies.
What is your favorite conspiracy?
Oh, I guess that would be the Priory of Science.
You're going to have to run that one by me.
Well, that's pretty complicated.
That's why it's my favorite.
I see.
There's a group of French aristocrats who definitely exist and definitely belong to an organization called the Priory of Scion.
And according to my research, they have helped and maybe even written some of the books exposing them.
But every book exposing them has a different theory about what the Priory of Scion is all about.
There's one book that claims they're all descended from Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene who were married and had a son named Merveille who was buried in the south of France.
Another book claims that they are descended from matings between human beings and extraterrestrials from the star system Sirius.
Another book claims they're all gay.
There are several other variations.
There's one book that claims they came from Atlantis and colonized France at the beginning
of history.
There's another one that says the secret is that they are in contact with a superior race
that lives inside the earth which is hollow, which Jules Verne was a member and knew about
it.
I like that book.
The evidence is that they really exist and that they are encouraging this kind of literature
about themselves for their own whimsical reasons and it's not all just a big joke.
They all have heavy investments in banking in France, Switzerland, England, and the United States, too.
All right, Robert, we're at the top of the hour.
We're going to go on, and we'll open the phone lines into the next hour if you can stay.
I can stay for a while, yeah.
Yeah, good.
Alright, stay right where you are.
Robert Anton Wilson is with us.
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Now would be a good time.
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All right, back now to Robert Anton Wilson.
Robert, are you there?
I'm still here.
All right.
I do have a question for you.
As you write and investigate all these various conspiracies, Robert, One day you've got to imagine that even if 90% of them are pure bunk, one day you're going to stumble into something really serious and they're going to get you.
Have you ever thought about that?
Oh yeah, around three in the morning sometimes I get thoughts like that.
Like when you hear a noise outside or something?
Yeah, well that's one of the risks of...
But actually, even if you don't write about conspiracies, most writers, no matter what
they write about, they get a few crank letters every year threatening them.
So it's just part of the...
It happens to golf pros, it happens to tennis stars, it happens to anybody who gets moderately
well-known.
So you don't have to write about conspiracy theories to feel a little bit paranoid.
That's true.
And even paranoids occasionally, of course, are killed.
lot of strange things going on in our society.
For example, this murder of the fashion designer in Miami here the other day.
Strange stuff.
A couple of bullets to the head.
Serial killer.
Serial killers seem to be almost unique to America.
Not entirely so, but generally so.
White guys, middle-aged white guys, serial killers.
Why?
I don't know why, but it is very interesting that there are a lot of statistical clusters by which the FBI's behavioral science unit can pretty much give you a profile of what they're like.
They do run in types and they are, as you say, generally middle-aged.
They're always white and they're always male.
There was one female serial killer in Sacramento a couple of years ago, but that was an exception.
She wasn't a serial killer in the normal sense of somebody who just picks victims for the hell of it.
She was killing people in her boarding house to collect their social security bills.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, but there was motive there.
Yeah, that's right.
She did have a series, though.
Serial killers interest me because it's so interesting that predictions about them are often confirmed, which shows that even the most bizarre behaviors can be scientifically studied and predicted.
Well, in that case, they ought to have this fellow, Kunon, who is accused of the murder of Versace.
That ought to happen in a hand pretty soon, if they can predict.
All right, listen, there's a lot of people who want to talk to you, so let's see what they have to say.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Robert Anton Wilson.
Hello.
Hello.
Yes, I want to say it's an honor to speak with you, Mr. Wilson.
I'm a longtime fan, and this is also my first time talking with an android.
I'm calling from Louisville, Kentucky.
I recently, up until last year I guess, was a cognitive science researcher.
I can say that many people in the cognitive science, artificial intelligence community read and admire your books.
My specialty was computational neuroscience.
I was especially impressed with quantum psychology.
You were talking about culture as neuro-linguistic programming.
Yes.
And notions like that were fascinating.
I had two questions real quick here, and one comment.
On the Illuminati, I recently came across a paper by Thomas Paine, written obviously during his lifetime, where he said that the Illuminati, the Freemasons, and so forth, were all descendants of the Druids.
That when the Romans had conquered those British tribes, the Druids went underground and formed these groups.
Now we call them the Illuminati, Freemasons and so forth.
All the symbolism, or the basis of the symbolism, comes from those ancient Druidic rituals.
What do you think of that?
Well, Tom Paine knew William Blake, the lyric poet and mystic, and Blake also believed that.
I think a lot of people towards the end of the 18th century were trying to trace the Masons back to the Druids, but others were trying to trace them back to the mystery schools of ancient Greece or to the Knights Templar.
Or even halfway across the world to the assassins of the Ishmaelian sect of Islam.
There are all sorts of alternative theories.
You may not have gone far enough in that.
Well, let me ask two quick things.
You were publishing a thing called Trajectories, and a friend of mine also was a researcher.
He had most of those copies, and now I saw that Flatland is publishing a collection of Trajectories, the best of sort of thing.
Are you still publishing anything like that?
Oh yeah, trajectories.
We print one issue and then the next one we put out on tape.
The next one that will be out will be on tape.
The last one was a print issue about 28 pages long.
Can you give an address where we can get that?
P.O.
Box 700305, San Jose, California.
And my mind just went blank on the zip code.
San Jose, California, we'll get there.
It'll just take a day extra without the zip code.
Yeah, at least.
Robert, do you have a web page?
Yes.
That's H-T-T-T, as usual, colon slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash, slash And then back to lower case again, P-R-I-M-E 8, the number 8, slash R-A-W dot H-T-M-L.
We're going to have to do something about that.
Yeah, well, I'm going to get shortened, but right now that's the necessary address.
I presume a search engine like Yahoo or whatever will, on your name, bring up that site.
Well, it's easy to remember.
It's got E-prime, which is English without use of is, and it's got primate, and these are both major themes in my writing.
There is a theory.
I interviewed somebody on nanotechnology not long ago who suggested the first signs we're going to see of artificial intelligence are going to begin to appear on the net, that there will actually be a type of life form or life forms I think so.
I know a lot of people in the business.
I live right over the hill from Silicon Gulch, and I know a lot of them get very science fiction-ish, and they say signs of intelligence and growth are beginning to appear on the net already, like there's a mind there separate from the individual minds that are making it work.
I don't know whether I believe that or not, but it is believed by people who really work in the field all the time.
Well, I know that it's doubling every few months now.
It's beginning to become an entity of its own.
Now, maybe that will spur an eventual life form.
I wore a funny little t-shirt last night that somebody sent me.
It said, www.getalife.com.
And I thought it was a riot, so I wore it, and somebody called me, or actually faxed me mid-show and said, guess what?
There is such a sight.
Doesn't surprise me.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Robert Anton Wilson.
Hello.
Good morning, Art.
Good morning, Mr. Wilson.
Good morning.
You'll have to excuse me, I'm really nervous.
I never thought I'd be on the phone with the man who's impacted my life more than anyone I've ever known.
Thank you, Mr. Wilson.
I've got two quick questions.
Uh, is there a CD-ROM planned for Reality Is What You Can Get Away With?
Uh, not yet.
Excuse me?
I'm sorry?
Not yet.
Not yet?
There's, uh, there is, uh, option on, on, uh, on Phil Helmreich and how that may be coming out as a video, but that's, that's options.
It hasn't started production yet.
Okay, and my other question was, there are several books that I can't seem to find.
Do you, uh, that's six of them.
Do you have some that are just out of print right now, or are there any plans to put them back in print?
There are only three that are out of print.
That's the historical novels.
Okay.
And the others are all in print.
The historical novels, like The Widow's Son and The Earth Will Shake?
And Nature's God, yes.
Okay.
Well, great.
I appreciate it, Art.
And thank you, Mr. Wilson.
All right.
Take care, sir.
How many books have you sold?
Thirty books in print.
How many have you sold?
I'm not sure.
My agent wrote several years ago that my worldwide sales had reached half a million.
That's not all the books together, but that was several years ago, so it's probably close to a million now, I guess.
So much?
But that's over a period of a couple of decades.
That doesn't mean I got a million dollars.
How does it work for you with writing?
Authors are all very different.
Do you dream a book?
Well, every writer is different.
In my case, the beginning is always hard, and I frequently rewrite the beginning several times.
is different.
In my case, the beginning is always hard and I frequently rewrite the beginning several
times.
Sometimes, what started out the beginning ends up around page 70, but as it goes along,
it goes faster and faster.
Sometimes I write so damn much I end up with an aching back, sore legs and bleary eyes.
So when it finally gets going, it just pours forth?
Yeah, I really believe there's something even deeper than the Freudian unconscious.
There's another mind inside of us that's really very, very creative.
Robert, I talked with you briefly a couple of years ago at the Elevated Phenomenon in Atlanta, Georgia.
Keep your hands moving, your fingers moving as fast as that mind is working.
Robert, I was talking with you briefly a couple of years ago at the Ill-Fated Phenomenon
in Atlanta, Georgia.
You and Reverend Spang for a bit.
I was wondering what's going on with the Illuminatus comic book?
That just went bust.
The people putting it out didn't have the right distribution or something.
The book itself keeps on selling and selling, but the comic book just didn't go anywhere.
Maybe my ideas don't fit into the comic book format.
Actually, it's perfect if you could just get the right channels of distribution, which is something along the lines of what I'd like to talk to you about.
Perhaps I could leave you my number or something off the line.
I do have some minor connections in with some people and we've been discussing trying to
present a line and I think some of your stuff would work perfectly into it if we could just
get something kind of going and we could talk with you about it.
Personally, I'd just like to really see it out there again.
I miss it and I've talked with a lot of other people.
There's a market out there.
I'll be a small but if it was put through the right channels, I think we could do something.
But at any rate, if I could take care of that, I'll be here.
I don't know, but... No, you'll have to contact him through his website or email or something or another, because I'm here by myself.
Yeah, write to my website.
Unfortunately, I'm not on the net yet.
Oh, no.
Write to P.O.
Box 7-0-0-3-0-5.
He's got a P.O.
Box.
He'll give it to you again.
Listen carefully.
Okay.
P.O.
Box 7-0-0-3-0-5, San Jose, California.
I guess you'd better do it again.
P.O.
Box 7-0-0-3-0-5, San Jose, California.
All right.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Anton Wilson.
Hi.
Hi, this is Dan, and I'm the webmaster of the Chat Clubs.
Hi, Dan.
Hi there.
I've been reading, Robert Anton Wilson, I've been reading your books since the mid-70s.
I was especially intrigued by the Illuminati trilogy.
And lately I've gotten really interested in the New Inquisition.
I've done a good deal of writing about pretty much the same subject, FISCOP and so forth, and I recently got my name in the New York Times because of it.
And?
Go ahead.
Okay.
Well, I'm interested in what you've written about FISCOP, and also I wonder if you're familiar with the latest The CISCOP is saying about the media, about buying up the media.
CISCOP, by the way.
CISCOP.
CISCOP, it's a pun on CYCOP, like the cops are going to take, you know.
Okay, what they've been saying about the media?
Well, what they've been saying is that they want to buy up the media.
I don't think they have the resources financially at this point, and I'm kind of speculating about where they would get money for that.
There is a good avenue to follow there.
There is a present deregulation by the Federal Communications Commission, Robert, and we are seeing a very rapid consolidation of broadcast facilities across the United States into fewer and fewer hands.
Any comments?
Yeah, well, most of the media belong to the Harris family and Rupert Murdoch and GE.
I don't see how Psycop is going to buy those people out.
This is some kind of joke.
Psycop just doesn't have that kind of money to buy out Rupert Murdoch, much less Larry Stringham.
But there is, though, a consolidation underway.
Oh yeah, but Psycop isn't going to be in charge of it.
Yeah, well, let's drop them for a second.
How do you feel about this general consolidation going on?
Dangerous?
I think it's dangerous, deplorable, and frightening.
But fortunately, the internet is working in the opposite direction.
There's more decentralization.
That's true.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air with Robert... Oops, would have been.
You're a dial tone.
Wildcard line, you're on the air with Robert Anton Wilson.
Hi.
Yes, this is Shultz from Canton.
Yes.
yes i can do uh... the name of the new dance for your art that will be art bill sidestep
move i don't want to get them williams uh... talk about his book well his name is wilson
for one thing will soon i don't know what do you want to ask him about his book
why don't you give them an opportunity to talk about
is book he's got that opportunity right now
uh...
i've been talking about several of my book I mentioned the Inquisition, Illuminatus, and the one I'm working on, Everything is Under Control.
I mentioned Wilhelm Reichenhell.
I would also like to mention the three Cosmic Trigger books, The Final Secret of the Illuminati, Down to Earth, and My Life After Death.
Those three are all about my investigations of secret societies and occult conspiracies.
and the reports of my own death, and art forgers, and hoaxers, and the difficulty of telling
when you're dealing with a hoax and when you're dealing with a miracle.
Those are my three favorite books, the three cosmic trigger volumes.
Are there any, you said delineating between a hoax and a miracle, are there any things
that you can cite as probably genuinely miracles?
That's a very good question.
In one sense I think everything is a miracle.
In another sense there are things that are absolutely extraordinary, like the, and I'm
not a Catholic, the...
Thank you.
The events at Fatima connected with the miracles of our so-called Lady of Fatima.
There were up to 30,000 witnesses on the scene for the last set of strange events, and there were about 100,000 more who saw some of them from a distance.
That involved things like UFOs, and the sun seemed to move closer to the Earth temporarily And flower petals fell out of the sky.
I wasn't there.
I don't know what happened.
But I just can't believe the dismissive view that all 100,000 people were hallucinating.
I don't know what was happening there, but I think it's very, very interesting, whatever it was.
You've seen the image of Mary on the building down in Clearwater?
No, I haven't.
You haven't seen that?
The image of Mary was remarkable, actually, covering the entire side of the building that formed over a period of months.
And then some little dweeb came along and threw some graffiti on it.
And remarkably, it cleaned itself up and the image came clear once again.
Quite a remarkable story.
We've actually got pictures of that up on the website.
All right, listen.
Hold on.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
We'll do another half hour.
How's that?
Okay.
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Robert, maybe you'd care to comment, or you wouldn't, on contemporary US politics and our president.
I've sort of ceased talking a lot about politics because I've perceived that a lot of what they're, even most of what they're talking about, if not all, is not relevant to our lives anymore.
That not too many people give a damn how Newt Gingrich pays his fine or whatever.
What's your take on it?
Well, I regard governments as sponsored entities.
They are owned by the people who put up the money.
It takes $100 million to run a campaign for president, so whoever wins is already in debt to multimillionaires to start with.
So it's not a loser.
The president that really matters, what matters is who has the money.
That's really what controls the modern world.
That's right.
I think Senate seats go for about $20 million on average.
Also, there's a controversy going on now.
This ought to be right down your alley.
They just tested the gun that John Zero Ray supposedly used, and at best it is inconclusive, or maybe it wasn't the gun.
What do you think?
Well, I am very impressed by that, and I'm also impressed by the fact that every surviving member of the King family believes there was a conspiracy and that Ray was framed.
If the whole Kennedy family came out with something like that, I'd be much more convinced there was a conspiracy in Dealey Plaza.
I don't think the whole family can possibly have gone nuts all at once.
So you generally subscribe to the fact that he's rotting away in jail, soon to die, and then we'll simply never know.
It'll be another one that goes in the files of never to be heard from again.
Maybe that'll happen.
Maybe this will be the one that blows up the whole cover-up system, and a whole lot of the truth will start coming out.
Okay.
Back to the phones.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Anton Wilson.
Hi.
My question is about the career design.
I'm an indulger in the universal joke.
My question is about the career design.
Mr. Wilson, in your opinion, do you believe that the sangral that they mention, and that's
very important in their mythology, that the temple...
I think both of them are possible but neither has been proven yet.
as in the Holy Grail or as in the same grail as in the lineage of Jesus Christ, the Holy
Blood?
I don't believe either.
I think both of them are possible but neither has been proven yet.
Well, that's kind of what I meant.
I think there are so many interesting theories about Priory that trying to choose between
them is impossible because none of them have really strong evidence.
They're all based mostly on bluff.
But they are trying to keep us interested and I want to know why they want to keep us
interested.
Well, yeah, I've been studying them for a while and it seems like they've suddenly popped
up in sort of the underground mainstream, if you understand what I mean by that.
They've been popping up all over the place and the whole en-ar-queda ego is popping up
everywhere.
Oh yeah, people don't want to like the devil.
And like you said, I'm wondering why, you know, if they are actually perpetrating that
or if someone else found it and is perpetrating it or what.
But I find the whole mythos really interesting, and I find your writing really interesting, and really helpful, and, um, it's at least making people start to ask questions, and I appreciate that a lot.
And thank you, Mr. Bell.
Alright, thank you.
Thank you.
Take care.
Uh, first time caller on the line, uh, your turn, with Robert Anton Wilson, hi.
Oh, hello there.
Hi.
Gosh, I'm glad to get through.
I tell you, I never thought I'd make it.
Where are you?
Oh, I'm in Jacksonville, Florida.
Okay.
W-O-K-V.
Yes, sir.
Anyway, I wanted to ask about the Bob Dobbs book, Three-Fisted Tales of Bob, and how your guests got involved with that.
I really loved the story, The Horror on House Hill.
It was really funny and great, you know, the whole thing.
Well, I've been involved with the Church of the Subgenius from the beginning.
Ivan Stein claims Bob is based on me, but maybe he says that to every writer he knows.
I would like to know a personal question.
How do you select and what do you select to read these days?
Do you take a lot of newspapers periodically?
I guess you've read every book that was ever written, haven't you?
Absolutely not.
Nobody can.
I'm extraordinarily aware of my own ignorance.
The amount of print and computer information available is so enormous and the amount I've managed to get through is so tiny in comparison.
That's why I so carefully avoid making dogmatic statements.
I'm aware that something that completely disproves everything I'm saying may be in print somewhere, but I just haven't found it yet.
When you go into a bookstore and at random pick things up, I'd just like to know how you're so well-read and what advice you might have to those of us who are retired for reading.
Personal preferences.
What do you like?
Well, I trust what Arthur Kessler called the ghost in the library.
You get certain hunches that now is the time to go into a bookstore and you go in and you see a book that right away attracts your attention, so I buy it.
This is believing that the unconscious knows more than the conscious and trusting it.
Of course, there are lots of subjects I'm interested in, so I keep looking for new books on those subjects.
No, I'm reading less books these days because I'm spending more time looking through the World Wide Web.
You can find almost everything on the Web that you want to know.
Yeah, I was wondering out loud the other day what this is going to do to the old encyclopedia salesperson.
Remember them?
Oh yeah, I was one once.
Were you?
I think you can find things on the Web much faster than you can in an ordinary encyclopedia.
By the way, somewhere here, I've got it.
I've got your zip code.
You know what?
I lost it.
Actually, I was going to surprise you.
We've got a link up on our site right now to your site, so anybody who wants to know more about you can jump up there.
That'll give them the zip code number.
Yeah, that's actually where I got it.
Damn, I lose things all the time.
I'm convinced there's like a land of the lost where everything that's been lost, pens and stuff that you'll never find again, it's all in the land of the lost.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Anton Wilson.
Hello.
Hi, Eric.
Where are you?
This is Andrew in Sheboygan, Wisconsin.
Alright.
I was wondering if Mr. Wilson had any comments on the movie coming out, Conspiracy Theory, and if he had any other videos that he might recommend.
Okay.
I haven't seen, you mean the new movie with Mel Gibson?
Yeah.
I haven't seen that yet, so I don't know.
I don't have to tell you, I haven't seen a couple of things.
Video, you mean videos and video stores that I'd recommend?
Yeah, anything that... Yeah, Repo Man, Orson Welles, The Trial, The Meaning of Life by the Monty Python Group, there's a trio I'd recommend right away.
Yeah, The Meaning of Life, that's a great one.
All right.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Anton Wilson.
Good morning.
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Hello there.
Hello, Mr. Wilson and Art Bell.
Hello there.
It's exciting to talk to you.
This is Dan in Lexington, Kentucky, listening to WLXG.
Yes.
And I've been an incredible fan of both of you for a long, long time.
Thank you.
I just would like to ask a couple questions, if you don't mind, and I'll let you answer off air.
First thing I'd like to ask is, do you believe that there is really a they, and if there is, who do you think they would be?
And do you currently do any speaking events, and if so, where can I find a schedule so I might be able to contact you?
Alright, that's it.
First of all, who the hell are they?
Well, they are...
Whoever you're afraid of, I guess, and if you're afraid of the Freemasons, they are the Freemasons.
If you're afraid of politicians, they are the politicians.
If you share Mike, we'll be suspicious about bankers, they are the bankers.
How about your speaking tours?
Yeah, it's on my website.
You open to the first page of the website and you find upcoming engagements and it tells you all the places I'll be speaking for the rest of this year.
I'm doing a workshop in Minneapolis, I mean in Duluth next week and I'm doing a workshop in San Francisco in August and so on.
It takes you right up to November.
I don't have any bookings in December yet.
Okay.
All right.
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Hi.
Hi.
I'm Hank in western Michigan.
Hi, Hank.
Hi, Hank.
Yeah, I would like to know if Mr. Anton Wilson has any comments about the Oriental masonry and how it crept into Europe in the early part of the 1930s and 1920s.
Well, around the turn of the century.
Have you researched that?
No, this is the first I've heard of oriental masonry creeping into Europe.
Masonry spread from Europe into the Orient is the way I think it went.
So it came back again in a new form from the Orient.
They changed it.
So what are you suggesting?
Well, I don't know anything about that, but I'll start hunting for it.
I have a frequent guest, Richard Hoagland, who speaks about the face on Mars that you referred to earlier, and he is convinced that masonry and ancient rituals connected to Egypt are driving our entire space program.
Yeah, I first encountered that theory from a guy named Downard back in the 70s.
He had a complicated theory where the assassinations of John, Bobby Kennedy, and Martin Luther King were all connected with the first moon launch, and with the 33rd degree of parallel, and the 33rd degree of masonry, and all sorts of things like that.
Well, I was astounded it was on that long before Hoagland.
It's a very complicated theory.
It's so complicated that I can't take it seriously.
Except that an awful lot of it does work.
And you've got to wonder whether they're dates put together, cobbled together to make it work, ignoring certain other ones, or whether it's a reality.
It's probably ultimately right down your alley.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Anton Wilson.
Hi.
Well, hi.
How are you doing?
I'm doing.
Hey, I was calling in regards to finding out about some books that you have.
Do you remember a while back when you had a show and you were talking about crop circles and the magnetic Yes.
Well, I think some of the best writing is done by Linda Moulton Howe with regard to crop circles, so pick up one of her books.
While we're on the subject, crop circles, pretty interesting stuff, Robert.
Do you have any views on it?
They're increasing in numbers rapidly and have been since about 1990.
A message from somebody or some sort of weird atmospheric something?
I'm not sure.
For a while, I thought there was something really profound going on, and about nine different groups of people confessed how different tricks they had used to make different types of crop circles, and I got more suspicious.
But it doesn't seem that hoaxes can explain all of them.
They're all over the world, and they're coming faster and faster, so I'm back to just being puzzled again.
Yeah, that's me too.
Increasing now in this country, as a matter of fact, rapidly.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Robert Anton Wilson.
Hi.
Yes, I'd like to ask Mr. Wilson about the, uh, Tesla conspiracy.
The what?
Tesla conspiracy.
Oh, you mean, uh, when the government... Big Alive Tesla?
Yeah, when the government moved in after his death in Guam... Oh, yes, oh yes.
...took everything away.
It was about him going to the, uh, the forest, or the rainforest, supposedly, with a bunch of group of scientists.
No, that one I don't know about.
I don't know about that either.
I do know that Tesla made a million dollars before he was 30, back in the days when a million dollars was a hell of a lot of money.
He was a very brilliant engineer, a very good technician.
He had over 100 patents.
And all of his later work was ignored.
Nobody would finance it.
And I think it was because, as he kept saying, it would make energy available to all at very cheap prices, practically nothing.
and i think there are people who don't want energy available for the whole
human race at low prices practically nothing what are your views on money? You just mentioned money. Ted
Turner once said something that's always stuck with me. He said you know
uh... having this much money and this much success he said it's kind of an
empty bag oh i don't know i i
I like money.
I think money is wonderful stuff.
I'd like to have bags and bags of it.
Lots of bags of it, huh?
Well, do you?
Uh, not quite.
Okay.
These are the Rockies.
You're on the air with Robert Anton Wilson.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
I'd like to ask your guests, a conspiracy that I firmly believe is backed up with facts
is that Pope John Paul I was murdered by members of the P2 to cover up a huge scandal that
but it's still playing out involving the Vatican bank and And I believe that the man was poisoned.
You know, the Vatican would not allow an autopsy on the body.
That's right.
And it was just so sudden.
And he had a series of false statements about the man's past health and all kinds of other things.
Yeah, a lot of people believe that.
Well, I'll tell you, I've read a lot about the P2 conspiracy.
I believe that they used the Vatican Bank to launder drug money.
I believe they had a loop between the Vatican Bank, Banco Ambrosiano, and the World Finance Corporation in Miami, which was connected to the CIA's drug and gun business down in Costa Rica.
And I think they were into all sorts of illegal activities.
Several of them have been convicted.
A few of them died under mysterious circumstances while under indictment.
I don't think the evidence that they killed the Pope is absolutely convincing, although it wouldn't surprise me if they did.
They were quite capable of that.
All right.
First time caller line.
You're on the air with Robert Anton Wilson.
Hi.
Hello there.
Going once, going twice, gone.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air with Robert Anton Wilson.
Hi.
Hello.
Hello there.
Is it possible that... Turn your radio off, sir.
You're confused.
You're listening to your radio.
Turn it off.
Yeah, okay.
Is it possible now you were going to say something?
Is what possible?
Hello?
Hello?
Well, apparently it has gone off the side.
Alright, let's try it again.
I thought I was far enough away from it.
Is it possible that by design, that if to conquer something is to divide it, that this democracy that we take as such a blessing is actually a means of keeping us divided at each other's throats rather than united and empowered?
Well, I don't think democracy was designed with that idea.
But I do think that a lot of ideas that are widely spread in the media are intended to divide us.
And also, did I hear you mention Wilhelm Reich?
Yes, I mentioned him a while ago.
I think Reich has never received a fair hearing from the scientific community.
I think that The Murder of Christ by Wilhelm Reich is one of the most profound books I've read.
Yeah, I agree.
It's one of his best.
He was not a man.
Martyrdom is martyrdom.
That's about it.
All right.
That's it then.
East of the Rockies.
Without much time, you're on there with Robert Anton Wilson.
Hi.
Hi.
I'm calling from Duluth.
Yes.
And I just have a couple things.
First of all, you mentioned you're coming to Duluth.
And I'd like to know when and where.
From the 23rd to the 27th, I will be one of the speakers at the Neurolinguistic Programming Seminar at Black Bear Hotel.
Okay.
It's not in Duluth.
It's outside Duluth.
No, I don't want to scare you about coming to Duluth, but Duluth has a celebrity curse.
Elvis, Kennedy, the Admiralty General sank after leaving Duluth.
Buddy Holly died in a plane crash three days after leaving Duluth.
It's kind of a strange thing, but... Maybe you shouldn't be going to Duluth.
No, I've been there before and came back safely, so I'm not going to worry about it.
There you are, Colin.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Robert, I could give you more time, but you probably want to get better at something.
Yeah, I guess I've done about enough for one night, but I hope we can do this again.
Oh, we can.
Oh, good.
Wonderful.
Listen, again, the book you said you really want to plug is Illuminatus, right?
Yes, that's the easiest one for most people to find.
Walk into any bookstore, that kind of deal?
That's right, yes.
And if they look at my website, they'll find a whole list of my books they can buy directly from me at a lower price than the bookstore prices.
Oh, really?
Yes.
Do you ever autograph books for people?
Yeah, sometimes.
Alright, let's do it again sometime, my friend.
Okay, let's.
Thanks.
Thanks a lot.
See you later.
Yeah, take care.
Robert Anton Wilson, and there's a lot we didn't get to, so we will have him back, obviously.
A lot of you wanted him on.
You asked for it.
You got it.
Another person, I should tell you, tomorrow night, by the way, Um, Danion Brinkley, assuming he gets me his phone number.
Danion, you're supposed to be getting me that phone number, if you're out there.
Danion Brinkley will be here, and he's really something.
And let me tell you somebody I'm working on, actually, who wrote me a letter, and his name is Leonard Nimoy.
So, Leonard wrote me a letter.
That was interesting, too, and he said, well, here's some stuff I've done, and I'd love to be on the show, love to talk to you, and Then he forgot to give me a phone number, so I finally tracked that phone number down.
And we're going to be lining up Leonard Nimoy for you shortly.
That should be very interesting as well.
So!
There's a full moon out there tonight, you know.
Have you seen it?
There are always nights, good nights, to do open line talk radio.
Robert Anton Wilson has set us up well.
That's next, from the high desert, I'm Art Bell.
I'm Art Bell.
Art Bell is taking calls on the wild card lines.
At 702-727-1295.
That's 702-727-1295.
First-time callers can reach Art Bell at 702-727-1222.
702-727-1222.
Now, here again, Art Bell.
Here I am.
Last two hours spent with Robert Anton Wilson.
702-727-1222.
Now, here again, Art Bell.
Here I am. Last two hours spent with Robert Anton Wilson.
That was fun.
Hope you enjoyed it.
We'll have him back again, of course.
And as I said, tomorrow night, with luck and a good phone number, Daniel Brinkley will be here.
Also arranging an interview with Leonard Nimoy.
Star Trek's Mr. Spock.
And a whole lot more.
There's one talented guy.
So, um, all of that is in the relatively immediate future, I think.
And more.
Someone writes the following to Mr. Bell.
Was wondering when you're going to have Major Ed Daines on the show again.
He said a little over a year ago that it would take a year before he could, quote, put his signature, end quote, on any reports of negative climactic changes.
Well, it's been over a year, and I'm sure a lot of us are interested in hearing what he has to say about it.
Ken from Southern California.
Yeah, that's true.
I might make a surprise call to Ed Dames.
You never know, I'll get him on and see what he does have to say about that.
Climactic changes seem to be underway right now.
I could almost put my signature on it.
We're about to enter the unknown land of weirdness and open phones.
Or open phones and weirdness.
They go together.
Especially with a full moon.
Alright, uh, let's see what's in the news.
The services for Gianni Versace are set for Friday.
And he will be buried.
They continue to seek actively Mr. Andrew Cunanan, who they believe is the serial killer that may have done him in.
Officials said Friday Russia's troubled Mir space station has realigned itself back in the sun again.
Lights on.
Most systems reconnected.
Systems crashed Thursday when a cable was accidentally unfugged.
Must have been a very bad moment.
House Speaker Newt Gingrich survived another challenge to his leadership with what appears to be a purge.
The Republican Party skirmish claimed a rising young conservative, Bill Paxson, And apparently, the way I get this is, Newt Gingrich thought Mr. Paxson was going to... was trying to do him in politically, and so instead, Mr. Gingrich did him in.
Interesting.
The Florida Supreme Court ruled the case of a man dying of AIDS, in the case of this man dying of AIDS, upheld the state law that bans physician-assisted suicide.
So they're saying no.
That's a very interesting topic.
I very much am opposed to suicide.
I haven't felt that way all my life.
But, you know, for you, I'm not opposed to it.
And by that I mean, I would not begin to impose my moral beliefs, or ethical beliefs, personal beliefs on you.
I'm more of a libertarian.
I wouldn't do it.
I've got my own reasons why I wouldn't do it.
But I think the government has no damn business passing laws and telling you what you can and can't do with your life.
That's bull.
There is a tropical storm named Danny hovering ominously now off the coast of Louisiana with about 60 mile an hour winds.
Now the problem here is that it's very warm water.
And the sooner it gets on shore, the better, because if it sits out there over that warm water, it's going to build.
And these are the really dangerous ones when they sit out there in the Gulf and just build and build and build, feeding on the warm water.
And then in 24 hours or less, before you know it, you've got yourself a really serious storm.
Anyway, that's a brief, uh, overlook, uh, at what's going on out there.
If any of that interests you, uh, you're welcome to comment on it.
Short of that, anything goes.
It's a full moon.
We don't screen calls.
So I have no idea what's coming up.
Whatever you feel like talking about is... It's, uh, air game.
Here we go.
First time caller line, you're on the air.
Hello, Mr. Bell.
I'm Abby, calling from Vancouver, British Columbia.
Welcome to the program.
Thank you, sir.
What do you know about witching for water?
I know quite a bit about it.
I don't do it myself.
My wife is a water witch, and she's a damn good one, too.
She uses the forked willow branch?
It doesn't really matter.
That's just an implement.
She, in the times I've seen her use it, she's used, you know, coat hangers.
It really doesn't matter.
You can use anything.
You can use a piece of wood, you can use whatever.
I think the power emanates not from the implement, but from the person holding it.
Oh, okay.
See, I saw it as a kid.
I saw my father do it, and very successfully, but I believed at the time that it was the willow branch that was doing it, and not my dad.
No, it was your dad.
Okay, well, thank you.
I have to say, I just started listening to your program and I find it fascinating.
Well, it's a little different, isn't it?
And your topics are so varied.
They are.
I wouldn't have it any other way.
Otherwise, how could I do five hours?
It would be boring.
I couldn't sit here and talk about the same thing.
Exactly.
Alright, thank you very much.
Thank you.
Take care.
That's right.
It would be so boring, wouldn't it, talking about the same thing every night?
I just couldn't do it, so I don't.
You know, where is some rule written down in talk radio that you will discuss the following thing for three to five hours every night?
You will inject the latest political conspiracy to discuss.
You will talk of Newt Gingrich's fine or how he just had a purge and got rid of somebody who might have been trying to get rid of him.
And that's okay to talk about, but not for five hours every night.
There's more to life.
East of the Rockies, you're on air.
Hi.
Uh, Mr. Bell, my name is Tracy, and I'm calling from Shenandoah Valley, Virginia.
Yes, sir.
Hi, how are you doing, Tracy?
Uh, pretty good.
And, uh, I listened the other night when you had the vampires calling in, and I figured since it was a full moon, if there were any werewolves out there, I'd like to hear them call in.
See what's going on.
No, it's a lot easier to get vampires than it is werewolves.
Werewolves are rather... You've got a terrible portable phone, don't you?
Oh, my.
Well, I hope it's not making any noise for you.
Yeah, it is.
Okay.
Things ought to be put in trash compactors and destroyed.
Also, I'd like to say I called Golden Eagle Food Storage the other day about my one-year supply, and they told me that you tried their product and was very satisfied with it.
There's no question about it.
I thought that was nice that you actually tried the product before you endorsed it.
I don't.
That's right.
I'm short of some medical products for which I don't have the problem so I can't be a judge, and there I use people's testimonials.
I'm sure of that.
I try everything before I advertise it.
But what the audience doesn't know is how much I reject.
My network knows about that.
They hate that.
But I'm the one who's got to sit out here and say, this is a good product.
Buy it.
And I don't want to be lying.
I would imagine there are a lot of talk show hosts or just radio stations in general as long as they get their money
for endorsing the product they are satisfied.
It was refreshing to see that someone actually does try it out.
I wouldn't do it any other way.
And also I appreciate the way that you take on things that other people are kind of afraid
and stay away from.
I know.
I'm just getting to the point where I'm too old to care anymore.
I just thought the vampire thing was so interesting I thought maybe we could get some werewolves
Werewolves are hard, but I'm willing to try it.
Okay.
Alright, thank you.
Werewolves are hard now.
Vampires are easier.
Why would that be?
Werewolves may be... Any werewolves out there?
I would like to interview a werewolf.
I've interviewed quite a number of vampires, but I think never a werewolf.
Which could be also construed to be a shapeshifter, huh?
East of the Rockies, you're on air, good morning.
Hello, uh, is this Art Bell?
It is.
Yes.
Who would this be?
This would be, uh, Phillip from Granger, Texas.
Granger, Texas.
And where, where is Granger, Texas, pray tell?
That would be, uh, I think east of Colorado.
Around Texas.
Central Texas.
Central Texas.
When you said Colorado, you meant Colorado, Texas?
No, no, no.
Granger, Texas.
Okay, well, I'm confused.
Anyway, it doesn't matter.
You're down there somewhere.
How you doing?
Good.
I'd like to know, uh, you know, uh, what's your name?
Evelyn Slinsky?
Paglini.
Paglini.
Yes, my witch.
Yes, that was one of your best shows.
You liked that, huh?
Yes.
You should see the reaction I got to that.
Oh, I see.
I'm a blasphemer.
I'm going to burn in hell.
And so is she.
I see.
You can imagine that, can't you?
Yes.
As a reaction.
But you know what?
Yes?
I don't care.
I wanted to interview her, and so I did.
Oh, that was one of your best shows.
Well, that's one reaction.
I appreciate that.
But some of the other reactions, as you might imagine, were Horrific.
People were horrified.
How can you talk about witchcraft on the air?
What's the matter with you?
Don't you understand what's going to happen to your soul?
You're going to burn!
I don't think so.
I really don't think so.
See, that's my personal belief system.
I don't think so.
I don't think exploration of ideas, belief systems, magic, whatever odd I'm going to give you a little bit of a break. I'm going to
give you a little bit of a break.
I'm going to give you a little bit of a break.
Oh, where are you?
I'm in Portland, Oregon.
Okay.
Anyway, I wanted to ask you, I want to change the subject here a little bit.
Alright.
A while back you were talking about crop circles and stuff like that and magnetics and stuff like that that were found in the materials of the vegetation and stuff like that.
Right.
The molecular structure was changed and all that.
Right.
What they determined with regard to crop circles was that There were molecular changes similar to but not quite consistent with the molecular change you would get if you took some of those crops and put them in a microwave oven.
Oh really?
That's the closest they can get to it.
It's not quite the same.
The molecular change is different from that.
Yeah.
But I don't think that you get that kind of change from a couple guys with boards and chains.
No.
What about this?
What about if they take a like a magnetic type field, changed the frequency on it and
then did a bunch of things with it and made a disk that was the same type of deal like
magnetics or something like that and stacked them all up and then rotated them. I don't know.
What if they did? I'm not sure what you're saying exactly.
It would cause some kind of a magnetic type situation to happen and run at a different
frequency, really extremely high frequency. I would assume it would cause something like
that. Have you heard anything about that? I remember someone was talking about that.
No, I think you need to refine your theory a little. It's certainly an electromagnetic
effect that may be taking place, but who knows what it's from or where it's from or how it's
done. We don't know any of that.
Okay. Well, somebody got the idea or something like that and didn't somebody go ahead and
do something like that and spun it?
Put some discs on top of each other and spun them?
Like an electrical motor or something like that?
Okay, you're talking about... Oh, okay, alright.
Thank you very much.
You're talking about Doug Ruby.
And what Doug did was, he wrote a book called The Gift, and we interviewed him the other night.
In fact, twice now, last time along with Lin-Manuel.
And he spun crop circles, or the image of crop circles, to obtain a three-dimensional depiction of, well, actually a ship.
And he thinks the more complicated crop circles, the ones popping up now, are basically designs for the system to drive that ship.
And if you will look at the latest A crop circle that I put up on the site.
I scanned some pictures and put it up on the site.
You will see very clearly that what we've got appearing now here in America is very much like what appeared beginning in 89 or 90 in England.
The very simplistic circles that would seem to be what Doug Ruby Uh, defines as the beginning of the learning process, or in other words, how you would, for example, teach an animal to begin responding.
A dolphin was, uh, the, uh, the animal he referred to.
You would begin, uh, giving it simple hand signals until a line of communication was established.
And then, of course, once you had that, you could refine it and you could enlarge on it until you finally have a full dolphin show.
All based on hand signals.
In other words, you have established communication.
And Doug Ruby believes that these simplistic crop circles are the beginning of an effort to establish communication.
And it makes a very, very great deal of sense.
And I'm very much looking forward to Doug Ruby getting together with Linda Moulton Howe to see what comes of all of that.
And I suspect it will, because it's one of those things that's very, very difficult to put into words.
You're talking about a three-dimensional visualization, and you're trying to put it into words that will sink in on the radio.
That's hard to do.
In fact, very difficult to do, but somehow he managed.
And I'm looking forward to the result of that meeting, which I anticipate to occur soon.
Again, tomorrow night, If we get the number.
Daniel Brinkley.
Coming soon, Leonard Nimoy.
Star Trek's Leonard Nimoy.
Actually, he's done so very much more, but I guess to me and to many of you, he will forever be Mr. Spock.
Mooney.
I'm Art Bell from the high desert.
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I still get by, every time I think about it I want to cry The bombs and the dill, the kids keep coming
So when will we be ready in time?
Good morning from the high desert Are you on the web yet?
You better get up there before the life forms come I still want to see them, I'm doing alright
There's nothing left to do tonight It's so pretty, we all get to see it.
Imagine that, life forms on the web.
Maybe it's coming.
Maybe it'll be soon.
Maybe they're already there.
I have a very serious love-hate relationship with computers.
Right now I love them, by the way.
Mine are all operating fine.
I had my last struggle, you may recall, I don't know, about a week ago.
A week and a half ago.
And I am always of the view that I will either make it work or break it beyond all recognition.
And I've done that any number of times.
And so I appreciate the following Associated Press story.
This comes from Isquah, Washington.
I hope I'm pronouncing that.
Isquah, Washington.
Is that correct?
Associated Press.
A 43-year-old man was coaxed out of his home by police after he pulled a gun on his personal computer and shot it several times, apparently in frustration.
Sergeant, Police Sergeant Keith Moon said Thursday, Quote, we don't know if it wouldn't boot up or what.
End quote.
The computer in a home office on the second floor of the townhouse had four bullet holes in the hard drive and one in the monitor, according to Moon.
Please.
One bullet struck a filing cabinet while another made it through a wall and into a neighboring unit.
Nobody was injured but the computer.
Police had to evacuate the entire complex after 8 o'clock while they contacted the man by telephone.
He eventually agreed to discard the weapon and meet officers outside the building.
They additionally confiscated three guns and a knife, but the computer without question is dead as a doornail.
And... The man has been taken to Harborview Medical Center in Seattle for a mental evaluation.
But I suspect he's sane.
I think he's probably saying, there have been moments when I've almost shot my computer.
I've always held off from it.
You know, in my younger days, I would have shot my computer.
Now, I've developed more patience and respect for hardware.
And I understand that... But I also understand that level of frustration.
I mean, there you are, and you have some horrendous Windows 95 related problem that won't go away.
And you work on it for days and soon you're losing sleep.
And common sense begins to slip.
And you begin to view the machine as an intellectual challenge.
And soon an intellectual enemy.
And I can understand that you would snap.
Draw a large caliber revolver and simply put it and in effect yourself at the same time out of pain.
He did get four slugs into the The Hard Drive.
Which is, I guess, the equivalent of shooting it through the heart.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hi Art, it's Marianne in Clear Lake.
Hi Marianne.
Hi, um, I wanted to say something to you and then, um, when I'm finished, I wanted to, uh, ask you a question about the internet.
Okay.
Um, when you were getting upset a while back about I'm talking about vengeance and every night you'd come on and say that you wanted to get even and all that.
And then last night, and one time during that time you were saying that you said you would always be that way, which I looked at the radio and I said, I hope not.
But last night when you were asking, was her name Evelyn?
Yes.
And when you were asking Evelyn about this situation.
I completely disagree with the advice she gave you, so I'd just like to express that to you.
What do you disagree with?
Well, even though she knows what it is and I don't, it was obvious you were upset about something during that time, and it doesn't really matter what it is.
The fact that you would like to get even with this person, to me, it's kind of putting you to their level.
I don't care.
I know you don't.
I don't care.
I believe in revenge.
You better get out of the way because I'm going to come after you and I'm going to keep coming after you until I get you.
That's my attitude.
I know it's not Christian.
I'm caring about you feeling that way.
You've changed and grown so much in the last couple of years.
You're real different than you used to be and it's nice to to see that and to experience that on the radio, especially
of a male.
You know there are different conditionings we go through in life.
Some are the same, some are female, some are male.
In my feeling, the male conditioning is just what you are saying.
It's a heavy-duty male conditioning to get even.
All I'm saying is you need to let go of it.
If you can find some way within your heart... Not a chance.
Oh dear.
Okay, well anyway, I'm glad I at least said that to you.
My question is, I've been trying to move from California to New Mexico for two years and my house doesn't sell and hardly anybody's looking at houses.
Can you tell me who I would call or steer me some way to... I don't have a computer, but how do you put a house for sale onto the internet?
Well, knowing the Internet, there's plenty of places, but you say you're not on the Internet?
No, I don't have a computer or any of that.
Well, go to a friend who has one.
I've not investigated the real estate market on the Internet, but there surely is one.
Okay.
And if you just find a friend who's got a computer that works, I'm sure you'll be able to list it that way.
The Internet, of course, offers all kinds of unique opportunities because you can take a picture or pictures of your home and have those on the Internet.
But if somebody isn't a famous person and they're just a regular person out here and they have a computer and they're on the Internet, how will people know to go to look on their page for somebody listing a house when it's just on their page or whatever?
Uh, if you're looking for a house and you're on the internet, then you're going to go to locations where such things are advertised.
So I can't answer the question specifically because I've never been to such a site, but I can assure you they exist.
And if you find a friend with a computer, you'll find it.
Okay.
Thank you, Art.
Take care.
Yeah, sure.
The internet has unlimited Absolutely unlimited possibilities, commercially and non-commercially, and that would be one area because you could put photographs of what you're selling up there.
And I'm sure there are lots and lots of sites like that.
I was wondering earlier with Robert Anton Wilson about the Internet itself.
It's really intriguing to watch it and see where it's going.
Of course, we're right in the middle of that technology, and so it's kind of exciting to be part of it.
Now, you might take a look at my website.
It's one of the better ones, actually, on the web, and that's no thanks to me.
That's Keith Rowland, who's done it.
It's a magnificent site.
It's gigantic.
It's almost like an internet within an internet.
In fact, we've got what's called a search engine within our website.
So you can go in there and put a word in and it will take you to the appropriate place,
whatever you're searching for.
My website address is www.artbell.com.
Something I meant to do yesterday, I had a T-shirt that says www.getalife.com and then
somebody wrote me and said there's actually such a site as www.getalife.com and I meant
to take a look at it today to see what it was.
Maybe after I said it or wore that T-shirt they formed a...
Who knows?
Or maybe it was already there.
First time caller on the line.
You're on the air.
Hi.
Hi.
My name's Mike.
I'm in the wine country in Northern California.
Hi, Mike.
Yeah, I just wanted to call.
I wanted to say that show you did last night with Dr. Piglini.
Yes.
That was so cool.
It was excellent.
Well, that's one reaction.
As I said, I'm getting many.
Yeah.
Well, Mike, do me a favor and extinguish your radio, please.
Yes, sir.
It's really important to do that.
I wanted to ask you a question.
There's a portable phone in this.
Yeah, and it's not a VTech.
Obviously.
No, I wanted to ask you a question about, oh God, it was months ago with Major Ed Bain.
Yes.
And he had that deal with the remote viewing tape, you know, the correspondence thing or whatever.
Yes.
And I was wondering if anyone had gotten those and if they worked.
Yeah, I've got it.
Oh, really?
Yeah, so I guess they shipped out.
I've got I've got mine.
But you know, he sent me he did.
It's funny you should mention that.
He's he, you know, they're shrink wrapped, you know, you know, you get a video cassette and you have a cover for it and then you get shrink wrap over it, right?
And on the shrink wrap, he wrote to art bell number one of X number of thousands
right number one I got number one how about that and and so I'll be damned if I'm gonna wrap
I'm not gonna take the shrink wrap off it Now, he should have written that, obviously, inside before he shrink wrapped it, and so now it's a historic item and I don't want to take the shrink wrap off.
You couldn't tell me, huh?
Yeah, so I don't know what to do about that.
It's a problem.
Quite a dilemma.
Yeah, it is a dilemma.
Thank you very much.
I don't know what to do about that.
Number one, it's historic.
And I'm dying to see it.
But I don't want to, I don't want to take the shrink wrap off.
It's a real problem.
Wow, wildcard line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Uh, yeah, this is Paula in Kansas City.
Hi there.
And I've been really fascinated by the time travelers, and I ordered David Oak's reversing machine so I could tell which ones were telling the truth.
I've got all of them on tape from, uh... Yeah, what have you discerned?
Well, I haven't got the machine yet.
I'm supposed to get it by next week.
They kind of got back-ordered a little bit.
I imagine.
I've been waiting every day to get it, and, um, I will let you know I got the one From June 14th and the ones from the day before yesterday, I think you had them on.
I also wanted to suggest that it would be fun to have an alien line one night, so like extraterrestrial aliens.
Oh, I've done that many times.
Oh, have you?
Oh, hey, there are so many aliens out there.
And they have called in?
Oh!
Okay, the other thing I wanted to say about David Oates is I think it would be great if everybody just flooded the Boulder Police Department with requests that they get him on the case, because if they did, It would get into the major media about reverse speech and then maybe they'd have, like on CNN, We Can Reverse.
You're talking about the Ramsey Kisser.
Right, because that would get everyone's attention to reverse speech, like springboarded into the major media's attention.
if they brought david oaks in to review the tapes and you know they report
everybody they get on the case like dr henry lee and all that sure if they
brought david oaks and people like bretta van cistern would be saying well what is this
reverse speech and then the interview before they would ever do it though
on a high profile case like that or any high profile case
i mean look for example at lie detectors still not admissible basically in court
and uh...
uh... they've been around for how many years now you Years and years and years and years and still not admissible.
Whether it was admissible or not they could still go through the case to look for clues and then also it is speech so if they would get like other scientists to say like Richard Hoagland said it was scientific, he's a scientist and maybe run it by Dr. Henry Lee and see if they could get it admitted to let the jury Decide if what they said in reverse, you know, what weight do they want to give today?
Well, but see, there you are again.
Thank you.
It would not be admissible.
So you can't let the jury decide anything because it's not admissible as evidence.
So you couldn't bring it in the courtroom.
You couldn't present it to the jury.
You couldn't let them... It's just like a lie detector.
The results of that are not allowed to be brought into the court and presented to a jury.
So...
As much as I do believe, there is certainly something to reverse speech.
I definitely believe that.
I think that it's got a long way to go before you're going to see it used in a courtroom.
Maybe never.
East of the Rockies or on the air?
Hi.
Hi, Alex.
It's all right, Darryl.
All right.
Well, the number one requirement is to turn your radio off.
Sure, I have that off right now.
That's good.
Number two, tell us where you are.
I'm from La Crosse, Wisconsin.
Okay.
Well, you've got me, so go ahead.
I've got you.
I don't have Art Dell.
Yes, you do.
Oh, you're Art Dell?
Yes, I am.
Well, hi, Art Dell.
Hello.
How are you?
I was wondering about your book.
Yes?
Yeah, I was wondering about, you know, I've listened to you on and off, maybe, I don't know, two or three years.
Yes?
And I don't know anything about you, but I don't know what, what could you possibly, what could I possibly want to buy your first book for?
Well, you just answered your own question.
You don't know anything about me, you said.
Yeah, I know, and that's what I'm trying to find out.
That's what I'm trying to find out.
I've never heard you talk about yourself at all.
My first book is all about me.
What is it about?
A talk show host?
Yeah, it's called The Art of Talk.
Oh, yeah?
Yeah.
Have you ever heard of Tom Likas?
Um, Likas, Likas, Likas, Likas.
Tom Likas.
Did you say Tom?
Yeah, Tom Likas.
His name is Tom Likas.
Yeah, I talked to him.
I called him up.
He's on Sundays here in La Crosse, Wisconsin.
He's on Sundays?
Oh, is he a preacher?
No, no, no, no, no.
He talks about a lot of different things.
He does?
Yeah, and he told me to give you a message.
What's the message?
The message was that he told me to tell you that the moon is made of green cheese.
And he was wondering if you, I was wondering if you would be able to debate him.
You said he would debate you anytime.
I did.
I did debate him once in Sacramento.
Oh really?
And I ate his lunch.
Ha ha ha ha.
You're full of jokes, aren't you?
Uh, it was easy.
Hey, there's one thing I don't like about you at all.
My mom, you know that arthritis, uh... There's a few things I actually don't like about my son.
You know what you're talking about?
That he rebuilds cartilage?
Cartilage, yes.
Well, if that was the truth, I'm telling you my mom suffered for 20 years.
I have two sisters that are also suffering from it.
And if you can find a pill that will rebuild cartilage, that would be nationwide.
It is.
It is.
It was reported in the New York Times.
Well, I'll tell you one thing.
I'm going to call the Better Business Bureau and the FDA and find out.
And I'm telling you one thing.
You better not advertise it because I'm going to find out about it.
Goodbye.
That's it, huh?
Well, tell Tom I said his comment was cheesy.
And as for you, I advise you to look into that arthritis assist formula, chondroitin, as one of the ingredients.
And it's the New York Times that reported the breakthrough that allows the regrowth or the assistance of regrowth of cartilage.
So, instead of contacting the agencies you talked about, you ought to really look into it if you really are sincere about helping your family, which I sincerely doubt.
Yeah, like it's Sunday, so... He's a creature.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello!
Hi there.
Oh, I just want to make mention of the, uh, I don't know if you were able to see it last night, the shuttle coming in.
Um, I did not see it last night.
Of course, I saw the You know, the photographs of the shuttle landing, but I didn't see it come in.
What time did it come in?
Uh... Well, I'm in Paris, Texas.
Oh.
And it was about 5... I guess about 5.40, 5.35, it was overhead and it covered... Oh, man.
It was the first time I'd ever seen it.
It was beautiful.
Oh, it's astounding.
I wish somebody had called me.
Doggone it.
I didn't know what it was at first until I'd heard, uh...
On another station after you got off the air, they mentioned seeing a... That's what it was!
Yep, yep.
I've seen it once and it was the most astounding thing I ever saw in my life.
I'm sorry I missed it.
Darn.
You see, when it's early morning like that and the sun gets a chance to reflect on it, you really get quite a show.
Listen, I'm top of the hour and I've got to go, so... I appreciate it, but yeah, it's quite a sight you saw.
Any new news on Mir?
I'll let you know.
I let him know what he was doing and how much he was editing.
In the sky.
That's 702-727-1295.
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How many of you know what remote viewing is?
Hold up your hands.
I can't see.
and all right here's a surprise for you
how many of you know what remote viewing is hold up your hands
remote viewing uh... is the ability of a disciplined
psychic to see things at a remote location uh... in this time frame or forward or reverse in time
Thank you.
It is a disciplined psychic.
I guess that would be the best way to put it.
For 20 years the U.S.
government funded a remote viewing program and I personally think they still are.
But for 20 years they did.
Nightline did a 30 minute program on it one night.
And I have had, as a guest in the past, a man involved, actually many involved in that remote viewing program, the government's remote viewing program.
But as my most frequent guest, I would suppose, Major Ed Dames.
And here is Major Ed Dames.
Major, welcome to the program.
Good morning, Art.
Good morning.
Good to hear your voice again.
It's good to be here.
Okay, let's start with this.
There was an unfortunate delay in the issuance of the remote viewing tapes, but they're out now.
As a matter of fact, I was talking to your Vice President here a little while ago, and she said, you got yours, right?
I said, oh, I did, yes.
I said, but she said, well, you're way into it, right?
No.
It was shrink-wrapped very nicely, and on the front it said, number one of, I don't know, five thousand or thousands.
And I said, it's on the shrink-wrap.
I can't take it off!
If I take it off, I ruin a truly historic item.
And so, I have the tape, but I can't open it.
Well, you have a collector's item.
Speaking of collector's items, you promised me an Art Bell watch about a year and a half ago.
Did I?
I still don't have that watch.
Really?
So, if you want another copy of Module 1, there's some trading that's going to be involved here.
All right, well, I've got some watches squirreled away.
Oh, I want yours.
All right, I can arrange it.
Anyway, the tapes are in the mail.
We had to produce and distribute the tapes ourselves rather than getting involved in other avenues, and that led to a great delay and a lot of travail on our part.
That's good news for a lot of people.
And that is a way to... You're literally giving away the secrets of the realm.
Module 1 has been mailed.
Many people have that module already and others will have it within 24 hours, 48 hours.
That's good news for a lot of people.
And that is a way to, you're literally giving away the secrets of the realm.
How to remove you.
We are.
I didn't have time in making the tapes to stop and think too much about what the ramifications
of that might be.
But it's unnerving, almost a little bit scary now, think about it.
The cat is more than out of the bag.
Module 1 is an introductory tape, which just opens the door to these skills.
To make a slight correction about your definition of remote viewing, we are not psychics.
We're all of us who learn remote viewing, who learn this skill, avail ourselves of a birthright, an innate ability that we all have.
We just have not taken advantage of it in this era, and we haven't had the means to train it either.
We haven't had a model, so this is a revolutionary step.
Okay, but that's just a word.
I said disciplined psychic.
Okay, okay, I'll cut you some slack.
Remember a prediction you made about the A-10 aircraft?
We took on that project to find out whether or not the pilot had absconded with the aircraft, and that's the reason we did that.
And you said, though it was not something, and I remember that you said it was only 80 or 90 percent, I can't remember what you said, it wasn't a fully done project, you said you thought The pilot was dead.
We put a 100% probability, 100% likelihood on the demise of the pilot and the aircraft and an 80% likelihood on the location.
Perhaps he jettisoned his bombs in northeastern Arizona.
That may be why we swung on to that.
But the reason we did the project was to find out whether or not lives were in danger.
All right, so that was just a bit of a miss, but you certainly, you know, obviously the pilot is dead.
Interestingly, I haven't heard a lot about that lately, and it kind of all got quieted down.
It's like they had reached the location and confirmed the airplane or something, but they still hadn't, you know, taken down the remainder.
I'm not even sure what happened to that story.
It died, and I don't recall the resolution.
The 500-pound bombs, four of them have not been retrieved.
We can find those easily this time, and we can find it with 100% probability, 100% likelihood, a guarantee, but we have to turn it into a project.
That's about a week's worth of work we can have.
What kind of prompted me to give you a call, and I called Ed tonight at this late hour, was the fact that somebody wrote in saying a year ago on my program, and it is true, you made some tentative Findings with respect to the changing weather, Ed, and you said it'd probably be about a year before you could put your name to them as 100% probability, you know, the weather changes.
By God, we've been going through some really serious weather changes.
There's no question about it.
Now, I have no way of knowing.
You know, we have a short life as human beings.
Mortals come and go very quickly, and the weather's been around a long time.
So it could be cyclical.
Or not.
I have no way of knowing that, but what I do know is it is changing.
One day you said the jet stream will come down on the deck, and God, I didn't see a lot of weathermen across the country saying that exactly that had begun to occur.
The weather, the jet stream literally had come down on deck, and we were getting winds, tornado-like winds without tornadoes, and all kinds of weird things have been going on.
So, what can you tell us about the weather?
Well, there's some things that are obvious.
El Nino is kicking up.
And you can imagine what winter and next spring is going to be like.
Or you might not be able to imagine what it's going to be like.
A lot of cyclonic activity along the Atlantic seaboard, U.S.
Atlantic seaboard, major flooding, those kinds of things.
You can expect that.
And actually, we have described that as remote viewers.
But I think the real...
The predictive mark that we used as a milestone to discern the beginning of a global economic collapse, one of those marks has been observed.
The ground truth has been observed and that is that seabirds are starving along the northwest coast of the United States.
There's nothing for them to eat.
Now, about a year ago, this was one of the predictive marks, this was one of our data points that we had vis-a-vis the problem set of the next global economic collapse associated with that.
This was one of the milestone marks that we would see associated with that that would lead us to know When this collapse was beginning.
So in other words, there's an environmental milestone that marks the beginning of an economic collapse?
There's an ensemble of data points that mark the beginning of a global economic collapse.
Most of them are associated with starvation and weather.
Not necessarily in that order.
In fact, it's the reverse order.
Weather and starvation.
And that will lead to disease.
The stock market just went crashing through the 8000 point the day before yesterday, I believe.
I mean, remarkable!
that will eventually end up a global economic collapse well we clearly and and uh...
i think the better method that will be late spring next year
stock market just went crashing through the eight thousand day before yesterday i believe i mean remarkable it just
seems like interest rates are low
uh... the economy is chugging along They're talking about the deficit being taken care of by the strong economy.
The market's way up.
Interest rates are down.
Employment... And the flowers are changing color in New Zealand.
I beg your pardon?
The flowers are changing... Yes, the flowers in New Zealand are changing color.
Now what that means is that the ozone hole, and what scientists are about to find out, geophysicists are about to find out, is that the ozone holes are not simply polar.
There is, as I've mentioned before, a sort of metastasis, to use a medical analogy, going on in the upper atmosphere.
And that is, there's sort of like a cancer eating away at many different places in the Earth's atmosphere, not just the polar regions.
but i want to get back to new zealand well even before that you're right uh... there's a ozone
hole over russia now that's about twenty five hundred kilometers it's incredible
there are reports from the antarctic that single-celled animals are
now exhibiting genetic
change yet and and as i mentioned uh... last year that any
uh... that uh... and starfish are are dying off and and i the antarctic regions also because as i've mentioned their
export anything that is it in the developmental stages exposed to
direct sunlight
uh... so that's an eight for instance a frog's egg a fish egg uh... a uh...
invertebrates egg will not be able to withstand
the rapidly increasing ionizing radiation as a result of a degrading atmosphere and ozone layer.
So we've got a real problem.
And Louisiana is a good case in point.
The children have a play only in covered areas.
They wear sunscreen and sunglasses.
More importantly, the flowers are changing color rapidly.
Now if one remote uses, if they use technical remote viewing, turn one's attention to this,
then one can discern the reason why.
And that is that flowers, the colors of flowers, are there because they attract their pollinator.
Now bees and moths, moths in the nighttime, bees in the daytime, are the most common pollinators.
Bees have a polarized eye, and it's very sensitive to sunlight, extremely sensitive.
They use the position of the sun to navigate and to find their way to food, to flowers.
When that light changes and affects the very sensitive bee's eye, the bee can no longer navigate to its food source.
And so flowers that are capable are changing very rapidly because they generate rapidly.
They have to adapt to a new color that reflects light in a new way.
So that the bee can find the flower again.
And so the color of the flower must change very rapidly.
Okay, so is that then a good thing or a terrible sign?
In other words, you're saying it is adapting.
It's a bad sign because it can only adapt so far.
A point will be reached where the bee will be blinded entirely and not be able to find food in any case because the bee's eye, the insect eye, Can not evolve as fast as the flower can change color.
And so, the bees will no longer be able to find their food because it will be too bright in the ultraviolet spectrum for them to see.
They'll be blinded also, just as sheep in Tierra del Fuego are blinded now and walk off cliffs because they have cataracts.
So what happens when the bees can no longer... Then our pollinators will not be able to pollinate anything, any food crop.
tomatoes, apples, all your fruits, most of your fruits and many vegetables will not be
pollinated.
You can imagine how labor-intensive it is to pollinate by hand with a brush.
It's just not practicable.
That will lead to a lot of starving people.
Watch what happens in Eastern Europe this winter.
There is no more excess food.
There's no food surplus.
We could barely feed North Korea right now as you know North Koreans are allegedly starving.
We might be able to muster enough food together to feed North Korea, but we're not going to
be able to do that to Eastern European countries this winter and you're probably going to see
some cannibalism.
I'm not kidding.
Any idea, Ed?
My God, any idea?
You mentioned North Korea.
That's interesting because just yesterday, the day before now, North Korean soldiers crossed into the DMZ And got into a pitched gun battle with the South Korean soldiers, and there was even artillery, heavy artillery being used, so... Tactics of desperation.
If I were an Eastern European commander, and I had access to a nuclear weapon, as I mentioned I think once before, I'd point that at China.
And I'd call the President of the United States, and I would tell the President, I demand the following.
Foodstuffs, gold, etc.
in 48 hours or I'm going to launch this medium-range ballistic missile against China and that would put a lot of pressure on the United States from both China and other countries to deliver the goods on that kind of nuclear blackmail.
Those are also tactics of desperation and you might see something like that in the future because of weather and food shortages and leading to tactics of desperation.
Well, arguably, the first countries, if starvation is on the way, that are going to feel it, of course, are going to be the poor countries, correct?
Africa is, again, I've mentioned this before, will be the first and the hardest hit.
Yes, you mentioned that, Africa, that it would begin in Africa, in fact.
Yes.
What kind of timeline are we looking at now?
About seven months.
That's not a very bright outlook.
No, it's not.
We're looking here in Europe and in America, we're going to be facing some supply problems
in the late spring of next year, but Africa will face problems beginning in about seven
months from now.
That's not a very bright outlook.
No, it's not.
How much chance is there that you're wrong, that you could be wrong, that something else
could develop to change it and alter it and it wouldn't occur quite the way you're saying?
Let's see.
I'm willing to bet the bank that I'm right.
My reputation's on the line right now with your listeners, and I'm standing by what I'm saying.
I'm sticking my neck out, but I'm not because of the confidence factor we have.
We check our work a lot.
When we turn something into a project at SciTech, we check it out, we rework it, we double check it, we triple check it, and we stand by our data because it's a time-tested method.
So we're looking at 100% likelihood. 100%.
With the remote viewing tapes on the way to the public, or already there, there are going to be people who, hearing what you're saying about this, are obviously going to target the same thing.
They can't do that with Module 1.
Module 1 is an introductory tape.
It just teaches you the beginning flying lesson, so to speak.
Module 2 is a four tape set, and that's for people who seriously want to learn this, because this is not a pill that you take to sit back and it happens to you.
It's a skill, and it needs to be learned.
You've got to sit down and do it.
Now, it is exciting.
All right, and hold tight.
We're at the bottom of the hour.
We'll come back and cover all that in just a moment.
from the high desert, Ed Dames is here on CBC.
I see dreams of green, red, blue, I see them blue, from the hills and I think to myself, what a wonderful
I've seen it bloom For me and you
And I think to myself What a wonderful world
I see skies of blue And clouds of white
And the light that's the same The darks they deny the truth
And I think to myself Watching every moment
As my good love began All is dead and gone
All that's there is hope to find that love of love's place.
Suddenly I return to see the faces now Watching in slow motion as you turn around and say
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This is the CBC Radio Network It certainly is. The following just faxed to me from United
Press International you
You're not going to believe this in view of the discussion we're having at the moment with Major Ed Dames, SciTech's Major Ed Dames.
That's a private company, by the way.
He's retired from the military now.
At UPI, a large-scale campaign to combat a swarm of locusts is underway in northern Kazakhstan in an effort to protect grain and other agricultural crops in the region.
A recent spell of hot, dry weather has created ideal conditions for the insects which move in swarms and devour, get this, nearly all agricultural crops in their path.
The TAS News Agency reports that around 3.75 million acres of land planted with wheat, barley and other grain are now being ravaged by the locusts.
All available agricultural machinery in the area has been mobilized to combat the insects TAS says a total of 865 tractors, 24 planes, 7 generators have been spraying pesticides from early morning until late night over the past few days.
In addition, 17 Delta Wing aircraft have been provided by the government, each of which can spray over 1,000 hectares of land per day.
There are reports of locust swarms in other areas of Kazakhstan, and if the reports are true, experts are predicting this year's grain harvest will be severely affected.
Normally, Kazakhstan expects to harvest around 14 million tons of grain per year.
Is this the kind of thing you're talking about, Ed?
It is, and there's another case that your listeners should know about, and that's Madagascar.
Presently, on the island of Madagascar, there are two locust swarms, huge locust swarms, converging on each other, one moving from the north to the south, and the other in the south moving north.
But because Madagascar is a lesser developed country, and not economically important to those of us in the west, there's little news about those locust swarms.
I have friends in Australia and New Zealand.
When I talk to them about the ozone problem there, they're very matter-of-fact about it.
I mean, it's just an absolute rule.
Schoolchildren do not go out without protective headwear and shielding from the sun.
It's just an automatic thing.
They don't do it, and they're used to it.
And to them, at this point, it's ho-hum.
They say, oh yeah, you know, that's the way it is down here.
You just don't do it.
And that's simply not widely known here.
And eventually we're going to have to spend much more time inside.
Much more time.
And as remote viewers, as technical remote viewers, we proceed a decade and a half out where not many people are on the streets because of the severity of the ozone problem and the massive loss of despeciation on the planet and the massive loss of life in some countries.
Let me ask you about A selfish thing.
I live here in the desert, as you all know.
And we have a hot, blazing sun.
Summer has finally come.
I didn't think it was going to, but it's now finally hot.
And we get into triple digits, 110, 113, 114.
And the weather forecasts now are regularly giving the UV index, which has been 10, 10, 10, 10.
On a scale of 1 to 14.
Yeah, it's been 10.
That's pretty high and I'm afraid to go out and sunbathe.
Don't do it.
In fact, in a couple of years, you're going to be wanting to migrate vertically down where
it's cooler.
As long as you have fresh water and you have a sun...
If you've got...
Actually, as I've mentioned before, one of the nice things about having TRV as a skill
and a tool is to identify food sources when all the food is dying.
That's true.
And chlorella, as I've mentioned, as bad tasting as it may be.
is really the fundamental food source of the future.
A lot of people verified that after you said it.
Chlorella apparently grows with very little sunlight or no sunlight.
No, it must have sun.
It must have sun.
In fact, it flourishes and thrives in high sunlight and UV.
But we don't, so our potential food source We will thrive in conditions where we will come out only at
night or live underground.
You're going to need fresh water, though, and you're going to need some type of a pilot
plant.
Communities will probably need to invest in the technology that allows them to produce
chlorella for themselves because I don't think that logistics will be that dependable in
the future.
Is it like a green goo or what?
It doesn't have to be.
It can be pressed into tablets or cakes, sort of like solvent cream.
Cakes?
Yeah.
Chlorella burgers?
Yeah.
You'll need about 10 or 15 grams of protein, which represents about 80 to 90 small chlorella pills, chlorella tabs.
Great.
Yeah, but it'll keep you alive and quite healthy.
Oh, great.
But fresh water is going to be a problem.
All right.
If the weather is changing, Ed, then what about this question?
If the present farm areas or, you know, farm belts here and in other countries are no longer tenable, will there then be other areas that will become tenable?
I'm not certain.
I'm moving to a place personally where I know at least Food will grow quite rapidly near the equator.
In the northern and southern latitudes where the wind speeds are very high and there's more exposure to direct sunlight, that's where the problems will lie.
There are areas of the world where in tropical regions, if they remain tropical, food grows rather rapidly.
In volcanic regions, for instance, Volcanic soils are extremely rich.
Yes.
Extremely rich.
That's true.
I had Linda Moulton-Hale on one day, and I'm not going to be able to remember this properly, Ed, but she documented a mountaintop, I think back in New England somewhere, where they had this incredible 200-and-some-odd-mile-per-hour wind.
They measured it.
Mount Washington, probably.
And it blew for like half an hour.
The entire building Uh, they were afraid was actually going to be blown away.
Suddenly, the wind stopped totally dead and reversed course.
And they had never, ever seen anything like it, ever.
And we're just getting all of these unusual weather reports, and it's the one thing that you've said in the past that just rings so true.
That it's underway right now.
Where are we in the cycle of this occurring?
I will tell you where we are in the cycle for those of you who are familiar with some basic mathematics.
If you're familiar with a logarithmic curve, a natural e-curve, it doesn't look like a regular curve, a mathematical straight line or a bell curve.
It stays flat in time and then does a little dog leg and goes almost vertically up, almost vertically up at about a 90 degree angle.
We're just about at that dog leg right now.
I know what that means is we're in the past, the past being the last couple of decades or so.
The geophysical parameters of the earth have changed ever so slowly.
The changes have started.
What I mean by the changes, two specific changes.
The ozone is the disappearance of the ozone layer and the degradation of the Earth's magnetic field.
Both those things are happening concurrently.
In fact, there's evidence that leads my company to think that loss of the ozone problem may be aggravated by some other geophysical parameters.
Let me read you another fact.
I've got one short paragraph from Keith in Magnetic Volcano.
He says, Hi, Art, Magnetic North is now developing a rhythmic two-degree east wobble
and I've been noting this since mid-spring time.
That's it.
And he's reported on this again and again and again to me.
But a two-degree east wobble?
Well, this leads us to a discussion, perhaps, of what in the past
SciTech has called a discontinuity.
And this thing that we could not discern, that's so difficult for us to understand.
Actually, something that you couldn't see past, as I recall, that you said might be some sort of spiritual event, but you couldn't quite discern.
That's correct.
So I stand corrected on that.
It is not at all supernatural.
It is geophysical in nature.
Oh!
Yes.
And so we've done a lot of work along those lines.
I don't think I should get into the physics now of that, but it is not a supernatural event.
It is strictly geophysical, and it happens all at once.
It's sort of like the effects on our bodies are almost like rebooting a computer.
Reset?
Sort of.
Sort of resetting.
Almost like degassing momentarily and starting all over again.
I'll get into the physics behind it some other time because I want to walk you through that
process so that your listeners aren't frightened.
Is it sort of a natural, as in nature, reaction?
For every action, I'm told there is an equal reaction.
Is that what we're looking at, basically?
I think it's actually a cycle, a cyclic thing.
It doesn't appear to be a reaction in the way that our ecology is reacting to our ill deeds.
It appears to be a natural cycle, but I'm not certain of that.
I am pretty sure about the Are you able yet to see past it?
We are, but we can see past it.
We can discern two very critical things.
One is that these changes, although they do not affect human beings permanently, there's no permanent damage to us.
There is some very, very catastrophic effects on the earth itself.
I'll talk about that some other time.
After the earth reestablishes equilibrium or homeostasis, something else very significant happens, and that involves another race.
Another race?
Yes.
Another race of beings?
Yes.
That suddenly appears here.
Did you by any chance, of course we just went through this whole Roswell debacle, and just prior to the celebrations, I guess is the right word in Roswell, the Air Force had this news conference.
Did you see it?
I don't usually follow those things except in the newspaper, but I'm aware of what happened, the crash dummies, those kinds of things.
Oh, it was particularly numerous, actually.
Roswell, let me ask you about it.
You have targeted Roswell, have you not, in the past?
Yes, we have.
What happened at Roswell?
There was a very, very advanced race.
The so-called Grays, as I've mentioned at one point, They appear to be real, they are not figments of someone's
imagination or angel bees or anything else like that, very advanced ways, perhaps 100
million years ahead of us on an evolutionary scale.
There was a crash, but it was an orchestrated crash and the bodies were really there and
the debris was really there for about two earth hours and some of the debris and some
of the body loaded onto vehicles.
And then a very interesting thing happened.
All of a sudden, memories got fuzzy, and people couldn't remember what they just did.
That would be the time compression the Colonel talked of.
I'm not sure of what others... I can only relate to what our TRV data indicates, that this race that engineered this, after they allowed it to happen, went back in time and stopped it from happening.
So all of the physical evidence Disappeared.
Disappeared.
That's right.
I remember you saying that before.
But because mind is outside of the space and time, the memory of the event is indelibly etched upon all the participants in that event, and they will go to their graves believing that they really touched bodies and debris and those kind of things.
And in fact, they really did.
But there is no debris, nor could there ever be, because the event didn't happen.
It was changed.
So for that part of time, there are two pathways.
One in which the event happened and one in which it did not.
What will happen?
I'm trying to touch as much as I can.
It isn't very long until a race like ours really does have, can move in time.
And we're not talking about too many more decades where traditionally something like this could happen.
So if you're dealing with races that are many hundreds of thousands or millions of years ahead of ours, this is no big thing.
All right, Ed, I interviewed Terence McKenna, brilliant guy in Hawaii, and I gave him the classic line.
I said, well, if there is time travel, then where are the time travelers?
Mr. McKenna's response to that was, I thought, brilliant.
He said, at the moment time travel is invented, they'll be here.
What would your response to that be?
In other words, if there is ever to be time travel, then where are they?
SciTech has a capstone project.
It's called Project Starman.
And it deals with those kinds of issues.
And I'll need more time to go into that with you.
But it does deal with that.
All right.
Space.
Mir is just one catastrophe after another.
The Mir Space Station.
Have you looked at that at all?
No, we have not.
You have not, alright.
One other presently ongoing thing, as you well know, there has been a fashion designer murdered in Miami, Gianni Versace, and he is thought to have been murdered by a serial killer.
Now you said you were kind of moving away from this kind of work, and this is very recent, so I don't know if you've done anything on this or not, but I've got to ask.
We have not looked at that, but we did send a report to the DA's office in Colorado on the JonBenet Ramsey murder case.
We had so many requests to look at that.
We decided to, you know, how we support the validity and the power of PRV as a tool by doing these flagship types of projects for the public, for the public service, and so we did that.
Alright, um, these TRV tapes are getting out, uh, then the next series will get out, blah blah blah, and pretty soon there will be thousands, tens of thousands, or more people, uh, able to technically remote view.
And you said you haven't had a lot of time to think about the consequences of that, but now, no doubt, you've had a little time to consider that.
What are the likely consequences of so many people being able to do this?
Good, bad, what?
I have to think that it's positive, only positive.
In terms of survival, I know it's positive.
People will be able to discern.
Those who rely on others who are skilled in TRV or who practice TRV themselves are going to be able to discern what it is they need to do to survive.
That's pretty much a step in evolution.
We can't evolve.
Unless we survive, so that's a very positive thing.
If it's used ethically.
That's correct.
Unfortunately, when I look about at the population today, I don't have a high confidence level that many are going to use it ethically.
Do you?
I think I can only speak for myself and others that I've trained and and say that your priorities change once you begin to do
this.
You just can't look at the world and yourself in it the same way anymore.
What you thought you might want to have done yesterday may change very quickly when you
begin to look at this.
In other words, the very process itself changes you.
I think so.
We are going to schedule a show maybe next week or so, and this has been a great hour
to sort of just catch up on a few things with you.
I really, really want to thank you for coming on with actually no notice whatsoever.
Let's schedule a show next week, okay?
Okay, will do.
Major Ed Dames, thank you.
My pleasure.
Good morning.
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He's a remote viewer, in case you've never heard one before, and now you have.
And I hope you're still basically intact.
But that's one view of what may lie dead ahead.
Depends on what you believe.
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Once again, here I am.
Good morning, everybody.
Somebody writes, Art, you coward!
Ed Dames made a specific, 100% certain, totally loony tunes prediction of a plant pathogen deliberately seeded by the maker in arriving in Africa in the spring of 98.
Why didn't you ask him about that?
Well, I didn't have to.
He talked about the starvation, and he said it would begin in Africa.
Obviously, that's what he was referring to.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to divine that, and his prediction remains constant, near as I can tell, beginning in Africa, in exactly that time frame.
Isn't that what he said?
It's the way I remember it.
I'll tell you what, we will make available, if you want it, the two-hour program we did with Robert Anton Wilson on tape, or the hour we just did with Ed Dames on tape.
Now, whether it's that or the Evelyn Paglini program yesterday, or any other program we do with a guest, you can get copies.
Let me give you the number.
It's 1-800-917-4278.
That's 1-800-917-4278.
hundred nine one seven four two seven eight that's one
eight hundred nine one seven four two seven eight they do maintain a library
of uh... guest appearances that we've had here and they do them up right uh...
They're on high-quality tapes with digital mastering.
They eliminate the news, commercials, and what you get as content.
So again, that number is 1-800-917-4278.
They're good and high-tech about it now.
Somebody called about werewolves earlier and said, why don't you ever get any werewolves?
Gary writes to me the following art, minor problem with werewolves.
It is currently a full moon?
The werewolves have all changed, and they're out peeing on trees, marking their territory.
I should have thought of that, Gary.
I think it's not quite a full moon.
I've always done that.
I go outside.
To me, when I go outside and the moon looks full, it's a full moon.
Now, technically, it may not be.
I'm not exactly sure.
Maybe it's tomorrow night.
Or whatever, but for the next night.
But it's full to me.
To my sight, it's full.
Somebody out there can no doubt fill me in.
I think it's pretty much full.
How's this for synchronicity?
Uh, Daniel Brinkley's birthday is July 20th.
Really?
July 20th.
That's pretty synchronous, isn't it?
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
Good morning.
Hi, this is Steve.
Hello, Steve.
Where are you?
Utah.
Utah.
And I'm a time traveler.
You are?
Yes, I am.
From when?
Year 2012 is when I entered the machine.
I can tell you a little bit about the circumstances that got me here.
Alright.
Basically, right now I'm 26 years old at the time and we ran into a bit of a problem.
I was a computer programmer who programmed a machine which was built in Salt Lake City,
near Salt Lake City, Wendell Range actually.
It was a massive worldwide investment.
It was created essentially as a massive computer which has the computer capacity to do anything
pretty much.
You know, it's interesting that you should mention, in other words, it was done, in essence, with a computer.
Is that correct?
Yeah, it's actually a five-story complex, which is about three acres, and it's extremely powerful.
Another reason I give some credence to what you're saying is because IBM actually is working right now on the transportation of matter.
They actually are working on that.
There's all kinds of stories.
You can go look it up.
IBM is really working on that.
Teleportation.
And so, it might follow that what you're saying would lead to a form of time travel eventually.
Was that the genesis of it?
Well, the machine is actually self-learning and self-replicating.
Well, 2012 is a particularly interesting year to have come from.
very little technology uh... essentially rebuild itself according to
uh... we have four thousands and thousands of programmers working around the
clock this is in the year two thousand eight when it finally
became operational but wasn't involved in time travel at that time but uh... well
twenty twelve is a particularly interesting year to have come from uh...
without risking a paradox can you tell us
generally what was going on there okay that's the problem which i'm running into because we're
we've sent uh... approximately ten uh... my colleagues from scientists
and we were sent back and and we we assume that there's five different timelines
which you can be sent back in And I was sent in a timeline essentially to research what happened.
What do you mean what happened?
Well, because the year 2012, Something strange happens within the time the time machine was actually operated, when it first became operational.
Within a month, we were the experimenters to go back.
And the problem I ran into, when I went to Salt Lake City, I didn't find a single scientist, which I knew, many of my knew for years, I didn't find my family.
And I'm not listed anywhere on the entire Uh, birth records of my original birthplace.
Oh, boy.
So I don't know what's going on, but, uh, for the most part, everything seems the way it seemed like a long time ago.
Well, are you stuck here now?
It appears so.
What can I say?
Is it like being stuck with a bunch of barbarians, compared to the way it is in 2012?
Most of it is, um, Actually, no.
It's far more civilized now than it is then.
I'll tell you that much.
Great.
Is there much that you can reveal to us about the immediate future without risking paradox?
The immediate future?
Well, there's a recession in 98, 99.
There's a massive computer problem which results in Basically, a worldwide collapse near the year 2000.
I know that sounds cliche and all, but essentially things go really skewed from there in all directions.
The rich get super rich and essentially isolate themselves.
The world goes through many, many changes, especially around the year 2010 to 2012.
December 2012 is when I entered it.
So then it's really not such a bad deal that you're out of there?
Yeah, but I'm scared because I'm essentially living under a new identity here, and I don't know what's going on because nothing which happened in my past from the future is actually happening now.
In other words, you appear to be in a different timeline.
It appears so, but it's very, very similar.
Very similar, except the differences are very minute.
So then, what are you going to do?
Are you going to settle down and simply make yourself a life here?
That's what I'm doing at the present time.
I guess there wouldn't be much choice.
Gonna stay in Salt Lake?
I'll stay here and I don't know what the purpose is from here on in.
I guess just to sit around and observe what happens.
Wait till the year 2012 and see if anything happens then.
Wow.
I appreciate the call and I'm sure we'll hear from you again.
Take care.
There's a time traveler.
ask and ye shall receive.
I don't know what to make of these people.
Could it be?
It could be, yes it could be.
Reject it all out of hand?
No, not me.
Could be.
He sounded pretty sincere, didn't he?
You know, interestingly, the method that he talked about that brought about time travel,
we have the genesis of that right now.
You may choose to believe that what he said was total bull, but the fact of the matter is, IBM really is working on teleportation.
Did you know that?
There are a number of articles you can read about it.
And how big a jump from teleportation would it be to time travel?
Wouldn't the technology that leads to one lead to the other?
Fascinating.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
It's Josie from Richmond, Virginia.
Hi, Josie.
I was interested in hearing what Ed Baines had to say.
Of course, always him.
But I wanted you to know that I had a conversation with a person involved with dairies.
You know, he talked about the babies dying.
He talked about babies dying.
Yes, as a result of the needles.
From the cows giving the BGH to the cows.
That's right.
Well, this dairyman said they do not transfer needles from one cow to another.
It's just like humans.
They use one needle and then they throw it away.
So that... Well, yeah, but wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
With regard to human beings, if that had always been the case, we wouldn't have experienced the spread of AIDS the way we've had it.
So, you can't flatly say that all dairymen are that careful.
Well, this is what he said.
You could say it's a general practice.
Yeah.
Because that's what they do.
Yeah, but all it takes is one or two mistakes.
Well, he just said they use one needle to each cow because, after all, this is their business.
This is important that they not have cows die on them and so forth.
on them the other thing
it was you alluded to it that the said that the button and the big button
that man that would be a pilot for the airplane that went crash
uh... that the crash site with over arizona was really wasn't colorado
district wrong on that one
uh... but uh... i don't think i'll be reading the fact that i mean i don't
know if he isn't however
are real doctor doom at the other remote viewers have called him over the years
there is a book out by a change novel on remote viewers and i don't know if you've heard of the
book It's in paperback form now, and a friend of mine alerted me to this book.
What's the name of it?
I think the name of it is called Remote Viewers, and it's by James Snobble.
S-C-H-N-A-D-E-L, I believe is how you spell it.
It's in Barnes and Noble and every bookstore, and they, uh... I, I, absolutely... Well, Ed Dames has been... Look, look, I've had I don't know how many remote viewers on, and they all criticize each other.
It's like ufologists.
They all criticize each other.
Oh yeah, I'm sure, but this was not a remote viewer.
This was a man who did research on remote viewers, and of the all right nobody knew who talked to the uh... less than
fully amazing randy and he'll have a lot to say about it all the other you know
there's as many opinions out there as there are barriers
yeah well that's true too uh... i i don't know if it's going to be a better world and
it's uh... but i do think you're right that we have a ozone problem we
have to be doing something about it and we don't seem to do it fast enough
and uh...
Some things are quite clear.
I mean some things really are quite clear and it doesn't take a great stretch of the imagination to see that some of what he's talking about, if something doesn't change, could come to pass.
Exactly.
I do agree with you.
I wish you would ask him further about I'm going to have to fax you some more questions to ask him.
She's going to have him on again because it would be interesting to hear some of the other, you know, more details about Mars, more details about some of these current mysteries that are going on.
I would like you to ask him one thing.
My brother was killed on the Liberty and I called you about that once.
And we always want to know why Israel did it, and Israel always refused to say that it was anything but a tragic accident, which we know was deliberate.
I always want to know, the crew wants to know too, why did Israel actually attack it?
It is my view that it was deliberate.
Thank you.
I think there is no question about it.
Not in my mind.
It was deliberate.
Read the book.
And I think there's no way you can come away with any other view of what occurred to the Liberty.
No way.
Now there are probably many things that we don't know.
And it's not like our behinds are that pure and we may have been up to all kinds of no good.
I really don't know.
But with respect to whether or not it was deliberate, I think there was knowledge and it was deliberate.
That's my view.
It was too extensive, too ongoing, Anyway, I don't want to get into a big debate about the Liberty.
That's something we can do on another night with a guest.
First time caller on the line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Yeah, hi.
I was wondering if Ed Dames was still... You cut out there, if Ed Dames what?
If he's still putting out those packages for the remote viewers, or if you can't get those... We covered that right at the beginning of the...
At the beginning of the hour.
I'm sorry, I just got out of work and I only caught the last part of it.
Okay, the answer is they've already shipped out.
Well done.
Alright, thank you.
Yes, sir.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hello.
Art Bell?
That's me.
I was listening to your show last night with Dr. Paglini.
Yes.
You had a gentleman caller describe to you a situation where he I actually saw a glowing orange light.
That's right, yes.
I'm sorry, this is Chris from Anchorage.
Oh, hi Chris.
Yes, yes, I recall the gentleman.
Okay.
I saw a glowing orange light.
It wasn't in my home.
It was outside during a very windy, stormy night in March.
You're the first person I've told this to because I feel rather silly.
This is not something I'm accustomed to having happen.
Well, then it must be comforting for you to know you're not alone.
It is.
It's comforting.
Actually, it's kind of alarming.
Well, these things are real.
People don't like to talk about them because they're criticized and ridiculed when they do.
Uh, look at poor Francis Barwood down in Phoenix.
But, uh, the fact of the matter is, these things are real.
They really do happen.
So, I think that's why, um, this is a home for that sort of thing.
I mean, you're not laughed at here.
I would laugh at you.
Uh, you saw glowing orange light?
Sure.
Well, the situation, it was a strange situation because I don't normally, um, stay up late in the evening when this happens.
Listen, I've got a break here.
Do you want to hold on?
Sure.
She's in Anchorage.
She's holding on.
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Say nothing But don't say goodbye
Ah, here's one of my favorite people in all the world.
Crystal Gale.
Good morning, everybody!
Maybe I'll... Maybe I'll make this my country music camp now.
You gotta go see this lady live sometime.
And they are.
Oh boy, are they ever.
This lady is something else.
Good morning, Kristen.
Anyway, uh, back to this young lady in Anchorage, Alaska, and an orange, an orange, well, an orange what?
Um, I'm going to say it was an orange light.
Okay.
It was hovering probably about five feet from the ground.
Large?
Art, it was probably the size of a beach ball.
Maybe a little larger.
You know what a lot of people would say?
They'd say, ball lightning.
We don't have lightning in Anchorage.
It's a good point.
If we do, it's a rare occurrence.
Pretty rare.
You have a lot more northern lights than you do lightning.
Northern lights are in the sky.
They're not hovering five feet off the ground.
That's a fact.
Alright, what did it do?
Well, it hovered for quite some time.
Um, my first instinct was to turn away and then take another quick glance to make sure that what I saw was actually something real.
Mine would be, if you'd get me out of here.
Um, that was my first feeling, but then, um, you know, you always want to take that second look to make sure that you're okay.
Yeah, that's true.
And, um, it's an interesting Well, thank you.
of events that went from there, because that had me reeling.
I started looking for ways to explain this, which led me to trying to find my own spirituality.
Within probably six weeks of seeing that, I discovered your show and have been listening
to your show ever since.
Well, thank you.
There are many more things that are apparent to us visually, more things than we can touch,
that are nevertheless real.
I'm wondering what this is.
I don't know.
I've got to be honest, I have no idea.
But I appreciate your report and you know what will probably happen.
We'll get a lot more reports now.
You're not alone.
I'm not sure what explanation Evelyn gave last night because after hearing that gentleman Describe what he saw.
It took me out for a few minutes, but I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
I bet it did.
All right.
Thank you very much.
We'll get more reports like that, I'm sure.
And you know why you don't hear about it or you don't hear about it elsewhere?
It's because when people come forward and say something like that, what they usually get is laughed at or made fun of or ridiculed.
And that's hard to take, and so you tend to keep your mouth shut.
Well, I simply don't do that.
And will not.
Maybe that has to do with the fact that I've met up with a few things in my life that I flat can't explain, and probably never will be able to.
But there's a lot more apparent going on than the scientists can explain, or the philosophers can tell us about.
You might get out a recorder.
I get so many requests for this.
I am a deep believer, I think, in reincarnation.
And there is a song that I found some time ago that seems to be all about reincarnation.
And I get so many people asking me to play it.
So it says, A Country Half Hour.
And I'm going to try and dig it out here.
It's by Chris Christopherson.
I get so many requests to play it and I obviously can't stop a talk show to do it that frequently, but every now and then I can.
It's a very special song to me and to a lot of other people out there.
Here I am talking about it and I can't find it.
I actually got to interview Willie Nelson for five hours one night.
We've got to do that again.
Willie Nelson is an American original.
But there was this song not widely heard for some reason.
And it's a very special song to me.
I don't know why.
It just is.
It's haunting.
It's always affected me the same way every time I hear it.
It's done by Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, and chris christopherson and it's called the highwayman and uh... in fact that was the group the gang the highwayman and what you need to do is sit down and listen to the words listen very carefully uh... to the words whether you're a believer in reincarnation or not the words are absolutely haunting so listen to this it's it's it's
It's incredible.
I was a highwayman.
Along the coast roads I did ride.
Sword and pistol by my side.
Many a young man lost their bottles to my trade.
Many a soldier shed his lifeblood on my blade.
The masters hung me in the spring of twenty-five.
But I am still alive.
I was a sailor.
I was born upon the tide.
When the sea I did abide.
I swirled a spoon around the Horn of Mexico.
I went along with Pearl and Basil in a float.
And when the yards broke off they said that I got killed.
But I'm living still.
I was a dam building.
Across the river deep and wide.
Where steel and water didn't collide.
A place called Boulder on the wild Colorado.
I slipped and fell into the wet pond deep below.
They buried me in that grave tunnel that knows no sound.
But I'm still around.
I slipped and fell into the wet palm tree below They buried me in that grave tomb that no one knows of
But I'm still around I'll always be around, and around, and around, and around
I'll fly a star ship across the universe divine And when I reach the other side
I'll find a place to rest my spirit if I can Perhaps I may become a highwayman again
Doesn't that sound about right to you?
the the right to you
i uh... years and years ago uh... i fortunately i the way i ran into that
was on a taped i think it was uh... mtv uh... many years ago there
was a video done with that song which by the way was very good
And I happened to catch it.
I don't know how, I just happened to catch it.
And it haunted me.
And for years and years and years, I wanted to find Good morning, sir.
in some other venue other than on a videotape you know from mtv or whatever
it was and i finally ran across it uh...
on cd and that song has always haunted me and i i suspect always
will west of the rockies you're on the air good morning
good morning mr bell this is robert in the san joaquin valley hey there
good morning sir good morning i love that song yeah me too
take a look at the name of who wrote the song There's quite a story in how he got together with him to make that song.
Is that right?
Yeah, if Willie's listening, I've got a suggestion to make, Art.
What?
I think that I watched a program on PBS about building the dam in Colorado and the story behind it along with the other stories.
I think that those four men, they could make a movie of that.
The building of that dam?
No, of the four In each of their stories, it's in that song.
And put it all together.
Yeah, they really could.
They really could.
I've got to talk to Willie again.
That was really a fun interview.
That was a neat interview.
I loved it.
And when I talked to him, when you had him on, I asked him about coming here to the San Joaquin Valley.
Tell him that Garth Brooks is coming back again in August.
I still want Willie to come here because we'd love to have him here.
It's a funny thing about country music.
When I was young, I always hated it.
You know, it was rock and roll forever.
Rock and roll or die, right?
And then one day, they sent me into a country station.
I was starving to death, you know, so I had to do what I had to do, and I went to work in a country station.
And I was bound and determined that I was going to hate every minute of it.
And it slowly started to grow on me.
Can I tell you two other things?
Yeah, sure.
First of all, a dear lady from Lake County was trying to sell her house.
Yes.
I understand that there's a couple of big realtors nationwide that guarantee the sale of a house for a good price within the time frame.
That's true.
I've heard their ads.
Yeah, me too.
But she had a good point.
Maybe she wants to sell it herself and avoid the 6% commission.
Uh, the Internet's not a bad idea.
I mean ultimately that's going to be a great place to go shopping.
The fellow they called the time traveler from 2012?
Yes.
He sounds pretty credible or he's just a damn good actor, but if he's listening I'd like
to suggest that just so he understands I know what I'm talking about.
Back in the 70s, it's no longer top secret, but there was an analytical program which
through computers was called PROSE with the United States Army and TRW.
Well, the funding wasn't there.
The Army discontinued it, but the program would have basically represented mathematically the problem solving, which would normally take about eight teams of mathematicians many, many weeks, like eight to twelve weeks to solve one problem.
This program could solve in a matter of seconds.
It has progressed, and if this man, if he really has accomplished what he says, what he needs to do Between now and the year 2012, he's not going to get his answers in Utah.
In Las Colinas, out of Dallas, Texas, IBM has their offices there, which, in the building, which is high security on each floor.
You know what I'm saying about IBM is correct.
Yes, well, I know.
And he needs to contact them.
He needs to appear to present his case to them.
I don't know if everything he said is true.
You know, if I was him, I think I'd do what he's gonna do, and that's just lay back and enjoy the years and the life that he's got left.
If what he says about the future is correct, I'd just... I think I'd just hunker down.
2012 may be the end for him, then.
Well, that's my point.
In other words, if what he says is true, let's just sit down and enjoy life.
Right.
Gotta run.
Okay, thank you, sir.
Thanks, Robert.
Take care.
Uh, first time caller online, you're on air.
Good morning.
Hello there.
Hello.
Yes, Art.
Yes, that's me.
My name's John.
I'm in Kansas.
Hi, John.
How are you?
Pretty well.
Okay.
I would really appreciate your thoughts on a theory that I have regarding light speed.
And that would be that E equals MV squared, not MC squared.
V for velocity, or what?
V for a variable, not a constant.
Variable.
What evidence do you have that the speed of light is variable?
Okay.
If you were to look through, like a Hubble here on Earth, at an object a great distance away, whether it was the moon or another object, and you could see, for example, light traveling at its speed from the moon would take a little over a second.
But if you could see the surface of the moon, your vision, by being I'm going to go ahead and put it on the screen.
If you can see something on the surface of the sun from here and see it as it happens,
a hundred million miles away for example.
If you were to... But you can't see it as it happens.
You can only see it at the speed of light.
At the speed of light as it is delivered from the surface of the sun to you.
Well, but if you... That is a constant.
But if you look through Hubble... Let's say you look through Hubble at the moon and there was an astronaut waving at you on the moon.
Yeah?
Would you not, if you had enough power behind your sight, Be able to see him wave as he waves?
No.
Not later?
No.
No.
You could only see him wave after the appropriate interval dictated by the constant speed of light.
It's not a variable.
Okay, then that means if you're looking through Hubble at an astronaut and he waves, then what you're seeing is the past.
That's correct.
As dictated by the constant, which is the speed of light.
Okay, which means... I'm not saying that they're... Listen, I appreciate that.
There's no point in going further down that road.
It's a constant.
You can't substitute a V there without coming up with more evidence or chain of logic to support it, and you have not done so.
The power of the tool that visualizes makes absolutely no difference whatsoever.
You will simply see a better image of something occurring At a very fixed time from the moment it occurred, depending on the distance, is dictated by the constant speed of light.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air, good morning.
Hello, Mr. Bell.
Yes.
This is Jayden.
Where are you?
Oh, usual place, Minneapolis, Minnesota.
Okay.
How's it going?
It's going.
Alright, good.
I just called to tell you, You mentioned earlier about witches calling in and someone wrote to you, I believe, saying that you were going to burn in hell.
Oh yeah?
Yeah, I just called to reassure you that that's not going to happen to you.
Well, it might.
It might?
It might.
Well, I don't think so.
I mean, you can't rule anything out.
I may scorch in hell.
You know, I may be down there shoveling coal with a pitchfork in my butt.
I seriously doubt it.
You know, I rather hope not, but I mean, I don't rule it out.
Well, many religions happen to believe that hell is really not that bad.
Well, now you appear to be agreeing with me and suggesting that I might not mind my stay so much.
Not exactly.
I'm just telling you that because... To make me feel better.
Yeah.
I should say that.
All right.
Thank you.
Thank you, Art.
I can't hardly believe I made it in.
I know.
know. We're about out of time here. West of the Rockies, you're on the air. Hello.
Thank you, Art. I can't hardly believe I made it in. Well, you just about didn't,
actually. I know. A little earlier you had a lady call in and was referencing
the Liberty in 1956.
Yeah, we're not going to have time to get into that right now.
Let me see how quick you can go.
go real quick here let me see how quick you can go you got about 20 seconds I
was on the America when that was hit and the reason that they hit that they hit
Liberty was because she was transmitting confidential information that the
Israelis did not want to put out Well, that's what I was trying to say, that we were not necessarily pure in that, but they certainly weren't either.
And in my opinion, it was absolutely intentional.
Look, show's over, gotta go.
You get the honors.
Tell them goodnight.
Outstanding.
Well, from the trucker in California that listens to you every night, goodnight world.
Have a pleasant day.
Yep, that's it.
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