Evelyn Paglini, a Genesian pagan natural magic practitioner trained by her grandfather—a 60-year magus—debunks Satanic ties, explaining color psychology (red for energy, blue for healing) and karmic consequences for misuse. She critiques Hollywood’s The Craft exaggerations, warns against Ouija boards (90% risk of harm), and justifies Art Bell’s potential "deadly magical force" in self-defense. Callers share past-life regression, cursed dolls, and benevolent discarnate entities, while Paglini links psychic energy to spiritual balance, offering The Quickening as a guide. Magic, she insists, is divine but demands discipline—misuse invites karma, possession requires cultural tools, and even pets sense supernatural loss. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you good evening, good morning as the case may dictate, from time zone to time zone, stretching in the west from the Tahitian and Hawaiian Island chains eastward, over flyover country, many of us, to the Caribbean and the U.S. Virgin Islands, south into South America, north to the Pole and worldwide on the internet.
This is close to close a.m.
Good morning, I'm Mark Bell, and I want to serve you to notice at the beginning of the program that what we are going to discuss is without a doubt going to disturb some people.
And so, as you hear what the content of this evening's show is going to be, if you are one of those people, go turn your radio off.
Dr. Paglini, for lack of a better term, is a witch.
And in all the months and maybe even years of searching that I have engaged in with regard to this sort of topic, I have never, until Evelyn Paglini, Dr. Evelyn Paglini, have I run into somebody that I consider to be the real McCoy.
It occurred toward the end of one of my shows in which I typically would reach out and try to find somebody who is a, I think my words were, broom-riding cauldron-stirring witch, you know, the real thing.
And I would joke and say the kind of witch that you would find squished under Dorothy's house, perhaps.
Well, obviously those are stereotypes that don't necessarily fit Dr. Evelyn Tiglini, but I can assure you, ladies and gentlemen, that you're about to hear the real McCoy.
And so those of you who are reborn, those of you who are devout Christians and feel that your sensitive ears would be offended by what's coming, you should extinguish your radio or change the channel.
And that's really an honest and fair warning I'm giving you.
I understand there will be some people disturbed by this.
So leave.
So that's what's coming up here shortly.
Now, I've got one thing that a couple things I need to cover up front with you this night.
One is, we have heard about, in fact, we talked with Mary Ann Koch.
You may recall Mary Ann Koch.
She is the person who found the Salem-Slayton, Oregon Crop Circle.
And we had a diagram of it, but nobody has had a photograph of the Salem-Slayton, Oregon Crop Circle until now.
And I want to thank Mary Ann Koch for sending me probably nigh on to about 30 aerial photographs of this crop circle in Oregon.
And I want to stress to you that what you're about to see, in my opinion, if you will search back in your memory and recall the show, multiple shows we have done on crop circles, which are fascinating things, with Doug Ruby and Linda Moldenhow,
you will perhaps recall that in the early 90s, maybe even as early as 1989, a more simplistic crop circle formation began in England.
The crop circles in England became increasingly complex as the years went by.
If you look at the exclusive picture that we have on our website tonight of this incredible Salem-Slayton, Oregon crop circle, provided by, thank you very much, Mary Ann Koch, I think you will find that it bears a shocking resemblance to the early crop circles in England.
And so it may well be that what began as a lesson in England, and with the exception of people like Doug Ruby, went unrecognized for what it is, has now begun here.
And we have the proof.
So I suggest you go up to my website for a couple of reasons tonight, but one, to see two separate photographs that I chose of this incredible crop circle.
The lesson is beginning in America, and I've got the proof.
The exclusive proof.
The web address, if you have web TV, not you ought to have, or you've got a computer, you know, whatever way you can manage to get up there is www.artbell.com.
That's www.artbell.com.
Second item, our Tri-Cam, studio cam is back in normal operation this evening.
And you can see me, if you so desire, sitting here doing the program, and it's going to be a particularly interesting program.
So if you go up there and you click on the studio TriCam, you'll actually sit there and, you know, every 30 or 45 seconds, the photograph will refresh in a new sort of technology that provides an extremely high-quality photograph.
It is not streaming video, but rather a series of extremely high-quality photographs.
So you can go up and take a look at that.
We received, and I say we, my wife and I received, a very unusual box earlier today, today.
And along with it, in this box, with many, many things that we will talk of, a letter which said, Dear Mr. Bell, I have sent you an arsenal to help you achieve your goals and protect you and those you love.
Please give me a call at your convenience.
There are so many wonderful tools to assist you and with meditation visualization, candle burning, imitative, and sympathetic magic.
All you need is the power of your mind.
The essential oils have been blended and energized according to the formulas passed down to me.
Hope your lovely wife enjoys some of the scents in the massage and bath oils.
Also, the sacred silver sage smudge sticks are an excellent cleansing tool that black salt and sulfur can protect and purify.
When you're ready to learn a little about natural magic, please call me.
Me is Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
Or should I say that's who she is.
Mr. Bell, if you took outer limits one step beyond and more, you might have an idea of my childhood and upbringing.
A psychic, parapsychologist, doctor of divinity, founder of the International Psychic Center in 1972, a research and investigative organization.
I don't belong to Gardnerian or Saxon or some of the other sects of Wicca, but I practice natural magic, and I am a Genesian, which is another pagan religion that is very much into natural magic.
And so therefore we use similar tools as those that are practicing forms of Wicca, other forms of voodoo, or Santeria.
Most pagan cultures out there have got, let's say, the same basis of understanding once they get into magic.
Well, if you put on something, the color of red, or if you manifest the color of red in your mind's eye, or if you use a candle and you focus your attention on the vibration of the color of red, what you will do is you will revitalize, rejuvenate, and energize yourself.
And so therefore, that evening you can go out and have a wonderful time feeling fine and refreshed only because you've tapped into that particular vibration.
believe it or not, red is the strongest vibration in the spectrum of color.
If you want to attract money, if you want to attract success, better business, growth, if you want to bring something to you of a prosperity, then you use the color of green.
If you want to stimulate the intellect, if you want clear-sightedness and good imagination and inspiration, then you would tap into the color of yellow.
And if you want to bring a lot of peace and love and harmony within you, within your family, within your home and your environment, then by all means use the color of pink.
Okay, you can put it in your environment as an accent.
And you can also do a meditation and a visualization using the color of pink as a candle and using maybe a little bit of attraction oil so that you can magnetize to you, to your environment, and to your family, some peace, some love, and some harmony.
Everyone has latent psychic ability and intuition.
But there are some people who have been born into a family, and it's hereditary, as mine is.
There are others out there who just have, maybe from a past incarnation, the ability to have a sixth sense, second sight, sensitivity, insight, and an affinity toward natural magic.
They know what tools to use.
They know what herbs to use.
They know what essential oils.
Your wife, for instance, immediately went for the salt.
Well, I have some stories that I will tell you and others about my wife.
She is a very, very, very interesting person.
But there are, I might as well, before we get into any of the heavier stuff, I would like to hit you with what you're going to be hit with anyway, Evelyn.
Sure.
There are going to be those who, despite my early warning, will continue to listen and will be calling in anyway, and they will tell you that what you are doing has nothing to do with God.
What you are doing has everything to do with the devil and the dark forces.
And that you probably ought to be put on a pile of wood and burned.
In the beginning, yes, but not later, especially when a particular priest, Father Brocklow, came in and got acquainted with my grandfather and understood exactly where the spirituality and the essence of God force was in our lives.
Well, first of all, I can understand a person thinking that when you're dealing with witchcraft or Satanism, that that would be a part of the devil only because of their misunderstanding.
I believe in God.
I know that my power comes from God.
I know that there are religions out there that would prefer to call it the goddess.
I think that if you study religions and if you are spiritual, you get to a point where you realize that there is only one religion and there is only one source, and that source is God.
And the gifts that he has given me, as well as he has given to other members of my family and so many countless of other people out there, has nothing to do with evil.
But that does not mean that there are not other forces out there, that there are not other elementals, that there are not familiars that you can create, that there is not evocation and summation of beings that you can tap into.
But again, depending on what you are doing, why you are doing it, and who you're going to do it for or to is going to make the difference.
Well, the color black can be used to remove a negativity.
In other words, when you think of evil, when you think of the darkness or the dark side, the only color that is representative universally is the color of black.
And so therefore, when you want to deal with the removing of or the placing on, depending, remember knowledge is a double-edged sword, then you would use the color of black, whether it be in a black candle or whether it be in an image candle.
Yes, an image candle is a wax figure in the shape of either a male or a female.
And what it does is it presents or represents a subject, an individual that you are going to work on, be it yourself, another family member, a friend, a colleague, or even someone who has done you an injustice.
And so depending on the color of the image candle, what you are doing is making a representation or an effigy.
You're going to consecrate it in the individual's name.
And then after saying a few words, it becomes that individual.
And therefore, what you do to it is done to that person.
It's been underground for many, many centuries only because of the misunderstanding that it causes.
And today we are going back to natural magic.
We are trying to get back in touch with nature and the elements, getting closer to God and to Mother Nature.
And so therefore, it is having a revival.
We are now talking about, again, the seers and the sorcerers and the ancient magicians and the tools that they used.
You're seeing shows that are now coming on TV as well as in the movie that are now finally bringing to light what the seers and the magicians were there for.
They were there for counsel, they were there for enlightenment, and they were also there for magic.
I began talking to my audience about a movie a couple of months ago that I got to see early, earlier than when it hit the pay services and that sort of thing, called The Craft.
No, when you have numbers, especially if they are all honing their talent and concentrating it as a laser beam, very definitely it can become extremely powerful.
Now that again depends on those individuals, the path they are walking, and the training they have had.
It is very similar because what you're doing is you are trying to concentrate your mind's attention and focus it on an effigy that is a representation of the person.
And to go back to sympathetic, they want something that is in sympathy with the body, that which is close to the body, that has the essence, the sweat, the pores of the body.
When you put the two together, imitative to look like, sympathetic that which belongs to, and then you consecrate it in that person's first and last name, you have got exactly what you need, the tools you need, to affect what you need to affect on that particular subject.
If you are trying to do something good, this can be a tough question to somebody, affect them in a positive way, or you're trying to affect them in a very negative way, do the powers to achieve these two very different goals come from different places?
Because of justification, the right word that you used.
You are never going to, at least if you are walking in the light, if you are walking in balance, and that's what really power and knowledge is really all about.
Let me digress a minute.
My grandfather always said to me, and he drilled it into my head, it's easy to be good when you don't have the tools to do otherwise.
Knowledge is power.
It is a tool.
And it is the hand of the wielder of that power, whether it become positive or negative.
So the power itself is neutral.
Now, if you have a person who has done you an injustice and you are innocent, harmed a person and your family, harmed yourself, done something atrocious, naturally what you're going to want is revenge.
But let's say you don't know for sure if it is that particular person.
Well, you never want to harm an innocent individual.
So what you do is you put in a safety factor.
That safety factor is that it only goes back.
That's the mirror.
That's the boomerang.
It only goes back to the person who was the perpetrator.
In other words, don't send it and you won't receive it.
Yes, you will pay the price karmically either in this lifetime or in another.
What you have to understand, it is your soul that is important.
And so therefore, when you gain power and you gain knowledge, you are tested.
You are tested if you are going to use this acquired power in a negative fashion in order to subjugate another individual or in order to harm an individual because of the whim of you.
That's when you are out of balance and you will pay.
We're going to leave that for now and come back to it.
And I have lots of good reason to be coming back to that.
We will get back to it.
But let's take something that's in the middle for a second, Evelyn.
Sure.
Let's say that somebody wishes financial gain.
Now, let's say you do magic that will achieve for yourself financial gain.
Father Malachi would say you would become, at that point, the perfectly possessed.
I'm sure you heard him speak of that.
Yes.
And that many of the successful people who have money and fame and riches have it because they are perfectly possessed, a state from which they will not recover in this lifetime, according to Father Malachi Martin.
This, however, or seeking this, would seem a far less drastic thing than seeking revenge or seeking to do evil against another person.
So what would you say about somebody who seeks riches or fame or whatever it is they're after?
The meek means that just because you have the abundance doesn't mean that you're going to get on an ego trip and that you are going to, again, inflict your commands or demands on another only because you have the power to do so.
That's the test of the soul.
God is very wise.
He gives people wonderful tools and then he sees what you do with them.
We have free will.
Easy to be good when you don't have the tool to do otherwise.
It is, and I want to warn you once again, those of you joining at this hour.
We are discussing witchcraft.
The craft.
My guest is Evelyn Paglini.
Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
So I warn you.
If you're sensitized to this sort of thing or offended by it, please turn your radio off now because what we are going to discuss is going to disturb a number of people.
Again, I want to tell those of you who have joined at this hour, we have exclusive photographs now of the Salem-Slayton, Oregon Crop Circle.
If you would like to see what appears to be the beginning of the teaching in America, much as it was early in England with regard to crop circles, I suggest you meander on over to my website, which is not the one written on my t-shirt.
My t-shirt says www.getalife.com.
It's white on black.
It's www.artbell.com.
And you will marvel at this particular crop circle.
It's just like the ones that began in England, and we have exclusive photographs of it, thanks to Mary Ann Koch, and you'll see credit given to her there.
I scanned those photographs literally hours before we went on here.
So as promised, she delivered about 30 aerial photographs of that crop circle.
Thank you, Marianne.
All right.
This is going to get to be fairly heavy as the evening progresses, and you are going to get an opportunity to ask a question.
Evelyn, somebody has sent me the following.
It is sort of a, it's a pentagram, I suppose, within a circle, north, south, east, west, and it says, Art say hi to my sister, meaning you, Evelyn.
It says, now is the time, now is the hour.
And it shows the north, south, east, west directions.
There are many times a person will use a chant and a vibration in order to call down a cone of power.
They will use symbologies, they will use sigils, they will use a pentagram or a hexagram or a circle, especially if they're doing evocation and summation.
And yes, chanting does occur.
Also, when you consecrate instruments, you will also at times use a chant.
My wife is an interesting individual, and I want to cite several instances to you with regard to things she has done, and just simply draw from you some sort of honest conclusion and say, as you will, what you will after you hear what you hear.
And I think one of them, or perhaps two of them, you've already heard about.
When I originally decided that I was going to move from Las Vegas simply because it's becoming very crowded, I looked for property out here in this little desert community of Perrump.
The first property I looked at, I'm a ham operator, I like high places.
So I looked at a hill, which just happened to be over the hill in Clark County.
And it was way up high, and kind of rocky, but way up high and overlooked the entire valley.
And I thought, oh, what a cool place, you know, to live.
And I decided, I started to buy the property.
Now, one of the considerations in being that high was where to find water.
It was completely undeveloped land, Evelyn.
And we used to come out here and sort of sit on the land and contemplate the land and whether we were going to buy it and how we would build and where things would be, you know, the way couples do when they're trying to figure out where they're going to live.
She did this made up with coat hangers, nothing more.
And she came out one day and she spent a good 45 minutes.
The developer was there with me.
It was really a funny thing.
The developer was there, and my wife spent about 45 minutes walking the land, walking the land.
And in the oddest place, in a lower left-hand exact corner of the property, she said, here's where the water is.
And she stood there, and we marked the spot.
Well, as it turned out, Evelyn, we were not able to obtain the property.
Clark County threw up all kinds of flood studies and things that had to be done, and they got so in our way on the project with bureaucracy that we finally said to hell with you, and we came into Nye County where things are saner and built here.
But two or three years later, Evelyn, I drove by one day that property, and by God, it was being developed.
And here was this rig drilling for water.
And I'm telling you, on this acre-plus piece of land, they were drilling exactly where my wife had put the spot.
And bigger than, heck, they hit water right there very easily.
Early in our relationship, my wife delivered the following items to me all kind of lashed together in a package.
She delivered to me a package of forget-me-not seeds, a small package of Hawaiian hazelnut coffee, one small pair of handcuffs, little thumb cuffs, left as a gift for me at a certain place.
And I looked at this, and at the time I had no idea who it was from.
I'm not going to give out her secret, but that is part of when you want to attract a particular person's vibration and bind them to you in their heart.
And she took this doll, lockstock box and barrel, out to the dipsy dumpster we've got out there, threw it in, and proceeded to use all of our house salt and covered this doll in salt.
They're all purifiers, and what they do is they set up barriers so that that which is negative either cannot get out or get in, depending on which way you are placing it.
So she was absolutely right.
She picked up the vibration immediately that there was something negative and evil involved in this image Tao, and she wanted not to allow that vibration to get into the home.
And it could have, even though it wasn't intended for you.
I have many artifacts in my altar room that have been given and sent to me only because they have had a curse placed upon them, and they can wreak havoc in a person's life if they are not attended to or destroyed.
Again, referring to the movie The Craft, I recall one portion of it where there was a room in a bookstore past which nobody was invited until toward the very end of the movie.
They are rooms that we all can have a temple or a sanctuary or a church.
It is a place where you go and you do your spiritual work, whether it is work on yourself or your loved ones or others.
And what you do after a while, because you have consecrated and you have cleansed and you have energized that particular area, it builds up its own vibration and power.
So it is again another source of power.
Just like when you go to a church constantly and you pray, that is sacred ground.
Just like the Indians have a sacred burial ground.
It is because of the rituals they have performed and the spirits of their ancestors who stay there and guard it.
All the same.
Not so different.
Every culture has their altar, their temple, their sanctuary, their church.
You can also create a familiar using a thought, becoming a form, and then sending that familiar in whatever disguise you have made it, meaning animal, okay, or bird, and you can send it out to do your bidding.
That if a particular individual that belonged to that society stepped out of bounds, it was usually the cat or the spirit of that animal that did the work to put the person into silence.
Art Great Show tonight, predicted will go down in the archives as a classic.
Have two important questions for Evelyn tonight.
I doubt the majority of people will want to hear them.
And again, that reminds me, if you are offended by the kind of discussion we're having this night, turn your radio to another station or off or go watch TV or something.
We're talking about the craft.
I'll be up front with you.
The craft.
Evelyn, might as well get in trouble right now.
This comes from a listener.
If you could say something to the Ralph Reeds, Jerry Falwell's, Pat Robinsons of the world, what would it be?
That they have not achieved a true level of spirituality.
Otherwise, they would know that they're like there is only one race, there is only one God.
And just because there are differences in cultures in the names or the way that they worship that God doesn't mean that those people will not find the same place in heaven as they are.
The more knowledge that people have, in other words, there are a proliferation of excellent books that are out there that are now giving exposure, and these people are taking and gaining this knowledge, and again, they are being tested.
And unfortunately, they are failing to test.
And so, yes, in that instance, there is a growing concern that negativity is on the rise because of the usage of the individuals That are playing with it.
They, soul-wise, are in ignorance and unfortunately are being handed weapons that they should not and cannot comprehend.
They are coming from prior existences, not only on this plane, but on other planes, other planets, and other dimensions.
Also, on this plane of existence, there can be an interim or a time span before that soul will incarnate again.
Some will incarnate very rapidly, sometimes within just a few years.
Others will take a hiatus for maybe 100 to 500 or 1,000 years.
You will choose the time, the environment, and the parents, and the economic situation that will afford your soul the best opportunity to fulfill its next charge.
There was another movie, and I refer to movies because it's something the audience can identify with, and I can.
I mean, you are into things so deeply that we could get beyond their ability and my ability, for that matter, to comprehend what we are discussing.
There was once a movie called The Seventh Sign with Demi Moore.
And its basic contention was that the number of souls are finite, and that when the last soul incarnates into a body, the guff, or the place where the souls are kept, would be empty, and the end of all would begin.
It's like many times when you are reading the Bible, you find that there are levels of awareness and there are riddles that are put in that you have to decipher depending on the consciousness or the level of awareness of your mind.
And what it's saying is that when all of the souls have incarnated and lived this particular existence, then life as we know it and as the world knows it ceases to exist because now we go on to another dimension and to another realm and another existence is there we're dealing with physical here.
In other words, is there a time when in effect, well, I recall, for example, the Rancho Santa Fe suicides in their suicide note, they suggested it is time now for their graduation.
Graduation, an interesting term.
Is there a time when you do not once again incarnate, when you are done, when you have graduated, when you are finished?
It depends on the school of philosophy or thought that you follow.
Many believe that once you have achieved a particular level of awareness, you may choose to come back and walk the land as a teacher, as a savior, as a guru, as an enlightened master in order to help others to that stage of enlightenment.
Others feel that they will go to the beyond, another dimension, if they have fulfilled all that is there, then that what they have done has become of the oneness again.
First of all, you are able, and I have seen this, I was a young girl, about 19, and I went to a woman who was very, very powerful, very magically inclined.
And what she did is she took a dish and mentally with her mind, she teleported or threw it, okay, up against the wall and it naturally smashed into many pieces.
And then with the power of her mind, she gathered them back into its original semblance.
What she did, which always stuck in my mind, is that even though when she brought all of the pieces together, she turned to me and she said, but only God can make it whole.
I have had many guests and much evidence presented indicating that for some odd reason, occasionally souls appear to get trapped on Earth in some horribly repetitive, frequently repetitive motion.
And it's hard to tell whether we are seeing a soul which has not left this plane yet, damned to repeat something again and again, or whether we are seeing some sort of weird echo of what was repeating again and again.
And I could give many, many examples.
The people of San Antonio, Texas well know, for example, that there was a, I'm going to give you an example, there was a school bus full of children years ago that was caught on a train track and a train came along and smashed into this bus, killing all the children.
And this has been tested again and again and again, Evelyn.
You can go to this crossing, stop your car, put it in neutral, and just sit there on the crossing, and something, some power will push your car,
and the people down there know this is true, off those tracks and off that crossing, and they have gone so far as to sprinkle a powder on the back of the car, and what they end up with, after this car has been moved off the tracks by some unseen force, are the marks of children's hands on the back of the vehicle that has pushed it out of the way.
The one part of this that I've never quite understood in struggling to understand whether a soul is really trapped here or whether it's some sort of strange echo is, for example, somebody who will have unrequited love, is just deeply, passionately in love in the most desperate way with somebody,
perhaps love not returned, and whose life is taken at that moment of passion, would appear also to remain trapped.
Now, that person has not done evil in any way that I can discern, and so seemingly repetitively doing something again and again and remaining trapped on earth, that seems like punishment of the damned.
And yet this person has not really done anything evil, so why are they stuck in that way?
I know from those spirits that I have made contact with, and one was something very similar to that, the energy and the desire to stay with that loved one was so great that they would not allow themselves to turn to the light.
In other words, when that which came for them to help them cross over, they refused.
Their energy was so strong that it kept them earthbound and therefore trapped them.
And I'll tell you the only thing I thought of, because I had a lot of my own clients ask me why this could happen.
And I said, only God in His wisdom would understand.
Maybe there is lessons that not only the individual will learn by her actions, also because that soul has touched many, many individuals worldwide, not just nationally.
And it is all in how those people around are affected and how they react to it.
There are many times a tragedy will happen to a person because it is the will.
And it is how do other people's reaction to that act affect their soul and their growth?
There are two ways to vent anger and hatred and the feeling for revenge.
One is the obvious with the physical, and the other is the kind of work you do.
Now, as we move to discuss the darker side of things, is it possible, let me reform this question, Evelyn, in my own way.
I discussed with the audience some weeks, or was it months ago now, an event in my life which was very extremely traumatic.
In other words, without giving details away, somebody came at me or my family in a way as to do us deadly harm.
And I spent a few nights talking about revenge on the air, something the audience didn't understand because they don't understand, nor have I been able to explain to them what occurred.
And I still cannot explain to my audience what has occurred.
The day may come when I can do that, and I certainly will at that point.
And I have a lot to say about it.
My lips are sealed at this moment.
Suffice it to say, somebody has come after me in a deadly way.
And I have reason to want possibly deadly revenge on this person.
And I have confided in you what this person has done.
You know what it is.
And I guess I first would ask you, after consideration, whether you feel that what I explained to you, what I told you about, is sufficiently dastardly to justify the use of deadly magical force against this person.
All right, we discussed earlier karma and that if you do a negative thing to somebody without justification, key phrase, without justification, we'll come back to you times 10.
If this person has harmed you in a deadly, unforgivable manner, and I am not a forgiving person, I am a person who comes back at whoever comes at me.
I've done that all my life, Evelyn, one way or the other, in the physical or if it can be done elsewhere.
It doesn't matter to me.
I don't turn the other cheek.
And I don't allow people to tromp over me.
In this case that we are now discussing, you know I am not going to allow that to occur one way or the other.
You know, I've done a couple of columns on that particular subject in newspapers, and the Ouija board is, again, not a toy.
It is not something that should be for entertainment because it is another tool where you are opening up the door, and you, again, can get more than you bargain for.
Now, those people who are trained, who are sensitive, they can receive information that can be extremely beneficial.
In fact, one person was given a warning and stopped a very, very serious crime from happening.
But 90% of the time, it is the average layman out there that is playing the game and usually getting hurt because they have absolutely no training.
And they open up the door and they allow spirits in, low-entity beings that are just looking for a receptacle.
I warn people all the time, do not have a seance for the fun of it because you want to contact your old Uncle Charlie.
Because you may not get Uncle Charlie.
And if you do not have a bona fide trance medium with the knowledge of how to conduct properly a seance, you are putting yourselves and any other person in that room in danger.
Because they can take over your bodily functions and your vocal cords.
Because you are inviting them to do so.
So yes, you must be very careful when you are dealing with spirit communication on any form.
Are you dealing with a low entity being or spirit, meaning one that has held human form?
Or are you dealing with a hierarchy, a supernatural being, one that has not held human form?
Because based on what you are dealing with and based on the background of that individual or that spirit or that being, then you are going to pull down specific powers.
Now, if it is Christian, then they would respond to the crucifix and holy water and those prayers.
But if they do not belong to that culture or religious persuasion and they belong to another, then you must use those artifacts, those gods, and those spirits, okay, that they are indeed familiar with.
And what would, for example, I know you cannot be specific because every case is specific, but just as a discussion example, holy water or a cross might not work, but what might?
There are certain seals, certain sigils, and there are certain elementals, and there are certain beings that you can call upon to assist you.
Just as they would use a crucifix and holy water, there are certain tools and artifacts and herbs that we can use.
As well as them calling down the source of the Jesus Christ consciousness power, there are other spirits and beings whose names we have that we call upon that will do the job.
If somebody who senses that they are a natural comes to you and wants instruction, not necessarily for positive reasons, but like those young ladies in the craft, the movie The Craft, they want to pursue the dark side and they're upfront with you about that and want your guidance.
If a person came to me and was very upfront with me and said, I want to gain this knowledge or this power so that I can use this in order to subjugate other individuals.
Not a chance.
Not a chance.
There are many others that will.
Go and find them.
I will not.
That is not the way I was taught.
That was not the way I was raised.
And that is not the way I believe.
And I cannot give the kind of power and the kind of knowledge that I have acquired to someone that is not in balance.
In the figure in the middle of the altar, depending on the culture, may have been a demigod or a spirit that they are calling upon for guidance, assistance, energy, power.
I'm receiving bulletin information right now on a breaking news story.
ABC News and others now are reporting that the Mir space station has lost synchronicity with the sun and is turning away from the sun.
The Russian news agency is reporting that on the Mir space station they are losing almost all their electrical power and the temperatures have begun to drop on the space platform.
This is potentially a serious or fatal problem with Mir.
So we're going to continue to follow this story.
Or here's another, the 12 midnight Pacific news break on Cairo in Seattle.
Another station, not mine in Seattle.
I'm on KOMO and KBI.
Nevertheless, reported a mini story about Mir.
Evidently, it's lost its fix on the sun, no longer is charging batteries.
Oxygen lights and communication equipment are the only things still powered.
So we will follow closely that breaking news story because we are live.
Instead of some sort of repeated, regurgitated, recycled repeat, we are live.
And if necessary, we will turn to continuing coverage of that program.
He goes on, how about those who use the occult in their pursuit of international trade deals, sell access to information pertaining to national security and trade policy, which can severely damage a nation's sovereignty?
In other words, they're asking, is your view purely globalist, or would such an action as selling one's secrets, the secrets of one's nation, be an evil thing?
That is not acquiring or attempting to acquire prosperity or money or better business or recognition or fame in order to help your loved ones, your colleagues, and mankind in general.
In other words, I said before, God doesn't want you to be poor, but that doesn't mean because you have riches that you are supposed to use that in order to inflict pain on others or cause them or jeopardize them or put them in danger.
It's, again, once you acquire the tool and you know what it can do, how do you use it?
That's where the evil or the Satan comes in and tempts you.
You're not tempted unless you have the power to do something.
I am 16, and I just recently started, you know, I just started dabbling in some of the lesser workings of what some might call the occult, you know, the tarot and, you know, palmistry and stuff like that.
Originally, I was just doing it as a means to get attention at my school.
And the first reading I did was for my mother.
And that really turned me onto this whole thing because it was just so clear.
And so my question is, you know, now that I'm winding into some of the deeper stuff, there's not too many covens around here.
There's nobody to really tutor me.
So with the stuff that's in bookstores right now, could I possibly, is there anything I could gleam off of that or is that just a lot of runaround?
And just because you can't find a coven, there are many learning exchanges and universities and organizations out there that certainly have those classes available to you with very fine instructors.
Evelyn, it's not like you can open the yellow pages under covens, you know, and just find them.
Just as a matter of curiosity.
So they can be located.
You've just got to know where to look.
All right.
That young fellow was 16 years of age.
Again, referring back to the craft and to many, many stories of poltergeists and unusual activity, things flying through the air, weird stuff going on.
It seems like young people, particularly young women, teenage girls, seem to have an aura of power about them.
I think I wanted to make more of an observation than a question.
I am Wiccan Christian, and I have young children, and I am in the process of teaching them discipline of thinking, oh, gosh, I guess what I want to say is to discipline them to not think negatively.
I think it needs to be expressed that, especially for teenagers, that this is not a game.
You must be careful with what you're working with.
This is very real energy.
And without even intending to, you can send a negative energy to someone without meaning to.
It has been done for a long time, and it is on the increase today.
And she's very correct.
That's what I talked about when I said my training.
That is the discipline that is required.
And yes, you can start the child in infancy, three, four years old, as I began.
And therefore, the discipline becomes inherited and ingrained.
And the more power and knowledge that they achieve, the more balance they have because of the structure and the foundation that they have been given.
And any person that's an adult that goes out to seek this quest has to make sure that the tutor or the master or the guru that they definitely are going to be involved with is in balance.
And the best way to find that out is to test them.
Watch them in front of others that are possibly within the society or the group and see how they treat them, how they react, what they will do against them, what they will do for them, what knowledge they will expose, what will they extract.
I would have to say when I was in Jamaica, yes, I met a person that certainly would have to be a person who has crossed over and given themselves to evil.
I'm 20 years old, and I've always been interested in this subject.
I've kind of been thirsty for knowledge of it from a very early age, and all I've had to go by was the media, such as, you know, film and stuff, which you've referred to a lot tonight.
But I was able to get a hold of a book called The Power of the Witch by Laurie Cabot.
And it was an incredibly resourceful book.
And in it, she talks about a state called alpha, in which you can tap into your psychic powers and talk with goddesses and stuff.
And she tells you in the book to close your eyes and open your mind's eye, which you're supposed to picture in the center of your forehead.
And it says it takes practice, and I tried it, and it seemed to, my eyes wanted to open, and she said that would happen because you are trained to only see with your eyes open.
You cannot, you are telling yourself that you can't see with your eyes closed because, you know, we're brought up to believe that you can only see what's in front of you.
And it actually happened, and you supposedly can travel out of your body and see things.
The only thing I'm going to say is that Hayden having difficulty with his eyes being closed and wanting to be open, what you can do is There is a technique that when you drop yourself, see you have four brain wave levels, beta, alpha, theta, delta.
Alpha is your creativity and inspiration.
And what you are attempting to achieve is that level.
A deep meditation will bring you to that level.
And once you are there, your inner eye, your second eye, will definitely open.
Now that has nothing to do with astro projection.
Astro projection is another technique.
And you can travel astrally, spiritually, you can also mentally travel.
And that is an entirely different technique.
But once you achieve the levels of meditation, yes, those doors will open for you and you can do quite a bit.
Something many have asked when we touch on this topic, Doctor, is that when you're out of your body or your soul is out of your body, you are subject or more subject to possible outside influences.
In other words, you open yourself to other dimensions, other beings, and that's why you need to put usually a shield of protection or ask a spirit guide to come in and assist you.
But when he said Wiccan, which is the craft of the wise, because I am a practitioner of natural magic, I would indeed have to say that I am Wiccan.
unidentified
I see.
My other question is, how do you feel about the new pagan movement and all the different sorts of groups and practices that are defining themselves as nature?
As long as people's soul is on an evolutionary positive cycle of growth, getting back to nature and the elements is positive.
And I don't care if it's Dianic or Gardnerian or Saxon or Hecate.
I don't care what it is.
As long as you get back to nature and the elements, and as long as you have spiritual growth and balance within your soul, then you're fine.
There are many paths that lead to God.
You know, some go around the mountain, some go through the mountain, some go over a mountain, and there are those who know there's no mountain there at all.
unidentified
Yes, I agree.
Again, I'd like to say I'm pleased to hear this subject being discussed.
All my life, I wanted a crystal ball, not a glass ball, a crystal ball.
And there's a funny little story that goes with this.
A very good friend of mine who knows a lot about radios and nothing at all about crystal balls, named Bob Crane, one of my sponsors and also a very good friend, went to the Orient.
And I said, if you find a crystal ball, I'd sure love one.
So he went over there.
He was in Singapore, a very small town in Singapore.
And he walked into this shop.
And Bob is not real good with currency conversion matters.
He found a crystal ball, a real crystal ball, pure crystal, utterly clear, and inquired of its price.
And they uttered something or another in the currency of Singapore.
And Bob said, I'll take it.
And well, the entire family of the person in the store came out and began clapping him on the back.
And they were having a feast and joyously celebrating the fact that he was going to take this crystal ball.
Well, Bob didn't have the heart not to buy it when he found out it was many, many hundreds of American dollars that he was about to pay out.
Bottom line is, he couldn't disappoint them.
All these shiny, little happy faces were running out.
And the bottom line is, I ended up with a crystal, a real true crystal ball.
What is it about crystal?
What properties does crystal have that make it unusual?
It is like a conductor and it is, again, the vibratory rate.
It is a window.
It is a doorway.
And so when you mentally focus and concentrate, it opens up that third eye and it will actually produce scenes or images within that crystal ball to answer thoughts or questions that you have in your mind or that others would give to you.
You can certainly answer his question, but there are, doctor, many people, it seems to me, who are diagnosed with some sort of mental malady because they have some sort of special insight or hear or see things that others do not.
Not all of them are paranoid schizophrenics, are they?
And like I said, more and more they are rising to the surface, these latent psychic abilities and these intuitions and these visions and precognition also in dreams.
So as far as him getting a handle on it, what he has to realize is that it is real and that it is happening and that he can learn to control it and to manifest it at will and then to utilize it.
East of the Rockies, you're on the air with Dr. Evelyn Paglini.
Hello.
unidentified
Hi, I'm here as a Sarpelle.
Yes.
Hi, I haven't shared this with many people because the only way I can share it is for people to say, well, prove it.
And my only way to prove it is by doing something terrible.
I was given a gift at a young age that I did not believe that I could possibly do until I did it.
I had the ability, it's going to sound very hard to believe, but it's true.
I could have people back it up.
My, I don't know if you want to call them, third-hand victims.
I can tell them something is going to happen to them.
And in malice, it would happen.
I've had, you know, one incident I can recall, which was in high school.
I was being bothered by a bully.
And I told him, I said, your rest of your week is going to be just as much hell as just my yesterday was.
I said, your whole rest of your week is going to be more hell than anything was.
I just said that as a dare, as a threat.
He was walking home that day for no reason at all.
He was jumped.
He was attacked.
He was picked down for the rest of the week.
He was ridiculed by fellow students, classmates.
All these bad things started happening to him.
He started bad luck, not just to him, but to his family.
I got called into the principal's office, and I did not even know what was going on.
And I found out about it.
I said, I did not set this guy up.
I said, I just said it as a threat.
Nobody expected this out of me.
I've done some other things where, like just recently, for some reason, some aura told me to walk up to this pregnant woman.
I walked up to her.
I looked at her, and I said, I want you to raise your hands in the air.
I guess I get this from my mother because she dealt with witchcraft.
And I looked at her, and I said, now put your hands down.
I said, you're going to have a girl.
And I said, you're going to name her Cheyenne Marie.
And she just looked at me, and she started wanting to scream.
She had tears in her eyes.
And she said, that is exactly, I never met this woman before in my life.
She said, that is exactly the name that we picked up for our child.
And we just found out what the sex of the child was.
There are some several other things that I've done out of malice, not to go into detail.
But because I didn't know what I was doing as far as getting into seances and doing things like this, and I'm repeating what I've seen my other relatives do, it has come back to me in a terrible way.
That's exactly what we've been talking about all night.
If you do it out of malice, without justification, it comes back to you times 10.
In what way did it come back to you?
unidentified
Well, I am so far in debt now that I never get myself out.
I'm sick left and right.
I've never got, usually I would be lucky if, I mean not lucky, you know, I would only get a slight cold maybe once a year.
Now I'm catching colds, I'm catching flus, I, you know, I can't control sometimes bodily functions and what have you.
It comes back to me like I remember one time I was on the football team in high school, and there's a guy who ran faster than me, and I had wished something against him.
Now, for some reason, I have some sort of skin inflammation, and the doctors can't explain it.
I even thought for possibility, some way, if it was Agent Orange, which I had contracted for my father, who served in Vietnam.
Well, first of all, what he needs to do is a cleansing, and then after doing that cleansing, he has to do an appeasement so that he can step out of that which he had perpetrated in guilt and restore it back in likeness or in kindness or in goodness.
And he would have to make that vow to do so.
And then just as they have appeared, they would begin to be dissolved and destroyed.
Well, first of all, the cat seems to be reacting to the loss of a loved one and therefore is naturally, like any other child, would be clinging to its mother or its authority figure.
Okay, and so I was kind of wondering about the symbols, you know, like the thunderstorm, the direction symbols, annual symbols, you know, like the circle and then the dot in the middle, stuff like that.
Yes, like that gentleman that saw a round ball type of energy force, I had an experience in my kitchen about three in the morning one day and I was very much awake,
but I felt this energy, I didn't see it, but I felt it and I felt its size and I was just standing there and it was like about three feet away from me and then all of a sudden it came into me, kind of like exploded, you know, but it wasn't, you know, it wasn't a bad feeling or anything.
It was just, in fact, it was like a euphoric type of feeling like you would experience when you were with your husband or your boyfriend or you know what I'm saying.
Well, if it was non-threatening, and she was saying that it was more euphoric and something more that when you were around someone that you love, she may have had a person that has crossed over, that is a relative, that loves her very much,
and wanted to comfort her and to guide her and to protect her and to make her aware that the quest or the door that she was about to open, that she or he would also be with them.
Dr. Paglini, we have a big event that's being referred to that's supposed to happen July 20th and you know with the pyramids lining up you know on Mars and so forth and then a sacred ceremony that's supposed to take place I think in the pyramid itself and I was just wondering if you have any insight into that or what is your sense of what's going to happen here in the next week are there sacred days and
times we have just begun to open the door to so many wonderful things that are going to be discovered so many insights of ancient wisdom that are going to be displayed before us some will shock us some will shock us into reality and yes There is going to be many days that are in the months to come,
including the 20th of this month, that are going to hurl us into the future.
And final warning, I guess, those of you who are disturbed by this should tune it out.
Easy to do.
It's the knob right there.
So don't torture yourself.
You know, go do something else.
Updating you on the Mirror situation.
Are at the embattled Mir Space Station suffered another blow Thursday when the crew was making routine preparations to repair the Mirror's already damaged power systems.
They apparently accidentally disconnected a cable supplying power to the orientation system, which directs the solar panels to the sun.
The error led to virtually a complete power cut in all systems.
Must have scared the hell out of them.
I'm getting late word that they have reconnected the power.
It's back on, and in due course, the station will again stabilize and begin to track the sun.
About two years ago, July 3rd to be exact, I woke up with a lot of stains on my hands, and it looked like I was holding tight to something, both hands.
And I didn't tell anyone about it.
It took three days to scrub them off.
And then exactly 10 days later, I woke up with the same stains on my hands.
This time, I took a Polaroid picture and went to a friend and showed her the stains.
And she said, Jean, you have them on your feet also.
And it looks like they're little drawings on your feet.
I have tried to incorporate this in my life and moved to the present place where I live now.
Last September, woke up again, brown stains on my feet.
And I wanted to know if you have any insight into this.
I know I don't know what you're going to think about this.
I don't really if you've had anybody that tells you about these things, but ever since then, it's like it's an overpowering and overwhelming feeling that the man is here.
He's always here.
He's always around.
And it won't leave.
I can't be alone in one place.
I can't sleep alone in the place.
I can't do anything alone in one place because he hasn't yet to be there.
Again, depending on what you're feeling when that presence is around you, if it is a feeling of being very drained and very tired, then what he is doing is he is pulling your energy.
And if you are being uplifted, revitalized, and rejuvenated, then he would be there to help you and assist you and to guide you.
But the way you were talking and the energy that you were giving me, it sounded like he was asking you to join him.
And thanks so much for playing that particular bumper tune.
It's my favorite.
Doctor, I've got a question for you.
I don't want to seem smart, elecky, or impertinent, but I've heard so many, what I would term a witch, so many witches say that they are also Christians.
Ma'am, I don't understand how y'all can do that and why you would want to pay lip service and give that good advertising to that religion because its Old Testament, first of all, says, and I quote, suffer a kind of witch to live.
And I realize the Christians are injuncted from actually doing that unless they're sinless now.
But still in all, that says that what you do is terribly evil, and I wouldn't associate myself with anything that said I was terribly evil.
Again, because I have realized that there are many religions out there.
each religion is trying to achieve the same thing as i am and right is the communion with the dad force or the goddess whichever you want to call it and can i interrupt at this point and say that having said that all roads lead to rome so to speak why not pick another one that doesn't say you're evil and give them the good
There have been many religions that came along.
Sir, there have been many religions that have come long before Christianity.
I have been in that situation, a doctor, where I walk into a room and there is somebody there, and before they even open their mouth, I know that I want to be clear and out and away from them and nothing to do with them.
A couple of months ago, I was sleeping with one of my cats, and we both woke up at the same time, knowing to turn towards the window, because something was staring at us.
And when I turned, I wasn't afraid, but it was kind of like in a black and white outfit, the whole body with big eyes and kind of crouching down, looking at us.
And yet I didn't feel afraid.
But yet the only thing I wanted to look for was, did this thing have horns?
Well, first of all, it was your inner sense that was actually communicating with it and trying to see, is it something of evil or negativity or is it something that is benevolent or is it something that is just trying to make contact?
If you did not see horns, then what you had was, especially if it was humanoid, then you had a discarnate entity that was trying to make contact with you.
If you're not humanoid, then we'll go into something else.
unidentified
That's the question right there, because the whole body, I'll say that maybe it was maybe about five feet tall, strong build, and what it was, the colors were black and white, and they were all in hearts, but in a perfect pattern.
And yet these wonderful big eyes, and it was so curiously staring at me.
And one thing I've been very, very puzzled over is I have been for many years thinking very seriously about doing past life recorrection.
Basically, due to my family, they sometimes tell me that once in a while when I am talking in my sleep, that I'm speaking in an entirely different language.
Very definitely, you could get a hypnotist that is into regression therapy.
He would first take you back into your childhood to find out if you had been exposed to that language, and then he would regress you into another incarnation to find out just exactly where it came from.
There may also be some kind of maladies that you are experiencing or fears or phobias that you are experiencing in this lifetime that can be attributed to a past incarnation.
I do therapeutic hypnosis, so I know of which I speak.
I have talked to many who have done the same thing, and they do claim that they can gather evidence under hypnosis, specific evidence, and then go and confirm and check it out, and it checks out.
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You may.
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And I do mean if you want to get the edge on your future and know what's happening, get the book The Quickening.